RE: A photo

[Bob W]

'Crushed' was the wrong choice of word. Also, I was telling people what to
think - something I'm always telling other people not to do - so I withdraw
that description.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Womer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 24 January 2006 00:18
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: A photo
> 
> Bob,
> 
> It does not evoke somebody being crushed by the world to 
> me--it just shows a guy in front of a computer.  If the image 
> were cropped and I could see more of his facial expression, 
> then he might evoke being crushed.
> 
> Rick

> > It needs straightening up a bit, and there's some burn-out in the 
> > whites, but otherwise I quite like it. I'd be interested to 
> hear other 
> > opinions.
> > 
> > http://www.web-options.com/Image02.jpg
> > 

RE: posted two pictures from my digital camera.

[Sandra Hermann]

I posted two more shots of the same subjects.  I am unsure which ones I like 
better.   I would appreciate more comments.




http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154

thank you
sandy






From: "Butch Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: 
Subject: RE:  posted two pictures from my digital camera.  Date: Mon, 23 
Jan 2006 20:46:41 -0500


Hi Sandy

I liked them both. I would have liked to see a version of the old fence 
line with the pole/line intersection moved from dead center to upper right 
hand rule of thirds intersection and maybe a bit more saturation in the 
maple tree


MY 2¢

Butch

RE: A photo

[Bob W]

Yes, you're right. I withdraw that description.

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 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 24 January 2006 05:24
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: A photo
> 
> Your comment reveals more about you than the photograph. I 
> like the shot, but find your interpretation somewhat odd.
> 
> Godfrey
[...]
> > It needs straightening up a bit, and there's some burn-out in the 
> > whites, but otherwise I quite like it. I'd be interested to 
> hear other 
> > opinions.
> >
> > http://www.web-options.com/Image02.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: A photo

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/01/23 Mon PM 11:08:08 GMT
> To: 
> Subject: A photo
> 
> Hi,
> 
> here's a photo of mine I just found while rummaging around in the
> undergrowth. I don't think I've shown it before. It's part of a
> long-neglected series which I work on intermittently showing people rather
> crushed by the world. 
> 
> It needs straightening up a bit, and there's some burn-out in the whites,
> but otherwise I quite like it. I'd be interested to hear other opinions.
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/Image02.jpg
> 

An organic form in a geometric world.  Works for me.


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Re: Re: OT: Capa Doc

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/01/23 Mon PM 11:33:12 GMT
> To: "pentax list" 
> Subject: Re: OT: Capa Doc
> 
> On 23/1/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >If only somebody would reveal themself to be a scientologist - we could burn
> >them at the stake to liven things up.

I met L. Ron at a SF convention in 1973.  Does that count?

> 
> Or cut their knackers off.

Maybe not.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 
> 


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Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Chris Stoddart]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Bob Shell wrote:

Anyone who considers taking him seriously should read some independent 
accounts of his history.  He used to hang out with Jack Parsons, who 
founded JPL in Pasadena, and blew himself up playing with rocket fuel 
in his garage.  The Parsons bio Sex And Rockets has some good stuff 
about Hubbard in it.


Many years ago as a physics undergrad I read Russell Miller's Hubbard bio 
"Bare-Faced Messiah", mostly for the hilarious 'science' in Scientology. 
The book tells you all you need to know about Hubbard. I've since found 
that the entire book is free to download/read online here:


http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm

not sure how legal this is - I assume the author has given his permission 
to the site.


Chris

Re: OT: Kodachrome 25

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/01/24 Tue AM 07:00:05 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: OT: Kodachrome 25
> 
> I just spent some time looking through some portraits taken with
> Kodachrome 25 from the late 70s or early 80s.  That's right,
> portraits.  The color is amazing.  Anyone have a recommendation how I
> might achieve this look today?
> 
> --

Reduce saturation by 75%?  8-)


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Re: PESO: Corban

[Derby Chang]

Bob Sullivan wrote:

Congratulate her for us!  Nice family pictures.  Head is still a bit
flat from the birthing process.  I liked the shot with Mom, baby and
Dad.  Dad looks a bit lost and is in for a good 18 year roller coaster
ride!
Regards,  Bob S.

On 1/23/06, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

My sister efficiently delivered a 4kg boy yesterday morning.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/index6/06_01_corban/index.htm

D

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LOL...that's what we were saying about Andrew. But he's holding his own 
up well.


Thanks, Bob.

D

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Re: OT: Capa Doc

[David Savage]

Sure I have, and those around me found the behaviour atypically
weird/strange/uncharacteristic.

BTW there is nothing wrong with weird, so long as it does no harm.

Dave

On 1/23/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you never had an outburst of some sort that was uncharacteristic of
> your usual behavior when you were feeling especially happy, or  excited, or
> exhilarated?
>
> Shel

Re: OT - Sloganize your name

[David Savage]

You forgot the exclamation point, so here's on of mine !

HTH

Dave :-)

On 1/23/06, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> cheers,
> don't just book it, knarf it
>
>
> --
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
>
>

Re: Re: OT: Capa Doc

[dagt]

> fra: Chris Stoddart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> dato: 2006/01/24 ti AM 09:50:58 CET
> til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> emne: Re: OT: Capa Doc
> 
> 
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Bob Shell wrote:
> 
> > Anyone who considers taking him seriously should read some independent 
> > accounts of his history.  He used to hang out with Jack Parsons, who 
> > founded JPL in Pasadena, and blew himself up playing with rocket fuel 
> > in his garage.  The Parsons bio Sex And Rockets has some good stuff 
> > about Hubbard in it.
> 
> Many years ago as a physics undergrad I read Russell Miller's Hubbard bio 
> "Bare-Faced Messiah", mostly for the hilarious 'science' in Scientology. 
> The book tells you all you need to know about Hubbard. I've since found 
> that the entire book is free to download/read online here:
> 
> http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm
> 
> not sure how legal this is - I assume the author has given his permission 
> to the site.
> 
> Chris

I would think they have. Otherwise both CoS and the author would have been all 
over them.

Clambake (www.xenu.net) is a Norwegian page that the Scientologist have been 
trying to stop for several years.  They have tried to make search engines 
remove their references, go to court for citing "secret" information from them 
etc, but they haven't managed it yet.  Copyright is actively used by CoS to 
stop critiques in a lot of places, but it doesn't work that way around here.

