Expensive photo
Hi, new world record price for a photo, by Edward Steichen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4715106.stm -- Cheers, Bob
Re: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing
From: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/14 Tue PM 11:37:06 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing Here are a few shots: http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/WhaleWatch/ IMGP2888 ISO 800, 1/1500, f/6.7, 210 (70-210) IMGP2943 ISO 200, 1/750, f/11, 85 IMGP2945 ISO 200, 1/750, f/16, 210 (70-210) IMGP2966 ISO 200, 1/750, f/6.7 210 (70-210) (minimum manipulations in Photoshop: exposure correction, removal of a dust speckle from the sky by the clone stamp tool in photoshop, PEF-jpg, resizing). For the 2nd and the 3rd shots I made two different exposures - l is for brighter (lightened) images. BTW, I wonder which version/mood people prefer between the two version (w vs wl). I don't have a preference for either. PS. Rather interesting effect on IMGP2945: two horizontal lines, better noticeable on the island. Seems to be a weather or spray phenomenon. It's on 2943, also. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
FA 135/2.8 barrel coating?
Want someone to pat me on the head and say that it's not my fault.. A couple of years ago I purchased an FA 135/2.8 which had been sitting in the display for some time. Although I treat all my lenses with respect and don't subject any of my gear to any beating the coating on the barrel of this lens (seems like a thin black plastic film) is chipping off in more and more places. Is this typical of FA 135 or have I done something to it to cause the problem? The lens has not seen extreme heat or cold. Krisjanis
Re: Expensive photo
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/15 Wed AM 08:32:38 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Expensive photo Hi, new world record price for a photo, by Edward Steichen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4715106.stm -- Does the knock-on effect cause my masterpieces to double in value, too? m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: FA 135/2.8 barrel coating?
From: Krisjanis Linkevics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/15 Wed AM 08:35:51 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: FA 135/2.8 barrel coating? Want someone to pat me on the head and say that it's not my fault.. A couple of years ago I purchased an FA 135/2.8 which had been sitting in the display for some time. Although I treat all my lenses with respect and don't subject any of my gear to any beating the coating on the barrel of this lens (seems like a thin black plastic film) is chipping off in more and more places. Is this typical of FA 135 or have I done something to it to cause the problem? The lens has not seen extreme heat or cold. If it's been in a shop window, then it probably _has_ seen extreme heat. On a regular, cyclic basis. But I would expect that you would have problems with migrating lubricants before this sort of thing. Unless someone has already dealt with that... It's not your fault. Probably. 8-))) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: Expensive photo
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:00:00 -, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/15 Wed AM 08:32:38 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Expensive photo Hi, new world record price for a photo, by Edward Steichen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4715106.stm -- Does the knock-on effect cause my masterpieces to double in value, too? Of course it does. But twice zero is still zero, unfortunately. Just joking. Mine have negative value. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: Re: Expensive photo
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/15 Wed AM 08:58:29 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Expensive photo On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:00:00 -, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/15 Wed AM 08:32:38 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Expensive photo Hi, new world record price for a photo, by Edward Steichen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4715106.stm -- Does the knock-on effect cause my masterpieces to double in value, too? Of course it does. But twice zero is still zero, unfortunately. Just joking. Mine have negative value. John I was wondering what the insurance premium would be on three ha'pence. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
OT getting stuff made
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Flash problems
Last week, or maybe the week before, I posted about the flash I'm using with the *ist D on the microscope. The voltage on the trigger when the unit is fully charged is 6.5V and the centre wire is positive. Is this the right way round? The flash still only fires once -- unless disconnected between each picture. But there's another problem. With ISO 200 film, on the Wild MPS camera, the exposures are good. But all the digital pictures are dreadfully underexposed at 200. Is there an explanation for this -- I can't think of an obvious one. The optical setup is the same as before. Don -- Dr E D F Williams __ http://www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/index.htm http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams See feature: The Cement Company from Hell Updated: Added Print Gallery - 16 11 2005
Re: OT getting stuff made
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:09:00 -, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who like fiddling, repairing and making stuff, this place might be useful http://www.emachineshop.com/ That's tremendous. Now we just need a similar facility to design and fabricate new electronic components and circuit boards (shouldn't be difficult), and a lens grinding and coating machine, and no camera need ever be considered unrepairable. But God alone knows what Cotty will get up to. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
RE: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing
Very nice photographs, Igor. Do ahve an explanation for the virticval line thing? Great lens, isn't is? Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Igor Roshchin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. februar 2006 00:37 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing Just last week, I received an SMC F 70-210/4-5.6 that I purchased on eBay. First, I shot a few test shots at home using my *ist DS and this lens, comparing it to my Tamron AF 70-300/4-5.6. I was surprised that at the same settings (70 and 210 /4, /8) the resolution was very comparable. On the weekend we went on a whale watching tour, so I thought it would be a good test for this lens to see how it behaves with different lighting conditions. (I thought SMC can show its advantage in the case of a complicated light.) Here are a few shots: http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/WhaleWatch/ IMGP2888 ISO 800, 1/1500, f/6.7, 210 (70-210) IMGP2943 ISO 200, 1/750, f/11, 85 IMGP2945 ISO 200, 1/750, f/16, 210 (70-210) IMGP2966 ISO 200, 1/750, f/6.7 210 (70-210) (minimum manipulations in Photoshop: exposure correction, removal of a dust speckle from the sky by the clone stamp tool in photoshop, PEF-jpg, resizing). For the 2nd and the 3rd shots I made two different exposures - l is for brighter (lightened) images. BTW, I wonder which version/mood people prefer between the two version (w vs wl). Interesting that the Tamron seems to show less purple on IMGP2943, compared to SMCP on IMGP2945. Ghm... it looks like the SMCP F 70-210 is not better compared to my Tamron lens. The only difference I've noticed (but didn't measure) is that the AF with the Pentax lens is a bit faster. Igor PS. Rather interesting effect on IMGP2945: two horizontal lines, better noticeable on the island.
RE: scratches on lenses
Scratches will probably reduce the overall contrast of the images. So, The scratch will affect image quality, even if it is not visible or recognizable. The only way to actually see it, is of course to compare to photographs made by the same lens model, but without the scratches. This is rarely possible. I do believe, however, that it is very difficult to measure or see any differences as long as we are talking about a few minor scratches. Scratches at the rear element will probably have a greater impact on image quality than scratches on the front element. The greatest impact that scratches have is that of the sales value ;-) Any seller will realize or experience this ;-) I recently bought a used lens with a 1x1 mm nick in the front element. This lens was tested (by Jostein) against a similar lens of a competing brand which was unscratched. No difference in image quality appeared to be visible at all. But the effect on the sales value was quite significant. Lucky for me - as long as I'm not selling it. At auctions, however, the bidders will determine the sales price ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Igor Roshchin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 14. februar 2006 00:27 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: scratches on lenses Every so often I see a claim in a lens description: These scratches don't affect the quality of your photo. What does one think when writing this type of statement? That you don't see the scratch on the photos? Even if a half of the lens area is covered by scratches you might not see the scratches on the photo.. Well, this is a somewhat rhetorical question: How do you know that the scratches don't affect the quality of your photo?! Personally, I would say that all scratches that are within the entire beam diameter used in imaging DO affect the quality of photos. So, the meaningful interpretation of the original statement would be: I didn't have the way of knowing any better image quality. Would you agree? Igor
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
Secular Humanism? On Feb 15, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: Neoconservatism? On 2/14/06, Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and which is that? best, mishka On 2/14/06, E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Demonstrably untrue. I'm not saying it wasn't true several centuries ago, but there's currently one religion making a greater attempt to impose its beliefs on the rest of the world -- by force and fear of violence -- and that religion isn't (nor does it claim to be) any branch of Christianity. -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
Re: OT getting stuff made
Cool, but after a quick play I was screaming for some of the tools and features of more advanced CAD software. Dave On 2/15/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who like fiddling, repairing and making stuff, this place might be useful http://www.emachineshop.com/ - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: PESO - Sunnin'
Nice. I agree the foreground grass makes it a much more interesting shot. Paul On Feb 15, 2006, at 1:33 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Very nice photograph, Bruce. I actually like the unsharp gras in the forground - it adds depth and a secret atmosphere. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. februar 2006 01:53 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: PESO - Sunnin' Shot in last Autumn during one of my walks. Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X AF 400/5.6, Handheld ISO 400, 1/1000 sec @ f/9.5 Converted from Raw using Capture One LE http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1727.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce
Re: Re: OT getting stuff made
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/15 Wed AM 09:41:17 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT getting stuff made On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:09:00 -, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who like fiddling, repairing and making stuff, this place might be useful http://www.emachineshop.com/ That's tremendous. Now we just need a similar facility to design and fabricate new electronic components and circuit boards (shouldn't be difficult), and a lens grinding and coating machine, and no camera need ever be considered unrepairable. Electronics: http://www.pad2pad.com/index.html But God alone knows what Cotty will get up to. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: Re: OT getting stuff made
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/15 Wed AM 11:06:56 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT getting stuff made Cool, but after a quick play I was screaming for some of the tools and features of more advanced CAD software. It says on the home page that there's facility for importing designs from other programmes. Dave On 2/15/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who like fiddling, repairing and making stuff, this place might be useful http://www.emachineshop.com/ - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
RE: Enablement: SMC- A-3.5/35-105mm
Thanks. In my experience only photographers/-enthusisast will look at an image this way. People will look at the subjects in the picture. If they are smiling or just looking good, people will say: What a nice photograph! The quality of the lens is in fact contributing very little to the final image quality. A lot of other things matters. Still, I love sharp images ;-) That's important too! http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/100024485/ Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 14. februar 2006 23:03 Til: Jens Bladt Emne: Re: Enablement: SMC- A-3.5/35-105mm I got the A3.5 35-105mm zoom today. It's really very nice - very few marks in the paint. The glass is perfect - like new (A skylight filer has been on it from day one). So, it's LN- or Excellent+. I believe I'll be very happy with it. Congratulations, Jens. You'll enjoy the lens, I think. It gives results that, while not quite up to the quality of a good prime lens, will not cause people to say hrrmph - taken with just a zoom - g. Fred
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
On Feb 14, 2006, at 7:16 PM, John Forbes wrote: And perhaps it's because those doing most of the bashing are from a Christian background themselves. It's within the family. I feel entirely at ease giving Christians hell, but would pause before meting out the same to those from other religions. And anyway, I'm only getting my own back for the long hours of religious nonsense forced upon me as a child. You can give Christians hell because they believe in it. Most other religions are enlightened enough to recognize hell as a particularly sick idea. Christianity needs psychotherapy. Bob Hell is a place specially reserved for those who believe in it -- Wise Man
Real religious truths; was HCB with a Minolta CLE
I don't remember Greg being in the band. Bob On Feb 14, 2006, at 9:31 PM, Butch Black wrote: On Feb 14, 2006, at 4:58 PM, William Robb wrote: I thought they had broken away because some Henry or another wanted a divorce, and the RC Church wouldn't allow it. Yup. Henery the VIIIth, I am... Did Peter Noonan cause the split? Bob No, but before that incident the Hermits were a Gregorian chant band Butch
Re: Digital Gem
You should have included the URL: http://www.asf.com They have free trial downloads of a bunch of nifty products. Bob On Feb 14, 2006, at 11:28 PM, William Robb wrote: On the advice of one of my customers, I downloaded and tried Kodak's Digital Gem plugin for Photoshop. It looks like a pretty good noise reducer that is easy enough to use. Results with skin tones can be cotrolled right from just a little smoothing to full polyethylene, depending on your taste. The demo version leaves a watermark on the image, but it gives a good enough demonstration. The download is less than 3mb.
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
On Feb 15, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Gonz wrote: I actually believe that isolationism in the form of boycotts has the opposite effect intended. I.e. buying Chinese goods actually helps them move toward more freedom because of the injection of capitalistic ideas into their cultural fabric. This helps break down some of the extreme forms of repression we have seen in the past. The chinese government of today, while still totalitarian, is a long way from the days of old under the control of Mao and his cronies. They were quite isolated back then, much like North Korea is today. So let's all go out and buy North Korean goods? Bob
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
fra: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 15, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Gonz wrote: I actually believe that isolationism in the form of boycotts has the opposite effect intended. I.e. buying Chinese goods actually helps them move toward more freedom because of the injection of capitalistic ideas into their cultural fabric. This helps break down some of the extreme forms of repression we have seen in the past. The chinese government of today, while still totalitarian, is a long way from the days of old under the control of Mao and his cronies. They were quite isolated back then, much like North Korea is today. So let's all go out and buy North Korean goods? In some ways Yes, but it\s a complex situation. If at least a little bit of the money comes in the hands that need them maybe we should. There's always the possibility that a boycot hurts the poor but not the rich. Remember that some countries, like North Korea, want isolation. They do not want influences from rich, democratic countries. That's one reason why many of them have restrictions on visitors. In 1987 I visited the Sovjet Union, especially Caucasus, Georgia and Tblisi, and we had some discussion regarding what impression we, the rich people from the west, made on the locals when we handed out cigarettes, pens, chewing gum and other small gifts. I felt uncomfortable with the situation, but to the local children we were like Santa Claus. They showed us the way back to the hotel and they got lots of small gifts. I dont think it fitted very well into the local propaganda were people from the west were evil... DagT
Re: scratches on lenses
Scratches are difficult to assess. I have an M40/2.8 that came with strange damage. On close inspection, part of the lens coating has been eaten by fungus. The edges of the lens are microscopically crazed. Wide open you can see this. After f4 or f5.6, the damage is hidden. In comparison to other copies of the M40/2.8, it was difficult to find the damage to the final pictures. I finally succeeded in the Kansas City airport with a dark waiting room shot including a bright window in the background. Here it showed some extra flare. Overall, minor damage is very difficult to see in the final results. Regards, Bob S. On 2/15/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scratches will probably reduce the overall contrast of the images. So, The scratch will affect image quality, even if it is not visible or recognizable. The only way to actually see it, is of course to compare to photographs made by the same lens model, but without the scratches. This is rarely possible. I do believe, however, that it is very difficult to measure or see any differences as long as we are talking about a few minor scratches. Scratches at the rear element will probably have a greater impact on image quality than scratches on the front element. The greatest impact that scratches have is that of the sales value ;-) Any seller will realize or experience this ;-) I recently bought a used lens with a 1x1 mm nick in the front element. This lens was tested (by Jostein) against a similar lens of a competing brand which was unscratched. No difference in image quality appeared to be visible at all. But the effect on the sales value was quite significant. Lucky for me - as long as I'm not selling it. At auctions, however, the bidders will determine the sales price ;-) Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Igor Roshchin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 14. februar 2006 00:27 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: scratches on lenses Every so often I see a claim in a lens description: These scratches don't affect the quality of your photo. What does one think when writing this type of statement? That you don't see the scratch on the photos? Even if a half of the lens area is covered by scratches you might not see the scratches on the photo.. Well, this is a somewhat rhetorical question: How do you know that the scratches don't affect the quality of your photo?! Personally, I would say that all scratches that are within the entire beam diameter used in imaging DO affect the quality of photos. So, the meaningful interpretation of the original statement would be: I didn't have the way of knowing any better image quality. Would you agree? Igor
Re: scratches on lenses
Hi! The only way to actually see it, is of course to compare to photographs made by the same lens model, but without the scratches. This is rarely possible. I do believe, however, that it is very difficult to measure or see any differences as long as we are talking about a few minor scratches. Scratches at the rear element will probably have a greater impact on image quality than scratches on the front element. I think, just theoretically, that if one had a controlled test environment and compared lens performance with *scratched* highest quality filter versus performance of the lens alone, one might arrive to some theoretically useful conclusions... My general understanding, practical too, is that small scratches on front element of the lens are much less significant to the quality of resulting picture than scratches on the rear element. I am yet to see a lens which exhibits visible image deterioration due to scratches. However, from pure logical point of view, Igor's original remark is correct. Not to mention that not many people have and use controlled test environment for their lenses. -- Boris
Re: OT: ... with a Minolta CLE
- Original Message - From: Bob Shell Subject: Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE So let's all go out and buy North Korean goods? Babt steps, Bob. Start with Cuban cigars. William Robb
Re: Digital Gem
- Original Message - From: Bob Shell Subject: Re: Digital Gem You should have included the URL: http://www.asf.com Thanks Bob. I had to search it on the Kodak website, so I didn't have the URL handy. William Robb They have free trial downloads of a bunch of nifty products. Bob On Feb 14, 2006, at 11:28 PM, William Robb wrote: On the advice of one of my customers, I downloaded and tried Kodak's Digital Gem plugin for Photoshop. It looks like a pretty good noise reducer that is easy enough to use. Results with skin tones can be cotrolled right from just a little smoothing to full polyethylene, depending on your taste. The demo version leaves a watermark on the image, but it gives a good enough demonstration. The download is less than 3mb.
Re: Flash problems
- Original Message - From: Don Williams Subject: Flash problems Last week, or maybe the week before, I posted about the flash I'm using with the *ist D on the microscope. The voltage on the trigger when the unit is fully charged is 6.5V and the centre wire is positive. Is this the right way round? The flash still only fires once -- unless disconnected between each picture. But there's another problem. With ISO 200 film, on the Wild MPS camera, the exposures are good. But all the digital pictures are dreadfully underexposed at 200. Is there an explanation for this -- I can't think of an obvious one. The optical setup is the same as before. I don't know if the wiring is the right way arund or not. If you can reverse the polarity though, it's certainly something to try. As for the underexposure, I don't have a clue, other than to check the usual suspects, such as shutter speed out of range. William Robb
RE: PESO - Sunnin'
What Jens said! In warm weather, I'm a bit jealous of turtles and their ability to sun themselves all day. Right now in mid-winter, though, they're buried in the cold goop at the bottom of the pond, and that's not appealing at all! Rick --- Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice photograph, Bruce. I actually like the unsharp gras in the forground - it adds depth and a secret atmosphere. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. februar 2006 01:53 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: PESO - Sunnin' Shot in last Autumn during one of my walks. Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X AF 400/5.6, Handheld ISO 400, 1/1000 sec @ f/9.5 Converted from Raw using Capture One LE http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1727.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8
New, bright APS-C dedicated lens: http://www.tamron.co.jp/en/news/release_2006/news0215_a16.html Unfortunately no Pentax mount for now but there's Minolta version planned. Rumours are that Sony has some Tamron shares and maybe they don't want this popular standard lens in K-mount because they will have to compete with Samsung now? -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Expensive photo
Needs sharpening and straightening. LOL Jack --- Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, new world record price for a photo, by Edward Steichen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4715106.stm -- Cheers, Bob __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Katzeye optics - Review???
On Feb 14, 2006, at 16:52, Fred wrote: Spent several hours reading the reports once I got on the forum from the DPReview. The KatzEye looks like a winner, so now am just waiting for the money to fall into my hands :-) Well, the latest report thread really criticizes the Katz Eye screens. The current consensus (at least for those speaking the loudest lately) is that the focus aids are great for focusing, but that the effect on exposure is deleterious (very inconsistent exposures, generally overexposing by unpredictable amounts). However, I have one, and I'm not about to give it up yet [snip!] ..and I have noticed no effect at all on exposures. I believe that the changes are there for people, but I guess I'm just a putz who can't see it. It's just wonderful to be able to pop the exact focus in. So nice that I've had the autofocus turned off for the last week and a half - even with the kit lens in place! I live in fear that one day I'll discover a big exposure problem somewhere, but so far I haven't noticed anything. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
and how exactly do saudis impose their believes on the rest of the world? i don't remeber them invading any other country to impose sharia. best, mishka On 2/14/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Salafist wing of Sunni Islam, of which the Wahabbi's are the most noticable. -Adam
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
i suspected so... best, mishka On 2/15/06, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neoconservatism? On 2/14/06, Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and which is that?
Delkin pop-up shade for *ist D
An enabled John Celio wrote: -- Delkin pop-up LCD shade http://www.delkin.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=270cat=63page=1 I had to do a little surgery to get this to fit properly on my *ist D, but it was worth the effort (had to cut the eyepiece off and epoxy it back on a little to the right). The shade makes a huge difference in bright sunlight, and I like having it there to protect my screen anyway. John - What does the end result look like? I'm looking for something to protect the still unscratched D LCD and, since Delkin doesn't have one specific to the D, I've been looking at their 1.8 generic. Hadn't thought of hanging the DS on - there's that difference in screen size. Larry in Dallas
Re: Katzeye optics - Review???
Logic would suggest that if exposure were affected by a change of screen, it would be off by a consistent amount in a specific direction. If exposure is all over the place, I would think that it can't possibly be the fault of the focusing screen. Paul -- Original message -- From: Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 14, 2006, at 16:52, Fred wrote: Spent several hours reading the reports once I got on the forum from the DPReview. The KatzEye looks like a winner, so now am just waiting for the money to fall into my hands :-) Well, the latest report thread really criticizes the Katz Eye screens. The current consensus (at least for those speaking the loudest lately) is that the focus aids are great for focusing, but that the effect on exposure is deleterious (very inconsistent exposures, generally overexposing by unpredictable amounts). However, I have one, and I'm not about to give it up yet [snip!] ..and I have noticed no effect at all on exposures. I believe that the changes are there for people, but I guess I'm just a putz who can't see it. It's just wonderful to be able to pop the exact focus in. So nice that I've had the autofocus turned off for the last week and a half - even with the kit lens in place! I live in fear that one day I'll discover a big exposure problem somewhere, but so far I haven't noticed anything. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
Not the Saudi's as a nation (Although they do fund extremist Madrassas, whose students have become terrorists in a number of nations, including many of the foreign-born terrorists now operating in Iraq and they were the backbone of the Taliban), but you might note that one of the major Wahabbi extremist leaders is a guy named Osama Bin Laden. They were also a major funder of the Taliban (Who were Wahabbist, and portions thereof did invade Afghanistan to impose Sharia, much of the Taliban was/is actually Pakistani). Saudi's are also major funders of extremist Islamic groups worldwide, and Saudi funded groups actively promote both violence and imposition of Sharia wherever they are found (And they are heavily active in the UK, and to a lesser extent in the US). Note that I blamed the Wahabbists, not the Saudi's. The Saudi's are mainly Wahabbist Sunni (but not entirely, there is a notable, and heavily oppressed, Shia minority in Saudi Arabia) and are probably the #1 funder of Sunni Islamic Terrorist groups. They aren't the only major Islamic 'denominatio' seeking to impose Sharia on the world, but they are certainly the most active (the Shia groups seem more interested in imposing Sharia on their own countries). -Adam Mishka wrote: and how exactly do saudis impose their believes on the rest of the world? i don't remeber them invading any other country to impose sharia. best, mishka On 2/14/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Salafist wing of Sunni Islam, of which the Wahabbi's are the most noticable. -Adam
Re: Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: New, bright APS-C dedicated lens: http://www.tamron.co.jp/en/news/release_2006/news0215_a16.html Unfortunately no Pentax mount for now but there's Minolta version planned. Rumours are that Sony has some Tamron shares and maybe they don't want this popular standard lens in K-mount because they will have to compete with Samsung now? I believe I have read this here before: selling lenses or sensors is a different business line and they just sell to make money. It is not the first manufacturer not to issue a lens in Pentax mount. Kostas
Re: Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote on 15.02.06 16:24: I believe I have read this here before: selling lenses or sensors is a different business line and they just sell to make money. It is not the first manufacturer not to issue a lens in Pentax mount. True. But still strange as they released FF counterpart to this new lens with K-mount in the past. I mean 28-75/2,8 XR. Maybe they sold too few of it in Pentax mount? -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Re: Expensive photo
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/15 Wed PM 02:26:48 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Expensive photo Needs sharpening and straightening. LOL Jack No, no, it's hand made. Even bigger LOL --- Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, new world record price for a photo, by Edward Steichen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4715106.stm -- Cheers, Bob __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote on 15.02.06 16:24: I believe I have read this here before: selling lenses or sensors is a different business line and they just sell to make money. It is not the first manufacturer not to issue a lens in Pentax mount. True. But still strange as they released FF counterpart to this new lens with K-mount in the past. I mean 28-75/2,8 XR. Maybe they sold too few of it in Pentax mount? Tamron's got a couple of their best lenses which aren't available in K mount, notably the 180mm Macro. It's possible that they simply don't think there is a market for this one, or they just haven't introduced it yet. -Adam
RE: Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8
maybe they don't want this popular standard lens in K-mount because they will have to compete with Samsung now? What? I don't believe that. Any manufacturer is in it for the money! I just don't belive it's profitable to make them with Pentax mount. The Tamron AF 200-500mm is not available in K-mount either. But the old MF was (very rare). I guess there's just not enough K-mount buyers. So they just make them for Canon and Nikon - which probably covers 90% of the market. Or perhaps Pentax just paid Tamron not to ;-) Pentax and Tamron has been coopereating before, since Tamron manufactured certain Pentax lenses. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. februar 2006 16:24 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8 On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: New, bright APS-C dedicated lens: http://www.tamron.co.jp/en/news/release_2006/news0215_a16.html Unfortunately no Pentax mount for now but there's Minolta version planned. Rumours are that Sony has some Tamron shares and maybe they don't want this popular standard lens in K-mount because they will have to compete with Samsung now? I believe I have read this here before: selling lenses or sensors is a different business line and they just sell to make money. It is not the first manufacturer not to issue a lens in Pentax mount. Kostas
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
On 2/14/06, Gautam Sarup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/14/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It ruled the part of the world that mattered... It was a different part that mattered then... Gautam, My comment was intended to be semi-humourous, and I should have put a smiley on it. It was also intended to be a somewhat mocking tautology: once Rome ruled an area, it mattered, and conversely, if Rome didn't rule it, it didn't matter. I now realize that my post might have been read by some as offensive and demeaning to those in some parts of the world, but it was certainly not my intention to insult anyone; I hope you didn't take it that way. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
Hi I don't know what this has to do with Minolta, but ... You're both right!!, Henry was upset that the Pope wouldn't annul his marriage to ? , so decided to be his own pope as it were. But I think it was Elizabeth 1, who actually concretized the schism mostly for political reasons. Other interesting facts: Henry was en route towards the prieshood (bishop or better for him , of, course) , but for some reason, he ascended the throne instead. He also was quite the theologian and contributed quite a few thoughts on the theology of Mary in the RC church, some of which may also be still pertinate. So this is my contribution to this bizarre direction that this link is taking :-) herb While the Anglican's claim to be Protestant, they broke away over the Supremacy of the Pope, not over Doctrine (Anglican Doctrine is essentially Catholic, as is Orthodox Doctrine) so they are closer to Orthodox than the other Protestant demoninations which all have notable doctrinal differences with Catholic/Orthodox Doctrine. I thought they had broken away because some Henry or another wanted a divorce, and the RC Church wouldn't allow it.
Re: Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8
Consider also that the Pentax DA 16-45/4 is a recent introduction that has probably soaked up a lot of the immediate demand for a lens in that range. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote on 15.02.06 16:24: I believe I have read this here before: selling lenses or sensors is a different business line and they just sell to make money. It is not the first manufacturer not to issue a lens in Pentax mount. True. But still strange as they released FF counterpart to this new lens with K-mount in the past. I mean 28-75/2,8 XR. Maybe they sold too few of it in Pentax mount? Tamron's got a couple of their best lenses which aren't available in K mount, notably the 180mm Macro. It's possible that they simply don't think there is a market for this one, or they just haven't introduced it yet. -Adam
Re: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:30:41 -0800 mike wilson wrote: PS. Rather interesting effect on IMGP2945: two horizontal lines, better noticeable on the island. Seems to be a weather or spray phenomenon. It's on 2943, also. What do you mean by spray phenomenon? There are several different things people call spray phenomenon, but I was not able relate those to the observed. Do you mean the same as what I describe below? Indeed, it is on 2943 as well, and as I just noticed - there are also two lines (not one as I had thought). Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:38:46 -0800 Jens Bladt wrote: Very nice photographs, Igor. Do ahve an explanation for the virticval line thing? Great lens, isn't is? Regards Jens Thank you! Did you mean horizontal line? (I don't see any vertical lines of a particular interest) No, I don't have explanation. I am thinking if it could be due to the light reflected from the water that then gets scattered by the lower air layers (which should also contain more water mist that can produce this light scattering). Nevertheless, I am puzzled why there are clearly seen _two_ lines. If these photos were taken with a film camera I would've started looking if something left a trace on the film when it was advanced. As for the lens, - I am not completely sure. It is good, but I was expecting something better. As I said, I didn't notice much difference from the Tamron lens (image 2943 was taken with Tamron). Igor
Re: Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8
Jens Bladt wrote on 15.02.06 16:57: I don't believe that. Any manufacturer is in it for the money! I just don't belive it's profitable to make them with Pentax mount. The Tamron AF 200-500mm is not available in K-mount either. But the old MF was (very rare). I guess there's just not enough K-mount buyers. So they just make them for Canon and Nikon - which probably covers 90% of the market. Or perhaps Pentax just paid Tamron not to ;-) Pentax and Tamron has been coopereating before, since Tamron manufactured certain Pentax lenses. I can understand lack of 200-500 and 180 in K-mount as they are expensive lenses and Sigma makes the ones with very similar parameters, but 17-50/2,8 would be very popular among Pentax DSLR users. If Tamron did it in Minolta mount and KM DSLRs has sold in lesser quantities than Pentax ones then... But of course Pentax makes some remarkable DA lenses (DA 16-45, DA 14, DA 12-24) while KM only sold Tamron's clones of htier WA angles for DSLRs and KM never had high quality standard zoom like DA 16-45/4 for their DSLRs. -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Expensive photo
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:59:16 -0800 John Forbes wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:00:00 -, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the knock-on effect cause my masterpieces to double in value, too? Of course it does. But twice zero is still zero, unfortunately. Just joking. Mine have negative value. In that case, - watch out if it doubles! ;-) It is not the case when double negative gives you a positive. :-) Igor PS. You should used slides - then you would get a positive... [g]
Re: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing
And once again, nobody included the URL to the pics ... ~Please Don't Delete The URL's ~ ... Thank you in advance for subsequent consideration. Shel [Original Message] From: Igor Roshchin Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:30:41 -0800 mike wilson wrote: PS. Rather interesting effect on IMGP2945: two horizontal lines, better noticeable on the island. Seems to be a weather or spray phenomenon. It's on 2943, also. What do you mean by spray phenomenon? There are several different things people call spray phenomenon, but I was not able relate those to the observed. Do you mean the same as what I describe below? Indeed, it is on 2943 as well, and as I just noticed - there are also two lines (not one as I had thought). Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:38:46 -0800 Jens Bladt wrote: Very nice photographs, Igor. Do ahve an explanation for the virticval line thing? Great lens, isn't is? Regards Jens Thank you! Did you mean horizontal line? (I don't see any vertical lines of a particular interest) No, I don't have explanation. I am thinking if it could be due to the light reflected from the water that then gets scattered by the lower air layers (which should also contain more water mist that can produce this light scattering). Nevertheless, I am puzzled why there are clearly seen _two_ lines. If these photos were taken with a film camera I would've started looking if something left a trace on the film when it was advanced. As for the lens, - I am not completely sure. It is good, but I was expecting something better. As I said, I didn't notice much difference from the Tamron lens (image 2943 was taken with Tamron). Igor
Re: Re: Expensive photo
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:54:42 -0800 mike wilson wrote: From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/15 Wed PM 02:26:48 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Expensive photo Needs sharpening and straightening. LOL Jack No, no, it's hand made. Even bigger LOL When I see a hand dipped milk shake on a menu, I wonder who dipped his hand in my milk shake. Igor
Re: Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8
Pentax and Tamron has been coopereating before, since Tamron manufactured certain Pentax lenses. And Nikon/KM ones too BTW (AFAIR) -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
Now *that's* an army I would sign on for :) Sadly no, by definition, that's not it. And you know your analogy was worse than mine. j On 2/15/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secular Humanism? On Feb 15, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: Neoconservatism? On 2/14/06, Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and which is that? best, mishka On 2/14/06, E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Demonstrably untrue. I'm not saying it wasn't true several centuries ago, but there's currently one religion making a greater attempt to impose its beliefs on the rest of the world -- by force and fear of violence -- and that religion isn't (nor does it claim to be) any branch of Christianity. -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
Re: PESO - Sunnin'
A well exposed focused image but the orientation of the subjects is a minus. I hope you stayed worked this. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - Sunnin' Shot in last Autumn during one of my walks. Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X AF 400/5.6, Handheld ISO 400, 1/1000 sec @ f/9.5 Converted from Raw using Capture One LE http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1727.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce
Re: Expensive photo
Simply amazing. I guess someone had to buy it. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:32 AM Subject: Expensive photo Hi, new world record price for a photo, by Edward Steichen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4715106.stm -- Cheers, Bob
Re: Katzeye optics - Review???
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logic would suggest that if exposure were affected by a change of screen, it would be off by a consistent amount in a specific direction. If exposure is all over the place, I would think that it can't possibly be the fault of the focusing screen. Paul -- Original message -- From: Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it were a plain screen, that's probably true. The trouble is, the split-prism type screens work differently with different lenses and aperture settings. The black-out phenomenon depends on the angle from which the incident light comes. That's a function of the lens construction and aperture setting. It's that black-out phenomenon that causes erratic exposure problems. The baseline calibration is affected by the regular portion of the screen and doesn't change. That's the +1/3EV or +2/3EV or so often talked about. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss* * Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * *
Re: Katzeye optics - Review???
As somebody else already suggested, perhaps this is a combination of the screen affecting the reading in the central portion of the viewfinder (which is why users are warned not to use spot metering) and using the multi-segment metering mode. A slightly lower reading in the middle of the screen could trigger one of the backlight compensation programs, which would result in overexposed images (backlighting compensation weights the exposure more towards the reading from the central sensor, so it's rather more like using spot metering). On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 02:53:28PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logic would suggest that if exposure were affected by a change of screen, it would be off by a consistent amount in a specific direction. If exposure is all over the place, I would think that it can't possibly be the fault of the focusing screen. Paul -- Original message -- From: Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 14, 2006, at 16:52, Fred wrote: Spent several hours reading the reports once I got on the forum from the DPReview. The KatzEye looks like a winner, so now am just waiting for the money to fall into my hands :-) Well, the latest report thread really criticizes the Katz Eye screens. The current consensus (at least for those speaking the loudest lately) is that the focus aids are great for focusing, but that the effect on exposure is deleterious (very inconsistent exposures, generally overexposing by unpredictable amounts). However, I have one, and I'm not about to give it up yet [snip!] ..and I have noticed no effect at all on exposures. I believe that the changes are there for people, but I guess I'm just a putz who can't see it. It's just wonderful to be able to pop the exact focus in. So nice that I've had the autofocus turned off for the last week and a half - even with the kit lens in place! I live in fear that one day I'll discover a big exposure problem somewhere, but so far I haven't noticed anything. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org
RE: Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8
Yes, Sigma makes a EX 170-500mm F5.6-6.3 APO for Pentax and others. It's even reasonably priced at apr. 600 Euro (Germany) = 725 USD. It's probably a very good lens: http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Africa/South_Africa/photo12819.htm http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Africa/South_Africa/photo17020.htm http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Africa/South_Africa/photo5957.htm http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Asia/India/photo10701.htm http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Africa/South_Africa/photo19822.htm Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. februar 2006 17:18 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Tamron introduces DI 17-50/2,8 Jens Bladt wrote on 15.02.06 16:57: I don't believe that. Any manufacturer is in it for the money! I just don't belive it's profitable to make them with Pentax mount. The Tamron AF 200-500mm is not available in K-mount either. But the old MF was (very rare). I guess there's just not enough K-mount buyers. So they just make them for Canon and Nikon - which probably covers 90% of the market. Or perhaps Pentax just paid Tamron not to ;-) Pentax and Tamron has been coopereating before, since Tamron manufactured certain Pentax lenses. I can understand lack of 200-500 and 180 in K-mount as they are expensive lenses and Sigma makes the ones with very similar parameters, but 17-50/2,8 would be very popular among Pentax DSLR users. If Tamron did it in Minolta mount and KM DSLRs has sold in lesser quantities than Pentax ones then... But of course Pentax makes some remarkable DA lenses (DA 16-45, DA 14, DA 12-24) while KM only sold Tamron's clones of htier WA angles for DSLRs and KM never had high quality standard zoom like DA 16-45/4 for their DSLRs. -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
my comments inline, best, mishka On 2/15/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wahabbi extremist leaders is a guy named Osama Bin Laden. and just how did he impose his religion on the other countries? and on which? a major funder of the Taliban (Who were Wahabbist, and portions thereof did invade Afghanistan to impose Sharia afghanistan has been an islamic country, well before taleban appeared on the radar. they lived under sharia all along (except for a short period of soviet occupation). Saudi's are also major funders of extremist Islamic groups worldwide, and Saudi funded groups actively promote both violence and imposition of Sharia wherever they are found (And they are heavily active in the UK, and to a lesser extent in the US). don't know about UK, but i am blanking trying to remember who was imposing sharia on who, here in the US. the mormons and jehova's witnesses, otoh, have been quite annoying in the supermarkets...
Re: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing
Igor Roshchin wrote: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:30:41 -0800 mike wilson wrote: PS. Rather interesting effect on IMGP2945: two horizontal lines, better noticeable on the island. Seems to be a weather or spray phenomenon. It's on 2943, also. What do you mean by spray phenomenon? There are several different things people call spray phenomenon, but I was not able relate those to the observed. Do you mean the same as what I describe below? Yes. A possible mechanism would be that there are two or more layers of air, separated because they are at different temperatures. Spray drops of a certain size get trapped in one layer but not in another. As the islands seem to be quite rocky, it seems reasonable to assume that there would be plenty of spray around to generate this phenomenon when the conditions are right. I've seen similar on the coast here but only one layer and not so clearly defined. [I'll have to phix that in Photoshop 8-)))] I suspect it doesn't happen very often.. Indeed, it is on 2943 as well, and as I just noticed - there are also two lines (not one as I had thought). Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:38:46 -0800 Jens Bladt wrote: Very nice photographs, Igor. Do ahve an explanation for the virticval line thing? Great lens, isn't is? Regards Jens Thank you! Did you mean horizontal line? (I don't see any vertical lines of a particular interest) No, I don't have explanation. I am thinking if it could be due to the light reflected from the water that then gets scattered by the lower air layers (which should also contain more water mist that can produce this light scattering). Nevertheless, I am puzzled why there are clearly seen _two_ lines. If these photos were taken with a film camera I would've started looking if something left a trace on the film when it was advanced. As for the lens, - I am not completely sure. It is good, but I was expecting something better. As I said, I didn't notice much difference from the Tamron lens (image 2943 was taken with Tamron). Igor
Re: Katzeye optics - Review???
OK, guys. Don't forget there are 2 versions of theses screens: normal Optibrite treatment. If I understand things well, the Optibrite treatment is very useful with the split screen and is useable way darker than with the normal one. However, it introduces noticeable exposure problems. If one buy the split screen without the Optibrite thing, it is way more predictable. This is how I understand things. -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing
Shel Belinkoff wrote: And once again, nobody included the URL to the pics ... ~Please Don't Delete The URL's ~ ... Thank you in advance for subsequent consideration. Shel Don't blame me, I left it in. [Original Message] From: Igor Roshchin Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:30:41 -0800 mike wilson wrote: PS. Rather interesting effect on IMGP2945: two horizontal lines, better noticeable on the island. Seems to be a weather or spray phenomenon. It's on 2943, also. What do you mean by spray phenomenon? There are several different things people call spray phenomenon, but I was not able relate those to the observed. Do you mean the same as what I describe below? Indeed, it is on 2943 as well, and as I just noticed - there are also two lines (not one as I had thought). Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:38:46 -0800 Jens Bladt wrote: Very nice photographs, Igor. Do ahve an explanation for the virticval line thing? Great lens, isn't is? Regards Jens Thank you! Did you mean horizontal line? (I don't see any vertical lines of a particular interest) No, I don't have explanation. I am thinking if it could be due to the light reflected from the water that then gets scattered by the lower air layers (which should also contain more water mist that can produce this light scattering). Nevertheless, I am puzzled why there are clearly seen _two_ lines. If these photos were taken with a film camera I would've started looking if something left a trace on the film when it was advanced. As for the lens, - I am not completely sure. It is good, but I was expecting something better. As I said, I didn't notice much difference from the Tamron lens (image 2943 was taken with Tamron). Igor
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
Hardly. Few in this world address their cause with more zealotry than our bretheren on the left. And even the pope is no more convinced of his infallibility than are the liberal idealogues. But that's true of many of the groups to which humans tend to migrate. I claim membership in none, but I sometimes feel obliged to hold up a mirror. Paul -- Original message -- From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now *that's* an army I would sign on for :) Sadly no, by definition, that's not it. And you know your analogy was worse than mine. j On 2/15/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secular Humanism? On Feb 15, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: Neoconservatism? On 2/14/06, Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and which is that? best, mishka On 2/14/06, E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Demonstrably untrue. I'm not saying it wasn't true several centuries ago, but there's currently one religion making a greater attempt to impose its beliefs on the rest of the world -- by force and fear of violence -- and that religion isn't (nor does it claim to be) any branch of Christianity. -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
Re: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing
By special request: http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/WhaleWatch/ Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:34:31 -0800 Shel Belinkoff wrote: And once again, nobody included the URL to the pics ... ~Please Don't Delete The URL's ~ ... Thank you in advance for subsequent consideration. Shel
Re: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing
I prefer IMGP2943w.jpg than IMGP2943wi personnaly. Very nice photos indeed. BTW I notice my SMC-F 70-210 is slow to focus on my D (as well as on my SFXn) but way faster on my Z1. Anybody noticed the same behaviour? I thougt the lens was problematic but now I think it's just the D which has difficult moving the 70-210 (which is a tank really IMO). -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
PESO - Meself
Hi! I think this Sigma lens is very reasonable replacement of my K24/2.8... http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=11967 What do you say? Boris
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
Mishka wrote: my comments inline, best, mishka On 2/15/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wahabbi extremist leaders is a guy named Osama Bin Laden. and just how did he impose his religion on the other countries? and on which? His stated goal is to impose Sharia on the entire world. His attack on the US on 9/11 was planned to start a global Jihad which would result in the return of the Caliphate, imposition of Sharia on the Dar-al-Islam and then the eventual expansion of the Dar-al-Islam to encompass the entire globe. He was involved with the imposition of Wahhabist-style Sharia on Afghanistan though (He worked closely with the Taliban, and still does). a major funder of the Taliban (Who were Wahabbist, and portions thereof did invade Afghanistan to impose Sharia afghanistan has been an islamic country, well before taleban appeared on the radar. they lived under sharia all along (except for a short period of soviet occupation). Afghanistan was not under Sharia law prior to the Soviet invasion. They had a brief period of self-rule, under a democracy of sorts. The impositoin of Sharia happened in 1996, after a civil war which followed the Soviet pull-out. There is a distinct difference between a muslim country, and one under the rule of Sharia law. Right now only Iran and Saudi Arabia are truly under Shari law, other muslim nations have either limited implementations of Sharia, or a mostly secular legal apparatus. Saudi's are also major funders of extremist Islamic groups worldwide, and Saudi funded groups actively promote both violence and imposition of Sharia wherever they are found (And they are heavily active in the UK, and to a lesser extent in the US). don't know about UK, but i am blanking trying to remember who was imposing sharia on who, here in the US. the mormons and jehova's witnesses, otoh, have been quite annoying in the supermarkets... Not imposing, trying to impose (they've not succeeded, closest they came was in getting Sharia added to the list of religious arbitration options ofr Family Law, the government responded by ending all religious-based arbitration). There's a difference. And one of the differences is in methods. The Mormons and JW's try to convert by talking to you, the Wahabbists are willing to kill you. If you look at who has been organizing these 'spontaneous' demonstrations in London over the Mohammed Cartoons, you'll see which groups I'm referring to. -Adam
