Re: PESO - American Fence
Paul, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > America before the Europeans was no Eden. There was an interesting > article in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago concerning the > mythology of the native Americans vs. the reality. The reality, in > many cases, was rape, child molestation and sacrifice and even > cannibalism. Running Bear and Little White Dove exist only in pop > culture. Paul There is yet another saying, which I don't remember exactly who produced the first. Loosely translated from the way I know it, it sounds like this: "History is always (re)written by the victors"... See my hint? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
On Jan 9, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: > ... I am quite in the minority as a "technical photographer" as > opposed to an "artsy photographer." Most are the latter and whatever > looks good is acceptable. I find it difficult to trust my own > sense of > quality, so I resort to objective means that I can quantify to > produce the > most colorimetrically accurate and least manipulated images > possible. ... That's not photography, that's creating a recording of a subject. You have to learn to trust your eyes and aesthetics, and develop the ability to see, to do photography. The sunlight streaming through clouds, wandering around the morning mists, and pooling around a freshly opened leaf knows nothing of 'accuracy' or colormetrics. You have to feel the color with your eyes and heart. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........
On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:06 PM, jim wrote: >> Buy Pentax lenses. They're better performers, 99.9% of the time >> anyway. The Pentax FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL would be an excellent choice >> for a lens in this focal length range. > > Thanks. > > tho with digital, I will also need a very wide lens to cover from > 10/15 to 24/28 Pentax DA12-24/4 will do you nicely. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Hi! > - Original Message - > From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > >> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned >> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent >> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime >> rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling >> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of >> something else. > > Straw man argument, Peter. > Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously > hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range > where the victim has less chance of self defence. > > William Robb There you go. There is a *Russian* saying that goes like this: "A gun hanging on the wall in the first act of the show will fire in the second act." Loosely translated by me. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Yet Another Enablement, minor this time ;-)
On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:23 PM, David Savage wrote: >> (and I mean >> lenses like the FA20-35 here, as opposed to the DA21... not monstrous >> things like an FA*200/2.8 ... ;-) > > It isn't that big. LOL ... I relayed one from here to my friend in Gloucester. Lovely thing ... and huge. I'd never carry it without someone else to be the mule. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Hi! K.Takeshita wrote: > I think I understand what you are trying to say but you cannot quite say > that in a direct way due to a sensitivity issue, can't you?. > I once worked in the U.S. and have a lot of friends there. So, I respect a > lot of things good about America. > Having said that, I think those flag paintings are almost uniquely American > phenomena. Americans are very patriotic for various reasons (good and bad > :-), but painting flags everywhere? Ken, please come to visit us in Israel. This will serve an important purpose for this discussion ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Hello there, Ladies and Gentlemen of this wondrous thread. frank theriault wrote: > On 1/9/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their efforts to bring their country >> with them. > > Don't think "country", think culture. > > Everyone who's come to North America has imported their culture with > them, from the first Asians who came across the Bering Strait to white > Europeans in the 17th Century to African slaves (who really didn't > have much choice in coming over) to more recent immigrants. > > The vast majority of immigrants to the US (and Canada, for that > matter) are proud of their heritage, proud of their culture, but have > no desire to return to their homelands or "bring their countries" > here. > > cheers, > frank Frank, Ken, I am surprised. Not to your advantage I should say in advance. Especially so by Ken. I shall explain myself immediately. Let us make a firm distinction between inner and outer self of a person. Consider the following. Take me for example. I was born and brought up to age of 20 in very old *Soviet* culture and state. Then I migrated to Israel. Israel is extremely different from my "pre-historic" mother land. Assume for a moment that I were to migrate to US. Ken, do you really expect me to willingly abandon huge wealth of Soviet, Russian, and Jewish (Israeli) culture and values that I have obtained through the years of my life??? I bet you don't. You do expect me to behave like an American, speak proper English language, though I bet you would tolerate reasonable degree of spoken accent. You would expect me to respect the American way of life. In return, I would expect from to fully tolerate the fact that I wasn't born in America and that I lived great number of years in other countries. I do apologize profoundly, but I am both Jewish and Russian, and neither of which I am going to be willing to abandon in any foreseeable future. For some reason, I am certain that I have much to offer to any country in the world should a potential eventuality of migration arise. I am also certain that in any country of the world I will have much to learn and much space to develop myself. Again, don't ask me to speak English at home, it just won't happen. But then again, should I have to go to a funeral and see a person wrapped in American flag, I am most certain it would bring a tear to my eye, very sincere tear I must say. Do I make myself clear here? I should also say that I am very surprised to see how much mutual intolerance there is among the members of this very friendly community should it touch the national symbols and citizenship. Folks, the world is diverse. It is so for the reason. So let us not try to force the same suit on everyone. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Tom C wrote: >> Then it really becomes a simple thing to dislike them. >> >> -Brendan > > My point was that people often dislike each other because of misconceptions > and wrong perceptions. We often find that when we get to know someone that > we are more alike than different, whether it's our next door neighbor, or > someone from a totally different cultural/national/ethnic/racial/religious > background. > > Not all the time, but alot of the time. Excellent point, Tom! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Cotty wrote: > On 9/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Wasn't that way previously. Immigrants came to the U S of S & quickly became >> Americanized. > > Americanised :-0 Will "turned American" do, please? ;-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Fast and wide for a K100D
M42 lenses are have to be stopped down to taking aperture via a manual switch on the lens. If the lens does not have one, you have to jam the pin so that they stop down. A drop of crazy glue or peening the stop down pin will permanently fix it in stop down mode. But the Zeni 16/2.8 is a fisheye. If you want a rectilinear 12mm lens, the Pentax DA12-24mm f/4 lens is the only game in town. If you can make do with a 14mm lens, the Pentax DA14/2.8 is a superb pick. I have, and love, the latter. I also have the Zeni 16 myself, in K mount, and use it occasionally, but FE is for occasional use, not for everything. Godfrey On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Beaker wrote: > I have a new K100D, and am looking for a fast, wide (roughly 12mm) > lens. > Any suggestions? > > I've been thinking about the 16mm Zenitar fisheye lens. From what I > have seen, it comes in several versions. As a Pentax K mount, with > the aperature lever, and an M42 screw mount, amoung others. Both > versions have advantages- the K mount would be more convenient, the > M42 mount would be more versitile- It (and an adapter) would work on > my Canon 10D. > > How does the aperature selection work in the M42/adapter? Judging by > the pictures I've seen, it has the stop down pin on the mount, but > no auto/manual apature selector on the side. I have a Yashica lens > set up this way, and I can only use the lens wide open- no way to > depress the pin, so the iris will stop down. > > Assuming you can get the M42/adapter version to stop down for > exposure, are there any other quirks that might influence me one way > or the other? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
Guys, The more you engage him in discussion, the more ridiculous it will become. The FA35/2 AL is a different, and better, optical formula than the older 35/2. That's not to say that the M/A35/2 is a poor performer or that the A35/2 that's for sale is not a good lens. I don't give a damn what the M42, M or K series lenses feel like. They're irrelevant to my needs, and I prefer the better PERFORMING lenses anyway. I take pictures, I don't wax ecstatic over how many lenses I've got or how wonderful the old shit was. sick of this nonsense Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Bob, I love your style! LOL. > England, of course. > > A civilising force for the good of all mankind. Welcomed with open > arms the world over for several hundred years, our friendly dominion > was universally loved by the people of all nations who invited us to > govern their helpless little countries and teach their people the > benefits of tea-time, grey flannels and a sporting fair chance for all > (which even now we continue to extend to our charmingly uncouth > antipodean cousins). > > We never asked for anything for ourselves, but devoted the flower of > each generation to the charitable work of ridding your nations of the > pestilence of rubber, spices, oil, coffee, cotton, minerals and other > undesirable commodities. > > Finally we handed it all back to you whenever you asked, and there > were never any angry words between us, just the warm glow of > satisfaction that a father feels when his stupidest child finally > learns to read. > >> (A rhetorical question needing no answer) > > Yea, right! > > Bob > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What's in a Pentax image file (2007 edition) ?
Hey John If you send me a .zip file with the source code in C or C++, I'll see if I can build it for Mac OS X. G On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:24 PM, John Francis wrote: > > Recent discussions here about Lens Identification, and > inquiries about the cumulative frame counter, prompted > me to revise my little program to peek around inside the > various IFDs, MakerNote tags, etc. in a Pentax file. > > I've now added the ability to find the original contents > of a MakerNote tag even if it's been moved to a DNG file > and encapsulated in a DNGPrivateData tag. This works for > both DNG files created by V3 or later of Adobe Camera Raw > and native DNG files produced by the K10D. > > I've also incorporated the decoding of the lens ID field. > > A summary of what I've discovered about the Pentax tags > can be found here: > > http://panix.com/~johnf/raw/index.html > > A (Windows executable) version of the program I use to > dump the tags can be found here: > > http://panix.com/~johnf/raw/ShowTags.exe > > It's fairly easy to use - just type > > ShowTags filespec1 filespec2 ... > > at a command prompt (wildcards can be used). There's > quite a bit of output (100 or more lines per image), > so you might want to redirect the output to a file. > > Unfortunately it appears that the FrameCount tag (tag 41) > is no longer written out - it shows up in files from the > D and the DS, but has vanished from the DL. > > > If anybody spots a discrepancy between the output from > ShowTags and the data in the table I'd appreciate email > (sent to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) detailing the difference. > > I'm particularly interested in information about the > DS2/DL2, and about the K100D/K110D, and how these differ > from the DS. > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:10 -0500, Adam Maas wrote: >Potentially, since their lens protocol is a fairly blatant copy of the >EOS protocol. IIRC they originally tried to licence EF mount. got turned >down and decided to use a K-mount derived Bayonet on a mount that's >otherwise EOS. Sigma-mount lenses can be modified to work fully on EOS >bodies with a mount replacement. That is interesting. I thought I saw somewhere they use a K bayonet mount but is obvious that is set up different linkage and electricly wise. wounder what the register length is? ie from sensor to mount. James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Fast and wide for a K100D
Hi- I have a new K100D, and am looking for a fast, wide (roughly 12mm) lens. Any suggestions? I've been thinking about the 16mm Zenitar fisheye lens. From what I have seen, it comes in several versions. As a Pentax K mount, with the aperature lever, and an M42 screw mount, amoung others. Both versions have advantages- the K mount would be more convenient, the M42 mount would be more versitile- It (and an adapter) would work on my Canon 10D. How does the aperature selection work in the M42/adapter? Judging by the pictures I've seen, it has the stop down pin on the mount, but no auto/manual apature selector on the side. I have a Yashica lens set up this way, and I can only use the lens wide open- no way to depress the pin, so the iris will stop down. Assuming you can get the M42/adapter version to stop down for exposure, are there any other quirks that might influence me one way or the other? Thanks for your help. Mike Beacom -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
My brother asked one of his clients how she met his law partner: "He defended me when my husband died - of infidelity." On 1/9/07, Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Savage wrote: > > > Just like guns don't kill people. > > Guns _don't_ kill people ... it's those pesky bullets! :-) > > Or, as Larry the Cable Guy says, > > "Guns don't kill people ... husbands that come home early, _they_ kill > people." > > -- > Thanks, > DougF (KG4LMZ) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Occupations?
Hi! Mark Cassino wrote: > Borrowing Doug's words, I'm a reformed photographer. > > Before that, even though Alan Greenspan reverts to single syllable words > when he hears me say it, I was a Banker. > > These days I work for a non-profit that provides guardian, conservator, > and other advocacy services. Mark, having dealt with many people who are involved with trading and having dealt with you about that exhibition you had in Israel, I should say, you're the most friendly and generally enjoyable person (involved with money professionally) I've known. Well, this is compliment, just to make sure I am not misunderstood. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Enablement
John, > I found a job. > > I'm now a Sign Maker at a place nearby called "Signs That Sell." I start > tomorrow at 7:30. AM. I haven't had to be up that early every day since > high school. It'll take some adjustment, but I can deal with it. I'm a > little sad that I couldn't find a job at another camera shop, but there's > only one left in the area (Wolf) and they already hired one of my former > managers. > > The job itself is a little overwhelming. There's so much that they do that > I have no clue about. I've got a lot to learn. > > One step at a time. > > John Congratulations. How does it feel now? ;-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: "Gonz" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > >> >> Straw man argument, Peter. >> Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously >> hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range >> where the victim has less chance of self defence. >> > True, but he's right about it being a symptom of something deeper. If > you put large amounts of guns in the hands of people in Japan, its not > going to have any where near the same effect as if you put them in the > hands of people in Rwanda or Nigeria. High violent crime rate usually > points to something deeper in the social fabric than just the > availability of weapons. You'll get no argument from me on that one, but it is also not germaine. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Has anyone photographed, or at least seen, this UFO?
At 4:04 PM -0500 1/9/07, Walter Hamler wrote: >The comet is visible near the Western Horizon right at and after sunset. >Been cloudy here too but supposed to clear later today. The thing is moving >into the Southern Hemisphere skies in a few more days so the folks down >under should get a nice view! My wife saw it this evening (I had to go to work). She says it looks "just like a huge white paintbrush mark across the sky." It is supposed to be the brightest comet in many decades. -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Lawyers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What makes the American public health system, so much better than any > other countries? > > Cheers, > > Dave (I have no idea how the system works in the US) > > On 1/10/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care.. >> >>knarF, Surely you jest. >> >>Kenneth Waller > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > > >>Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned >>all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent >>crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime >>rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling >>firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of >>something else. > > > Straw man argument, Peter. > Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously > hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range > where the victim has less chance of self defence. > True, but he's right about it being a symptom of something deeper. If you put large amounts of guns in the hands of people in Japan, its not going to have any where near the same effect as if you put them in the hands of people in Rwanda or Nigeria. High violent crime rate usually points to something deeper in the social fabric than just the availability of weapons. > William Robb > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
A 9mm makes a nice rat killer. ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm not anti-firearms, but I am anti-hand guns (and to a lesser extent > semi-automatic rifles/shotguns). They have one purpose, and one > purpose only, to kill people. > > Cheers, > > Dave > > On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Sorry, I must disagree. An armed victim is more likely to defend >>herself than a disarmed victim. To paraphrase a member of the English >>House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB. >>'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong. To restrict >>their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense. >>Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the >>right.' Apparently the British Government no longer believes in the >>Citizens right of self defense. Do you? >> >> >>William Robb wrote: >> >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>> >>> >>> >>> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of something else. >>> >>>Straw man argument, Peter. >>>Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously >>>hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range >>>where the victim has less chance of self defence. >>> >>>William Robb >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>-- >> >>The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >>-- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: How does one unlock an SD card??
>> I don't understand why you thought my logic was bad > > Your statements didn't point out in any way in which the SD was physically > different from the CF. > Godfrey's did. I assumed anyone who cared would have seen the differences by now. They're pretty obvious (to me anyway) if one takes a moment to look at the cards. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I hit my target, that's hand gun control. Any other kind is false security. David Savage wrote: > My point is, I happen to believe in controls on handguns. > > Dave > > On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I could say, and your point? However in at least one case that's not >> true. The .44 magnum was touted as a last chance weapon for bear >> hunters. I'm not sure that I'd be much comforted but hey, if you're >> going to hunt bears I guess any thing is better than nothing. >> >> David Savage wrote: >> >>> I'm not anti-firearms, but I am anti-hand guns (and to a lesser extent >>> semi-automatic rifles/shotguns). They have one purpose, and one >>> purpose only, to kill people. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Dave >>> > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Historically under English Common law, it's a right. After Centuries of attempts at limiting this right, and in specific opposition of the attempts by Charles II and James II to disarm all but those who supported them, it was revitalized in the English Deceleration of Right of 1689. (This by the way is seen by many as the direct ancestor of the US second amendment). Too bad that's being forgotten. Rights shouldn't be given up so easily. David Savage wrote: > On 1/10/07, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> William Robb wrote: >> >> >>> They kill better, but really, are they used as frequently to kill as many? >>> >> It makes for splashy news stories when dozens are killed or injured at >> once, like Columbine or Port Arthur. >> > > Our governments knee jerk reaction after Port Arthur was quite drastic > compared to what happened in the US after Columbine. > > But then the ability to own a firearm isn't a "right", it's a privilege. > > Cheers, > > Dave > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
JCO, You're blowing things far out of proportion. The focus feel of the A lenses is very similar to the M's, K's, and screw mounts, especially when you start comparing to the higher quality A's. Your comparison to the 50's is flawed. And focus feel is less of an issue in these days of autofocus lenses. Yes, some of these cheaper A's traded plastic for metal, but I shot for a long time with a Super A, and the lighter weight was a feature - by design. Yes, I don't like the A28/2.8 and have fixed a copy with a spring problem on the A setting. Yes, I don't like the plastic body on the A50/1.7. But I really like the focus feel on my A15/3.5, A20/2.8, A24/2.8, A50/1.4, A85/1.4, A100/2.8 macro, A135/1.8, A200/4, A300/4, A400/5.6 and A35-105/3.5 zoom. They all feel good in the hand. (I'm buying Joe's A35/2 and I sure wish I could find an A28/2.0. I've been close to an A100/2.8 but haven't been able to acquire one and have little interest in the A135/2.8 or A100/4 macro.) For 'bona fida's' on the lense issue, I own almost all the primes in the M catalogue except the M50/4 macro. The M28/2.0 and M300/4 were more difficult to find, but I've owned most of the rest from new. I also own most prime lenses from the K catalogue except the K15/3.5 and K300/4. (The K85/1.8, K30/2.8,and K200/2.5 were the toughest to find but are sweet. I'd still like to find a K28/2.0 to compare with the K20/4 I picked up long ago.) I've also acquired 85% of the SMC screwmount primes, from the 300/4 on down. They have a distinct tactile feel because of the lack of a rubber grip on the exterior. I've also got an assortment of the Super Tak's and older Pentax lenses that I picked up along the way. ...So I know the feel of my Pentax lenses. With these lenses, I can see the evolution of Pentax lens design from Super Takumar, to SMC, to K, to M, to A, from a Super Takumar 85/1.9 to the SMC 85/1.8 to the K85/1.8. They are clearly a family. For a time, I was troubled by the move to plastic, but I see it now as a natural transition to lighter lenses that are needed to support the move to big range zooms. And yes, the pre '70's SMC screwmount lenses have a slightly different feel in the hand. (With the metal exterior of the Limited Lenses, that feel could be duplicated in the Limited lenses except for the clicking of the autofocus mechanism as you focus manually.) In any case, it is a gross exaggeration to say the A line is not so good. The line has some of the highest quality prime lenses that Pentax has ever produced. Regards, Bob S. On 1/9/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right now, I only have 3 Pentax "A" lenses, all 50mm's like in new > condtion. > 2 50mmf1.4As and a 50mmf2.8A Macro. I have over 35 PENTAX K and M lenses > (but over a dozen of those are 50 and 55mm ) and about a dozen third > party PK lenses & only four > of those are "A" type. This is > only PK lenses. I have a ton of Pentax & third party M42 also. > I probably have about 80+ 35mm SLR lenses in my personal collection... > ALL FULL FRAME and ALL PENTAX K or PENTAX screw mount. I dont > use or have any other makesOnly good thing about this overkill > is they have all gone up in value quite a bit in the last year or so, so > I dont feel as bad as I should for having so many...My hobby > has kinda turned into an investment, this year at least... > jco > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Shel Belinkoff > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:55 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: RE: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2 > > > Which lenses have you owned/do you still own? > > Shel > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: J. C. O'Connell > > > Well if you count all the ones I got and sold > > over the years in pkg. deals, at least a couple > > dozen total. I still have a few mint ones in my collection too but > > even they are crass compared to the M and K ( even M42 too ) versions > > mechanically > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: How does one unlock an SD card??
when push comes to shove and these SD cards and receptacles get "abused", what pins fail, the receptacle pin or the card pins or both? If the camera receptacle pins fail that's very bad, if its just the card pins, well that's much more tolerable I would think jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Waller Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:20 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: How does one unlock an SD card?? > I don't understand why you thought my logic was bad Your statements didn't point out in any way in which the SD was physically different from the CF. Godfrey's did. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How does one unlock an SD card?? >> The logic in you statement just doesn't hold, so how is what you >> stated any different with the SD card. >> Maybe the universe of CF cards was just bigger than SD cards. > > I don't understand why you thought my logic was bad, but I'm glad > Godfrey cleared things up for you. > > John > > -- > http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
> What makes the American public health system, so much better than any > other countries? Never said it was so much better, but here in the Detroit area we hear horror stories about Canadians having to wait for years in the case of specific medical procedures. Also hear of Canadians coming to the U S of A for treatment they can't get in Canada. Also, show up in an American hospital and you will get treated regardless of insurance or not. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > What makes the American public health system, so much better than any > other countries? > > Cheers, > > Dave (I have no idea how the system works in the US) > > On 1/10/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care.. >> >> knarF, Surely you jest. >> >> Kenneth Waller > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: How does one unlock an SD card??
> I don't understand why you thought my logic was bad Your statements didn't point out in any way in which the SD was physically different from the CF. Godfrey's did. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How does one unlock an SD card?? >> The logic in you statement just doesn't hold, so how is what you stated >> any >> different with the SD card. >> Maybe the universe of CF cards was just bigger than SD cards. > > I don't understand why you thought my logic was bad, but I'm glad Godfrey > cleared things up for you. > > John > > -- > http://www.neovenator.com > http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
My point is, I happen to believe in controls on handguns. Dave On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I could say, and your point? However in at least one case that's not > true. The .44 magnum was touted as a last chance weapon for bear > hunters. I'm not sure that I'd be much comforted but hey, if you're > going to hunt bears I guess any thing is better than nothing. > > David Savage wrote: > > I'm not anti-firearms, but I am anti-hand guns (and to a lesser extent > > semi-automatic rifles/shotguns). They have one purpose, and one > > purpose only, to kill people. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
> Anything with gin is criminal.. Not if its Bombay Sapphire or "10". Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > - Original Message - > From: "K.Takeshita" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > >> It's just many more criminals >> with gins in U.S. :-). > > Anything with gin is criminal.. > WW > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
William Robb wrote: > Do you suppose Mike is still reading? > If he was, he ain't anymore! :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: How does one unlock an SD card??
> The logic in you statement just doesn't hold, so how is what you stated > any > different with the SD card. > Maybe the universe of CF cards was just bigger than SD cards. I don't understand why you thought my logic was bad, but I'm glad Godfrey cleared things up for you. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I could say, and your point? However in at least one case that's not true. The .44 magnum was touted as a last chance weapon for bear hunters. I'm not sure that I'd be much comforted but hey, if you're going to hunt bears I guess any thing is better than nothing. David Savage wrote: > I'm not anti-firearms, but I am anti-hand guns (and to a lesser extent > semi-automatic rifles/shotguns). They have one purpose, and one > purpose only, to kill people. > > Cheers, > > Dave > > On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sorry, I must disagree. An armed victim is more likely to defend >> herself than a disarmed victim. To paraphrase a member of the English >> House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB. >> 'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong. To restrict >> their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense. >> Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the >> right.' Apparently the British Government no longer believes in the >> Citizens right of self defense. Do you? >> >> >> William Robb wrote: >> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>> >>> >>> >>> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of something else. >>> Straw man argument, Peter. >>> Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously >>> hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range >>> where the victim has less chance of self defence. >>> >>> William Robb >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> -- >> >> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: How does one unlock an SD card??
> The biggest problem we had was with cards that hadn't been formatted that > wouldn't read in the readers at all, though they would read in camera. > The second biggest problem we had was Sony Memory Sticks. Oh man, non- (or improperly-) formatted cards were a nightmare too, since the customers would invariably assume something was wrong with OUR printing kiosks. On the other hand, we could sometimes get them to pay for an image recovery service, since it was likely their computer wouldn't read their card either. I hate Sony in general (did you hear they're dropping their monitor line?), but the memory cards I had the most problems with were Smart Media and XD. The reason was twofold. First, if something bad happened to one of those cards (which only Fuji and Olympus use, I believe) and they could not be read in any of the usual ways, kiss your photos goodbye. Even our best file recovery software would fail most of the time when trying to access damamged SM and XD cards. CF and SD, for whatever reason, are a hell of a lot more forgiving. Second, if a customer accidentally formatted their SM or XD card, there was no recovering anything. Olympus cameras, especially, run a full format when you format your card, meaning *nothing* is left. I don't understand why they do it this way, whereas cameras that take CF or SD cards tend to perform quick formats, leaving the data to be overwritten or recovered later. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
David Savage wrote: > Just like guns don't kill people. Guns _don't_ kill people ... it's those pesky bullets! :-) Or, as Larry the Cable Guy says, "Guns don't kill people ... husbands that come home early, _they_ kill people." -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
So what ... a gun may be a generic term, but the rifle is specific. Similar to pistol and revolver, both are guns but each is specific. Further, there are features to rifles that guns do not have. I stand by my specificity rather than some wuss dictionary generalization. I recall an few paragraphs written by Ernie Pyle in one of his WWII stories, in which a GI called his rifle a gun. His sergeant made the recruit stand in front of the platoon holding both his rifle and his penis, and repeat the incantation "This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun." Shel > [Original Message] > From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Date: 1/9/2007 7:35:26 PM > Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > Rifles, not guns > > > > Shel > > meh... from Merriam-Webster Online: > Gun: 1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and > comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or > handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile > > -- > > Christian > http://photography.skofteland.net > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
What makes the American public health system, so much better than any other countries? Cheers, Dave (I have no idea how the system works in the US) On 1/10/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care.. > > knarF, Surely you jest. > > Kenneth Waller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
> Canada has a national commitment to penis envy regarding the USA, most of > what we are involves not being you. You mean you don't want to be the next state in the union? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > - Original Message - > From: "Gonz" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > > I always wondered what it was like to be canadian. > > Imagine not being an American, and you are pretty much there. > Canada has a national commitment to penis envy regarding the USA, most of > what we are involves not being you. > Seriously. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: How does one unlock an SD card??
> I'd say that if you could get the CF card into the slot backwards, > without using a sufficient amount of force to destroy the slot, it was > incorrectly designed to begin with. I have a card reader with a type II > slot where you could possibly incorrectly insert a type one card, > (though it doesn't come close to seating), but I can't put it in > backwards. Try putting it in sideways or upside down. Backwards won't work because of the lip on the rear edge of the card. Sideways is how people *really* f-ed up their camera's pins. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > On 9/1/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>cheers, >>frank (who doesn't even know what Ni! means) > but lives in some shrubbery > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag
>try to count how many times you see them on the right, though. Alot. I see it that way on planes all the time. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag > Kenneth Waller wrote: >> Well done Mark & the orientation of the stars doesn't bother me. > > Thanks, Ken. Glad the stars work for you - now that I've raised the > issue, try to count how many times you see them on the right, though. > > - MCC > > > -- > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Mark Cassino Photography > Kalamazoo > www.markcassino.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
> It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care.. knarF, Surely you jest. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > On 1/9/07, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I always wondered what it was like to be canadian. > c> It's pretty much like being American, but with better health are and no guns... > > cheers, > frank > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/10/07, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William Robb wrote: > > > They kill better, but really, are they used as frequently to kill as many? > > It makes for splashy news stories when dozens are killed or injured at > once, like Columbine or Port Arthur. Our governments knee jerk reaction after Port Arthur was quite drastic compared to what happened in the US after Columbine. But then the ability to own a firearm isn't a "right", it's a privilege. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
> IMO Americans tend to do exactly the same thing when they are abroad. I agree, but eventually they go home! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: PESO - American Fence > Ken. > IMO Americans tend to do exactly the same thing when they are abroad. > Whether they are fighting a war, having a vacation or are visiting their > "roots in old country". > > I think that is human nature. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Kenneth Waller > Sent: 9. januar 2007 18:23 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > >> Is it really sad Ken? > > The U.S. became great by the work of many pulling together to make thing > better for the whole. Now it seems we have groups of immigrants, among > others, that come to the U.S. but bring along their customs & traditions > from their home land and expect the rest of us to adapt to them. > >> In general, I don't think we are quite as xenophobic here. > > I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their efforts to bring their country > with them. > > Kenneth Waller > > - Original Message - > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >> >> >>>The USA is multi ethnic, but if you are an American, you are an American, >>>first and foremost, and that flag is to die for. >> >> Sadly that's the way it use to be. Notice the number of immigrants >> arriving >> in the U S of A that want to change the official language, continue >> traditions from their homeland, dress in their homeland garb etc. >> >> Wasn't that way previously. Immigrants came to the U S of S & quickly >> became >> Americanized. >> >> Is it really sad Ken? >> We've been operating a hyphenated society in Canada for many, many years, >> and it seems to be working well enough. >> In general, I don't think we are quite as xenophobic here. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I'm not anti-firearms, but I am anti-hand guns (and to a lesser extent semi-automatic rifles/shotguns). They have one purpose, and one purpose only, to kill people. Cheers, Dave On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, I must disagree. An armed victim is more likely to defend > herself than a disarmed victim. To paraphrase a member of the English > House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB. > 'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong. To restrict > their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense. > Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the > right.' Apparently the British Government no longer believes in the > Citizens right of self defense. Do you? > > > William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > > > > > > >> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned > >> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent > >> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime > >> rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling > >> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of > >> something else. > >> > > > > Straw man argument, Peter. > > Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously > > hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range > > where the victim has less chance of self defence. > > > > William Robb > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > Shel Belinkoff wrote: >> Rifles, not guns >> >> Shel > > meh... from Merriam-Webster Online: > Gun: 1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and > comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or > handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile He was merely adding a level of specificity, as in rifles specifically, not guns in general. Do you suppose Mike is still reading? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Rifles, not guns > > Shel meh... from Merriam-Webster Online: Gun: 1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........
jim wrote: >> SIGnificant MAlfunction strikes again. > > LOL. > > mmm how do sigma lens work on sigma camera? any compatiability issuses there? > maybe they reverse engineer there own lens :P > > James > Potentially, since their lens protocol is a fairly blatant copy of the EOS protocol. IIRC they originally tried to licence EF mount. got turned down and decided to use a K-mount derived Bayonet on a mount that's otherwise EOS. Sigma-mount lenses can be modified to work fully on EOS bodies with a mount replacement. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
William Robb wrote: > > They kill better, but really, are they used as frequently to kill as many? It makes for splashy news stories when dozens are killed or injured at once, like Columbine or Port Arthur. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Sorry, I must disagree. An armed victim is more likely to defend herself than a disarmed victim. To paraphrase a member of the English House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB. 'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong. To restrict their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense. Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the right.' Apparently the British Government no longer believes in the Citizens right of self defense. Do you? William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > > >> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned >> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent >> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime >> rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling >> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of >> something else. >> > > Straw man argument, Peter. > Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously > hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range > where the victim has less chance of self defence. > > William Robb > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Rifles, not guns Shel > [Original Message] > From: Christian > yeah, ok, no guns in Canada? With what do > you guys shoot all the bears, moose, elk, caribou, deer, etc, etc.? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
> Nativism is a form of xenophobia. Ken describes assimilation. Those > who don't wish to assimilate should go to Canada... No. I like Canada & Canadians. Couldn't ask for better neighbors. Those who don't wish to assimilate should go to back to their own country. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > Nativism is a form of xenophobia. Ken describes assimilation. Those > who don't wish to assimilate should go to Canada... > > Brendan MacRae wrote: >> --- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: PESO - American >>> Fence >>> >>> >>> > Is it really sad Ken? > The U.S. became great by the work of many pulling >>> together to make thing >>> better for the whole. Now it seems we have groups >>> of immigrants, among >>> others, that come to the U.S. but bring along >>> their customs & traditions >>> from their home land and expect the rest of us to >>> adapt to them. >>> > In general, I don't think we are quite as > >>> xenophobic here. >>> I don't hate foreigners, but I detest their >>> efforts to bring their country >>> with them. >>> Xenophobia can be cultural as well as racial. >>> >>> William Robb >>> >> >> I think what Ken is descibing is Nativism, not >> xenophobia. The idea that America is an "endangered >> Eden." It isn't, of course. It never has been. But we >> live in a time of powerlessness of the masses. We are >> at war with an idea and we are paranoid. It has to be >> somebody's fault, right? >> >> -Brendan >> >> >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - what bird is this?
Brian Walters wrote: > Nicely captured, James. > > It's a Silvereye (so called for obvious reasons). Very common in most of > south east Australia. Hahahahaha... I should find out where people are posting from before I make a bird ID... Let me consult the ol' Aussie bird guide yep silvereye... :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - what bird is this?
Nicely captured, James. It's a Silvereye (so called for obvious reasons). Very common in most of south east Australia. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting J and K Messervy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I > bought from > Ebay. Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on > full > manual. > > http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37 > > I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of > a > sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in > our back > yard at present. I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot. > > Cheers > > James -- Accredited Degree Finder Research accredited schools offering 100% online degrees. http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/MhtYWUiVLMGuyc0YWifjbQYCitnHTrT1Vxvmt/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - what bird is this?
J and K Messervy wrote: > This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought from > Ebay. Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full > manual. > > http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37 > > I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a > sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our back > yard at present. I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot. > > Cheers > > James > > That's a really nicely composed shot. I think it's a warbler (mourning warbler would be my first guess, but it's on the page of my Peterson's filed guide called "Confusing Fall Warblers) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > William Robb wrote: >> >> Our health care system is pretty mucked up at the moment, > > Thank you for admitting that. > It's not an admission, it's the plain truth. >> The feds are commited to universal health care, with no allowance >> made for private care. > > Which I find utterly ridiculous. You should have the option to pay for > "better" care. The argument (which I don't necessarily argree with) is that there is, in reality, a finite amount of health care resources available, be it public or private. Private health care sucks care resources from the poorer segments of society, which you confirm below. > >> my impression is >> that if you don't have health insurance you are petty much screwed > > Totally agree, and this is where the US is lacking. We need better > universal care but not at the expense of good health care plans. What we need is a quality of universal health care that negates the need for private health plans. > >> We may have more long guns per capita > > I believe knarf wrote "no guns." Long guns IS guns and they kill just > as good, if not better than, hand guns. I loved "Bowling for > Columbine." (flame retardant suit: ON). :-) They kill better, but really, are they used as frequently to kill as many? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - what bird is this?
I like it too James and I will try something similar with a Tokina M42 400mm 5.6 RMC tele (non mirror) I got yesterday and the Pentax AF400FTZ on the SFXn and film today as testfor the lens . I tried to get some closeups of raven yesterday taking a bath in the swimming-bath here with a 70-300mm zoom but they are either too clever for me or the tele range must be much longer ;-) greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - what bird is this? Very nice, even with the donut shaped bokeh. Which Sigma did you get? J and K Messervy wrote: > This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought from > Ebay. Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full > manual. > > http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37 > > I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a > sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our back > yard at present. I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot. > > Cheers > > James > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: "Brendan MacRae" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > Guns don't kill people; bullets do. Unless you use it like a club. WW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: "K.Takeshita" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > It's just many more criminals > with gins in U.S. :-). Anything with gin is criminal.. WW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
- Original Message - From: "Cory Papenfuss" Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) > > I am cursed by the fact that I do not trust my own preference for > "pleasing/accurate," You need to look at more good pictures then. Not necessarily photographs either. I find my own pictures aren't as instructive as other peoples, since no matter how I try, I am biased regarding my own work. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned > all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent > crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime > rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling > firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of > something else. Straw man argument, Peter. Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more seriously hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at range where the victim has less chance of self defence. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - what bird is this?
Thanks. I've also confirmed that it is a Silver eye. The lens is just a Sigma 600mm f8 mirror telephoto. It doesn't really have anything else to identify it. It's sharper than I was expecting though...if you get the focus spot on, which is a little difficult. James - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: Re: PESO - what bird is this? > Very nice, even with the donut shaped bokeh. Which Sigma did you get? > > J and K Messervy wrote: >> This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought >> from >> Ebay. Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full >> manual. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37 >> >> I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a >> sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our >> back >> yard at present. I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot. >> >> Cheers >> >> James >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - what bird is this?
Sharpness is not the weakness of mirror lenses IMHO, my Tamron SP 500 is quite good regarding this. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of J and K Messervy Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:05 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - what bird is this? Thanks. I've also confirmed that it is a Silver eye. The lens is just a Sigma 600mm f8 mirror telephoto. It doesn't really have anything else to identify it. It's sharper than I was expecting though...if you get the focus spot on, which is a little difficult. James - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: Re: PESO - what bird is this? > Very nice, even with the donut shaped bokeh. Which Sigma did you get? > > J and K Messervy wrote: >> This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought >> from >> Ebay. Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full >> manual. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37 >> >> I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a >> sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our >> back >> yard at present. I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot. >> >> Cheers >> >> James >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Two palm trees
Boris Liberman wrote: > http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=16107&full=1 > Well seen, Boris. The natural shapes of the palms provides for a nice counterpoint to the regularity and repetition of the sailboat masts. Gorgeous light on the water too. My only quibble would be what appears to be the blown out sky along the horizon to the left of the image. I'd like to see some detail there - but that truly is a quibble. - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I thought it was high impact lead poising that killed people... Paul Stenquist wrote: > Bullets don't kill people. The holes that bullets create kill people:-). > Paul > On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > > >> --- David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do. >>> >>> Just like guns don't kill people. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >> Note to Tom: here I go again... >> >> Guns don't kill people; bullets do. >> >> -Brendan >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - what bird is this?
Very nice, even with the donut shaped bokeh. Which Sigma did you get? J and K Messervy wrote: > This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought from > Ebay. Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full > manual. > > http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37 > > I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a > sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our back > yard at present. I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot. > > Cheers > > James > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO:industrial fireworks overZurich
The "industrial surrounding" and the nearly absence of colors makes this photo a little bit different from the usual fireworks shot for me. Pentax SFXn, Pentax A70-210mm, Konica Centuria 100 film, tripod and cable remote , F11, around 6 seconds... greetings Markus http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5433327&size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........
I'm very fond of the DA 12-24. The pic of the Mustang that I posted yesterday was shot with this lens. In fact, although I brought three other lenses with me to the auto show, they didn't come out of the bag. I used the DA 12-24 exclusively. Paul On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:07 PM, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "jim" Subject: Re: Finally got my K10D. but.. > > >> >>> Buy Pentax lenses. They're better performers, 99.9% of the time >>> anyway. The Pentax FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL would be an excellent choice >>> for a lens in this focal length range. >> >> Thanks. >> >> tho with digital, I will also need a very wide lens to cover from >> 10/15 to >> 24/28 > > 10-17 is excellent, though you will need a defishing program. > I've heard enough good things about the 12-24 that I bought one. > At some point, I may even get it. > The 14/2.8 is excellent, as is the FA20-35. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Finally got my K10D. but..........
I'm very fond of the DA 12-24. The pic of the Mustang that I posted yesterday was shot with this lens. In fact, although I brought three other lenses with me to the auto show, they didn't come out of the bag. I used the DA 12-24 exclusively. Paul On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:07 PM, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "jim" Subject: Re: Finally got my K10D. but.. > > >> >>> Buy Pentax lenses. They're better performers, 99.9% of the time >>> anyway. The Pentax FA24-90/3.5-4.5 AL would be an excellent choice >>> for a lens in this focal length range. >> >> Thanks. >> >> tho with digital, I will also need a very wide lens to cover from >> 10/15 to >> 24/28 > > 10-17 is excellent, though you will need a defishing program. > I've heard enough good things about the 12-24 that I bought one. > At some point, I may even get it. > The 14/2.8 is excellent, as is the FA20-35. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Show Pony
Thanks Jack. The lighting is from the display lights. I removed a couple of highlights that I didn't like but left most of them. The lighting was a bit uneven, so I brightened up the front of the car with a curves adjustment on a selected area with 50 pixel feathering. On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > Paul, what was the lighting source? Did you have to deal with > highlight > removal in post processing? Did you light it? > Striking shot. > > Jack > --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today. >> >> I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice >> >> to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great >> camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have >> >> some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll >> probably post a few more later. >> Paul >> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5429605&size=lg >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Bullets don't kill people. The holes that bullets create kill people:-). Paul On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > > --- David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do. >> >> Just like guns don't kill people. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Dave >> > > Note to Tom: here I go again... > > Guns don't kill people; bullets do. > > -Brendan > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - what bird is this?
Good shot. It looks like the bird we call a goldfinch up here. Decent bokeh for a mirror lens. On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:11 PM, J and K Messervy wrote: > This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I > bought from > Ebay. Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on > full > manual. > > http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37 > > I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a > sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in > our back > yard at present. I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot. > > Cheers > > James > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Show Pony
Paul, what was the lighting source? Did you have to deal with highlight removal in post processing? Did you light it? Striking shot. Jack --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I did some pics at the North American International Auto Show today. > > I have a lot of pics and have only processed a few. The K10D was nice > > to work with. Shot most of it handheld with SR turned on. Great > camera for events in indoor venues. Here's a Mustang show car. I have > > some more interesting stuff that I haven't processed, so I'll > probably post a few more later. > Paul > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5429605&size=lg > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - what bird is this?
This is one of my first shots with the Sigma 600mm mirror lens I bought from Ebay. Was shot on the K10D with AF540FGZ flash with everything on full manual. http://tinyurl.com/yhyn37 I don't know what kind of bird it is, but they're about the size of a sparrow or finch and they're enjoying the apricots on the tree in our back yard at present. I was about 4 metres away when I took the shot. Cheers James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/09/07 8:45 PM, "P. J. Alling", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned > all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent > crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime > rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling > firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of > something else. I do not wish to debate about gun control here ;-), but in Canada, taking guns out is almost impossible. Only guns you can bring out of home are bolt action rifles and shotguns. Even then, you have to follow certain rules. You can't carry ANY handguns (i.e., concealable and portable) and some rifles (automatics etc) without a carrying permit. The carrying permit is not just for casual carrying it to a range etc, but has a very specific purpose and places stipulated on it. If you have to bring it to a gunsmith, you have to get a separate carrying permit on certain date and certain time. So, if anybody carry handguns around with no specific purpose, that's a crime. Even with legal guns (rifle or handgun), Police's attitude is to find any excuse to confiscate them. When you buy a restricted guns (handguns and automatic rifles), you have to first receive a police inspection of storage facility. It's impossible to enforce these universally, but it seems to be working better than we think. This is not to say Americans are bad. I know it has a lot more to do with your history and culture. And once guns are proliferated, it is almost impossible to control it. Criminals always know how to bypass laws. It's just many more criminals with gins in U.S. :-). I'll shut up :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 77 Ltd
Dave, Do not fret, I should have both of mine on the mountain. I will probably keep the black in reserve, unless it has gotten scratched up before then... How much longer until NPW? Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland I used the thread as a crutch.:-) I hope mine comes before Jine 2. Dave Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > >> >> Everyone happy with their's.?? >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> Equine Photography in York Region >> >> >> >> > > Tsk, tsk, tsk, > > > > Dave, do you really have to ask that? It and the 31 Limited are > > probably my most used lenses... > > > > Cesar > > Panama City, Florida > > in Baltimore, Maryland > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
--- David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do. > > Just like guns don't kill people. > > Cheers, > > Dave > Note to Tom: here I go again... Guns don't kill people; bullets do. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Of course guns don't cause crime, criminals do. Just like guns don't kill people. Cheers, Dave On 1/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned > all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent > crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime > rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling > firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of > something else. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I have a 2.5 yr old and another on the way. So, it'll be a few years yet until I have that little epiphany. -Brendan --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a 15 year old son. He is enabling me to see > my behavior in a new > light. > > HELP, I've created a monster. :-) > > > > Tom C. > > > > >From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) > > > >I can't help it, I've always been something of a > >smartass. > > > >I would stop if I could... > > > >;-] > > > >-Brendan > >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I thought as much. > > > > > > I'm often misunderstood at home, therefore I > always > > > feel the need to > > > re-explain. :-) > > > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > > > >From: Brendan MacRae > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > > >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:00:52 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > >I know...I was being flip. > > > > > > > >;-] > > > > > > > >-Brendan > > > >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Then it really becomes a simple thing to > > > dislike > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > >-Brendan > > > > > > > > > > My point was that people often dislike each > > > other > > > > > because of misconceptions > > > > > and wrong perceptions. We often find that > when > > > we > > > > > get to know someone that > > > > > we are more alike than different, whether > it's > > > our > > > > > next door neighbor, or > > > > > someone from a totally different > > > > > cultural/national/ethnic/racial/religious > > > > > background. > > > > > > > > > > Not all the time, but alot of the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > > > PDML@pdml.net > > > > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > >-- > > > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > >PDML@pdml.net > > > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > PDML@pdml.net > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >-- > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >PDML@pdml.net > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Ahhh, the life of a nomad, And thus Mark spew: I thought you were a Sherpa? Mark, There was no money in it so I have become a nomadic Sherpa :-) Among other things... Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: FS: Pentax SMC-A 35mm f/2
> Since the camera I am using now controls aperture from the body, aperture > ring feel has gone from being no big deal to a total non issue. > > William Robb > Don't poke the bear... -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: How does one unlock an SD card??
That is one of the things I dislike of SD cards. I have two for my Optio S and S4. Both of them have loose switches. I am sure there are plenty of hardship cases with both types of memory, but I have never had a CF ever act up on me. Your mileage will vary, Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland Paul, Look for a little sliding thing on the side of the card. It is a mechanical switch. Regards, Bob S. On 1/8/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One of my SD cards (my lone surviving Transcend 2 gig card) shows up as > > locked when I put it in the K10D. Thus, I can't format it. I suppose I > > may have done something to lock it, although I can't remember what. How > > do I unlock it? HELP!! :-) > > Paul > > > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)
> The problem, Cory, is that the question I was responding to, and > subsequent discussion, was a bona fide question by a new user on how > best to work with his K10D RAW image files. Not all of us are > interested in theoretical pedantry. > My bad... I don't recall the original inquiry. I was originally responding to technical issues of quantization and the "least amount of data loss" in the image processing chain. > There is no "truth in advertising" when it comes to taking a digital > capture and transforming it to a quality rendering. Mathematical > algorithms functions do exactly what they are programmed to do, to > the limits of resolution of the representational medium. One works > with the tools available to produce a pleasing/accurate (take your > pick in whatever proportion you desire) result, regardless of what > "errors" (more precisely, "deviations from theory") might exist. > > Pedantry does not produce photographs. > True. I am quite in the minority as a "technical photographer" as opposed to an "artsy photographer." Most are the latter and whatever looks good is acceptable. I find it difficult to trust my own sense of quality, so I resort to objective means that I can quantify to produce the most colorimetrically accurate and least manipulated images possible. If I choose to apply a filter (blackpoint, whitepoint, curves, levels, usm, greyscale conversion, etc, etc) to the image, I want the operation to be conducted as accurately to the namesake as possible. It's when they are incorrectly labeled that it bothers me. For something as major as linear vs. log, its a huge deal from a data processing standpoint... even if the end result can barely be detected. I am cursed by the fact that I do not trust my own preference for "pleasing/accurate," so I err on the side of accurate. I also understand that most feel the opposite and are appalled at the pedantry. To each their own. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain banned all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), violent crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent crime rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that smuggling firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of something else. K.Takeshita wrote: > On 1/09/07 7:54 PM, "P. J. Alling", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Don't let him fool you they've got lots of guns... >> >> http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/GunControl50.htm >> > > I shoot (but not score :-). > Frank was just symbolic, but gun control here (with its shortfalls) is far > stricter than in U.S. and while crimes using guns are increasing every year, > it is nowhere near U.S.. In fact, the most problem here is illegal guns > brought in from U.S. > While I have been a target shooter for over 30 years, I am all for gun > control, particularly handguns. There is no need of handguns for average > civilians, except for truly serious and competent sports shooters and in > some special situations. > > Canada has a vast rural area where gun possession is prevalent (that's where > most guns are). But vast majority of gun crime occurs in urban area and in > just recent 10 years or so, which is really regrettable. > When we came here, we almost never heard of any gun crime. > > Sigh > > Ken > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I have a 15 year old son. He is enabling me to see my behavior in a new light. HELP, I've created a monster. :-) Tom C. >From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) > >I can't help it, I've always been something of a >smartass. > >I would stop if I could... > >;-] > >-Brendan >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I thought as much. > > > > I'm often misunderstood at home, therefore I always > > feel the need to > > re-explain. :-) > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > >From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:00:52 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >I know...I was being flip. > > > > > >;-] > > > > > >-Brendan > > >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >Then it really becomes a simple thing to > > dislike > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > >-Brendan > > > > > > > > My point was that people often dislike each > > other > > > > because of misconceptions > > > > and wrong perceptions. We often find that when > > we > > > > get to know someone that > > > > we are more alike than different, whether it's > > our > > > > next door neighbor, or > > > > someone from a totally different > > > > cultural/national/ethnic/racial/religious > > > > background. > > > > > > > > Not all the time, but alot of the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > > PDML@pdml.net > > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > > > >__ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >-- > > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > >PDML@pdml.net > > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I can't help it, I've always been something of a smartass. I would stop if I could... ;-] -Brendan --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought as much. > > I'm often misunderstood at home, therefore I always > feel the need to > re-explain. :-) > > Tom C. > > > >From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:00:52 -0800 (PST) > > > >I know...I was being flip. > > > >;-] > > > >-Brendan > >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Then it really becomes a simple thing to > dislike > > > them. > > > > > > > >-Brendan > > > > > > My point was that people often dislike each > other > > > because of misconceptions > > > and wrong perceptions. We often find that when > we > > > get to know someone that > > > we are more alike than different, whether it's > our > > > next door neighbor, or > > > someone from a totally different > > > cultural/national/ethnic/racial/religious > > > background. > > > > > > Not all the time, but alot of the time. > > > > > > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > PDML@pdml.net > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >-- > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >PDML@pdml.net > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
On 1/09/07 7:54 PM, "P. J. Alling", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't let him fool you they've got lots of guns... > > http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/GunControl50.htm I shoot (but not score :-). Frank was just symbolic, but gun control here (with its shortfalls) is far stricter than in U.S. and while crimes using guns are increasing every year, it is nowhere near U.S.. In fact, the most problem here is illegal guns brought in from U.S. While I have been a target shooter for over 30 years, I am all for gun control, particularly handguns. There is no need of handguns for average civilians, except for truly serious and competent sports shooters and in some special situations. Canada has a vast rural area where gun possession is prevalent (that's where most guns are). But vast majority of gun crime occurs in urban area and in just recent 10 years or so, which is really regrettable. When we came here, we almost never heard of any gun crime. Sigh Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Occupations?
Mark Cassino wrote: > These days I work for a non-profit that provides guardian, conservator, > and other advocacy services. Oh, you're a parent? :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I thought as much. I'm often misunderstood at home, therefore I always feel the need to re-explain. :-) Tom C. >From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:00:52 -0800 (PST) > >I know...I was being flip. > >;-] > >-Brendan >--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Then it really becomes a simple thing to dislike > > them. > > > > > >-Brendan > > > > My point was that people often dislike each other > > because of misconceptions > > and wrong perceptions. We often find that when we > > get to know someone that > > we are more alike than different, whether it's our > > next door neighbor, or > > someone from a totally different > > cultural/national/ethnic/racial/religious > > background. > > > > Not all the time, but alot of the time. > > > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: eggs for photos
Hi Tim you may know about that "talent" exchange. It is a complicated way in real life but I like the idea behind it. And I have learned again something about rabbit and chicken breeding today. I know so little about many things ;-) greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim Osleby Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:29 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: eggs for photos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Maurer Sent: 9. januar 2007 17:51 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: eggs for photos >Hi Pentaxians >I just have eaten 3 ultrafresh eggs out of 6 I got today as >some sort of payment for a few photos I made last summer. The words of a pro ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
William Robb wrote: > > Our health care system is pretty mucked up at the moment, Thank you for admitting that. > The feds are commited to universal health care, with no allowance > made for private care. Which I find utterly ridiculous. You should have the option to pay for "better" care. > my impression is > that if you don't have health insurance you are petty much screwed Totally agree, and this is where the US is lacking. We need better universal care but not at the expense of good health care plans. > We may have more long guns per capita I believe knarf wrote "no guns." Long guns IS guns and they kill just as good, if not better than, hand guns. I loved "Bowling for Columbine." (flame retardant suit: ON). :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Eagle And Flag
Proper display of "The Flag" requires the field to be on the right (observers left) as per Title 4 Chapter 1 Paragraph 7 section i and section o of the US Code... i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag’s own right, that is, to the observer’s left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street. or in part o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the union of the flag to the observer’s left upon entering... In a photo I would think that it's not necessary, but still there is tradition... Mark Cassino wrote: > Kenneth Waller wrote: > >> Well done Mark & the orientation of the stars doesn't bother me. >> > > Thanks, Ken. Glad the stars work for you - now that I've raised the > issue, try to count how many times you see them on the right, though. > > - MCC > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
>As for guns... yeah, ok, no guns in Canada? With what do >you guys shoot all the bears, moose, elk, caribou, deer, etc, etc.? (I >believe the stat is more guns in Canada per capita than in the US) > >-- > >Christian It could be archery, most likely though it's chain saws. Everyone up there wears red plaid shirts and hats with earflaps, while we're at it. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
I know...I was being flip. ;-] -Brendan --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Then it really becomes a simple thing to dislike > them. > > > >-Brendan > > My point was that people often dislike each other > because of misconceptions > and wrong perceptions. We often find that when we > get to know someone that > we are more alike than different, whether it's our > next door neighbor, or > someone from a totally different > cultural/national/ethnic/racial/religious > background. > > Not all the time, but alot of the time. > > > Tom C. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
- Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > From what I read, health care might be free up North, but "better" is > debatable. Why do we always hear about so many people coming here for > diagnosis? As for guns... yeah, ok, no guns in Canada? With what do > you guys shoot all the bears, moose, elk, caribou, deer, etc, etc.? (I > believe the stat is more guns in Canada per capita than in the US) Our health care system is pretty mucked up at the moment, with no end in sight. The feds are commited to universal health care, with no allowance made for private care. Overall, we are probably better off, my impression is that if you don't have health insurance you are petty much screwed if something goes wrong with you, but your high end care is way better than ours, providing you can afford it or have a good plan. We may have more long guns per capita as we still have a large northern population that relies on subsistence hunting. You have WAY more hand guns per capita though. Since those are the ones that tend to be used in gun crimes, I'm not unhappy about this. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
frank theriault wrote: > On 1/9/07, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I always wondered what it was like to be canadian. > > It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care and no > guns... From what I read, health care might be free up North, but "better" is debatable. Why do we always hear about so many people coming here for diagnosis? As for guns... yeah, ok, no guns in Canada? With what do you guys shoot all the bears, moose, elk, caribou, deer, etc, etc.? (I believe the stat is more guns in Canada per capita than in the US) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - American Fence
Don't let him fool you they've got lots of guns... http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/GunControl50.htm K.Takeshita wrote: > On 1/09/07 5:13 PM, "frank theriault", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> It's pretty much like being American, but with better health care and no >> guns... >> > > Sounds like utopia ! > > Ken > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Occupations?
Borrowing Doug's words, I'm a reformed photographer. Before that, even though Alan Greenspan reverts to single syllable words when he hears me say it, I was a Banker. These days I work for a non-profit that provides guardian, conservator, and other advocacy services. - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
