Re: Film suggestions needed

[Bolo]

> What would be an excellent print film to photograph cars, both static
> and on the track, daytime, although some cars may be under a tent or
> in a garage trackside. I need something that can be used for both purposes,
> as I plan to keep two bodies loaded, one w/ a telephoto for the action
> stuff, one with a wide angle for the static shots.

Though I'm a bit late, I wanted to kick in my $.02:

I've had good resuls from using Kodak Royal Gold at auto events, both
for static photos of display cars, in the paddocks, and action shots
out on the track.  The colors are good, rendering the cars, the gray
of the track, and the grass well.  Highlights from chrome were OK,
paint colors had good reproduction.  Dark Shadows may have suffered
a bit, but I wasn't exposing for them.  There were not the kind of
blown-out effects that Kodacolor would give.

I've been shooting Supra more extensively for the last 8-9 months,
and really like it.  I've been most impressed by it's color rendition
and range.  I think of it as Royal Gold ++.  I think it would also
work quite well for the race environment -- it's what I'm going to
try this year.

Last time I did this the results for the static car display  (large
number of cars) wasn't so good.  The day was overcast and the cars and
details were a bit washed out.   In retrospect (after having learned a
lot) I think taking (and using :) a more saturated and/or contrasty
film on that display day would have resulted in better results.
Kodak Portra VC perhaps,  Fuji NPC, and Konica Centuria 200 would
seem to be good candidates for that.  I've only used the VC so far,
I have some NPC in the fridge, and I'm waiting for my next order to
B&H to pick up some of the Konica.   You mention in-tent cars -- the
lighting would most likely be diffuse, and such a film would work 
well in that scenario.

In other words, take a medium/med-low saturation film with you to get
good rendition under decent lighting conditions.  However, take some
more saturated/contrasty film with you in case the lighting is flat;
it _could_ make all the difference.

Anyone else have experience along those lines?

Bolo -- Josef T. Burger
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Absent

[Gary L. Murphy]

We bought another house and will be moving starting tomorrow. My DSL will not become 
active again until the middle of next week so I will be turning off the PDML until I 
can get back online.

Ya'll behave and I'll see ya in about a week!  :-)







Later,
Gary
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Re[2]: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Bruce Dayton]

Funny you should mention that.  The last wedding I shot - last
Saturday, I did the very same thing.  Rather than try to deal with
fill flash - which I used to do with the PZ-1p, I just had one of the
bridesmaids help with a reflector.  Generally worked pretty well.


Bruce



Friday, May 03, 2002, 5:06:03 PM, you wrote:

WR> - Original Message -
WR> From: Mishka
WR> Subject: Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)


WR>  Hey, bros, whaddaya say, are LS lenses useful
>> (alas I haven't tried them - yet)?

WR> Yes. I can now do outdoor fill flash portraiture with my 6x7.

WR> Here is something to think about:

WR> The 6x7 is very limited in it's ability to photograph using fill
WR> flash. So much so that I very quickly gave up on trying.
WR> Instead, I bought/ built a few reflectors, and learned how to
WR> use real light.
WR> Its actually pretty easy.
WR> Probably not much good for reportage style photography, but the
WR> 6x7 isn't much good for that either.

WR> William Robb
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Re[2]: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Bruce Dayton]

Robert,

That would be my guess.  The likely use is for portraits in sunlight
to remove shadows and add catchlights in the eyes.  In that case, you
are likely to only be about 10 feet away.  Even a lower guide number
would be sufficient.  Those who use leaf shutters with fill flash are
largely doing the same basic thing.  That is why I am thinking that
the leaf shutter is not very necessary for the 35mm.  When a more
powerful version of the AF360FGZ comes out, then we're talking!  That
would be a much bigger seller than a leaf shutter lens.

Now I guess I'm going to have to try the high speed synch and see how
well it does.  Also, remember that fill flash is usually compensated
down a stop or two, which helps bring back the guide number a bit.


Bruce



Friday, May 03, 2002, 4:53:48 PM, you wrote:

RH> Bruce Dayton wrote:

>> Mishka,
>> 
>> What are you needing 1/1000 flash synch for?  Would not the MZ-S and
>> AF360FGZ do the job you are asking for?  It can synch up to 1/6000. Or
>> is flash distance a problem?

RH> Has anybody actually used this feature, who can tell us how it works in 
RH> the real world? Haven't seen any discussion of that.

RH> I assume it reduces the guide number (i.e., distance) by quite a bit. I 
RH> recall that Olympus had a flash like this years ago, and its guide 
RH> number was extremely low when in high-shutter-speed mode, much reduced 
RH> from normal operation.

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Re: Pentax Program Plus

[Nitin Garg]

On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 09:45:23PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
> > UPS close at 4.30 PM EST and just after lunch Pacific time
> (Bloody Unions
> > again) no wonder things are SNAFU in Canada.
> 
> Send it back, get a refund, then report him to the FBI. Shipping
> something internationally under false auspices must be something
> they would be interested in.
> 

Arent investigation agencies stretched badly most of the time ? I doubt
if FBI would do much.
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Additional Toronto photos

[Stan Halpin]

I did some quick scans of some more Toronto photos. The new batch are all
scanned from 5x7 prints made from transparencies.

One additional PDML shot: a somewhat fuzzy shot of Jeff, Brendan, and the
back of Dave's head.

The 645 35/3.5 was mentioned recently; some of the building shots are with
the 35mm.

, go to the Toronto folder.

Stan
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Re: Stan H Tinkers In Toronto

[Stan Halpin]

Very nice David. Thank you.

Stan

> From: "David Chang-Sang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 23:11:09 -0400
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Stan H Tinkers In Toronto
> 
> As promised:
> 
> An image of Stan on a rainy Saturday in early April in Toronto.  I believe
> he was verifying something on the 645 prior to shooting :)  It was grand to
> meet someone who I had read about and referred to on a number of my ebay
> extravaganzas !! (prior to considering a purchase of a Pentax lens I always
> referred to Stan's site for an honest set of user reviews... and they have
> yet to steer me wrong in any of my buying decisions)
> 
> http://www.chang-sang.com/photos/stan.jpg
> 
> Film: Kodak Portra BW (400 asa C-41 B&W)
> Lens: Sigma 90mm f2.8 (macro)
> Camera: K1000
> Scanner: Minolta Dimage Scan Elite II
> Size: 640 x 964 - 138kb
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
> P.S. I'm happy to report that the Sigma is a SOLID lens for the K/A mount.
> It's sharp and great for portraits plus it's got enough speed AND does 1:2
> macro. Metal build with rubber on the focussing ring and a 52mm filter size.
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Re: Pentax Program Plus

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: James Adams
Subject: Pentax Program Plus


> The Pentax Program Plus I bought for $102 on Ebay was supposed
to come by
> USPS, as I requested ship by USPS and NOT UPS. The seller went
ahead and
> sent it by UPS. It was supposed to arrive this afternoon with
no charges. As
> the sender marked it as a gift, in excess of $60 CDN, Customs
are not
> accepting this was a gift, as they say it was misrepresented.
with the
> result I am now being billed over $70 CDN for GST, PST, Gift
Tax, plus $35
> UPS Brokerage Fees (+ GST/PST).
> Anyway I am thinking of sending this item back, I was too late
to stop him
> after he sent it.  I spent 3x twenty minutes talking to UPS,
only to
> discover I was talking to UPS International tracking
stateside.  Canadian
> UPS close at 4.30 PM EST and just after lunch Pacific time
(Bloody Unions
> again) no wonder things are SNAFU in Canada.

Send it back, get a refund, then report him to the FBI. Shipping
something internationally under false auspices must be something
they would be interested in.

William Robb
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RE: DC PDMLers

[Cesar Matamoros II]

Tom (with the help of Bass?? - or was it too early?)
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 5:29 PM

So far I have the following folks as being in the DC/Balto. area:

Grigolia
Mathews
Cesar (honorary)
Glenn
Mark L.
Geoff Moes
Chris Skofteland
Paul Stregevsky
Matt Bevers

Anyone else want on the list? There's beer involved.

tv
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Perfect opportunity for me to chime in.  I have another trip to Baltimore
coming up in a couple of weeks.  I will be staying in Jessup.  I will have a
rental car and am up for having a PDML get together or two or more while
there.  As a matter of fact I am not adverse to not having a free night at
all ;-)

I am arriving the afternoon of the 16th.  I will be flying back here on the
23rd.  The 17th through the 19th I will be in Orange, Viriginia for a
relative's wedding (Willow Grove Inn).

For right now I am free the 16th and the 20th through the 22nd.  I cannot
talk to the weekend, though the 19th might see me with free time in
Virginia.

Whew!  I hope you are still following me on this one.  Just drop me a line
and talk amongst yourselves, lets see what we can do.

I am still not sure what gear I will be carting with me.  Christian, I know
that I talked about bringing out some screwmount gear but I am not sure.
Maybe next time, though I may cart the Super Takumar 85/1.9 with K adapter.
I am definitely bringing an LX or two.  There may be a snakeskin one in the
bunch.  Three cameras with three different type films???  Let's see.
Definitely the 77.  Probably the 50/1.2.  Definitely the 24/2.8.  Possibly
the 135/2.8 IF...

Hoping to get to see everyone,

César
Panama City, Florida
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Re: Re: Sorry,more home proccessing

[Brendan]

didn't Aaron give you some of that final bath? we have
hard water here
to ( I'm in the same water area I think ) and after
that final bath
for 2 min no water marks or other problems.

--- David Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have very hard water in my area so i'm 
> leaning on bottled water for at least the rinse.
> 
> Dave
> 
>  Begin Original Message 
> 
> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Fri, 03 May 2002 18:42:35 +
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Sorry,more home proccessing
> 
> 
> 
> temperature. My water seems to be free of 
> minerals. I sometimes use a
> distilled water final rinse, but I've noticed 
> that it doesn't really
> affect the final results.
> Paul
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Re: Jacob Riis

[b_rubenstein]

Just to be slighty tedious, Riis Park is not in Far 
Rockaway. It's just over the Marine Park Bridge, and due 
south of Brooklyn. I got dragged off to that place every 
weekend for years in the late 60's. Well before one of 
the sections of the beach went topless...

From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

And more importantly, Riis Park on Far Rockaway had a 
nude beach back in
the eighties. Great photo ops.
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Re: RE: Program Plus Batteries

[David Brooks]

 Begin Original Message 

From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I just bought the 3v from radio shack.I believe 
the number was 23-265.About $10.00 Can

Dave

Mine has a pair of EPX76 energizers in it. 
There's also a single
battery that will take their plaqce, but I 
don't remember the name...

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RE: Film scanners?

[Mishka]

John,
I had (for about a week) a 2720S. The only way to get anything useful
out was to run multipass-multisampling with VueScan. It is quite
possible that I had a bad sample -- now that I think about it, I find
it very unlikely that anyone would make a scanner that bad, so probably
I just got lucky :) 

> From: John Coyle 
> Subject: RE: Film scanners? 
> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 16:32:59 -0700 
> 
> 
> 
> Can't agree with you there Mishka, I have the Scanwit and mine is 
> good and not noisy, either in audio terms or in the resultant image. 

> I did have to send the first example back as it couldn't focus, so 
> maybe quality control is a problem?
> 
> John Coyle
> Brisbane, Australia
> 
> 
> On Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:39 AM, Mishka wrote:
> 
> > I know that Acer ScanWit is a piece of crap, no matter what the
> > reviews say (you will drown in noise). 
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Pentax Program Plus

[James Adams]

The Pentax Program Plus I bought for $102 on Ebay was supposed to come by
USPS, as I requested ship by USPS and NOT UPS. The seller went ahead and
sent it by UPS. It was supposed to arrive this afternoon with no charges. As
the sender marked it as a gift, in excess of $60 CDN, Customs are not
accepting this was a gift, as they say it was misrepresented. with the
result I am now being billed over $70 CDN for GST, PST, Gift Tax, plus $35
UPS Brokerage Fees (+ GST/PST).
Anyway I am thinking of sending this item back, I was too late to stop him
after he sent it.  I spent 3x twenty minutes talking to UPS, only to
discover I was talking to UPS International tracking stateside.  Canadian
UPS close at 4.30 PM EST and just after lunch Pacific time (Bloody Unions
again) no wonder things are SNAFU in Canada.

A very Pissed-off James
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Re: pentax 24-90

[Robert Harris]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I tested the Pentax 24-90 vs the Tamron 24-135.  I'd give a very slight edge 
> to the Pentax for optics, but the extra range of the Tamron is nice.  Both 
> are very good zooms opticallyboth very consistent over the ranges.  A 
> tough choice.
> 
> Robert James

Thanks for you input.

The extra reach of the Tamron would have been nice to have, but I 
decided to stick with Pentax. Also, I believe the Tamron takes 72mm 
filters, and I already haver several 67 mm filters that I use with other 
lenses. The notion of having to pick up a couple of 72mm filters struck 
me as undesirable. Those things aren't cheap, especially a circ. polarizer.

So I went to B&H Photo and bought the Pentax today. Will give it a 
tryout this weekend.

An aside -- had an MZ-S in my hands for the first time while waiting for 
another item to come from the warehouse. Did not play with controls and 
the like, so cannot comment on that or its features. But it sure is a 
cute little thing. :)

Bob
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Re: Anybody interested in getting the Pentax poster?

[Rfsindg]

Dario,

I expect mailing within the US would cost $3.50 per poster,
add to that the cost of the mailing tube,  plus the cost of 
production on your side and mailing to the US.
What do you think this would run on a per poster basis.

If this all is not too expensive, we can find a way to work it out.
I'd be happy to pay for such a poster.

Regards,  Bob S.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Anybody interested in getting the "50 years Pentax" poster
 from outside Italy?
 In case I'll be happy to find a good way to do that. The problem will be the
 postage cost, also depending on the way you'll want me to mail you the
 poster.
 Being it 100x50cm wide, I'll have the choice between mailing it folded many
 times inside a standard envelope or shipping it rolled up. I bet that will
 cost a lot more.
 
 As Greg suggested, it's probably better I'll ship 100 (say) to some PDML'er
 in N. America for distribution there. Rather than 100's of separate posters
 being airmailed from Italy.
 
 So, anybody interested in it? Please give me an idea of the quantity I'll
 have to ship. Now my idea is to print 500 copies: 300 for AOHC members and
 200
 more for others.
 
 Bye,
 
 Dario Bonazza >>
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Re: Re: Hey, Aaron (and other TO folks)

[David Brooks]

May 11 still looks good

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: frank theriault 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Fri, 03 May 2002 17:22:36 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hey, Aaron (and other TO folks)


.

I'm good for May 11 and 25.  Other weekends in 
May I've got access to my
kids and am unavailable.

If we want to make it the 11th, that's fine 
with me, but I'm not sure
about Spring Rolls.  Mind you, there's always 
C'Est What?, that's not a
bad place.  We can always do Spring Rolls 
another time.  Or, we could
agree on the 25th (if everyone's available), 
because I'm sure it'll be
open by then.

ciaou,
frank

David Brooks wrote:

> Me too.May 11 and 18 are my free days.Possibly
> May 12.
>

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all 
possible worlds. The
pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert
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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Bill D. Casselberry]

 Mark Erickson added ...
 
> > Doable, but maybe not very profitable for Pentax
 
I suspect that may be Pentax reasoning for not "breaking
ground" w/ a leaf shutter for 35mm. They probably figure
that the fields of photography where a leaf is useful are
those where serious players will be using the 645 or 67
anyway - and they provide leafs for those formats.

Bill

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Re: Pentax 24-90 zoom -- user reports?

[Robert Harris]

Thanks for you input, Andreas. I went to B&H Photo and bought the thing 
today. Will give it a tryout this weekend.

Bob
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Re: Re: Sorry,more home proccessing

[David Brooks]

We have very hard water in my area so i'm 
leaning on bottled water for at least the rinse.

Dave

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Sent: Fri, 03 May 2002 18:42:35 +
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sorry,more home proccessing



temperature. My water seems to be free of 
minerals. I sometimes use a
distilled water final rinse, but I've noticed 
that it doesn't really
affect the final results.
Paul
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Re: In a nutshell - Is Pentax ever going Digital SLR

[Mike]

Every Fall since I don't know when.
Don't hold your breath, you'll turn blue before Pentax
meets one of their "coming soon" deadlines regarding digital.

-=Mike=-
In the Pacific Northwet


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From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: In a nutshell - Is Pentax ever going Digital SLR


On Fri, 03 May 2002 09:00:15 +0200
Pål Audun Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> In a nutshell yes. Pentax is working on a K-mount digital slr. According
to
> Pentax people, they expect something to be shown at Photokina in the
fall.

Whos fall, it is fall now here in .au

Kevin
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Re: 300mm f4 screwmount lens- value?

[Bill D. Casselberry]

Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
> My 300/4 screwmount has a tripod mount. It's a Super Multi Coated
> Takumar, the last of the screwmount 300s.

Mine too, though it hails from ~1963 and is "just" a 
Takumar - 3.5 pounds worth of Pentax Brass 'n Glass

!8^D Bill

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RE: Hey, Aaron (and other TO folks)

[David Chang-Sang]

Ooo  C'est What? 

m. Kawartha Lakes Raspberry Wheat beer on tap...mm

May 11 would be good for me
May 18 (potentially but prolly not)
May 25 (should be ok)

Hopefully by any of those dates I should have my 19mm in hand.

Cheers,
Dave

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Subject: Re: Hey, Aaron (and other TO folks)


I wuz by the new Spring Rolls on Front today (I actually stop by there
every day for a scheduled drop-off), and it's still under construction.
Hard to tell when it might be ready, 'cause there's paper on the
windows, and no sign indicating opening day.

We should probably think of a Saturday, if that's okay for everyone,
(assuming the new Spring Rolls is on the agenda - I'm guessing Aaron
would insist on it!), because there's not much going on around there on
Sundays, and a lot of the places on Front West are closed;  maybe Spring
Rolls too.

I'm good for May 11 and 25.  Other weekends in May I've got access to my
kids and am unavailable.

If we want to make it the 11th, that's fine with me, but I'm not sure
about Spring Rolls.  Mind you, there's always C'Est What?, that's not a
bad place.  We can always do Spring Rolls another time.  Or, we could
agree on the 25th (if everyone's available), because I'm sure it'll be
open by then.

ciaou,
frank

David Brooks wrote:

> Me too.May 11 and 18 are my free days.Possibly
> May 12.
>

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OT: Mayday

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

by a strange coincidence a friend sent me this photo, of an Italian
restaurant in Great Portland Street, London (the subject of another
thread at the moment):

www.web-options.com/mayday.bmp

It's rather slow I'm afraid.

Cheers,

Bob
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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[William Robb]

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From: Mishka
Subject: Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)


 Hey, bros, whaddaya say, are LS lenses useful
> (alas I haven't tried them - yet)?

Yes. I can now do outdoor fill flash portraiture with my 6x7.

Here is something to think about:

The 6x7 is very limited in it's ability to photograph using fill
flash. So much so that I very quickly gave up on trying.
Instead, I bought/ built a few reflectors, and learned how to
use real light.
Its actually pretty easy.
Probably not much good for reportage style photography, but the
6x7 isn't much good for that either.

William Robb
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WTB: Hotshoe adapter F and sync cord 5p also 28-70/2.8

[Nick Wright]

I'm looking to purchase the adapter and sync cord. I'm also needing to get
an FA* 28-70/2.8. If anyone has either of these items for sale please give
me an email at this address. Thanks!
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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Robert Harris]

Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Mishka,
> 
> What are you needing 1/1000 flash synch for?  Would not the MZ-S and
> AF360FGZ do the job you are asking for?  It can synch up to 1/6000. Or
> is flash distance a problem?

