Re: Displaying images on the web

[Cotty]

>Don't worry Cotty, at least your Mac is consistent within itself.  I use 
>Photoshop LE (precursor to Elements) which is preset to "Mac" gamma.  
>There is nowhere to change the gamma setting.
>
>So I get a picture looking good in Photoshop in Windows, then I open it 
>in Internet Explorer (or as a wallpaper image) in Windows, and it looks 
>dark.

Hi Dave,

Surely you change the monitor gamma setting in the OS and not the 
application??

Cotty


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Re: Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs. 100mm 2.8

[akozak]

Instead od M100/2.8 try to find K105/2.8, it is allegedly much better lens ( I own 
it-very nice)
Alek

Użytkownik Ken Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał:
>I just bought a M 100/2.8 on your advice. I don't need a macro, but I 
>did need a 100/105 lens for field portraits of handlers with their 
>dogs. This is probably one of the easiest lens to focus for a guy who 
>went mostly to AF because of bad eyes. I love this lens. Thanks for 
>your great contributions to the PDML.
>
>Ken
>
>On Saturday 15 June 2002 02:16 am, Mark Cassino wrote:
>> On macro vs non macro lenses: I have an M 100 f2.8 and a Kiron 105mm
>> f2.8 macro (identical to the Vivitar Series 1 100mm f2.5). With the M
>> lens it takes about a 100 degree turn of the lens to move form
>> infinity to 2 meters focus distance. With the Kiron it takes about a
>> 30 degree twist. Yes - you can keep turning the Kiron forever till
>> it gets to 1:1, but for fine adjustment of focus at longer working
>> distances, non macros are better. (And thanks to Valentin Donisia who
>> taught me this - though I argued the point with him at the time!)
>-- 
>Ken Archer Canine Photography
>San Antonio, Texas
>"Business Is Going To The Dogs"
>
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Re: pentax UK repair dept

[Jeff]

Thanks for the replies

I wrote to Japan in September and have not had any reply. The address I used
was

The Director
Service Department (International)
Asahi Optical Co. ltd
11-1, Nagata-cho 1-chome
Chiyoda-ku
Tokyo 100
Japan

Maybe anyone knows a better address?

I wrote to amateur photographer in November - same letter as below, but they
will not print it as a matter of policy. However they said they would
contact Pentax. I haven't heard anything.

I'll try the pentaxuser website as suggested.

If anyone's got any addresses I could write to I'd be greatful.

cheers

jeff

- Original Message -
From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: pentax UK repair dept


Hi,

sorry to hear you had such a bad time with them. I've never used their
services (?) so can't help much there. However, you might also like to
share your complaints with the Pentax User club and magazine, who are at
http://www.pentaxuser.co.uk/pages/contact.htm.

I would also suggest you keep some of the print magazines, including
Amateur Photographer, informed as this will be of considerable
interest to their readership. I'd also write to the
professionally-oriented press. A lot of professionals still use LXs,
and won't be too happy to know that they might be treated this way.

Finally, it wouldn't do any harm at all to let Pentax Japan know what
is being done in their name.

---

 Bob

Sunday, December 8, 2002, 6:45:50 PM, you wrote:

> hi



> I have used Pentax cameras for 25 years. In July this year I sent my
immaculate and recently purchased Pentax LX to Pentax UK to repair a loose
DoF button.  It was returned to me in with a large
> dent on the prism, which could only have resulted from a very forceful
impact and paint scraped back to the metal from all the edges.  The
packaging in which it was posted was in pristine condition
> (I still have it) and the camera clearly had been in this damaged
condition when it was packed by the Pentax UK repair department.



> While the damage could be cosmetically repaired, it is difficult to asses
what longer-term malfunctions might ensue from a blow of this severity. So,
after an exchange of correspondence with Mr
> Brian Light, Director at Pentax UK I received a letter from their Mr Jetha
apologising and stating that Pentax UK would replace my camera with another
of comparable quality to its pre-damage
> condition (mint-).



> I had returned my camera to Pentax to enable their assessment.  I was
therefore shocked to receive a further letter from them saying that they had
repaired my camera and were returning it to me. I
> had previously specifically and repeatedly refused my consent to this
procedure, in writing.  The camera duly arrived in the post, with the strap
and its attachment clips missing.



> I wrote to Pentax, with copies to all directors and relevant personnel, to
complain about this, and to request the return of my carrying strap and its
attachment clips, which they promised to do by
> phone and in a letter, weeks ago, but which have still not been returned.
I have received no reply at all to my complaint except a note denying any
and all responsibility. Further letters have
> received no reply. A post repair valuation of my camera shows that it has
lost £700 in value due to its damage history.  The loss of the strap + clips
means I cannot carry it outside.



> I mentioned this to my local dealer, Jessops of Lancaster and was amazed
to learn that a camera they had sent to Pentax UK recently had also been
returned with a dent in the lens, again clearly the
> result of a heavy impact.  They had also received no satisfaction from
Pentax and have provided documentary evidence to this effect.



> I am writing to discover if other customers of the Pentax UK repair
department have experienced similar difficulties. I have copies of all
correspondence and pictures of the damage.









> Jeff Woodman

> Tel: 01524 33410
> 11 Regent St

> Lancaster LA1 1SG
> UK

Re: Re[6]: electra studio flash/ring flash

[Feroze Kistan]

Don't you just love that!
Feroze
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Re[6]: electra studio flash/ring flash


> 
> On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 02:09  PM, Feroze Kistan wrote:
> 
> > Its amazing what you guys know. Thanks
> > to all who replied. I think I found what I was looking for.
> > Its called a Trilite, its made by Bowens. It uses 3 25W
> > spiral lamps which give out 375W in total. But, and this
> > is according to the PDF I downloaded you can place on the
> > cocoon and it wont burn it.
> >
> > http://www.bowensinternational.com/pages/continuousspec.html
> >
> > Hope this is the right one, what do you guys think
> > Feroze
> >
> 
> That's a compact fluorescent. :-)
> 
> Dan Scott
> 
> 

Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs. 100mm 2.8

[Heiko Hamann]

Hi Alek,

on 09 Dec 02 you wrote in pentax.list:

>Instead od M100/2.8 try to find K105/2.8, it is allegedly much better lens (
>I own it-very nice) Alek

Not necessarily. I've owned both M100 and K105 and found the M100 better  
(sharper, more contrast, lighter). So I've sold the K105 and kept the  
M100 which I am *very* satisfied with. Either I had a poor K105 or my  
M100 is an outstanding good performer...

Regards, Heiko

Re: Re: K35/3.5 K35/2 M35/2.8 (was: Who has switched...)

[akozak]

But in Yoshihiko test there is small difference and when I asked him about these 
lenses he recommended K ones, K35/3.5 and K35/2.0, according to him much better!
And new FA35/2.0 is probably very good lens.
Alek
Użytkownik Andre Langevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał:
>>I find this a bit weird as I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) the M 
>>35/2.8 is optically identical to the A 35/2.8, the latter among 
>>Pentax weaker efforts (probably in the league with the A 28/2.8 and 
>>A 135/2.8 lenses). According to tests I've seen the A 35/2 is 
>>apparently even worse.
>Pal
>
>>And it was M35/2.8 lens for sure? test was done about 15 year ago I think.
>>Even better than Zeiss? I asked since many people believe K 35mm 
>>lenses are alegedly much better.
>>Alek
>
>The K lenses were not part of the "competition" as they had been, at 
>that time, discontinued.
>
>Now, again, "much better"? Certainly not. The difference between 
>these lenses are small. See for yourself:
>
>http://www.takinami.com/yoshihiko/photo/lens_test/pentax_35.html
>
>M35/2.8 is better than K35/2 almost everywhere. But all these 
>differences are small and may vary from one lens to another. If the 
>test was done on 5 lenses of each, we would have a better picture...
>
>I personnally prefer K lenses because they handle better (I have 
>quite big hands). But if I travel, I use M lenses. The difference 
>between these lenses optically is very small.
>
>Having said that, K35/3.5 is in a special class. It is one of the 
>highest resolution lens ever made, and have no flare even with spot 
>lights in front of you. But rather big and slow.
>
>Andre
>--
>
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Re: MZ-S (MZ-S review)

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

on 09.12.02 7:23, Michel Carr?re-Gée at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> MZ-S is very, very nice camera, the only bad point is the "??$-?#]°?%
> selector for the AF point !
> 
> You can read French MZ-S review:
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/mz-s.htm
> And others: BG-10, AF360FGZ
> 
Nice reviews! Is this true that MZ-S costs so much (1350 Eur) in France?
Here in Poland, where Pentax has usually high prices, you can buy it
slightly below 1000 Eur (including our 22% VAT), and in Germany you can find
it in shops for around 950 Eur... That make a very big difference.

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek

test

[Bob Rapp]

ping

Re: Displaying images on the web

[Herb Chong]

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Hi Dave,

Surely you change the monitor gamma setting in the OS and not the 
application??

Cotty<

not in Windows. that is why it is so complicated. the OS itself doesn't
care and doesn't use anything. the video card device driver can be
configured, but that is specific to the hardware vendor's device drivers
and optional. many don't have any such setting. that is why Adobe invented
the Adobe Gamma program. it runs at startup and stays resident to load a
pre-stored monitor profile created that has the correct gamma. you have to
create that profile with another Adobe-supplied part of Adobe Gamma. it is
completely up to applications and device drivers to load and use color
profiles in Windows. something like Adobe Gamma should have been part of
the OS. that is why there are only a handful of image editing programs that
can be used for serious photographic manipulation in Windows. they are the
ones that know what color profile has been loaded for a monitor and
actually use it when displaying images.

Herb

Re: test

[Keith Whaley]

Pong.

Bob Rapp wrote:
> 
> ping

Re: Free gift!!

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Annsann wrote:
"Has anyone every pointed out (of course someone has) that "free
gift" is redundant?  However, in this case I'm pretty skeptical
that it is free.  Best case scenario, you add yourself to a list
and get spam."

