Something a little different
---BeginMessage--- Hey Anthony, Thanks for the reply. I feel caught up in something that got much larger than it ever should have been. Lots of other emails from the list in my inbox, so gotta run. Take her easy! Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:05 AM Subject: Re: Pentax dslr Brad, Our 'phone industry was deregulated about a decade ago, before that it was a monopoly. There are only two 'phone companies (Telstra Optus) that have lines right into households, the rest buy line-time off the big two and onsell it, or are long-distance providers only. Those two are affiliated with the only two hard-wired cable TV companies (Foxtel with Telstra, and Optus under it's own name), and are the only source of infrastructure for dsl or cable internet, 'though again other smaller companies have their own servers and onsell the line time. Don't worry too much about your language. If you swear on-list you'll get enough flak from elsewhere for my comments to be redundant, so I won't bother. If you swear privately I don't mind so long as it's not aimed at me. Even then I'd probably tell you about it before anyone else. If someone is trying to get you TOSsed by you ISP I don't know of it and it hasn't shown up on-list in my parts yet. Check to see if that mail went to you or the whole list (see the final paragraph) William was a special case. His patronising, holier-than-thou facade slipped and showed him up as a hypocrite. I hate that. BTW the list is broken again, you need to insert PDML as the adressee when you reply to a post, otherwise it goes to the sender only. Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2002 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Pentax dslr - Original Message - From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:35 AM Subject: Re: Pentax dslr Ah crap, I think you just set me up to get bombed on the list or a letter to my ISP. and Not like it is in the US, how does Australia work? (being we are both British coloniessort of) Brad ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- You have an extreme view that is a little skewed I think. Generally if blame is to be cast, the child itself (in this very modern age) is a problem, as well in some schools, generally those that are not financially well off, it is the families fault. However, the provincial governments are also making it hard for teachers to maintain a proper learning environment. Hands are tied. With those two forces at work, it's definitely not ideal. Stress and teachersyou wouldn't believe the stats! It is a very stressful vocation. Brad Dobo ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- What, you are just insulting me more! Like I said, keep it and and I'll keep replying. You'd be amazed at my job. This is just a mailing list. There is far more to life than this and photography. Some of you live this, and that explains the constant reactions. Why don't you try and be a better man than I and stop first? Hmm? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Silly Question I might get married soon, probally would move to canada, since most of my friends already have. Would, if I have kids like them to go to a good school..see where I'm getting at :) Sides how much worse could it possibly get. he might be a pentax employee just trying to see how much frustration pentax users can take before they just go buy a Finepix S2 pro or other.. Feroze - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Silly Question I know I shouldn't write this, but aren't there a lot of things that we really wish we didn't know once we find out? At 03:01 PM 10/15/2002 +0200, Feroze Kistan wrote: Brad, just out of morbid curiosity what subjects do you teach the little kiddies Feroze ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Love you too Bruce!!! *kiss* Always yours, Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: RE: Re:To the pentax spies He's beginning to roll the steel balls in his hand again. Maybe he's just had too much strawberry ice cream. -Original Message- From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] snip ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop? Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not. Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email
Re: :)
You have an extreme view that is a little skewed I think. Generally if blame is to be cast, the child itself (in this very modern age) is a problem, as well in some schools, generally those that are not financially well off, it is the families fault. However, the provincial governments are also making it hard for teachers to maintain a proper learning environment. Hands are tied. With those two forces at work, it's definitely not ideal. Stress and teachersyou wouldn't believe the stats! It is a very stressful vocation. Brad Dobo
OT: Wal Mart-Frontier ?
Wasn't there someone who worked at a Wal Mart on the list? I have a question about the Photo CDs they offer. The local Wal Mart has the Fuji Frontier 390. Anyone who knows these things could please mail me off-list. Thanks, Cory Waters
Re: OT: Depth of Field
Hi, f/8 or be square! --- Bob Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 4:27:52 PM, you wrote: This is a techniques/opinions/experiences thread . . . I was always a big fan of telephotos, it has been a real change to use my new Pentax 20-35 zoom. In particular, I'm learning whole new ways to think about depth of field. With this in mind, the big question is: How do you think about DOF in the artistic sense and how does that manifest itself in you photography? What I'm looking for here is personal tendencies. Do you like maximum sharpness everywhere of narrow selection with nice bokeh. Yes, I know that it depends on the subject (portrait vs. landscape) but I'm looking for the range of personal expression.
