Re: Pancakes for Breakfast
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: Re: Pancakes for Breakfast Oh, I didn't know that. Don't recall ever hearing of such a thing. That might be kinda neat ... or not. Worth trying, anyway. I would still prefer using an aperture ring, but since they are taking that option away from us, we do what we have to do. On the istD, the front ring controls the shutter time, the rear one controls the aperture value. I haven't handled a Ds, apparently it only has one control wheel, so I don't know how it seperates the control function. William Robb
Re: Pancakes for Breakfast
How would one set the aperture when using the lens manually, like in aperture priority, or when using full manual modes? Am I missing something? Shel > [Original Message] > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > Huh? Full control of both body and lens will be possible, and you'll > be able to use all the DS' capabilities. Why would that be > unsatisfactory?? > > Godfrey > > > On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:14 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > > Hmmm that may make it unsatisfactory on the DS as well. > > > >> ... however, it does not have an aperture > >> ring so it would be unsatisfactory on, say, the MX body since it > >> would only operate at f/22 or some such without body control of the > >> aperture mechanism. >
Re: Pancakes for Breakfast
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: Re: Pancakes for Breakfast Hmmm that may make it unsatisfactory on the DS as well. These cameras are designed to have the aperture set from the body. It did take some getting used to, but it is a technique not difficult to get to know. William Robb
Re: Pancakes for Breakfast
Huh? Full control of both body and lens will be possible, and you'll be able to use all the DS' capabilities. Why would that be unsatisfactory?? Godfrey On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:14 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hmmm that may make it unsatisfactory on the DS as well. ... however, it does not have an aperture ring so it would be unsatisfactory on, say, the MX body since it would only operate at f/22 or some such without body control of the aperture mechanism.
Re: Why full frame?
I concur on the 820 - I threw one in the trash too! My HP 7960 is so much better. My experience with Epson printers is that the expensive ones are great and the cheap ones are crap. Kind of sounds like Canon lenses . -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, August 25, 2005, 4:59:01 PM, you wrote: k> Graywolf wrote: k> [...] >> Currently my photo printer is a 3 year old Epson Stylus Photo 820. Slow, >> expensive to run with Epson ink and paper, cheap with off brand stuff >> from ebay. Prints better at 360 than at 720 which makes me believe that >> the 2880x720 spec is just advertising crap. It too has clogging problems >> for which is is justly infamous. However I have developed techniques >> which minimizes that: Print a nozzle check every week if I am not using >> it regularly. If it absolutely needs a head cleaning do one and let it >> set overnight before doing another nozzle check. That seems to work as >> well as doing 10-12 head cleanings which is what it seems to need if you >> follow Epson's instructions. Done their way you use more ink cleaning >> the nozzles than you do printing. Makes them lots of money, I guess. >> BTW, I have fewer clogs with the cheap ink than with the Epson, although >> the Epson ink give better color control. k> I had an Epson 820 and it was infamous for clogging it's jets! k> I finally couldn't clean a couple of orifices no matter what I did, so I k> gave it up to the trash man! Literally! Threw it in the trash barrel, k> con mucho gusto! k> I promptly got a Canon bubble jet iP 3000 PIXMA photo printer. k> I've never been so happy! k> It's what my Epson 820 Photo Printer SHOULD have been! k> keith whaley k> [...] >> graywolf
Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
- Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" Subject: The Nature of Film's Final Throws How much longer will starving film cameras demand 35mm color pos/neg films be produced? What level of production and availability would qualify as "in production"? What's the likelihood of film's resuscitation through some manner of structural breakthrough? Un-answerable, but care to muse? As a readily available consumer commodity, I expect film will pretty much be gone within 5 years. William Robb
Re: Pancakes for Breakfast
Hmmm that may make it unsatisfactory on the DS as well. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > ... however, it does not have an aperture > ring so it would be unsatisfactory on, say, the MX body since it > would only operate at f/22 or some such without body control of the > aperture mechanism.
Re: Pancakes for Breakfast
My understanding is that the DA40 Ltd covers 24x36mm format very well despite it's "DA" designation. However, it does not have an aperture ring so it would be unsatisfactory on, say, the MX body since it would only operate at f/22 or some such without body control of the aperture mechanism. Godfrey On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:47 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Cool - I think I might like the focal length. Been looking for something close to 60mm for 35mm film cameras, so this might do the trick on the DS, although a 43mm may be a bit more practical in that it can be used on the digi and the film bodies, although it gives away the small size. Anyway, I'd like to at least see it. Let's try to get together when you return.
Re: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
I'm really not one to tread the upgrade path frequently, or take that path without careful thought. FWIW, I still use Win 95 and Lotus 123 v2.01 (a program I purchased in 1988 or 1989) on my old computer - works just fine for my needs ;-)) Thanks, John Shel > [Original Message] > From: John Coyle > Shel, be like me and forget never-ending upgrades! I've been more than > happy with the *ist-D, having no lust for the L, S or S2
Re: B&W On A DSLR
On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I don't think we're really disagreeing, just describing the same thing a little differently. lol ... Perhaps. :-) I think in terms of digital process almost exclusively nowadays. The expression "colors and tonalities are converted arbitrarily" is definitely not describing what I do when I'm rendering B&W photographs from my exposures with the DS. I am rendering the colors and tonalities very precisely according to what I wanted when I made the photo and again when I looked at the preview thumbnail to evaluate it. There's not much that's "arbitrary" about it. However, I'm not trying to emulate any specific film & developer combination... :-) Godfrey
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot
Marnie, that's a question deserving multiple answers! My most unusual shot: would have to be a commission to photograph a dog's grave for it's owner, who had had to leave it behind when she returned to England. Pentax SV, 55/1.8, Kodachrome 25 - Fee GBP% (which was worth a lot in those days!) Unique (you can't have 'most unique'!): Ella Fitzgerald in concert from behind! I was in the choir stalls at the Festival Hall in London for what was, I think, her last European tour. Weirdest: two ladybirds mating... The hardest to capture: my twin grand-daughters doing anything except pulling faces! HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: spam: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot Okay, I am kind of tired of the large print discussion (and thank goddess the political thread has died), so LET'S DO A SURVEY!!! Q. What is the most unusual subject matter you have ever shot? The most unique? Or the weirdest? Or simply the subject matter that you have had the hardest time "capturing" (either because it was hard to get to, or timing, or movement, or whatever)? Please expound. A. TIA, Marnie aka Doe
Re: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
Shel, be like me and forget never-ending upgrades! I've been more than happy with the *ist-D, having no lust for the L, S or S2, just as I was happy with the ME for many years: when an ME was stolen I found the (insurance replacement) MZ-5 OK, but after that I just had to have the MZ-S, it being IMHO, a superb camera. When push comes to shove, as long as the most common sensor is a 6-megapixel job, this will surely be the biggest determinant in the result you will get from digital photography? If the camera feels good and works well, I've never seen much point in constantly buying and selling new bodies. Just my 2 cents worth...! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:07 AM Subject: Re: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax I think you may in part be correct ... ;-)) or :-(( depending on one's POV I'm probably going to go ahead with the DS, but give some additional thought to the matter for a couple-three more days, and perhaps get a clearer understanding of what the DS2 has to offer. I'm in no big rush to join the digital revolution and begin on the path of never-ending upgrades I'm certainly not a "modern" buyer as I am contemplative and slow. Shel [Original Message] From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Date: 8/22/2005 5:05:06 AM Subject: Re: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax > > From: "Shel Belinkoff" > However, a lot of people have purchased the DS - including people on this > list who had the choice between the DS and the D - and for them, and those > who are yet to buy a DSLR, it is something better. I was about to buy a DS > - planning to do so this coming week or so - but now I'm thinking about the > DS2 and if its somewhat different/better features are worth waiting for, or > even paying a little extra for. You may have set yourself an impossible task. Carefully considering options, evaluating prices and then making a decision on the products available all takes time. Given that models are appearing at decreasing intervals, by the time one has made a carefully considered decision the data are out of date and one has to at least partially start again. Modern buying requires the consumer to either impulse buy (or something very close to it) or to decide beforehand on parameters that will cause the buying process to execute. Or so I am given to understand. 8-)
Re: Pancakes for Breakfast
Cool - I think I might like the focal length. Been looking for something close to 60mm for 35mm film cameras, so this might do the trick on the DS, although a 43mm may be a bit more practical in that it can be used on the digi and the film bodies, although it gives away the small size. Anyway, I'd like to at least see it. Let's try to get together when you return. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Juan Buhler > Rolling Red bought this for her istDs. It is nice, metal barrel, feels > small in a good way on the D and Ds. > > She is not using it much, she says the focal length is odd. 28 and 50 > work for her, with 40 she seemingly cannot take any good pictures. > > No pics online to show you, sorry. But if we get together on or after > October maybe I can bring it with me. If she is still not using it by > then maybe she'll sell it, too... > > Cheers, > > j > > On 8/25/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is anyone using the new 40mm lens? Comments, pics would be appreciated. > > Tks! > > > > > > Shel > > > > > > > > > -- > Juan Buhler > http://www.jbuhler.com > photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
Re: PESO -- Cruising is Serious Business
200mm but it's probably unsharp because I didn't apply any sharping after resizing. Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_cisb.html Equipment Pentax *ist-D smc Pentax 28-200mm f3.8~5.6AL[IF] As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. It is a good picture... However on my monitor it appears rather non-sharp... What focal length was used? Was it handheld? Was it windy at the time of shooting? Really, I don't see a single sharp object here :-(. Boris -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: PESO -- Cruising is Serious Business
Agreed ... Shel > [Original Message] > From: Boris Liberman > > http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_cisb.html > ... on my monitor it appears rather > non-sharp... I don't see a single sharp object here :-(.
Re: B&W On A DSLR
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 07:16:02PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > I think what Herb said will work, but set white-balance manually > BEFORE you fit the filter. Processing the image could be tricky... > I've never tried that technique but anything can work. > > However, when you are intending to do grayscale work with a digital > camera, the best option is to capture without a filter and use post- > process rendering tools to produce a monochrome rendering. I'd offer a slight modification. If you are going for B&W, then the best thing to do is probably to shoot RAW, but with a filter that roughly balances the expected values in the R, G & B sensors. Without checking, I think that would be something like a magenta filter that takes a stop or so off the green channel, and about one third of a stop off the red channel.
