RE: WTB - Pentax SMC A35mm f 2.8

[Jens Bladt]

>Our cats throw up hairballs, PDMLers throw up lenses.
This must be a keeper for the anual specisl "what they are all saying"
qoutes?
Regards
Jens

Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk

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Emne: Re: WTB - Pentax SMC A35mm f 2.8


Our cats throw up hairballs, PDMLers throw up lenses.
Gross.

Rick

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> There's been a few on eBay but I mentioned that
> occasionally list
> members throw one up for sale. Anything going?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
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>
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Somebody makes a grip for the DS ...

[John Francis]

This link was just posted on rec.photo.digital.slr-systems:

http://www.dicain.com/2002/zb/view.php?id=notice&no=61

FS friday

[Ann Sanfedele]

It's a beautiful book - I earned it for helping with some
photo Scrabble research -

the "Bettmann Moments" first edition. mint. isbn 0974501255.
Photos from the Bettmann Archives. 

Huge coffee table book, but I bet you guys know that.

I'd like $20 plus shipping.  It weighs a ton - the shipping
will be media
mail in USA - not sure how much though.

ann

Re: WTB - dead EOS

[David Mann]

On Mar 18, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Bob Shell wrote:


I need a dead EOS body.


Next time I visit Cotty I'll have one for you }:)

- Dave

Re: OT Film

[David Mann]

On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:59 PM, Tom C wrote:

FWIW... the Minolta scanner seems pretty good from everything I've  
read... but it's a little hard to plunk down $1500 for a  
discontinued refurbished unit, with support lasting who knows how  
long from Konica-Minolta.


I bought a new Multi Pro a little over a year ago.  Nothing wrong  
with it, as far as I can tell.  I just wish they'd built the  
Scanhancer into it, like they did with the 5400.


- Dave

Re: OT Film

[David Mann]

On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:42 PM, William Robb wrote:


I can only imagine.
A picture with the 100, a black frame with the 50 because the  
shutter speed would have been too slow for handholding, so the  
picture wasn't taken.


I'm good at not taking pictures.  Maybe I can get a job as his  
assistant.


- Dave

Re: OT Film

[David Mann]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 9:31 PM, mike wilson wrote:

For those who like their eyeballs sunny side up,  www.7dayshop.com  
is advertising large stocks of fresh (and last ever) Velvia 50.  If  
you can't order (they only deliver to the UK) I'm happy to be an  
intermediary.


Order the entire stock and slip the shipping captain a fiver to dump  
it all at sea.


- Dave

Re: istDS Questions

[David Oswald]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

As it's been a while since I've used the istDS, and the firmware on my
current camera has been upgraded to v2.0, there are a few questions about
settings that I may have.

The first is "Grids."  This is something that wasn't available with the
earlier firmware.  I ticked the box for Grids when setting up the menus,
but have yet to see grids of any sort appear anywhere.  What exactly is
"grids" and how are they activated, used, or seen?

Does v2.0 of the firmware allow for a faster write speed, one that is
comparable to the DS2?

More questions later.



As Godfrey mentioned, the guides are what display on the color LCD 
screen when you first turn the camera on (telling you what shooting mode 
you're in), and for a few moments when you first change shooting modes. 
 I turned that feature off because I can see on the top of the camera 
what mode I'm in, without consuming battery power to display a pretty 
graphic.  But the guides are useful if you're shooting at night, where 
the dial on top of the camera may be difficult to read.  That's not so 
much of an issue for me, at least not as much as the issue of running 
the  batteries down.


I figure any time I can keep the LCD off, I'm conserving power.

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kenneth Waller"

Subject: Re: PESO - In my back yard




Wm Robb, ("Nasty bokeh") -
Different bokeh, I'm not sure I'd call it nasty -  YMMV. As I said above, 
I'm in a heavily treed area and some of the background business is due to 
the myriad of tree branches all over the place.


It's a double image bokeh, which I don't happen to like.
Sometimes bokeh can be screwed up with sharpening.
Was much sharpening applied?

Re: FS: PK to EOS adapter

[Mishka]

wendy,
afaik, if you want to use a non-FF eos, you don't have to mutilate the lenses.
best,
mishka

On 3/17/06, wendy beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I bought one of these from Mr.Rolfo a few months back and can't bring
> myself to mutilate any of my wonderful Pentax lenses
>
> So I'm offering it up here for sale if anyone's interested.
> I paid US$66 (or E66,  can't remember) but the last one I saw went for
> about US$50
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7599356467
>
> Open to offers. Will post for free
> --
> Wendy Beard
> Ottawa
> Canada
>
>

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 4:07 PM, Lon Williamson wrote:


Hell, in the mid 90s Apple had a hardware solution:  a 386 card,
if I remember correctly.  And someone at the same time had a software-
only solution.  This is back in the 68K processor days.


Yes, but two separate computers in a single box, each running on its  
own memory and processor, is a totally different thing from having a  
single hardware setup that can boot multiple OSes.


Godfrey

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Cotty wrote:


On 17/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:


Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware
four years ago when I was at Apple.


Are you still bound by the non-disclosure agreement you signed back  
then ? ;-)


For things which are company proprietary and secret, yes. The use of  
Intel processors is no longer secret, nor company proprietary  
information.


I worked with the development tools teams. If you wanted to develop a  
compiler and development effort to build Mac OS for an Intel  
processor four years ago, you bought an Intel computing box, which  
could run Windows or Linux or any other OS written for it, and  
started work on the development process to bring up Mac OS in the  
Intel processor environment, one piece at a time.


The Intel-based hardware Apple is shipping I had no direct contact  
with. I can tell you nothing about how it differs from a standard  
Intel box that runs Windows. I do know the hardware and OS bootstrap  
procedure is quite different.


Godfrey

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[Kenneth Waller]

Thanks to Tom C, Fernando, Paul, Bruce, Wm Robb & Dave B for looking & 
commenting


Tom C, ( "The bird itself seems rather soft") & Paul ("How does the full 
sized image look at 100%") -
@ 100 % on my LCD I would term it commercially acceptable, not the sharpest 
I've gotten from this lens.


Fernando, ("The only thing that distracts me a little are the out of focus 
branches") -
since my yard is heavily treed, I am fortunate to get as unobstructed a view 
as I've got.


Bruce, ("I am wondering a bit about the bokeh - perhaps that converter does 
affect it somewhat") -
I'm not sure myself, as I told Paul, I haven't shot with the 2XL convertor 
very much & have no real prior experience with it. Hopefully that's 
something I can find out as this little projects continue.


Wm Robb, ("Nasty bokeh") -
Different bokeh, I'm not sure I'd call it nasty -  YMMV. As I said above, 
I'm in a heavily treed area and some of the background business is due to 
the myriad of tree branches all over the place.




From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Subject: PESO - In my back yard
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:34:26 -0500

Should be an interesting spring around here.
Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers working on a 
dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new home & moved 
in.


The posted image @ 
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

was captured from my bedroom balcony.

* istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 1548 
Tripod.

800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.

Comments of any kind appreciated.

Kenneth Waller

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[John Francis]

I'm sure he's looking forward to the improved reliability & economy :-)


On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 08:19:57AM +0800, David Savage wrote:
> What does the Ferrari own think about that plan?
> 
> Dave :-)
> 
> On 3/18/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98
> > Honda Civic  in a Ferrari.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > On 3/17/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Cotty wrote:
> > >
> > > > It was only a matter of time..
> > > > 
> > >
> > > Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware
> > > four years ago when I was at Apple.
> > >
> > > Godfrey
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Juan Buhler
> > Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
> > Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
> >
> >

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[John Francis]

I had some experience with that product; there was also a version
of it that ran on Apollo (68000-based) workstations.  As Paul says,
the software emulation hoovered.  The version that used hardware
(a 286, not a 386, IIRC), plus some fancy logic to share the ISA
bus, worked a great deal better.  You could even boot the device
off the 5 1/4 floppy on the Apollo.

I used that quite a bit - it was easier to just run my old DOS
code on the simulated environment than to port it to the Apollo.


On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 07:36:31PM -0500, Lon Williamson wrote:
> Yup.  Softwindows it was.  Never ran it.  I had my Mac,
> but always had access to PCs within a year or two of their introduction.
> Ahh XT and a 10MB hard drive for something like 4 or 5 grand in 
> 1985.
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >I used SoftWindows on an early Power Mac
> 
> >On Mar 17, 2006, at 7:07 PM, Lon Williamson wrote:
> >
> >>Hell, in the mid 90s Apple had a hardware solution:  a 386 card,
> >>if I remember correctly.  And someone at the same time had a software-
> >>only solution.  This is back in the 68K processor days.

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[Lon Williamson]

Yup.  Softwindows it was.  Never ran it.  I had my Mac,
but always had access to PCs within a year or two of their introduction.
Ahh XT and a 10MB hard drive for something like 4 or 5 grand in 
1985.


Paul Stenquist wrote:

I used SoftWindows on an early Power Mac



On Mar 17, 2006, at 7:07 PM, Lon Williamson wrote:


Hell, in the mid 90s Apple had a hardware solution:  a 386 card,
if I remember correctly.  And someone at the same time had a software-
only solution.  This is back in the 68K processor days.