My dry sense of humour to the fore, I'm afraid.  It was _meant_
to be a parody of the type of spam you were detailing.  The
offer, from an erstwhile PDML member who I am happy to vouch
for, is genuine.  If you get any spam, I'll _keep_ the MZ-S and
FA*28-70 he has loaned to me.  8-)

mike

RE: Free gift!!

[Rob Brigham]

Better still, If I get any spam you can give them to me!

> -Original Message-
> From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 09 December 2002 11:38
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Free gift!!
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Annsann wrote:
> "Has anyone every pointed out (of course someone has) that 
> "free gift" is redundant?  However, in this case I'm pretty 
> skeptical that it is free.  Best case scenario, you add 
> yourself to a list and get spam."
> 
> My dry sense of humour to the fore, I'm afraid.  It was 
> _meant_ to be a parody of the type of spam you were 
> detailing.  The offer, from an erstwhile PDML member who I am 
> happy to vouch for, is genuine.  If you get any spam, I'll 
> _keep_ the MZ-S and FA*28-70 he has loaned to me.  8-)
> 
> mike
> 
> 

Back!

[Frantisek Vlcek]

Hi friends,
   after the two months or so, I am back and fortunately, in fine
   health. I won't have enough time to be subscribed to the list and
   participate as I did, so I will just sub and unsub (hop on, hop
   off) from time to time. Probably more time off, especially with all
   the "guns" messages and such. But it was - and is - fun here still.
   Thank you guys who expressed concern over me when I was leaving. I
   am glad Mike is back on list too :) I hope someday I will be able
   to read your 37th frame (if the subscription list will be still open by
   then). I won't be much on the list as I have sold some equipment,
   and I don't need any more :) keeping the basics only - ME-S, LX,
   winer, 35/2, a longer zoom. I concentrate now more on photography than
   the equipment talks :) I have an exhibition of my reportage
   photographs from rock/alternative/... festivals, which I am glad of
   (of course ), and a lot of film to develop and print, and some
   projects to photograph, so again, not much time left to be talking
   here. But I plan from time to time to get on. Right now, I would
   like to ask few questions, and what better place than PDML to ask
   them, I don't know! See my separate messages - it's about LX, and
   ME-S customization.

   Good light to you all,
Frantisek

ME Super customization

[Frantisek Vlcek]

Hi friends,
   I have this ME-Super which I bought from Boz to compliment the LX
   as a "stealth" camera (compared to the LX it certainly is!), and as
   one which I can literarily bang around in any bag.

   I would like the camera to be smaller and more streamlined, and
   easier to hold. I have therefore made few customizations to it and
   want to do few more, which I wanted to discuss first here.

   1) removing of selftimer lever. It's just a nuisance as my fingers
   frequently set the timer just by gripping the camera. I capped the
   hole and glued the cap in place (but it can be removed if I need).
   Better solution would be a Leica style selftimer disk, which would
   be possible too with some metal tools, and maybe I will do it in
   future.

   2) I want to remove the hotshoe, as it just catches on any clothing
   easily, making removing the camera from a pocket slower. It's all
   contact mounted, so no loose wires to cut. However, I will have to
   make a a square metal cap with holes to cover it. No problem. This
   camera will be loaded with 1600 film all the time, anyway, and on
   the rare occasion I will use flash I can use a bracket.

   3) Making a grip like the LX grip. This would greatly improve the
   handling of the camera singlehandedly. I am thinking of making it
   of wood. Making a sort of bracket for the bottom of aluminium,
   ending in a screw secured to the wood, and the bracket screwed into
   tripod socket. The other end of the wood grip could be unsecured
   (like the grip on Winder ME/MEII is), or secured by running a screw
   trough the strap lugs hole (removing the old nut and strap lug).
   This is an operation I need some comments on. Of course I also
   considered just using a winder without batteries, but it's somewhat
   too big. If I get a broken winder ME, I might give it a thought.

   4) changing focus screen. I would like to put there an LX screen
   for its better brightness and ease of focus. recalibrating the
   meter probably. I need more comments on this. The three screws
   accessible from the mirror box are for removing the screen in its
   frame, or are they springloaded screws for changing the screens
   position to calibrate focus? Is the ME-S's screen same "type" like
   the later interchangeable screens (that is, a combined
   fresnel/groundglass, probably "lasermatte" surface), or is it the
   older type consisting of several units (groundglass with or without
   fresnel, perhaps combined with condenser, and separate fresnel,
   like on earlier K bodies)? It's not clear to me from the PDF Mark
   Roberts put up on his service mans page.

   Thanks for any comments, insight, more suggestions for
   cusomizations, ... Upon finishing it more, I will put up a web page
   detailing it for other Pentax users out there :)

Good light,
 Frantisek Vlcek

new LX screens, in JAPAN

[Frantisek Vlcek]

Hi friends,
   I have a friend who is most probably going to Japan early
   next year, and I thought of asking him to look for the new LX
   screens there, buying few for me (and maybe I could pass few to
   others if interested).

   Our Japanese members (and others of course), would you please
   happen to know if it is still possible to buy the Sx-60 type
   LX screens in Japan, and where, and aproximately for what price in
   Yen? I am most interested in the SE60 screen.

   Thank you very much for any information.
   
   

Good light,
 Frantisek Vlcek

Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings

[Brad Dobo]

Hey folks,

I have a question.  I get totally lost when it comes to EV, well, not the
basic usage, but let me tell you what I want.  I've got Kodak P3200 film
here, now I can set the ISO to 6400 to have it push-processed.  Is that as
far as I can take it or can I push it further using the EV dial, and if I
can, in what way and how would I know at say +-3 what ISO I'd be at?  This
is with the MZ-S btw.

Weird and perhaps stupid question I know, but I'm interested in hearing
comments.

Brad
**
Brad W. Dobo, HBA (Eds.)
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ#: 1658

Re: Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings

[Alan Chan]

ISO100+3EV = 800. The equation is: 100 x 2 x 2 x 2
Perhaps ISO3200+3EV = 25600?

regards,
Alan Chan


I have a question.  I get totally lost when it comes to EV, well, not the
basic usage, but let me tell you what I want.  I've got Kodak P3200 film
here, now I can set the ISO to 6400 to have it push-processed.  Is that as
far as I can take it or can I push it further using the EV dial, and if I
can, in what way and how would I know at say +-3 what ISO I'd be at?  This
is with the MZ-S btw.

Weird and perhaps stupid question I know, but I'm interested in hearing
comments.



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RE: Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Brad,

AFAIK, if you have a hand meter, and the MZ-S has a fully manual mode (i.e.
shutter speed and aperture) then you can push that film to 12,800 or 25,000
or anywhere in between.  

The meter of course would have to be able to go to those ASA/ISO values (or
you can calculate them by extrapolation) but you don't necessarily need to
limit yourself to the max asa that the camera can handle as long as you can
override that.

Kodak Tmax 3200 should be able to be pushed as far as 25,000 IIRC. 
Remember though that you're going to lose shadow detail as you go higher
than the 3200.

Cheers,
Dave

P.S. if I'm wrong in any of that stuff - I'm sure the list will correct me
accordingly :)
 

Original Message:
-
From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:08:11 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings


Hey folks,

I have a question.  I get totally lost when it comes to EV, well, not the
basic usage, but let me tell you what I want.  I've got Kodak P3200 film
here, now I can set the ISO to 6400 to have it push-processed.  Is that as
far as I can take it or can I push it further using the EV dial, and if I
can, in what way and how would I know at say +-3 what ISO I'd be at?  This
is with the MZ-S btw.

Weird and perhaps stupid question I know, but I'm interested in hearing
comments.

Brad
**
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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ#: 1658





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Fame, Luminous Landscape abuse and Mikes latest column...

[Rob Brigham]

Major upset to see that luminous landscape is down due to abuse
(although they no longer state the reason on the banner page).  What
abuse was this, and how serious was it?  Will they be back soon?

Anyway, glad that we had the links to Mike J's other host for his Sunday
stuff listed on here recently, which meant I could still get my fix this
week! http://www.steves-digicams.com/smp/smp_index.html

And what a surprise!  I am famous at last!  "Perhaps predictably, one
fellow, affably and perhaps not terribly seriously, said 'You can never
have too many.'" said Mike - that wuz me!!!

Nice to see the Pentax biggie shown there!

I am not sure I totally agree with the paragraph:

"Any kind of specialist photographer will immediately recoil from the
suggestion that photographers could benefit from having only one or two
lenses. Lenses can allow access - to tiny things or to far-away things,
and to exotic angles of view. More lenses are usually needed for more
specialized work or for different kinds of specialties, which is why
pros tend to own the most."

Surely pros and specialists are more likely that amateurs to only need a
small number of focal lengths as their requirements tend to be more
clearly defined.  Whereas an amateur shoots all manner of subjects and
specialities and thus wants a lens for EVERY purpose?

As an amateur I photograph motorsports and wildlife, landscapes,
portraits, macros and everything in between.  A pro is more likely to
focus on a small number of core areas surely?  This would lead me to
believe that actually amateurs tend to own the most?

Mike does actually seem to agree with this himself to a degree and I am
not sure if he actually contradicts his earlier statement when he says:

"Anyone who uses a view camera or a rangefinder Leica almost by
definition uses only a few focal lengths, although as wealthy hobbyists
have invaded the domain more and more people are found amassing large
collections of lenses even for those devices. The principle seems
straightforward: the more lenses you have, the better equipped you will
be to handle any situation you encounter; and, he who has the most toys,
wins."

I wholeheartedly agree when he says:

"the exercise of picking one prime lens and shooting with it exclusively
until you've forgotten what other lenses feel like is a learning
experience that you will carry with you for the rest of your life"

Though...

Re: Back!