Re: Patch adding hidden functios to PS EL
Hi! I stumbled across a patch that is supposed to add some of the hidden function in Elements. - Curves - Channel mixer - Layer mask - Selective Colour adjustments And it’s free! To good to be true? Does anybody know anything significant about this? http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-elements-curves.html Yes, I've been using it for months now. It just works... There is one gotcha though. When you use those funcs, you actually add a layer to your image. Curves layer, CM layer, etc... Once added the layer is not editable like in full PS. Elements will say this belongs to by bigger brother so to say. Otherwise, it just works as advertised. Boris
Re: quantity and quality
Hi! I've not yet worn out a shutter mechanism, I had my Nikon FM for almost 20 years. I can only hope the same is true for the Pentax DS. If you'll be first to cross the finish line do tell us how it happens ;-). Boris
RE: PESO:Another Thinker
Rather soft and muted looking ... maybe that's what you want, but the lack of contrast and sharpness seems to work against the photo, which is rather interesting otherwise. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Tim Øsleby > Enough background, here is the link to the picture: > http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=191031
Re: PESO -- Cruising is Serious Business
Hi! http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_cisb.html Equipment Pentax *ist-D smc Pentax 28-200mm f3.8~5.6AL[IF] As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. It is a good picture... However on my monitor it appears rather non-sharp... What focal length was used? Was it handheld? Was it windy at the time of shooting? Really, I don't see a single sharp object here :-(. Boris
Re: B&W On A DSLR
I don't think we're really disagreeing, just describing the same thing a little differently. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > I wouldn't say that "colors and tonality are converted > arbitrarily" ... rather, I spent a great deal of time learning how to > use Curves, HSV and Channel Mixer layers together, over the past > several years, so that I can get the spectral response and gamma > curve that precisely fits what I had in mind when I took the picture. > > The issue is that different B&W film and developer combinations have > different spectral responses, gamma curves, etc. If what you are > looking to do is emulate a particular B&W film and do it as > automatically as possible, yes, plug-ins like the ones from > TheImagingFactory.com and digitalsilver, as well as others, have > mapped those spectral responses nicely in a black box implementation. > However, all they're doing, really, is manipulating the balance of > the channels, much like using the Channel Mixer or one of the several > ways of using HSV adjustment layers, Calculation layers, etc.
Re: CR-V3 rechargeables
In a message dated 8/25/2005 2:18:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 25/8/05, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: >My bad. That is not a proper sentence. Your bad what?? Cheers, Cotty == Ah, kids and their slang. Marnie
Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
Jack Davis wrote: How much longer will starving film cameras demand 35mm color pos/neg films be produced? What level of production and availability would qualify as "in production"? What's the likelihood of film's resuscitation through some manner of structural breakthrough? Un-answerable, but care to muse? I was thinking the other day about things I remember from my childhood (I was born in 1968): Visiting the "As-Is" section of a local thrift store. "You can buy one thing up to $1.00". I found some relic of a malfunctioning bellows camera. I wonder whatever happened to that. My first (functioning) camera: A 126 with flashcube. Sitting in the back seat of the stationwagon while my parents pass through the "PhotoHut" drive-through to pick up their prints and slides. Family gatherings with the slide projector. Dad always messing around with the focus until we were all dizzy. Slides always getting stuck in the mechanism. Remember how they pop out of focus if they get too hot? Our Polaroid One-Step; a photographic disappointment. Junior High School Photography class: Developing B&W negatives and processing my own prints. Building a pinhole camera. Opening a new world of creativity. Dad got himself an Olympus OM-2n and began acquiring lenses. I can still name most of them: 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8, 135mm f/2.8, 24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, 35-70 f/??, Vivitar teleconverter: 2x, and 1:1 macro. I had a lot of fun with that camera too. Taking my own slides and prints on an extended trip to Portugal (1987-1989), with a hand-me-down Canon A1 (or something like that; a split-image focusing camera that looked a lot like an SLR but wasn't). My PZ-20: A chance to dig a little deeper into the hobby. My ZX-5n: I tried new film almost every month there for awhile: Royal Gold, Gold, Max, Porta 400VC, 160NC, Supra 100, 400, 800, NHG 800, Superia 400, Reala 100, Tri-X, and so on... pushing, pulling, filtering, rewinding with the leader out so I can swap but still finish the roll later, etc. A kid born in 2008 (when I turn 40) won't ever process his own prints, won't experiment with film, won't pick up prints at PhotoHut, won't watch family slide shows on a projector screen, and won't know that 24 Exposure rolls really have 25 shots on them if you're lucky. ;)
Re: Patch adding hidden functios to PS EL
On Aug 25, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: I stumbled across a patch that is supposed to add some of the hidden function in Elements. - Curves - Channel mixer - Layer mask - Selective Colour adjustments And it’s free! To good to be true? Does anybody know anything significant about this? http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-elements- curves.html Stuff like this has been around for Photoshop Elements for a while. And ... It's good! I'm not familiar with the specific one you found, but I believe the book "The Hidden Power of Photoshop Elements 3" by Richard Lynch details a lot of these kinds of capabilities, how to use them, and comes with a CD that supplies the components to plug in for either Mac OS or Windows. Most folks I know who've bought the book have been pretty pleased with it. Godfrey
Friday FS, and Friday WTB
I mentioned this last week but got no responses. I guess there isn't a lot of demand for good old ZX-5n's. For Sale: Pentax ZX-5n with original box, soft case, body cap, instructions. Includes FG battery grip (accepts 4 AA batteries). Entertaining any reasonable offer. If I don't sell it this week it will go on eBay when I get back from my vacation. Camera is in good working order and very good condition inside and out. I just don't use it anymore. Email me for details. Want To Buy: SMC Pentax-FA 28mm f/2.8 AL or SMC Pentax-FA 35mm f/2 AL My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: B&W On A DSLR
On Aug 25, 2005, at 7:44 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: ... The problem with using post processing techniques is that the results don't follow the way real B&W film behaves, so colors and tonality are conbverted arbitrarily, IOW, how you want them to look not necessarily the way B&W film would record them. That, in and of itself, is not a bad thing, depending on the result you want. However, it requires that you become familiar with a number of techniques so you can decide which will provide the results you desire. ... Finally, from what I've seen using three different digi cameras, even if you're shooting in B&W mode, the filters don't seem to work quite the same as when shooting film. I wouldn't say that "colors and tonality are converted arbitrarily" ... rather, I spent a great deal of time learning how to use Curves, HSV and Channel Mixer layers together, over the past several years, so that I can get the spectral response and gamma curve that precisely fits what I had in mind when I took the picture. The issue is that different B&W film and developer combinations have different spectral responses, gamma curves, etc. If what you are looking to do is emulate a particular B&W film and do it as automatically as possible, yes, plug-ins like the ones from TheImagingFactory.com and digitalsilver, as well as others, have mapped those spectral responses nicely in a black box implementation. However, all they're doing, really, is manipulating the balance of the channels, much like using the Channel Mixer or one of the several ways of using HSV adjustment layers, Calculation layers, etc. I tend to prefer to work the tonalities myself, rather than trust to a plug-in, because I want to be able to achieve a particular set of response curves and reproduce it with a wide variety of capture settings reliably, and because I want to understand precisely what the transformation performed was. I also don't like paying for additional software to do the work that I can figure out for myself in a short amount of experimentation time. BTW: Since we're talking B&W here, I posted a half-rez version of one of my recent People & Portrait series photos today for folks on my other list. It was taken with the FA35/2 AL lens, and gives a better feel for what a print from this image might look like compared to what the web gallery photo normally shows. If you want to take a look at it... Standard gallery photo: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/32.htm Half-rez version: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/large/32-half.jpg Camera: Pentax *ist DS + FA35/2 AL Exposure settings: ISO 200 @ f/2 @ 1/25 sec, Av mode Godfrey
Re: PESO -- Cruising is Serious Business
On Aug 25, 2005, at 8:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_cisb.html Equipment Pentax *ist-D smc Pentax 28-200mm f3.8~5.6AL[IF] That's rather nice. Reminds me of riding through the South on my bike many years ago. Godfrey
Re: Film scanner question
On Aug 25, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Graywolf wrote: Sorry I commented on one of your posts with some simple information for those who might not know of it. ... You did? sorry, I hadn't noticed. Godfrey
PESO -- Cruising is Serious Business
http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_cisb.html Equipment Pentax *ist-D smc Pentax 28-200mm f3.8~5.6AL[IF] As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Fw: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
I'm not arguing that there will be "new" emulsions. But "classics" will be produced. The break even point depends on the size of the plant. The Professor at Pastiche Studio wrote: I suppose it depends on the break-even level of the process, and the mechanical complexity of the process. Some industrial processes are just lost. I've often thought that the alternative process folks would eagerly jump on reproduction Autochrome plates, but I don't see it happening. On the otherhand, there are mom-and pop shops making carbon printing tissue and presensitized platinum paper --if I recall correctly--though. I think the safe surmise is that there will never be another new emulsion introduced, either B & W or color. - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws I don't know if film will actually die. Someone somewhere will continue to manufacture film stock if there is any demand at all. It's interesting but some discontinued film types have even made something of a comeback. Expensive but available. A few years ago you couldn't get 620 or 828 sized film. Now both are available if ordered on the Internet. There will probably always be enthusiasts who want to shoot b&w film. At least enough world wide to create enough demand for one or two maybe even more manufacturers. Maybe not Kodak, or Fuji, but someone will be there to satisfy the demand. Jack Davis wrote: I read this item earlier today. Thus my posted question. While it further defines a downward trend, it doesn't allow me to mentally plot future production levels or a discontinuance curve. Factory locations, identified in the article, are only of interest to the 1,000 employees in those areas. How much world impact will be felt by discontinuing some present operational plans in China? I've read the heavy negative percentages assigned to film sales forecasts, but feel these must be assigned a reactionary status at this, still early, date. Thanks for input. Jack --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050825/ap_on_bi_ge/kodak_consolidation Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
As fewer shooters are using film, the market, obviously, becomes unable to absorb current production volume. Reduced production levels, then re-balances with demand. A supply v demand competition might satisfy film users for some time. It's that "time" value I and the owners of millions of film cameras, are wonderin' about. At my age, no way will I see the end of film. Jack --- Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the rates have been in place historically for almost > a year now. Kodak's > film unit volume sales is declining in the US at an > annual rate of about > 30%/year every month for the past 8 or 10 months. > > Herb > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:27 PM > Subject: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws > > > > I've read the heavy negative percentages assigned > to > > film sales forecasts, but feel these must be > assigned > > a reactionary status at this, still early, date. > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: B&W On A DSLR
Hi Joe ... No. Not when shooting in a color mode. Godfrey is correct in suggesting that the best way to "shoot" B&W on a digital camera that doesn't offer a B&W mode is to make the corrections in post processing. The problem with using post processing techniques is that the results don't follow the way real B&W film behaves, so colors and tonality are conbverted arbitrarily, IOW, how you want them to look not necessarily the way B&W film would record them. That, in and of itself, is not a bad thing, depending on the result you want. However, it requires that you become familiar with a number of techniques so you can decide which will provide the results you desire. There's a great - if somewhat spendy - plug-in available from the Imaging Factory that gives a great deal of control and which emulates a number of B&W emulsions and a variety of contrast filters very easily and simply. I've used it a few times and hvae been very happy with the results. A few people on the list were also impressed with the results. You might want to take a look and give the 30 day free trial a spin. It's a small download, too. http://www.theimagingfactory.com/download/ Choose whatever your OS is, and then download Pro Tools / ConvertToB&WPro Finally, from what I've seen using three different digi cameras, even if you're shooting in B&W mode, the filters don't seem to work quite the same as when shooting film. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 8/25/2005 6:49:28 PM > Subject: B&W On A DSLR > > Let's say you shoot on a Pentax DSLR, with the intention at the start of > converting the image to grayscale. You shoot with a red or yellow or > green filter, with the final B&W image in mind. One shoots in Raw. After > converting to TIFF, then converting to grayscale, will the effect of, > say, a red filter still be present in the image? Or will the white > balance just correct for it at the time the image is shot? > > If the answer is that the effect of the filter will be corrected by > white balance, then much of my interest in ever doing digital B&W > photography disappears. > > Joe
Re: Mini London PDML
Those were the days! Glad to bring up happy memmories for you. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- keithw wrote: Graywolf wrote: Would that be this book? No copies available unfortunately. Press on regardless;: Or, The confessions of a sports car addict, (Unknown Binding) 1956 by Anne Taylor graywolf That's the one! The authors were Anne Taylor and Fern Mosk. Publishers were Simon & Schuster, N.Y. 1956. Subtitled: Or the confessions of a sports car addict. It has a Liberary of Congerss Caatalog numb, but apparently that was prior to iSBNs. The back dust cover displays a photograph of the two authors in a 1933 RHD MG L3 Magnette, supercharged, 1087 cc. What a car! In the story, Prudence, a college girl, literally builds a sportscar in her dorm room! The book is accompanied by lots of well done line drawing sketches of various sports cars from "back then." I mean, really! 1956! Sports car nirvana age... My first sports car was a Triumph TR-3! Lots of memories from back then. I was totally immersed in SCCA activities, crewing and racing and driving my TR around the countryside! sighhh. keith -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 8/25/2005
Patch adding hidden functios to PS EL
I stumbled across a patch that is supposed to add some of the hidden function in Elements. - Curves - Channel mixer - Layer mask - Selective Colour adjustments And its free! To good to be true? Does anybody know anything significant about this? http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-elements-curves.html Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
Re: Film scanner question
Sorry I commented on one of your posts with some simple information for those who might not know of it. That always sets off a diatribe from you. My only excuse is that I am brain damaged, and can not seem to learn from experience. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: MAC is a brand name for machine hand tools, like crescent wrenches, spanners, screwdrivers, etc. ;-) FYI: Mac OS X is a UNIX-based operating system, with full-time virtual memory. Executables are file-mapped extensions to the physical address space. Each process on Mac OS X is given an independent address space at runtime, to the limit of the addressable space provided by the processor and memory controller. Memory is paged into and out of RAM as needed. The more physical RAM is provided, the less need for paging and thus the better the performance. When paging is necessary, the transfer speed of the hard disk becomes important and can contribute to system performance to a great degree. For serious work on Mac OS X with Photoshop, I recommend 1G RAM as a minimum with a fast hard drive, and at least 10-20G bytes of free space on the drive. The more RAM, the more free space and the faster the drive, the better. For less seriously heavy duty work, a 512-768M RAM system and a decent drive will suffice too. I haven't found too much performance benefit with 2G RAM over 1G RAM, a faster-bigger hard drive generally makes a bigger difference, but it helps if you're working with a lot of very large files. This computer-geeky moment brought to you by Godfrey On Aug 25, 2005, at 6:27 PM, Graywolf wrote: I think you run a MAC. PS uses all the memory on MAC'., With PC's it will only use up to 2 gigabytes. PS2 is nice. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Herb Chong wrote: i don't have any problem with CS or CS2 and 5G of RAM. the OS uses only 4G, but that is a different issue. some plugins have lots of problem with too much RAM though. Herb - Original Message - From: "David Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Film scanner question I upgraded from 1Gb to 3Gb. I've found that any more than about 2Gb may be pointless anyway. Photoshop CS and CS2 don't behave well when they're using more than about 1Gb... I tend to leave a lot of apps open in the background which is unlikely to help. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 8/25/2005
Re: Some select shots from the CC at GFMtn.
Hey there Graywolf, Don told us that you had shown up. Pity about missing you. Doug, Doug and I decided to get some time off the mountain while we could before the Camera Clinic began. Next time, César Panama City, Florida P.S. I have found that as long as I arrive after dusk the cops will leave you alone in North Carolina :-) Graywolf wrote: Hey, buddy, I saw your car at GFM, but no sign of you. I basically only stopped by on Friday to see how Don and Bill were doing. Was both broke and worrying about upcoming surgery, (now done, but it will be a week or so before I know how successful it was), So I did not hang around very long. Sorry I missed you. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Cesar wrote: These are just a few shots to let the PDML and others have a glimpse into the weekend at the Camera Clinic on Grandfather Mountain... http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/cameraclinic2005.msnw The shot of Scott that I talked of earlier is at http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/cameraclinic2005.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=994 There is a shot of him with his MX at http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/cameraclinic2005.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=991 I still hope to put up a page with more shots, but this was convenient for the moment. I did nothing but resize the images. Still trying to catch up to the list, César Panama City, Florida
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot
Kenneth, You know, after I had written that post I looked back and saw the one thread that ran through it, I came to the same conclusion :-) Still wondering if I will ever get an incentive ride in a fighter, César Panama City, Florida Kenneth Waller wrote: Cesar, it sounds to me like there is a morale to your story Like stay out of helicopters. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Cesar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:36 PM Subject: Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot Marnie, This has made me think a bit. I think of myself as a 'normal/plain/snapshot' photographer, nothing out of the ordinary. I have taken abstract shots galore but not anything I would consider unusual. I give the below without images since I really do not have the time to find and then scan them... Talking about subject - and this has to take into account the norm, because what I may think to be normal would not be for others (Christian comes to mind if he uses the photo I am thinking of ;-P)... I think the most unusual subject I have shot would be some of the skeletons/burials while working on some archaeological sites in northern Belize. But for me, it is just another day at 'the office'. Talking about location or situation, let me think on this - 1) I was sitting in a UH-1 with the doors open as we did a 'map of the earth' return to our base in southern Honduras. The others hesitated when the pilot asked if we wanted to do it, so I chimed in and said yes! Nothing spectacular in terms of photos but it was the situation. 2) The first helicopter ride I ever took (in a Bell - the same type used in the tv show 'Magnum P.I.') was in support of some radar testing. We were over the Abermarle Sound in N. Carolina - I got some great shots. One of them sits on one of my speakers in the living room. It was when the pilot said 'oh, oh' as the helicopter shuddered, and then again, that I began to wonder. To keep a long story short; it was winter and we would not have lasted long in the water. We headed to land and as we were getting ready to land in a field, the engine cut out and we autorotated to the ground safely. This field ended up being just two miles away from where a future girlfriend lived! Shortly, a local newspaper reporter came out to greet us as we awaited our ride 'home'. 3)Another helicopter ride -is there a theme here?- along the Honduras/Nicaragua border during the time of the Contras. I was shooting away with the doors open in another UH-1 knowing full well that I could not reveal where those shots were taken, when I heard the pilot say 'oh, oh' [is that a standard for pilots?]. It seems we were in Nicaraguan airspace and they would have been in the right to shoot us down! Everything else has been mundane in terms of location and subject - as far as I can recall at the moment... I hope this adds positively to the thread, César Panama City, Florida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I am kind of tired of the large print discussion (and thank goddess the political thread has died), so LET'S DO A SURVEY!!! Also, it might provide me with some inspiration since I am sort of uninspired photography-wise these days. I do realize I still owe people the results of the exposure survey and I've got it around here somewhere, but I have to get a new cartridge for my laser printer so I can print out all the answers so I can tally them. But I will do that, I promise. Maybe when this survey is done. Well, this isn't so much a survey, actually, as just a sharing thing. Because I don't imagine that that many answers will be the same. But if they are, I will tally them. :-) I hope people like it and want to participate. It's sort of like where is the weirdest place you have ever done it... Q. What is the most unusual subject matter you have ever shot? The most unique? Or the weirdest? Or simply the subject matter that you have had the hardest time "capturing" (either because it was hard to get to, or timing, or movement, or whatever)? Please expound. A. TIA, Marnie aka Doe
Re: Some select shots from the CC at GFMtn.
mike wilson wrote: From: Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/08/25 Thu AM 01:12:48 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Some select shots from the CC at GFMtn. Those are very nice photos, Cesar, but who's the hobbit with the LX? I brought along the *ist loaded with 400iso color print film for snapshots. This was taken at 1am Sunday morning. While Cesar's tongue did drag the ground for most of the weekend, it's not visible in this photo. Must have been the wine. http://twosixteen.com/gallery/index.php?id=169 You're not really talking about his tongue, are you? 8-) Tsk, tsk, tsk... but can you blame me? César Panama City, Florida
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot
Cotty wrote: On 24/8/05, Cesar, discombobulated, unleashed: Talking about location or situation, let me think on this - 1) I was sitting in a UH-1 with the doors open as we did a 'map of the earth' return to our base in southern Honduras. The others hesitated when the pilot asked if we wanted to do it, so I chimed in and said yes! Nothing spectacular in terms of photos but it was the situation. 2) The first helicopter ride I ever took (in a Bell - the same type used in the tv show 'Magnum P.I.') was in support of some radar testing. We were over the Abermarle Sound in N. Carolina - I got some great shots. One of them sits on one of my speakers in the living room. It was when the pilot said 'oh, oh' as the helicopter shuddered, and then again, that I began to wonder. To keep a long story short; it was winter and we would not have lasted long in the water. We headed to land and as we were getting ready to land in a field, the engine cut out and we autorotated to the ground safely. This field ended up being just two miles away from where a future girlfriend lived! Shortly, a local newspaper reporter came out to greet us as we awaited our ride 'home'. 3)Another helicopter ride -is there a theme here?- along the Honduras/Nicaragua border during the time of the Contras. I was shooting away with the doors open in another UH-1 knowing full well that I could not reveal where those shots were taken, when I heard the pilot say 'oh, oh' [is that a standard for pilots?]. It seems we were in Nicaraguan airspace and they would have been in the right to shoot us down! Hey Cesar, have you read 'Chickenhawk' by Robert Mason? If you haven't - you should. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ Cotty, You have gotten my ear. I will look for it at the next available opportunity. Pondering, César Panama City, Florida
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot
mike wilson wrote: From: Cesar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1) I was sitting in a UH-1 with the doors open as we did a 'map of the earth' return to our base in southern Honduras. The others hesitated when the pilot asked if we wanted to do it, so I chimed in and said yes! Nothing spectacular in terms of photos but it was the situation. What's a "map of the earth" return? mike Mike, Basically, it is following the terrain of the earth with a set altitude. So that could be 400 feet above the ground and tree tops... What a blast, César Panama City, Florida
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/24/2005 8:37:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3)Another helicopter ride -is there a theme here?- along the Honduras/Nicaragua border during the time of the Contras. I was shooting away with the doors open in another UH-1 knowing full well that I could not reveal where those shots were taken, when I heard the pilot say 'oh, oh' [is that a standard for pilots?]. It seems we were in Nicaraguan airspace and they would have been in the right to shoot us down! Everything else has been mundane in terms of location and subject - as far as I can recall at the moment... I hope this adds positively to the thread, César Panama City, Florida = Yup, Cesar (adding to thread). Scary, scary. Marnie aka Doe To be honest, I did not even give it a second thought. Not as bad as being 'invited' by the authorities to the penal colony while they figure out if you are legitimate and allowed in the bay - another work-related episode, but no photos that time around... César Panama City, Florida
Re: MZ-S
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Cesar" Subject: Re: MZ-S It was not Norm's drinking that did in gate-boy this year. I will have you know that I did redeem myself as gate-boy at the Camera Clinic. And yes there was wine involved along with a pre-dawn trip up the mountain... I recall you stayed up pretty late on Saturday chatting with Doug and I... Norm crashed pretty early. William Robb Thanks for enlightening the group. As you can see from Scott's post I stayed up just as late this time around. I actually got up before the first alarm even went off... Beware of the little guy, César Panama City, Florida
Fw: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
I suppose it depends on the break-even level of the process, and the mechanical complexity of the process. Some industrial processes are just lost. I've often thought that the alternative process folks would eagerly jump on reproduction Autochrome plates, but I don't see it happening. On the otherhand, there are mom-and pop shops making carbon printing tissue and presensitized platinum paper --if I recall correctly--though. I think the safe surmise is that there will never be another new emulsion introduced, either B & W or color. - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws I don't know if film will actually die. Someone somewhere will continue to manufacture film stock if there is any demand at all. It's interesting but some discontinued film types have even made something of a comeback. Expensive but available. A few years ago you couldn't get 620 or 828 sized film. Now both are available if ordered on the Internet. There will probably always be enthusiasts who want to shoot b&w film. At least enough world wide to create enough demand for one or two maybe even more manufacturers. Maybe not Kodak, or Fuji, but someone will be there to satisfy the demand. Jack Davis wrote: I read this item earlier today. Thus my posted question. While it further defines a downward trend, it doesn't allow me to mentally plot future production levels or a discontinuance curve. Factory locations, identified in the article, are only of interest to the 1,000 employees in those areas. How much world impact will be felt by discontinuing some present operational plans in China? I've read the heavy negative percentages assigned to film sales forecasts, but feel these must be assigned a reactionary status at this, still early, date. Thanks for input. Jack --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050825/ap_on_bi_ge/kodak_consolidation Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Some select shots from the CC at GFMtn.
Great shot! I recall you stating that you could not see much when you took these shots. I am happy to see that the evening was documented. This was before we headed up to the bridge for a brief visit. I do look like a lush with a wine glass in one hand and the bottle in the other. Sorry Wheatfield Willie, but you may have been replaced as my favorite wine drinker on the mountain :-) Don't fret though, there will be enough wine for the three of us at NPW :-) César Panama City, Florida Scott Loveless wrote: Those are very nice photos, Cesar, but who's the hobbit with the LX? I brought along the *ist loaded with 400iso color print film for snapshots. This was taken at 1am Sunday morning. While Cesar's tongue did drag the ground for most of the weekend, it's not visible in this photo. Must have been the wine. http://twosixteen.com/gallery/index.php?id=169 On 8/24/05, Cesar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: These are just a few shots to let the PDML and others have a glimpse into the weekend at the Camera Clinic on Grandfather Mountain... http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/cameraclinic2005.msnw The shot of Scott that I talked of earlier is at http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/cameraclinic2005.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=994 There is a shot of him with his MX at http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/cameraclinic2005.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=991 I still hope to put up a page with more shots, but this was convenient for the moment. I did nothing but resize the images. Still trying to catch up to the list, César Panama City, Florida
Fw: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
I suppose it depends on the break-even level of the process, and the mechanical complexity of the process. Some industrial processes are just lost. I've often thought that the alternative process folks would eagerly jump on reproduction Autochrome plates, but I don't see it happening. On the otherhand, there are mom-and pop shops making carbon printing tissue and presensitized platinum paper --if I recall correctly--though. I think the safe surmise is that there will never be another new emulsion introduced, either B & W or color. - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws I don't know if film will actually die. Someone somewhere will continue to manufacture film stock if there is any demand at all. It's interesting but some discontinued film types have even made something of a comeback. Expensive but available. A few years ago you couldn't get 620 or 828 sized film. Now both are available if ordered on the Internet. There will probably always be enthusiasts who want to shoot b&w film. At least enough world wide to create enough demand for one or two maybe even more manufacturers. Maybe not Kodak, or Fuji, but someone will be there to satisfy the demand. Jack Davis wrote: I read this item earlier today. Thus my posted question. While it further defines a downward trend, it doesn't allow me to mentally plot future production levels or a discontinuance curve. Factory locations, identified in the article, are only of interest to the 1,000 employees in those areas. How much world impact will be felt by discontinuing some present operational plans in China? I've read the heavy negative percentages assigned to film sales forecasts, but feel these must be assigned a reactionary status at this, still early, date. Thanks for input. Jack --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050825/ap_on_bi_ge/kodak_consolidation Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: B&W On A DSLR
I think what Herb said will work, but set white-balance manually BEFORE you fit the filter. Processing the image could be tricky... I've never tried that technique but anything can work. However, when you are intending to do grayscale work with a digital camera, the best option is to capture without a filter and use post- process rendering tools to produce a monochrome rendering. You can obtain the effect of using any traditional B&W filtration using various techniques (like Channel Mixing, LAB separation, Calculation Channels, etc etc). Issue 35 of the UK magazine "Digital Photographer" (July? August? can't find the month) outlines four-five of the 12 different B&W rendering techniques I've seen and tried. All work well, in different circumstances. Godfrey On Aug 25, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Herb Chong wrote: you have to manually set white balance to something fixed, like daylight or something. Herb - Original Message - From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: B&W On A DSLR Let's say you shoot on a Pentax DSLR, with the intention at the start of converting the image to grayscale. You shoot with a red or yellow or green filter, with the final B&W image in mind. One shoots in Raw. After converting to TIFF, then converting to grayscale, will the effect of, say, a red filter still be present in the image? Or will the white balance just correct for it at the time the image is shot?
Re: Mini London PDML
On Aug 25, 2005, at 6:38 PM, keithw wrote: The authors were Anne Taylor and Fern Mosk. Publishers were Simon & Schuster, N.Y. 1956. Subtitled: Or the confessions of a sports car addict. It has a Liberary of Congerss Caatalog numb, but apparently that was prior to iSBNs. The back dust cover displays a photograph of the two authors in a 1933 RHD MG L3 Magnette, supercharged, 1087 cc. What a car! In the story, Prudence, a college girl, literally builds a sportscar in her dorm room! The book is accompanied by lots of well done line drawing sketches of various sports cars from "back then." I mean, really! 1956! Sports car nirvana age... My first sports car was a Triumph TR-3! Lots of memories from back then. I was totally immersed in SCCA activities, crewing and racing and driving my TR around the countryside! 1956 is a little before my time. But I had a '61 Alfa Romeo Guilietta 1300 and a 1960(?) Triumph TR2a along the way, along with '66 MG B, '66 Jaguar E-Type, '71 Alfa Romeo 1750 Spider Veloce, '64 Lamborghini 350GT, 1969 Datsun 2000, and a few others I've probably forgotten by now... Cars were wonderful playthings back then. Now they're too much of a pain in the butt to deal with. I still love my FrankenSpider, however. http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/vehicles/fs-3468.htm Godfrey
Re: B&W On A DSLR
you have to manually set white balance to something fixed, like daylight or something. Herb - Original Message - From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: B&W On A DSLR Let's say you shoot on a Pentax DSLR, with the intention at the start of converting the image to grayscale. You shoot with a red or yellow or green filter, with the final B&W image in mind. One shoots in Raw. After converting to TIFF, then converting to grayscale, will the effect of, say, a red filter still be present in the image? Or will the white balance just correct for it at the time the image is shot?
