Re: OT: Suffering for your art

2002-02-05 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Bob Walkden wrote:

 Perhaps he means that travelling in air-conditioned comfort (or,
 discomfort as you suggest) is hardly the way my great hero Capt.
 Sir Richard Francis Burton would have done it...:o).

Correct.  You are a great disappointment to us 8-) To make
up for this I will send you a hair shirt to wear for the
duration of your stay - and no washing it!

 In Sunderland where Mike comes from men are men and sheep are worried.
 Even in the depths of the coldest winter the most they wear is jeans and
 a black t-shirt.

...and the girls wear less.  Once you've been around town on a
February evening, with the sleet whipping in from the North Sea
and you've seen the sweet young things tripping gaily from pub
to bar to club clad in strappy sandals, a miniskirt and a boob
tube you lose all desire to live in the great metropolis.  There
has to be some reason to live here...

mike
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Re: Brief overview of the Spotmatic lenses

2002-02-05 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

I assumed it was a typo - d  e are close on the k'board.  Just
struck me as aposite, with the photography connection.  Not
being picky...

mike

Steve Larson wrote:
 
 That`s an interesting bit of trivia. Too bad I didn`t get it right.
 Steve Larson
 Redondo Beach, California
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 From: Paris, Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:51 AM
 Subject: RE: Brief overview of the Spotmatic lenses
 
  I wondered if anyone, besides me, would notice that.
  No holds barred used to be a wrestling term.
 
  Len
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  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:23 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Brief overview of the Spotmatic lenses
 
 
  Hi,
 
  Steve Larson wrote:
 
   some no holes barred equipment.
 
  Especially pinholes.
 
 
  mike
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RE: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Alan Abbott

I have used and liked Delta 3200.I was supprised at how GOOD the grain was
(rated at 3200)
I used it for evening shots (after dusk) outside.
Alan

 Hi!
 
 My friend asked me to make some photos of his band and I need 
 your help with
 it. I own him a favor so I couldn't refuse even though I was 
 tempted doing
 so. Making photos for pure fun is something totaly different 
 for me than
 making them for somebody. I warned him that I'm an ameteur 
 but he said that
 he and his fellows liked my photos that I have on my website 
 and like to
 give me a try. They want indoor shots of the band and 
 portrait like shots of
 each member (lucky for me only four of them). In addition 
 they want some of
 their equipment photographed as well. It all would have to be 
 done in a
 place where they practice - some technical rooms in the dorms 
 - I think
 without windows (it would be in the evening anyway). What I 
 have is AF-201SA
 flash (don't know if even bother to take it) and two 500 watt halogen,
 garden lamps. They want the pictures in BW (no way to do 
 something else
 with this lighting anyway). As I've been experimenting with 
 it a bit with
 this lamps (bought them very recently) it seem that for 
 reasonable short
 time something like ISO 1600 or even 3200 would be necessary.
 And now for the question - which film would you suggest to 
 use? Maybe to
 different ones for people and gear shooting? I've heard good 
 opinions about
 Fuji Neopan 1600, but maybe something else would be a better 
 choice? Maybe
 some other film push processed? I normally use Ilford XP2 
 (ISO 400) and
 process everything in the lab - the BW films would be 
 processed in a pro
 lab as well. I might give a try something with a big grain 
 but not for all
 the shots.
 Help!
 Any other tips would also be welcomed.
 
 Thanks
 
 Maciej Marchlewski
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Re: It's February, It Must Be A Cotty's Pentax Mods Site Update...

2002-02-05 Thread Camdir

In a message dated 04/02/02 19:11:17 GMT Standard Time, Steve writes:

 PS - I'm starting to get excited: my new toy has completed stage one of 
 it's journey to me 

Pray, do tell 
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Re: AP reports on UK photo show - Pentax content, plus Contax digital...

2002-02-05 Thread Camdir

In a message dated 04/02/02 23:48:42 GMT Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Nicholas Camera Company, 15 High St, London (0207 916 7251) are 
 advertising a lot headed simply: 'Property of a Gentleman' (!) and then 
 lists a load of expensive stuff like a Nikon S3 2000 model, plus some 
 Nikon junk, er lenses, but interestingly:
 
 '2000 Pentax Mirror - adapted to suit any SLR'
 
 I take it that this means he *can* adapt it? Or have they machined a 
 Tamron Adaptall mount on it? 2000mm!! Sheesh. I'd be able to see most of 
 you from here, looking through that :-) 

Is that old rascal still in business? I could tell you a few stories.:)

Kind regards

Peter
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Spotmatic Pentiprism Wanted

2002-02-05 Thread Steve Larson

Hi All,
  Anyone have a Spotmatic pentiprism lying around that you would
like to get rid of?
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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RE: It's February, It Must Be A Cotty's Pentax Mods Site Update...

2002-02-05 Thread Cotty

Oh hell! Do we have a digital Cotty?

Malcolm  


Cotty wrote:
PS - I'm starting to get excited: my new toy has completed stage one of 
it's journey to me

Nope. But it could go on a digital body.

It's BIG.

;-)

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RE: General - Manual downloads

2002-02-05 Thread Paris, Leonard

I guess that you missed the Pentax manuals URL last week.
Lots of us own other cameras as well as Pentax and pointers
to old manuals, even digital cameras, are valuable resources.

Len
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: General - Manual downloads


But where's Pentax? or am I missing something?
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Re: Classic Low Speed Film is Back

2002-02-05 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Monday, February 04, 2002, 6:33:40 PM, jmadams wrote:
j For anyone who wants to order direct from Germany, this is the price list.
j http://fotoimpex.de/Home/films/films.html  Unfortunately it in Eurocrap and
j not Marks so have no idea of the actual cost.
j James

Eurocrap ;-) ? And this comes from one of our Canandian friends -
how's your CrapDollar(tm) today ;-) ?

Back on topic - I am quite interested in DoubleX (Kodak XX) - any info
on it? It seems it is still available new from movie sources, and few
prints I have seen, were, hm, EXQUISITE in tonality. Any info please?

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Hi,
   I do a lot of concert photography at often impossible venues (wrt
   to light g), as well as available dark photography. I have yet
   to find a liking for the Delta3200/TMZ3200 films (I dislike them so
   far, but perhaps I haven't found yet a perfect devel. combo for
   them. The TMZ I tried in Tmax dev, and it quite sucked grain-wise).

   Having relatively fast lenses (surprisingly, a 1.4/50 is one
   of my most used concert lenses. Being sidestage helps of course), I
   usually push to 1600. I use Ilford HP5+ mostly (a friend uses TX),
   which is 400 film. Developed in Microphen (stock) (oneshot), pushed
   to 1600, it works perfectly. Much better than pushing a T-grain
   film, IMHO (From my humble experience and that of others as well,
   the 400 speed T grain films don't push well at all, requiring too
   much hard grade printing to get any shadow separation).

   The HP5+/TX are IMHO one of the best films ever for pushprocessing,
   I have even pushed HP5+ to 3200 (although that requires a more flat
   lighting than usually on stage for best results, and precise exposure)
   with nice results.

   Of course, if you have slow lenses or need the speed really much,
   perhaps only a Delta 3200 or similar would do the job. Others here
   have much experience with them up to 6400 or 12500 I think.

   Good dark,
Frantisek
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Re: : (3): OT:first attempt at html page

2002-02-05 Thread David Brooks

Thanks Mark.I'll look at it today.

Dave

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From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:53:46 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (2): OT:first attempt at html page


You might want to try out a real HTML code validator to let you know 
when you've
made mistakes and what they are. It can be really frustrating at 
first but it's
well worth a little initial effort. You can download a 30-day trial 
version of
A Real Validator at http://arealvalidator.com/  
It's a good piece of software and it's only $25.00 to register it 
after 30 days.


-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
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RE: AF280T- Downloadable Manuals at Pentax.com

2002-02-05 Thread Paris, Leonard

If you have a CD-ROM burner, or a Zip drive, you could mail all of the files
to one or both of them.  If you have a digital camera that uses compact
flash cards, you could send the whole set on a compact flash card, too.
Lots of options exist for moving large files without the Internet.  700K is
not too large to e-mail, just send one or two a day untill all are sent.

You could send the whole batch on the same weekend night.  I've done 100MB
downloads using a 56K modem.  I just started the download and went to bed.
Sometime the next morning the download was finished.  I began my modem life
using a 300-baud modem.  Things have been getting amazingly fast ever since
then.

Len
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 2:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AF280T- Downloadable Manuals at Pentax.com


As I noted before, I scanned an AF280T manual Saturday and am looking to
hand it off to somebody to host it and put it into a pdf format.  I've got a
couple of volunteers (Christian S. and Fritz W.), but am just now figuring
out how to send 16 jpg's of 700K out on my 56K modem.  :-(

What about some of our other members who are posting manuals?  Would you
want this one too?

Regards,  Bob S.
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Who owns a photo?

2002-02-05 Thread UniqueToo

Wendy's post (model release form) brought a question to mind.  A friend took 
some pictures of his (now ex-) wife for personal use.  When she left she took 
the photos with her and allowed them to be published on-line.  Because he 
feels these photos are personal he isn't happy to see them posted on the web. 
 Although I'm sure it isn't worth legal action, can he advise the site to 
remove the photos with the threat of legal action?  

Julie
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RE: Model release forms

2002-02-05 Thread Paris, Leonard

Kid photos, unless they are your kids, have required model releases from the
parents or guardians for a long time.  Pets kind of fall under the heading
of property in many places. In lots of places, you need to get permision
from owners before you sell, or publish, pictures of their pets or houses.
Public buildings are usually OK but there may be some exceptions.  There are
some national parks where, if you use a tripod, you need to buy a license to
use it to make photos inside the park. The thought being that, if you are
using a tripod, you are a pro and the government wants a share of your
potential income from the photos, up front, before you are allowed to use
the tripod to take them.  It used to be about $20 for the permit.  May cost
more now.  These are the biggest reasons I don't submit my pictures to the
PUG.  They are 95% mug shots (weddings, portraits, stuff like that) and
putting them on the web is publishing. There are tons of people who don't
want to run across their pictures on the web, and I can't afford the ensuing
law suits.  So, better safe, than sorry.