Has anybody actually used this feature, who can tell us how it works in 
the real world? Haven't seen any discussion of that.

I assume it reduces the guide number (i.e., distance) by quite a bit. I 
recall that Olympus had a flash like this years ago, and its guide 
number was extremely low when in high-shutter-speed mode, much reduced 
from normal operation.

Bob
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Where's the DigiBino?

[Ryan K. Brooks]

Announced, but still not available for sale anywhere?

R
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RE: Film scanners?

[John Coyle]

Try a Scanwit 2720S or later - I've found it very good, and the 
included software is Ok too.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


On Friday, May 03, 2002 11:23 AM, TM [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> I know people have mentioned flatbed scanners, but has anyone here
> done any serious looking at 35mm film scanners?
>
> The Minolta Dimage II sounds promising- 2700dpi, 36 bit color, USB
> interface, only $360, if it works well. I'm not interested in getting
> one of the really pricey scanners but if this one or something
> similar
> that's under $400 works well, I'm seriously interested in getting 
one.
>
>
> Any experience?
>
> Thanks,
> Taka
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RE: Film scanners?

[John Coyle]

Taka, don't go that route for 35mm, unless you are certain that the 
flatbed will do in excess of 1800dpi _optical_.  My flatbed supposedly 
goes to 1600,but it's actually 400 optical with digital interpolation 
taking it to 1600, and the results for 35mm are rubbish.  It's not bad 
for MF, and for documents and prints it's fine, but after 18 months of 
using it I went out and bought a film scanner as well.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


On Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:55 AM, TM [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
wrote:
> Mishka-
> Thanks. I shouldn't say "never," but I really don't foresee myself
> getting into MF, so that is not a consideration. However, I do need
> a flatbed scanner anyway for documents, that's why I ask whether it
> is a huge trade-off to use a flatbed scanner for negatives. I can get
> by w/ a cheap $100 scanner for documents, but need to spend around
> $400
> for a film scanner. With a good $400 flatbed, I wonder how much I'm
> losing.
>
> Taka
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RE: how good

[John Coyle]

MZ-S - great, well worth getting, even at the Aussie price ($1899 at 
Photo Continental in Brisbane), but even better value if you can get it 
from Hong Kong or Singapore!
Don't know about the lenses you mention, although AP did a 
disappointing review of the 24-90 recently.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


On Friday, May 03, 2002 9:30 PM, wayne willis (aka pinkys right hand 
man) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> mz-s is it any good?
> i have a pz-1 and am looking to up grade
> is it worth it
> also i have heard good things about the tokina 100-300mm lend f4 has
> any one
> else
> also is the 24-90mm lens of pentax any good?
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RE: Film scanners?

[John Coyle]

Can't agree with you there Mishka, I have the Scanwit and mine is good 
and not noisy, either in audio terms or in the resultant image.  I did 
have to send the first example back as it couldn't focus, so maybe 
quality control is a problem?

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


On Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:39 AM, Mishka [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
wrote:

> I know that Acer ScanWit is a piece of crap, no matter what the
> reviews say (you will drown in noise). 
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RE: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Lukasz Kacperczyk]

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Re: Jacob Riis

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

"How the other half lives" is available in Penguin Classics:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140436790/qid=1020468116/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-2586244-0875358

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Friday, May 03, 2002, 2:31:11 PM, you wrote:

> From "The Writer's Almanac," by MPR:

> It's the birthday of journalist and reformer Jacob Riis, born in Ribe,
> Denmark (1849). He came to America looking for work as a carpenter,
> then started working as a reporter. Within a few years, he bought the
> struggling South Brooklyn News and transformed it into a profitable
> reform journal. At the New York Tribune, he exposed the terrible
> conditions of the slums. He was one of the first photojournalists, taking
> pictures of slum life, which he published in How the Other Half Lives  (1890).
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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Mishka]

From: Mark Erickson 

> If you're ok using stop-down metering, have mirror lockup in your SLR

> body, and 1/500 is fast enough for you, you can put a Pentax 67 90mm 
> F2.8 leaf shutter on your lens today! 

That's a very good point! But somehow it feels like lighting cigarette
with a blow torch. Doable of course... :)

> A truly integrated leaf-shutter lens would support open-aperture 
> metering, automatically cock the shutter between shots, and have 
> automatic communication between the leaf shutter, camera body, and 
> flash. 

That's exactly what I was talking about!

> Doable, but maybe not very profitable for Pentax 

As far as profitability... Of course this is far fetched, but don't you
think, availability of such a lens would do better for putting the
system ahead of competition than trying to match 1/12000 shutter speed 
and similar nonsense? Hey, bros, whaddaya say, are LS lenses useful
(alas I haven't tried them - yet)?

> From: Bruce Dayton 
> 
> What are you needing 1/1000 flash synch for?

Daytime fill flash? Any wedding photographers out there? 

> Would not the MZ-S and AF360FGZ do the job you are asking for?  It 
> can synch up to 1/6000. Or is flash distance a problem?

The problem is that I need a special flash and a special body. That's
what $1000+? Somehow I feel a 645 LS lens is a more affordable option.
And I kinda like my LX and ME-Super. 
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eBay Win!!!

[Dan Kirsch]

Okay, I've never had one that I felt was really worth wanting to brag about but in 
this case I simply cannot resist:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1349079099

Pentax 645N AF400 mm 5.6 described as "very nice condition. optically very clean, 
mechanically perfect, cosmetically perfect" with original box, case, hood and both 
caps.  My price $1176!  So, a good deal?  ;-

And now I'm dancing the "big glass" dance  :-

Dan Kirsch
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Anybody interested in getting the Pentax poster?

[Dario Bonazza 2]

Anybody interested in getting the "50 years Pentax" poster
from outside Italy?
In case I'll be happy to find a good way to do that. The problem will be the
postage cost, also depending on the way you'll want me to mail you the
poster.
Being it 100x50cm wide, I'll have the choice between mailing it folded many
times inside a standard envelope or shipping it rolled up. I bet that will
cost a lot more.

As Greg suggested, it's probably better I'll ship 100 (say) to some PDML'er
in N. America for distribution there. Rather than 100's of separate posters
being airmailed from Italy.

So, anybody interested in it? Please give me an idea of the quantity I'll
have to ship. Now my idea is to print 500 copies: 300 for AOHC members and
200
more for others.

Bye,

Dario Bonazza

http://digilander.iol.it/aohc/

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From: "Dario Bonazza 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:11 AM
Subject: 50 years and 74 SLR cameras


> Hi friends,
>
> I'm working on putting together a "Pentax 50 years" poster (100x70cm
format)
> showing all (74 models) Asahiflex, Asahi Pentax and Pentax mass-produced
> SLR's from 1952 to 2002.
> It will be this year AOHC gadget for members attending 7th Pentax Day in
> Florence (Italy) next June 2nd. See: http://digilander.iol.it/pentaxday
>
> So far I'm still missing good pictures for Z5 and Z5P models (Japanese
home
> market only). Is there anybody who can supply me those picture files? In
> case I'll be happy to ship him/her a copy of the poster once published
> (within a month from now).
> Thanks a lot.
> Dario Bonazza
> 
> http://digilander.iol.it/aohc/
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RE: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Rob Studdert]

On 3 May 2002 at 13:02, Paris, Leonard wrote:

> I'm sure there are a zillion other little things to consider but I keep
> getting interrupted here at work, so I can't sit down and think it all
> through in detail.

The other thing to consider too is that for the majority of photographers the 
number of shots that they have forfeited through lack of the availability of a 
leaf-shutter on their 35mm kit would in most instances be pretty small, 
particularly for those of use who rarely use flash :-)

Cheers,

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RE: ID this lens!

[Łukasz Kacperczyk]

It looks like it's got a chrome-looking top plate to me ;)
Lukasz

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In a message dated 03/05/02 14:50:16 GMT Daylight Time, Lukasz writes:

<< Weren't all T90 black? >>

Not all. Some were made for the Japanese miltary in white.

Is't that camera black then? My eyesight must be going

Peter
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RE: Jacob Riis

[Lukasz Kacperczyk]

??
Lukasz

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Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 3:31 PM
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Subject: Jacob Riis


>From "The Writer's Almanac," by MPR:

It's the birthday of journalist and reformer Jacob Riis, born in Ribe,
Denmark (1849). He came to America looking for work as a carpenter,
then started working as a reporter. Within a few years, he bought the
struggling South Brooklyn News and transformed it into a profitable
reform journal. At the New York Tribune, he exposed the terrible
conditions of the slums. He was one of the first photojournalists, taking
pictures of slum life, which he published in How the Other Half Lives
(1890).

£ukasz Kacperczyk wrote:

> Weren't all T90 black?
> Lukasz
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ID this lens!
>
> I might be missing the point here, but the camera seems reminiscent of a
> T90,
> whilst the lens resembles a Nikkor 600mm - the gold band at the front, the
> wide focus ring, but the tripod mount looks wrong. Maybe it's one of those
> Sigma 1000mm lenses.
>  Natch Canon actually made EOS big glass in black for the Japanese
military.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter
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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Mark Erickson]

 -Mishka wrote-
> Which brings me to the question, does anyone know, what may be the
> reason for not making leaf shutter lenses for 35mm SLRs, like they have
> for P-6x7 (and almost everything 6x6)? That would bring sync speed to
> the *really* nice 1/1000!

If you're ok using stop-down metering, have mirror lockup in your SLR body, 
and 1/500 is fast enough for you, you can put a Pentax 67 90mm F2.8 leaf 
shutter on your lens today! 

A truly integrated leaf-shutter lens would support open-aperture metering, 
automatically cock the shutter between shots, and have automatic 
communication between the leaf shutter, camera body, and flash.  Doable, but 
maybe not very profitable for Pentax 

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Re[2]: Film scanners

[Bruce Dayton]

Hear, hear.  I can vouch for that.  Someday, I'll get a good MF
scanner.