Re: Film scanner question
MAC is a brand name for machine hand tools, like crescent wrenches, spanners, screwdrivers, etc. ;-) FYI: Mac OS X is a UNIX-based operating system, with full-time virtual memory. Executables are file-mapped extensions to the physical address space. Each process on Mac OS X is given an independent address space at runtime, to the limit of the addressable space provided by the processor and memory controller. Memory is paged into and out of RAM as needed. The more physical RAM is provided, the less need for paging and thus the better the performance. When paging is necessary, the transfer speed of the hard disk becomes important and can contribute to system performance to a great degree. For serious work on Mac OS X with Photoshop, I recommend 1G RAM as a minimum with a fast hard drive, and at least 10-20G bytes of free space on the drive. The more RAM, the more free space and the faster the drive, the better. For less seriously heavy duty work, a 512-768M RAM system and a decent drive will suffice too. I haven't found too much performance benefit with 2G RAM over 1G RAM, a faster-bigger hard drive generally makes a bigger difference, but it helps if you're working with a lot of very large files. This computer-geeky moment brought to you by Godfrey On Aug 25, 2005, at 6:27 PM, Graywolf wrote: I think you run a MAC. PS uses all the memory on MAC'., With PC's it will only use up to 2 gigabytes. PS2 is nice. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Herb Chong wrote: i don't have any problem with CS or CS2 and 5G of RAM. the OS uses only 4G, but that is a different issue. some plugins have lots of problem with too much RAM though. Herb - Original Message - From: "David Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Film scanner question I upgraded from 1Gb to 3Gb. I've found that any more than about 2Gb may be pointless anyway. Photoshop CS and CS2 don't behave well when they're using more than about 1Gb... I tend to leave a lot of apps open in the background which is unlikely to help.
B&W On A DSLR
Let's say you shoot on a Pentax DSLR, with the intention at the start of converting the image to grayscale. You shoot with a red or yellow or green filter, with the final B&W image in mind. One shoots in Raw. After converting to TIFF, then converting to grayscale, will the effect of, say, a red filter still be present in the image? Or will the white balance just correct for it at the time the image is shot? If the answer is that the effect of the filter will be corrected by white balance, then much of my interest in ever doing digital B&W photography disappears. Joe
Re: PESO -- Good Morning Sunshine
There were actually quite a few sunflowers in the field, but none with the smaller flowers, (I'm not sure if they were buds or not), on either side. In fact the less than perfect condition of the flower was what first attracted my attention to this particular bloom. Tom C wrote: I like it. Bokeh is nice. The flowers really 'pop'. My only nit is that the center sunflower is a little worse for wear... I know it's what was there. I never realized until yesterday, that a sunflower is made up of hundreds of tinier flowers (does that make it a composite?). Each tiny flower coming out of the 'butt-end' of an individual sunflower seed. Tom C. From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO -- Good Morning Sunshine Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:17:56 -0400 Just a pretty flower picture, well sort of... http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_gms.html Technical Info: - Pentax *ist-D @ 1/250 iso 400 vmc Vivitar Series 1 35-85mm f2.8 Varifocus @f5.6 -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
I don't know if film will actually die. Someone somewhere will continue to manufacture film stock if there is any demand at all. It's interesting but some discontinued film types have even made something of a comeback. Expensive but available. A few years ago you couldn't get 620 or 828 sized film. Now both are available if ordered on the Internet. There will probably always be enthusiasts who want to shoot b&w film. At least enough world wide to create enough demand for one or two maybe even more manufacturers. Maybe not Kodak, or Fuji, but someone will be there to satisfy the demand. Jack Davis wrote: I read this item earlier today. Thus my posted question. While it further defines a downward trend, it doesn't allow me to mentally plot future production levels or a discontinuance curve. Factory locations, identified in the article, are only of interest to the 1,000 employees in those areas. How much world impact will be felt by discontinuing some present operational plans in China? I've read the heavy negative percentages assigned to film sales forecasts, but feel these must be assigned a reactionary status at this, still early, date. Thanks for input. Jack --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050825/ap_on_bi_ge/kodak_consolidation Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Mini London PDML
Graywolf wrote: Would that be this book? No copies available unfortunately. Press on regardless;: Or, The confessions of a sports car addict, (Unknown Binding) 1956 by Anne Taylor graywolf That's the one! The authors were Anne Taylor and Fern Mosk. Publishers were Simon & Schuster, N.Y. 1956. Subtitled: Or the confessions of a sports car addict. It has a Liberary of Congerss Caatalog numb, but apparently that was prior to iSBNs. The back dust cover displays a photograph of the two authors in a 1933 RHD MG L3 Magnette, supercharged, 1087 cc. What a car! In the story, Prudence, a college girl, literally builds a sportscar in her dorm room! The book is accompanied by lots of well done line drawing sketches of various sports cars from "back then." I mean, really! 1956! Sports car nirvana age... My first sports car was a Triumph TR-3! Lots of memories from back then. I was totally immersed in SCCA activities, crewing and racing and driving my TR around the countryside! sighhh. keith
Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
the rates have been in place historically for almost a year now. Kodak's film unit volume sales is declining in the US at an annual rate of about 30%/year every month for the past 8 or 10 months. Herb - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws I've read the heavy negative percentages assigned to film sales forecasts, but feel these must be assigned a reactionary status at this, still early, date.
Re: Film scanner question
I think you run a MAC. PS uses all the memory on MAC'., With PC's it will only use up to 2 gigabytes. PS2 is nice. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Herb Chong wrote: i don't have any problem with CS or CS2 and 5G of RAM. the OS uses only 4G, but that is a different issue. some plugins have lots of problem with too much RAM though. Herb - Original Message - From: "David Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Film scanner question I upgraded from 1Gb to 3Gb. I've found that any more than about 2Gb may be pointless anyway. Photoshop CS and CS2 don't behave well when they're using more than about 1Gb... I tend to leave a lot of apps open in the background which is unlikely to help. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 8/25/2005
Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
I read this item earlier today. Thus my posted question. While it further defines a downward trend, it doesn't allow me to mentally plot future production levels or a discontinuance curve. Factory locations, identified in the article, are only of interest to the 1,000 employees in those areas. How much world impact will be felt by discontinuing some present operational plans in China? I've read the heavy negative percentages assigned to film sales forecasts, but feel these must be assigned a reactionary status at this, still early, date. Thanks for input. Jack --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050825/ap_on_bi_ge/kodak_consolidation > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)
however, the A* lenses with rear filter mounts don't require a filter in the filter mount at all times. Herb... - Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :) Either way, the filter would be a _neccessity_ in the light path to form a sharp image. I have a 300/2.8 with rear filters. The manual says that a filter _must_ be in place at all times. This is all very interesting.
Re: Re: Film scanner question
the real test is scanning greens. the eye is most sensitive in that color area. Herb... - Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM Subject: Re: Re: Film scanner question One of the things I'm inspecting carefully is colour depth. I've got a slide of a red geranium (on Velvia) that I cannot get a decent scan of with the Craposcan. It looks indescribably dull and if I try to boost the saturation, the image just goes a sort of wierd fluorescent hue before it gets anywhere near the correct colour. This is going to be my test slide for whatever I get.
Re: Film scanner question
i don't have any problem with CS or CS2 and 5G of RAM. the OS uses only 4G, but that is a different issue. some plugins have lots of problem with too much RAM though. Herb - Original Message - From: "David Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Film scanner question I upgraded from 1Gb to 3Gb. I've found that any more than about 2Gb may be pointless anyway. Photoshop CS and CS2 don't behave well when they're using more than about 1Gb... I tend to leave a lot of apps open in the background which is unlikely to help.
Re: Large Print Quality From 6mp Cameras (was: )
if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. there's nothing wrong with motion blurred elements in a landscape. - Original Message - From: "David Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Large Print Quality From 6mp Cameras (was: ) Tell me landscapes are static the next time I've stopped the lens down to f/32 and the wind is gusting, blowing not only the grass in the foreground but also small clouds that keep blocking the sun. That shot took a while to get :)
Re: PAW thumbnail page
On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thumb nail page looks good. (Some nice photos I hadn't seen.) But, I too, found the little blocks confusing. At first I thought they were supposed to be thumbnails, then I saw the link to the thumbnail page. Maybe the blocks could be smaller, then no one would think that they are supposed to be thumbnails (with pictures that didn't load). Or maybe dots or bars rather than blocks. Whatever. Nice photos. I wish I could do 1/2 as well. Heya Marnie, Thanks for the compliment! And thanks for looking and commenting. I'll likely revise the frontispiece page for next year's PAW, based on the amount of feedback I've gotten on the status bar. Might integrate the thumbnail page into it; I didn't in the past as I felt that the frontispiece should load very quickly, and loading up to 50- some thumbnails takes time on a slow connection. I have an idea that might work better, though, without losing the specific functionality and display information that I wanted for it. I've put thumbnail pages up linked to the frontispiece for all posted years of PAW projects now. http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW1/thumbs/ http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW2/thumbs/ http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW3/thumbs/ http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW4/thumbs/ http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/thumbs/ Godfrey
Re: question about primes: 100/2.8 and 135/2.8 FA (D)
even with superb design, it doesn't go away completely. Herb - Original Message - From: "David Oswald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:21 AM Subject: Re: question about primes: 100/2.8 and 135/2.8 FA (D) Purple fringing is a problem associated with DSLR sensors, that can be kept in check with proper lens design.
Re: Qs about metering
On Aug 25, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: I asked 3 weeks ago about getting white out of spot metering something white; I reminder below: - The rule of thumb says that, in order to get a very snowy picture to look white, you add +2 to whatever the (say, CW) meter says. Will the +2 correction work with a white flower on a macro (ie mostly white) shot? Rules of thumb are approximations. It all depends where you want to place Zone IX ... Zone IX being defined as the brightest part of the scene that you want to retain detail in. - How many stops between 18% gray and pure white? Is it 2, as per the rule of thumb? 18% reflectance gray is Zone V. So if the flower is to be Zone IX, it's three stops brighter than Zone V. And here is the result: http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~kavousan/Orchid.jpg Z1-P, Tamron 90/2.8 SP, Superia 400, handheld. Spotmetered on the petal with EV+2. Looks great! Godfrey
Re: Mini London PDML
Would that be this book? No copies available unfortunately. Press on regardless;: Or, The confessions of a sports car addict, (Unknown Binding) 1956 by Anne Taylor graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- keithw wrote: Graywolf wrote: Well, I did actually drive a TC once. It was 12-13 years old at the time, I only beat it out by 6-7 or so myself. The thing was great fun to drive, and by then the perfomance was so low that you could actually drive it full out on the highway without getting a ticket. (75hp, 4.50x19 tires, and buckboard suspension: info to those who are not old farts) But, those were cars you drove, not aimed. When you moved the steering wheel, you were hooked directly to the road, and you knew it! Same with every other function. Direct hookup. Exciting driving! You didn't need speed to get a sensation of driving. Did you ever read the book "Press On, Regardless?" My copy is so tattered from re-reading, it's falling apart! But, if you can find a copy, and you like those old cars, it's an absolute blast to read. Small book, probably 4.5 X 6" and only 1/2" thick or so, but plenty of fun reading. keith graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- keithw wrote: Graywolf wrote: Was that a J-2 with a blower that you had, Keith ? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com No, I _wish_ I had that for a memory! Best I can do is working on early TD's and being around TC's. Still... fun stuff. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 8/25/2005
Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050825/ap_on_bi_ge/kodak_consolidation That's the most succinct report yet. Thanks for posting it, keith whaley
Re: Mini London PDML
Graywolf wrote: Well, I did actually drive a TC once. It was 12-13 years old at the time, I only beat it out by 6-7 or so myself. The thing was great fun to drive, and by then the perfomance was so low that you could actually drive it full out on the highway without getting a ticket. (75hp, 4.50x19 tires, and buckboard suspension: info to those who are not old farts) But, those were cars you drove, not aimed. When you moved the steering wheel, you were hooked directly to the road, and you knew it! Same with every other function. Direct hookup. Exciting driving! You didn't need speed to get a sensation of driving. Did you ever read the book "Press On, Regardless?" My copy is so tattered from re-reading, it's falling apart! But, if you can find a copy, and you like those old cars, it's an absolute blast to read. Small book, probably 4.5 X 6" and only 1/2" thick or so, but plenty of fun reading. keith graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- keithw wrote: Graywolf wrote: Was that a J-2 with a blower that you had, Keith ? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com No, I _wish_ I had that for a memory! Best I can do is working on early TD's and being around TC's. Still... fun stuff.
Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050825/ap_on_bi_ge/kodak_consolidation
Re: Mini London PDML
Well, I did actually drive a TC once. It was 12-13 years old at the time, I only beat it out by 6-7 or so myself. The thing was great fun to drive, and by then the perfomance was so low that you could actually drive it full out on the highway without getting a ticket. (75hp, 4.50x19 tires, and buckboard suspension: info to those who are not old farts) graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- keithw wrote: Graywolf wrote: Was that a J-2 with a blower that you had, Keith ? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com No, I _wish_ I had that for a memory! Best I can do is working on early TD's and being around TC's. Still... fun stuff. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 8/25/2005
Re: Why full frame?
Graywolf wrote: [...] Currently my photo printer is a 3 year old Epson Stylus Photo 820. Slow, expensive to run with Epson ink and paper, cheap with off brand stuff from ebay. Prints better at 360 than at 720 which makes me believe that the 2880x720 spec is just advertising crap. It too has clogging problems for which is is justly infamous. However I have developed techniques which minimizes that: Print a nozzle check every week if I am not using it regularly. If it absolutely needs a head cleaning do one and let it set overnight before doing another nozzle check. That seems to work as well as doing 10-12 head cleanings which is what it seems to need if you follow Epson's instructions. Done their way you use more ink cleaning the nozzles than you do printing. Makes them lots of money, I guess. BTW, I have fewer clogs with the cheap ink than with the Epson, although the Epson ink give better color control. I had an Epson 820 and it was infamous for clogging it's jets! I finally couldn't clean a couple of orifices no matter what I did, so I gave it up to the trash man! Literally! Threw it in the trash barrel, con mucho gusto! I promptly got a Canon bubble jet iP 3000 PIXMA photo printer. I've never been so happy! It's what my Epson 820 Photo Printer SHOULD have been! keith whaley [...] graywolf
Wanted! (armed but not dangerous)
Hi all!
I wrote this as a PS. in the thread discussing this lenses, but I thought
I'd ask explicitely, - in case someone was thinking about selling
any of his/her lenses.
I am looking for the following autofocus lenses:
Sigma 100-300/4 AF
Pentax SMC F/FA/D-FA 100/2.8 (macro)
Pentax SMC F/FA 135/2.8
If somebody is thinking about selling any of these lenses, please
contact me off the list at str {at} komkon.org
(Please, indicate clearly in the subject any of the words "pentax", "lens",
so, I could spot it out easier).
Thank you,
Igor
PS. I suspect that I will probably buy only one prime lens, but
that will depend on what prices I'll find for these items.
Re: Advice needed - Developing TRIX 400 35mm
Thanks, Michael, I needed a pat on the back just now. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Michael Spivak wrote: Thanks much people ! i didn't think i will get the aswers so fast The film is in the scanner already... :) i've used the web site's formula to develop it (multiply by 1.4 as GrayWolf noticed) So it was 8:30 minutes in the developer and the results looks pretty good. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 8/25/2005
Re: Mini London PDML
Graywolf wrote: Was that a J-2 with a blower that you had, Keith ? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com No, I _wish_ I had that for a memory! Best I can do is working on early TD's and being around TC's. Still... fun stuff. keith keithw wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I hope the hen was well cooked... Ahhh, keeps me in mind of the old Morris Garages autos, it does... keith Cotty wrote: On 24/8/05, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty, Bob, what was the name of that ale again? Fuller's London Pride! Just had a pint myself, followed by a Speckled Hen. Cheers, Cotty
RE: PESO: Out door "Piercing Studio"
Parts of this post came out wrong. One more time my English failed me. Hope you are able to read between the lines, and get what I'm really trying to say. A clairvoyant might be able to figure out the meaning of my ravings ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -Original Message- > From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25. august 2005 03:15 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: RE: PESO: Out door "Piercing Studio" > > Hi Frank! > > > I stated: > > > As I read you, you say: They invited you, therefore it's Ok. > > > Can't say I follow you in this kind of logic. What if bloke invited me > > > to run over him with my car? Would the fact that he invited me, make > it > > > the right thing to do? According to my ethics, no. > > You said: > > Well, with the greatest of respect, Tim, that's just a silly argument, > > isn't it. You can't take my position to an illogical extreme and then > > say, "so therefore you're wrong". I'm talking about taking photos, > > not of you doing harm to someone. I know one gets into a grey area > > when it comes to issues such as sado-masochism (which I know virtually > > nothing about, BTW), where a participant says to another, "you may > > cause physical pain and even scar me - I want you to". In fact, > > that's what the piercee is saying to the piercer here, right? > > > Did I say you were wrong? Don't think I did. > I just said I followed your logic. I just tried to point out that your > argumentation could be used about anything. That they actually invited me > didn't make it ethical to do so. With respect, it's not a valid argument. > Therefore, I am looking for other arguments. > > > But, you're not either of those participants here, you're merely > > recording an event that would have happened anyway. > Thats valid. > > > You took the photo, you now own the image. > Yep, I do. They where not high on anything. So, no problem there. > > I don't have any problem with showing it to others; in fact I'm a bit > proud > of it, despite the technical weaknesses. > > I really don't have problems with piercings in general either. Its just > not > my style. > > What I did have problems with was a voice inside my head asking, "are you > being voyeuristic now Tim", does it turn you on in any way? In retrospect > I > know the answer on both is a simple no. > > To sum it up: There is no problem. It once was, now it isn't. > But thank you very much for going into this. Yours and others arguments > has > helped clearing my twisted mind ;-) > > One tiny issue: Opening the b&w version: Clicking the thumb simply loads > the > alternative version replacing the original one. > > (And you are right about result of the conversion. It stinks ;-) There is > no > sting in the eyes. It was mainly a rehearsal. Perhaps I would have done > better, if the raw material was better?) > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > > > -Original Message- > > From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 25. august 2005 02:07 > > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > > Subject: Re: PESO: Out door "Piercing Studio" > > > > On 8/23/05, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > This made me proud, so childish as I am, I had to highlight > > it. > > > Thank you Frank! > > > > > > Also thank you for your, from my point of view, liberal (read > american) > > > thoughts on the ethics. > > > > Well, I'm Canadian, but I do note that you spelled american with a > > small-case a, so perhaps you meant "North American", which we > > certainly are. I'm not sure that my ethics are representative of > > either my country or my continent. I always thought that Europeans > > were more liberal about these things . > > > > > As I read you, you say: They invited you, therefore it's Ok. > > > Can't say I follow you in this kind of logic. What if bloke invited me > > to > > > run over him with my car? Would the fact that he invited me, make it > the > > > right thing to do? According to my ethics, no. > > > > Well, with the greatest of respect, Tim, that's just a silly argument, > > isn't it. You can't take my position to an illogical extreme and then > > say, "so therefore you're wrong". I'm talking about taking photos, > > not of you doing harm to someone. I know one gets into a grey area > > when it comes to issues such as sado-masochism (which I know virtually > > nothing about, BTW), where a participant says to another, "you may > > cause physical pain and even scar me - I want you to". In fact, > > that's what the piercee is saying to the piercer here, right? > > > > But, you're not either of those participants here, you're merely > > recording an event that would have happened anyway. Yes,
Re: Why full frame?
But that is what you are doing isn't it--flame war I mean? I just mentioned that a decent wide carriage printer can be had for what is an affordable price for many. I said nothing about better, or that you should switch. However I have been doing a bit of research about this, wide carrige photo printers, recently. Just wishful thinking on my part as I can only afford a hundred bucks or so for a new printer (Anybody want to give away a 1280? I could pay the shipping.) Buy reading reviews on printers written by folks after they have owned them for awhile. I find more problems with Epsons than with most other brands. Which is interesting because most of my printers have been Epsons starting with an MX80, and a Radio Shack computer around 1980. I have owned a few others however. The one that was the most rugged and had best type quality, as well as being the slowest and noisiest was a Xerox Daisy Wheel with a sheet and envelop feeder (University of Michigan surplus). Resumes printed on it got an 83% response (In case someone says the physical quality of your resume doesn't matter). I have had two Canons an inkjet which clogged the head like crazy and a Laser printer. That old (10 years now?) LBP-430 is still chugging away as my text printer. I seem to get about 3000-4000 pages to a toner cartridge. That is cheap, no ink jet can do that. The other was a BJP-620. At the time I bought it it was their top of the line model with the individual ink cartridges. That is pretty common now but back then it was revolutionary. When I went to replace the ink head I found out it cost almost as much as a new printer, but since it was user replaceable I soaked it in a jar of rubbing alcohol for a week, did a couple of cleaning cycles to get the alcohol out of it and it worked fine. But the photo print quality wasn't up to any standard I could accept. In fact that was the printer that prompted my inkjet printer challenge here on the list. Your and everyone else's samples showed me that inkjets could do good photos. Currently my photo printer is a 3 year old Epson Stylus Photo 820. Slow, expensive to run with Epson ink and paper, cheap with off brand stuff from ebay. Prints better at 360 than at 720 which makes me believe that the 2880x720 spec is just advertising crap. It too has clogging problems for which is is justly infamous. However I have developed techniques which minimizes that: Print a nozzle check every week if I am not using it regularly. If it absolutely needs a head cleaning do one and let it set overnight before doing another nozzle check. That seems to work as well as doing 10-12 head cleanings which is what it seems to need if you follow Epson's instructions. Done their way you use more ink cleaning the nozzles than you do printing. Makes them lots of money, I guess. BTW, I have fewer clogs with the cheap ink than with the Epson, although the Epson ink give better color control. But back to the Designjet printers. They are nothing like HP's desktop printers. For one thing they have separate user replaceable heads, one for each ink so you do not need to buy a $400 head if just the Magenta is clogged. Print quality is more than just acceptable. Print life is almost unbelievable, 200 years under glass and away from UV even with glossy paper (they do specify that and give specs for not under glass, and even for under UV as well, all tests done by that company that everyone says is the best --name escapes me at the moment). At $1300 you do not get the Adobe RIP software, nor the roll paper feeder both of which I believe comes with the Epson 4000 ($2000), The new Epson 4800 ($more) has 8 inks, instead of the 6 of the Designjet-130 and Epson 4000. But how many of use use Postscript to print photos? So the fact that is an option is really a benefit for many of us. They are all basically "C" size (18x24) plotter/printers, however the Designjet will take hand or roll fed paper up to 24". As I said, I am just wishing, but if I could afford one that is what I would get. My 5mp digital P&S camera would not do it justice, and I would never print enough photos of my own to to pay for it. But if I could get one I could probably do some custom printing for others with it. (Aside to Mark Roberts: it will do 24"x64' (that's 64 feet) panoramas. You could probably have it print out while you were on a weekend trip to say GFM.) Go easy on flaming me now guys, I just got home from the hospital a few hours ago (sinus surgery, had to stay overnight as I was slow recovering from anesthesia, and bleeding), and am on painkillers right now. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Kenneth Waller wrote: Yes, I know other printers are available that will print larger. I'm interested in the best quality print I can get, at home from a printer I can afford. Until, I see otherwise I'll stick to Epson's line of printers. Ask Ge
Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws
Jack Davis wrote: How much longer will starving film cameras demand 35mm color pos/neg films be produced? What level of production and availability would qualify as "in production"? What's the likelihood of film's resuscitation through some manner of structural breakthrough? Un-answerable, but care to muse? Jack Film's evolving into a niche market. It will become raer and more expensive, but film is not likely to disappear any more than Large Format Film did when LF became mostly obsolete. -Adam
The Nature of Film's Final Throws
How much longer will starving film cameras demand 35mm color pos/neg films be produced? What level of production and availability would qualify as "in production"? What's the likelihood of film's resuscitation through some manner of structural breakthrough? Un-answerable, but care to muse? Jack Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot
They don't. Only when they want to send a message to someone photographing them. Jack --- Pancho Hasselbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I didn't know that they show their tongue when > shaking ;-) > > pancho > > Jack Davis schrieb: > > > Spent a couple 100 degree hours at Sacramento 's > Land > > Park Zoo awhile back. > > I envied a polar bear which kept diving into its > pool > > (probably refrigerated) and spinning to the > surface. > > Finally occurred to me to try for a shot. Didn't > get a > > solid freeze, but a "different" image. > > > > Jack > > > > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=86 > > > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >>In a message dated 8/24/2005 8:03:43 AM Pacific > >>Standard Time, > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >>I think it has to be this guy. > >>http://www.muddypawz.net/other_port/img_0002.htm > >> > >>He was sort of "sprung" upon me. I had gone to a > >>lady's house to photograph her two dogs and ended > up > >>taking photos of not only the dogs, but her horse, > >>rabbit and lizard too! Wasn't quite sure what to > do > >>with him. Luckily I had a swag of black velour in > my > >>bag and there happened to be this plant stand in > her > >>dining room so I hauled it over and stuck > mr.lizard > >>on > >>top. Came out quite well, I thought :-) > >> > >>Wendy > >>= > >>Hehehehe. Yes it did come out well. > >> > >>Very old fashioned kind of portrait shot. > Effective. > >> > >>Marnie aka Doe :-) > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Qs about metering
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: I asked 3 weeks ago about getting white out of spot metering something white; I reminder below: On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Aug 5, 2005, at 2:52 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: - The rule of thumb says that, in order to get a very snowy picture to look white, you add +2 to whatever the (say, CW) meter says. Will the +2 correction work with a white flower on a macro (ie mostly white) shot? Rules of thumb are approximations. It all depends where you want to place Zone IX ... Zone IX being defined as the brightest part of the scene that you want to retain detail in. - How many stops between 18% gray and pure white? Is it 2, as per the rule of thumb? 18% reflectance gray is Zone V. So if the flower is to be Zone IX, it's three stops brighter than Zone V. And here is the result: http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~kavousan/Orchid.jpg Z1-P, Tamron 90/2.8 SP, Superia 400, handheld. Spotmetered on the petal with EV+2. Many thanks! Kostas Impressive but that's a 500Kb image, Kostas. Not everyone is on broadband.. 8-)
Re: Qs about metering
I asked 3 weeks ago about getting white out of spot metering something white; I reminder below: On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Aug 5, 2005, at 2:52 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: - The rule of thumb says that, in order to get a very snowy picture to look white, you add +2 to whatever the (say, CW) meter says. Will the +2 correction work with a white flower on a macro (ie mostly white) shot? Rules of thumb are approximations. It all depends where you want to place Zone IX ... Zone IX being defined as the brightest part of the scene that you want to retain detail in. - How many stops between 18% gray and pure white? Is it 2, as per the rule of thumb? 18% reflectance gray is Zone V. So if the flower is to be Zone IX, it's three stops brighter than Zone V. And here is the result: http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~kavousan/Orchid.jpg Z1-P, Tamron 90/2.8 SP, Superia 400, handheld. Spotmetered on the petal with EV+2. Many thanks! Kostas
Re: Advice needed - Developing TRIX 400 35mm
Thanks much people ! i didn't think i will get the aswers so fast The film is in the scanner already... :) i've used the web site's formula to develop it (multiply by 1.4 as GrayWolf said) So it was 8:30 minutes in the developer and the results looks pretty good. Thanks a lot again ! Michael
Re: Full specs for the AF540FGZ
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Thibouille wrote: 3. Auto discharge-angle adjustment When mounted on a PENTAX autofocus SLR (after the Z-10 and including digital-format models) equipped with an FA-, FA J-, DFA- or DA- series lens, the AF540FGZ automatically adjusts its angle of discharge to the lens' focal length.* * This automatic function may not be available for certain combinations of a camera body and a lens. Not with -F lenses ? If yes, a step back from the 500 (checked) and 330 (from memory). I don't believe it. This *has to be* a very high-spec unit. Kostas
Re: Some select shots from the CC at GFMtn.
Hey, buddy, I saw your car at GFM, but no sign of you. I basically only stopped by on Friday to see how Don and Bill were doing. Was both broke and worrying about upcoming surgery, (now done, but it will be a week or so before I know how successful it was), So I did not hang around very long. Sorry I missed you. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Cesar wrote: These are just a few shots to let the PDML and others have a glimpse into the weekend at the Camera Clinic on Grandfather Mountain... http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/cameraclinic2005.msnw The shot of Scott that I talked of earlier is at http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/cameraclinic2005.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=994 There is a shot of him with his MX at http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/cameraclinic2005.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=991 I still hope to put up a page with more shots, but this was convenient for the moment. I did nothing but resize the images. Still trying to catch up to the list, César Panama City, Florida -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 8/25/2005
Re: CR-V3 rechargeables
On 25/8/05, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: >My bad. That is not a proper sentence. Your bad what?? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: quantity and quality
I've not yet worn out a shutter mechanism, I had my Nikon FM for almost 20 years. I can only hope the same is true for the Pentax DS. Godfrey On Aug 25, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Godfrey, There is still one thing that is indeed limitation, even to your style of shooting. That would be total number of clicks before shutter gives out... Otherwise you're quite right... Though my "style" differs from yours. -- Boris
Re: Advice needed - Developing TRIX 400 35mm
Thanks much people ! i didn't think i will get the aswers so fast The film is in the scanner already... :) i've used the web site's formula to develop it (multiply by 1.4 as GrayWolf noticed) So it was 8:30 minutes in the developer and the results looks pretty good. Thanks a lot again ! Michael Don Sanderson wrote: That makes a lot of sense to me. I agonised over trying to see the difference between the zone system N+1 development and simple push processing. My final opinion was that there wasn't any difference. You're simply trying to get the best possible result from an 'improperly' exposed negative. Michael: My Tri-X data sheet states that Tri-X has enough latitude that a one stop underexposure requires *NO* additional development time to compensate. If it were me however, I would give it 10-20 percent longer time just to bump the contrast up a bit. Don -Original Message- From: Graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:33 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Advice needed - Developing TRIX 400 35mm Tech stuff: While most folks speak of pushing to increase film speed, you are not actually doing that. What underexposure does is reduce contrast AND film latitude. By overdevloping you are increasing the contrast, but you have already lost the latitude and the shadow detail is gone. If that is acceptable in your final image pushing will work for that image. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" ---
Re: Mini London PDML
Was that a J-2 with a blower that you had, Keith ? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- keithw wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I hope the hen was well cooked... Ahhh, keeps me in mind of the old Morris Garages autos, it does... keith Cotty wrote: On 24/8/05, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty, Bob, what was the name of that ale again? Fuller's London Pride! Just had a pint myself, followed by a Speckled Hen. Cheers, Cotty -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/82 - Release Date: 8/25/2005
RE: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot - Thanks
Quite interesting to see how Google picked the advertising for that page -- Cheers, Bob > > How about some "the one that got away" stories? I'm sure > lots of people > > here have stories about those once in a lifetime stunning > images they > > came across when they didn't have a camera with them. > > > Or even _with_ a camera > http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg13937.html > > > >
RE: Advice needed - Developing TRIX 400 35mm
That makes a lot of sense to me. I agonised over trying to see the difference between the zone system N+1 development and simple push processing. My final opinion was that there wasn't any difference. You're simply trying to get the best possible result from an 'improperly' exposed negative. Michael: My Tri-X data sheet states that Tri-X has enough latitude that a one stop underexposure requires *NO* additional development time to compensate. If it were me however, I would give it 10-20 percent longer time just to bump the contrast up a bit. Don > -Original Message- > From: Graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:33 PM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Advice needed - Developing TRIX 400 35mm > Tech stuff: While most folks speak of pushing to increase film > speed, you are not actually doing that. What underexposure does > is reduce contrast AND film latitude. By overdevloping you are > increasing the contrast, but you have already lost the latitude > and the shadow detail is gone. If that is acceptable in your > final image pushing will work for that image. > > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- >
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot - Thanks
Bob Shell wrote: On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 03:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It’s hard to tell if this thread has run down yet. Maybe not. If you still want to, feel free to continue to add your reply/answer. However, I wanted to throw my thanks in now. Interesting replies!!! Ranging from the humorous to the very serious. I now have a lot of “weird” images in my head, including: feet, dead cats, lizards, hairs, naked bikers, twirling bears, etc. How about some "the one that got away" stories? I'm sure lots of people here have stories about those once in a lifetime stunning images they came across when they didn't have a camera with them. Or even _with_ a camera http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg13937.html
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot - Thanks
Ok, I'll do it this time... Mark! E.R.N. Reed wrote: Surely nobody here goes anywhere without a camera ... -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot - Thanks
Bob Shell wrote: On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 03:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It’s hard to tell if this thread has run down yet. Maybe not. If you still want to, feel free to continue to add your reply/answer. However, I wanted to throw my thanks in now. Interesting replies!!! Ranging from the humorous to the very serious. I now have a lot of “weird” images in my head, including: feet, dead cats, lizards, hairs, naked bikers, twirling bears, etc. How about some "the one that got away" stories? I'm sure lots of people here have stories about those once in a lifetime stunning images they came across when they didn't have a camera with them. Surely nobody here goes anywhere without a camera ...
RE: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot - Thanks
I've had plenty of those situations when I did have a camera with me, but other things stopped me getting the shot. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 August 2005 20:40 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot - Thanks > > In a message dated 8/25/2005 12:11:33 PM Pacific Standard > Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > How about some "the one that got away" stories? I'm sure > lots of people here have stories about those once in a > lifetime stunning images they came across when they didn't > have a camera with them. > > Bob > > Sure. You start a thread on that. > > Marnie aka Doe ;-) > > > >
RE: CR-V3 rechargeables
It's only 7 rolls of film. I have found that when I'm on a photographic trip I tend to shoot about 5 rolls a day on average, but (as I think Godfrey mentioned) that's a 12 hour day. Journalists that I have heard talk about it usually seem to reckon on about 6 rolls a day when they're covering an event. David Hurn in one of his books talks about ordering 1000 rolls of film for a year. Presumably he doesn't shoot every day. If you're in a fast-moving situation and you want to cover it adequately it's pretty easy to shoot a roll of film in a minute to get one shot. It's all part of shooting round the subject. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 August 2005 17:48 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: CR-V3 rechargeables > > Sheesh! 250 exposures a day is a lot. Over the course of an > 8 hour day, that's more than one exposure every two minutes, > assuming you don't break for lunch, afternoon tea, or go to > the bathroom. And on a busy day that works out to be closer > to one per minute, not considering breaks. >
Re: istDS Flash Question
> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:50:48 -0700 > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: istDS Flash Question > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I also hadn't paid any attention to that function as I thought that > > AF-MF > > switch is already their. > > Today, I realized when this can be helful (to me at least). > > Sometimes, AF of Tamron 70-300/4-5.6 in low light > > with the focal length close to 300, tends to hunt and miss if > > the original focus position was faraway from the target. > > What works for me is to "preset" it manually to the right range, > > so that it AF quickly and more reliably. > > In this case the functionality of the "OK" button can help. > > Interesting. When the light gets down to the point where the AF hunts > too much, I just switch to MF and do the focusing myself. Different > way of working, I guess. > > Godfrey > Yes, very often I do the same, - I do the focusing myself. I was referring to the situations when I still would need to catch the moment, and either the subject (person) would be moving a lot, or even more likely, - there would be several people near each other, and I would be trying to catch an interesting moment (gesture, face expression, body position..) from one of them. A good example of such situation is a stage performance. If there is only one person, I would switch to MF, focus, and would just wait for the right moment with my left hand on the focusing ring. Igor
Re: quantity and quality
Godfrey, There is still one thing that is indeed limitation, even to your style of shooting. That would be total number of clicks before shutter gives out... Otherwise you're quite right... Though my "style" differs from yours. -- Boris
Re: CR-V3 rechargeables
Sometimes you have to shoot quickly. In the former case, I had to shoot around 80 small groups as they came off stage and posed briefly. A minute or so per group, 4-5 frames per group. It adds up quickly. The second case was shooting breakdancers in action. Once again, shooting 3-4 frames at 2fps per subject, although less subjects and I was shooting each one several times. Lots of fun with a MF camera to be sure. -Adam Who will note both cases occured while I was indeed on vacation. Shel Belinkoff wrote: An exposure every 12 seconds or so doesn't seem like much thought went into composition or framing ... but then, I can see the desire to shoot a lot and shoot fast in some circumstances. Speaking only for myself, a slower approach often seems to work better. Anyway, there's a difference between a burst of enthusiastic shooting and making a lot of exposures consistently over a protracted period of time. I don't think I've the stamina for it. But then again, maybe with a digi I will ... Shel (visions of gigabytes dancing through my head) It's not that much. I've done around 230 in 2 hours at the last Anime Masquerade I shot, and 72 in 15 minutes last weekend when I ran across an open breakdance jam while running errands.
Re: film advance problem on MZ-5n
marco ferrari wrote: > Hi all, > I'm new to the PDML. > I'm experiencing an annoying problem on my MZ-5n. > > Sometime, but mainly with CR2 battery with about 10 rolls life, the > film does not advance correctly resulting in a partial double > exposures of some frames. This problem occurs at mid roll, for 1 or 2 > shots, it causes a change in the gauge between the frames and so I had > many mis-cut slides. > > As anyone experienced a similar problem? How to resolve it? I mean, > "unfortunately" this is not a clear issues, it occours randomly but > everything else seems to be ok. I do not think it is a mechanical > problem neither an electronic one. It seems that sometime the wind > motor has not the power to advance correctly the film. > > Thanks to all, > > Marco > Marco, I had a similar experience while using a battery grip with 4 AAs. It happened only once or twice, and I attributed it to the low batteries. I haven't done anything (rather than replacing the batteries), and it seemingly worked alright ever since that. A year or two years later the winder mechanism broke, but this could have been unrelated (could be from a impact/shake the camera experienced) Igor
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot - Thanks
In a message dated 8/25/2005 12:11:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about some "the one that got away" stories? I'm sure lots of people here have stories about those once in a lifetime stunning images they came across when they didn't have a camera with them. Bob Sure. You start a thread on that. Marnie aka Doe ;-)
Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot
Christian a écrit: - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Q. What is the most unusual subject matter you have ever shot? The most unique? Or the weirdest? Or simply the subject matter that you have had the hardest time "capturing" (either because it was hard to get to, or timing, or movement, or whatever)? Please expound. A. This one would most likely fall into the "weirdest" or "unusual subject matter" column for mainstream people. http://www.xian.us/ It was a lighting exercise. Hehehehe (like Marnie would probably say ;-) - looks like another kind of exercise to me... pancho
Re: CR-V3 rechargeables
You're quoting me out of context John. I've done the same thing plenty of times. Shel > [Original Message] > From: John Francis > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 11:15:00AM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > An exposure every 12 seconds or so doesn't seem like much thought went into > > composition or framing ... > > Once again, a rather disparaging put-down of alternative shooting styles.