Len
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-Original Message-
From: wendy beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Model release forms


After Bill posted about the inflatable ringflash, I went and had a look 
around the Turek Camera website.
I had to have a nosey at the photo contest, of course. I even read the 
rules of entry. The very last one surprised me -

I quote:
9) For categories including people or pets, a model release is required. 
Where the photo taken is of a minor a parent or guardian's signature is 
required. With pets, the pet's owner's signature is required. Model release 
forms will be available at Turek Camera Shop.

You're all going to tell me that this is perfectly normal, but I swear I've 
never come across anything like this before. Is it a North American Thing 
or is it everywhere?


Wendy
(who also mis-read pet's signature required)
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RE: Model release forms

2002-02-05 Thread Paris, Leonard

Hoping for some moment of fame, I guess.

Len
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-Original Message-
From: Ken Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul Jones
Subject: Re: Model release forms


Sign that contest entry blank and, win or lose, you won't be able to 
use your own picture any more.  I still don't understand why people 
think so little of their work that they are willing to give it away in 
perpetuity and then thank the publications and contest promoters for 
taking them.

On Monday 04 February 2002 10:43 pm, Paul Jones wrote:
 4)Turek Camera Shop reserves the right to publish any entries
 without compensation to the creator of said photo.  All entries
 become the property of Turek Camera Shop.

 regards,
 Paul
-- 
Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas
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RE: Brief overview of the Spotmatic lenses

2002-02-05 Thread Paris, Leonard

Hey, so did I, but it was a very funny typo.  I was more amazed that it
didn't go unnoticed. It also strikes me as odd that your spell checker
wouldn't catch aposite. :)

Len
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Brief overview of the Spotmatic lenses


Hi,

I assumed it was a typo - d  e are close on the k'board.  Just
struck me as aposite, with the photography connection.  Not
being picky...

mike
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RE: Re[2]: Take two MZ-S's and call me when you get back

2002-02-05 Thread Mick Maguire

Sounds to me like the feature the MZ-S was lacking on this trip was a case!

Regards,
/\/\ick... 
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Re: Ringflash

2002-02-05 Thread Aaron Reynolds

 Just received this from the Oly list.  What do you folks think?  At 
 ~$30.00
 CDN I'd like to try one.

DON'T BUY IT.  We had a bunch of those inflatable ring flash adaptors 
that we paid $2 each for at a clearance when one of our suppliers bought 
another and ditched all the junk languishing in their warehouse.  The 
thing is basically useless, has odd highlights and is nearly impossible 
to keep on the camera.  Also, $30 is way way way too much.  I felt bad 
selling them for $5.

-Aaron
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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, February 5, 2002, at 03:25  AM, Alan Abbott wrote:

 I have used and liked Delta 3200.I was supprised at how GOOD the grain 
 was
 (rated at 3200)
 I used it for evening shots (after dusk) outside.

Yep, I love Ilford Delta 3200, done in the right developer.  I've seen 
some comparatively horrid results from it in T-Max developer.  I like it 
a whole lot in Ilford's Microphen and DD-X and also Agfa Studional.  I 
have some recent stuff from the new 75mm on Delta 3200 that I'll be 
processing probably later today...I'll make a scan if I get a chance.  
Of course, it'll be from 67, but I'll blow up a 35mm sized section of 
the neg to show the grain.  I was shooting under household incandescent 
lights, so I rated the film at 1600.  I'll be processing normally.

-Aaron
high speed film junkie
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Re: New Kodak digi-printer

2002-02-05 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, February 5, 2002, at 12:35  AM, Doug Franklin wrote:

 On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:49:02 -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:

 It's expected to sell for under $40,000.00 (U.S.), an new
 and much lower price point for such technology.

 What does a (semi-) wet minilab go for these days?

Last time I checked, a Fuji Frontier started at around $150,000 CDN and 
went to about $250,000 with options.  I don't think that there's 
anything for less than $100,000.  Oh, and that's without a film 
processor, that's just the printer part.

-Aaron
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RE: Spotmatic Pentiprism Wanted

2002-02-05 Thread Mick Maguire

Try this guy:

http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/nikonfl/

he parts out old cameras including spotties.

Regards,
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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Nick Wright

Hi Maciej

I use Ilford's HP5+ pushed to both 1600 and 3200 quite
often. Developed in Kodak T-Max Pro the results are
extremely good. Take a look at the hockey examples I
have on my website:

http://www.wrightfoto.com/proofs/hockey2001/MHS/index.html

Both of those games were shot with this film at
3200iso.

Good luck,
Nick

--- Maciej Marchlewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!
 
 My friend asked me to make some photos of his band
 and I need your help with
 it. I own him a favor so I couldn't refuse even
 though I was tempted doing
 so. Making photos for pure fun is something totaly
 different for me than
 making them for somebody. I warned him that I'm an
 ameteur but he said that
 he and his fellows liked my photos that I have on my
 website and like to
 give me a try. They want indoor shots of the band
 and portrait like shots of
 each member (lucky for me only four of them). In
 addition they want some of
 their equipment photographed as well. It all would
 have to be done in a
 place where they practice - some technical rooms in
 the dorms - I think
 without windows (it would be in the evening anyway).
 What I have is AF-201SA
 flash (don't know if even bother to take it) and two
 500 watt halogen,
 garden lamps. They want the pictures in BW (no way
 to do something else
 with this lighting anyway). As I've been
 experimenting with it a bit with
 this lamps (bought them very recently) it seem that
 for reasonable short
 time something like ISO 1600 or even 3200 would be
 necessary.
 And now for the question - which film would you
 suggest to use? Maybe to
 different ones for people and gear shooting? I've
 heard good opinions about
 Fuji Neopan 1600, but maybe something else would be
 a better choice? Maybe
 some other film push processed? I normally use
 Ilford XP2 (ISO 400) and
 process everything in the lab - the BW films would
 be processed in a pro
 lab as well. I might give a try something with a big
 grain but not for all
 the shots.
 Help!
 Any other tips would also be welcomed.
 
 Thanks
 
 Maciej Marchlewski
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Re: Who owns a photo?

2002-02-05 Thread UniqueToo

Thanks for the replies. 

 these photos were taken while they were married, they may be joint 
 owners.
 (They would be in my state.)

 I expect this is correct since we are in a joint property state.  

And, like I said, it's different in various jurisdictions anyway.  
Unfortunately,
if he wants a definitive opinion, he'll likely have to contact a local lawyer.


I doubt he is willing to go to the expense of hiring a lawer since he's paid 
them plenty so far for the divorce.  But who knows, there are still many 
bitter feelings there.

Julie
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Re: (2): OT:first attempt at html page

2002-02-05 Thread Debra Wilborn

--- David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Deb.I did not notice those things.I dont 
 have a book yet,just going by the tutorial and 
 things the other members have talked about 
 recently.I realy need to figure out how to load 
 up thumbnails and such.
 One query,how did you get at the code.??
 
 Dave

It's a deep, dark secret known only to the elite, i.e.
computer science students.

In Netscape, click View then Page Source.  In
Explorer, click View then Source.  This will show the
html code for whatever page you're looking at.  Try it
now.  

Alternatively, you can open your webpage that you have
saved on your computer in Notepad.  Start Notepad,
then browse to the page you have.  In the Open screen,
make sure you have All File s selected from the File
Type field.  

I prefer to use Notepad when writing or viewing HTML
code.  For one thing, you can change the code all you
want, something the View option on the browser doesn't
do.  You can create pages with page builders like
Frontpage or Netscape Composer.  The thing I don't
like about that, and this is especially true of
Frontpage, is that you wind up with a lot of extra
stuff in your code.  Composer is more simplistic, but
it's free and good for basic pages.  The benefit of
hand-coding is that you get exactly what you want.

In a way, it's kind of like the difference between a
point-and-shoot and a K1000.

Have fun,
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Re: : (4): OT:first attempt at html page

2002-02-05 Thread David Brooks

Thanks Shel.Book marked

Dave

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Of course, the URL might help g

http://validator.w3.org/

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 Hi David ...
 
 Here's a free source for checking a few pages.  
 You can also get a regular tune-up, also at no cost.

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Re: EBay bizarre WTB posting

2002-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

That's what I thought, but I checked his feedback, and it looks like he has had
some success buying and selling on eBay.  His feedback looked very good, but then
I'd give great praise to anyone who gave me 1,000 Pounds (or dollars, or even
Euros) for one of my 50mm lenses!

Mike Johnston wrote:

 There's a phrase for that kind of fellow...Not on the right page. Let's
 hope he figures out how eBay works one day...g

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Re: (2): OT:first attempt at html page

2002-02-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff

And here's a great shareware program for writing and editing HTML:

http://www.studioware.com/

Debra Wilborn wrote:

 I prefer to use Notepad when writing or viewing HTML
 code.  For one thing, you can change the code all you
 want, something the View option on the browser doesn't
 do.  You can create pages with page builders like
 Frontpage or Netscape Composer.  The thing I don't
 like about that, and this is especially true of
 Frontpage, is that you wind up with a lot of extra
 stuff in your code.  Composer is more simplistic, but
 it's free and good for basic pages.  The benefit of
 hand-coding is that you get exactly what you want.
 
 In a way, it's kind of like the difference between a
 point-and-shoot and a K1000.
 
 Have fun,
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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, February 5, 2002, at 10:11  AM, Alan Abbott wrote:

 I had mine processed by Ilford with one of those envelopes (given away 
 free)
 Does anyone know what Ilford would of used as developer?
 A secret brew or one that they sell!

If they are running a dip  dunk line, they're most likely using Ilfotec 
DD-X, which was developed (if I'm remembering right) for dip  dunk.