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

on 09.12.02 12:50, Frantisek Vlcek at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Welcome back Frantisek!
Glad to see you in good health again! I hope we will see your photo-work
anytime soon on the net. Let us know ;-)

> Hi friends,
> after the two months or so, I am back and fortunately, in fine
> health. I won't have enough time to be subscribed to the list and
> participate as I did, so I will just sub and unsub (hop on, hop
> off) from time to time. Probably more time off, especially with all
> the "guns" messages and such. But it was - and is - fun here still.
> Thank you guys who expressed concern over me when I was leaving. I
> am glad Mike is back on list too :) I hope someday I will be able
> to read your 37th frame (if the subscription list will be still open by
> then). I won't be much on the list as I have sold some equipment,
> and I don't need any more :) keeping the basics only - ME-S, LX,
> winer, 35/2, a longer zoom. I concentrate now more on photography than
> the equipment talks :) I have an exhibition of my reportage
> photographs from rock/alternative/... festivals, which I am glad of
> (of course ), and a lot of film to develop and print, and some
> projects to photograph, so again, not much time left to be talking
> here. But I plan from time to time to get on. Right now, I would
> like to ask few questions, and what better place than PDML to ask
> them, I don't know! See my separate messages - it's about LX, and
> ME-S customization.


-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: 645 question

[Pål Jensen]

Dan wrote:


> Are the FA 645 lenses compatible with the pre-autofocus 645 like the 
> 35mm FA lenses are with 35mm manual bodies?


Yes. Everything will work except AF (of course).

Pål

Re: Pentax 645 portraits: 150mm or 200mm?

[Pål Jensen]

Andre wrote:


> I have heard that the 120mm macro has bad bokeh.  Is is true?
> (I have the lens but not the means to use it for the moment.)


YES! It is a wonderful sharp and contrasty lens with terrible bokeh. I have several 
images destined for the bin as the background is simply too ugly and distracting.


Pål

Lens Gallery: Was Displaying images on the web

[David Brooks]

I never really noticed it before Dan but i think your correct.The 
gallery has not been updated for a while.I have recently(ie
this year)bought the smc m 135 f 3.5 and smc m 150 f3.5 and smc a 70-
210 f4.Maybe during my Christmas vacation I'll shoot a subject
with all 3 and submit.

Dave
 Begin Original Message 

From: Dan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Well, I love the lens gallery--and there are some great photos in 
it--but it hasn't been updated in a couple years.

Plus, all the images from each lens represented is limited to samples 
submitted by one photographer. Being able to see samples from a given 
lens as used on different shots by a wider variety of shooters seems 
like a big plus to me.

Dan Scott



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Re: Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings

[Brad Dobo]

Ok, set the camera up, set the 6400ISO and then turned the dial EV+3.  It
should be very sensitive no?  I get low shutter speeds on Tv, but when I
turn to EV-3, even in a darkened room the Tv sky-rockets.

Is this right?  I should still go EV+3 but use it at 'M'?  No...then I
couldn't meter correctly without a handheld, correct?

Brad
- Original Message -
From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings


> ISO100+3EV = 800. The equation is: 100 x 2 x 2 x 2
> Perhaps ISO3200+3EV = 25600?
>
> regards,
> Alan Chan
>
> >I have a question.  I get totally lost when it comes to EV, well, not the
> >basic usage, but let me tell you what I want.  I've got Kodak P3200 film
> >here, now I can set the ISO to 6400 to have it push-processed.  Is that
as
> >far as I can take it or can I push it further using the EV dial, and if I
> >can, in what way and how would I know at say +-3 what ISO I'd be at?
This
> >is with the MZ-S btw.
> >
> >Weird and perhaps stupid question I know, but I'm interested in hearing
> >comments.
>
>
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Re: Back!

[frank theriault]

Hi, Frantisek,

Nice to see you back!

cheers,
frank

Frantisek Vlcek wrote:

> Hi friends,
>after the two months or so, I am back and fortunately, in fine
>health. I won't have enough time to be subscribed to the list and
>participate as I did, so I will just sub and unsub (hop on, hop
>off) from time to time. Probably more time off, especially with all
>the "guns" messages and such. But it was - and is - fun here still.
>Thank you guys who expressed concern over me when I was leaving. I
>am glad Mike is back on list too :) I hope someday I will be able
>to read your 37th frame (if the subscription list will be still open by
>then). I won't be much on the list as I have sold some equipment,
>and I don't need any more :) keeping the basics only - ME-S, LX,
>winer, 35/2, a longer zoom. I concentrate now more on photography than
>the equipment talks :) I have an exhibition of my reportage
>photographs from rock/alternative/... festivals, which I am glad of
>(of course ), and a lot of film to develop and print, and some
>projects to photograph, so again, not much time left to be talking
>here. But I plan from time to time to get on. Right now, I would
>like to ask few questions, and what better place than PDML to ask
>them, I don't know! See my separate messages - it's about LX, and
>ME-S customization.
>
>Good light to you all,
> Frantisek

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer

Re: Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings

[Alan Chan]

I think it should be ISO3200, -3EV compensation.
If you set ISO6400, - 3EV, it would be 4 stops above, not 3.
If you set ISO6400, + 3EV, it would be 2 stops above.

regards,
Alan Chan


Ok, set the camera up, set the 6400ISO and then turned the dial EV+3.  It
should be very sensitive no?  I get low shutter speeds on Tv, but when I
turn to EV-3, even in a darkened room the Tv sky-rockets.

Is this right?  I should still go EV+3 but use it at 'M'?  No...then I
couldn't meter correctly without a handheld, correct?



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Re: Sorry about Toronto ...

[David Brooks]

No problem here either Collin.It was better you showed up
Sunday anyway.Bloor Street at 3:30 was bumper to bumper
when i TRIED to get home
Hope you were not honked at to much:)
I put a roll of Delta 3200 in the Y-M for inside but wound
up shooting some stealth scapes on the way and at the Pub.(really 
overcast day)

Next time i hope
David Chang-Sang, and Aaron are the last poster children
Dave
 Begin Original Message 

From: Collin Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:37:54 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Sorry about Tornto ...


The time estimate given to us was shortsignificantly.
We just crossed over into CA at Noon yesterday.
Got to the ROM about 2:30.  Would have been there earlier
but for the signs leading us to it got us lost, turned the
wrong way on Avenue.

We saw the Ossuary & had a good time.

Toronto is a nice city.  But those blinking green traffic lights ...
different.

Collin



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Re: Pentax digital SLR

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

I really doubt that Pentax __should__ create their own CCD or other
kind of sensor. I mean why? What would be the reason for doing so?
They could use any of the existing technologies. Yes, this would mean
some fees (royalties) and probably some price impact on consumer. But
to create one's own CCD one has to be a chip design company. Pentax
however is much more optical company (Asahi Optical, remember?)... I'd
rather they create some interesting lenses and write some excellent
firmware for their DSLR.

---
Boris Liberman
www.geocities.com/dunno57
www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625

Re: Interesting read

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

In my personal humble opinion the question of fate of film is more of
philosophical than of practical nature. You see, I don't think that
any of us, even if there are people here that work for photo
companies, such as Pentax itself, can reasonably well predict what
will happen in the technological future say in two years. Tell me,
could you imagine a full frame 14 MP digital camera being sold for
$5,000 two years ago? I doubt you could. Or, could you imagine the
Foveon sensor technology two years ago? I doubt you could. No
disrespect intended here.

Well, we all know that all electronics suffer from battery power
problem. One of the reasons people buy (FG) battery packs is to be
able to use cheaper and more available AA batteries. Just few weeks
ago I went to TeleCom exhibition here in Israel and saw a company that
has a technology that would allow using some kind of fuel cell as a
battery. They predict that in few years you would be able to run your
laptop for 10 hours straight and all you'd need do to recharge it
would be to replace a small container with some fluid that would be
sold for few pennies everywhere...

Back to photography. IMHO, photography is so much fine art that it
suffers much less from technological progress. You see, you can still
make amazing photos with your old (film) camera and old 50 mm lens. In
few months when newest Canon and Kodak offerings hit the shelves big
you would be able to do the same with your bleeding edge (digital)
camera and still your old 50 mm lens. Again, no disrespect to Pentax
fans here, I am talking in general :). I think that until modern
bleeding edge equipment looses a zero or two of its price, such things
would remain mostly for professionals and rich amateurs. I see no
reason why film should not keep going for decade or two, or may be
even more.

Take DVD and VHS for example. If you were a video professional, you
might want to put your latest and greatest on DVD. For home use (such
as recording some repeating program that happens to be broadcast in
rather unusual hour) VHS is just fine. Now, eventually perhaps some
device that can write DVDs in real time from your TV would be
invented. Add to this some amazing DVD-RW and here you go. But again,
it keeps coming, but never really comes.

Sorry, I am getting wordy again.

---
Boris Liberman
www.geocities.com/dunno57
www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625

Re: ME Super customization

[Rfsindg]

Frank,
Comments [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> 2) I want to remove the hotshoe, as it just catches on any clothing
> easily, making removing the camera from a pocket slower. It's all
> contact mounted, so no loose wires to cut. However, I will have to
> make a a square metal cap with holes to cover it. No problem. This
> camera will be loaded with 1600 film all the time, anyway, and on
> the rare occasion I will use flash I can use a bracket.
>
 It would be simpler to use a hot shoe cover.
 It is a black plastic square that slides into the hot shoe.
 It would fill those metal corners that catch on things.
 You could glue it in if necessary.
  
> 3) Making a grip like the LX grip. This would greatly improve the
> handling of the camera singlehandedly. I am thinking of making it
> of wood. Making a sort of bracket for the bottom of aluminium,
> ending in a screw secured to the wood, and the bracket screwed into
> tripod socket. The other end of the wood grip could be unsecured
> (like the grip on Winder ME/MEII is), or secured by running a screw
> trough the strap lugs hole (removing the old nut and strap lug).
> This is an operation I need some comments on. Of course I also
> considered just using a winder without batteries, but it's somewhat
> too big. If I get a broken winder ME, I might give it a thought.
>
 You should look at the grip on the Super Program/Super A.
 It is much smaller than the LX grip, and mounts with a screw on.
 It is complemented by a thumb grip area on the back door.
 Otherwise, you are going to end up with a metal baseplate like the ME 
belt clip.

