Re: [Broken ist-D] I'm puzzled ... but happy again ;)

2005-06-27 Thread Thibouille
Well, yes it does.
Was begining to look at Pentax a bad way :'(

2005/6/27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 This should make you feel more reasured.
 My D2H is going back to Nikon for the same problem as initially sent. First 
 in Oct 2004,
 then May
 2005 and now, now.:-)
 
 I found others on the Nikon BB's complain about this lates symptom. I look at 
 this camera
 as the
 Pinto of Digital.vbg
 BTW i have returned to the D1. All pictures shot this weekend(400 or so) are 
 all fine.
 
 Dave(dont bump my camera near its gas tank)Brooks
 
 Well, yes they did refuse and I don't think 
 I have any legal
  possibities so I'm stuck with reapairs.
  Now I know I say that because it's my first experience in digital and
  I've been quite a bit deceived (by Pentax? by Digital? by memory
  cards? how to be sure?).
  I'm reassured to hear you didn't have a single problem with your D.
 
  Hope it'll be OK for me now 
 
  2005/6/26, Peter Belak [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Now I'm HAPPY !!
But I didn't understand anything. Maybe it'll fail again in 3 days?
   
Mmm film is more reliable, really. I love my KX/MX's :D
  
   Hi Thibouille,
  
   I am happy that you are happy and hope your problems are over now.
   Hm, did they refuse to give you new camera in exchange for the bad one?
   Film is reliable, I agree. But for me, my *ist D is also reliable. In
   more than one year I did not loose single picture, so I believe your
   camera must be faulty...
  
   Regards
  
   Peter Belak
  
  
 
 
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  Thibouille
  --
  *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX and KR-10x ...
 
 
 


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Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

2005-06-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/6/05, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

Its not rubbish! It's a plant ;-)

Okay, I'll let you off then.

Anyway, the light is gone. In fact I was a few seconds to late.

The light is always better. Tomorrow!



Cheers,
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Re: CS2 Raw Converter Query

2005-06-27 Thread Powell Hargrave
Thanks Rob.  
I usually use either auto or manual WB, but will give them a try with the Ds.

Powell


Down-load the following file:

http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/temp/ist_D_WB_settings.zip

..and place the files in:

\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop CS\Presets\Camera Raw

You can then apply any of the standard integrated Camera WB to any RAW file 
using Load Settings in ACR.

Rob Studdert



Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread John Whittingham
I have a Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4 with a slight problem, when the lens is used 
in manual focus and then swithched back to AF the AF will not work until the 
lens is removed and the drive coupling shaft rotated with a small screwdriver 
until a click can be heard. 

Can anyone tell me if this is a common problem and how much it would cost to 
have rectified? Also any opinion on the optical performance would be 
appreciated as I haven't had chance to use the lens yet.

Best regards,

John





Re: PESO: Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Spivak
As i can see it... because of the focus everywhere, the current
photo is about the boy and not the dancers... the whole top part of
the photo is very messy... everything with everyone.. nothing
separated... but the boy... anyway it's a nice photo as it is... just
may be blur a little bit the dancers and the crowd and leave the boy
sharp as it is...

On 6/27/05, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!
 
  I don't normally do street photography (at least I think this can be
  considered street photography but the lens is a bit on the large side
  and it was an event) but the opportunity presented itself today.
 
  http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/21768115/
  *Ist D, Sigma 135-400mm @ 135mm, F/9.5, and 1/500th
 
  Personally I'd wish for more depth of field on the kid and less on the
  people in the background but I still like it.
 
 David, I sat and reflected... :-). Sigma 135-400 at 135 mm - must be one
 heck of a load you had to hold to get that shot ;-)...
 
 I guess given the circumstances it is as good as it gets... In fact, I
 think the DOF is just right. You see, that woman in black crossing the
 street looking at the dancing couple smiling... It really completes the
 shot. One may even wonder at/to whom she's smiling... May be, just may
 be, it is the boy!
 
 Just my pixels.
 
 Boris
 




Re: Monitor Advise sought

2005-06-27 Thread Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
On 6/27/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Shel Belinkoff
 Subject: Re: Monitor Advise sought
 
 
  Is the syncmaster an LCD/Plasma screen?
 
 They make em in two flavours
 My primary is a SyncMaster 955DF, which is a CRT.
 My secondary is a 192N, which is an LCD.
 
 William Robb
 
 

Be aware that DF and MB screens are not really flat.
Boris, if you consider a CRT, I would recommend a Diamondtron or a
Trinitron. I have a Iiyama 455 (19 'budget' Diamondtron screen)...
even if I'd recommend the 454 instead, it's much better than those
dyna-whatever screens.
Of course, there are better (and more expensive) choices than Iiyama.

-- 
Best regards,
Alex Sarbu



Hard to get rid of.

2005-06-27 Thread Jostein
Even for a while.

As it turned out, they have an ADSL connection in the holiday house here.

Even so, access to the keyboard will probably be sporadic. With _one_ connected
computer, at least 4 adults wanting to check their mail, and at least 10 of the
kids wanting to play online games, the schedule is tricky to fit.

See ya once in a while,

Jostein





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Re: Paw: The scent of early summer

2005-06-27 Thread Jostein
Citat Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 Tim, Jostein's unsubbed for a week as he is on business in Denmark and
 the UK, so please leave a message after the tone.
 
 
 
 
 Isn't it nice to have such personal attention.


Beppp.

Jostein

PS. Denmark is pleasure. Curse'em in London for scheduling a meeting this week.



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RE: Paw: The scent of early summer

2005-06-27 Thread Jostein
Citat Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 http://www.oksne.net/paw/fertiliser.html
 
 A good shot of something I see daily, without seeing it. 
 Being native I'm kind of curious. Where is it?
 

Hi Tim,

Rogaland county,
Finnøy commune,
the island of Aubø. 
Picture is taken from a viewpoint at the top of Fåranipa on the neighbouring
island Bjergøy.

Cheers,
Jostein


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Re: RE: Paw: The scent of early summer

2005-06-27 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/06/27 Mon AM 08:46:39 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: RE: Paw: The scent of early summer
 
 Citat Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  http://www.oksne.net/paw/fertiliser.html
  
  A good shot of something I see daily, without seeing it. 
  Being native I'm kind of curious. Where is it?
  
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 Rogaland county,
 Finnøy commune,
 the island of Aubø. 
 Picture is taken from a viewpoint at the top of Fåranipa on the neighbouring
 island Bjergøy.
 
 Cheers,
 Jostein

Soo. why is it called Birdie?


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RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

2005-06-27 Thread Jostein
Hi Tim,

I'll comment on the pic later, right noe there's too much sunlight into the room
to see the colours properly.

Cheers,
Jostein

Citat Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Sorry bout that. rg!
 http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183
 
 Tim
 Another Norwegian.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 27. juni 2005 00:27
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)
 
 url?
  
  
 In a message dated 6/26/2005 5:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I was driving from work, and there it was, this  stunning light! 
 I just had to stop, and try framing it. 
 
 A bit  cliché, but I like it :-)
 
 This is my first attempt to do something in  Elements besides cropping. 
 
 As you see, there is another version online.  What I've done is to convert
 the raw file. Adjusted the exposure down about  one step, added a bit more
 highlights, and made it a tiny bit warmer (higher  Kelvin). I've also hidden
 an electric fence (cloning) in the middle ground  down by the trees. 
 Beeing a total Photoshop Newbie, I would really  appreciate feedback on my
 shopping. Comments on the picture also  appreciated.
 
 Tim
 Another Norwegian.
 
 
 
 
 Regards,  
 Sonny
 http://www.sonc.com
 Natchitoches, Louisiana
 Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
 égalité, liberté, crawfish
  
 
 
 
 
 
 





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Re: Porto street shots (?)

2005-06-27 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Boris Liberman wrote:

Hehs, that Greek Nose really stands out... You should come here... I 
wouldn't want to start an argument, really, but I think our Nose-iness is 
much higher :)...


Aye, we don't call them Greek in Greece ;-)

K



Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

2005-06-27 Thread Jostein
Citat Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I'm closing my eyes and imagining it now Tim. 

[...]

 Norway in the summer is a lovely place to be
 
 slap
 
 Ooh er, it's gone.
 

Could be amended, mate. :-)

Jostein


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Re: Porto street shots (?)

2005-06-27 Thread Steve Jolly

Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

Aye, we don't call them Greek in Greece ;-)


We call them Roman in the UK... blame all those busts of Julius Caesar :-)

S



Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/06/27 Mon AM 07:14:08 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4
 
 I have a Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4 with a slight problem, when the lens is used 
 in manual focus and then swithched back to AF the AF will not work until the 
 lens is removed and the drive coupling shaft rotated with a small screwdriver 
 until a click can be heard. 
 
 Can anyone tell me if this is a common problem and how much it would cost to 
 have rectified? Also any opinion on the optical performance would be 
 appreciated as I haven't had chance to use the lens yet.

It's knackered.  Coincidentally, I'm looking for one to practice on.

mike
8-) 


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RE: PESO: Heron Rookery

2005-06-27 Thread william sawyer
After much excruciating and felonious arm twisting by fellow member Paul
Stenquist, I bought an ist D.  KEH had one in As New minus condition,
missing only the manual

Here is one of my first efforts with digital:

http://groups.msn.com/wsawyerphotography/wildlife.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhot
oID=179

Factoids:  ist D, RAW mode, ISO 400.  A*600 and A1.4L TC, f5.6. Bogen
tripod, Kirk ballhead.  Processed as RAW file in Photoshop Elements 3.

Improvement opportunities solicited, lousy composition acknowledged.

