Re: The JCO survey
Ken rational arguments have no place in this thread. Get out of here ;-) Dave On 10/22/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every once in a while, I open a post or two of this thread just to see where it's going (I am just curious. I have no classic lenses. The last one I had was M40/2.8 which I parted a few years ago). I always find that the thread is going nowhere. Just circling and circling. I have no idea who is right and who is wrong on their contention, and I am not even interested in knowing. But it seems to be simple. I can understand JCO's sentiment, as a long time user/collector of Pentax gear, that he wants to be able to use most, if not all, of his lenses for the latest DSLR, whether bought new or used, particularly when he thinks that it won't be too big a deal to include an aperture stimulator. This is very understandable and I am sure there are many other Pentax users like him. He started rather innocently, but this quickly turned into a flame war, eventually carrying his initial in the thread title. Every time I see my PDML mail box, The JCO survey subjects occupies huge space. Now, it appears the battle of JCO vs so many others. Some even leave only the naming and parting shots without any relevant argument. By now, under this situation, and the way this battle has been going, everybody is pretty sure that JCO is not going to back down, no matter what. Sometimes, things get too hot and emotional that it appears that people lost the logic and proper rationale. Now I believe it crossed the line of entertainment value and started poisoning the list. Can you not drop this once and for all, and give us more invaluable info? Yes, I learned a lot about this aperture stimulator stuff already, but it did not require hundreds of posts. Now as of midnight EST tonight, could you stop this, everybody declaring the victory? :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Waiting
This is a truly gorgeous picture, IMV. It's well seen, and captures the way children are absolutely perfectly. Whether it's technically perfect doesn't matter one jot or tittle, the shot is all about the moment. For the follow-up picture, I would have preferred a slightly tighter crop on the right, and a little lightening of the shadowed face, but Galia's expression is lovely. Nicely done, Boris. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:04 AM Subject: PESO - Waiting Hi! http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=15453full=1 Once the chocolate was brought we all had a blast ;-). Well, I am continuing experiments with low light photography. Your honest and brutal comments are sought after. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT IBillE7
A little late, but I just installed the final version of IE7 and the PS updates problem is gone. I'm now downloading all the PS updates I've missed. Cheers, Dave On 10/20/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point, I do have the Beta version installed. I'll download the final version tonight and see if the problem is still there. Dave At 08:40 AM 20/10/2006, Bill Owens wrote: Since the final version of IE 7 just became available today, are you sure that wasn't maybe a beta version that caused problems with PS? BTW, I use Elements 5.0, not full PS. I'm really not trying be a JCO, just wondering. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:47 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT IBillE7 Be advised that IE7 causes problems with Photoshop's software update service. The only way to get rid of the problem is to uninstall IE7. Dave On 10/20/06, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just downloaded and installed IE 7. Will let you know in a few days how I like it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- Almost Abandoned
Like the shot Peter! On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:10:02 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote: http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_almostabandoned.html The colors almost look over saturated, probably not 'over the edge' but close to it :-) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: AW: PESO: Fungi on dead wood
Thnaks Jack, Removing that web remains is a good idea, will look into that ... Regards, JvW On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:16:04 -0700 (PDT), Jack Davis wrote: Beautiful. Dark background, consistent rotting wood base and fungi symmetry are great components. Increased DOF might help it for some. I do feel that it is such a pure scene that I'd get rid of the bit of web. -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: JunkEmail: AW: PESO: Fungi on dead wood
Thnaks for the comment Markus, On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 03:03:45 +0200, Markus Maurer wrote: I will be happy if the light on the fungi photos I took today on film with the SFXn will be as nice as in your shot. While I would try to darken the wood a bit against the noise I like the mushrooms despite their softness a lot. I may do that, allthough the shot DOES have a bit too much noise and lacks sharpness as well. The lighting is very nice though ... A few of the newer shots have better noise and sharpness, but not exactly the same soft lighting: http://merlin/gallery/index.php?list=8 I like 'Fungi in pink' most now: http://merlin/gallery/index.php?id=209 Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO Lego brickmania
Thanks for looking. The pano was a quick one, didn't have the monopod and spirit level at hand. Surprisingly the result was ok. My favorite is the second shot... Toine On 10/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really like the Pano. The other image just do anything for me. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO Lego brickmania Visited the indoor LegoWorld show today. A noisy and crowded exhibition of Lego bricks. After the required standard shots of my kids having fun, I decided to have some fun also and tried to capture the crowd and noise: http://leende.net/peso/legoworld_pano.htm http://leende.net/peso/legoworld.htm Comments welcome -- Toine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Shake Reduction Question
On Oct 21, 2006, at 5:34 AM, David Savage wrote: I reckon if the camera was struck by lightening the SR system would go nut's and shoot the sensor out the side of the camera. But then again it might just melt. If your camera were struck by lightning I don't think the state of the SR system would be the first thing on your mind... if indeed you still had a mind! - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Lucas, was:The JCO survey
Graywolf wrote: I understand British build cars with Lucus starters had them up into the 50's grin. Certainly my 1981 Land-Rover had a starting handle and I was pleased to have it (Lucas, Prince of Darkness comments or not!) . Likewise, in my current Defender, I'm delighted I can still have wind up windows, no central locking and not have built in, or be able to specify out, a wide range of expensive and quite unnecessary 'toys'. This will be a problem for me next time around as manufacturers seem obliged to fit loads of buttons and whizzy bits in everything from the basic model up. The same applies to cameras. Most of it you don't need. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
re: Your first camera
It is interesting. In my experience - to women, size matters most. The smaller the better. I have known men to have a similar approach to buying a camera too. I never really cared much about the size of a camera. I don't carry a camera where ever I go. I photograph when, I go out to photograph - not when I'm doing other things. If I do, I have small cameras for such occasions - like a Minox GL. That's probably one explanation for women being less prone to buy a SLR. Do you actually know of any statistics on this matter? I simply love cameras and lenses. Some are just beautiful. I guess I like cameras the same way woman like jewellery. Women buy jewellery - men buy cameras, cell phones, GPS, nice tools, nice knives or guns etc. In Germany they sometimes call a pretty, high quality camera smuckstuck which means an object that makes you look good. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 22. oktober 2006 03:35 Til: pdml@pdml.net Emne: Re: Your first camera Sidebar - It's been interesting to me how many men on this list started young -- given a camera by their father, uncle, neighbor, some older male. Sort of a male thing. Maybe even a male bonding thing. I know in my family, my father gave a 35mm camera to my older brother and not me (got a new one, passed the old one along). Guys are supposed to techie or something, right? Well, those assumptions were definitely prevalent back then. Later when I was going to take a trip to Tahiti in my thirties I got myself a Pentax PS and that was my first real camera. Anyway, I started wondering if that isn't one reason more men than women use SLRs and DSLRs. (I think with PSs the gender percentages are probably about the same.) Guys were handed cameras young. Idle speculation, but interesting. At least to me. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT - Photo cards
This is off topic, but can anyone recommend an affordable site that prints folded photo holiday/greeting cards? I don't know if this fits what you're looking for, but I have an online photo store for my images through Cafe Press: http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto You can make folding cards, postcards, and myriad other items through them, and at decent prices too (all my prices have a little markup on them. Check cafepress.com for the cost if you order them for yourself) John Celio (hopefully no one minds my little shameless self-promotion ;-) ) -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Paul Stenquist wrote: Sorry, but you don't have a clue. I have a lot more than a clue, Paul My family and I have lived with various GM cars over the years, as well as perhaps 30 other vehicles personally. That includes a number of Chevys and Buicks. And for me, a preponderance of foreign iron, including Mercedes, Hondas and Toyotas. The Hondas and Toyotas have out-performed and outlasted any of my other cars, in all respects, without regard to marque. GM's shoddy workmanship and inattention to quality control as a way of automotive life, has lost me as a customer for life. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
And what is Leica doing ? Shel [Original Message] From: J. C. O'Connell Hell, Leica is even now offering mod services to make Older lenses function even BETTER than new, not worse Than new like pentax is doing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Shake Reduction Question
On 10/22/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 21, 2006, at 5:34 AM, David Savage wrote: I reckon if the camera was struck by lightening the SR system would go nut's and shoot the sensor out the side of the camera. But then again it might just melt. If your camera were struck by lightning I don't think the state of the SR system would be the first thing on your mind... if indeed you still had a mind! :-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Another joke? Shel [Original Message] From: J. C. O'Connell Dumb Dumb Dumb. The situation goes BOTH WAYS you twit. Dumb Dumber. Both the DSLR cameras and you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
They're basically putting a bar code on the lens mount that the digital camera can read so it knows what lens is mounted. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0606/06061001leicamdlenses.asp Dave On 10/22/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what is Leica doing ? Shel [Original Message] From: J. C. O'Connell Hell, Leica is even now offering mod services to make Older lenses function even BETTER than new, not worse Than new like pentax is doing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
No they're not. Push the GB and the lens and camera communicate, the aperture is recorded and exposure info is calculated, shutter speed is adjusted. The camera and lens just communicate differently. Plus, by activating the DOF button, the camera provides a read out in the viewfinder of how much over/under the exposure is. That's more than some film bodies delivered. Shel [Original Message] From: J. C. O'Connell The new bodies are IGNORING lens communication Of the K/M lenses. Just because its mechanical Doesn't mean its of no value or meaningless. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Yes, I know that. I was interested in knowing what JCO thought or knew. Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage They're basically putting a bar code on the lens mount that the digital camera can read so it knows what lens is mounted. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0606/06061001leicamdlenses.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Shake Reduction Question
On 21/10/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So basically the sensor is always floating and only shifts when SR is activated. Which is how I thought it might work when the battery life data was mentioned a few months ago. From what I can gather, there's no way to fix the floating assembly other than to activate the motors. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Shake Reduction Question
On 21/10/06, Lawrence Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what JohnCPentax has described (not sure if I understand him correctly), the CCD only moves into position after the shutter release is pressed, and *during* the time when the mirror flips up. But it can move so quickly that it would be in position well before the mirror stops at the up position. I doubt it very much, that wouldn't do much for camera stability. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Look at the JD Power numbers. Toyota and Honda are leaders in quality, but GM is close to the top these days as is Ford. All of the US carmakers outperform the Europeans. It's not opinion. It's fact. On Oct 22, 2006, at 5:11 AM, keith_w wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Sorry, but you don't have a clue. I have a lot more than a clue, Paul My family and I have lived with various GM cars over the years, as well as perhaps 30 other vehicles personally. That includes a number of Chevys and Buicks. And for me, a preponderance of foreign iron, including Mercedes, Hondas and Toyotas. The Hondas and Toyotas have out-performed and outlasted any of my other cars, in all respects, without regard to marque. GM's shoddy workmanship and inattention to quality control as a way of automotive life, has lost me as a customer for life. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Your first camera
On 22/10/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: In my experience - to women, size matters most. The smaller the better. Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Oh. Sorry. Dave On 10/22/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I know that. I was interested in knowing what JCO thought or knew. Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage They're basically putting a bar code on the lens mount that the digital camera can read so it knows what lens is mounted. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0606/06061001leicamdlenses.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Shake Reduction Question
On 10/22/06, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21/10/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So basically the sensor is always floating and only shifts when SR is activated. Which is how I thought it might work when the battery life data was mentioned a few months ago. From what I can gather, there's no way to fix the floating assembly other than to activate the motors. As I thought. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
AW: PESO -- Almost Abandoned
I like the warm yellows and the mood too but the sky is a bit disturbing. greetings Markus -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Oktober 2006 05:39 An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Betreff: Re: PESO -- Almost Abandoned Nice capture. I like the simplicity. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO -- Almost Abandoned This was going to be by PUG entry this month but I had to go out last night and didn't get in till after midnight, and forgot all about it anyway. so here it is: http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_almostabandoned.html No technical info: Just a Pentax Camera and Lens Comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
AW: PESO:Acorn - and greetings to Boris
Hi Brucxe yes, it's the flash that did that. I'm still too lazy to carry more than a monopod on sunday late afternoon walks ;-) thanks for looking and commenting Markus -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Bruce Dayton Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Oktober 2006 07:06 An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Betreff: Re: PESO:Acorn - and greetings to Boris Hello Markus, I like the acorn, but the background has lots of highlights that kind of distract me from the subject. Was this shot with flash? Is that what is causing the wet wood to highlight so? -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, October 21, 2006, 5:54:33 PM, you wrote: MM Hi Boris MM thanks for the greeting first! MM I'm still reading in the background **some** of the discussions but did miss MM PAW and PESO in the last days. MM I have to delete hundreds of unread messages from time to time... MM I'm quite busy taking photos with my old film equipment and always carry a MM camera with me nowadays ;-) MM I see photo postings reappearing now again and I liked your theatre shots. MM The website loaded very slowly for me but otherwise you did fine despite MM your limited equipment (BG). MM greetings MM Markus MM Harvest acorn shot with the ME Super, Pentax AF280T flash, Pentax A50mm MM Macro on Fuji Superia film MM http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5105598size=lg (187KB) Hey Markus... Long time I did not seem to see you here... Unless I am badly off mark here - welcome back! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New photo Website!
When I was at a point where getting on-line sales was my daily goal, I paid an outfit called Overture to put up my search words to assist the shopper in connecting with my stuff. You pay so much per contact and at that time, I think the minimum was, maybe, 8 or 10 cents per hit. I kept it going for a year and a half and recall spending 'prox $300/month my first Christmas season. Sales didn't justify it. Overture changed their name a couple years back and I don't recall to what, but that is the system that surely still exists. Jack --- Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We've just finished totally renovating our photo website. It is now an (almost) fully functional, data base driven, automated, php site! Any one feel like proof reading? :) http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/ If there are any list members that are successfully making money selling nature prints on line, I would very interested to hear how they're getting buyers to their site (and getting them to buy). There are still a few known bugs (like the Next button going to the next photo that it feels like going to, rather than the next photo in the gallery your looking at) but all comments, observations or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Buy Buy, Francis -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: How many people actually wade through the entire manual, except for the anal retentives on this list, that is. What a load of bollocks. So (forget Pentax, K lenses and the rest for now) it's the company's fault that the user can't be arsed to read the manual? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Toine wrote: You probably also want matrix metering with M lenses? Yes, it actually is possible, or at least it was with the film bodies, with the modification Mark Roberts and others have made to their lenses. But, as we have said in a different thread, Pentax won't tell us what/if something has changed in the matrix metering of the DSLRs, so people speculate that this is just another mindless decision to cripple the cameras further. Sorry, to make them cheaper. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Your first camera
In a message dated 10/21/2006 10:09:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe I am helping to break that past trend. Both of my oldest daughters have shown great interest. My oldest has both an MX and *ist film cameras. My next daughter just finished shooting a wedding with me yesterday using one of my *istD's. -- Best regards, Bruce = You probably are. :-) You want your daughters to grow up to be photographers (hobbyist or otherwise)? Hand them a camera young. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, William Robb wrote: I suspect you are pretty close to accurate. I also suspect that Pentax will, if this scenario plays out, make a larger throated mount with the same registration distance to allow adapted K mount lenses to function via a non optical adaptor. Or maybe they will go 2mm longer, who knows? After all, they have to sell lenses (and the customers *must* care about the companies' needs). Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Somebody talk me out of it
No matter what lens you use, shooting with long lenses is difficult. I'm still in the learning phase. It is like going hunting. And hunting is hard. I started with a lens pretty similar to Jens, a Tokina ATX-150-500/5,6. After a while I realised the optical quality was not good enough at the long end. Then I moved on to a Tamron 300/2,8 plus the 1,7x TC. The AF is lightening fast, when refocused. But it does not give accurate auto focus, and what is the point of AF when it's not accurate? So now I am using a K 500/4,5. Alone or with a 1,4x TC (a gentleman on the list is lending me the TC). Jens. I believe your 200-500 is a f:5,6, that's similar to my 150-500. For me, the half step down to f:4,5 was significant improvement concerning manual focus. And to Scott. For me, choosing between the K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5 is a no- brainer. The half step difference is significant. At least in the photographing I do now. My experience is that AF does not make me a better hunter. On the contrary: The sights on the 500mm (combined with a flexible tripod), makes me faster. A few words about flexible tripod: I've also bought a Manfrotto gimbal mount head. I believe that's this money is my best spent money on photo equipment. That's what I call an enablement! It makes the rough framing lightening fast, and fine tuning the composition is just as fast. But the tools are not what make you a good or a bad hunter (assuming the optical quality is acceptable). In most hunting you sit at a post waiting for the birds (or whatever you are hunting) to come. So the trick is being able to predict where the motif will show up, and to find the perfect place to hide. Next is being there at the right time. When you have the bird in sight, then you can work on the framing, exposure, focus and so on. Usually if you have done a good job in front, you have all the time you need, because you have been good at predicting. Predicting where the bird will show up, the angle, the light, the background and so on. About talking you out of it Scott, it all comes down to you. What are your photographic interests? And how much money and time do you want to spend on these interests? About the quality of the suggested lenses: I don't know the 400. And I'm still getting to know the 500, but my experiences so far does not suggest that there is something wrong about it. It's a beast, but beasts can be tamed ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: 22. oktober 2006 03:39 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Somebody talk me out of it I think you meant to say MOVING subjects Are difficult with long lenses without AF and I agree but for non moving subjects, stopped down a little, And reasonably fast long lenses MF is not Difficult at all due to the shallow depth Of field with the lenses wide open. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jens Bladt Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:23 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Somebody talk me out of it Talking you out of this is quite easy, I believe. Long lenses with MF are VERY difficult to use successfully. It's quite hard to get aniting moving or prone to moving (birds, dear, people etc.) in focus with a 400-500mm lens without AF. It willl probably end up sitting on a shelf somewhere. My 200-500mm did. Go get an AF Sigma 170-500mm and an AF body! Of cource, that won't exactly please you wife, would it? :-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Scott Loveless Sendt: 18. oktober 2006 00:44 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Somebody talk me out of it I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5. Primary use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D from time to time. Anyone have any input on image quality? Is either significantly better than the other? And for my wife's peace of mind, would someone mind talking me out of buying one? g Thanks! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: 10/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Your first camera
To me, it is pretty obvious that you are correct. Men are gear heads. It is a part of our identity as men. And being a gear head is also the ticket into the world of male bonding. So if you are a man, and you want to make sure your son becomes a man among men, you give him gear, photo gear and other gear. Thats pretty dumb logic, but I believe that is how it is. Just look at this (mainly) SLR list. How many of the regulars are woman? Not a handful. It does not prove anything, but it is a strong indication. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22. oktober 2006 03:35 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Your first camera Sidebar - It's been interesting to me how many men on this list started young -- given a camera by their father, uncle, neighbor, some older male. Sort of a male thing. Maybe even a male bonding thing. I know in my family, my father gave a 35mm camera to my older brother and not me (got a new one, passed the old one along). Guys are supposed to techie or something, right? Well, those assumptions were definitely prevalent back then. Later when I was going to take a trip to Tahiti in my thirties I got myself a Pentax PS and that was my first real camera. Anyway, I started wondering if that isn't one reason more men than women use SLRs and DSLRs. (I think with PSs the gender percentages are probably about the same.) Guys were handed cameras young. Idle speculation, but interesting. At least to me. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Alien invaders?
Hi, I don't take many low-light photos outdoors, so when things aren't quite right I'm not always sure of the explanation. In this picture there is a string of phantom lights which I assume are a reflection of the real lightbulbs shown: http://www.web-options.com/30470020.jpg Is this likely to be caused by a reflection from the filter in front of the lens? It was taken with a Leica M3, 35/1.4 lens and a UV filter. -- Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Alien invaders?
things aren't quite right I'm not always sure of the explanation. In this picture there is a string of phantom lights which I assume are a reflection of the real lightbulbs shown: http://www.web-options.com/30470020.jpg Is this likely to be caused by a reflection from the filter in front of the lens? Undoubtedly! Mike. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Alien invaders?
On Oct 22, 2006, at 7:42 AM, Bob W wrote: I don't take many low-light photos outdoors, so when things aren't quite right I'm not always sure of the explanation. In this picture there is a string of phantom lights which I assume are a reflection of the real lightbulbs shown: http://www.web-options.com/30470020.jpg Is this likely to be caused by a reflection from the filter in front of the lens? It was taken with a Leica M3, 35/1.4 lens and a UV filter. Yes, ghost reflections off the filter are the culprit here. Although you might consider getting out the Sens-A-Thumb ... Never know when you can hitch a ride. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Your first camera
it is a truism* that historically most artists, sculptors etc. are also men, and men are supposedly more visually-oriented than women. So a non-gearhead explanation could be that men are more likely to want to go out and take pictures. A better way to make your son a man amongst men (assuming that's something to be desired, which I think is highly debatable) is to teach him to like football beer. There are few sadder sights than a cluster of middle-aged men in beige peering longingly into the window of a camera shop. *this is not necessarily a direct result of any genetic differences, but could derive from the greater social power of men historically. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby Sent: 22 October 2006 15:41 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Your first camera To me, it is pretty obvious that you are correct. Men are gear heads. It is a part of our identity as men. And being a gear head is also the ticket into the world of male bonding. So if you are a man, and you want to make sure your son becomes a man among men, you give him gear, photo gear and other gear. Thats pretty dumb logic, but I believe that is how it is. Just look at this (mainly) SLR list. How many of the regulars are woman? Not a handful. It does not prove anything, but it is a strong indication. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Alien invaders?
Sens-A-Thumb? Do you mean the vignetting? That's the lens hood and a wide-open lens. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 22 October 2006 15:57 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Alien invaders? On Oct 22, 2006, at 7:42 AM, Bob W wrote: I don't take many low-light photos outdoors, so when things aren't quite right I'm not always sure of the explanation. In this picture there is a string of phantom lights which I assume are a reflection of the real lightbulbs shown: http://www.web-options.com/30470020.jpg Is this likely to be caused by a reflection from the filter in front of the lens? It was taken with a Leica M3, 35/1.4 lens and a UV filter. Yes, ghost reflections off the filter are the culprit here. Although you might consider getting out the Sens-A-Thumb ... Never know when you can hitch a ride. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
A day late
Got this Saturday, a day late for the November PUG. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5107835 Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Does this involve drilling holes in the lens mount and inserting epoxy in the drilled hole for transmitting the lens aperture? I tried this with a Tmount adapter but failed to invent a construction for the single connector pin which pops out the lens mount when an A lens is set to the A position. If someone has a solution I would love to hear this. Full matrix metering with my 560mm Novoflex would be great. Toine On 10/22/06, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Toine wrote: You probably also want matrix metering with M lenses? Yes, it actually is possible, or at least it was with the film bodies, with the modification Mark Roberts and others have made to their lenses. But, as we have said in a different thread, Pentax won't tell us what/if something has changed in the matrix metering of the DSLRs, so people speculate that this is just another mindless decision to cripple the cameras further. Sorry, to make them cheaper. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
The thought never crossed my mind. I just figured that, since the K/M lenses didn't have the electrical contacts of the A series and later lenses, the multi point metering couldn't be implemented. No speculation on my part - just an acceptance of the situation. While it might have been nice to know how to make the lenses provide multi segment metering, I really didn't care very much to waste time looking for a solution. Others here are so much better at fiddling around with such things. If it were an issue, I'd have just asked the list, and guys like Roberts would probably have an answer. BTW, isn't matrix metering what Nikon calls their system, and doesn't Pentax use the term multi segment metering? Are the two the same, or is there some difference between them? Shel [Original Message] From: Kostas Kavoussanakis You probably also want matrix metering with M lenses? ...But, as we have said in a different thread, Pentax won't tell us what/if something has changed in the matrix metering of the DSLRs, so people speculate that this is just another mindless decision to cripple the cameras further. Sorry, to make them cheaper. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Yes, and there are only two of them in the factory tending the robots. J. C. O'Connell wrote: Do you know what the average hourly Wage of a Chinese factory worker is TODAY? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Your first camera
A better way to make your son a man amongst men (assuming that's something to be desired, which I think is highly debatable) is to teach him to like football beer. And to like cars, don't forget cars. Cars and trucks are what make society go round. It's what makes the universe go round ;-) BTW. Talking cars is important at PDML. It is funny observing the flame wars. When they reach the end, then the threads tend to end up discussing cars. Talking cars is male bonding. You are probably right Bob. Camera gear heads are probably geeks or half men ;-) The thing is. We don't understand it our self. So we believe we do our children a favour making them camera geeks ;-) Note my ironic smilies. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: 22. oktober 2006 17:01 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Your first camera it is a truism* that historically most artists, sculptors etc. are also men, and men are supposedly more visually-oriented than women. So a non-gearhead explanation could be that men are more likely to want to go out and take pictures. A better way to make your son a man amongst men (assuming that's something to be desired, which I think is highly debatable) is to teach him to like football beer. There are few sadder sights than a cluster of middle-aged men in beige peering longingly into the window of a camera shop. *this is not necessarily a direct result of any genetic differences, but could derive from the greater social power of men historically. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby Sent: 22 October 2006 15:41 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Your first camera To me, it is pretty obvious that you are correct. Men are gear heads. It is a part of our identity as men. And being a gear head is also the ticket into the world of male bonding. So if you are a man, and you want to make sure your son becomes a man among men, you give him gear, photo gear and other gear. Thats pretty dumb logic, but I believe that is how it is. Just look at this (mainly) SLR list. How many of the regulars are woman? Not a handful. It does not prove anything, but it is a strong indication. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
They add some barcode type stuff to Allow the lens to communicate more lens Info to the camera automatically everytime You mount the lens. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 5:26 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: The JCO survey And what is Leica doing ? Shel [Original Message] From: J. C. O'Connell Hell, Leica is even now offering mod services to make Older lenses function even BETTER than new, not worse Than new like pentax is doing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
We are not talking about bottom line film Bodies but most DID show over/under exposure. Secondly the stop down method is flawed in That it sucks away meter sensitivity, takes More time, and needs to be done over and over Again everytime the lighting changes, the aperture Setting changes, the varible aperture zoom zoom Setting changes, and the macro magnification changes. All of that is continuously fully automatic with the cam sensor Implementation which is missing on the DSLR with K/M lenses. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 5:44 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: The JCO survey No they're not. Push the GB and the lens and camera communicate, the aperture is recorded and exposure info is calculated, shutter speed is adjusted. The camera and lens just communicate differently. Plus, by activating the DOF button, the camera provides a read out in the viewfinder of how much over/under the exposure is. That's more than some film bodies delivered. Shel [Original Message] From: J. C. O'Connell The new bodies are IGNORING lens communication Of the K/M lenses. Just because its mechanical Doesn't mean its of no value or meaningless. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PSE 5.0 and Adobe RAW
Regardless of the camera WB setting, the Adobe RAW converter shows the WB as shot, and a color temperature of 4800. I find that changing the white balance to whatever the actual conditions were, and setting exposure to 0.00 usually shows the image as I remember it being. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Your first camera
Well, my first camera was given to me by a elderly lady, Mrs. Looney, no less. My second was handed down to me by my Mom as I went off into the Air Force, because she wanted me to send her photos probably. Now, my dad, he did a great job of teaching me how to think poor, only I did not get the part about hoarding my money grin. I am trying to think whether the girls had cameras, I believe most of them did (pink or purple ones), but at 10 or so I did not pay much attention to girls, sorry. In my neighborhood none of the kids had real cameras. Factory workers in the 50's were not particularly well to do. --graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidebar - It's been interesting to me how many men on this list started young -- given a camera by their father, uncle, neighbor, some older male. Sort of a male thing. Maybe even a male bonding thing. I know in my family, my father gave a 35mm camera to my older brother and not me (got a new one, passed the old one along). Guys are supposed to techie or something, right? Well, those assumptions were definitely prevalent back then. Later when I was going to take a trip to Tahiti in my thirties I got myself a Pentax PS and that was my first real camera. Anyway, I started wondering if that isn't one reason more men than women use SLRs and DSLRs. (I think with PSs the gender percentages are probably about the same.) Guys were handed cameras young. Idle speculation, but interesting. At least to me. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Don't forget that JD powers numbers are only for initial Quality which is essentially how well the car is assembled And inspected before it leaves the factory. It has almost Nothing to do with build quality and long term reliablity. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey Look at the JD Power numbers. Toyota and Honda are leaders in quality, but GM is close to the top these days as is Ford. All of the US carmakers outperform the Europeans. It's not opinion. It's fact. On Oct 22, 2006, at 5:11 AM, keith_w wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Sorry, but you don't have a clue. I have a lot more than a clue, Paul My family and I have lived with various GM cars over the years, as well as perhaps 30 other vehicles personally. That includes a number of Chevys and Buicks. And for me, a preponderance of foreign iron, including Mercedes, Hondas and Toyotas. The Hondas and Toyotas have out-performed and outlasted any of my other cars, in all respects, without regard to marque. GM's shoddy workmanship and inattention to quality control as a way of automotive life, has lost me as a customer for life. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Your first camera
Sure, a Nikon in the 70's was as much a man's necklace as a photo tool. Jens Bladt wrote: It is interesting. In my experience - to women, size matters most. The smaller the better. I have known men to have a similar approach to buying a camera too. I never really cared much about the size of a camera. I don't carry a camera where ever I go. I photograph when, I go out to photograph - not when I'm doing other things. If I do, I have small cameras for such occasions - like a Minox GL. That's probably one explanation for women being less prone to buy a SLR. Do you actually know of any statistics on this matter? I simply love cameras and lenses. Some are just beautiful. I guess I like cameras the same way woman like jewellery. Women buy jewellery - men buy cameras, cell phones, GPS, nice tools, nice knives or guns etc. In Germany they sometimes call a pretty, high quality camera smuckstuck which means an object that makes you look good. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 22. oktober 2006 03:35 Til: pdml@pdml.net Emne: Re: Your first camera Sidebar - It's been interesting to me how many men on this list started young -- given a camera by their father, uncle, neighbor, some older male. Sort of a male thing. Maybe even a male bonding thing. I know in my family, my father gave a 35mm camera to my older brother and not me (got a new one, passed the old one along). Guys are supposed to techie or something, right? Well, those assumptions were definitely prevalent back then. Later when I was going to take a trip to Tahiti in my thirties I got myself a Pentax PS and that was my first real camera. Anyway, I started wondering if that isn't one reason more men than women use SLRs and DSLRs. (I think with PSs the gender percentages are probably about the same.) Guys were handed cameras young. Idle speculation, but interesting. At least to me. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
$890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens !
Look at this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290039855648 Two bidders gone into hysteria. I have never seen one sell for more than $400 Before. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey They are offering at least one thing, No new cameras that force you to buy Lenses again you already have because They just killed the features in your's. You are one whiney pig headed fuck aren't you. No one is forcing you to buy new lenses, you pissant little moron. Your old lenses will work just fine on the new cameras, and even if they don't, no one is FORCING you to do anything. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Your first camera
In a message dated 10/22/2006 8:43:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it is a truism* that historically most artists, sculptors etc. are also men, and men are supposedly more visually-oriented than women. So a non-gearhead explanation could be that men are more likely to want to go out and take pictures. == Phsaw, phooey, and crap. Double crap. Culturally over the centuries women were held back from becoming artists, etc. Had to have babies and feed the male hordes, including male artists and sculptors, etc. Their place was in the home, they had smaller brains, they were illogical, all emotional, couldn't manage complicated tasks, understand technical things, etc. For instance, I grew up when there were no women news anchors on TV, and the most available jobs for women were: teacher, teller, stewardress, nurse, and social worker -- the helper fields. It hasn't been all that long since gender prejudices were socially acceptable and active. And in some instances still are, although women have made a lot of progress since the 1960's. And I am still only talking about Western cultures, since those prejudices are still quite active, barring women from jobs, in other cultures. So now that Western women are supposedly liberated and supposedly can hold any job, get back to me in another 200-1,000 years and see if those artist/photographer percentages haven't changed. If you want you daughters to grow up enjoying photography, hand them a camera young. As a female programmer, a very small minority in that field in my age group, I am pretty familiar with gender stereotypes and unconscious assumptions and prejudices. Arts and Crafts, quilting, needlepoint, lace making, sewing, etc. were socially acceptable visual fields for women for centuries. They couldn't lift a brush, not appropriate for most past eras and places, but, boy, they were allowed to lift a needle. Have a Nice Day!, Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey Your argument is not supported by the KM DSLR Users. They claim that BG is no big deal to use And they arent claiming the the KM lenses themselves Are outdated like YOU are. It's nice that I can use my outdated K/M lenses on the new format camera. They are still outdated. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: The JCO survey No, the SLR lenses are a mess of compatibility still (one, two and three cam units as well as the latest ROM units that feature electronic lens/body communication). This is the M lenses, that need a 6bit optical tag to enable certain auto-correction features in the M8. It's essentially a sticker. Glad to see Leica making such a huge investment. Umm, John, if that is the best you can come up with, you pretty much suck. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Spotmatic F and Super Takumars
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Spotmatic F and Super Takumars Listen mr thinks he knows it all, those rubber Grips wear down and get slick while the huge Protrusions in the metal rings we were talking About don't. anybody who slips with those Protuded metal lenses is a limp wristed Wimp. You are both ignorant and a fool. You keep proving it by discussing things you know nothing about. I've never had a rubber focussing grip wear down, I have noticed that at -20F, rubber grips are easier to hold onto and turn compared to knurled metal. I do construction work, I am not a limp wristed little electronics engineer from Florida. Secondly, I have the opposite problem, The heat here in FL, especially in the Summer causes the rubber ones to get Wet and slippery due to perspiration And the metal protruded ones are better For that too. The discussion was about cold weather shooting. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey You cant answer simple questions? Don't you have the mental capacity To do so or what? I'm just seeing if you have the mental capacity to go and fine out something on your own. Apparently, you'd rather whinge and wring your pudgy little hands in despair and do nothing. Since you don't have the mental resources to do a Google search yourself, the FD mount included an A setting on the lens to allow shutter preferred automatic on bodies that were so inclined to provide it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: RE: The JCO survey No they're not. Push the GB and the lens and camera communicate, the aperture is recorded and exposure info is calculated, shutter speed is adjusted. The camera and lens just communicate differently. Plus, by activating the DOF button, the camera provides a read out in the viewfinder of how much over/under the exposure is. That's more than some film bodies delivered. Also, an absolute light value is delivered to the meter. There are fewer mechanical parts contributing to exposure error. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Ah, bullshit, the american and japanese cars are likely built on the same assembly line nowadays. Even as far back as 1980 that was possible, now it is likely. Hey, Joe, is this a toyota or a chevy, which badge do I put on it? -- J. C. O'Connell wrote: Don't forget that JD powers numbers are only for initial Quality which is essentially how well the car is assembled And inspected before it leaves the factory. It has almost Nothing to do with build quality and long term reliablity. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey Look at the JD Power numbers. Toyota and Honda are leaders in quality, but GM is close to the top these days as is Ford. All of the US carmakers outperform the Europeans. It's not opinion. It's fact. On Oct 22, 2006, at 5:11 AM, keith_w wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Sorry, but you don't have a clue. I have a lot more than a clue, Paul My family and I have lived with various GM cars over the years, as well as perhaps 30 other vehicles personally. That includes a number of Chevys and Buicks. And for me, a preponderance of foreign iron, including Mercedes, Hondas and Toyotas. The Hondas and Toyotas have out-performed and outlasted any of my other cars, in all respects, without regard to marque. GM's shoddy workmanship and inattention to quality control as a way of automotive life, has lost me as a customer for life. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey Minolta had a full line of MC/MD Lenses for 15 years after Maxxum Introduction? P.S. and it's a big P.S., Minolta essentially went out Of business recently... So, you are saying that Pentax should risk going out of business to support outdated lenses now. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey You keep making the same dumb contradictory Argument over and over. You claim the Old lenses are outdated due to the newer Lenses automations and then go on To say that the automation the old Lenses have lost doesn't matter. Thats because the old lenses still work, and still work with exposure automation, on the new cameras. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey WRONG. The reasons given most commonly Are cost and desire to sell new replacement Lenes. The fact that the communication Is mechanical is totally unrelated And not the issue at all. It's a very Simple single cam, not a freaking clockwork. If Pentax felt that the thing wan't outdated, it would have migrated to the DSLR mount, no matter what the financial considerations. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO -- Almost Abandoned
The thing about the sky is important; it makes the picture left heavy. Else wise I do like the photo. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22. oktober 2006 03:57 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO -- Almost Abandoned In a message dated 10/21/2006 2:54:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was going to be by PUG entry this month but I had to go out last night and didn't get in till after midnight, and forgot all about it anyway. so here it is: http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_almostabandoned.html No technical info: Just a Pentax Camera and Lens Comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. = That's nice, Peter. I like the colors. Too bad the sky is so white, but it's nice anyway. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - the aperture simulator has left the building
I'm sceptical. I think it is still here. I believe the aperture simulator will haunt us for ever. Remember, the simulator is a, simulator. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- Office friendly picture .-) http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=266137 DagT http://dag.foto.no -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey I don't think quick proper automatic exposure settings Which is what has been disabled with K/M lenses Is something prehistoric. Your ignorance of how things work is showing again. K/M lens use is quick, and gives proper exposure settings. Probably more accurate exposure than was available with the aperture cam controlling things, in fact. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: The JCO survey GM's shoddy workmanship and inattention to quality control as a way of automotive life, has lost me as a customer for life. My history with GM: My parents bought a Corvair. Then they bought a 62 Impalla that had an unrepairable shimmy at highway speeds. In the 80s, my dad decided to try again, and bought a Cutlass with a defective engine. They weren't drilling the pushrod holes straight and they lifters were wearing out prematurely. I bought a Grand Am with a self destructing Quad4. My Isuzu trooper with it's defect plagued GM automatic transmission. Every GM vehicle or parts equipped GM vehicle I have come in contact with has had major problems. They make crap cars. I'll NEVER buy another vehicle from GM. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey Dumb Dumb Dumb. The situation goes BOTH WAYS you twit. The DSLR cameras cant take full advantage of the K/M Lenses capabities either. Yes well, thats a given, it's what you have been whining like a baby about for the past week or so. Get over it, get on with life, buy a Pentax DSLR if you want to use your precious K/M lenses and learn how to use them. Or, cut off your nose to spite your face and buy a Canon. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: The JCO survey Look at the JD Power numbers. Toyota and Honda are leaders in quality, but GM is close to the top these days as is Ford. All of the US carmakers outperform the Europeans. It's not opinion. It's fact. JD Powers is at best an opinion survey. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: The JCO survey Ah, bullshit, the american and japanese cars are likely built on the same assembly line nowadays. Even as far back as 1980 that was possible, now it is likely. Hey, Joe, is this a toyota or a chevy, which badge do I put on it? The ones that pass quality control get the Toyota badge, the ones that don't get the Chevrolet badge. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Your first camera