 Regards,  Bob S.

Re: Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs. 100mm 2.8

[akozak]

Hi,
Interesting. According too many users K105 is much better.Maybe you had bad lens, 
difficult to say. 
Even on Stan Halpin's site most people prefer old K lens.
Alek

żytkownik Heiko Hamann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał:
>Hi Alek,
>
>on 09 Dec 02 you wrote in pentax.list:
>
>>Instead od M100/2.8 try to find K105/2.8, it is allegedly much better lens (
>>I own it-very nice) Alek
>
>Not necessarily. I've owned both M100 and K105 and found the M100 better 
>(sharper, more contrast, lighter). So I've sold the K105 and kept the 
>M100 which I am *very* satisfied with. Either I had a poor K105 or my 
>M100 is an outstanding good performer...
>
>Regards, Heiko
>
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Re: Interesting read

[Rob Studdert]

On 9 Dec 2002 at 15:17, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> In my personal humble opinion the question of fate of film is more of
> philosophical than of practical nature. 

Hi Boris,

Sorry to cut your well presented argument short but it could be as simple as 
the introduction of governmental EPA constraints that end the reign of film.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html

Re: Pentax digital SLR

[Rob Studdert]

On 9 Dec 2002 at 15:17, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I really doubt that Pentax __should__ create their own CCD or other
> kind of sensor. I mean why?

... I'd
> rather they create some interesting lenses and write some excellent
> firmware for their DSLR.

Apart from creating some new desirable lenses for us (more Limiteds please) I'd 
hope that Pentax would write a decent operating specification and send it out 
to be coded by a company who knows what it's doing with user interfaces :-)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html

Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs. 100mm 2.8

[Heiko Hamann]

Hi akozak,

on 09 Dec 02 you wrote in pentax.list:

>Interesting. According too many users K105 is much better.Maybe you had
>bad lens, difficult to say. Even on Stan Halpin's site most people
>prefer old K lens. Alek

Yes, I had read that before buying the lenses and I was very surprised,  
also. It seems, that everybody has to make his own experiences...

Regards, Heiko

RE: Pentax 645 portraits: 150mm or 200mm?

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: Andre Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:02 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Pentax 645 portraits: 150mm or 200mm?
>
>
> I have heard that the 120mm macro has bad bokeh.  Is is true?

The bokeh doesn't seem so bad, but it's too short.

http://www.bigdayphoto.com/venable/115.jpg
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/venable/113cropped.jpg

> (I have the lens but not the means to use it for the moment.)
>
> Question #2: Is there a difference in bokeh (or contrast)
> between the
> 150mm and the 200mm?  Both being suitable for portrait.

I can't speak for the 200, but the 150 reminds me a bit of the FA
85/1.4. I don't own it, but I've shot 4 or 5 rolls with one, and it's
awesome. It's next on my list.

I have a shot of Cesar around here somewhere - if I can find it I'll
post it.

tv

Re: ME Super customization

[Rob Studdert]

On 9 Dec 2002 at 8:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  You should look at the grip on the Super Program/Super A.
>  It is much smaller than the LX grip, and mounts with a screw on.
>  It is complemented by a thumb grip area on the back door.
>  Otherwise, you are going to end up with a metal baseplate like the ME belt
> clip.

There isn't any threaded recess designed to accommodate a grip on the ME Super, 
you'd have to either end up adding a Winder or a base grip attached to the 
tripod thread as shown here:

http://members28.cool.ne.jp/~khmhk/Tool/rgrip.html

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html

RE: Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> 
> 
> Kodak Tmax 3200 should be able to be pushed as far as 25,000 IIRC. 
> Remember though that you're going to lose shadow detail as 
> you go higher
> than the 3200.

It loses shadow detail over 1600.

tv

Re: 645 question

[gfen]

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Dan Scott wrote:
> Are the FA 645 lenses compatible with the pre-autofocus 645 like the
> 35mm FA lenses are with 35mm manual bodies?

Yes.


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Salgado

[Daniel J. Matyola]

This month's edition of the Rotaria, the English-language magazine of
Rotary International, contains a group of black-and-white photographs by
Sebastiao Salgado documenting the campaign to eradicate polio in the few
third world nations where it still impacts many lifes.

The article note that "Salgado's work is heavily influenced by the
"decisive moment" approach originated by French photographer Henri
Cartier-Gresson - candid shots taken at the precise moment that defines a
story or issue.  Cartier-Bresson also shot only in black and white, a
medium known for its clarity and visceral impact."   Some of Salgado's work
can be viewed at:

http://www.endofpolio.org/home.html

Dan

Re: Back!

[Alin Flaider]

   Hi Frantisek
   
   I'm glad to see you're well and alive and congratulations on your
   exhibition! Hope Prague has recovered as well.

   Servus, Alin

Frantisek wrote:

FV>after the two months or so, I am back and fortunately, in fine
FV>health. I won't have enough time to be subscribed to the list and
FV>participate as I did, so I will just sub and unsub (hop on, hop
FV>off) from time to time. Probably more time off, especially with all
FV>the "guns" messages and such. But it was - and is - fun here still.
FV>Thank you guys who expressed concern over me when I was leaving. I
FV>am glad Mike is back on list too :) I hope someday I will be able
FV>to read your 37th frame (if the subscription list will be still open by
FV>then). I won't be much on the list as I have sold some equipment,
FV>and I don't need any more :) keeping the basics only - ME-S, LX,
FV>winer, 35/2, a longer zoom. I concentrate now more on photography than
FV>the equipment talks :) I have an exhibition of my reportage
FV>photographs from rock/alternative/... festivals, which I am glad of
FV>(of course ), and a lot of film to develop and print, and some
FV>projects to photograph, so again, not much time left to be talking
FV>here. But I plan from time to time to get on. Right now, I would
FV>like to ask few questions, and what better place than PDML to ask
FV>them, I don't know! See my separate messages - it's about LX, and
FV>ME-S customization.

Re: Displaying images on the web

[T Rittenhouse]

Ahh Windows 95 and up ships with Kodak Professional Color Management. In
98 and up it is integrated into the system. Of course you have to set it up
to your card and monitor. If you are using a Mac they presume you are using
their card and monitor, Windows can not do that. You probably will have to
download profiles for both your card, and your monitor, from the vendors
site. And, if your equipment is more than a couple of years old, nobody
thought you were going to use this stuff back than anyway unless you bought
the absolute highest-end components and you can not usually find ICC
profiles. As I understand it if you want there highest level of color
correction you have to recalibrate your system everytime you turn it on
anyway, but for most use it only needs to be tweeked now and then.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Displaying images on the web


> Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Hi Dave,
>
> Surely you change the monitor gamma setting in the OS and not the
> application??
>
> Cotty<
>
> not in Windows. that is why it is so complicated. the OS itself doesn't
> care and doesn't use anything. the video card device driver can be
> configured, but that is specific to the hardware vendor's device drivers
> and optional. many don't have any such setting. that is why Adobe invented
> the Adobe Gamma program. it runs at startup and stays resident to load a
> pre-stored monitor profile created that has the correct gamma. you have to
> create that profile with another Adobe-supplied part of Adobe Gamma. it is
> completely up to applications and device drivers to load and use color
> profiles in Windows. something like Adobe Gamma should have been part of
> the OS. that is why there are only a handful of image editing programs
that
> can be used for serious photographic manipulation in Windows. they are the
> ones that know what color profile has been loaded for a monitor and
> actually use it when displaying images.
>
> Herb
>

Re: Displaying images on the web

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong
Subject: Re: Displaying images on the web


. something like Adobe Gamma should have been part of
> the OS. that is why there are only a handful of image editing
programs that
> can be used for serious photographic manipulation in Windows.
they are the
> ones that know what color profile has been loaded for a
monitor and
> actually use it when displaying images.

Herb, I am using PhotoShop 7.0. How can I ensure that the
program is using the monitor profile I have created with Adobe
Gamma?
Thanks

William Robb

Re: Displaying images on the web

[Herb Chong]

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Ahh Windows 95 and up ships with Kodak Professional Color Management.
In
98 and up it is integrated into the system.<

integrated means that all applications know where to look for it, not that
anything in the system uses it. try changing color profiles and see what
happens. setting a bogus monitor color profile has no effect.

Herb...

Re: Optio 230 Firmware question

[Jim Apilado]

What is this "firmware"?

Jim A.

> From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:48:45 -0500
> To: "PDML \(Pentax\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Optio 230 Firmware question
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:48:08 -0500
> 
> Hey folks,
> 
> I found on the UK Pentax site, a firmware update for my Optio 230.  Problem
> is, were do I find the information?  If I have the v1 I can upgrade to the
> v1.15, but don't know where to look (and on it there aren't that many places
> to look!) for the firmware version number.
> 
> From UK Pentax:
> "To check your version, turn the camera on while pressing the MENU button
> and the version is displayed in the top left corner of the LCD monitor."
> <-- I cannot see this.
> 
> Any assistance would be appreciated!
> 
> Brad
> **
> Brad W. Dobo, HBA (Eds.)
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ#: 1658
> 
> 

RE: Fill-in Flash with AF200T

[Steve Morphet]

>> The only other thing I can draw is gorillas.  Will they do?
>
>Good man.
>
>Dan Scott


Here you are then.  My apologies in advance.

http://www.morphet.org.uk/gorillas.gif

Steve.

Re: OT: The weekend in Ontario

[Steve Sharpe]

Didn't get any time to shoot the old ship along the shore line.
But that's on my list for next time.  (It's an old wood vessel that
would have been used 300 years ago.)  It's in the vicinity of
St. Catharines.


The one you see from the QEW? I think that's a tourist trap.


--
Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
•

RE: Workflow

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: Cesar Matamoros II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>
> This is something I have always talked about with people in
> terms of digital
> photography.  You are now the developer.  And with the talk
> of archiving,
> double and triple archiving is the means to minimize
> unreadable media.
>
> Reading on a couple of lists I can see where, especially
> with numerous
> formats and correcting and editing, teh process almost
> calls for a computer
> dedicated to the cause - what I will do for a DSLR - and
> the time factored
> in for pricing jobs.

This is wholly dependent on the lab. Photo labs realize that if they
don't start offering easy digital solutions, they'll be out of
business in 5 years.

My lab prints digital pretty much the same way they print film. Give
them the files, they make prints. If there's a problem, you tell them
what it is and they reprint it.

The photo industry in general (Kodak, Fuji, Agfa) realize that to make
digital really work and make money that they have to make it simpler -
Joe Schmoe isn't going to go for digital unless it's as easy as
dropping off his disposable camera off at Wal-Mart.

The guy hunched over his computer screen spending 2 hours on one print
is equivalent to the anal-retentive dork slaving away in the darkroom.
It's an option for us control freaks, but soon (or in some cases now)
it won't be a necessity.

tv

Re: Fame, Luminous Landscape abuse and Mikes latest column...

[Dan Scott]

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:19  AM, Rob Brigham wrote:


I am not sure I totally agree with the paragraph:

"Any kind of specialist photographer will immediately recoil from the
suggestion that photographers could benefit from having only one or two
lenses. Lenses can allow access - to tiny things or to far-away things,
and to exotic angles of view. More lenses are usually needed for more
specialized work or for different kinds of specialties, which is why
pros tend to own the most."

Surely pros and specialists are more likely that amateurs to only need 
a
small number of focal lengths as their requirements tend to be more
clearly defined.  Whereas an amateur shoots all manner of subjects and
specialities and thus wants a lens for EVERY purpose?

As an amateur I photograph motorsports and wildlife, landscapes,
portraits, macros and everything in between.  A pro is more likely to
focus on a small number of core areas surely?  This would lead me to
believe that actually amateurs tend to own the most?


This pure speculation on my part, but I suspect that there are amateurs 
and there are amateurs. Probably the greatest percentage of, say, slr 
type amateurs are those who buy a kit consisting of an entry level slr 
and the 1 or 2 cheap zooms bundled with it. I suspect most of them 
consider themselves covered from that point on.

Then there are the more dedicated amateurs with deeper pockets or more 
drive who feel compelled to find the most capable tools available to 
craft their shots (and, of course, equipment fetishists and collectors 
who are as fascinated with the tools as they are with the ends the 
tools are capable of)

I'd guess that Mike is thinking of amateurs in the first sense rather 
than the second.

I wholeheartedly agree when he says:

"the exercise of picking one prime lens and shooting with it 
exclusively
until you've forgotten what other lenses feel like is a learning
experience that you will carry with you for the rest of your life"

Though...


I think the same could be said of foot binding, a good beating, and any 
number of other experiences one can carry for a lifetime, too. 

Dan Scott

Re: Interesting read

[Steve Desjardins]

This is an interesting argument.  In addition, you could easily conceive
of airport security making film impractical for travel.  Although they
will have to make some accommodation for electronic storage devices
these days, I could easily see them saying "this will damage film -
sorry" for random checks, which would swing many folks over to digital.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/09/02 09:24AM >>>
On 9 Dec 2002 at 15:17, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> In my personal humble opinion the question of fate of film is more
of
> philosophical than of practical nature. 

Hi Boris,

Sorry to cut your well presented argument short but it could be as
simple as 
the introduction of governmental EPA constraints that end the reign of
film.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html 

Re: Displaying images on the web

[Dan Scott]

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 08:37  AM, Cotty wrote:


Great Scott. Talk about making things difficult! I had no idea.

Thanks Herb.

Cotty



Yeah.

We have it good. The impulse to adapt your images to their systems 
shows you are a caring and compassionate man. However, your noble act 
of charity enables them to remain trapped in what is the root of their 
problem.

It's time for Tough Love, not enablement. I know it hurts, but it's for 
their own good.

Dan Scott 

Re: Fill-in Flash with AF200T

[Dan Scott]

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 08:14  AM, Steve Morphet wrote:



Here you are then.  My apologies in advance.

http://www.morphet.org.uk/gorillas.gif

Steve.



Much better. But--where do you plug the cable in?

Dan Scott

MIR-47K 2,5/20mm - problems with new AF bodies?

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

Hello,
I think it was discussed, but I don't have so old archives :-( Anyway - the
question: is it possible to mount and use Mir 20/2.5 with original K-mount
with newer AF bodies (MZ-S)? I've heard that there are some problems,
because this lens reaches to far in the mirror box. Can anyone confirm if it
is true, or can I buy it safely??? Thanks in advance!!!

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek

RE: PDML

[Jostein]

According to www.pdml.net the acronym is
Parsing Damned Minutiae Loudly.

Jostein

>= Original Message From Dan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
>On Sunday, December 8, 2002, at 06:06  PM, Norm Baugher wrote:
>
>> Pistols, Desert eagle, Mauser, Luger???
>> Pentax anyone?
>> Norm
>> (kinda partial to the Walther P38 myself)
>>
>
>
>Provocative Declamations of Muddled Logic? 
>
>Dan Scott (ducking and running for kevlar boxers)
>
>(kinda partial to Pentax glass and Smuckers Strawberry Preserves
>swimming in melted butter on toasted sourdough muffins ... m.)

RE: Fame, Luminous Landscape abuse and Mikes latest column...

[Rob Brigham]

> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>
> This pure speculation on my part, but I suspect that there 
> are amateurs 
> and there are amateurs. Probably the greatest percentage of, say, slr 
> type amateurs are those who buy a kit consisting of an entry 
> level slr 
> and the 1 or 2 cheap zooms bundled with it. I suspect most of them 
> consider themselves covered from that point on.
> 
> Then there are the more dedicated amateurs with deeper 
> pockets or more 
> drive who feel compelled to find the most capable tools available to 
> craft their shots (and, of course, equipment fetishists and 
> collectors 
> who are as fascinated with the tools as they are with the ends the 
> tools are capable of)
> 
> I'd guess that Mike is thinking of amateurs in the first sense rather 
> than the second.

Ah, but he cant be because he talks of sticking with pretty much a
limited number of primes.  This is more likely the second group.

> > I wholeheartedly agree when he says:
> >
> > "the exercise of picking one prime lens and shooting with it
> > exclusively
> > until you've forgotten what other lenses feel like is a learning
> > experience that you will carry with you for the rest of your life"
> 
> I think the same could be said of foot binding, a good 
> beating, and any 
> number of other experiences one can carry for a lifetime, too. 

Good point!

Re: Interesting read

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: Steve Desjardins
Subject: Re: Interesting read


> This is an interesting argument.  In addition, you could
easily conceive
> of airport security making film impractical for travel.
Although they
> will have to make some accommodation for electronic storage
devices
> these days, I could easily see them saying "this will damage
film -
> sorry" for random checks, which would swing many folks over to
digital.

Why would they have to make accommodation for anything? My
understanding of the scanners already in use is that they will
damage electronic devices, whether storage or otherwise. Under
the present climate of fear and panic, I can only see this
getting worse, not better.

William Robb

Re: Re[6]: Displaying images on the web

[Dan Scott]

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 12:40  AM, William Johnson wrote:


Well, there are some good samples here. I think this has been 
posted here before, or perhaps I found it searching the web a while 
back:

http://www.pentax-fan.jp/photo/lenslist.asp

Main site here: http://www.pentax-fan.jp/topmenu.asp

Regards,

William in Utah


One or the other, that's one of my bookmarks, too.

I wonder if there is any way to use a search engine to go through the 
PUG and harvest the lens data along with the link and dump it into a 
database one could use to see all images submitted by a specific lens 
or focal length?

While we're blue skying the PUG, wouldn't it be nice if the background 
were updated to a neutral grey? Some of the submissions would look 
better if they weren't competing against a yellow frame.

Dan Scott

Battery life (Was Re: Interesting read)

[mike wilson]

Hi,

Boris wrote:
> They predict that in few years you would be able to run your
> laptop for 10 hours straight and all you'd need do to recharge it
> would be to replace a small container with some fluid that would be
> sold for few pennies everywhere...

And 50 years ago, in the UK, they said that nuclear power would
be so cheap it would not be worth charging for it.  That was
before an unknown number of people were engulfed in the
radioactive plume from the Sellafield fire in the late 1950's. 
The idea of portable nuclear power supplies sank without trace. 
As I am one of the "plumees", I trust you will forgive my
scepticism.

>From what I can see, in my lifetime the power capacity of
digital cameras will _maybe_ increase by about 100%. That is,
they will use less power and batteries will increase in capacity
somewhat to give you a _possible_ doubling of useability. 
Unless, of course, the number of bells and whistles is
multiplied by the marketing departments to justify selling you
this year's model, in which case all bets are off.

This, combined with the high cost/short life ratio, lack of (or
different manner of) definition and fragility of digital
cameras, plus the long, complicated (and yet tedious) process
before one has an analogue copy in one's hand, leads me to
seriously doubt that many people who enjoy photgraphy as it is
will be easily moved to the digital arena.  

Anna Loglee

Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.

[Dan Scott]

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 01:20  AM, Anthony Farr wrote:


Gary,

Could you point me to



Could y'all please take this off list? I'm sure quite a few of us would 
appreciate it.

Thanks,

Dan Scott

Re: Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings

[Bill D. Casselberry]

Brad Dobo wrote:
 
> Ok, set the camera up, set the 6400ISO and then turned the dial EV+3.  

to "push" you'd set at a - EV ; + EV is a "pull"

Don't know about newer bodies, but w/ my old ProgramSeries you
can't adjust -EV from the fastest ISO setting, as it is a 
mechanical linkage. So to meter & shoot 3200 "pushed" 3stops I
need to set on manual and use the -3 readout for a target. I
have found that circumstances requiring such film speed are often
rather uniform and one can meter some general exposures of a few
areas and then just adjust manually from there. Last time I did 
such stuff I was getting f5.6@1/500th through f4@1/250th across
the variations of scene lighting. Indoors at a theatrical/dance
performance.   
 
Bill

-
Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast

http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb
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Re: Interesting read

[Herb Chong]

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>This is an interesting argument.  In addition, you could easily conceive
of airport security making film impractical for travel.  Although they
will have to make some accommodation for electronic storage devices
these days, I could easily see them saying "this will damage film -
sorry" for random checks, which would swing many folks over to digital.

Steven Desjardins<

this is a large driving factor for professionals who travel a lot by flying
to switch to digital. plus, if you do the math for 300 dpi printing with
the new Kodak Pro 14n, you will see that you can print a 10x15 image with
essentially indistinguishable results from the finest grain film except for
the lack of grain. if you don't mind a bit of softness, you can go up to
20x30. that is a large enough print even for exhibition.

Herb...

RE: Workflow

[Cesar Matamoros II]

-- -Original Message-
-- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
-- Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:24 AM
--
-- > -Original Message-
-- > From: Cesar Matamoros II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
-- >
-- >
-- > This is something I have always talked about with people in
-- > terms of digital
-- > photography.  You are now the developer.  And with the talk
-- > of archiving,
-- > double and triple archiving is the means to minimize
-- > unreadable media.
-- >
-- > Reading on a couple of lists I can see where, especially
-- > with numerous
-- > formats and correcting and editing, teh process almost
-- > calls for a computer
-- > dedicated to the cause - what I will do for a DSLR - and
-- > the time factored
-- > in for pricing jobs.
--
-- This is wholly dependent on the lab. Photo labs realize that if they
-- don't start offering easy digital solutions, they'll be out of
-- business in 5 years.
--
-- My lab prints digital pretty much the same way they print film. Give
-- them the files, they make prints. If there's a problem, you tell them
-- what it is and they reprint it.
--
-- The photo industry in general (Kodak, Fuji, Agfa) realize
-- that to make
-- digital really work and make money that they have to make it
-- simpler -
-- Joe Schmoe isn't going to go for digital unless it's as easy as
-- dropping off his disposable camera off at Wal-Mart.
--
-- The guy hunched over his computer screen spending 2 hours on
-- one print
-- is equivalent to the anal-retentive dork slaving away in the
-- darkroom.
-- It's an option for us control freaks, but soon (or in some cases now)
-- it won't be a necessity.
--
-- tv
--
As a side note, my lab here will be getting equipment to handle digital
images.  This will allow them to accept whatever media people have images
saved onto and produce the prints as they normally do.  It was a major
investment, but as you say he realizes that to survive with the mianstream
and Wal-Marts and such he has to go that route.

César
Panama City, Florida

Re: Displaying images on the web

[Herb Chong]

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Thanks Herb.
Just to make sure I have this straight:
So the default operation once I have set up my monitors using
Gamma is to use the colour settings that I have saved?
Thanks again

William Robb<

yes, that is all. if you by some chance have a video driver that allows
setting complete color settings, then you could do it using the driver's
color matching capabilities. however, that is tying you into a specific
vendor's driver settings. the big trick for most people to use Adobe Gamma
properly is to find a color profile or the phosphor settings to use with
the monitor.

Herb

Re: Displaying images on the web

[Herb Chong]

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>however, that is tying you into a specific
vendor's driver settings. the big trick for most people to use Adobe Gamma
properly is to find a color profile or the phosphor settings to use with
the monitor.

Herb<

i should clarify that i mean an initial color profile to work from using
Adobe Gamma.

Herb

Re: Battery life (Was Re: Interesting read)

[Timothy Sherburne]

On 12/9/02 8:07 AM, mike wilson wrote:

> Boris wrote:
>> They predict that in few years you would be able to run your
>> laptop for 10 hours straight and all you'd need do to recharge it
>> would be to replace a small container with some fluid that would be
>> sold for few pennies everywhere...
> 
> And 50 years ago, in the UK, they said that nuclear power would
> be so cheap it would not be worth charging for it.  That was
> before an unknown number of people were engulfed in the
> radioactive plume from the Sellafield fire in the late 1950's.
> The idea of portable nuclear power supplies sank without trace.
> As I am one of the "plumees", I trust you will forgive my
> scepticism.

I'm not sure of the exact demonstration Boris mentions, but he refers to
either gas-powered microturbine or fuel cell technology. In either case, the
"fluid" is simply methanol or a similar fuel. Fuel cells have been around
for some time but have been slow to reach the marketplace, IMO because
there's little incentive for industries to change to a technology that has a
very low consumable cost. It's also an expensive technical feat to
productize these concepts. Fuel cells are relatively uncomplicated and
environmentally friendly; nuclear power and chemical batteries are, of
course, not.

For more info, see:




Or use google to search for "fuel cells".

t

looking for an odd lens

[Herb Chong]

Hanimex used to make a 300mm mirror telephoto lens in screw mount. it
wasn't a very expensive one, but it worked OK. are there any 300mm reflex
lenses out there for K-mount that aren't too expensive? i wouldn't use the
FA* 300 f4.5 to justify the cost of buying one.

Herb...

Re: Interesting read

[Keith Whaley]

Comments below, where appropriate:

"Ryan K. Brooks" wrote:
> 
> Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
> >Take DVD and VHS for example. If you were a video professional, you
> >might want to put your latest and greatest on DVD. For home use (such
> >as recording some repeating program that happens to be broadcast in
> >rather unusual hour) VHS is just fine. Now, eventually perhaps some
> >device that can write DVDs in real time from your TV would be
> >invented. Add to this some amazing DVD-RW and here you go. But again,
> >it keeps coming, but never really comes.

> To continue your metaphor:
> 
> In the States anyway, VCR sales are basically nil and DVD players are
> considered a consumer electronics commercial success.   So even if the
> home VCR is alive and well, there's not any development going on and
> certainly no company could survive on just making VCRs here. Most large
> video rental chains here are quickly changing to DVD.

That's why, when my present VHS player/recorder started going south, I
looked into DVD recorder/players!
Wow! Forget that!
So, I ended up with a combo unit, VHS and DVD, progressive scan.
I can throw my JVC VHS unit away, I can KEEP my present stock of
tapes, and gradually replace them with DVD over the next couple of years.
I was already lamenting getting rid of all those VHS tapes we have.
Now I can keep them for a little while...

> As to the realtime DVD recorders, they are here now.  Panasonic,
> Phillips, etc. all make versions of this theme.

And they're hugely expensive, from an 'average' consumer standpoint.
Just as originally CD recorders were. Now CD-RW is an every day thing.
Most every budget can handle such a unit.
 
> I think one of the big issues for those of us who like to continue to
> use film will be that labs will have fewer and fewer "all-optical"
> options.   So if your film is scanned anyway, what's the point?   Me,
> I'll likely shoot black and white and self process but use digital for
> everything color.
> 
> R

keith whaley

Re: looking for an odd lens

[Arnold Stark]

I had the Hanimex 300mm f5.6 mirror (k-mount) for a short while. It cost 
me about 50 Euros. I tested it against the FA*300/f4.5 and a Revuenon 
300mm f5.6. The flare of the Hanimex mirror was horrible and made it 
almost unusable. I can even send some b&w scans, but that would take a 
while Also, effectively, the Hanimex was only f=8. I can only 
recommend to not use it. An ordinary 300/f5.6 lens of almost any brand 
(Revuenon, Tokina, Vivitar etc) would be a better choice.

Arnold

Herb Chong schrieb:

Hanimex used to make a 300mm mirror telephoto lens in screw mount. it
wasn't a very expensive one, but it worked OK. are there any 300mm reflex
lenses out there for K-mount that aren't too expensive? i wouldn't use the
FA* 300 f4.5 to justify the cost of buying one.

Herb...


 

Re: OT! Re: Fill-in Flash with AF200T

[Keith Whaley]

CBWaters wrote:
> 
> Ok...
> First, I don't think your flash fired as the first and third  uh, gorilla,
> look the same.

Nope. The third gorilla is all squinty-eyed from the flash going off! 

keith whaley

> Second, How the hell is that a gorilla?
> Cory

I thought I just wouldn't ask. 
hAt one time had a good friend, who was also my wife, who, when she
drew animals for the little ones clustered around, they all turned out
essentially the same size and shape.
Both eyes on the near side of the head. All four legs inline, of
course! The sstrangely amorphous creature was stock stuff.
Add a trunk and it became an eleflump. OPf course! Whiskers meant it
was a feline, of some ilk...
And so on.
All her animals smiled, too, by the way.
However, her drawings became a joy for the whole family to laugh
themselves goofy over. Year after year...

A drawing represents what the 'artist,' adult or child, SAYS it is. 

keith whaley

Re: OT: The weekend in Ontario

[Collin Brendemuehl]

That's the one.  I thought it a reproduction as well, 
like the one here in Columbus, OH.  But at least ours is in the water!

BTW, What does QEW stand for?

Collin


*
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:06:47 -0500 
From: Steve Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

>Didn't get any time to shoot the old ship along the shore line. 
>But that's on my list for next time. (It's an old wood vessel that 
>would have been used 300 years ago.) It's in the vicinity of 
>St. Catharines.
The one you see from the QEW? I think that's a tourist trap.

Steve 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Displaying images on the web

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong
Subject: Re: Displaying images on the web


> Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >however, that is tying you into a specific
> vendor's driver settings. the big trick for most people to use
Adobe Gamma
> properly is to find a color profile or the phosphor settings
to use with
> the monitor.
>
> Herb<
>
> i should clarify that i mean an initial color profile to work
from using
> Adobe Gamma.

Herb, Thanks for the good information.

William Robb

Re: looking for an odd lens

[Camdir]

<< Hanimex used to make a 300mm mirror telephoto lens in screw mount. it
 wasn't a very expensive one, but it worked OK. are there any 300mm reflex
 lenses out there for K-mount that aren't too expensive? >>

Herb.