Re: PESO - Meself
Can't really say much about the lens on the basis of a low-res image, but I like the pic. Fun shot, nicely done. Paul -- Original message -- From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! I think this Sigma lens is very reasonable replacement of my K24/2.8... http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=11967 What do you say? Boris
Re: lightscribe DVD burners
Since I work for a consumer electronics retailer, while supplies last is usually an indicator that the item is a clearance item. It doesn't mean that the family of products is dead-ended, butusually that a new model is in the works. I know that they have been working on color Lightscribe, maybe it is soon to be here. Or they are anticipating the new DVD technology and have Blue-Ray or HD DVD drives coming. jm - Original Message - From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: OT: lightscribe DVD burners Hi I'm thinking of getting an external DVD burner for my computer and am intrigued with the lightscribe technology. But it seems that everywhere I look it says while supplies last. Does anyone know if they are phasing out that technology? I'd hate to spend the extra bucks then find out I can't get the media. Also, anyone using it? Problems etc.? Butch
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
Adam Maas wrote: --snip-- Not imposing, trying to impose (they've not succeeded, closest they came was in getting Sharia added to the list of religious arbitration options ofr Family Law, the government responded by ending all religious-based arbitration). -Adam Note that this happened in Ontario, Canada. -Adam
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
don't know about UK, but i am blanking trying to remember who was imposing sharia on who, here in the US. the mormons and jehova's witnesses, otoh, have been quite annoying in the supermarkets... Let's make sure we differentiate between holding a gun to your head and attempting to engage you in a constitutional exercise of free speech. See a difference there? Tom C.
RE: PESO - Meself
Cute ... clearly shows your sophisticated sense of humor and keen photographic eye. Says nothing about the lens, though. Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman I think this Sigma lens is very reasonable replacement of my K24/2.8... http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=11967 What do you say?
Re: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:36:53 -0800 mike wilson wrote: Igor Roshchin wrote: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:30:41 -0800 mike wilson wrote: PS. Rather interesting effect on IMGP2945: two horizontal lines, better noticeable on the island. Seems to be a weather or spray phenomenon. It's on 2943, also. What do you mean by spray phenomenon? There are several different things people call spray phenomenon, but I was not able relate those to the observed. Do you mean the same as what I describe below? Yes. A possible mechanism would be that there are two or more layers of air, separated because they are at different temperatures. Spray drops of a certain size get trapped in one layer but not in another. As the islands seem to be quite rocky, it seems reasonable to assume that there would be plenty of spray around to generate this phenomenon when the conditions are right. I've seen similar on the coast here but only one layer and not so clearly defined. [I'll have to phix that in Photoshop 8-)))] I suspect it doesn't happen very often.. Yes, it is possible. Just wanted to point out that the same two layers can bee seen away from the islands. SO, islands, probably do not play any role in creating those layers, but they just increase the contrast of the layers. PS. And by popular demand: http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/WhaleWatch/
Re: PESO: Whale Watching and SMC-F 70-210 testing
On 2/14/06, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just last week, I received an SMC F 70-210/4-5.6 that I purchased on eBay. First, I shot a few test shots at home using my *ist DS and this lens, comparing it to my Tamron AF 70-300/4-5.6. I was surprised that at the same settings (70 and 210 /4, /8) the resolution was very comparable. On the weekend we went on a whale watching tour, so I thought it would be a good test for this lens to see how it behaves with different lighting conditions. (I thought SMC can show its advantage in the case of a complicated light.) Here are a few shots: http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/WhaleWatch/ IMGP2888 ISO 800, 1/1500, f/6.7, 210 (70-210) IMGP2943 ISO 200, 1/750, f/11, 85 IMGP2945 ISO 200, 1/750, f/16, 210 (70-210) IMGP2966 ISO 200, 1/750, f/6.7 210 (70-210) (minimum manipulations in Photoshop: exposure correction, removal of a dust speckle from the sky by the clone stamp tool in photoshop, PEF-jpg, resizing). I've been whale-watching many times, and other than one spectacular occasion, when we came upon a pod of humpbacks, I've seen about as many whales as you seem to have. LOL I like your pix, BTW. As between the 2nd and 3rd shots, I prefer the darker one - better mood, IMHO. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
On 2/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hardly. Few in this world address their cause with more zealotry than our bretheren on the left. And even the pope is no more convinced of his infallibility than are the liberal idealogues. But that's true of many of the groups to which humans tend to migrate. I claim membership in none, but I sometimes feel obliged to hold up a mirror. Paul, You really think that the left is more zealous than, say the Evangelical Religious Right, especially in the US? -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
frank theriault wrote: On 2/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hardly. Few in this world address their cause with more zealotry than our bretheren on the left. And even the pope is no more convinced of his infallibility than are the liberal idealogues. But that's true of many of the groups to which humans tend to migrate. I claim membership in none, but I sometimes feel obliged to hold up a mirror. Paul, You really think that the left is more zealous than, say the Evangelical Religious Right, especially in the US? -frank I'd say equally zealous. There's precious little difference in my books between Ralph Nader and Pat Robertson in my books. -Adam
Re: PESO - Sunnin'
On 2/14/06, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shot in last Autumn during one of my walks. Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X AF 400/5.6, Handheld ISO 400, 1/1000 sec @ f/9.5 Converted from Raw using Capture One LE http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1727.htm Comments welcome -- Lovely, bucolic scene, very well captured (as we've come to expect from you). cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
On 2/15/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say equally zealous. There's precious little difference in my books between Ralph Nader and Pat Robertson in my books. Ralph Nader is far left? I always took him for middle of the road. g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
frank theriault wrote: On 2/15/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say equally zealous. There's precious little difference in my books between Ralph Nader and Pat Robertson in my books. Ralph Nader is far left? I always took him for middle of the road. g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson Presidential Candidate for the Greens. That's far left. Of course I differentiate between Communists and the 'left'. The former are, like Libertarians, not really left or right but really opposites on a second axis. -Adam
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
On Feb 15, 2006, at 2:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: I'd say equally zealous. There's precious little difference in my books between Ralph Nader and Pat Robertson in my books. There's a big difference. I once worked for Pat Robertson. Ralph Nader at least believes what he preaches. Bob
Enablement step 1
Got in the A*85/1.4 today. It's a user, but @ half the going rate I didn't mind that. Did some repair on it right away to get A position working. Next is to order a new mount. I put an A50/1.7 mount on it. Now it thinks 1.7 is as wide as it goes. Alas. A new mount ring will be a good thing. Some internal cleaning is in order as well. The crop in digital is nice. Very similar to 100mm on a film body. Later this week, perhaps this weekend, I'll do a comparison between FA50/1.4, A*85.1.4, A100/2.8. Not so much to compare quality as to compare usefulness. The size isn't too bad. I expected a heavier lens. Collin He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott
Re: PESO - Meself
Cleverly sharp! Jack --- Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I think this Sigma lens is very reasonable replacement of my K24/2.8... http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=11967 What do you say? Boris __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