RE: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
How do I setup a kill file? Thanks, Alex -Original Message- From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop? Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not. Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I apologized 5 minutes later. That's the fact and if someone wants to defend those who continually write them, wellthat's life. It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well, Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old in a Did too! Did NOT! shouting match. Gotta have the last word. g The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know the symbol for shaking my head. keith whaley * * * * Brad Dobo wrote: Perhaps you should stop? Or do you wish to continue with this? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** SEE SUBJECT LINE!!! Nick Wright www.wrightfoto.com --- Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now put you in the kill file. As I have now. William in Utah 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a bunch of sewer mouth crap My my, another one! Is there an end? Someone just threatened to kill me. Sewer mouth crap? Can we even use that word 'crap'? Crap is actually the same as S**t (poop) This the allowed? Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you Mormon William? My best and longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in Colorado. __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: Re:To the pentax spies
Are you still carrying on Vic? You would be wise to practice what you preach. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Re:To the pentax spies You're always apologizing for something. Hey, I have an idea, think before you type. Vic In a message dated 10/15/02 4:31:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the rest of the list members: Why did I bother with the apology? I'd really like someone to actually tell me on the board. Seems no one has read the apologies 10^2 I have posted or other peoples similar response, as I am still getting mailings about it. Why repeat it?
Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
Just proves my point. Thanks. You have a lot of growing up to do, young fella. Much luck. Don't bother to answer me. You're on my don't read - don't answer list. Plunk! keith whaley Brad Dobo wrote: I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop? Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not. Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I apologized 5 minutes later. That's the fact and if someone wants to defend those who continually write them, wellthat's life. It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well, Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old in a Did too! Did NOT! shouting match. Gotta have the last word. g The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know the symbol for shaking my head. keith whaley * * * * Brad Dobo wrote: Perhaps you should stop? Or do you wish to continue with this? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** SEE SUBJECT LINE!!! Nick Wright www.wrightfoto.com --- Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now put you in the kill file. As I have now. William in Utah 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a bunch of sewer mouth crap My my, another one! Is there an end? Someone just threatened to kill me. Sewer mouth crap? Can we even use that word 'crap'? Crap is actually the same as S**t (poop) This the allowed? Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you Mormon William? My best and longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in Colorado.
Re: OT: Depth of Field
wide open when I can... Bob Walkden wrote: Hi, f/8 or be square! ---
Re: OT: Wal Mart-Frontier ?
That would be Bill Robb, but I think he's having trouble with his ISP now :-) Norm CBWaters wrote: Wasn't there someone who worked at a Wal Mart on the list? I have a question about the Photo CDs they offer. The local Wal Mart has the Fuji Frontier 390. Anyone who knows these things could please mail me off-list.
Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
Tag, you're it Norm Brad Dobo wrote: I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop? Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not. Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I apologized 5 minutes later. That's the fact and if someone wants to defend those who continually write them, wellthat's life. It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well,
Re: Re:To the pentax spies
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: PDML (Pentax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Re:To the pentax spies While this fellow was posting this to the list, he was sending the attached email to me. He is who he is. His spots won't change. We're just going to have to endure him for a while just as we had to endure The Who and Mafud. Regards, Bob... From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once again, am I going to need a form letter? What is the point of this Cotty? You think that you unsubscribing will punish me? You actually just threatened me. That's not very acceptable behaviour. I'd in fact say threatening someone is worse than swearing on the board! Before this email, you wrote another one to me telling me to keep my opinions to myself, simply because you did not agree with them. Of course it was ok for you to post your opinion. What is with the attitude? Relax a bit. For the rest of the list members: Why did I bother with the apology? I'd really like someone to actually tell me on the board. Seems no one has read the apologies 10^2 I have posted or other peoples similar response, as I am still getting mailings about it. Why repeat it? What will Cotty gain from sending this? Is it a hatred of me? Is threatening to quit an attempt to get the long-time members against me as well? Does anyone have an answer? Please all valid questions I hope you can all answer, especially the 'Why did I bother with the apology?' Can a few of you send this to Cotty or the board again so Cotty can read it? I really don't know why he hates me for not wanting to hear 100 times the same thing about a DSLR or the fact I don't see one coming or don't want one. Sure I can ask to stop with the DSLR stuff can't it? It's what I think, it's an opinion, and of course, the biggest thing is no one is forced to do what I say. Man, I hate to send these messages time after time after time. Does the group want to focus on me despite what I say? Do I keep the kid who swears loudly in class inside and miss recesses for that day? I fit it fitting. Do I want them writing the WHOLE dictionary as punishment, instead of writing out 3 pages of the letter L in the dictionary? No, 3 pages of L is a lot and a fitting punishment. Do I request suspension for the child from the principal? Of course not. Does anyone understand this? Regards, Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:49 AM Subject: Re:To the pentax spies HEY PENTAX (expletive deleted), YOU READING THIS? SHOW YOURSELF TO THIS GROUP AND TELL US WHY WE ALL USE PENTAX EVEN THOUGH IT SUCKS! TELL US A TALE ABOUT A DIGITAL SLR! Brad, If you use language like this again, I will consider unsubscribing, which will be a shame. I have been reading and contributing to this list for a while now, and I have seldom seen such language used. I am not a prude, and have been known to blaspheme, but doing it in public on an email list is uncalled for. Unfortunately for me I get the digest version of the list, so I cannot delete your emails. I will not be reading any more of them. Apologies for being civilised,
Aurora Photos
Nice example of an Aurora photographn on the Astronomy Picture of the Day for Oct 15: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html Dan
Re: Re:To the pentax spies
Bob, you have just taken things too far. At least I apologized for my words. The rest is wasted. But don't get too hopeful, I like the PDML and plan on being here for a long long time. With valid contributions of course. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: PDML (Pentax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Re:To the pentax spies While this fellow was posting this to the list, he was sending the attached email to me. He is who he is. His spots won't change. We're just going to have to endure him for a while just as we had to endure The Who and Mafud. Regards, Bob...
Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
Heh, sounds like the opposite is the case Keith. Last word type of guy eh? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** Just proves my point. Thanks. You have a lot of growing up to do, young fella. Much luck. Don't bother to answer me. You're on my don't read - don't answer list. Plunk! keith whaley Brad Dobo wrote: I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop? Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not. Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I apologized 5 minutes later. That's the fact and if someone wants to defend those who continually write them, wellthat's life. It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well, Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old in a Did too! Did NOT! shouting match. Gotta have the last word. g The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know the symbol for shaking my head. keith whaley * * * * Brad Dobo wrote: Perhaps you should stop? Or do you wish to continue with this? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** SEE SUBJECT LINE!!! Nick Wright www.wrightfoto.com --- Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now put you in the kill file. As I have now. William in Utah 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a bunch of sewer mouth crap My my, another one! Is there an end? Someone just threatened to kill me. Sewer mouth crap? Can we even use that word 'crap'? Crap is actually the same as S**t (poop) This the allowed? Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you Mormon William? My best and longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in Colorado.
Re: Split the list or calm down ?
I got back from a long weekend out of town last night to over 500 e-mails! Of course, the vast majority of them were pdml. Unfortunately, most of them were useless garbage: He said this!, I already apologized!, I'm complaining to his ISP!, etc, etc., back and forth, forth and back. WAAA! (that's supposed to represent the sound of an infant crying g). Unfortunately, I really didn't have time to sift throught the crap and read anything worthwhile. What's up lately? A weekend with the list down not enough for everyone to calm down after Photokina, or did that just get everyone riled up even more? I don't wish to point any fingers, but it does seem to me that a small number of us are dominating the list with time-wasting drivel to satisfy their inflated egos. Believe me, you're not that important! Hopefully this will all blow over (as it usually does), and we can get back to talking about Pentax and photography, and stop the sniping and back-stabbing. Okay, everybody take a deep breath, have a beer/valium/prozac/whatever-substance-makes-you relax/meditate/do yoga - whatever. There now: feel better? Good, let's talk cameras... regards, frank Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: Yea, I know ;-) I've tried to calm down the list many times in the past as well... with mixed success. I've been on the Pentax list since 1996... don't remember the exact dates. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
RE: Re:To the pentax spies
-Original Message- From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Bob, you have just taken things too far. At least I apologized for my words. The rest is wasted. But don't get too hopeful, I like the PDML and plan on being here for a long long time. With valid contributions of course. When do you plan to start? You haven't contributed anything useful as of now. I've never actually had to do this, but I'm setting up a killfile just for you. Buh-bye. tv
Re: Split the list or calm down ?
Some people crave attention. If you respond to their untoward remarks, it just encourages them. I find that if I ignore people who are rude or obscene, they get tired of talking to themselves and stop a lot sooner than if I object or try to correct their behavior. Dan
kill files (WAS: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** )
In Outlook Expres you have to use what are called Mail Rules simply make a new rule specifing that anything with a FROM address with Brad Dobo in it goes immediately to the trash. In Netscape's mail program they are called filters, I think, but the idea is the same. -- Nick Wright http://www.wrightfoto.com/ -- From: alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** Date: Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 5:52 PM How do I setup a kill file? Thanks, Alex -Original Message- From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop? Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not. Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I apologized 5 minutes later. That's the fact and if someone wants to defend those who continually write them, wellthat's life. It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well, Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old in a Did too! Did NOT! shouting match. Gotta have the last word. g The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know the symbol for shaking my head. keith whaley * * * * Brad Dobo wrote: Perhaps you should stop? Or do you wish to continue with this? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** SEE SUBJECT LINE!!! Nick Wright www.wrightfoto.com --- Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now put you in the kill file. As I have now. William in Utah 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a bunch of sewer mouth crap My my, another one! Is there an end? Someone just threatened to kill me. Sewer mouth crap? Can we even use that word 'crap'? Crap is actually the same as S**t (poop) This the allowed? Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you Mormon William? My best and longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in Colorado. __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: Only 5 more days until...........
Seems to me that miniature Cottys and Archers have submitted recently, and with wonderful results, too! What a great way to encourage young 'uns to get into photography! Which reminds me: I gave my 20 year old a Pentax IQ Zoom for her birthday over the summer - time for the old man to start critiqueing her work (gotta get her ready for PUG!). Just don't let the kids read pdml right now - it might harm them irrepairably at this time... vbg cheers, frank Jostein wrote: Of course you can. btw, other people's kids do too, if you look closely... ;-) Jostein -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
OT: Take it off the list (RE: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***)
Ladies and gentlemen, I have had it. Brad you were wrong with what you did and I accept your apology (don't let it happen again). And my suggestion to you is to ignore other emails (not this one) concerning this topic. For the rest of you (and believe me I love you all) if you cannot accept his apology, please take it up with Brad off the list or filter him out or whatever, I don't think the list really cares what you do. And keep sending all the informative emails that have helped me so much during the last few years to this list. Thank you for your understanding Signed I got home today and 16 out of 92 emails from Pentax had nothing to do with Pentax or photography (I would have rather have received emails concerning C or N)
Re: Le site des Amateurs de PENTAX
Moi, je parle seulement une peu de francaise, mais peut-etre le site francophone est plus calme que ce site-ci! On peut espoire... bien a tous, frank andre wrote: Pas mal, les potes! There is an interesting article on how to modify the K and M lenses to have them work with multi-mode metering on newer body. Without making holes to emulate the Ka mount. Maybe this was known to PDMLers? Andre Hello to our PDML's friends... This post just to inform you about the creation of our website Le site des Amateurs de PENTAX You can find it here : www.pentaxiste.org For those who are not affraid to communicate in French language, it's possible to post your own contributions directly from the site; for instance the galeries are published by the photographers themselves (at the date of today ou galery is not as nice as the PUG, but we work on it...) I hope you'll enjoy the visit, Cheers from Paris - France, Cyril Webmaster of www.pentaxiste.org -- -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: PDML UK Camden Lock - pictures up
Bob Walkden wrote: Hi, to be absolutely accurate, it's an M3 (1959) single-stroke. The lens is a 1982 90/2.8 Tele-Elmarit M, the thin one, with an early model hood. Thanks, Bob... Back in those days, did Leicas still load/unload from the bottom? Bottom cover comes off, spools come out, etc...? Heck, for all *I* know, all R.F. Leicas still do! keith Tuesday, October 15, 2002, 3:40:39 PM, you wrote: Hi Keith, Thanks. The Leica was a III I believe, with a 90mm aboard. Bob Walkdens. It's a fun, if busy place. I didn't really get a good shot of Stan with his Pentax 645 - I should have. Cheers, Cot Lovely! = snipped = Was that a Leica RF I saw smashed up against someone's cheek? Small lens like that, and a small, thin body, almost had to be... Good stuff, Cotty Sir! Thanks. g
Re: Something a little different
Don't send attachments, please! I believe ~that~ is against the rules of the list. Anyone else know, or am I mistaken? -frank Brad Dobo wrote: (a bunch of attachments in an otherwise empty post) -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
RE: Pentax price list - but what was the year?
I reckon this must have been about 1985! Shaun Canning PhD Student Department of Archaeology School of European and Historical Studies La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086. Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2002 3:56 AM To: Pentax List Subject: Pentax price list - but what was the year? Okay, here's a great little game for you while war rages in the background g. My SO was (*finally*) sorting out her mess, er room, today, and came across a fairly comprehensive Pentax price list. There is no date on it - so, like countless 'What Was The Year' hours on music radio around the world, by looking at the price list (at the URL below), What Was The Year? Hint: the list is reproduced in full, 2 sides of an A4 sheet,and (presumably) contains all the gear that was available at the time of printing. Note no MX, and the only autofocus cameras were the SFXn and SF7... Have a look: http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/misc/pricelist.html Seriously, I don't know the answer - I'm curious. Cheers Cotty Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps
Re: Well, in an effort to bring around additional topics...
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:14:22 -0400 (EDT), gfen wrote: [...] For more money, I'll sell them a real silver print from the lab. [...] Speaking of that, can someone point me towards a Web site with information on gel prints? I'd google for it, but gel print returned too many hits to go through. :-) I need to learn about them from the ground up, since I know nothing about them at the moment. I'm looking for a way to get resale quality prints from digital files (scans of film :-). TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Well, in an effort to bring around additional topics...
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:26:06 -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote: I'm actually waiting for graveyards to be a PUG theme. We have this old graveyard in Lexington (believe it or not, Stonewall Jackson Cemetery). It's a great subject for BW, and you don't need model releases. . . If you visit the Spottsylvania National Battlefield Park (or is it Wilderness, or Fredericksburg) you can see the grave of Stonewall Jackson's arm. It's even got a little headstone. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Fw: Cameron's Pentax Comments
Norm, Your comment reveals more about you than about me. Off-list abuse is a cancer on the PDML, if you don't care that's your prerogative. Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2002 4:15 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Cameron's Pentax Comments Anthony Farr wrote: I'm not sure what, I was too busy pissing myself laughing on the floor!
Re: Pentax dslr
Ask Paal. And why are you unwilling to believe it? Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] And would these beta-testers be little green men in space suits perchance? Norm Anthony Farr wrote:
Re: Poll: Primes that we wish Pentax had built
Giancarlo suggested- Lens name: Pentax SMC FA 17-45/2.8 AL Length: 80mm Diameter: 82mm Weight: 560g Filter Thread: 77 I'd definitely buy this lens, and may i suggest the following ultra-ultra wide zoom: Lens name: Pentax SMC FA 14-28/2.8* AL Filter Thread: 77 max - if thread greater than 77 with f2.8, then reduce f3.5, just keep aperture constant Back to daydreaming amongst the lurkers of the world, Paul
Free Fuji NPH Film!!! (for Canadians, at least)
If you go to http://www.fujifilm.ca/ProCommunity and register, you will find lots of helpful information, of course, as well as links to putting up your own gallery and bio on the Fuji website. By registering and once approved (I told them that I was a semi-professional, and they didn't seem to mind) they send you your choice of 5 rolls of NPH 120 format, or three rolls of 35mm NPH. I don't know if this is only on the Canadian site or not, but it would hurt to try. It is also a great site, with marketing tips, etc. Well done, Fuji. I guess they need the rightoffs. Cameron Hood PS: maybe PDMLers in other countries could let the list know if their Fuji website is running similar offers.
Will be back soon
I am unsibscribing for a while -- it's wy too gorgeous outside to wais precious time on filtering (hopefully, temporary) flood of emails. If I can be of any service to anyone here, I am still very much available off the list. See ya guys in a while. Mishka P.S. Is there a no mail option these days?
Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP***
Actually yes, and I print off the real juvenile or insulting ones for them to read, they find it quite funny. My father said I'm glad I own a Minolta. So, what is the point of your question Norm? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:52 PM Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** Dude, do your parents know you're on this list? Brad Dodo wrote: Looks like a new email and identity may be needed! Want to play, we can play.
Re: Silly Question
You have to admit that Brad has a point there. He's given everyone a chance to let it drop and still save face. It's up to you what you do with that chance. It's then up to Brad to stay stopped. Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) Why don't you try and be a better man than I and stop first? Hmm? Brad Dobo
Re: ME Super
Yes. The MX and plain ME also have a gorgeous view also. Sure makes it tough to want to use the nice old MF lenses on my ZX-5n. William in Utah. 10/15/2002 6:54:04 PM, Robert Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, Anyone notice how wonderful the viewfinder is on an ME Super? Robert ___ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com
28mm f2.8 FA for Available Light Shots?
Hello All, I just purchased a 28mm f2.8 FA lens, thinking it would be good for low light photos. However, it seems to have a lot of light loss in the corners at f2.8 and f4. It would seem to defeat my purpose of available light photography if I have to set it to f5.6 or so. Is this expected with this lens? Is the 35mm f2 FA vignetting any better? That had been my second choice, and maybe now the first. I have a 50mm f1.7 FA, but was hoping for something wider in low light. Then again, maybe this is the chance for the 43mm f1.9. Thanks for your help. Brian
Re: Bellows, lens and LX (was: SMC Pentax K-Mount Macro Lens Poll)
I wrote earlier saying that you should buy one only if you can find one at a good price. The FB1/FD1 combination is pretty good. On the weekend, however, I had the opportunity to shoot in a studio setting photographing still lifes, extreme closeups of glass, etc. The FE1 was the finder of choice and it was truly a pleasure to use. So I am revising my suggestion to -- go out there and hunt one down and grab it if you can find it. They are not easy to find so if you know where one is, go for it... Vic In a message dated 10/15/02 12:36:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have never used the FB1/FD1, but I have the FE-1, and I can second Mishka's opinion. The image is not only HUGE; it is also very, very bright. I would gues about a 2 EV difference... More I need not say. Cheers, Boz
Re: Silly Question
Ok - Original Message - From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: Re: Silly Question You have to admit that Brad has a point there. He's given everyone a chance to let it drop and still save face. It's up to you what you do with that chance. It's then up to Brad to stay stopped. Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) Why don't you try and be a better man than I and stop first? Hmm? Brad Dobo
Re: ME Super
I really missed the ME Super viewfinder after I sold mine, especially with a fast 50mm attached. Then I got my 6x7 and life in the viewfinder world is good again. Norm William Johnson wrote: Yes. The MX and plain ME also have a gorgeous view also. Sure makes it tough to want to use the nice old MF lenses on my ZX-5n. William in Utah. 10/15/2002 6:54:04 PM, Robert Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, Anyone notice how wonderful the viewfinder is on an ME Super?
Re: 28mm f2.8 FA for Available Light Shots?
Brian, That's a common attribute of wide lenses, your lens is typical. Most available light situations should mask the problem, the more picture elements there are the smaller the problem will be. Just beware of shooting landscapes with clear blue skies at wide apertures. Of course copy-work isn't recommended ;-) Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Brian Kauffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, I just purchased a 28mm f2.8 FA lens, thinking it would be good for low light photos. However, it seems to have a lot of light loss in the corners at f2.8 and f4. It would seem to defeat my purpose of available light photography if I have to set it to f5.6 or so. Is this expected with this lens? Is the 35mm f2 FA vignetting any better? That had been my second choice, and maybe now the first. I have a 50mm f1.7 FA, but was hoping for something wider in low light. Then again, maybe this is the chance for the 43mm f1.9. Thanks for your help. Brian
List broken again?
Looks like the reply function is once again addressing the sender, not PDML. Regards, Anthony Farr
Ebay Prices
I haven't shopped Ebay in a while (in the US), anyone notice any overall price change/reduction patterns in the last 6 months to a year due to digital and/or the US economy Norm
Re: Wal Mart-Frontier ?
- Original Message - From: CBWaters Subject: OT: Wal Mart-Frontier ? Wasn't there someone who worked at a Wal Mart on the list? I have a question about the Photo CDs they offer. The local Wal Mart has the Fuji Frontier 390. There are too many ways of doing this now. The Fronteir may be able to burn the CD, but the website doesn't give that information. Our newer Noritsu machines will make the CD from the same file it uses to print the picture. There are also stand alone units that will make CD's. They come in two flavours, the cheap and cheerful picture CD, which is made from the prints, and the better quality Photo CD, or whatever the Fuji equivalent is. Why don't you ask them how they are sourcing the files for their CDs? Anyone who knows these things could please mail me off-list. Nah, you just can't keep anything offlist these days. William (mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Robb
Re: Re:Only 5 more days until...........
Is yours an LM? I have one of those with a roll of film in it since the Beaches TPDML. I still don't know how it performs. Shame on me. It's a neat camera. Jeff. - Original Message - From: David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Re:Only 5 more days until... I was up in Madawaska this weekend.Dull,rainy windy,except for(you quessed it)the day we had to come home(Monday).Did manage to shoot 1 1/2 rolls of colour and BREAK MY YASHICA MAT Waa. Any one know it the focus knob on the Y-M is fixable at a reasonable charge?? Dave - Original Message - From: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Re:Only 5 more days until... The weather didn't cooperate much, but I managed to shoot a couple rolls of 120 film.
Re: Ebay Prices
- Original Message - From: Norman Baugher Subject: Ebay Prices I haven't shopped Ebay in a while (in the US), anyone notice any overall price change/reduction patterns in the last 6 months to a year due to digital and/or the US economy Everything I want now seems really expensive. I suppose this may be because I have all the less expensive stuff now. William Robb
Re: Ebay Prices
I was thinking about selling my Nikon F + FTn Head + Nikkor 50mm/f2, but the prices are way down(almost halved). Also some of my Pentax stuff, but missed the boat again. May have better luck at the swap meet in a few weeks. James - Original Message - From: Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: Ebay Prices I haven't shopped Ebay in a while (in the US), anyone notice any overall price change/reduction patterns in the last 6 months to a year due to digital and/or the US economy Norm
Re: Fw: Cameron's Pentax Comments
Norm, Your comment reveals more about you than about me. Off-list abuse is a cancer on the PDML, if you don't care that's your prerogative. From now on, well just call you Melanorman HAR!! William Robb
Re: Cameron's Pentax Comments
Perhaps we should set up an abuse hotline? G Norm - Original Message - From: Anthony Farr Subject: Re: Fw: Cameron's Pentax Comments Norm, Your comment reveals more about you than about me. Off-list abuse is a cancer on the PDML, if you don't care that's your prerogative.