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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Well, IMO, these are terrible.  In many photos there's no detail in the
black parts of the uniform and on the helmets, the ice and highlights
are burnt out, and faces have lost detail and contrast.  The results are
typical of push-processed film.  My feeling is that one would be better
advised to use a faster film to start with, or at least not push a 400
speed film so far.

Nick Wright wrote:

 I use Ilford's HP5+ pushed to both 1600 and 3200 quite
 often. Developed in Kodak T-Max Pro the results are
 extremely good. Take a look at the hockey examples I
 have on my website:
 
 http://www.wrightfoto.com/proofs/hockey2001/MHS/index.html
 
 Both of those games were shot with this film at
 3200iso.


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Re: Who owns a photo?

2002-02-05 Thread Bob Blakely

Whining over photos left over from a divorce is not very becoming of a man. To me, it
shows... bitterness, or possibly vindictiveness, and is probably accompanied by all the
usual rationalization folks put forth in their attempts to claim it's all about
righteousness.

Yeah, I'm always opinionated.

Regards,
Bob...

Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity,
and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us
from the former, for the sake of the latter.
The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls
for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude,
and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we
suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty,
we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.'
It is a very serious consideration that millions yet
unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event.
- Samuel Adams, 1771

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Thanks for the replies.

  these photos were taken while they were married, they may be joint
  owners.
  (They would be in my state.)

  I expect this is correct since we are in a joint property state.

 And, like I said, it's different in various jurisdictions anyway.
 Unfortunately,
 if he wants a definitive opinion, he'll likely have to contact a local lawyer.
 

 I doubt he is willing to go to the expense of hiring a lawer since he's paid
 them plenty so far for the divorce.  But who knows, there are still many
 bitter feelings there.
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Re: Re: (2a): OT:first attempt at html page

2002-02-05 Thread David Brooks

Thanks Deb.Another list member clued me in
earlier to day.You people are sneaky.g
I also used Notepad to start the page.I'm just
debating if i'll go frontpage etc or not.

I won't tell my K1000 what you compared him to.
Its sensative and may run a way. lol.

Dave

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From: Debra Wilborn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (2): OT:first attempt at html page


 One query,how did you get at the code.??
 
 Dave

It's a deep, dark secret known only to the elite, i.e.
computer science students.

In Netscape, click View then Page Source.  In
Explorer, click View then Source.  This will show the
html code for whatever page you're looking at.  Try it
now.  



In a way, it's kind of like the difference between a
point-and-shoot and a K1000.

Have fun,
Deb



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re: Pentax Spotmatic F production figures??

2002-02-05 Thread Bmacrae

Hey guys,

I've enjoyed a lot of the recent threads about Spotties on the list. Some good info 
and commentary on the lenses.

This got me thinking: Does any one know approx. how many of the Spotmatic F's were 
produced? Also, of these, how many were black body versions?

I have seen lots of black spots but few black spot f's. 

Perhaps it's because folks covet them so much that they're rarely up for sale?

Regards,
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RE: Who owns a photo?

2002-02-05 Thread Paris, Leonard

You forgot mean spiritedness.  National People's Radio should keep that
right on the tip of your tongue, for instant use.

Len
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From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Who owns a photo?


Whining over photos left over from a divorce is not very becoming of a man.
To me, it
shows... bitterness, or possibly vindictiveness, and is probably accompanied
by all the
usual rationalization folks put forth in their attempts to claim it's all
about
righteousness.

Yeah, I'm always opinionated.

Regards,
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Where can I get a BIG lenscap?

2002-02-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Steve, 

http://www.2filter.com sells Schneider press-on caps as large as 132mm, including 100, 
105, 110, 112, 115, 120, and 125. for $18.70.

Steve Mundie wrote: 

I purchased an old S-M-C Takumar 500/4.5 from a local shop which shut down  
but it needs a front lens cap. The front element is rather large and I'd just like to 
protect it a bit... Can anyone suggest where I might get something to protect the 
front element? 

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Re: Classic Low Speed Film is Back

2002-02-05 Thread jmadams

Hi Frantisek and Stefan
Meant no offence, I'm not Canadian(yet), I am from the UK and have only been
in Canada 2 1/2 years.  I dislike the whole concept of the EEC and hence the
Euro. But it was wrong of me to abuse the privilege of being a PDML member.
It is something to discuss elsewhere or at least off list. My apologies to
all.
James


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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: Classic Low Speed Film is Back


 Monday, February 04, 2002, 6:33:40 PM, jmadams wrote:
 j For anyone who wants to order direct from Germany, this is the price
list.
 j http://fotoimpex.de/Home/films/films.html  Unfortunately it in Eurocrap
and
 j not Marks so have no idea of the actual cost.
 j James

 Eurocrap ;-) ? And this comes from one of our Canandian friends -
 how's your CrapDollar(tm) today ;-) ?

 Back on topic - I am quite interested in DoubleX (Kodak XX) - any info
 on it? It seems it is still available new from movie sources, and few
 prints I have seen, were, hm, EXQUISITE in tonality. Any info please?

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Magnifier for Super Program?

2002-02-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm thinking about buying a magnifier for my Super Programs. The model designed for 
it, the Magnifier M, is not available new or, near as I can tell, used in the States. 
I do have a couple sources for used Magnifier M's in Europe. 

But according to Boz's site, the Magnifier F can be used on the Super A and other 
1980s M and A models. The F is readily available new, at a modest price. 

Would using the M offer me any advantages on a Super Program? 

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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, February 5, 2002, at 01:02  PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Well, IMO, these are terrible.  In many photos there's no detail in the
 black parts of the uniform and on the helmets, the ice and highlights
 are burnt out, and faces have lost detail and contrast.  The results are
 typical of push-processed film.

I don't think we can really judge the prints from these scans.

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Re: No Pentax digital SLR at PMA

2002-02-05 Thread Brian Walsh

Regarding the compatibility of older wide-angle lenses with full-frame 
CCDs, this on the red herring of CCD illumination from optical supplier 
Sunix, Inc. at http://www.optics-online.com/literature/CCDlens.htm :
The light collection ability of all lenses falls off with increasing field 
of view. Relative illumination of a lens is defined as the ratio of light 
intensity at the maximum angle of view to that on-axis. For electronic 
imager sensors (CCD and CMOS),  the off-axis brightness is further reduced 
by the collection efficiency of imager pixel structure. Many modern imagers 
use a micro-lens over each pixel to increase the fill-factor.  The 
micro-lens will limit the field of view of the pixel.  To be maximally 
compatible with the micro-lens field of view,  the rays emerging from the 
lens must be within the acceptance angle of the micro-lens for all off-axis 
rays. This typically require that the primary lens be telecentric in 
imaging spacing. Non-telecentric lenses can also cause color and resolution 
cross-talk between adjacent pixels.  This will further impair the off-axis 
performance of the imaging system.

Even if sufficient light reaches all of the CCD, the various wavelengths of 
that light must, of course, be carefully focused. In his survey of Nikon 
lenses, nature photographer Bjorn Rørslett commented: The presence of 
colour fringing is in fact typical for most modern designs, since 
elimination of chromatic aberrations evidently is given fairly low 
priority. Hopefully, the coming digital era will alter the priorities here 
since digital cameras do need better chromatic correction than contemporary 
models.

So, if the CCD must receive the various wave lengths of light  focused as 
tightly as possible (something that may have been less of a priority in the 
decades before digital imaging--read Pentax SMC, M, A, F, FA--than it will 
become as we are dragged, even if kicking and screaming, into the digital 
era), we should ask: How close to apochromatic are various Pentax 
wide-angle lenses? If Pentax invested more effort than other manufacturers 
in correction of chromatic aberrations, the possibility of a full-frame 
sensor might be higher than if Pentax gave only average, or below average, 
priority to that aspect of lens design.

Now, what if it isn't just that a given lens must work well with a CCD, but 
with a _particular_ CCD?  Mr. Rørslett reports that a wide angle lens can 
perform differently even with CCDs of the same size: The 14mm ultra-wide 
angle lens Nikon designed to give real wide angle performance to a digital 
camera which includes an effective focal length multiplier (the 2.66 
megapixel D1) produces increased color fringing with another CCD of the 
same 15.6 x 23.7mm size (in the 5.47 megapixel D1X). Oops.

The Contax full-frame digital SLR works only with a new series of lenses 
which were designed specifically for the new range of (autofocus) cameras, 
which included the planned digital model from inception. The counting 
teeth scenario isn't relevant here: The  question is whether existing 
Pentax wide-angle lenses will work with a full-frame CCD, not if lenses of 
a new design will work with a new Contax model. Perhaps the use of older 
wide angle lenses on a future full-frame sensor Nikon model will give us a 
hint, even if Pentax won't open up and say Aaaah. 
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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi Aaron,

Unless the scans are way off, I think we can get a pretty good idea of
what the final results might be like.  Your comment is interesting in
light of the recent discussion about the size and quality of PUG images,
in which numerous people (including you, I believe) suggested that the
PUG images and scans viewed on a computer screen give a reasonable
enough representation of the final image.

So, unless the quality of these scans is abysmal - which they could be -
I'd have to stand by my original comment.

And, the quality of the photos or the scanned images notwithstanding,
don't you feel that the quality of any photograph might suffer when the
film is pushed 3 stops, especially when compared to using a faster film
at or near its rated ISO?  I'll grant you that some film/developer
combinations may result in better quality than others, but overall, the
faster film is often the better alternative.

BTW, is T-Max Pro a different developer than T-Max?  Maybe T-Max is not
the best developer for this film.

Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 
 On Tuesday, February 5, 2002, at 01:02  PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 I don't think we can really judge the prints from these scans.

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Re: Classic Low Speed Film is Back

2002-02-05 Thread jmadams

I could only find Kodak Super XX in my search on Google, and an interest URL
is http://www.michaelandpaula.com/tech.html#Topofpage According to them, it
was discontinued in 1994, and they claim to have bought out the last of
Kodaks stock(Sheet film).