Bill Sawyer
Livonia, MI




Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread Thibouille
I do not have this lens but AFAIK it has an excellent reputation as a
portrait lens.
I guess it is soft wide open (which is good for portrait).

I really dunno about your AF problem.

On 6/27/05, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4 with a slight problem, when the lens is used
 
 in manual focus and then swithched back to AF the AF will not work until the
 
 lens is removed and the drive coupling shaft rotated with a small
 screwdriver 
 until a click can be heard. 
 
 Can anyone tell me if this is a common problem and how much it would cost to
 
 have rectified? Also any opinion on the optical performance would be 
 appreciated as I haven't had chance to use the lens yet.
 
 Best regards,
 
 John
 
 
 
 

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Re: PESO: Heron Rookery

2005-06-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Very nice, Bill! The tonal range looks spot on. I think the composition  
is pleasing, and the captured moment is superb. I'd love to see it  
bigger, but it appears to be quite sharp at this size. Good work. And  
welcome to the digital world.


You ought to have a manual. Perhaps you can download one or obtain one  
from Pentax.

Paul
On Jun 27, 2005, at 5:59 AM, william sawyer wrote:

After much excruciating and felonious arm twisting by fellow member  
Paul

Stenquist, I bought an ist D.  KEH had one in As New minus condition,
missing only the manual

Here is one of my first efforts with digital:

http://groups.msn.com/wsawyerphotography/wildlife.msnw? 
action=ShowPhotoPhot

oID=179

Factoids:  ist D, RAW mode, ISO 400.  A*600 and A1.4L TC, f5.6. Bogen
tripod, Kirk ballhead.  Processed as RAW file in Photoshop Elements 3.

Improvement opportunities solicited, lousy composition acknowledged.

Bill Sawyer
Livonia, MI






Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread Herb Chong
putting the camera in AF mode and trying to get it to focus by pressing 
halfway on the shutter release should have the same net effect.


Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:14 AM
Subject: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4



I have a Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4 with a slight problem, when the lens is used
in manual focus and then swithched back to AF the AF will not work until 
the
lens is removed and the drive coupling shaft rotated with a small 
screwdriver

until a click can be heard.





Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread John Whittingham
 I do not have this lens but AFAIK it has an excellent reputation as a
 portrait lens.
 I guess it is soft wide open (which is good for portrait).

Thanks for the opinion, it seems a couple of reports were not so 
complimentary, I'm thinking of Stan Halpin's lens comment site. I guess the 
lens was primarily designed for portrait distances and may not be that good 
for scenics etc.

John 



Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread John Whittingham
 putting the camera in AF mode and trying to get it to focus by 
 pressing halfway on the shutter release should have the same net effect.

Agreed yes, but it doesn't for some reason. I've tried it with several bodies 
as well.

John 



Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!

2005-06-27 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Never underestimate the power of spupidity in large crowds 
(Source: somebody)

Sounds like something Robert A Heinlein might have said.** 
http://print.google.com/print?q=Robert+A+Heinleinoi=print

I rather like this deliberate misquotation of Arthur C. Clarke: Any
sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Hard to get rid of.

2005-06-27 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/06/27 Mon AM 08:40:24 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Hard to get rid of.
 
 Even for a while.
 
 As it turned out, they have an ADSL connection in the holiday house here.
 
 Even so, access to the keyboard will probably be sporadic. With _one_ 
 connected
 computer, at least 4 adults wanting to check their mail, and at least 10 of 
 the
 kids wanting to play online games, the schedule is tricky to fit.
 
 See ya once in a while,
 
 Jostein

whose ball is it?

8-)


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Re: Re: Monitor Advise sought

2005-06-27 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/06/27 Mon AM 08:35:21 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Monitor Advise sought
 
 On 6/27/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Shel Belinkoff
  Subject: Re: Monitor Advise sought
  
  
   Is the syncmaster an LCD/Plasma screen?
  
  They make em in two flavours
  My primary is a SyncMaster 955DF, which is a CRT.
  My secondary is a 192N, which is an LCD.
  
  William Robb
  
  
 
 Be aware that DF and MB screens are not really flat.
 Boris, if you consider a CRT, I would recommend a Diamondtron or a
 Trinitron. I have a Iiyama 455 (19 'budget' Diamondtron screen)...
 even if I'd recommend the 454 instead, it's much better than those
 dyna-whatever screens.
 Of course, there are better (and more expensive) choices than Iiyama.

Until recently, I would have agreed with you about the Iiyama.  However, my 455 
recently blew a small (custom) component and guess what?  No longer 
available.  I am distinctly unimpressed.  When it worked, however, it was as 
good as the much higher priced brands.

 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Alex Sarbu
 
 


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Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread Scott Loveless
Try rotating the lens to infinity while in manual focus mode.  Then
switch the camera to autofocus and try to rotate the lens barrel
manually.  After that, see if autofocus works.

On 6/27/05, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4 with a slight problem, when the lens is used
 in manual focus and then swithched back to AF the AF will not work until the
 lens is removed and the drive coupling shaft rotated with a small screwdriver
 until a click can be heard.
 
 Can anyone tell me if this is a common problem and how much it would cost to
 have rectified? Also any opinion on the optical performance would be
 appreciated as I haven't had chance to use the lens yet.
 
 Best regards,
 
 John
 
 
 
 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman



Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread John Whittingham
 Try rotating the lens to infinity while in manual focus mode.  Then
 switch the camera to autofocus and try to rotate the lens barrel
 manually.  After that, see if autofocus works.


Thanks Scott, I'll give it a try when I get home this evening.


John 



Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread Scott Loveless
Not absolutely sure that will work, but I passed on buying a lens that
acted that way.  After rotating the lens to infinity and then
switching the camera to autofocus, the lens would rotate away from
infinity a tiny bit and emit an audible click.  After that, autofocus
would work.  I do have an F series zoom that does the same thing, but
I don't have to perform that procedure with it before using autofocus.
 Just a guess.

On 6/27/05, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Try rotating the lens to infinity while in manual focus mode.  Then
  switch the camera to autofocus and try to rotate the lens barrel
  manually.  After that, see if autofocus works.
 
 
 Thanks Scott, I'll give it a try when I get home this evening.
 
 
 John
 
 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman



Re: CS2 Raw Converter Query

2005-06-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The color temperature is completely adjustable with the PSCS RAW 
converter. Just look for the slider that says temperature. You can 
vary it from way too cold to way too warm on any RAW image.

Pixmantec's free Rawshooter Essentials also lets you do this, BTW.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Monitor Advise sought

2005-06-27 Thread Scott Loveless
On 6/26/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 They make em in two flavours
 My primary is a SyncMaster 955DF, which is a CRT.
 My secondary is a 192N, which is an LCD.
 
I'll second the Syncmaster vote.  I've got a 753DF flatscreen CRT
that's just beautiful.

I had an opportunity to use an SGI Superwide 1600SW a few years ago. 
If you can find one (and the necessary adapter), they're really
wonderful little monitors.  Unfortunately, they've been out of
production for several years.  Most modern video cards will support
them.

-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman



Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread John Whittingham
 Not absolutely sure that will work, but I passed on buying a lens 
 that acted that way.  After rotating the lens to infinity and then 
 switching the camera to autofocus, the lens would rotate away from 
 infinity a tiny bit and emit an audible click.  After that,
  autofocus would work.  I do have an F series zoom that does the 
 same thing, but I don't have to perform that procedure with it 
 before using autofocus. Just a guess.

Do you have any theories about this, I was beginning to think it was 
something to do with the focus clutch mechanism on the 85mm but what you say 
has put that to rest.

John 



Re: The Bunny Lies Down On Broadway

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/26/05, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 looks like Sunday is out now. i'll have to catch you next time i am in TO.
 
 Herb

Oh well.  I'll be around from Thursday evening (and actually looking
for something to do Thursday evening, as Ann has Scrabble) until
Tuesday afternoon.  I'll send you my cell # later.  If you do end up
coming into town while I'm there, maybe you can call and we can hook
up for a few minutes.

cheers,
frank


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Re: New List Member -Feedback on AF080C Please

2005-06-27 Thread David Savage
G'day from Australia Jay.

Can't help you with your flash question. Here in West Oz  there's
plenty of natural light around. Even in winter  :-)

Welcome.

Dave

On 6/27/05, Jay Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greetings fellow Pentaxians,
 I am a new *istDS user from Seattle, Washington USA. New to Pentax, but
 have dabbled in photography over the last decade or so. I've really
 been interested in digital the last few years using mostly Cano,...(do
 I dare mention on this forum?). The *ist DS is my firs DSLR. I am sure
 glad I went with the Pentax.  Macro subjects have always interested me
 so I'm looking at purchasing a better lens than my Sigma DL's to shoot
 stuff like insects, flowers at close range. Also looking at a ring
 flash unit.
 
 My question is regarding the AF080C ring flash. Is a used one in
 excellent condition worth  $150 US?
 Those of you who have used it are you pleased with it and is it
 invaluable for macros of flowers and insects?
 
 I look forward to contributing what little knowledge I have with the
 other great people here.
 Thanks,
 
 Jay Taylor
 *istDS
 




Re: PESO: Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/26/05, David Volkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I don't normally do street photography (at least I think this can be
 considered street photography but the lens is a bit on the large side
 and it was an event) but the opportunity presented itself today.
 
 http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/21768115/
 *Ist D, Sigma 135-400mm @ 135mm, F/9.5, and 1/500th
 
 Personally I'd wish for more depth of field on the kid and less on the
 people in the background but I still like it.
 
 Comments appreciated.

As to whether it's street photography, I'll address that in another
post in a minute.

As for this photo, I like it.  You caught the dancers in a really
joyous, exuberant moment!  And, I like the green-shirted child in the
foreground, obviously taking it all in, sharing in the excitement.

My only criticism would be that I find the passersby in the background
to be a distraction.  If they were a bit OOF, or if the photo could
have been taken from another angle so that they weren't directly
behind the dancers, if would have made the dancers a bit more centre
stage (if you know what I mean).  All that said, I know that
sometimes you have a split second to grab the shot, so fiddling with
apertures or moving to another angle would make you miss the moment.

All in all, I like this one.

cheers,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: New List Member -Feedback on AF080C Please

2005-06-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Jay Taylor wrote:
 
 My question is regarding the AF080C ring flash. Is a used one in
 excellent condition worth  $150 US?
 Those of you who have used it are you pleased with it and is it
 invaluable for macros of flowers and insects?

When it comes to insect photography with Pentax, Mark Cassino's yer man:
http://www.markcassino.com

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: PESO: Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/26/05, Jerome Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Personally, I still can't believe that folks are really trying to define
 street photography according to what lens is used. It's quite silly,
 actually don't buy into it, David. Call your photo whatever genre
 you'd like. If you say street... then street it is :o) snip

Well, I thought your post was going to start a discussion of what
street photography is, and what lenses/cameras we're allowed to use
for it.

I guess not, which is maybe just as well.  I'll just add my two cents,
however.  g

I agree with you about the who gives a crap what lens is used thing.
 I'd go a step further and wonder why we even have to define something
as a street photo, macro, architecture, whatever.  I guess
that's just the way the human brain works:  we seem to be hardwired
with this insatiable desire to pigeon-hole everything.  If a category
doesn't exist to stick something into, we'll invent one.

If one photographs a person holding a dog, is it a dog shot, a person
shot, or a person-holding-dog shot?  What if it was taken on a city
sidewalk, as opposed to their living room?  Is it now a street shot? 
If it's on the street, but it's in front of a well-known building, is
it now an architectural shot?

Answers to all of the above:  Who cares?

A photo is either good or bad, meaningful or not meaningful,
irrespective of where it was taken, what's in it, who took it or what
they took it with.  Genres are meaningless.  It's the photograph that
counts, IMHO.

Feel free to disagree...

LOL

cheers,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread SonC
In a message dated 6/27/2005 10:41:28 A.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Yes but don't you  think that when people feel the presence of a
photographer they  immediately change the way they behave?

Not really, if the photographer  acts natural.  Just refuse to shoot shots 
that seemed posed to you, if  that's what you want.  Sometimes though, 
especially in cases of youngsters  and good looking women, interaction makes 
for a far 
better shot than a sniped  candid.

In the Porto shots, it is amusing that in this one the subject  has spotted 
the sniper.   

http://x64.com/joaquim/photo/photo03/index-Pages/Image19.html


Regards,  
Sonny
http://www.sonc.com
Natchitoches, Louisiana
Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
égalité, liberté, crawfish  




Re: PESO: Heron Rookery

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/27/05, william sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 After much excruciating and felonious arm twisting by fellow member Paul
 Stenquist, I bought an ist D.  KEH had one in As New minus condition,
 missing only the manual
 
 Here is one of my first efforts with digital:
 
 http://groups.msn.com/wsawyerphotography/wildlife.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhot
 oID=179
 
 Factoids:  ist D, RAW mode, ISO 400.  A*600 and A1.4L TC, f5.6. Bogen
 tripod, Kirk ballhead.  Processed as RAW file in Photoshop Elements 3.
 
 Improvement opportunities solicited, lousy composition acknowledged.
'

Cool shot!  It's like the spectators are judging the guy landing or
doing whatever it is he's doing (maybe just stretching his wings?).

I expect them to hold up signs with scores any second:  And, here we
have 5.5's across the board, except for a 4.0 from the Russian
judge...  vbg

I like it!

cheers,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: New List Member -Feedback on AF080C Please

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/26/05, Jay Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greetings fellow Pentaxians,
 I am a new *istDS user from Seattle, Washington USA. New to Pentax, but
 have dabbled in photography over the last decade or so. I've really
 been interested in digital the last few years using mostly Cano,...(do
 I dare mention on this forum?). The *ist DS is my firs DSLR. I am sure
 glad I went with the Pentax.  Macro subjects have always interested me
 so I'm looking at purchasing a better lens than my Sigma DL's to shoot
 stuff like insects, flowers at close range. Also looking at a ring
 flash unit.
 
 My question is regarding the AF080C ring flash. Is a used one in
 excellent condition worth  $150 US?
 Those of you who have used it are you pleased with it and is it
 invaluable for macros of flowers and insects?
 
 I look forward to contributing what little knowledge I have with the
 other great people here.
 Thanks,
 

Hey, Jey,

Welcome aboard.  You've now been sucked into the black hole/vortex
that is PDML.  You will never unsubscribe, no matter how badly you
want to.

You're in for life.

I don't know for flashes, so I can't help you there, but those that
directed you to Mark Cassino's site didn't steer you wrong.

And, as some have also said, you can mention Canon, Nikon, Leica,
whatever brand you wsh to.  I don't think we're so paranoid as to have
a need to pretend that these and other brands don't exist.  In fact
many of us use and enjoy those other brands along with our Pentaxen
(which, if you didn't know, is unofficially the plural of Pentax g).

Tom Rittenhouse, one of our senior members compiled a little FAQ
that may answer any questions you may have - mostly common sense
stuff, but you may find it enlightening none-the-less:

http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html

As for Cotty, I have no idea what he's talking about... LOL

Have fun!

cheers,
frank, Toronto, Canada

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: Porto street shots (?)

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/26/05, Joaquim Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Some Porto street shots (?) taken with the SMC FA 80-320mm F4.5-5.6
 mostly at 320mm (480mm on the *ist DS) F6.8 1/500 200 ASA
 
 http://x64.com/joaquim/photo/photo03
 
 These people were minding their own business and I wouldn't want to
 interrupt them,
 this would not have been possible with a noisy eye level SLR and a lens
 much shorter
 than 200mm

I'm getting Error 404 Not Found...

-frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO: Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Jerome Reyes
Frank,

 Well, I thought your post was going to start a discussion
 of what street photography is, and what lenses/cameras
 we're allowed to use for it.

Ah, but it's probably best that it didn't, as I think that topic has been
beaten over the head over the past couple of weeks. Since I was lurking at
the time, I just wanted to get one more swing in, is all g

 If one photographs a person holding a dog, is it a dog shot, a person
 shot, or a person-holding-dog shot?  What if it was taken on a city
 sidewalk, as opposed to their living room?  Is it now a street shot?
 If it's on the street, but it's in front of a well-known building, is
 it now an architectural shot?

Duh, that's obvious. It would be a doggone architectural street
portraiture. Well... that is, unless it was taken with extention tubes.
Then it woud be a macro shot  g





RE: So long, and thanks for all the fish!

2005-06-27 Thread Tim Øsleby
Now I've learned something to day too :-)
Haven't read much of him, but Arthur C. Clarke is a cunning guy.

Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke)

-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 27. juni 2005 13:22
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!

P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Never underestimate the power of spupidity in large crowds 
(Source: somebody)

Sounds like something Robert A Heinlein might have said.** 
http://print.google.com/print?q=Robert+A+Heinleinoi=print

I rather like this deliberate misquotation of Arthur C. Clarke: Any
sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com






Re: PESO: Heron Rookery

2005-06-27 Thread Jerome Reyes
 http://groups.msn.com/wsawyerphotography/wildlife.msnwaction=
 ShowPhotoPhotoID=179

 Cool shot!  It's like the spectators are judging the guy
 landing or doing whatever it is he's doing (maybe just
 stretching his wings?). I expect them to hold up signs with
 scores any second:  And, here we have 5.5's across the board,
 except for a 4.0 from the Russian judge...  vbg

That's some imagination you've got there, Frank. The funny part is that,
now that I take a second look, I absolutely agree. Funny stuff. As for the
photo, I'm getting a boatload of digital-artifacts-type-stuff on my
screen. Looks pretty bad, but it could be my monitor. That aside, Bill, I
do like the photo nonetheless. As far as timing goes, it's a pretty nice
capture.

  - Jerome



Re: PESO: Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/27/05, Jerome Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Duh, that's obvious. It would be a doggone architectural street
 portraiture. Well... that is, unless it was taken with extention tubes.
 Then it woud be a macro shot  g

Damn.  Should I use colour or bw?  What about fill-flash?

LOL

cheers,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/26/05, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry bout that. rg!
 http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183
 

Nice!

Those are angry clouds!  They make the pic, IMHO.  Nice composition. 
I like the foreground...

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO: Detail of Two Ice Creams and a Wide Open Shot

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/26/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For all those with an interest in the DA 50-200, here's a 200% detail
 from the girl with two ice creams shot. I think it was Denny who said
 he saw a drip. Bingo! He get's the eagle eye award. I think the
 sharpness is good for this large a magnification. There's a bit of CA
 where the straw dontrasts with the hood of the car, but that's an
 extreme example. I didn't see any CA in other areas. In any case, the
 detail version is here:
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3487715size=lg

That's pretty good detail for such an extreme crop!
 
 Someone else asked to see a wide open shot. This one is at 5.6,
 1/1500th, ISO 400. By coincidence it happens to be another young lady.
 And no, I didn't chicken out and shoot her going away. I got her on the
 approach as well (she smiled). But I like this shot better:
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3487689

Geez, how many straps does she need to have showing on her shoulders. 
I count one for her top, one for her undershirt (I guess that's what
it is), one for her bra, and (on one shoulder at least) her purse
strap.  Are straps the in accessory this year?

