date:20091218

I don't think you did him any favors by releasing him into an impending 
blizzard...


On 12/17/2009 3:27 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:


http://tinyurl.com/yl5pb3g

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Random-stuff/2607384_N3Nso/1/743436410_57Ra9/Medium 




shot hand held and quickly...  Ashley had been trying to get him for 
ages -- it flies,  I was thinking "leafhopper" off the top

of my head but now that doesn't seem right...

any help appreciated... I did thumb through my Peterson's   - cant 
find the Audubon guide right now


ann





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Reading, somewhat backwards timewise... well said Joe!  'We', our
society, slaughters thousands, millions actually. of human lives, in
foolish, stupid, greedy wars... a far less noble effort than feeding
our families.

Bill, check your mail, there may be be some trimmings in an envelope.

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On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2009, at 16:41 , Graydon wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:57:51PM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
>>>
>>> I like to believe it's true because I happen to like eating a nice
>>> steak, and sharing the fatty bits with my pet dog, and anyone who gets
>>> in the way of that is the enemy.
>>
>> "Alive" and "food" are synonyms.  Trying to live in a world where that
>> isn't true is like trying to live in a world where rocks don't fall when
>> you drop them.
>>
>> That's no excuse for treating animals poorly; even from the "I fed them
>> because I meant to eat them" perspective, they both taste better and are
>> better for you that way.
>
>
> I agree with Graydon. For the most part, the food industry does what it can
> to provide us with meats with the minimal harm and trauma.
>
> I've been a city boy most of my life. I have however lived and worked on
> farms at several points in my life. Those experiences, and the horrible
> images the news media have taken great glee in showing to us these past few
> years, have me very aware of the chain of events that brings meat to our
> tables. But it hasn't turned me off to the end product. From shrimp to
> buffalo, most of the animals on earth are killed for food in some amount
> small or large.
>
> What bothers me the most in all this is the over-killing of many species by
> the greed of the harvesters and/or the zealous demand of the few for selfish
> or religious reasons.
>
> In my mind it equates to the slaughter of our young men and women in the
> myriad of fruitless wars waged throughout history to sate some desire
> created by a few of our political, religious, or insane elders, who in fact
> never engage at risk to their own safety. Unless they lose when they've
> behaved in the worst possible inhumane manor.
>
>
> Joseph McAllister
> pentax...@mac.com
>
> “ Nature is considerably more creative and inventive than humankind. Without
> Nature there isn't any humankind. Without humankind, Nature is fine.”
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Re: PESO - A Pigeon Walked Through

2009-12-18 Thread Rick Womer

Coo(l).

Weird combination.  I like it.

Rick


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> Subject: PESO - A Pigeon Walked Through
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> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 12:02 AM
> For some reason the pizza box caught
> my eye, and I thought maybe that
> and the round manhole cover might look interesting
> together.
> 
> Then, a pigeon walked through:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/pigeon-walked-through.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy.  Feel free to comment.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
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On 2009-12-18 23:04, John Sessoms wrote:


[...] be prepared to fight dirty.


There's no such thing.  You can fight to win, or you can decide not to. 
 Those are the only choices. :-)


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From: Tom C

LOL...

I haven't followed this thread up to now...

One of my favorite sayings: "I didn't make it to the top of the food
chain to be a vegetarian".  :-) 


What about all those bad animals that are not vegetarians themselves?
The argument is ridiculous.


I don't mind when they're trying to CONVINCE me.

I DO mind a great deal when some are trying to COERCE me.


I have nothing against vegetarians and they have the perfect right to
choose what they eat, and so does every one else.



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On 2009-12-18 20:46, frank theriault wrote:


That being said a small majority [...]

  ^^^

Typo or subversive/cynical commentary!? :-)  Did the NSA record your IP 
address on that one? :->


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On 2009-12-18 20:10, Anthony Farr wrote:

I would have thought the cop had to actually be arresting you before
you were able to resist arrest.


Before they arrest you, it's "obstructing justice" or "interfering with 
a duly appointed official in the legal and legitimate pursuit of his 
lawful duties" or something like that.  Basically, if you're not the 
cop, you're f***ed.



But it comes back to the photographer who, I feel, taunted the cop
when discussing the situation.  Not smart.


Entirely possible, and not a good idea.  But the bottom line is that 
when you're dealing with an actual Law Enforcement Officer of the 
Government, the deck is stacked against you in the short term.  It may 
or may not be in the medium term, that's debatable.  But you're /going/ 
to spend the night in the clink if you piss him off enough.


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From: Graydon

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:33:14AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:

> It's not against the law to take photos in a mall.


The degree of pedeophile paranoia is such that there have been a few
successful prosecutions of parents for having completely innocuous naked
or semi-naked pictures of their infant children.




I know there are a few horror stories to that effect, and I know a 
combination of self-righteous prosecutorial over-zealousness, stupid 
judges and gullible jurors resulted in some convictions.


Certainly, I've known people who were stupid enough.

But I don't know of any that wasn't subsequently overturned on appeal.

No consolation if your name has been dragged through the mud, your 
reputation sullied and your bank account emptied defending yourself.



So anyone taking pictures of children is automatically suspect.



The best defense is a good offense.

Demand the questioner PROVE he/she is NOT attempting to cover up 
unlawful conduct with the children. If the police become involved, 
demand they take the children into child welfare custody until the 
child's safety can be assured.


Hey! If they're not guilty, what have they got to hide?

Fight fire with fire, and be prepared to fight dirty.


Throw in an advertising-driven commercial culture -- advertising is all
about identifying/exacerbating/creating insecurity so you'll
be looking for the solution they want to sell you -- and the general
cultural level of insecurity trends worse.


I'm not immune to advertising, but I'm finding it increasingly less 
effective. I think that's mostly because I'm not quite as inundated by 
it since I don't have a TV.


Makes it easier to resist the rest of the flood.

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LOL...

I haven't followed this thread up to now...

One of my favorite sayings: "I didn't make it to the top of the food
chain to be a vegetarian". :-)

What about all those bad animals that are not vegetarians themselves?
The argument is ridiculous.

In the end, we're talking about molecules.

I have nothing against vegetarians and they have the perfect right to
choose what they eat, and so does every one else.

Tom


On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Thank You Graydon!
> I've always felt that the vegans & vegitarians were looking down on us
> meat eaters.
> They were lording over us there superiority because they didn't harm animals.
> I see now from a total system perspective that's a crock of bull shit.
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Graydon  wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:14:48AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Joseph McAllister  
>>> wrote:
>>> > You realize, don't you, if we all went vegan to "save the animals", there
>>> > would not be enough flora food on the earth to feed us, and we'd go back 
>>> > to
>>> > killing animals for food, if they hadn't already all been killed to turn
>>> > their grazing land into farmland.
>>>
>>> It may sound like I'm splitting hairs here, but I'm not vegan to "save
>>> the animals", I'm vegan because I don't want to cause harm to or
>>> exploit animals.
>>>
>>> There's a difference.
>>
>> Not really, no.  Farming isn't as ecologically destructive as strip
>> mining, tailings ponds, or paving, but whether you're eating beef or
>> soybeans, whatever used to live where the farm that grew them now is
>> doesn't live there any more.
>>
>> This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine; farming *of any kind* takes over a
>> big chunk of ecosystem and gets rid of a lot of animals.  You can argue
>> that it's less direct when you're eating soybeans instead, but you can't
>> get out of the trophic web no matter what you do, what with being made
>> out of meat and all.
>>
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Re: Photographer arrested at mall


From: Anthony Farr





Right.

And ~then~ they charge you with resist arrest...

cheers, frank




I would have thought the cop had to actually be arresting you before
 you were able to resist arrest.  If he simply lays hands on you or 
even takes hold of you it's still not arrest if the cop hasn't 
pronounced it or read any rights.  Of course the cop could claim you
 assaulted him but if he physically accosted the "suspect" without 
formally making an arrest, then his legal ground would be shaky. OTOH

if it came to court, the cop's testimony would be the one respected
by a judge or jury.



You're making the common mistake of expecting justice instead of THE
LAW. They're not the same thing.

Am I the only one here who thinks this photographer was being a bit 
of an arsehole?  Being a professional, he must have known that 
shopping malls are a legal grey area regarding rights to photograph, 
being not public property but "privately owned public space".  The 
Santa's Palace or whatever it was called was a commercial operation 
whose operators would be wary of having their income potential eroded
 by parents/relatives/friends poaching a sly photo on the side.  The 
Dad's were arseholes because they took the photographer's apology, 
saw him delete every shot of their kids, and THEN went bleating to 
the mall cops.  Pricks!  The cop was an arsehole because he made up 
the law according to him, ignored the photographers rights and didn't

 follow a proper formal procedure of arrest.

But it comes back to the photographer who, I feel, taunted the cop 
when discussing the situation.  Not smart.


regards, Anthony


I'm sure the photographer WAS being an "arsehole", or actually an 
asshole, since it happened in the US. In the United States, being an 
asshole is a a right protected by the First Amendment.


There is no "legal grey area regarding the right to photograph", unless
YOU are willing to give up your First Amendment rights.

Maybe not your First Amendment rights, if you're not located in the U.S. 
you probably don't have the protection of the Constitution. But we are 
supposed to have them here in the U.S. and those rights are protected 
whether the location is owned by the government or not.


See U.S. Constitution, Article 6.

There is no "privately owned public space". It is either a public space
or it is not a public space. It cannot be halfway in between. Opening
the space to the public for commercial purposes opens it to all lawful
purposes protected under the Constitution. Including photography.


The law in the United States of America is pretty simple. You are 
allowed to photograph anything with the following exceptions:


• Certain military installations or operations.

• People who have a reasonable expectation of privacy. That is, 
people who are some place that's not easily visible to the general 
public, e.g., if you shoot through someone's window with a telephoto 
lens.




You can shoot pictures of children; your rights don't change because
of their age or where they are, as long as they're visible from a
place that's open to the public. (So no sneaking into schools or
climbing fences.)




And yes, you can shoot on private property if it's open to the
public. That includes malls, retails stores, Starbucks, banks, and
office-building lobbies. If you're asked to stop and refuse, you run
the risk of being charged with trespassing, but your pictures are
yours. No one can legally take your camera or your memory card
without a court order.

You can also shoot in subways and at airports. Check your local laws
about the subway, but in New York, Washington, and San Francisco it's
perfectly legal. Airport security is regulated by the Transportation
Security Administration, and it's quite clear: Photography is A-OK at
any commercial airport in the U.S. as long as you're in an area open
to the public.

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.


If you're in the United States, there are two articles worth reading, so
you understand what you can and cannot do, and what a mall owner, shop
owner, mall cop or any other officious asshole (American spelling) can do.

http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf

The one SURE WAY for you to lose your rights is to fail to stand up for the.

Again, if you're not in the U.S., you may not have protected rights to 
lose. You're on your own.


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Re: PESO - A Pigeon Walked Through

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:02:34AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
> For some reason the pizza box caught my eye, and I thought maybe that
> and the round manhole cover might look interesting together.
> 
> Then, a pigeon walked through:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/pigeon-walked-through.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy.  Feel free to comment.

Hasty things, pigeons.

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On 2009-12-18 19:41, Graydon wrote:


That's no excuse for treating animals poorly; even from the "I fed them
because I meant to eat them" perspective, they both taste better and are
better for you that way.


My (limited) experience has been that the closer you live to the animals 
you eat, the better you treat them.  Abuse, however you want to define 
it, is a lot easier with distance.


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Well said, G.


On Dec 18, 2009, at 18:23 , Graydon wrote:


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:33:14AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:

It's not against the law to take photos in a mall.


The degree of pedeophile paranoia is such that there have been a few
successful prosecutions of parents for having completely innocuous  
naked

or semi-naked pictures of their infant children.

So anyone taking pictures of children is automatically suspect.

Throw in an advertising-driven commercial culture -- advertising is  
all

about identifying/exacerbating/creating insecurity so you'll
be looking for the solution they want to sell you -- and the general
cultural level of insecurity trends worse.


Joseph McAllister
pentax...@mac.com

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Cops are people just like you and me. The difference is that we go  
through life pretty much living the rules of common sense, with a  
little bit of knowledge about the laws in our area of the world.


Cops are taught the laws they are expected to enforce, and all the  
tricks their teachers, buddies, and their bosses pass on to them along  
the way should they have to bend them. Their compatriots, and the  
judges, and the prosecutors, know the language of the court. And they  
will take advantage of the poor schmucks that in some way cross them  
at some point in the process of discussion and arrest.


This is why, on a program I was pointed to by others on this list  
recently, the final word to us poor schmucks is: "Do not say a word to  
anyone, ever, between "Excuse me sir" or "Hey you!"" and the chance  
you get to ask for a lawyer. Then nothing more until you are alone  
with your lawyer. Only tell your lawyer the truth, and only what  
relates to this particular situation. Write everything down when you  
get a chance. Everything. Do not give that to anyone except your  
lawyer. Ask that a copy be kept for you.



On Dec 18, 2009, at 17:46 , frank theriault wrote:

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Anthony Farr  
 wrote:




I would have thought the cop had to actually be arresting you before
you were able to resist arrest.  If he simply lays hands on you or
even takes hold of you it's still not arrest if the cop hasn't
pronounced it or read any rights.


You're arrested when the cop says, "you're under arrest".  He then
tells you what the charges are and only then has to inform the accused
what his rights are..


Of course the cop could claim you
assaulted him but if he physically accosted the "suspect" without
formally making an arrest, then his legal ground would be shaky.   
OTOH
if it came to court, the cop's testimony would be the one respected  
by

a judge or jury.


Exactly!  Cops, who as close to professional witnesses as there are,
know that they'll be believed in court, and know what they need to say
to a judge to make sure a charge sticks.  Now, before someone accuses
me of saying that police are all liars, that's not what I'm saying.
The vast majority of cops are great guys and ladies, doing a very
difficult, thankless job.  That being said a small majority are
assholes and will play the system to secure wrongful convictions.
Doesn't happen all that much, but it does happen.


Am I the only one here who thinks this photographer was being a bit  
of

an arsehole?  Being a professional, he must have known that shopping
malls are a legal grey area regarding rights to photograph, being not
public property but "privately owned public space".  The Santa's
Palace or whatever it was called was a commercial operation whose
operators would be wary of having their income potential eroded by
parents/relatives/friends poaching a sly photo on the side.  The  
Dad's

were arseholes because they took the photographer's apology, saw him
delete every shot of their kids, and THEN went bleating to the mall
cops.  Pricks!  The cop was an arsehole because he made up the law
according to him, ignored the photographers rights and didn't  
follow a

proper formal procedure of arrest.


I thought the photog was most reasonable, showing the mall cops and
the concerned dad his photos and deleting them in front of them.  The
cop had no reason to talk to him.  I don't blame the photographer for
being pissed of at that point.  Pointing the camera at the cop wasn't
the brightest thing to do, and maybe he was being something of an
arsehole at that point, but I kind of don't blame him.



But it comes back to the photographer who, I feel, taunted the cop
when discussing the situation.  Not smart.


Agreed








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> Subject: Re: PESO - A Pigeon Walked Through
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> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 5:17 PM
> Beautiful Frank
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, frank theriault
> 
> wrote:
> > For some reason the pizza box caught my eye, and I
> thought maybe that
> > and the round manhole cover might look interesting
> together.
> >
> > Then, a pigeon walked through:
> >
> > http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/pigeon-walked-through.html
> >
> > Hope you enjoy.  Feel free to comment.
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank
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Re: A Small GESO - Firefighting Helicopters

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:59:36PM -0800, Larry Colen scripsit:
> On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>> Of course I took a few photos.
>>
>> :-)>
>>
>>
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/album-firefighting/index.html
>
> Very cool set.

I'd give the nod to the second-last; nice rotor-mist.

Do you have fixed-wing water bombers?  Watching those re-water is quite
spectacular.

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My Dr and I have discussed me going Vegan, because I don't always react well 
when I eat meat.  I haven't figured it all out yet so I haven't done it. 

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> From: Graydon 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 6:45 PM
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:14:48AM
> -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Joseph McAllister
> 
> wrote:
> > > You realize, don't you, if we all went vegan to
> "save the animals", there
> > > would not be enough flora food on the earth to
> feed us, and we'd go back to
> > > killing animals for food, if they hadn't already
> all been killed to turn
> > > their grazing land into farmland.
> > 
> > It may sound like I'm splitting hairs here, but I'm
> not vegan to "save
> > the animals", I'm vegan because I don't want to cause
> harm to or
> > exploit animals.
> > 
> > There's a difference.
> 
> Not really, no.  Farming isn't as ecologically
> destructive as strip
> mining, tailings ponds, or paving, but whether you're
> eating beef or
> soybeans, whatever used to live where the farm that grew
> them now is
> doesn't live there any more.
> 
> This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine; farming *of any kind*
> takes over a
> big chunk of ecosystem and gets rid of a lot of
> animals.  You can argue
> that it's less direct when you're eating soybeans instead,
> but you can't
> get out of the trophic web no matter what you do, what with
> being made
> out of meat and all.
> 
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Re: PESO - Protesters


On Dec 18, 2009, at 16:41 , Graydon wrote:


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:57:51PM -0600, William Robb scripsit:

I like to believe it's true because I happen to like eating a nice
steak, and sharing the fatty bits with my pet dog, and anyone who  
gets

in the way of that is the enemy.


"Alive" and "food" are synonyms.  Trying to live in a world where that
isn't true is like trying to live in a world where rocks don't fall  
when

you drop them.

That's no excuse for treating animals poorly; even from the "I fed  
them
because I meant to eat them" perspective, they both taste better and  
are

better for you that way.



I agree with Graydon. For the most part, the food industry does what  
it can to provide us with meats with the minimal harm and trauma.


I've been a city boy most of my life. I have however lived and worked  
on farms at several points in my life. Those experiences, and the  
horrible images the news media have taken great glee in showing to us  
these past few years, have me very aware of the chain of events that  
brings meat to our tables. But it hasn't turned me off to the end  
product. From shrimp to buffalo, most of the animals on earth are  
killed for food in some amount small or large.


What bothers me the most in all this is the over-killing of many  
species by the greed of the harvesters and/or the zealous demand of  
the few for selfish or religious reasons.


In my mind it equates to the slaughter of our young men and women in  
the myriad of fruitless wars waged throughout history to sate some  
desire created by a few of our political, religious, or insane elders,  
who in fact never engage at risk to their own safety. Unless they lose  
when they've behaved in the worst possible inhumane manor.



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Re: PESO - 208 - GDG

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> Subject: PESO - 208 - GDG
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> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 7:56 PM
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Re: Photographer arrested at mall

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:33:14AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
> It's not against the law to take photos in a mall.

The degree of pedeophile paranoia is such that there have been a few
successful prosecutions of parents for having completely innocuous naked
or semi-naked pictures of their infant children.

So anyone taking pictures of children is automatically suspect.

Throw in an advertising-driven commercial culture -- advertising is all
about identifying/exacerbating/creating insecurity so you'll
be looking for the solution they want to sell you -- and the general
cultural level of insecurity trends worse.

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PESO - 208 - GDG

2009-12-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


Winter, dry land, whimsy and wind ...

  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/208-water

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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Bob Sullivan

Thank You Graydon!
I've always felt that the vegans & vegitarians were looking down on us
meat eaters.
They were lording over us there superiority because they didn't harm animals.
I see now from a total system perspective that's a crock of bull shit.
Regards, Bob S.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Graydon  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:14:48AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
>> > You realize, don't you, if we all went vegan to "save the animals", there
>> > would not be enough flora food on the earth to feed us, and we'd go back to
>> > killing animals for food, if they hadn't already all been killed to turn
>> > their grazing land into farmland.
>>
>> It may sound like I'm splitting hairs here, but I'm not vegan to "save
>> the animals", I'm vegan because I don't want to cause harm to or
>> exploit animals.
>>
>> There's a difference.
>
> Not really, no.  Farming isn't as ecologically destructive as strip
> mining, tailings ponds, or paving, but whether you're eating beef or
> soybeans, whatever used to live where the farm that grew them now is
> doesn't live there any more.
>
> This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine; farming *of any kind* takes over a
> big chunk of ecosystem and gets rid of a lot of animals.  You can argue
> that it's less direct when you're eating soybeans instead, but you can't
> get out of the trophic web no matter what you do, what with being made
> out of meat and all.
>
> -- Graydon
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Re: Photographer arrested at mall

2009-12-18 Thread frank theriault

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Anthony Farr  wrote:


> I would have thought the cop had to actually be arresting you before
> you were able to resist arrest.  If he simply lays hands on you or
> even takes hold of you it's still not arrest if the cop hasn't
> pronounced it or read any rights.

You're arrested when the cop says, "you're under arrest".  He then
tells you what the charges are and only then has to inform the accused
what his rights are..

>Of course the cop could claim you
> assaulted him but if he physically accosted the "suspect" without
> formally making an arrest, then his legal ground would be shaky.  OTOH
> if it came to court, the cop's testimony would be the one respected by
> a judge or jury.

Exactly!  Cops, who as close to professional witnesses as there are,
know that they'll be believed in court, and know what they need to say
to a judge to make sure a charge sticks.  Now, before someone accuses
me of saying that police are all liars, that's not what I'm saying.
The vast majority of cops are great guys and ladies, doing a very
difficult, thankless job.  That being said a small majority are
assholes and will play the system to secure wrongful convictions.
Doesn't happen all that much, but it does happen.
>
> Am I the only one here who thinks this photographer was being a bit of
> an arsehole?  Being a professional, he must have known that shopping
> malls are a legal grey area regarding rights to photograph, being not
> public property but "privately owned public space".  The Santa's
> Palace or whatever it was called was a commercial operation whose
> operators would be wary of having their income potential eroded by
> parents/relatives/friends poaching a sly photo on the side.  The Dad's
> were arseholes because they took the photographer's apology, saw him
> delete every shot of their kids, and THEN went bleating to the mall
> cops.  Pricks!  The cop was an arsehole because he made up the law
> according to him, ignored the photographers rights and didn't follow a
> proper formal procedure of arrest.

 I thought the photog was most reasonable, showing the mall cops and
the concerned dad his photos and deleting them in front of them.  The
cop had no reason to talk to him.  I don't blame the photographer for
being pissed of at that point.  Pointing the camera at the cop wasn't
the brightest thing to do, and maybe he was being something of an
arsehole at that point, but I kind of don't blame him.

>
> But it comes back to the photographer who, I feel, taunted the cop
> when discussing the situation.  Not smart.

Agreed!

cheers,
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Re: Photographer arrested at mall

2009-12-18 Thread Anthony Farr

2009/12/19 frank theriault :

 
>
>
> Right.
>
> And ~then~ they charge you with resist arrest...
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>

I would have thought the cop had to actually be arresting you before
you were able to resist arrest.  If he simply lays hands on you or
even takes hold of you it's still not arrest if the cop hasn't
pronounced it or read any rights.  Of course the cop could claim you
assaulted him but if he physically accosted the "suspect" without
formally making an arrest, then his legal ground would be shaky.  OTOH
if it came to court, the cop's testimony would be the one respected by
a judge or jury.

Am I the only one here who thinks this photographer was being a bit of
an arsehole?  Being a professional, he must have known that shopping
malls are a legal grey area regarding rights to photograph, being not
public property but "privately owned public space".  The Santa's
Palace or whatever it was called was a commercial operation whose
operators would be wary of having their income potential eroded by
parents/relatives/friends poaching a sly photo on the side.  The Dad's
were arseholes because they took the photographer's apology, saw him
delete every shot of their kids, and THEN went bleating to the mall
cops.  Pricks!  The cop was an arsehole because he made up the law
according to him, ignored the photographers rights and didn't follow a
proper formal procedure of arrest.

But it comes back to the photographer who, I feel, taunted the cop
when discussing the situation.  Not smart.

regards, Anthony

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Re: PESO 2009 - 207 - GDG

2009-12-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:16 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> One of your best so far Godfrey. Whats lens

It's the Panasonic Lumix G 20mm f/1.7 for the Micro-FourThirds. Just
about the perfect match to an old favorite shooting rig with a Leica
CL + 40mm f/2 lens. It's a teensy little thing.

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Re: PESO - Protesters

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:14:48AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> > You realize, don't you, if we all went vegan to "save the animals", there
> > would not be enough flora food on the earth to feed us, and we'd go back to
> > killing animals for food, if they hadn't already all been killed to turn
> > their grazing land into farmland.
> 
> It may sound like I'm splitting hairs here, but I'm not vegan to "save
> the animals", I'm vegan because I don't want to cause harm to or
> exploit animals.
> 
> There's a difference.

Not really, no.  Farming isn't as ecologically destructive as strip
mining, tailings ponds, or paving, but whether you're eating beef or
soybeans, whatever used to live where the farm that grew them now is
doesn't live there any more.

This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine; farming *of any kind* takes over a
big chunk of ecosystem and gets rid of a lot of animals.  You can argue
that it's less direct when you're eating soybeans instead, but you can't
get out of the trophic web no matter what you do, what with being made
out of meat and all.

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Re: PESO - Protesters

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:57:51PM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
> I like to believe it's true because I happen to like eating a nice
> steak, and sharing the fatty bits with my pet dog, and anyone who gets
> in the way of that is the enemy.

"Alive" and "food" are synonyms.  Trying to live in a world where that
isn't true is like trying to live in a world where rocks don't fall when
you drop them.

That's no excuse for treating animals poorly; even from the "I fed them
because I meant to eat them" perspective, they both taste better and are
better for you that way.

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Re: Akamboka 2009 :-)

2009-12-18 Thread Tim Øsleby

Getting pictures in the book is easy. Ask Mark how he did it ;-)

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2009/12/18 Christine  Aguila :
> I finally got the link to download.  Congrats on the pics in the book, Tim.
> Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Tim Øsleby" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Akamboka 2009 :-)
>
>
>> Thanks Stig.
>> It is Japan Photo only, at least for the moment. So ordering online is
>> probably the best option for you, if you are interested.
>>
>> BTW: Nordfjord Fotoklubb is inviting Jostein over to show his
>> Antarctic pictures. It is not a done deal yet, but most likely it will
>> happen in Feb-March. Drop me a word if you are interested.
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/12/18 SV Hovland :
>>>
>>> Good initiative. Haven't bought it, yet. Is it only available at Japan
>>> Photo or other shops? I know you are living in Nordfjord, but still asking -
>>> is it available in shops near Førde or Naustdal?
>>>
>>>
>>> Stig vidar Hovland
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] på vegne av Tim
>>> Øsleby [maritim...@gmail.com]
>>> Sendt: 18. desember 2009 12:58
>>> Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Emne: Re: Akamboka 2009 :-)
>>>
>>> The front cower is not mine. Its a lovely picture.
>>> I have two pictures inside. One of tem are known for PDML annual readers.
>>> This project is very similar to the PDML annual.
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/12/18 frank theriault :

 On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Tim Øsleby 
 wrote:
>
> Forgot the link
>
> http://www.japanphoto.no/product/fotoboker-og-dvd-film/akam-forum-boken-2009

 I do like this photo - love the textures and the geometry.

 I'm a bit unclear, however. Did you take this? I can't find any
 reference to a photographer on the page.

 It's a wonderful photo, beautifully rendered, whoever took it.

 cheers,
 frank



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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 07:33:54PM -0400, Steve Sharpe wrote:
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> It's taken me three years, but I've finally figured out what those  
> little twirly wheels on the *istD do and now I like them. My complaint 
> with them is that both aperture and shutter speed are controlled with the 
> right hand, leaving the left with nothing to do but hold the lens, if 
> it's a prime. Its job used to be to twist the aperture ring. I worry that 
> it might find something else to twist and get me into trouble.
>
> I guess the solution is to only use zooms.

Now you understand :-) 

By the time I got my MZ-S my main lens was the 80-200/2.8, and if I wasn't
using that I was using either the 300/2.8 or the 250-600.  The primary
task for my left hand was to steady the lens on the monopod, and maybe
to tweak the zoom slightly.  But generally my hand was at or near the
front element or lens hood, not all the way back near the camera body.

If you mainly use (short-ish) primes, your left hand may well be free to
adjust the aperture, although you also need that hand if you're not using
auto-focus.  Nowadays, of course, there's quick-shift focus touch up as well.

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?



I understand what you are saying but I do not agree. Up until the 
*istD (for me)   the controls of each new generation of camera 
tended to build on the previous one, so learning a new camera was 
easy. The *istD's controls were quite a departure from the MZ-S and 
so meant that I had to spend extra time reading the owner's manual 
when I would have preferred to be out photographing.


The MZ-S control layout doesn't build on the preceding Z/PZ series.

Nor from the P or the SF series, although there does seem to be a 
logical progression from P to SF to Z/PZ to *ist-D and on through 
KxD into the new K series .


MZ & *ist (film) seem to make some kind of detour, as do the K-m and K-x.


I owned (and still do) a ZX-5N. When I got the MZ-S I found the 
control layout easy to understand, though I missed the shutter speed 
knob. But the dial for exposure compensation and auto-bracketing was 
clearly an evolution from the ZX-5N. A quick twist of the aperture 
ring takes either camera from programme into aperture priority.


I guess it all comes down to what you like and what you don't 
like...what you are used to and what you are not used to.


It's taken me three years, but I've finally figured out what those 
little twirly wheels on the *istD do and now I like them. My 
complaint with them is that both aperture and shutter speed are 
controlled with the right hand, leaving the left with nothing to do 
but hold the lens, if it's a prime. Its job used to be to twist the 
aperture ring. I worry that it might find something else to twist and 
get me into trouble.


I guess the solution is to only use zooms.



The *ist-D control layout does follow from the PZ-1/PZ-1p. It has 
the same control layout for Hyper-Program; front wheel controls 
shutter speed, rear wheel controls aperture.


Speaking of K-x, did I post that I ran across the K-x IN STOCK at 
the CompUSA/Tiger Direct Outlet Store in Raleigh? I meant to.


Seems to be plenty of them up here around Halifax!

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RE: PESO - Snow Patterns (Traces) #2 - Version 2

2009-12-18 Thread Bob W

[...]
> Someone  should be writing your tale tales down. :-) 

That would be me...

Thanks,
Bob



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Re: PESO - A Pigeon Walked Through

Beautiful Frank

Dave

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> For some reason the pizza box caught my eye, and I thought maybe that
> and the round manhole cover might look interesting together.
>
> Then, a pigeon walked through:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/pigeon-walked-through.html
>
> Hope you enjoy.  Feel free to comment.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
>
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Re: PESO 2009 - 207 - GDG

One of your best so far Godfrey. Whats lens

Dave

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Re: PESO: Blonde and Crew

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Nice catch! Like the rooster's apparent stalking of the girls.

Or Cotty running away from same,

Just kidding man.;-)

Dave
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Sandra Hermann  wrote:
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>> From: Sandra Hermann 
>> Subject: PESO: Blonde and Crew
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 12:56 PM
>> This was a spur of the moment shot
>> with my new P&S. I should have gone inside and gotten
>> the "real" camera and my longish lens, but I didn't know how
>> much time I would have.
>> It is a lovely day to be outside right
>> now.   It was supposed to start snowing a few
>> hours ago, but it is still warm out.
>>
>> http://samsphotopage.blogspot.com/2009/12/blonde-and-crew.html
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Re: Geso Photos from the Olympic torch run December 17th

Thanks Christine.

These are kids from one of the schools i service with the bus. The
adult in the shot, to the right, is the owner, CEO of the community
radio station i was part of for a while.

The local media was on site, some were, but, maybe i will send that to Jim

Dave

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:
> While the whole set is terrific & fun, this one's fantastic, Dave:
> IGP3923.html.  Might want to contact your local newspaper & show them that
> one!  Actually, the kids shots that follow are excellent too.  Wow!  Must
> have been a fun time in Stouffville.  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" 
> To: "Pentax Discuss" ; "Barbara Brooks" 
> Cc: "Home Sarah" ; "Conley Leah"
> ; "Smillie Dale" 
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:31 PM
> Subject: Geso Photos from the Olympic torch run December 17th
>
>
>> As i mentioned yesterday, the winter Olympic torch relay went through
>> Stouffville on Thursday.
>>
>> I just uploaded these to jalbum, no adjustments.
>>
>> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-torchrun/album/index.html
>>
>> Enjoy
>>
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Re: Photographer arrested at mall

2009-12-18 Thread frank theriault

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> When they're just bullying and you refuse to be bullied, they charge you
> with "obstructing justice", "interfering with an officer" or "assaulting an
> officer", since they weren't actually "arresting" you.
>
> Until they did.


Right.

And ~then~ they charge you with resist arrest...

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

From: Steve Sharpe

At 2:49 PM -0500 12/18/09, John Francis wrote:

>On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 02:30:04PM -0400, Steve Sharpe wrote:

>>  At 1:12 PM -0500 12/18/09, John Sessoms wrote:

>>>  From: Cotty

  On 18/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>   >"6 megapixel (3072*2048) full 135 film frame sized (24*36 mm) 
>CCD (model

>>  FTF3020-C) from Philips"

>  From Boz's site:

  Those pictures make me weep.

>>>
>>>  Still and all, I like the control layout on the *ist-D, K10, K20, 
>>>K7 better.

>>
>>  I can only speak for the MZ-S and the *ist-D, but I'll take the layout of
>>  the former anytime. Much more intuitive and easy to navigate.

>
>"Intuitive" is only another way of saying "what you are used to".

Exactly.

>
>If you think Av mode is done by moving the aperture ring on the lens,
>then you're going to have a problem switching rapidly between Av and Tv
>(or program) which is what Hyper Program mode offers.  It depends on
>what you want; if you want a camera body that works just like a K-1000
>with all your old manual focus lenses the MZ/ZX bodies are great, but
>personally I found the advantages of the new Hyper modes far outweighed
>that.

I understand what you are saying but I do not agree. Up until the 
*istD (for me)   the controls of each new generation of camera tended 
to build on the previous one, so learning a new camera was easy. The 
*istD's controls were quite a departure from the MZ-S and so meant 
that I had to spend extra time reading the owner's manual when I 
would have preferred to be out photographing.

The MZ-S control layout doesn't build on the preceding Z/PZ series.

Nor from the P or the SF series, although there does seem to be a 
logical progression from P to SF to Z/PZ to *ist-D and on through KxD 
into the new K series .

MZ & *ist (film) seem to make some kind of detour, as do the K-m and K-x.

The *ist-D control layout does follow from the PZ-1/PZ-1p. It has the 
same control layout for Hyper-Program; front wheel controls shutter 
speed, rear wheel controls aperture.

Speaking of K-x, did I post that I ran across the K-x IN STOCK at the 
CompUSA/Tiger Direct Outlet Store in Raleigh? I meant to.

But that really belongs in whatever thread kvetching about Pentax having 
shed all their local dealers belongs.

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Re: PESO: Blonde and Crew

2009-12-18 Thread Jack Davis

Nice catch! Like the rooster's apparent stalking of the girls.

Jack

--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Sandra Hermann  wrote:

> From: Sandra Hermann 
> Subject: PESO: Blonde and Crew
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 12:56 PM
> This was a spur of the moment shot
> with my new P&S. I should have gone inside and gotten
> the "real" camera and my longish lens, but I didn't know how
> much time I would have. 
> It is a lovely day to be outside right
> now.   It was supposed to start snowing a few
> hours ago, but it is still warm out. 
> 
> http://samsphotopage.blogspot.com/2009/12/blonde-and-crew.html
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Re: PESO - Snow Traces #3 (Snowed Leaf)

In a message dated 12/18/2009 2:18:40 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
pentax...@mac.com writes:
On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:58 ,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

> Probably trite, but I haven't even been  able to  play with trite snow
> images before, so I enjoyed   it.
>
>  http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/snow4.htm

It is snow. What  we'd call "old snow" though not dirty snow like you  
see in the cities  the day after.

Nice composition, Marnie.

Joseph  McAllister
pentax...@mac.com

==
Yeah, this wasn't frost. It  was part of the heavy once-in-fifty-years (or 
more) snowfall we  had.

Thanks, Joseph.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: PESO - Snow Traces #3 (Snowed Leaf)


On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:58 , eactiv...@aol.com wrote:


Probably trite, but I haven't even been able to  play with trite snow
images before, so I enjoyed  it.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/snow4.htm



It is snow. What we'd call "old snow" though not dirty snow like you  
see in the cities the day after.


Nice composition, Marnie.

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?


On 2009-12-18 11:22, steve harley wrote:

On 2009-12-17 18:06 , Christine Aguila wrote:

No, can you recommend one, Tim?


i'm not Tim, but i'm quite happy with an Op/Tech neoprene strap on my K200d


I have an Op-Tech neoprene strap, too, and I've been quite happy with 
it.  I would like it to have some of the little pockets like the old 
fabric Pentax straps used to have, but that's easy enough to fix with 
old film capsules. :-)


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Re: How did you all miss this!


On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:46 , Larry Colen wrote:


On Dec 18, 2009, at 4:04 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Joseph,
1500 frames and he got 48 with "faint meteor traces".
The picture is spectacular, but the disc space involved is a bit
excessive for me.


About 25 Gig of raw, or about $3 worth of hard drive space per  
complete backup, if you keep all of them.



Why would you "keep" any more than the 48?

That's like shooting a fence post 1500 times and keeping them all,  
even though the image you were going after only manifested itself in a  
few.


Of course, I've never thrown out a digital image. I just make them  
invisible in Aperture with a '9' designate.


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Re: PESO - Snow Traces #3 (Snowed Leaf)

In a message dated 12/18/2009 12:34:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jdavi...@yahoo.com writes:
Snow speaking; "Oh stop your whining, Fall Leaf."  "Soon after the sun 
comes out, I'll let you up and you're to blow out of  here."

Jack (I'll be OK)

=
LOL.

If you're sure (the OK part).

Marnie aka Doe   Heh.

--- On Fri, 12/18/09, eactiv...@aol.com   wrote:

> From: eactiv...@aol.com 
>  Subject: PESO - Snow Traces #3 (Snowed Leaf)
> To: pdml@pdml.net
>  Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 10:58 AM
> Probably trite, but I haven't  even
> been able to  play with trite snow 
> images before, so  I enjoyed  it.
> 
>  http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/snow4.htm
> 
>  Comments  welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe   :-)

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Re: Geso Photos from the Olympic torch run December 17th

2009-12-18 Thread Christine Aguila

While the whole set is terrific & fun, this one's fantastic, Dave: 
IGP3923.html.  Might want to contact your local newspaper & show them that 
one!  Actually, the kids shots that follow are excellent too.  Wow!  Must 
have been a fun time in Stouffville.  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" 

To: "Pentax Discuss" ; "Barbara Brooks" 
Cc: "Home Sarah" ; "Conley Leah" 
; "Smillie Dale" 

Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:31 PM
Subject: Geso Photos from the Olympic torch run December 17th



As i mentioned yesterday, the winter Olympic torch relay went through
Stouffville on Thursday.

I just uploaded these to jalbum, no adjustments.

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-torchrun/album/index.html

Enjoy

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

From: Steve Sharpe

At 1:12 PM -0500 12/18/09, John Sessoms wrote:

>From: Cotty

>>On 18/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>

>>>  >"6 megapixel (3072*2048) full 135 film frame sized (24*36 mm) CCD (model

FTF3020-C) from Philips"

>>
>>>From Boz's site:
>>
>>
>>
>>Those pictures make me weep.

>
>Still and all, I like the control layout on the *ist-D, K10, K20, K7 better.

I can only speak for the MZ-S and the *ist-D, but I'll take the 
layout of the former anytime. Much more intuitive and easy to 
navigate.

I just find having the shutter speed & aperture controls in the right 
hand convenient, although I think it would be slightly more intuitive if 
the aperture was on the front wheel and shutter speed was on the rear. 
But it allows me to control the camera without having to take my eye 
from the viewfinder to look at the controls.

I'll have to check the manual and see if that's something that can be 
set in a Pentax Function.

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PESO: Blonde and Crew

This was a spur of the moment shot with my new P&S. I should have gone inside 
and gotten the "real" camera and my longish lens, but I didn't know how much 
time I would have. 
It is a lovely day to be outside right now.   It was supposed to start snowing 
a few hours ago, but it is still warm out. 

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RE: It's snowing in Raleigh!.


Well, that didn't last long.

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

2009-12-18 Thread Cotty

On 18/12/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>They should make you happy. We didn't get stuck with a camera built
>around a sensor that was doomed from day one.

Very true. But the design of the body, and to think what might have
been, had it been done properly.

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Re: PESO - Snow Traces #3 (Snowed Leaf)

2009-12-18 Thread Jack Davis

Snow speaking; "Oh stop your whining, Fall Leaf." "Soon after the sun comes 
out, I'll let you up and you're to blow out of here."

Jack (I'll be OK)



--- On Fri, 12/18/09, eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:

> From: eactiv...@aol.com 
> Subject: PESO - Snow Traces #3 (Snowed Leaf)
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 10:58 AM
> Probably trite, but I haven't even
> been able to  play with trite snow 
> images before, so I enjoyed  it.
> 
> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/snow4.htm
> 
> Comments  welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe  :-)
> 
> -
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> thinking we used when we 
> created them. Albert  Einstein  
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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

2009-12-18 Thread Ken Waller

Curious as to what the histogram looks like on those blown out images.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Sandra Hermann" 

Subject: Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

Really?  My K10D does not impress me one bit.  It has serious "White out" 
issues.  It seems to take most of it's pictures so white they are useless. 
Now the funny thing is, I won't buy a new one because I'm determined to 
figure out what is wrong with this one.  (or maybe it is the lack of a job) 
Actually I'm wondering if maybe I have an issue with it reading one of my 
lenses.  I've had the lens for awhile now.

> I'm at less than both of you on my K10D.
>
> Not just last year - since I bought it, three years
ago.
>
> (I guess I go for quality, not quantity :-)

I could have said the same for my K10D, pretty much
word-for-word.

Dave

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Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Ken Waller

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- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" 

Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters

Seen on a T-Shirt:

"Plants have feelings too!"

I think I'll leaf that alone

On 12/16/2009 11:55 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: frank theriault
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Bob Sullivan  
wrote:
> I'm a very sensitive person and 1st noticed plant auras some time 
ago.

> Recently, plants have begun to talk to me.
> They are very sad about the murder of their fellow plants.
> So I'm gonna start a new group to stop the wanton destruction and
> consumption of plants.
> Come on folks, we've got to stop abusing the plants!
> Regards, Bob S.
> (I can't stand to drive thru the corn fields of Iowa as harvest 
time nears.

> The despair from the plants is overwhelming. ?Very sad indeed.)

Again, I know you're being tongue in cheek, but believe it or not,
there are "fruitarians".  They only eat those parts of plants that the
plant "wants" us to eat - seed-bearing fruits.  By eating them, we
actually assist the plants in spreading their seeds and thus
propagating the species.

Fruitarians don't eat anything that would harm the plant, so root
vegetables are right out, as are leafy greens, etc.

I think that's going a bit far, though...

I did know someone, years ago before all the vegetarians became 
vegans, who claimed he'd become a vegetarian not for the love of 
animals, but because he hated plants.

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At 2:49 PM -0500 12/18/09, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 02:30:04PM -0400, Steve Sharpe wrote:

 At 1:12 PM -0500 12/18/09, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Cotty

 On 18/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

  >"6 megapixel (3072*2048) full 135 film frame sized (24*36 mm) 
CCD (model

 FTF3020-C) from Philips"



 From Boz's site:


 

 Those pictures make me weep.


 Still and all, I like the control layout on the *ist-D, K10, K20, 
K7 better.


 I can only speak for the MZ-S and the *ist-D, but I'll take the layout of
 the former anytime. Much more intuitive and easy to navigate.


"Intuitive" is only another way of saying "what you are used to".


Exactly.



If you think Av mode is done by moving the aperture ring on the lens,
then you're going to have a problem switching rapidly between Av and Tv
(or program) which is what Hyper Program mode offers.  It depends on
what you want; if you want a camera body that works just like a K-1000
with all your old manual focus lenses the MZ/ZX bodies are great, but
personally I found the advantages of the new Hyper modes far outweighed
that.


I understand what you are saying but I do not agree. Up until the 
*istD (for me)   the controls of each new generation of camera tended 
to build on the previous one, so learning a new camera was easy. The 
*istD's controls were quite a departure from the MZ-S and so meant 
that I had to spend extra time reading the owner's manual when I 
would have preferred to be out photographing.


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On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 02:30:04PM -0400, Steve Sharpe wrote:
> At 1:12 PM -0500 12/18/09, John Sessoms wrote:
>> From: Cotty
>>> On 18/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
  >"6 megapixel (3072*2048) full 135 film frame sized (24*36 mm) CCD (model
> FTF3020-C) from Philips"
>>>
 From Boz's site:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Those pictures make me weep.
>>
>> Still and all, I like the control layout on the *ist-D, K10, K20, K7 better.
>
> I can only speak for the MZ-S and the *ist-D, but I'll take the layout of 
> the former anytime. Much more intuitive and easy to navigate.

"Intuitive" is only another way of saying "what you are used to".

If you think Av mode is done by moving the aperture ring on the lens,
then you're going to have a problem switching rapidly between Av and Tv
(or program) which is what Hyper Program mode offers.  It depends on
what you want; if you want a camera body that works just like a K-1000
with all your old manual focus lenses the MZ/ZX bodies are great, but
personally I found the advantages of the new Hyper modes far outweighed
that.

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 01:07:37PM -0500, paul stenquist wrote:
> 
> On Dec 18, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cotty wrote:
> 
> > On 18/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > 
> >> "6 megapixel (3072*2048) full 135 film frame sized (24*36 mm) CCD (model
> >> FTF3020-C) from Philips"
> > 
> >> From Boz's site:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Those pictures make me weep.
> > 
> > --
> They should make you happy. We didn't get stuck with a camera built around a 
> sensor that was doomed from day one.

And, IMO, a user interface inferior to the current two-wheel digital bodies.


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Re: PESO 2009 - 207 - GDG

In a message dated 12/17/2009 4:40:57 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
ramar...@mac.com writes:
a new lens ... a new  photograph ...

http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/lost-paper

comments always  appreciated.

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I really like this  a lot, Godfrey (I liked Ann's chairs too). Maybe the 
best thing I've seen from  you in six months, IMHO.

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Re: Boris PESO #039

In a message dated 12/11/2009 10:23:34 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
bori...@gmail.com writes:
Hi!

This one is for  Frank...

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/12/peso-2009-039.html

Be  brutal and honest.

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Re: PESO - Hidden Ridge

In a message dated 12/17/2009 6:27:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes:
Excellent shot.  Beautiful.
Paul

What he said.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

>> 
>> A shot from home  several minutes ago.  We received 2.5 feet 
>> of snow 2 days ago  (prediction was for 5 inches).
>> 
>>  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10364093&size=lg
>>  
> 

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PESO - Snow Traces #3 (Snowed Leaf)

Probably trite, but I haven't even been able to  play with trite snow 
images before, so I enjoyed  it.

http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/snow4.htm

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Re: PESO - A Pigeon Walked Through

2009-12-18 Thread Larry Colen



On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:02 PM, frank theriault wrote:


For some reason the pizza box caught my eye, and I thought maybe that
and the round manhole cover might look interesting together.

Then, a pigeon walked through:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/pigeon-walked-through.html


It's great. I've got no squabbles with it at all.


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Re: How did you all miss this!

2009-12-18 Thread Larry Colen



On Dec 18, 2009, at 4:04 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Joseph,
1500 frames and he got 48 with "faint meteor traces".
The picture is spectacular, but the disc space involved is a bit
excessive for me.


About 25 Gig of raw, or about $3 worth of hard drive space per  
complete backup, if you keep all of them.




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Re: Geso Photos from the Olympic torch run December 17th

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Sandra Hermann  wrote:
> I especially like IGP3936.

Thanks, i like this one myself. One of the few seconds the guy was not
mobbed by kids.;-)

All taken with K10D and the DA F 50-200, btw

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> --- On Fri, 12/18/09, David J Brooks  wrote:
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>> From: David J Brooks 
>> Subject: Geso Photos from the Olympic torch run December 17th
>> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" 
>> Cc: "Home Sarah" , "Conley Leah" 
>> , "Smillie Dale" 
>> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 12:31 PM
>> As i mentioned yesterday, the winter
>> Olympic torch relay went through
>> Stouffville on Thursday.
>>
>> I just uploaded these to jalbum, no adjustments.
>>
>> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-torchrun/album/index.html
>>
>> Enjoy
>>
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Re: A GESO, a web design experiment and some question thereabout

2009-12-18 Thread Larry Colen

On Dec 18, 2009, at 7:36 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

Having read "The tenset" by Mike Johnston (http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/12/the-tenset.html
) I've realized that the design of my web site is pretty awful. At
least, that conversion of everything to the flash based galleries
wasn't very wise step on my side.

Flash sucks.

Here is the GESO of both Galia's and my work from the previous week
when we kept coming and shooting in Neve Tzedek - the historical
heart of Tel Aviv.

http://liberman-family.com/boris/neve_tzedek_2009/index.html

Nice sets. I suspect that in a couple of years you'll be known around
photographic circles as Galia's dad.

If you can index photos from more than one place (I know it can be
done, but don't know if you can do it with your tools), it would be
fun to have a set of paired father daughter photos such as:

http://liberman-family.com/boris/neve_tzedek_2009/By%20Galia/slides/K10_21320.html
http://liberman-family.com/boris/neve_tzedek_2009/By%20Boris/slides/K7_03092.html

http://liberman-family.com/boris/neve_tzedek_2009/By%20Galia/slides/K10_21285.html
http://liberman-family.com/boris/neve_tzedek_2009/By%20Galia/slides/K10_21285.html

I'm sure that you folks have many others.

I've decided (may be for the last time) to go along with the
existing solution and chosen JAlbum Mirage skin. I wonder if it is
convenient to use and if it works for you from web-design perspective.

I am thinking that perhaps given the fact that JAlbum supports
directory trees, I can organize all my galleries (and reshuffle them
a bit for the occasion) into a nice tree structure and have them all
presented in this way.

Any comments on the photos and the web design (including as usual,
brutal and honest ones) will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Boris

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?


At 1:12 PM -0500 12/18/09, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Cotty

On 18/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:


 >"6 megapixel (3072*2048) full 135 film frame sized (24*36 mm) CCD (model

FTF3020-C) from Philips"



From Boz's site:




Those pictures make me weep.


Still and all, I like the control layout on the *ist-D, K10, K20, K7 better.


I can only speak for the MZ-S and the *ist-D, but I'll take the 
layout of the former anytime. Much more intuitive and easy to 
navigate.


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Re: Geso Photos from the Olympic torch run December 17th

I especially like IGP3936.  

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> From: David J Brooks 
> Subject: Geso Photos from the Olympic torch run December 17th
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" 
> Cc: "Home Sarah" , "Conley Leah" 
> , "Smillie Dale" 
> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 12:31 PM
> As i mentioned yesterday, the winter
> Olympic torch relay went through
> Stouffville on Thursday.
> 
> I just uploaded these to jalbum, no adjustments.
> 
> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-torchrun/album/index.html
> 
> Enjoy
> 
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Re: It's snowing in Raleigh!.

Oh That is sooo cool!  I hope you get to enjoy it.  I want snow, but I also 
know I will be traveling with my little bit tomorrow and don't think I really 
want it!

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--- On Fri, 12/18/09, John Sessoms  wrote:

> From: John Sessoms 
> Subject: It's snowing in Raleigh!.
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 12:24 PM
> Just looked out the window. Don't
> know if anything's gonna stick yet.
> 
> PHOTO OP!  maybe.
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Geso Photos from the Olympic torch run December 17th

As i mentioned yesterday, the winter Olympic torch relay went through
Stouffville on Thursday.

I just uploaded these to jalbum, no adjustments.

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2009-torchrun/album/index.html

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It's snowing in Raleigh!.


Just looked out the window. Don't know if anything's gonna stick yet.

PHOTO OP!  maybe.


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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

Thanks John I will look that up!  

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--- On Fri, 12/18/09, John Francis  wrote:

> From: John Francis 
> Subject: Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 11:39 AM
> 
> Check the EXIF information for one of the blown-out
> images.
> In fact check the metadata for *all* of them, and see if
> the problems only occur with one particular lens.  If
> that
> is the case the problem may well be with the lens, not the
> camera body.  The lens may have sticky aperture
> blades,
> and not be stopping down fast enough.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 08:50:02AM -0800, Sandra Hermann
> wrote:
> > Really?  My K10D does not impress me one
> bit.  It has serious "White out" issues.  It seems
> to take most of it's pictures so white they are
> useless.  Now the funny thing is, I won't buy a new one
> because I'm determined to figure out what is wrong with this
> one.  (or maybe it is the lack of a job)  Actually
> I'm wondering if maybe I have an issue with it reading one
> of my lenses.  I've had the lens for awhile now. 
> > ?
> > > 
> > > > I'm at less than both of you on my K10D.
> > > > 
> > > > Not just last year - since I bought it,
> three years
> > > ago.
> > > > 
> > > > (I guess I go for quality, not quantity :-)
> > > 
> > > I could have said the same for my K10D, pretty
> much
> > > word-for-word.
> > > 
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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?


From: Cotty

On 18/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:


>"6 megapixel (3072*2048) full 135 film frame sized (24*36 mm) CCD (model
>FTF3020-C) from Philips"



From Boz's site:




Those pictures make me weep.


Still and all, I like the control layout on the *ist-D, K10, K20, K7 better.

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

2009-12-18 Thread paul stenquist


On Dec 18, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 18/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> "6 megapixel (3072*2048) full 135 film frame sized (24*36 mm) CCD (model
>> FTF3020-C) from Philips"
> 
>> From Boz's site:
> 
> 
> 
> Those pictures make me weep.
> 
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They should make you happy. We didn't get stuck with a camera built around a 
sensor that was doomed from day one.
Paul
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> 
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Re: PESO - Snow Patterns (Traces) #2 - Version 2

In a message dated 12/17/2009 11:53:16 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
p...@web-options.com writes:
Etymologically, Frank,  you are right on topic since the history of the word
leads directly to  photography. 

The origin of the word is Latin 'phoca', which we  eventually turned into
'focus'. This happened following the withdrawal of the  Romans from Britain.
The remaining Romano-Celtic tribes lost the use of fire  after that fateful
year 410 AD so to keep warm in the long winter months they  would bring a
nice fat seal into the living room and huddle round it,  watching patterns
shifting and shimmering in the creature's blubbery fur and  cooking
marshmallows in it's salty breath. 

This is where the notion  of intense study and concentration led to the idea
of looking at a fixed  point, hence phoca -> focus.

It is also the origin of the word you are  so assiduously avoiding. When our
Brithonic ancestors at last rediscovered  fire and lit a nice blazing hearth
their menfolk, being naturally  conservative and generally slow on the
uptake, would come home from a hard  day's henge-building, see that their
seal had been replaced by crackling logs  and cry "What the phoca's that?!".

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Re: OT: suprising lack of spine for a vertebrate

2009-12-18 Thread William Robb



- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson"

Subject: Re: OT: suprising lack of spine for a vertebrate







>From the SL I was quite certain that you were talking about our prime
minister, Stephen Harper and his (non)performance in Copenhagen.


I'm hardly in a position to jest about somone else's Prime Minister.



Why not? We joke about your sheep. They show more leadership and 
intelligence than our prime Minister.


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Re: Anybody know what this lensmount this is????


That's what I was going to guess.

On 12/16/2009 8:06 PM, John Celio wrote:

http://www.jchriso.com/temp/unkmntsigma.jpg

Its not a trick quastion, I just don't know except
that its not a Pentax Mount. Maybe canon Eos or
possibly minolta/sony?


I'd bet it's Nikon, based on the smaller, second set of aperture numbers.

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

2009-12-18 Thread Cotty

On 18/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>"6 megapixel (3072*2048) full 135 film frame sized (24*36 mm) CCD (model
>FTF3020-C) from Philips"

>From Boz's site:



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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

I haven't had a K10D, but have a K20D.  While the K20D also had
similar issues, the K-7 is a great improvement in expossure accuracy.



On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Tom C  wrote:
> I haven't had a K10D, but had a K20D.The K-7 is a huge improvement
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Sandra Hermann
>  wrote:
>> Really?  My K10D does not impress me one bit.  It has serious "White out" 
>> issues.  It seems to take most of it's pictures so white they are useless.  
>> Now the funny thing is, I won't buy a new one because I'm determined to 
>> figure out what is wrong with this one.  (or maybe it is the lack of a job)  
>> Actually I'm wondering if maybe I have an issue with it reading one of my 
>> lenses.  I've had the lens for awhile now.
>>
>>>
>>> > I'm at less than both of you on my K10D.
>>> >
>>> > Not just last year - since I bought it, three years
>>> ago.
>>> >
>>> > (I guess I go for quality, not quantity :-)
>>>
>>> I could have said the same for my K10D, pretty much
>>> word-for-word.
>>>
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RE: A GESO, a web design experiment and some question thereabout


From: Boris Liberman

Hi!

Having read "The tenset" by Mike Johnston 
(http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/12/the-tenset.html) 
I've realized that the design of my web site is pretty awful. At least, 
that conversion of everything to the flash based galleries wasn't very 
wise step on my side.


Here is the GESO of both Galia's and my work from the previous week when 
we kept coming and shooting in Neve Tzedek - the historical heart of Tel 
Aviv.


http://liberman-family.com/boris/neve_tzedek_2009/index.html

I've decided (may be for the last time) to go along with the existing 
solution and chosen JAlbum Mirage skin. I wonder if it is convenient to 
use and if it works for you from web-design perspective.


I am thinking that perhaps given the fact that JAlbum supports directory 
trees, I can organize all my galleries (and reshuffle them a bit for the 
occasion) into a nice tree structure and have them all presented in this 
way.


Any comments on the photos and the web design (including as usual, 
brutal and honest ones) will be greatly appreciated.


I don't know from web design, but from Galia's set, I think K10 21398 
would have made a worthy PESO.


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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

I haven't had a K10D, but had a K20D.The K-7 is a huge improvement

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Sandra Hermann
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> issues.  It seems to take most of it's pictures so white they are useless.  
> Now the funny thing is, I won't buy a new one because I'm determined to 
> figure out what is wrong with this one.  (or maybe it is the lack of a job)  
> Actually I'm wondering if maybe I have an issue with it reading one of my 
> lenses.  I've had the lens for awhile now.
>
>>
>> > I'm at less than both of you on my K10D.
>> >
>> > Not just last year - since I bought it, three years
>> ago.
>> >
>> > (I guess I go for quality, not quantity :-)
>>
>> I could have said the same for my K10D, pretty much
>> word-for-word.
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Re: two more years

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:12:25AM -0500, Doug Brewer wrote:
> I've just renewed the PDML registration for another two years. Let's  
> keep it going.

Looks like I still own pdml.us, too.


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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?


At 9:14 AM -0600 12/18/09, Christine  Aguila wrote:

From: "Steve Sharpe" 

Looks like the local camera store has the K20D on sale, so I'm 
gonna >try to snag one!



Cool!  Looking forward to seeing your 1st pics!  Cheers, Christine


Ack! They're holding one for me! I pick it up on the 28th!

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?


Check the EXIF information for one of the blown-out images.
In fact check the metadata for *all* of them, and see if
the problems only occur with one particular lens.  If that
is the case the problem may well be with the lens, not the
camera body.  The lens may have sticky aperture blades,
and not be stopping down fast enough.


On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 08:50:02AM -0800, Sandra Hermann wrote:
> Really?  My K10D does not impress me one bit.  It has serious "White out" 
> issues.  It seems to take most of it's pictures so white they are useless.  
> Now the funny thing is, I won't buy a new one because I'm determined to 
> figure out what is wrong with this one.  (or maybe it is the lack of a job)  
> Actually I'm wondering if maybe I have an issue with it reading one of my 
> lenses.  I've had the lens for awhile now. 
> ?
> > 
> > > I'm at less than both of you on my K10D.
> > > 
> > > Not just last year - since I bought it, three years
> > ago.
> > > 
> > > (I guess I go for quality, not quantity :-)
> > 
> > I could have said the same for my K10D, pretty much
> > word-for-word.
> > 
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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

2009-12-18 Thread Margus Männik


I'm not Tim, but maybe I can be helpful.
I hated ALL straps before I got Pentax Noeprene Strap (art. 50151). It's 
really worth of trying out.


BR, Margus



Christine Aguila wrote:

No, can you recommend one, Tim?  Thanks for the tip!  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - From: "Tim Øsleby" 
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Subject: Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?



Have you tried a good neoprene strap? It does not make the camera
lighter, but it sure makes it feel lighter.

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2009/12/17 Christine  Aguila :

Well, some lighter would help ;-). Seriously though, when I did the
camera-store-try on the K7, it felt good to hold and had a nice 
feel. I do

understand the point about weight/steadier grip/with longer lenses--and
agree, but lately the kit feels so heavy--course so does by body. 
Maybe I'm

just so out of shape, and I'm probably not shooting enough--actually, I
just checked Lightroom; I shot 5887 frames so far for 2009. I 
suppose by
PDML standards that's pretty wimpy, but certainly not out of 
character for

the wimp I am :-). Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - From: "paul stenquist"

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?


I don't know what the exact numbers are, but the K7 isn't a lot 
lighter
than the K20. Somewhat smaller, but it's packed and well built, so 
it's
rather hefty. I prefer a heavier camera. It makes for a steadier 
grip and
balances substantial lenses better. The DA* 60-250 and the K7 with 
battery

pack are a perfect match.
Paul
On Dec 17, 2009, at 2:07 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:


I thought the same with my K20 & then I touched the K7 & heard the
shutter--ahhh, that was lovely to the ears. I do want the K7, so I'm
*sort
of* saving for it--but mainly for the weight--I'm so tired of the
weight--my
own--and camera gear weight; these days I'm traveling really 
light, and
it's still heavy. I guess I'm a wimp. A few nights ago I dreamt of 
my old
MX, and I moved around free and easy in that dream. :-) Cheers, 
Christine











- Original Message - From: "gldnbearz" 


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Subject: Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?


I thought the same w/ my K200D. Then I had to touch a K7 & listen to
it's shutter sound. What to do with a K200D + grip? :\

- Pat

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Brian Walters 


wrote:


Well, it's summer doldrums down here but I get your point

I think that DSLR development has reached the point where 
incremental
gains in performance are relatively small, so upgrading becomes a 
matter

of trying to justify the expense when the current camera is 'good
enough'.

I my case, the K200D does pretty much everything I want, so I 
probably
wont upgrade until a camera comes along with similar features but 
with a

better high ISO performance and a sensor with a few more MP of
resolution. (Oh, wait. Isn't that the K-x?)


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Lightroom 2.6 and Camera Raw 5.6 Now Available

2009-12-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2009/12/lightroom_26_and_camera_raw_56.html

"Lightroom 2.6 and Camera Raw 5.6 are now available as final releases  
on Adobe.com and through the update mechanisms available in Photoshop  
CS4 and Lightroom 2. These updates include camera support for the  
following models:


 - Canon EOS 1D Mark IV
 - Canon EOS 7D
 - Canon PowerShot G11
 - Canon PowerShot S90
 - Leaf Aptus-II 5
 - Mamiya DM22
 - Mamiya DM28
 - Mamiya DM33
 - Mamiya DM56
 - Mamiya M18
 - Mamiya M22
 - Mamiya M31
 - Nikon D3s
 - Olympus E-P2
 - Panasonic DMC-FZ38
 - Pentax K-x
 - Sigma DP1s
 - Sony A500
 - Sony A550
 - Sony A850

Release Notes:

 - Camera Raw 5.6 and Lightroom 2.6 provide a fix for an issue  
affecting PowerPC customers using the final Lightroom 2.5, Camera Raw  
5.5 and DNG Converter 5.5 updates on the Mac. The issue, introduced in  
the demosaic change to address sensors with unequal green response,  
has the potential to create artifacts in highlight areas when  
processing raw files from Sony, Olympus, Panasonic and various medium  
format digital camera backs.


 - The Lightroom 3 beta has not been updated with this new camera  
support. If you're working with one of these newer cameras and the  
Lightroom 3 beta, please use the DNG Converter 5.6 to convert  
proprietary formats to DNG files that can be used in the Lightroom 3  
beta.


 - This release includes improved camera profiles for the Leica M9  
and Ricoh GXR."


Link provided above, which includes links to the download software.

enjoy
Godfrey

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?


From: Steve Sharpe

>>>

>>Come on everyone, this is a Pentax mailing list!
>>
>>APERTURE SIMULATORS!
>>
>Only worth discussing if it's on the new upcoming Full Frame camera. 
>(Damn I still want an MZ-D).


Was that to be full frame? I know it was to use the Foveon (sp?) chip.


Full frame, yes; Foveon, no.

"6 megapixel (3072×2048) full 135 film frame sized (24×36 mm) CCD (model 
FTF3020-C) from Philips"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_MZ-D

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Re: PESO - Protesters

Seen on a T-Shirt:

"Plants have feelings too!"

On 12/16/2009 11:55 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: frank theriault
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Bob Sullivan  
wrote:
> I'm a very sensitive person and 1st noticed plant auras some time 
ago.

> Recently, plants have begun to talk to me.
> They are very sad about the murder of their fellow plants.
> So I'm gonna start a new group to stop the wanton destruction and
> consumption of plants.
> Come on folks, we've got to stop abusing the plants!
> Regards, Bob S.
> (I can't stand to drive thru the corn fields of Iowa as harvest 
time nears.

> The despair from the plants is overwhelming. ?Very sad indeed.)

Again, I know you're being tongue in cheek, but believe it or not,
there are "fruitarians".  They only eat those parts of plants that the
plant "wants" us to eat - seed-bearing fruits.  By eating them, we
actually assist the plants in spreading their seeds and thus
propagating the species.

Fruitarians don't eat anything that would harm the plant, so root
vegetables are right out, as are leafy greens, etc.

I think that's going a bit far, though...

I did know someone, years ago before all the vegetarians became 
vegans, who claimed he'd become a vegetarian not for the love of 
animals, but because he hated plants.

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Re: 2010 PUG themes

2009-12-18 Thread Scott Loveless

On 12/18/09, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: "P. J. Alling"
>
> > I'd have to submit something to Pentax to get a few rejects.  I don't
> think I could stand the aggravation.
> >
>
>  It was discussed as a possible theme earlier and I understood the consensus
> was it didn't have to be actually submitted and rejected.
>
>  It qualified if someone at sometime had rejected it for the Pentax Gallery
> ... even if you only rejected it yourself.

My opinion, not that it counts, is if you have a photo that was
rejected by the PPG, then you should submit it.  If you don't have a
PPG reject, but have a photo that was rejected elsewhere (another on
line gallery, an exhibit, magazine submission, etc.) that would OK,
too.  Photos of Cotty are also acceptable.

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Re: FS: couple of Pentax bits ...


On 12/16/2009 5:43 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
   

The remote and the lens caps have been spoken for. Thanks!

The right-angle finder is still available.
 

Left or right handed.??

Dave
   


Let me guess, you were the guy at camp who sent kids to the boat house 
for the keys to the oar locks



G


On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 

Just about finished my big Ebay blow-out sale of little-/un-used equipment
and found a couple more small bits in a drawer that I thought someone might
want:

- Canon EOS model RS-60E3 remote cable (new in box) :: works perfectly for
Pentax *ist DS and K10D bodies, other models that take the Pentax Cable
Switch CS203 (? i think that's the right code). Was obtained as a spare.
Also works with Canon EOS Rebel series cameras (can't say exactly which
models). $20 including shipping in the USA.

- Olympus Varimagni Finder :: used it with the Pentax *ist DS and K10D
bodies, will fit any model with a compatible eye-piece. Switchable from 1.2x
to 2.5x magnification, shows a reversed image. A very nice quality
right-angle finder for copy and low angle work. $85 including Priority Mail
shipping in the USA.

- Pentax bayonet-on body cap and lens back caps (bayonet on, Pentax-A
rigid plastic type) :: all four for $13 including shipping in the USA.

Send me an email if you want any of these things.

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Re: Not Even good enough to be a PESO -- Liquid Abstract


Damn, so that's the problem.

On 12/16/2009 11:39 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: ann sanfedele

Maybe you should gesticulate more often...


But only until you need glasses.

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RE: This is Britain

From: mike wilson

 John Sessoms  wrote:

From: SV Hovland

Sorry if its posted before.

http://www.photoradar.com/photographer-of-the-year-2009-winners-this-is-britain

What are they saying in Britain about this? Oh dear?

The winner is "a nice change from the usual horror stories of
binge drinking"?

Featuring.. a photograph of binge drinking.  Jaegermeister, to
boot.  Pity you can't photograph hangovers.

Lord no. It's bad enough trying to take photographs WITH a hangover.

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Re: 2010 PUG themes

From: "P. J. Alling"
I'd have to submit something to Pentax to get a few rejects.  I don't 
think I could stand the aggravation.

On 12/17/2009 9:12 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> Ok, I'll play; here are my pics in no order of preference:
> 2/speed; 3/Pentax Rejects; 4/Light; 8/Wheels; 9/Photojournalism; 
> 11/Pictorialism; 12/Mug Shot; 14/Action; 15/Infrared; 17/Night; 
> 18/Flora/Fauna; 19/Panorama

It was discussed as a possible theme earlier and I understood the 
consensus was it didn't have to be actually submitted and rejected.

It qualified if someone at sometime had rejected it for the Pentax 
Gallery ... even if you only rejected it yourself.

Or, I could be wrong as usual.

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Re: A Small GESO - Firefighting Helicopters


From: David Mann

On Dec 18, 2009, at 7:06 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

That said, it's a good set. I love the old CH-54. It's good to
see they're still of use to someone.


I'd use one, it'd save lots of time on the commute.

Just need to find someone to write the cheques.


They built a commuter version just for you:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn270/ikerbok/CH54podhookup.jpg

http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/aviation/CH-54/ch-54a_046_wDTOC.jpg

http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/aviation/CH-54/ch-54a_044_wDTOC.jpg

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Re: Photographer arrested at mall


From: David Mann

On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:17 AM, frank theriault wrote:


I don't blame you for leaving and not confronting the Mall Cop.
The downside of being arrested (even if no charges are laid) kind
of sucks.  And, as we've heard earlier in this thread (and in
other stories), even if the "real" police realize that taking pix
of kiddies is quite legal, if you argue with them, some police
are quick to lay the ubiquitous "obstruct justice", "assault
officer" or "resist arrest" charges.


How can you be charged with resisting arrest if they weren't already
arresting you for something else?


They tack on the "resisting" charge, if they have a "valid" violation to 
arrest your for. If the original charge gets thrown out or dropped by 
the DA, the "resisting" charge gets thrown out too. Although sometimes, 
not.


It's just one of the f*&^*% up parts of U.S. law that you can be guilty 
of resisting even if the arrest is unlawful. You have no constitutional 
right to resist unlawful acts by the police. It's the entire basis of 
National Security law in the U.S.


When they're just bullying and you refuse to be bullied, they charge you 
with "obstructing justice", "interfering with an officer" or "assaulting 
an officer", since they weren't actually "arresting" you.


Until they did.

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Re: Does anybody miss the "new" equipment discussions?

Really?  My K10D does not impress me one bit.  It has serious "White out" 
issues.  It seems to take most of it's pictures so white they are useless.  Now 
the funny thing is, I won't buy a new one because I'm determined to figure out 
what is wrong with this one.  (or maybe it is the lack of a job)  Actually I'm 
wondering if maybe I have an issue with it reading one of my lenses.  I've had 
the lens for awhile now. 
 
> 
> > I'm at less than both of you on my K10D.
> > 
> > Not just last year - since I bought it, three years
> ago.
> > 
> > (I guess I go for quality, not quantity :-)
> 
> I could have said the same for my K10D, pretty much
> word-for-word.
> 
> Dave
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Re: 2010 PUG themes

I like them.  I'm not sure I'm clear on the rejects idea.  Would that be the 
family pictures my sister took of us with her N that are all yellow instead 
of white?  

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--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Christine Aguila  wrote:

> From: Christine Aguila 
> Subject: Re: 2010 PUG themes
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:17 AM
> looks good, and celebrate for the
> 2010 kick-off sounds fine.  Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:14 AM
> Subject: Re: 2010 PUG themes
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the on and off list replies.  Here's
> the list.  Major
> > objections should be voiced now.
> > 
> > Speed
> > Light
> > Photojournalism
> > Action
> > Infrared
> > Night
> > Flora and Fauna
> > Panorama
> > Bewildering
> > Mailbox/postbox
> > Pentax Photo Gallery Rejects
> > Celebrate
> > 
> > Suggestions for January, since I've put this off until
> the very last
> > minute?  I'm leaning toward "Celebrate". 
> Probably everyone who would
> > participate already has something or can get something
> ready between
> > now and the beginning of the month.
> > 
> > -- Scott Loveless
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Re: two more years

I can help a bit also! 
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--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Cotty  wrote:

> From: Cotty 
> Subject: Re: two more years
> To: "pentax list" 
> Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 9:14 AM
> On 18/12/09, Doug Brewer,
> discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >I've just renewed the PDML registration for another two
> years. Let's
> >keep it going.
> 
> Do you need a contribution Doug? It's been a while since we
> all chipped
> in.
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> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
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RE: How did you all miss this!