Bruce



Friday, May 03, 2002, 3:26:04 PM, you wrote:

RC> Hello to All,

RC> I own the Polaroid Sprintscan 4000 dpi
RC> scanner. 
RC> When I scan a sharp 35mm negative
RC> and make a 13 x 20 inch print with my Epson 1270
RC> printer, you would swear it's a medium format print.
RC> I don't think an inexpensive flatbed scanner out there
RC> with a 120 neg. could quite compare. 
RC> If you've got a medium format camera, you might as
RC> well
RC> go for a real medium format film scanner. 
RC> You'll never be sorry you did. The scans must be
RC> awesome! (excuse me, I'm licking my lips and lusting
RC> here)

RC> Sincerely,
RC> Ryan



>> Subject: RE: Film scanners?
>> 

>>I wonder how much I'd
>> give up by getting
>> the Epson over a dedicated film scanner? I need a
>> flatbed for other
>> stuff as well.
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Re: Sorry,more home proccessing

[Paul Stenquist]

I use the brown plastic accordion jars that you can buy in most photo
stores to store chemicals. These allow you to evacuate air from the
chemicals when the jar is partially full. I have a very large print
washing tank that ho.ds about 25 gallons of water, so I dump my chemical
jars in there to get them to temperature before developing film. For the
developer, I usually mix D-76 1:1, so I measure the full strength
developer temperature, then adjust the water mix temp to end up at 68°.
I've found that I need to maintain a temperature that doesn't speed up
or slow down the process in order to get uniform results. I don't like
to correct for temperature. I also find that I don't need distilled
water to mix with the developer, so I can use the taps to regulate
temperature. My water seems to be free of minerals. I sometimes use a
distilled water final rinse, but I've noticed that it doesn't really
affect the final results.
Paul
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Re[2]: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Bruce Dayton]

Mishka,

What are you needing 1/1000 flash synch for?  Would not the MZ-S and
AF360FGZ do the job you are asking for?  It can synch up to 1/6000. Or
is flash distance a problem?


Bruce



Friday, May 03, 2002, 2:22:51 PM, you wrote:

M> Bill, you have missed my point. 
M> I have never argued for LS-only SLR. I want to have LS lenses ON TOP of
M> what SLR already has, just like 6x7 does. That would give me 1/8000 (or
M> whatever) max speed when I need it (if anyone needs *that*) and 1/1000
M> sync when I need it (which is often).
M> Oly p&s was simply an example that a 35mm reasonably fast LS lens *is
M> not* a technical difficulty.

M> 
M> For some reason I see SLR manufacturers competing adding tons of more
M> or less useless (or, I should probably say, highly specialized)
M> features (eg, 12fps motors) when there are some obvious enhancements
M> that would benefit a huge segment of users, but no one seems to care.
M> What are those marketing guys paid for? I hope someone from Pentax
M> reads this 
M> 

>> From: Bill D. Casselberry 
>> Subject: Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good) 
>> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 13:31:18 -0700 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mishka wrote:
>> 
>> > For those saying it's difficult:
>> > Olympus Stylus Epic, street price $100 for the whole camera,
>> >  35mm/2.8 lens, shutter 4-1/1000s.
>> 
>>   Yeah, but like all the P&S mentioned - these are all
>> separate viewfinder type cameras. If you want TTL viewing
>> you need the mirror box and an open leaf shutter which then
>> mandates a second focal plane shutter or some other mechanism
>> to keep light off the film 'til you actually shoot.
>> 
>> Bill
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Re: FS - telephoto lenses & stuff

[Bruce Dayton]

I hear ya Bill.  I've still got to get that Fisheye and probably the
45 for my 67.  Only problem is, that I'm about out of 35mm gear to
sell without serious holes in my 35 kit.

Collin, you still planning on that 43 Limited?


Bruce



Friday, May 03, 2002, 1:59:40 PM, you wrote:

BDC> here we go, ... 6x7 calling :

BDC> SuperTak 105mm f2.8  w/case, hood, etc$75
BDC> S.M.C. Tak 135mm f3.5  w/ case, etc   $55
BDC> Tele-Takumar 200mm f5.6  w/ case, etc $55
BDC>  (one hood which fits either - first come/first served)
BDC> SuperTak 200mm f4 $75
BDC> SMC-K 400mm f5.6   w/ case, UV, etc   $275 

BDC> Yaschica A  TLR   $50
BDC> ProgramPlus   $75
BDC> Spotmatic II  (sticky mirror/fixable) $35
BDC> Spotmatic 500   ( ditto ) $20

BDC> SMC-A 50mm f2 $40
BDC> Yaschica 50mm f1.4  (m42) $25
BDC> (2) SMC Tak 55mm f2   $25

BDC> - ProgramPlus & a K lens gets *Free* Takumar 28-80 zoom!
BDC> - Tele & 55/50mm gets *Free* SP500 
BDC> ... add $7 for North America USPS shipping
BDC> ... checks from PDML regulars are OK


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baseball games and [banned] long lenses

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On Saturday, my wife and I will take our 11-year-old girl to her first pro baseball 
game, in Baltimore. I'd have loved to give my Pentax 400/5.6 PKA and workout, but I 
understand that few stadiums allow long lenses anymore because of copyright issues.

In fact, a baseball fan where I work informs me that since September 11 you can't even 
get into the stadium with a backback or a cooler.

Oh, well. We'll take my wife's Olympus Stylus Epic and ask someone nearby to take 
shots of us sitting together and cheering.

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FS - telephoto lenses & stuff

[Bill D. Casselberry]

here we go, ... 6x7 calling :

SuperTak 105mm f2.8  w/case, hood, etc$75
S.M.C. Tak 135mm f3.5  w/ case, etc   $55
Tele-Takumar 200mm f5.6  w/ case, etc $55
 (one hood which fits either - first come/first served)
SuperTak 200mm f4 $75
SMC-K 400mm f5.6   w/ case, UV, etc   $275 

Yaschica A  TLR   $50
ProgramPlus   $75
Spotmatic II  (sticky mirror/fixable) $35
Spotmatic 500   ( ditto ) $20

SMC-A 50mm f2 $40
Yaschica 50mm f1.4  (m42) $25
(2) SMC Tak 55mm f2   $25

- ProgramPlus & a K lens gets *Free* Takumar 28-80 zoom!
- Tele & 55/50mm gets *Free* SP500 
... add $7 for North America USPS shipping
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RE: Program Plus Batteries

[Ron Bhanukitsiri]

The Program Plus uses two 1.5V silver-oxide or alkaline
button cell or one 3V equv.  You should be able to find
them in most drug stores.

Ron B[ee]

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This is from James Adams, whose messages to PDML don't seem to be getting
through:

Can anyone tell me what batteries I need for the Program Plus. The Ebay
seller forgot to re-fit the batteries before shipping it. The Prog. Plus is
supposed to be arriving by UPS today. James



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RE: Film scanners?

[TM]

Mishka-
Thanks. I shouldn't say "never," but I really don't foresee myself
getting into MF, so that is not a consideration. However, I do need
a flatbed scanner anyway for documents, that's why I ask whether it
is a huge trade-off to use a flatbed scanner for negatives. I can get
by w/ a cheap $100 scanner for documents, but need to spend around $400
for a film scanner. With a good $400 flatbed, I wonder how much I'm
losing.

Taka

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Taka,
If you ever intend to scan MF negs/slides, flatbed is pretty much your
only option (short of selling your car). 
I would guess that the best flatbeds would outperform the cheapest slide
scanners. 
I know that Acer ScanWit is a piece of crap, no matter what the reviews
say (you will drown in noise). Nikon CoolScanIV (and the older, III) are
very decent ones and the cost is in your ballpark. Never laid my hands
on Minolta, so I can't say much here. 
Best,

Mishka.

> From: TM
> Subject: RE: Film scanners? 
> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 12:27:18 -0700 
> ---
> Thanks for the film scanner info. I know I get what I pay for, just
> want to see if getting the dedicated film scanner for under $400 is
> worth it or just to get the Epson 2450 flatbed, like JCO just did.
> 
> I'll be scanning print film color negatives, so probably easier than 
> B&W.
> 
> Taka
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RE: Film scanners?

[Mishka]

Taka,
If you ever intend to scan MF negs/slides, flatbed is pretty much your
only option (short of selling your car). 
I would guess that the best flatbeds would outperform the cheapest
slide scanners. 
I know that Acer ScanWit is a piece of crap, no matter what the reviews
say (you will drown in noise). Nikon CoolScanIV (and the older, III)
are very decent ones and the cost is in your ballpark. Never laid my
hands on Minolta, so I can't say much here. 
Best,

Mishka.

> From: TM 
> Subject: RE: Film scanners? 
> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 12:27:18 -0700 
> ---
> Thanks for the film scanner info. I know I get what I pay for, just
> want to see if getting the dedicated film scanner for under $400 is
> worth it or just to get the Epson 2450 flatbed, like JCO just did.
> 
> I'll be scanning print film color negatives, so probably easier than
> B&W.
> 
> Taka
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RE: REPOST:Best Soup for Tri-X & Plus-X

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
>
>
> My experience is that I was unable to get consistent
> results.  I'd soak
> the film for X minutes, develop, and get a result.  If it were
> satisfactory, I'd try it again, but the results would be
> different.  It
> just didn't work for me.  Maybe I didn't find the magic
> combination of
> pre soak time and developing technique.

Hmm. Weird. How long did you soak?

Jobo says you have to pre-soak for 5 minutes when using XTOL in the
rotary processor - maybe that's the magic time for water to completely
penetrate a film's emulsion?

Whatever, what you're doing works, so there's no reason to change. I
was having problems, and the pre-soak helped.

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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Bill D. Casselberry]

Mishka wrote:
 
> For those saying it's difficult:
> Olympus Stylus Epic, street price $100 for the whole camera,
>  35mm/2.8 lens, shutter 4-1/1000s.

Yeah, but like all the P&S mentioned - these are all
separate viewfinder type cameras. If you want TTL viewing
you need the mirror box and an open leaf shutter which then
mandates a second focal plane shutter or some other mechanism
to keep light off the film 'til you actually shoot.

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RE: Program Plus Batteries

[tom]

> -Original Message-
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>
>
> This is from James Adams, whose messages to PDML don't seem
> to be getting through:
>
> Can anyone tell me what batteries I need for the Program
> Plus. The Ebay
> seller forgot to re-fit the batteries before shipping it.
> The Prog. Plus is
> supposed to be arriving by UPS today. James

Mine has a pair of EPX76 energizers in it. There's also a single
battery that will take their plaqce, but I don't remember the name...

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RE: REPOST:Best Soup for Tri-X & Plus-X

[tom]

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>
> On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 03:12  PM, tom wrote:
>
> > Yeah, but you use a Jobo and agitate constantly!
>
> I do now, and I also recognize that many developers are
> worthless in the
> Jobo for precisely that reason.

I know, I know, it's Friday happy hour, I'm just giving you a hard
time.

I raise my Bass to all the hard-working home-processing PDMLers!

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Re: REPOST:Best Soup for Tri-X & Plus-X

[Shel Belinkoff]

My experience is that I was unable to get consistent results.  I'd soak
the film for X minutes, develop, and get a result.  If it were
satisfactory, I'd try it again, but the results would be different.  It
just didn't work for me.  Maybe I didn't find the magic combination of
pre soak time and developing technique.

tom wrote:
> 
On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff

> > I don't recommend a pre soak.  It has, for me, 
> > upset the development time and i could never get 
> > consistent results.  It has been said that
> > when the film has received a pre soak, uptake of 
> > developer may not be consistent.
> 
> It's consistent, it's just consistently different. It might be
> important to give the pre-soak enough time to totally soak in.
> 
> The reason I do it is because I often load wet reels. When doing so
> you get little water droplets on the film, and I have a sneaking
> suspicion these little drops cause changes in density. If you have a
> really wet tank/reels you can get actual streaks.

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Program Plus Batteries

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This is from James Adams, whose messages to PDML don't seem to be getting through:

Can anyone tell me what batteries I need for the Program Plus. The Ebay 
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Re: REPOST:Best Soup for Tri-X & Plus-X

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 03:12  PM, tom wrote:

> Yeah, but you use a Jobo and agitate constantly!

I do now, and I also recognize that many developers are worthless in the 
Jobo for precisely that reason.  I love Rodinal in hand tanks.  I hate 
Rodinal in the Jobo.

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Myrtle Beach? temp off list

[CBWaters]

I'm going on vacation with the family for a week so I'll be off-list for a
week as of tomorrow. (would you have noticed?)
Anyone in the Carolinas have a good place to get Tri-X processed in Myrtle
Beach?  I'll have lots of family members who'll want to see what I've been
shooting all week ;)

Have a good week, list

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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Shel Belinkoff]

They do not have leaf shutters.  The Leica has a horizontal running
cloth focal plane shutter.

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:

> Johan Schoone wrote:
> I haven't seen leaf shutters that can do 1/1000.

> The Leica M rangefinders have long been able to 
> reach 1/1000 second. So could the Leica CL and 
> Minolta CLE,I think.

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RE: Re[2]: how good

[tom]

> -Original Message-
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>
>
> Last but not least, can you tell us which features of the
> MZ-S got your
> sold?  Remember, some features that you like may be
> unimportant to others.
> I certainly like the height of the RTF, 24mm coverage with red-eye
> reduction.
> Having the DOFP when the lens is set to A is a big plus.
> The mirror lock
> is a big plus.  MOre info in the viewfinder than PZ-1 - a
> big improvemnt
> (though many were in the PZ-1p).  Can't think of any other
> features that
> would be a big seller to me.

The BG-10 (AA's and vertical release), superior finder (for manual
focusing), superior AF, and superior metering were big selling points
for me...

I like the interface better too.

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FS: AF Sigma 35-70/3.5-4.5

[T Rittenhouse]

Pre-ebay offer to the list asking $40 + $10 Insured Priority Mail in US.
This is the lens I used for a lot of my static aircraft photos. It is very
sharp and has little distortion. In box with all papers, including blank
warrenty card. It is about ex+.

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FS: SMC Pentax-A 135/2.8

[T Rittenhouse]

Pre-ebay offer to the list asking $100 + $10 Insured Priority Mail in US.
A great mid-tele manual focus lens. Works in program mode with the AF
Pentaxs  It is about ex+.

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FS: SMC Pentax 24/2.8.

[T Rittenhouse]

Pre-ebay offer to the list asking $200 + $10 Insured Priority Mail in US. 
This is the one that everybody says is so very good. It is about ex+. 

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FS: SMC Pentax-M 50/1.7

[T Rittenhouse]

Pre-ebay offer to the list asking $75 + $10 Insured Priority Mail in US.
Great fast manual focus lens. This particular lens seems to be extremely
sharp, it was very hard to decide whether to sell it or my 1.4 which is not
quite as fantastic as this 1.7. It is about ex++. Original Pentax caps.

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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

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Johan Schoone wrote:
I haven't seen leaf shutters that can do 1/1000.

It's rare, but it's there:

A few of the AF point-and-shoot compacts, such as the Olympus Stylus Epic, can do 
1/1000 second. 

Back in the 1980s, the Olympus XA-4 could do 1/750 second. 

The Vivitar 35 EM, a late 70s or 1980s knockoff of the Minox 35, reached 1/1000 second.

The Leica M rangefinders have long been able to reach 1/1000 second. So could the 
Leica CL and Minolta CLE,I think.

In the 1950s, according to http://www.cameraquest.com, one of the Zeiss Ikons achieved 
1/1250 second! 

In APS, the Contact Tix can do 1/800  or 1/1000 second, I think. The Canon Elph Jr., 
1/800.

If the recently introduced Contax T* 3 can surpass 1/500 second, I'd like to know.

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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Mishka]

For those saying it's difficult:
Olympus Stylus Epic, street price $100 for the whole camera, 35mm/2.8
lens, shutter 4-1/1000s. 
As far as OPC, Pentax is making it for 645 and 67. Seems like a logical
step to make one or too for 35mm as well. SMC-FA 85mm/2 LS -- wouldn't
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RE: Re[2]: how good

[Ron Bhanukitsiri]

Thank you Bruce for the info you've supplied.  First of all, I
suggest that we refrain from making remarks about the poster and
concentrate on the facts.  This will be more helpful to the
originator of this thread in helping him/her decide.

I'm not writing a review of the MZ-S which is why there's no
detail of any positive remarks.  I assume the person can find
those positive quality he/she likes.  I'm only offering my
opinion of some of what I considered a negative quality of the
MZ-S.  Please keep in mind that I'm not an SLR designer :-(.

RB> o 1/180 flash sync speed - I can't understand how Pentax could go
backward
RB>   on this!  The PZ-1 has a nice 1/250!  1/180 is in nowhere land, like
the
RB> 1/100
RB>   sync that came down all the way from the ME!

B> On the one hand you applaud the smaller size and weight and then
B> critizice it for making minor concessions to achieve it.  The shutter
B> determines both top speed and top flash synch.  The shutter in the
B> PZ-1p is bigger, heavier, louder and more bouncy.  What Pentax has
B> done is used a refined, quieter, better damped shutter at the expense
B> of about 1/2 stop.  I have used both and there is really not much
B> difference.

Perhaps, but please bear in mind that the PZ-1 (same shutter as the PZ-1p)
was introduced back in 1991.  I sincerely hope that material science and
mechanical engineering has advanced a lot in 10 years!

RB> o 0.75X viewfinder magnification.  I don't understand why less
magnification
RB>   is better.  I understand the high eyepoint, etc. When I look through
my MX
RB>   (0.98X magnification) with my 24mm lens, I can really see the
perspective
RB>   effect (near-far, etc.).  On my old SuperProgram with 0.82X, it was
more
RB>   difficult but still useable. Same goes for 0.8X of the PZ-1 which I
think
RB>   is at the limit, but 0.86X would be nicer.

B> Viewfinders are always a land of compromise.  I would love to hear
B> from someone with knowledge about what decisions went in to the design
B> of this particular finder.  Moving from the PZ-1p to the MZ-S has not
B> caused me to long for the PZ-1p.  In fact, I really didn't notice any
B> negative differences.

Compromise?  Agreed with you 100%.  But put yourself in my shoes, I'm coming
from a MX with 0.98X magnification ;-).

RB> o Still no flash compensation!

B> There you are wrong my friend.  Pentax changed the nature of flash
B> compensation.  They now work like Nikon, Canon and Minolta - that is -
B> the flash compensation is built into the flash rather than the body.
B> The new AF360FGZ has full flash compensation and high speed synch (up
B> to 1/6000) to boot.  Most uses of fill flash in bright light are for
B> portraits - shadow filling and eye catchlights.  The MZ-S is an
B> improvement over the PZ-1p.

Thank you very much for pointing out this info.  The 360FGZ is a new flash
to me and I don't have much info about it yet.  Much obliged.

RB>  If the MZ-S price tag was $500, perhaps I could live these RB>
RB>shortcomings.  But at $900, well it's certainly a cause for a pause.
RB>So I've been thinking that perhaps I should wait for an "MZ-Sn" and
RB>get a lightweight ZX-L (with all its short comings) in the meantime.

B> I don't know where you got $900 from.  I paid $800 for both of mine. I
B> guess the funny thing about your post, is you failed to note any of
B> the positives of the MZ-S over the PZ-1p.  If nothing about the new
B> camera is important, you would do best to stay with what you have.

My apology.  You're right; the price is $799.95 from B&H.

B> Sorry for sounding a little ornery, but your post came across as very
B> uninformed and you only compared a few features.  Very biased, in my
B> opinion.  What I can tell you is that the style and philosophy of
B> these two cameras are different.  In most of the discussions those who
B> like the Canon Robo style of interface (spinning dials - all control
B> in the body) prefer the PZ-1p.  Those who like the more retro
B> interface (LX, SuperProgram, ZX-5n) prefer the MZ-S.

Relax, Bruce.  I wasn't trying to criticize your MZ-S, only offering my
opinion.  I'm entitled to an opinion, right ;-)?

B> You really should try using one to see what you really think.

I would, but at $800, I must be a little more cautious at my hard earned
dough ;-).  When the PZ-1 came out, there was not doubt that it was the
SLR I wanted (despite its size and weight at the time).

Last but not least, can you tell us which features of the MZ-S got your
sold?  Remember, some features that you like may be unimportant to others.
I certainly like the height of the RTF, 24mm coverage with red-eye
reduction.
Having the DOFP when the lens is set to A is a big plus.  The mirror lock
is a big plus.  MOre info in the viewfinder than PZ-1 - a big improvemnt
(though many were in the PZ-1p).  Can't think of any other features that
would be a big seller to me.

Wishing you much happiness Bruce from your new MZ-S.

Ron B[ee]
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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm?

[Collin Brendemuehl]

You can get 1/1000 from the shutter of the old Super Graphic and 1/750 from the 
shutter on a
Fuji GA645.



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Re: Film scanners?

[Maris V. Lidaka Sr.]

Because it generally captures *all* of the information on the film without
clipping highlights or shadows, and does so with a minimum amount of
adjustment.  Many (including myself) prefer to adjust highlights, shadows,
contrast etc. using Photoshop or a similar graphics program where the image
can be seen better and more accurately than in the scanning software and
adjustments can therefore be made more accurately.

The alternative is to set the highlights and shadows and make the other
adjustments in the scanning software (though my concern is that, given to
poor view of the image in the scanning software I might clip narrower than I
would otherwise have wanted), but one is going to open the image in
Photoshop anyway to examine it and more likely than not will have to make
further adjustments - why do it twice?

Maris

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From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Film scanners?


> Why is Vuescan a better choice than most other programs, and, seemingly,
> better, or more highly praised, than the factory software?
>
> Mishka wrote:
>
> > One more think: when you read the reviews, ignore *all* the talks about
> > software. There's a VueScan program that runs pretty much all the
> > scanners on most platforms (win32, linux, mac in all its incarnations)
> > and it is *very good* (only $45 if I remember correctly)
>
> --
> Shel Belinkoff
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RE: Film scanners?

[TM]

Thanks for the film scanner info. I know I get what I pay for, just
want to see if getting the dedicated film scanner for under $400 is
worth it or just to get the Epson 2450 flatbed, like JCO just did.

I'll be scanning print film color negatives, so probably easier than
B&W.

Taka
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RE: Film scanners?

[TM]

Bruce, thanks.

Considering that the Epson 2450 is a flatbed and around the same
price (thus more versatile), I wonder how much I'd give up by getting
the Epson over a dedicated film scanner? I need a flatbed for other
stuff as well.

I'm putting a moratorium on purchasing of photo equipment until I
go and take some more photos.

Taka
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Re: RE: Sorry,more home proccessing

[David Brooks]

Thanks Aaron,Shel,Tom.I think colour is quite a 
ways off so i can cancel the trip to the fish 
store:)I remember the heating of water being 
brought up,did not realize that the colour end 
was more crtical.
I thought that might be the best way,put a tray 
of water out during the day and let it adjust 
to the room.As Martha would 
say,Tupperware,thats a good thing:)
Aaron,free stuff??Doh.I'll probably have 
another IR roll soon,i dont want to make it my 
first attempt at developing.Sacrafice a roll of 
120 we will.

Dave


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Re: Re: Sorry,more home proccessing

[David Brooks]

Thanks for the info Bill.Looks like a trip to 
Home Depot/Henrys/Aarons for trays etc.
BTW i had some proofs done of the IR roll 
taken last month.I think 2-3 are worthy of a 
scan and insertion on my site.The ones of the 
tree/wire look very eerie Aaron.

dave

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From: "Bill D. Casselberry" 
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Sent: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:39:31 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sorry,more home proccessing


 David wrote:
 
> > Hi all.I am going to assume that one pre 
mixes
> > his or her chemicals for home developing 
prior
> > to starting the proccess.

Yes - you mix up the bagful of chems 
first. I use
those plastic gallon or 1/2 gallon 
fruit juice jugs
and keep'em in a dark closet.

> > My ??? to those is,whaat do you use as far 
as
> > chemical holders and what is a good way to 
get
> > the chemicals,rinse water etc to the
> > recommended temps

For the amounts used in the developing 
tank, I use wide-
mouth salsa jars or similar for easy 
return of stop, fixer
& hypo-clearing solutions. I discard 
developer after one use.

To bring all chems up to temperature I 
use a simple water
bath in a container in the bathtub. I 
fill it enough that it
surrounds the jars well and run 
it "warm to the touch". I put
the thermometer in w/ the jars and read 
the temp after things
have stabilized (~15-20 minutes). Then 
I use that time/temp
data from the film's info-sheet for 
developing, removing each
solution as needed. The temp seems to 
stay close enough thru
the different steps. I do check the 
actual developer temp
itself before deciding on the 
developing time, though.

Care should be taken - but it's 
not "rocket science"   ;^)

Bill

        
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OT: Gerrard 600

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

continuing the off-topic search for the Portland Hotel which may be of
interest to some people other than me and Lasse, today I had a look
in the London telephone directory for 1920. In fact, there are 2
directories for that year, issued in April and October, which I
suppose reflects the rate at which people were getting wired.

The Portland Hotel is listed directly under His Grace the Duke of
Portland, who probably owns the freeholds in that part of London,
and was, as expected, on Great Portland Street, W1. Unfortunately
the directory doesn't list the building number. So although we've
narrowed it down, we haven't found it yet.

Great Portland Street is very close to my office, so I walked the
length of the street today on the off chance that some trace would
remain. The architecture of the street is predominantly Edwardian and
late Victorian, but there is a significant number of post-war
buildings so it's quite possible that the original building no longer
exists.

The candidate that seems most likely to me of the existing buildings,
is on the corner of Gt. Portland St. and Clipstone St. It has a
distinctly hotel-like entrance, and looks as though it could easily
have been a hotel. It is a pleasant half-hour stroll downhill via
Regent's Street, Piccadilly and St. James's St. to St. James's Palace
for any diplomat attending a League of Nations meeting. However, I have
no evidence that this is the building. I may go in and ask, but the chances
of the receptionist knowing anything are small.

The telephone number is Gerrard 600. My mobile phone is unable to get
a connection. Maybe the Gerrard St. exchange isn't digital. But I
have a functional old Belgian Bakelite telephone, so perhaps that'll
work .

Tally-ho, Jeeves!

Bob
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RE: REPOST:Best Soup for Tri-X & Plus-X

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aaron Reynolds
>
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 12:11  PM, tom wrote:
>
> > One flip is about 1 or 1.5 seconds of agitation,
> amounting to 2 or 3
> > secs of agitation per minute. I've never seen a recommendation for
> > less than 5 secs of agitation per minute unless you're
> doing something
> > weird like stand developing.
>
> Sure you have, you just saw me recommend it!  ;)

Yeah, but you use a Jobo and agitate constantly!

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RE: REPOST:Best Soup for Tri-X & Plus-X

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
>
>
> I don't recommend a pre soak.  It has, for me, upset the development
> time and i could never get consistent results.  It has been
> said that
> when the film has received a pre soak, uptake of developer
> may not be
> consistent.

It's consistent, it's just consistently different. It might be
important to give the pre-soak enough time to totally soak in.

The reason I do it is because I often load wet reels. When doing so
you get little water droplets on the film, and I have a sneaking
suspicion these little drops cause changes in density. If you have a
really wet tank/reels you can get actual streaks.

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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Tim Engel]

03 May 02  Mishka  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Which brings me to the question, does anyone know, what may be the
> reason for not making leaf shutter lenses for 35mm SLRs, like they have
> for P-6x7 (and almost everything 6x6)? That would bring sync speed to
> the *really* nice 1/1000!


Mishka,

I'm just guessing, but...
Cost,
Complexity, (ease of manufacture, reliability, cost again... ),
Slower  fastest shutter speeds.

The cost-benefit ratio probably doesn't make as much sense in a primarily
consumer-market, hand-held camera like a 35mm SLR.   But for MF or LF
cameras that are more often used for studio work,  and in a professional
market where cost is less of an issue,  an in-lens leaf shutter is probably
easier to justify.

On the other hand,  some Topcon models were made with a "lens shutter"
rather than a focal plane shutter.   I've always assumed that implied a leaf
shutter, but never looked into it in detail.

Topcon PR II / DeJUR DEKON-SR -1960 - Lens Shutter Reflex
WINK MIRROR - 1960 - Lens Shutter Reflex
WINK E MIRROR / TOPCONETTE Beseler - 1962 - Lens Shutter Reflex
WINK S MIRROR- 1963 - Lens Shutter Reflex
WINK MIRROR (Prototype) - 1962 - Lens Shutter Reflex
WINK MIRROR S II (Prototype) - 1963 - Lens Shutter Reflex
UNI / RE Auto Hanimex / AUTO 100 Beseler 54 A 1965 Lens Shutter Reflex
UNIREX - 1969 - Lens Shutter Reflex
UNIREX EE - 1970 - Lens Shutter Reflex

OPC (Obligatory Pentax Content) --
Pentax claims the first automatic-shutter camera (aperture priority AE) in
the ES, introduced in 1971.   But isn't there some debate that they were
beaten to the punch by (?) the Topcon Unirex EE, introduced in 1970 ?   I'm
working with some old neurons here, so I'm not certain...

Regards,
Tim Engel
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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Mishka]

Rollei does 1/1000:
http://www.rollei.de/cct/files/rollei/data/DB_System6000_d.pdf

There're lots of cheap 35mm cameras (e.g. all p&s) that have LS lenses,
so it can't be *that* difficult. 