Bob Shell wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 2:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: I'd say equally zealous. There's precious little difference in my books between Ralph Nader and Pat Robertson in my books. There's a big difference. I once worked for Pat Robertson. Ralph Nader at least believes what he preaches. Bob He might believe it, he sure doesn't practice it. His organizations work very similarly to the 700 Club, being nothing but a big cash generation machine. -Adam
RE: PESO - Meself
I second that, Boris. Well - the lens does work, Shel - I'm sure you'll agree! Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. februar 2006 19:27 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: PESO - Meself Cute ... clearly shows your sophisticated sense of humor and keen photographic eye. Says nothing about the lens, though. Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman I think this Sigma lens is very reasonable replacement of my K24/2.8... http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=11967 What do you say? -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006
RE: Expensive photo
new world record price for a photo, by Edward Steichen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4715106.stm -- Does the knock-on effect cause my masterpieces to double in value, too? Almost certainly, but I'm no expert in the art market. Next time you're down here, let's take some along to Sotheby's and find out! Bob
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
frank, in usa, everything that's left of democrats is considered far left. best, mishka On 2/15/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ralph Nader is far left? I always took him for middle of the road. g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
I think the activist left is a bit more zealous than the hardcore Evangelicals, but it's a close call. -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hardly. Few in this world address their cause with more zealotry than our bretheren on the left. And even the pope is no more convinced of his infallibility than are the liberal idealogues. But that's true of many of the groups to which humans tend to migrate. I claim membership in none, but I sometimes feel obliged to hold up a mirror. Paul, You really think that the left is more zealous than, say the Evangelical Religious Right, especially in the US? -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
That's what makes him more dangerous. -- Original message -- From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 15, 2006, at 2:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: I'd say equally zealous. There's precious little difference in my books between Ralph Nader and Pat Robertson in my books. There's a big difference. I once worked for Pat Robertson. Ralph Nader at least believes what he preaches. Bob
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
I'm a Canadian, so I view anything left of the NDP (Which Nader is left of, generally) as far left. -Adam Mishka wrote: frank, in usa, everything that's left of democrats is considered far left. best, mishka On 2/15/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ralph Nader is far left? I always took him for middle of the road. g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
On Feb 15, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Mishka wrote: frank, in usa, everything that's left of democrats is considered far left. best, mishka You mean it's possible to be left of a democrat? Will wonders never cease!! Bob
RE: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
How does one measure zeal? -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2006 19:58 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE I think the activist left is a bit more zealous than the hardcore Evangelicals, but it's a close call.
Re: PESO - Meself
Ditto what Paul said. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - Meself Can't really say much about the lens on the basis of a low-res image, but I like the pic. Fun shot, nicely done. Paul -- Original message -- From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! I think this Sigma lens is very reasonable replacement of my K24/2.8... http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=11967 What do you say? Boris
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 03:08:32PM -0500, Bob Shell wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Mishka wrote: frank, in usa, everything that's left of democrats is considered far left. best, mishka You mean it's possible to be left of a democrat? Will wonders never cease!! With some (big D) Democrats it depends on when you do the measuring. But, yes, it's quite possible to be significantly to the left of the democratic party platform, just as it's possible to be to the right of the republican party platform - just take a look at the extremists in either party. It used to be that just about any political party in Europe (except, possibly, for the British Conservative party under Margaret Thatcher) would have been regarded as left of the American Democratic party.
PESO - Walking
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/68167923/ MX and 50/1.4 Super-Takumar, Tri-X in Rodinal 1:25.
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
There's precious little difference in my books between Ralph Nader and Pat Robertson in my books. I don't think Robertson hates Corvairs. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE frank theriault wrote: On 2/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hardly. Few in this world address their cause with more zealotry than our bretheren on the left. And even the pope is no more convinced of his infallibility than are the liberal idealogues. But that's true of many of the groups to which humans tend to migrate. I claim membership in none, but I sometimes feel obliged to hold up a mirror. Paul, You really think that the left is more zealous than, say the Evangelical Religious Right, especially in the US? -frank I'd say equally zealous. There's precious little difference in my books between Ralph Nader and Pat Robertson in my books. -Adam
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
On Feb 15, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: There's precious little difference in my books between Ralph Nader and Pat Robertson in my books. I don't think Robertson hates Corvairs. Not if he can somehow make a buck off them. Bob
Re: Enablement step 1
On 15/2/06, Collin R Brendemuehl, discombobulated, unleashed: Got in the A*85/1.4 today. It's a user, but @ half the going rate I didn't mind that. Did some repair on it right away to get A position working. Next is to order a new mount. I put an A50/1.7 mount on it. Now it thinks 1.7 is as wide as it goes. Alas. A new mount ring will be a good thing. Some internal cleaning is in order as well. The crop in digital is nice. Very similar to 100mm on a film body. Later this week, perhaps this weekend, I'll do a comparison between FA50/1.4, A*85.1.4, A100/2.8. Not so much to compare quality as to compare usefulness. The size isn't too bad. I expected a heavier lens. Congrats Collin. That is the best lens in the world. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
OT - So you think your details are secure.... :-)
This is amusing but a little bit too close to the bone for comfort. http://www.madville.com/link.php?id=127244t=24 DSL useful. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PESO - Fall Morning at a Michigan Lake
Jack - Un-natural look of blue in trees detracts somewhat. Might be due to a morning fog that was burning off. Thanks for commenting. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO - Fall Morning at a Michigan Lake Very nice mood, well composed. Un-natural look of blue in trees detracts somewhat. Jack --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html All comments solicited Yeah, nay, and/or otherwise What would you do differently? Thanks in advance Kenneth Waller __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
Bob Shell wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: There's precious little difference in my books between Ralph Nader and Pat Robertson in my books. I don't think Robertson hates Corvairs. Not if he can somehow make a buck off them. Bob Making money is the reason Nader hated them. Didn't matter that what he was complaining about only actually applied to the base model during teh first year they were on the market, and wasn't actually a major safety issue (Not to mention the fact that every Volkswagen Beetle had the same issue). It got Nader's name in the paper, and made him famous. -Adam
Re: PESO - Walking
Adam, To me this seems very cluttered. The women do not stand out from the background and grafitti. Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/68167923/ MX and 50/1.4 Super-Takumar, Tri-X in Rodinal 1:25. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