Re: List broken again?
Seems so Anthony, my emails are not showing on the list at all...since well, the last 6 hours or so? I even sent from 3 different addresses. Just have to wait and see. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:24 PM Subject: List broken again? Looks like the reply function is once again addressing the sender, not PDML. Regards, Anthony Farr
RE: kill files (WAS: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** )
Thanks, Nick. After being on the Net for over 5 years this is the first time I found I _really_ need it. Alex -Original Message- From: Nick Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:39 PM To: alex; PDML Subject: kill files (WAS: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** ) In Outlook Expres you have to use what are called Mail Rules simply make a new rule specifing that anything with a FROM address with Brad Dobo in it goes immediately to the trash. In Netscape's mail program they are called filters, I think, but the idea is the same. -- Nick Wright http://www.wrightfoto.com/ -- From: alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** Date: Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 5:52 PM How do I setup a kill file? Thanks, Alex -Original Message- From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** I'll keep replying if others keep sending me messages, want it to stop? Pass the word around to stop the insults and blaming and what-not. Remember, I quite I've been quite wronged from just one email that I apologized 5 minutes later. That's the fact and if someone wants to defend those who continually write them, wellthat's life. It's easy to stop, you guy can let it go as well, Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** You just can't leave it alone, can you Brad? Just like a 10-year old in a Did too! Did NOT! shouting match. Gotta have the last word. g The 'emoticon' does NOT mean I find it amusing...it means I don't know the symbol for shaking my head. keith whaley * * * * Brad Dobo wrote: Perhaps you should stop? Or do you wish to continue with this? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: BRAD PLEASE JUST ***STOP*** SEE SUBJECT LINE!!! Nick Wright www.wrightfoto.com --- Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *IF* Pentax reads this list, I'll bet they've now put you in the kill file. As I have now. William in Utah 10/14/2002 4:02:59 PM, Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a bunch of sewer mouth crap My my, another one! Is there an end? Someone just threatened to kill me. Sewer mouth crap? Can we even use that word 'crap'? Crap is actually the same as S**t (poop) This the allowed? Sewer mouth crapjust wondering but are you Mormon William? My best and longest friend is a Mormon, did his mission in Colorado. __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: List broken again?
Doesn't sound broken to me, sounds like it's working like it should :-) Brad Dodo wrote: Seems so Anthony, my emails are not showing on the list at all...since well, the last 6 hours or so? I even sent from 3 different addresses. Just have to wait and see.
Re: OT: Re: Split the list or calm down ?
At 18:09 15.10.2002 +0300, Don wrote: Looks like I've come back at the end of another flare-up. I'll hang about a bit to see if it fades away. Why wait? Because I missed the informative posts. I hope it doesn't start all over again. This kind of thing is so boring. I don't know how long I've been on this list because twice, at least, Outlook Express has destroyed the contents of all its folders. Have you tried Eudora ? Why use a MS product which does not do the job and which is most vulnerable to virus attacs ? Backups could be nice every now and then too ;-) Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 500 789 753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 10 264 0777 *
Re: Silly Question
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Feroze Kistan Subject: Re: Silly Question I might get married soon, probally would move to canada, since most of my friends already have. Would, if I have kids like them to go to a good school..see where I'm getting at :) Come west, but not to far. We get weird again in B.C. William Robb We're normal here in B.C., it is the rest of the world that is weird. -- David S. Nature and wildlife photography http://www.sheppardphotos.com
Re: Well, in an effort to bring around additional topics...
--- gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm goth, I get away with it all year.. :) How old are you, man? You know, I have some of those sitting around, but I choose not to do that, because since its our first time in a contest, I didn't want to be the person who came in and upset things.. They may be a bit more literal with their themes than the Pug encourages. Eh, go for it. Break the mold. Shatter the cliche. Do the Dew. I probably won't get a chance to do anything except pull from my archives, which I don't really want to do as I don't have anything from a graveyard I'm happy with. I wanted to go out and do something in IR, either HIE or HIR, but I don't think that's going to happen either. Hey, there's an idea. Infrared might do some nifty stuff on monuments, especially the polished granite. I remember a magazine contest on IR and the winner submitted a hand colored shot of a space shuttle launch. The coloring was a really innovative approach. I learned that Boxing Day has nothing to do with Canadian independence. Hey, I learned that too. :) I thought it actually had to do with prize fighting. Also, I'd like to point out there was over $200 of china and glasses broken, plus two folding tables (they were dancing on them). The cops broke the reception up before they were able to pull their guns out and start shooting into the air. No, I'm not kidding. :) Protestant American weddings are so boring. When I get married, we're going to break things, forget traditions. I just mailed my brother and asked him if he wants me to do it, or not. Obviously, I'll take pictures regardless, but if he wants me to try and do it all out, its his tab for film and processing.. I've never even been to a baptism, I have no idea what goes on. I go to an Evangelical-type church so the baptism was the whole-body dunk in a pool. I don't have my Bible in front of me but the verse goes He that believes and is baptised shall be saved. He that does not believe [is condemned]. That's not exact but it's pretty close. There are some denominations that feel that if you're never baptised it's hellfire and brimstone for you. However, the emphasis in the scriptures is on belief, not on getting wet. Baptism is an outward sign of your belief and symbolic of Christ's death and resurrection (going under the water, coming out of the water.) This links it to washing away or dying to the old, sinful nature of mankind. It also stems in part from many ceremonial cleansings in Judaism. The very early church was largely Jewish. In fact somewhere the apostle Paul writes that he is baptised into Christ or something like that. Along with Holy Communion, it's one of the few Christain rituals laid down in the New Testament, but again, the primary emphasis is still on belief. I was baptised in a Methodist church in San Marcos, TX, which is a really photogenic little college town in its own right. The church itself is a huge white thing about two blocks off the town square and was established in the 19th century by circuit riders (preachers on horseback). Actually, it wasn't in the church but in the San Marcos River. Beautiful but cold. Some Methodist churches just put a handful of water on your head. Not as dramatic but to the same end. Plus, I guess its technically not a baptism, but a christening, I just can't pronounce christening, I'll keep referring to it as baptism. I think a christening is what they do with babies when they give the child a Christian name. I think. Of course, I'd still have to pick up an inkjet printer, and I decided last night that I now, in fact, loathe my flatbed scanner. Hmm, yesterday I saw a flyer for CompUSA that was advertising several film scanners for less than $300. Don't remember the models or brands. You've just earned big points with the word minimalist, which I so totally live for. Ooh, do I get a cookie? :) Thanks, I did a lot of fine arts reviews for my college paper so I had to whip out the big art words on occasion. I can't imagine not having a fall, its one of the only perks of living in the north east.. And what a perk! Our seasons here are more tropical. Summer lasts from about March through September. The rest of the year is really mild. I think last year we had a total of 30 hours freezing temperatures spread out over January and February. Mainly it's just wet season and dry season. Now it's the wet season and starting to cool off. Still, it has advantages. Where else in the continental US can you go to the beach in December? :) Deb in TX __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: OT If you think Pentax users are strange...
Actually if you look carefully at the second photo the flash looks like a Dalek (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/gallery/dalek/) bearing down on the poor little Kangasquirrel :-) This just proves that Minolta is evil. What with their Dalek-flashes terrorizing the peaceful Kangasquirrels of Finland. Where's the Doctor? Doctor Whooo-oo, HEY! Going to a football game Friday, so I gotta rehearse. Deb in TX __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: OT: Depth of Field
Steve Desjardins wrote: How do you think about DOF in the artistic sense and how does that manifest itself in you photography? I like shallow DOF. Especially in my macros. It helps to isolate my subject and give a quasi-3rd dimension to my pictures. Except most of my landscapes where I tend to make everything look sharp. I wouldn't buy a camera without a DOF preview. It can be a bit challenging to get exactly the right DOF (one reason why I use SLRs over rangefinders)... Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Re:To the pentax spies
Are you still carrying on Vic? You would be wise to practice what you preach. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Re:To the pentax spies You're always apologizing for something. Hey, I have an idea, think before you type. Vic In a message dated 10/15/02 4:31:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the rest of the list members: Why did I bother with the apology? I'd really like someone to actually tell me on the board. Seems no one has read the apologies 10^2 I have posted or other peoples similar response, as I am still getting mailings about it. Why repeat it?
Re: Re:To the pentax spies
Bob, you have just taken things too far. At least I apologized for my words. The rest is wasted. But don't get too hopeful, I like the PDML and plan on being here for a long long time. With valid contributions of course. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: PDML (Pentax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Re:To the pentax spies While this fellow was posting this to the list, he was sending the attached email to me. He is who he is. His spots won't change. We're just going to have to endure him for a while just as we had to endure The Who and Mafud. Regards, Bob