I gotta say, I don't find the bokeh particularly pleasing - rather
harsh, to my eye.  Cool shot, though...

cheers,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



RE: PESO: Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Tim Øsleby
I agree with Michael Spivak. The boy stands out, he is green and (...), and
I do see the scene with his eyes. What I see isn't a Pride Parade. It is
adult people enjoying life. He/I has a little twist in his neck, so do I,
wondering about life, pride, joy... 

Imperfect DOF? Hard to say. 
The composition is very good, with the boy as a focal point, then the
dancers, making a V leading towards the people in the background.
One thing bugs me, the pink object at the right edge. How about cheating a
bit, cloning it away? The picture is worth the trouble.

Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke)


-Original Message-
From: Michael Spivak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 27. juni 2005 09:41
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Street Dancers

As i can see it... because of the focus everywhere, the current
photo is about the boy and not the dancers... the whole top part of
the photo is very messy... everything with everyone.. nothing
separated... but the boy... anyway it's a nice photo as it is... just
may be blur a little bit the dancers and the crowd and leave the boy
sharp as it is...

On 6/27/05, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!
 
  I don't normally do street photography (at least I think this can be
  considered street photography but the lens is a bit on the large side
  and it was an event) but the opportunity presented itself today.
 
  http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/21768115/
  *Ist D, Sigma 135-400mm @ 135mm, F/9.5, and 1/500th
 
  Personally I'd wish for more depth of field on the kid and less on the
  people in the background but I still like it.
 
 David, I sat and reflected... :-). Sigma 135-400 at 135 mm - must be one
 heck of a load you had to hold to get that shot ;-)...
 
 I guess given the circumstances it is as good as it gets... In fact, I
 think the DOF is just right. You see, that woman in black crossing the
 street looking at the dancing couple smiling... It really completes the
 shot. One may even wonder at/to whom she's smiling... May be, just may
 be, it is the boy!
 
 Just my pixels.
 
 Boris
 







Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!

2005-06-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Now I've learned something to day too :-)
Haven't read much of him, but Arthur C. Clarke is a cunning guy.

Clarke's original was Any sufficiently advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic.

From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

I rather like this deliberate misquotation of Arthur C. Clarke: Any
sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: New List Member -Feedback on AF080C Please

2005-06-27 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

As for Cotty, I have no idea what he's talking about... LOL

That's all right. Neither does Cotty :-P

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!

2005-06-27 Thread Steve Jolly

Mark Roberts wrote:

Clarke's original was Any sufficiently advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic.


With the obvious corollary, Any technology that is distinguishable from 
magic is insufficiently advanced.  That one gets bandied around a lot 
where I work... :-)


S



Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread SonC
In a message dated 6/27/2005 7:15:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 6/26/05, David Volkert  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I don't normally do street  photography (at least I think this can be
 considered street photography  but the lens is a bit on the large side
 and it was an event) but the  opportunity presented itself today.
 
  http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/21768115/
 *Ist D, Sigma 135-400mm  @ 135mm, F/9.5, and 1/500th
 
Yesterday in my comments about the Porto shots, I mentioned that  using a 
longer lens tends to get us into a sniper mood when we take to the  streets.  
 
Now, I am definitely not an expert in Street Photography, and lots of what  
passes for that genre I do not get, but before you dismiss the concept, maybe 
 you should look at the problems of using a long lens on the streets have 
caused  in this nearly there shot.
 
First of all, the horizon is tilted more than 2 degrees.  When working  with 
a long lens, it is hard to make framing judgements, as the very act of  
holding the glass steady is a triumph.  
 
The next problem I see is that relying on the autofocus on the two dancers  
has lost the focus on the foreground boy, (an important element, IMHO) and the  
compression brings the folks walking in the near background right up to the  
dancers.  
 
In the case of the smiling woman, this isn't too much of a problem, but the  
tall guy in the black shirt, the guy with his back to us, and the woman on the 
 right verge become distracting elements (Ditto, the red fringe in right  
frame.)  These elements would be no problem at all if we were shooting  with, 
say 
a 50mm from lots closer. 
 
Long lenses have their place, certainly they do.  Football games, air  shows, 
birding,  Olympics, auto racing, volcano eruptions, good looking  bikinied 
women with big burley boyfriends;  these are all places I would  use a lens 
longer than 90 mm.  


Regards,  
Sonny
http://www.sonc.com
Natchitoches, Louisiana
Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
égalité, liberté, crawfish
 



Re: PESO: Tight horse, no title.

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/24/05, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another horse: It is the friend of my last one. This one was less shy.
 It is slightly out of focus. I'm used to a manual focus. Now with my new Ds,
 I tend to trust the Auto Focus too much.
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=181143
 It's a bit on the dark side too, but I like the colors, the green background
 makes the eyes stand out.
 BTW. The horse was a nice guy :-)
 
 Anyway. What do you think/feel?
 Many years ago I was a dedicated photographer. But I have been away from it
 for a long time (just beeing a casual photographer). So now I am in a
 process of relearning the trick of the trade. In other words, I need
 feedback.

I love it!

Interesting take from a rather unusual angle/pov.  That nice tight
crop (whether in the viewfinder or PS) makes for a rather compelling
photo, IMHO.  Nice detail

Well done!

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



RE: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

2005-06-27 Thread Tim Øsleby
Thank you.
Haven't been at PDML long, but I'll take the risk, making a joke about the
foreground (the plants). 
- Its kind'o Theriaultian ;-)

Cotty kindly(?) called the plant rubbish. You say you like it. Me myself
really don't know. I thought I needed an element that took the frame a bit
down to earth. This plant was one of the things I tried, working in a hurry
(fading light). Didn’t have time to consider DOF seriously, shot more or
less as is. Also shot some frames with some trees (leaves) in the
foreground, which did not work, not at all.

Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke)


-Original Message-
From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 27. juni 2005 15:01
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

On 6/26/05, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry bout that. rg!
 http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=182183
 

Nice!

Those are angry clouds!  They make the pic, IMHO.  Nice composition. 
I like the foreground...

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson







WTB a question

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Spivak
Hi All
1. i would like to buy a used but in a good condition, flatbid scanner
with the inserts and ability to scan 35mm and 6X6 negatives/positives
scanner (something like Epson 2450)

2. A question:
The newer model of the simple Epson scaner (what was the 2450) is now
2480, and as far as i know, they've pull out the ability to scan a 6x6
negatives. is that true ? does anybody has that scanner ?

Thanks a lot in advance
Michael



Re: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yesterday in my comments about the Porto shots, I mentioned that   
using a
longer lens tends to get us into a sniper mood when we take to the   
streets.

...

Yes, I agree. While walking through the SF Pride festivities  
yesterday, I fitted the 80-320mm lens that I have on loan for a bit.  
While it returned me some good shots, they are of a fundamentally  
different nature from the photos made with the 20-35 or 35-70  
lenses ... they can obtain quite a bit of context with proper  
attention to framing, but when photographing people I feel quite a  
bit of the intimacy and the sense of connection is lost.


The Street Dancers photo is wonderful in its own way ... a tableau  
with some flaws but establishes the connections between events and  
people well. What it doesn't have is intimacy: it seems we are  
peering on the scene from afar, which we are.


The same goes for the Porto set. The three I liked I felt more  
connection, more context and involvement. The others seemed just good  
catches of people at a distance.


Godfrey



Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

2005-06-27 Thread frank theriault
On 6/27/05, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thank you.
 Haven't been at PDML long, but I'll take the risk, making a joke about the
 foreground (the plants).
 - Its kind'o Theriaultian ;-)

I'm not to comment on such things, so I've been told.  LOL  However
I will say that the term used to mean blurry, but it may mean much
more than that now (not necessarily a good or bad thing).  g
 
 Cotty kindly(?) called the plant rubbish.

And you believed him?  g

 You say you like it.

I do.  For me it balanced the mountains and clouds in the distance. 
Gave a sense of perspective and context.  But, maybe you shouldn't
believe me, either...

 Me myself
 really don't know. I thought I needed an element that took the frame a bit
 down to earth. This plant was one of the things I tried, working in a hurry
 (fading light). Didn't have time to consider DOF seriously, shot more or
 less as is. Also shot some frames with some trees (leaves) in the
 foreground, which did not work, not at all.

Well, that's it, isn't it?  We're working with changing circumstances,
sometimes quickly changing, so we grab what we can when we can.  The
other thing, of course, is that it's all pretty subjective.  One man's
rubbish is another man's balance.  The reality is that neither Cotty
nor I are right or wrong, objectively.  Subjectively we know what
works and doesn't work for ouselves - beyond that, we really can't say
much more.

Anyway, I'm off to work now - just got my first call of the day.

later,
frank

-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: New List Member -Feedback on AF080C Please

2005-06-27 Thread Tom Reese

Mark Roberts wrote:

frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



As for Cotty, I have no idea what he's talking about... LOL



That's all right. Neither does Cotty :-P


And I thought it was just me.

To expand on the AF-080C:

I have one that I've used occasionally. It does give odd looking 
highlights in shiny surfaces including eyes. If you're pointing the 
camera at non-reflective surfaces and you're close and you aren't 
stopping the lens down too far then the flash will give you some pretty 
good results.


The flash is pretty small and fits a 49mm filter thread or a 52mm thread 
with an adapter. I suppose you could use it with a 58mm thread if you 
shoot wide open but I suspect that you'd get some serious vignetting if 
you stopped down.


You can download the manual for it from the Pentax website.

You have other options:

Pentax makes an AF-140c ringlight that's apparently pretty nifty in that 
you can operate half the ring if you want. Sadly, I don't have one of 
those but I'd consider a donation from some philanthropic PDML member 
who feels sufficiently sorry for me. I'd be glad to report back on how 
well it works.


The Phoenix ringlight fits bigger lenses and is also TTL. This was my 
first ringlight. It's cheaply made but it works.


Sunpak makes TTL ringlights DX-8R and DX-12R. I have the DX-12R and use 
it more than the other two because it fits 67mm threaded lenses and has 
more power.


I don't know how well any of the TTL functions on any of these flashes 
work with the digital bodies. Someone else may be able to answer that.


Please let me know if you have any questions about any of this.

Tom Reese





RE: PESO: Tight horse, no title.

2005-06-27 Thread Tim Øsleby
Thank you very much Frank! And this time, no/silly bad jokes from me. 
Your comment almost makes me feel like one of the guys! 

BTW. The cropping is as is, directly from the camera. Not a pixel left
out. I did not think, shot on instinct. But I was aware of two things, that
I wanted the background out of focus, and that I wanted a balanced
composition.


Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke)


-Original Message-
From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 27. juni 2005 15:23
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Tight horse, no title.

On 6/24/05, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another horse: It is the friend of my last one. This one was less shy.
 It is slightly out of focus. I'm used to a manual focus. Now with my new
Ds,
 I tend to trust the Auto Focus too much.
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=181143
 It's a bit on the dark side too, but I like the colors, the green
background
 makes the eyes stand out.
 BTW. The horse was a nice guy :-)
 
 Anyway. What do you think/feel?
 Many years ago I was a dedicated photographer. But I have been away from
it
 for a long time (just beeing a casual photographer). So now I am in a
 process of relearning the trick of the trade. In other words, I need
 feedback.

I love it!

Interesting take from a rather unusual angle/pov.  That nice tight
crop (whether in the viewfinder or PS) makes for a rather compelling
photo, IMHO.  Nice detail

Well done!

cheers,
frank


-- 
Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson







Re: PESO:Norwegian Wood (in fact mountains)

2005-06-27 Thread Tom Reese

Tim Øsleby wrote:


Cotty kindly(?) called the plant rubbish. You say you like it. Me myself
really don't know. I thought I needed an element that took the frame a bit
down to earth. This plant was one of the things I tried, working in a hurry
(fading light). Didn’t have time to consider DOF seriously, shot more or
less as is. Also shot some frames with some trees (leaves) in the
foreground, which did not work, not at all.


My opinion:

The plants in the near foreground would add to the illusion of depth and 
be an important compositional element if they were sharp. They are too 
soft to be more than a distraction as shot.


Tom Reese



Re: WTB a question

2005-06-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:38 AM, Michael Spivak wrote:


Hi All
1. i would like to buy a used but in a good condition, flatbid scanner
with the inserts and ability to scan 35mm and 6X6 negatives/positives
scanner (something like Epson 2450)

2. A question:
The newer model of the simple Epson scaner (what was the 2450) is now
2480, and as far as i know, they've pull out the ability to scan a 6x6
negatives. is that true ? does anybody has that scanner ?


I have the Epson Perfection 2450 and it works a treat, with a 4x9  
transparency illuminator.


The 2450 line went to the 3200 then 4800 models. The 2480 is a lower  
cost unit with a smaller transparency illuminator unit, not really  
suitable for medium format work.


Godfrey



Re: WTB a question

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Spivak
Thanks much.. so i will ahve to look for a 2450 then since i dont have
much money to spend on it... the 4800 costs a lot here

On 6/27/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:38 AM, Michael Spivak wrote:
 
  Hi All
  1. i would like to buy a used but in a good condition, flatbid scanner
  with the inserts and ability to scan 35mm and 6X6 negatives/positives
  scanner (something like Epson 2450)
 
  2. A question:
  The newer model of the simple Epson scaner (what was the 2450) is now
  2480, and as far as i know, they've pull out the ability to scan a 6x6
  negatives. is that true ? does anybody has that scanner ?
 
 I have the Epson Perfection 2450 and it works a treat, with a 4x9
 transparency illuminator.
 
 The 2450 line went to the 3200 then 4800 models. The 2480 is a lower
 cost unit with a smaller transparency illuminator unit, not really
 suitable for medium format work.
 
 Godfrey
 




Re: New List Member -Feedback on AF080C Please

2005-06-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:58 AM, Tom Reese wrote:

The Phoenix ringlight fits bigger lenses and is also TTL. This was  
my first ringlight. It's cheaply made but it works.


Sunpak makes TTL ringlights DX-8R and DX-12R. I have the DX-12R and  
use it more than the other two because it fits 67mm threaded lenses  
and has more power.


I don't know how well any of the TTL functions on any of these  
flashes work with the digital bodies. Someone else may be able to  
answer that.


Any of the Pentax-dedicated TTL flash units are reported to work well  
on the *ist D and DS bodies.


The only two units I know of that support the P-TTL mode are the  
Pentax AF360FGZ and the Sigma EF 500 DG Super; the others operate in  
simple TTL flash mode.


Godfrey



Re: PESO: Heron Rookery

2005-06-27 Thread pnstenquist
What sort of digital artifacts? It looks fine on my monitors at home and work. 
However, it's far too small an image to reveal any sharpening artifacts or CA. 
Can you describe what you're seeing?


  http://groups.msn.com/wsawyerphotography/wildlife.msnwaction=
  ShowPhotoPhotoID=179
 
  Cool shot!  It's like the spectators are judging the guy
  landing or doing whatever it is he's doing (maybe just
  stretching his wings?). I expect them to hold up signs with
  scores any second:  And, here we have 5.5's across the board,
  except for a 4.0 from the Russian judge...  vbg
 
 That's some imagination you've got there, Frank. The funny part is that,
 now that I take a second look, I absolutely agree. Funny stuff. As for the
 photo, I'm getting a boatload of digital-artifacts-type-stuff on my
 screen. Looks pretty bad, but it could be my monitor. That aside, Bill, I
 do like the photo nonetheless. As far as timing goes, it's a pretty nice
 capture.
 
   - Jerome
 



Re: PESO: Detail of Two Ice Creams and a Wide Open Shot

2005-06-27 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Frank. Yes, straps are in this year. A common sight on the street these 
days. I tend to like the bokeh that this lens yields. It smooths without 
distorting. 
Paul


 On 6/26/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  For all those with an interest in the DA 50-200, here's a 200% detail
  from the girl with two ice creams shot. I think it was Denny who said
  he saw a drip. Bingo! He get's the eagle eye award. I think the
  sharpness is good for this large a magnification. There's a bit of CA
  where the straw dontrasts with the hood of the car, but that's an
  extreme example. I didn't see any CA in other areas. In any case, the
  detail version is here:
  
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3487715size=lg
 
 That's pretty good detail for such an extreme crop!
  
  Someone else asked to see a wide open shot. This one is at 5.6,
  1/1500th, ISO 400. By coincidence it happens to be another young lady.
  And no, I didn't chicken out and shoot her going away. I got her on the
  approach as well (she smiled). But I like this shot better:
  
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3487689
 
 Geez, how many straps does she need to have showing on her shoulders. 
 I count one for her top, one for her undershirt (I guess that's what
 it is), one for her bra, and (on one shoulder at least) her purse
 strap.  Are straps the in accessory this year?
 
 I gotta say, I don't find the bokeh particularly pleasing - rather
 harsh, to my eye.  Cool shot, though...
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 -- 
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
 



Re: WTB a question

2005-06-27 Thread Thibouille
Also the 2480 is AFAIK not supported by SilverScan. The 2450 is supported.

2005/6/27, Michael Spivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi All
 1. i would like to buy a used but in a good condition, flatbid scanner
 with the inserts and ability to scan 35mm and 6X6 negatives/positives
 scanner (something like Epson 2450)
 
 2. A question:
 The newer model of the simple Epson scaner (what was the 2450) is now
 2480, and as far as i know, they've pull out the ability to scan a 6x6
 negatives. is that true ? does anybody has that scanner ?
 
 Thanks a lot in advance
 Michael
 
 


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Re: WTB a question

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Spivak
What is SilverScan ?

On 6/27/05, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Also the 2480 is AFAIK not supported by SilverScan. The 2450 is supported.
 
 2005/6/27, Michael Spivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi All
  1. i would like to buy a used but in a good condition, flatbid scanner
  with the inserts and ability to scan 35mm and 6X6 negatives/positives
  scanner (something like Epson 2450)
 
  2. A question:
  The newer model of the simple Epson scaner (what was the 2450) is now
  2480, and as far as i know, they've pull out the ability to scan a 6x6
  negatives. is that true ? does anybody has that scanner ?
 
  Thanks a lot in advance
  Michael
 
 
 
 
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Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread P. J. Alling

No, that doesn't sound right at all.

John Whittingham wrote:

I have a Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4 with a slight problem, when the lens is used 
in manual focus and then swithched back to AF the AF will not work until the 
lens is removed and the drive coupling shaft rotated with a small screwdriver 
until a click can be heard. 

Can anyone tell me if this is a common problem and how much it would cost to 
have rectified? Also any opinion on the optical performance would be 
appreciated as I haven't had chance to use the lens yet.


Best regards,

John




 




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Re: PESO: Heron Rookery

2005-06-27 Thread Jerome Reyes
http://groups.msn.com/wsawyerphotography/wildlife.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=179

 What sort of digital artifacts? It looks fine on my
 monitors at home and work. However, it's far too small
 an image to reveal any sharpening artifacts or CA.
 Can you describe what you're seeing?

I'll try... but note that I'm probably calling it the wrong thing (i guess
artifacts is a specific term, should've used another). Anyhow, what I
see is that each bird seems to have like a digital glow, for lack of a
better term... like the buzz lines you see around alarm clocks drawn in
cartoons. There's probably a term for it, but I haven't a clue. I
double-checked, and it turns out that I see it on my laptop as well, but
it's not as pronounced. Maybe it's an LCD thing... I haven't a clue. But
wow... now you have me wondering, am I the only one that sees it? It looks
like a digital photo from 5/10 years ago; or a photo taken with a really
cheap lens (which I know it wasn't).  In addition, nothing is particularly
in focus / sharp. I can barely make out the eyes, or any other details, on
the landing heron in the center.

None of the other photos in Bill's gallery have this problem (the others
are quite nice, in fact)... so I'm figuring that it's gotta be the photo.
Lemme know, Paul.

 - Jerome (who perhaps is going selectively blind)



Re: WTB a question

2005-06-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

I suspect he is referring to Silverfast, a scanning application.

I prefer Vuescan myself ... it drives both the Epson 2450 and my  
Minolta Scan Dual II very effectively.


Godfrey

On Jun 27, 2005, at 7:03 AM, Michael Spivak wrote:


What is SilverScan ?

Also the 2480 is AFAIK not supported by SilverScan. The 2450 is  
supported.




Re: WTB a question

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Spivak
Now all i have to do - find that scanner for a reasonable price

On 6/27/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I suspect he is referring to Silverfast, a scanning application.
 
 I prefer Vuescan myself ... it drives both the Epson 2450 and my
 Minolta Scan Dual II very effectively.
 
 Godfrey
 
 On Jun 27, 2005, at 7:03 AM, Michael Spivak wrote:
 
  What is SilverScan ?
 
  Also the 2480 is AFAIK not supported by SilverScan. The 2450 is
  supported.
 




Re: PESO: Detail of Two Ice Creams and a Wide Open Shot

2005-06-27 Thread Jerome Reyes
 I tend to like the bokeh that this lens yields. It smooths
 without distorting.
 Paul

Actually, that was my first thought on both of the photos that you've
posted as examples. In this one, in particular,

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3487689

DOF selection did you quite well. *Very* nice bokeh, IMHO.

   - Jerome



Re: PESO: Tight horse, no title.

2005-06-27 Thread E.R.N. Reed

Tim Øsleby wrote:


(among other things)

You might ask why I shot raw then. To be honest, I don't really know. It
just sounds like the right thing to do. Hope to learn this soon. 



 


Tim, we've had a lot of threads in recent months about shooting Raw. You might find the 
archived posts of interest. Several of them recommend a book (Real World Camera 
Raw is the title, I think) which I can't recommend myself because I haven't read it 
... I did post a link to some articles on the Adobe site which I *have* read and found 
useful. I'm feeling too lazy to look them up again at the moment :-) but that post should 
be in the archived threads too.

ERNR
feeling slightly helpful





Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread John Whittingham
 No, that doesn't sound right at all.

Would you care to elaborate?

John 



Re: Re: PESO: Detail of Two Ice Creams and a Wide Open Shot

2005-06-27 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/06/27 Mon PM 01:07:32 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PESO: Detail of Two Ice Creams and a Wide Open Shot
 
 On 6/26/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  For all those with an interest in the DA 50-200, here's a 200% detail
  from the girl with two ice creams shot. I think it was Denny who said
  he saw a drip. Bingo! He get's the eagle eye award. I think the
  sharpness is good for this large a magnification. There's a bit of CA
  where the straw dontrasts with the hood of the car, but that's an
  extreme example. I didn't see any CA in other areas. In any case, the
  detail version is here:
  
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3487715size=lg
 
 That's pretty good detail for such an extreme crop!
  
  Someone else asked to see a wide open shot. This one is at 5.6,
  1/1500th, ISO 400. By coincidence it happens to be another young lady.
  And no, I didn't chicken out and shoot her going away. I got her on the
  approach as well (she smiled). But I like this shot better:
  
  http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3487689
 
 Geez, how many straps does she need to have showing on her shoulders. 
 I count one for her top, one for her undershirt (I guess that's what
 it is), one for her bra, and (on one shoulder at least) her purse
 strap.  Are straps the in accessory this year?

No - but stripey suntan is.  8-)

 
 I gotta say, I don't find the bokeh particularly pleasing - rather
 harsh, to my eye.  Cool shot, though...
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 -- 
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
 
 


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Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!

2005-06-27 Thread Graywolf

I would tend to agree with that one, Mark.

Tim's quote sounds like a variation of The IQ of a commitee is equal to the the 
lowest member's IQ divided by the number of people on the commitee. That was by one 
of the classic Sci-Fi writers also, but I do not remember exactly which one.

By extention, The IQ of a mob can be approximated by dividing the lowest IQ by 
infinity.

And my own opinion, Anyone in a large crowd who is still thinking will leave by the 
nearest exit.

very tiny grin

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http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
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Mark Roberts wrote:

P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Never underestimate the power of spupidity in large crowds 
(Source: somebody)


Sounds like something Robert A Heinlein might have said.** 
http://print.google.com/print?q=Robert+A+Heinleinoi=print



I rather like this deliberate misquotation of Arthur C. Clarke: Any
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Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!

2005-06-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Kind of like the late US Supreme Court Ruling on property rights.  (Ohh 
that was almost political, I'll have to watch that).


Mark Roberts wrote:


P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

Never underestimate the power of spupidity in large crowds 
(Source: somebody)
 

Sounds like something Robert A Heinlein might have said.** 
http://print.google.com/print?q=Robert+A+Heinleinoi=print
   



I rather like this deliberate misquotation of Arthur C. Clarke: Any
sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

 




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Re: PESO: Heron Rookery

2005-06-27 Thread pnstenquist
I'm looking at it on a crappo monitor at work. But from this vantage point, the 
wings mate nicely against the sky. No glow. I'll look again on my good monitor 
when I go home. But any digital image you see on the web is like a digital 
image from the early days of digital cameras. They're all 72dpi. To accurately 
evaluate the image, we'd have to get a 100% or larger crop.
Paul


 http://groups.msn.com/wsawyerphotography/wildlife.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=
 179
 
  What sort of digital artifacts? It looks fine on my
  monitors at home and work. However, it's far too small
  an image to reveal any sharpening artifacts or CA.
  Can you describe what you're seeing?
 
 I'll try... but note that I'm probably calling it the wrong thing (i guess
 artifacts is a specific term, should've used another). Anyhow, what I
 see is that each bird seems to have like a digital glow, for lack of a
 better term... like the buzz lines you see around alarm clocks drawn in
 cartoons. There's probably a term for it, but I haven't a clue. I
 double-checked, and it turns out that I see it on my laptop as well, but
 it's not as pronounced. Maybe it's an LCD thing... I haven't a clue. But
 wow... now you have me wondering, am I the only one that sees it? It looks
 like a digital photo from 5/10 years ago; or a photo taken with a really
 cheap lens (which I know it wasn't).  In addition, nothing is particularly
 in focus / sharp. I can barely make out the eyes, or any other details, on
 the landing heron in the center.
 
 None of the other photos in Bill's gallery have this problem (the others
 are quite nice, in fact)... so I'm figuring that it's gotta be the photo.
 Lemme know, Paul.
 
  - Jerome (who perhaps is going selectively blind)
 



Re: 28mm

2005-06-27 Thread E.R.N. Reed

Mark Roberts wrote:


Daniel Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 


Hi, just want to get some opinions. I'm planning on getting an istds
and a 28mm prime, and I like to do low-light work. Which lens would
you pick, the sigma 28mm 1.8 or the FA pentax 28mm 2.8? I'm used to
shooting at a very crappy-looking iso400 on a canon g3 at f/2, but I
figure i'll be getting a usable iso400-1600 (at last! haha). Is the
extra stop (stop and half?) worth it? They seem to be the same price
around the internet. Thanks.
   



I've never used the Sigma but I will confirm that the Pentax FA 28/2.8AL
is an excellent lens.

Then there's the Pentax 31/1.8 Limited...

 

I have the Pentax one myself; bought it a few months ago to be my 
normal lens on the *ist D. I shoot mostly indoors without flash, but 
my low-light may not be the same as your low-light of course.
I had a Sigma lens once (not the one you're asking about) and don't plan 
to ever buy another Sigma lens.


ERNR



Re: Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!

2005-06-27 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/06/27 Mon PM 02:16:02 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!
 
 I would tend to agree with that one, Mark.
 
 Tim's quote sounds like a variation of The IQ of a commitee is equal to the 
 the lowest member's IQ divided by the number of people on the commitee. That 
 was by one of the classic Sci-Fi writers also, but I do not remember exactly 
 which one.

Me neither 8-) but it sounds like something out of Asimov's Foundation 
trilogy.

 
 By extention, The IQ of a mob can be approximated by dividing the lowest IQ 
 by infinity.
 
 And my own opinion, Anyone in a large crowd who is still thinking will leave 
 by the nearest exit.
 
 very tiny grin
 
 graywolf
 http://www.graywolfphoto.com
 Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
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 Mark Roberts wrote:
  P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
 Never underestimate the power of spupidity in large crowds 
 (Source: somebody)
 
 Sounds like something Robert A Heinlein might have said.** 
 http://print.google.com/print?q=Robert+A+Heinleinoi=print
  
  
  I rather like this deliberate misquotation of Arthur C. Clarke: Any
  sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.
  
 
 
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Re: PESO: Detail of Two Ice Creams and a Wide Open Shot

2005-06-27 Thread SonC
In a message dated 6/27/2005 9:16:38 A.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I got her on  the
  approach as well (she smiled). But I like this shot  better:
  
   http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3487689
 

Ummm, would  it be possible for those of us who like approaching shots to see 
the other  one?

;-)


Regards,  
Sonny
http://www.sonc.com
Natchitoches, Louisiana
Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
égalité, liberté, crawfish  




Re: PESO: Detail of Two Ice Creams and a Wide Open Shot

2005-06-27 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Jerome. I tend to like lenses that soften without distorting. The lenses 
that seem to draw the most complaints in regard to boke, distort the background 
a great deal, yielding strange patterns. The degree of softness in the 
background is more a function of the spatial relationships of lens, subject, 
and background, rather than the way the lens delivers the image to the film 
plane or sensor. Harsh is sometimes used to characterize a background that is 
not completely out of focus. That's not the fault of the lens, but is instead a 
function of the composition.
Paul


  I tend to like the bokeh that this lens yields. It smooths
  without distorting.
  Paul
 
 Actually, that was my first thought on both of the photos that you've
 posted as examples. In this one, in particular,
 
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3487689
 
 DOF selection did you quite well. *Very* nice bokeh, IMHO.
 
- Jerome
 



Re: New List Member -Feedback on AF080C Please

2005-06-27 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Tom Reese wrote:

I have one that I've used occasionally. It does give odd looking highlights 
in shiny surfaces including eyes. If you're pointing the camera at 
non-reflective surfaces and you're close and you aren't stopping the lens 
down too far then the flash will give you some pretty good results.


What's too far? By default is stops the P line down to f13 (from 
memory).


The flash is pretty small and fits a 49mm filter thread or a 52mm thread with 
an adapter. I suppose you could use it with a 58mm thread if you shoot wide 
open but I suspect that you'd get some serious vignetting if you stopped 
down.


I have used it with a 55mm adapter on a very hooded lens (Tamron 
90/2.5) and I did not notice vignetting at my usual 6.7-11. I will 
take a closer look next time.


The Phoenix ringlight fits bigger lenses and is also TTL. This was my first 
ringlight. It's cheaply made but it works.


Sunpak makes TTL ringlights DX-8R and DX-12R. I have the DX-12R and use it 
more than the other two because it fits 67mm threaded lenses and has more 
power.


irrelevant on digital
Does the Phoenix/Sunpak emit blue-ish light?
/irrelevant on digital

Kostas



Re: PESO: Detail of Two Ice Creams and a Wide Open Shot

2005-06-27 Thread pnstenquist
That could be arranged :-).


 In a message dated 6/27/2005 9:16:38 A.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I got her on  the
   approach as well (she smiled). But I like this shot  better:
   
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3487689
  
 
 Ummm, would  it be possible for those of us who like approaching shots to see 
 the other  one?
 
 ;-)
 
 
 Regards,  
 Sonny
 http://www.sonc.com
 Natchitoches, Louisiana
 Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
 égalité, liberté, crawfish  
 
 



Re: PESO -- The Photographer

2005-06-27 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Sunday 26 June 2005 15:09, frank theriault wrote:
FJW comes together quite nicely.  Well composed and framed (what's the
FJW difference between composition and framing?  I don't know...).

I would think framing is where you put the frame, or with other words where you 
make the cutoff.
Composition is about where you place the elements of your photo in this frame.
-- 
Frits Wüthrich




Re: PESO: Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread E.R.N. Reed

frank theriault wrote:


I guess
that's just the way the human brain works:  we seem to be hardwired
with this insatiable desire to pigeon-hole everything.  If a category
doesn't exist to stick something into, we'll invent one.


I think we're hardwired that way to make it easier to find stuff.




Re: New List Member -Feedback on AF080C Please

2005-06-27 Thread Tom Reese

Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Tom Reese wrote:

I have one that I've used occasionally. It does give odd looking 
highlights in shiny surfaces including eyes. If you're pointing the 
camera at non-reflective surfaces and you're close and you aren't 
stopping the lens down too far then the flash will give you some 
pretty good results.


What's too far? By default is stops the P line down to f13 (from memory).


I guess I should elaborated on that a bit more. I meant that the flash 
isn't very powerful. It may not have enough oomph at f/22 unless you're 
very close to your subject. I've tried some high magnification 
combinations (macro lens plus extension tubes plus teleconverter). In my 
experience, the flash doesn't have enough pop for high magnification work.



irrelevant on digital
Does the Phoenix/Sunpak emit blue-ish light?
/irrelevant on digital


Not that I've noticed. I'm shooting daylight balanced transparency film 
and I haven't observed any color casts.


Tom Reese



Re: PESO: Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread E.R.N. Reed

frank theriault wrote:


On 6/27/05, Jerome Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


Duh, that's obvious. It would be a doggone architectural street
portraiture. Well... that is, unless it was taken with extention tubes.
Then it woud be a macro shot  g
   



Damn.  Should I use colour or bw? 


Whichever's in the camera (since you use film)


What about fill-flash?
 


if you know how to use it


LOL
 


me too




Re: PESO: Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Graywolf

Yes, Frank, that is how the human mind tends to work. Without catorgorizing 
everything in our head has the same value. Buy catorgorizing we can separate 
them out and find a particular memory more quickly, just like putting things in 
different folders on your hard drive makes it easier to find a particular file.

In fact the mind works so much that way that several memory  systems devised to 
improve recall work by assigning things imaginary locations in the mind. 
Usually rooms or cabinets. Strangely the systems quite often work better if we 
misfile things deliberately in an extreme manner (we are a contrary species).

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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frank theriault wrote:

On 6/26/05, Jerome Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I agree with you about the who gives a crap what lens is used thing.
 I'd go a step further and wonder why we even have to define something
as a street photo, macro, architecture, whatever.  I guess
that's just the way the human brain works:  we seem to be hardwired
with this insatiable desire to pigeon-hole everything.  If a category
doesn't exist to stick something into, we'll invent one.



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GESO: shots in New York

2005-06-27 Thread Jerome Reyes
I just finished compiling some snapshots from a day-trip to NYC. Here are
a few snapshots I managed from atop a moving tour bus, and on the ferry to
ellis  liberty islands.

http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/index.htm

Nothing worth writing home about. Just some snaps to remember the trip by
(I never manage much more whenever I travel with the missus)... but
snapshots of NY are always fun. Always crazy to see how obsurdly crowded
Manhattan can be on any given Saturday.

By the way, the Ordination snapshots that follow the NYC shots likely
won't be of much interest to the masses, but feel free to browse those as
well.

  - Jerome



Re: GESO: shots in New York

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Spivak
WOW ! What a nice tripe you've had !!!
very neat reportage about NYC ! very interesting to look at it
especially when i know that the possibility of mine to visit there is
very small
Those I like the most (higher - better):

http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/nyc38.htm
http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/nyc19.htm
http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/nyc09.htm

Michael

On 6/27/05, Jerome Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just finished compiling some snapshots from a day-trip to NYC. Here are
 a few snapshots I managed from atop a moving tour bus, and on the ferry to
 ellis  liberty islands.
 
 http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/index.htm
 
 Nothing worth writing home about. Just some snaps to remember the trip by
 (I never manage much more whenever I travel with the missus)... but
 snapshots of NY are always fun. Always crazy to see how obsurdly crowded
 Manhattan can be on any given Saturday.
 
 By the way, the Ordination snapshots that follow the NYC shots likely
 won't be of much interest to the masses, but feel free to browse those as
 well.
 
   - Jerome
 




Re: Focus problem Pentax FA* 85mm f/1.4

2005-06-27 Thread P. J. Alling
You description, there's something wrong with the auto focus on either 
your lens or camera, from your
description probably the lens..  If you mount a lens, then auto focus 
the drive will spin towards close focus
until it catches the slot then at closest focus reverse to infinity if 
focus lock isn't achieved at some point
before that.  The easiest way to see how it works is mount a lens you 
know works on the camera and leave

the lens cap on.  Anything else is a problem that needs to be fixed.

John Whittingham wrote:


No, that doesn't sound right at all.
   



Would you care to elaborate?

John 



 




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Re: GESO: shots in New York

2005-06-27 Thread pnstenquist
Some terrific shots here. You have a very refined sense of composition. I love 
the Times Square/Little Brazil street signs. Also the line at TKTS with the 
Empire State Building in the background. The shot looking down at the cab in 
the street. Lots of very good work. Makes me homesick for the big city. Thanks 
for sharing.
Paul


 I just finished compiling some snapshots from a day-trip to NYC. Here are
 a few snapshots I managed from atop a moving tour bus, and on the ferry to
 ellis  liberty islands.
 
 http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/index.htm
 
 Nothing worth writing home about. Just some snaps to remember the trip by
 (I never manage much more whenever I travel with the missus)... but
 snapshots of NY are always fun. Always crazy to see how obsurdly crowded
 Manhattan can be on any given Saturday.
 
 By the way, the Ordination snapshots that follow the NYC shots likely
 won't be of much interest to the masses, but feel free to browse those as
 well.
 
   - Jerome
 



Re: GESO: shots in New York

2005-06-27 Thread P. J. Alling

Ulch, Tripe, but the photos are nice.


Michael Spivak wrote:


WOW ! What a nice tripe you've had !!!
very neat reportage about NYC ! very interesting to look at it
especially when i know that the possibility of mine to visit there is
very small
Those I like the most (higher - better):

http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/nyc38.htm
http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/nyc19.htm
http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/nyc09.htm

Michael

On 6/27/05, Jerome Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


I just finished compiling some snapshots from a day-trip to NYC. Here are
a few snapshots I managed from atop a moving tour bus, and on the ferry to
ellis  liberty islands.

http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/index.htm

Nothing worth writing home about. Just some snaps to remember the trip by
(I never manage much more whenever I travel with the missus)... but
snapshots of NY are always fun. Always crazy to see how obsurdly crowded
Manhattan can be on any given Saturday.

By the way, the Ordination snapshots that follow the NYC shots likely
won't be of much interest to the masses, but feel free to browse those as
well.

 - Jerome


   




 




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	Run in circles, (scream and shout).




Re: PESO: Heron Rookery

2005-06-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Jun 27, 2005, at 7:08 AM, Jerome Reyes wrote:

http://groups.msn.com/wsawyerphotography/wildlife.msnw? 
action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=179



What sort of digital artifacts?...


I'll try... but note that I'm probably calling it the wrong thing  
(i guess
artifacts is a specific term, should've used another). Anyhow,  
what I
see is that each bird seems to have like a digital glow, for lack  
of a
better term... like the buzz lines you see around alarm clocks  
drawn in

cartoons. There's probably a term for it, but I haven't a clue. I
double-checked, and it turns out that I see it on my laptop as  
well, but
it's not as pronounced. Maybe it's an LCD thing... I haven't a  
clue. But

wow... now you have me wondering, am I the only one that sees it?


Yes, I see the problems you mention too. It looks like a near 1:1  
clip from a low-rez digital image, with evident pixelation and the  
funny kind of softness around edges and details that comes from  
inadequate pixel resolution.


Godfrey



Re: GESO: shots in New York

2005-06-27 Thread Jerome Reyes
 WOW ! What a nice tripe you've had !!!
 very neat reportage about NYC ! very interesting to look at it
 especially when i know that the possibility of mine to visit there is
 very small
 Those I like the most (higher - better):

 http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/nyc38.htm
 http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/nyc19.htm
 http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/05jun/nyc09.htm

 Michael

Thanks, Michael. I guess we are part of the mutual admiration club, as
I've *thoroughly* enjoyed your website/photography of late. The first one
you listed is actually my favorite as well. The taxi exchange is just so
New York, so it was fun to capture it. For that snapshot, I think all the
elements (bright yellow cab, blurred people, and cell phone guy) just came
together quite nicely. Lucky me.

Thanks again.




RE: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers

2005-06-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I wasn't going to comment on the photos, but since a discussion of sorts
has opened up around them maybe I can add a thought or two.  One of the
biggest problems I see when using long lenses is that the photographer
loses contact - or never even establishes contact - with the people s/he's
photographing.  I don't mean that you have to become intimate with the
subjects, although getting close enough to establish some intimacy, even
for only a portion of a moment, can only improve one's photographs.  By
being physically closer the photographer is better able to feel the
scene, to see small details that may enhance a photograph, and to get a
greater sense of what's taking place between subjects (if there's more than
one in a scene) or the subject and his/her environment.

Being a sniper (I like that term) distances the photographer to the extent
that there's nothing personal about the photos, and, for the most part,
places the photographer so far out of the photographic environment that
there's often more of a voyeuristic feel or sense to the photos than
anything really meaningful.  If you're trying to tell a story with your
camera, which is what I think good photography - certainly good people
and portrait photography - is all about, you've got to be close enough to
understand the story yourself, and maybe even close enough that your
subjects can share that story with you.

What Capa said years ago holds true today: If your photos aren't good
enough, you're not close enough.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Date: 6/27/2005 6:23:56 AM
 Subject: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers 

 In a message dated 6/27/2005 7:15:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On 6/26/05, David Volkert  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I don't normally do street  photography (at least I think this can be
  considered street photography  but the lens is a bit on the large side
  and it was an event) but the  opportunity presented itself today.
  
   http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/21768115/
  *Ist D, Sigma 135-400mm  @ 135mm, F/9.5, and 1/500th
  
 Yesterday in my comments about the Porto shots, I mentioned that  using a 
 longer lens tends to get us into a sniper mood when we take to the 
streets.  
  
 Now, I am definitely not an expert in Street Photography, and lots of
what  
 passes for that genre I do not get, but before you dismiss the concept,
maybe 
  you should look at the problems of using a long lens on the streets have 
 caused  in this nearly there shot.
  
 First of all, the horizon is tilted more than 2 degrees.  When working 
with 
 a long lens, it is hard to make framing judgements, as the very act of  
 holding the glass steady is a triumph.  
  
 The next problem I see is that relying on the autofocus on the two
dancers  
 has lost the focus on the foreground boy, (an important element, IMHO)
and the  
 compression brings the folks walking in the near background right up to
the  
 dancers.  
  
 In the case of the smiling woman, this isn't too much of a problem, but
the  
 tall guy in the black shirt, the guy with his back to us, and the woman
on the 
  right verge become distracting elements (Ditto, the red fringe in right  
 frame.)  These elements would be no problem at all if we were shooting 
with, say 
 a 50mm from lots closer. 
  
 Long lenses have their place, certainly they do.  Football games, air 
shows, 
 birding,  Olympics, auto racing, volcano eruptions, good looking 
bikinied 
 women with big burley boyfriends;  these are all places I would  use a
lens 
 longer than 90 mm.  


 Regards,  
 Sonny
 http://www.sonc.com
 Natchitoches, Louisiana
 Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
 égalité, liberté, crawfish
  




Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!

2005-06-27 Thread Tim Øsleby
Before this goes too far: 
My illusive quote is my translation from a Norwegian quote with very obscure
origins, perhaps it originally translated from English (UK/US). Whatever the
truth is, I like the idea of it being Clarkism.

This brings me to another of my favourite topics, folk music. Music has
travelled around the globe for centuries. Sometime we hear a tune that we
are sure has Norwegian origins played over there. If we dig into it, we
often discovers that the tune has travelled from the so called Celtic world,
to Scandinavia, to US and then back. Or perhaps the other way around. Very
confusing. Impossible to figure out the truth. But often very interesting to
hear the different interpretations. 
This is just an example to illustrate my point; this quote is an endless
discussion, a dead end. On the other hand, this is one of the things that
makes PDML fun (endless and, more or less, meaningless(?) debates).


Tim
Another Norwegian.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke?)


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To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!


 
 From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/06/27 Mon PM 02:16:02 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish!
 
 I would tend to agree with that one, Mark.
 
 Tim's quote sounds like a variation of The IQ of a commitee is equal to
the the lowest member's IQ divided by the number of people on the commitee.
That was by one of the classic Sci-Fi writers also, but I do not remember
exactly which one.

Me neither 8-) but it sounds like something out of Asimov's Foundation
trilogy.

 
 By extention, The IQ of a mob can be approximated by dividing the lowest
IQ by infinity.
 
 And my own opinion, Anyone in a large crowd who is still thinking will
leave by the nearest exit.
 
 very tiny grin
 
 graywolf
 http://www.graywolfphoto.com
 Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
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 (Source: somebody)
 
 Sounds like something Robert A Heinlein might have said.** 
 http://print.google.com/print?q=Robert+A+Heinleinoi=print
  
  
  I rather like this deliberate misquotation of Arthur C. Clarke: Any
  sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.
  
 
 
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Re: Porto street shots (?)

2005-06-27 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
  
  http://x64.com/joaquim/photo/photo03
  
  These people were minding their own business and I wouldn't want to
  interrupt them,
  this would not have been possible with a noisy eye level SLR and a lens
  much shorter
  than 200mm
 
 I'm getting Error 404 Not Found...

Sorry, fixed it



Re: 28mm

2005-06-27 Thread brooksdj
 Daniel Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
 
 Hi, just want to get some opinions. I'm planning on getting an istds
 and a 28mm prime, and I like to do low-light work. Which lens would
 you pick, the sigma 28mm 1.8 or the FA pentax 28mm 2.8? I'm used to
 shooting at a very crappy-looking iso400 on a canon g3 at f/2, but I
 figure i'll be getting a usable iso400-1600 (at last! haha). Is the
 extra stop (stop and half?) worth it? They seem to be the same price
 around the internet. Thanks.

I have the A28 and it works very well on my istD. Its my normail lens on the 
camera now.

Dave





Re: Porto street shots (?)

2005-06-27 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
How acceptable is it to take pictures of people without asking for
permission?

On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 14:35, Joaquim Carvalho wrote:
 Some Porto street shots (?) taken with the SMC FA 80-320mm F4.5-5.6
 mostly at 320mm (480mm on the *ist DS) F6.8 1/500 200 ASA
 
 http://x64.com/joaquim/photo/photo03
 
 These people were minding their own business and I wouldn't want to 
 interrupt them,
 this would not have been possible with a noisy eye level SLR and a lens 
 much shorter
 than 200mm
 
 



Re: GESO: shots in New York

2005-06-27 Thread Jerome Reyes
Paul,

 Some terrific shots here. You have a very
 refined sense of composition.

Nah... just a very refined sense of post-production cropping g. My motto
for that trip was: If you shoot it wide enough, you might be able to crop
*something* decent out of it g. I think I've been doing that a bit too
much lately... (did it on my DC trip, too) but I will say that in the long
run it's helping me figure out what is and isn't a decent composition.

 I love the Times Square/Little Brazil street signs.

My wife and I are both Math teachers so we both goggled over all of the
geometry in that shot for a good while last night :o)

 Makes me homesick for the
 big city.

Don't be. It's fun for a day or two but good Lord, I'm not sure I could
ever move back. Anyhow, thanks for looking Paul. And thanks for the
comments. Best regards,

   - Jerome



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