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[William Robb]

On 3/18/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98
Honda Civic  in a Ferrari.


A friend of mine put a small block Chevy engine and drivetrain into a 
postwar Rolls Royce (not sure of the year, but the first year they started 
making them agian).

He uses it as a wedding limo and didn't want to kill the Rolls engine.

William Robb 

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[Paul Stenquist]

I used SoftWindows on an early Power Mac to run some software for 
analyzing performance data fromf RC race cars back in the mid nineties. 
It was okay for this relatively low demand software, which was 
basically just a tool for displaying what an onboard data collector had 
gathered during a race. But SoftWindows hoovered completely for any 
windows software that required horsepower. It was a shell program, 
which is almost always crippling.

On Mar 17, 2006, at 7:07 PM, Lon Williamson wrote:


Hell, in the mid 90s Apple had a hardware solution:  a 386 card,
if I remember correctly.  And someone at the same time had a software-
only solution.  This is back in the 68K processor days.

Cotty wrote:


On 17/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware  
four years ago when I was at Apple.
Are you still bound by the non-disclosure agreement you signed back 
then ? ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[David Savage]

What does the Ferrari own think about that plan?

Dave :-)

On 3/18/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98
> Honda Civic  in a Ferrari.
>
> :)
>
> On 3/17/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Cotty wrote:
> >
> > > It was only a matter of time..
> > > 
> >
> > Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware
> > four years ago when I was at Apple.
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Juan Buhler
> Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
> Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
>
>

RE: russiancopy

[Tim Øsleby]

Thanks Bob


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 17. mars 2006 15:47
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: russiancopy
> 
> 
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
> 
> > If you wrote a review of the lens you might be able to remember
> > some of the
> > highlights of the review. Reconstructing might not be a very
> > scientific
> > method, but could give some hints.
> >
> > If it's a lot of trouble doing it, then forget it. It's not that
> > important
> > to me. I'm asking mainly out of general curiosity.
> 
> 
> I summarized in my earlier post.
> 
> As good as the first generation 300/2.8 Nikkor with low-dispersion
> glass, but not as good as the current ones.  Translation:  better
> than Sigma, maybe better than Tamron and Tokina.
> 
> Bob
> 

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[Paul Stenquist]

Yeah, the bokeh leaves something to be desired, but I wouldn't call it 
nasty. I think bokeh quality is quite often the result of the 
placement, shape and color of background objects rather than the way 
the lens renders them. Although I must admit that i have had my doubts 
about converters and bokeh. I've had some unhappy bokeh experience when 
combining the A400 with the A2XS converter. Again, I was never sure 
that it wasn't the result of the subject rather than the rendering. In 
this shot, the bokeh could easily be repaired by cloning out some of 
the out of focus branches.

On Mar 17, 2006, at 6:36 PM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller"
Subject: PESO - In my back yard




http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
was captured from my bedroom balcony.

* istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 
1548 Tripod.

800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.

Comments of any kind appreciated.


Nasty bokeh.

William Robb

Re: OT Film

[Jack Davis]

Velvia, smellvia! Repent and seek forgiveness my boy. =)
Sunsets and sunrises tend to allow some tacky tones, but honest color
representations will better serve your beautifully composed images.

Jack 

--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pure heresy... that's what it is! Oh the agony of it all :-)
> 
> Velvia was never meant to be a general purpose film for all subject
> types. 
> It does work well with many nature subjects, landscapes, when there's
> "good 
> light".  I still contend the results are more real looking in those
> contexts 
> than the drab washed out Kodachrome look which brings truthfulness to
> the 
> expression "the picture just doesn't do it justice".
> 
> Provia's all around a good film.  I'd still rather shoot
> sunsets.sunrises 
> with Velvia.
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >Subject: Re: OT Film
> >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:57:04 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Me too, Godfrey. IMO, the only possible reason to shoot Velvia is
> it's
> >professed greater resolution and the fact that I have  PS
> "saturation"
> >and "hue" sliders.
> >Provia and Astia much preferred.
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >
> >--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Derek wrote:
> > >
> > > >> I'm not suggesting that I am looking for the finest grain. 
> When
> > > did
> > > >> Velvia 100 non-F launch?  I was running my lab until May and
> at
> > > that
> > > >> point we had heard nothing about it -- was it late summer?  I
> have
> > > to
> > > >> wonder what the point is of such a film -- they didn't keep
> dual
> > > >> inventory of Provia 100 F and non-F nor Astia 100 F and non-F.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I think I was handed a bunch of sample rolls of the new Velvia
> 100
> > >
> > > > (ie not 100F) in either July or August last year.  It was ok,
> but
> > > > not the same as the Velvia 50.  The saturation was not there,
> > > > especially when shooting sunsets and the dusk sky.
> > > >
> > > > Derek
> > > >
> > >
> > > For me, personally, the hyper-saturated Velvia look is something
> I
> > > have never liked. It makes the world look like it's all cartoon
> > > colors.
> > >
> > > Godfrey
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[Lon Williamson]

Hell, in the mid 90s Apple had a hardware solution:  a 386 card,
if I remember correctly.  And someone at the same time had a software-
only solution.  This is back in the 68K processor days.

Cotty wrote:


On 17/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:


Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware  
four years ago when I was at Apple.



Are you still bound by the non-disclosure agreement you signed back then ? ;-)




Cheers,
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Re: OT Film

[Tom C]

William Robb wrote:


I can only imagine.
A picture with the 100, a black frame with the 50 because the shutter speed 
would have been too slow for handholding, so the picture wasn't taken.


William Robb



That would be it...

Google directed me there so I could read a comparison of MF film scanners.  
I wanted to compare the discontinued Minolta 'multi-pro' with the Nikon LS 
9000.  Even though he writes that he will compare the scanners, he never 
bothers to get a Nikon scanner beacuse he's alread heard about it 
anecdotally and has made up his mind.


FWIW... the Minolta scanner seems pretty good from everything I've read... 
but it's a little hard to plunk down $1500 for a discontinued refurbished 
unit, with support lasting who knows how long from Konica-Minolta.



Tom C.

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[David J Brooks]

As always, lovely Ken.

That 600 performs very well

Dave

Quoting Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Should be an interesting spring around here.
Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers working 
on a dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new 
home & moved in.


The posted image @ 
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

was captured from my bedroom balcony.

* istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 
1548 Tripod.

800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.

Comments of any kind appreciated.

Kenneth Waller






Equine Photography in York Region

Re: OT 4 months....

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage" 


Subject: Re: OT 4 months


Thanks Bill,

Very much appreciated. I owe you a drink.


Buy John Forbes a drink instead...
It evens things out a bit.

William Robb

Re: OT Film

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Aaron Reynolds"

Subject: Re: OT Film



On Mar 17, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Adam Maas wrote:


I can't find a good comparison online apart from Ken Rockwell's.


I can only imagine.
A picture with the 100, a black frame with the 50 because the shutter speed 
would have been too slow for handholding, so the picture wasn't taken.


William Robb 

Re: OT Film

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Derek"

Subject: Re: OT Film


I heard a rumor from a couple of professional photographers, who work in 
the LA area and exclusively shoot Velvia 50,  that Fuji is reconsidering 
their decision to discontinue Velvia 50 . . .


In Fuji's world, if a product is not making money anymore, it's toast.
The only way they would reconsider dropping a product would be if it was 
still profitable to make it.
They know about buying spikes, so a buying rush after a discontinuation 
announcement won't change their minds.


William Robb 

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kenneth Waller"

Subject: PESO - In my back yard




http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
was captured from my bedroom balcony.

* istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 1548 
Tripod.

800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.

Comments of any kind appreciated.


Nasty bokeh.

William Robb 

Re: WTB - Pentax SMC A35mm f 2.8

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a friend (not on the list) who is trying to find an A35mm f 2.8.

Speaking of which, is the A version less prone to the sticky aperture
problem than the notorious M version?

BTW, I've been using my M2.8/35 mm for night photography in Boulogne,
lately, and it has produced some of the worst flare I've ever seen.

Ralf

-- 
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private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses

Re: More Kennyboy quotes

[Tom C]

We could all stop picking on each other then!

Tom C.


From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: "pentax list" 
Subject: Re: More Kennyboy quotes
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:03:49 +

On 17/3/06, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:

>He's not stupid, but he has a predisposition to making blanket statements
>and often trivializes aspects of a topic that he knows little about or 
does

>not care to write about.

(re Kenny boy)

So you reckon he'd fit right in here on the PDML ?

;-)


Cheers,
  Cotty

Re: WTB - Pentax SMC A35mm f 2.8

[Rick Womer]

Our cats throw up hairballs, PDMLers throw up lenses. 
Gross.

Rick

--- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a friend (not on the list) who is trying to
> find an A35mm f 2.8.
> There's been a few on eBay but I mentioned that
> occasionally list
> members throw one up for sale. Anything going?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
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Re: PESO - In my back yard

[Paul Stenquist]

I wonder if the subject is soft. I think it's too close to call based 
on the jpeg. How does the full sized image look at 100%, Ken?

On Mar 17, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


Well framed and captured.  I am wondering a bit about the bokeh -
perhaps that converter does affect it somewhat.  To my eye, it seems
that there is almost a double image to the OOF area and the subject is
just a tad soft.  I'd be real curious to see the difference with and
without the 2X.

For my use, I have a Tokina 2X that I just don't use because there is
too much compromise to the image.

--
Bruce


Friday, March 17, 2006, 1:34:26 PM, you wrote:

KW> Should be an interesting spring around here.
KW> Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers 
working on a
KW> dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new home 
& moved

KW> in.

KW> The posted image @
KW> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
KW> was captured from my bedroom balcony.

KW> * istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on 
Gitzo 1548

KW> Tripod.
KW> 800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.

KW> Comments of any kind appreciated.

KW> Kenneth Waller

Re: More Kennyboy quotes

[E.R.N. Reed]

Cotty wrote:


On 17/3/06, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:

 

He's not stupid, but he has a predisposition to making blanket statements 
and often trivializes aspects of a topic that he knows little about or does 
not care to write about.
   



(re Kenny boy)

So you reckon he'd fit right in here on the PDML ?

;-)


 


Let's hope he doesn't decide to join us. :S

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[Cotty]

On 17/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware  
>four years ago when I was at Apple.

Are you still bound by the non-disclosure agreement you signed back then ? ;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: More Kennyboy quotes

[Cotty]

On 17/3/06, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:

>He's not stupid, but he has a predisposition to making blanket statements 
>and often trivializes aspects of a topic that he knows little about or does 
>not care to write about.

(re Kenny boy)

So you reckon he'd fit right in here on the PDML ?

;-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: OT Another PS Question

[Lon Williamson]

Go back to CS and enable Maximize Backwards Compatibility for file 
saves.  It might help.


-Lon

Dave Brooks wrote:


Hi Troops.

Do earlier versions of PS have problems opening up files from newer versions.?

The logo i'm doing was done on the ibook (PSCS)G4 OSX. I saved as a Jpg ( I 
didi not merge any layers)and moved it to my PC Windows XP Home SP 2.
When i went to open in PS 7 it gave me an eror of not enough memeory to open. 
The file is only 68K.
However it would open in PSEL3 but i could not do anything to it as it said the 
layers were locked.

Any tips.?

I have one more thing to add to the logo, and now i have problems??? Go 
fiqure.LOL I 'll finish it in CS on the ibook, just curious whats happening 
here.

Dave


David J Brooks
Equine, Pets, Bands, Rural Landscape Photography in York Region
www.caughtinmotion.com
Pentax istD, PZ-1, Nikon D1 D2H

Re: OT Film

[Derek]

Preach it Brother Tom!!!

Derek

 -- Original message --
From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Pure heresy... that's what it is! Oh the agony of it all :-)
> 
> Velvia was never meant to be a general purpose film for all subject types. 
> It does work well with many nature subjects, landscapes, when there's "good 
> light".  I still contend the results are more real looking in those contexts 
> than the drab washed out Kodachrome look which brings truthfulness to the 
> expression "the picture just doesn't do it justice".
> 
> Provia's all around a good film.  I'd still rather shoot sunsets.sunrises 
> with Velvia.
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >Subject: Re: OT Film
> >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:57:04 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Me too, Godfrey. IMO, the only possible reason to shoot Velvia is it's
> >professed greater resolution and the fact that I have  PS "saturation"
> >and "hue" sliders.
> >Provia and Astia much preferred.
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >
> >--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Derek wrote:
> > >
> > > >> I'm not suggesting that I am looking for the finest grain.  When
> > > did
> > > >> Velvia 100 non-F launch?  I was running my lab until May and at
> > > that
> > > >> point we had heard nothing about it -- was it late summer?  I have
> > > to
> > > >> wonder what the point is of such a film -- they didn't keep dual
> > > >> inventory of Provia 100 F and non-F nor Astia 100 F and non-F.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I think I was handed a bunch of sample rolls of the new Velvia 100
> > >
> > > > (ie not 100F) in either July or August last year.  It was ok, but
> > > > not the same as the Velvia 50.  The saturation was not there,
> > > > especially when shooting sunsets and the dusk sky.
> > > >
> > > > Derek
> > > >
> > >
> > > For me, personally, the hyper-saturated Velvia look is something I
> > > have never liked. It makes the world look like it's all cartoon
> > > colors.
> > >
> > > Godfrey
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >__
> >Do You Yahoo!?
> >Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> >http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> 
> 

Re: Tel Aviv

[Lon Williamson]

I agree with Frank.  A few previous posts referenced "trite
technique".  I think that can freeze us (group pressure being
applied) from experimenting further.

For example, I used to think that pictures taken deliberately
"unsquare" (ie camera tilted noticably off plumb square) were
trite.  I still think most are.  But I've seen people use the
technique effectively, even though the hit rate might go down.

If you like the effect, Boris, keep experimenting.  Once in a while
you'll snag a really nifty one.  Please yourself.  I've tried this
kind of photo before and I think this beats anything I've done...
but then I ain't no danged good.

-Lo

frank theriault wrote:


On 3/15/06, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi!

I am starting to realize that most of my photography is very static.
Here I've tried to be slightly less static...

http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=12495

Your honest and brutal feedback is as usual sought after and appreciated.



I like it.  I must say, I usually exect "smooth" lines from these
sorts of time exposures.  At first the "jiggly" lines were a bit
off-putting, but the more I look the more I like.

Cool shot!!

cheers,
frank

Re: bad luck and enablement

[Lon Williamson]

I understand this about Macro entirely.  Some people can use flash
and handhold, and that makes sense when trying to "freeze a bumblebee"
or something similar, but if I can slow down, take my time, and use
a tripod, manual focus works far better for me on static subjects.

-Lon

Jack Davis wrote:


I have no personal experience with the A* 200 macro, only the A* 100.
I've, however, read some good reviews.
Personally, I prefer to manually focus when doing macro work. It
tolerates my hyper-selective penchant to fuss with the scene without
fighting me.

Jack

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[Bruce Dayton]

Well framed and captured.  I am wondering a bit about the bokeh -
perhaps that converter does affect it somewhat.  To my eye, it seems
that there is almost a double image to the OOF area and the subject is
just a tad soft.  I'd be real curious to see the difference with and
without the 2X.

For my use, I have a Tokina 2X that I just don't use because there is
too much compromise to the image.

-- 
Bruce


Friday, March 17, 2006, 1:34:26 PM, you wrote:

KW> Should be an interesting spring around here.
KW> Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers working on a
KW> dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new home & moved
KW> in.

KW> The posted image @ 
KW> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
KW> was captured from my bedroom balcony.

KW> * istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 1548
KW> Tripod.
KW> 800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.

KW> Comments of any kind appreciated.

KW> Kenneth Waller 

Re: PESO - Cool Jazz

[Lon Williamson]

Not satisfied with missed focus, Frank is now combining it with
too-slow-shutterspeeds.  Artsy.  Grin.  I like it Frank, but even though
sharpness is a bullshit concept, I do wish the horn player's face
was a tad sharper.  I've taken plenty like this one, myself.

And like you, I prefer to shoot and see what the heck happens rather
than git skeered.

-Lon

frank theriault wrote:


I suppose it's a bit unseemly for me to make comment (or am I making
excuses) about a photo that I'm posting, but I'll do it anyway.

I know this isn't terribly sharp, as it was handheld about about
1/15th or 1/30th, aperture wide-open, and I think I missed the focus a
bit.  The lighting with the spot on Tim the trumpet player was tough. 
Still, there's a dynamic I like about this one.  Not one of my best,

but not one of my worst, either:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4221415&size=lg

I'd be interested in knowing if you think the obvious technical
deficiencies are overcome by the image itself.  Thanks for commenting.

Re: More Kennyboy quotes

[Tom C]

He reminds me of Mafud in many ways.

He's not stupid, but he has a predisposition to making blanket statements 
and often trivializes aspects of a topic that he knows little about or does 
not care to write about.


Tom C.







From: Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: More Kennyboy quotes
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:53:40 -0500

Here's a quote from Ken's filter section.  In fact, it is the
first paragraph:

"The selection of the proper filter is actually far more important than any 
choice of lens or camera."


To be fair, much of what is on his site is interesting.  My take is that
KennyBoy cannot be bothered to write an essay in one or two settings.
The site feels like each paragraph on any page was written two months
later than its preceeding paragraphs, and without reading the precedent,
and authored by someone a little hyperactive.

Hell, he might be a nice guy.  I do like some of his photos.

-Lon

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[Kenneth Waller]

We've had them around our place for years, but never in such a convenient 
location for photography.

You'll be seeing more of these I'm sure.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject: Re: PESO - In my back yard


By the way, I've seen quite a few of these guys at Bloomfield Nature 
Center. I've gotten a couple of halfway decent shots but haven't really 
nailed one. You beat me to it :-).

Paul
-- Original message --
From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Should be an interesting spring around here.
Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers working on 
a

dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new home & moved
in.

