Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Rob Studdert]

On 13 Mar 2005 at 22:28, John Celio wrote:
 
> Telling a rep, or writing the company for that matter, won't influence 
> Pentax, or anyone else, to make what you want unless it's economically 
> feasible.  They need to know they can make money off a product, and Pentax
> probably couldn't get a good enough margin on a 35mm-size sensor'd camera. 
> Hell,
> with their shrinking user-base, they'd probably LOSE money just thinking about
> one.

Just joshin' ya John however I think it would be wise to treat most things a 
local sales rep says about their Japanese parent company particularly on the 
engineering side with some scepticism. I'm sure that you are correct that the 
Canon guys make good money on their $8k bodies but it's probably less then 
they'd have you believe.

> You're not alone in wanting a 35mm sensor, but there sure aren't enough of you
> for Pentax to go that way and survive.  Not at the moment, anyway. These are 
> the
> realities of the camera market at this time.

Well they have to head some direction to remain viable into the future and the 
release of a FF 35mm DSLR/s would be a logical progression at this point to my 
mind.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
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Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Peter J. Alling]

John Celio wrote:
You have no right to be pissed off,
but you will piss off a number of people on this list by being a 
know-it-all.

Oh but I do have a right to be frustrated.  Do you know how many 
morons I have to deal with at work on a daily basis, who think Canon 
is the Lord God Almighty of cameras just because their friends told 
them so, or because they read it on some photo forum somewhere?
Yes, I used to sell cameras many years ago, I worked for a Minolta 
bigot.  (I also worked for a "Major" DP consulting Company, as a 
Microsoft windows expert, one of my managers was a UNIX bigot),  If you 
think it's difficult dealing with the great unwashed, imagine how it is 
if they have "real" power over you .

Did you know Canon sponsors some of the major review sites, like 
dpreview? Did you know Canon has the largest advertising budget of the 
major camera brands?
Well, yes, I think I do.
Do you have any idea how many people come into the shop I work at 
thinking they know everything, yet are completely mislead by slanted 
articles, out-of-date magazines, and reviewers who don't know what the 
hell they're talking about?
Once again I have a very good Idea of how that is.
Do you know how many people walk into my shop with a camera they 
bought from some gray-market (or otherwise shady) dealer and complain 
that something is wrong with their camera?  Similarly, do you know how 
many people think they're getting a good deal from some online company 
and end up getting screwed over in one way or another?  Granted, there 
are some reputable online dealers, but they are drastically 
outnumbered by the shadier dealers.

Oh hum.  Look I truly feel sorry for you but mail order has always had 
it's charlatans, and most of them moved on line.  The more things change 
the more they stay the same. 

Where I work, I have to know as much as possible about the products I 
have around me, as well as the companies we get them from.  I am by no 
means a know-it-all, but I damn sure know more than most people I meet 
on a daily basis.
That may be true but you're dealing with a group of very knowledgeable 
people here, most of us have been working with or at least messing 
around with this stuff for a long time.  We know b**t when we see 
and hear it.  Some of us can mathematically  prove it's b**t.

All I can say is, I do my best to get my information from the most 
reputable sources possible.  I get as close to the horse's mouth as I 
can.

If the horses mouth is a sales rep I'd take it with a boulder of salt.  
They have their own agendas mostly to do with moving the cheese.  Many 
of them have no idea if what they spout is true or not, as long as it 
advances the company line, and pads their personal bottom line.  Almost 
none of them are "real" engineers.

John Celio
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RE: Full Frame DSLR

[Peter Williams]

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> Why not check out some reports from users of the Epson R-D1

I am aware of the Epson R-D1, I thought it might "a good thing"
till I saw the price it was released at.

As far as I'm aware leica have publicly said they are making
a digital "M" camera. It has been delayed due to engineering
issues.

-- 
Peter Williams 

Re: London PDML update

[Cotty]

On 13/3/05, Gianfranco Irlanda, discombobulated, unleashed:

>> 
>
>I'm afraid you have to update the page again and leave out the
>question mark after Gianfranco +1, because Veronica is coming!
>Whh!!

That's excellent news Gianco, I'll update later as I'm dashing off to
work in a minute.

>
>Our schedule:
>arrival at Stanstead at 1345, probably Airbus to Victoria Coach
>Station - at 1530-1600 (otherwise Stanstead Express - faster but
>way more expensive). I'm still not sure if we are going to stay
>at the Windermere - which is quite close to the Victoria Coach
>Station; I had already booked a single room at the Penn Club but
>their double rooms available for those two nights are without
>private bathroom... :-( I like that small hotel, though.

Must be an Italian thing! 

>
>Where could we meet at 1630-1700 (hopefully earlier)?

Indeed - if we are going on the London Eye for dusk, it would make sense
to eat earlier than that rather than later I think, so assuming dinner
around 7pm near to the Eye, it would be nice to arrange a rendezvous at
something photogenic in the later afternoon perhaps. Ideas welcome;

I'll update the web page with my mobile (cell) phone number, and so we
can keep in touch by call or text with exactly what's going on, on the
day. I would hope a firm schedule (though relaxed of course ;-) can be
worked out beforehand

More soon...




Cheers,
  Cotty


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RE: GESO: The Gates

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Amita
I like the fisheye shot with the horse Nr. 6 and the dogs on 8 and Nr. 9 too
but I think the photos could be much enhanced by tweaking them a bit on the
computer.
It was not a sunny day, so everything looks a bit gray and flat here for me.
The orange color only helps a bit.

thanks for showing it.
greetings
Markus







>>-Original Message-
>>From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:36 AM
>>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Subject: GESO: The Gates
>>
>>
>>It took me a while, but I finally got these things scanned:
>>
>>http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/434123
>>
>>Amita
>>
>>

Re: Full Frame DSLR

[Peter J. Alling]

If it's delayed too long then they may not be around to introduce it.  
(You think that the
digital Leica will be less expensive than the Epson/Cosina???)

Peter Williams wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why not check out some reports from users of the Epson R-D1
   

I am aware of the Epson R-D1, I thought it might "a good thing"
till I saw the price it was released at.
As far as I'm aware leica have publicly said they are making
a digital "M" camera. It has been delayed due to engineering
issues.
 


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RE: PESO - MT. Home

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Mark
seems like a nice camera for snow shots, I like this one a lot.
Is this a medium format camera and are you a collector of old cameras?

I really enjoyed shooting some photos with a 1959 Agfa Ambiflex with 35mm
SLR and some
test shots with a Voigtlaender Bessamatic 1959 with the worlds first zoom
"Zoomar" 38-80mm last week.

But, every second shot, I forgot something to set, one time the distance,
then the self timer
did not work sometimes and the flash did not go off all the time..
I used an old fashioned Braun Hobby flash with the Ambiflex.
The qualitiy feeling is incredible, full steel body and heavy (nearly 1 KG)
;-)

greetings
Markus





>>-Original Message-
>>From: Mark Cassino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:03 AM
>>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Subject: PESO - MT. Home
>>
>>
>>Mt. Home is a big old graveyard across the street and a block
>>down from my
>>house. Whenever I go there I leave with Bob Marley's "When my
>>work is over"
>>song in my head. Unfortunately, it is a dead graveyard, in that
>>they no long
>>let new people move in (or so the folks I know who have plots there tell
>>me.)
>>
>>Anyhow - it's a great place to test lenses and stuff, and in the stuff
>>category I picked up an old Ricoflex VII TLR a few days ago, and
>>took it out
>>for a test drive.
>>
>>Here's a shot taken at f5.6 with focus set to infinity. There's isn't a
>>sharp line in the frame, but it's not so radical as the Holga or
>>some of the
>>other antique cameras I've been fooling with. I figure that you
>>only get so
>>many sharp photos allocated to you, so you  may as well save them
>>for stuff
>>that needs to be sharp, and let the stuff that is bettor being soft, be
>>soft.
>>
>>Nonetheless, I like the lines and the orderliness here:
>>
>>http://www.markcassino.com/temp/peso/mt_home.jpg
>>
>>- MCC
>>
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>Mark Cassino Photography
>>Kalamazoo, MI
>>www.markcassino.com
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>>

RE: ebay whirlwind (watching Pentax glass)

[Markus Maurer]

Hi David
the same is true here, I seldom have a chance with Eby bidding due to
snipers.
I prefer other online auctions where the auction is prolonged for 5 minutes
if somebody places a bid in the last 5 minutes.
Local auctions are much cheaper too and I often discover something nobody
noticed ;-)

greetings
Markus


>>I noticed the other day an SMC Pentax-FA 20-35mm f/4 AL on eBay. I
>>already own one of these, but know my brother-in-law would love one too.
>>  Tonight the auction ended.  An hour before the end of auction it was
>>going for $250, which seemed fantastic.  ...15 minutes to go, $260.
>>There was no change until six seconds to go: $350, and in literally the
>>final second, $355.  That's only 25% below Adorama and B&H pricing!
>>Ultimately my brother-in-law never ended up bidding on the lens, but
>>even if he had, he surely would have lost it to sniping.
>>
>>It's no wonder I can't seem to get my hands on a used FA 135 f/2.8 IF.
>>Things really seem to get driven up in the final seconds.
>>
>>

Re: New Price for ist DS

[Bob Sullivan]

So what is the reason for this price drop to US$700?
Is there specific competition at this price point or...
Is Pentax going to introduce something new???
Regards,  Bob S.


On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:26:50 -0800, Marco Alpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Buydig.com currently has the kit for $795.89 and the body only for
> $698.79, both with free (presumably domestic-only) shipping.
> 
> I ordered mine from them last month and all went smoothly (although
> it's the only time I've done business with them, so I can't really
> vouch for them beyond that).
> 
>- Marco
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2005, at 5:12 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:52:14 -0600, Larry Levy
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> In today's New York Times, I saw J&R advertising the ist DS with
> >> 18-55mm kit
> >> lens for $829. I checked their website and it was $841 after you added
> >> shipping. They are a truly reputable firm I've dealt with over 3
> >> decades.
> >> Their website is:
> >>
> >> http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4003306
> >>
> >> Larry in Dallas
> > Looks like B&H has the same deal.  I've dealt with both companies and
> > have nothing but good things to say about either.
> > --
> > Scott Loveless
> > http://www.twosixteen.com
> >
> >
> 
>

PESO - Raw sex

[m.9.wilson]

Look through your fingers if you're chicken.

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/2740968

8-)

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Re: Re: London PDML update

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/03/14 Mon AM 08:25:05 GMT
> To: "pentax list" 
> Subject: Re: London PDML update
> 
> On 13/3/05, Gianfranco Irlanda, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >> 
> >
> >I'm afraid you have to update the page again and leave out the
> >question mark after Gianfranco +1, because Veronica is coming!
> >Whh!!
> 
> That's excellent news Gianco, I'll update later as I'm dashing off to
> work in a minute.
> 
> >
> >Our schedule:
> >arrival at Stanstead at 1345, probably Airbus to Victoria Coach
> >Station - at 1530-1600 (otherwise Stanstead Express - faster but
> >way more expensive). I'm still not sure if we are going to stay
> >at the Windermere - which is quite close to the Victoria Coach
> >Station; I had already booked a single room at the Penn Club but
> >their double rooms available for those two nights are without
> >private bathroom... :-( I like that small hotel, though.
> 
> Must be an Italian thing! 
> 
> >
> >Where could we meet at 1630-1700 (hopefully earlier)?
> 
> Indeed - if we are going on the London Eye for dusk, it would make sense
> to eat earlier than that rather than later I think, so assuming dinner
> around 7pm near to the Eye, it would be nice to arrange a rendezvous at
> something photogenic in the later afternoon perhaps. Ideas welcome;

London aquarium?

> 
> I'll update the web page with my mobile (cell) phone number, and so we
> can keep in touch by call or text with exactly what's going on, on the
> day. I would hope a firm schedule (though relaxed of course ;-) can be
> worked out beforehand
> 
> More soon...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: LONDON PDML

[Frantisek]

Saturday, March 12, 2005, 1:28:00 AM, Gianfranco wrote:
GI> John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello Cotty,
>> 
>> It seems I've got my dates mixed up.  I'm meant to be in
GI> Prague the  
>> preceding weekend, so 7/8th will be fine and I'm looking
GI> forward to it.

GI> Good! Will you meet Frantisek, then?

Har! I can show John the famous Czech hospitality with pickled sausage
;-))

Seriously, I would love to attend the meeting in London, but probably
won't be able - the business is running low (which means I would have
plenty of time to go there, but no money to go with). OTOH, it might
change so I _may_ turn up there.

John, if you are in Prague, surely contact me. I can show you around
:-)

   fra

Re: PESO - Raw sex

[David Savage]

LOL

Thought it might be something like that.

Dave S
(A little disappointed :-)


On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:22:49 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Look through your fingers if you're chicken.
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/2740968
> 
> 8-)
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Re: PESO - MT. Home

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice shot. In this web version it appears that he detail is reasonably 
good. Good composition.
Paul
On Mar 13, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:

Mt. Home is a big old graveyard across the street and a block down 
from my house. Whenever I go there I leave with Bob Marley's "When my 
work is over" song in my head. Unfortunately, it is a dead graveyard, 
in that they no long let new people move in (or so the folks I know 
who have plots there tell me.)

Anyhow - it's a great place to test lenses and stuff, and in the stuff 
category I picked up an old Ricoflex VII TLR a few days ago, and took 
it out for a test drive.

Here's a shot taken at f5.6 with focus set to infinity. There's isn't 
a sharp line in the frame, but it's not so radical as the Holga or 
some of the other antique cameras I've been fooling with. I figure 
that you only get so many sharp photos allocated to you, so you  may 
as well save them for stuff that needs to be sharp, and let the stuff 
that is bettor being soft, be soft.

Nonetheless, I like the lines and the orderliness here:
http://www.markcassino.com/temp/peso/mt_home.jpg
- MCC
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Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
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Re: PESO: Off to visit Frank

[Paul Stenquist]

Good for you, Frank. Hope you had a nice time.
Paul
On Mar 13, 2005, at 11:03 PM, frank theriault wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:38:21 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Peter. Frank hasn't come out to play this weekend.
Paul
Visiting my kids in Kingston.  I saw Canada Geese there...  
cheers,
frank

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Re: Using the Super Program

[Paul Stenquist]

On Mar 13, 2005, at 9:03 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
.  Best of all, you have TTL flash with an AF280 or AF200T
flash.
And with the very nice and quite powerful AF400T as well.
Paul

Re: 80-200mm 2.8 Lenses Thoughts

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

David Volkert wrote on 13.03.05 9:49:

> I'm looking into buying either the Sigma 70-200mm 2.8 or the Tokina
> 80-200mm 2.8 lens (the Pentax version is way out of my price range).  Do
> any of you have thoughts on either of them?  I shoot alot of action so
> auto focus speed is really important to me.  Thanks for your help,
I tried both on Nikon D70. Tokina has worse sharpness than Sigma at open
apertures and has much higher chromatic aberrations (probably because Tokina
uses just 1 ED element while Sigma 4). And Sigma has much faster AF thanks
to true IF, is lighter despite having very good build quality (not as tough
as Tokina, but much better than any amateur FA zoom, it is more like FA*
zooms) and has more usable petal bayonette type hood (Tokina has screw-in
type AFAIR).

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Paul Stenquist]

I would pay $2500 as well, but I would guess a full-frame camera might 
be more pricey. I'd settle for a 10 megapixel, five frame per second 
APS camera with a huge buffer at that $2500 price point, although I'd 
hope they could get it in at about $2000.
Paul
Paul
On Mar 14, 2005, at 1:55 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:

On 13 Mar 2005 at 21:27, John Celio wrote:
Do you have any idea how much profit Canon makes on their $8,000 
35mm-frame
digital SLRs?  Honestly, I was sworn to secrecy by the Canon rep who 
trained me
on some of their new products last week, but suffice to say, it's a 
large
amount.  None of the other companies make as much of a margin on 
their pro-end
cameras.
John you obviously know all the reps, please please let the Pentax one 
know
that this is the case. I promise I'll pay at least $2500 for a Pentax 
35mm full
frame camera with decent density. I'm sure I'm not alone.


Rob Studdert
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Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: Full Frame DSLR

[Paul Stenquist]

On Mar 14, 2005, at 3:19 AM, Peter Williams wrote:
As far as I'm aware leica have publicly said they are making
a digital "M" camera. It has been delayed due to engineering
issues.
Not to mention bankruptcy and cash flow issues.
Paul

Re: OT: Monitor spares

[Frantisek]

>> Have you tried "will buy broken Iiyama" ad in local computer sale
>> bazaar websites?
>> 
>> sorry for such a dumb answer ;-)

mw> My next port of call.  Want to bet on the liklehood of me ending up with
mw> six broken tranformers? 8-)

;-)

No I wouldn't like to bet against you on that one...

Good light!
   fra

RE: Full Frame DSLR

[Rob Studdert]

On 14 Mar 2005 at 19:19, Peter Williams wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > 
> > Why not check out some reports from users of the Epson R-D1
> 
> I am aware of the Epson R-D1, I thought it might "a good thing"
> till I saw the price it was released at.

If you are Leica owner it's not such a bad price and it is the only option for 
putting all that lovely Leica glass to use.

> As far as I'm aware leica have publicly said they are making
> a digital "M" camera. It has been delayed due to engineering
> issues.

Yes they have suggested that it's in progress (after suggesting initially that 
it wasn't technically feasible) however their credibility has been further 
undermined by the release of the R-D1 and I would suggest that their 
engineering issues are more to do with a misallocation of resources (i.e. Leica 
R Digi-back). I have a great interest as an owner of three expensive Leica M 
ASPH lenses but very low expectations of the company at this stage. And if the 
company doesn't go bust in the interim I'm not convinced whatever they produce 
will be markedly better than the R-D1 and certainly not at such a reasonable 
price point :-)

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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Re: unsubscribe

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Re: unsubscribe

[Jostein]

Almost, Julian.

Just use the [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of the list address.

Jostein

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Re: PESO - Raw sex

[Jostein]

Hehehe.
Daydreams of a buddhist monk?
Jostein

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Look through your fingers if you're chicken.
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/2740968
> 
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Re: Re: OT: Monitor spares

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/03/14 Mon AM 11:37:57 GMT
> To: mike wilson 
> Subject: Re: OT: Monitor spares
> 
> >> Have you tried "will buy broken Iiyama" ad in local computer sale
> >> bazaar websites?
> >> 
> >> sorry for such a dumb answer ;-)
> 
> mw> My next port of call.  Want to bet on the liklehood of me ending up with
> mw> six broken tranformers? 8-)
> 
> ;-)
> 
> No I wouldn't like to bet against you on that one...

Rob S. sent me the address of the local supplier (Thanks, Rob!) but I 
understand that my parts supplier has tried it.  Nevertheless, I will give it a 
go.  Rather annoying that a reasonably expensive piece of kit should die after 
only, erm, seven years and not have spares available for it.  We have a number 
of TV's that are much older and they are still plugging along.

mike
looking for some wood to touch.

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Re: Re: PESO - Raw sex

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/03/14 Mon PM 12:09:34 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO - Raw sex
> 
> 
> Hehehe.
> Daydreams of a buddhist monk?
> Jostein

You've got a filthy mind.  Can I share?

8-)

> 
> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> > Look through your fingers if you're chicken.
> > 
> > http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/2740968
> > 
> > 8-)
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
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RE: PDML Londoners...

[Amita Guha]

> I see there's a gathering happening around the beginning of May. I'll 
> be there, but at the end of May into June. It would be fun to meet up 
> with some folks, I'll have time between May 25 and June 2, I think 
> (still working out the itinerary.
> 
> Godfrey

That's almost exactly when I'll be there! May 24 to May 31granted I'm
not from London ;)

Amita 

Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Mark Roberts]

"Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I promise I'll pay at least $2500 for a Pentax 35mm full 
>frame camera with decent density. I'm sure I'm not alone.

I'd pay $3000. Probably a bit more, if necessary.
I think full-frame at $3000 will be feasible within two years and
probably sooner.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

RE: GESO: The Gates

[Amita Guha]

I know what you mean. I always have a hard time with scans - mine never look
quite as good as my digital photos, even though I spend time tweaking them.
Glad you like the shots!

Amita

> -Original Message-
> From: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:29 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: GESO: The Gates
> 
> 
> Hi Amita
> I like the fisheye shot with the horse Nr. 6 and the dogs on 
> 8 and Nr. 9 too but I think the photos could be much enhanced 
> by tweaking them a bit on the computer. It was not a sunny 
> day, so everything looks a bit gray and flat here for me. The 
> orange color only helps a bit.
> 
> thanks for showing it.
> greetings
> Markus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:36 AM
> >>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >>Subject: GESO: The Gates
> >>
> >>
> >>It took me a while, but I finally got these things scanned:
> >>
> >>http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/434123
> >>
> >>Amita
> >>
> >>
> 
> 

Re: 80-200mm 2.8 Lenses Thoughts

[Frantisek]

SP> I tried both on Nikon D70. Tokina has worse sharpness than Sigma at open
SP> apertures and has much higher chromatic aberrations (probably because Tokina
SP> uses just 1 ED element while Sigma 4). And Sigma has much faster AF thanks
SP> to true IF, is lighter despite having very good build quality (not as tough

I too found out a lot of purple fringes - I attributed it to flare
though. God knows what it was. But remember that the Sigma in Nikon
mount uses HSM - their equivalent of ultrasonic motors. These do make
the focusing a lot faster, especially on a body with weak AF motor
like the D70. I think on Pentax the difference wouldn't
be big?

Good light!
   fra

Re: OT: Monitor spares

[Frantisek]

m9wnc> mike
m9wnc> looking for some wood to touch.

Hey, did that for you just now ;-) Sitting at a true wooden table, not
one of the fake Ikea ones 

Good light!
   fra

Re: 80-200mm 2.8 Lenses Thoughts

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

Frantisek wrote on 14.03.05 13:24:

> I too found out a lot of purple fringes - I attributed it to flare
> though. God knows what it was. But remember that the Sigma in Nikon
> mount uses HSM - their equivalent of ultrasonic motors. These do make
> the focusing a lot faster, especially on a body with weak AF motor
> like the D70. I think on Pentax the difference wouldn't
> be big?
Well, when I was in Italy last year, we have an opportunity with Dario to
test this Sigma head to head on both - D70 and *istD. And to my surprise AF
on Pentax was about as fast as on D70 at least in good light conditions. Of
course Pentax was much noisier and there was no FTM. So I suspect AF with
Tokina would be slower than with Sigma on Pentax.
One more thing. Sigma produces two perfectly matched for 70-200/2.8 APO
teleconverters - 1.4x and 2x. I didn't try them myself, but from what I've
read so far, even 2x TC gives good results, especially on DSLR.

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Re: OT: Monitor spares

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/03/14 Mon PM 12:26:48 GMT
> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
> Subject: Re: OT: Monitor spares
> 
> m9wnc> mike
> m9wnc> looking for some wood to touch.
> 
> Hey, did that for you just now ;-) Sitting at a true wooden table, not
> one of the fake Ikea ones 

8-)

I just reached up.

My computer at work is in a steel cabinet that weighs about 200Kg.

Hope to see you in London, or, if not, in Prague in the summer.

mike

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Re: PESO - Raw sex

[David Savage]

...very nice BTW

DS


On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:59:04 +0800, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOL
> 
> Thought it might be something like that.
> 
> Dave S
> (A little disappointed :-)
> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:22:49 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Look through your fingers if you're chicken.
> >
> > http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/2740968
> >
> > 8-)
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Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Celio" 
Subject: Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)


Come ON, people!  What's the point of a 35mm sensor?  
If you like using wide angle lenses, it certainly helps.
William Robb

Re: Vivitar 28mm f2

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Powell Hargrave"
Subject: RE: Vivitar 28mm f2


At 08:51 AM 13/03/2005 , Don wrote:
Mine's rather large and heavy but quite nice at 5.6 or smaller.
Pretty soft above 4.0.
Not so good.  What's the point of a fast lens if it is too soft 
wide open.
Easier viewing and focussing.
William Robb 

Re: New Price for ist DS

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: New Price for ist DS


So what is the reason for this price drop to US$700?
Is there specific competition at this price point or...
Is Pentax going to introduce something new???
Whats the Rebel D selling for?
William Robb

Re: Full Frame DSLR

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Williams"
Subject: RE: Full Frame DSLR


Maybe it is the answer to the problems though, it will be
interesting to see what Leica come up with for their digital "M".
I think digital M cameras are called "Lumix", and have Panasonic's 
name on them.

William Robb 

Re: unsubscribe

[William Robb]

Not likely.
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Re: Full Frame DSLR

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Williams"
Subject: RE: Full Frame DSLR



Clearly it isn't essential to have a larger mount, Kodak and
Canon have been making full-frame 35mm digitals on their normal
body/mount/lens foundation with varying degrees of success.
Have you looked at an EF mount?
It is not a "normal" sized mount, if you refer to a PK/F/MD/FD sized 
mounts as being "normal".

William Robb 

Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Coming in late on this one.

Canon makes a whack of cash on their full frame DLSR because no one else
makes a full frame DLSR currently, and, the type of people that shoot a
full frame dlsr (because they can afford it) are willing to pay the bucks
for one.

To me, that's simple economics - it's what the market will bear currently
and as such they can make that amount of money on the camera.

No matter how many people clamour; until someone else (i.e. Pentax or Nikon
are probably the closest since Minolta's DLSR was only just released) can
release another full frame DLSR, Canon will continue to make the big bucks
off of theirs since it's "the only game in town".

Cheers
Dave

> On 13 Mar 2005 at 21:27, John Celio wrote:
>
>> Do you have any idea how much profit Canon makes on their $8,000 
>> 35mm-frame
>> digital SLRs?  Honestly, I was sworn to secrecy by the Canon rep who 
>> trained me
>> on some of their new products last week, but suffice to say, it's a 
>> large
>> amount.  None of the other companies make as much of a margin on 
>> their pro-end
>> cameras.


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Re: LONDON PDML

[John Forbes]

Frantisek,
That's a very kind offer.  I've not booked yet, but I'm planning to be in  
Prague betweeen the 25 and 29 April.  If you're in town then I'd love to  
meet up.

John
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:08:15 +0100, Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Saturday, March 12, 2005, 1:28:00 AM, Gianfranco wrote:
GI> John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Cotty,
It seems I've got my dates mixed up.  I'm meant to be in
GI> Prague the
preceding weekend, so 7/8th will be fine and I'm looking
GI> forward to it.
GI> Good! Will you meet Frantisek, then?
Har! I can show John the famous Czech hospitality with pickled sausage
;-))
Seriously, I would love to attend the meeting in London, but probably
won't be able - the business is running low (which means I would have
plenty of time to go there, but no money to go with). OTOH, it might
change so I _may_ turn up there.
John, if you are in Prague, surely contact me. I can show you around
:-)
   fra



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Re: PESO - MT. Home

[Scott Loveless]

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:00:31 -0500, Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Scott -
> 
> Thanks for your comment. Actually, the Ricoflex is a variable focus camera -
> not a fixed lens.  
I suppose what I meant was "non-removable" lens.  I'm sure there is
proper terminology for this, but it eludes me.  The C220 is rather
bulky with the bellows.  The TLR cameras like yours or a Rollei or
some such seem to be a little easier to handle.
>The aperture settings range from f3.5 to f 16 (marked) -
> one website I consulted said that it will actually stop down to f32 (the
> aperture lever does keep moving a good deal after the f16 marking.)  It
> actually was a bit sharper in close up shots - and it can focus down to a
> meter or so...
> 
> Shutter speeds are really limited - bulb and then 1/25 - 1/100.  I can't
> tell if the shutter speeds are continuous like the aperture settings, or if
> they go in steps.  
It sounds like they're supposed to go in steps.
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/erker/ricohflex.html First google result I found.
> 
> It almost makes me want to formally learn the zone system.
Ack.  Spare yourself the insanity.  When I first got my C220, I didn't
have a handheld meter, so I would either guess or carry along the
K1000 (now we're on topic!) for it's built in meter.  Heavy rig.  Not
recommended.


-- 
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http://www.twosixteen.com

Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 14.03.05 15:04:

> Canon makes a whack of cash on their full frame DLSR because no one else
> makes a full frame DLSR currently, and, the type of people that shoot a
> full frame dlsr (because they can afford it) are willing to pay the bucks
> for one.
What about two Kodaks DCS-14 N and C (with Nikon and Canon mount
respectively)? They are FF and are not produced by Canon as one might guess
;-)

> To me, that's simple economics - it's what the market will bear currently
> and as such they can make that amount of money on the camera.
> 
> No matter how many people clamour; until someone else (i.e. Pentax or Nikon
> are probably the closest since Minolta's DLSR was only just released) can
> release another full frame DLSR, Canon will continue to make the big bucks
> off of theirs since it's "the only game in town".
Not the only. See above.
I think the problem with FF is that it is inteneded for professionals only.
As such it is produced in small quantities and that won't help in FF's price
drop anytime soon. Seeing rising popularity of APS-C size sensor based DSLRs
it is almost clear that this smaller factor will be the most popular - just
as 35 mm film became before II WW... FF will be more affordable but still a
niche product. It will be rather like every film format bigger than 35 mm
became - affordable, especially second hand, but not popular and much more
expensive than its smaller cousin.

-- 
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Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: PDML Londoners...

[Billy Abbott]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:18:06 -0500, Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I see there's a gathering happening around the beginning of May. I'll
> > be there, but at the end of May into June. It would be fun to meet up
> > with some folks, I'll have time between May 25 and June 2, I think
> > (still working out the itinerary.
> >
> > Godfrey
> 
> That's almost exactly when I'll be there! May 24 to May 31granted I'm
> not from London ;)
> 
> Amita

I'll be around, seeing as I live here. So if anyone needs someone to
sit in the pub with, even if it is someone who merely lurks on the
PDML, drop me a mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED] would probably be a better
mail than this gmail account...this mailbox is full of PDML mails :)

billy

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Re: PESO - MT. Home

[pnstenquist]

Mark opined:
> > It almost makes me want to formally learn the zone system.
Scott replied:
> Ack.  Spare yourself the insanity.

Anyone who shoots BW film can benefit from learning the zone system. You may 
not use it, but developing an understanding of range, values and how to work 
with them in exposure and development is very useful. This knowledge even 
carries over into digital photography a bit. I was thinking that just the other 
day while using the RAW converter's exposure slider to set the highlights, then 
working on the midtones and shadows. It's all about maximizing your options 
within the latitude of the medium.  One of the best places to learn the zone 
system is from the master himself: Ansel Adams' "The Negative."
Paul

Re: Best all around RAW converter/manager(s)??

[wendy beard]

--- Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> What do I need
> 
> TIA
> Don
> 

Breeze Browser

www.breezesys.com

Wendy

Wendy Beard
Ottawa, Canada

Re: Fwd: Flash with the PZ-1

[Rick Womer]

It's not hard.

1. Select HyM mode.
2. Hit the IF button to set the exposure for the
background (or set it manually; your choice of meter
modes).
3. Pop up the flash (or turn on the flash, if it's
external).
4. The exposure compensation function now controls the
flash, not the background exposure. Adjust as desired.
5. Fire.

Rick

--- Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Neil,
> 
> I'm forwarding your message to the PDML for a better
> answer than I can
> give.  As I said, I don't use flash often with the
> PZ-1.  I put on a
> Pentax flash (FTZ500) and fire away.  I can't say
> that I really know
> how to do synchro-sunlight flash with the camera.  I
> usually fool
> around with the flash on, note what it wants to use
> for aperture, and
> manually set aperture and shutter speed to get
> daylight right.
> 
> (I know it is easier with the PZ-1p because you can
> dial the flash
> down 2 stops for fill-in flash.)
> 
> Don't be afraid to ask the collective wisdom of the
> list how to do
> this.  We all started not knowing and learned along
> the way.  Some
> know more than others, and some know way too much
> ;-)I'm sure
> somebody can help.
> 
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:13:00 +
> Subject: 
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> 
> Hi Bob
> 
> apologies for the direct email - I don't know how
> this group works (only
> just joined.)
> 
> The reason for the mail...
> 
> You say: Flash compensation is easier with the
> PZ-1p, but rarely used by
> me
> 
> I have a Z1 and haven't worked out how to do it. 
> Could you help?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Neil Hopkins
> 
> 



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Re: 80-200mm 2.8 Lenses Thoughts

[Frantisek]

Monday, March 14, 2005, 1:39:46 PM, Sylwester wrote:
SP> Frantisek wrote on 14.03.05 13:24:

>> I too found out a lot of purple fringes - I attributed it to flare
>> though. God knows what it was. But remember that the Sigma in Nikon
>> mount uses HSM - their equivalent of ultrasonic motors. These do make
>> the focusing a lot faster, especially on a body with weak AF motor
>> like the D70. I think on Pentax the difference wouldn't
>> be big?
SP> Well, when I was in Italy last year, we have an opportunity with Dario to
SP> test this Sigma head to head on both - D70 and *istD. And to my surprise AF
SP> on Pentax was about as fast as on D70 at least in good light conditions. Of

Interesting :-) So much about the hype of ultrasonic motors. They can
do just as well with normal ones.

Good light!
   fra

RE: I have a wobbly monitor!

[wendy beard]

--- Tan and Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyways, the graphire 3 tablet is USB,
> but I have this weird
> phenomena happening that everytime I plug it into
> the USB port, it shuts my
> puter down!  

My HP printer has started shutting my computer down
every time I plug it in. It's a worldwide peripheral
conspirancy!
Stupid thing is, it worked quite happily for 6 months.
Then one day I unplugged it to use the USB cable on my
scanner. When I plugged it back in "boom" computer
goes into a continuous re-boot cycle!

W.

Wendy Beard
Ottawa, Canada

How do you long glass guys mount them

[brooksdj]

  Ok, i'm sure i've overlooked a simple thing, but, how do you mount 
those long
pieces of glass 
using the lens tripod collar.
I was able to mount the Sigma 300 F2 and the istD on my monopod with ball head 
and quick
release no 
problem,as the istD body is a lot smaller than the D2H(see Nikon vs Pentax 
thread)
When i tried to mount the Sigma 170-500 to the monopod and tripod the body(D2H) 
got in the
way of 
the release switch. I tried mounting the lens,then the camera,but all that got 
me was dust
on my sensor 
and it would not mount to the lens mount on the camera .

Any suggestions. Is there a certain type of head for these things.?
I'm sure i'm missing something obvious here.

BTW both of these lenses are quite nice. The 300F4 focuses quite fast on the 
istD. On
screen the 
shots i took look good,but a print will tell.
The 170-500 is actually not bad for hand holding/panning. I did use the truck 
and fence
posts for 
stability.Now to decide if i should go zoom or look for a 400 for the D2h.

Dave

Re: Using the Super Program

[D. Glenn Arthur Jr.]

Not so much helpful instruction, since others have already provided
that; just an observation about the Super Program.

When I got mine, I noticed that it did a lot of things and figured
I'd better read the manual.  On page after page, the manual mostly
told me, "If you do this, the camera will do exactly what you'd
think it would do if you did this.  It's a really well designed 
user interface -- intuitive, easy to learn, and easy to use.  (Note
that the last two are non synonymous -- there are many devices or
systems which are easy to learn but cumbersome to do anything
useful with because the only way to use them is to act like a 
novice all the time (the Pine mailer for example, or my Motorola
cell phone), and similarly plenty of examples of things that are 
delightfully easy to use -- and powerful tools -- once you learn 
them but take a while to learn to that level (e.g., the vi text 
editor, or a high-end audio mixer).  Because problem domains 
differ, not all types of tools _can_ hit both of those targets
simultaneously, but even in domains where it's possible, too few 
tools actually manage to pull it off.  The Super Program is an
example of a tool that does.

As I recall, there were one or two bits that I had to read the
manual for or ask about here, and flash compensation is only
"obvious" once you've already learned it (and IIRC not described
in the manual -- it's also the one clumsy operatin on that body), 
but ISTR that a lot of the things I felt the need to look up 
amounted to, "It can't possibly just be a matter of ...  oh, it is.  
Huh."  I'll try to remember what things I actually needed to _learn_ 
rather than just be reassured about (maybe I asked a question here 
and can find it in my archive), but it's so good on the easy-to-use 
front that it becomes hard to remember what it was that confused 
you once you've gotten your answer.

Although I'm in the "hate setting the shutter speed with the 
darned buttons" camp, I loved the Super Program and hope to 
replace it someday (it's one of the bodies that got stolen).
It's not _that_ awkward to use manually except in comparison
to a KX or K2, as long as you're not wearing winter gloves (in
which case the buttons are nearly impossible); I'm just spoiled
by having had those other cameras handy.  (That said, I wouldn't
suggest the Super Program to someone who will shoot in manual
mode most of the time, unless they love the buttons, but if you're
going to use the other modes a lot and only occassionally go 
manual, or if you have a K2 or a KX to switch to when you know
you're going to want manual, the Super Program is about as easy
as it gets for something with that many features.)


And now for a comparison that will make absolutely no sense to
most people but make one or two of you go "Ah!":

Y'know, in some ways the user interface of the Super Program 
reminds me of learning VAX assembly language.  "Wouldn't it be 
nifty if I could combine this addressing mode with ...  oh wait, 
I can, and it does exactly what it ought to.  Huh.  What kind of 
weird-ass CPU is this that I don't have to memorize a bunch of 
"you can't do that to this register" rules?"  And finding out 
how flash compensation works on the Super Program reminds me of 
looking at the hexadecimal machine code on the VAX and realizing 
that the "immediate" addressing mode was implemented in the 
hardware as "auto-increment indirect using the program counter".

-- Glenn

Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 14.03.05 15:04:

> Canon makes a whack of cash on their full frame DLSR because no one else
> makes a full frame DLSR currently, and, the type of people that shoot a
> full frame dlsr (because they can afford it) are willing to pay the bucks
> for one.
What about two Kodaks DCS-14 N and C (with Nikon and Canon mount
respectively)? They are FF and are not produced by Canon as one might guess
;-)

> To me, that's simple economics - it's what the market will bear currently
> and as such they can make that amount of money on the camera.
> 
> No matter how many people clamour; until someone else (i.e. Pentax or Nikon
> are probably the closest since Minolta's DLSR was only just released) can
> release another full frame DLSR, Canon will continue to make the big bucks
> off of theirs since it's "the only game in town".
Not the only. See above.
I think the problem with FF is that it is inteneded for professionals only.
As such it is produced in small quantities and that won't help in FF's price
drop anytime soon. Seeing rising popularity of APS-C size sensor based DSLRs
it is almost clear that this smaller factor will be the most popular - just
as 35 mm film became before II WW... FF will be more affordable but still a
niche product. It will be rather like every film format bigger than 35 mm
became - affordable, especially second hand, but not popular and much more
expensive than its smaller cousin.

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

RE: GESO: The Gates

[Rick Womer]

Amita,

I just opened my slides of The Gates yesterday, and
most of them went into the bin.  It was hard to shoot!
 You did much better than I.

As art, yes, it was silly; but it drew thousands of
people to stroll in Central Park when they otherwise
would have been sitting on their backsides.  As an
event, it was a huge success.

I had a scenery/landscape/art mindset when I shot it,
but I probably would have done much better with a
"street" mindset.  I've done very little of that sort
of shooting, though.

Rick


--- Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know what you mean. I always have a hard time with
> scans - mine never look
> quite as good as my digital photos, even though I
> spend time tweaking them.
> Glad you like the shots!
> 
> Amita
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:29 AM
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: RE: GESO: The Gates
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Amita
> > I like the fisheye shot with the horse Nr. 6 and
> the dogs on 
> > 8 and Nr. 9 too but I think the photos could be
> much enhanced 
> > by tweaking them a bit on the computer. It was not
> a sunny 
> > day, so everything looks a bit gray and flat here
> for me. The 
> > orange color only helps a bit.
> > 
> > thanks for showing it.
> > greetings
> > Markus
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:36 AM
> > >>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > >>Subject: GESO: The Gates
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>It took me a while, but I finally got these
> things scanned:
> > >>
> > >>http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/434123
> > >>
> > >>Amita
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
> > 
> 
> 



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Sigma 12-24

[keller.schaefer]

I have read this (very positive) review of the Sigma 12-24 zoom

http://194.100.88.243/petteri/pont/Reviews/a_Sigma_12-24_f4.5-5.6/a_Sigma_EX_12-24_f4.5-5.6.html

and I wonder if anybody here has tried this lens?

Thanks & Regards,

Sven

M 400/5.6 vs. K 500/4.5

[Alin Flaider]

  I had the opportunity to check several frames shot with the 500 by
  my friend. It has significant CA especially wide open and the
  resolution gets acceptable only stopped down beyond f/8. Can anybody
  comment over the M 400/5.6? Is it better wide open? Please don't
  mention the A, Tokina or Sigma whatever, there's a window of
  opportunity just for the M.
  Many thanks.

  Servus, Alin

Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Alin Flaider]

  Just for Pentax to get the right idea of its customer base
  distribution, I'll pay no more than 1000e for a full frame, 10 MP
  DSLR, with an optical viewfinder no worse than MZ-5N and DS like
  built.
  I suppose we'll never see one, not from Pentax, nor from anyone
  else. In this price bracket all we'll get in two years will be
  noisier 10 MP APS sporting electronic viewfinders. Oh well.
 
  Servus,  Alin

Mark wrote:
MR> "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>I promise I'll pay at least $2500 for a Pentax 35mm full 
>>frame camera with decent density. I'm sure I'm not alone.

MR> I'd pay $3000. Probably a bit more, if necessary.
MR> I think full-frame at $3000 will be feasible within two years and
MR> probably sooner.

Re: Re: Fwd: Flash with the PZ-1

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/03/14 Mon PM 03:01:06 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Flash with the PZ-1
> 
> It's not hard.
> 

(Assuming you have the lens set on an aperture other than "A")
> 1. Select HyM mode.
> 2. Hit the IF button to set the exposure for the
> background (or set it manually; your choice of meter
> modes).

> 3. Pop up the flash (or turn on the flash, if it's
> external).
> 4. The exposure compensation function now controls the
> flash, not the background exposure. Adjust as desired.
> 5. Fire.
> 
> Rick
> 
> --- Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Neil,
> > 
> > I'm forwarding your message to the PDML for a better
> > answer than I can
> > give.  As I said, I don't use flash often with the
> > PZ-1.  I put on a
> > Pentax flash (FTZ500) and fire away.  I can't say
> > that I really know
> > how to do synchro-sunlight flash with the camera.  I
> > usually fool
> > around with the flash on, note what it wants to use
> > for aperture, and
> > manually set aperture and shutter speed to get
> > daylight right.
> > 
> > (I know it is easier with the PZ-1p because you can
> > dial the flash
> > down 2 stops for fill-in flash.)
> > 
> > Don't be afraid to ask the collective wisdom of the
> > list how to do
> > this.  We all started not knowing and learned along
> > the way.  Some
> > know more than others, and some know way too much
> > ;-)I'm sure
> > somebody can help.
> > 
> > Regards,  Bob S.
> > 
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:13:00 +
> > Subject: 
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > 
> > Hi Bob
> > 
> > apologies for the direct email - I don't know how
> > this group works (only
> > just joined.)
> > 
> > The reason for the mail...
> > 
> > You say: Flash compensation is easier with the
> > PZ-1p, but rarely used by
> > me
> > 
> > I have a Z1 and haven't worked out how to do it. 
> > Could you help?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Neil Hopkins
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
>   
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Re: PESO - Portrait

[Steve Desjardins]

The background is good.  Is this the curves tool you were using or
something else.  I must explain that I still use Micrografx Picture
Publisher and am still learning PS equivalents.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/13/05 3:41 PM >>>
Just got to looking at this thread. I liked what Shel did too, but I 
preferred the full frame composition as you originally had it. I 
thought it might look nice with the background defocused and pushed 
down in value a bit ...
   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/try1gdg.jpg 

Eh, it's fun to try different things. :-)

Godfrey

On Mar 13, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote:

> Thanks to all who replied.  I like this combination the best.
>
>
> Steven Desjardins
> Department of Chemistry
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450
> (540) 458-8873
> FAX: (540) 458-8878
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/11/05 12:17 PM >>>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Here's a Q&D adjustment using gaussian blur on the fireplace grate
and
> a
> somewhat tighter crop.  The area around the hair could be a lot
better,
> but
> all you wanted was an idea, right.  Bill's crop, while a good
option,
> eliminates the background fire, which, imo, adds a nice, warm touch
to
> the
> portrait.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/try1a.jpg 
>
> Shel
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Steve Desjardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Q:  I find the metal top of the fireplace distracting.  I can't see
> to
>> fix ti with just cropping.  Any other suggestions?
>>
>> http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardins/ 
>>
>
>

Re: Re: Using the Super Program

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: "D. Glenn Arthur Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> And finding out 
> how flash compensation works on the Super Program reminds me of 
> looking at the hexadecimal machine code on the VAX and realizing 
> that the "immediate" addressing mode was implemented in the 
> hardware as "auto-increment indirect using the program counter".

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Re: 80-200mm 2.8 Lenses Thoughts

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

Frantisek wrote on 14.03.05 16:10:

> Interesting :-) So much about the hype of ultrasonic motors. They can
> do just as well with normal ones.
Yes, it seems so. Maybe the difference could be seen more clearly when we'd
compare bigger lenses with heavier mass to move? For me the only good side
of using ultrasonic lens is its quietness and possibility of FTM (althought
it is possible in Pentax DA lenses now too). Of course quietness of the lens
means nothing if you have loud camera like EOS 20D - I really don't know why
Canon has downgraded perfectly damped mirror from 10D :-( Costs cutting???

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

Resend: Fill Flash with PZ-1 reply

[Rick Womer]

Re: Fwd: Flash with the PZ-1
Rick Womer
Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:02:05 -0800

Something is eating list email again.
--

It's not hard to compensate fill flash with the PZ-1.

1. Select HyM mode.
2. Hit the IF button to set the exposure for the
background (or set it manually; your choice of meter
modes).
3. Pop up the flash (or turn on the flash, if it's
external).
4. The exposure compensation function now controls the
flash, not the background exposure. Adjust as desired.
5. Fire.

Rick





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Re: A short DSLR users survey

[Steve Desjardins]

I expected to use much less than half, and I have essentially stopped
using film.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
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Re: How do you long glass guys mount them

[Kenneth Waller]

If you're talking about an Arca Swiss type quick release system, it sounds like 
you need a longer mounting plate (that attaches to the lens tripod collar) that 
can slide in the quick release receiver, effectively moving the lens mount 
forward ahead of the camera body. 
If you're talking about a Bogen type quick release mount, I'm not sure what 
options you have.

Kenneth Waller

in the quick release system you're using.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mar 14, 2005 5:12 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: How do you long glass guys mount them


  Ok, i'm sure i've overlooked a simple thing, but, how do you mount 
those long
pieces of glass 
using the lens tripod collar.
I was able to mount the Sigma 300 F2 and the istD on my monopod with ball head 
and quick
release no 
problem,as the istD body is a lot smaller than the D2H(see Nikon vs Pentax 
thread)
When i tried to mount the Sigma 170-500 to the monopod and tripod the body(D2H) 
got in the
way of 
the release switch. I tried mounting the lens,then the camera,but all that got 
me was dust
on my sensor 
and it would not mount to the lens mount on the camera .

Any suggestions. Is there a certain type of head for these things.?
I'm sure i'm missing something obvious here.

BTW both of these lenses are quite nice. The 300F4 focuses quite fast on the 
istD. On
screen the 
shots i took look good,but a print will tell.
The 170-500 is actually not bad for hand holding/panning. I did use the truck 
and fence
posts for 
stability.Now to decide if i should go zoom or look for a 400 for the D2h.

Dave





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Re: How do you long glass guys mount them

[Tom Reese]

Dave asked:
"Ok, i'm sure i've overlooked a simple thing, but, how do you mount 
those long pieces of glass using the lens tripod collar."

I use the Bogen 3421 bracket:
http://www.adorama.com/BG3421.html?searchinfo=Bogen%203421&item_no=2
It's a lot cheaper than a Wimberly and it's functional enough for my use.
Tom Reese

Re: PESO - Raw sex

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/14/2005 2:29:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Look through your fingers if you're chicken.

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/2740968

8-)
===
Hehehehe.  Here I was all ready to shut my eyes quickly.

Nice shot, BTW. Good composition, nice color. 

And certainly a more catchy title, than "Yet Another D Flower."

Marnie ;-)

Re: Full Frame DSLR

[Shel Belinkoff]

Nope ... The "Lumix" and the Leica version of it are fixed lens cameras,
using a zoom lens designed by Leica, and are not rangefinder focusing
cameras.  The digital M is supposed to be a body similar to the Epson RD1
which takes interchangeable Leica and other brand lenses.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 3/14/2005 6:05:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Full Frame DSLR
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Peter Williams"
> Subject: RE: Full Frame DSLR
>
>
>
> > Maybe it is the answer to the problems though, it will be
> > interesting to see what Leica come up with for their digital "M".
>
> I think digital M cameras are called "Lumix", and have Panasonic's 
> name on them.
>
> William Robb 
>

Re: Using the Super Program

[Mat Maessen]

I'm not sure which is scarier. The fact that you actually MADE that
comparison, or the fact that I understood it completely.

-Mat

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:16:36 -0500 (EST), D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Y'know, in some ways the user interface of the Super Program
> reminds me of learning VAX assembly language.  "Wouldn't it be
> nifty if I could combine this addressing mode with ...  oh wait,
> I can, and it does exactly what it ought to.  Huh.  What kind of
> weird-ass CPU is this that I don't have to memorize a bunch of
> "you can't do that to this register" rules?"  And finding out
> how flash compensation works on the Super Program reminds me of
> looking at the hexadecimal machine code on the VAX and realizing
> that the "immediate" addressing mode was implemented in the
> hardware as "auto-increment indirect using the program counter".

RE: Using the Super Program(Flash Comp)

[Don Sanderson]

Glenn, can you describe flash compensation on the camera?
I 'think' I know how but would like to hear whether there's
a better way.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:17 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Using the Super Program


> As I recall, there were one or two bits that I had to read the
> manual for or ask about here, and flash compensation is only
> "obvious" once you've already learned it (and IIRC not described
> in the manual -- it's also the one clumsy operatin on that body), 
> but ISTR that a lot of the things I felt the need to look up 
> amounted to, "It can't possibly just be a matter of ...  oh, it is.  
> Huh."  I'll try to remember what things I actually needed to _learn_ 
> rather than just be reassured about (maybe I asked a question here 
> and can find it in my archive), but it's so good on the easy-to-use 
> front that it becomes hard to remember what it was that confused 
> you once you've gotten your answer.


>   -- Glenn
> 

Re: Using the Super Program

[Joe Wilensky]

So what is the "obvious" flash compensation? I assume use manual 
mode, but dial in exposure compensation and then use the meter to 
reach -1 instead of +-0 ?

I have also used flash on auto instead of TTL and just dialed the 
f-stop to a stop or two smaller than the flash figured I was using. 
Of course, that often bumps into the flash synch speed.

Joe

 and flash compensation is only
"obvious" once you've already learned it (and IIRC not described
in the manual -- it's also the one clumsy operatin on that body),

  And finding out
how flash compensation works on the Super Program reminds me of
looking at the hexadecimal machine code on the VAX and realizing
that the "immediate" addressing mode was implemented in the
hardware as "auto-increment indirect using the program counter".
	-- Glenn

Re: Using the Super Program

[brooksdj]

Tom VV explained to moi a few years ago that the compensation can be done using 
the wheel
on the 
left side of the camera.I dont have mine with me at the office,but he suggested 
that
moving the wheel 
from the standard 1X position gave the compensation.

Dave 

> So what is the "obvious" flash 
compensation? I 
assume use manual 
> mode, but dial in exposure compensation and then use the meter to 
> reach -1 instead of +-0 ?
> 
> I have also used flash on auto instead of TTL and just dialed the 
> f-stop to a stop or two smaller than the flash figured I was using. 
> Of course, that often bumps into the flash synch speed.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> >  and flash compensation is only
> >"obvious" once you've already learned it (and IIRC not described
> >in the manual -- it's also the one clumsy operatin on that body),
> 
> 
> >   And finding out
> >how flash compensation works on the Super Program reminds me of
> >looking at the hexadecimal machine code on the VAX and realizing
> >that the "immediate" addressing mode was implemented in the
> >hardware as "auto-increment indirect using the program counter".
> >
> > -- Glenn
> 
> 

Re: How do you long glass guys mount them

[brooksdj]

Hi Ken.

I have the Manfrotto 486 RC2 ball head on the monopod and i have a Manfrotto 
pan head,
390RC on the 
company tripod(that see's more time at my house lately than at the office:-))

Yes i think i need more room between the mount and body. About 1/2" should do 
it.

Dave

> If you're talking about an Arca Swiss type 
quick 
release system, it sounds like you need a
longer mounting plate (that attaches to the lens tripod collar) that can slide 
in the
quick release receiver, effectively moving the lens mount forward ahead of the 
camera
body. 
> If you're talking about a Bogen type quick release mount, I'm not sure what 
> options you
have.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> 
> in the quick release system you're using.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Mar 14, 2005 5:12 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: How do you long glass guys mount them
> 
>   
>   Ok, i'm sure i've overlooked a simple thing, but, how do you mount 
> those long
> pieces of glass 
> using the lens tripod collar.
> I was able to mount the Sigma 300 F2 and the istD on my monopod with ball 
> head and quick
> release no 
> problem,as the istD body is a lot smaller than the D2H(see Nikon vs Pentax 
> thread)
> When i tried to mount the Sigma 170-500 to the monopod and tripod the 
> body(D2H) got in
the

> way of 
> the release switch. I tried mounting the lens,then the camera,but all that 
> got me was
dust

> on my sensor 
> and it would not mount to the lens mount on the camera .
> 
> Any suggestions. Is there a certain type of head for these things.?
> I'm sure i'm missing something obvious here.
> 
> BTW both of these lenses are quite nice. The 300F4 focuses quite fast on the 
> istD. On
> screen the 
> shots i took look good,but a print will tell.
> The 170-500 is actually not bad for hand holding/panning. I did use the truck 
> and fence
> posts for 
> stability.Now to decide if i should go zoom or look for a 400 for the D2h.
> 
> Dave  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

Re: Sigma 12-24

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 14, 2005, at 7:30 AM, keller.schaefer wrote:
I have read this (very positive) review of the Sigma 12-24 zoom
http://194.100.88.243/petteri/pont/Reviews/a_Sigma_12-24_f4.5-5.6/ 
a_Sigma_EX_12-24_f4.5-5.6.html
and I wonder if anybody here has tried this lens?
Interesting that you bring this up this morning ... I was out on my  
walk this morning with the DA14/2.8.

The review was very positive in tone, but reading it I get the  
impression that the Sigma performs best when well stopped down, and  
that it's performance on 24x36mm format left something to be desired. I  
doubt it's any real match for the quality of the DA14 at f/2.8 (quite  
good) or f/4-5.6 (excellent), and it's quite a bit bigger and heavier.  
The flexibility of the zoom range is useful, I guess, but I'll take the  
lighter, better resolving, faster DA14mm on the *ist DS.

Godfrey

Re: OT:Photographers jokes

[John Mullan]

What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend?Homeless.
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" 
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: OT:Photographers jokes


On 13/3/05, D. Glenn Arthur Jr., discombobulated, unleashed:
(Now if folks want musician jokes, I've got a large store
of those.  Lucky for y'all I'm way too tired to speculate
on the reason musicians tell a lot of musician jokes but
none of us seem to know a lot of photographer jokes.  Two
concerts in one day (one outdoors in the cold) and not
enough sleep the night before:  I'm exhausted and various
parts of me hurt.  But we had a really good audience for
the second concert (and can't really complain about the
audience for the first one) and people seemed happy to 
finally get their hands on our long-overdue second album.)
How do you know the stage is level?
The drool seeps out of both corners of the drummer's mouth.

Cheers,
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Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

heh.. I recalled the Kodak beasts but seeing as how Kodak tends to be
focussing their energies and funds in other areas I don't think they'll be
continuing to produce DSLRs in the future. This, of course, is all just
pure speculation on my part. 

The one thing that I always wonder about threads like this one is how some
Pentax users - or at least the folks on the PDML - always want the silk
purse for the price of the sow's ear ;-)  

Don't get me wrong; if anyone came out with a $2000 USD full frame DSLR,
I'd take a good long look at it but I just don't think that it's going to
happen soon - so I make do with what I have - and stock more wide angle
lenses to accomodate :)

Cheers
Dave

Original Message:
-
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:17:27 +0100
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 14.03.05 15:04:

> Canon makes a whack of cash on their full frame DLSR because no one else
> makes a full frame DLSR currently, and, the type of people that shoot a
> full frame dlsr (because they can afford it) are willing to pay the bucks
> for one.
What about two Kodaks DCS-14 N and C (with Nikon and Canon mount
respectively)? They are FF and are not produced by Canon as one might guess
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Re: New Price for ist DS

[Peter J. Alling]

Canon has.  The EOS 350D  (I can't remember the Stupid US Rebel name), 
replaces the 300D in that price range and the 300D remains in the line 
at a new lower price.  Pentax dropped the price of the *ist-Ds to match 
the price of it's direct competition.  It's a relatively good move and 
unlike Canon who can make markets, Pentax has to react.  Who knows maybe 
Canon was actually reacting to the *ist-Ds with the 350D.  Companies 
that are nearing monopolistic power _fear_ competition, just look at 
Microsoft for example.

Bob Sullivan wrote:
So what is the reason for this price drop to US$700?
Is there specific competition at this price point or...
Is Pentax going to introduce something new???
Regards,  Bob S.
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:26:50 -0800, Marco Alpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Buydig.com currently has the kit for $795.89 and the body only for
$698.79, both with free (presumably domestic-only) shipping.
I ordered mine from them last month and all went smoothly (although
it's the only time I've done business with them, so I can't really
vouch for them beyond that).
  - Marco
On Mar 10, 2005, at 5:12 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
   

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:52:14 -0600, Larry Levy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

In today's New York Times, I saw J&R advertising the ist DS with
18-55mm kit
lens for $829. I checked their website and it was $841 after you added
shipping. They are a truly reputable firm I've dealt with over 3
decades.
Their website is:
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4003306
Larry in Dallas
   

Looks like B&H has the same deal.  I've dealt with both companies and
have nothing but good things to say about either.
--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com
 

   


 


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Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Keith Whaley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
> The one thing that I always wonder about threads like this one is how 
some
> Pentax users - or at least the folks on the PDML - always want the silk
> purse for the price of the sow's ear ;-)

And why not, Sir?
I mean, when you consider that some of the literally finest lenses in 
history were Takumar and Pentax lenses, and they can be had today for 
such a small fraction of their original sale price, or better yet, a 
miniscule fraction of their inflation-adjusted price in today's 
market... indeed, why not?

Look at the fantastic little Super Tak 35mm f/3.5, the Super Tak 50mm 
f/1.4, the Super Tak 55mm f/1.8, and so many others. These were proven 
to be the equal of or superior to many of the adjudged world's best 
performing lenses of their day, and today look what we can buy them for!
And that ignores the Pentax- and Pentax-A branded lenses that offer 
similar values.

Peanuts!
Heck, that's one of the reasons Pentax has a problem with their lens 
sales and such... their finely crafted older bodies last so long, and 
their most excellent lenses are so comparatively cheap... who needs to 
buy new?

keith whaley
> Don't get me wrong; if anyone came out with a $2000 USD full frame DSLR,
> I'd take a good long look at it but I just don't think that it's going to
> happen soon - so I make do with what I have - and stock more wide angle
> lenses to accomodate :)
>
> Cheers
> Dave
[...]

Re: unsubscribe

[Peter J. Alling]

Oh, not again.  You'd think if someone could figure out how to subscribe 
they could figure out how to unsubscribe.

Julian Rowand wrote:


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During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO - Raw sex

[Peter J. Alling]

Nice shot, but disappointing...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Full Frame DSLR

[Peter J. Alling]

I think they've released one or two with Leica's name on them as well, 
(but the sure looked like Panasonics).

William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Peter Williams"
Subject: RE: Full Frame DSLR

Maybe it is the answer to the problems though, it will be
interesting to see what Leica come up with for their digital "M".

I think digital M cameras are called "Lumix", and have Panasonic's 
name on them.

William Robb


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During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Full Frame DSLR

[Shel Belinkoff]

But they are not the "digital M."

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I think they've released one or two with Leica's name on them as well, 
> (but the sure looked like Panasonics).
>
> William Robb wrote:
>
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Peter Williams"
> > Subject: RE: Full Frame DSLR
> >
> >
> >
> >> Maybe it is the answer to the problems though, it will be
> >> interesting to see what Leica come up with for their digital "M".
> >
> >
> > I think digital M cameras are called "Lumix", and have Panasonic's 
> > name on them.
> >
> > William Robb
> >
> >
>
>
> -- 
> I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
> During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
> and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during
peacetime.
>   --P.J. O'Rourke
>

Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Peter J. Alling]

Kodak made a hash of their full frame SLR to start with, and they are 
still suffering for it.  Even though
they completely re-engineered them and offered to upgrade all earlier 
models to the new standard,
essentially for free, and sell them for 1/2 the price of a Canon.  Most 
photographers I talk to dismiss them
as crap, it's not fare but that's the way it is.  So Canon ignores them. 

Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 14.03.05 15:04:
 

Canon makes a whack of cash on their full frame DLSR because no one else
makes a full frame DLSR currently, and, the type of people that shoot a
full frame dlsr (because they can afford it) are willing to pay the bucks
for one.
   

What about two Kodaks DCS-14 N and C (with Nikon and Canon mount
respectively)? They are FF and are not produced by Canon as one might guess
;-)
 

To me, that's simple economics - it's what the market will bear currently
and as such they can make that amount of money on the camera.
No matter how many people clamour; until someone else (i.e. Pentax or Nikon
are probably the closest since Minolta's DLSR was only just released) can
release another full frame DLSR, Canon will continue to make the big bucks
off of theirs since it's "the only game in town".
   

Not the only. See above.
I think the problem with FF is that it is inteneded for professionals only.
As such it is produced in small quantities and that won't help in FF's price
drop anytime soon. Seeing rising popularity of APS-C size sensor based DSLRs
it is almost clear that this smaller factor will be the most popular - just
as 35 mm film became before II WW... FF will be more affordable but still a
niche product. It will be rather like every film format bigger than 35 mm
became - affordable, especially second hand, but not popular and much more
expensive than its smaller cousin.
 


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London PDML update Mar 14

[Cotty]

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RE: PESO - Raw sex

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Mike
lovely warm colour, helps making it through the last winter days here :-)
Tomorrow, spring weather starts here finally!
(I was courageous and tried looking without my fingers)
greetings
Markus



>>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:22:49 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > Look through your fingers if you're chicken.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/2740968
>>> >
>>> > 8-)

Re: A short DSLR users survey

[Dave Kennedy]

Only had my DS for about a month, but: (see below). 


> 
> For those DSLR users with 35mm gear who thought before buying their DSLR that
> their 35mm film usage would:
> 
>Remain the same?
>Be halved?
>Become occasional?
>Become specific (i.e. B&W only or high ISO or slide only)?
>Cease all together?

Picked up the film body once since getting the DS. Pressed the shutter
once.  The PZ-1 did feel real nice in the hands tho.

> 
> Did your subsequent actual film use match your prior expectations?
> 

Too early to say. 

> For users who had Pentax SLRs prior to purchasing a Pentax DSLR did you end up
> buying one or more new lenses specifically to suite the DSLR?
> 

Got the standard kit lens with the body. Nothing else yet, tho I may
end up making some lens inventory adjustments in the not-too-distant
future.

> Cheers,


Thanx

Re: Full Frame DSLR

[Cotty]

On 14/3/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Have you looked at an EF mount?
>It is not a "normal" sized mount, if you refer to a PK/F/MD/FD sized 
>mounts as being "normal".

This is true. I have seen smaller road tunnels through the Norwegian fjords.




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Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Cotty]

On 13/3/05, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Come ON, people!

I am not a people, I am a person.




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Re: unsubscribe

[Keith Whaley]

Peter J. Alling wrote:
Oh, not again.  You'd think if someone could figure out how to subscribe 
they could figure out how to unsubscribe.

Julian Rowand wrote:
Julian Rowand
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Why would you assume that? Not everyone in the world is as sharp as you 
and I are, Peter Alling.

How much trouble would it be for the owner-managers of this site to 
automatically append the following sentence at the bottom of each message?

"To unsubscribe from the PDML you need to send a message with the
word  "unsubscribe" as the Subject to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' "
No, everyone is having too much fun playing with those unfortunates who, 
for some unfathomable reason, want out.

It would avoid having to type, "Oh no, not again!" all the time, 
wouldn't it?
Or maybe not.

Oh well.
keith whaley

Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Cotty]

On 13/3/05, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Do you know how many morons I 
>have to deal with at work on a daily basis, who think Canon is the Lord God 
>Almighty of cameras just because their friends told them so, or because they 
>read it on some photo forum somewhere?

I had a vision, it came to me in the night. Thoughtfully, I was naked.




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Re: London PDML update Mar 14

[Peter J. Alling]

What's the good of belonging to a secret society if you keep advertising...
Cotty wrote:


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Re: London PDML update

[Cotty]

>> Indeed - if we are going on the London Eye for dusk, it would make sense
>> to eat earlier than that rather than later I think, so assuming dinner
>> around 7pm near to the Eye, it would be nice to arrange a rendezvous at
>> something photogenic in the later afternoon perhaps. Ideas welcome;

On 14/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>London aquarium?

Nice. Keep it flowing.




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Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Peter J. Alling]

Cotty wrote:
On 13/3/05, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed:
 

Do you know how many morons I 
have to deal with at work on a daily basis, who think Canon is the Lord God 
Almighty of cameras just because their friends told them so, or because they 
read it on some photo forum somewhere?
   

I had a vision, it came to me in the night. Thoughtfully, I was naked.
 

Now this is just too much information...

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	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Graywolf]

Something you and, I guess, many others on this list do not seem to know is that 
Pentax is probably the largest, yes I said the largest, independent camera 
manufacturer in the business today. Yes there are bigger camera manufacturer's 
but they are parts of conglomerates. Pentax has historically and traditionally 
spent a higher proportion of their budget on research and development than 
almost anyone else in the industry. In fact R&D is traditionally their primary 
product. They even often sell exclusive rights to competitors. You probably can 
not buy a modern camera that is not using Pentax developed technology in it. 
Including your ultra sophisticated Canons.

One of the problems Pentax has with high-end digital cameras is being dependent 
upon outside supplier's quotas for critical parts. That can kind of limit their 
production. That probably was why the istD was in such short supply, I know for 
a fact they sold them faster than they could produce them. I understand the 
istDS is selling as fast as they come off the line also, despite the fact the 
production is many times what it was for the istD.

I reported a rumor about a year ago that Pentax was looking to aquire their own 
FAB capability. This is probably for the reasons mentioned above. First they 
showed the MZ-D prototype, Pentax has seldom publicly shown a prototype before 
that they did not produce. Second, production of the istD was far more limited 
than they wanted it to be. Those two things in themselves are enough of a reason 
to want their own production capability. Medical imaging has gone digital too. 
Limitations in that area will hurt them financially more than it would in camera 
production. I now think the rumor was more solid than it seemed when I first 
reported it.

Film P&S cameras are dead. Digital P&S has low profit margins, and have 
competition everywhere from cellular telephones to toy manufactures. If Pentax 
is going to remain viable in the consumer camera business they have to move 
solidly into the DSLR business. That means they have to have a high-end camera 
as well as several low-end cameras. The days when they could get by with one 
mid-range camera and a stripped down lost leader based upon it (1960's) are long 
gone. However, cameras, are not and never have been their bread and butter (look 
around your doctors office sometime), so we can expect them to be around for 
awhile even if the make some mistakes. Although even I admit they are not the 
same company the were in the 60's, 70's, and early 80's. Too many management 
types instead of engineering types running it now.

BTW, Leica, Hasselblad, Linhof, & Rollei cameras are no longer made by the 
original manufactures. Leica, Hasselblad, and Linhof are made by companies set 
up by enthusiasts to continue production, and Rollei is made by Samsung a Korean 
Government owned industry. So in the real world they are already dead. In the 
current manufactures go under they will finally be buried as well.

graywolf
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Re: London PDML update Mar 14

[Cotty]

On 14/3/05, Peter J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>What's the good of belonging to a secret society if you keep advertising...

It's no secret. Anyone is welcome. *even you*   !




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Re: New Price for ist DS

[Thibouille]

Intel is an even beter example.
Difference is Intel sometimes can make good products while a good M$
product is more like the exception confirming the rule ;)


On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:58:42 -0500, Peter J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Canon has.  The EOS 350D  (I can't remember the Stupid US Rebel name),
> replaces the 300D in that price range and the 300D remains in the line
> at a new lower price.  Pentax dropped the price of the *ist-Ds to match
> the price of it's direct competition.  It's a relatively good move and
> unlike Canon who can make markets, Pentax has to react.  Who knows maybe
> Canon was actually reacting to the *ist-Ds with the 350D.  Companies
> that are nearing monopolistic power _fear_ competition, just look at
> Microsoft for example.
> 
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
> 
> >So what is the reason for this price drop to US$700?
> >Is there specific competition at this price point or...
> >Is Pentax going to introduce something new???
> >Regards,  Bob S.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:26:50 -0800, Marco Alpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Buydig.com currently has the kit for $795.89 and the body only for
> >>$698.79, both with free (presumably domestic-only) shipping.
> >>
> >>I ordered mine from them last month and all went smoothly (although
> >>it's the only time I've done business with them, so I can't really
> >>vouch for them beyond that).
> >>
> >>   - Marco
> >>
> >>
> >>On Mar 10, 2005, at 5:12 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:52:14 -0600, Larry Levy
> >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> In today's New York Times, I saw J&R advertising the ist DS with
> 18-55mm kit
> lens for $829. I checked their website and it was $841 after you added
> shipping. They are a truly reputable firm I've dealt with over 3
> decades.
> Their website is:
> 
> http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4003306
> 
> Larry in Dallas
> 
> 
> >>>Looks like B&H has the same deal.  I've dealt with both companies and
> >>>have nothing but good things to say about either.
> >>>--
> >>>Scott Loveless
> >>>http://www.twosixteen.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> --
> I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war.
> During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings
> and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during 
> peacetime.
>--P.J. O'Rourke
> 
> 


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Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Rick Womer]

I think Pentax has a history of delivering more value
for money than other manufacturers, as well as better
ergonomics.  They don't lead the market, either in
technology or sales, for sure, but that's okay.

Personally, I do not expect (or want) an istD-sized
camera for an istD-sized price with EOS-D1 Mark II
construction, sealing, and features.  I'd be thrilled
with the same construction, the same price, the same
feature set (well, with a couple of enhancements) and
a full-frame sensor, though.

Rick

--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> The one thing that I always wonder about threads
> like this one is how some
> Pentax users - or at least the folks on the PDML -
> always want the silk
> purse for the price of the sow's ear ;-)  
> 




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Re: Using the Super Program

[Rick Womer]

As with the PZ-1, if you set the exposure manually and
then turn on the flash, the exposure compensation
wheel adjusts the flash output, IIRC.  I believe this
is an undocumented feature.

Rick

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Tom VV explained to moi a few years ago that the
> compensation can be done using the wheel
> on the 
> left side of the camera.I dont have mine with me at
> the office,but he suggested that
> moving the wheel 
> from the standard 1X position gave the compensation.
> 
> Dave 
> 
>   > So what is the "obvious" flash
> compensation? I 
> assume use manual 
> > mode, but dial in exposure compensation and then
> use the meter to 
> > reach -1 instead of +-0 ?
> > 
> > I have also used flash on auto instead of TTL and
> just dialed the 
> > f-stop to a stop or two smaller than the flash
> figured I was using. 
> > Of course, that often bumps into the flash synch
> speed.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > 
> > >  and flash compensation is only
> > >"obvious" once you've already learned it (and
> IIRC not described
> > >in the manual -- it's also the one clumsy
> operatin on that body),
> > 
> > 
> > >   And finding out
> > >how flash compensation works on the Super Program
> reminds me of
> > >looking at the hexadecimal machine code on the
> VAX and realizing
> > >that the "immediate" addressing mode was
> implemented in the
> > >hardware as "auto-increment indirect using the
> program counter".
> > >
> > >   -- Glenn
> > 
> > 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 



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Re: Full Frame DSLR (two responses in one)

[Graywolf]

The inproved Signal to Noise ratio can not be considered a negative either.
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William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "John Celio" Subject: Re: Full Frame 
DSLR (two responses in one)


Come ON, people!  What's the point of a 35mm sensor?  

If you like using wide angle lenses, it certainly helps.
William Robb


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