Historically, most men were allowed to work out of the house. That has little to do with innate ability. Besides real men do not take pictures, they play football, and join the army. -- Bob W wrote: it is a truism* that historically most artists, sculptors etc. are also men, and men are supposedly more visually-oriented than women. So a non-gearhead explanation could be that men are more likely to want to go out and take pictures. A better way to make your son a man amongst men (assuming that's something to be desired, which I think is highly debatable) is to teach him to like football beer. There are few sadder sights than a cluster of middle-aged men in beige peering longingly into the window of a camera shop. *this is not necessarily a direct result of any genetic differences, but could derive from the greater social power of men historically. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby Sent: 22 October 2006 15:41 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Your first camera To me, it is pretty obvious that you are correct. Men are gear heads. It is a part of our identity as men. And being a gear head is also the ticket into the world of male bonding. So if you are a man, and you want to make sure your son becomes a man among men, you give him gear, photo gear and other gear. That’s pretty dumb logic, but I believe that is how it is. Just look at this (mainly) SLR list. How many of the regulars are woman? Not a handful. It does not prove anything, but it is a strong indication. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey You are missing the point. Communication Via any method is better than ZERO. The new bodies are IGNORING lens communication Of the K/M lenses. Just because its mechanical Doesn't mean its of no value or meaningless. John, you've been missing the point for about three years now. The point is, that communication method is considered unimportant enough by the manufacturer that they decided that it wasn't moving into the digital camera era. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Your first camera
Well done. I see both you and Graywolf managed successfully to ignore this part of my email: *this is not necessarily a direct result of any genetic differences, but could derive from the greater social power of men historically. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2006 17:02 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Your first camera In a message dated 10/22/2006 8:43:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it is a truism* that historically most artists, sculptors etc. are also men, and men are supposedly more visually-oriented than women. So a non-gearhead explanation could be that men are more likely to want to go out and take pictures. == Phsaw, phooey, and crap. Double crap. Culturally over the centuries women were held back from becoming artists, etc. Had to have babies and feed the male hordes, including male artists and sculptors, etc. Their place was in the home, they had smaller brains, they were illogical, all emotional, couldn't manage complicated tasks, understand technical things, etc. For instance, I grew up when there were no women news anchors on TV, and the most available jobs for women were: teacher, teller, stewardress, nurse, and social worker -- the helper fields. It hasn't been all that long since gender prejudices were socially acceptable and active. And in some instances still are, although women have made a lot of progress since the 1960's. And I am still only talking about Western cultures, since those prejudices are still quite active, barring women from jobs, in other cultures. So now that Western women are supposedly liberated and supposedly can hold any job, get back to me in another 200-1,000 years and see if those artist/photographer percentages haven't changed. If you want you daughters to grow up enjoying photography, hand them a camera young. As a female programmer, a very small minority in that field in my age group, I am pretty familiar with gender stereotypes and unconscious assumptions and prejudices. Arts and Crafts, quilting, needlepoint, lace making, sewing, etc. were socially acceptable visual fields for women for centuries. They couldn't lift a brush, not appropriate for most past eras and places, but, boy, they were allowed to lift a needle. Have a Nice Day!, Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens !
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens ! Look at this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290039855648 Two bidders gone into hysteria. I have never seen one sell for more than $400 Before. No accounting for lunacy. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Toine wrote: You probably also want matrix metering with M lenses? Yes, it actually is possible, or at least it was with the film bodies, with the modification Mark Roberts and others have made to their lenses. But, as we have said in a different thread, Pentax won't tell us what/if something has changed in the matrix metering of the DSLRs, so people speculate that this is just another mindless decision to cripple the cameras further. Sorry, to make them cheaper. Kostas It's also possible with the D2 hack, where you manually enter focal length and aperture. The K100D and K10D already have half of this implemented for SR. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Actually, that's not the case, typically the co-operation is at the design stage with the vehicles being assembled in seperate factories, although sharing parts (especially engines and trannies) is relatively common. There are a few cases of what you mention, like the Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix, but these are fairly uncommon these days, platform engineering is more common. -Adam graywolf wrote: Ah, bullshit, the american and japanese cars are likely built on the same assembly line nowadays. Even as far back as 1980 that was possible, now it is likely. Hey, Joe, is this a toyota or a chevy, which badge do I put on it? -- J. C. O'Connell wrote: Don't forget that JD powers numbers are only for initial Quality which is essentially how well the car is assembled And inspected before it leaves the factory. It has almost Nothing to do with build quality and long term reliablity. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey Look at the JD Power numbers. Toyota and Honda are leaders in quality, but GM is close to the top these days as is Ford. All of the US carmakers outperform the Europeans. It's not opinion. It's fact. On Oct 22, 2006, at 5:11 AM, keith_w wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Sorry, but you don't have a clue. I have a lot more than a clue, Paul My family and I have lived with various GM cars over the years, as well as perhaps 30 other vehicles personally. That includes a number of Chevys and Buicks. And for me, a preponderance of foreign iron, including Mercedes, Hondas and Toyotas. The Hondas and Toyotas have out-performed and outlasted any of my other cars, in all respects, without regard to marque. GM's shoddy workmanship and inattention to quality control as a way of automotive life, has lost me as a customer for life. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis Subject: Re: The JCO survey Or maybe they will go 2mm longer, who knows? After all, they have to sell lenses (and the customers *must* care about the companies' needs). Doubtful. If they stay with the small sensor size, it makes more sense technically to shorten the registration distance. That 2mm increase in register distance was done for two reasons. One was to make it easier to put in a larger mirror for those very common super telephoto lenses, the other was to ensure that FD lenses were obsoleted. Note that Pentax managed the mirror issue quite well with the LX. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PSE 5.0 and Adobe RAW
On 10/22/06, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regardless of the camera WB setting, the Adobe RAW converter shows the WB as shot, and a color temperature of 4800. I find that changing the white balance to whatever the actual conditions were, and setting exposure to 0.00 usually shows the image as I remember it being. Bill, I've run into similar issues with Photoshop CS2 and the Adobe RAW converter (probably the same version/program for the raw converter). My best guess is that the camera isn't writing the as shot white balance properly. On my DS2, it seems to make the as shot setting equivalent to its auto white balance guess, regardless of how the white balance is set in-camera. I've started ignoring the as shot white balance, and trying to get it as close to what I remember as I can by eye. It's taking a lot of practice... -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
This modification does not work with the DSLR bodies, as has been reported both here and elsewhere in previous discussion. Godfrey On Oct 22, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Toine wrote: Does this involve drilling holes in the lens mount and inserting epoxy in the drilled hole for transmitting the lens aperture? I tried this with a Tmount adapter but failed to invent a construction for the single connector pin which pops out the lens mount when an A lens is set to the A position. If someone has a solution I would love to hear this. Full matrix metering with my 560mm Novoflex would be great. Yes, it actually is possible, or at least it was with the film bodies, with the modification Mark Roberts and others have made to their lenses. But, as we have said in a different thread, Pentax won't tell us what/if something has changed in the matrix metering of the DSLRs, so people speculate that this is just another mindless decision to cripple the cameras further. Sorry, to make them cheaper. You probably also want matrix metering with M lenses? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
I said some ... You have no clue as to how quickly and effortlessly the stop down method works on the Pentax DSLR, nor how accurate it is. In fact, some of us who use the GB technique have found it to be faster than those clunky old film bodies that used AE. IAC, metering is not some mindless technique where a camera is set to auto and just left their to make its own decisions about exposure. In addition, using the K/M lenses on the Pentax DSLR bodies allows for two different metering modes, spot and CW. I don't believe that option was available on very many Pentax film bodies. Hmmm could this be something in favor of the new approach? The point is simple: the older approach had some advantages over what's being done now, and the newer approach has some advantages over the older approach. You pay your money and you make your choice. Neither approach is perfect. Shel [Original Message] From: J. C. O'Connell We are not talking about bottom line film Bodies but most DID show over/under exposure. Secondly the stop down method is flawed in That it sucks away meter sensitivity, takes More time, and needs to be done over and over Again everytime the lighting changes, the aperture Setting changes, the varible aperture zoom zoom Setting changes, and the macro magnification changes. All of that is continuously fully automatic with the cam sensor Implementation which is missing on the DSLR with K/M lenses. [Original Message] From: J. C. O'Connell The new bodies are IGNORING lens communication Of the K/M lenses. Just because its mechanical Doesn't mean its of no value or meaningless. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PSE 5.0 and Adobe RAW
I think this is a deficiency with Camera Raw more than anything else. I do the same thing (using Photoshop CS2 + Camera Raw), although I find that usually exposure needs to be set at around +0.3-0.5 as a baseline for white point, using the DS body. Godfrey On Oct 22, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Bill Owens wrote: Regardless of the camera WB setting, the Adobe RAW converter shows the WB as shot, and a color temperature of 4800. I find that changing the white balance to whatever the actual conditions were, and setting exposure to 0.00 usually shows the image as I remember it being. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
There are a lot of things that are Pentax's fault, but the customer not reading the manual isn't one of them. However most people don't read the manual until they're totally lost, and the D and Ds manuals are poorly enough written to compound the problem. Part of the dictum of sales is know your customer. (By the way, I consider myself one of the anal retentives, in case anyone feels offended). Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: How many people actually wade through the entire manual, except for the anal retentives on this list, that is. What a load of bollocks. So (forget Pentax, K lenses and the rest for now) it's the company's fault that the user can't be arsed to read the manual? Kostas -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Alien invaders?