The posted image @
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
was captured from my bedroom balcony.

* istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 1548
Tripod.
800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.

Comments of any kind appreciated.

Kenneth Waller

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[Kenneth Waller]

Thanks Paul.

What's posted is full frame.

I haven't used the 2 XL convertor much, but it seem to be quite acceptable 
here.



Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject: Re: PESO - In my back yard



Very nice. It appears to be quite sharp. Is it cropped?
Paul
-- Original message --
From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Should be an interesting spring around here.
Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers working on 
a

dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new home & moved
in.

The posted image @
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
was captured from my bedroom balcony.

* istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 1548
Tripod.
800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.

Comments of any kind appreciated.

Kenneth Waller

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[pnstenquist]

By the way, I've seen quite a few of these guys at Bloomfield Nature Center. 
I've gotten a couple of halfway decent shots but haven't really nailed one. You 
beat me to it :-).
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Should be an interesting spring around here.
> Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers working on a 
> dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new home & moved 
> in.
> 
> The posted image @ 
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> was captured from my bedroom balcony.
> 
> * istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 1548 
> Tripod.
> 800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.
> 
> Comments of any kind appreciated.
> 
> Kenneth Waller 
> 

Re: More Kennyboy quotes

[Lon Williamson]

Here's a quote from Ken's filter section.  In fact, it is the
first paragraph:

"The selection of the proper filter is actually far more important than 
any choice of lens or camera."


To be fair, much of what is on his site is interesting.  My take is that
KennyBoy cannot be bothered to write an essay in one or two settings.
The site feels like each paragraph on any page was written two months
later than its preceeding paragraphs, and without reading the precedent,
and authored by someone a little hyperactive.

Hell, he might be a nice guy.  I do like some of his photos.

-Lon

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[pnstenquist]

Very nice. It appears to be quite sharp. Is it cropped?
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Should be an interesting spring around here.
> Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers working on a 
> dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new home & moved 
> in.
> 
> The posted image @ 
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> was captured from my bedroom balcony.
> 
> * istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 1548 
> Tripod.
> 800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.
> 
> Comments of any kind appreciated.
> 
> Kenneth Waller 
> 

Re: Our tree

[wendy beard]

On 3/17/06, John Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Cool!  Do you get a lot of birds and other creature
> visitors to photograph?
>
> John
>

Don't know yet, though there will probably be deer. There was a
woodpecker in the tree when we first went along to look at the lot
though.
W
--
Wendy Beard
Ottawa
Canada

Re: PESO - In my back yard

[Fernando Terrazzino]

I like it. The only thing that distracts me a little are the out of
focus branches (at least that's what I think it is) but I guess you
didn't have a choice ;o). The branches that are on focus work very for
me as a frame.

On 3/17/06, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Should be an interesting spring around here.
> Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers working on a
> dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new home & moved
> in.
>
> The posted image @
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> was captured from my bedroom balcony.
>
> * istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 1548
> Tripod.
> 800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.
>
> Comments of any kind appreciated.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
>

RE: PESO - In my back yard

[Tom C]

Nice natural composition.  The bird itself seems rather soft.  Sounds like a 
convenient photo "project".




Tom C.







From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: 
Subject: PESO - In my back yard
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:34:26 -0500

Should be an interesting spring around here.
Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers working on a 
dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new home & moved 
in.


The posted image @ 
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

was captured from my bedroom balcony.

* istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 1548 
Tripod.

800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.

Comments of any kind appreciated.

Kenneth Waller

Re: OT Film

[Tom C]

Pure heresy... that's what it is! Oh the agony of it all :-)

Velvia was never meant to be a general purpose film for all subject types. 
It does work well with many nature subjects, landscapes, when there's "good 
light".  I still contend the results are more real looking in those contexts 
than the drab washed out Kodachrome look which brings truthfulness to the 
expression "the picture just doesn't do it justice".


Provia's all around a good film.  I'd still rather shoot sunsets.sunrises 
with Velvia.



Tom C.







From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT Film
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:57:04 -0800 (PST)

Me too, Godfrey. IMO, the only possible reason to shoot Velvia is it's
professed greater resolution and the fact that I have  PS "saturation"
and "hue" sliders.
Provia and Astia much preferred.

Jack


--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Derek wrote:
>
> >> I'm not suggesting that I am looking for the finest grain.  When
> did
> >> Velvia 100 non-F launch?  I was running my lab until May and at
> that
> >> point we had heard nothing about it -- was it late summer?  I have
> to
> >> wonder what the point is of such a film -- they didn't keep dual
> >> inventory of Provia 100 F and non-F nor Astia 100 F and non-F.
> >>
> >
> > I think I was handed a bunch of sample rolls of the new Velvia 100
>
> > (ie not 100F) in either July or August last year.  It was ok, but
> > not the same as the Velvia 50.  The saturation was not there,
> > especially when shooting sunsets and the dusk sky.
> >
> > Derek
> >
>
> For me, personally, the hyper-saturated Velvia look is something I
> have never liked. It makes the world look like it's all cartoon
> colors.
>
> Godfrey
>
>


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PESO - In my back yard

[Kenneth Waller]

Should be an interesting spring around here.
Came home one day & found a couple of Red Bellied Woodpeckers working on a 
dead tree in my backyard. They eventually finished their new home & moved 
in.


The posted image @ 
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

was captured from my bedroom balcony.

* istD, 600mm FA with 2.0XL convertor, Kirk King Cobra head on Gitzo 1548 
Tripod.

800 ISO, f8.0 @1/1000 sec.

Comments of any kind appreciated.

Kenneth Waller 

Pong

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Got it, sent it back.

G

On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


Had some problems with PDML and my mail for a few days.  Seeing if I
can post to the list.

--
Bruce

Re: Ping

[Scott Loveless]

ACK

On 3/17/06, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Had some problems with PDML and my mail for a few days.  Seeing if I
> can post to the list.
>
> --
> Bruce
>
>


--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman

Ping

[Bruce Dayton]

Had some problems with PDML and my mail for a few days.  Seeing if I
can post to the list.

-- 
Bruce

Re: OT Film

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Adam Maas wrote:


I can't find a good comparison online apart from Ken Rockwell's.


Don't make me go to his site, I'm begging you.

What I still don't get is why they'd opt to create a second Velvia 100 
rather than keeping the 50 in the lineup.  Maybe it's like the New 
Improved Tri-X -- it was "improved" to save production costs.


-Aaron

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:


In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98
Honda Civic  in a Ferrari.


HAR!

-Aaron

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[Scott Loveless]

Bad analogy.  The civic was most likely reliable.

On 3/17/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98
> Honda Civic  in a Ferrari.
>
> :)
>
> On 3/17/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Cotty wrote:
> >
> > > It was only a matter of time..
> > > 
> >
> > Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware
> > four years ago when I was at Apple.
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Juan Buhler
> Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
> Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
>
>


--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

--
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Re: Re: OT Film

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Aaron Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/03/17 Fri PM 06:25:00 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: OT Film
> 
> _Velvia_ 100F is lower saturation?
> 
> Not Provia, not Astia -- they are both lower saturation.
> 
> When did Fuji introduce a non-F Velvia 100?
> 
> -Aaron

Last year.  It's been a bugger to find until recently.  Now all film is a 
bugger to find.
8-)))
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subj:  Re: OT Film
> Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:38 pm
> Size:  1K
> To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> 
> Saturation. 100F is much lower saturation than 50. Velvia 100 (not F) is 
> fairly close to 50, but a fair number of people don't like it as much.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> > While I sympathize with people who've had their favorite films 
> > discontinued, I have to wonder what Velvia 50 has to offer that Velvia 100F 
> > does not.  If anything, the 100F has a finer grain than the 50, and is 
> > close if not identical in almost every way, except it renders skin tones 
> > better.
> > 
> > -Aaron
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > 
> > From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derek)
> > Subj:  Re: OT Film
> > Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:44 am
> > Size:  718 bytes
> > To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > 
> > I heard a rumor from a couple of professional photographers, who work in 
> > the LA area and exclusively shoot Velvia 50,  that Fuji is reconsidering 
> > their decision to discontinue Velvia 50 . . .
> > 
> > Derek
> > 
> >  -- Original message --
> > From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> >>For those who like their eyeballs sunny side up,  www.7dayshop.com is 
> >>advertising large stocks of fresh (and last ever) Velvia 50.  If you can't 
> >>order 
> >>(they only deliver to the UK) I'm happy to be an intermediary.
> >>
> >>mike
> >>
> >>
> >>-
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> > 
> 
> 


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RE: Pixelated Once Again

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Hi Juan ... for months I have been trying to balance the 
> universe with no luck.  It's good to know that the istDS can 

One of the guys in my office has been reading a technical manual all week
entitled 'Optimizing Universes'*. I've asked him to rearrange this one so I
get more sex.

Bob

*Not as exciting as it sounds. Boring computer stuff.

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[Juan Buhler]

In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98
Honda Civic  in a Ferrari.

:)

On 3/17/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Cotty wrote:
>
> > It was only a matter of time..
> > 
>
> Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware
> four years ago when I was at Apple.
>
> Godfrey
>
>


--
Juan Buhler
Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com

Re: OT Film

[Jack Davis]

Me too, Godfrey. IMO, the only possible reason to shoot Velvia is it's
professed greater resolution and the fact that I have  PS "saturation"
and "hue" sliders.
Provia and Astia much preferred.

Jack


--- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Derek wrote:
> 
> >> I'm not suggesting that I am looking for the finest grain.  When
> did
> >> Velvia 100 non-F launch?  I was running my lab until May and at
> that
> >> point we had heard nothing about it -- was it late summer?  I have
> to
> >> wonder what the point is of such a film -- they didn't keep dual
> >> inventory of Provia 100 F and non-F nor Astia 100 F and non-F.
> >>
> >
> > I think I was handed a bunch of sample rolls of the new Velvia 100 
> 
> > (ie not 100F) in either July or August last year.  It was ok, but  
> > not the same as the Velvia 50.  The saturation was not there,  
> > especially when shooting sunsets and the dusk sky.
> >
> > Derek
> >
> 
> For me, personally, the hyper-saturated Velvia look is something I  
> have never liked. It makes the world look like it's all cartoon
> colors.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 


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Re: ACDSee Pro - anyone using it?

[Lon Williamson]

I have Picture Window Pro, and have run it a few times.
I think had I stumbled onto it before photoshop, I'd be
using it happily.  But I'm so USED to layers, and PWP ain't
got 'em.  And right now I don't want to learn another editing
program well.  Norman Koren (spelling on last name?) has a web
site that argues in favor of Picture Window Pro.  Those of you
interested in a 16bit IccAware editor aimed at photographers
might want to peruse his site as well as the PWP site.

All my spare time right now is squarely centered on the new
OptioSV I purchased.  Learning to use this little puppy effectively
is gonna take a long long long time.  And, I think, worthwhile time.

-Lon

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

From the PWP site:


Picture Window Pro is an extremely powerful image editor 
that has every feature serious photographers require. Among them, 


Full support for ICC color management.
 
Full support for 48-bit color and 16-bit B&W files. 
This allows repetitive edits with no loss of quality. 

Outstanding masking capabilities for adjusting portions 
of an image, including creating masks based on image properties
. 
A wide array of geometrical transformations, including resizing, 
cropping, rotation, warping, perspective correction (equivalent 
to lens tilt), lens distortion (barrel and pincushion) correction, and 
lateral chromatic aberration (color fringing) correction. 


http://www.normankoren.com/PWP_intro.html


Shel

Re: OT Film

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Derek wrote:


I'm not suggesting that I am looking for the finest grain.  When did
Velvia 100 non-F launch?  I was running my lab until May and at that
point we had heard nothing about it -- was it late summer?  I have to
wonder what the point is of such a film -- they didn't keep dual
inventory of Provia 100 F and non-F nor Astia 100 F and non-F.



I think I was handed a bunch of sample rolls of the new Velvia 100  
(ie not 100F) in either July or August last year.  It was ok, but  
not the same as the Velvia 50.  The saturation was not there,  
especially when shooting sunsets and the dusk sky.


Derek



For me, personally, the hyper-saturated Velvia look is something I  
have never liked. It makes the world look like it's all cartoon colors.


Godfrey

Re: OT Film

[Adam Maas]

Aaron Reynolds wrote:


On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

If you want no grain, shoot Astia (RMS 7, finest grain slide film). 
Grain-wise Velvia 50 and Velvia 100F are nearly indistinguishable as 
far as I can tell (RMS 8 vs 9). Note that Velvia 100 (not F) is also 
RMS 8.


But I like grain. Which is why I shoot Tri-X pushed to 1600+.



I shoot a lot of Delta 3200, so I see you there.

I'm not suggesting that I am looking for the finest grain.  When did 
Velvia 100 non-F launch?  I was running my lab until May and at that 
point we had heard nothing about it -- was it late summer?  I have to 
wonder what the point is of such a film -- they didn't keep dual 
inventory of Provia 100 F and non-F nor Astia 100 F and non-F.


Annouced June-ish, started showing up in August/September. Dual lines 
happened because 50 was simply THE standard landscape emulsion for so long.




My own tests comparing Velvia 100F to old Velvia 50 didn't yield a 
significant difference in contrast or saturation, though they were 
checker-chart and skin tone tests under sunlight and strobe rather than 
real-world images (mostly done to check comparative processing times -- 
E-6 is pretty flaky as a standard these days, with every manufacturer's 
own E-6 equivalent seemingly designed to make the other guy's film look 
bad -- and I'm going from memory, but I think I ran the 100F a little 
longer in the colour developer than the 50).  Is there perhaps an online 
comparison that someone has done?


-Aaron


I'm surprised you didn't see a difference, but it could be the subjects 
you checked. 100F is distinctly less saturated than 100 or 50 (This is 
the reason they introduced 100, because 100F wasn't saturated enough, 
especially in the yellows). 100F also produces more accurate colours.


I can't find a good comparison online apart from Ken Rockwell's.

-Adam

Re: OT - Treo 650 babble

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:02 PM, John Francis wrote:


mVoice

A big "don't care" for me.


I find this to be invaluable when I'm on a walk and want to record  
some thoughts on a project I'm working on. Much better than trying to  
write stuff down. I can expound at length on something and then  
listen to myself to get the feel of it when I'm back at my desk.  
Found it very helpful as I worked on the "Ramsey" exhibit.



Also found a small adapter that allow you to plug in a 3.5mm stereo
mini-jack to the Treo's 2.5mm stereo mini-jack audio port. The one
from PalmOne is large and awkward to use.

Radio Shack can be your friend.  At least you don't need an expensive
proprietary headphone adapter like you do for Sony/Ericsson phones.


Yes, I could have made one from components. The one I bought was a  
couple dollars more than the price of components and is better  
finished than what I could have made. Cost me $7 total, including  
shipping. No brainer... why waste time building stuff when it's  
already made for you?


Godfrey

Re: OT Film

[Derek]

> I'm not suggesting that I am looking for the finest grain.  When did 
> Velvia 100 non-F launch?  I was running my lab until May and at that 
> point we had heard nothing about it -- was it late summer?  I have to 
> wonder what the point is of such a film -- they didn't keep dual 
> inventory of Provia 100 F and non-F nor Astia 100 F and non-F.
> 

I think I was handed a bunch of sample rolls of the new Velvia 100 (ie not 
100F) in either July or August last year.  It was ok, but not the same as the 
Velvia 50.  The saturation was not there, especially when shooting sunsets and 
the dusk sky.

Derek

Re: OT - Treo 650 babble

[John Francis]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:00:03AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> Speaking of the Treo 650, couple of software apps I've gotten for  
> mine that prove to be quite useful:
> ---
> mVoice - voice recorder software. Saves direct to your SD card in WAV  
> format, easy to manipulate and use voice notes with it.

A big "don't care" for me.

> AcidImage - JPEG viewer software. Zoom, rotate, slide shows, etc. FAR  
> far better than the built in picture viewer software. Can handle a 6M  
> or 10M JPEG file very very quickly. (No RAW support, though.)

I've got a similar app on my "real" Pocket PC.  But I don't care how
well it can view RAW files (yet) because I don't have compatible media
between any camera and Pocket PC.  Maybe once I get a camera that uses
SD I'll be a little more interested in that.  There again, I'd really
like a 640x480 display for looking at images.
 
> SnapperMail - better email client than the supplied VersaMail.

Again, a "don't care" application
 
> FileZ - simple file browser utility to see and manipulate explicitly  
> what you have stored on the Treo.

Here, naturally, a 700w looks just like the Windows PC I'm familiar with.
 
> Foto Timer - interesting timing application with audio assistance.  
> You can set it to run for 30 seconds with a two second beep, etc.  
> Useful if you're making long exposure timings, processing film, etc.

I'm sure there are apps like this for just about any PDA.
 
> Missing Sync on Mac OS X is FAR FAR better than the Palm Desktop  
> software. Use it with the iSync conduit and all your iCal  
> appointments and To Dos, your Address Book contacts are integrated  
> and synchronized. Memos you write are saved in Missing Sync's Memo  
> Pad, and can be output to text files very easily.

ActiveSync, of course, "Just Works" to do this seamlessly between
your Pocket PC and the corresponding applications on the desktop.
Plus it offers all sorts of other nice features (including using
your PCs network connection when tethered, rather than wireless).
This is one area where I think Microsoft have the best-in-class app.

The one thing I really like about the PDA/Phone combination is the
no-brainer way of keeping the phone directory synchronised with my
address book.  Apart from that, though, I'm still not convinced
that a single device is any better (for me) than separate devices.

> Also found a small adapter that allow you to plug in a 3.5mm stereo  
> mini-jack to the Treo's 2.5mm stereo mini-jack audio port. The one  
> from PalmOne is large and awkward to use.

Radio Shack can be your friend.  At least you don't need an expensive
proprietary headphone adapter like you do for Sony/Ericsson phones.

Re: OT Film

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 2:29 PM, Derek wrote:

 I think that Velvia 50 is more saturated and has finer grain than 
even the new 100. YMMV.


In terms of grain, Velvia 50 was noticeably grainier than Velvia 100F, 
mostly because the 100F emulsion is a much newer design.


-Aaron

Re: OT Film

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:52 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

If you want no grain, shoot Astia (RMS 7, finest grain slide film). 
Grain-wise Velvia 50 and Velvia 100F are nearly indistinguishable as 
far as I can tell (RMS 8 vs 9). Note that Velvia 100 (not F) is also 
RMS 8.


But I like grain. Which is why I shoot Tri-X pushed to 1600+.


I shoot a lot of Delta 3200, so I see you there.

I'm not suggesting that I am looking for the finest grain.  When did 
Velvia 100 non-F launch?  I was running my lab until May and at that 
point we had heard nothing about it -- was it late summer?  I have to 
wonder what the point is of such a film -- they didn't keep dual 
inventory of Provia 100 F and non-F nor Astia 100 F and non-F.


My own tests comparing Velvia 100F to old Velvia 50 didn't yield a 
significant difference in contrast or saturation, though they were 
checker-chart and skin tone tests under sunlight and strobe rather than 
real-world images (mostly done to check comparative processing times -- 
E-6 is pretty flaky as a standard these days, with every manufacturer's 
own E-6 equivalent seemingly designed to make the other guy's film look 
bad -- and I'm going from memory, but I think I ran the 100F a little 
longer in the colour developer than the 50).  Is there perhaps an 
online comparison that someone has done?


-Aaron

Re: OT Another PS Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 11:41 AM, John Francis wrote:


On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:46:34AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:12 AM, John Francis wrote:


On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:37:55AM -0600, Charles Robinson wrote:

On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:15, John Francis wrote:


Oh, I didn't *pay* for my Treo.  I'm pretty sure I wouldn't
have one if the cost was coming out of my pocket.  After all,
I don't have a Dell Axxim 51 (or whatever model it is) with
that nice 640x480 display  (Treos are square, 240x240).



320x320 on the Treo 650, please.


How interesting.  I wonder whether that was a Microsoft decision
to make the 700w have the same resolution as most of the other new
square-screen phones.


How would the design of the later 700w be affecting the design of the
650 developed a year before?


It wouldn't, silly.   But Microsoft could have decided that they
wanted the 700w to be 240x240 to (as I said) match other smartphones.



Ah, I misunderstood what you meant. So the 700w has less resolution  
than the 650?

That's dumb.

Godfrey

Re: Well here it is.PDML Logo

[David J Brooks]

To late.

I merged the layers.:-)
LOL

DAVE

Quoting Norman Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I would just leave PDML as an acronym, without the explanation. That 
way, you can make up whatever definition you'd like for whomever...

Norm
- Original Message - From: "Dave Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Well here it is.PDML Logo



Well this is something i think is decent enough for a nice logo for a hat.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=view¤t=Logofinalcopy.jpg

I hope i didi a better job at this than my band shots.
But hey, if the collective hates me over this, my cats love me.:-)

Any way, for those that are concerned, please look and if its crap 
let me know, and i'll pass on the choir to someone else.


As far as Frank and GW i'll see what i can do for your your hat requests









Equine Photography in York Region

Re: Digital Plunge!

[Fernando Terrazzino]

On 3/17/06, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just arrived in the mail from another PDMLer, my very
> own ist D!
>
> Unfortunately I'll be at work until 8pm at least, and
> tomorrow is full.  Sunday, though, I'll give it a good
> try-out.  A 16-45 from B&H awaits me at home.
>
> Prepare for lots of questions about digital
> workflow...

Give it a try to Capture One, you can install a demo version ; )

Re: OT Another PS Question

[John Francis]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:46:34AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:12 AM, John Francis wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:37:55AM -0600, Charles Robinson wrote:
> >>On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:15, John Francis wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Oh, I didn't *pay* for my Treo.  I'm pretty sure I wouldn't
> >>>have one if the cost was coming out of my pocket.  After all,
> >>>I don't have a Dell Axxim 51 (or whatever model it is) with
> >>>that nice 640x480 display  (Treos are square, 240x240).
> >>>
> >>
> >>320x320 on the Treo 650, please.
> >
> >How interesting.  I wonder whether that was a Microsoft decision
> >to make the 700w have the same resolution as most of the other new
> >square-screen phones.
> 
> How would the design of the later 700w be affecting the design of the  
> 650 developed a year before?

It wouldn't, silly.   But Microsoft could have decided that they
wanted the 700w to be 240x240 to (as I said) match other smartphones.

Re: OT: need a Cure

[pnstenquist]

I don't have that. I'll have to look for it.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> "Storytellers" - what a great album!
> 
>   -P
> 
> Cotty wrote:
> > On 16/3/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > 
> >> Listening to Willie Nelson tonight. "Stardust," "One More For the Road" 
> >> (with Leon Russell), and "Honeysuckle Rose."
> > 
> > Amen!
> > 
> > Have you got the album with Willie and Johhny Cash together?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >   Cotty
> > 
> > 
> > ___/\__
> > ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> > _
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: OT: need a Cure

[Paul Sorenson]

"Storytellers" - what a great album!

-P

Cotty wrote:

On 16/3/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

Listening to Willie Nelson tonight. "Stardust," "One More For the Road" 
(with Leon Russell), and "Honeysuckle Rose."


Amen!

Have you got the album with Willie and Johhny Cash together?




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: OT Film

[Derek]

I like using Velvia 50 (and the Ilford PAN 50) for long time exposures with a 
polarizer and a graduated filter or two.  I think that Velvia 50 is more 
saturated and has finer grain than even the new 100. YMMV.

Derek

 -- Original message --
From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Using ISO 50 film can make it easier when deliberately wanting long 
> exposures, as in blurred water shots, eliminating the need for an ND filter.
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >Subject: Re: OT Film
> >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:38:40 -0500
> >
> >Saturation. 100F is much lower saturation than 50. Velvia 100 (not F) is 
> >fairly close to 50, but a fair number of people don't like it as much.
> >
> >-Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> >>While I sympathize with people who've had their favorite films 
> >>discontinued, I have to wonder what Velvia 50 has to offer that Velvia 
> >>100F does not.  If anything, the 100F has a finer grain than the 50, and 
> >>is close if not identical in almost every way, except it renders skin 
> >>tones better.
> >>
> >>-Aaron
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>
> >>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derek)
> >>Subj:  Re: OT Film
> >>Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:44 am
> >>Size:  718 bytes
> >>To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> >>
> >>I heard a rumor from a couple of professional photographers, who work in 
> >>the LA area and exclusively shoot Velvia 50,  that Fuji is reconsidering 
> >>their decision to discontinue Velvia 50 . . .
> >>
> >>Derek
> >>
> >>  -- Original message --
> >>From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>>For those who like their eyeballs sunny side up,  www.7dayshop.com is 
> >>>advertising large stocks of fresh (and last ever) Velvia 50.  If you 
> >>>can't order (they only deliver to the UK) I'm happy to be an 
> >>>intermediary.
> >>>
> >>>mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-
> >>>Email sent from www.ntlworld.com
> >>>Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security 
> >>>for more information
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 

Re: OT Film

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

ISO 50 doesn't really net much of an advantage over ISO 100 if you  
want to go to a longer shutter time. I use a B+W type 106 ND filter  
with 6 stops reduction to get longer shutter times for blurring water  
and more aperture control range in sunlight conditions.


Godfrey


Using ISO 50 film can make it easier when deliberately wanting long
exposures, as in blurred water shots, eliminating the need for an  
ND filter.

Re: OT Film

[Tom C]

No... I wasn't actually thinking of it in terms of the tradeoffs.  I was 
only speaking with respect to why I might prefer a 50 speed film over a 100 
speed film. That was the example that lept out at me.


Figure into the equation that in real life I would have probably left my ND 
filter at home or if I had it, it would be too small for the lens I'm 
shooting with.


Tom C.







From: "Aaron Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT Film
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:29:00 -0500

Tom -- you would rather have _more_ grain just to not have to use an ND 
filter?


-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: OT Film
Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:55 pm
Size:  1K
To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net

Using ISO 50 film can make it easier when deliberately wanting long
exposures, as in blurred water shots, eliminating the need for an ND 
filter.


Tom C.






>From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>Subject: Re: OT Film
>Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:38:40 -0500
>
>Saturation. 100F is much lower saturation than 50. Velvia 100 (not F) is
>fairly close to 50, but a fair number of people don't like it as much.
>
>-Adam
>
>
>
>Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>>While I sympathize with people who've had their favorite films
>>discontinued, I have to wonder what Velvia 50 has to offer that Velvia
>>100F does not.  If anything, the 100F has a finer grain than the 50, and
>>is close if not identical in almost every way, except it renders skin
>>tones better.
>>
>>-Aaron
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derek)
>>Subj:  Re: OT Film
>>Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:44 am
>>Size:  718 bytes
>>To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>
>>I heard a rumor from a couple of professional photographers, who work in
>>the LA area and exclusively shoot Velvia 50,  that Fuji is reconsidering
>>their decision to discontinue Velvia 50 . . .
>>
>>Derek
>>
>>  -- Original message --
>>From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>>For those who like their eyeballs sunny side up,  www.7dayshop.com is
>>>advertising large stocks of fresh (and last ever) Velvia 50.  If you
>>>can't order (they only deliver to the UK) I'm happy to be an
>>>intermediary.
>>>
>>>mike
>>>
>>>
>>>-
>>>Email sent from www.ntlworld.com
>>>Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security
>>>for more information
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: OT - So quiet in here

[Adam Maas]

Except for the fact that scanning the neg and editing typically gives 
FAR better results than scanning a print. Prints typically result in 
somewhat poor images without much work.


