RE: Truncated links (was Re: eBay Listings)

[Shaun Canning]

Thanks Anders...

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 
6714

0414-967644
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.heritageservices.com.au


-Original Message-
From: Anders Hultman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Truncated links (was Re: eBay Listings)

Shaun Canning:

>Check out the auctions at:
>
>http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=scan
n
>i01&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
>
>Sorry if the link truncatees. I can't set my page width any higher.

A handy tip is to place long links between < and > marks. Several 
e-mail programs then will recognize that it's one continuing URL even 
if it's broken over two or more lines.

Compare this:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=scann
i01&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50



Note that there is a line break at the end of line one in both cases.

You could even do like this:



anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!

RE: Truncated links (was Re: eBay Listings)

[Shaun Canning]

Thanks, I'll have a look.

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 
6714

0414-967644
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.heritageservices.com.au


-Original Message-
From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Truncated links (was Re: eBay Listings)

there is a web site called tinyurl.com that converts long links
into little ones, havent tried it but I have seen and used the
tinyurl redirection links.

JCO



   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com



-Original Message-
From: Anders Hultman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Truncated links (was Re: eBay Listings)


Shaun Canning:

>Check out the auctions at:
>
>http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=scan
n
>i01&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
>
>Sorry if the link truncatees. I can't set my page width any higher.

A handy tip is to place long links between < and > marks. Several
e-mail programs then will recognize that it's one continuing URL even
if it's broken over two or more lines.

Compare this:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=scann
i01&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50



Note that there is a line break at the end of line one in both cases.

You could even do like this:



anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!

Re: June 3rd PDML Meeting

[Bob W]

Hi,

Saturday, May 22, 2004, 6:01:55 AM, Butch wrote:

> Woburn, Mass. is it?  Safari park?  Lions?  Ain't the Woburn I usta know...

> I once had a fiancé there...  sighhh.

> keith whaley


> Where did they put it? The old Pleasure Island site?

Bedfordshire, England.
http://www.woburnsafari.co.uk/

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

RE: Truncated links (was Re: eBay Listings)

[J. C. O'Connell]

there is a web site called tinyurl.com that converts long links
into little ones, havent tried it but I have seen and used the
tinyurl redirection links.

JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


-Original Message-
From: Anders Hultman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Truncated links (was Re: eBay Listings)


Shaun Canning:

>Check out the auctions at:
>
>http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=scann
>i01&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
>
>Sorry if the link truncatees. I can't set my page width any higher.

A handy tip is to place long links between < and > marks. Several
e-mail programs then will recognize that it's one continuing URL even
if it's broken over two or more lines.

Compare this:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=scann
i01&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50



Note that there is a line break at the end of line one in both cases.

You could even do like this:



anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!

Truncated links (was Re: eBay Listings)

[Anders Hultman]

Shaun Canning:
Check out the auctions at:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=scann
i01&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
Sorry if the link truncatees. I can't set my page width any higher.
A handy tip is to place long links between < and > marks. Several 
e-mail programs then will recognize that it's one continuing URL even 
if it's broken over two or more lines.

Compare this:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=scann
i01&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Note that there is a line break at the end of line one in both cases.
You could even do like this:

anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!

RE: OT - Postmaster

[Malcolm Smith]

Tom wrote:

> After dragging most of this crap to my apartment -
> 
> http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/crap.jpg
> 
> My mailman has made an executive decision -
> 
> http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/mayer.jpg
> 
> Yes, Tanya has sent me so much junk that the mailman believes 
> she lives here. 

In fact the situation has now escalated, so that the mailman has imported
this in from Australia to cope with the volume of mail:

www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/Scammell/Contractor.html

Malcolm

RE: She's Her Father's Daughter

[Malcolm Smith]

frank theriault wrote:

> She is interested in photography.  I should buy a roll of 
> cheapy pre-paid processing film, and let her fool around with 
> one of my Spotties for a while.  I think at 11 she's old 
> enough.  She's actually not bad with disposable cameras, so I 
> should let her try a "real" camera.  Those things are pretty 
> bomb-proof, and when she handles my cameras (she loves 
> looking through them!) she's very careful.  She's always 
> asking me questions about how they work, and I've given her a 
> crash course on shutter speed and apertures and stuff.  This 
> might be a great time to get her going!
> 
> Good idea you gave me.  Thanks!
> 
> And, I'm glad you liked the pic.  With a subject as cute as 
> Claire, how can one miss?  

Fantastic! My eldest (9) picks up a camera from time to time. I have showed
him the basics of how it works and some while back he was encouraged enough
to get a book out of the school library on the subject. I'll answer any
questions I can, but from there on in, what and how he takes photographs of
is down to him; subject matter, composition and style is something for him
to discover for himself, without any pressure or pre-conceived ideas from
me.

Wish Claire success from me!

Malcolm 

eBay Listings

[Shaun Canning]

Dear all, 

Thanks for all the interest that was shown in my recent clear out of
lenses etc. The 80-200mm and 24mm both went almost straight away. The
remainder has now been listed on eBay. I was going to wait until later
in the week, however I will be too busy this week for anything.
Therefore I decided to list early. 

 

Items listed

Tokina 300mm ATX-SD F/2.8 MF

Tokina 28-80mm ATX-PRO F/2.8

Pentax SMC-F 1.7x AF converter


Check out the auctions at:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=scann
i01&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Sorry if the link truncatees. I can't set my page width any higher.

Cheers

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 
6714

0414-967644
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.heritageservices.com.au

Re: June 3rd PDML Meeting

[Butch Black]

Woburn, Mass. is it?  Safari park?  Lions?  Ain't the Woburn I usta know...

I once had a fiancé there...  sighhh.

keith whaley


Where did they put it? The old Pleasure Island site?

Butch

(who grew up in Saugus)

Re: A rare moment...

[David Mann]

On May 22, 2004, at 9:58 AM, Brian Dipert wrote:
...in spite of the blizzard of individual emails that'd land in my 
already
bursting inbox as a result, I actually find myself seriously pondering
switching from the digest version of this list to the regular version, 
just
so I can filter out one particular individual's never-ending tirade.
A threading email program is a good thing.  I try not to ignore 
individuals but its good to be able to skip past entire threads.

Now, if only people would change the subject line when such a thread 
drifts off-off-topic and becomes interesting again :)

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

RE: OT - Postmaster

[Butch Black]

LOL

Of course this now has my favorite Jefferson Airplane song singing in my
head.Their cover of David Crosby's Triad (the one that got him kicked
out of the Byrds)

TV wrote:

After dragging most of this crap to my apartment -

http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/crap.jpg

My mailman has made an executive decision -

http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/mayer.jpg

Yes, Tanya has sent me so much junk that the mailman believes she lives
here.

Dear, could you pick up some cat food on the way home?


Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)

RE: Antonio, Seeing that you have calmed down a little bit

[Winston]

Yefei,

The keyword is "Pentax" or "Photography", if we use those more often, no
sacrifice needed :)

Winston


-Original Message-
From: Yefei He [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 7:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Antonio, Seeing that you have calmed down a little bit

Antonio, 

Seeing that you have calmed down a little bit, could you 
please accept my plea -- please try not to repond to the 
last round of harsh e-mails thrown at you. Bickerings go 
back and forth, and turn into vicious cycles. If one side 
is tolerant enough, the cycle can be broken. Right now it is 
many against you, so it is the most realistic if you could 
just make a sacrifice, take a few hits, and put your mind to 
other things in this world that are far more beautiful, 
perhaps you'll find it is not so unbearable to refrain from 
further bickerings, and maybe all of them will die a silent 
death. If, some of your dueling opponents still keep firing 
ammunication at you, please take a noble stance and bear with 
it. Because, after that person does it three times, many of 
us PDML members will for certain bestow the title "TROLL" 
upon him/her instead. 

Thanks, 

Yefei 

PAW - Legacy

[David Nelson]

Got to witness something that I always think of as quite special - a 
mantid ovipositing (that means laying eggs... and an ootheca is an egg-case)
Like many insects, these things generally exist in the winter only in 
the form of eggs tucked away somewhere safe - at this time of year (it's 
autumn in Oz remember) the adult female is getting cold, her prey is 
scarce, and to ensure the continuation of her species she has to make a 
little foamy ootheca before her death. Come spring, ichneumons 
permitting, out will come a little regiment of baby mantids, at first 
hanging from silk threads, then going out to make their way in the world.
I don't know whether I've managed to express myself well enough, but it 
is something that to me is quite touching.
Needless to say, when I saw this one, I got my camera and took some 
snaps. It's Orthodera ministralis, the Garden Mantid. These things also 
have some pretty spectacular flash/display colouration.

http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/mantid.jpg
As you can see, it's just finishing up the ootheca, and had scarpered 
five minutes later.

*ist D, tamron 90mm/2.5 & 2x TC @ f8, 400ASA, inbuilt flash, af360fgz 
off camera, bit of afternoon sunlight.

David

Antonio, Seeing that you have calmed down a little bit

[Yefei He]

Antonio, 

Seeing that you have calmed down a little bit, could you 
please accept my plea -- please try not to repond to the 
last round of harsh e-mails thrown at you. Bickerings go 
back and forth, and turn into vicious cycles. If one side 
is tolerant enough, the cycle can be broken. Right now it is 
many against you, so it is the most realistic if you could 
just make a sacrifice, take a few hits, and put your mind to 
other things in this world that are far more beautiful, 
perhaps you'll find it is not so unbearable to refrain from 
further bickerings, and maybe all of them will die a silent 
death. If, some of your dueling opponents still keep firing 
ammunication at you, please take a noble stance and bear with 
it. Because, after that person does it three times, many of 
us PDML members will for certain bestow the title "TROLL" 
upon him/her instead. 

Thanks, 

Yefei 

Re: To Photoshop Class, Or Not?

[Kenneth Waller]

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: OT: To Photoshop Class, Or Not?

> So I am curious, if you use Photoshop, did you ever take a class in it?

Yes, several over the years, including week long workshops.
The most important thing about classes and workshops is not only the
teacher's ability to teach but also if Photoshop is being taught for graphic
artists or for photographers. Most of the local Community college courses
around here (south east Michigan) were being taught with the graphic artist
in mind, useful to a point but alot of non useful  things were also taught.
I've taken weeklong workshops from professional photographers using
Photoshop in their everyday business - I learned the most applicable stuff
from these guys.
I highly recommend Geo Lepp's workshops for the course material and the
hands on lab work.
One week at one of these will have your head spinning with new ideas and new
ways of doing old things you've been doing.

> Or did you just learn it from books?

That also, over the years, from highly recommended  books..

> Or what?

Or what being trying the things I read about and tried at workshop and kept
plugging away at it.

> Marnie aka Doe

Hopes this helps.

Kenneth Waller

Re: June 3rd PDML Meeting

[Keith Whaley]

Woburn, Mass. is it?  Safari park?  Lions?  Ain't the Woburn I usta know...
I once had a fiancé there...  sighhh.
keith whaley
Bob W wrote:
Hi,
Friday, May 21, 2004, 11:16:38 PM, tom wrote:

We'll have both Cotty and Tan in DC on June 3rd and we're planning to do
dinner at Marrakesh -

http://www.marrakeshwashington.com/

If you've never eaten bastilla with your fingers you don't know what you're
missing...I need to make a reservation, so if you plan to come let me know!

that looks like fun. I have some rather fuzzy photos somewhere from a
session in a cafe in Tangiers when I went in for some mint tea and
ended up getting stoned with some old boys.
You can all sing Happy Birthday to me (June 2nd)! I can't make it to Washington,
but I will be driving round the safari park at Woburn, taking photographs of the
lions.
The only way I'll get a Tan is from standing in the English rain.

Re: OT - Postmaster

[Peter J. Alling]

Are you going to start charging rent?
tom wrote:
After dragging most of this crap to my apartment -
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/crap.jpg
My mailman has made an executive decision -
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/mayer.jpg
Yes, Tanya has sent me so much junk that the mailman believes she lives
here. 

Dear, could you pick up some cat food on the way home?
tv

 

Re: June 3rd PDML Meeting

[Bill Owens]

Thanks but no thanks.  Don, Frank, Mark, Annsan and myself will be drinking
in the peace and quiet on GFM that evening.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pdml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Cesar Matamoros (E-mail)'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cesar Matamoros II"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Christian Skofteland (E-mail)'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] Net (E-mail)'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Ed Mathews (E-mail)'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Geoff Moes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mark
Lindamood (E-mail)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Paul Stregevsky (E-mail)'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Stephen Moore (E-mail)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"'Steve Desjardins (E-mail)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 6:16 PM
Subject: June 3rd PDML Meeting


> We'll have both Cotty and Tan in DC on June 3rd and we're planning to do
> dinner at Marrakesh -
>
> http://www.marrakeshwashington.com/
>
> If you've never eaten bastilla with your fingers you don't know what
you're
> missing...I need to make a reservation, so if you plan to come let me
know!
>
> tv
>
>

Re: PAW: Scene from a Mall

[Peter J. Alling]

I rather like this shot, but then again I rather like most of your 
stuff.  In fact I think the child walking
in front of the stroller with it's mother in front of Baby GAP is 
somehow a bit surreal. 

frank theriault wrote:
Feeling rather voyeuristic, I suppose, watching life pass by:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2378683
Please feel free to comment, even if you don't like it.  
cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Re: A rare moment...

[Henri Toivonen]

Nick Clark wrote:
Wouldn't work due to the international nature of the list and the different timezones 
covered.
Nick
I talk to people from USA/Canada, Europe, Asia, Japan and Australia, 
almost daily. I'm in Sweden myself (GMT+1).

How does this not work?
And I mainly tought it to be a supplement to the list. Those OT 
discussions etc usually gives a dozen mails per hour, so those people 
evidently are awake at the same time.

/Henri

Re: A rare moment...

[Nick Clark]

Wouldn't work due to the international nature of the list and the different timezones 
covered.

Nick

-Original Message-
From: "Henri Toivonen"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 21/05/04 23:26:06
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A rare moment...

Shawn K. wrote:

>Anyone here have any IRC bots??
>
>I hang out on EfNet quite a bit, not as much as I used to, but it's a pretty
>busy server so a good choice if attracting newbies is a goal.  maybe #pentax
>would be a good name?
>
>-Shawn
>
I can put one up if that would be necessary, but I'd rather be on some 
network that doesn't have the problem with loosing op etc.
I hang out 24/7 on a network called freenode, they have chanserv so you 
don't need bots or such.

I think it would be great to hang out on IRC too, and maybe this list 
could focus more on the photography part of things, and still we could 
talk OT stuff as usual. :-)

/Henri

Re: Why can't they just fade away?

[Bill D. Casselberry]

Bob Blakely wrote:
 
> You want a bully? 

uh-oh

Re: June 3rd PDML Meeting

[Peter J. Alling]

I'd love to go but I'll be nowhere near there and based on their web 
site I'm not pretty enough...

tom wrote:
We'll have both Cotty and Tan in DC on June 3rd and we're planning to do
dinner at Marrakesh -
http://www.marrakeshwashington.com/
If you've never eaten bastilla with your fingers you don't know what you're
missing...I need to make a reservation, so if you plan to come let me know!
tv
 

Re: June 3rd PDML Meeting

[Bob W]

Hi,

Friday, May 21, 2004, 11:16:38 PM, tom wrote:

> We'll have both Cotty and Tan in DC on June 3rd and we're planning to do
> dinner at Marrakesh -

> http://www.marrakeshwashington.com/

> If you've never eaten bastilla with your fingers you don't know what you're
> missing...I need to make a reservation, so if you plan to come let me know!

that looks like fun. I have some rather fuzzy photos somewhere from a
session in a cafe in Tangiers when I went in for some mint tea and
ended up getting stoned with some old boys.

You can all sing Happy Birthday to me (June 2nd)! I can't make it to Washington,
but I will be driving round the safari park at Woburn, taking photographs of the
lions.

The only way I'll get a Tan is from standing in the English rain.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: OT: She's Her Father's Daughter

[Peter J. Alling]

Ok, I'll ask.  What is this pick on Frank day?
Keith Whaley wrote:

frank theriault wrote:
No

But...the ears, Frank!
How can you deny genes?
keith
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Really cute photo, she's a very pretty girl, you sure you're her 
father???

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Re: OT - Postmaster

[Cotty]

\

>After dragging most of this crap to my apartment -
>
>http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/crap.jpg
>
>My mailman has made an executive decision -
>
>http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/mayer.jpg
>
>Yes, Tanya has sent me so much junk that the mailman believes she lives
>here. 
>
>Dear, could you pick up some cat food on the way home?
>
>tv

ROTFLMAO!!!


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Why can't they just fade away?

[Peter J. Alling]

Shush we want it to be a surprise. :-D
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, if someone said "I looked-up where you live and I've got the money to
buy a plane ticket. I'm going to fly over there and kill you arse when you
least expect it."
That'd be scary.
CW
- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Why can't they just fade away?

 

Antonio,
I've pretty much been ignoring all this silliness, but, for the record,
nothing that Mr. Robb says to you of a nature that you may say is
threatening is illegal.
Yes, Threatening Assault or Death is illegal.  Yes, it can be done
   

remotely.
 

 BUT, the receipient of said threat must ~reasonably~ fear for his life
   

or
 

safety.  The fact that Bill has no idea where you live, and therefore
   

would
 

be unable to carry through with any threat would be a consideration in
whether the police would lay charges.
And, while a threat can be made remotely, the fact that you're in the UK
   

(I
 

surmise by your e-mail addy) and Mr. Robb lives in my fine country
   

(Canada)
 

means that due to that distance, you have no reason to ~reasonably~ fear
   

any
 

imminent assault from Mr. Robb.
So (and again, I emphasize that I have no idea what he said to you, and
neither do I care), whatever was uttered may have been vulgar, tasteless
   

or
 

threatening, however it was surely not actionable in a Criminal or Civil
Court, in either the UK or Canada.
At least, that's my limited understanding of the law as it exists.
HTH,
frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
   

pessimist
 

fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

   

From: Antonio Aparicio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why can't they just fade away?
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:57:07 +0200
Bill,
You sound like just another bully to me. If you feel physical violence is
the way to participate in a debate then you are as twisted as Mr Robb.
 

All
 

we are discussing here is opinions, that is all. Try and keep a sense of
perspective. I will participate in the threads that I see fit -
 

regardless
 

of whether that is to your liking or not thank you very much. My opinions
are my opinions, you don't have to agree with them, just respect them.
Antonio
 

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OT Frontier 375 minilab

[Bill Owens]

I've had the privilege of working with this machine for a couple of weeks
now, and the more I use it the more impressed I become.  It's nearly as good
as Photoshop for correcting levels and colors.  Many of our customer's films
were shot under fluorescent lighting and it's quite easy to add magenta to
kill most of the color cast from them.

Bill

Re: K2 Problem

[Frantisek Vlcek]

>>(approx 1/30 and below) about every third or fourth shot the speed will be
>>off, it sounds like the camera is firing at sync speed (1/125).  Anyone have
MR> When you have no power (dead batteries or some other reason) the shutter
MR> defaults to sync speed. If it really is going to sync speed when you get
MR> your problem the most likely cause is a temporary interruption of power
MR> somewhere, so a bad power switch would be the next candidate.

Hi William and Mark,
   this indeed sounds probable. I do not know how but I just haven't
   read the part about the shutter sounding like the X speed. I just wrongly
   assumed it was the same problem I saw earlier in some K2, which
   behaved oppositely - every few shots it opened the shutter for
   longer than selected. Must read the nessages I am replying to
   better next time :)

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek

Re: June 3rd PDML Meeting

[Cotty]

On 21/5/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, offered:

>We'll have both Cotty and Tan in DC on June 3rd and we're planning to do
>dinner at Marrakesh -
>
>http://www.marrakeshwashington.com/
>
>If you've never eaten bastilla with your fingers you don't know what you're
>missing...I need to make a reservation, so if you plan to come let me know!

Sounds good. Yeah I'll come along. D'oh!!



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Re: OT - Postmaster

[Keith Whaley]

Haa, ha, ha!
I hope most of those are consumables, or she's gonna have to rent her 
own 737 to get home!

keith whaley
tom wrote:
After dragging most of this crap to my apartment -
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/crap.jpg
My mailman has made an executive decision -
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/mayer.jpg
Yes, Tanya has sent me so much junk that the mailman believes she lives
here. 

Dear, could you pick up some cat food on the way home?
tv

Re: Why can't they just fade away?

[Keith Whaley]

You know--the northern part, somewhere above the U.S. of A.
keith
Antonio Aparicio wrote:
Hi Frank, do you have an address for him in Canada - do you know what  
part?
Antonio

On 22 May 2004, at 00:36, frank theriault wrote:
Antonio,
I've pretty much been ignoring all this silliness, but, for the  
record, nothing that Mr. Robb says to you of a nature that you may 
say  is threatening is illegal.

Yes, Threatening Assault or Death is illegal.  Yes, it can be done  
remotely.  BUT, the receipient of said threat must ~reasonably~ fear  
for his life or safety.  The fact that Bill has no idea where you  
live, and therefore would be unable to carry through with any threat  
would be a consideration in whether the police would lay charges.

And, while a threat can be made remotely, the fact that you're in the  
UK (I surmise by your e-mail addy) and Mr. Robb lives in my fine  
country (Canada) means that due to that distance, you have no reason  
to ~reasonably~ fear any imminent assault from Mr. Robb.

So (and again, I emphasize that I have no idea what he said to you,  
and neither do I care), whatever was uttered may have been vulgar,  
tasteless or threatening, however it was surely not actionable in a  
Criminal or Civil Court, in either the UK or Canada.

At least, that's my limited understanding of the law as it exists.
HTH,
frank

Re: good Second hand stores for back-packs

[Keith Whaley]

Six pubs -- 2000 people. Yeah, about right, when you parse out the 
imbibers!  

Let's see, your town's maybe 60% male, that's about 1200 males.
Of those, 50% are of drinking age, perhaps 45% actually DO drink--that's 
about 540 drinkers.
Add another 250 drinking females (might be low on that number  ;¬)  for 
maybe 790 total.
Average of 15% of those who, at any given time care to be using the pub 
correctly, that's about 118, give or take.
Divided by 6 = a shade over 19 drinkers/pub on any given night.
Double  that for the week-ends...

They'll easily accommodate that, what!   (Well, I had to know if you had 
enough!)  

Sounds like a nice town!
keith
TMP wrote:
LOL!  Keith, we have a full-time Doctor and an 18 bed hospital.  The
population of our town is just under 2000.
There are other towns around 150-200kms away, and also a major town (130,000
population) about 300kms away, it is called Mackay, but the only place to
find shops such as those Markus suggested would be Brisbane, or maybe even
Sydney.  Brisbane is a 12-13 hour drive from here.
Ask Bob Rapp - he knows the area well!
tan.
-Original Message-
From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 22 May 2004 7:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: good Second hand stores for back-packs
745 miles away from other civilization?
Why?
I've heard of  "getting away from it all" but geez!
You have a local doctor, or hospital?
Give me a vector from or to a named city, please!
Might be able to zero in on where it is!
keith whaley
TMP wrote:
LOL! Markus, you don't know where I live do you?!  We have precisely 8
shops
in my town - a supermarket, a post office, a butchers, a newsagents, a
chemist, a video/dvd hire shop, a shoe shop and a florist.  We also have 3
cafe/coffee shops and 6 Pubs!
The nearest "city" that would have any of the type of stores that you
mention, is about 1200kms away!

Re: K2 Problem

[Mark Roberts]

"William Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I have a K2 that has developed a problem with the shutter.  At slow speeds
>(approx 1/30 and below) about every third or fourth shot the speed will be
>off, it sounds like the camera is firing at sync speed (1/125).  Anyone have
>any handy hints or experienced the same?  Right now a CLA is not in my
>budget and if it's possible there is a fairly simple DIY solution that would
>be great.

Could be something as simple as a bad (corroded) battery connection.
When you have no power (dead batteries or some other reason) the shutter
defaults to sync speed. If it really is going to sync speed when you get
your problem the most likely cause is a temporary interruption of power
somewhere, so a bad power switch would be the next candidate.

Download the service information from my web site at
http://www.robertstech.com/pentax.htm and see what you can find.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Why can't they just fade away?

[Antonio Aparicio]

Hi Frank, do you have an address for him in Canada - do you know what  
part?
Antonio

On 22 May 2004, at 00:36, frank theriault wrote:
Antonio,
I've pretty much been ignoring all this silliness, but, for the  
record, nothing that Mr. Robb says to you of a nature that you may say  
is threatening is illegal.

Yes, Threatening Assault or Death is illegal.  Yes, it can be done  
remotely.  BUT, the receipient of said threat must ~reasonably~ fear  
for his life or safety.  The fact that Bill has no idea where you  
live, and therefore would be unable to carry through with any threat  
would be a consideration in whether the police would lay charges.

And, while a threat can be made remotely, the fact that you're in the  
UK (I surmise by your e-mail addy) and Mr. Robb lives in my fine  
country (Canada) means that due to that distance, you have no reason  
to ~reasonably~ fear any imminent assault from Mr. Robb.

So (and again, I emphasize that I have no idea what he said to you,  
and neither do I care), whatever was uttered may have been vulgar,  
tasteless or threatening, however it was surely not actionable in a  
Criminal or Civil Court, in either the UK or Canada.

At least, that's my limited understanding of the law as it exists.
HTH,
frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The  
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



From: Antonio Aparicio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why can't they just fade away?
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:57:07 +0200
Bill,
You sound like just another bully to me. If you feel physical  
violence is the way to participate in a debate then you are as  
twisted as Mr Robb. All we are discussing here is opinions, that is  
all. Try and keep a sense of perspective. I will participate in the  
threads that I see fit - regardless of whether that is to your liking  
or not thank you very much. My opinions are my opinions, you don't  
have to agree with them, just respect them.

Antonio

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Re: Why can't they just... was Re: Anyone still using windows ME

[Feroze Kistan]

Antonio,

>From past experience on this and many other lists it soon degenerates into a
mud slingy match. This forum is for the discussion of photography which most
of the time does not involve much conflicting opinion. It is impossible to
have a quiet debate on any topic that involves conflict. My understanding of
dialogue is two or more people having a discussion. What will happen on this
list is not that, it will involve one person trying to enforce their opinion
as being the only possible truth upon another. I subscribe to this list to
discuss and learn about photography, not conflict involving situations
around the world. Being muslim by religion the situation in Iraq is very
close to my heart and would appreciate if this discussion was taken offlist.

Thank You

Feroze

Re: A rare moment...

[Antonio Aparicio]

Brian, I think a Bulletin Board system could of more help here, perhaps 
one of the freely available PHP variety. Very easy to setup and 
maintain - you are already storing the messages online so would not 
take up any more space. Then you would not have your inbox inundated 
with any messages at all if you chose, and you could access all 
messages through an easy to use web page - see a thread you don't like, 
easy - don't open it.

Antonio
p.s. I think Tirade is the wrong word,  definition follows. Basically, 
what seems to be the case is that you do not want me to participate in 
any discussions at all, which is different.
--
tirade was Word of the Day on July 6, 2001.

Source: Dictionary.com Word of the Day
tirade
\Ti*rade"\, n. [F., fr. It. tirada, properly, a pulling; hence, a 
lengthening out, a long speech, a tirade, fr. tirare to draw; of 
Teutonic origin, and akin to E. tear to redn. See Tear to rend, and cf. 
Tire to tear.] A declamatory strain or flight of censure or abuse; a 
rambling invective; an oration or harangue abounding in censorious and 
bitter language.

 Here he delivers a violent tirade against persons who profess to know 
anything about angels. --Quarterly Review
-

On 21 May 2004, at 23:58, Brian Dipert wrote:
...in spite of the blizzard of individual emails that'd land in my 
already
bursting inbox as a result, I actually find myself seriously pondering
switching from the digest version of this list to the regular version, 
just
so I can filter out one particular individual's never-ending tirade. A 
sad
situation, indeed; in the lengthy amount of time I've subscribed to 
this
list, and through all the situations I've experienced on it, this is 
the
first time I've had such thoughts.

Happy weekend all, pleasant shooting!
==
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Peripherals, and Programmable Logic
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Re: Why can't they just fade away?

[Henri Toivonen]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, if someone said "I looked-up where you live and I've got the money to
buy a plane ticket. I'm going to fly over there and kill you arse when you
least expect it."
That'd be scary.
CW
 

That has happened to me once, and I didn't really give a rats ass.
You have to have a lot of spare money and be totally insane to do that 
because of something someone has said over the internet.

/Henri

Re: OT: She's Her Father's Daughter

[Keith Whaley]

frank theriault wrote:
No
But...the ears, Frank!
How can you deny genes?
keith
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Really cute photo, she's a very pretty girl, you sure you're her 
father???

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Re: Why can't they just fade away?

[cbwaters]

Now, if someone said "I looked-up where you live and I've got the money to
buy a plane ticket. I'm going to fly over there and kill you arse when you
least expect it."
That'd be scary.
CW
- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Why can't they just fade away?


> Antonio,
>
> I've pretty much been ignoring all this silliness, but, for the record,
> nothing that Mr. Robb says to you of a nature that you may say is
> threatening is illegal.
>
> Yes, Threatening Assault or Death is illegal.  Yes, it can be done
remotely.
>   BUT, the receipient of said threat must ~reasonably~ fear for his life
or
> safety.  The fact that Bill has no idea where you live, and therefore
would
> be unable to carry through with any threat would be a consideration in
> whether the police would lay charges.
>
> And, while a threat can be made remotely, the fact that you're in the UK
(I
> surmise by your e-mail addy) and Mr. Robb lives in my fine country
(Canada)
> means that due to that distance, you have no reason to ~reasonably~ fear
any
> imminent assault from Mr. Robb.
>
> So (and again, I emphasize that I have no idea what he said to you, and
> neither do I care), whatever was uttered may have been vulgar, tasteless
or
> threatening, however it was surely not actionable in a Criminal or Civil
> Court, in either the UK or Canada.
>
> At least, that's my limited understanding of the law as it exists.
>
> HTH,
> frank
>
>
>
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
>
>
>
> >From: Antonio Aparicio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Why can't they just fade away?
> >Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:57:07 +0200
> >
> >Bill,
> >
> >You sound like just another bully to me. If you feel physical violence is
> >the way to participate in a debate then you are as twisted as Mr Robb.
All
> >we are discussing here is opinions, that is all. Try and keep a sense of
> >perspective. I will participate in the threads that I see fit -
regardless
> >of whether that is to your liking or not thank you very much. My opinions
> >are my opinions, you don't have to agree with them, just respect them.
> >
> >Antonio
> >
> >
>
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OT - Postmaster

[tom]

After dragging most of this crap to my apartment -

http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/crap.jpg

My mailman has made an executive decision -

http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/mayer.jpg

Yes, Tanya has sent me so much junk that the mailman believes she lives
here. 

Dear, could you pick up some cat food on the way home?

tv

Re: Why can't they just fade away?

[frank theriault]

Antonio,
I've pretty much been ignoring all this silliness, but, for the record, 
nothing that Mr. Robb says to you of a nature that you may say is 
threatening is illegal.

Yes, Threatening Assault or Death is illegal.  Yes, it can be done remotely. 
 BUT, the receipient of said threat must ~reasonably~ fear for his life or 
safety.  The fact that Bill has no idea where you live, and therefore would 
be unable to carry through with any threat would be a consideration in 
whether the police would lay charges.

And, while a threat can be made remotely, the fact that you're in the UK (I 
surmise by your e-mail addy) and Mr. Robb lives in my fine country (Canada) 
means that due to that distance, you have no reason to ~reasonably~ fear any 
imminent assault from Mr. Robb.

So (and again, I emphasize that I have no idea what he said to you, and 
neither do I care), whatever was uttered may have been vulgar, tasteless or 
threatening, however it was surely not actionable in a Criminal or Civil 
Court, in either the UK or Canada.

At least, that's my limited understanding of the law as it exists.
HTH,
frank

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



From: Antonio Aparicio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why can't they just fade away?
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:57:07 +0200
Bill,
You sound like just another bully to me. If you feel physical violence is 
the way to participate in a debate then you are as twisted as Mr Robb. All 
we are discussing here is opinions, that is all. Try and keep a sense of 
perspective. I will participate in the threads that I see fit - regardless 
of whether that is to your liking or not thank you very much. My opinions 
are my opinions, you don't have to agree with them, just respect them.

Antonio

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Re: Why can't they just... was Re: Anyone still using windows ME

[Mark Roberts]

"John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>You know what?   I don't care.   I killfiled him some time ago, when
>it became apparent that the signal-to-noise ratio of his contributions
>was as close to zero as makes no difference.

Yup. 100% lossless data compression.

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Re: OT: To Photoshop Class, Or Not?

[Cotty]

On 21/5/04, MARNIE, discombobulated, offered:

>I've been debating taking a Photoshop class. (7 is what I'll be using, and 
>let's not go there again, re versions. ;-))
>
>So I am curious, if you use Photoshop, did you ever take a class in it?
>
>Or did you just learn it from books?
>
>Or what?

I picked it up from books and practice. I do think a course would have
been very useful though. It's okay reading about something but when it
doesn't go to plan and a question needs to be asked, an instructor would
be worth his or her weight in pixels ;-)


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RE: She's Her Father's Daughter

[frank theriault]

Actually, Malcolm,
She is interested in photography.  I should buy a roll of cheapy pre-paid 
processing film, and let her fool around with one of my Spotties for a 
while.  I think at 11 she's old enough.  She's actually not bad with 
disposable cameras, so I should let her try a "real" camera.  Those things 
are pretty bomb-proof, and when she handles my cameras (she loves looking 
through them!) she's very careful.  She's always asking me questions about 
how they work, and I've given her a crash course on shutter speed and 
apertures and stuff.  This might be a great time to get her going!

Good idea you gave me.  Thanks!
And, I'm glad you liked the pic.  With a subject as cute as Claire, how can 
one miss?  

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: She's Her Father's Daughter
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:25:42 +0100
frank theriault wrote:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2376852
Ah! Sweet! She has her Father's ears!
Nice to know that one of your daughters is following (Pentax) photography.
Nice capture Frank.
Malcolm

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Re: A rare moment...

[Henri Toivonen]

Shawn K. wrote:
Anyone here have any IRC bots??
I hang out on EfNet quite a bit, not as much as I used to, but it's a pretty
busy server so a good choice if attracting newbies is a goal.  maybe #pentax
would be a good name?
-Shawn
I can put one up if that would be necessary, but I'd rather be on some 
network that doesn't have the problem with loosing op etc.
I hang out 24/7 on a network called freenode, they have chanserv so you 
don't need bots or such.

I think it would be great to hang out on IRC too, and maybe this list 
could focus more on the photography part of things, and still we could 
talk OT stuff as usual. :-)

/Henri

RE: A rare moment...

[Shawn K.]

Anyone here have any IRC bots??

I hang out on EfNet quite a bit, not as much as I used to, but it's a pretty
busy server so a good choice if attracting newbies is a goal.  maybe #pentax
would be a good name?

-Shawn


-Original Message-
From: Henri Toivonen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 6:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A rare moment...


Brian Dipert wrote:

>...in spite of the blizzard of individual emails that'd land in my already
>bursting inbox as a result, I actually find myself seriously pondering
>switching from the digest version of this list to the regular version, just
>so I can filter out one particular individual's never-ending tirade. A sad
>situation, indeed; in the lengthy amount of time I've subscribed to this
>list, and through all the situations I've experienced on it, this is the
>first time I've had such thoughts.
>
>
I found myself thinking some time ago that there should be a channel for
discussions on IRC. (Internet Relay Chat, a "chat" network thingy.)
The amount of mail you get after one night is pretty cumbersome,
especially when its 95% OT-crap (no offence, people).

Some alternative way of discussing, 1on1 or more, could be a nice
alternative to this mailing back and forth.

/Henri

Re: Comparison: 77 on 35 vs. 50 on APS sensor

[Mark Roberts]

KT Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Well, folks, if you do not have an FA50/1.4 yet, secure it now before it
>becomes one of the legendary lenses :-).

What he said.
:)

-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Why can't they just fade away?

[Bob Blakely]

You want a bully? I'm the biggest damn bully on the block! I love physical
violence. I find it a particularly excellent workout. I'm twisted and not
altogether sane and love it. I'm at "It's a Grind" coffee shop, 1035 N.
Tustin Blvd., Anaheim, California where I hang most days. If not here,
anyone else in the shop can point your Gestapo to where I am.

As to perspectives, I believe you need a new one. Bend over and find that
big hole just behind your scrotum. Stick your head up in there. You'll find
yourself quite in the dark, which should help you in your quest to avoid
disturbing enlightenment. As for air, you may breath all the methane you
heretofore have been spewing out to the list. Don't worry about food. Eat
all you want, the new perspective insures a never ending supply. Just talk.

Damn, I enjoyed that!

Bob...

From: "Antonio Aparicio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Bill,
>
> You sound like just another bully to me. If you feel physical violence
> is the way to participate in a debate then you are as twisted as Mr
> Robb. All we are discussing here is opinions, that is all. Try and keep
> a sense of perspective. I will participate in the threads that I see
> fit - regardless of whether that is to your liking or not thank you
> very much. My opinions are my opinions, you don't have to agree with
> them, just respect them.
>
> Antonio
>
> On 21 May 2004, at 18:34, Bill D. Casselberry wrote:
>
> > Antonio Aparicio wrote:
> >
> >> Dear William,
> >> I should bring to your attention that making threatening to kick
> >> someone's head in, as well as being totally uncalled for, is also
> >> illegal. Clearly you are not interested in any form of adult debate,
> >> but rather are using this group to offload your own frustrations and
> >> are completely out of contact with reality. You sound like quite a
> >> dangerous person.
> >
> > Yeah, Right - Nick Danger/Third Eye!
> > Watch your back for Rocky Rococco!
> >
> > Mr Robb has been a member of this little group for at least
> > 5yrs now and is considered a treasure trove of real world
> > info and experience in the field of photograhy in general and
> > film finishing in particular.
> >
> > You, on the other hand, are a brash newcomer apparently
> > hell-bent on riling everyone (sooner or later, w/ some
> > topic or another), as if a gnat buzzing about folks heads
> > and shoulders w/ unrelenting persistence in justifying
> > yourself on any tiny bit of opinion - mostly on subjects
> > at best peripherial to the photographic process.
> >
> > Your recent interest in a few lens threads does bode some
> > degree of redemption. Should you, perchance, make an effort
> > to involve yourself more w/ these sort of Pentax/Photo threads
> > perhaps, in due time, your initial forays in re OS'es and
> > stuff which have seemingly caused such a flap will recede
> > from the group memory and we can all get along just fine,
> > by-gones being by-gones and all that.
> >
> >> Please provide me with your full name and address as I wish to file a
> >> complaint against you with the police.
> >
> > HAR!  gimme a break!
> >
> > . now, aren't you sorry you woke me up?   Bill

Refconverter M

[William M Kane]

Hello all,
   A month or two back, I posted to the list, asking if the 
Refconverter M could be mounted to the *ist D.  I'm happy to report 
back now, that I have obtained and tested this item on my own *ist D.  
One of the concerns was that the M series cameras had a smaller 
viewfinder (or at least the viewfinder and the information contained 
there-within).  As it turns out, the M Refconverter is able to see all 
information in the viewfinder of the *ist D, which I believe is due to 
the smaller size.

   As a side note, this was a purchase from ebay, which I believe I got 
a good deal on.  Upon arrival, I found that the refconverter had been 
dropped during it's life, and had a crack in it when viewed from the 
nonbusiness end of the Refconverter.  However, when viewed from the 
business end, the crack is not visible, and it is a perfectly 
acceptable user model.  I attribute this to the great manufacturing of 
Pentax.

IL Bill

Re: FS Friday: Some Neat Items

[William M Kane]

Joe,
   I'm interested in the Arsat lens . . . does it act as an M or an A 
lens?  Have you tried it on the *ist D?  Is the k-mount permanantly 
attached, or does it screw off like the pentax m-42 to K adapter?

IL Bill
On May 20, 2004, at 9:21 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:
Well, the time has come to part with some fine gear that I am just not 
using. It will be like watching the kids leave home. With regret I 
offer the following. All prices are U.S. and do not include shipping 
(which will be at cost).

FA PowerZoom 28-105 F4.0-5.6. This is one of my favorites, but I have 
two. (The other one will be taken, as the saying goes, from my cold, 
dead hands.) It's a wonderful, sharp lens, and the best 28-105 that 
Pentax had made. It's large and a bit heavy on MZ/ZX bodies, wonderful 
on the (P)Z-1 or 1p. Ex or EX+ by KEH standards. KEH sells them for 
$126. This one is $100. It is truly a lot of lens for $100.

Pentax AF 400T turnip-masher flash, with bracket. GN 130 (in feet). 
This is a big, professional flash, that tilts, swivels, and twirls in 
all directions. If you can't illuminate your subject with this, wait 
until daylight. Can also be used to club spouses who change the 
settings on color-calibrated monitors. EX or EX+. KEH sells them from 
$189 to $205. Yours for $150.

Sigma 70-300 AF APO Macro F4.0-5.6. This is the apochromatic version, 
and it yields quite sharp images. The macro capability if quite handy. 
KEH has one in EX+ for $133. This one is like new with original box, 
bag, shade, papers, all for $100.00

Olympus Varimagni Right Angle Finder. This one fits Pentax cameras (at 
least since the PZ-1p, including the *ist D). It has 1.2 and 2.5x 
magnification, and shifts between landscape and portrait mode. I'd 
keep it, but since I wear glasses it is just too difficult for me. 
$125, or make me a reasonable offer.

And the surprise: Arsat 35 mm. F2.8 shift/tilt in K-mount. This one 
came directly from the factory in the Ukraine (where the K-mount 
attachment was put on specifically to fill my order) and is still in 
like new condition. Here's your chance to own a genuine tilt/shift 
lens for a fraction of the price of a Japanese one. It is sharp, 
sturdy, and well made. These go for over $400 on eBay. Yours for $300, 
or make me a reasonable counteroffer.

If interested please contact me off-list at:
jtainter at mindspring dot com
In a few days anything not sold will go to KEH.
Thanks,
Joe

Re: To Photoshop Class, Or Not?

[Paul Stenquist]

On May 21, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
IF you are just doing photos -- I've heard 7 is
overkill
and a ram gobbler
annsan
That's probably true. I did fine with 6. But if you're working with the 
*ist D or any other digital camera, you want CS. The RAW conversion is 
worth its weight in gold.
Paul

RE: PENTAX *ISTD RAW DATA PHOTOSHOP PLUGIN MODULE

[Rob Brigham]

YES! (assuming you mean the 'Pentax' RAW plugin and not the 'Adobe'
Photoshop CS RAW convertor)

> -Original Message-
> From: David Sprinkle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 21 May 2004 22:05
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PENTAX *ISTD RAW DATA PHOTOSHOP PLUGIN MODULE
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does this module work with PS Elements 2 or Paintshop Pro 8.
> 
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 

Re: A15 sample pix

[Rfsindg]

Here are some old interior shots with the A15.
   http://members.aol.com/lys93/MainPage.htm
It is truely wide.  You must concentrate to hold it level and keep from distortions.  
I noticed some light fall-off wide open.
Regards  Bob S.

RE: good Second hand stores for back-packs

[TMP]

LOL! Markus, you don't know where I live do you?!  We have precisely 8 shops
in my town - a supermarket, a post office, a butchers, a newsagents, a
chemist, a video/dvd hire shop, a shoe shop and a florist.  We also have 3
cafe/coffee shops and 6 Pubs!

The nearest "city" that would have any of the type of stores that you
mention, is about 1200kms away!

As such, I pretty much do ALL of my shopping online, but I can't wait to get
to the US and check out the thrift/second hand stores (we call them "Op
Shops"), and see just what I am missing out on!

tan.

-Original Message-
From: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 22 May 2004 5:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: good Second hand stores for back-packs


Hi Tanya
in the warehouses and specialized shops her, photo equipment and traveling
bags are rather expensive.
Prices easily start at $30 for a common camera bag and up to much more for
robust back-backs or brands.
Luckily there are half a dozen second hand stores near the town or in
Zurich.
Today I found a upholstered artificial leather photo bag in nearly unused
condition.
It has separate room (compartments) for a camera body, flash, two big lenses
and a lot of
space for filters and film in separate pockets and other useful equipment.
It was $3 and at that price, they have a lot of
special back-backs too, some in nearly new condition. I own now one for
every of my 3 camera/lens sets ready to go outdoors:-)
I often find filters and good books too, the camera bodies and lenses are
mostly defective or in doubtful condition.
The salesperson do not really know the value of filters, I get them for
$3-$5 independent of brand, size or type.

Do you have second hand shops like these and did you already make some good
deals there?
happy pentaxing
Markus




> BTW, I just noticed that KEH.com has some pretty cheap used ones...
> tan.

PENTAX *ISTD RAW DATA PHOTOSHOP PLUGIN MODULE

[David Sprinkle]

Hi,

Does this module work with PS Elements 2 or Paintshop Pro 8.



Dave

RE: Squirrel pictures

[Shawn K.]

Good shots Ann! My grandmother was thinking about getting one of those for
her bird feeder as she has some squirrel problems.  I took one look at it
and told her there was no way that would hold them off for more than 5 or 10
minutes.  And here now is the photographic proof!!

-Shawn


-Original Message-
From: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Squirrel pictures


"Shawn K." wrote:
>
> Haha, squirrels are definitely up there on the list of cool animals.
>
> -Shawn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Squirrel pictures
>
> "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

There are some birds who might want to do
something to this squirrel

http://users.rcn.com/annsan/norassquirrel.jpg

It took this guy a while to figure out the
mechanism - you had to admire his
savvy.

annsan

p.s. I'm glad I tried to upload this three hours
ago -- because my server suddenly
REFUSED to let me upload -- they had screwed
something up on my account
telling me I only had 1 mg of space!

It took me nearly three hours to get it
straightened out -

Since I got some very good news a little while
before that happened I was a bit
more calm and collected than I might have been
earlier.

OT: Shipping Used Pentax Equipment to Canada

[Cliff Nietvelt]

Hello

I live in Canada & I want to purchase some Pentax
equipment from KEH.

Has anyone on this list done this? Being used
equipment, what kind of duty would I expect to pay?
KEH has told me that they ship to Canada all the time,
but once a package reaches the border & customs it's a
different story!

People can e-mail me off list @:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

& not clog up this mailing list of they want.

Thanks! 

Cliff Nietvelt
Calgary, AB

=
Cliff Nietvelt Photography 
www.cliffnietvelt.com 
Box 4174 
Banff, Alberta 
T1L 1E6
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Re: OT: Safelight question

[Frantisek Vlcek]

bcin> I don't know if fog is the correct term.The prints have a
bcin> grey ness to them.I don't have

Hi Dave, that would indeed seem like fogging by safelight. A small light exposure
which doesn't show itself on the print, a treshold exposure, while not
showing, can seriously affect the contrast of the print when you
expose it on the enlarger. This effect is sometimes used deliberately
to lower the contrast of slides in high contrast scenes. Do the blind
test, you will see if it's light leakage or bad chemistry. The
packaging is ok on the papers?

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek

Re: K2 Problem

[Frantisek Vlcek]

Friday, May 21, 2004, 10:20:22 PM, William wrote:
WJ> Both :-(

WJ> Thanks.  I was afraid it might be expensive.

Hi William. I am sorry :-( But still, try to contact some good
repairman (vis the list of Pentax repairs reviewed by PDML members,
link is somewhere on www.mycroft.de), perhaps it will be some easier
repair. I am not sure about the fault myself. It still could be
something else. The K2 are mostly very modular and welldesigned
cameras, so repairing them is much easier than for example an LX.
Don't give up :)

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek

Re: Swiss cheese is innocent - Backup is the word!

[Antonio Aparicio]

Sorry Marcus,
I take it all back! I should have said Smith Cheese. Sorry,
A.
On 21 May 2004, at 00:21, Markus Maurer wrote:
Hi Antonio
now you have gone much too far for me. ;-)
would you please not accuse the innocent Swiss cheese in your ongoing 
off
topic monotone and useless OS comparisons.
I will immediately *backup* my cheese supply (Commonly known as the
*only real* protection)


will be one, nothing is perfect. But compared to the Swiss cheese that
windows has become OSX is a veritable fort Knox.
Antonio

Re: OT: Safelight question

[brooksdj]

Hi Collin.
I must have mised your respose.

I don't know if fog is the correct term.The prints have a grey ness to them.I don't 
have
this problem with 
the dark room class.Prints look good and whites are white,blacks are black.At home they
are more 
grey whites and muddy blacks.
Paper and chemicals are new.

I'll investigate an amber bulb if i can find one.

Thanks

Dave

> I never had a problem with a dark red bulb 
fogging paper.
> But ...
> 
>  is the fogging consistent across the paper, including the border?
>   -- suspect your paper of heat/age damage.
> 
>  is the fogging in swirls?
>   -- suspect the light.  The swirls come when swishing the developer in the 
> try, so the liquid acts as a fluid lens and makes the patterns.
> 
> Do a print in total darkness (obviously except for the paper exposure) to 
> diagnose further.
> 
> I've also had some "fast" papers that didn't like amber, so I had to go 
> back to dark red.
> 
> Collin
> 

Re: K2 Problem

[William Johnson]

Both :-(

Thanks.  I was afraid it might be expensive.

William in Utah.

- Original Message - 
From: "Frantisek Vlcek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "William Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: K2 Problem


> WJ> I have a K2 that has developed a problem with the shutter.  At slow
speeds
> WJ> (approx 1/30 and below) about every third or fourth shot the speed
will be
> WJ> off, it sounds like the camera is firing at sync speed (1/125).
Anyone have
> WJ> any handy hints or experienced the same?  Right now a CLA is not in my
> WJ> budget and if it's possible there is a fairly simple DIY solution that
would
> WJ> be great.
>
> I think there is none (simple solution). This problem indicates probably
dirty
> shutter solenoids - that's not a trivial repair, although it can be
> done by a competent CLA. Sorry to disappoint you :-(
>
> I do hope it's some simpler error, though. Does it occur only in AUTO
> or MAN mode as well?
>
> Best regards,
>Frantisek Vlcek
>
>

Re: Squirrel pictures

[Bob W]

Hi,

> http://users.rcn.com/annsan/norassquirrel.jpg

> It took this guy a while to figure out the
> mechanism - you had to admire his
> savvy.

You might enjoy these:
http://www.squirrels.org/video.html

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: Birding questions vs. Cat security (was Re: OT 8-) Wasting film on birds)

[Gonz]

Peter J. Alling wrote:
Gonz wrote:

Collin Brendemuehl wrote:


 

d) put a high voltage wire around the tree and feed the resultant 
chicken-fried cat to the jays

Wouldn't that be "sudden" fried? 
Or KFC (Kentucky Fried Cat).  lol

Your opinions please. ;=)
Collin
---
'Tautology is'


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Re: OT : Camera Fanny Pack (GFM)

[Eactivist]

BTW, I went with the Tamrac Velocity 5. Someone on Amazon gave it a good 
review regarding it fitting the 300D (it's slightly deeper than some waist/fanny 
packs). Also it is "modular" so I can add on a water bottle and a deeper lens 
bag. Which is what I did.

Ching, ching, ching.

Now I have to retotal the GFM trip costs. ;-)  

Again, thanks everyone for their input.

Marnie aka Doe  Too busy to real-life shop, unfortunately.

Re: OT: Hackers

[Otis Wright]

Maybe just wearing it well.
Otis Wright
Norm Baugher wrote:
Bob, you're showing your age...
norm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me assure you that there were hackers at MIT in the early '60s, 
long before there were personal computers or viruses.  Hacking was a 
form of recreation that often encompassed acomplishing things that 
were technically involved, challenging, and slightly illegal.  Think 
about hacking the phone system or putting a replica of a Police Car 
with flashing lights and donuts on top of the Great Dome.

Re: komkon

[cbwaters]

Wow.  I'd given them up for dead.

CW

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: komkon


> Hey, folks,
> 
> I just accidentally tried the pug.komkon.org server and it's
> responding!  Is this new, or has it been back for a while??  March
> seems to be the latest gallery it has.
> 
> TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
> 
> 
> 


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Re: good Second hand stores for back-packs

[Frantisek Vlcek]

Hi,
   all of the specialised photo bags are rather expensive. I am using
   Domkes at my work (they are excellent for reportages), but for some
   unconspicious photo bags you can consider the many military and
   boyscout bags. They are dirt cheap, and look sufficiently dirty to
   not attract thieves. My friend carries his rather expensive better
   unnamed German camera in one. You can do very good customised
   padded inserts from a foam sleeping mat (closed cell foam like
   Evazote is the best, and is cheap in craft stores) plus some nylon
   cloth so the cameras won't catch on the foam. Add some
   weatherproofing spray and you are all set. Especially if you are a
   non-trendy old bearded guy, nobody would except an expensive camera
   with you!

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek

Re: pdml members webpage

[Frantisek Vlcek]

Friday, May 21, 2004, 9:09:18 PM, Jens wrote:
JB> Amazoing photographs, Frantisek! A pleasure to watch!
JB> All the best

I am flattered! Thank you so much :-) I must work a lot on the frontpage,
though. I should get some friendly webdesigner to design me a normal
front page, instead of that quick hack you have seen.

BTW, I just uploaded there an update with what I hope is an interesting short
photoessay on a limestone quarry (stone pit for you British subjects
).

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek

Re: K2 Problem

[Frantisek Vlcek]

WJ> I have a K2 that has developed a problem with the shutter.  At slow speeds
WJ> (approx 1/30 and below) about every third or fourth shot the speed will be
WJ> off, it sounds like the camera is firing at sync speed (1/125).  Anyone have
WJ> any handy hints or experienced the same?  Right now a CLA is not in my
WJ> budget and if it's possible there is a fairly simple DIY solution that would
WJ> be great.

I think there is none (simple solution). This problem indicates probably dirty
shutter solenoids - that's not a trivial repair, although it can be
done by a competent CLA. Sorry to disappoint you :-(

I do hope it's some simpler error, though. Does it occur only in AUTO
or MAN mode as well?

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek

FS: Cameras and lenses

[Carlos Royo]

These are the remaining cameras and lenses that I want to sell:
Pentax Z-1 AF SLR + Fdp Gripstrap + F electronic cable release +
instruction manual, in Spanish (I will also include 2 unused 2CR5
lithium batteries, each one lasts about twenty-five 36-exposure films) 
and original boxes.
The camera is in excellent condition, both mecanically and
electronically, but there is some light "mist" into the eyepiece, not
visible except against strong light. It doesn't have any influence on
the performance of the camera or the metering, but it is somewhat
annoying when you are shooting backlit scenes. I suppose it is quite 
easy to clean, but I don't dare to disassemble the eyepiece, and as I 
want to
sell the camera, it doesn't make to much sense to have it cleaned. I
want 220 euros for everything, a cheap price due to the eyepiece issue.

Pentax MZ-5 AF SLR + Fg AA battery grip + Spanish instruction manual, 
boxed. Both the camera and the battery grip are in LN condition (I don't 
have the neckstrap, though). 200 euros.

SMC-Pentax FA 80-320 mm. 4.5-5.6 AF zoom (black version) + Pentax
plastic clip-on hood (designed for the K-series 85-210 mm.) 135 euros.
In excellent+ condition. 120 euros.
Kenko SHQ 1.5x AF teleconverter + case. Like new and boxed, it has the
contacts needed for Pentax powerzoom lenses. 50 euros.
If you are interested in one of these items, please send a message to my
email box, not the list. Shipping expenses are not included in these prices.
Thank you for your attention.

Carlos Royo - Zaragoza (Aragon), Spain
"The struggle of people against power is the struggle of memory against
forgetting" Milan Kundera ("La lucha del pueblo contra el poder es la
lucha de la memoria contra el olvido")



Re: OT: Hackers

[Norm Baugher]

Bob, you're showing your age...
norm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me assure you that there were hackers at MIT in the early '60s, long before there 
were personal computers or viruses.  Hacking was a form of recreation that often 
encompassed acomplishing things that were technically involved, challenging, and 
slightly illegal.  Think about hacking the phone system or putting a replica of a 
Police Car with flashing lights and donuts on top of the Great Dome.

RE: OT: To Photoshop Class, Or Not?

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Shel
would you share the address of the Photoshop. list with me/us?
I really need and want to learn more about imaging software.. :-)


Answering the survey:
I buy a lot of books second hand and try to learn from every source like the
Pentax list too ;-)


thanks
Markus


> Photoshop list,
> Shel Belinkoff

komkon

[Doug Franklin]

Hey, folks,

I just accidentally tried the pug.komkon.org server and it's
responding!  Is this new, or has it been back for a while??  March
seems to be the latest gallery it has.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Squirrel pictures

[Ann Sanfedele]

"Shawn K." wrote:
> 
> Haha, squirrels are definitely up there on the list of cool animals.
> 
> -Shawn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Squirrel pictures
> 
> "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

There are some birds who might want to do
something to this squirrel

http://users.rcn.com/annsan/norassquirrel.jpg

It took this guy a while to figure out the
mechanism - you had to admire his
savvy.

annsan

p.s. I'm glad I tried to upload this three hours
ago -- because my server suddenly
REFUSED to let me upload -- they had screwed
something up on my account
telling me I only had 1 mg of space!

It took me nearly three hours to get it
straightened out - 

Since I got some very good news a little while
before that happened I was a bit
more calm and collected than I might have been
earlier.

Re: OT:Indoor horse pictures

[brooksdj]

Thanks John.
Actually i cannot remember if any poles fell down.I was impressed as this was Gary's 
first
jumping in 
over 20 years.He's a reining rider and operates the farm i do most of my shots at.

Some of my first sales were with pictures from the SP500 and 105 f 2.8.I don't really 
need
AF but it 
helps sometimes.:-)

Dave   

> On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:57:47 US/Eastern, you 
wrote:
> 
> > 
> > http://www.caughtinmotion.com/page_62.htm
> >
> >Added 20 pictures from a show last weekend.If any one wants to see what jumping 
> >looks
like
> >in a poorly lit arena at iso 1600,panned at the higest shutter is could get,click 
> >above
> >link.
> >
> >The kids like 'em even if i don't .LOL
> >
> >Enjoy
> >
> >Dave 
> >
> 
>  I like 'em.  A friend invited me to a jumping show many, many years
> ago, pre-AF, and loaned me a K2 and 135mm lens.  I even got a couple
> of good shots.  It's not great art, but it is a very nice slice of
> life showing the efforts of horse and rider.  
> 
> My favorite is the last one, yag_0276.jpg, which I think must have
> taken down all the poles - seems to me there is no way that horse
> could clear from the position it is in.
> 
> --
> John Mustarde
> www.photolin.com
> 

Re: OT: Hackers

[Antonio Aparicio]

I must admit that my first knowledge of the term Hacker was in a 
positive, not negative sense too.
A.
On 21 May 2004, at 21:22, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

Fascinating.
My "hacker" days came just a bit later.
Those of us who built computers when the first skill
one had to have was knowing how to solder
were the first hobbyist hackers.
But that was as much hardware as (and often more than) software.
Collin
Builder of Netroics Elf II et. al
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Re: Why can't they just... was Re: Anyone still using windows ME

[Antonio Aparicio]

Thats a really mature position Bob. S. But given you have been one of 
the prime flame throwers in this thread I am not surprised.

Antonio
On 21 May 2004, at 20:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm getting tired of this idiot.
The man said, "...inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects..."
WHAT PART OF THE WORD "INFLAMMATORY" DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Regards,
Bob...
I'm getting tired as well.
I have a new proposal.
How about we each send him an individual reply...
EACH and EVERY time he posts more garbage to the list?
He has sent 10 messages in the last 24 hours to the list.
We all send him 10 messages back...multiplied by the number of 
pdml'ers.

If some of you would care to include viruses or MAC viruses or 
whatever, what can I say. :-)

Regards,  Bob S.

Re: A* 85mm f1.4 - worth over a $1,000?

[Antonio Aparicio]

Cheers Bob,
Thanks for the tip. No worries about spoiling the bargain hunters hunt 
on this one then ;-(

Antonio
p.s. F4 lens would be 1:4, not 1.4 (which is 1:1.4)
On 21 May 2004, at 20:09, Bob W wrote:
Hi,
Check out ebay item 3815885925.

Can't you buy a new FA* 85mm 1.4 for that sort of money?
that's a lot of money for an f:4.0 lens! ;O)
The A* f/1.4 is at least as good as any other lens in its class, and
usually sells for about the same as the others. A number of us have
experience of this lens and other 85/1.4s from different makers. 
Whether
it's worth it or not is a matter for the individual wallet.

In another thread you asked for a list of the unwritten rules of pdml.
There is a long-standing convention that we don't mention Pentax items
on auction sites before the sale is concluded. The exception to this
is that it's ok for people to post items they themselves are selling.
The thinking behind this is that many people put a lot of effort into
searching for bargains, and it's not fair on them if something they're
bidding on suddenly attracts a lot of bids from people who put no
effort into it.
Some people disagree with this convention, and from time to time
somebody posts notice of an auction. Occasionally it all flares up
into an e-squabble.
I neither buy nor sell on auction sites, so I have no personal stake
in this either way.
I don't know whether or not this sale was over when you posted your
email, so I'm not having a go at you, merely mentioning one of our
(sometimes controversial) little conventions.
--
Cheers,
 Bob

Weekend survey

[Markus Maurer]

To sweeten your weekend, I have two questions for you (and yes, the results
of the opinion poll will be published here)

1   Which 3 photos you made are your most loved ones?
1b  is it for their content or the circumstances of the taking or anything
else?

2   Are these photos of private affair showing for example members your family
or not?
2b  Would you publish them for us ? If yes, with a link :-)

3   feel free to add any impressive or strange stories about taking the
shoots.


Some of the photos I really love  are of private nature when I was at the
age of 17-20.
I had two engagements as a seaman on Swiss freight ships worldwide and took
my first photos on sea in 1977 with
a Olympus XA compact camera. When the ship came into dock in Hong Kong the
second time I worked as sailor in 1981,
I bought my first Pentax ME super. I took a lot of pictures of the crew at
work and gave the photos to them
Most of the negatives have suffered severely and are unusable in between due
to humidity and false storage :-(
So I am left with about 10 enlargements from that time, some show the
"seamen baptized" and hair cropping all over :-)

thanks
Markus

good Second hand stores for back-packs

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Tanya
in the warehouses and specialized shops her, photo equipment and traveling
bags are rather expensive.
Prices easily start at $30 for a common camera bag and up to much more for
robust back-backs or brands.
Luckily there are half a dozen second hand stores near the town or in
Zurich.
Today I found a upholstered artificial leather photo bag in nearly unused
condition.
It has separate room (compartments) for a camera body, flash, two big lenses
and a lot of
space for filters and film in separate pockets and other useful equipment.
It was $3 and at that price, they have a lot of
special back-backs too, some in nearly new condition. I own now one for
every of my 3 camera/lens sets ready to go outdoors:-)
I often find filters and good books too, the camera bodies and lenses are
mostly defective or in doubtful condition.
The salesperson do not really know the value of filters, I get them for
$3-$5 independent of brand, size or type.

Do you have second hand shops like these and did you already make some good
deals there?
happy pentaxing
Markus




> BTW, I just noticed that KEH.com has some pretty cheap used ones...
> tan.

Re: OT: Hackers

[Collin Brendemuehl]

Fascinating.

My "hacker" days came just a bit later.
Those of us who built computers when the first skill
one had to have was knowing how to solder
were the first hobbyist hackers.
But that was as much hardware as (and often more than) software.

Collin
Builder of Netroics Elf II et. al

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Re: To Photoshop Class, Or Not?

[Ann Sanfedele]

Keith Whaley wrote:
> 
> Is THAT what they call male turkeys out your way?
> 
> keith whaley
> 
> (snipp)>
> > IF you are just doing photos -- I've heard 7 is
> > overkill
> >
> > and a ram gobbler
> >
> > annsan

I think we better just let this one drop -
the puns could get a leeettle dangerous

annsan aka VBG

Re: A 15mm (ASP and non-ASP)

[Andre Langevin]

My 15mm does feature the 4 feet mark and the front lens diameter is 69 mm
(measured with a caliper). It's a K SMC  PENTAX 1:3.5/15, sn 5068171.
Fabio
Fabio, is it possible to get a more precise measure?  68,6 and 69,8 
seems to pertain to the two different types and your 69mm measure 
lies about in between...

It would be interesting to get Antti-Pekka's and Vic's measures too.
Andre
Non-ASP?
Andre   (SMC-T 8014040) 68mm (approx.)
Stephen (SMC-K 7368xxx) 68 to 69mm
Rod (SMC-A) 68,6mm (caliper)
Unknown:
Fabio   (SMC-K 5068171) 69mm
Antti-Pekka (SMC-K 505) ?
Vic (SMC-K 7367862) ?
ASP?
Bob (SMC-T 8013862) 69.85mm

Re: Fryday FS

[Andre Langevin]

 > I think at the time this lens was produced Ricoh made their own, and
 most were very good.
 Keith Whaley wrote:
 > That could well be!
 > Ricoh has been around for some time.
 > Do you happen to know who made the lens for Ricoh?
No, no, it's early 90's and I believe it was made by Cosina. I also saw some
bearing original Cosina name.
Dario
Before the 90s Ricoh wasn't making their own lenses neither.  Some 
earlier Ricoh K lenses at the time of their first XR bodies in the 
80s, were made by Asahi.  I have an XR 28/3.5 and an XR 200/4 that 
are optically IDENTICAL to their Pentax M counterpart, I mean 
internal baffling rings, color of coating of all elements, same 
optics.  Externally different: size of fosusing ring, rubber style, 
color of the distance marks...

Andre

Re: OT: Hackers

[Otis Wright]

Yup!   We were there.  Had a great time 

Otis Wright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me assure you that there were hackers at MIT in the early '60s, long before there 
were personal computers or viruses.  Hacking was a form of recreation that often 
encompassed acomplishing things that were technically involved, challenging, and 
slightly illegal.  Think about hacking the phone system or putting a replica of a 
Police Car with flashing lights and donuts on top of the Great Dome.
Regards,  Bob S.
John Francis writes:
 

D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote:
   

Shawn K. wrote:
 

*cough* Don't argue semantics with me!!  You know, HACK is a derogatory term
and so is hacker in its origin.
   

Too late, I am arguing (though in the interest of neither boring nor
annoying the rest of the list, I'll try to drop the parts that will
soon become repetetive because each of us refuses to change our usage,
and after your next public reply, we can argue more loudly _offlist_
if we both decide we're interested enough in continuing the argument
(but my guess is that simply making clear exactly where each of us
stands will suffice for now)).
The problem is that the noun in question is the name of a subculture
(and it _is_ a subculture) that I identify with and hang out with.
So I've got a stake in this.
 

In support of this position, the M.I.T. A.I. lab routinely used the
term hacker in the positive sense.  In fact the introduction to AIM 239
(better known as HAKMEM) says, in part:
"Here is some little known data which may be of interest to computer
hackers.  The items and examples are so sketchy that to decipher them
may require more sincerity and curiosity than a non-hacker can muster."
I'm sure HAKMEM is available on the web by now, but I'm looking at
an original copy I was given (by Mike Beeler) when I 
visited the lab in the 1970s while I was working for DEC.
   


 

RE: pdml members webpage

[Jens Bladt]

Amazoing photographs, Frantisek! A pleasure to watch!
All the best

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Frantisek Vlcek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 19. maj 2004 19:19
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PDML
Emne: pdml members webpage


Hi Paul,
   could you please update my listing?

   FRANTISEK VLCEK
   http://fotof.wz.cz

   Thanks!

   P.S.: I am also forwarding this to the list, in case your email
   link doesn't work, as was the case some time ago.

K2 Problem

[William Johnson]

Hi all,

I have a K2 that has developed a problem with the shutter.  At slow speeds
(approx 1/30 and below) about every third or fourth shot the speed will be
off, it sounds like the camera is firing at sync speed (1/125).  Anyone have
any handy hints or experienced the same?  Right now a CLA is not in my
budget and if it's possible there is a fairly simple DIY solution that would
be great.

Thanks!

William in Utah

Re: Re: Why can't they just... was Re: Anyone still using windows ME

[John Francis]

You know what?   I don't care.   I killfiled him some time ago, when
it became apparent that the signal-to-noise ratio of his contributions
was as close to zero as makes no difference.

Unfortunately I still get to see some of his self-indulgent posturing
because some people can't resist the temptation, and fall for the bait.
Please don't - paying attention to his little temper tantrums is just
what he wants.  Why let him set the rules by playing the game his way?

Don't reply to his postings.  Read them if you must, although I think
it's a waste of time.  But denying him the attention he craves will
upset him more than any possible reaction.


> I don't think he's a fool anymore actually...  I think he's writing us from
> a mental ward somewhere, and the "newspaper" he's editor of is actually a 4
> page weekly filled with the rants of true raving maniacs.
> 
> -Shawn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 10:46 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Re: Why can't they just... was Re: Anyone still using
> windows ME
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Antonio Aparicio"
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Why can't they just... was Re: Anyone
> still using windows ME
> 
> 
> > Well Bob, calling someone an idiot is pretty inflammatory in most
> > peoples book, not to mention rude.
> >
> 
> Well, Antonio, Lets take this beyond rude.
> You are a fucking asshole.
> A bombastic piece of shit.
> And a narcisitic sociopath.
> You don't care about anyone other than yourself.
> You have no concern for anyones feelings other than your own.
> Consider yourself lucky that this is an email list, rather than a
> face to face discussion.
> I'd be putting the boots to your head about now.
> I don't suffer fools in silence, and you certainly are a fool.
> 
> Regards
> 
> William Robb
> 
> 
> 

RE: OT : Camera Fanny Pack (GFM)

[Andre Langevin]

And the Orion that Andre mentioned is here - good price too:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15201&item=3815952261
This the Mini version at 25$.  The regular Orion is here at $40
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15201&item=3816529358
Andre

Re: Why can't they just... was Re: Anyone still using windows ME

[Rfsindg]

> I'm getting tired of this idiot.
> 
> The man said, "...inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects..."
> 
> WHAT PART OF THE WORD "INFLAMMATORY" DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
> 
> Regards,
> Bob...

I'm getting tired as well.
I have a new proposal.
How about we each send him an individual reply...
EACH and EVERY time he posts more garbage to the list?
He has sent 10 messages in the last 24 hours to the list.
We all send him 10 messages back...multiplied by the number of pdml'ers.

If some of you would care to include viruses or MAC viruses or whatever, what can I 
say. :-)

Regards,  Bob S.

RE: A* 85mm f1.4 - worth over a $1,000?

[Jens Bladt]

Sold for 1200,45$

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 21. maj 2004 16:22
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: A* 85mm f1.4 - worth over a $1,000?


Check out ebay item 3815885925.

Can't you buy a new FA* 85mm 1.4 for that sort of money?

Antonio

Local newspaper snapshot

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Pentax users
one of my last black and white photos showing a pair of swans with the nest
and 7 eggs was published two days ago
in the "snapshot of the week" of a local newspaper called LiZ
(Limmat-Zeitung) here. They usually select photos showing typical and
current scenes from the "Limmattal" region, mostly landscape photos or
close-up's of unusual things.
I got some responses from people I know and it is indeed a special feeling
to look at this edition of the newspaper :-)
It's the second time in 2 month that my photo was chosen and both times I
used a Pentax, the first time the ME super with the manual A70-210mm zoom
and for the swans a Pentax SFx with manual Sigma Zoom 70-300mm at 300 mm on
a tripod at about 10 meters distance to not disturb the birds.

So, be encouraged to send your best shots to a publisher too, it is fun.
The price money corresponds to about 12 rolls of film :-)
happy pentaxing
Markus

Re: To Photoshop Class, Or Not?

[Keith Whaley]

Is THAT what they call male turkeys out your way?
keith whaley
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
TMP wrote:
Taught myself, and I am still "teaching"...
tan.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 21 May 2004 6:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: To Photoshop Class, Or Not?
In the interest of changing the subject, and creating new threads, and all
that...
I've been debating taking a Photoshop class. (7 is what I'll be using, and
let's not go there again, re versions. ;-))
So I am curious, if you use Photoshop, did you ever take a class in it?
Or did you just learn it from books?
Or what?
Marnie aka Doe

All the helpful guys on the list and the seat of
my pants :)
I've been winging it -- occasional questions of
friends.. using the help menu..etc
IF you are just doing photos -- I've heard 7 is
overkill
and a ram gobbler
annsan

Re: To Photoshop Class, Or Not?

[Shel Belinkoff]

I suppose it depends on what you're doing with photos.  I found 7 to be a
vast improvement over 6 for photo repair and restoration, and the file
browser is a wonderful tool, once you get to know it.  As for it being a
memory gobbler, I'd disagree on that point as well.  It ran very well on a
Win98 machine with 512mb of memory.  Can't remember ever needing the
scratch disk.

Now, compared to Elements, maybe, but it's all relative.

Shel Belinkoff


> [Original Message]
> From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 5/21/2004 11:02:17 AM
> Subject: Re: To Photoshop Class, Or Not?
>
> IF you are just doing photos -- I've heard 7 is
> overkill
>
> and a ram gobbler
>
> annsan

Re: Fryday FS

[Dario Bonazza]

> I think at the time this lens was produced Ricoh made their own, and
> most were very good.
>
> Keith Whaley wrote:
>
> > That could well be!
> > Ricoh has been around for some time.
> > Do you happen to know who made the lens for Ricoh?

No, no, it's early 90's and I believe it was made by Cosina. I also saw some
bearing original Cosina name.

Dario

RE: 50/1.4 and 135/2.5

[Jens Bladt]

I plead guilty to starting this.
It's not just that the F version is rated a bit higher than the FA version.
It's that just one other 50mm was rated quite as high (4.6) by Photodo
(Hasselblad); the Leica Sumicron-M 50mm f2.0.
If these tests are credible, it places the SMC F 1.4/50mm as the very best
1.4/50mm ever tested by Photodo.
The Leica Summilux-M 1.4/50mm was rated 4.2 - the same as the Pentax SMC FA
1.4/50mm. So this could indicate that the Pentax lenses can be even sharper
than the corresponding Leica lenses. This is what I found interesting. It's
not especially interesting, that there may be a samll difference betwen two
versions of Pentax 50mm lenses.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


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Fra: Lon Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 21. maj 2004 14:36
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: 50/1.4 and 135/2.5


I think this F better than FA 50/1.4 thing got started because
PhotoDo rated the F a tad higher.

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Joe Wilensky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Is the F 50/1.4 truly a better performer than the FA or the A
>>version?
>
>
> IIRC, the F and FA versions are optically identical.

Re: Birding questions vs. Cat security (was Re: OT 8-) Wasting film on birds)

[Collin Brendemuehl]

From: Kenneth Waller
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:32:24 -0700 
>
>-
>Keep the cat indoors.
>Kenneth Waller


I would, but these Satan-filled little creatures are quick to sneak out.

Collin
 

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RE: A 15mm

[Amita Guha]

> > I'm really curious, because usually a lens this wide has its own 
> > limitations but often makes a spectacular view. I mean, if Pentax
> is
> > still selling this lens, it should be good. How much do you pay for
> it?
> 
> It wasn't cheap. I won't say beyond that, as I have too good 
> a relationship with my local retailer to want to risk 
> screwing it up. I may have gotten a very good price indeed, even so.

B&H sells it for about US $1500, if that's any help, Winston.