Seek out the Sigma 300mm F4.5 Apo (from probably the 80s I suppose) or the 
Tamron SP 350mm F5.6 Cat. Sig for preference - a stoutly built number with 
APO glass.

Kind regards

Peter

Re: Official Hello from Newbie Doe/Marnie

[Steve Desjardins]

Official Welcome.

I liked your pics, especially your PUG submission.  Your artistic
experience is probably more valuable than any technical knowledge you
lack.  This list is really helpful in that regard.  Otherwise, enjoy the
K1000.  I have a similar older "screwhead" camera the SP500 that is 30
years old and still ticking.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Pentax LX Battery Cover

[oscar . 7300]

Does any one know where I can get a replacement battery compartment cover for 
my LX?  (There's one on the ground somewhere in the Bronx Zoo, but I've 
already looked and can't find that one.  At least the day was not ruined, 
because the LX still worked).

Thanks for your help.

Steve

Re: looking for an odd lens

[Herb Chong]

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Seek out the Sigma 300mm F4.5 Apo (from probably the 80s I suppose) or the

Tamron SP 350mm F5.6 Cat. Sig for preference - a stoutly built number with 
APO glass.

Kind regards

Peter<

OK, thanks. i need adequate quality glass, at least for now. any idea what
the going rate is for one in good condition?

Herb

Re: looking for an odd lens

[Bill D. Casselberry]

Herb Chong wrote:
 
> OK, thanks. i need adequate quality glass, at least for now. any idea what
> the going rate is for one in good condition?

I have an SMCP 400mm f5.6 which I could be persuaded to
part with if you are looking for a quality long lens for
a reasonable cost. Contact me off-list if you like.

Bill

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Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast

http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb
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Re: OT! Re: Fill-in Flash with AF200T

[CBWaters]

- Original Message -
From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>
>
> CBWaters wrote:
> >
> > Ok...
> > First, I don't think your flash fired as the first and third  uh,
gorilla,
> > look the same.
>
> Nope. The third gorilla is all squinty-eyed from the flash going off! 
>
> keith whaley
>
>

Ahhh, didn't notice that.  cool.
Cory

Reference for Anthony

[Bob Blakely]

From:

Year Book Australia 2002
Crime and Justice
Crimes recorded by police

http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/ABS%40.nsf/94713ad445ff1425ca25682000192af2/0
8238ef609c9178eca256b35001967d0!OpenDocument

Figures are rate per 100,000 population.
Figures in paren are percent change from year 1996.

Offence category  1996  1997  1998   1999  2000
Homicide, etc5.6n.a.(n.a.)5.3( -5.4%)5.1(-8.9%)
5.2(-7.1%)
Murder1.71.7( 0.0%)1.5(-11.8%)1.8( 5.9%)
1.6(-5.9%)
Attempted murder   1.81.7(-5.6%)2.1( 16.7%)1.9( 5.6%)
2.0(11.1%)
Manslaughter   0.20.2( 0.0%)0.3( 50.0%)0.2( 0.0%)0.2(
0.0%)
Assault  623.5  672.2( 7.8%)  699.0( 12.1%)  709.2(13.7%)
736.8(18.2%)
Sexual assault79.4   77.5(-2.4%)   76.6( -3.5%)   74.5(-6.2%)   81.6(
2.8%)
Kidnapping 2.63.0(15.4%)3.8( 46.2%)4.0(53.8%)
3.6(38.5%)
Robbery   89.4  115.0(28.6%)  127.1( 42.2%)  119.4(33.6%)
121.7(36.1%)
Armed robbery 34.2   48.9(43.0%)   57.9( 69.3%)   49.9(45.9%)
49.5(44.7%)
Unarmed robbery   55.3   66.1(19.5%)   69.2( 25.1%)   69.5(25.7%)
72.3(30.7%)
Unlawful entry  2196.2 2276.2( 3.6%) 2319.5(  5.6%) 2195.7( 0.0%) 2280.8(
3.9%)
Other theft 2850.0 2866.4( 0.6%) 3008.9(  5.6%) 3235.2(13.5%)
3523.1(23.6%)

This is exactly where the NRA verified the stats that were given them by a
firearms organization from YOUR country. The NRA did not publish false data
as you allege. Your leaders lied, along with great huffing and puffing. You
sucked it right up too. Tell them to make good on their promise and sue the
NRA. It'll be fun... and excellent exposure.

Regards,
Bob...

---
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 01:20  AM, Anthony Farr wrote:

> Could you point me to statistical evidence for this that was NOT
> published by the NRA.  That organization has previously published false
> statistics about firearms crime in Australia so I won't give any
> credence to that source.

> From: "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > It's =REAL= easy for the skank when they =know= that their victim
> > can't, or will not, be able to defend themselves. Another example is
> > England and Australia. Crimes has skyrocketed since they disarmed the
> > populace to "protect" them.

Re: looking for an odd lens

[Herb Chong]

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I have an SMCP 400mm f5.6 which I could be persuaded to
part with if you are looking for a quality long lens for
a reasonable cost. Contact me off-list if you like.

Bill<

want reflex for weight and size reasons. backcountry stuff and i have to
carry everything. thanks.

Herb

Re: Pentax LX Battery Cover

[Geoff Moes]

Aren't LX's great like that.

Try Pentax in Colorado, if you call their 800 number they have a parts 
department selection, I'm sure that's one they will have.

Geoff


> Does any one know where I can get a replacement battery compartment cover for 
> my LX?  (There's one on the ground somewhere in the Bronx Zoo, but I've 
> already looked and can't find that one.  At least the day was not ruined, 
> because the LX still worked).
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Steve
> 

Re[2]: looking for an odd lens

[Bruce Dayton]

Herb,

I tend to carry my FA * 200/2.8 + 1.4X-L converter.  Gives me 300mm
reach and the weight/size is not that bad.  That is one of the reasons
I would consider selling my A 400/5.6.  Just a thought.


Bruce



Monday, December 9, 2002, 11:25:07 AM, you wrote:

HC> Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>I have an SMCP 400mm f5.6 which I could be persuaded to
HC> part with if you are looking for a quality long lens for
HC> a reasonable cost. Contact me off-list if you like.

HC> Bill<

HC> want reflex for weight and size reasons. backcountry stuff and i have to
HC> carry everything. thanks.

HC> Herb

Re: Fame, Luminous Landscape abuse and Mikes latest column...

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

Monday, December 9, 2002, 12:19:15 PM, you wrote:

> I am not sure I totally agree with the paragraph:

> "Any kind of specialist photographer will immediately recoil from the
> suggestion that photographers could benefit from having only one or two
> lenses. Lenses can allow access - to tiny things or to far-away things,
> and to exotic angles of view. More lenses are usually needed for more
> specialized work or for different kinds of specialties, which is why
> pros tend to own the most."

> Surely pros and specialists are more likely that amateurs to only need a
> small number of focal lengths as their requirements tend to be more
> clearly defined.  Whereas an amateur shoots all manner of subjects and
> specialities and thus wants a lens for EVERY purpose?

I think it might be more accurate to say that professionals have
access to a greater number of lenses (and other items). Mainly because
they will rent rather than buy the exotics, few being able to cost-justify
the capital expense. And professionals such as agency photographers and
staffers on newspapers draw from a pool that their employee maintains.
Remember that just because some professional specialise, it doesn't
mean they're not also hobbyists in some other area of photography!
Elliott Erwitt says he's a professional photographer whose hobby
happens to be photography. People become professionals because they're
good at it and like it, and tend to be very good generalists.

> Mike does actually seem to agree with this himself to a degree and I am
> not sure if he actually contradicts his earlier statement when he says:

> "Anyone who uses a view camera or a rangefinder Leica almost by
> definition uses only a few focal lengths, although as wealthy hobbyists
> have invaded the domain more and more people are found amassing large
> collections of lenses even for those devices.

I think the point is that there aren't many lenses for RF Leicas (and
presumably view cameras).

> I wholeheartedly agree when he says:

> "the exercise of picking one prime lens and shooting with it exclusively
> until you've forgotten what other lenses feel like is a learning
> experience that you will carry with you for the rest of your life"

I half-heartedly agree. The purpose of the exercise is to train your
'seeing'. Reducing the number of variables is likely to help
concentrate on the image rather than the technology. But the way it's
normally phrased you'd think that just using one lens was sufficient and
necessary, but it's neither. I would think that a great many people -
including me - could improve their photography as much or more by studying
the underlying principles of composition, and by deeper understanding of
their preferred subject matter.

---

 Bob  

"Our heads are round so that our thoughts can fly in any direction"
Francis Picabia

Re: My December photo project for fun and hopefully profit

[Evan Hanson]

Ann, I would love to get one of these for my office.  Be sure to let us know
when it's available.

Evan


From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: My December photo project for fun and hopefully profit


> My mini-ad can be seen at :
> http://users.rcn.com/annsan/calendar4adonweb.jpg
>
> I need to enhance it -  but you'll get the idea. (want to show what one
> calendar page looks like)
>
>  I used MS Publisher for the calendar itself, alas,
> and learned a few things the hard way.  But it prints nicely.  But the
> damn file is 30 megs!
> I know I need to show what one page looks like with captions and
> date boxes - will do it soon.
>
> Does anyone have one of those old and inexpensive spiral binding
> punches?
> and the simple manual machine for putting the combs in the holes?
>
> ALso, if anyone knows about how many full-color 8 1/2 x 11" pages I can
> milk out of a hp 722c I'd love to know - I can't find it in the
> paperwork I have
> and the machine is, as you know, not new.
>
> THe HP everyday photo matte paper looks good.  I did the cover in the
> good glossy
> paper.
>
> I expect some of the photos on the little jpg file will look crappy on
> the aol browser.
>
> back to work.. any help will be appreciated -
> annsan
>
>
>
>

Re[2]: looking for an odd lens

[Herb Chong]

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Herb,

I tend to carry my FA * 200/2.8 + 1.4X-L converter.  Gives me 300mm
reach and the weight/size is not that bad.  That is one of the reasons
I would consider selling my A 400/5.6.  Just a thought.


Bruce
<

i'm thinking of a used converter too, but it would be mated to my FA*
80-200 2.8. weighs a lot.

Herb.

Re: Fame, Luminous Landscape abuse and Mikes latest column...

[gfen]

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Bob Walkden wrote:
> I think the point is that there aren't many lenses for RF Leicas (and
> presumably view cameras).

There's lots and lots of view camera lenses, I just think they tend to
realize they only need one or two and learn how to make their vision and
lens selection match, rather than throwing tons of equipment at the
photograph.

-- 
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http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio.

Re: OT: The weekend in Ontario

[Pat]

--- Collin Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, What does QEW stand for?


Collin-

QEW = Queen's Expressway. The standard MPH to km per hr conversion always gets
to me on a trip north of the border as well. The eyes see 100km/h and the brain
goes "Whoa" when it only roughly translates to 62MPH. Pushing it up to 120km/h
as you did makes it more like 70-75MPH, which here in California, seems to be
on the slowish side of the norm.

Pat in SF

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Re: Fame, Luminous Landscape abuse and Mikes latest column...

[Herb Chong]

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>There's lots and lots of view camera lenses, I just think they tend to
realize they only need one or two and learn how to make their vision and
lens selection match, rather than throwing tons of equipment at the
photograph.
<

there is carrying them too, and changing lenses is a complicated affair. a
view camera photographer has enough to carry without extra lenses. also,
have you priced any?

Herb

Foto-Gorillas in the Mist (was: Re: OT! Re: Fill-in Flash with AF200T)

[Cotty]

CBWaters wrote:
> 
> Ok...
> First, I don't think your flash fired as the first and third  uh, gorilla,
> look the same.

Nope. The third gorilla is all squinty-eyed from the flash going off! 

keith whaley

>> Second, How the hell is that a gorilla?
>> Cory


>I thought I just wouldn't ask. 
>hAt one time had a good friend, who was also my wife, who, when she
>drew animals for the little ones clustered around, they all turned out
>essentially the same size and shape.
>Both eyes on the near side of the head. All four legs inline, of
>course! The sstrangely amorphous creature was stock stuff.
>Add a trunk and it became an eleflump. OPf course! Whiskers meant it
>was a feline, of some ilk...
>And so on.

Okay okay, I've risen to the challenge. For an everyday tale of gorillas 
and cameras, look at:

http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/mods/gorillas.html

:-)

Cotty


Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at
http://www.macads.co.uk/

Oh, swipe me! He paints with light!
http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/

Re: Fame, Luminous Landscape abuse and Mikes latest column...

[gfen]

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Herb Chong wrote:

Just so you know, I'm supporting minimal kits.. ;)

> there is carrying them too, and changing lenses is a complicated affair. a

I don't have much experience here, however, changing lenses isn't that
difficult. Slide out a tab at the top, at the bottom, change board, adjust
bellows...

> view camera photographer has enough to carry without extra lenses. also,
> have you priced any?

Only the ones I've purchased.

-- 
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http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio.

Re: Foto-Gorillas in the Mist (was: Re: OT! Re: Fill-in Flash with AF200T)

[eactivist]

In a message dated 12/9/2002 3:52:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Okay okay, I've risen to the challenge. For an everyday 
> tale of gorillas 
> and cameras, look at:
> 
> http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/mods/gorillas.html
> 
> :-)
> 
> Cotty

Cute. Makes me wonder how you'd draw some of the people on this list.

Doe aka Marnie 

Re: Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings

[Brad Dobo]

I'm not trying to win any awards for this purpose, just enough to see a
'problem' @ night.

- Original Message -
From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:46 AM
Subject: RE: Pushing the limits of film and the camera settings


> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> >
> >
> > Kodak Tmax 3200 should be able to be pushed as far as 25,000 IIRC.
> > Remember though that you're going to lose shadow detail as
> > you go higher
> > than the 3200.
>
> It loses shadow detail over 1600.
>
> tv
>
>
>

OT: Smartdisk Smartscan 3600

[Dan Scott]

Has heard anything about this film scanner, the Smartscan 3600? 3600 
dpi film scanner, scans strips without a carrier?

Searching google doesn't yield much other than price and the 
manufacturer's spiel.

For anyone considering the Epson 2450, it seem to have reached the US 
$350 area (online prices). Probably my best bet actually, but I 
hesitate to commit after my last scanner's poor performance and 
untimely demise (money that could have been better spent on good Pentax 
glass).

Dan Scott

Re: Fame, Luminous Landscape abuse and Mikes latest column...

[Rob Studdert]

On 9 Dec 2002 at 15:36, Herb Chong wrote:

> Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >There's lots and lots of view camera lenses, I just think they tend to
> realize they only need one or two and learn how to make their vision and
> lens selection match, rather than throwing tons of equipment at the
> photograph.
> <
> 
> there is carrying them too, and changing lenses is a complicated affair. a
> view camera photographer has enough to carry without extra lenses. also,
> have you priced any?

Apart from the fact that a view camera is only going to be really usable in a 
more limited numbers of photographic scenarios as are RF cameras.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html

better calendar layout and guessing game come on its fun!

[Ann Sanfedele]

http://users.rcn.com/annsan/calendar4adonweb.jpg

better layout --
using matte heavyweight - as Dan suggested.   but glossy for the cover.

So any of you guys game for joining the where in the USA was ann
sanfedele?
what, pictures too small?

2 points for each correct locale, 1 point for correct state without
precise locale,
1/2 point of you are in the neighborhood.

Only one picture was taken in a state I have NOT been to in the past
year and 1/2.

I remember someone nailing a picture I quizzed you guys on last year
saying "I love google"

If Robb doesn't get 6 points I'll be really disappointed.

And a big thanks for all of you who gave me printing tips...

annsan
who will be (gasp!) 66 years young tomorrow.  Making the calendars is my
birthday present
to myself, even if I cant sell enough to make a little profit.

Re: Interesting read

[Peter Alling]

I don't know how true this is, but...  I have heard that the new High power
x-ray machines used for checked luggage can fry electronic devices.

At 10:24 AM 12/9/2002 -0500, you wrote:

This is an interesting argument.  In addition, you could easily conceive
of airport security making film impractical for travel.  Although they
will have to make some accommodation for electronic storage devices
these days, I could easily see them saying "this will damage film -
sorry" for random checks, which would swing many folks over to digital.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/09/02 09:24AM >>>
On 9 Dec 2002 at 15:17, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
>
> In my personal humble opinion the question of fate of film is more
of
> philosophical than of practical nature.

Hi Boris,

Sorry to cut your well presented argument short but it could be as
simple as
the introduction of governmental EPA constraints that end the reign of
film.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html

Re: better calendar layout and guessing game come on its fun!

[frank theriault]

A contest?  What's the prize, Ann?

A "free gift"?  

regards,
frank

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> http://users.rcn.com/annsan/calendar4adonweb.jpg
>
> better layout --
> using matte heavyweight - as Dan suggested.   but glossy for the cover.
>
> So any of you guys game for joining the where in the USA was ann
> sanfedele?
> what, pictures too small?
>
> 2 points for each correct locale, 1 point for correct state without
> precise locale,
> 1/2 point of you are in the neighborhood.
>
> Only one picture was taken in a state I have NOT been to in the past
> year and 1/2.
>
> I remember someone nailing a picture I quizzed you guys on last year
> saying "I love google"
>
> If Robb doesn't get 6 points I'll be really disappointed.
>
> And a big thanks for all of you who gave me printing tips...
>
> annsan
> who will be (gasp!) 66 years young tomorrow.  Making the calendars is my
> birthday present
> to myself, even if I cant sell enough to make a little profit.

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer

Re: better calendar layout and guessing game come on its fun!

[frank theriault]

BTW, happy birthday, Ann!!

frank theriault wrote:

> A contest?  What's the prize, Ann?
>
> A "free gift"?  
>

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer

Re: OT: The weekend in Ontario

[Pat White]

Actually, QEW is short for Queen Elizabeth Way.  You're right about speeds
in California.  Last summer I drove to California, and typical speeds on I-5
were 75-90 mph, but almost no-one travelled any faster.  Have you driven in
Europe?

Pat White

Re: ME Super customization

[Frantisek Vlcek]

Monday, December 9, 2002, 3:44:18 PM, Cotty wrote:
C> Jees, all this wonderful talk about drilling here, unscrewing there - 
C> makes me wanna go out and start . well, doing things! I wonder if 
C> I can knock together a film back for the D60?

sounds interesting, although probably quite a pricey mod! Cotty, don't
you need some medication ;-)

C> Can't help you out with the ME Super old boy, except to say bin it and 
C> get an MX ;-)

No. I have everything pentax I need. Almost. Well I do. I do. It's a
matter of will. :)

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek

Re: Back!

[Frantisek Vlcek]

Monday, December 9, 2002, 3:39:29 PM, Cotty wrote:
C> Hi Frants,

C> Welcome back. Where is your exhibition showing?

C> Cotty


Hi Cotty, master of Pentax mods :)

In Prague, of course :) You don't plan on visiting don't you - that
would be wonderful indeed!

I will put up some of the better images on web of course :)

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek

Re: ME Super customization

[Frantisek Vlcek]

RS> There isn't any threaded recess designed to accommodate a grip on the ME Super,
RS> you'd have to either end up adding a Winder or a base grip attached to the 
RS> tripod thread as shown here:

RS> http://members28.cool.ne.jp/~khmhk/Tool/rgrip.html

Hi Rob,
   thanks for the link. That's something like what I had in mind. Although an
   empty (emptied of most electronics) ME winder, possibly with the
   base thickness reduced, could suffice too. I will see what the
   machinist I know can produce.
   
Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek