Re: SMC-P DA 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3

2007-09-30 Thread John Celio
 http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/camera_lens--
 smc_DA_18-250mm_f.2F.3.5-6.3_ED_AL%28IF%29/reqID--10270314/
 subsection--Digital_35mm_zoom

 It's a re-branded Tamron, but news none-the-less.  Under $500.

 Excellent. Just what we need :-/

You may not need it, but Pentax sure does.  As I said in my other post, a 
lens like this is an instant hit with entry-level photographers, soccer 
moms, and average consumers.  I hope to someday see this lens bundled with a 
K100D or K110D, because then more of the previously mentioned people will 
consider buying a Pentax.

Essentially, it's a good marketing move on Pentax's part.  Plus, don't 
forget that this lens, even though it's built by Tamron, will still have 
Pentax's SMC coatings.  There are other Pentax-rebranded lenses that have 
been better than the original model (Tamron, Tokina, etc) because of this.

John

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Re: PESO: Welcome

2007-09-30 Thread Cotty
On 29/09/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

I shot this for an ad agency client this afternoon. More fun than the  
typical studio product shot.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6475989size=lg

Hmm, not sure if you should have had a 24mm socket where that 22 is..


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Re: PESO: Welcome

2007-09-30 Thread David Savage
Welgome?

Cheers,

Dave ;-P

On 9/30/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I shot this for an ad agency client this afternoon. More fun than the
 typical studio product shot.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6475989size=lg

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2007-09-30 Thread David S.
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RE: High Tide

2007-09-30 Thread Bob W
 
  We had an unusually high tide on the Thames today. I took 
 some photos
  with my mobile phone:
 
  http://www.web-options.com/Tide/
 
 Was it not high enough to justify raising the barrier?
 
 - Dave

I guess not. I don't know what their criteria are for raising it for
real, rather than just a test. This tide was high, but not dangerously
so. The pictures were taken in the 10-15 minutes around the high tide,
according to the tide tables, so it wasn't going to get any higher. 

I have often seen it washing over the riverside path - that's not
particularly unusual, and at its deepest it will lap around your
ankles. Yesterday though it was knee deep at its deepest - the highest
I've seen it in the 13 years I've lived in this area. That's quite a
volume of water.

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Funny observation Saturday

2007-09-30 Thread David J Brooks
Took the 6x7 and 200 f 4 to the Markham fair yesterday. Lovely sunny
day, but not the harsh summer type sun.

I wanted to get some BW shots of the old farm equipment used to
demonstrate how things were done a 100 years ago or so.

I found myself focusing, then holding down the shutter while i
composed, took the shot then immediately looked at the back of the
camera.:-)

Funny how our minds get into a system eh.,

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Re: High Tide

2007-09-30 Thread drew
Bob W wrote:
 We had an unusually high tide on the Thames today. I took 
 some photos
 with my mobile phone:

 http://www.web-options.com/Tide/
 Was it not high enough to justify raising the barrier?

 - Dave
 
 I guess not. I don't know what their criteria are for raising it for
 real, rather than just a test. This tide was high, but not dangerously
 so. The pictures were taken in the 10-15 minutes around the high tide,
 according to the tide tables, so it wasn't going to get any higher. 
 
 I have often seen it washing over the riverside path - that's not
 particularly unusual, and at its deepest it will lap around your
 ankles. Yesterday though it was knee deep at its deepest - the highest
 I've seen it in the 13 years I've lived in this area. That's quite a
 volume of water.
 
 --
  Bob
  

 From the documentaries I have seen,I gather the risk comes when these 
high tides coincide with a storm surge from the north sea. I live in 
Peacehaven, a few miles due south (literally) from Greenwich, driving 
through Newhaven I too noticed it was a really high tide, but sadly my 
320x240 camera phone is not worth taking pictures with.

Nice shots btw...

Drew.

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Re: PESO - an unusual visitor

2007-09-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Cool. I worked in Queensland farm country for three weeks and never  
saw one. I was bummed:-).
Paul
On Sep 29, 2007, at 11:21 PM, John Coyle wrote:

 No, we don't normally have kangaroos in the city streets in  
 Australia, but this was taken in our
 garden just 300 meters from the city centre last night!

 http://tinyurl.com/24wnnd

 I decided to grab the nearest camera and lens, which happened to be  
 the *ist-D fitted with the
 DA16-45, and shot with the RTF - which was also useful for spotting  
 the animal in the dark when
 it was in it's focus-assist role!

 I cropped the shot to about 1/3rd it's original size, as the lens  
 was really too wide - and the
 animal was too nervous to get any closer.  It fled before the  
 second flash, which resulted in a
 nice picture of the path, plants and a tree-trunk, but no wallaby!

 Comments welcome.


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Re: PESO: From my window - 1971

2007-09-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hi Ann,
I mapquested to find the right cross street. But I figured it had to  
be down that way. I do remember the area well. I've been back a few  
times to work at ZEN Music on 25th Street. For a time in the mid  
eighties I worked on 23rd between fifth and sixth -- in the old  
Stern's Department store building, which is now Bozell.
Paul
On Sep 29, 2007, at 11:31 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

 Paul Stenquist wrote:

 821 Sixth is near 28th street. A lot of music studios in that
 neighborhood. Most of them doing commercial work. That would be just
 south of the garment district.
 Paul

 Did you remember taht from when you lived ehre or did you do map quest
 as I did? :) :)
 ann

 Paul
 On Sep 29, 2007, at 9:11 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:



 Well I used to work at 1180 Sixth Ave - which was between 46th and
 47th st -
 821 would be downtown from there a number of blocks and that is the
 west
 side...
 I'm just off 1st ave  - the east side  and farther south  
 than he
 was

 If I'd read your post before I went to the little photo show I just
 got
 back from
 I would have strolled down to see what is there now... I was at 44th
 just west of 6th and 821 is at 28th st  -

 I sent someone on a search for the line

 ann


 Bob W wrote:



 He did a series called As From My Window I Sometimes Glance, in




 which




 he photographed scenes from his apartment in NYC.

 Some of them are here:
 http://tinyurl.com/ypq8zj

 http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=Mod_ViewBoxInse




 rtion.Vie




 wBoxInsertion_VPageR=2S5RYD1974RWRP=Mod_ViewBox.ViewBoxThum




 b_VPageC




 T=StorySP=Story






 OMG -  You know, I never saw these (well, at least that I
 recall) 
 but there are many of the photos I took in the 70's and 80's  
 from my







 window that could have been taken in 1958 as well -- in fact,
 I lived a
 block away from where I live now
 in 1959 for a few months... on 6th street  - well before I got  
 into
 doing photography.   And the Smith photos
 I know well are the coal miners, the kids in the woods, etc
 and um the
 old guy in the boat :)   So mine are
 not by way of an homage.  That second shot sure looks like my  
 'hood.







 I'd love to know what corner that is.

 I have this vague recollection that someone I knew from the days




 when




 the Game Room was in the basement
 next to the Beacon theatre (it is now a bar/club of some
 sort)  lived in
 Smith's building, which I thought was
 then , at least, on the upper west side.





 [...]

 The pictures were taken from 821 Sixth Avenue. I don't know if  
 that's
 near Sixth Street. Apparently the building was once a brothel, but
 was
 rented cheap by jazz musicians and other arty bohemian  Beat  
 types.
 Smith also did a series called The Loft From The Inside In, in  
 which
 he photographed the people who lived there and passed by.

 http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?
 VP=Mod_ViewBoxInsertion.Vie
 wBoxInsertion_VPageR=2S5RYD52NHBRP=Mod_ViewBox.ViewBoxThumb_VPage 
 C
 T
 =StorySP=Story





 Well - now  the question is (and I googled first to no avail)
 where did
 that title come from?  surely a line
 of verse...




 I think Smith invented the title. His photography was great, but  
 his
 prose was leaden and portentous - which I think that title is.





 The character of the east village is being rapidly destroyed
 by the NYU
 high rise dorms and luxury buildings
 It is beginning to get a little scary on a number of levels.

 You can tell I just got up -- I'm running off at the keyboard !

 ann




 It looks like a great area. It's a shame these places get  
 ruined. I'm
 living in an area which I love at the moment, but already it's
 starting to be surrounded by more and more high rises.

 Bob








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Re: Storing Prints

2007-09-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
I frame a few, I sell a few, I give a lot away, and the rest get  
packed in big boxes and stored on shelves in my dehumidified  
basement. To be forgotten and rediscovered some rainy day.
Paul
On Sep 29, 2007, at 11:02 PM, Mike Hamilton wrote:

 I've been printing more of my photos, and I'm gathering a collection
 of them now.  I matte each photo with matte board (no foam core), but
 now I'm facing an issue of storage.  What do you all do with your
 printed photographs?

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Re: PESO: Welcome

2007-09-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hey, it's a C-Clamp. You have to use your imagination:-).
Paul
On Sep 30, 2007, at 3:17 AM, David Savage wrote:

 Welgome?

 Cheers,

 Dave ;-P

 On 9/30/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I shot this for an ad agency client this afternoon. More fun than the
 typical studio product shot.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6475989size=lg

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Re: PESO: Welcome

2007-09-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Cotty. Actually, they're all SAE sockets. It's probably a  
3/4:-). While a lot of the tools are new, I used some of my old  
sockets and ratchets. They're all at least forty years old. Most were  
used when I bought them forty years ago. Thankfully, my '55 chevy is  
put together SAE nuts and bolts. Us old folks have to stick together:-).
Paul
On Sep 30, 2007, at 3:00 AM, Cotty wrote:

 On 29/09/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I shot this for an ad agency client this afternoon. More fun than the
 typical studio product shot.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6475989size=lg

 Hmm, not sure if you should have had a 24mm socket where that 22 is..


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Re: GESO -- Theatre of Dreams

2007-09-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Some nice pics. I especially like the paned window. Pretty gallery.
Paul
On Sep 30, 2007, at 1:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I took these pictures about 14 months ago.

 Where I live, Contra Costa County, doesn't have much that is old  
 and  funky.
 Expect for Port Costa, a tiny town beyond Martinez. At one time it  
 was a
 major port in the California SF Bay Area, now it no longer has a  
 pier and it's
 population is about 100-150 or less, probably the smallest town in  
 the area. One
  of the oldest too -- it only has about three buildings on each  
 side of the
 main  street (which is almost unpaved, because it has so many  
 potholes). There
 is one  restaurant people go to, but that is about the only surviving
 business.

 Its so small one would think it hasn't much to shoot... on the  
 other  hand
 it's sort of a surreal little  town.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/THEATRE/index.html

 Comments  welcome.

 These are not my best but I haven't shown any for a while,  haven't  
 shot for
 a while, and went through my archives and thought these were   
 passable. I hope
 to get back to Port Costa to try again one of these  days.

 Marnie  Parker


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Re: PESO: Welcome

2007-09-30 Thread David Savage
On 9/30/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Us old folks have to stick together:-).

I'm just a young pup, compared to some of you guys ;-), who grew up
with the metric system, and I think in inches when it comes to
tinkering in the shed, such as,

http://picasaweb.google.com/OzSavage/PanningBase/photo?authkey=4sOXhUco0RI#5110752353782881442

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Welcome

2007-09-30 Thread David Savage
But, but, but...it's a G-clamp.

:-)

Cheers,

Dave

On 9/30/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey, it's a C-Clamp. You have to use your imagination:-).
 Paul
 On Sep 30, 2007, at 3:17 AM, David Savage wrote:

  Welgome?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Dave ;-P
 
  On 9/30/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I shot this for an ad agency client this afternoon. More fun than the
  typical studio product shot.
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6475989size=lg

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Re: Camera Leather

2007-09-30 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
Scott Loveless wrote:
 Cotty wrote:
   
 On topic for a change!

 Interesting site - have a look:

 http://www.cameraleather.com/

 
 Ugh.  I really like their stuff.  And so does Cesar, apparently.  Since 
 getting the 645 I thought it would look rather dashing in some new 
 clothes, like the Hassy 501 cameras in the special edition colors that 
 were available a few years ago.  Alas, cameraleather doesn't offer skins 
 for the 645, nor do they offer anything in skittle yellow.  I wonder, 
 if I sent my camera to him.nah.

   
Hey there Scott,

Give me a moment to chat with Derby (he has experience re-skinning a 645 :-)

It is an interesting choice of color, are you trying for some eye candy?
I have two 645n cameras.  Maybe I should consider re-skinning one of them.

Currently with only three re-skinned LXen,

Cesar
Panama City, Florida



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Re: GESO -- Theatre of Dreams

2007-09-30 Thread Derby Chang
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I took these pictures about 14 months ago.  

 Where I live, Contra Costa County, doesn't have much that is old and  funky. 
 Expect for Port Costa, a tiny town beyond Martinez. At one time it was a  
 major port in the California SF Bay Area, now it no longer has a pier and 
 it's  
 population is about 100-150 or less, probably the smallest town in the area. 
 One 
  of the oldest too -- it only has about three buildings on each side of the 
 main  street (which is almost unpaved, because it has so many potholes). 
 There 
 is one  restaurant people go to, but that is about the only surviving 
 business.  

 Its so small one would think it hasn't much to shoot... on the other  hand 
 it's sort of a surreal little  town.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/THEATRE/index.html

 Comments  welcome. 

 These are not my best but I haven't shown any for a while,  haven't shot for 
 a while, and went through my archives and thought these were  passable. I 
 hope 
 to get back to Port Costa to try again one of these  days.

 Marnie  Parker

   

I like it as a series. Without no people, and the enigmatic title, it 
feels like an eerie twilight zone ghost town.

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Re: Camera Leather

2007-09-30 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
Hmm, it has been a while since I have visited the site.  I have put much 
on hold while being up north.
I probably should fill in him...

Once I put the cobra on an LX I found that I enjoyed the 'feel' of the 
camera much more.  Especially as I would step in and out of air 
conditioned places.  It never felt that the LX would slip from my hand.

I must comment that I have had all sorts of comments about the cobra 
LX.  I found that females really like the look.  Of course some squirmed 
once they found out the source but even they came around. 
I recall Eleanor (former PDMLer) at our San Antonio PDML get-together 
finally warming to the camera and actually sitting close to it :-)

As to before ordering the cobra skin, I would think it is the exotic 
nature of it.  The 'patina' that happens with the skin gives the camera 
character.
I would send a link to a picture of the current state of my LXen, but 
they are currently up north while I sit here in the south.

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

Bob Sullivan wrote:
 Interesting comment under the cobra skin...
 Very popular and I don't know why
 Cesar, you've got to tell him!
 Regards, Bob S.

 On 9/27/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 On topic for a change!

 Interesting site - have a look:

 http://www.cameraleather.com/

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Re: Funny observation Saturday

2007-09-30 Thread Glen Tortorella
Yes, I know what you mean.  I recently purchased an OEM hood for one  
of my lenses.  I have been inclined to use just a filter, and so I  
have already forgotten to use the hood on several outdoor shots.   
When I go out, I must think hood, think hood. :-)

Glen

On Sep 30, 2007, at 6:27 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 Took the 6x7 and 200 f 4 to the Markham fair yesterday. Lovely sunny
 day, but not the harsh summer type sun.

 I wanted to get some BW shots of the old farm equipment used to
 demonstrate how things were done a 100 years ago or so.

 I found myself focusing, then holding down the shutter while i
 composed, took the shot then immediately looked at the back of the
 camera.:-)

 Funny how our minds get into a system eh.,

 Dave

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OT: Headed back home.

2007-09-30 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
Good day to one and all.

Well, the day is finally upon me.  I currently find myself at my house 
in Florida.
It appears that my stint up north is over - woohoo!
I will be starting my new job on the 8th.  I will be working 
'temporarily' for a couple of weeks until I 'decide' that I truly want 
the job.  Then I will go up north once more to do the final move back.

I will be with the same company so all my benefits remain intact.

I apologize to all for being a hermit during my stint up north.  My life 
has been a turmoil and I have been delinquent in keeping up with my 
friends - to include the family that is this list.

Sorry for the bandwith, I just wanted to let quite a few of you know in 
one message.  The rest of you just ignore the ramble.

Maybe I can start taking more pictures now that I am in a better state 
of mind,

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

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Re: Camera Leather

2007-09-30 Thread Derby Chang
Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
 Scott Loveless wrote:
   
 Cotty wrote:
   
 
 On topic for a change!

 Interesting site - have a look:

 http://www.cameraleather.com/

 
   
 Ugh.  I really like their stuff.  And so does Cesar, apparently.  Since 
 getting the 645 I thought it would look rather dashing in some new 
 clothes, like the Hassy 501 cameras in the special edition colors that 
 were available a few years ago.  Alas, cameraleather doesn't offer skins 
 for the 645, nor do they offer anything in skittle yellow.  I wonder, 
 if I sent my camera to him.nah.

   
 
 Hey there Scott,

 Give me a moment to chat with Derby (he has experience re-skinning a 645 :-)

 It is an interesting choice of color, are you trying for some eye candy?
 I have two 645n cameras.  Maybe I should consider re-skinning one of them.

 Currently with only three re-skinned LXen,

 Cesar
 Panama City, Florida



   

Only three ! :)

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Nice little blog - Kirk Tuck

2007-09-30 Thread Derby Chang

I think I like this guy. This line makes me smile:
Tri-X was the greatest industrial acheivement of the 20th century

He has a 645N kit and is a foodie.

http://www.thatsmymonkey.com/0222spotlight.html

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Re: OT: Headed back home.

2007-09-30 Thread David Savage
On 9/30/07, Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It appears that my stint up north is over - woohoo!

Woohoo indeed.

Cheers,

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My view once again.

2007-09-30 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
As I stated in my previous post, I am back home.  This should be for 
quite a while.
After sending my last message I went out to my back porch - it is nice 
and cool out.
This is my view:

http://groups.msn.com/myrugbypictures/backyard.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=79

http://tinyurl.com/37qwm7

Excuse the partially mowed yard - I ran out of time yesterday :-)

It is just a snapshot - but I will accept any comments.

The photo was taken with my *ist D with a Pentax-M 20mm f/4 at 1/160sec f/8.

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Re: Spam: My view once again.

2007-09-30 Thread Derby Chang
Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
 As I stated in my previous post, I am back home.  This should be for 
 quite a while.
 After sending my last message I went out to my back porch - it is nice 
 and cool out.
 This is my view:

 http://groups.msn.com/myrugbypictures/backyard.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=79

 http://tinyurl.com/37qwm7

 Excuse the partially mowed yard - I ran out of time yesterday :-)

 It is just a snapshot - but I will accept any comments.

 The photo was taken with my *ist D with a Pentax-M 20mm f/4 at 1/160sec f/8.

 Cesar
 Panama City, Florida

   

Nice backyard pool you have there, Cesar. Welgome back.

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Re: GESO -- Theatre of Dreams

2007-09-30 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/30/2007 4:18:59 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
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Some nice pics. I  especially like the paned window. Pretty  gallery.
Paul

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Re: GESO -- Theatre of Dreams

2007-09-30 Thread ann sanfedele
I love this little essay ,  Marnie  ---
and I want to go there NOW :)

If I had one tiny nit is that I probably would have shot the mail box 
closeup straight-on  - but the light may have
made that not work - (like if your shadow fell on the boxes and didn't 
help it)  likewise the door with number 5 on it, but that
isn't clear either because of the fall of light...   but the group works 
wonderfully  and I love love lvoe places like that.

ann


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I took these pictures about 14 months ago.  

Where I live, Contra Costa County, doesn't have much that is old and  funky. 
Expect for Port Costa, a tiny town beyond Martinez. At one time it was a  
major port in the California SF Bay Area, now it no longer has a pier and it's 
 
population is about 100-150 or less, probably the smallest town in the area. 
One 
 of the oldest too -- it only has about three buildings on each side of the 
main  street (which is almost unpaved, because it has so many potholes). There 
is one  restaurant people go to, but that is about the only surviving 
business.  

Its so small one would think it hasn't much to shoot... on the other  hand 
it's sort of a surreal little  town.

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/THEATRE/index.html

Comments  welcome. 

These are not my best but I haven't shown any for a while,  haven't shot for 
a while, and went through my archives and thought these were  passable. I hope 
to get back to Port Costa to try again one of these  days.

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Re: GESO -- Theatre of Dreams

2007-09-30 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/30/2007 5:43:29 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
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I like it as a series.  Without no people, and the enigmatic title, it 
feels like an eerie twilight  zone ghost town.

D


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Thanks, it did feel sort of  like that. I went on a Sunday and nothing was 
open except one bar and one  restaurant. But it doesn't have much business 
anyway, so I suspect some of the  ones I saw, were actually, out of business. I 
saw 
some people later, but for a  lot of the time I was there I didn't see 
any/many.

So what you got is  sort of what I was trying to convey. :-)

Marnie aka Doe  The hotel  seemed lived in though, probably the cheapest 
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Re: Fuji or Kodak?

2007-09-30 Thread Rebekah
Yes, Fuji is very good, particularly in dim lighting (this was my
experience with the 800 speed variety).  Wow, you shoot down to 1/4
with the 400 speed...no blur?  I loaded a roll of the 400 in my
camera today.  I just took a picture of my one year-old getting a
bath, and I I thought I was pushing it ay 1/45...


Sure, sometimes I get blur, but usually I get pretty sharp pictures
even when I'm taking slow pictures, as long as the subject isn't
moving ;) and if I do get it a bit blurry most of the time it's in a
picture where I don't mind.  My camera only takes pictures down to 1s,
but I usually don't go that slow.  Here's a picture taken at ½s that
isn't too bad.

http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo?authkey=W1C-i05p28o#5116002907034854178

For me, it's hard not to shift my hands when I press the shutter
button.  It probably goes back to that you should use a tripod
argument.  I used to use 800 speed kodak exclusively but I guess I was
never quite satisfied with the sharpness so I ended up trying to take
my pictures slower.  I haven't tried 800 Fuji of any type, but your
approval of it makes me curious.  Do you have a steady hand?  Or do
you have a fast lens? I hope your bath picture comes out well :)

rg2


On 9/29/07, Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, Fuji is very good, particularly in dim lighting (this was my
 experience with the 800 speed variety).  Wow, you shoot down to 1/4
 with the 400 speed...no blur?  I loaded a roll of the 400 in my
 camera today.  I just took a picture of my one year-old getting a
 bath, and I I thought I was pushing it ay 1/45...

 Thanks,
 Glen

 On Sep 29, 2007, at 7:44 PM, Rebekah wrote:

  BTW Glen -
 
  I usually take my pictures with available light and use 400 speed fuji
  or kodak gold, and I really feel like the Fuji outperforms the Kodak
  in low light situations.  Its contrast and grain hold up even when I'm
  taking dim indoor pictures at 1/30 or even 1/4s.  I like Kodak much
  better in outdoor light but I have to say I'm always disappointed by
  it when the light isn't perfect.
 
  rg2
 
  On 9/29/07, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Bill Owens wrote:
  When I could get it, I shot Agfa 200.  Otherwise I shot Fuji
  Superia 200,
  though I think Kodak Gold 200 is also excellent.  I liked Agfa
  because it
  seemed to render neutral colors more naturally.
 
  Bill
 
 
 
 
  Has anyone seen the resurrected Agfafilm in the flesh? Doesn't
  look like
  they are resurrecting Portrait or Ultra though :(
 
  http://www.lupus-imaging-media.com/content/blogcategory/16/31/
  lang,en/
 
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Re: Storing Prints

2007-09-30 Thread Rebekah
Honestly?  I've got them all stashed in a big photo box

rg2

On 9/30/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I frame a few, I sell a few, I give a lot away, and the rest get
 packed in big boxes and stored on shelves in my dehumidified
 basement. To be forgotten and rediscovered some rainy day.
 Paul
 On Sep 29, 2007, at 11:02 PM, Mike Hamilton wrote:

  I've been printing more of my photos, and I'm gathering a collection
  of them now.  I matte each photo with matte board (no foam core), but
  now I'm facing an issue of storage.  What do you all do with your
  printed photographs?
 
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Re: Southeast US ?

2007-09-30 Thread Rebekah
Hey, I'm going next Sunday if anyone's interested, if anyone decides
to come I'll serve up some homemade lasagna and maybe a decent wine.
Weather should be good (sunny, warm but not hot) and I plan on hitting
up the entire park there - Magnolia garden, the swamp garden, and
everything in between including the boat tour of the swamps.

rg2

On 9/7/07, Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  looks interesting, and I'm close enough to do that for a weekend
 trip, but my schedule is pretty well full up in October.  Maybe in the
 spring?

 I also want to try to get time to do a War Tour: Savannah (8th Air
 Force Museum), Charleston (Yorktown and related ship tours plus Civil
 War stuff), and Wilmington (USS North Carolina).  I figure I'd take
 about a week to do that trip.

 Sounds good to me - the Yorktown is gorgeous, I've seen it but never
 been on it.  If we go to the Yorktown, then we'll have to cross the
 new bridge they completed only recently.  I've driven across it but
 I'd like to walk across it someday, it offers great views of the
 river, the Yorktown, Charleston, and of course, the bridge itself it
 quite photoworthy.

 http://ravenelbridge.net/

 http://ss.charleston.net/xcop/index.asp

 rg2

 On 9/6/07, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Rebekah wrote:
 
   Is anyone in the southeast US interested in getting together to check
   out the Audubon Swamp Garden, and possibly the Magnolia Plantation?
   It looks like an interesting place to snap a few shots, I'm thinking
   early October.
 
  It looks interesting, and I'm close enough to do that for a weekend
  trip, but my schedule is pretty well full up in October.  Maybe in the
  spring?
 
  I also want to try to get time to do a War Tour: Savannah (8th Air
  Force Museum), Charleston (Yorktown and related ship tours plus Civil
  War stuff), and Wilmington (USS North Carolina).  I figure I'd take
  about a week to do that trip.
 
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Re: Storing Prints

2007-09-30 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/30/2007 7:51:37 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Honestly?  I've got  them all stashed in a big photo  box

rg2


===
Me too actually, I didn't take  enough film to have that many film pictures. 
I have more slide pictures. For the  negatives/prints, I went out and got an 
acid free box and acid free photo  sleeves. I got all my slides developed in 
the same place, at a good lab, and I  am pretty sure all the little boxes they 
are in are acid free too. The same  cannot be said for my old photo albums and 
I keep thinking I need to do  something about that (those, however, are not 
pictures I took  :-)).

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Re: PESO - an unusual visitor

2007-09-30 Thread Rebekah
That thing is adorable - I bet they're a nuisance tho.  Nice grab!

rg2

On 9/30/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cool. I worked in Queensland farm country for three weeks and never
 saw one. I was bummed:-).
 Paul
 On Sep 29, 2007, at 11:21 PM, John Coyle wrote:

  No, we don't normally have kangaroos in the city streets in
  Australia, but this was taken in our
  garden just 300 meters from the city centre last night!
 
  http://tinyurl.com/24wnnd
 
  I decided to grab the nearest camera and lens, which happened to be
  the *ist-D fitted with the
  DA16-45, and shot with the RTF - which was also useful for spotting
  the animal in the dark when
  it was in it's focus-assist role!
 
  I cropped the shot to about 1/3rd it's original size, as the lens
  was really too wide - and the
  animal was too nervous to get any closer.  It fled before the
  second flash, which resulted in a
  nice picture of the path, plants and a tree-trunk, but no wallaby!
 
  Comments welcome.
 
 
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Re: GESO -- Theatre of Dreams

2007-09-30 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/30/2007 7:40:46 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I love this little essay  ,  Marnie  ---
and I want to go there NOW :)

If I had one  tiny nit is that I probably would have shot the mail box 
closeup  straight-on  - but the light may have
made that not work - (like if your  shadow fell on the boxes and didn't 
help it)  likewise the door with  number 5 on it, but that
isn't clear either because of the fall of  light...   but the group works 
wonderfully  and I love love  lvoe places like that.

ann



Thanks, ann. I felt  I did a lot of things not quite right, which is why I 
want to go back. I shot  too wide angle on some, didn't have the right lenses 
along, and the other major  thing was it was not good lighting, too harsh, not 
the right time of day. I also  didn't spend enough time setting up my shots. 
It's kind of off the beaten path,  takes time to get to, so I've been aiming to 
go back for about a year and try  again and haven't made it yet.
(Comment about mail boxes has been made  before, that is because I think I 
only took the wide angle with me that day. I  agree. One of the things I want 
to 
redo.) I have actually improved  photographically this past year too and when 
I look at these I feel I could  probably do better now.

So do I (love places like that) and we don't have  many like that in this 
county. I bet lots don't know, really, that it is there.  When I took the 
mailboxes, BTW, that is when I saw one person (I saw about 4).  Even though it 
was 
Sunday she was picking up her mail. I asked her about the  boxes, she said a 
lot 
of people still pick up their mail at the boxes, it's a  way to meet, greet, 
and catch up with people. I got a kick out of  that.

Thanks for looking.

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Re: Storing Prints

2007-09-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 29, 2007, at 8:02 PM, Mike Hamilton wrote:

 I've been printing more of my photos, and I'm gathering a collection
 of them now.  I matte each photo with matte board (no foam core), but
 now I'm facing an issue of storage.  What do you all do with your
 printed photographs?

I only keep a few matted or framed prints around, the mats are bulky  
and heavy, take up a lot of space which I don't have to spare. I  
usually make prints to order when they need to be matted and framed.

I do print a lot, however. I've got a number of portfolio style books  
for when I want to carry them around but I've come to hate looking at  
or showing my prints through transparent plastic sleeves. Last year I  
found the Century Boxes, archival print boxes available in a variety  
of sizes. They're nicely made, not too too horridly expensive, and  
are good for both storage and presentation. I found that ordering  
direct from the company saves a good bit over buying locally:

http://www.centuryboxes.com/

There are other, less expensive boxes suitable for storing and  
transporting mounted/matted work available. Light Impressions carries  
some, other vendors have them too.

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Re: How much do you sell your prints for?

2007-09-30 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/26/2007 12:05:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I get $25 each for anything published in Horse  Sport magazine.

Not sure if its the regular rate, or its ther your the  new guy rate.:-)

Dave


I've only sold one print,  for $100. But it was big (frame 16x20?, something 
like that). In a photo show I  was in where I sold it (a year ago), I priced 
most of my prints between $25-50.  There were four photographers in the show 
and I had the lowest prices. It is  true that mainly just covered my paper and 
frames, but I figured I had a better  chance to sell that way.

I'll probably hug knowledge of that sale to me  forever. 
 
The one who sold best was selling lots of small ones, framed, I think they  
were 4X6, or 5x7. Can't remember what she charged. Also photo cards (photos on  
stationary). Everyone, including me, was displaying larger. But I think her  
prices were right.
 
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Re: Borderless printing with Epson

2007-09-30 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/29/2007 10:20:51 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 This has been true  of all the Epson drivers I've used. It's annoying,
 for sure; makes  dimensioning anything accurately a real PITA.

Yes, I noticed the same  thing with my 2100.  In fact, I have a little  
note on my monitor:  do not use borderless with roll paper! :)

I haven't printed on cut  sheets for a long time but it wouldn't  
surprise me if they're affected  too.

- Dave

=
If I frame, I never print borderless  anymore (Epson R1800, 925 before that). 
(I'll still do it sometimes for snaps).  It does resize for borderless 
somehow and I feel I have no control over what it  is doing. Actually these 
days I 
tend to print on paper much larger than the  print, that way there is no 
resizing at all.

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Re: My view once again.

2007-09-30 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/30/2007 6:45:40 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As I stated in my  previous post, I am back home.  This should be for 
quite a  while.
After sending my last message I went out to my back porch - it is nice  
and cool out.
This is my  view:

http://groups.msn.com/myrugbypictures/backyard.msnw?action
=ShowPhotoPhotoID=79

http://tinyurl.com/37qwm7

Excuse  the partially mowed yard - I ran out of time yesterday :-)

It is just a  snapshot - but I will accept any comments.

The photo was taken with my  *ist D with a Pentax-M 20mm f/4 at 1/160sec f/8.

Cesar
Panama City,  Florida

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Surprised by the pines (Florida?). Looks like a  great place to live, envious.

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PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Tom C
I met Larry Levy yesterday in Dallas.  He was kind enough to show me around 
the town in the afternoon.  We went to the Farmers Market and viewed some 
some of the downtown architecture.

We both share an appreciation of Gilbert  Sullivan, Thelonious Monk, and 
Maynard Ferguson, though I'm sure he's far more knowledgeable on the 
subjects.

A shot from the market.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477862

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Re: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Jack Davis
Nicely balanced selection of produce. Well rendered.
I MIGHT have liked it a tad more if the upper left corner area had been
more vegi filled.

Jack
--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I met Larry Levy yesterday in Dallas.  He was kind enough to show me
 around 
 the town in the afternoon.  We went to the Farmers Market and viewed
 some 
 some of the downtown architecture.
 
 We both share an appreciation of Gilbert  Sullivan, Thelonious Monk,
 and 
 Maynard Ferguson, though I'm sure he's far more knowledgeable on the 
 subjects.
 
 A shot from the market.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477862
 
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PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Tom C
Updated Link...

I met Larry Levy yesterday in Dallas.  He was kind enough to show me around
the town in the afternoon.  We went to the Farmers Market and viewed some
some of the downtown architecture.

We both share an appreciation of Gilbert  Sullivan, Thelonious Monk, and
Maynard Ferguson, though I'm sure he's far more knowledgeable on the
subjects.

A shot from the market.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477902

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Re: GESO -- Theatre of Dreams

2007-09-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
This is an appealing gallery of photos. I get the feeling of a lost  
or abandoned town from them, the lack of people in the photos and the  
lighting you chose to capture asserts that.

Of the set, my favorite is pic16 ... the brass doors and the road  
sign. It seems to say more than the others to me.

Interesting place ... I'll have to look it up, might be worth a photo  
expedition or a NorCal PDML gathering ... ? ;-)

Godfrey


On Sep 29, 2007, at 10:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I took these pictures about 14 months ago.

 Where I live, Contra Costa County, doesn't have much that is old  
 and  funky.
 Expect for Port Costa, a tiny town beyond Martinez. At one time it  
 was a
 major port in the California SF Bay Area, now it no longer has a  
 pier and it's
 population is about 100-150 or less, probably the smallest town in  
 the area. One
  of the oldest too -- it only has about three buildings on each  
 side of the
 main  street (which is almost unpaved, because it has so many  
 potholes). There
 is one  restaurant people go to, but that is about the only surviving
 business.

 Its so small one would think it hasn't much to shoot... on the  
 other  hand
 it's sort of a surreal little  town.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/THEATRE/index.html

 Comments  welcome.

 These are not my best but I haven't shown any for a while,  haven't  
 shot for
 a while, and went through my archives and thought these were   
 passable. I hope
 to get back to Port Costa to try again one of these  days.


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Re: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread David Savage
That link doesn't work. I keep getting this message:

Problem with Your Input
We had a problem processing your entry:

  This photo doesn't exist. (The owner has probably deleted it.)

However this one does:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477902

:-)

I like the colours.

Cheers,

Dave

On 9/30/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I met Larry Levy yesterday in Dallas.  He was kind enough to show me around
 the town in the afternoon.  We went to the Farmers Market and viewed some
 some of the downtown architecture.

 We both share an appreciation of Gilbert  Sullivan, Thelonious Monk, and
 Maynard Ferguson, though I'm sure he's far more knowledgeable on the
 subjects.

 A shot from the market.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477862

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Re: Storing Prints

2007-09-30 Thread David Savage
I keep my prints in either old Inkjet paper boxes or manila folders
scattered throughout the house :-)

Cheers,

Dave

On 9/30/07, Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been printing more of my photos, and I'm gathering a collection
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 now I'm facing an issue of storage.  What do you all do with your
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Re: My view once again.

2007-09-30 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 9/30/2007 6:45:40 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 As I stated in my  previous post, I am back home.  This should be for 
 quite a  while.
 After sending my last message I went out to my back porch - it is nice  
 and cool out.
 This is my  view:

 http://groups.msn.com/myrugbypictures/backyard.msnw?action
 =ShowPhotoPhotoID=79

 http://tinyurl.com/37qwm7

 Excuse  the partially mowed yard - I ran out of time yesterday :-)

 It is just a  snapshot - but I will accept any comments.

 The photo was taken with my  *ist D with a Pentax-M 20mm f/4 at 1/160sec f/8.

 Cesar
 Panama City,  Florida

 ==
 Surprised by the pines (Florida?). Looks like a  great place to live, envious.

 Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Marnie,

As you drive along the interior all you see are pine trees.  Of course 
the main reason is that the company that owns the paper mill seems to 
own at least one third of the county and they have their quick-growing 
trees to farm.
Which brings up the question of whether the pine trees that I see around 
are indigenous or a result of all the tree farms...

Even with the threat of hurricanes, this is a good place to live - still.

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

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Re: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Tom C
Thanks Jack.  Yeah that's the weak part of it I guess.  Loathe to clone 
though. Overall rather difficult to shoot.  Relatively low light, requiring 
small aperture for DOF and consequent slow shutter speed.  People milling 
around, so even though I didn't have a tripod it would have been hard to 
use.

It was an enjoyable afternoon.

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From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: PESO - Farmers Market
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:36:42 -0700 (PDT)

Nicely balanced selection of produce. Well rendered.
I MIGHT have liked it a tad more if the upper left corner area had been
more vegi filled.

Jack
--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I met Larry Levy yesterday in Dallas.  He was kind enough to show me
  around
  the town in the afternoon.  We went to the Farmers Market and viewed
  some
  some of the downtown architecture.
 
  We both share an appreciation of Gilbert  Sullivan, Thelonious Monk,
  and
  Maynard Ferguson, though I'm sure he's far more knowledgeable on the
  subjects.
 
  A shot from the market.
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477862
 
  Tom C.
 
 
 
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OT: Pedantry (RE: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Bob W
 
 
 A shot from the market.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477862
 

Got a big 404 on that.

Somebody ought to teach photo.net how to write error messages, and the
rudiments of English grammar. Their message is

Problem with Your Input
We had a problem processing your entry: 
This photo doesn't exist. (The owner has probably deleted it.) 
Please back up using your browser, correct it, and resubmit your
entry. 

I can't begin to count the number of ways in which that is wrong.

But let me try.

Problem with your input - blame the user

We had a problem processing your entry My entry? Is that the same as
my input, or are there 2 problems? Which is it - input or entry?
Besides, I didn't enter anything, and I don't think I provided any
input. I clicked a link.

This photo doesn't exist - bad grammar. 'This' photo must exist.
Besides,  I asked for a page, not a photo. If the page I asked for
doesn't exist, don't use 'this'.

Please back up using your browser,  Uh? What does that mean? Do I
have to restore using my browser too?

correct it,  - correct my browser? There's something wrong with my
browser too? 

and resubmit your entry - but you told me you had a problem
processing it. What's changed that I should resubmit it?

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RE: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Bob W
That looks nice. 

What it needs is a town full of tossers:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7020354.stm

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Tom C
 Sent: 30 September 2007 16:36
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO - Farmers Market
 
 Updated Link...
 
 I met Larry Levy yesterday in Dallas.  He was kind enough to 
 show me around
 the town in the afternoon.  We went to the Farmers Market and 
 viewed some
 some of the downtown architecture.
 
 We both share an appreciation of Gilbert  Sullivan, 
 Thelonious Monk, and
 Maynard Ferguson, though I'm sure he's far more knowledgeable on the
 subjects.
 
 A shot from the market.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477902
 
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Re: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread ann sanfedele
Tom C wrote:

Updated Link...

I met Larry Levy yesterday in Dallas.  He was kind enough to show me around
the town in the afternoon.  We went to the Farmers Market and viewed some
some of the downtown architecture.

We both share an appreciation of Gilbert  Sullivan, Thelonious Monk, and
Maynard Ferguson, though I'm sure he's far more knowledgeable on the
subjects.

A shot from the market.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477902

Tom C.

  

I knew I had somewhere to go today 

Nice shot of a nicely arranged bunch of produce - I presume  credit for 
the arrange ment goes to the seller :)
ann


  




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Re: PESO: Rugby

2007-09-30 Thread Patrick Genovese
He did Get it but unfortunately the shot with the tackle is really
really messy and a bit out of focus to boot.

Rgds

Patrick

On 9/28/07, Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wow, nicely caught and framed.  Looks like that guy in blue is
 seriously about to get it.  Great colors too.

 rg2

 On 9/28/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 9/28/07, Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6471235
  
   Comments/critique welcome :-)
  
 
  One hell of a shot!!
 
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Re: PESO: Rugby

2007-09-30 Thread Patrick Genovese
You are right it looks a bit dark.  But my original is fine.  I can't
figure out why but all the stuff I upload to photo.net ends up looking
darker than my original files.

Rgds

Patrick

On 9/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6471235

 Comments/critique  welcome :-)


 Regards

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 Good capture, good action moment, good  timing. I'd go in with
 PS/Elements/something and lighten up the shadows a bit  though, very dark on 
 my monitor.

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Re: OT: Pedantry (RE: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I like the way you think, Bob. ;-)

G

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 Somebody ought to teach photo.net how to write error messages, and the
 rudiments of English grammar. 
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Re: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 30, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Tom C wrote:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477902

Nice photo. I agree about the upper left's sparseness, however.

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Re: OT: Pedantry (RE: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Boris Liberman
Spoken like a true Brit ;-).

On 9/30/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a big 404 on that.

 Somebody ought to teach photo.net how to write error messages, and the
 rudiments of English grammar. Their message is
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Re: GESO -- Theatre of Dreams

2007-09-30 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/30/2007 8:19:23 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is an appealing gallery  of photos. I get the feeling of a lost  
or abandoned town from them,  the lack of people in the photos and the  
lighting you chose to capture  asserts that.

Of the set, my favorite is pic16 ... the brass doors and  the road  
sign. It seems to say more than the others to  me.

Interesting place ... I'll have to look it up, might be worth a  photo  
expedition or a NorCal PDML gathering ... ?  ;-)

Godfrey

=
Not big enough, really, even stretching  it out an hour max (and that would 
be stretching). Also it's so tiny we'd be  tripping over each other taking 
shots. I've thought of it and ruled it  out.

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Re: High Tide

2007-09-30 Thread graywolf
Must be global warming.

BTW, I recently came across a reference that claimed the rise in sea level from 
the ice age was in the order of 300-400 feet.


Bob W wrote:
 We had an unusually high tide on the Thames today. I took 
 some photos
 with my mobile phone:

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Re: PESO ... A Rose by Any Other Name...

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Nice, Totally found, or did you arrange the petals a little?

Tom C wrote:
 Outside a Florist's shop.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6468680

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Re: Developer Turned Black [Was: Sad state of Photo Stores]

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
I've misplaced both my Falcon air evac bottles and my marbles.

graywolf wrote:
 Har!!!

 Scott Loveless wrote:
   
 Marbles.

 P. J. Alling wrote:
 
 Falcon air evac bottles.

 1/2 gallon
 http://tinyurl.com/2kctld
 full gallon
 http://tinyurl.com/399yud

 Bob Blakely wrote:
   
 It would be nice if the bottles had bladders so that they could be capped 
 half used without any air to oxidize the contents.

 Regards,
 Bob...
 
 Life isn't like a box of chocolates . .
 it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
 What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow.

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 Well, chemistry is available, mostly for students, but not what I was
 looking for. I hate to throw away half used bottles of developer because
 they've turned black.


   
 
 

   


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RE: High Tide

2007-09-30 Thread Bob W
There have been much higher tides. One of the sea walls near my house
records several floods in the last century which would have been up to
my shoulders. This all used to be marshland.

I looked up the sea-level changes in a book that was to hand - Out of
Eden, by Stephen Oppenheimer. I quote measurements made on the
Greenland ice cap show that the second coldest time of the last
100,000 years was between 60,000 and 80,000 years ago. At its coldest,
70,000 years ago, this glaciation took the world's sea levels 80
metres (260 feet) below today's levels. 

During that time Europe has been joined to and separated from Britain
several times by the rising and falling waters of the North Sea. It is
their present misfortune to live in an interglacial.

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 Must be global warming.
 
 BTW, I recently came across a reference that claimed the rise 
 in sea level from 
 the ice age was in the order of 300-400 feet.
 
 
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Re: Camera Leather

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
I think this where Cesar gets his skins from...

Cotty wrote:
 On topic for a change!

 Interesting site - have a look:

 http://www.cameraleather.com/

   


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RE: Camera Leather

2007-09-30 Thread Bob W
Why can't he use Fetherlites like the rest of us?

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 Cotty wrote:
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Re: My view once again.

2007-09-30 Thread Cotty
On 30/09/07, Cesar Matamoros II, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://groups.msn.com/myrugbypictures/backyard.msnw?
action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=79

http://tinyurl.com/37qwm7

Excuse the partially mowed yard - I ran out of time yesterday :-)

It is just a snapshot - but I will accept any comments.

Get the bbq going and I'll be round for a burger :-)

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Re: Camera Leather

2007-09-30 Thread Cotty
On 30/09/07, Cesar Matamoros II, discombobulated, unleashed:

I must comment that I have had all sorts of comments about the cobra 
LX.  I found that females really like the look.

You told me that they like the cobra thong even better :-)

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Re: Camera Leather

2007-09-30 Thread Cotty
On 30/09/07, Cesar Matamoros II, discombobulated, unleashed:

I would send a link to a picture of the current state of my LXen, but 
they are currently up north while I sit here in the south.

Hey, I'm there.

Sixth pic down:

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Re: Pentax Gallery Resignation

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
I couldn't even bring myself to make my comment...

Mark Roberts wrote:
 Cotty wrote:

   
 I used to have a GF years ago into obedience training.
 

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Re: OT: Headed back home.

2007-09-30 Thread Cotty
On 30/09/07, Cesar Matamoros II, discombobulated, unleashed:

Well, the day is finally upon me.  I currently find myself at my house 
in Florida.

Welcome back mate.

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Re: Camera Leather

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm sorry, what makes you think I help people.

Cotty wrote:
 On 28/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
 Truth be told, I'm more of a swarfega and ball bearings sort of chap.
 

 I'm referring you to a specialist. Please contact a Dr P J Alling...

   


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Re: AFP journo gunned down in Burma

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
I think he knew he was dying and wanted it to count for something.

Adam Maas wrote:
 Derby Chang wrote:
   
 Heartbreaking. When the monks first started protesting, this was going 
 to be inevitable.

 http://tinyurl.com/2r8enn
 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23414112-details/The+last+moments+of+photographer+gunned+down+by+Burmese+troops+as+nine+die/article.do

 

 Incredible dedication on Nagai-san's part as well. He kept shooting even as 
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Re: PESO - Interplay

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
And I still hate you.

Tom C wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6471532size=lg

 Just rediscovered this.  Taken in the spring.

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Re: OT: Pedantry (RE: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread ann sanfedele
It was ever so... even back in th olden days when the machines took up 
whole rooms, it always seemed the
error message was on a different planet than what was actually wrong.

Fortunately, Tom caught it and resubmitted a really nice photo :)

ann


Bob W wrote:

 

A shot from the market.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477862


Got a big 404 on that.

Somebody ought to teach photo.net how to write error messages, and the
rudiments of English grammar. Their message is

Problem with Your Input
We had a problem processing your entry: 
This photo doesn't exist. (The owner has probably deleted it.) 
Please back up using your browser, correct it, and resubmit your
entry. 

I can't begin to count the number of ways in which that is wrong.

But let me try.

Problem with your input - blame the user

We had a problem processing your entry My entry? Is that the same as
my input, or are there 2 problems? Which is it - input or entry?
Besides, I didn't enter anything, and I don't think I provided any
input. I clicked a link.

This photo doesn't exist - bad grammar. 'This' photo must exist.
Besides,  I asked for a page, not a photo. If the page I asked for
doesn't exist, don't use 'this'.

Please back up using your browser,  Uh? What does that mean? Do I
have to restore using my browser too?

correct it,  - correct my browser? There's something wrong with my
browser too? 

and resubmit your entry - but you told me you had a problem
processing it. What's changed that I should resubmit it?

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Re: OT: netscape communicator 7.0 weirdness - as in help!

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Ann, right click on the folder and choose compact. That should rebuild 
the index. Then either the bold text for the folder will disappear or 
the hidden message will become viable.

ann sanfedele wrote:
 TIA  if you can tell me how to use the search mechanism to find the 
 unread message in my 3000 plus message inbox...

 can an unread message be hidden?  

 whenever I get on to read my mail the inbox is sorted by date and I 
 delete all suspicious email immediately and
 open everything else...

 usually, after I do this , the number of unread message thingy in parens 
 disappears...
 today it has not... I see no way to search by unread messages and I 
 scrolled through the whole list
 looking for a little green arrow and nothing came up (that I could see)

 It is worrysome... yeah, I rebooted.

 anyone?

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Re: PESO - Interplay

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Damn, I'm getting predictable.

frank theriault wrote:
 On 9/28/07, Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Beautiful. Stop posting this shite, you're making me jealous.
 

 I believe Peter will shortly be hating Tom (if he didn't already).

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happiness is a CANTAX or an PENTON - thank you COTTY!

2007-09-30 Thread ann sanfedele
Guys, I can't tell you (but of course I am telling you) how much I'm 
enjoying shooting with my
dear old wonderful Pentax glass on the canon Digital rebel --  

Also glad that getting an adaptor to work on the lenses was a simple 
attach and attach process.

I shot a few close ups for stuff I'm going to put on ebay and now I'm 
headed out to the farm market here
to shop and maybe shoot off a couple of frames with the smc 28mm f 2.8 
on the rebel.

Glad I didn't sell any more of my lenses off!

The only thing is I have to focus manually and stop down to shoot but 
with the shoot from the hip
f 8 hyperfocal distant technique it's no biggy

the focusing screen is so sharp and clear that wide open even I can 
focus with the macro on

Cotty is the one who I first saw attaching Pentax lenses to a canon 
digicam  - someone else
(forgive me that I can't remember who it was) told me that simply 
attaching the adaptor to the lens and
camera would work... and it sure did --

Now if only lulu would get its search software operating properly again 
I'd be REALLY happy

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Re: Potential enablement - full frame AF lens wider than 18 mm

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
It's been emasculated.

Cotty wrote:
 On 28/09/07, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
 He means the 15/3.5 as that's what Cotty butchered 
 

 Hardly butchered. It has the aperture lever removed. That's all. The EF
 mount that is screwed onto the back can easily be replaced by the K
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Re: PESO: From my window - 1971

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Very nice Ann.

ann sanfedele wrote:
 Rebekah wrote:

   
 link! link...?

 
 oops ooops

 http://tinyurl.com/yst4le

 :)

 ann

   
 On 9/28/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

 
 Just printed this one up and sold to the guy who is opeing a coffee bar
 where the open Thursday only sign is.

 Pentax kx - can't remember lens I had then...

 Thinking now of doing a calendar of  the east village in the 70's

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Re: PESO: From my window - 1971

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling

 It's well known that Frank's a bit psychic..
   
Don't you mean Psycho?

Brian Walters wrote:
 Quoting ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 frank theriault wrote:

 
  
   
 It was a snowy night in Manhatten's East Village...
   

   
 funny - but it IS a snow scene!

 


 It's well known that Frank's a bit psychic..

 Great photo - the woman walking by under the umbrella really adds to the 
 composition.

 I suppose the poultry shop is long gone?

 Cheers

 Brian

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Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
The official reason was to record for posterity. Propaganda remember 
literally means truth.

frank theriault wrote:
 On 9/28/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Bill and Tom,

 What is a propaganda photo?
 The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design.
 It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day 
 battle.
 The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below.

 The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it,
 the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the
 photo itself.  The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of
 a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would
 make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today.  (Imagine
 financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit
 spending!)

 Propaganda is a loaded word.
 

 It may be a loaded word, but IMHO, whether intended as propaganda or
 not (and as Rosenthal was there with the armed forces, it's hard to
 believe that he had no awareness that the photo could be used for
 inspirational purposes), in fact it was used to promote a cause
 (that of raising the war-weary spirits of Americans on the home
 front of WWII).

 It may have been a good cause, to be sure, but it was still propaganda.

 Good propaganda?

 I think so.

 But propaganda none-the-less...

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Re: Fuji or Kodak?

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Close enough to Kodak that I buy whatever's cheaper where I am.

Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Hi all,

 Among the less expensive, non-pro print films, which do you prefer,  
 Fuji or Kodak?  I have found the Fuji 800 to be pretty good, and am  
 wondering what others might think of this film, and the 100-400  
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Re: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Jack Davis
Good job as done. Low light eliminated the need to deal with
sun/shadows.

Jack
--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks Jack.  Yeah that's the weak part of it I guess.  Loathe to
 clone 
 though. Overall rather difficult to shoot.  Relatively low light,
 requiring 
 small aperture for DOF and consequent slow shutter speed.  People
 milling 
 around, so even though I didn't have a tripod it would have been hard
 to 
 use.
 
 It was an enjoyable afternoon.
 
 Tom C.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
 
 Nicely balanced selection of produce. Well rendered.
 I MIGHT have liked it a tad more if the upper left corner area had
 been
 more vegi filled.
 
 Jack
 --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I met Larry Levy yesterday in Dallas.  He was kind enough to show
 me
   around
   the town in the afternoon.  We went to the Farmers Market and
 viewed
   some
   some of the downtown architecture.
  
   We both share an appreciation of Gilbert  Sullivan, Thelonious
 Monk,
   and
   Maynard Ferguson, though I'm sure he's far more knowledgeable on
 the
   subjects.
  
   A shot from the market.
  
   http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477862
  
   Tom C.
  
  
  
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Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
As a cynic I find this entirely too cynical.

Tom C wrote:
 The Kings have always sacrificed their pawns, and generally their pawns go 
 willingingly because they have been convinced it is the noble thing to do.

 Tom C.


   
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 Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:08:03 -0500

 Public television is running a new World War II series produced by Ken
 Burns (who produced the award winning US Civil War monograph).  It has
 been 10 hours of TV this week, tracing people in 4 US cities and their
 experiences with the war - Waterbury, Conneticut - Sacramento,
 California - a small town in rural Minnesota - another town in
 Lousiana or Alabama.  The picture of life in those times makes our
 times look cynical and self absorbed.

 It is propaganda to use the flag raising picture to try and make
 people buy War Bonds and dig deeper to support the cause.
 It is not propaganda to try and make those sacrificing at home see
 some glimmer of hope and share in a national pride for their
 sacrifices.
 Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to
 support bad causes.  I know others will differ with me on this.

 Regards,  Bob S.

 On 9/28/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Bob Sullivan
 Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times


   
 Bill and Tom,

 What is a propaganda photo?
 The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design.
 It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day
 battle.
 The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below.

 The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it,
 the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the
 photo itself.  The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of
 a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would
 make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today.  (Imagine
 financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit
 spending!)

 Propaganda is a loaded word.
 
 Technically, it is information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread 
   
 widely
 
 to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc, 
   
 nothing
 
 more, nothing less.

 I'm guessing that had the Vietnam war more going for it than pocket pool
 ideology, it would have been more popular, I am sure.

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Re: PESO ... A Rose by Any Other Name...

2007-09-30 Thread Tom C

Thanks.  As found.



Tom C.



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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:27:06 -0400

Nice, Totally found, or did you arrange the petals a little?

Tom C wrote:
 Outside a Florist's shop.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6468680

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Re: Fuji or Kodak?

2007-09-30 Thread Glen Tortorella
Thank you for your kind words.  I hope the picture of my little red  
head is satisfactory.  She gave a nice little smile.

I tend to have a fairly steady hand.  When I shoot, I try to  
concentrate on cradling the body properly and exhaling when I release  
the shutter.  Also, I think my hand is a bit steadier with the Nikon  
N80, as it is a much heavier, studier body than the ZX-M.  It has a  
noticeably lower center of gravity, and a better grip, too--I feel  
like some sort of pseudo-pro now :-)  I am not one who thinks  
photography is all in the lens.  Certainly the lens is crucial, but  
so is the body.  You ask: Do you have a fast lens?...my Pentax A is  
a 50/2 and my Nikon is an F 50/1.8 D...pretty fast...

Yes, the Fuji 800 is nice.  I have the 400 in my camera right now.  I  
will pass along some comments one I have a roll or two developed.

Glen

On Sep 30, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Rebekah wrote:

 Yes, Fuji is very good, particularly in dim lighting (this was my
 experience with the 800 speed variety).  Wow, you shoot down to 1/4
 with the 400 speed...no blur?  I loaded a roll of the 400 in my
 camera today.  I just took a picture of my one year-old getting a
 bath, and I I thought I was pushing it ay 1/45...


 Sure, sometimes I get blur, but usually I get pretty sharp pictures
 even when I'm taking slow pictures, as long as the subject isn't
 moving ;) and if I do get it a bit blurry most of the time it's in a
 picture where I don't mind.  My camera only takes pictures down to 1s,
 but I usually don't go that slow.  Here's a picture taken at ½s that
 isn't too bad.

 http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo?authkey=W1C- 
 i05p28o#5116002907034854178

 For me, it's hard not to shift my hands when I press the shutter
 button.  It probably goes back to that you should use a tripod
 argument.  I used to use 800 speed kodak exclusively but I guess I was
 never quite satisfied with the sharpness so I ended up trying to take
 my pictures slower.  I haven't tried 800 Fuji of any type, but your
 approval of it makes me curious.  Do you have a steady hand?  Or do
 you have a fast lens? I hope your bath picture comes out well :)

 rg2


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 Yes, Fuji is very good, particularly in dim lighting (this was my
 experience with the 800 speed variety).  Wow, you shoot down to 1/4
 with the 400 speed...no blur?  I loaded a roll of the 400 in my
 camera today.  I just took a picture of my one year-old getting a
 bath, and I I thought I was pushing it ay 1/45...

 Thanks,
 Glen

 On Sep 29, 2007, at 7:44 PM, Rebekah wrote:

 BTW Glen -

 I usually take my pictures with available light and use 400 speed  
 fuji
 or kodak gold, and I really feel like the Fuji outperforms the Kodak
 in low light situations.  Its contrast and grain hold up even  
 when I'm
 taking dim indoor pictures at 1/30 or even 1/4s.  I like Kodak much
 better in outdoor light but I have to say I'm always disappointed by
 it when the light isn't perfect.

 rg2

 On 9/29/07, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bill Owens wrote:
 When I could get it, I shot Agfa 200.  Otherwise I shot Fuji
 Superia 200,
 though I think Kodak Gold 200 is also excellent.  I liked Agfa
 because it
 seemed to render neutral colors more naturally.

 Bill




 Has anyone seen the resurrected Agfafilm in the flesh? Doesn't
 look like
 they are resurrecting Portrait or Ultra though :(

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Re: My view once again.

2007-09-30 Thread pnstenquist
Beautiful. I remember this from previous posts. Enjoy.
Paul
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From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 As I stated in my previous post, I am back home.  This should be for 
 quite a while.
 After sending my last message I went out to my back porch - it is nice 
 and cool out.
 This is my view:
 
 http://groups.msn.com/myrugbypictures/backyard.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=79
 
 http://tinyurl.com/37qwm7
 
 Excuse the partially mowed yard - I ran out of time yesterday :-)
 
 It is just a snapshot - but I will accept any comments.
 
 The photo was taken with my *ist D with a Pentax-M 20mm f/4 at 1/160sec f/8.
 
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 Panama City, Florida
 
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Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Please, I'm trying to get that copyrighted. (I expect to sell lots of 
mugs and tee shirts in the next year).

Kenneth Waller wrote:
 More likely a vast right wing conspiracy.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


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 On 9/29/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Dictionaries are probably a commie plot.
   
 LOL

 Cheers,

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RE: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times

2007-09-30 Thread Bob W
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 Behalf Of P. J. Alling
 Sent: 30 September 2007 19:30
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 Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
 
 The official reason was to record for posterity. Propaganda remember

 literally means truth.
 

Propaganda literally means things to propagate. Truth is neither here
nor there. In fact, used for ideas it is a metaphor, rather similar to
the way broadcast is a metaphor when applied to radio and TV
transmission.

Propago, -are, -avi, -atum, verb transitive, to propagate, to extend,
to prolong.

Propaganda is the gerundive - a 'verbal adjective', passive. It is
formed by adding -nd to the root, and adding the appropriate gender
ending -us, -s, -um. It carries with it a sense of duty, or
necessaity. Cato famously used a gerundive in all of his speeches,
which he ended with the phrase Carthago delenda est - Carthage must
be destroyed.

Thus propag- -anda: things to be propagated, extended or prolonged. 

It is the same (Latin) grammatical form as agenda, which literally
means things to be done.

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Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
The idea that kings should lead from the front really lost favor after 
the fall of Napoleon the III, he was one of the last emperors who 
insisted on leading his troops from near the front. The problem was that 
while he was a Napoleon he wasn't the Napoleon.

graywolf wrote:
 A long long time ago in a land far far away the king was expected to be out 
 in 
 front of the pawns leading them.

 Now they lead from the rear. Preferably from another continent. That was most 
 likely the scariest part of the idea of nuclear war to them, there was no 
 rear 
 for them to lead from.


 Tom C wrote:
   
 The Kings have always sacrificed their pawns, and generally their pawns go 
 willingingly because they have been convinced it is the noble thing to do.
 

   


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Re: Fuji or Kodak?

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Har! My medalist is older than that, in fact it's older than I am.

graywolf wrote:
 I used to keep Fuji Superia in 100, 400, and 1600 speed in my camera bag. I 
 have 
 always preferred to use the slowest film I could get away with. For slides my 
 favorite was Agfa Provdia (sp?) 100. Since I quite often had partial rolls 
 developed I only bought 24x roll. Fugi Press was supposedly Superia in bulk 
 packs of 36x rolls.

 Nowadays I only shoot 35mm film when I need to use the long lenses in my MX 
 kit 
 most (90%) color stuff is shot with the Olympus C-5050Z digicam. Yes even 
 with 
 digital I use old* cameras GRIN!

 *That is only partially by choice. However between the Oly, the MX kit, and 
 the 
 Graphic I can shoot most anything I care to shoot, so it is not a great 
 hardship 
 for me. The latest and greatest are mostly needed for bragging rights, but if 
 your kit is old enough you get reverse bragging rights. That Graphic was made 
 in 
 1952!

   


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Re: Sigma 14 mm vs Tamron 14 mm

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
I got to handle one of those on a K10D not long ago. It's most likely 
the only DA lens I'm seriously thinking of getting.

David Savage wrote:
 On 9/30/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I am yet very much undecided.
 

 DA 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FE @ 10mm, shooting distance about 6 inches from
 Lucy's nose:

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP7094.jpg
 (damn this is a fun little lens)

 :-)

 This isn't a serious recommendation. I know  I fully understand your
 full frame lens preference.

 Cheers,

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Re: OT: Pedantry (RE: PESO - Farmers Market

2007-09-30 Thread Tom C
LOL.  I had removed and resubmitted the image. CS2 really hosed my copyright 
info on the border of the photo.  I had put it in bold type and artifacting 
was clearly visible after converting to a .jpg.  Not quite as bad when 
unbolded.


Tom C.


From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: OT: Pedantry (RE: PESO - Farmers Market
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:16:46 -0400

It was ever so... even back in th olden days when the machines took up
whole rooms, it always seemed the
error message was on a different planet than what was actually wrong.

Fortunately, Tom caught it and resubmitted a really nice photo :)

ann


Bob W wrote:

 
 
 A shot from the market.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6477862
 
 
 Got a big 404 on that.
 
 Somebody ought to teach photo.net how to write error messages, and the
 rudiments of English grammar. Their message is
 
 Problem with Your Input
 We had a problem processing your entry:
 This photo doesn't exist. (The owner has probably deleted it.)
 Please back up using your browser, correct it, and resubmit your
 entry. 
 
 I can't begin to count the number of ways in which that is wrong.
 
 But let me try.
 
 Problem with your input - blame the user
 
 We had a problem processing your entry My entry? Is that the same as
 my input, or are there 2 problems? Which is it - input or entry?
 Besides, I didn't enter anything, and I don't think I provided any
 input. I clicked a link.
 
 This photo doesn't exist - bad grammar. 'This' photo must exist.
 Besides,  I asked for a page, not a photo. If the page I asked for
 doesn't exist, don't use 'this'.
 
 Please back up using your browser,  Uh? What does that mean? Do I
 have to restore using my browser too?
 
 correct it,  - correct my browser? There's something wrong with my
 browser too?
 
 and resubmit your entry - but you told me you had a problem
 processing it. What's changed that I should resubmit it?
 
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Re: Sigma 14 mm vs Tamron 14 mm

2007-09-30 Thread pnstenquist
I shot yesterday's job (thw welcome sign) with the DA 12-24.at 22mm The client 
said, Wow, that's sharp. I said, yes.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I got to handle one of those on a K10D not long ago. It's most likely 
 the only DA lens I'm seriously thinking of getting.
 
 David Savage wrote:
  On 9/30/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I am yet very much undecided.
  
 
  DA 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FE @ 10mm, shooting distance about 6 inches from
  Lucy's nose:
 
  http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP7094.jpg
  (damn this is a fun little lens)
 
  :-)
 
  This isn't a serious recommendation. I know  I fully understand your
  full frame lens preference.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Dave
 

 
 
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PESO: This is why

2007-09-30 Thread Rebekah
This is why women take so long to get ready:

http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo?authkey=W1C-i05p28o#5116085567975433026

We have little 'helpers'.


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Re: test

2007-09-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Consider it ignored.

David S. wrote:
 test

 ignore this.  changed my email address


   


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Re: Sigma 14 mm vs Tamron 14 mm

2007-09-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I'll second Dave's opinion: it is weird but definitely a fun lens...  
and remarkably sharp.

G

On Sep 30, 2007, at 12:30 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 I got to handle one of those on a K10D not long ago. It's most likely
 the only DA lens I'm seriously thinking of getting.

 DA 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FE @ 10mm, shooting distance about 6 inches from
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP7094.jpg
 (damn this is a fun little lens)


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Re: PESO: This is why

2007-09-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 30, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Rebekah wrote:

 http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/PESO/photo?authkey=W1C- 
 i05p28o#5116085567975433026

A delightful photo, Rebekah! Very cute. :-)

Godfrey


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Re: High Tide

2007-09-30 Thread Evan Hanson
Wow!  I've never seen the Thames like that.

Evan

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Re: PESO - Interplay

2007-09-30 Thread Patrick Genovese
Great Shot, Lots of mood.  Love it!

Rgds
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RE: FS Friday - Pentax K-500/4,5 (price ideas)

2007-09-30 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I'd say more like $350-450.
jco

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On Sep 29, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

 Any ideas what is going price for this lens?
 I have seen some prices at eBay, but they may have given me wrong
 ideas.

It's been a while since I saw one for sale, but I seem to recall a  
couple at KEH.com a year or so back in the $300 price category.

Godfrey
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Re: Developer Turned Black [Was: Sad state of Photo Stores]

2007-09-30 Thread Beaker

True confessions...?


On Sep 30, 2007, at 1:30 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 I've misplaced both my Falcon air evac bottles and my marbles.

 graywolf wrote:
 Har!!!

 Scott Loveless wrote:

 Marbles.

 P. J. Alling wrote:

 Falcon air evac bottles.

snop

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PESO: Going Green

2007-09-30 Thread ann sanfedele
Took this with my PENTON/CANTAX camera  this afternoon.

http://tinyurl.com/2d2rlw

http://annsan.smugmug.com/gallery/2564371/1/202298310/Medium


BTW -

Is there a reason why people use both tinyurl and the real link?
Do the Tinyurls have an expiration date?  or do some browsers or
servers refuse to follow them?

ann


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Re: Sigma 14 mm vs Tamron 14 mm

2007-09-30 Thread pnstenquist
The DA 12-24 is better than good. I used it for my Welcome  shoot this 
weekend. I wanted to use a prime, but I needed a bit more than 24mm. But at 
22mm, the DA 12-24 was outstanding. The client was very pleased and commented 
on the sharpness of the images.
Paul
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From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I got to handle one of those on a K10D not long ago. It's most likely 
 the only DA lens I'm seriously thinking of getting.
 
 David Savage wrote:
  On 9/30/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I am yet very much undecided.
  
 
  DA 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FE @ 10mm, shooting distance about 6 inches from
  Lucy's nose:
 
  http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/_IGP7094.jpg
  (damn this is a fun little lens)
 
  :-)
 
  This isn't a serious recommendation. I know  I fully understand your
  full frame lens preference.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Dave
 

 
 
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