RE: K20D as Scanner

[JC OConnell]

mmm, I have had and used a flatbed scanner for over 12 years and
couldnt imagine not having one on my pc. They are very cheap and
very useful for doing an occasional fax, making a copy of document for
archives, etc.
Flatbeds are good to have. Film scanners were expensive, but basic
document only
scanners are not. The quality of the scans are amazing from my epson
scanner with typical 8.5x11 documents.

JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net)
"Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom" - Thomas Jefferson


-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Ken Waller
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:39 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner


The whole point was I wasn't going to purchase a flatbed scanner for a
few 
prints! These reproductions totally exceeded my expectations.

It would be interesting to see how these digital images from my K20D
compare 
to those from a scanner.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "JC OConnell" 
Subject: RE: K20D as Scanner


> as good as that worked, using a decent flatbed scanner
> would probably be even better! scanners can be super
> critical sharp too.
>
> JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net)
> "Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom" - Thomas 
> Jefferson
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf 
> Of Ken Waller
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:49 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: K20D as Scanner
>
>
> I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures 
> that I didn't have the negs for.
> I don't have a flat bed scanner & decided to shoot them with my K20D &
> my
> 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro.
>
> I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the 
> image
>
> plane, using available light & being mindful to eliminate glare off 
> the originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including applying a 
> small amount of unsharp mask) & printed them (slightly larger than the

> original
> image) on
> my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo printer.
>
> The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final 
> results came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper.

> I seriously
> doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close to the
> digitally produced images.
>
> FYI
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f


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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Joseph McAllister]

It's called High Speed sync.

Works with PUF and external wired.

On May 21, 2009, at 17:54 , paul stenquist wrote:

The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is  
substantial when shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright  
daylight.

Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Thibouille wrote:


I wonder how one can draw such conclusions:

* without trying the camera
* seing anything else than sample (usually uninteresting whatever the
brand) and a picture (of the girl) from internal Jpeg with sharpness
set a -2, custom image settings set to portrait (!!)
* You didn't test AF and probably you didn't read reports of quite
speedier AF specially those with SDM,
* Light type sensor for correcting AF (less FF/BF issue e.g. in  
tungsten light)

* You ignore the fact that Mjpeg may mean a whole lot better quality
(at the bit rate mentionned by Pentax) that Panasonic GH1 or Canon
5dii,
* AF and aperture control in video (5dii where are you?)
* That the 'huge' difference between 1/180 and 1/250 is a half stop
(wow, huge). Btw, 5Dii is stuck at 1/200,
,


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RE: K20D as Scanner

[JC OConnell]

with a dslr and its instant results review, it should be
fairly easy to use a pair of flash and be able to adjust
them for even lighting. that way you eliminate possible
motion blur from long shutter speeds and will be able
to use smaller fstops most likely too. But flatbed scanning is better
I would think.

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William Robb
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:48 PM
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Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner



- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner


That's interesting Ken.  I've used the A100/2.8 macro to shoot artwork
onto slides for projecting at focus groups.  My methodology was similar,
insure perpendicular and use available light (living room window).
Results were very acceptable.
>From what you say, I'll have some copy work to do for my sister the
family's genealogist.

Here's a little trick.
Now that darkroom stuff is being given away for the cost of hauling it,
look 
for something like a Beseler 6x7 or 6x9 enlarger. If you take the head
off 
of it you will find a 3/8x20 screw just waiting to take a tripod head.
Enlarger chassis' are really good copy stands.

If you can get a colour one, the head can often be coaxed into working
as a 
light source for copying slides.

William Robb




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RE: Oh another K-7 thread...

[JC OConnell]

its only about 1/3 stop difference

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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:01 PM
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Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...


On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 08:54:29PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
> The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial 
> when
> shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight.

A lot can happen in  0.0016 seconds.


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RE: CA correction on the K-7

[JC OConnell]

Im not talking about the current or near future lenses,
Im talking about the long run. It only makes sense that
things that can be corrected in the body rather than
with optics may be cheaper way to go but you would have
to use new bodies only with those optically uncorrected lenses.

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-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
paul stenquist
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:56 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: CA correction on the K-7


The new DA* lenses display much less CA on a digital sensor than do  
any of my A, M, SMC or FA lenses. Your concern smacks of deep paranoia.
Paul On May 21, 2009, at 7:06 PM, JC OConnell wrote:

> Im afraid in camera correction may be an excuse for them
> to start putting out uncorrected lenses that require
> new bodies to perform properly. Wouldnt be that bad if
> the lenses got real cheap, but will they?
>
> JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net)
> "Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom" - Thomas
> Jefferson
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf  
> Of
> Matthew Miller
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:47 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: CA correction on the K-7
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:57:37PM -0400, John Francis wrote:
>> Apparently (from posts on the DPReview forum) this takes *several
>> seconds* per exposure.  Sounds hard to believe, but if this is true I
>> guess it's not all that useful.
>
> Yeah, seriously. Although the in-camera raw conversion can still do  
> it.
> If the feature turns out to be debilitating 3-4 seconds downtime  
> after I
> click would definitely cause me to miss shots. On the other hand,  
> maybe
> I can learn turn it on sometimes simply to force myself to be more
> deliberate in my shooting. :)
>
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RE: Probably the best K-7 review yet.

[Malcolm Smith]

> William Robb wrote:

> This is absolutely classic. A must read.
> 
> http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html

Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed
furniture.

Malcolm


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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Bruce Dayton]

Hmmm...I shoot lots of weddings each year, along with lots of paid
portraits and family groupings - almost always flash fill.  The 1/250
would be nicer, but the 1/180 is not a deal breaker for me.  I
generally set the flash to handle high speed and then watch my
shutter speed - using ISO somewhat to help control things.  Not a
huge issue, just a small nice to have, in my book.

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Thursday, May 21, 2009, 8:48:32 PM, you wrote:

AM> John,

AM> This is a real issue for wedding shooters and anyone doing
AM> location/outdoor portraiture (or any other sort of mixed
AM> daylight/flash work, which Paul obviously does). Flash sync does
AM> matter and Pentax continues to offer the only camera in-class with a
AM> sub-1/250 sync (the 40D/50D, D300, E-3 and A700 all offer the better
AM> sync speed).

AM> -Adam

AM> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:43 PM, John Poirier  wrote:
>> This is catastrophic!  My retirement plans were entirley based on selling
>> backlit protraits of  hummingbirds to microstock agencies!!!  I've really
>> had it with Pentax.  There are lots of real pro systems that will give you
>> perfect shots of everything at the push of a button, and I'm gonna get me
>> one real soon.  Right now I'm kinda busy fixing the light leaks in my Zenit
>> E..
>>
>>  Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" 
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
>>
>>
>>> You're missing the fact that the amount of flash exposure you can work
>>> into a shot is dependent only on the f stop. So if I shoot a backlit
>>> portrait outdoors at f5.6, 1.250th, I can fill flash in at that 5.6 value.
>>> If I'm forced to stop down to f6.7 because I can't go beyond 1/180th in
>>> shutter speed, I lose flash exposure and increase DOF. Ideally, I'd like to
>>> have flash synch up to 1/1000th, but that's  complex and cost;y. And
>>> high-speed synch doesn't help much, because  the flash power is greatly
>>> diminished by multiple firings.
>>> Paul

 Of course, with hummingbirds, it's even worse. Why, at 1/180th, the
 hummingbird's wings have gone through a whole 38% of a stroke. With
 1/250th,
 that'd be reduced to a mere 28%.

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Probably the best K-7 review yet.

[William Robb]

This is absolutely classic. A must read.

http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html

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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Poirier"
Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...


> I too await an explanation for VW.

You'll be sorry.
VW 



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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila"
Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...


> Well, William, what does the VW stand for?  Cheers, Christine
>

Value Reductions

Except I talk like Elmer Fudd, so it comes out sounding like Value 
Weductions.
 



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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis"
Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...




> Looks better than "pretty darned good" to me - unless there are some
> really strong negative reports from the GFM crowd I'll be buying one.

I'm trying very hard to not turn into a fanboy over this camera.
It would be too embarassing, and bad for the surly image I try to cultivate.
>
>
> The frame rate is quite a big deal for me, too.  I really liked
> the responsiveness of the PZ-1p (4+fps), even though I mostly
> used it in single-frame mode; the faster frame rate results in
> a shorter viewfinder blackout time, and the camera is ready for
> another shot sooner; I occasionally find myself trying to take
> the next shot before the (3fps) K10D is ready.

This is really the biggie for me. I really like a responsive camera, and 
higher frame rates seem to go hand in hand with that. I was trying to 
explain to someone over on forumneurotica that just because I wanted a 
camera that had 5fps didn't mean that I wanted to use it at that speed.
They just presume that one wants it so as to be a tail gunner.

William Robb 



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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[John Poirier]

Sorry if I confused you William.  I was actually being rather silly, or 
outrageously goofy  by Gulf Islands standards, which is where I am now 
composting away. Perhaps I should have explained that I am discrete and 
moderate only when my mouth is taped shut and I'm not near a keyboard...I 
too await an explanation for VW.


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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...




- Original Message - 
From: "John Poirier"

Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...


Yes, I was going to slip quietly away, but I made the mistake of looking 
at one last message.  That combined with a slow evening and two 
near-lethal martinis from my darling wife led me astray.  Normally I'm 
the soul of discretion and moderation, and would never venture to intrude 
on the proceeedings of this august group.  (Actually, I realy enjoy the 
PDMl- have been a lurker since the mid-nineties, but am usually too tied 
up with other stuff to participate consistently.)




jeeze, I hope you didn't take that personally or anything.

William Robb


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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[John Francis]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 08:51:16PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bob Sullivan"
> Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
> 
> 
> > timber,
> > The rest of us have no idea where you are looking to form your opinions.
> > Maybe you can back them up with something?  Pictures, links, ???
> 
> Really. To me, it isn't missing anything crucial. A higher sync speed would 
> have been nice, but it isn't a killer for me. Other than that, I kinda have 
> to wait until I can get my hands on one to see if the AF is sufficiently 
> fast for me. For the rest, it looks pretty darned good.
> 
> William Robb 

Looks better than "pretty darned good" to me - unless there are some
really strong negative reports from the GFM crowd I'll be buying one.

Sure, I'd like the faster sync speed.  But the lack of it (and the
slower frame rate) didn't tempt me back to using my PZ-1p.  Most of
the time high-speed sync serves well enough, although when you are
using trailing-curtain sync I believe you don't even get 1/180 of
a second (the *ist-D dropped back to 1/60; I don't know what later
bodies did).

The 1/8000 second is very welcome for those of us trying to use
fast lenses in California sun; I don't have ND filters for all my
f/2.8 lenses (or for the 250-600), and sometimes the minimal depth
of field of a fast lens is what you want.  In any case, changing
shutter speed is a lot more convenient than playing with filters.
The K10D (1/4000 top speed; ISO 100) is OK most of the time; the
*ist-D (minimum ISO 200) was marginal.

The frame rate is quite a big deal for me, too.  I really liked
the responsiveness of the PZ-1p (4+fps), even though I mostly
used it in single-frame mode; the faster frame rate results in
a shorter viewfinder blackout time, and the camera is ready for
another shot sooner; I occasionally find myself trying to take
the next shot before the (3fps) K10D is ready.



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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Christine Aguila]

Well, William, what does the VW stand for?  Cheers, Christine



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From: "William Robb" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...




- Original Message - 
From: "John Poirier"

Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...


Yes, I was going to slip quietly away, but I made the mistake of looking 
at one last message.  That combined with a slow evening and two 
near-lethal martinis from my darling wife led me astray.  Normally I'm 
the soul of discretion and moderation, and would never venture to intrude 
on the proceeedings of this august group.  (Actually, I realy enjoy the 
PDMl- have been a lurker since the mid-nineties, but am usually too tied 
up with other stuff to participate consistently.)




jeeze, I hope you didn't take that personally or anything.

William Robb


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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Poirier"
Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...


> Yes, I was going to slip quietly away, but I made the mistake of looking 
> at one last message.  That combined with a slow evening and two 
> near-lethal martinis from my darling wife led me astray.  Normally I'm the 
> soul of discretion and moderation, and would never venture to intrude on 
> the proceeedings of this august group.  (Actually, I realy enjoy the PDMl- 
> have been a lurker since the mid-nineties, but am usually too tied up with 
> other stuff to participate consistently.)
>

jeeze, I hope you didn't take that personally or anything.

William Robb 



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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Thibouille]

Mmm 5dmk2 anyone?
Yes, 1/200 only (which really doesn't excuse Pentax, just another datapoint).

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Adam Maas  wrote:
> John,
> Flash sync does
> matter and Pentax continues to offer the only camera in-class with a
> sub-1/250 sync (the 40D/50D, D300, E-3 and A700 all offer the better
> sync speed).
>
> -Adam
>
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Re: K20D as Scanner

[John Poirier]

If you've wrung the most out of your lens, I wouldn't expect  much 
difference for purposes such as viewing on a monitor or prints up to about 
8x10 at normal viewing distances.  If you're looking for teeny tiny dust 
spots on the original, they won't be as sharp as with a flatbed.running at, 
say, 400 ppi or higher depending on original size.


A high bit depth flatbed scan may offer some advantages over the K20 for 
salvaging badly faded prints, but I couldn't confirm that without careful 
testing.


My comments are based on many shots with a Kodak DSC14N (13 megapixel full 
frame) and a Micro Nikkor 60mm.  I'd expect about the same from a K20D with 
a good lens.


With a really good copy setup it's possible to crank through several hundred 
decent(magazine quality with minor editing) black and white copies versus 
maybe two or three dozen equivalents on a flatbed



- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Waller" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner


The whole point was I wasn't going to purchase a flatbed scanner for a few 
prints! These reproductions totally exceeded my expectations.


It would be interesting to see how these digital images from my K20D 
compare to those from a scanner.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "JC OConnell" 

Subject: RE: K20D as Scanner



as good as that worked, using a decent flatbed scanner
would probably be even better! scanners can be super
critical sharp too.

JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net)
"Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom" - Thomas Jefferson


-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Ken Waller
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:49 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: K20D as Scanner


I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures that
I
didn't have the negs for.
I don't have a flat bed scanner & decided to shoot them with my K20D &
my
200mm f4.0 ED  Macro.

I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the image

plane, using available light & being mindful to eliminate glare off the
originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including applying a small
amount
of unsharp mask) & printed them (slightly larger than the original
image) on
my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo printer.

The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final
results
came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper. I
seriously
doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close to the
digitally produced images.

FYI

Kenneth Waller
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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[John Poirier]

Yes, I was going to slip quietly away, but I made the mistake of looking at 
one last message.  That combined with a slow evening and two near-lethal 
martinis from my darling wife led me astray.  Normally I'm the soul of 
discretion and moderation, and would never venture to intrude on the 
proceeedings of this august group.  (Actually, I realy enjoy the PDMl- have 
been a lurker since the mid-nineties, but am usually too tied up with other 
stuff to participate consistently.)


Cheers

. - Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...




- Original Message - 
From: "John Poirier"

Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...


This is catastrophic!  My retirement plans were entirley based on selling 
backlit protraits of  hummingbirds to microstock agencies!!!  I've really 
had it with Pentax.  There are lots of real pro systems that will give 
you perfect shots of everything at the push of a button, and I'm gonna 
get me one real soon.  Right now I'm kinda busy fixing the light leaks in 
my Zenit


Weren't you going to go back to lurking?
VW


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Re: K20D as Scanner

[Ken Waller]

The whole point was I wasn't going to purchase a flatbed scanner for a few 
prints! These reproductions totally exceeded my expectations.


It would be interesting to see how these digital images from my K20D compare 
to those from a scanner.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "JC OConnell" 

Subject: RE: K20D as Scanner



as good as that worked, using a decent flatbed scanner
would probably be even better! scanners can be super
critical sharp too.

JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net)
"Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom" - Thomas Jefferson


-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Ken Waller
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:49 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: K20D as Scanner


I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures that
I
didn't have the negs for.
I don't have a flat bed scanner & decided to shoot them with my K20D &
my
200mm f4.0 ED  Macro.

I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the image

plane, using available light & being mindful to eliminate glare off the
originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including applying a small
amount
of unsharp mask) & printed them (slightly larger than the original
image) on
my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo printer.

The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final
results
came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper. I
seriously
doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close to the
digitally produced images.

FYI

Kenneth Waller
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Re: K20D as Scanner

[Ken Waller]

Thanks for the comments John.

These were photos taken when I was a kid - I have no idea where the negs 
are, so that wasn't an option. It would be interesting to see how my copies 
compared with new prints from the negs.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "John Poirier" 

Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner



HI, Ken

I'm not surpriised that you got good results.  I think proper  use of a 
digital SLR is a very cost-effective way  of reproducing old photographic 
prints  for all but the most critical applications.  I've often done it 
myself with materials too large for a scanner.


However, speaking as someone with 20 years of professional experience 
working with a collection of half a million archival photographs,   I must 
point out that there is no substitute for an original negative or slide in 
terms of potential image quality, whether as a darkroom print or as a 
scan. In particular, with negatives the quality difference can be 
enormous. Achieving that quality requires more technical skills than 
copying a print but the potential is most certainly there.  ( That's not a 
criticism of you, Ken.  I really admire your work.  But I am a seriously 
experienced geek in this area.)


My main message is:  Don't get rid of your old negatives just because you 
think you can do better copying priints with a digital SLR.   Copying 
prints with a camera  is OK if you don't have the means to work with film, 
or all you have for an original is a print,  but if the pictures are 
important hang on to those little bits of film. They carry a  lot more 
information  in terms of detail, tonality and colour than prints.


Now I'll go back to lurking..

John Poirier

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Waller" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: K20D as Scanner


I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures that I 
didn't have the negs for.
I don't have a flat bed scanner & decided to shoot them with my K20D & my 
200mm f4.0 ED  Macro.


I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the image 
plane, using available light & being mindful to eliminate glare off the 
originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including applying a small 
amount of unsharp mask) & printed them (slightly larger than the original 
image) on my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo printer.


The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final results 
came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper. I 
seriously doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close 
to the digitally produced images.


FYI

Kenneth Waller
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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Poirier"
Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...


> This is catastrophic!  My retirement plans were entirley based on selling 
> backlit protraits of  hummingbirds to microstock agencies!!!  I've really 
> had it with Pentax.  There are lots of real pro systems that will give you 
> perfect shots of everything at the push of a button, and I'm gonna get me 
> one real soon.  Right now I'm kinda busy fixing the light leaks in my 
> Zenit

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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Matthew Miller"
Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...



>
> Okay, seriously -- the time difference just doesn't seem that much. (1/643
> of a second *different*.) Neither does half a stop. I accept that there's
> some narrow cases where it'd help, but I can't see it as the huge deal 
> that
> it seems to be to some folks. What am I missing?

Half a stop is quite a bit of flash output.

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

[Boris Liberman]

AlunFoto wrote:

Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
Jostein


I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course 
translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points:


1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the 
micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. The reviewer 
also mentions that this new micro lens design makes it work better with 
film lenses and it allows for wider range of angles of falling light.


2. The picture modes (or whatever is the name) can now be fine tuned for 
separate contrast rendition in bright and dark areas.


3. They mention that this camera is set to compete face to face (or 
hmmm, lens mount to lens mount) with Nikon D300, Canon EOS 50D, Sony 
Alpha 700 and Olympus E-3.


4. All in all, consider that instead of reading through numerous pages 
of DPReview review (all the description stuff, not testing) you got it 
presented to you by someone in front of a video camera.


Perhaps if I look at it half dozen times I'd notice more details that 
might have been omitted in the web based texts, but in general - this is 
yet another description of the new camera.


Having seen that video that Cotty shown I as well might wanna buy this 
one. I do want to shoot short videos in general and short videos of my 
girls in particular.


Cheers.

Boris


P.S. I know for the fact that I am not the only Russian speaker on the 
list. Perhaps others may contribute given their perspective on all this...


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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

[Boris Liberman]

LOL. I thought that witnessing us talk in several days taught you the 
difference ;-). It is Russian ;-).


Boris

Thibouille wrote:

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

 Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's APS-C
sized components.


Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.

And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:09:00PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> You're missing the fact that the amount of flash exposure you can work
> into a shot is dependent only on the f stop. So if I shoot a backlit
> portrait outdoors at f5.6, 1.250th, I can fill flash in at that 5.6 value.
> If I'm forced to stop down to f6.7 because I can't go beyond 1/180th in
> shutter speed, I lose flash exposure and increase DOF.

But again, *half* a stop. Assuming the FA 77mm at 10 feet, the depth of
field is going from about 13" to 15". (Right? Up past my bedtime, so feel
free to check my math.) Two (and a half, actually -- rounding) inches isn't
nothing, but it's still only two inches.

> Ideally, I'd like to have flash synch up to 1/1000th, but that's complex
> and cost;y. 

Right, I understand that going from 0.0056s to 0.0010s would be useful.
That's two and a half stops better, and in the example above, you're
shooting at f/2.8 and have more than halved your DOF, down to about 6".


> And high-speed synch doesn't help much, because the flash power is greatly
> diminished by multiple firings.

So, improved noise performance should help just as well, right? I wouldn't
be surprised at all if the sensor refinements gain you your half stop back
right there. Optimistically, more.

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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Adam Maas]

John,

This is a real issue for wedding shooters and anyone doing
location/outdoor portraiture (or any other sort of mixed
daylight/flash work, which Paul obviously does). Flash sync does
matter and Pentax continues to offer the only camera in-class with a
sub-1/250 sync (the 40D/50D, D300, E-3 and A700 all offer the better
sync speed).

-Adam

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:43 PM, John Poirier  wrote:
> This is catastrophic!  My retirement plans were entirley based on selling
> backlit protraits of  hummingbirds to microstock agencies!!!  I've really
> had it with Pentax.  There are lots of real pro systems that will give you
> perfect shots of everything at the push of a button, and I'm gonna get me
> one real soon.  Right now I'm kinda busy fixing the light leaks in my Zenit
> E..
>
>  Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
>
>
>> You're missing the fact that the amount of flash exposure you can work
>> into a shot is dependent only on the f stop. So if I shoot a backlit
>> portrait outdoors at f5.6, 1.250th, I can fill flash in at that 5.6 value.
>> If I'm forced to stop down to f6.7 because I can't go beyond 1/180th in
>> shutter speed, I lose flash exposure and increase DOF. Ideally, I'd like to
>> have flash synch up to 1/1000th, but that's  complex and cost;y. And
>> high-speed synch doesn't help much, because  the flash power is greatly
>> diminished by multiple firings.
>> Paul
>>>
>>> Of course, with hummingbirds, it's even worse. Why, at 1/180th, the
>>> hummingbird's wings have gone through a whole 38% of a stroke. With
>>> 1/250th,
>>> that'd be reduced to a mere 28%.
>>>
>
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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[John Poirier]

This is catastrophic!  My retirement plans were entirley based on selling 
backlit protraits of  hummingbirds to microstock agencies!!!  I've really 
had it with Pentax.  There are lots of real pro systems that will give you 
perfect shots of everything at the push of a button, and I'm gonna get me 
one real soon.  Right now I'm kinda busy fixing the light leaks in my Zenit 
E..


 Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...


You're missing the fact that the amount of flash exposure you can work 
into a shot is dependent only on the f stop. So if I shoot a backlit 
portrait outdoors at f5.6, 1.250th, I can fill flash in at that 5.6 
value. If I'm forced to stop down to f6.7 because I can't go beyond 
1/180th in shutter speed, I lose flash exposure and increase DOF. 
Ideally, I'd like to have flash synch up to 1/1000th, but that's  complex 
and cost;y. And high-speed synch doesn't help much, because  the flash 
power is greatly diminished by multiple firings.

Paul

Of course, with hummingbirds, it's even worse. Why, at 1/180th, the
hummingbird's wings have gone through a whole 38% of a stroke. With 
1/250th,

that'd be reduced to a mere 28%.




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Re: K20D as Scanner

[John Poirier]

HI, Ken

I'm not surpriised that you got good results.  I think proper  use of a 
digital SLR is a very cost-effective way  of reproducing old photographic 
prints  for all but the most critical applications.  I've often done it 
myself with materials too large for a scanner.


However, speaking as someone with 20 years of professional experience 
working with a collection of half a million archival photographs,   I must 
point out that there is no substitute for an original negative or slide in 
terms of potential image quality, whether as a darkroom print or as a scan. 
In particular, with negatives the quality difference can be enormous. 
Achieving that quality requires more technical skills than copying a print 
but the potential is most certainly there.  ( That's not a criticism of 
you, Ken.  I really admire your work.  But I am a seriously experienced geek 
in this area.)


My main message is:  Don't get rid of your old negatives just because you 
think you can do better copying priints with a digital SLR.   Copying prints 
with a camera  is OK if you don't have the means to work with film, or all 
you have for an original is a print,  but if the pictures are important hang 
on to those little bits of film. They carry a  lot more information  in 
terms of detail, tonality and colour than prints.


Now I'll go back to lurking..

John Poirier

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Waller" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: K20D as Scanner


I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures that I 
didn't have the negs for.
I don't have a flat bed scanner & decided to shoot them with my K20D & my 
200mm f4.0 ED  Macro.


I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the image 
plane, using available light & being mindful to eliminate glare off the 
originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including applying a small 
amount of unsharp mask) & printed them (slightly larger than the original 
image) on my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo printer.


The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final results 
came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper. I seriously 
doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close to the 
digitally produced images.


FYI

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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Paul Stenquist]

You're missing the fact that the amount of flash exposure you can work  
into a shot is dependent only on the f stop. So if I shoot a backlit  
portrait outdoors at f5.6, 1.250th, I can fill flash in at that 5.6  
value. If I'm forced to stop down to f6.7 because I can't go beyond  
1/180th in shutter speed, I lose flash exposure and increase DOF.  
Ideally, I'd like to have flash synch up to 1/1000th, but that's  
complex and cost;y. And high-speed synch doesn't help much, because  
the flash power is greatly diminished by multiple firings.

Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:


On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 07:10:28PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is  
substantial

when shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight.

A lot can happen in  0.0016 seconds.

C'est what?


For example, someone walking by at a brisk pace of 4mph will move an
additional tenth of an inch. With a 1/250th sync, you could have  
caught them
moving only 0.3 inches, but n, with Pentax's horrible 1/180th,  
we're

stuck with a whole 0.4 inches of movement.

Of course, with hummingbirds, it's even worse. Why, at 1/180th, the
hummingbird's wings have gone through a whole 38% of a stroke. With  
1/250th,

that'd be reduced to a mere 28%.

Okay, seriously -- the time difference just doesn't seem that much.  
(1/643
of a second *different*.) Neither does half a stop. I accept that  
there's
some narrow cases where it'd help, but I can't see it as the huge  
deal that

it seems to be to some folks. What am I missing?


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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Adam Maas]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Matthew Miller  wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 07:10:28PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
>> >> The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial
>> >> when shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight.
>> > A lot can happen in  0.0016 seconds.
>> C'est what?
>
> For example, someone walking by at a brisk pace of 4mph will move an
> additional tenth of an inch. With a 1/250th sync, you could have caught them
> moving only 0.3 inches, but n, with Pentax's horrible 1/180th, we're
> stuck with a whole 0.4 inches of movement.
>
> Of course, with hummingbirds, it's even worse. Why, at 1/180th, the
> hummingbird's wings have gone through a whole 38% of a stroke. With 1/250th,
> that'd be reduced to a mere 28%.
>
> Okay, seriously -- the time difference just doesn't seem that much. (1/643
> of a second *different*.) Neither does half a stop. I accept that there's
> some narrow cases where it'd help, but I can't see it as the huge deal that
> it seems to be to some folks. What am I missing?
>
>
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A half-stop is a huge deal when shooting outdoor with fill flash from
a speedlight. You need that extra half-stop of aperture to cover up
for the lack of power from the speedlight (vs the sun). It's one
reason why the 6MP Nikon consumer bodies found their way into so many
pro's bags, as they offered true sync speeds to 1/500 (or max shutter
with non-dedicated flash) and High speed sync costs far too much power
to be really useful outdoors.

Frankly, a 1/4000 max shutter with 1/250 sync would have been a better
compromise than 1/8000 and 1/180.
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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 07:10:28PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
> >> The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial
> >> when shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight.
> > A lot can happen in  0.0016 seconds.
> C'est what?

For example, someone walking by at a brisk pace of 4mph will move an
additional tenth of an inch. With a 1/250th sync, you could have caught them
moving only 0.3 inches, but n, with Pentax's horrible 1/180th, we're
stuck with a whole 0.4 inches of movement.

Of course, with hummingbirds, it's even worse. Why, at 1/180th, the
hummingbird's wings have gone through a whole 38% of a stroke. With 1/250th,
that'd be reduced to a mere 28%.

Okay, seriously -- the time difference just doesn't seem that much. (1/643
of a second *different*.) Neither does half a stop. I accept that there's
some narrow cases where it'd help, but I can't see it as the huge deal that
it seems to be to some folks. What am I missing?


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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...


> timber,
> The rest of us have no idea where you are looking to form your opinions.
> Maybe you can back them up with something?  Pictures, links, ???

Really. To me, it isn't missing anything crucial. A higher sync speed would 
have been nice, but it isn't a killer for me. Other than that, I kinda have 
to wait until I can get my hands on one to see if the AF is sufficiently 
fast for me. For the rest, it looks pretty darned good.

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Re: K20D as Scanner

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- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: K20D as Scanner


That's interesting Ken.  I've used the A100/2.8 macro to shoot artwork
onto slides for projecting at focus groups.  My methodology was
similar, insure perpendicular and use available light (living room
window).  Results were very acceptable.
>From what you say, I'll have some copy work to do for my sister the
family's genealogist.

Here's a little trick.
Now that darkroom stuff is being given away for the cost of hauling it, look 
for something like a Beseler 6x7 or 6x9 enlarger. If you take the head off 
of it you will find a 3/8x20 screw just waiting to take a tripod head.
Enlarger chassis' are really good copy stands.

If you can get a colour one, the head can often be coaxed into working as a 
light source for copying slides.

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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Bob Sullivan]

timber,
The rest of us have no idea where you are looking to form your opinions.
Maybe you can back them up with something?  Pictures, links, ???
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Peter Zalabai  wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> Sorry for opening a new K-7 thread... I just tought to share my thoughts
> with you...
>
> So... K-7. When I first saw the pictures it was a beauty for me. The first
> thing that crossed my mind is "I MUST HAVE ONE" (yeah with all-caps :D). The
> K-7 is a very nice and very stylish camera and it brings back the old style
> when engineers designed machines with ruler and bows. Personally I dislike
> the now trendy 'everything is rounded' style that rules the designs nowadays
> (cars, computers, phones etc). But, oh-well, Nikon has quite similar design
> with D3 and D700, so it's not that unique, yet Pentax made it much more
> stylish than Nikon (IMHO).
>
> Then as the first set of so-called-specifications came the K-7 was still a
> promising camera. 1/250 Synch and 1/8000 Shutter, Better AF, HD-Video, AF
> Assist light, etc. All in all the K-7 was the nice big red balloon that
> everyone wants :)
>
> But as time passed by the specifications turned to be false or
> not-that-nice. 1/250 went back to 1/180, Better AF -like the sensor- is just
> an Improved (but same) SAFOX VII, HD-Video is "only" 720 lines and motion
> JPEG...
>
> And now the test shots on the official page... Terrible. First the girl...
> totally lacks sharpness for me and well the dynamic range of the photo seems
> to me not that awesome. Then same applies to almost all shots. And in the
> end the last shot made with the 12-24. Terrible CA. One of the new features
> is the CA correction and this how they market it?
>
> So all in all I am very disappointed with the K-7 as the "new" flagship
> model. It's nothing more just the K20D with a class-closing (or how should I
> call the opposite of class leading? :D) HD video feature and tweaked
> features. The nice big red balloon seems to be popped out...
>
> But don't get me wrong... I still love the K20D and the Pentax Side of Life
> :)
>
> Regards,
> .timber
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Re: Keukenhof Gardens

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Paul, for your comments.

The first picture is my favorite image of the gardens.  The second is
a nearby field of tulips.  It was so amazing, I needed to record it,
even though conditions were not great.

Dan

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM, paul stenquist
 wrote:
> I like the first. Great color. The white sky in the second pic gets in my
> way, but the tulips are spectacular.
> Paul
> On May 21, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>>>
 I was scanning some old travel photos that I took a few years back on
 film.  Here is one of my favorite places:



 http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=12

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Re: K20D as Scanner

[Bob Sullivan]

That's interesting Ken.  I've used the A100/2.8 macro to shoot artwork
onto slides for projecting at focus groups.  My methodology was
similar, insure perpendicular and use available light (living room
window).  Results were very acceptable.
>From what you say, I'll have some copy work to do for my sister the
family's genealogist.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures that I
> didn't have the negs for.
> I don't have a flat bed scanner & decided to shoot them with my K20D & my
> 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro.
>
> I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the image
> plane, using available light & being mindful to eliminate glare off the
> originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including applying a small amount
> of unsharp mask) & printed them (slightly larger than the original image) on
> my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo printer.
>
> The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final results
> came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper. I seriously
> doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close to the
> digitally produced images.
>
> FYI
>
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Re: PESO: Keukenhof Gardens

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Bob

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Dan,
> A beautiful place and beautiful pictures to match.
> I have some similar Kodachromes I shot with my new ME in '76(?).
> Resolution was astounding.  Hooked me on Pentax.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
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>> film.  Here is one of my favorite places:
>>
>> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=12
>>
>> Comments and criticisms welcome.
>>
>> Dan
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Re: K20D as Scanner

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On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 09:30:25PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> That's interesting Ken.  I've used the A100/2.8 macro to shoot artwork
> onto slides for projecting at focus groups.  My methodology was
> similar, insure perpendicular and use available light (living room
> window).  Results were very acceptable.
> >From what you say, I'll have some copy work to do for my sister the
> family's genealogist.

There's a whole chapter on doing this sort of thing in Light, Science
and Magic.


> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> > I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures that I
> > didn't have the negs for.
> > I don't have a flat bed scanner & decided to shoot them with my K20D & my
> > 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro.
> >
> > I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the image
> > plane, using available light & being mindful to eliminate glare off the
> > originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including applying a small amount
> > of unsharp mask) & printed them (slightly larger than the original image) on
> > my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo printer.
> >
> > The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final results
> > came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper. I seriously
> > doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close to the
> > digitally produced images.
> >
> > FYI
> >
> > Kenneth Waller
> > http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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Re: K20D as Scanner

[paul stenquist]

Excellent. You apparently did everything right.
Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures  
that I didn't have the negs for.
I don't have a flat bed scanner & decided to shoot them with my K20D  
& my 200mm f4.0 ED  Macro.


I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the  
image plane, using available light & being mindful to eliminate  
glare off the originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including  
applying a small amount of unsharp mask) & printed them (slightly  
larger than the original image) on my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo  
printer.


The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final  
results came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and  
sharper. I seriously doubt if wet prints off the original negs would  
even come close to the digitally produced images.


FYI

Kenneth Waller
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Re: PESO: Keukenhof Gardens

[Bob Sullivan]

Dan,
A beautiful place and beautiful pictures to match.
I have some similar Kodachromes I shot with my new ME in '76(?).
Resolution was astounding.  Hooked me on Pentax.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> I was scanning some old travel photos that I took a few years back on
> film.  Here is one of my favorite places:
>
> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=12
>
> Comments and criticisms welcome.
>
> Dan
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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Doug Franklin]

Thibouille wrote:

I wonder how one can draw such conclusions:


What, you've never been to Ken R***'s web site?

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Re: Keukenhof Gardens

[paul stenquist]

I like the first. Great color. The white sky in the second pic gets in  
my way, but the tulips are spectacular.

Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:



I was scanning some old travel photos that I took a few years back  
on

film.  Here is one of my favorite places:


http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=12

Comments and criticisms welcome.

Dan

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Re: Keukenhof Gardens

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks for looking, and thanks for your comments, Christine.

Dan

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Christine  Aguila
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> Wow, Dan, the Keukenhof Garden shot is beautiful.  The color is just
> wonderful, and I very much like the composition. Not as keen on the red
> Tulip shot, but the expanse of red color is impressive, but to my eye it
> really pales in comparison to the first shot.  Very nicely done in the 1st
> one, Dan.  Cheers, Christine
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
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> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
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> Subject: PESO: Keukenhof Gardens
>
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>> I was scanning some old travel photos that I took a few years back on
>> film.  Here is one of my favorite places:
>>
>>
>> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=12
>>
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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[John Francis]

Or using the flash for catchlights, and wanting to use 1/250
for other reasons (such as, say, photographing cars in motion).
High-speed flash sync probably works fine for that, though.

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 09:14:40PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
> It's not about what can happen of course. It's about getting your stop  
> and still being able to use fill.
> Paul
> On May 21, 2009, at 9:10 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Matthew Miller"
>> Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...
>>
>>
>>
 The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is  
 substantial
 when
 shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight.
>>>
>>> A lot can happen in  0.0016 seconds.
>>>
>>
>> C'est what?
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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

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It's not about what can happen of course. It's about getting your stop  
and still being able to use fill.

Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 9:10 PM, William Robb wrote:



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The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is  
substantial

when
shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight.


A lot can happen in  0.0016 seconds.



C'est what?

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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

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>> The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial 
>> when
>> shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight.
>
> A lot can happen in  0.0016 seconds.
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C'est what?

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Re: Fleetwood Mac - Quackers, Redwings, and Rushes

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>
 in 1966. Some of my
> classmates were in a band called the Tradewinds, and they sang "We  Gotta 
> Get Out of This Place. In later years they changed their name to  Styx and 
> sold some records.

Kewl. They were a band I quite liked.

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Re: Fleetwood Mac - Quackers, Redwings, and Rushes

[paul stenquist]

My best memories include listening to Joe Cocker sing "With a Little  
Help from My Friends" in 1968 while sitting on the floor at the Aragon  
Ballroom in Chicago. Pass that joint! Then the Paul Butterfield Blues  
Band singing "Love March" at the Arie Crown Theater in 1969. And I  
can't forget senior day at my high school in 1966. Some of my  
classmates were in a band called the Tradewinds, and they sang "We  
Gotta Get Out of This Place. In later years they changed their name to  
Styx and sold some records.

Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 7:08 PM, John Sessoms wrote:


From: Joseph McAllister

On May 18, 2009, at 12:30 , John Francis wrote:

> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:42:45PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:

>> John Francis wrote:
>>

>>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 09:06:53AM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Charles Robinson

 A - but my FIRST concert was October 11, 1965;  
Reynolds   Coliseum,

 Raleigh, NC - The Rolling Stones.

>>>
>>> Beat me by four years - my first (and only) Stones concert was
>>> the 1969 "Concert for Brian" in Hyde Park.
Being older than most of you by a few years, I can state that I   
attended many concerts in San Francisco at many venues between  
1967  and 1972.  Don't remember many of them. Golden Gate Park was  
the  closest to my apartment in the Haight. There I saw Baez,  
Dylan, Janis,  Santana, Slick, Hendrix and Havens. My first wife's  
sister lived  across the street from Kezar Stadium, and we listened  
to a few  concerts there from their living room windows. At some  
point, I  probably saw Lindsey and Stevie Nicks open for Hendrix or  
Janis as  "Fritz". Some of the aforementioned were also at Altamont  
in 69. I  left there before the Stones were finished with their  
set. Too freaky.
But the most memorable indoor event was Zappa's "The Mothers of   
Invention" concert. Loud, tight, marvelously cacophonous  music.  
That  was topped in 1972 or 73 by Pink Floyd in Boston at the  
Garden. Dark  Side of the Moon. 6th row center and properly  
medicated. At least a  week before I could hear well again. Never  
been able to think well  again though. Been a Floyd addict ever  
since.


Most of my "memorable" concert moments are oddities

... a Jethro Tull show for the Aqualung tour that probably didn't  
draw 200 people - Ian Anderson sitting down on the front edge of the  
stage between songs to talk to people in the audience


... and "For What It's Worth", Buffalo Springfield opening for the  
Beach Boys in 1966 or 1967


... a "back to school" dance in 1968 - $2 cover for some band from  
Georgia ... The Allman Brothers BEFORE they could afford  
motorcycles. Three 40 minute sets


... another dance that year put on by the student union in the old  
Graham Memorial building at UNC; $3 cover for some band from  
California called the Grateful Dead.


... Moody Blues at Memorial Auditorium with the NC Symphony  
orchestra where I took the Pentax Auto-110 kit since the back of the  
ticket didn't have the usual "no cameras allowed" restrictions.


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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 08:54:29PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
> The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial when 
> shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight.

A lot can happen in  0.0016 seconds.


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Re: CA correction on the K-7

[paul stenquist]

The new DA* lenses display much less CA on a digital sensor than do  
any of my A, M, SMC or FA lenses. Your concern smacks of deep paranoia.

Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 7:06 PM, JC OConnell wrote:


Im afraid in camera correction may be an excuse for them
to start putting out uncorrected lenses that require
new bodies to perform properly. Wouldnt be that bad if
the lenses got real cheap, but will they?

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Jefferson



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Subject: Re: CA correction on the K-7


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:57:37PM -0400, John Francis wrote:

Apparently (from posts on the DPReview forum) this takes *several
seconds* per exposure.  Sounds hard to believe, but if this is true I
guess it's not all that useful.


Yeah, seriously. Although the in-camera raw conversion can still do  
it.
If the feature turns out to be debilitating 3-4 seconds downtime  
after I
click would definitely cause me to miss shots. On the other hand,  
maybe

I can learn turn it on sometimes simply to force myself to be more
deliberate in my shooting. :)

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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[paul stenquist]

The difference between 1/180th and 1/250th flash synch is substantial  
when shooting a brightly backlit subject in bright daylight.

Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Thibouille wrote:


I wonder how one can draw such conclusions:

* without trying the camera
* seing anything else than sample (usually uninteresting whatever the
brand) and a picture (of the girl) from internal Jpeg with sharpness
set a -2, custom image settings set to portrait (!!)
* You didn't test AF and probably you didn't read reports of quite
speedier AF specially those with SDM,
* Light type sensor for correcting AF (less FF/BF issue e.g. in  
tungsten light)

* You ignore the fact that Mjpeg may mean a whole lot better quality
(at the bit rate mentionned by Pentax) that Panasonic GH1 or Canon
5dii,
* AF and aperture control in video (5dii where are you?)
* That the 'huge' difference between 1/180 and 1/250 is a half stop
(wow, huge). Btw, 5Dii is stuck at 1/200,
,

Ignoring all other features (useful or not for you):
* HDR,
* contrast AF /Face detection,
* built-in level and auto level with SR,
* dampened mirror/shutter;
* fps,
* copyright credits on recorded images,
* completely new metering,
* 100% viewfinder,
* shutter certified for 100,000 actuations,
* stereo sound in video using an external mic,
* AA batteries possibility  with grip,
* etc.

A lot of assumptions, never having it in your hands, don't you think?

You may want a bit of a read:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/K7/K7A.HTM

I do not want you to be convinced, but your reaction now and based on
those arguments is baseless IMO.

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

[paul stenquist]

I don't notice a bit difference between the two cameras, other than  
the fact that the K7 is shooting more frames per second. But I don't  
care about noise for the most part.

Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Bob W wrote:



Thibouille wrote:

Ouch! ;)
Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY


that must be from the Slavic region of Spain.



that guy's face is as expressive as a Gerry Anderson character.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNkEa5EjQE

The camera is very loud compared to an E-1.

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Re: PESO 2009 - 072 - GDG

[paul stenquist]

Compelling. An excellent photograph.
Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Bob W wrote:



Was in SF yesterday ...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3551435307_f2e450791d_o.jpg
072 - "Landing" - San Francisco 2009
Panasonic G1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8
ISO 100 @ f/4 @ 1/500 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3551435307/

Comments always appreciated.



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RE: K20D as Scanner

[JC OConnell]

as good as that worked, using a decent flatbed scanner
would probably be even better! scanners can be super
critical sharp too.

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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:49 PM
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Subject: K20D as Scanner


I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures that
I 
didn't have the negs for.
I don't have a flat bed scanner & decided to shoot them with my K20D &
my 
200mm f4.0 ED  Macro.

I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the image

plane, using available light & being mindful to eliminate glare off the 
originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including applying a small
amount 
of unsharp mask) & printed them (slightly larger than the original
image) on 
my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo printer.

The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final
results 
came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper. I
seriously 
doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close to the 
digitally produced images.

FYI

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Re: Keukenhof Gardens

[Christine Aguila]

Wow, Dan, the Keukenhof Garden shot is beautiful.  The color is just 
wonderful, and I very much like the composition. Not as keen on the red 
Tulip shot, but the expanse of red color is impressive, but to my eye it 
really pales in comparison to the first shot.  Very nicely done in the 1st 
one, Dan.  Cheers, Christine




- Original Message - 
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To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:22 PM
Subject: PESO: Keukenhof Gardens



I was scanning some old travel photos that I took a few years back on
film.  Here is one of my favorite places:

http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=12

Comments and criticisms welcome.

Dan

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K20D as Scanner

[Ken Waller]

I had the need for prints from some 50 year old B+W family pictures that I 
didn't have the negs for.
I don't have a flat bed scanner & decided to shoot them with my K20D & my 
200mm f4.0 ED  Macro.


I shot them using a tripod, making sure I was perpendicular to the image 
plane, using available light & being mindful to eliminate glare off the 
originals. I shot raw, ran them thru CS2 (including applying a small amount 
of unsharp mask) & printed them (slightly larger than the original image) on 
my 12 year old Epson Stylus Photo printer.


The results are simply astounding ! Its hard to believe the final results 
came from the 50 year old original - much clearer and sharper. I seriously 
doubt if wet prints off the original negs would even come close to the 
digitally produced images.


FYI

Kenneth Waller
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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Ken Waller]

The enclosed link should help sell a few K7s !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Thibouille" 


Subject: Re: Oh another K-7 thread...



I wonder how one can draw such conclusions:

* without trying the camera
* seing anything else than sample (usually uninteresting whatever the
brand) and a picture (of the girl) from internal Jpeg with sharpness
set a -2, custom image settings set to portrait (!!)
* You didn't test AF and probably you didn't read reports of quite
speedier AF specially those with SDM,
* Light type sensor for correcting AF (less FF/BF issue e.g. in tungsten 
light)

* You ignore the fact that Mjpeg may mean a whole lot better quality
(at the bit rate mentionned by Pentax) that Panasonic GH1 or Canon
5dii,
* AF and aperture control in video (5dii where are you?)
* That the 'huge' difference between 1/180 and 1/250 is a half stop
(wow, huge). Btw, 5Dii is stuck at 1/200,
,

Ignoring all other features (useful or not for you):
* HDR,
* contrast AF /Face detection,
* built-in level and auto level with SR,
* dampened mirror/shutter;
* fps,
* copyright credits on recorded images,
* completely new metering,
* 100% viewfinder,
* shutter certified for 100,000 actuations,
* stereo sound in video using an external mic,
* AA batteries possibility  with grip,
* etc.

A lot of assumptions, never having it in your hands, don't you think?

You may want a bit of a read:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/K7/K7A.HTM






I do not want you to be convinced, but your reaction now and based on
those arguments is baseless IMO.

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Re: K7 HD video

[David Savage]

2009/5/20 Larry Colen :
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:11:08AM -0500, Christine  Aguila wrote:
>>
>> From: "David Savage" 
>>
>
>> >>Roger that!  ;-)
>> >
>> >*bites tongue*
>>
>> Oh gosh, I didn't mean it that way, Dave.
>
> A billboard I had to get a picture of, even if it was just with my
> cell phone:
> http://red4est.com/lrc/pix/rogereverything142.jpg
>
> I have a friend that I have so far resisted asking about her name
> being two word sentence. Her surname is Rogers.

HAR!

DS

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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Peter Zalabai]

Not conclusions, just feelings. I found very disappointing the sample 
shots on Pentax' site. I remember the old D300 sample shots that were 
shocking me and now seeing these shots to me it seems that the K-7 is 
worse than the K20D. I am not saying K-7 is bad or good but most of the 
"all other features" you mention are a, Box-Features; b, fixing 
weaknesses (marked them in your list). The VF and 100K Shutter are nice :)


I just expressed my feeling about the K-7 which was a dissapointment for 
me. I still have traces of the "I WANT ONE" fever but... oh, you know :)


And still... the sample shots on the site sucks. And _that's_ really 
disappointing.


Again... I am not here to argue, to convince or judge anything or 
anyone... I just had a feeling about the K-7, based on all the info I 
got, which I wanted to share... :) So don't take it as an offense please 
;) (Why so serious? :D)


Regards,
.timber


Thibouille wrote:

a HDR,
a contrast AF /Face detection,
* built-in level and auto level with SR,
b dampened mirror/shutter;
b fps,
b copyright credits on recorded images,
b completely new metering,
* 100% viewfinder,
* shutter certified for 100,000 actuations,
a stereo sound in video using an external mic,
b AA batteries possibility  with grip,
  



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Re: Fleetwood Mac - Quackers, Redwings, and Rushes

[John Sessoms]

From: Joseph McAllister

On May 18, 2009, at 12:30 , John Francis wrote:

> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 02:42:45PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:

>> John Francis wrote:
>>

>>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 09:06:53AM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Charles Robinson

 A - but my FIRST concert was October 11, 1965; Reynolds  
 Coliseum,

 Raleigh, NC - The Rolling Stones.

>>>
>>> Beat me by four years - my first (and only) Stones concert was
>>> the 1969 "Concert for Brian" in Hyde Park.



Being older than most of you by a few years, I can state that I  
attended many concerts in San Francisco at many venues between 1967  
and 1972.  Don't remember many of them. Golden Gate Park was the  
closest to my apartment in the Haight. There I saw Baez, Dylan, Janis,  
Santana, Slick, Hendrix and Havens. My first wife's sister lived  
across the street from Kezar Stadium, and we listened to a few  
concerts there from their living room windows. At some point, I  
probably saw Lindsey and Stevie Nicks open for Hendrix or Janis as  
"Fritz". Some of the aforementioned were also at Altamont in 69. I  
left there before the Stones were finished with their set. Too freaky.


But the most memorable indoor event was Zappa's "The Mothers of  
Invention" concert. Loud, tight, marvelously cacophonous  music. That  
was topped in 1972 or 73 by Pink Floyd in Boston at the Garden. Dark  
Side of the Moon. 6th row center and properly medicated. At least a  
week before I could hear well again. Never been able to think well  
again though. Been a Floyd addict ever since.


Most of my "memorable" concert moments are oddities

... a Jethro Tull show for the Aqualung tour that probably didn't draw 
200 people - Ian Anderson sitting down on the front edge of the stage 
between songs to talk to people in the audience


... and "For What It's Worth", Buffalo Springfield opening for the Beach 
Boys in 1966 or 1967


... a "back to school" dance in 1968 - $2 cover for some band from 
Georgia ... The Allman Brothers BEFORE they could afford motorcycles. 
Three 40 minute sets


... another dance that year put on by the student union in the old 
Graham Memorial building at UNC; $3 cover for some band from California 
called the Grateful Dead.


... Moody Blues at Memorial Auditorium with the NC Symphony orchestra 
where I took the Pentax Auto-110 kit since the back of the ticket didn't 
have the usual "no cameras allowed" restrictions.


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RE: CA correction on the K-7

[JC OConnell]

Im afraid in camera correction may be an excuse for them
to start putting out uncorrected lenses that require
new bodies to perform properly. Wouldnt be that bad if
the lenses got real cheap, but will they?

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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:57:37PM -0400, John Francis wrote:
> Apparently (from posts on the DPReview forum) this takes *several 
> seconds* per exposure.  Sounds hard to believe, but if this is true I 
> guess it's not all that useful.

Yeah, seriously. Although the in-camera raw conversion can still do it.
If the feature turns out to be debilitating 3-4 seconds downtime after I
click would definitely cause me to miss shots. On the other hand, maybe
I can learn turn it on sometimes simply to force myself to be more
deliberate in my shooting. :)

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Re: GESO and SoFoBoMo - A Few Days on the Coast

[Brian Walters]

Thanks Dave.  Much appreciated.


Cheers

Brian

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On Thu, 21 May 2009 20:22 +0800, "David Savage" 
wrote:
> That's a gorgeous gallery Brian.
> 
> Thanks for sharing.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
> 
> 2009/5/19 Brian Walters :
> > Hi all
> >
> > A week or two ago my wife and I spent a few days on the New South Wales'
> > south coast. We often spend a week there at this time of year and, as it
> > more or less coincided with the start of SoFoBoMo for 2009, I decided to
> > use the south coast area as my SoFoBoMo project this year.
> >
> > If you don't know what SoFoBoMo is all about, take a look here:
> >
> > http://www.sofobomo.org/2009/
> >
> > (it's a lot of fun and it's not to late to participate this year if
> > you're so inclined).
> >
> >
> > Anyway, here's the link to my SoFoBoMo "book".
> >
> > http://www.sofobomo.org/2009/books/supera1000/a-few-days-on-the-coast/
> >
> >
> > As it's a large pdf file, here is a GESO of just the photos:
> >
> > http://supera.jalbum.net/A_Few_Days_on_the_Coast/index.html
> >
> > I was reasonably happy with the results but I really didn't have
> > sufficient time to do the project justice.  There are some photos
> > included that are a little weaker than I'd like.  If I participate in
> > 2010, I'll make sure I have a wider selection of images to choose from
> > and perhaps spend a bit more time on including meaningful
> > text.
> 
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Re: GESO and SoFoBoMo - A Few Days on the Coast

[Brian Walters]

Hi Peter

On Thu, 21 May 2009 21:52 +1000, "Peter McIntosh" 
wrote:


> 
> Absolutely stunning.  You have captured a picturesque part of the
> south exquisitely.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter in western Sydney
 


Thanks - you are too kind.

The part of the coast from about Ulladulla to Bairnsdale is wonderful -
I never get sick of visiting it.  I just need more time.


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
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> 2009/5/19 Brian Walters :
> > Hi all
> >
> > A week or two ago my wife and I spent a few days on the New South Wales'
> > south coast. We often spend a week there at this time of year and, as it
> > more or less coincided with the start of SoFoBoMo for 2009, I decided to
> > use the south coast area as my SoFoBoMo project this year.
> >
> > If you don't know what SoFoBoMo is all about, take a look here:
> >
> > http://www.sofobomo.org/2009/
> >
> > (it's a lot of fun and it's not to late to participate this year if
> > you're so inclined).
> >
> >
> > Anyway, here's the link to my SoFoBoMo "book".
> >
> > http://www.sofobomo.org/2009/books/supera1000/a-few-days-on-the-coast/
> >
> >
> > As it's a large pdf file, here is a GESO of just the photos:
> >
> > http://supera.jalbum.net/A_Few_Days_on_the_Coast/index.html
> >
> > I was reasonably happy with the results but I really didn't have
> > sufficient time to do the project justice.  There are some photos
> > included that are a little weaker than I'd like.  If I participate in
> > 2010, I'll make sure I have a wider selection of images to choose from
> > and perhaps spend a bit more time on including meaningful
> > text.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++
> > Brian Walters
> > Western Sydney Australia
> > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
>
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Re: Oh another K-7 thread...

[Thibouille]

I wonder how one can draw such conclusions:

* without trying the camera
* seing anything else than sample (usually uninteresting whatever the
brand) and a picture (of the girl) from internal Jpeg with sharpness
set a -2, custom image settings set to portrait (!!)
* You didn't test AF and probably you didn't read reports of quite
speedier AF specially those with SDM,
* Light type sensor for correcting AF (less FF/BF issue e.g. in tungsten light)
* You ignore the fact that Mjpeg may mean a whole lot better quality
(at the bit rate mentionned by Pentax) that Panasonic GH1 or Canon
5dii,
* AF and aperture control in video (5dii where are you?)
* That the 'huge' difference between 1/180 and 1/250 is a half stop
(wow, huge). Btw, 5Dii is stuck at 1/200,
,

Ignoring all other features (useful or not for you):
* HDR,
* contrast AF /Face detection,
* built-in level and auto level with SR,
* dampened mirror/shutter;
* fps,
* copyright credits on recorded images,
* completely new metering,
* 100% viewfinder,
* shutter certified for 100,000 actuations,
* stereo sound in video using an external mic,
* AA batteries possibility  with grip,
* etc.

 A lot of assumptions, never having it in your hands, don't you think?

You may want a bit of a read:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/K7/K7A.HTM

I do not want you to be convinced, but your reaction now and based on
those arguments is baseless IMO.

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RE: Peso More Zoo stuff.

[Brian Walters]

They don't do the cooking; just the eating.

:-)>



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On Thu, 21 May 2009 21:43 +0100, "Bob W"  wrote:
> > 
> > Kookaburra are basically just big kingfishers - they can become pretty
> > tame and will often gather around outdoor barbecue areas and demand a
> > hand-out.
> 
> So why isn't it called a Cook-a-burger?
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Here's what they sound like:
> > 
> > http://www.fnpw.com.au/Images/Backyard_Buddies/Clips/dacelo_no
> > vaguineae.mp3
> > 
> > (it starts quietly and then ramps up the volume)
> > 
> 
> 
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Oh another K-7 thread...

[Peter Zalabai]

Hi list,

Sorry for opening a new K-7 thread... I just tought to share my thoughts 
with you...


So... K-7. When I first saw the pictures it was a beauty for me. The 
first thing that crossed my mind is "I MUST HAVE ONE" (yeah with 
all-caps :D). The K-7 is a very nice and very stylish camera and it 
brings back the old style when engineers designed machines with ruler 
and bows. Personally I dislike the now trendy 'everything is rounded' 
style that rules the designs nowadays (cars, computers, phones etc). 
But, oh-well, Nikon has quite similar design with D3 and D700, so it's 
not that unique, yet Pentax made it much more stylish than Nikon (IMHO).


Then as the first set of so-called-specifications came the K-7 was still 
a promising camera. 1/250 Synch and 1/8000 Shutter, Better AF, HD-Video, 
AF Assist light, etc. All in all the K-7 was the nice big red balloon 
that everyone wants :)


But as time passed by the specifications turned to be false or 
not-that-nice. 1/250 went back to 1/180, Better AF -like the sensor- is 
just an Improved (but same) SAFOX VII, HD-Video is "only" 720 lines and 
motion JPEG...


And now the test shots on the official page... Terrible. First the 
girl... totally lacks sharpness for me and well the dynamic range of the 
photo seems to me not that awesome. Then same applies to almost all 
shots. And in the end the last shot made with the 12-24. Terrible CA. 
One of the new features is the CA correction and this how they market it?


So all in all I am very disappointed with the K-7 as the "new" flagship 
model. It's nothing more just the K20D with a class-closing (or how 
should I call the opposite of class leading? :D) HD video feature and 
tweaked features. The nice big red balloon seems to be popped out...


But don't get me wrong... I still love the K20D and the Pentax Side of 
Life :)


Regards,
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Re: PESO 2009 - 072 - GDG

[David J Brooks]

Thats a great shot.

Dave

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> Was in SF yesterday ...
>
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3551435307_f2e450791d_o.jpg
> 072 - "Landing" - San Francisco 2009
> Panasonic G1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8
> ISO 100 @ f/4 @ 1/500 sec
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> Comments always appreciated.
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Re: OT PESO: At Rest

[David J Brooks]

Nice.

Dave

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:07 AM, David Savage  wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> Now for some Voigtlander 125mm goodness:
>
> 
>
> Direct link (~115kb)
>
> 
>
> D700, V125mm, f4 @ 1/250, ISO 800, a bit of pop up flash for fill.
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> Taken in Dales Gorge, Karijini National park.
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> Enjoy.
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Re: PESO - Street

[David J Brooks]

I agree 100%

Dave

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> What a remarkable and original image!
>
> I like the tone and the composition, the hint of color in the woman's
> shoes compared to the absence of color elsewhere, and the macroscian
> effect of the woman's shadow.  I think that the man's foot entering
> from the bottom of the frame, and the way it seems hanging in
> mid-step, reall makes the shot.
>
> Thanks for sharing this thought-provoking shot.
>
> Dan
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM, DagT  wrote:
>> http://dag.foto.no/cgi-bin/portfolio/layout1/show_kategori_image.cgi?brukerid=158&serieid=332&bildeid=59565&seriesortoffsett=0
>>
>> K20D, DA15mm 1:4.0
>>
>> Comments are appreciated .-)
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PESO: Keukenhof Gardens

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I was scanning some old travel photos that I took a few years back on
film.  Here is one of my favorite places:

http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=12

Comments and criticisms welcome.

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

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On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>>
>> Thibouille wrote:
>> > Ouch! ;)
>> > Here it is:
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY
>>
>> that must be from the Slavic region of Spain.
>>
>
> that guy's face is as expressive as a Gerry Anderson character.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNkEa5EjQE
>
> The camera is very loud compared to an E-1.

But not as loud as C4.

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Re: Pentax K7

[paul stenquist]

Okay, I'm sold. I've been trying to talk myself out of it, but the  
list won't let me:-)

Paul
On May 20, 2009, at 3:27 PM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message -
From: "paul stenquist"
Subject: Re: Pentax K7



Why not? The K-7 is only a bit better speced than the K20D.   
Delete  the
video capability, add improved autofocus and perhaps even more low   
light

capability. Aim it at a more serious photographer. I wouldn't be
surprised to see such a camera.


I'm actually seeing some pretty major (on paper) improvements over  
the K20.
The frame rate increase is huge, the buffer is significantly larger,  
the
extra 2 channels of pipeline from sensor to image processor is a big  
step.
Removing the sensor from dust removal and going to ultrasonic should  
make

the dust removal more effective.
They are giving it another stop or so of SR effectiveness, and it  
looks like

the built in flash, as much as I hate the things, actually has enough
seperation from the lens to be useful.
This doesn't even start to address some of the things they've done  
in the

menu system, such as allowing imbedded copyright data right out of the
camera and the fine tuning ability that they have applied to the  
sensor WRT

composition, though we'll see how useful this really is.
Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using
innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used was  
in my

Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%.

The K20 is a decent camera with some major weaknesses, this one  
looks like
it should be the real deal, though I am sure some minor quibbles  
will show

up.
The only question I have is how soon can I have one delivered?

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Re: Peso Stones

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On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:54 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:37 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> I know IR is a love or hate it kind of thing
>>
>> So, love or hate this.;-)
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3539809221/
>>
>> Canon G3
>
> There's something ominous about the spikey fence tops that makes this
> photo very interesting IMHO.  I really like the IR rendering here.
>
> Good one!
>
> cheers,
> frank

Thanks Frank.
I wanted the spikey things in for some contrast and to break it up a bit.

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RE: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

[Bob W]

> 
> Thibouille wrote:
> > Ouch! ;)
> > Here it is:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY
> 
> that must be from the Slavic region of Spain.
> 

that guy's face is as expressive as a Gerry Anderson character. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNkEa5EjQE

The camera is very loud compared to an E-1.

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Re: PESO - Bird Cherry

[AlunFoto]

Hey thanks Frank!

And Dave for your primal groan too. :-)

Jostein

2009/5/21 frank theriault :
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:51 PM, AlunFoto  wrote:
>> http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2009/05/bird-cherry.html
>>
>> K20D, DA* 60-250/4, 1/2500s, f/4.0, ISO 400. FL= 250mm.
>>
>> I wanted to test if focus was constant through the zoom range, so I
>> took one shot at 60mm and this one at 250mm.
>> The lens was spot on. I begin to think I will like this lens a lot.
>
> Good light, beautiful blossoms, amazing bokeh.
>
> Very pretty photo!
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Re: K-7 size compared to competitors.

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On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:14:43AM +0200, Thibouille wrote:
> Even though I do not like Ricewhine, his blog shows a picture of great
> interest IMO.
> It shows K-7 compared to a couple competitors cameras. Difference is
> quite stunning IMO.

He's just reposting from here:


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Re: PESO - if ever I would leave you...

[Joseph McAllister]

On May 21, 2009, at 07:47 , Bob Sullivan wrote:


Nice, but kind'a blue.

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:

http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1232

enjoy


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Re: CA correction on the K-7

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 09:36:29PM -0700, Joseph McAllister wrote:
> I would guess that CA reduction and perspective correction could / would be 
> done post capture, but prior to offloading the card. After all, all the 
> information about the taking lens is there in the metadata. It's just a 
> software routine with sub-routines for each lens model that it can cover.

It can be done in the in-camera RAW converter, which is probably where I'll
use it most often.

> It would be nice if over time Pentax did run through the older lenses CA / 
> Distortion to update the firmware for A*, F*, FA*, then A, F, and FA. And 
> so forth. And a way to tell the camera a bit more than the focal length. If 

So, apparently, there's no lens data in the firmware -- it's all
communicated by the lens. And that communication started with the DA series,
even though there weren't yet bodies with the ability do do something with
the data. (So says JohnCPentax on the dpreview forums.)

> not in camera, then perhaps the Pentax software in computer could create a 
> file from the corrections you would make to an images or three from one of 
> these older lenses to correct for CA & Distortion, which could then be 
> loaded into the sub-routine cue of the camera's firmware.

Sure -- there's software to do this already. Noteably DxO, but in the open
source world, there's Fulla. 

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RE: PESO 2009 - 072 - GDG

[Bob W]

> 
> Was in SF yesterday ...
> 
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3551435307_f2e450791d_o.jpg
> 072 - "Landing" - San Francisco 2009
> Panasonic G1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8
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> Comments always appreciated.
> 

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Re: CA correction on the K-7

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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:57:37PM -0400, John Francis wrote:
> Apparently (from posts on the DPReview forum) this takes
> *several seconds* per exposure.  Sounds hard to believe,
> but if this is true I guess it's not all that useful.

Yeah, seriously. Although the in-camera raw conversion can still do it. If
the feature turns out to be debilitating 3-4 seconds downtime after I click
would definitely cause me to miss shots. On the other hand, maybe I can
learn turn it on sometimes simply to force myself to be more deliberate in
my shooting. :)

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RE: Peso More Zoo stuff.

[Bob W]

> 
> Kookaburra are basically just big kingfishers - they can become pretty
> tame and will often gather around outdoor barbecue areas and demand a
> hand-out.

So why isn't it called a Cook-a-burger?



> 
> Here's what they sound like:
> 
> http://www.fnpw.com.au/Images/Backyard_Buddies/Clips/dacelo_no
> vaguineae.mp3
> 
> (it starts quietly and then ramps up the volume)
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Re: OT PESO: At Rest

[Joseph McAllister]

On May 21, 2009, at 07:29 , Bob Sullivan wrote:


Rob Studdert showed me his in Sydney.


MARK!

If it doesn’t excite you,
This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: GESO Blues Dancing in Chicago

[paul stenquist]

I like your favorite shot. It exhibits a painterly pallet and a great  
sense of motion.

Paul
On May 20, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


I'm pretty much done with the dance shots from my chicago trip.
These are the better ones. What I ought to do is to go through these
and pick out the best dozen out of the 100 shots in the five sets, but
life intrudes. A lot of them were posted on my facebook in the preview
set I sent a link to a few weeks back.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157618384885452/

This may be my favorite shot of the weekend:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3548452509/sizes/l/in/set-72157618521434968/

It was shot at about 5 AM on Monday morning. Ruby (the redhead) was
one of the event organizers. I don't know where her energy came from.

Maybe, next week I can start on the non-dance photos.
It was an insane amount of work sorting and processing general event
shots. People are more interested in shots of themselves than in great
photographs, so rather than throwing away everything that isn't a
really good photo, I had to put a little bit of work into each shot
that was "good enough".

I am so glad that I don't make my living doing this. I can just
imagine how much worse it would be to do this at weddings.




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Re: PESO 2009 - 072 - GDG

[Doug Brewer]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Was in SF yesterday ...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3551435307_f2e450791d_o.jpg
072 - "Landing" - San Francisco 2009
Panasonic G1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8
ISO 100 @ f/4 @ 1/500 sec
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Comments always appreciated.

enjoy
Godfrey


that's very good. the handrail really makes it.

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Re: K-7 size compared to competitors.

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On May 21, 2009, at 02:14 , Thibouille wrote:


Even though I do not like Ricewhine, his blog shows a picture of great
interest IMO.
It shows K-7 compared to a couple competitors cameras. Difference is
quite stunning IMO.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3583/3543097453_a2f1101bda_o.jpg

K-7 is smaller than K20D and almost exactly the size of K200D.
Canon, Nikon and Olympus cameras look a bit ridiculously big compared
to the K-7.
Nice job Pentax. Now, maybe the size is too small for some of us,
we'll have to have one in hands to judge.


The depth of the grip on the K7 will help overcome the weight of a  
heavy lens that would otherwise be hard to hold onto. Get busy with  
finger grip excercises.


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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[Joseph McAllister]

On May 21, 2009, at 02:08 , Thibouille wrote:


Shift with the sensor is possible if I understood things correctly.
However, ther's not a lot of space for the sensor to move, e few
millimiteres at best.
It may help, it is nice to be able to, but it won't replace a true  
shift lens.


I agree. However, it will, would add an extension of what the shift  
lenses are capable of. I can't guess by how much though. Someone could  
figure out the difference in subject movement at infinity vs image  
movement at the focal plane for given lenses. Not my bailiwick.


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Re: PESO 2009 - 072 - GDG

[frank theriault]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

>
> Tres cool! Looks like a poster for an Alfred Hitchcock movie or
> something!

Funny, but I thought the same thing!

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Re: Pentax K7

[Paul Stenquist]

On May 21, 2009, at 3:34 PM, John Celio wrote:


According to a posting on the dpreview forums from JohnCPentax
(who appears to work at Pentax USA) you're going to be disappointed.

The K-7 *is* what was planned as the K30D, so there won't be one.


JohnCPentax does indeed work at Pentax.


And oh how I wish he was me.



I think you mean "oh how I wish I were he."


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RE: Pentax K7

[John Celio]

>> According to a posting on the dpreview forums from JohnCPentax
>> (who appears to work at Pentax USA) you're going to be disappointed.
>> 
>> The K-7 *is* what was planned as the K30D, so there won't be one.
> 
> JohnCPentax does indeed work at Pentax.

And oh how I wish he was me.

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Re: PESO 2009 - 072 - GDG

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>Was in SF yesterday ...
>
>http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3551435307_f2e450791d_o.jpg
>072 - "Landing" - San Francisco 2009
>Panasonic G1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8
>ISO 100 @ f/4 @ 1/500 sec
>   flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3551435307/
>
>Comments always appreciated.

Tres cool! Looks like a poster for an Alfred Hitchcock movie or
something!


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Re: PESO 2009 - 072 - GDG

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On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> Was in SF yesterday ...
>
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3551435307_f2e450791d_o.jpg
> 072 - "Landing" - San Francisco 2009
> Panasonic G1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8
> ISO 100 @ f/4 @ 1/500 sec
>  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3551435307/
>
> Comments always appreciated.

I LOVE it!

Very 50's or 60's feel to it.

Very dynamic, perfect capture, usual amazing rendering.

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Re: GESO Blues Dancing in Chicago

[frank theriault]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> I meet a lot more women dancing than I do at Linux User Group meetings
> or racing with the SCCA.

Go figure!

;-)

> There's one lass that I really want to do a
> photo session with sometime. Johanna looks like a Valkyrie. She is a
> bit over six feet tall and competes in crew on her college team. I
> knew that she was heading off in the next week or so to spend the
> summer training, I just found out last week that it's for the Olympic
> team.

Olympic team for what:  blues dancing, using Linux or racing sports
cars?  I had no idea there was an Olympic sport for any of those?

;-)

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PESO 2009 - 072 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Was in SF yesterday ...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3551435307_f2e450791d_o.jpg
072 - "Landing" - San Francisco 2009
Panasonic G1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8
ISO 100 @ f/4 @ 1/500 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3551435307/

Comments always appreciated.

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

[AlunFoto]

Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
Jostein

2009/5/21 Thibouille :
> Ouch! ;)
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> no link!
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Thibouille  wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
 Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
 I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
 exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's APS-C
 sized components.
>>>
>>> Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
>>> can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
>>> Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.
>>>
>>> And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
>>> you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
>>> storage.
>>>
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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

[Juan Buhler]

The guy's Spanish is really really accented I think :)

Nice sound. I'm thinking about a K7, to replace my K10D. I'm not sure
I need it though--been using the M8 mostly lately, and only use the
K10D with the 12-24 when I need a wide angle.

I'd get this camera for the possibility of shooting video on a big
sensor. But I'm also looking at the Panasonic G1HD, which might be
better for my shooting style.

Decisions...

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On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Thibouille  wrote:
> Ouch! ;)
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> no link!
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Thibouille  wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
 Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
 I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
 exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's APS-C
 sized components.
>>>
>>> Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
>>> can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
>>> Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.
>>>
>>> And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
>>> you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
>>> storage.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thibault Massart aka Thibouille
>>> --
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Re: PESO - if ever I would leave you...

[Ken Waller]

Very nice Doug. I like the presentation.

I'd try a little less of the image on the LH edge - doesn't add IMHO.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brewer" 

Subject: PESO - if ever I would leave you...



http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1232

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Re: OT PESO: At Rest

[Ken Waller]

What Brian said.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Walters" 

Subject: Re: OT PESO: At Rest



That's certainly a cut above the butterfly images that I've been giving
the thumbs down on the Pentax Gallery.

Sharp as a tack and great background.

That looks to be one hell of a lens.  



Cheers

Brian

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On Thu, 21 May 2009 21:07 +0800, "David Savage" 
wrote:

G'day All,

Now for some Voigtlander 125mm goodness:



Direct link (~115kb)



D700, V125mm, f4 @ 1/250, ISO 800, a bit of pop up flash for fill.

Taken in Dales Gorge, Karijini National park.

Enjoy.

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Re: PESO You looking at me?

[Larry Colen]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 01:03:57PM -0400, frank theriault wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> >
> > Sometimes autofocus comes in handy:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3550882806/sizes/o/in/set-72157618561275446/
> 
> Cute little feller.

Thanks, but what did you think of the squirrel?

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Re: GESO Blues Dancing in Chicago

[Larry Colen]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 01:08:25PM -0400, frank theriault wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> > I'm pretty much done with the dance shots from my chicago trip.
> > These are the better ones. What I ought to do is to go through these
> > and pick out the best dozen out of the 100 shots in the five sets, but
> > life intrudes. A lot of them were posted on my facebook in the preview
> > set I sent a link to a few weeks back.
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157618384885452/
> >
> > This may be my favorite shot of the weekend:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3548452509/sizes/l/in/set-72157618521434968/
> 
> 
> The sheer volume of the photos along with Flickr's horrible
> navigation/interface makes commenting on individual photos rather

I've learned a lot about event photography going through this set of
pictures. One big thing is to go through and do the good shots
first. I should probably trim those 100 shots down to about 12.

There is also a lot for me to learn about using a flash. It's not
usually light enough for me to use a flash, so I don't have much
practice.  Yes, I said light enough, if you use a flash when it's too
dark, people doing slow sexy dances get a bit cranky.


> ponderous, but there are some really good shots in there.  Looks
  like

Thanks.

> a fun pastime (and a great way to meet chicks!).

I meet a lot more women dancing than I do at Linux User Group meetings
or racing with the SCCA. There's one lass that I really want to do a
photo session with sometime. Johanna looks like a Valkyrie. She is a
bit over six feet tall and competes in crew on her college team. I
knew that she was heading off in the next week or so to spend the
summer training, I just found out last week that it's for the Olympic
team.

> 
> ;-)
> 
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Re: PESO You looking at me?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That's really "up close and personal."

Dan

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>> Sometimes autofocus comes in handy:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3550882806/sizes/o/in/set-72157618561275446/
>
> Cute little feller.
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