But I print digitally too. A nice matte fibre print is much less hassle 
that way (cheaper too). No 1hr washes.


-Adam



graywolf wrote:
No, no, if you shoot B&W you make a great darkroom print then scan that 
for web images. If you are going to scan the negative and make digital 
prints you lose the benefits of the analog process and might as well 
start with a digital image in the first place.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Fernando Terrazzino wrote:


On 3/16/06, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You don't know what your missing. Shoot B&W. Blood will flow like you
have never felt it.

Dave, listeining to Gentle Giant, Brooks




Well, the thing is that I know for sure I'll get "hooked" if I start
shooting B&W, and then I'll have to scan, get a good negative scaner,
even maybe I'll try to setup a darkroom (I don't if you still can
easily get chemicals, equipment), buy books, at some point I'll fed up
with the whole process and I'll say: Fernando, why don't you shoot
digital and try to fake the looks in PS? So, I'm gonna take the
shortcut...

PS: You see what I mean when I say that I am lazy... ;o)

Re: OT - Treo 650 babble

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Speaking of the Treo 650, couple of software apps I've gotten for  
mine that prove to be quite useful:

---
mVoice - voice recorder software. Saves direct to your SD card in WAV  
format, easy to manipulate and use voice notes with it.


AcidImage - JPEG viewer software. Zoom, rotate, slide shows, etc. FAR  
far better than the built in picture viewer software. Can handle a 6M  
or 10M JPEG file very very quickly. (No RAW support, though.)


SnapperMail - better email client than the supplied VersaMail.

FileZ - simple file browser utility to see and manipulate explicitly  
what you have stored on the Treo.


Foto Timer - interesting timing application with audio assistance.  
You can set it to run for 30 seconds with a two second beep, etc.  
Useful if you're making long exposure timings, processing film, etc.


Missing Sync on Mac OS X is FAR FAR better than the Palm Desktop  
software. Use it with the iSync conduit and all your iCal  
appointments and To Dos, your Address Book contacts are integrated  
and synchronized. Memos you write are saved in Missing Sync's Memo  
Pad, and can be output to text files very easily.


Also found a small adapter that allow you to plug in a 3.5mm stereo  
mini-jack to the Treo's 2.5mm stereo mini-jack audio port. The one  
from PalmOne is large and awkward to use.


Godfrey

Re: OT Film

[Adam Maas]

If you want no grain, shoot Astia (RMS 7, finest grain slide film). 
Grain-wise Velvia 50 and Velvia 100F are nearly indistinguishable as far 
as I can tell (RMS 8 vs 9). Note that Velvia 100 (not F) is also RMS 8.


But I like grain. Which is why I shoot Tri-X pushed to 1600+.

-Adam




Aaron Reynolds wrote:

Tom -- you would rather have _more_ grain just to not have to use an ND filter?

-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: OT Film
Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:55 pm
Size:  1K
To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net

Using ISO 50 film can make it easier when deliberately wanting long 
exposures, as in blurred water shots, eliminating the need for an ND filter.


Tom C.








From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT Film
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:38:40 -0500

Saturation. 100F is much lower saturation than 50. Velvia 100 (not F) is 
fairly close to 50, but a fair number of people don't like it as much.


-Adam



Aaron Reynolds wrote:

While I sympathize with people who've had their favorite films 
discontinued, I have to wonder what Velvia 50 has to offer that Velvia 
100F does not.  If anything, the 100F has a finer grain than the 50, and 
is close if not identical in almost every way, except it renders skin 
tones better.


-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derek)
Subj:  Re: OT Film
Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:44 am
Size:  718 bytes
To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net

I heard a rumor from a couple of professional photographers, who work in 
the LA area and exclusively shoot Velvia 50,  that Fuji is reconsidering 
their decision to discontinue Velvia 50 . . .


Derek

-- Original message --
From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

For those who like their eyeballs sunny side up,  www.7dayshop.com is 
advertising large stocks of fresh (and last ever) Velvia 50.  If you 
can't order (they only deliver to the UK) I'm happy to be an 
intermediary.


mike


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WTB - dead EOS

[Bob Shell]

I need a dead EOS body.  Actually what I need is the metal bayonet  
ring from the body and the pin that locks a lens on.  Guess it could  
come from a messed up extension tube or teleconverter as well.   
Anyone here have such a beast?


Bob

Re: OT Film

[Adam Maas]

Velvia 100 was introduced last summer as the replacement for Velvia 50.

Velvia 100F is very much less saturated than Velvia 50 or 100. It's not 
_low_ saturation like Provia or Astia, but it's closer to Provia 100F 
than it is to Velvia 50 when it comes to saturation.


-Adam



Aaron Reynolds wrote:

_Velvia_ 100F is lower saturation?

Not Provia, not Astia -- they are both lower saturation.

When did Fuji introduce a non-F Velvia 100?

-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: OT Film
Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:38 pm
Size:  1K
To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net

Saturation. 100F is much lower saturation than 50. Velvia 100 (not F) is 
fairly close to 50, but a fair number of people don't like it as much.


-Adam



Aaron Reynolds wrote:


While I sympathize with people who've had their favorite films discontinued, I 
have to wonder what Velvia 50 has to offer that Velvia 100F does not.  If 
anything, the 100F has a finer grain than the 50, and is close if not identical 
in almost every way, except it renders skin tones better.

-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derek)
Subj:  Re: OT Film
Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:44 am
Size:  718 bytes
To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net

I heard a rumor from a couple of professional photographers, who work in the LA 
area and exclusively shoot Velvia 50,  that Fuji is reconsidering their 
decision to discontinue Velvia 50 . . .

Derek

-- Original message --
From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

For those who like their eyeballs sunny side up,  www.7dayshop.com is 
advertising large stocks of fresh (and last ever) Velvia 50.  If you can't order 
(they only deliver to the UK) I'm happy to be an intermediary.


mike


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Re: OT Another PS Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:12 AM, John Francis wrote:


On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:37:55AM -0600, Charles Robinson wrote:

On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:15, John Francis wrote:


Oh, I didn't *pay* for my Treo.  I'm pretty sure I wouldn't
have one if the cost was coming out of my pocket.  After all,
I don't have a Dell Axxim 51 (or whatever model it is) with
that nice 640x480 display  (Treos are square, 240x240).



320x320 on the Treo 650, please.


How interesting.  I wonder whether that was a Microsoft decision
to make the 700w have the same resolution as most of the other new
square-screen phones.


How would the design of the later 700w be affecting the design of the  
650 developed a year before?

Re: istDS Questions

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Guides, you mean.

Click on "Guide display" and you'll get a pretty little picture on  
the LCD every time you change the exposure mode selector setting,  
telling you what mode you just clicked into as well as ISO and drive  
mode. I leave it off.


The firmware does not affect the hardware of the IO bus. I've found  
no difference in write speed with v2.0, and I know my fast cards are  
faster than the DS bus will allow.


Godfrey

On Mar 17, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


As it's been a while since I've used the istDS, and the firmware on my
current camera has been upgraded to v2.0, there are a few questions  
about

settings that I may have.

The first is "Grids."  This is something that wasn't available with  
the
earlier firmware.  I ticked the box for Grids when setting up the  
menus,
but have yet to see grids of any sort appear anywhere.  What  
exactly is

"grids" and how are they activated, used, or seen?

Does v2.0 of the firmware allow for a faster write speed, one that is
comparable to the DS2?

More questions later.


Shel

Re: OT - So quiet in here

[graywolf]

No, no, if you shoot B&W you make a great darkroom print then scan that 
for web images. If you are going to scan the negative and make digital 
prints you lose the benefits of the analog process and might as well 
start with a digital image in the first place.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Fernando Terrazzino wrote:

On 3/16/06, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You don't know what your missing. Shoot B&W. Blood will flow like you
have never felt it.

Dave, listeining to Gentle Giant, Brooks



Well, the thing is that I know for sure I'll get "hooked" if I start
shooting B&W, and then I'll have to scan, get a good negative scaner,
even maybe I'll try to setup a darkroom (I don't if you still can
easily get chemicals, equipment), buy books, at some point I'll fed up
with the whole process and I'll say: Fernando, why don't you shoot
digital and try to fake the looks in PS? So, I'm gonna take the
shortcut...

PS: You see what I mean when I say that I am lazy... ;o)

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Cotty wrote:


It was only a matter of time..



Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware  
four years ago when I was at Apple.


Godfrey

Re: OT - So quiet in here

[Fernando Terrazzino]

> Who does shoot and scan B&W, pretty much exclusively these days.

I know you do, Adam, and I like the results (always checking your
flickr acount ;-) )

On 3/17/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fernando Terrazzino wrote:
> > On 3/16/06, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>You don't know what your missing. Shoot B&W. Blood will flow like you
> >>have never felt it.
> >>
> >>Dave, listeining to Gentle Giant, Brooks
> >
> >
> > Well, the thing is that I know for sure I'll get "hooked" if I start
> > shooting B&W, and then I'll have to scan, get a good negative scaner,
> > even maybe I'll try to setup a darkroom (I don't if you still can
> > easily get chemicals, equipment), buy books, at some point I'll fed up
> > with the whole process and I'll say: Fernando, why don't you shoot
> > digital and try to fake the looks in PS? So, I'm gonna take the
> > shortcut...
> >
> > PS: You see what I mean when I say that I am lazy... ;o)
>
>
> Getting chemicals and equipement around here in Toronto is simple. I
> payed about $85 for my 6x6 enlarger, with lens, and most of the rest
> came in a kit henry's sells for about $60-70.
>
> -Adam
> Who does shoot and scan B&W, pretty much exclusively these days.
>
>

Re: OT Film

[Aaron Reynolds]

Tom -- you would rather have _more_ grain just to not have to use an ND filter?

-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: OT Film
Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:55 pm
Size:  1K
To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net

Using ISO 50 film can make it easier when deliberately wanting long 
exposures, as in blurred water shots, eliminating the need for an ND filter.

Tom C.






>From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>Subject: Re: OT Film
>Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:38:40 -0500
>
>Saturation. 100F is much lower saturation than 50. Velvia 100 (not F) is 
>fairly close to 50, but a fair number of people don't like it as much.
>
>-Adam
>
>
>
>Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>>While I sympathize with people who've had their favorite films 
>>discontinued, I have to wonder what Velvia 50 has to offer that Velvia 
>>100F does not.  If anything, the 100F has a finer grain than the 50, and 
>>is close if not identical in almost every way, except it renders skin 
>>tones better.
>>
>>-Aaron
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derek)
>>Subj:  Re: OT Film
>>Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:44 am
>>Size:  718 bytes
>>To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>
>>I heard a rumor from a couple of professional photographers, who work in 
>>the LA area and exclusively shoot Velvia 50,  that Fuji is reconsidering 
>>their decision to discontinue Velvia 50 . . .
>>
>>Derek
>>
>>  -- Original message --
>>From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>>For those who like their eyeballs sunny side up,  www.7dayshop.com is 
>>>advertising large stocks of fresh (and last ever) Velvia 50.  If you 
>>>can't order (they only deliver to the UK) I'm happy to be an 
>>>intermediary.
>>>
>>>mike
>>>
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Re: PESO- Sunworshipper

[Kenneth Waller]

Looks fine on my calibrated monitor.
I would like to see the face also, but still a nice cat capture.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: PESO- Sunworshipper



No taboo as far as I'm concerned.

I like the colouring - perhaps slightly underexposed but that could be
my monitor.  However, I would have liked it more if the face was
visible  (probably, like a typical cat, it turned away just as you
pressed the shutter)

Cheers,

Brian

+
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
--



Quoting Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


I have heard about a cat taboo??? Hope it's not still in effect
:>)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/SunWorshiper.jpg

Walt

Re: OT Film

[Aaron Reynolds]

_Velvia_ 100F is lower saturation?

Not Provia, not Astia -- they are both lower saturation.

When did Fuji introduce a non-F Velvia 100?

-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: OT Film
Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:38 pm
Size:  1K
To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net

Saturation. 100F is much lower saturation than 50. Velvia 100 (not F) is 
fairly close to 50, but a fair number of people don't like it as much.

-Adam



Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> While I sympathize with people who've had their favorite films discontinued, 
> I have to wonder what Velvia 50 has to offer that Velvia 100F does not.  If 
> anything, the 100F has a finer grain than the 50, and is close if not 
> identical in almost every way, except it renders skin tones better.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derek)
> Subj:  Re: OT Film
> Date:  Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:44 am
> Size:  718 bytes
> To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> 
> I heard a rumor from a couple of professional photographers, who work in the 
> LA area and exclusively shoot Velvia 50,  that Fuji is reconsidering their 
> decision to discontinue Velvia 50 . . .
> 
> Derek
> 
>  -- Original message --
> From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>>For those who like their eyeballs sunny side up,  www.7dayshop.com is 
>>advertising large stocks of fresh (and last ever) Velvia 50.  If you can't 
>>order 
>>(they only deliver to the UK) I'm happy to be an intermediary.
>>
>>mike
>>
>>
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Re: Well here it is.PDML Logo

[David J Brooks]

Picked that out already John.

I have two versions on the mac and ssent the wrong one.

Always pays to have fresh eyes look at things.

Thanks

Dave

Quoting John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 08:34:17AM +, mike wilson wrote:

>
> Well this is something i think is decent enough for a nice logo for a hat.
>
> 
http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=view¤t=Logofinalcopy.jpg


One little nitpick:  according to the official website,
it's "Grandfather", not "Grand Father"






Equine Photography in York Region

Re: Well here it is.PDML Logo

[Norman Baugher]

I would just leave PDML as an acronym, without the explanation. That way, 
you can make up whatever definition you'd like for whomever...

Norm
- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "PDML" 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Well here it is.PDML Logo



Well this is something i think is decent enough for a nice logo for a hat.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=view¤t=Logofinalcopy.jpg

I hope i didi a better job at this than my band shots.
But hey, if the collective hates me over this, my cats love me.:-)

Any way, for those that are concerned, please look and if its crap let me 
know, and i'll pass on the choir to someone else.


As far as Frank and GW i'll see what i can do for your your hat requests

Re: OT Another PS Question

[John Francis]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 11:37:55AM -0600, Charles Robinson wrote:
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:15, John Francis wrote:
> >
> >Oh, I didn't *pay* for my Treo.  I'm pretty sure I wouldn't
> >have one if the cost was coming out of my pocket.  After all,
> >I don't have a Dell Axxim 51 (or whatever model it is) with
> >that nice 640x480 display  (Treos are square, 240x240).
> >
> 
> 320x320 on the Treo 650, please.
 
How interesting.  I wonder whether that was a Microsoft decision
to make the 700w have the same resolution as most of the other new
square-screen phones.

Re: Digital Plunge!

[E.R.N. Reed]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Enjoy your new camera.

Read the book "Real World Camera Raw with Photoshop CS2" by Bruce  
Fraser. It will teach you about RAW workflow better than any series  
of PDML "discussions". 


Yes --
but if you order RWCR instead of purchasing it from a local shop, while 
you wait you might see what you can learn from the white papers on the 
Adobe site.

Here's somewhere to start
http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/ps_pro_primers.html

RE: istDS Questions

[Shel Belinkoff]

I meant "Guides."  Didn't have the camera handy when I wrote that question.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Shel Belinkoff 

> As it's been a while since I've used the istDS, and the firmware on my
> current camera has been upgraded to v2.0, there are a few questions about
> settings that I may have.
>
> The first is "Grids."  This is something that wasn't available with the
> earlier firmware.  I ticked the box for Grids when setting up the menus,
> but have yet to see grids of any sort appear anywhere.  What exactly is
> "grids" and how are they activated, used, or seen?
>
> Does v2.0 of the firmware allow for a faster write speed, one that is
> comparable to the DS2?
>
> More questions later.
>
>
> Shel
>
>

Re: OT - So quiet in here

[Powell Hargrave]

The image titled 'Detemined' on this page is a copy of an 11x14 that has
spent many years on my walls.  It is about 40 years old and still looks fine.
Taken with Pentax S1a and Soligor 200mm lens on Tri-X.
http://members.shaw.ca/hargravep/oly.htm

Powell



At 12:27 AM 17/03/2006 , you wrote:
>
>On Mar 16, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Fernando Terrazzino wrote:
>
>> But know, out of curiosity, Godfrey, do you have a scan of some of
>> this prints that I could see? if not no problem, is just to satisfy
>> the curiosity of someone that have never shot B&W film (and I don't
>> plan to, too lazy for that) and with some time to maybe try to imitate
>> the "looks".
>
>Somewhere I have scans of some prints from 25 years ago, I am not  
>sure if I have any scans of my pictures from 40 years ago. If I pull  
>them out of the archives, I'll scan a couple and post them. Be  
>warned: I don't think my sophistication as a photographer was  
>particularly noteworthy when I was 8-9 years old. ;-)
>
>Godfrey
>

RE: Pixel size

[Jack Davis]

Shel,
Damned if I know!
I suppose it was a fragment of the 645D specs Kodak furnished, but
miss-filed in my 'cache'. Can't find it and the math actually looks as
though it may be limited to 7 microns. IOW, I agree with Patrice.

Jack

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Where did you read this.  Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jack Davis
> 
> > I read that the Pentax 10MP will have a 1.3 conversion factor
> sensor
> > containing 9 micron pixels.
> 
> 
> 





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