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Subject: Re: Classic Low Speed Film is Back


 Where have you seen XX?  It could be of some interest here.

 Frantisek Vlcek wrote:

  Back on topic - I am quite interested in DoubleX (Kodak XX) - any info
  on it? It seems it is still available new from movie sources, and few
  prints I have seen, were, hm, EXQUISITE in tonality. Any info please?

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Re: EBay bizarre WTB posting

2002-02-05 Thread William Kane

I think you're reading the ad wrong.  I believe if you bid on it, you're
bidding to PAY HIM to let him know where to find one of these lenses.  A
very exspensive favor!

Bill

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 
 That's what I thought, but I checked his feedback, and it looks like he has had
 some success buying and selling on eBay.  His feedback looked very good, but then
 I'd give great praise to anyone who gave me 1,000 Pounds (or dollars, or even
 Euros) for one of my 50mm lenses!
 
 Mike Johnston wrote:
 
  There's a phrase for that kind of fellow...Not on the right page. Let's
  hope he figures out how eBay works one day...g
 
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Re: OT: Suffering for your art

2002-02-05 Thread Carlos Royo

dave o'brien wrote:
 Well, if you're riding in air-conditioned comfort on a train in India,
 you're not riding with the locals, and you're jet-setting around the
 country.  You want to be up on the roof with the ordinary folks.
 

Not exactly. The sleep cars are usually air conditioned in India, and
you travel with the locals, although not on the roof of the train. But
you wish the cars were not air conditioned. In India, both in trains and
buses, air conditioners have only two positions: on and off. On means
that you'll travel like if you were into a deep freezer. If then, as it
happened to me the last time I went to India, you have got a temperature
and you are ill, and you travel at night in one of those trains, the
typical Indian air conditioner is a nightmare. The only visible part of
my body were my eyes, to the amusement of the locals who were travelling
in the same car.

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Re: Pentax Spotmatic F production figures??

2002-02-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff

I just looked it up in Gerjan's book - the number he gives is 603,885,
but the figure isn't broken down between chrome and black.

BTW, I've got a black one and I once thought about selling it ... but
it's still here g.  It's nicely brassed, and mechanically perfect, and
it sure gives a lot of pleasure those times that I use it, especially
with the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar lenses. It's later edition from what
I understand is the earlier batch, with a SN over 4,910,000.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Does any one know approx. how many of the 
 Spotmatic F's were produced? Also, of these, 
 how many were black body versions?
 
 I have seen lots of black spots but few black spot f's.
 
 Perhaps it's because folks covet them so much that 
 they're rarely up for sale?

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Re: Magnifier for Super Program?

2002-02-05 Thread Alan Chan

I'm thinking about buying a magnifier for my Super Programs. The model 
designed for it, the Magnifier M, is not available new or, near as I can 
tell, used in the States. I do have a couple sources for used Magnifier M's 
in Europe.

But according to Boz's site, the Magnifier F can be used on the Super A and 
other 1980s M and A models. The F is readily available new, at a modest 
price.

Would using the M offer me any advantages on a Super Program?

Don't know about the M, but I have the F which works perfectly with any 
Pentax bodies from M to current series. K series bodies use different size 
magnifier btw. The current model is FB but it looks the same  as the F to 
me.

http://www03.bhphotovideo.com/default.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivator__Aproductlist_html___41404___PEMFB___REG___CatID=301___SID=EC0FB7A8D50

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: Feb PUG - My Faves

2002-02-05 Thread Jostein

Humble thanks, Wendy.
On that day, I drove 40 km to shoot frosty landscapes with a friend. When I
stepped out of the car I realised I had left the tripod at home...

I imagine my feelings were akin to Jack Frost's when he digs through his
pockets for something

Jostein

From Wendy Beard:
 Frost, 20th November 2001 by Jostein Oksne
 No, not an episode from the David Jason detective series. A beautiful
 photo. Just magical.
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Re: Pentax Spotmatic F production figures??

2002-02-05 Thread Bmacrae

Thanks Shel...

I somehow thought you'd be the guy with those figures.

I can't wait to take mine out, should be here tomorrow. Seems you can't go wrong with 
a all manual, metal bodied camera! 

Tell me, have you noticed any difference between the Super-Multi-Coated Taks and the 
later SMC tak's color-wise or flare-wise?

Also, I understand you can get the split-image conversion done to these babies, have 
you done this or know someone who has? I would worry that the metering would be off if 
the screen is brighter. I know Camera Repair Service says they adjust the meter as 
part of the conversion but that worries me...

Brendan
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XX (was: Re: Classic Low Speed Film is Back)

2002-02-05 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Tuesday, February 05, 2002, 5:15:38 PM, Shel wrote:
SB Where have you seen XX?  It could be of some interest here.

I bet :)

Is it a silver rich film, like I was told? UNLIKE the thin-emulsion
TX/HP5+ films?

The source - a friend mentioned it to me, if I was interested. He
mentioned few 120m rolls, apparently somebody from the movie field has some
leftover in freeze. I don't know anything more, yet.

Anyone has got some tech sheet on the film, please? Or at
exposure/beta/iso curves?

Thanks

Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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RE: Ringflash

2002-02-05 Thread Denis Klimovich

sorry - articles in Russian but images still in English :)
http://www.penta-club.org/penta/archive/2001/005/school_rus.shtml
and
http://www.penta-club.org/penta/archive/2001/013/school_rus.shtml
Den
p.s: articles author Andrew Smirnov
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Re: Pentax Spotmatic F production figures??

2002-02-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi Brendan,

I've never shot any color through the Takumar lenses, and I always use
the deepest lens hoods possible, so flare's never been a consideration.

Yeah, I do like some of the older cameras. Anything newer than an LX is
too modern for me, and these days I find myself moving further back in
time.  The last roll I shot was with a 67yo Leica ... it needs a lot of
work but I was amazed at how smooth, solid, and quiet it still is.

The SP Fs here don't have the split image screen, although it might be a
nice upgrade.
Don't worry, be happy ... the meters in those old cameras weren't noted
for great accuracy, IAC.  And so what if the meter's off.  You'll be
running a test roll or two through that puppy to get it calibrated to
your style and needs anyway - right?  Why bother to use the meter at
all?  Take one more step back and go meterless, or use a hand-held
meter.

You're located down in San Mateo, aren't you?  We ought to get together
some time.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can't wait to take mine out, should be 
 here tomorrow. Seems you can't go wrong 
 with a all manual, metal bodied camera!
 
 Tell me, have you noticed any difference 
 between the Super-Multi-Coated Taks and 
 the later SMC tak's color-wise or flare-wise?
 
 Also, I understand you can get the split-image 
 conversion done to these babies, have you done 
 this or know someone who has? I would worry that 
 the metering would be off if the screen is brighter. 
 I know Camera Repair Service says they adjust the
 meter as part of the conversion but that worries me...

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Re: PUG Stuff: Re: Why do my photos appear in PUG full of artifacts?

2002-02-05 Thread Jostein

J.C.,
If you know html, try to place the code in the commentary field. If you
don't of if it doesn't work; provide the HTTP: without tags, and Adelheid or
I will add it manually.
Jostein
(Your AutoPug maintainer)
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From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:51 AM
Subject: RE: PUG Stuff: Re: Why do my photos appear in PUG full of
artifacts?


  I suggest you learn to live within the limitations of the PUG
  for submissions to it, and put a link within your submission to
  take the viewer to a larger size image on a different server if
  you think the image merits it.
 
  William Robb

 Great Idea, a link will do the trick.
 But I dont remember a window on the
 submission form to enter the link.
 Did I miss it? I recall one for
 a website, could that be used for
 a link to a larger image?

 BTW, is it possible to edit a submission after
 its already entered?

 JCO
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Re: PUG comments

2002-02-05 Thread Jostein

Thanks, Matjaz.
You're right. The reflections is what makes the image. I was quite
disappointed about the appearance of the frost on the straw. There was a lot
more of it than what appears on the image. That day I had forgotten my
tripod at home, so in pure panic I decided to try to push Velvia one stop to
get some extra speed working freehand. This is a nice trick when doing
forest interiors and such, but here I think the contrasts in the motif are
simply too large for the film to cope.

Jostein

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From: Matjaz Osojnik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:26 PM
Subject: PUG comments


 Hi all,

 I finally found some time to go through PUG and below are those
photographs that
 caught my eye:

 No Mail Today  by Amita Guha. I like this a lot, especially the contrast
of red details on
 mailbox against misty background. Might be wrong but it seems a bit
oversharpened to
 me.

 Frost, 20th November 2001  by Jostein Oksne, I like magical feeling of
coloured
 reflections around the plant.

 The Grey  by David J Brooks, very nice cat portrait, I especially like
shallow DOF
 which creates lovely unsharpness of cat's body.

 Stef On Bike, Northmoor, 2000  by Cotty, I'm glad to see your son
support you on PUG
 assignment so much  ;-)

 Anja in blue  by Edward Kreis, just love it. I like the expression on
Anja's face, I like
 shallow DOF with focus on her eyes, I like great colours as well.

 Trapped !!  by Geoffrey Stevens, it enhances solitude feeling to me and
that is exactly
 why I like it.

 The Event  by Gianfranco Irlanda, I love photographs like this one, full
of emotions of
 crowded people in front of the lens. I think I'd love to see man's face on
the left on the
 photo as well, to increase the depth of the photograph.

 Macro-wide angle  by Dan Scott, great shot, love the idea and love the
composition.

 Also got attracted by The Cat  by Karoly Kovacs, Leaf  by Ed Keeney,
peaceful
 Green Zen  by Flavio Minelli, family feeling of G.G. and Mari,
Thanksgiving 2001  by
 Mike Johnston, White Nights  by Alexey Tikhonov.

