Re: Happy New Year
I just feel the need to join in: I, too, wish you all a happy new year. Yesterday I reorganized my link-collection and got on Graywolf's site. I stuck there for some time scanning over his story. Made me contemplative for a while. So I think good wishes for a good new year are really useful for some members of the great pdml-family. This in mind Bernd From: Michel Carrère-Gée Subject: Happy New Year Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:31:57 -0800 Happy New Year Bonne Année Michel
Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?
My guess would be something like this for film cameras... Because the camera gets to 1/1,000 or 1/4,000 of a second exposure by using a narrower and narrower slit that travels across the face of the film (1st to 2nd shutter curtain distance), I would pulse the flash. Say I used 200 (or 2,000) pulses of flash in that 1/4,000 of a second. I could get about any exposure I wanted and the illumination would end up being even because I fired the flash when the slit was at the top of the film and at the bottom and everywhere in between. Kind of a strobe, but very fast. I wouldn't have to get the mechanical parts to be perfect, there could be some slop in when the flash started and ended. Just so long as the flash was pulsing when the slit first opened until it finally closed. That sounds a perfectly good explanation to me. I'll buy it. You take Paypal? :-) Cot Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Vs: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section
Frank, you are being modest. You sum it up very well. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 23:13 Aihe: Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section Hi, Bob, You know, I think that quote kind of sums up all of these threads that have quite exploded here in the last several days. (which I've enjoyed immensely, btw, even though much of it goes over my flat head) Kelvin was a scientist. He needed mathematics to explain what he was doing. It was his language. Some things can't be completely explained with the language of mathematics (at least not yet). Many try to express these things with other languages (for lack of a better term). Sometimes philosophical treatises are used in an attempt to express these concepts. Some use art (I guess that's why many philosophers write novels and plays). Sometimes music, dance, and the visual arts (including photography!!) are the medium of choice. To Kelvin (and apparently some others on this list), if it can't be expressed mathematically, the knowledge is meager and unsatisfactory, because it can't be expressed in his language. For others, the arts is a way to try to explain and observe the world. All are valid. But, all fail to completely and satisfactorily explain ~everything~. Which is why we have scientists, mathematicians, philosophers and artists. And which is why the lines between these disciplines are often very blurry, because when you come down to it, they're all trying to explain the same thing. Sorry if I'm not making sense here, because I'm really none of the above. I'm just a bike courier who like to take photographs. vbg cheers, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, ok, but since thoughts of a possible ET arose in the mind of man mathematics has been described by scientists and science fiction writers alike as the only universal language with which we might begin communication. Personally, I have an old quote hanging in my office from Lord Kelvin. You know, the guy who invented the Kelvinator, the early models of the home refrigerator. Lord Kelvin said When you can measure and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot... your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind. It drive my marketing research/focus group colleagues crazy! g Regards, Bob S. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Vs: Cheap way into rangefinders
I think that the camera in this film was a Kodak Retina - never seen the film myself but I read a review of it. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: 'Pentax-Discuss' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 31. joulukuuta 2002 3:33 Aihe: Re: Cheap way into rangefinders For most of 2001, I belonged to Cameraquest.com's Classic Rangefinder discussion list. I tried various fixed-lens RFs by Yashica, Olympus, and Konica. I never tried the Canonet GIII, but it enjoyed one of the most devoted (fanatical?) followings for its sharpness and ergonomics. The Web is full of information and opinions about it. The black version is quite rare and highly sought-after. Some independent movie was even made (fictional) about a young man who receives a Canonet GIII as a gift and becomes a celebrated street photographer. (I can't remember the movie's title; I think it had only one word.) I hear that the movie showed his arms recoiling backward each time he pressed the shutter, as though he had just fired a rifle. But then, I lost all respect for Hollywood's treatment of photographers when I saw Mighty Joe Young: In the beginning of the movie, the pretty primatologist is shooting gorillas with what ought to be a very stealthy Leica M3. But the director has dubbed in the sound of a mirror-slapping n SLR! Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to try your hand at rangefinder photography, here is my trusty Canonet G III for sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=30027item=1948267251 rd=1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Numbers and the Golden Section (off-topic in extremis)
How on earth this relates to Pentax products is to me a much greater mental challenge. Pentax is the only camera maker whose name relates to a number. Coincidence? (X-files music begins. . . .)
January Pug quick favorites
Another great Pug. My quick favorites: Petr Pazour's Flood Water I missed the street light on my first viewing, great shot. Mike Wilson's Swiss Sparrow Mark Cassino's Gold in Purple As always Mark a great job. Loved the contrast between the bug and the background. Ayan Banerjee's Executives Reminds me of work. Albano's Bored... Evan
Re: OT: Tripod recommendations please
Cotty, LOL, Perhaps you could help me with a few items here. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PPS the VHS player was an old farty thing that had seen 3 year's service but often needed a good clout to ward off an amazing shower of sparkles across the picture. It recently decided to reject tapes completely, obviously sulking. So I bought a replacement in the sales. The sulker was ceremoniously removed to the back patio whereupon Stefan and I took turns advising it with a lump hammer. You see, Basil Fawlty attacking his red Morris with a tree branch is much closer to home than we Brits care to admit
Vs: Pentax releases Espio with 24-105mm lens
Most are 38 - nominally - which might mean a real 42. Not good. I was tempted by the 28-90 Espio but looked at the maximum aperture at tele end - and got a Voigtländer Bessa-R. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 31. joulukuuta 2002 14:21 Aihe: RE: Pentax releases Espio with 24-105mm lens snip Similarly, whenever people ask for my advise about ps cameras I always tell them to look at the widest setting. Many are concerned with the telephoto end. My premise is that most often people take group shots of family and friends, and as such 24 is fantastic. Most are 35. I think it is innovative that Pentax has set the standard at the wide end when everyone is puching the telephoto. It would be a nice-to-have camera when you don't want an SLR to tote around... César Panama City, Florida
Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section
Personally, I have an old quote hanging in my office from Lord Kelvin. You know, the guy who invented the Kelvinator, the early models of the home refrigerator. Did these refrigerators keep your food at absolute zero? Well, very nearly absolute zero. g Bob S.
Re: Rules of composition? Bah!
Once again, I have to fully agree with Pål on this one. Any respectable book on photography discusses the rule of thirds as a starting point photographers should use. That's not to say you can't and should not break the rules. The rules are a starting point and that's all. But, like I said earlier, you need to know the rules before you break them with any intelligience. The best pictures are the ones that break the rules because they add tension to the image. But, don't kid yourself, those photographers who create these magnificent rule-breaking images on a regular basis are quite aware that they are breaking the rules. They know when to break the rules and they will tell you why they broke the rules and why the image is successful despite breaking the rules BTW even if you think you don't use the rule of thirds, chances are you do. In most portraits, for example, you'll see that the eyes of the model are along the top (traditional) or bottom third (fashion or contemporary approach) of the picture. Pål's comments on mature and immature images is certainly valid. When, for example, photographers start to take pictures of wildlife they want to fill the frame with their image. If they come to the realization that these closeups have been done a million times in zoos etc, they begin to back off and try to get the animal in its environment. Today's successful wildlife photographers are using a 20mm lens to get up close and personal with an animal in its environment. These are immature images which make people say wow Filling the frame is a good rule to follow. But it's the one that should and is broken most often by photographers who know better and know when to break it... In reference to some of the great shots that have been taken in the past that don't appear to follow any rules: Pål is correct again. These pictures are memorable because in their day they were seen as new approaches immature images. The shot of the soldier being killed would be mildly interesting today. Chances are critics would say the picture is soft and dismiss it. That's not to say It was not great in it's day for it's ability to capture the precise moment of a soldier being shot. With today's autofocus cameras and highspeed film this shot becomes a whole lot easier to get (in focus, in living colour and at 5fps the photographer would have a whole series on the guy getting shot. In my job at a daily newspaper I see hundreds of outstanding shots on the photo wires that would not have been possible just a few years ago. A lot of these never even get used. These are shots that would have made the history books 30 years ago... The times they are a changin.. Vic
Re: Rules of composition? Bah!