We have the right to cite passages that we are discussing, but not to let 
people download complete books and after a lot of trouble I think Andreas 
Heldal-Lund knows something about Copyright laws .-)

DagT

Re: Re: OT: Capa Doc

[dagt]

> fra: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > fra: Chris Stoddart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Bob Shell wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Many years ago as a physics undergrad I read Russell Miller's Hubbard bio 
> > "Bare-Faced Messiah", mostly for the hilarious 'science' in Scientology. 
> > The book tells you all you need to know about Hubbard. I've since found 
> > that the entire book is free to download/read online here:
> > 
> > http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm
> > 
> > not sure how legal this is - I assume the author has given his permission 
> > to the site.
> > 
> > Chris
> 
> I would think they have. Otherwise both CoS and the author would have been 
> all over them.
> 
> Clambake (www.xenu.net) is a Norwegian page that the Scientologist have been 
> trying to stop for several years.  They have tried to make search engines 
> remove their references, go to court for citing "secret" information from 
> them etc, but they haven't managed it yet.  Copyright is actively used by CoS 
> to stop critiques in a lot of places, but it doesn't work that way around 
> here.
> 
> We have the right to cite passages that we are discussing, but not to let 
> people download complete books and after a lot of trouble I think Andreas 
> Heldal-Lund knows something about Copyright laws .-)
> 
> DagT

PS: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=232
As you can see they are trying to ban any web page criticising Scientology by 
referring to their trademarks and copyrights (so we may have to stop discussing 
them here .-) 

Re: Fwd: Re: Financal Condition of Pentax

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lucas Rijnders wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:30:51 +0100, Kostas Kavoussanakis 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, John Forbes wrote:

As for the rest, I think you underestimate the power of your own voice. 
The person who started this thread said he had read that Pentax was in 
financial difficulties.  How many other people have read one of Herb's 
posts and believed it?  According to Herb's prognostications, Pentax went 
bust six months ago.


Let me tried to understand this: is the imaging division of Pentax now 
making profit? That's the one Herb was saying was a loss-maker. He always 
said that the company, as a whole, was making money.


According to their latest report (2005.11.09: Interim Report on Settlement of 
Accounts ( Consolidated ) for Business Year Ending March 31, 2006), the 
imaging division made an operating loss.


The company as a whole is profitable.


Which is what Herb has always said. Of course he guessed whether the 
company would close down the loss-making division, but of course all 
anyone can do about that is guess.


Kostas

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 1:38:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sure I have, and those around me found the behaviour atypically
weird/strange/uncharacteristic.

BTW there is nothing wrong with weird, so long as it does no harm.

Dave
=
After reading some of the Operation Clambake site, I retract what I 
previously said.

Tom is not weird. Wrong adjective. He is pitiful.

Marnie aka Doe  ;-)

Re: Financal Condition of Pentax

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 3:03:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, John Forbes wrote:
>> 
>>> As for the rest, I think you underestimate the power of your own voice. 
>>> The person who started this thread said he had read that Pentax was in 
>>> financial difficulties.  How many other people have read one of Herb's 
>>> posts and believed it?  According to Herb's prognostications, Pentax went 
>>> bust six months ago.
>> 
>> Let me tried to understand this: is the imaging division of Pentax now 
>> making profit? That's the one Herb was saying was a loss-maker. He always 
>> said that the company, as a whole, was making money.
>
> According to their latest report (2005.11.09: Interim Report on Settlement 
of 
> Accounts ( Consolidated ) for Business Year Ending March 31, 2006), the 
> imaging division made an operating loss.
>
> The company as a whole is profitable.

Which is what Herb has always said. Of course he guessed whether the 
company would close down the loss-making division, but of course all 
anyone can do about that is guess.

Kostas

Yes, I agree. Herb may have been dubious about Pentax's future, but he did 
not distort the figures. He reported the financial facts accurately.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: The Future of Film?

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 2:26:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 1/21/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Godfrey, I love ya, but sometimes you rub people the wrong way.

Now there's a straightline just begging for a punchline...



cheers,
frank
=
Better you than me, frank. But, boy, boy, boy, was I really tempted by that 
the other day. 

Marnie aka Doe ;-) Only I gave up sarcasm as a mode in my twenties.

Re: OT: Kodachrome 25

[Bob Shell]

On Jan 24, 2006, at 2:00 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:


I just spent some time looking through some portraits taken with
Kodachrome 25 from the late 70s or early 80s.  That's right,
portraits.  The color is amazing.  Anyone have a recommendation how I
might achieve this look today?


Funny you should ask that, Scott. Alien Skin Software today  
introduced Exposure.  Part of this Photoshop plug-in is a suite of  
filters that emulate the look of specific films.  Kodachrome 25 is  
there.  They even have a filter to emulate the old GAF 500 slide film  
from the 70s!!  The other part of the suite emulates a wide variety  
of black and white films.  I've been playing with a pre-release  
version for a little while and have had great fun converting some of  
my digital shots and scans to the looks of a variety of old films.  I  
just checked and don't see the info on their web site yet, but it  
should be up later today since this is the embargo date they gave  
us.  www.alienskin.com


Bob

Re: PESO: Pines

[Paul Stenquist]

Very nice. The light through the trees is quite beautiful.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Here is another shot from the other morning.
*ist DS and 16-45mm
 http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/pines.jpg
Regards,  Bob S.

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Bob Shell]

On Jan 24, 2006, at 3:32 AM, mike wilson wrote:



I met L. Ron at a SF convention in 1973.  Does that count?



I doubt it.

BTW, in case you folks didn't know, ol' L. Ron was an avid  
photographer.  Since his followers supported him in a very lavish  
lifestyle he owned a large collection of Linhof, Rollei, Zeiss,  
Hasselblad, etc.  Only the finest.  The Scientologists have published  
a book about his photography that includes a bunch of his photos  
(average in quality) and photos of his extensive collection of gear.   
They sent me a copy some time ago.  I couldn't help but think while  
looking through it what a really good photographer could have done  
with all of that stuff.


You know, maybe we should form a religion and get rich.   
"Pentaxology", "Asahiology", "Takumarism".  Whaddaya think?


Bob

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Bob Shell]

On Jan 24, 2006, at 4:57 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


PS: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=232
As you can see they are trying to ban any web page criticising  
Scientology by referring to their trademarks and copyrights (so we  
may have to stop discussing them here .-)



Bullshit!  The Fair Use exemption allows quoting from copyrighted  
works in criticism, which this certainly is.  I believe there is a  
similar exemption in trademark law.  Otherwise free speech would be  
stifled.


Bob

Re: Fwd: Re: Financal Condition of Pentax

[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:01:54 +0100 schreef Kostas Kavoussanakis  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Lucas Rijnders wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:30:51 +0100, Kostas Kavoussanakis  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, John Forbes wrote:


read one of Herb's posts and believed it?  According to Herb's  
prognostications, Pentax went bust six months ago.


According to their latest report (2005.11.09: Interim Report on  
Settlement of Accounts ( Consolidated ) for Business Year Ending March  
31, 2006), the imaging division made an operating loss.


The company as a whole is profitable.


Which is what Herb has always said.


Yes. I never doubted his numbers. I would like to know his source, though  
:)


Of course he guessed whether the company would close down the  
loss-making division,


Or at least cut back investments. Herb's (and other's) problem was that he  
wanted a higher spec body, one even over the *ist-D. With some serious  
innovations (better AF, HSM, IS). It was/is highly unlikely that Pentax  
would deliver that, given the small and difficult market for such a body,  
and the neccessary high investments to develop it.


Even worse for those waiting for a pro K-mount body: If I look at previous  
645's (spec's and interface) Pentax seems to take the current top K-mount  
body and give it a larger sensor. That way they have a professional  
offering, without much added cost. If they did that in their heyday, they  
won't abandon that strategy now and the 645D will simply be an *ist-D with  
a large sensor. It'll feature P-TTL, SAFOX VIII, the *ist's lightmeter,  
etc, but no innovations that require large investments...



but of course all anyone can do about that is guess.


Indeed. The above is just that :)

--
Regards, Lucas

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Doug Franklin]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:46:48 -0500, Bob Shell wrote:

> 
> On Jan 24, 2006, at 4:57 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > PS: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=232
> > As you can see they are trying to ban any web page criticising  
> > Scientology by referring to their trademarks and copyrights (so we  
> > may have to stop discussing them here .-)
> 
> 
> Bullshit!  The Fair Use exemption allows quoting from copyrighted  
> works in criticism, which this certainly is.  I believe there is a  
> similar exemption in trademark law.  Otherwise free speech would be  
> stifled.

Like any other frivolous use of the court system, their aim is not to
uphold or enforce the law, but to make antagonizing them too expensive
for most people to consider.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: OT: Kodachrome 25

[Paul Stenquist]

With enough time and patience, you can copy any tint/saturation 
level/contrast level through digital manipulation.

Paul
On Jan 24, 2006, at 2:00 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:


I just spent some time looking through some portraits taken with
Kodachrome 25 from the late 70s or early 80s.  That's right,
portraits.  The color is amazing.  Anyone have a recommendation how I
might achieve this look today?

--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman

Re: OT: Kodachrome 25

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Bob Shell wrote:

Funny you should ask that, Scott. Alien Skin Software today introduced 
Exposure.  Part of this Photoshop plug-in is a suite of filters that emulate 
the look of specific films.  Kodachrome 25 is there.  They even have a filter 
to emulate the old GAF 500 slide film from the 70s!!  The other part of the 
suite emulates a wide variety of black and white films.  I've been playing 
with a pre-release version for a little while and have had great fun 
converting some of my digital shots and scans to the looks of a variety of 
old films.  I just checked and don't see the info on their web site yet, but 
it should be up later today since this is the embargo date they gave us. 
www.alienskin.com


Thanks Bob. This could be very interesting. The oldest emulsion I use 
is Tri-X followed by... Superia :-) I can see a lot of historical, 
even educational value in taking a picture and applying these filters.


Assuming that they are accurate.

And bypassing the fact that I don't have any of the required software; 
still, maybe one day...


Kostas

Re: Re: OT: Capa Doc

[dagt]

> fra: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> On Jan 24, 2006, at 4:57 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > PS: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=232
> > As you can see they are trying to ban any web page criticising  
> > Scientology by referring to their trademarks and copyrights (so we  
> > may have to stop discussing them here .-)
> 
> 
> Bullshit!  The Fair Use exemption allows quoting from copyrighted  
> works in criticism, which this certainly is.  I believe there is a  
> similar exemption in trademark law.  Otherwise free speech would be  
> stifled.

I'm sure you are right, but the threat of going to court will often be 
enough

Anyway: Try searching for "Xenu Leaflet" on Google and see what happens. I get 
a message that some links are removed.

DagT

Re: Re: OT: Capa Doc

[dagt]

> fra: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:46:48 -0500, Bob Shell wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 2006, at 4:57 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > PS: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=232
> > > As you can see they are trying to ban any web page criticising  
> > > Scientology by referring to their trademarks and copyrights (so we  
> > > may have to stop discussing them here .-)
> > 
> > 
> > Bullshit!  The Fair Use exemption allows quoting from copyrighted  
> > works in criticism, which this certainly is.  I believe there is a  
> > similar exemption in trademark law.  Otherwise free speech would be  
> > stifled.
> 
> Like any other frivolous use of the court system, their aim is not to
> uphold or enforce the law, but to make antagonizing them too expensive
> for most people to consider.

True. A nice thing around here is that if they lost, which they would, they 
would have to pay Clambakes expenses related to the trial.

And another thing for the very interested: On Clambakes pages they describe how 
you can get a copy of some of CoS "secret documents" legally.  They were used 
in a trial in Sweden, and all documents used in such a trial is publically 
available...

DagT

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject: Re: OT: Capa Doc




Tom is not weird. Wrong adjective. He is pitiful.


Perhaps he has been brainwashed.

William Robb

Re: Fwd: Re: Financal Condition of Pentax

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Lucas Rijnders"

Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Financal Condition of Pentax





Or at least cut back investments. Herb's (and other's) problem was that he 
wanted a higher spec body, one even over the *ist-D.


Herb's problem was (is) that Pentax was (is) showing no interest in 
producing a DSLR body that was (is) up to the capabilities of the glass he 
was using.

The Nikon D2X seems to be doing what he wants it to do.

William Robb 

Re: Kodachrome 25

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless" 
Subject: OT: Kodachrome 25




I just spent some time looking through some portraits taken with
Kodachrome 25 from the late 70s or early 80s.  That's right,
portraits.  The color is amazing.  Anyone have a recommendation how I
might achieve this look today?


Kodachrome is still available.

William Robb

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[frank theriault]

On 1/23/06, Powell Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Geees frank!  Get with the program.  You can't go apologising in the middle
> of a flame war.
>
> Powell

Yes, well, I knew it was a phoney flame war, so I was just joking around.

If it were a real flame war, Robb would not have said f***, he'd have said fuck.

cheers,
f***k


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[frank theriault]

On 1/23/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>
> Damned Easterners.
>

Damned Westerners.

-k

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[frank theriault]

On 1/23/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Or cut their knackers off.

That seems to be your answer to everything these days, Cotty!  

-*r*nk
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[frank theriault]

On 1/23/06, Keith McGuinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't care if he likes to give interviews sitting in a bath of
> warm custard with a lampshade on his head.
>
> That would be weird, but harmless.
>
> Scientology is weird BUT NOT harmless. The organisation harrasses
> and hounds critics very vigorously.
>
> The religion/cult/philosophy [take your pick; I'm not going to
> argue about it 8-)] -- by denying modern medicine, particularly
> psychiatry -- has the potential to harm its followers; and
> certainly HAS done in specific cases.
>
> By promoting scientology -- and specifically by criticising
> modern psychiatry from a position of ignorance -- Tom Cruise is
> potentially harming people.
>
> Now, the cynical side of me is inclined to say that anyone who
> takes health advice from an actor/celebrity deserves what they
> get (i.e. bad advice).
>
> The not-so-cynical side, realises that people with major physical
> or psychological problems may NOT make entirely rational or
> informed judgements.
>
> Tom Cruise is perfectly entitled to state his opinions.
>
> Others are perfectly entitled to "bag him" when he strays from
> his area of expertise -- the art of make believe -- and makes
> statements which are ignorant, misinformed or wrong; especially
> when such statements have the potential to cause harm.
>
> Keith McG
>
> PS I like so of his movies too.

Stop making so much sense!

-fr*nk

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Olympus VariMagni finder...

[Fred]

> The Oly right angle finder I bought on impulse the other day arrived. It
> is a *perfect* fit to the *ist DS viewfinder and works extremely well.
> Yes, the image is left-right mirrored, but for what I use these things
> for, that's not a problem. The optical quality is excellent too ... It's
> extremely easy to focus my A50/2.8 Macro with the VariMagni fitted and
> eyepiece focused. The 1.2x magnification gives a perfect full-frame view,
> the 2.5x gives excellent magnification of the center section for critical
> focusing.

I have to concur with almost all of what Godfrey reported.  The only part
that sort of "surprised" me a little was the reported " *perfect* " fit to
the eyepiece.  I had one of these OM critters once and its fit seemed just
a little tight, or just a little "snug" to the eyepiece.  However, that was
way back when I was trying it out on LX's and Super A's.  It was fully
usable, as Godfrey has described (the mirror image is not a big deal, as he
has mentioned, although the correct image of the Refconverter-M, etc. is
still nicer), but it seemed to take just slightly more force to mount the
Varimagni to the Pentax M-sized eyepiece.  Of course, the *ist* eyepieces
could be ~very~ slightly different from the film M-sized Pentaxes, but they
can't be all that different, since they still work well with M-sized
eyepiece accessories.  However, the Varimagni is definitely an option for
the Pentaxer...

Fred

Re: OT: Scientology (was Capa Doc)

[Bob Shell]

On Jan 24, 2006, at 7:33 AM, William Robb wrote:


Tom is not weird. Wrong adjective. He is pitiful.


Perhaps he has been brainwashed.



It would only take the "trial size" detergent pack to do that.

Bob

Re: OT, but photo related

[brooksdj]

> On 23 Jan 2006 at 15:56, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> 
> > Seems our town has plans of starting a Community Radio Station in its 
> > future. I have
> > emailed the 
> > Manager and asked if they were still looking for Volunteers for on air 
> > personal,
producers
> > etc.
> 
> Good stuff, just make sure that you remind the manager that you are a 
> volunteer 
> when they start becoming too demanding, they often forget.

Thats why i don't do the horse banquets anymore.LOL

Dave
> 
> 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
> 

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[frank theriault]

On 1/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Tom is not weird. Wrong adjective. He is pitiful.

Listen, Marnie, I've met Mr. Reese at the past two GFM NPW's, and I
think "pitiful" is a bit too strong of word to describe him.

Pathetic maybe, but not pitiful...



cheers,
fra*k


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: Seattle Without Rain

[frank theriault]

On 1/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All those headlights.  Are they heading for Detroit?  Go Seahawks!
> Jim A.

I'm very happy that the Seahawks are in the Super Bowl.  I'm happy for
them, and for the city of Seattle.

While I wouldn't be too disappointed if they win, I've gotta say I'm
pulling for Blitzburgh.  I'm a Notre Dame fan, so I've followed Jerome
Bettis' career with some interest.  He's had such a long and
distinguished stay in the NFL, I think it would be great if he could
end it with a Super Bowl ring.  So many over-paid athletes are
womanizing, drug and steroid addicted, gun-toting jerks;  it's nice to
see a guy who seems to have kept his head in the midst of all that
over the years.  I'd love to see him (and them) win.

cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT - Complaint about Cotty (Was OT - Sloganize your name)

[frank theriault]

On 1/23/06, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "...if Cotty can overawe and befuddle a sufficient number of
> prominent individuals"
>
> Hmmm.

"If"?

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: Pines

[frank theriault]

On 1/23/06, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is another shot from the other morning.
> *ist DS and 16-45mm
>  http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/pines.jpg
> Regards,  Bob S.

That's really nice composition!  I like the way the edge of the
treestand occupies the bottom righthand corner of the frame.  And,
there are few things more beautiful than trees covered with new-fallen
snow.

Well conceived, well captured, beautiful photo!

cheers,
frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Fwd: Re: Financal Condition of Pentax

[Pål Jensen]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Which is what Herb has always said. Of course he guessed whether the 
company would close down the loss-making division, but of course all 
anyone can do about that is guess.



Closing down 50% of your business is pretty drastic


Pål 

Re: A photo

[frank theriault]

On 1/23/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> here's a photo of mine I just found while rummaging around in the
> undergrowth. I don't think I've shown it before. It's part of a
> long-neglected series which I work on intermittently showing people rather
> crushed by the world.
>
> It needs straightening up a bit, and there's some burn-out in the whites,
> but otherwise I quite like it. I'd be interested to hear other opinions.
>
> http://www.web-options.com/Image02.jpg
>

Very stark.  I like the tilt, the high contrast, the bright light, the
"aloneness" of the man.  Wonderful, strong composition.

I'd love to see the rest of the series.

Great stuff.

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Kodachrome 25

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

William Robb
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:42:55 -0800
>
>- Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: OT:
Kodachrome 25 
>
>>I just spent some time looking through some portraits taken with
>>Kodachrome 25 from the late 70s or early 80s.  That's right,
>>portraits.  The color is amazing.  Anyone have a recommendation how I
>>might achieve this look today?
>
>Kodachrome is still available.
>
>William Robb

Are you suggesting that someone actually *use* film?
What's gotten into you?

Collin


mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .

OT: NFQ

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Repeating history all over again ...
Adding skins to make digital images look like film.

What shall we call it?
Does that make it "Near Film Quality"?

Now where's my Nagaoka?

Collin



mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .

Re: OT, but photo related

[Dave Kennedy]

Sounds like fun. Have a blast. let us know when it's up and running.

dk

On 1/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seems our town has plans of starting a Community Radio Station in its future. 
> I have
> emailed the
> Manager and asked if they were still looking for Volunteers for on air 
> personal, producers
> etc.
>
> I mentioned my 3 years in radio(1971-73) and 4 years in TV 
> production,(1971-1974) and he
> informed
> me i was most welcome into the fold.
>
> Still need to get funds and approval from the CRTC(same as the FCC in the 
> states). I also
> mentioned my
> photo hobby and equine work and i'v been asked to do some photo work for the 
> web site and
> shoot
> the fund raiser Feb 4th.
>
> Possible weekly Blues show and or something in an equestrian theme. After 
> all, we are in
> the Country
> up here,..for now.:-)
>
> Just thought i'd share, Captain R is out of retierment.LOL.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>

Re: Re: Kodachrome 25

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 12:40:21 GMT
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Kodachrome 25
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Scott Loveless" 
> Subject: OT: Kodachrome 25
> 
> 
> >I just spent some time looking through some portraits taken with
> > Kodachrome 25 from the late 70s or early 80s.  That's right,
> > portraits.  The color is amazing.  Anyone have a recommendation how I
> > might achieve this look today?
> 
> Kodachrome is still available.
> 

Not 25, sadly.  Unless someone wants to make an offer for my remaining roll.

Also, there is only the Swiss facility in Europe for processing.  You can't 
even send your film to your national centre for forwarding any more.

mike


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Re: OT: Kodachrome 25

[Steve Jolly]

Bob Shell wrote:
Funny you should ask that, Scott. Alien Skin Software today introduced 
Exposure.  Part of this Photoshop plug-in is a suite of filters that 
emulate the look of specific films.  Kodachrome 25 is there.  They even 
have a filter to emulate the old GAF 500 slide film from the 70s!!  The 
other part of the suite emulates a wide variety of black and white 
films.  I've been playing with a pre-release version for a little while 
and have had great fun converting some of my digital shots and scans to 
the looks of a variety of old films.  I just checked and don't see the 
info on their web site yet, but it should be up later today since this 
is the embargo date they gave us.  www.alienskin.com


Looks interesting, but to my mind, $199 is a lot of money to pay for a 
few photoshop actions or PSP scripts - personally I'd rather put the 
effort into creating the exact effect I want, rather than pay for 
someone else's attempt at duplicating the effects of a few old films.


S

Re: PESO: Seattle Without Rain

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On 1/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> All those headlights.  Are they heading for Detroit?  Go Seahawks!
>
>I'm very happy that the Seahawks are in the Super Bowl.  I'm happy for
>them, and for the city of Seattle.
>
>While I wouldn't be too disappointed if they win, I've gotta say I'm
>pulling for Blitzburgh.  I'm a Notre Dame fan, so I've followed Jerome
>Bettis' career with some interest.  He's had such a long and
>distinguished stay in the NFL, I think it would be great if he could
>end it with a Super Bowl ring.  So many over-paid athletes are
>womanizing, drug and steroid addicted, gun-toting jerks;  it's nice to
>see a guy who seems to have kept his head in the midst of all that
>over the years.  I'd love to see him (and them) win.

You having a Super Bowl party, Frank?
I need to get out of Pittsburgh on the big day :)
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: PESO: Pines

[wendy beard]

On 1/23/06, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is another shot from the other morning.
> *ist DS and 16-45mm
>  http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/pines.jpg

Love the light through the trees

--
Wendy Beard
Ottawa
Canada

Re: OT: Scientology (was Capa Doc)

[David Savage]

On 1/24/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jan 24, 2006, at 7:33 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
> >> Tom is not weird. Wrong adjective. He is pitiful.
> >
> > Perhaps he has been brainwashed.
>
>
> It would only take the "trial size" detergent pack to do that.
>
> Bob
>

LOL

Dave

Re: PESO: Pines

[David Savage]

I likes it.

Dave

On 1/24/06, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is another shot from the other morning.
> *ist DS and 16-45mm
>  http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/pines.jpg
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>

Re: OT: Kodachrome 25

[wendy beard]

On 1/24/06, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just spent some time looking through some portraits taken with
> Kodachrome 25 from the late 70s or early 80s.  That's right,
> portraits.  The color is amazing.  Anyone have a recommendation how I
> might achieve this look today?
>

If you're on a PC, virtual photographer is free and has loads of film effects

http://www.optikvervelabs.com


--
Wendy Beard
Ottawa
Canada

Re: OT: Kodachrome 25

[Dario Bonazza]

And then you can put on sale your  "Jollyplays" plug-ins.

Dario

Steve Jolly wrote:


Bob Shell wrote:
Funny you should ask that, Scott. Alien Skin Software today introduced 
Exposure.  Part of this Photoshop plug-in is a suite of filters that 
emulate the look of specific films.  Kodachrome 25 is there.  They even 
have a filter to emulate the old GAF 500 slide film from the 70s!!  The 
other part of the suite emulates a wide variety of black and white 
films.  I've been playing with a pre-release version for a little while 
and have had great fun converting some of my digital shots and scans to 
the looks of a variety of old films.  I just checked and don't see the 
info on their web site yet, but it should be up later today since this 
is the embargo date they gave us.  www.alienskin.com


Looks interesting, but to my mind, $199 is a lot of money to pay for a 
few photoshop actions or PSP scripts - personally I'd rather put the 
effort into creating the exact effect I want, rather than pay for 
someone else's attempt at duplicating the effects of a few old films.


S

Re: OT: Kodachrome 25

[Steve Jolly]

Dario Bonazza wrote:

And then you can put on sale your  "Jollyplays" plug-ins.


Heh, you don't think that people might be more tempted to pay me to 
delete the plugins and then burn the hard disk to ashes? ;-)


S

Re: Olympus VariMagni finder...

[Perry Pellechia]

Thanks for the report Godfrey,

I held off on my purchase of the Olympus finder and took a chance on
this cheap bin.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7578989152

It is probably for a K body since I had to take a file to it to make
it fit.  Most I can figure it is a Prinz brand based on the model
number.  It too has the horizontal view reversed.

Not the greatest optic but it is bright enough and fairly well made. 
It also fits my number one criteria: cheap!  I would rate this one of
my better ebay bargains.

Perry.

On 1/24/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just wanted to report back on this ... The Oly right angle finder I
> bought on impulse the other day arrived. It is a *perfect* fit to the
> *ist DS viewfinder and works extremely well. Yes, the image is left-
> right mirrored, but for what I use these things for, that's not a
> problem. The optical quality is excellent too ... It's extremely easy
> to focus my A50/2.8 Macro with the VariMagni fitted and eyepiece
> focused. The 1.2x magnification gives a perfect full-frame view, the
> 2.5x gives excellent magnification of the center section for critical
> focusing.
>
> Well worth it.
>
> Godfrey
>
>


--

<>
Perry Pellechia

Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
<>

Re: PESO: Tank on a perch

[David Savage]

What, you've been dozing on the cat perch?

Nice shot...for a cat picture :-)

Dave

On 1/24/06, Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I haven't posted a photo here in a while. This is one of the reasons why :) :
> http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/478517/1/53498988
>
> Cropped for camera tilt.
>
> Amita
>
>

Re: Re: PESO: Seattle Without Rain

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 02:40:21 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO: Seattle Without Rain
> 
> frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >On 1/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> All those headlights.  Are they heading for Detroit?  Go Seahawks!
> >
> >I'm very happy that the Seahawks are in the Super Bowl.  I'm happy for
> >them, and for the city of Seattle.
> >
> >While I wouldn't be too disappointed if they win, I've gotta say I'm
> >pulling for Blitzburgh.  I'm a Notre Dame fan, so I've followed Jerome
> >Bettis' career with some interest.  He's had such a long and
> >distinguished stay in the NFL, I think it would be great if he could
> >end it with a Super Bowl ring.  So many over-paid athletes are
> >womanizing, drug and steroid addicted, gun-toting jerks;  it's nice to
> >see a guy who seems to have kept his head in the midst of all that
> >over the years.  I'd love to see him (and them) win.
> 
> You having a Super Bowl party, Frank?
> I need to get out of Pittsburgh on the big day :)
>  

It won't be on the TV at our house.


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Re: PESO: Seattle Without Rain

[Mark Roberts]

mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>> frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 1/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> All those headlights.  Are they heading for Detroit?  Go Seahawks!
>> >
>> >I'm very happy that the Seahawks are in the Super Bowl.  I'm happy for
>> >them, and for the city of Seattle.
>> >
>> >While I wouldn't be too disappointed if they win, I've gotta say I'm
>> >pulling for Blitzburgh.  I'm a Notre Dame fan, so I've followed Jerome
>> >Bettis' career with some interest.  He's had such a long and
>> >distinguished stay in the NFL, I think it would be great if he could
>> >end it with a Super Bowl ring.  So many over-paid athletes are
>> >womanizing, drug and steroid addicted, gun-toting jerks;  it's nice to
>> >see a guy who seems to have kept his head in the midst of all that
>> >over the years.  I'd love to see him (and them) win.
>> 
>> You having a Super Bowl party, Frank?
>> I need to get out of Pittsburgh on the big day :)
>
>It won't be on the TV at our house.

Great! I'll be there at game time!
 
Lisa and I were out in the unseasonably warm weather doing some
gardening during last Sunday's playoff game. Every so often we'd hear
loud cheers from several nearby houses. We were indoors having a cup of
tea around 6:00 when we heard fireworks being set off all over the
neighborhood. Fireworks! Pittsburgh takes its football seriously.
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Re: Kodachrome 25

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, mike wilson wrote:


From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 12:40:21 GMT
To: 
Subject: Re: Kodachrome 25

Kodachrome is still available.



Not 25, sadly.  Unless someone wants to make an offer for my remaining roll.

Also, there is only the Swiss facility in Europe for processing.  You can't 
even send your film to your national centre for forwarding any more.


Isn't it E6? What is special about it?

Interested for general knowledge,

Kostas

Re: Re: Kodachrome 25

[David Savage]

On 1/24/06, Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, mike wilson wrote:
>
> >> Wrom: HJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNY
> >> Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 12:40:21 GMT
> >> To: 
> >> Subject: Re: Kodachrome 25
> >>
> >> Kodachrome is still available.
> >>
> >
> > Not 25, sadly.  Unless someone wants to make an offer for my remaining roll.
> >
> > Also, there is only the Swiss facility in Europe for processing.  You can't 
> > even send your film to your national centre for forwarding any more.
>
> Isn't it E6? What is special about it?
>
> Interested for general knowledge,
>
> Kostas
>

It's a completely different process to E-6. Here's a brief explanation
that I found:



Dave

Re: Re: PESO: Seattle Without Rain

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 03:12:58 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO: Seattle Without Rain
> 
> mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> 
> >> frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On 1/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> All those headlights.  Are they heading for Detroit?  Go Seahawks!
> >> >
> >> >I'm very happy that the Seahawks are in the Super Bowl.  I'm happy for
> >> >them, and for the city of Seattle.
> >> >
> >> >While I wouldn't be too disappointed if they win, I've gotta say I'm
> >> >pulling for Blitzburgh.  I'm a Notre Dame fan, so I've followed Jerome
> >> >Bettis' career with some interest.  He's had such a long and
> >> >distinguished stay in the NFL, I think it would be great if he could
> >> >end it with a Super Bowl ring.  So many over-paid athletes are
> >> >womanizing, drug and steroid addicted, gun-toting jerks;  it's nice to
> >> >see a guy who seems to have kept his head in the midst of all that
> >> >over the years.  I'd love to see him (and them) win.
> >> 
> >> You having a Super Bowl party, Frank?
> >> I need to get out of Pittsburgh on the big day :)
> >
> >It won't be on the TV at our house.
> 
> Great! I'll be there at game time!
>  
> Lisa and I were out in the unseasonably warm weather doing some
> gardening during last Sunday's playoff game. Every so often we'd hear
> loud cheers from several nearby houses. We were indoors having a cup of
> tea around 6:00 when we heard fireworks being set off all over the
> neighborhood. Fireworks! Pittsburgh takes its football seriously.
>  
I'll put the kettle on and Cath will do one of her red onion tart tatanes.


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Re: Re: Kodachrome 25

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 03:14:26 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Re: Kodachrome 25
> 
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, mike wilson wrote:
> 
> >> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 12:40:21 GMT
> >> To: 
> >> Subject: Re: Kodachrome 25
> >>
> >> Kodachrome is still available.
> >>
> >
> > Not 25, sadly.  Unless someone wants to make an offer for my remaining roll.
> >
> > Also, there is only the Swiss facility in Europe for processing.  You can't 
> > even send your film to your national centre for forwarding any more.
> 
> Isn't it E6? What is special about it?
> 
> Interested for general knowledge,

I forget the name of the process (it's something like K13 - you will find it in 
google) but it is a process that inserts dye into the film rather than causing 
dye precursors to become visible, as E6 does.  It is a much more complicated 
process than E6.

http://historicphotoarchive.com/index.html
http://www.subclub.org/shop/kodachro.htm


It's also a much better system than E6.


mike


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Re: Kodachrome 25

[Mark Roberts]

Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, mike wilson wrote:

>> Also, there is only the Swiss facility in Europe for processing.  You can't 
>> even send your film to your national centre for forwarding any more.
>
>Isn't it E6? What is special about it?

Very different from E6. I think the only place you can get Kodachrome
developed in the U.S. is at Kodak in Rochester.

Frankly, I'm amazed that Kodak still makes the stuff. Can't be long now
until it's obsoleted. I give it until the end of this year.
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Re: Kodachrome 25

[Tom C]

From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>





It's also a much better system than E6.




Velviaah aah ahh
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world’s a sunny day, oh yeah

(For Jack Davis)

I used a Kodachrome 25 a couple of times.  I can't say much what I thought 
of it as I had only just started out in photography.


Tom C.

Re: Re: Kodachrome 25

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 03:48:18 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Re: Kodachrome 25
> 
> >From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >
> >
> >It's also a much better system than E6.
> >
> >
> 
> Velviaah aah ahh
> They give us those nice bright colors
> They give us the greens of summers
> Makes you think all the world’s a sunny day, oh yeah
> 
> (For Jack Davis)
> 

For me, it makes me think Hanna-Barbera got hold of my camera.


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Re: PESO: Pines

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On 1/24/06, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Here is another shot from the other morning.
*ist DS and 16-45mm
 http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/pines.jpg


I like the concept, but I'm not especially fond of the rendering. The  
foreground is a little too flat in blue-gray for my taste, and  
conflicts with the warm light behind it. I'd pull out some cyan and  
do some adjustment to render the detail just a little better.


Godfrey

Re: PESO: Snow and Sun makes Ice

[Gonz]

I love the way (the ice covered branch pic) appears to vignette, like 
its was taken long ago.  I guess it could have, its a timeless pic.


rg


Jens Bladt wrote:

We had a sunny day today.
This means the snow is turning into ice, since the temperature is still
below zero:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72057594052381468/

http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/newfile8.html

Regards
Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk




--
Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I 
was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's 
a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man?

- Mitch Hedberg

Re: Peso: runners

[Gonz]

Thats awesome.  Great light and composition.  Love the eerie smoky 
quality of the air.  Where is this?  When you said Arboretum, it 
reminded my of Boston's Arboretum, where I used to take walks.


rg


Bob Sullivan wrote:

We had a snowstorm Friday night and went over to the Arboretum at
sunrise on Saturday morning.  I took a number of shots with the Ds and
16-45 zoom.  Here is one of them...
 http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/runners.jpg
Regards,  Bob S.



--
Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I 
was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's 
a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man?

- Mitch Hedberg

Re: OT: Kodachrome 25

[Dario Bonazza]

How much do you ask for doing that? ;-)

Dario

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Jolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Kodachrome 25



Dario Bonazza wrote:

And then you can put on sale your  "Jollyplays" plug-ins.


Heh, you don't think that people might be more tempted to pay me to 
delete the plugins and then burn the hard disk to ashes? ;-)


S

Re: Re: Kodachrome 25

[japilado]

When I started serious photography back in the Sixties,  Kodachrome colors
were the standard for making other color films.  The other slide film was
Ektachrome, but it wasn't on par with Kodachrome.
I tried Kodachrome 64, but didn't like it compared to K25.

Jim A.
>>
>> From: Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 03:14:26 GMT
>> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>> Subject: Re: Re: Kodachrome 25
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, mike wilson wrote:
>>
>> >> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 12:40:21 GMT
>> >> To: 
>> >> Subject: Re: Kodachrome 25
>> >>
>> >> Kodachrome is still available.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Not 25, sadly.  Unless someone wants to make an offer for my remaining
>> roll.
>> >
>> > Also, there is only the Swiss facility in Europe for processing.  You
>> can't even send your film to your national centre for forwarding any
>> more.
>>
>> Isn't it E6? What is special about it?
>>
>> Interested for general knowledge,
>
> I forget the name of the process (it's something like K13 - you will find
> it in google) but it is a process that inserts dye into the film rather
> than causing dye precursors to become visible, as E6 does.  It is a much
> more complicated process than E6.
>
> http://historicphotoarchive.com/index.html
> http://www.subclub.org/shop/kodachro.htm
>
> 
> It's also a much better system than E6.
> 
>
> mike
>
>
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Re: OT - Sloganize your name

[Christian]

William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: OT - 
Sloganize your name










"Nothing Works Better Than a Christian."



Best lion food in the world.


hm, If you are refering to me by name then I should be insulted... 
If you are refering collectively to followers of a certain faith then, 
well, that's ok by me!  :-)




--

Christian
http://photography.skofteland.net

Re: Fwd: Re: Financal Condition of Pentax

[Mishka]

...which would make it probably the most advanced 645 digital body
on the market :)
best,
mishka

On 1/24/06, Lucas Rijnders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> won't abandon that strategy now and the 645D will simply be an *ist-D with
> a large sensor. It'll feature P-TTL, SAFOX VIII, the *ist's lightmeter,
> etc, but no innovations that require large investments...

Ref Con A Usage

[Kenneth Waller]

A while back a PDMLer was inquiring about right angle viewer usage.

I finally got around to fitting my Ref Con A to several Pentax bodies around 
my house.


The Ref Con A fits the following - SF!, PZ1, PZ1P, MZ-S &  *ist D.

HTH

Kenneth Waller 

Re: Kodachrome 25

[Adam Maas]

William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: OT: 
Kodachrome 25




I just spent some time looking through some portraits taken with
Kodachrome 25 from the late 70s or early 80s.  That's right,
portraits.  The color is amazing.  Anyone have a recommendation how I
might achieve this look today?



Kodachrome is still available.

William Robb



K64 is, last I checked K25 was not, and from everything I've heard and 
seen, the two are NOT identical apart from speed.


-Adam

Re: OT - Sloganize your name

[Tom C]

These comments and recent ones like them demonstrate to me, that the 
civilization and tolerance we profess is but a thin veneer.


Tom C.





From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT - Sloganize your name
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:52:24 -0500

William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: OT - Sloganize 
your name










"Nothing Works Better Than a Christian."



Best lion food in the world.


hm, If you are refering to me by name then I should be insulted... If 
you are refering collectively to followers of a certain faith then, well, 
that's ok by me!  :-)




--

Christian
http://photography.skofteland.net

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 4:43:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Tom is not weird. Wrong adjective. He is pitiful.

Perhaps he has been brainwashed.

William Robb
===
Exactly.

We now return PDML to our regularly scheduled programming.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Re: OT - Sloganize your name

[frank theriault]

On 1/24/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> These comments and recent ones like them demonstrate to me, that the
> civilization and tolerance we profess is but a thin veneer.

Who expressed those sentiments?  Was it someone on this list?  If so,
I missed it...

cheers,
frank



--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT - Sloganize your name

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:20:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 1/24/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> These comments and recent ones like them demonstrate to me, that the
> civilization and tolerance we profess is but a thin veneer.

Who expressed those sentiments?  Was it someone on this list?  If so,
I missed it...

cheers,
frank


==
PDML. Sense of humor required.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  My own self-created slogan.

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Kenneth Waller]

We now return PDML to our regularly scheduled programming


And what might that be? ;}

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject: Re: OT: Capa Doc


In a message dated 1/24/2006 4:43:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Tom is not weird. Wrong adjective. He is pitiful.


Perhaps he has been brainwashed.

William Robb
===
Exactly.

We now return PDML to our regularly scheduled programming.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Re: OT: NFQ

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I have no idea what "adding skins to make digital images look like  
film" means. Can you explain?


Simulating film textures and such in digital images is amuzing, but  
calling it "near film quality" indicates once again an evident  
prejudice.


Godfrey


On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Repeating history all over again ...
Adding skins to make digital images look like film.

What shall we call it?
Does that make it "Near Film Quality"?

Now where's my Nagaoka?

Re: Olympus VariMagni finder...

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


The Oly right angle finder I bought on impulse the other day arrived. It
is a *perfect* fit to the *ist DS viewfinder and works extremely well.
Yes, the image is left-right mirrored, but for what I use these things
for, that's not a problem. The optical quality is excellent too ... It's
extremely easy to focus my A50/2.8 Macro with the VariMagni fitted and
eyepiece focused. The 1.2x magnification gives a perfect full-frame view,
the 2.5x gives excellent magnification of the center section for critical
focusing.


Godfrey, I seem to have missed your original post... Mind if I humbly 
ask you to post a picture of your *istD with VariMagni attached?


Thanks.

Boris

Re: PESO: Pines

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/23/2006 8:53:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here is another shot from the other morning.
*ist DS and 16-45mm
 http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/pines.jpg
Regards,  Bob S.

Whoa, nice. I really like that. The tinge of color makes it.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:27:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>We now return PDML to our regularly scheduled programming

And what might that be? ;}

Kenneth Waller
==
Bad puns.

And talk of beer, wine, coffee, cars, football, stupid ebay auctions, and, 
very occasionally photography, cameras, and lenses, etc.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[DagT]

Den 24. jan. 2006 kl. 18.25 skrev Kenneth Waller:


We now return PDML to our regularly scheduled programming


And what might that be? ;}


It works if you don´t know.