> From: Johan Schoone 
> Subject: Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good) 
> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 10:24:46 -0700 
>
> Maybe because of their complexity.
>
> I haven't seen leaf shutters that can do 1/1000. They usually max out

> at 1/500, some at 1/400.
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Re: REPOST:Best Soup for Tri-X & Plus-X

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 10:26  AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> I don't recommend a pre soak.  It has, for me, upset the development
> time and i could never get consistent results.  It has been said that
> when the film has received a pre soak, uptake of developer may not be
> consistent.

I have never read this.  Where did you see it?

>
> I'd like to get some comments regarding consistent, or inconsistent,
> development due to the pre soak.

All the work I do here at the lab is presoaked, and I would, without 
hesitation, say that our pre-soaked black & white is very consistent.

> I see no benefit to it IAC, but of course, I am prejudiced to my own
> style and technique.

I've found it useful for reducing base density and for eliminating air 
bubbles.

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Re: Pentax Winder LX

[andre]

>Having just bought a winder LX, I have a question.  Does anyone else 
>find it extremely loud, or do I possibly have a bad one.  The winder 
>itself (the gearing and motor) sound loud.  I would imagine whatever 
>I am shooting would get startled after the first shot and bolt.
>
>Jeff -

With LX + winder, I take photos of performing musicians (without 
disturbing flash) and sometimes, when the music is low, I do disturb 
everybody with a "loud photo" because of the winder...  Also, I did 
use the winder's auto rewind feature a few times and once I had to 
rush the body under my coat as the music went down...

Pentax made a "blimp case" for the LX but it is uncommon and 
expensive, even used.  It's made for body without a winder.  I need a 
solution...  I'll think about a piece of leather (with thin - 5mm - 
evazote foam glued to it) that would fit around the body + winder 
(with a hole for the grip, and one for the lens mount). To make it 
simple, it would not cover the prism and I'd use quiet snaps instead 
of loud velcro as I would have to take it out to change film.

Andre

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RE: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Paris, Leonard]

I can only guess. So here goes:

I haven't seen any leaf shutter lenses in the range of f/1.2 or f/1.4.
Could be design difficulties, perhaps?

There'd still have to be a sort of focal plane shutter and mirror
arrangement, like the hasselblad, because you'd have to have at least one
shutter closed while composing and focusing so that you don't expose the
film.  I guess a Dark slide could be used, too.

We'd lose all of our speeds above 1/1000.

Now, with the MZ-S and the flash designed for it, we get flash synch at high
speeds, above 1/180th.

I'm sure there are a zillion other little things to consider but I keep
getting interrupted here at work, so I can't sit down and think it all
through in detail.

Len
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Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)


Which brings me to the question, does anyone know, what may be the
reason for not making leaf shutter lenses for 35mm SLRs, like they have
for P-6x7 (and almost everything 6x6)? That would bring sync speed to
the *really* nice 1/1000!

> From: Ron Bhanukitsiri 
> Subject: RE: how good 
> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:56:27 -0700 
> 
> -
> 
>  1/180 flash sync speed - I can't understand how Pentax could go 
> backward on this!  The PZ-1 has a nice 1/250!  1/180 is in nowhere 
> land, like the 1/100 sync that came down all the way from the ME!
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Re: REPOST:Best Soup for Tri-X & Plus-X

[Evan Hanson]

I never heard of that one before, now I have several things to
try this weekend.  Just like I tell my kids you learn something
new everyday.

Evan

Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> 

> Sure you have, you just saw me recommend it!  ;)
> 
> Pre-soak is a good tip that I forgot to throw in.  Evan, definitely soak
> your negs in plain water for a minute or so before the developer.  The
> water will come out with a colour to it, when you pour it out of the
> tank.  Don't worry, that's normal.
> 
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Re: leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Johan Schoone]

In local.pentax, you wrote:
> Which brings me to the question, does anyone know, what may be the
> reason for not making leaf shutter lenses for 35mm SLRs, like they have
> for P-6x7 (and almost everything 6x6)? That would bring sync speed to
> the *really* nice 1/1000!

Maybe because of their complexity.

I haven't seen leaf shutters that can do 1/1000. They usually max out at
1/500, some at 1/400.
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Re: Pentax Winder LX

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: Jeff Post
Subject: Pentax Winder LX


> Having just bought a winder LX, I have a question.  Does
anyone else find
> it extremely loud, or do I possibly have a bad one.  The
winder itself (the
> gearing and motor) sound loud.  I would imagine whatever I am
shooting
> would get startled after the first shot and bolt.

Mine sounds like a Massey-Harris tractor on over run.
Yes, they are loud.

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Re: REPOST:Best Soup for Tri-X & Plus-X

[Shel Belinkoff]

I don't recommend a pre soak.  It has, for me, upset the development
time and i could never get consistent results.  It has been said that
when the film has received a pre soak, uptake of developer may not be
consistent.

I'd like to get some comments regarding consistent, or inconsistent,
development due to the pre soak.

I see no benefit to it IAC, but of course, I am prejudiced to my own
style and technique.

Aaron Reynolds wrote:

> Pre-soak is a good tip that I forgot to throw in.  
> Evan, definitely soak your negs in plain water 
> for a minute or so before the developer.  The
> water will come out with a colour to it, when 
> you pour it out of the tank.  
-- 
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Re: Pentax 85/1.4 hood case (was: Re: A 72mm Metal Hood at last)

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Well, I guess Americans interested in the leather hood case would do better to write 
to the aforementioned EBay seller, who couldn't unload the case and hood for $20.

But you blokes in the Old World...

PS: As soon as I posted my offer to sell the hood case to N. America and Europe, I saw 
a post by Robb Studdert and remembered how he took me to task for not shipping Down 
Under. Yes, I'll ship it anywhere!

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Re: REPOST:Best Soup for Tri-X & Plus-X

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 12:11  PM, tom wrote:

> One flip is about 1 or 1.5 seconds of agitation, amounting to 2 or 3
> secs of agitation per minute. I've never seen a recommendation for
> less than 5 secs of agitation per minute unless you're doing something
> weird like stand developing.

Sure you have, you just saw me recommend it!  ;)

Pre-soak is a good tip that I forgot to throw in.  Evan, definitely soak 
your negs in plain water for a minute or so before the developer.  The 
water will come out with a colour to it, when you pour it out of the 
tank.  Don't worry, that's normal.

-Aaron
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Re: Pentax on Camera Direct Site

[Camdir]

Fred.

The site is due for a tart-up soon - I know. 

Unfortunately I will have to stop reading the digests in order to make time 
to do this. :(

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Re[2]: how good

[Bruce Dayton]

Ron,

I've got to reply to this.  Bear in mind that for quite awhile I owned
and heavily used 2 PZ-1p's and like them very much.  I now own 2
MZ-S's.

See my comments below


Bruce



Friday, May 03, 2002, 9:08:16 AM, you wrote:

RB> I'm in the same boat ;-).  Although I haven't seen the MZ-S yet, I
RB> immediately
RB> was ready to spring for one, seeing that it's smaller and lighter than my
RB> PZ-1.
RB> I applaud the new design, smaller and lighter body.  But here's a cause for
RB> a
RB> pause ;-).

RB> o 1/180 flash sync speed - I can't understand how Pentax could go backward
RB>   on this!  The PZ-1 has a nice 1/250!  1/180 is in nowhere land, like the
RB> 1/100
RB>   sync that came down all the way from the ME!

On the one hand you applaud the smaller size and weight and then
critizice it for making minor concessions to achieve it.  The shutter
determines both top speed and top flash synch.  The shutter in the
PZ-1p is bigger, heavier, louder and more bouncy.  What Pentax has
done is used a refined, quieter, better damped shutter at the expense
of about 1/2 stop.  I have used both and there is really not much
difference.


RB> o 0.75X viewfinder magnification.  I don't understand why less magnification
RB>   is better.  I understand the high eyepoint, etc. When I look through my MX
RB>   (0.98X magnification) with my 24mm lens, I can really see the perspective
RB>   effect (near-far, etc.).  On my old SuperProgram with 0.82X, it was more
RB>   difficult but still useable. Same goes for 0.8X of the PZ-1 which I think
RB>   is at the limit, but 0.86X would be nicer.

Viewfinders are always a land of compromise.  I would love to hear
from someone with knowledge about what decisions went in to the design
of this particular finder.  Moving from the PZ-1p to the MZ-S has not
caused me to long for the PZ-1p.  In fact, I really didn't notice any
negative differences.

RB> o Still no flash compensation!

There you are wrong my friend.  Pentax changed the nature of flash
compensation.  They now work like Nikon, Canon and Minolta - that is -
the flash compensation is built into the flash rather than the body.
The new AF360FGZ has full flash compensation and high speed synch (up
to 1/6000) to boot.  Most uses of fill flash in bright light are for
portraits - shadow filling and eye catchlights.  The MZ-S is an
improvement over the PZ-1p.

RB> o Top speed of 1/6000 - again in nowhere land.  However, this one
RB> is just knit picking since I rarely used 1/8000 on my PZ-1.

This goes hand in hand with the above comments on shutters.

RB>  If the MZ-S price tag was $500, perhaps I could live these RB>
RB>shortcomings.  But at $900, well it's certainly a cause for a pause.
RB>So I've been thinking that perhaps I should wait for an "MZ-Sn" and
RB>get a lightweight ZX-L (with all its short comings) in the meantime.

I don't know where you got $900 from.  I paid $800 for both of mine. I
guess the funny thing about your post, is you failed to note any of
the positives of the MZ-S over the PZ-1p.  If nothing about the new
camera is important, you would do best to stay with what you have.

Sorry for sounding a little ornery, but your post came across as very
uninformed and you only compared a few features.  Very biased, in my
opinion.  What I can tell you is that the style and philosophy of
these two cameras are different.  In most of the discussions those who
like the Canon Robo style of interface (spinning dials - all control
in the body) prefer the PZ-1p.  Those who like the more retro
interface (LX, SuperProgram, ZX-5n) prefer the MZ-S.

You really should try using one to see what you really think.

RB> Just one of my 35 opinions,
RB> Ron B[ee]

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RB> Subject: how good


RB> mz-s is it any good?
RB> i have a pz-1 and am looking to up grade
RB> is it worth it
RB> also i have heard good things about the tokina 100-300mm lend f4 has any one
RB> else
RB> also is the 24-90mm lens of pentax any good?
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85/1.4 Pentax hood, case (was:Re: A 72mm Metal Hood at last )

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You bought an 85 hood for a 300? Did you get the soft case with the hood?  

Yes, Peter, the hood is brand new. It was one of three new ones for sale on US EBay 
last week, all from different sellers I bought one, the other went for I guess around 
$27, the third, incredibly, received no bids, though it opened at $20 ( 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1347493628 ). That seller keeps 
trying, but never gets bids. 

If anyone wants to buy the case-brand new--I'll sell it (PayPal-cash or PayPal credit 
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Peter, if he so asks). 

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Pentax on Camera Direct Site

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Freed wrote:
It would look a lot nicer to us Pentaxers (many of whom are your customers, I would 
like to "subtly" point out - ) to see the Home page links 
read as "Nikon" and "Pentax", rather than "Nikon" and "Other Brands" 
(of which you have only Pentax, anyway, at the moment, right?). 

Fred,
I love to visit sites that label Pentax or Ricoh under Other; that's how I found my XR 
Rikenon 28-100/4, LN-, for $75! Well, Pentax was under Pentax, but Ricoh was under 
Other; you get the picture.

Similarly, there's a site (whose name escapes me) where the link to Pentax K is 
broken, the link to Pentax Medium Format works, and you can reach K from there!

I'm reminded of how most drivers feel when they're circling a busy parking lot and see 
what appears to be a vacant space, only to discover that the adjacent car is over the 
line, making entry impossible. Hey--if that car had been properly parked, the vacant 
space would have been snatched up before you got there.

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leaf shutter for 35mm? (was RE: how good)

[Mishka]

Which brings me to the question, does anyone know, what may be the
reason for not making leaf shutter lenses for 35mm SLRs, like they have
for P-6x7 (and almost everything 6x6)? That would bring sync speed to
the *really* nice 1/1000!

> From: Ron Bhanukitsiri 
> Subject: RE: how good 
> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:56:27 -0700 
> 
> -
> 
>  1/180 flash sync speed - I can't understand how Pentax could go 
> backward on this!  The PZ-1 has a nice 1/250!  1/180 is in nowhere 
> land, like the 1/100 sync that came down all the way from the ME!
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RE: Will Pentax join Olympus?

[Christopher Lillja]

Kodak made some world class lenses over the years and I'm sure they have ample 
resourses to do so again.

I have a 100mm "luminized" (single coated) Ektar on my 3x4 Speed Graphic and it's a 
truly fabulous lens.

>>Oh, those well known lens manufacturers!

> 
> >As far as I can see, this is currently a consortium of one!
> 
> 
> No both Fuji, Panasonic and Kodak are involved.

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Re[6]: Will Pentax join Olympus?

[Alin Flaider]

Leonard wrote:

PL> If you have enough DOF, bokeh is not an issue. 

  Right. No DOF for me, please.

PL> When you say "an order of magnitude", do you mean that you can enlarge 35mm
PL> ten times larger than a digital image?

  No. It was just a figure of style. At its best, 35mm film can be
  enlarged 3-5 times more than an image produced by a 6 MP chip.
  10 times may be valid for large format, though.

  Servus, Alin
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Re: Sorry,more home proccessing

[Bill D. Casselberry]

 Shel, on temp consistency, wrote:
 
> The problem as I understood it was reticulation, not grain clumping per
> se.  Try as I might, I can't get reticulation at all these days.

I also got that impression from the posting. It seemed as if 
it was of a long past time. I have only achieved reticulation
once, w/ Konica 750nm IR film which has this tendency due to
some intrinsic film base/emulsion characteristic. It came about
as a result of the wash water from the tub faucet shifting to
a higher temperature due to my inattention. I kinda liked the
cool "mosaic background" effect, though I probably wouldn't
repeat it on purpose  ;^)

A few of the images from that roll are up in my InfraRed Section
on the website hot-linked below ...

Bill
 
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Re: Will Pentax join Olympus?

[W.Xato]

Think of Olympus position this way. Canon and Nikon
are stuck with their 24x36 platforms because of their
huge user base while Olympus has been phasing out for
years. Olympus does a little research and finds that
it is difficult to produce 24x36 CCD or CMOS sensors
even given significant evolution in manufacturing
technology and that the optimal price
point/manufacturing ease/highest megapixel density is
with a 4/3 inch chip. Further they find that they can
design and sell an equivalent 17-35/2, 35-100/2,
80/200/2, 300/2, 400/2.8 & 600/4 lens for half what
the competition is doing in a system that not only has
the same resolution and capabilities and weighs a
fraction of the traditional systems. We'll see how it
all works out in 5 years.



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Re: Sorry,more home proccessing

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Ken ...

I've wondered about that recently.  I used to work very hard to maintain
constant temperature across the entire process, but a couple of years
ago, in an Ilford or Kodak instruction sheet, or in one of kodak's photo
guides, it was clearly  stated that as long as the stop, fix, and rinse
are within a few degrees of the development temperature, results will be
satisfactory.  

The problem as I understood it was reticulation, not grain clumping per
se.  Try as I might, I can't get reticulation at all these days. 
However, I agree that one should try to maintain an even temperature
throughout the process, and would even go so far to suggest maintaining
a 1-degree +/- tolerance.  I just wonder how necessary it is these days.

Ken Archer wrote:
> 
> I don't want to over react, but nothing could be further from the
> truth.  One of my first jobs was with R.W.Schott Photographic
> Specialists, Denver, CO.  Kokak tech reps often brought other
> photographers to tour our lab to see how it was supposed to be done.
> We had all the temp control systems anyone could want and we had one
> rule that noone violated.  There could not be over one (1) degree F
> difference between chemicals when you finished developing film or you
> were FIRED, and there was zero tolerance.  I was told that was because
> rapid changes in temperature between chemical baths caused grain to
> clump and, therefore, increase apparent grain.  We worked with 35mm and
> Leicas and Bob didn't want it screwed up in the darkroom.  I still
> don't violate that rule some 36 years later.
> 
> On Friday 03 May 2002 08:55 am, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> > Temperature is not so critical in stop, fix or wash, as long as it's
> > not overly cold or hot.  Developer is the only really picky one.
> >
> > -Aaron
> On Friday 03 May 2002 08:59 am, tom wrote:
> > I'm very uptight about developer temp, but I can live with the stop
> > and fixer drifting a degree or so.
> >
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Re: Sorry,more home proccessing

[Shel Belinkoff]

I see you've received some replies already.

I prefer to use dark brown glass bottles for my stock solution of
developer, but, until I get more, I've been using the dark brown plastic
photo jugs that you can buy in any decent photo shop.  HOWEVER - BIG
CAVEAT HERE: Do not use jugs made by Kalt, or any jug made from #7
plastic.  I had a lot of trouble with them some time ago, and it was
determined - with some degree of certainty - that the unknown plastic in
the Kalt bottles was the culprit wrt oxidized and brown-colored
developer.

I use almost no temperature controls other than Mother Nature.  There's
a big jug of distilled water sitting atop the microwave oven, and
several smaller jugs of plain water sitting nearby.  Likewise the
container of fixer in working solution.

By keeping all the liquids in the same place, they all have the same
temperature, so maintaining equal temperature throughout the development
process is a snap.  I've found that the Jobo tanks keep the developer
temperature constant even over a period of 20 minutes.  I do use some
insulation between the counter top and the tank - usually it's nothing
more than a piece of cardboard or an old towel.

By using the Ilford fixing and rinse system there's no need for running
water to rinse the film, and water use is substantially reduced, as is
the time needed for the overall developing process. 

HTH,

David Brooks wrote:
> 
> Hi all.I am going to assume that one pre mixes
> his or her chemicals for home developing prior
> to starting the proccess.
> My ??? to those is,whaat do you use as far as
> chemical holders and what is a good way to get
> the chemicals,rinse water etc to the
> recommended temps.I think i say someone mention
> a fish tank heater,is this a good method

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Re: Will Pentax join Olympus?

[Mishka]

Rob, 
By the same token, because one has spent tons of cash for 55mm 67 lens,
there's no reason to make 35mm cameras where 50/2 often comes for free
;)
Besides, the 35mm equivalent of 67 55mm lens is what, roughly 24mm?
There are tons of those available for fraction of what one has to spend
for a MF lens.
To the point: if there'll be small and light and fast and inexpensive
wide angle glass for the new format, hell, I wouldn't mind spending a
hundred bucks for a top-notch equivalent of 35mm 20/2 that's half the
size and weight. 
In any event, all this is nothing but speculation. Let's see what
really comes up.

Mishka

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> Unless of course you've already spent a sh*t load of cash on wide
> Pentax K mount glass due to the promise of a Pentax K mount 135 full 
> frame
> digital body? 
> :-(
> 
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RE: Re[4]: Will Pentax join Olympus?

[Paris, Leonard]

If you have enough DOF, bokeh is not an issue. 

When you say "an order of magnitude", do you mean that you can enlarge 35mm
ten times larger than a digital image?

Len
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  Well, not necessarily. DOF also depends on COC (circle of
  confusion), which is inverse proportional to resolution. Hence,
  together with future higher resolution, we will see today's
  amazing DOF dropping towards... 35mm standards.

  It amazes me how many see film and digital as comparable - maybe
  because people look at proofs of the same size. Still, let's not
  forget film can be enlarged an order of magnitude further, so the
  DOF is the price we pay for more detail, bigger enlargements.

  Servus,  Alin (who also prefers good bokeh to high DOF)
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