The shot of the soldier being killed would be mildly interesting today. Chances are critics would say the picture is soft and dismiss it. That's not to say It was not great in it's day for it's ability to capture the precise moment of a soldier being shot. With today's autofocus cameras and highspeed film this shot becomes a whole lot easier to get (in focus, in living colour and at 5fps the photographer would have a whole series on the guy getting shot. IMNHO, this shot was as much luck as skill. At the instant the photographer decided to press the shutter release, this soldier would have been still on his feet. It was just a coincidence that he happened to get shot when the shutter opened. Bill
PUG down?
I notice that Evan was able to access the PUG earlier. But I've been trying for a couple of hours and can't get to the server. Is it down? Paul Stenquist
RE: PUG down?
As far as I can see it is up. Please check your connection. Cheers Adelheid PUG Maintainer -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 16:20 To: Pentax Discuss Subject: PUG down? I notice that Evan was able to access the PUG earlier. But I've been trying for a couple of hours and can't get to the server. Is it down? Paul Stenquist
Re: PUG down?
Try again Paul. It still seems to be working for me. Evan From: Paul Stenquist Subject: PUG down? I notice that Evan was able to access the PUG earlier. But I've been trying for a couple of hours and can't get to the server. Is it down? Paul Stenquist
Re: PUG down?
Connections fine. I can access every other site I have bookmarked. Still no PUG with either Internet Explorer or Netscape. I've never had trouble accessing it before. Have any othe Mac/cable modem users been able to get on? Paul Adelheid v. K. wrote: As far as I can see it is up. Please check your connection. Cheers Adelheid PUG Maintainer -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 16:20 To: Pentax Discuss Subject: PUG down? I notice that Evan was able to access the PUG earlier. But I've been trying for a couple of hours and can't get to the server. Is it down? Paul Stenquist
Re: PUG down?
Paul i'm not having a problem and I'm on a Mac G3 with phone modem and AOL.. Vic
W32.Yaha.K@mm Worm
Folks, Please verify that your AntiVirus definitions are up to date. I've recently (i.e. today) gotten 3 emails containing this virus - Norton covers it off fine so I'm protected - but I'm sure that everyone isn't in the same position. The virus info can be found here: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Keeping you informed, Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Utility of 645 Format(was Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re:MediumFormat-Whichone is best?))
I did a Pal and picked and chose categories as I saw fit. I responded to one of the things you listed. If you want to make an example with one thing then pick one thing. You never mentioned 600/4 lenses. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? Wildlife, or even sportshooters without a tripod? Ever tried to handhold a 600/4 lens?
Re: W32.Yaha.K@mm Worm
It's times like these that make me glad I use Linux. ;-) On Tuesday 31 December 2002 04:13 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please verify that your AntiVirus definitions are up to date. I've recently (i.e. today) gotten 3 emails containing this virus - Norton covers it off fine so I'm protected - but I'm sure that everyone isn't in the same position. The virus info can be found here: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.yaha.k@mm .html -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas Business Is Going To The Dogs
Nice work, PUGsters...
All the entries were well done this month! Here's a few that I thought were above and beyond: Martin Mielke's Beaver looks like it's ready to head off into the sunrise on a (damn) cold morning. Ken Waller's Santa Barbara Birds for it's pumped up color as well as the fact that it's really monochrome: black, red and shades in between. Simple composition of just three birds works well, too. Ray Ford's Sandwich Boardwalk is a great study in simplicity: symmetry between the bridge and its reflection and cool color palette. Petr Pazour's Flood Water conveys a lot of energy and awe, especially when you notice the tiny streetlamp on the right. Seems more like a fine art photograph than reportage. Mark Cassino's Gold In Purple is a great nature macro shot. The background bokeh color nicely echoes the colors found in the main subjects and the lighting adds depth. Well done! Thibault Grouas' Fishing is a fine photo that would have fit in perfectly with last month's gallery: The alarm one feels for the foundering vessel contrasted with the calmness (apathy?) of the fisherman, and, of course, the size of the ship and person. It looks like he's going to get squished! Marnie Parker's Golden Moment. At first, I thought this was simply a nice snap of oaks on a golden slope, a fine composition on its own. However, the slightly hidden doe in upper third of the frame really made me go Wow! once I found it. I like the fact that this is a wildlife photo without being blatant about it.
Re: PUG down?
Paul try directly entering the IP address. 63.167.241.132 For some unknown reason my DNS server occasionally chokes on PUG. Evan From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: PUG down? Connections fine. I can access every other site I have bookmarked. Still no PUG with either Internet Explorer or Netscape. I've never had trouble accessing it before. Have any othe Mac/cable modem users been able to get on? Paul
Re: PUG down?
I have a Mac, and Netscape, Paul, and liked your photo! g No problems of access for me. That was about 5 AM this morning (Tuesday.) keith whaley Paul Stenquist wrote: Connections fine. I can access every other site I have bookmarked. Still no PUG with either Internet Explorer or Netscape. I've never had trouble accessing it before. Have any othe Mac/cable modem users been able to get on? Paul Adelheid v. K. wrote: As far as I can see it is up. Please check your connection. Cheers Adelheid PUG Maintainer -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 16:20 To: Pentax Discuss Subject: PUG down? I notice that Evan was able to access the PUG earlier. But I've been trying for a couple of hours and can't get to the server. Is it down? Paul Stenquist
Re: Utility of 645 Format(was Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space?(WAS:Re:MediumFormat-Which one is best?))
For what it's worth, I find I can handhold a 6x7 with 300/4 plus 2X converter at 1/1000 and get consistently good results. I can hit about 50% at 1/500. Paul Stenquist Bruce Rubenstein wrote: I did a Pal and picked and chose categories as I saw fit. I responded to one of the things you listed. If you want to make an example with one thing then pick one thing. You never mentioned 600/4 lenses. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? Wildlife, or even sportshooters without a tripod? Ever tried to handhold a 600/4 lens?
Re: PUG down?
Paul, Was fine on AOL over here in Chicago earlier this AM. It is A-OK right now. Nice pictures too... g Regards, Bob S. In a message dated 12/31/02 10:02:29 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Connections fine. I can access every other site I have bookmarked. Still no PUG with either Internet Explorer or Netscape. I've never had trouble accessing it before. Have any othe Mac/cable modem users been able to get on?
Re: Hollywood
MJ My favorite is when they need to see something in the distance so they keep MJ blowing it up...more, and more, and more, and more, until what was just a MJ speck on the original negative is a sharp, brilliant 8x10. Hollywood. MJ --Mike I am always glad we have Antonioni. Even though the Blow-up is not so much about photography as about the world, it's one of my most favourite films. Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek
WEATHER SEALING (LX,M lenses), + rather SAD STORY
Hi, I have a few questions to ask before leaving. I just returned from outside (-10celsius) where I photographed some dusk landscapes lit by multicoloured fireworks (I didn't plan on the fireworks, but they lit indirectly the landscape very nicely). With the LX on auto, and M lenses (the new M75-150/4 proved itself nicely). I used a small canvas camera bag, which isn't sealed. So upon returning home, the LX and lenses got lot of condensation... I was pretty confident that the LX can take it without any problems (is that so? it was dripping with moisture, but metered and motored fine), but what about the M lenses? I kept the zoom in a sealed case, but a M 2/35 was on the body and was dripping too (no fog inside though). How well are the M lenses sealed? Should I worry? How about shooting in rain? Again, the LX can cope with it, but the lenses? On some reportages, I shot in rain because there was no other option, and it wasn't raining much. But still I would like to hear some of the experts opinions. And now the sad story (extreme example of above theme) Yesterday I saw my friend, a Pentax collector (he had big problems with several LXes, even AFTER sending them to Pentax Belgium for repair). He has an eye on K2DMD plus MD motor for his collection. He was persuading one person to sell him both, partly in exchange for a modern AF SLR. But the K2DMD can grow on you, sentimentally (mine certainly did). Yesterday I saw the K2DMD in his shop! You must be certainly glad that you finally persuaded the person. It's more pride of your collection that your LX. Sadly he brought the camera to me, and said Lahovice. That's one of the suburbs of Prague that got about 4 meters of water during the summer catastrophal floods. Opening the camera revealed completely rusted inside, the film rails were partly eaten away, etc - ruined, a wreck. Just the brass outside survived well. He then told me, that the person owning the K2DMD came to him three months after the flood, with the K2DMD and wanting him to get it repaired... while all the time it had been stored with water inside. He has a Vivitar S1 zoom which still has water inside the optics, there is about two cups of water sloshing happilly inside, even after so much time. It's a great pity because if restored immediately, the camera could have been saved, maybe. Now, after so much time in water, it's a wreck (there are sadder parts to this story, as anybody who has been flooded knows. It's nothing wonderful). There is also a brighter (although cynical) side to this story: with the demise of this K2DMD, all our working nice K2DMDs just got somewhat rarer and more pricey... Good light, Frantisek Vlcek
Re: New 67 lens?
RKB A 6x7 piece of silicon is _always_ going to be VERY expensive and rare. RKB Moore's law does not apply here (nor even in FF 35mm sensors, IMHO)- RKB these chips are just giants. Just to add to what you wrote, Moore's law never applied to silicon chip size. All the chips are about same size the last 20 years or so. Including the newest Pentiums. The only thing it applies to is miniaturisation of the individual transistor elements. ie pixels in CCD/CMOS chips. But you can't miniaturise them indefinitely because noise steps in. So unless the technology reaches entirely new level, bigger chips will always be much more expensive, as you said. Interestingly, the Mars Lander robot used a very old 8bit CPU for its main brain, because, although physically same size as Pentiums, its transistors were much larger (because there were so few of them compared to modern CPUs). They used a slow chip because of cosmic rays, which didn't have much impact if they hit a large area transistor, but which could do much more errors if hitting smaller transistors. It's the same principe why small pixel CCDs are so noisy. Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek
A HAppy New Year to You All!
Hi guys and gals, The subject says it all. I won't be at home around midnight so I'm anticipating the wishes a bit. Ciao, Gianfranco = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: OT: Tripod recommendations please
I suppose we're all allowed a gaff or two but I have to say that on this performance, I wouldn't be using them again. Naturally I didn't tell Nice Chap that - I'm british for drying out loud. I whinge in silence and lagter beat up a VHS player. True. Spellchecking and proofreading is everything: I suppose we're all allowed a gaff or two but I have to say that on this performance, I wouldn't be using them again. Naturally I didn't tell Nice Chap that - I'm british for crying out loud. I whinge in silence and later beat up a VHS player. True. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: PUG down?
Connections fine. I can access every other site I have bookmarked. Still no PUG with either Internet Explorer or Netscape. I've never had trouble accessing it before. Have any othe Mac/cable modem users been able to get on? Paul Just tried. Everything fine. 18:09 GMT, Mac PowerBook, OS 9.1, Modem. Cheers, Cot Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
OT New Year's grin: Have Lump Hammer, will travel.
Cotty, LOL, Perhaps you could help me with a few items here. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PPS the VHS player was an old farty thing that had seen 3 year's service but often needed a good clout to ward off an amazing shower of sparkles across the picture. It recently decided to reject tapes completely, obviously sulking. So I bought a replacement in the sales. The sulker was ceremoniously removed to the back patio whereupon Stefan and I took turns advising it with a lump hammer. You see, Basil Fawlty attacking his red Morris with a tree branch is much closer to home than we Brits care to admit You can make a booking now, Bob. Most days free in 03! Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: WEATHER SEALING (LX,M lenses), + rather SAD STORY
From: Frantisek Vlcek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I have a few questions to ask before leaving. I just returned from outside (-10celsius) where I photographed some dusk landscapes lit by multicoloured fireworks (I didn't plan on the fireworks, but they lit indirectly the landscape very nicely). With the LX on auto, and M lenses (the new M75-150/4 proved itself nicely). I used a small canvas camera bag, which isn't sealed. So upon returning home, the LX and lenses got lot of condensation... I was pretty confident that the LX can take it without any problems (is that so? it was dripping with moisture, but metered and motored fine), but what about the M lenses? Much of the important, moisture sensitivity parts of the LX are sealed, but it's never good to allow condensation on any fine instrument. The moisture must, of course, be removed as soon as possible to prevent growth of airborn, opportunistic organisms - especially on the LX shutter and inside the lenses. This can be done by placing the equipment in a flow of warm, dry air - warmer than the room but not hot. One way to prevent serious condensation from taking plave is to carry Ziploc bags with you. Place the camera and lenses in the Ziploc bags and seal them BEFORE you enter any heated area (your home for example). Do not remove them until they (and all their internal parts) have reached (near) room temperature. I kept the zoom in a sealed case, but a M 2/35 was on the body and was dripping too (no fog inside though). How well are the M lenses sealed? Lenses cannot be completely sealed because they must allow a free exchange of air when focusing. Should I worry? How about shooting in rain? Again, the LX can cope with it, but the lenses? On some reportages, I shot in rain because there was no other option, and it wasn't raining much. But still I would like to hear some of the experts opinions. There are companies that sell special bags for shooting in the rain. Can't think of a specific one right now, but I've seen them advertised in both magazines and on the web. I've never used them, so I cannot attest to their performance. And now the sad story (extreme example of above theme) Yesterday I saw my friend, a Pentax collector (he had big problems with several LXes, even AFTER sending them to Pentax Belgium for repair). He has an eye on K2DMD plus MD motor for his collection. He was persuading one person to sell him both, partly in exchange for a modern AF SLR. But the K2DMD can grow on you, sentimentally (mine certainly did). Yesterday I saw the K2DMD in his shop! You must be certainly glad that you finally persuaded the person. It's more pride of your collection that your LX. Sadly he brought the camera to me, and said Lahovice. That's one of the suburbs of Prague that got about 4 meters of water during the summer catastrophal floods. Opening the camera revealed completely rusted inside, the film rails were partly eaten away, etc - ruined, a wreck. Just the brass outside survived well. He then told me, that the person owning the K2DMD came to him three months after the flood, with the K2DMD and wanting him to get it repaired... while all the time it had been stored with water inside. He has a Vivitar S1 zoom which still has water inside the optics, there is about two cups of water sloshing happilly inside, even after so much time. It's a great pity because if restored immediately, the camera could have been saved, maybe. Now, after so much time in water, it's a wreck (there are sadder parts to this story, as anybody who has been flooded knows. It's nothing wonderful). There is also a brighter (although cynical) side to this story: with the demise of this K2DMD, all our working nice K2DMDs just got somewhat rarer and more pricey... That truely is a sad story.
Konica S3
And if you like the Canonets, I'd also recommend the Konica Auto S3. It's so tiny, but with a wonderful lens- and it happily accepts an alkaline battery for the meter. Ryan, I tried to buy an S3 before acquiring the Canonet. But they're considerably thinner on the ground, and quite a bit more expensive when you do find them. I've heard nothing but good things about them, though. --Mike
Re: January PUG is open
The pictures are really great. Better than ever But I can't really do an evaluation because I can't find my Junior School 'Geometry Set.' But as soon as I can lay my hands on a pair of dividers and a rule I'll get down to it. Happy New Year everyone! Don Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002
Wolfgang Most Art
Mike, You need to listen to Mozart's music. Nothing is more pure! Bob Mozart may be pure, but music is no more pure mathematics than architecture is pure dancing.* I don't know all of Mozart and I'm no expert, but I've at least heard most of the major works. I own the string quartets, all of the piano concertos in both fortepiano and modern versions, most of the serenades, Uchida's and Prof. Badura-Skoda's versions of the sonatas (a nice contrast), all of the later symphonies and selected earlier ones, sometimes in multiple versions, a wide sampling of chamber music, and a smattering of the older great performances like Bruno Walter, Wili Boskovsky etc. --Mike *identify that reference g.
Digital backs for 645
Is there anything about digital backs for the 645? The one for the Mamiya has been announced and may be out (I'm not sure) and Pentax are working on one I'm sure. It's just a matter of time. The Mamiya will cost around $10,000 I'm told. --Mike
RE: Konica S3
Ah :) Suprisingly my first real camera (post Kodak Instamatic) was a rangefinder. The camera was the Konica Auto S3. I got it about 20 years ago for my birthday - all my other friends had SLR's of one type or another but my dad thought it would be a good idea to have some auto features on the camera. My dad still has it; including box, instructions and case. To the best of my knowledge, it's still working - I think I'll throw some film into it and give it a go. Small like the Canonet but not as well known. Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:15:06 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Konica S3 And if you like the Canonets, I'd also recommend the Konica Auto S3. It's so tiny, but with a wonderful lens- and it happily accepts an alkaline battery for the meter. Ryan, I tried to buy an S3 before acquiring the Canonet. But they're considerably thinner on the ground, and quite a bit more expensive when you do find them. I've heard nothing but good things about them, though. --Mike mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Oh, puh-leez
Yea there's lots of dopy crap in basic photography books, Authors used to be paid by the word, maybe they still do, I don't know it's been a long time since I tried to sell anything. But hidden in those books are good basic concepts that have been used for centuries. If you don't learn the basics you don't even know why you should despise them, or when you should use them for that matter, or if they even exist. At 12:01 AM 12/31/2002 -0600, you wrote: The mere fact that your instructors didn't see fit to give you a good education, or didn't know the difference doesn't make them or you right. You said you had never heard about the rule of thirds well it's in just about every basic photography or art book I've ever read. You mean along with the rest of the dopey crap in basic photography books. --Mike, off to make impressionism by photographing through the shower door g Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Konica S3
Mike Johnston wrote: And if you like the Canonets, I'd also recommend the Konica Auto S3. It's so tiny, but with a wonderful lens- and it happily accepts an alkaline battery for the meter. Ryan, I tried to buy an S3 before acquiring the Canonet. But they're considerably thinner on the ground, and quite a bit more expensive when you do find them. I've heard nothing but good things about them, though. I've got both, and tend to take the S3 to more candid situations that I'd never take the Canonet. You can bring it up to your eye, quickly focus and shoot w/o interrupting a social situation. Also, the Exposure Lock feature makes it easy to use the meter in oddly lit situations (if that's your cup of tea). As you point out, this little guy seems to be gaining in popularity as it's ebay price of late suggests. -R --Mike
Happy new year!
Subj. to everyone here!
Funny threads
Yeah, I know, but I was on a roll. All of these threads have gotten funny, since we have cheerfully taken on some of the most difficult problems in philosophy. If we don't get a DSLR rumor soon, we might solve some of them . . . ;-) Heh! We haven't tackled the mind-body duality or life after death yet, but give us time and a vacuum of Pentax news... --Mike
Re: Digital backs for 645
I believe that only digital back for Mamiya that has been released is the Megavison S3, 6mp 13,000 dollars. Seems a little pricey. An 11mp back from Leaf America is supposedly on its way to market. Evan From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Digital backs for 645 Is there anything about digital backs for the 645? The one for the Mamiya has been announced and may be out (I'm not sure) and Pentax are working on one I'm sure. It's just a matter of time. The Mamiya will cost around $10,000 I'm told. --Mike
Re: Wolfgang Most Art
I believe that the full quote is: Writing about music is like dancing about architecture. To my recollection, it has been attributed to many, including Elvis Costello, Laurie Anderson, Zappa, Steve Martin, but the origins are somewhat murky. Is there a prize for this? (assuming I'm at least partially correct?) vbg -frank Mike Johnston wrote: snipMozart may be pure, but music is no more pure mathematics than architecture is pure dancing.* snip *identify that reference g. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Funny threads
Hell, that's easy. There is no mind-body duality. There is no life after death. Next subjects... vbg -frank Mike Johnston wrote: Heh! We haven't tackled the mind-body duality or life after death yet, but give us time and a vacuum of Pentax news... --Mike -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: De Gustibus
That wasn't your point, your point was that you had never heard of it or were told about it or were taught it. Apparently art schools are teaching a trade, they teach you how to paint and clean brushes how to weld, how to stretch canvas, how to develop film and print, they don't show you what others have done in the past and how they accomplished it, which is just as important or more so. By the way I'm sorry to disabuse you but, it, the Rule of Thirds, along with the ways to achieve perspective, was covered in drawing class in High School, at least the one I went to. The fact that no rules of composition are taught explains a lot about current art, and the destain with which it is held by the general population. I guess I'm just old. I see too much crap in my profession from people who should have been taught the basics and should no better. Art is no different. At least I'm not trying to sell mine. At 09:55 PM 12/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 12/31/2002 6:37:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The mere fact that your instructors didn't see fit to give you a good education, or didn't know the difference doesn't make them or you right. You said you had never heard about the rule of thirds well it's in just about every basic photography or art book I've ever read. That's what I find Ironic. Which was exactly my point. The rule of thirds is mentioned in PHOTOGRAPHY books. Not how-to-draw art books (get a hold of some and see). (BTW - I had a perfectly decent art education when I was an art major in college -- involving more than one college in fact). No rules about composition are taught in art classes that I can recall. (I can't recall one.) Because the whole concept that composition can be reduced down to some set of rules, is basically silly. Again, what I stated was the rule of thirds is not some well-known artistic rule that artists are taught. That is pure myth. Later, Doe aka Marnie :-) Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re[2]: De Gustibus
Thank's Bob, much more eloquent than I would have been. At 09:35 AM 12/30/2002 +, you wrote: Hi, Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 2:55:05 AM, you wrote: Which was exactly my point. The rule of thirds is mentioned in PHOTOGRAPHY books. Not how-to-draw art books (get a hold of some and see). (BTW - I had a perfectly decent art education when I was an art major in college -- involving more than one college in fact). No rules about composition are taught in art classes that I can recall. (I can't recall one.) Because the whole concept that composition can be reduced down to some set of rules, is basically silly. Again, what I stated was the rule of thirds is not some well-known artistic rule that artists are taught. That is pure myth. Later, Doe aka Marnie :-) ratios based on pairs in the Fibonacci series increasingly approximate phi, the golden ratio, so dividing the frame by one of the Fibonacci numbers allows you to find the golden section reasonably easy. The rule of thirds is an approximation of the golden section to be used pragmatically because it's easier for photographers in a hurry mentally to divide the frame in 3 (ratio of 1:2) than to divide it into larger numbers such as 5 (2:3), 8 (3:5), 13 (5:8) and so on up Fibonacci series). In general painters, drawers and so on have more time for photographers. This may explain why the rule of thirds per se is not mentioned in basic drawing books. The golden section, however, is often mentioned in such books, and is explored in some detail in many of the design books I have, as well as in guides to understanding, analyzing and appreciating paintings. Just because you weren't taught it, doesn't mean it isn't taught. It's an unfortunate fact that many art colleges no longer teach sketching and drawing, or give life classes, but these disciplines still exist and are still important. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the word 'rule' in this context is not a rule in the same sense as a piece of legislation, or as the laws of physics, but is an observation about existing successful designs, and a heuristic. I suspect that what gets people's goat is the misunderstanding of the word 'rule' and the supposed implication of compulsion. If you ignore the word, and investigate the ideas behind the divine proportion you will find a great deal of value and will probably increase your enjoyment of art and architecture. --- Bob Our heads are round so that our thoughts can fly in any direction Francis Picabia Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: New 67 lens?
4x5 digital backs use four CCD's. The images are then manually tiled on a computer. I wonder if this technology could be transfered to medium format? The real trick would be to get the camera to do the tiling. Happy New Year, Paul Stenquist Frantisek Vlcek wrote: RKB A 6x7 piece of silicon is _always_ going to be VERY expensive and rare. RKB Moore's law does not apply here (nor even in FF 35mm sensors, IMHO)- RKB these chips are just giants. Just to add to what you wrote, Moore's law never applied to silicon chip size. All the chips are about same size the last 20 years or so. Including the newest Pentiums. The only thing it applies to is miniaturisation of the individual transistor elements. ie pixels in CCD/CMOS chips. But you can't miniaturise them indefinitely because noise steps in. So unless the technology reaches entirely new level, bigger chips will always be much more expensive, as you said. Interestingly, the Mars Lander robot used a very old 8bit CPU for its main brain, because, although physically same size as Pentiums, its transistors were much larger (because there were so few of them compared to modern CPUs). They used a slow chip because of cosmic rays, which didn't have much impact if they hit a large area transistor, but which could do much more errors if hitting smaller transistors. It's the same principe why small pixel CCDs are so noisy. Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek
Re: PUG down?
Thanks Keith, I'm back up now, perhaps it was a caching problem or something. Who knows what gremlins lurk in the internet. Keith Whaley wrote: I have a Mac, and Netscape, Paul, and liked your photo! g No problems of access for me. That was about 5 AM this morning (Tuesday.) keith whaley Paul Stenquist wrote: Connections fine. I can access every other site I have bookmarked. Still no PUG with either Internet Explorer or Netscape. I've never had trouble accessing it before. Have any othe Mac/cable modem users been able to get on? Paul Adelheid v. K. wrote: As far as I can see it is up. Please check your connection. Cheers Adelheid PUG Maintainer -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 16:20 To: Pentax Discuss Subject: PUG down? I notice that Evan was able to access the PUG earlier. But I've been trying for a couple of hours and can't get to the server. Is it down? Paul Stenquist
Re: Numbers and the Golden Section
It might fog part of one frame, it would probably be recorded as a point source. Unless the rules of optics in particular and physics in general have been re-written recently, and I didn't get the memo, I'd just laugh at him. At 03:39 AM 12/31/2002 +0100, you wrote: At 13:50 2002-12-30 +0200, Dr E D F Williams wrote: In some parts of the world, we have recently been told, the act of taking a photograph of a person (with a Pentax camera?) removes a part of his or her 'soul'. One must assume, using the same logic, that this 'part' is somehow incorporated into the photographic image. Interestingly enough I just recently tried to take a picture (alas with a Leica IIIf, not a Pentax) of a rather arrogant and intense young nethead, brandishing a green laser the size of a fountain pen of which on (apparently) one gazes into twice. He claimed that by aiming the laser through my lens during exposure it would black out not only the current frame, but the whole film - the plastic backing supposedly acting as a fibre optic conductor - a statement I didn't feel inclined to verify experimentally. However, whatever the validity of his claim I'm confident any part of my images (soulful or otherwise) would not be incorporated into the laser, in which case using the above logic clearly is a false assumption, and about as meaningful as Lars Ulrich trying to explain how mp3 players are stealing his intellectual property. However we should not try to read too much into the phrasing here. Current taboos against photographing people are mostly drawn from Islamic practice (not the Koran), where early theologians feared it could promote idolatry (man being created in the image of God, c). How this was explained in lay terms is difficult to foresee. Being depicted speeding on the highway by a camera box would deprive me of a significant bit of soulfulness also. __ Geir Aalberg http://www.aalberg.com/ http://www.fandom.no/ Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Numbers and the Golden Section
Web wizard, or so he thinks, they think they're wired and to them that's all that counts. At 10:32 PM 12/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: Hi, Geir, What's a nethead? I don't think we have them here in Toronto. Or if we do, I'm not hip enough to know what or who they are g. Just curious... thanks, frank Geir Aalberg wrote: Interestingly enough I just recently tried to take a picture (alas with a Leica IIIf, not a Pentax) of a rather arrogant and intense young nethead, snip -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Numbers and the Golden Section
So long and thanks for the fish. At 08:08 AM 12/31/2002 -0500, you wrote: No, silly, 42 is the answer! T Rittenhouse wrote: 12 is the answer. Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: MX Mirror Bumper
You may find little black specks accumulating inside the mirror box and on your mirror and penta prism. I suppose that mirror slap may cause more shake (guess). Possible light leak past mirror during exposure? Regards, Bob Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin From: Steve Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Need some repair advice. I have a new/old MX, but the mirror bumper is well worn. First of all, is this an easy thing for me to replace, or should I have it done by a professional/camera repair store? Second, if I leave it the way it is, what is the worst thing that could happen to the camera?
Luck is what it's about
IMNHO, this shot was as much luck as skill. At the instant the photographer decided to press the shutter release, this soldier would have been still on his feet. It was just a coincidence that he happened to get shot when the shutter opened. AND? You mean to say you've never been the beneficiary of luck when photographing?!? You're the first one in the history of the medium then. --Mike
67II/auto prism fill flash help
So, after practicing some daylight fill flash indoors at -1.5 or so, I thought I had it down. But low and behold, go outside with a loaded camera and it only fired the flash about 50% of the time. Any tips? Does the meter reading cause the flash to NOT fire when overexposed? I think I eliminated all the obvious connection, flash not charged, idiot problems- but I may be wrong. -R
Re: Wolfgang Most Art
Mike Johnston wrote: Mike, You need to listen to Mozart's music. Nothing is more pure! Bob Mozart may be pure, but music is no more pure mathematics than architecture is pure dancing.* snipped --Mike *identify that reference g. Easy, Mike... Havelock Ellis The Dance of Life Chapter 2: The art of dancing stands at the source of all the arts that express themselves first in the human person. The art of building, or architecture, is the beginniing of all the arts that lie outside the person; and in the end they unite. Keith Whaley Infrequent dancer but one time architectual designer ;^)
Blowup
I am always glad we have Antonioni. Even though the Blow-up is not so much about photography as about the world, it's one of my most favourite films. Frantisek, I've never seen it. I must rectify that some day --Mike
Re: Pish-posh and balderdash
If anyone in my hearing right now is troubling their brains about some species of nattering nonsense they read in some dreadful little all-about-photography book somewhere, please take my advice: FORGET ALL ABOUT IT. You can't reduce pictures meaningfully to rules of thumb, either before or after the fact. --Mike Yeah guys, pay attention to what Mike says. Use of a little common sense will usually produce better photos than a lot of book sense. IOW, go take the damned picture to suit you and don't worry about what some writer says (Sorry , Mike) Bill
Re: Luck is what it's about
IMNHO, this shot was as much luck as skill. At the instant the photographer decided to press the shutter release, this soldier would have been still on his feet. It was just a coincidence that he happened to get shot when the shutter opened. AND? You mean to say you've never been the beneficiary of luck when photographing?!? You're the first one in the history of the medium then. --Mike Anytime I get a good shot, it's mostly luck :-) Bill
Re: Wolfgang Most Art
Comments at end... Keith Whaley wrote: Mike Johnston wrote: Mike, You need to listen to Mozart's music. Nothing is more pure! Bob Mozart may be pure, but music is no more pure mathematics than architecture is pure dancing.* snipped --Mike *identify that reference g. Easy, Mike... Havelock Ellis The Dance of Life Chapter 2: The art of dancing stands at the source of all the arts that express themselves first in the human person. The art of building, or architecture, is the beginniing of all the arts that lie outside the person; and in the end they unite. Keith Whaley Infrequent dancer but one time architectual designer ;^) And obviously earlier than F. Zappa! ;^) Ooops! keith
Frank wins...uh, maybe
I believe that the full quote is: Writing about music is like dancing about architecture. To my recollection, it has been attributed to many, including Elvis Costello, Laurie Anderson, Zappa, Steve Martin, but the origins are somewhat murky. Is there a prize for this? (assuming I'm at least partially correct?) vbg It was Laurie Andersen, and you've got the quote correct. Congratulations, you have won the GRAND PRIZE, a FREE Pentax Spotmatic ESIII due to be released next year!!! --Mike P.S. As we know, however, introductions of this sort are subject to delay...
Re: MX Mirror Bumper
Bob: Thanks for you help. At this point, it does not appear that any of those things are happening. So, can I leave it alone, and save myself some $? I was also giving some thought to purchasing one of those seal kits on eBay. I was wondering if anyone else out there has replaced the mirror bumper on an MX, and just how easy or difficult the job is? Thanks again. --- Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may find little black specks accumulating inside the mirror box and on your mirror and penta prism. I suppose that mirror slap may cause more shake (guess). Possible light leak past mirror during exposure? Regards, Bob Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin From: Steve Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Need some repair advice. I have a new/old MX, but the mirror bumper is well worn. First of all, is this an easy thing for me to replace, or should I have it done by a professional/camera repair store? Second, if I leave it the way it is, what is the worst thing that could happen to the camera? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: Golden Pentax DSLR Geometry Pro Film Civilisation in 2003
Cotty wrote: Catchy subject line, eh? Just adding my voice to the chorus. Here's wishing you a prosperous New Year, wherever and whoever you are. party hat on Cotty I'll join you with Boddington's (or two) early on, and later a Connemara (or two) ~ wink... An' a tip of me 'at to ya, lad! keith whaley
Re: Wolfgang Most Art
Well, it still aint true. Hardly any artistic expression is more about matematics than music. Rhytm is pure matematics and composition is all about rules. Pål, Again, we will just have to agree to disagree, my friend, because we are simply 180 degrees apart on this issue as well. There are mathematical aspects to music, of course, in terms of tuning and timing. But composition all about rules? No, no, no. And there are many aspects of music that are far more important to it than any aspect of it that can be described mathematically. Expression, emotion, association, inspiration, intention, inflection, feeling. --Mike
Pentax-wielding bike messenger
Hell, that's easy. There is no mind-body duality. There is no life after death. Next subjects... vbg Thanks. Sometimes it takes a Pentax-wielding bike messenger to cut through all the crap! --Mike
Re: Digital backs for 645
I didn't know the Pentax 645s had interchangable backs. Have I overlooked something here, or has everybody else? Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Digital backs for 645 Is there anything about digital backs for the 645? The one for the Mamiya has been announced and may be out (I'm not sure) and Pentax are working on one I'm sure. It's just a matter of time. The Mamiya will cost around $10,000 I'm told. --Mike
Re: Konica S3
I have a couple of Minolta 7sII's, and these meter fine with 1.5 v batteries. They are the same size as the Konicas. The shutter has a lighter spring than the Canons so they are a bit easier to hand hold at very low shutter speeds. The viewfinder is not nearly as good as the Canon though. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to buy an S3 before acquiring the Canonet. But they're considerably thinner on the ground, and quite a bit more expensive when you do find them. I've heard nothing but good things about them, though. --Mike
Re: Frank wins...uh, maybe
I would be careful Mike, with all these nostalgic cameras coming out you could find yourself owing Frank a expensive camera in 2003. g Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Frank wins...uh, maybe I believe that the full quote is: Writing about music is like dancing about architecture. To my recollection, it has been attributed to many, including Elvis Costello, Laurie Anderson, Zappa, Steve Martin, but the origins are somewhat murky. Is there a prize for this? (assuming I'm at least partially correct?) vbg It was Laurie Andersen, and you've got the quote correct. Congratulations, you have won the GRAND PRIZE, a FREE Pentax Spotmatic ESIII due to be released next year!!! --Mike P.S. As we know, however, introductions of this sort are subject to delay...
Re: Luck is what it's about
Geez, Bill, That sounds like a comment I'd make! Surely there's only room for one self-deprecating slob on this list. vbg However, your little joke (much like yesterday's Kelvinator Kwote) sets me off on a tangent. The first thing is, taking a good shot is lucky, but it's not. I'm not sure what dying soldier we're referring to in this thread, but my guess is that it's likely Capa's Death of a Loyalist Soldier - but that doesn't matter. How much of what we photograph (especially, but not always, action shots) is ~anticipation~? How many of us have been taking photos for years or decades? Surely we use that experience to try to anticipate what's going to happen a split second after we depress the shutter release. Does it always work? Obviously not. But I'd wager that it works more often for the experienced than the tyro. Could Capa have known that the soldier he was aiming his camera at was about to be shot? Probably not, but on some gut level, who knows what Capa felt or anticipated. (I'll ignore the fact that maybe we're ~not~ talking about that photo - I am! I'll also not speculate on whether the shot was real or a staged fake) It may feel like luck, and sometimes it may be, but I'd like to think that most good photographers make their luck, by knowing where to be, by knowing where to point their camera, and by ~feeling~ when to press the button. The last comment comes thanks to a list member who has (off-list) exhorted me to stop berating my abilities - something I tend to do when I'm among people whose talents I'm in awe of (ie: many on this list!). So, my New Years resolution is to repeat the mantra: I'm a good photographer, I'm a good person, and ~people like me~! - until I actually believe it. vbg cheers, frank Bill Owens wrote: Anytime I get a good shot, it's mostly luck :-) Bill -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Funny threads
And Frank knows, he's been there and came back, so listen to him grin Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Funny threads Hell, that's easy. There is no mind-body duality. There is no life after death. Next subjects... vbg -frank Mike Johnston wrote: Heh! We haven't tackled the mind-body duality or life after death yet, but give us time and a vacuum of Pentax news... --Mike -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: De Gustibus
That wasn't your point, your point was that you had never heard of it or were told about it or were taught it. Apparently art schools are teaching a trade, they teach you how to paint and clean brushes how to weld, how to stretch canvas, how to develop film and print, they don't show you what others have done in the past and how they accomplished it, which is just as important or more so. Peter, On behalf of all art school graduates present and not, I resent this. How do you know anything about the quality of my art school education? Did you attend yourself? Have you studied art school curricula or observed classes? Are you up on current didactic methodologies and educational strategies? And would you care to match your knowledge of what others have done in the past in the field of photography against mine? I have a nice little photography quiz I've developed for hotshots like you, so be careful how you answer this. I'll warrant that I was prepared as well for my field as well as you were prepared for yours. There is a lot that can be criticized in education in every field, and certain fields, like art, lend themselves less well to formal education than certain others. But that's no excuse to dismiss the whole endeavor and insult those who undertook it. Of course, in your next paragraph, you also dismiss most of the art of the past century, so I guess I see where you're coming from. g --Mike
Re: Frank wins...uh, maybe
C'mon, Mike, You know darned well that there's no ESIII. We'd have heard about it from Pal! vbg But, if one is ever released, you'll hear from me! ciao, frank (saving a hard copy of Mike's post to send to my lawyer, just in case...) Mike Johnston wrote: It was Laurie Andersen, and you've got the quote correct. Congratulations, you have won the GRAND PRIZE, a FREE Pentax Spotmatic ESIII due to be released next year!!! --Mike P.S. As we know, however, introductions of this sort are subject to delay... -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Wolfgang Most Art
As an amateur musician who has played both, Mozart is high school algebra, Bach is college calculus. I'd still rather listen to and play Mozart. You are a man of many talents, Bill. --Mike
Re: Funny threads
Hey, Tom, I've been to lots of places I won't admit to. I remember one weekend in Chicago, about 25 years ago... vbg -frank T Rittenhouse wrote: And Frank knows, he's been there and came back, so listen to him grin -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Numbers and the Golden Section
And thank you for the new earth. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 2:17 AM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section So long and thanks for the fish. At 08:08 AM 12/31/2002 -0500, you wrote: No, silly, 42 is the answer! T Rittenhouse wrote: 12 is the answer. Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Wolfgang Most Art
Well, it still aint true. Hardly any artistic expression is more about matematics than music. Rhytm is pure matematics and composition is all about rules. Pål, Again, we will just have to agree to disagree, my friend, because we are simply 180 degrees apart on this issue as well. There are mathematical aspects to music, of course, in terms of tuning and timing. But composition all about rules? No, no, no. And there are many aspects of music that are far more important to it than any aspect of it that can be described mathematically. Expression, emotion, association, inspiration, intention, inflection, feeling. --Mike Good point Mike! Music played mechanically, without the proper emotion is just a bunch of notes. How would you explain mathematically the difference between pianissimo and fortissimo? Bill
Re: W32.Yaha.K@mm Worm
Thanks David. I'm up to snuff with Norton so hopefully:) Happy New Year. Dave Begin Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:13:30 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: W32.Yaha.K@mm Worm Folks, Please verify that your AntiVirus definitions are up to date. I've recently (i.e. today) gotten 3 emails containing this virus - Norton covers it off fine so I'm protected - but I'm sure that everyone isn't in the same position. The virus info can be found here: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.yaha.k@mm .html Keeping you informed, Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Pentax-wielding bike messenger
Don't let Frank foolyou. He's only posing as a bike messenger. The man has a history. Paul Mike Johnston wrote: Hell, that's easy. There is no mind-body duality. There is no life after death. Next subjects... vbg Thanks. Sometimes it takes a Pentax-wielding bike messenger to cut through all the crap! --Mike
Re: Pish-posh and balderdash
I don't know about that. I'm convinced that some folks start photography with an innate sense of composition. Whether they were born with it or developed it via some other conduit which they have long forgotten, I don't know. From your posts, I suspect you are one of these blessed people. The rest of us mortals, however, need help. Perhaps it would be more palatable if we called them starting suggestions instead of rules? Since I am not a great musician, nor am I a golfer or a poet, and since such examples are given, I feel free to use as an example something I am a master at, high power shooting. There are rules: proper stance or position, proper orientation, proper clothing, proper gun handling and placement, proper use of the sling, sight picture, breathing - even timing for heartbeat, trigger control, considerations for (doping) the wind and for the best, mind control (some call it chi). I was worse than mediocre until I started using the tools. Each one can produce a serious increase in score. I am no longer conscious of using most of the rules (some of which I've had to modify - for me). After years of practice, they've become pretty much a second nature. Damn good thing to. If I had to bring all of them to mind with every shot, I'd probably never finish in time and for sure I'd slack off on one while I concentrated on another. Frankly, it's like learning to drive a manual shift car. At first you consciously try to apply the rules correctly (push in clutch, pull out of gear to neutral, place in next gear, don't bang it, let the synchronizers work, let up the clutch until it catches, give some gas - not too much, not too little, don't let it slip it to much or the clutch will wear unnecessarily, thank god I got to second gear! Now for third! Well I don't think about any of that any more. I'm still applying the rules, but unconsciously and, of course, much more smoothly. Sometimes I have to deviate. Sometimes there's no time to wait for the synchronizers. The point is that you're right. Great golfers no longer think about the angle of their shin-bone or whatever, they just do it. Nevertheless you can bet your sweet ass that Tiger Woods learned the rules somewhere along the line, modified them to suit himself and made them second nature. Regards, Bob Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's not to say you can't and should not break the rules. The rules are a starting point and that's all. But, like I said earlier, you need to know the rules before you break them with any intelligience. The best pictures are the ones that break the rules because they add tension to the image. THERE...ARE...NO...RULES. Full stop. But, don't kid yourself, those photographers who create these magnificent rule-breaking images on a regular basis are quite aware that they are breaking the rules. Oh, pish-posh and balderdash. Great photographers no more think about rules of composition than great composers think about their childhood finger-exercises or great golfers think about the angle of their shin-bone. How many great poets do you think can diagram a sentence? If anyone in my hearing right now is troubling their brains about some species of nattering nonsense they read in some dreadful little all-about-photography book somewhere, please take my advice: FORGET ALL ABOUT IT. You can't reduce pictures meaningfully to rules of thumb, either before or after the fact.
Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section
Say isn't that the guy who wrote the book on thermodynamics, figured out what the temperature of absolute zero is, developed some rather esoteric mathematics and other unimportant things like that? It is good you guys remember him for doing away with the old icebox. Of course to keep this on topic we can talk about what he has to do with color tempurature, must be something as his name is associated with that. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: Re: OT: Numbers and the Golden Section Personally, I have an old quote hanging in my office from Lord Kelvin. You know, the guy who invented the Kelvinator, the early models of the home refrigerator. Did these refrigerators keep your food at absolute zero? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: Tripod recommendations please
I like the first version better. g Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: Re: OT: Tripod recommendations please I suppose we're all allowed a gaff or two but I have to say that on this performance, I wouldn't be using them again. Naturally I didn't tell Nice Chap that - I'm british for drying out loud. I whinge in silence and lagter beat up a VHS player. True. Spellchecking and proofreading is everything: I suppose we're all allowed a gaff or two but I have to say that on this performance, I wouldn't be using them again. Naturally I didn't tell Nice Chap that - I'm british for crying out loud. I whinge in silence and later beat up a VHS player. True. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Pentax-wielding bike messenger
Sorry, Mike, I always carry my cheap little Minolta HiMatic F in my courier bag. Paid $12 for it, so I won't mind if it breaks. I'd hate for anything to happen to my Pentaxes, should I hit the ground (which I don't think I've done for over a year now, touch wood!). -frank Mike Johnston wrote: Thanks. Sometimes it takes a Pentax-wielding bike messenger to cut through all the crap! --Mike -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Golden Pentax DSLR Geometry Pro Film Civilisation in 2003
THAT got my attention :) And a happy New Year to you AND all the list members. Its been almost 2 years now since i have subscribed to this list and at least once a month if not more,i have learned something of value.I truly believe my abilities have grown since March 2001,and thanks for putting up with,what i'm sure are, luney questions from time to time. Thanks all,and may all your shutters be tuned. Dave Begin Original Message From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:08:24 + To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Golden Pentax DSLR Geometry Pro Film Civilisation in 2003 Catchy subject line, eh? Just adding my voice to the chorus. Here's wishing you a prosperous New Year, wherever and whoever you are. party hat on Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Wolfgang Most Art
Bill Owens wrote; Good point Mike! Music played mechanically, without the proper emotion is just a bunch of notes. How would you explain mathematically the difference between pianissimo and fortissimo? We're confusing the composition and the performance. No matter how artful, the music itself is a mathematical progression. The performer brings emotion to it. Of course the difference between pianissimo and fortissimo can be explained mathematically. But it can be interpreted in a variety of ways by different musicians. Paul Stenquist
scanner choice
Well it's time to get a film scanner since it should save me lots vs photo cds, just debating on weather to get a flatbed with adaptor like the epson 2400 or a dedicated film scanner ( at x2 the cost ), only need to go up to 11x14 . __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Funny threads
frank theriault wrote: Hey, Tom, I've been to lots of places I won't admit to. I remember one weekend in Chicago, about 25 years ago... vbg Was that YOU, Frank!? Ohhh no, it couldn't have been. Mine was 52 years ago. Back then we DID have 'weekends' believe it or not! g keith -frank T Rittenhouse wrote: And Frank knows, he's been there and came back, so listen to him grin
Re: Digital backs for 645
This one time, at band camp, Evan Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that only digital back for Mamiya that has been released is the Megavison S3, 6mp 13,000 dollars. Seems a little pricey. An 11mp back from Leaf America is supposedly on its way to market. What would be the benifit of a 11mp back for a 645 over a Digital 35mm? Especially if the 35mm is 14mp. Other than the ability of 645 owners to keep thier body. Kind regards Kevin -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: Golden Pentax DSLR Geometry Pro Film Civilisation in 2003
David Brooks wrote: THAT got my attention :) And a happy New Year to you AND all the list members. Its been almost 2 years now since i have subscribed to this list and at least once a month if not more,i have learned something of value.I truly believe my abilities have grown since March 2001,and thanks for putting up with,what i'm sure are, luney questions from time to time. True, but you never DID get your space bar or shift key repaired, did you? g Have a happy holiday week, David. keith whaley Thanks all,and may all your shutters be tuned. Dave Begin Original Message From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:08:24 + To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Golden Pentax DSLR Geometry Pro Film Civilisation in 2003 Catchy subject line, eh? Just adding my voice to the chorus. Here's wishing you a prosperous New Year, wherever and whoever you are. party hat on Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Pish-posh and balderdash
Seems reasonable to me. Follows every other skilled endeavor of mankind that I know. If this were not true, all that need or should be taught in photography classes is the mechanics and the chemistry. Regards, Bob Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many years ago, someone told me that brown belts make better karate instructors than black belts because the brown belts still remember and can still describe what they do. For the black belts, on the other hand, the techniques have become instinctive, and the beginners' details now seem hard to explain, since they've been absorbed into muscle memory. The black belts see the bigger picture, the goal of winning the bout, and don't need to think consciously about their stance, etc. In the same way, experienced, skilled, photographers know what looks right, and don't need to think about beginners' guidelines anymore. Does anyone else see it this way?
A happy new Year.
Happy New Year! I hope that each and everyone of you in 2003, will take a photograph that will bring back the pleasure and memories of when you saw your first developed film. Good luck! Malcolm
Re[2]: Wolfgang Most Art
Hi, Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 10:26:27 PM, you wrote: And that is the problem with African music, the rhythm does not fit into a familiar mathematical pattern. African music? Africa's a very big and very varied continent, with a very long and varied history. The words 'African music' are really not very specific. --- Bob Our heads are round so that our thoughts can fly in any direction Francis Picabia
Re: Strange FA*200 problem, or not a problem?
Thanks everyone for your help. You guys are great! I have checked with another FA*200 and mine is indeed faulty. Thx again!! :) regards, Alan Chan _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: PUG down?
Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks Keith, I'm back up now, perhaps it was a caching problem or something. Who knows what gremlins lurk in the internet. Um sort of a case of cache me if you can ??? annsan ducks...
Re: MX Mirror Bumper
Thanks for you help. At this point, it does not appear that any of those things are happening. So, can I leave it alone, and save myself some $? If you mean the form, replace it while you can. By the time it was broken into pieces, you might have a tough time to clean them off the camera. I was also giving some thought to purchasing one of those seal kits on eBay. I was wondering if anyone else out there has replaced the mirror bumper on an MX, and just how easy or difficult the job is? If you mean the form near the screen, mine was replace with... well... the light seal for the P50 back. It was a rectangular form and I just cut 2 pieces which works well. It should also be a lot cheaper than buying a form kit. You might contact Pentax service department and see if they have the form for P50 back (not exactly demanding so they should have). Mind you that you don't need the exact shape of the original form, something like the Z-1p will do (but remember don't block the screen tip). The form also come with self-adhesive. To do the job, you need a rigid tweezer. regards, Alan Chan _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: MX Mirror Bumper
Btw, the form should be 3mm thick. regards, Alan Chan _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Pish-posh and balderdash
Finger exercises are for developing good technique so that your fingers will do what you want them to do. It doesn't give you any musical/artistic sense, but it will enable you to make good music. Exercises, in general, are for developing conditioned reflexes. For photography it also helps to practice seeing. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somewhere down the line somebody analysed piano-playing, or violin-playing or whatever, and developed the finger exercises that musicians spent so many tedious hours working on to the extent that they can forget them.
Re: Luck is what it's about
Hi Frank, On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:06:49 -0500, frank theriault wrote: [...] like to think that most good photographers make their luck [...] Someone once said something like Luck is the residue of good planning. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Pish-posh and balderdash
Finger exercises are for developing good technique so that your fingers will do what you want them to do. It doesn't give you any musical/artistic sense, but it will enable you to make good music. Not. It will enable you to play the right notes, but the right notes don't necessarily mean good music. Bill
Re: scanner choice
Hi Brendan, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 09:07:22 +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: If you are looking for a 35mm neg/slide/aps scanner then the Canon FS4000 is a good choice. I have had nothing but good results with this and the my Epson 1290 printer. I'll second Kevin's recommendation for the Canon FS4000. I've been very happy with the results from mine. If my experience is any guide, though, you're just going to have to live with certain types of scanning artifacts at 4000 dpi. Dropping to 2000 dpi gets rid of most of them. The software at http://www.neatimage.com/ can take care of most of the rest. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Wolfgang Most Art
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your welcome to be first person who has ever composed music wthout adhering to any rules whatsoever and get anyone to listen to it. second. John Cage. Herb...
Re: Wolfgang Most Art
This one time, at band camp, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your welcome to be first person who has ever composed music wthout adhering to any rules whatsoever and get anyone to listen to it. Have you not listened to Kylie Minogue? ;) Kevin -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