DagT

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Shel Belinkoff]

Whatever Marnie says it is ;-))

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Kenneth Waller

> >We now return PDML to our regularly scheduled programming
>
> And what might that be? ;}
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: Re: OT: Capa Doc
>
>
> > In a message dated 1/24/2006 4:43:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> Tom is not weird. Wrong adjective. He is pitiful.
> > 
> > Perhaps he has been brainwashed.
> > 
> > William Robb
> > ===
> > Exactly.
> > 
> > We now return PDML to our regularly scheduled programming.
> > 
> > Marnie aka Doe ;-)
> >

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:43:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whatever Marnie says it is ;-))

Shel
===
Gee, Shel, can I save this post and use it when appropriate at a later date?

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: OT: NFQ

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Godfrey DiGiorgi
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:28:35 -0800

>I have no idea what "adding skins to make digital images look like film"
means. 
>Can you explain? 

Per the current thread, http://www.alienskin.com


>Simulating film textures and such in digital images is amuzing, but
calling it 
>"near film quality" indicates once again an evident prejudice. 
>
>Godfrey

Prejudice?  Maybe a little.  But I do use my DS frequently.
So it's not a medium prejudice in an exclusive sense.
But maybe a little bit elitist.  :)
Have you ever made a 4x5 or 8x10 contact?

Collin


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Re: OT, but photo related

[Powell Hargrave]

Get your new station on-line and we can all tune in.  Can't be too
difficult as our local college station is on-line.
http://www.chly.ca/index.php

Powell

>Sounds like fun. Have a blast. let us know when it's up and running.
>
>dk
>
>On 1/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Seems our town has plans of starting a Community Radio Station in its 
>future. I have
>> emailed the
>> Manager and asked if they were still looking for Volunteers for on air 
>personal, producers
>> etc.
>>
>> I mentioned my 3 years in radio(1971-73) and 4 years in TV 
>production,(1971-1974) and he
>> informed
>> me i was most welcome into the fold.
>>
>> Still need to get funds and approval from the CRTC(same as the FCC in the 
>states). I also
>> mentioned my
>> photo hobby and equine work and i'v been asked to do some photo work for 
>the web site and
>> shoot
>> the fund raiser Feb 4th.
>>
>> Possible weekly Blues show and or something in an equestrian theme. After 
>all, we are in
>> the Country
>> up here,..for now.:-)
>>
>> Just thought i'd share, Captain R is out of retierment.LOL.
>>
>> Dave

WTB: Exension tubes

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Anyone got some K-mount extension tubes for sale?  Cheap?
Uncoupled is fine.
I've got an experiment in mind.

Collin


mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .

Re: Kodachrome 25

[Ann Sanfedele]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> When I started serious photography back in the Sixties,  Kodachrome colors
> were the standard for making other color films.  The other slide film was
> Ektachrome, but it wasn't on par with Kodachrome.
> I tried Kodachrome 64, but didn't like it compared to K25.
> 
> Jim A.
> >>
>
God - it was the creme de la creme of chromes as far as I
was concerned...
though I shot a lot more of k-64, especially the PRO stuff.
which I'd shoot
a stop over. 

It was Animals/animals first choice for submissions in 35mm
format. 

annsan

Re: posted two pictures from my digital camera.

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 12:11:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I posted two more shots of the same subjects.  I am unsure which ones I like 
better.   I would appreciate more comments.



http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154

thank you
sandy
===
Are you using manual focus? Nothing in Barb 4 is quite in focus. The visual 
preference for most (not all) is that something in a macro shot be in focus. 
Personally, I've discovered I can only do macros with manual focus, otherwise 
AF 
focuses on an area I don't want.

Should I shut up? 

I stand corrected re your camera and lenses.

My Maple isn't bad. (Is that the new one?) But I'd prefer greater DOF for 
more of it.

Anyway, you're getting there, but, if it were me, I'd try a tripod and taking 
more time.

HTH, Marnie 

Re: Kodachrome 25

[Ann Sanfedele]

mike wilson wrote:
> 
> >
> > From: Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2006/01/24 Tue PM 03:14:26 GMT
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: Re: Kodachrome 25


> 
> I forget the name of the process (it's something like K13 - you will find it 
> in google) but it is a process that inserts dye into the film rather than 
> causing dye precursors to become visible, as E6 does.  It is a much more 
> complicated process than E6.
> 

hehe - K-14, Mike
was 13 editorial comment?

Fairlawn, NJ was THE place in the US to get Kodachrome (25
or any other speed
requiring K-14) developed.  

ann

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[Ann Sanfedele]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:27:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >We now return PDML to our regularly scheduled programming
> 
> And what might that be? ;}
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> ==
> Bad puns.
> 
> And talk of beer, wine, coffee, cars, football, stupid ebay auctions, and,
> very occasionally photography, cameras, and lenses, etc.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)

Yeah - that's why I stay here! Puns and fun!

annsan (was reading so little for a while in the last couple
of weeks
I might as well have unsubbed)

Re: PESO: Zurich Dusk

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:20:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Two years ago my wife and I were in Zurich; she was
doing research in the archives and I was wandering
about shooting.  The city is quiet and remarkably
beautiful in January.  This is a shot taken at dusk
from the hill on which the city's castle once stood.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4037413

PZ-1p, FA 24-90, Elite Chrome 100, tripod, cable
release and 2sec timer.  I don't remember the
exposure, but it was a few seconds.  Scanned,
sharpened, contrast and brightness adjusted with PE2.

Comments appreciated.

Rick

Nice shot. I like the reflection on the street. 

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 
Subject: Re: OT: Capa Doc





Damned Westerners.

-k


Watch it bucko, we're in charge now.

William Robb

Re: Kodachrome 25

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>





Are you suggesting that someone actually *use* film?
What's gotten into you?


Pre-senior moment.

William Robb

Re: NFQ

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject: OT: NFQ



Repeating history all over again ...
Adding skins to make digital images look like film.

What shall we call it?


Mere film.

William Robb

Re: Kodachrome 25

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts"

Subject: Re: Kodachrome 25




Very different from E6. I think the only place you can get Kodachrome
developed in the U.S. is at Kodak in Rochester.


Kodak privatized the process many years ago. Canadian Kodachrome now goes to 
a K-Lab in Kansas, I believe. I still have a dozen rolls of the stuff, I 
must get my butt in gear and shoot it.


William Robb 

Re: Kodachrome 25

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Maas"

Subject: Re: Kodachrome 25





K64 is, last I checked K25 was not, and from everything I've heard and 
seen, the two are NOT identical apart from speed.


I should have read that more carefully. I still have a couple of rolls of 
25. I was saving them for something special, if I leave it long enough, it 
might end up being in a museum.


William Robb 

Re: OT: Capa Doc

[frank theriault]

On 1/24/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Watch it bucko, we're in charge now.

You don't scare me.

-frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson