Re: Cat likes PDML

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Careful what you say Deb, you're setting yourself up for a nasty joke :)

(I won't say it)

> My cat has really taken to this group.  

> Deb in TX
> and Bob the cat
 
Regards,

Brad




Re: PDML Members Portrait List

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Paul,

Thanks for the reminder!  I must change that picture! :)

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: PDML Members Portrait List


> Hi,
>
> Just popping in with a webpage update with pic's of the movers and shakers
> of PDML!
>
> Just pop on over to http://www.nrg666.com/pdml/portraits/
>
> If you've sent me your pic and its not there or you want to be added, then
> forward it to me offlist, with your name as file name and in a web
friendly
> size.
>
> I've also added a couple of links to the Website list at:
>
> http://www.nrg666.com/pdml/
>
> I'll be fixing a bit of the formatting on this page in the next few days.
>
> I've also increased the coverage of the robots.txt so hopefully it should
> stop anyone from crawling through the site.
>
> Regards,
> Paul Jones
>
>
>




Cat likes PDML

2002-10-15 Thread Debra Wilborn

My cat has really taken to this group.  Right now
she's asleep in front of the keyboard with her head on
a stack of photos awaiting the scanner.  Fortunately
the photos are in those cool vinyl pockets you get at
Wal-Mart.  Maybe I'll scan the cat instead and submit
to the PUG.

Oh, and I finally submitted an image for the PUG!! 
Now I'm all pumped for Nov. 1.

Deb in TX
and Bob the cat

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PDML Members Portrait List

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Jones

Hi,

Just popping in with a webpage update with pic's of the movers and shakers
of PDML!

Just pop on over to http://www.nrg666.com/pdml/portraits/

If you've sent me your pic and its not there or you want to be added, then
forward it to me offlist, with your name as file name and in a web friendly
size.

I've also added a couple of links to the Website list at:

http://www.nrg666.com/pdml/

I'll be fixing a bit of the formatting on this page in the next few days.

I've also increased the coverage of the robots.txt so hopefully it should
stop anyone from crawling through the site.

Regards,
Paul Jones






Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

yes, and I print off the real juvenile or insulting ones for them
to read, they find it quite funny.  My father said "I'm glad I own a
Minolta".

So, what is the point of your question Norm?

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Norm Baugher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***


> Dude, do your parents know you're on this list?
>
> Brad Dodo wrote:
>
> >Looks like a new email and identity may be needed!  Want to play, we can
> >play.
> >
> >
>
>
>





Re: No subject

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Read the list and grow up you juvenile.

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:55 PM


> Brad, stopm being an idiont on the list
> Give it up for all our sakes, some pleople pay for their internet
connections
> and don't want this rubbish
>





Re: Juvenile Behaviours

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Funny, another on the bandwagon.  You must be bored of real Pentax topics.
I just wrote that email.  I have contributed in the past. All the old-timers
are merely ganging up on me.  Your emails are juvenile, they serve no
purpose here.  Oh how easy it is to be a juvenile jerk in a mailing list.
Bet you wouldn't have the courage to say that to me directly in person.
Funny thing is, I've received over 2 dozen private emails supporting me or
sympathizing, explaining politely or just saying you and your cronies are
wrong.  I will not reveal them.  I thank them.  I do wonder what all the
juvenile people would have to say then if they posted directly to the list.
Are you just bored about the DSLR and speculating?  I think that a lot of
you are, and I provided an easy outlet for you to vent frustrations.

Oh and finally just to you Bob/tv, a killfile or rule won't stop a thing.
Hi!!

To the others, if you are as tired of this as I am, don't respond, because I
have been grossly insulted here and the level of maturity in general has
dropped and will feel the need to respond to insults and juvenile behaviour,
so if you want it to stop, leave things be.

OH, forgot one thing.  I printed one email from a member in Vancouver who
showed his contempt in the public school system.  I had some fellow teachers
read it, they all wanted the address of the list so they could respond in
kind.  I didn't want it to go as far as it has, so I politely declined their
offer.  I also told them of the insults, funny, they actually had swear
words to say about them.

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: Re:To the pentax spies


> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> >
> > Bob, you have just taken things too far.  At least I
> > apologized for my
> > words.  The rest is wasted.  But don't get too hopeful,
> > I like the PDML
> > and plan on being here for a long long time.
> > With valid
> > contributions of
> > course.
>
> When do you plan to start? You haven't contributed anything useful as
> of now.
>
> I've never actually had to do this, but I'm setting up a killfile just
> for you.
>
> Buh-bye.
>
> tv
>
>





Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Heh, sounds like the opposite is the case Keith.  Last word type of guy eh?

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***


> Just proves my point. Thanks.
> You have a lot of growing up to do, young fella. Much luck.
> Don't bother to answer me. You're on my "don't read - don't answer"
> list. Plunk!
>
> keith whaley
>
> Brad Dobo wrote:
> >
> > I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop?
> > Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not.
> > Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I
> > apologized 5 minutes later.  That's the fact and if someone wants to
defend
> > those who continually write them, wellthat's life.
> >
> > It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well,
> >
> > Brad Dobo
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
> >
> > > You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old
> > > in a "Did too!" "Did NOT!" shouting match. Gotta have the last word.

> > >
> > > The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know
> > > the symbol for shaking my head.
> > >
> > > keith whaley
> > >
> > > * * * *
> > >
> > > Brad Dobo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps you should stop?  Or do you wish to continue with this?
> > > >
> > > > Brad Dobo
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Nick Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM
> > > > Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
> > > >
> > > > > SEE SUBJECT LINE!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nick Wright
> > > > > www.wrightfoto.com
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Brad Dobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now
> > > > > > put you in the "kill"
> > > > > > file.  As I have now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > William in Utah
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, "Brad Dobo"
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My my, another one!  Is there an end?  Someone just
> > > > > > threatened to kill me.
> > > > > > Sewer mouth crap?  Can we even use that word 'crap'?
> > > > > >  Crap is actually the
> > > > > > same as S**t (poop)  This the allowed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you
> > > > > > Mormon William?  My best and
> > > > > > longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in
> > > > > > Colorado.
>




Re: Re:To the pentax spies

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Bob, you have just taken things too far.  At least I apologized for my
words.  The rest is wasted.  But don't get too hopeful, I like the PDML
and plan on being here for a long long time.  With valid contributions of
course.

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "PDML (Pentax)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Re:To the pentax spies


> While this fellow was posting this to the list, he was sending the
attached
> email to me. He is who he is. His spots won't change. We're just going to
> have to endure him for a while just as we had to endure "The Who" and
> "Mafud".
>
> Regards,
> Bob




Re: Re:To the pentax spies

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Are you still carrying on Vic?  You would be wise to practice what you
preach.

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Re:To the pentax spies


> You're always apologizing for something. Hey, I have an idea, think before
> you type.
> Vic
> In a message dated 10/15/02 4:31:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << For the rest of the list members:  Why did I bother with the apology?
I'd
>
> really like someone to actually tell me on the board.  Seems no one has
read
>
> the apologies 10^2 I have posted or other peoples similar response, as I
am
>
> still getting mailings about it.  Why repeat it? >>
>





Re: OT: Depth of Field

2002-10-15 Thread David A. Mann

Steve Desjardins wrote:

> How do you think about DOF in the artistic sense and how does that
> manifest itself in you photography?

I like shallow DOF. Especially in my macros.  It helps to isolate my 
subject and give a quasi-3rd dimension to my pictures.  Except most of my 
landscapes where I tend to make everything look sharp.

I wouldn't buy a camera without a DOF preview.  It can be a bit 
challenging to get exactly the right DOF (one reason why I use SLRs over 
rangefinders)...

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/





Re: OT If you think Pentax users are strange...

2002-10-15 Thread Debra Wilborn


> Actually if you look carefully at the second photo
> the flash looks like a Dalek 
> (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/gallery/dalek/)
> bearing down on the poor 
> little Kangasquirrel :-)

This just proves that Minolta is evil.  What with
their Dalek-flashes terrorizing the peaceful
Kangasquirrels of Finland.  Where's the Doctor?

Doctor Whooo-oo,  HEY!

Going to a football game Friday, so I gotta rehearse.

Deb in TX


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Re: Well, in an effort to bring around additional topics...

2002-10-15 Thread Debra Wilborn


--- gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm "goth," I get away with it all year.. :)

How old are you, man?

> You know, I have some of those sitting around, but I
> choose not to do
> that, because since its our first time in a contest,
> I didn't want to be
> the person who came in and upset things.. They may
> be a bit more literal
> with their themes than the Pug encourages.

Eh, go for it.  Break the mold.  Shatter the cliche. 
Do the Dew.

> I probably won't get a chance to do anything except
> pull from my archives,
> which I don't really want to do as I don't have
> anything from a graveyard
> I'm happy with. I wanted to go out and do something
> in IR, either HIE or
> HIR, but I don't think that's going to happen
> either.

Hey, there's an idea.  Infrared might do some nifty
stuff on monuments, especially the polished granite. 
I remember a magazine contest on IR and the winner
submitted a hand colored shot of a space shuttle
launch.  The coloring was a really innovative
approach.

> I learned that Boxing Day has nothing to do with
> Canadian independence.

Hey, I learned that too.  :)  I thought it actually
had to do with prize fighting.

> Also, I'd like to point out there was over $200 of
> china and glasses
> broken, plus two folding tables (they were dancing
> on them). The cops
> broke the reception up before they were able to pull
> their guns out and
> start shooting into the air. No, I'm not kidding. :)

Protestant American weddings are so boring.  When I
get married, we're going to break things, forget
traditions.

> I just mailed my brother and asked him if he wants
> me to do it, or not.
> Obviously, I'll take pictures regardless, but if he
> wants me to try and do
> it all out, its his tab for film and processing..
> I've never even been to
> a baptism, I have no idea what goes on.

I go to an Evangelical-type church so the baptism was
the whole-body dunk in a pool.  I don't have my Bible
in front of me but the verse goes "He that believes
and is baptised shall be saved.  He that does not
believe [is condemned]."  That's not exact but it's
pretty close.  There are some denominations that feel
that if you're never baptised it's hellfire and
brimstone for you.  However, the emphasis in the
scriptures is on belief, not on getting wet.  Baptism
is an outward sign of your belief and symbolic of
Christ's death and resurrection (going under the
water, coming out of the water.)  This links it to
washing away or dying to the old, sinful nature of
mankind.  It also stems in part from many ceremonial
cleansings in Judaism.  The very early church was
largely Jewish.  In fact somewhere the apostle Paul
writes that he is "baptised into Christ" or something
like that.  Along with Holy Communion, it's one of the
few Christain rituals laid down in the New Testament,
but again, the primary emphasis is still on belief.

I was baptised in a Methodist church in San Marcos,
TX, which is a really photogenic little college town
in its own right.  The church itself is a huge white
thing about two blocks off the town square and was
established in the 19th century by circuit riders
(preachers on horseback).  Actually, it wasn't in the
church but in the San Marcos River.  Beautiful but
cold.  Some Methodist churches just put a handful of
water on your head.  Not as dramatic but to the same
end.

> Plus, I guess its technically not a baptism, but a
> christening, I just
> can't pronounce "christening," I'll keep referring
> to it as baptism.

I think a christening is what they do with babies when
they give the child a Christian name.  I think.

> Of course, I'd still have to pick up an inkjet
> printer, and I decided last
> night that I now, in fact, loathe my flatbed
> scanner.

Hmm, yesterday I saw a flyer for CompUSA that was
advertising several film scanners for less than $300. 
Don't remember the models or brands.
 
> You've just earned big points with the word
> "minimalist," which I so
> totally live for.

Ooh, do I get a cookie?  :)  Thanks, I did a lot of
fine arts reviews for my college paper so I had to
whip out the big art words on occasion.
 
> I can't imagine not having a fall, its one of the
> only perks of living in
> the north east..

And what a perk!  Our seasons here are more tropical. 
Summer lasts from about March through September.  The
rest of the year is really mild.  I think last year we
had a total of 30 hours freezing temperatures spread
out over January and February.  Mainly it's just wet
season and dry season.  Now it's the wet season and
starting to cool off.  Still, it has advantages. 
Where else in the continental US can you go to the
beach in December?  :)

Deb in TX

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Re: Silly Question

2002-10-15 Thread David S.

William Robb wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Feroze Kistan
> Subject: Re: Silly Question
> 
> > I might get married soon, probally would move to canada, since
> most of my
> > friends already have. Would, if I have kids like them to go to
> a good
> > school..see where I'm getting at :)
> >
> 
> Come west, but not to far.
> We get weird again in B.C.
> 
> William Robb

We're normal here in B.C., it is the rest of the world that is weird.

-- 
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Nature and wildlife photography http://www.sheppardphotos.com




Re: OT: Re: Split the list or calm down ?

2002-10-15 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen

At 18:09 15.10.2002 +0300, Don wrote:
>Looks like I've come back at the end of another flare-up. I'll hang about a
>bit to see if it fades away. Why wait? Because I missed the informative
>posts. I hope it doesn't start all over again. This kind of thing is so
>boring. I don't know how long I've been on this list because twice, at
>least, Outlook Express has destroyed the contents of all its folders.

Have you tried Eudora ? Why use a MS product which does not do the job
and which is most vulnerable to virus attacs ? Backups could be nice every
now and then too ;-)

Antti-Pekka

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Re: List broken again?

2002-10-15 Thread Norman Baugher

Doesn't sound broken to me, sounds like it's working like it should :-)

Brad Dodo wrote:

>Seems so Anthony, my emails are not showing on the list at all...since well,
>the last 6 hours or so?  I even sent from 3 different addresses.  Just have
>to wait and see.
>
>
>  
>





RE: "kill" files (WAS: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** )

2002-10-15 Thread alex

Thanks, Nick. After being on the Net for over 5 years this is the first
time I found I _really_ need it.
Alex


-Original Message-
From: Nick Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:39 PM
To: alex; PDML
Subject: "kill" files (WAS: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** )


In Outlook Expres you have to use what are called "Mail Rules" simply make a
new rule specifing that anything with a FROM address with Brad Dobo in it
goes immediately to the trash. In Netscape's mail program they are called
filters, I think, but the idea is the same.

--
Nick Wright
http://www.wrightfoto.com/

--
>From: "alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
>Date: Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 5:52 PM
>

> How do I setup a kill file?
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
>
>
> I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop?
> Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not.
> Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I
> apologized 5 minutes later.  That's the fact and if someone wants to
defend
> those who continually write them, wellthat's life.
>
> It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well,
>
> Brad Dobo
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
>
>
>> You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old
>> in a "Did too!" "Did NOT!" shouting match. Gotta have the last word. 
>>
>> The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know
>> the symbol for shaking my head.
>>
>> keith whaley
>>
>> * * * *
>>
>> Brad Dobo wrote:
>> >
>> > Perhaps you should stop?  Or do you wish to continue with this?
>> >
>> > Brad Dobo
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Nick Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM
>> > Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
>> >
>> > > SEE SUBJECT LINE!!!
>> > >
>> > > Nick Wright
>> > > www.wrightfoto.com
>> > >
>> > > --- Brad Dobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > > *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now
>> > > > put you in the "kill"
>> > > > file.  As I have now.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > William in Utah
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, "Brad Dobo"
>> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 
>> > > >
>> > > > My my, another one!  Is there an end?  Someone just
>> > > > threatened to kill me.
>> > > > Sewer mouth crap?  Can we even use that word 'crap'?
>> > > >  Crap is actually the
>> > > > same as S**t (poop)  This the allowed?
>> > > >
>> > > > Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you
>> > > > Mormon William?  My best and
>> > > > longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in
>> > > > Colorado.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > __
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>> > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More
>> > > http://faith.yahoo.com
>> > >
>>




Re: List broken again?

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Seems so Anthony, my emails are not showing on the list at all...since well,
the last 6 hours or so?  I even sent from 3 different addresses.  Just have
to wait and see.

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:24 PM
Subject: List broken again?


> Looks like the reply function is once again addressing the sender, not
PDML.
>
> Regards,
> Anthony Farr
>




Re: Cameron's Pentax Comments

2002-10-15 Thread Norman Baugher



Perhaps we should set up an abuse hotline? 
Norm
- Original Message -
From: Anthony Farr
Subject: Re: Fw: Cameron's Pentax Comments


> Norm,
>
> Your comment reveals more about you than about me.  Off-list
abuse is a
> cancer on the PDML, if you don't care that's your prerogative.







Re: Fw: Cameron's Pentax Comments

2002-10-15 Thread William Robb

> Norm,
>
> Your comment reveals more about you than about me.  Off-list
abuse is a
> cancer on the PDML, if you don't care that's your prerogative.


>From now on, well just call you Melanorman
HAR!!

William Robb





Re: Ebay Prices

2002-10-15 Thread James Adams

I was thinking about selling my Nikon F + FTn Head + Nikkor 50mm/f2, but the
prices are way down(almost halved). Also some of my Pentax stuff, but missed the
boat again. May have better luck at the swap meet in a few weeks.
James

- Original Message -
From: "Norman Baugher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:25 PM
Subject: Ebay Prices


> I haven't shopped Ebay in a while (in the US), anyone notice any overall
> price change/reduction patterns in the last 6 months to a year due to
> digital and/or the US economy
> Norm
>
>





Re: Ebay Prices

2002-10-15 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: Norman Baugher
Subject: Ebay Prices


> I haven't shopped Ebay in a while (in the US), anyone notice
any overall
> price change/reduction patterns in the last 6 months to a year
due to
> digital and/or the US economy

Everything I want now seems really expensive. I suppose this may
be because I have all the less expensive stuff now.

William Robb




Re: Re:Only 5 more days until...........

2002-10-15 Thread Jeff

Is yours an LM?
I have one of those with a roll of film in it since the Beaches TPDML. I
still don't know how it performs.
Shame on me. It's a neat camera.

Jeff.

- Original Message -
From: "David Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Re:Only 5 more days until...


> I was up in Madawaska this weekend.Dull,rainy windy,except for(you quessed
> it)the day we had to come home(Monday).Did manage to shoot 1 1/2 rolls of
> colour and BREAK MY YASHICA MAT Waa.
> Any one know it the focus knob on the Y-M is fixable at a reasonable
> charge??
>
> Dave
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Re:Only 5 more days until...
>
>
> > The weather didn't cooperate much, but I managed to shoot a couple rolls
> of
> > 120 film.
>
>
>




Re: Wal Mart-Frontier ?

2002-10-15 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: CBWaters
Subject: OT: Wal Mart-Frontier ?


> Wasn't there someone who worked at a Wal Mart on the list?
>I have a question about the Photo CDs they offer.  The
local Wal Mart has
> the Fuji Frontier 390.

There are too many ways of doing this now. The Fronteir may be
able to burn the CD, but the website doesn't give that
information. Our newer Noritsu machines will make the CD from
the same file it uses to print the picture.
There are also stand alone units that will make CD's. They come
in two flavours, the cheap and cheerful picture CD, which is
made from the prints, and the better quality Photo CD, or
whatever the Fuji equivalent is.
Why don't you ask them how they are sourcing the files for their
CDs?
>
> Anyone who knows these things could please mail me off-list.

Nah, you just can't keep anything offlist these days.

William (mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Robb





Ebay Prices

2002-10-15 Thread Norman Baugher

I haven't shopped Ebay in a while (in the US), anyone notice any overall 
price change/reduction patterns in the last 6 months to a year due to 
digital and/or the US economy
Norm




List broken again?

2002-10-15 Thread Anthony Farr

Looks like the reply function is once again addressing the sender, not PDML.

Regards,
Anthony Farr




Re: 28mm f2.8 FA for Available Light Shots?

2002-10-15 Thread Anthony Farr

Brian,

That's a common attribute of wide lenses, your lens is typical.  Most
available light situations should mask the problem, the more picture
elements there are the smaller the problem will be.  Just beware of shooting
landscapes with clear blue skies at wide apertures.  Of course copy-work
isn't recommended ;-)

Regards,
Anthony Farr

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Kauffmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hello All,
>
> I just purchased a 28mm f2.8 FA lens, thinking it would be good for low
> light photos.  However, it seems to have a lot of light loss in the
> corners at f2.8 and f4.  It would seem to defeat my purpose of available
> light photography if I have to set it to f5.6 or so.  Is this expected
> with this lens?
>
> Is the 35mm f2 FA vignetting any better?  That had been my second
> choice, and maybe now the first.
>
> I have a 50mm f1.7 FA, but was hoping for something wider in low light.
>   Then again, maybe this is the chance for the 43mm f1.9.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: ME Super

2002-10-15 Thread Norman Baugher

I really missed the ME Super viewfinder after I sold mine, especially 
with a fast 50mm attached. Then I got my 6x7 and life in the viewfinder 
world is good again.
Norm

William Johnson wrote:

>Yes.  The MX and plain ME also have a gorgeous view also.  Sure makes it tough to 
>want to use the nice old MF lenses on my ZX-5n.
>
>William in Utah.
>
>10/15/2002 6:54:04 PM, "Robert Woerner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Wow,
>>
>>Anyone notice how wonderful the viewfinder is on an ME Super?
>>
>>





Re: Silly Question

2002-10-15 Thread Feroze Kistan

Ok
- Original Message -
From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: Silly Question


> You have to admit that Brad has a point there.
>
> He's given everyone a chance to let it drop and still save face.  It's up
to
> you what you do with that chance.  It's then up to Brad to stay stopped.
>
> Regards,
> Anthony Farr
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> (snip)
> > Why don't you try and be a better
> > man than I and stop first?  Hmm?
> >
> > Brad Dobo
> >
>
>




Re: Bellows, lens and LX (was: SMC Pentax K-Mount Macro Lens Poll)

2002-10-15 Thread Pentxuser

I wrote earlier saying that you should buy one only if you can find one at a 
good price. The FB1/FD1 combination is pretty good. On the weekend, however, 
I had the opportunity to shoot in a studio setting photographing still lifes, 
extreme closeups of glass, etc. The FE1 was the finder of choice and it was 
truly a pleasure to use. So I am revising my suggestion to -- go out there 
and hunt one down and grab it if you can find it. They are not easy to find 
so if you know where one is, go for it...
Vic 
In a message dated 10/15/02 12:36:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



<< I have never used the FB1/FD1, but I have the FE-1, and I can second
Mishka's opinion.  The image is not only HUGE; it is also very, very
bright.  I would gues about a 2 EV difference...

More I need not say.

Cheers,
Boz >>




28mm f2.8 FA for Available Light Shots?

2002-10-15 Thread Brian Kauffmann

Hello All,

I just purchased a 28mm f2.8 FA lens, thinking it would be good for low 
light photos.  However, it seems to have a lot of light loss in the 
corners at f2.8 and f4.  It would seem to defeat my purpose of available 
light photography if I have to set it to f5.6 or so.  Is this expected 
with this lens?

Is the 35mm f2 FA vignetting any better?  That had been my second 
choice, and maybe now the first.

I have a 50mm f1.7 FA, but was hoping for something wider in low light. 
  Then again, maybe this is the chance for the 43mm f1.9.

Thanks for your help.

Brian









Re: ME Super

2002-10-15 Thread William Johnson

Yes.  The MX and plain ME also have a gorgeous view also.  Sure makes it tough to want 
to use the nice old MF lenses on my ZX-5n.

William in Utah.

10/15/2002 6:54:04 PM, "Robert Woerner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Wow,
>
>Anyone notice how wonderful the viewfinder is on an ME Super?
>
>Robert
>
>___
>GO.com Mail
>Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com
>
>
>
>






Re: Silly Question

2002-10-15 Thread Anthony Farr

You have to admit that Brad has a point there.

He's given everyone a chance to let it drop and still save face.  It's up to
you what you do with that chance.  It's then up to Brad to stay stopped.

Regards,
Anthony Farr

- Original Message -
From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

(snip)
> Why don't you try and be a better
> man than I and stop first?  Hmm?
>
> Brad Dobo
>




Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Actually yes, and I print off the real juvenile or insulting ones for them
to read, they find it quite funny.  My father said "I'm glad I own a
Minolta".

So, what is the point of your question Norm?

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Norm Baugher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***


> Dude, do your parents know you're on this list?
>
> Brad Dodo wrote:
>
> >Looks like a new email and identity may be needed!  Want to play, we can
> >play.
> >
> >
>
>
>




Will be back soon

2002-10-15 Thread Mishka

I am unsibscribing for a while -- it's wy too gorgeous outside to wais
precious time on filtering (hopefully, temporary) flood of emails. If I can
be of any service to anyone here, I am still very much available off the
list. See ya guys in a while.
Mishka

P.S. Is there a "no mail" option these days?






Free Fuji NPH Film!!! (for Canadians, at least)

2002-10-15 Thread Cameron Hood

If you go to

http://www.fujifilm.ca/ProCommunity

and register, you will find lots of helpful information, of course, as well
as links to putting up your own gallery and bio on the Fuji website. By
registering and once approved (I told them that I was a semi-professional,
and they didn't seem to mind) they send you your choice of 5 rolls of NPH
120 format, or three rolls of 35mm NPH.

I don't know if this is only on the Canadian site or not, but it would hurt
to try. 

It is also a great site, with marketing tips, etc.

Well done, Fuji. I guess they need the rightoffs.

Cameron Hood

PS: maybe PDMLers in other countries could let the list know if their Fuji
website is running similar offers.




Re: Poll: Primes that we wish Pentax had built

2002-10-15 Thread Paul F.

>Giancarlo suggested-
>
>Lens name: Pentax SMC FA 17-45/2.8 AL
>Length: 80mm
>Diameter: 82mm
>Weight: 560g
>Filter Thread: 77

I'd definitely buy this lens,
and may i suggest the following ultra-ultra wide zoom:
Lens name: Pentax SMC FA 14-28/2.8* AL
Filter Thread: 77 max - if thread greater than 77 with f2.8, then 
reduce f3.5, just keep aperture constant
Back to daydreaming amongst the lurkers of the world,
Paul




Re: Pentax dslr

2002-10-15 Thread Anthony Farr

Ask Paal.  And why are you unwilling to believe it?

Regards,
Anthony Farr


- Original Message -
From: "Norm Baugher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> And would these beta-testers be little green men in space suits perchance?
> Norm
> Anthony Farr wrote:
>




Re: Fw: Cameron's Pentax Comments

2002-10-15 Thread Anthony Farr

Norm,

Your comment reveals more about you than about me.  Off-list abuse is a
cancer on the PDML, if you don't care that's your prerogative.

Regards,
Anthony Farr

- Original Message -
From: "Norm Baugher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2002 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Cameron's Pentax Comments


> Anthony Farr wrote:  laughing on the floor!>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Well, in an effort to bring around additional topics...

2002-10-15 Thread Doug Franklin

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:26:06 -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote:

> I'm actually waiting for graveyards to be a PUG theme.  We have this old
> graveyard in Lexington (believe it or not, Stonewall Jackson Cemetery). 
> It's a great subject for B&W, and you don't need model releases. . .

If you visit the Spottsylvania National Battlefield Park (or is it
Wilderness, or Fredericksburg) you can see the grave of Stonewall
Jackson's arm.  It's even got a little headstone.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





Re: Well, in an effort to bring around additional topics...

2002-10-15 Thread Doug Franklin

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:14:22 -0400 (EDT), gfen wrote:

> [...] For more money, I'll sell them a real silver
> print from the lab. [...]

Speaking of that, can someone point me towards a Web site with
information on "gel" prints?  I'd google for it, but "gel print"
returned too many hits to go through. :-)  I need to learn about them
from the ground up, since I know nothing about them at the moment.  I'm
looking for a way to get resale quality prints from digital files
(scans of film :-).

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





RE: Pentax price list - but what was the year?

2002-10-15 Thread Shaun Canning

I reckon this must have been about 1985!

Shaun Canning
PhD Student
Department of Archaeology
School of European and Historical Studies
La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086.

Phone: 0414-967644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2002 3:56 AM
To: Pentax List
Subject: Pentax price list - but what was the year?

Okay, here's a great little game for you while war rages in the
background .

My SO was (*finally*) sorting out her mess, er room, today, and came
across a fairly comprehensive Pentax price list. There is no date on it -
so, like countless 'What Was The Year' hours on music radio around the
world, by looking at the price list (at the URL below), What Was The
Year? Hint: the list is reproduced in full, 2 sides of an A4 sheet,and
(presumably) contains all the gear that was available at the time of
printing. Note no MX, and the only autofocus cameras were the SFXn and
SF7...

Have a look:

http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/misc/pricelist.html

Seriously, I don't know the answer - I'm curious.

Cheers

Cotty


Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at
http://www.macads.co.uk/

Oh, swipe me! He paints with light!
http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps





Re: Something a little different

2002-10-15 Thread frank theriault

Don't send attachments, please!  I believe ~that~ is against the rules of the list.  
Anyone else know, or am I mistaken?

-frank

Brad Dobo wrote:

(a bunch of attachments in an otherwise empty post)

>

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it 
is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





Re: PDML UK Camden Lock - pictures up

2002-10-15 Thread Keith Whaley



Bob Walkden wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> to be absolutely accurate, it's an M3 (1959) single-stroke. The lens
> is a 1982 90/2.8 Tele-Elmarit M, the thin one, with an early model
> hood.

Thanks, Bob...
Back in those days, did Leicas still load/unload from the bottom?
Bottom cover comes off, spools come out, etc...?
Heck, for all *I* know, all R.F. Leicas still do!

keith

> 
> Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 3:40:39 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > Hi Keith,
> 
> > Thanks.
> 
> > The Leica was a III I believe, with a 90mm aboard. Bob Walkdens.
> 
> > It's a fun, if busy place. I didn't really get a good shot of Stan with
> > his Pentax 645 - I should have.
> 
> > Cheers,
> 
> > Cot
> 
> >>Lovely!

= snipped =

> >>Was that a Leica RF I saw smashed up against someone's cheek?
> >>Small lens like that, and a small, thin body, almost had to be...
> >>
> >>Good stuff, Cotty Sir! Thanks.  




Re: Le site des Amateurs de PENTAX

2002-10-15 Thread frank theriault

Moi, je parle seulement une peu de francaise, mais peut-etre le site francophone
est plus calme que ce site-ci!  On peut espoire...

bien a tous,
frank

andre wrote:

> Pas mal, les potes!
>
> There is an interesting article on how to modify the K and M lenses
> to have them work with multi-mode metering on newer body.  Without
> making holes to emulate the Ka mount.  Maybe this was known to
> PDMLers?
>
> Andre
>
> >Hello to our PDML's friends...
> >
> >This post just to inform you about the creation of our website "Le site des
> >Amateurs de PENTAX"
> >
> >You can find it here : www.pentaxiste.org
> >
> >For those who are not affraid to communicate in French language, it's
> >possible to post your own contributions directly from the site; for instance
> >the galeries are published by the photographers themselves (at the date of
> >today ou galery is not as nice as the PUG, but we work on it...)
> >
> >I hope you'll enjoy the visit,
> >
> >Cheers from Paris - France,
> >
> >Cyril
> >Webmaster of www.pentaxiste.org
>
> --

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears
it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





OT: Take it off the list (RE: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***)

2002-10-15 Thread Nicolas Colarusso, CGA

Ladies and gentlemen,

I have had it. Brad you were wrong with what you did and I accept your
apology (don't let it happen again). And my suggestion to you is to
ignore other emails (not this one) concerning this topic. 

For the rest of you (and believe me I love you all) if you cannot accept
his apology, please take it up with Brad off the list or filter him out
or whatever, I don't think the list really cares what you do. And keep
sending all the informative emails that have helped me so much during
the last few years to this list.

Thank you for your understanding
Signed 
I got home today and 16 out of 92 emails from Pentax had nothing to do
with Pentax or photography (I would have rather have received emails
concerning C or N)




Re: Only 5 more days until...........

2002-10-15 Thread frank theriault

Seems to me that miniature Cottys and Archers have submitted recently, and
with wonderful results, too!  What a great way to encourage young 'uns to get
into photography!  Which reminds me:  I gave my 20 year old a Pentax IQ Zoom
for her birthday over the summer - time for the old man to start critiqueing
her work (gotta get her ready for PUG!).

Just don't let the kids read pdml right now - it might harm them irrepairably
at this time...  

cheers,
frank
Jostein wrote:

> Of course you can.
> btw, other people's kids do too, if you look closely... ;-)
> Jostein
>

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





"kill" files (WAS: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** )

2002-10-15 Thread Nick Wright

In Outlook Expres you have to use what are called "Mail Rules" simply make a
new rule specifing that anything with a FROM address with Brad Dobo in it
goes immediately to the trash. In Netscape's mail program they are called
filters, I think, but the idea is the same.

--
Nick Wright
http://www.wrightfoto.com/

--
>From: "alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
>Date: Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 5:52 PM
>

> How do I setup a kill file?
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
>
>
> I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop?
> Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not.
> Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I
> apologized 5 minutes later.  That's the fact and if someone wants to defend
> those who continually write them, wellthat's life.
>
> It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well,
>
> Brad Dobo
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
>
>
>> You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old
>> in a "Did too!" "Did NOT!" shouting match. Gotta have the last word. 
>>
>> The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know
>> the symbol for shaking my head.
>>
>> keith whaley
>>
>> * * * *
>>
>> Brad Dobo wrote:
>> >
>> > Perhaps you should stop?  Or do you wish to continue with this?
>> >
>> > Brad Dobo
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Nick Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM
>> > Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
>> >
>> > > SEE SUBJECT LINE!!!
>> > >
>> > > Nick Wright
>> > > www.wrightfoto.com
>> > >
>> > > --- Brad Dobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > > *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now
>> > > > put you in the "kill"
>> > > > file.  As I have now.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > William in Utah
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, "Brad Dobo"
>> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 
>> > > >
>> > > > My my, another one!  Is there an end?  Someone just
>> > > > threatened to kill me.
>> > > > Sewer mouth crap?  Can we even use that word 'crap'?
>> > > >  Crap is actually the
>> > > > same as S**t (poop)  This the allowed?
>> > > >
>> > > > Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you
>> > > > Mormon William?  My best and
>> > > > longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in
>> > > > Colorado.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > __
>> > > Do you Yahoo!?
>> > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More
>> > > http://faith.yahoo.com
>> > >
>>




Re: Split the list or calm down ?

2002-10-15 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Some people crave attention.  If you respond to their untoward remarks, it just 
encourages them.  I find that if I ignore people who are rude or obscene, they get 
tired of talking to themselves and stop a lot sooner than if I object or try to 
correct their behavior.

Dan






RE: Re:To the pentax spies

2002-10-15 Thread tom

> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>
> Bob, you have just taken things too far.  At least I
> apologized for my
> words.  The rest is wasted.  But don't get too hopeful,
> I like the PDML
> and plan on being here for a long long time.
> With valid
> contributions of
> course.

When do you plan to start? You haven't contributed anything useful as
of now.

I've never actually had to do this, but I'm setting up a killfile just
for you.

Buh-bye.

tv





Re: Split the list or calm down ?

2002-10-15 Thread frank theriault

I got back from a long weekend out of town last night to over 500 e-mails!  Of
course, the vast majority of them were pdml.

Unfortunately, most of them were useless garbage:  "He said this!", "I already
apologized!", "I'm complaining to his ISP!", etc, etc., back and forth, forth and
back.

"WAAA!" (that's supposed to represent the sound of an infant crying
).

Unfortunately, I really didn't have time to sift throught the crap and read
anything worthwhile.

What's up lately?  A weekend with the list down not enough for everyone to calm
down after Photokina, or did that just get everyone riled up even more?

I don't wish to point any fingers, but it does seem to me that a small number of
us are dominating the list with time-wasting drivel to satisfy their inflated
egos.  Believe me, you're not that important!

Hopefully this will all blow over (as it usually does), and we can get back to
talking about Pentax and photography, and stop the sniping and back-stabbing.

Okay, everybody take a deep breath, have a
beer/valium/prozac/whatever-substance-makes-you relax/meditate/do yoga -
whatever.  There now:  feel better?  Good, let's talk cameras...

regards,
frank

Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote:

> Yea, I know ;-) I've tried to calm down the list many times in the
> past as well... with mixed success.
>
> I've been on the Pentax list since 1996... don't remember the exact
> dates.
>
>

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears
it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Heh, sounds like the opposite is the case Keith.  Last word type of guy eh?

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***


> Just proves my point. Thanks.
> You have a lot of growing up to do, young fella. Much luck.
> Don't bother to answer me. You're on my "don't read - don't answer"
> list. Plunk!
>
> keith whaley
>
> Brad Dobo wrote:
> >
> > I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop?
> > Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not.
> > Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I
> > apologized 5 minutes later.  That's the fact and if someone wants to
defend
> > those who continually write them, wellthat's life.
> >
> > It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well,
> >
> > Brad Dobo
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
> >
> > > You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old
> > > in a "Did too!" "Did NOT!" shouting match. Gotta have the last word.

> > >
> > > The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know
> > > the symbol for shaking my head.
> > >
> > > keith whaley
> > >
> > > * * * *
> > >
> > > Brad Dobo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps you should stop?  Or do you wish to continue with this?
> > > >
> > > > Brad Dobo
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Nick Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM
> > > > Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
> > > >
> > > > > SEE SUBJECT LINE!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nick Wright
> > > > > www.wrightfoto.com
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Brad Dobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now
> > > > > > put you in the "kill"
> > > > > > file.  As I have now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > William in Utah
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, "Brad Dobo"
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My my, another one!  Is there an end?  Someone just
> > > > > > threatened to kill me.
> > > > > > Sewer mouth crap?  Can we even use that word 'crap'?
> > > > > >  Crap is actually the
> > > > > > same as S**t (poop)  This the allowed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you
> > > > > > Mormon William?  My best and
> > > > > > longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in
> > > > > > Colorado.
>




Re: Re:To the pentax spies

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Bob, you have just taken things too far.  At least I apologized for my
words.  The rest is wasted.  But don't get too hopeful, I like the PDML
and plan on being here for a long long time.  With valid contributions of
course.

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "PDML (Pentax)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Re:To the pentax spies


> While this fellow was posting this to the list, he was sending the
attached
> email to me. He is who he is. His spots won't change. We're just going to
> have to endure him for a while just as we had to endure "The Who" and
> "Mafud".
>
> Regards,
> Bob...





Aurora Photos

2002-10-15 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Nice example of an Aurora photographn on the Astronomy Picture of the Day for Oct 15:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Dan




Re: Re:To the pentax spies

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo


- Original Message -
From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "PDML (Pentax)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Re:To the pentax spies


> While this fellow was posting this to the list, he was sending the
attached
> email to me. He is who he is. His spots won't change. We're just going to
> have to endure him for a while just as we had to endure "The Who" and
> "Mafud".
>
> Regards,
> Bob...
>
> From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > Once again, am I going to need a form letter?  What is the point of this
> > Cotty?  You think that you unsubscribing will punish me?  You actually
> just
> > threatened me.  That's not very acceptable behaviour.  I'd in fact say
> > threatening someone is worse than swearing on the board!  Before this
> email,
> > you wrote another one to me telling me to keep my opinions to myself,
> simply
> > because you did not agree with them.  Of course it was ok for you to
post
> > your opinion.  What is with the attitude?  Relax a bit.
> >
> > For the rest of the list members:  Why did I bother with the apology?
I'd
> > really like someone to actually tell me on the board.  Seems no one has
> read
> > the apologies 10^2 I have posted or other peoples similar response, as I
> am
> > still getting mailings about it.  Why repeat it?  What will Cotty gain
> from
> > sending this?  Is it a hatred of me?  Is threatening to quit an attempt
to
> > get the long-time members against me as well?  Does anyone have an
answer?
> > Please all valid questions I hope you can all answer, especially the
'Why
> > did I bother with the apology?'
> >
> > Can a few of you send this to Cotty or the board again so Cotty can read
> it?
> > I really don't know why he hates me for not wanting to hear 100
times
> > the same thing about a DSLR or the fact I don't see one coming or don't
> want
> > one.  Sure I can ask to stop with the DSLR stuff can't it?  It's what I
> > think, it's an opinion, and of course, the biggest thing is no one is
> forced
> > to do what I say.
> >
> > Man, I hate to send these messages time after time after time.  Does the
> > group want to focus on me despite what I say?  Do I keep the kid who
> swears
> > loudly in class inside and miss recesses for that day?  I fit it
fitting.
> > Do I want them writing the WHOLE dictionary as punishment, instead of
> > writing out 3 pages of the letter L in the dictionary? No, 3 pages of L
is
> a
> > lot and a fitting punishment.   Do I request suspension for the child
from
> > the principal?  Of course not.
> >
> > Does anyone understand this?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Brad Dobo
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:49 AM
> > Subject: Re:To the pentax spies
> >
> >
> > > >HEY PENTAX (expletive deleted), YOU READING THIS?  SHOW YOURSELF TO
> THIS
> > > GROUP >>AND TELL
> > > >US WHY WE ALL USE PENTAX EVEN THOUGH IT SUCKS!  TELL US A TALE ABOUT
A
> > > >DIGITAL SLR!
> > >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > If you use language like this again, I will consider unsubscribing,
> which
> > > will be a shame. I have been reading and contributing to this list for
a
> > > while now, and I have seldom seen such language used. I am not a
prude,
> > > and have been known to blaspheme, but doing it in public on an email
> list
> > > is uncalled for.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately for me I get the digest version of the list, so I cannot
> > > delete your emails. I will not be reading any more of them.
> > >
> > > Apologies for being civilised,
>




Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***

2002-10-15 Thread Norm Baugher

Tag, you're it
Norm

Brad Dobo wrote:

>I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop?
>Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not.
>Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I
>apologized 5 minutes later.  That's the fact and if someone wants to defend
>those who continually write them, wellthat's life.
>
>It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well,
>  
>






Re: OT: Wal Mart-Frontier ?

2002-10-15 Thread Norm Baugher

That would be Bill Robb, but I think he's having trouble with his ISP 
now :-)
Norm

CBWaters wrote:

>Wasn't there someone who worked at a Wal Mart on the list?
>   I have a question about the Photo CDs they offer.  The local Wal Mart has
>the Fuji Frontier 390.
>
>Anyone who knows these things could please mail me off-list.
>  
>






Re: OT: Depth of Field

2002-10-15 Thread Norm Baugher

wide open when I can...

Bob Walkden wrote:

 >Hi,
 >
 >f/8 or be square!
 >
 >---
 >
 >







Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***

2002-10-15 Thread Keith Whaley

Just proves my point. Thanks.
You have a lot of growing up to do, young fella. Much luck. 
Don't bother to answer me. You're on my "don't read - don't answer"
list. Plunk!

keith whaley

Brad Dobo wrote:
> 
> I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop?
> Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not.
> Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I
> apologized 5 minutes later.  That's the fact and if someone wants to defend
> those who continually write them, wellthat's life.
> 
> It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well,
> 
> Brad Dobo
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
> 
> > You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old
> > in a "Did too!" "Did NOT!" shouting match. Gotta have the last word. 
> >
> > The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know
> > the symbol for shaking my head.
> >
> > keith whaley
> >
> > * * * *
> >
> > Brad Dobo wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps you should stop?  Or do you wish to continue with this?
> > >
> > > Brad Dobo
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Nick Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM
> > > Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
> > >
> > > > SEE SUBJECT LINE!!!
> > > >
> > > > Nick Wright
> > > > www.wrightfoto.com
> > > >
> > > > --- Brad Dobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now
> > > > > put you in the "kill"
> > > > > file.  As I have now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William in Utah
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, "Brad Dobo"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > My my, another one!  Is there an end?  Someone just
> > > > > threatened to kill me.
> > > > > Sewer mouth crap?  Can we even use that word 'crap'?
> > > > >  Crap is actually the
> > > > > same as S**t (poop)  This the allowed?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you
> > > > > Mormon William?  My best and
> > > > > longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in
> > > > > Colorado.




Re: Re:To the pentax spies

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Are you still carrying on Vic?  You would be wise to practice what you
preach.

Brad Dobo
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Re:To the pentax spies


> You're always apologizing for something. Hey, I have an idea, think before
> you type.
> Vic
> In a message dated 10/15/02 4:31:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << For the rest of the list members:  Why did I bother with the apology?
I'd
>
> really like someone to actually tell me on the board.  Seems no one has
read
>
> the apologies 10^2 I have posted or other peoples similar response, as I
am
>
> still getting mailings about it.  Why repeat it? >>
>




RE: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***

2002-10-15 Thread alex

How do I setup a kill file? 
Thanks,
Alex

-Original Message-
From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***


I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop?
Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not.
Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I
apologized 5 minutes later.  That's the fact and if someone wants to defend
those who continually write them, wellthat's life.

It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well,

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***


> You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old
> in a "Did too!" "Did NOT!" shouting match. Gotta have the last word. 
>
> The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know
> the symbol for shaking my head.
>
> keith whaley
>
> * * * *
>
> Brad Dobo wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps you should stop?  Or do you wish to continue with this?
> >
> > Brad Dobo
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Nick Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM
> > Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
> >
> > > SEE SUBJECT LINE!!!
> > >
> > > Nick Wright
> > > www.wrightfoto.com
> > >
> > > --- Brad Dobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now
> > > > put you in the "kill"
> > > > file.  As I have now.
> > > > >
> > > > > William in Utah
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, "Brad Dobo"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > >
> > > > My my, another one!  Is there an end?  Someone just
> > > > threatened to kill me.
> > > > Sewer mouth crap?  Can we even use that word 'crap'?
> > > >  Crap is actually the
> > > > same as S**t (poop)  This the allowed?
> > > >
> > > > Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you
> > > > Mormon William?  My best and
> > > > longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in
> > > > Colorado.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More
> > > http://faith.yahoo.com
> > >
>




Re: OT: Depth of Field

2002-10-15 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

f/8 or be square!

---

 Bob  

Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 4:27:52 PM, you wrote:

> This is a techniques/opinions/experiences thread . . .

> I was always a big fan of telephotos, it has been a real change to use
> my new Pentax 20-35 zoom.  In particular, I'm learning whole new ways to
> think about depth of  field.  With this in mind, the big question is:

> How do you think about DOF in the artistic sense and how does that
> manifest itself in you photography?

> What I'm looking for here is personal tendencies.  Do you like maximum
> sharpness everywhere of narrow selection with nice bokeh.  Yes, I know
> that it depends on the subject (portrait vs. landscape)  but I'm looking
> for the range of personal expression.




OT: Wal Mart-Frontier ?

2002-10-15 Thread CBWaters

Wasn't there someone who worked at a Wal Mart on the list?
   I have a question about the Photo CDs they offer.  The local Wal Mart has
the Fuji Frontier 390.

Anyone who knows these things could please mail me off-list.

Thanks,
Cory Waters




Re: :)

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

 You have an extreme view that is a little skewed I think.  Generally if
 blame is to be cast, the child itself (in this very modern age) is a
 problem, as well in some schools, generally those that are not financially
 well off,  it is the families fault.  However, the provincial governments
 are also making it hard for teachers to maintain a proper learning
 environment.  Hands are tied.  With those two forces at work, it's
 definitely not ideal.  Stress and teachersyou wouldn't believe the
 stats!  It is a very stressful vocation.
 
 Brad Dobo
 




Something a little different

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo



--- Begin Message ---

Hey Anthony,

Thanks for the reply.  I feel caught up in something that got much larger
than it ever should have been.  Lots of other emails from the list in my
inbox, so gotta run. Take her easy!

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax dslr


> Brad,
>
> Our 'phone industry was deregulated about a decade ago, before that it was
a
> monopoly.  There are only two 'phone companies (Telstra & Optus) that have
> lines right into households, the rest buy line-time off the big two and
> onsell it, or are long-distance providers only.  Those two are affiliated
> with the only two hard-wired cable TV companies (Foxtel with Telstra, and
> Optus under it's own name), and are the only source of infrastructure for
> dsl or cable internet, 'though again other smaller companies have their
own
> servers and onsell the line time.
>
> Don't worry too much about your language.  If you swear on-list you'll get
> enough flak from elsewhere for my comments to be redundant, so I won't
> bother.  If you swear privately I don't mind so long as it's not aimed at
> me.  Even then I'd probably tell you about it before anyone else.  If
> someone is trying to get you TOSsed by you ISP I don't know of it and it
> hasn't shown up on-list in my parts yet.  Check to see if that mail went
to
> you or the whole list (see the final paragraph)
>
> William was a special case.  His patronising, holier-than-thou facade
> slipped and showed him up as a hypocrite.  I hate that.
>
> BTW the list is broken again, you need to insert PDML as the adressee when
> you reply to a post, otherwise it goes to the sender only.
>
> Regards,
> Anthony Farr
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2002 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Pentax dslr
>
>
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: Pentax dslr
> >
> > Ah crap, I think you just set me up to get bombed on the list or a
letter
> to
> > my ISP.
> >
> and
> >
> > Not like it is in the US, how does Australia work?
> > (being we are both British coloniessort of)
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
>

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

You have an extreme view that is a little skewed I think.  Generally if
blame is to be cast, the child itself (in this very modern age) is a
problem, as well in some schools, generally those that are not financially
well off,  it is the families fault.  However, the provincial governments
are also making it hard for teachers to maintain a proper learning
environment.  Hands are tied.  With those two forces at work, it's
definitely not ideal.  Stress and teachersyou wouldn't believe the
stats!  It is a very stressful vocation.

Brad Dobo

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

What, you are just insulting me more!  Like I said, keep it and and I'll
keep replying.  You'd be amazed at my job.  This is just a mailing list.
There is far more to life than this and photography.  Some of you live this,
and that explains the constant reactions.  Why don't you try and be a better
man than I and stop first?  Hmm?

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Feroze Kistan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Silly Question


> I might get married soon, probally would move to canada, since most of my
> friends already have. Would, if I have kids like them to go to a good
> school..see where I'm getting at :)
>
> Sides how much worse could it possibly get. he might be a pentax employee
> just trying to see how much frustration pentax users can take before they
> just go buy a Finepix S2 pro or other..
>
> Feroze
> - Original Message -
> From: "Peter Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Silly Question
>
>
> > I know I shouldn't write this, but aren't there a lot of things that we
> really
> > wish we didn't know once we find out?
> >
> > At 03:01 PM 10/15/2002 +0200, Feroze Kistan wrote:
> >
> > >Brad, just out of morbid curiosity what subjects do you teach the
little
> > >kiddies
> > >
> > >Feroze
> >
> >
>

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

Love you too Bruce!!! *kiss*

Always yours,

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Re:To the pentax spies


> He's beginning to roll the steel balls in his hand again. Maybe he's just
had too much strawberry ice cream.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> snip
>

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

I'll keep 

:)

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

You have an extreme view that is a little skewed I think.  Generally if
blame is to be cast, the child itself (in this very modern age) is a
problem, as well in some schools, generally those that are not financially
well off,  it is the families fault.  However, the provincial governments
are also making it hard for teachers to maintain a proper learning
environment.  Hands are tied.  With those two forces at work, it's
definitely not ideal.  Stress and teachersyou wouldn't believe the
stats!  It is a very stressful vocation.

Brad Dobo




Re[2]: PDML UK Camden Lock - pictures up

2002-10-15 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

to be absolutely accurate, it's an M3 (1959) single-stroke. The lens
is a 1982 90/2.8 Tele-Elmarit M, the thin one, with an early model
hood.

---

 Bob  

Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 3:40:39 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Keith,

> Thanks.

> The Leica was a III I believe, with a 90mm aboard. Bob Walkdens.

> It's a fun, if busy place. I didn't really get a good shot of Stan with 
> his Pentax 645 - I should have.

> Cheers,

> Cot

>>Lovely!
>>You did solve one part of a mysteriousness I've tried to figure out
>>for a time.
>>I have a collector friend in Nottingham and we swap photos and camera
>>tales from time to time. 
>>Last time I sent her a photo of a boat coming down under the
>>bridge...very likely the very same Camden Lock bridge you showed in
>>your display of London photos...
>>Couldn't retrieve the previous photo from any of my previous haunts,
>>so it seems to be lost.
>>Ah well...
>>
>>Was that a Leica RF I saw smashed up against someone's cheek?
>>Small lens like that, and a small, thin body, almost had to be...
>>
>>Good stuff, Cotty Sir! Thanks.  


> 
> Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at
> http://www.macads.co.uk/
> 
> Oh, swipe me! He paints with light!
> http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps
> 




Re: Silly Question

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

What, you are just insulting me more!  Like I said, keep it and and I'll
keep replying.  You'd be amazed at my job.  This is just a mailing list.
There is far more to life than this and photography.  Some of you live this,
and that explains the constant reactions.  Why don't you try and be a better
man than I and stop first?  Hmm?

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Feroze Kistan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Silly Question


> I might get married soon, probally would move to canada, since most of my
> friends already have. Would, if I have kids like them to go to a good
> school..see where I'm getting at :)
>
> Sides how much worse could it possibly get. he might be a pentax employee
> just trying to see how much frustration pentax users can take before they
> just go buy a Finepix S2 pro or other..
>
> Feroze
> - Original Message -
> From: "Peter Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Silly Question
>
>
> > I know I shouldn't write this, but aren't there a lot of things that we
> really
> > wish we didn't know once we find out?
> >
> > At 03:01 PM 10/15/2002 +0200, Feroze Kistan wrote:
> >
> > >Brad, just out of morbid curiosity what subjects do you teach the
little
> > >kiddies
> > >
> > >Feroze
> >
> >
>




Re: Re:To the pentax spies

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Love you too Bruce!!! *kiss*

Always yours,

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Re:To the pentax spies


> He's beginning to roll the steel balls in his hand again. Maybe he's just
had too much strawberry ice cream.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> snip
>




Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop?
Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not.
Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I
apologized 5 minutes later.  That's the fact and if someone wants to defend
those who continually write them, wellthat's life.

It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well,

Brad Dobo

- Original Message -
From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***


> You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old
> in a "Did too!" "Did NOT!" shouting match. Gotta have the last word. 
>
> The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know
> the symbol for shaking my head.
>
> keith whaley
>
> * * * *
>
> Brad Dobo wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps you should stop?  Or do you wish to continue with this?
> >
> > Brad Dobo
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Nick Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM
> > Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
> >
> > > SEE SUBJECT LINE!!!
> > >
> > > Nick Wright
> > > www.wrightfoto.com
> > >
> > > --- Brad Dobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now
> > > > put you in the "kill"
> > > > file.  As I have now.
> > > > >
> > > > > William in Utah
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, "Brad Dobo"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > >
> > > > My my, another one!  Is there an end?  Someone just
> > > > threatened to kill me.
> > > > Sewer mouth crap?  Can we even use that word 'crap'?
> > > >  Crap is actually the
> > > > same as S**t (poop)  This the allowed?
> > > >
> > > > Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you
> > > > Mormon William?  My best and
> > > > longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in
> > > > Colorado.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More
> > > http://faith.yahoo.com
> > >
>




Re: Re:Only 5 more days until...........

2002-10-15 Thread wendy beard

And husbands :-)

W.
> 
> From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Of course you can.
> btw, other people's kids do too, if you look closely... ;-)
> Jostein
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:54 PM
> Subject: Re:Only 5 more days until...
> 
> 
> > My daughter had adopted my ZX-7 and is taking it on a class trip with a
> > roll of B&W (the chromogenic kind).  Can I publish her photos on the PUG
> > with suitable credits?  I don't think she'll be conversing with us old
> > folks any time soon.
> > 
> > Steven Desjardins




Re: Re: Pentax price list - but what was the year?

2002-10-15 Thread wendy beard

> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The winner will get the price list!
> 
> If you want it, that is
> 
Hey, great! More pieces of paper for my "pieces of paper" collection.
You'd think, having moved house 6 times in the last 12 years, I'd have managed to 
whittle down my paper collection. But no! I still carry around receipts and booklets 
from buying my MX and 35mm lens in 1981.
This morning, the dog woke me up by trying to unearth the bone she buried under the 
pile of photo envelopes at the foot of the bed.

Send it over - do I win it?
1989, that's my best offer.

Wendy




logging off

2002-10-15 Thread Jostein

for a few days.
Will go to Lisbon tomorrow, and to visit Mike Wilson in Newcastle in the
Week-end.

See y'all.
Jostein




Re: Re: Only 5 more days until...........

2002-10-15 Thread wendy beard


> 
> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> >The rain got heavier and I almost turned round but decided on a better 
> >course of action - lunch in the pub!
> 
> Wendy! You live abroad now! That was no pub!? Surely it was a *bar*??
> 
> :-)
> 
> Cot
> 
Oooh, dunno. It was in Quebec - maybe I should have said "le pub" ;-)

W.




Re: Re:Only 5 more days until...........

2002-10-15 Thread Jostein

Of course you can.
btw, other people's kids do too, if you look closely... ;-)
Jostein


- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:54 PM
Subject: Re:Only 5 more days until...


> My daughter had adopted my ZX-7 and is taking it on a class trip with a
> roll of B&W (the chromogenic kind).  Can I publish her photos on the PUG
> with suitable credits?  I don't think she'll be conversing with us old
> folks any time soon.
> 
> 
> Steven Desjardins
> Department of Chemistry
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450
> (540) 458-8873
> FAX: (540) 458-8878
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 




Re: To the pentax spies

2002-10-15 Thread James Adams

I live in Richmond, BC, and am a father of 8 children ranging from 9 to 22. At
present, I have two children in Elementary (The board advocates Child Centred
Education) and 3 at High School.

So far, my experience of North American education has led me to the well
justified conclusion, that it is screwed up. Educators have screwed up Canadian
society(American too, for that matter) with their naive Socialist Fabian
Philosophies. Child Centred Education does not work, and never will.  All it
does is produce union fodder, and turns kids into informants(often against their
families), and does not prepare them for the real world. No wonder they turn to
drugs.
I don't know where you guys stand on these things, but I don't mean it
personally.  Before, I would have used a stronger word than screwed, but that's
not Christian.

I would not be a teacher for anything, the stress levels must be unbelievable.
James

- Original Message -
From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: To the pentax spies


> Sounds like you are quite uninformed and a little slow mentally.  My
> statement had nothing remotely to do with condoning that language at that
> age, the sentence just stated a true fact of life.  Don't put words into my
> mouth and don't read so much into statements, as at least in this case, you
> were plain wrong.  If you are American, you DO have a major problem in
> public education, in Canada we are FAR different.  Don't make conclusions
> based on false pretences in any case.
>
> But hey, this has been going for a good while, with lots of posts, you just
> jumping on the wagon and looking for trouble?  I said something, I
> immediately apologized, and I've still got people coming up with emails
> about it.  What point does your email or any other serve?  Nothing.  Except
> perhaps being a.ahhh, nevermind.
>
> Brad Dobo
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Perham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:19 PM
> Subject: RE: To the pentax spies
>
>
> > Sounds like you condone 5 yrs old kids swearing says a lot about
> today's
> > people "in education".
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: October 14, 2002 3:21 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: To the pentax spies
> >
> >
> > And your point on kids?  I'm in education, I see 5yr old kids swearing.
> >
> >
>
>





Re: Pentax price list - but what was the year?

2002-10-15 Thread Cotty

The winner will get the price list!

If you want it, that is


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Re: Pentax price list - but what was the year?

2002-10-15 Thread Cotty

>The SFXn in the price list pushes me towards 1990, depends how 
>cutting-edge the camera store was.

Ahh - here's another clue:

There was a compliment slip with the  price list - it was from Pentax 
head office in South Harrow. Not a camera shop, but Pentax! Did they sell 
direct??

Cotty

> Have a look:
> 
> http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/misc/pricelist.html


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Subject: Re: Pentax price list - but what was the year?

2002-10-15 Thread Cotty

Have a look:

http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/misc/pricelist.html

>Hmm, it's a difficult one. I'll go for 1989; 1990 at a pinch.
>I chose 1989 because of the presence of the SuperA which according to 
>Boz-s site was only manufactured 83-85 so it's got to be old (new) stock.
>The LX and K1000 don't give much away.
>So we're left with
>SFXn 89-93
>SF7 88-93
>P30n 88-90
>
>The SFXn in the price list pushes me towards 1990, depends how 
>cutting-edge the camera store was.
>
>Is Peter from Sunny Brighton allowed to play?

Of course!

Cot



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Re: Only 5 more days until...........

2002-10-15 Thread Cotty

>The rain got heavier and I almost turned round but decided on a better 
>course of action - lunch in the pub!

Wendy! You live abroad now! That was no pub!? Surely it was a *bar*??

:-)

Cot


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RE: OT: If you want really large prints ...

2002-10-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I can vouch for Aaron's 7000 - you can't determine a "real" photo from a
print.

I saw the 7600 in action during the Henry's show a few weeks ago.  Just a
step up from the 7000 mind you - 24" across - nice nice nice :)

Cheers,
Dave


Original Message:
-
From: Collin Brendemuehl collinb@@safe-t.net
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:14:57 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: If you want really large prints ...


... Midwest Photo has the Epson 7600 in stock.
http://www.mpex.com

Collin
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Re: Re:Only 5 more days until...........

2002-10-15 Thread Feroze Kistan

If I read the rules right it said anyone using Pentax equipment...may
submit

Feroze
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:54 PM
Subject: Re:Only 5 more days until...


> My daughter had adopted my ZX-7 and is taking it on a class trip with a
> roll of B&W (the chromogenic kind).  Can I publish her photos on the PUG
> with suitable credits?  I don't think she'll be conversing with us old
> folks any time soon.
>
>
> Steven Desjardins
> Department of Chemistry
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450
> (540) 458-8873
> FAX: (540) 458-8878
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>




Re: Silly Question

2002-10-15 Thread Feroze Kistan

I might get married soon, probally would move to canada, since most of my
friends already have. Would, if I have kids like them to go to a good
school..see where I'm getting at :)

Sides how much worse could it possibly get. he might be a pentax employee
just trying to see how much frustration pentax users can take before they
just go buy a Finepix S2 pro or other..

Feroze
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Silly Question


> I know I shouldn't write this, but aren't there a lot of things that we
really
> wish we didn't know once we find out?
>
> At 03:01 PM 10/15/2002 +0200, Feroze Kistan wrote:
>
> >Brad, just out of morbid curiosity what subjects do you teach the little
> >kiddies
> >
> >Feroze
>
>




Re: Well, in an effort to bring around additional topics...

2002-10-15 Thread Steve Desjardins

I'm actually waiting for graveyards to be a PUG theme.  We have this old
graveyard in Lexington (believe it or not, Stonewall Jackson Cemetery). 
It's a great subject for B&W, and you don't need model releases. . .


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Pentax price list - but what was the year?

2002-10-15 Thread William Johnson

I'd say 1990, give or take a year.

William in Utah.

10/15/2002 11:55:57 AM, "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Okay, here's a great little game for you while war rages in the 
>background .
>
>My SO was (*finally*) sorting out her mess, er room, today, and came 
>across a fairly comprehensive Pentax price list. There is no date on it - 
>so, like countless 'What Was The Year' hours on music radio around the 
>world, by looking at the price list (at the URL below), What Was The 
>Year? Hint: the list is reproduced in full, 2 sides of an A4 sheet,and 
>(presumably) contains all the gear that was available at the time of 
>printing. Note no MX, and the only autofocus cameras were the SFXn and 
>SF7...
>
>Have a look:
>
>http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/misc/pricelist.html
>
>Seriously, I don't know the answer - I'm curious.
>
>Cheers
>
>Cotty
>
>
>Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at
>http://www.macads.co.uk/
>
>Oh, swipe me! He paints with light!
>http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps
>
>
>
>






RE: Re:To the pentax spies

2002-10-15 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)

He's beginning to roll the steel balls in his hand again. Maybe he's just had too much 
strawberry ice cream.

> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

snip




RE: What this board is really about (and why we should keep it that way)

2002-10-15 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)

Another poster child for why Pentax uses should always be wearing their aluminum foil 
hats.

> -Original Message-
> From: Norm Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> Hi Group, my name is Norm, I'm here because I have little 
> voices in my 
> head, they tell me things about digital cameras
> 




Re: Only 5 more days until...........

2002-10-15 Thread Norm Baugher

Absolutely, as far as the PUG is concerned, you don't have to be a 
member of the PDML to submit...
Norm

Glen O'Neal wrote:

>I say let the girl publish her photos. What a wonderful way to encourage a
>budding photographer to love our craft even more...
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Steve Desjardins 
>
>My daughter had adopted my ZX-7 and is taking it on a class trip with a
>roll of B&W (the chromogenic kind).  Can I publish her photos on the PUG
>with suitable credits?  I don't think she'll be conversing with us old
>folks any time soon.
>  
>






Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***

2002-10-15 Thread Brad Dobo

Perhaps you should stop?  Or do you wish to continue with this?

Brad Dobo
- Original Message - 
From: "Nick Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM
Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***


> SEE SUBJECT LINE!!!
> 
> Nick Wright
> www.wrightfoto.com
> 
> --- Brad Dobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now
> > put you in the "kill"
> > file.  As I have now.
> > >
> > > William in Utah
> > >
> > >
> > > 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, "Brad Dobo"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > 
> > My my, another one!  Is there an end?  Someone just
> > threatened to kill me.
> > Sewer mouth crap?  Can we even use that word 'crap'?
> >  Crap is actually the
> > same as S**t (poop)  This the allowed?
> > 
> > Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you
> > Mormon William?  My best and
> > longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in
> > Colorado.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> __
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More
> http://faith.yahoo.com
> 




Re: Pentax dslr

2002-10-15 Thread Peter Alling

Oh horrors no, not that.  I wonder if Nappy and the GAR are going to meet 
the LGM for tea?

At 11:18 AM 10/15/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>No, ~they~ are testing the yet unseen 'flagship' camera... Peter, get your 
>facts straight before posting to this list or I'll be forced to send your 
>ISP a 'note'!!
>Norm
>
>Peter Alling wrote:
>
>>No the're Napoleon and Grand Army of the Republic!
>>
>>At 11:02 AM 10/15/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>>And would these beta-testers be little green men in space suits perchance?
>>>Norm
>>>Anthony Farr wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >BTW Pentax did produce a DSLR but never sold it to the public. 
>>> According to
>>> >Paal a number are in circulation in Japan, in the hands of beta-testers.
>
>




Re: Pentax dslr

2002-10-15 Thread Norm Baugher

you're watching aren't you? now I know ito god they're coming 
for memust leave now

tom wrote:

>Norm, you need to put your tin-foil hat back on.
>
>tv
>
>>From: Norm Baugher 
>>And would these beta-testers be little green men in space 
>>suits perchance?
>>Norm
>>Anthony Farr wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >BTW Pentax did produce a DSLR but never sold it to the public. 
>>According to
>> >Paal a number are in circulation in Japan, in the hands 
>>of beta-testers.
>>
>>






Re: Poll: Primes that we wish Pentax had built

2002-10-15 Thread Arnold Stark

Hello PDML,

I have collected all the propositions that have been sent so far, and I made
a table containing most of them. This table can be seen at
http://www.physnet.uni-hamburg.de/hp/stark/wishlenspoll.htm

If you want corrections to be made, please send your message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you want another lens to be added, please send this form either to the
PDML or to me:


Lens name:
Length:
Diameter:
Weight:
Filter Thread:
Other:


I will collect more propositions for another day.

Arnold




Re: What this board is really about (and why we should keep it thatway)

2002-10-15 Thread Norm Baugher

Brad Dobo wrote:

>I really would like everyone to
>think about why we are here, and as well modify some problem areas.
>  
>
Hi Group, my name is Norm, I'm here because I have little voices in my 
head, they tell me things about digital cameras






Re: Pentax dslr

2002-10-15 Thread Norm Baugher

No, ~they~ are testing the yet unseen 'flagship' camera... Peter, get 
your facts straight before posting to this list or I'll be forced to 
send your ISP a 'note'!!
Norm

Peter Alling wrote:

> No the're Napoleon and Grand Army of the Republic!
>
> At 11:02 AM 10/15/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> And would these beta-testers be little green men in space suits 
>> perchance?
>> Norm
>> Anthony Farr wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >BTW Pentax did produce a DSLR but never sold it to the public. 
>> According to
>> >Paal a number are in circulation in Japan, in the hands of 
>> beta-testers.
>






RE: Pentax price list - but what was the year?

2002-10-15 Thread Malcolm Smith

 Cotty wrote:

> http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/misc/pricelist.html
> 
> Seriously, I don't know the answer - I'm curious.

What an interesting find! 1986?

Malcolm 




Re: Fw: Cameron's Pentax Comments

2002-10-15 Thread Norm Baugher

Anthony Farr wrote: 








RE: Pentax dslr

2002-10-15 Thread tom

Norm, you need to put your tin-foil hat back on.

tv

> -Original Message-
> From: Norm Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:02 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Re: Pentax dslr
> 
> 
> And would these beta-testers be little green men in space 
> suits perchance?
> Norm
> Anthony Farr wrote:
> 
>  >
>  >BTW Pentax did produce a DSLR but never sold it to the public. 
> According to
>  >Paal a number are in circulation in Japan, in the hands 
> of beta-testers.
>  >
>  >
> 
> 
> 
> 




Re: Pentax dslr

2002-10-15 Thread Peter Alling

No the're Napoleon and Grand Army of the Republic!

At 11:02 AM 10/15/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>And would these beta-testers be little green men in space suits perchance?
>Norm
>Anthony Farr wrote:
>
> >
> >BTW Pentax did produce a DSLR but never sold it to the public. According to
> >Paal a number are in circulation in Japan, in the hands of beta-testers.
> >
> >
>
>
>




Re: Pentax dslr

2002-10-15 Thread Norm Baugher

And would these beta-testers be little green men in space suits perchance?
Norm
Anthony Farr wrote:

 >
 >BTW Pentax did produce a DSLR but never sold it to the public. 
According to
 >Paal a number are in circulation in Japan, in the hands of beta-testers.
 >
 >







Le site des Amateurs de PENTAX

2002-10-15 Thread Cyril MARION

Hello to our PDML's friends...

This post just to inform you about the creation of our website "Le site des
Amateurs de PENTAX"

You can find it here : www.pentaxiste.org

For those who are not affraid to communicate in French language, it's
possible to post your own contributions directly from the site; for instance
the galeries are published by the photographers themselves (at the date of
today ou galery is not as nice as the PUG, but we work on it...)

I hope you'll enjoy the visit,

Cheers from Paris - France,

Cyril
Webmaster of www.pentaxiste.org





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