 Matjaz
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RE: A New Photo Upload

2002-02-05 Thread Denis Klimovich

Sorry to ALL. Newly created by me forum with links to Pentaxians pages was
corrupted for some (two?) days. Just my error. Now it's up and working
again:
===
http://www.penta-club.org/cgi-penta-c/ikonboard/forums.cgi?forum=15
===
backup copy in progress (through FTP from the Web to my local computer)
now...
Den
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Re: Who owns a photo?

2002-02-05 Thread Lasse Karlsson

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:27 PM
Subject: Who owns a photo?


 Wendy's post (model release form) brought a question to mind.  A
friend took
 some pictures of his (now ex-) wife for personal use.  When she left
she took
 the photos with her and allowed them to be published on-line.  Because
he
 feels these photos are personal he isn't happy to see them posted on
the web.
  Although I'm sure it isn't worth legal action, can he advise the site
to
 remove the photos with the threat of legal action?

Sure he can. Unless he in some way has transferred his rights to the
publisher ( by giving away, selling or leasing them out) he can order
them to remove the pictures and/or sue them for copyright infringement.
A simple case.

(As for who owns the actual prints, or even the negs - that's a
different question, and doesn't have any bearing on the right to copy
them. Remember to always distinguish between an actual print (or other
type of physical copy) and the rights to said picture.)

(Disclaimer - I don't know the meaning of joint property state. Does
this mean she can smash my car, my camera, my guitar and set fire to my
all my negs and then have to pay for only half of the damages, claiming
the stuff actually just as much belongs to her?)

Lasse
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RE: OT: Suffering for your art

2002-02-05 Thread Denis Klimovich

Mike wrote:
...and the girls wear less.
[...]
and a boob tube you lose all [...]

Whao! As still unmarried I must visit Sunderland ASPS.
Sorry - still can't get passport for this visit :(

Also I can confirm that Sunderland's people are extremely strong. Because
they can (and do) wear same Hawai dress and under Russian conditions! (you
know - bears and snow on Moscow streets :)
Den
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Re: XX (was: Re: Classic Low Speed Film is Back)

2002-02-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff

This silver rich business has me puzzled.  What do people mean by
this?  What do you mean by it?  Recently there was a comment on this
subject on the Pure Silver list, and the commentator - someone held in
high esteem for his knowledge and experience - said that the silver
rich theory is so much nonsense, and that the newer films have a good
deal of silver in them, it's just that their grain structure is
different.

I believe that there may be more silver in older emulsions, but I
don't really know. Maybe older emulsions need more silver because the
grains of silver are more random in size and shape than T-grain or
Delta-style films.

Frantisek Vlcek wrote:

 Is it a silver rich film, like I was told? 
 UNLIKE the thin-emulsion TX/HP5+ films?

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PUG ping?

2002-02-05 Thread Jostein

Folks,
From here the PUG seems to be down again.
However, it doesn't seem to be the server itself. The browser finds the server
and tries to open the page but the response times out.

I tried to ping it a couple of times, and the response was around 320 ms on
average over a (brand new, yipee) ADSL line.

FWIW...
Jostein
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Irish Draught and February PUG

2002-02-05 Thread Maciej Marchlewski

So I finally got to sit and have a deep look into this month's gallery. I've
got something from the upper shelf in the store to stand up for the PUG but
it didn't work out - the pictures suprised me with the quality again.

I like a lot of stuff from this month and this are some that worked the best
for me at this moment:

-  BristleCone Pine  by  Bruce Dayton - You got me interested in those
pines, too. Very well lited with enough of sharpness behind to recognize the
background. Very good use of DOF :-)

-  The view from a chess board.  by  Byron Butler - great perspective!
Seems like you've pushed this lens' DOF to its limits. If not for the
commentary I might ask the same question as your co-workers did.

-  Green Zen  by  Flavio Minelli - a quote from you: This picture
inspires calm and meditation, just like those japanese gardens. - true,
true! (and I'm not saying this because of the beverage). Great pic!

-  Leaf  by  Ed Keeney - a very nice one, a little abstract image. Except
for very well blurred background I enjoyed the colors that bring all the
positive feelings I have when thinking of autumn.

-  Peachy  by  Steve Larson - very tasty one.

So it seems I preffered shallow depth of field for this theme. Don't know
why...

And then there is a special word of appreciation for having shalow and deep
DOF in one shot:
-  Macro-wide angle  by  Dan Scott -
very nice trick.

Greetings

Maciej Marchlewski
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Re: Where can I get a BIG lenscap?

2002-02-05 Thread Cotty

http://www.2filter.com sells Schneider press-on caps as large as 132mm, 
including 100, 105, 110, 112, 115, 120, and 125. for $18.70.

Steve Mundie wrote: 

I purchased an old S-M-C Takumar 500/4.5 from a local shop which shut down  
but it needs a front lens cap. The front element is rather large and I'd 
just like to protect it a bit... Can anyone suggest where I might get 
something to protect the front element? 

Hmmm, 112mm, eh? (Mutley laugh again)

;-)

Cotty

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Re: Favorite body, lens, film and more...

2002-02-05 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, February 5, 2002, at 06:58  PM, Jody wrote:

  --- Gianfranco Irlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Favorite body: 6x7

 What, you think Aaron's gonna come
 and get you or something?  I'm sure you really meant
 to say LX there.

No, I'm sure that Gianfranco chose the 6x7 because he truly loves the 
6x7, not because of any threats, perceived or otherwise.

RIGHT??

-Aaron

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Anybody wants an LX Gold?

2002-02-05 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1330869563

Not my auction (I wouldn't part with something like that...).

Gianfranco

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Re: Favorite body, lens, film and more...

2002-02-05 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday, February 5, 2002, at 06:58  PM, Jody wrote:
  What, you think Aaron's gonna come
  and get you or something?  I'm sure you really meant
  to say LX there.
 
 No, I'm sure that Gianfranco chose the 6x7 because he truly
loves the 
 6x7, not because of any threats, perceived or otherwise.
 
 RIGHT??

What could happen to me if I answer 'almost'???
;-D

Gianfranco

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Re: Temporary dropout

2002-02-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Quick everyone, post your flower pictures!!
annsan

Mike Johnston wrote:
 
 Hey friends,
 I must leave the list for a few days to concentrate on work. I'll be looking
 forward to getting back again--see you soon.
 
 Be good!
 
 s
 
 --Mike
 
 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
 Pentax Spotmatics, Apple Macs, stick shifts, jazz on vinyl, hardback books,
 Tri-X in D-76, and home darkrooms forever!
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Re: Send a Kiwi To Camp

2002-02-05 Thread Jody

And of course you will also talk to my boss and
explain why I need the time off.  At the moment we are
so short staffed I am going to be lucky to get time
off to sit my exams.  I've never tried home-brew, I
imagine it tastes much like beer only worse - yuck!!!

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  From:  
  And you'll use the funds to send Jody a ticket,
 right?
 
 Of course!
 
 If there's any left over we'll get you some beer
 making supplies.
 
 tv


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Re: No Pentax digital SLR at PMA

2002-02-05 Thread Anthony Farr

Thanks, Brian, for going the extra yard to get an expert point of view from
within the optical industry (rather than yet another I reckon that ...
blah, blah, blah).

But somehow I fear that, within two months, someone who missed this thread,
or the previous thread on the subject, or the one before that, will
enlighten us that all the rumours of digital wide-angle problems are just
fear mongering, and that it really makes no difference whether it's film or
electronics at the focal plane because the light doesn't know what it's
striking!  Gawd spare me!

Read my lips: film is not the same as an imaging chip, it has some
similarities but it also has significant differences.

Regards,
Anthony Farr

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From: Brian Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Regarding the compatibility of older wide-angle lenses with full-frame
 CCDs, this on the red herring of CCD illumination from optical supplier
 Sunix, Inc. at http://www.optics-online.com/literature/CCDlens.htm :

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Re: Annual cancer research fundraising project

2002-02-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Mark - lots of nice stuff - hope it brings in the bucks for
 you.
 
 Not for me. For the cancer babies as Lisa calls them (in pediatrics, anyone
 under age 20 is a baby).

Oh I knew that - I meant the larger you :)

  One of the stormy cloud shots quite startled me - I swear it was the same
  cloud formation I photoed in Kansas! i'll dig it up and post it for you.
 
 That was taken about a quarter of a mile from my house (although I had to hike
 about a mile through the local trails to get there). Love that SMC-A 20/2.8!
 
I found the shot but haven't scanned it yet -- not quite as
close to yours
as I remembered but I'll show it anyway.

  THe flowers here among my faves here, by the way.
 
 Uh-oh!
 
I know, I'm hiding from Mike J. :)
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Re: Irish Draught and February PUG

2002-02-05 Thread Steve Larson

Hi Maciej,
  Thank you very much!
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
- Original Message -
From: Maciej Marchlewski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:59 PM
Subject: Irish Draught and February PUG


 So I finally got to sit and have a deep look into this month's gallery.
I've
 got something from the upper shelf in the store to stand up for the PUG
but
 it didn't work out - the pictures suprised me with the quality again.

 I like a lot of stuff from this month and this are some that worked the
best
 for me at this moment:

 -  BristleCone Pine  by  Bruce Dayton - You got me interested in those
 pines, too. Very well lited with enough of sharpness behind to recognize
the
 background. Very good use of DOF :-)

 -  The view from a chess board.  by  Byron Butler - great perspective!
 Seems like you've pushed this lens' DOF to its limits. If not for the
 commentary I might ask the same question as your co-workers did.

 -  Green Zen  by  Flavio Minelli - a quote from you: This picture
 inspires calm and meditation, just like those japanese gardens. - true,
 true! (and I'm not saying this because of the beverage). Great pic!

 -  Leaf  by  Ed Keeney - a very nice one, a little abstract image.
Except
 for very well blurred background I enjoyed the colors that bring all the
 positive feelings I have when thinking of autumn.

 -  Peachy  by  Steve Larson - very tasty one.

 So it seems I preffered shallow depth of field for this theme. Don't know
 why...

 And then there is a special word of appreciation for having shalow and
deep
 DOF in one shot:
 -  Macro-wide angle  by  Dan Scott -
 very nice trick.

 Greetings

 Maciej Marchlewski
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Re: Ann's Butterfly Near Phoenix

2002-02-05 Thread Ken Archer

I believe it was Walter Brennen on an old TV western that said, It 
ain't brag if you've done it.  Well girl, you've don't it and it's 
beautiful.

On Tuesday 05 February 2002 05:36 pm, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 I've tended to say thanks and aw shucks privately to those
 who like
 my stuff but I'm allowing my self a public aw shucks now.  I
 can't tell
 you all how much this means to me right now.  I wish I could
 make a living
 at this!

 ann
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Re: Temporary dropout

2002-02-05 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quick everyone, post your flower pictures!!
 annsan

And cats pictures!!!
Don't you forget cats!

Gianfranco
(with 20 cats sitting around...) 
 
 Mike Johnston wrote:
  
  Hey friends,
  I must leave the list for a few days to concentrate on work.
I'll be looking
  forward to getting back again--see you soon.
  
  Be good!


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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Paul Stenquist

Shel Belinkoff wrote:


 And, the quality of the photos or the scanned images notwithstanding,
 don't you feel that the quality of any photograph might suffer when the
 film is pushed 3 stops, especially when compared to using a faster film
 at or near its rated ISO?

I don't understand the purpose of pushing a medium speed film to 1600 or
3200 when there are some excellent high speed films available. Have to
agree with you there. I think the gentleman's hockey shots were quite good
in terms of framing, focus, action, and other purely pictorial
considerations. They deserve a better film.
Paul
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Re: Anybody wants an LX Gold?

2002-02-05 Thread Jim Apilado

I saw a gold LX at Camera World of Oregon a few years ago.  It didn't look
like this one.  If the reserve is so small, could this LX be one that
someone other than Pentax made?

Jim A.

 From: Gianfranco Irlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:48:47 -0800 (PST)
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Anybody wants an LX Gold?
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1330869563
 
 Not my auction (I wouldn't part with something like that...).
 
 Gianfranco
 
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Re: Anybody wants an LX Gold?

2002-02-05 Thread William Robb

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From: Gianfranco Irlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 6:48 PM
Subject: Anybody wants an LX Gold?



http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=133086956
3

 Not my auction (I wouldn't part with something like that...).

You mean you would actually buy something like that?

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Re: Who owns a photo?

2002-02-05 Thread Lasse Karlsson

- Original Message -
From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: Who owns a photo?


  (Disclaimer - I don't know the meaning of joint property
 state. Does
  this mean she can smash my car, my camera, my guitar and set
 fire to my
  all my negs and then have to pay for only half of the damages,
 claiming
  the stuff actually just as much belongs to her?)
 
  Lasse
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 I don't know if it goes that far.  I mean that's a pretty
 outrageous example you put together,

Yes, I did this on purpose...

 but in a joint property
 state, half of everything is hers.

Jeez, who is this lady? Can you introduce me to her? :-)

or,

Jeez, this sounds like true family communism...

Anyway, I don't know if what your saying actually is legally the case,
or just the way people put it, like they sometimes do here in Sweden.
It may even be similar to Swedish law (and I'd guess it's pretty similar
in neighbouring Scandinavian countries). Roughly it goes like this:
Any property that you are the sole owner of, is yours only. You own your
own book, camera, car, guitar etc. She can't do anything with it, like
smashing it up, selling it or giving it away, or take any other
possession of it without your consent. (However, there might of course
be property of joint ownership as well, - typically a house, a car,
furniture etc.)
However, in case of a divorce, we are entitled to half the *value* of
the other party's property. But I still own my camera. She can't just
take it, but I may have to pay her half of it's value in order to keep
it though.
Not all property though goes into this pot that is to be shared to half
it's value. We may have made agreements on what property is to be shared
(long story), or there is typically some property that won't be
included. One of which, interestingly enough, is copyright (and other
intellectual rights. If it has already been transferred to a publisher,
it will be included though.).
This means that the photographer's copyright will be unaffected by the
divorce. It stays with him.

The most extreme case I've
 read about was when one party sold some of the joint property
 for a bargain price and then grinned a lot while turning over
 half of the proceeds of the sale.  In some of the joint property
 states that can be done, and in some it can't be done.

 The real problem is that, in several states, the wife gets it
 all and the husband gets nothing.

Can you give me her name and phone number? Or just tell her I think she
looks nice and give her my email addy...

 That makes the joint property
 states look pretty good.

Hm...

Lasse
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Re[2]: Take two MZ-S's and call me when you get back

2002-02-05 Thread Joseph Tainter

 Joe,
 
 I would be curious to know if you have done this type of backpacking
 in the past and what equipment you have used that has worked well for
 you.  Are there any features of the MZ-S that you were needing/hoping
 to use that your previous equipment didn't have?
 
Well, to be honest, I'd have to say, no, I've never just dumped cameras
into a backpack before. Other models might also have problems, but I
think the switches on the PZ-1p wouldn't have these particular problems.

I think I'm still jet-lagged and cranky. I did feel rather cross at the
MZ-S's design during the trip - especially the camera's tendency to turn
itself on. I bought these (through my lab, not my own $$) specifically
because of the discussion here about how much more durable they were. I
thought Great, just what I need for fieldwork in Africa. Now I have to
think up some extra protection for these puppies (photo backback or hard
cases), then figure how to fit that extra protection into my
already-bulging bags

Joe
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Re: Ann's Butterfly Near Phoenix

2002-02-05 Thread Len Paris

Annsan,

To make a living, you have to shoot pictures that are in demand.
They are not always fun to do.  There are sure-fire formulas to
make a living in photography.  I could list some but I'm sure
that you already know them and you probably would not enjoy
doing them.  Most are too cliché, and far from fine art
photography.  You have a very good eye for  art.  An article I
read last year in a photography magazine explained it another
way.  It was written by an editor.  He differentiated pictures
into two categories.  Those that were shot for people,  and
those that were shot for photographers.  He said that the ones
that sold magazines were shot for people.  You can see that
photographers really appreciate your work.

Len
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: Ann's Butterfly Near Phoenix


 I've tended to say thanks and aw shucks privately to those
 who like
 my stuff but I'm allowing my self a public aw shucks now.  I
 can't tell
 you all how much this means to me right now.  I wish I could
 make a living
 at this!

 ann
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OT: Should one get pissy over photos in a divorce? (was Who owns a photo?)

2002-02-05 Thread Bob Blakely

I've never liked the term mean spiritedness. Some folks toss it out for any old 
thing.
It seems to imply (to me) some permanent defect of character (Their spirit or essence 
is
mean), and among our politicians, this is exactly what they are implying by way of
attempted slander. When a politician or any other person uses the term mean 
spiritedness
in a political setting, I usually mark them (mentally) as someone not worth listening 
to,
and I don't care what side of the isle they sit on.

Most times, bitterness and vindictiveness are transitory and tied to specific 
situations
(especially in the case of divorce). Even the best of us may harbor these for a period
after a traumatic event. I know I have. Still, I just don't think these look good in
folks, and the sooner it subsides and they return to their normal state, the better for
them and us.

If these were naked pics of the ex wife that a guy was putting up, that would be one 
thing
and slanderous indeed. It would be time for court. This is a guy, and according to the
Old Boy's Club rules, one should buck up, get over it and move on. Harboring 
resentment
over anything about anyone just allows the person to live inside your head rent free.

Again, I ain't God. It's just my view from going through divorce myself, listening to
other folks who break up and listening to folks in 12 step programs. Other folks see
things differently.

Regards,
Bob...

Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity,
and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us
from the former, for the sake of the latter.
The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls
for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude,
and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we
suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty,
we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.'
It is a very serious consideration that millions yet
unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event.
- Samuel Adams, 1771

From: Paris, Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 You forgot mean spiritedness.  National People's Radio should keep that
 right on the tip of your tongue, for instant use.

 From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 Whining over photos left over from a divorce is not very becoming of a man.
 To me, it
 shows... bitterness, or possibly vindictiveness, and is probably accompanied
 by all the
 usual rationalization folks put forth in their attempts to claim it's all
 about
 righteousness.

 Yeah, I'm always opinionated.
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Re: OT:I Need More Speed

2002-02-05 Thread Len Paris

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: OT:I Need More Speed


 I missed alot of this, but allow 3 years of internet tech
support
 geekiness to give you your answers:


Geeky?  Perhaps.  But absolutely correct.  My main field of
endeavor is telecommunications, and you have stated the facts
clearly.

I won't comment more than this once because I have been flamed
for this kind of stuff in the past.

Len (Who is a telecomm specialist for the DoD in his day job)
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Re: Pentax Spotmatic F production figures??

2002-02-05 Thread Bmacrae

Ppro...

I know EXACTLY waht you mean!

It's such a toss up; IMHO, split image is easier with bright subjects and 
well defined edges and microprism works better with softer and more dimly lit 
subjects.

I won't do anything until I test out the factory screen. Maybe I'll like it 
well enough and won't change it out.

Brendan
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Re: Anybody wants an LX Gold?

2002-02-05 Thread William Kane

Not really someone who knows much about LX's . . . they call it an ILX,
and they took the thing out of the display case!!  

Gianfranco Irlanda wrote:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1330869563
 
 Not my auction (I wouldn't part with something like that...).
 
 Gianfranco
 
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FS: Pentax 70-210/4 PKA zoom lens, $65

2002-02-05 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

$65--why so little? Well, the focusing, while smooth in the middle, has 
rough spots at the near and far ends. Also, about 25% of the black paint is 
chipped away on the bottom half, near the aperture ring. The glass, 
however, is immaculate, and the focusing ring shows no wear.

Included is a Tamron plastic screw-in hood (42mm deep). For an additional 
$20 I'll include a 58mm B+W multicoated (MRC) UV 010 filter.

Will ship anywhere. PayPal or BidPay preferred; money order accepted. $5 
shipping to U.S. or Canada; $12 elsewhere.


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Re: OT: Should one get pissy over photos in a divorce? (was Who owns a photo?)

2002-02-05 Thread Ken Archer

This is too late for anyone who has been through a divorce.  But for 
those who haven't, the best way to divide property IMHO is to let 
either party divide it into halves and then let the other party in the 
divorce select which half they want.  This is on good authority because 
I have had a lot of time to thing about it.  My wife and I have been 
married 41 years and I am still wondering how long it will last.

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ricoh rikenon lenses

2002-02-05 Thread Nitin Garg

hi

I recall some post here a few days ago mentioning about older ricoh
lenses being incompatible with modern pentax cams (like the zx-5n for
eg). I have a rikenon p 1:2 50mm lens and a 35-70mm zoom. Will they work
with my zx-5n... i dont want to put them on if they arent coming off
after that! :O

Also,  on the aperture ring one has a P mark and other has a (A)P mark.
What do they mean ? Is that the same as the pentax-A lenses?

thanks,
nitin
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RE: Pentax Spotmatic F production figures??

2002-02-05 Thread Paul M. Provencher

Of course then there is the plain matte screen - got that one too and like it the best 
of all.  It is a little hard to use in low
light though...

ppro


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 Ppro...

 I know EXACTLY waht you mean!

 It's such a toss up; IMHO, split image is easier with bright subjects and
 well defined edges and microprism works better with softer and more dimly lit
 subjects.

 I won't do anything until I test out the factory screen. Maybe I'll like it
 well enough and won't change it out.

 Brendan
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Re: Ringflash

2002-02-05 Thread Cotty

Just received this from the Oly list.  What do you folks think?  At ~$30.00
CDN I'd like to try one.

http://www.turekcamera.com/prodSLRAccessories.htm

Seriously, I don't think much of this thing! The idea is sound but 
really! The illumination might be uneven, just looking at it.

At least my inventions have some *style* about them.

On the plus side, the camera would float if dropped overboard...

Cotty

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Re: Anybody wants an LX Gold?

2002-02-05 Thread Bill Owens

  Not my auction (I wouldn't part with something like that...).

IMO it's uglier than a pink Barbie Cam (sorry Aaron) :-)

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Re: Send a Kiwi To Camp

2002-02-05 Thread Bill Owens

 I've never tried home-brew, I
 imagine it tastes much like beer only worse - yuck!!!

Now wait a minute,  I resemble that remark :-)

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Re: Re[2]: Take two MZ-S's and call me when you get back

2002-02-05 Thread wendy beard

At 12:07 5-2-2002 -0500, you wrote:
From: Mick Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Take two MZ-S's and call me when you get back

Sounds to me like the feature the MZ-S was lacking on this trip was a case!

Regards,
/\/\ick...

Hey, That's just what I was going to say!
Still waiting for mine to arrive. It's on order. Then I can sling my MZ-S 
around in my backpack to my hearts content!

Wendy

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Re: Magnifier for Super Program?

2002-02-05 Thread Rfsindg

Paul,

I don't think there is an advantage to the M over the F magnifier.
I've used the F, I think, on the SuperProgram.  No problem.

Regards,  Bob S.


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 But according to Boz's site, the Magnifier F can be used on the Super A 
and other 1980s M and A models. The F is readily available new, at a modest 
price. 
 
 Would using the M offer me any advantages on a Super Program?  
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FS: Vivitar Series 1 200/3.0 lens (screwmount), $100

2002-02-05 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

If you've read http://www.cameraquest.com, you know how legendary this lens 
is. 116mm (4.6 in.)  long by 80mm (3.2 in.) wide; 823 g (29 oz.). Transmits 
more light, f/stop for f/stop, than my Pentax SMC 200/2.5K. Close-focuses 
to 1.2 m (4 feet); magnification 1:4.  72mm filter ring. Built-in sliding 
hood (short). 6 elements, 6 groups, single-coated; 8-blade diaphragm. 
Half-stop clicks between f/4 and f/16, full click to f/22. Clearly marked 
apertures, distance scale, and DOF scale. Very wide knurled focusing ring: 
48 mm (1.8 in.) Entered production 1974.

This lens typically sells for $140 to $175. I'm pricing it at $100 because 
focusing is somewhat rough. Otherwise, it's in nice shape, with clean glass.

I'm selling it because I've just replaced my Series One 135/2.3 screwmount 
lens with its K-mount successor, making the 200/3 is my only remaining 
screwmount lens; hence, I can no longer justify keeping a screwmount 
adapter on my third Super Program.

Will ship anywhere. PayPal or BidPay preferred; money order accepted. $5 
shipping to U.S. or Canada; $12 elsewhere.


Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Re: Re[2]: Take two MZ-S's and call me when you get back

2002-02-05 Thread Paul Jones

Domke make these nice little padded wraps with velcro for cameras, they come
in a range of funky colours :)
So you can just sling it in backpack.

ER cases can be a bit of a pain.

paul
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Take two MZ-S's and call me when you get back


 At 12:07 5-2-2002 -0500, you wrote:
 From: Mick Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Re[2]: Take two MZ-S's and call me when you get back
 
 Sounds to me like the feature the MZ-S was lacking on this trip was a
case!
 
 Regards,
 /\/\ick...

 Hey, That's just what I was going to say!
 Still waiting for mine to arrive. It's on order. Then I can sling my MZ-S
 around in my backpack to my hearts content!

 Wendy

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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Nick Wright

Do I have a sponser here??? :) Honestly, the budget at
my paper is very tight. :P And Delta 3200 costs ~alot~
more than the hp5+.

Nick

--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't understand the purpose of pushing a medium
 speed film to 1600 or
 3200 when there are some excellent high speed films
 available. Have to
 agree with you there. I think the gentleman's hockey
 shots were quite good
 in terms of framing, focus, action, and other purely
 pictorial
 considerations. They deserve a better film.
 Paul
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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Nick Wright

--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Nick ...
 
 I think the real test is to push a 400 speed film
 three stops and take
 the same or a similar shot using a film like Delta
 3200, use the same
 EI, and process it in the recommended developer,
 which is Ilford's DDX. 
 Then compare grain, tonality, and detail.

That's one reason that I said that it was the best
film/dev combo for ~my~ situation. Ilford Delta 3200
takes a couple of minutes longer than the HP5+, both
at 3200 same dev, to finish. Not only that, I swear
that the grain on the Delta at 3200 is much worse than
the grain of hp5+ at the same iso. Another thing,
according to the box of Kodak Pro 3200 TMax that I
have here, it is nominally rated at EI 1000. Is not
the same thing true with Ilford's Delta? So there
really is not anything such as a true 3200 film,
right? You just don't have to push the Delta as far as
the hp5+.
 
 As for your comment that a hockey match isn't a good
 subject because
 There is no way that a person can get all of the
 tones on a standard
 hockey rink to expose correctly because there is
 simply too much
 difference, and the film has not enough latitude is
 simply not true. 
 If you expose for the shadows and develop for the
 highlights, you can
 get the details in the black and prevent the
 highlights from burning
 out.  You may get a little compression in the middle
 tones, but your
 negs - and, therefore, your prints and your scans -
 will look a whole
 lot better.  Pushing a film will automatically cause
 a reduction in
 shadow detail, so you've got a double-whammy going
 here.

I work at a paper, I understand what you're saying;
but it takes me long enough to turn in a photo
already! G
 
 Just out of curiosity, how did you meter the arena
 and the scenes you
 were shooting? Did you actually measure the shadows
 and the highlights,
 or did you put the camera on automatic, plug in the
 flash, and shoot
 away?  The situation on the rink cries out for a
 spot meter and
 controlled development.

When shooting available with my fast lenses, I'll spot
meter off the ice and open up one stop; also checking
the darkest parts of their uniforms to make sure it is
no more than one stop under what the meter reads as
correct. When shooting with slower lenses (ie- my
300/4.5) and flash I'll set the camera to 1/250 @
f4.5, their is enough light at this particular rink so
that at that setting (with 3200iso) the meter reads
dead in the middle when spotted off the ice (which
means the scene is one [one-half] stop under), and I
set the flash to TTL with one-stop overexpose dialed
in. (Actually, since the af500ftz's flash meter only
registers up to 1600iso I don't have to dial in any
extra overexposure at 3200)
 
 And please take what I'm about to say in the spirit
 it's intended - just
 because the photos run every week in your local
 paper does not make them
 very good.  It makes them acceptable for their
 intended purpose.  There
 are other photos on your site that put these to
 shame, and some are
 amongst the best sports photos I've seen.  These
 hockey photos are not
 up to your higher standards.  

Wow, thank you for the compliment. So what would you
suggest that I do differently? Also, keep in mind that
these were among the first hockey games that I've ever
shot. I've shot several since, and I think the quality
has gone up considerably. I'll have to scan some of
the newer ones for my site soon, if I get a second
free. :P

Nick
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Re: Which high speed BW film?

2002-02-05 Thread Paul Stenquist

Well, cost is certainly a consideration when you're trying to earn a
living with your camera. Most of us are just avid hobbyists and cost is
only important when our wifes examine the checkbook. In any case, like I
said, I think they're very good shots.
Paul

Nick Wright wrote:

 Do I have a sponser here??? :) Honestly, the budget at
 my paper is very tight. :P And Delta 3200 costs ~alot~
 more than the hp5+.

 Nick

 --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I don't understand the purpose of pushing a medium
  speed film to 1600 or
  3200 when there are some excellent high speed films
  available. Have to
  agree with you there. I think the gentleman's hockey
  shots were quite good
  in terms of framing, focus, action, and other purely
  pictorial
  considerations. They deserve a better film.
  Paul
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Lens test results

2002-02-05 Thread Ken Archer

Does anyone have a site up with test results of the Super Takumars and 
SMC Takumars like Fred, Stan and Yoshihiko have for the K mounts?  I 
guess you could use the K (as opposed to the M, A, F, FA, etc.) lens 
results as being close to what the Super-Multi-Coated would produce.  I 
guess it is just hell to be old and forgotten.
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Re: Temporary dropout

2002-02-05 Thread harald_nancy

Don't forget the pink sunsets and alpenglow (my favorites).
Oh and it's safe to use mirror lockup again.
Harald

Gianfranco wrote:
And cats pictures!!!
Don't you forget cats!

Gianfranco
(with 20 cats sitting around...) 

Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quick everyone, post your flower pictures!!
 annsan

 Mike Johnston wrote:
  
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  I must leave the list for a few days to concentrate on work.
I'll be looking
  forward to getting back again--see you soon.
  
  Be good!
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Soligor 105/2.8

2002-02-05 Thread jmadams

I'm so happy, having just got back from biking to Vancouver. I spent an hour
going up and down Main Street looking for a belt for my Pioneer Turntable.
Anyway to cut a long story short, I never found the shop that stocks such
spares, but I did find a Pawn Shop with lots of photo gear.

I noticed a couple of  lenses lurking in the back of the case. They were an
Soligor Auto 105/2.8 and an Soligor Auto 135/2.8, both with Nikon Pre-AI
mounts.

They were both practically unused, so I bought the 105/2.8 for $69CDN.  As I
already have the Soligor Auto 300mm with the same adapter in a K-mount, I
realised I could use these on both my ME's and my Photomic FTn.  I plan to
go back to there in a week or so, and buy the 135 lens (when I can afford
the $97CDN).  The other great thing I noticed is that the lenses take a 49mm
filter/hood, and I already have a hood for my  Pentax 105mm and 135mm lens,
plus a stack of filters.
I seem to remember a thread about a week ago on 105/2.8 and 135/2.8 lenses,
are these the ones?
James
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Re: Which high speed BW film? 2nd try

2002-02-05 Thread Nick Wright

--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Nick ...
 
 I think the real test is to push a 400 speed film
 three stops and take
 the same or a similar shot using a film like Delta
 3200, use the same
 EI, and process it in the recommended developer,
 which is Ilford's DDX. 
 Then compare grain, tonality, and detail.

That's one reason that I said that it was the best
film/dev combo for ~my~ situation. Ilford Delta 3200
takes a couple of minutes longer than the HP5+, both
at 3200 same dev, to finish. Not only that, I swear
that the grain on the Delta at 3200 is much worse than
the grain of hp5+ at the same iso. Another thing,
according to the box of Kodak Pro 3200 TMax that I
have here, it is nominally rated at EI 1000. Is not
the same thing true with Ilford's Delta? So there
really is not anything such as a true 3200 film,
right? You just don't have to push the Delta as far as
the hp5+.
 
 As for your comment that a hockey match isn't a good
 subject because
 There is no way that a person can get all of the
 tones on a standard
 hockey rink to expose correctly because there is
 simply too much
 difference, and the film has not enough latitude is
 simply not true. 
 If you expose for the shadows and develop for the
 highlights, you can
 get the details in the black and prevent the
 highlights from burning
 out.  You may get a little compression in the middle
 tones, but your
 negs - and, therefore, your prints and your scans -
 will look a whole
 lot better.  Pushing a film will automatically cause
 a reduction in
 shadow detail, so you've got a double-whammy going
 here.

I work at a paper, I understand what you're saying;
but it takes me long enough to turn in a photo
already! G
 
 Just out of curiosity, how did you meter the arena
 and the scenes you
 were shooting? Did you actually measure the shadows
 and the highlights,
 or did you put the camera on automatic, plug in the
 flash, and shoot
 away?  The situation on the rink cries out for a
 spot meter and
 controlled development.

When shooting available with my fast lenses, I'll spot
meter off the ice and open up one stop; also checking
the darkest parts of their uniforms to make sure it is
no more than one stop under what the meter reads as
correct. When shooting with slower lenses (ie- my
300/4.5) and flash I'll set the camera to 1/250 @
f4.5, their is enough light at this particular rink so
that at that setting (with 3200iso) the meter reads
dead in the middle when spotted off the ice (which
means the scene is one [one-half] stop under), and I
set the flash to TTL with one-stop overexpose dialed
in. (Actually, since the af500ftz's flash meter only
registers up to 1600iso I don't have to dial in any
extra overexposure at 3200)
 
 And please take what I'm about to say in the spirit
 it's intended - just
 because the photos run every week in your local
 paper does not make them
 very good.  It makes them acceptable for their
 intended purpose.  There
 are other photos on your site that put these to
 shame, and some are
 amongst the best sports photos I've seen.  These
 hockey photos are not
 up to your higher standards.  

Wow, thank you for the compliment. So what would you
suggest that I do differently? Also, keep in mind that
these were among the first hockey games that I've ever
shot. I've shot several since, and I think the quality
has gone up considerably. I'll have to scan some of
the newer ones for my site soon, if I get a second
free. :P

Nick
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re: which high speed film 2nd try

2002-02-05 Thread Nick Wright

--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Nick ...
 
 I think the real test is to push a 400 speed film
 three stops and take
 the same or a similar shot using a film like Delta
 3200, use the same
 EI, and process it in the recommended developer,
 which is Ilford's DDX. 
 Then compare grain, tonality, and detail.

That's one reason that I said that it was the best
film/dev combo for ~my~ situation. Ilford Delta 3200
takes a couple of minutes longer than the HP5+, both
at 3200 same dev, to finish. Not only that, I swear
that the grain on the Delta at 3200 is much worse than
the grain of hp5+ at the same iso. Another thing,
according to the box of Kodak Pro 3200 TMax that I
have here, it is nominally rated at EI 1000. Is not
the same thing true with Ilford's Delta? So there
really is not anything such as a true 3200 film,
right? You just don't have to push the Delta as far as
the hp5+.
 
 As for your comment that a hockey match isn't a good
 subject because
 There is no way that a person can get all of the
 tones on a standard
 hockey rink to expose correctly because there is
 simply too much
 difference, and the film has not enough latitude is
 simply not true. 
 If you expose for the shadows and develop for the
 highlights, you can
 get the details in the black and prevent the
 highlights from burning
 out.  You may get a little compression in the middle
 tones, but your
 negs - and, therefore, your prints and your scans -
 will look a whole
 lot better.  Pushing a film will automatically cause
 a reduction in
 shadow detail, so you've got a double-whammy going
 here.

I work at a paper, I understand what you're saying;
but it takes me long enough to turn in a photo
already! G
 
 Just out of curiosity, how did you meter the arena
 and the scenes you
 were shooting? Did you actually measure the shadows
 and the highlights,
 or did you put the camera on automatic, plug in the
 flash, and shoot
 away?  The situation on the rink cries out for a
 spot meter and
 controlled development.

When shooting available with my fast lenses, I'll spot
meter off the ice and open up one stop; also checking
the darkest parts of their uniforms to make sure it is
no more than one stop under what the meter reads as
correct. When shooting with slower lenses (ie- my
300/4.5) and flash I'll set the camera to 1/250 @
f4.5, their is enough light at this particular rink so
that at that setting (with 3200iso) the meter reads
dead in the middle when spotted off the ice (which
means the scene is one [one-half] stop under), and I
set the flash to TTL with one-stop overexpose dialed
in. (Actually, since the af500ftz's flash meter only
registers up to 1600iso I don't have to dial in any
extra overexposure at 3200)
 
 And please take what I'm about to say in the spirit
 it's intended - just
 because the photos run every week in your local
 paper does not make them
 very good.  It makes them acceptable for their
 intended purpose.  There
 are other photos on your site that put these to
 shame, and some are
 amongst the best sports photos I've seen.  These
 hockey photos are not
 up to your higher standards.  

Wow, thank you for the compliment. So what would you
suggest that I do differently? Also, keep in mind that
these were among the first hockey games that I've ever
shot. I've shot several since, and I think the quality
has gone up considerably. I'll have to scan some of
the newer ones for my site soon, if I get a second
free. :P

Nick
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Tricky lighting, Metering Solution

2002-02-05 Thread J. C. O'Connell

I shot this sculpture w/ P67 today. I was
unsure about how to meter it. I didnt
want to fuss with my spotmeter so
I backed up a little and took an
average reading with my gossen
multipro in the reflected mode.
Hit the exposure dead on! Dont recall
what stting I used, but it worked.

http://www.gate.net/~hifisapi/sculpture1.jpg

I've fine tuned my TMAX 400 as far as
ISO (250) and development and I 
L O V E this film for black and
white on the P67. It's a little too
grainy for 35mm but it really 
shines on 6X7. I really appreciate
the extra speed over TMAX 100 which
I usually expose at ISO 80. I think
from now on I will use the 400 for
6X7 and 100 for 35mm.

This brings up the question :
Why use any film slower than 
ISO 400 with the P67 if the grain
is invisible to the naked eye 

I can see trying to reduce the grain
with 35mm , but with P67 whats the
point???

JCO
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Re: Anybody wants an LX Gold?

2002-02-05 Thread Juan J. Buhler

Gianfranco writes:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1330869563
 
 Not my auction (I wouldn't part with something like that...).

Aaarg!!!

My eyes are bleeding. I'd rather shoot with a Canon Rebel!

Are those things legal?

:-)

j


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Re: Anybody wants an LX Gold?

2002-02-05 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Gee, Juan ... I was going to get it for you for your opening.  Oh well,
I guess I'll just have to use it myself when photographing in the
Tenderloin.  A little black tape and no one will be any the wiser g.

Juan J. Buhler wrote:

  http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1330869563

 Aaarg!!!
 
 My eyes are bleeding. I'd rather shoot with a Canon Rebel!
 
 Are those things legal?

-- 
Shel Belinkoff
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/
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