On Oct 22, 2006, at 8:06 AM, Bob W wrote: Sens-A-Thumb? Do you mean the vignetting? That's the lens hood and a wide-open lens. No no ... LOL! ... just a reference to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy ... alien invaders ... etc. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2
On 07/10/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made this pic last year about this time. This morning I revisited the photo and saw something more, different in it. So, here's the revised edition. http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html A great photo. I really like it. I've been away a while and this makes ploughing through the backlog of emails worth it :-) Eric. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Your first camera
Marnie. I did not write the quoted part, Bob did. Blame him, not me ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22. oktober 2006 18:02 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Your first camera In a message dated 10/22/2006 8:43:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it is a truism* that historically most artists, sculptors etc. are also men, and men are supposedly more visually-oriented than women. So a non-gearhead explanation could be that men are more likely to want to go out and take pictures. == Phsaw, phooey, and crap. Double crap. Culturally over the centuries women were held back from becoming artists, etc. Had to have babies and feed the male hordes, including male artists and sculptors, etc. Their place was in the home, they had smaller brains, they were illogical, all emotional, couldn't manage complicated tasks, understand technical things, etc. For instance, I grew up when there were no women news anchors on TV, and the most available jobs for women were: teacher, teller, stewardress, nurse, and social worker -- the helper fields. It hasn't been all that long since gender prejudices were socially acceptable and active. And in some instances still are, although women have made a lot of progress since the 1960's. And I am still only talking about Western cultures, since those prejudices are still quite active, barring women from jobs, in other cultures. So now that Western women are supposedly liberated and supposedly can hold any job, get back to me in another 200-1,000 years and see if those artist/photographer percentages haven't changed. If you want you daughters to grow up enjoying photography, hand them a camera young. As a female programmer, a very small minority in that field in my age group, I am pretty familiar with gender stereotypes and unconscious assumptions and prejudices. Arts and Crafts, quilting, needlepoint, lace making, sewing, etc. were socially acceptable visual fields for women for centuries. They couldn't lift a brush, not appropriate for most past eras and places, but, boy, they were allowed to lift a needle. Have a Nice Day!, Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Essentially they do the same thing, I don't know if they use the same methods. Shel Belinkoff wrote: The thought never crossed my mind. I just figured that, since the K/M lenses didn't have the electrical contacts of the A series and later lenses, the multi point metering couldn't be implemented. No speculation on my part - just an acceptance of the situation. While it might have been nice to know how to make the lenses provide multi segment metering, I really didn't care very much to waste time looking for a solution. Others here are so much better at fiddling around with such things. If it were an issue, I'd have just asked the list, and guys like Roberts would probably have an answer. BTW, isn't matrix metering what Nikon calls their system, and doesn't Pentax use the term multi segment metering? Are the two the same, or is there some difference between them? Shel [Original Message] From: Kostas Kavoussanakis You probably also want matrix metering with M lenses? ...But, as we have said in a different thread, Pentax won't tell us what/if something has changed in the matrix metering of the DSLRs, so people speculate that this is just another mindless decision to cripple the cameras further. Sorry, to make them cheaper. -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
The Old Friends
This is a traditional, South London working-class pub close to where I live. http://www.web-options.com/30470009.jpg It amuses me that a publican has a place called Old Friends next to an Indian takeaway, serves Australian lager, has live reggae, and says England love it or leave. Or perhaps I'm misjudging him, and he just wants rid of the people who don't celebrate diversity... -- Regards, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens !
HAR! When hell freezes over. That wasn't JCO talking about selling a K so he could buy a limited, it was me. Paul On Oct 22, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: Well jco, you'll probably never regret buying a 77mm Limited. Great lens, very pretty and small - a joy to use too. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Paul Stenquist Sendt: 22. oktober 2006 19:45 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens ! Amazing. I think mine brought $350, and I was pleased. I'm thinking of selling my K 85/1.8 so I can replace it with a 77 limited. If I could get half this, I'd do it. Paul On Oct 22, 2006, at 11:55 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Look at this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290039855648 Two bidders gone into hysteria. I have never seen one sell for more than $400 Before. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Your first camera
In a message dated 10/22/2006 9:37:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marnie. I did not write the quoted part, Bob did. Blame him, not me ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) === Aha, but I didn't think it was you. However, I didn't think it was Bob either. Okay, he's blamed. ;-) Hehehehehe. Girl children are still given dolls and boy children are still given trucks. Though, these days both may also be given action figures and light sabers. My point is, if you want your daughters (and granddaughters) to grow up enjoying photography, hand them a camera young. Marnie aka Doe :-) Well, I've said that three times -- that should do it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
But it was an entirely mechanical system. No electronics in the lens at all. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: The JCO survey You cant answer simple questions? Don't you have the mental capacity To do so or what? I'm just seeing if you have the mental capacity to go and fine out something on your own. Apparently, you'd rather whinge and wring your pudgy little hands in despair and do nothing. Since you don't have the mental resources to do a Google search yourself, the FD mount included an A setting on the lens to allow shutter preferred automatic on bodies that were so inclined to provide it. William Robb -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens !
Yes, that's very expensive. Perhaps it was just missing in someone's collection or outfit. You know, money is just money. I nice lens is perhaps more useful than a piece of paper in a wallet :-) Afterall, a new FA* 1.4 85mm a appr. the same cost is no longer available ... In Denmark this one was priced above 2000 USD. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af William Robb Sendt: 22. oktober 2006 18:12 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens ! - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens ! Look at this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290039855648 Two bidders gone into hysteria. I have never seen one sell for more than $400 Before. No accounting for lunacy. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Way OT: How I spent my summer
Paul - if you don't get a publisher, you can go the LULU route. but all my fingers and toes are crossed for you (thats why my typing is so bad :) :) ann Paul Stenquist wrote: Yes, it's very difficult to get published. Approximately one out of fifty is published, and only about 10% of those could be deemed successful. I've been well aware of that from the start. But I'm a writer by trade, and I've worked in almost every other format, so a novel was inevitable. First person novels are particularly tough sells, so I have a long way to go. But I'm pleased to have gotten this far. Paul On Oct 21, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Bob W wrote: I don't know a lot about it, but I think getting a book published when one is not an already established fiction writer is very tough. I have read though, that persistence is the key. No matter how many rejection slips you get, keep sending it off again and again and again. Nothing will take away your sense of accomplishment, though. Good luck! Not wishing to discourage Paul (or anybody else) because my hat is off to anyone who even finishes the first draft, but even when you've been published there's still no guarantee of sales. Several of my friends are published authors, but their books tend to end up in £1- book shops as publishers' remainders before being pulped for toilet paper. One friend buys all the £1- copies of his books so that when he's a Nobel laureate and finally has a readership in more than double figures he can make a killing by selling them at a profit. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: matrix metering (was: the idiotic rant thread)
On Oct 22, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: ...While it might have been nice to know how to make the lenses provide multi segment metering, I really didn't care very much to waste time looking for a solution. Others here are so much better at fiddling around with such things. If it were an issue, I'd have just asked the list, and guys like Roberts would probably have an answer. BTW, isn't matrix metering what Nikon calls their system, and doesn't Pentax use the term multi segment metering? Are the two the same, or is there some difference between them? ... Nikon was the first to market with matrix metering in the FA model and I guess the name is theirs, but it's stuck around as being a generic term. Pentax calls it 'multi-segment metering'. Both are implementations of the same idea, which I think is more precisely called evaluative exposure estimation: - Measure the scene at multiple points using independently sensitive zones. - Compare the relationships of the zones, weighted appropriately, against a library of scene types to identify known exposure evaluation issues. - Take that type analysis plus the total average brightness of the scene, along with the weighted segment values, to produce a good guess at best overall exposure setting. For the simple, early generation systems like this, the information required for open aperture metering is max aperture and exposure time aperture setting. This can become arbitrarily trickier with more sophisticated information and higher power processing in the metering system. Factors that help aid scene type identification can be focal length and focus setting, factors that help aid exposure setting can be color balance, you can include color information (as Nikon does with RGB matrix metering bodies). These later systems require lenses that provide the relevant additional information for the specific metering system in question. Ancient lenses that do not have chips in them to provide this information electronically are not compatible with this metering mode on the Pentax DSLRs no matter what you do, due to the way the implementation was integrated with the rest of the camera's real time control system. (The same is true for Nikon's D200 ... except that they've provided a way to input some of the required data for a specific lens that you mount and enable one of the simpler forms of the metering mode.) In my experience, matrix metering evaluations with the Pentax *ist DS resolve to be arbitrarily close to Center Weighted Averaging readings UNLESS I set the option to link the AF and AE point and use the full AF sensor array. Then I see some variations in the selected exposure settings. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Hmm I probably overlooked some posts regarding this modification. Toine On 10/22/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This modification does not work with the DSLR bodies, as has been reported both here and elsewhere in previous discussion. Godfrey On Oct 22, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Toine wrote: Does this involve drilling holes in the lens mount and inserting epoxy in the drilled hole for transmitting the lens aperture? I tried this with a Tmount adapter but failed to invent a construction for the single connector pin which pops out the lens mount when an A lens is set to the A position. If someone has a solution I would love to hear this. Full matrix metering with my 560mm Novoflex would be great. Yes, it actually is possible, or at least it was with the film bodies, with the modification Mark Roberts and others have made to their lenses. But, as we have said in a different thread, Pentax won't tell us what/if something has changed in the matrix metering of the DSLRs, so people speculate that this is just another mindless decision to cripple the cameras further. Sorry, to make them cheaper. You probably also want matrix metering with M lenses? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Note, calling the Big 3 domestics is problematic. All the major makers from Europe, Japan and North America build cars in the US and Canada. All of them do serious amounts of design work offshore (GM's small cars are all Opels, Ford Europe does the same for Ford, and much of Chrysler's engineering comes from the Daimler side). The big 3 could disappear and there would still be a strong auto industry in the US, just from all the Toyota and Honda plants. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: They're not built on the same lines, but the same methodology applies. Many former Toyota quality-control specialists now work for the big three. And JD Power measures more than initial quality. Mercury finished second in the most recent JD Power survey of three- year dependability -- ahead of Toyota and Lexus. The big problem the domestics have is delivering value. Generally, you get more for your money with Japanese imports and even more with Korean imports. (Can't wait 'til the Chinese arrive. Even Japan is dreading that.} The big three's overhead is much higher than any of the imports due to union contracts. However, even the UAW now realizes that much of this has to change. Concessions have been coming, and they'll continue. It's the only chance our auto industry has to remain competitive. Paul Paul On Oct 22, 2006, at 12:00 PM, graywolf wrote: Ah, bullshit, the american and japanese cars are likely built on the same assembly line nowadays. Even as far back as 1980 that was possible, now it is likely. Hey, Joe, is this a toyota or a chevy, which badge do I put on it? -- J. C. O'Connell wrote: Don't forget that JD powers numbers are only for initial Quality which is essentially how well the car is assembled And inspected before it leaves the factory. It has almost Nothing to do with build quality and long term reliablity. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey Look at the JD Power numbers. Toyota and Honda are leaders in quality, but GM is close to the top these days as is Ford. All of the US carmakers outperform the Europeans. It's not opinion. It's fact. On Oct 22, 2006, at 5:11 AM, keith_w wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Sorry, but you don't have a clue. I have a lot more than a clue, Paul My family and I have lived with various GM cars over the years, as well as perhaps 30 other vehicles personally. That includes a number of Chevys and Buicks. And for me, a preponderance of foreign iron, including Mercedes, Hondas and Toyotas. The Hondas and Toyotas have out-performed and outlasted any of my other cars, in all respects, without regard to marque. GM's shoddy workmanship and inattention to quality control as a way of automotive life, has lost me as a customer for life. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Yes, a firmware hack would be nice. Toine On 10/22/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Toine wrote: You probably also want matrix metering with M lenses? Yes, it actually is possible, or at least it was with the film bodies, with the modification Mark Roberts and others have made to their lenses. But, as we have said in a different thread, Pentax won't tell us what/if something has changed in the matrix metering of the DSLRs, so people speculate that this is just another mindless decision to cripple the cameras further. Sorry, to make them cheaper. Kostas It's also possible with the D2 hack, where you manually enter focal length and aperture. The K100D and K10D already have half of this implemented for SR. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens !
I think you could do a nice doctoral dissertation on e-bay madness. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens ! Look at this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290039855648 Two bidders gone into hysteria. I have never seen one sell for more than $400 Before. No accounting for lunacy. William Robb -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Old Friends
Hey - funs shot, Bob Needless (I hope) to say if I'd been there I would have taken that shot too :) ann Bob W wrote: This is a traditional, South London working-class pub close to where I live. http://www.web-options.com/30470009.jpg It amuses me that a publican has a place called Old Friends next to an Indian takeaway, serves Australian lager, has live reggae, and says England love it or leave. Or perhaps I'm misjudging him, and he just wants rid of the people who don't celebrate diversity... -- Regards, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: Aires 35
Does anyone here have any knowledge about Aires cameras, please? Especially the ramgefinders! Funny thing: prices seem to vary A LOT. From 7 USD to 250 USD. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
AW: PESO: Just a Tourist Photo
Hi Joe finally a very fun shot, thanks for that. greetings Markus -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Joseph Tainter Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2006 01:55 An: pdml@pdml.net Betreff: PESO: Just a Tourist Photo My wife wanted to feed the pigeons: http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/535671/display/6997754 Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens !
Well jco, you'll probably never regret buying a 77mm Limited. Great lens, very pretty and small - a joy to use too. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Paul Stenquist Sendt: 22. oktober 2006 19:45 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens ! Amazing. I think mine brought $350, and I was pleased. I'm thinking of selling my K 85/1.8 so I can replace it with a 77 limited. If I could get half this, I'd do it. Paul On Oct 22, 2006, at 11:55 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Look at this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290039855648 Two bidders gone into hysteria. I have never seen one sell for more than $400 Before. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
AW: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens !
I got one of the lovely 1.8 SMC Takumar 85mm with the Spotmatic F and a 35mm 3.5 wide lens and the standard 1.4 50mm lens as a bundle for less than 300 dollars in very good condition last year. greetings Markus -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von J. C. O'Connell Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Oktober 2006 17:56 An: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Betreff: $890 for a 85mm f1.8 SMCT lens ! Look at this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290039855648 Two bidders gone into hysteria. I have never seen one sell for more than $400 Before. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
