Re: laptop recommendation

2010-12-11 Thread David Mann
On Dec 11, 2010, at 3:42 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

 I don't know how many restrictions are possible on networked Macs, but 
 faculty are not allowed to even correct the date or time on the college's 
 computers where I work.

In theory they shouldn't have to.  Even I can set up NTP...

Cheers,
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Re: Firmware 1.01

2010-12-11 Thread David Mann
On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

 On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:26 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
 
 Yes. I just tried it at Is)1600 while my wife was giving the dog a bath. I 
 got about 15 frames continuous.
 
 I guess that you've been married a while if you're taking photos of the dog 
 getting a bath.

My impression was that the wife was in the bath too.

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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread David Mann
On Dec 11, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

 But you have to admire the degree to which they can completely destroy a 
 room. When one fell though the ceiling into the Xerox copy center, he managed 
 to pull just about everything off of every shelf before taking a huge crap in 
 the middle of the manager's desk.

Wow.  Every office worker's greatest fantasy.

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Re: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread David Mann
On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:58 AM, paul stenquist wrote:

 I don't think continuous autofocus is predictive. It just continues to adjust 
 focus as the shutter button is held down at least half way. I think that if 
 it were predictive, it would work only for one rate of subject movement.

The Z-1p had predictive AF (I just checked the manual).  So I hope the DSLRs 
have it!  There shouldn't be any reason why you couldn't track an accelerating 
subject, unless the sensors impose a limitation of some kind.

I'm starting to get frustrated with my K10D because it seems to be trying to 
focus beyond infinity with wide-angle lenses, when I try and focus on distant 
subjects.  Might need to have it looked at because I have it set to only 
release the shutter if it's in focus, while in AF-S mode.  So I have to use 
AF-C a lot more.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread Subash
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:54 PM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
 On Dec 11, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
 But you have to admire the degree to which they can completely destroy a 
 room. When one fell though the ceiling into the Xerox copy center, he 
 managed to pull just about everything off of every shelf before taking a 
 huge crap in the middle of the manager's desk.

 Wow.  Every office worker's greatest fantasy.

wow. Dave, your boss must be kindness incarnate... :)

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Re: Russian names required.

2010-12-11 Thread Madame RD

Excellent !
dominique


Le 10/12/10 21:42, eckinator a écrit :

since the takumars are named after Takumo, you'd even have a nice
patronymic, Takumara Takumova =)

2010/12/10 Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com:
   

Actually, Takumara  would be pretty good, and sounds Russian enough.

Dan
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:28 AM, eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com  wrote:
 

Asahika and Takumarka maybe? =)

2010/12/10 Madame RDromd...@orange.fr:
   

Le 10/12/10 00:29, eckinator a écrit :
 

2010/12/9 Igor Roshchins...@komkon.org:

   

That's the cat formerly known as
khr-hr-hr

 

so that is where Pentax got the name...
over to the slogan thread...
Ecke


   

nobody dared  Pentaxkior Pentaxka for a female ?

dominique

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Re: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread eckinator
ouch... what a long list of unhappened 645Ds. I'll add that I am one
behind because my insurance company gave me bad advice and my sick pay
was € 9900 too low over the past 11 months which pretty much makes
/my/ 645D a non-reality... grrr
Ecke

2010/12/11 David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz:
 On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:58 AM, paul stenquist wrote:

 I don't think continuous autofocus is predictive. It just continues to 
 adjust focus as the shutter button is held down at least half way. I think 
 that if it were predictive, it would work only for one rate of subject 
 movement.

 The Z-1p had predictive AF (I just checked the manual).  So I hope the DSLRs 
 have it!  There shouldn't be any reason why you couldn't track an 
 accelerating subject, unless the sensors impose a limitation of some kind.

 I'm starting to get frustrated with my K10D because it seems to be trying to 
 focus beyond infinity with wide-angle lenses, when I try and focus on distant 
 subjects.  Might need to have it looked at because I have it set to only 
 release the shutter if it's in focus, while in AF-S mode.  So I have to use 
 AF-C a lot more.

 Cheers,
 Dave


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PESO santacon

2010-12-11 Thread Larry Colen
Santacon is approximately a bunch of people dressing up like Santa and going on 
a pubcrawl. There was one in Santa Cruz tonight, which I went on.  I think that 
this is my favorite photo of the evening. I've got no idea what I was trying to 
shoot at the time, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't it.  I did spend a lot of 
time shooting from the hip, so people wouldn't freeze up when they saw the 
camera pointing at them.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5251195076/in/set-72157625448696367/

If you want to see the whole set:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625448696367/

For the terminally curious, wikipedia has this to say about SantaCon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SantaCon

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Which is the preferred battery charger

2010-12-11 Thread Larry Colen
The charger that seems to work best with my AA hybrids is starting to get a bit 
flaky.  There was a discussion a couple weeks back on the subject of chargers 
and I thought i saved it, but can't find it.
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Re: Which is the preferred battery charger

2010-12-11 Thread Eric Featherstone
On 11 December 2010 11:03, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 The charger that seems to work best with my AA hybrids is starting to get a 
 bit flaky.  There was a discussion a couple weeks back on the subject of 
 chargers and I thought i saved it, but can't find it.
 What is the battery charger that is so highly recommended?

I think it was the LaCrosse BC-900.
http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg372271.html

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OT - London Student Protest in pics

2010-12-11 Thread Cotty
Someone sent me this link - some very powerful pics...

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/12/london_tuition_fee_protest.html

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Re: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread paul stenquist
Thanks Jack. Yeah, the talk about big expenditures just reminded me of it. But 
it's water under the bridge, and Grace is a joy. It does me no good to dwell on 
it.
Paul

On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Your success in rescuing your grand daughter for your daughter as well as 
 yourself is priceless. I completely get that the cost/funds imbalance was 
 extremely unfair and difficult to understand.
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 5:12 PM
 It was certainly the best possible
 outcome. But the British government's mindless funding of
 any citizen who wants to take legal action is indefensible.
 And having to compete with the UK
 s financial resources makes it less than a bargain.
 Paul
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
 I know you agree that you got a real bargain and
 certainly the best possible outcome.
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
 From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 3:37 PM
 I could have had six 645Ds for what
 it cost me to save Grace from her drunken
 wife-beating
 father and the British legal aid idiocy.
 Paul
 
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:34 PM, John Francis wrote:
 
 
 Well, if we're going to one-up each other:
 
 I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow
 what we
 spent
 on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a
 problem with
 the
 heating which meant it was time to do the
 re-ducting
 that
 we'd been putting off for years, and a small
 number of
 old
 windows to be replaced before the tax credit
 ran out.
 That
 would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips
 
 DA* zooms.
 
 This would have been a bit less of an issue if
 my wife
 hadn't
 been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job
 she's
 had for
 the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought
 her the
 E-PL1).
 No cause for panic, but it does mean
 discretionary
 spending
 doesn't run to four-figure toys at the
 moment.
 
 
 .
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600,
 Paul
 Sorenson wrote:
 I feel your pain.  Some time before
 the end
 of the year we're
 supposed to be getting new windows. 
 That's
 *four* K-5s that could
 have been under the tree. :-(
 
 -p
 
 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker
 wrote:
 Good gawd, man! How much more evidence
 of pure
 studliness do you
 need? The K-5 is near-perfect and
 everyone
 should have one. Put
 the reviews down and get out your
 wallet.
 
 The only reason there won't be one
 under my
 Xmas tree this year is
 that we are getting a new floor for
 the
 house. I could have
 bought a 645D for what that's setting
 us
 back.
 
 -bmw
 
 
 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis
 wrote:
 Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to
 be
 reading the K-5 manual in
 not too long.
 Awaiting a couple more reviews
 and
 additional feed back from the PDML.
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Steven
 Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
 
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 From: Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: I Wish
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 Listpdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10,
 2010, 9:08
 AM
 Isn't there a custom setting
 for
 something like that?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Firmware 1.01

2010-12-11 Thread paul stenquist

On Dec 11, 2010, at 3:22 AM, David Mann wrote:

 On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:26 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
 
 Yes. I just tried it at Is)1600 while my wife was giving the dog a bath. I 
 got about 15 frames continuous.
 
 I guess that you've been married a while if you're taking photos of the dog 
 getting a bath.
 
 My impression was that the wife was in the bath too.

HAR! No, she washes him in the kitchen sink.
Paul
 
 Cheers,
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Re: PESO - The Coffee Shop Portraits

2010-12-11 Thread paul stenquist
Thanks David. Yes, they're a bit flat --  illuminated by a large window. I 
prefer to shoot at that coffee shop later in the day, when the light is more 
from interior fixtures, but I take the light I get:-).
On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:15 PM, David Parsons wrote:

 They are nice shots, but they would be much improved with good
 lighting.  Very flat, but not really something you can do with
 candids.
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:52 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
 Coffee Shop Portraits:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072552size=lg
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072551size=lg
 
 Both with K-5 and DA* 50-135, ISO 2000, f4.
 
 Shot the tiger fan with live view after he had caught me twice with the 
 camera raised.
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Re: Which is the preferred battery charger

2010-12-11 Thread paul stenquist
I'm still using that LaCrosse charger every day. It charges each cell 
individually and can discharge and recondition them as well. When the cells are 
fully charged, it automatically goes to a very light trickle charge. I leave my 
NIMH batteries in the charger when not in use, and they're always ready to go. 
I've gotten great results using some very inexpensive Nuon 2300 mah batteries 
that I bought for a couple bucks apiece at Battery Central. I use them in my 
flashes, so fast recycling and lots of flashes per day are paramount. Shelf 
life of charged batteries is irrelevant for me.

Paul
On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

 On 11 December 2010 11:03, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 The charger that seems to work best with my AA hybrids is starting to get a 
 bit flaky.  There was a discussion a couple weeks back on the subject of 
 chargers and I thought i saved it, but can't find it.
 What is the battery charger that is so highly recommended?
 
 I think it was the LaCrosse BC-900.
 http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg372271.html
 
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PESO - the revolving door

2010-12-11 Thread paul stenquist
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072550

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Re: PESO santacon

2010-12-11 Thread Jack Davis
Enjoyed the evening in pictures, Larry! I can imagine that some of these 
celebrants validated the event title, Pubcrawl by the end of the evening. ;)

Jack

--- On Sat, 12/11/10, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
 Subject: PESO santacon
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 2:17 AM
 Santacon is approximately a bunch of
 people dressing up like Santa and going on a pubcrawl. There
 was one in Santa Cruz tonight, which I went on.  I
 think that this is my favorite photo of the evening. I've
 got no idea what I was trying to shoot at the time, but I'm
 pretty sure this wasn't it.  I did spend a lot of time
 shooting from the hip, so people wouldn't freeze up when
 they saw the camera pointing at them.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5251195076/in/set-72157625448696367/
 
 If you want to see the whole set:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625448696367/
 
 For the terminally curious, wikipedia has this to say about
 SantaCon:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SantaCon
 
 google has even more to say about it.
 
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Re: Which is the preferred battery charger

2010-12-11 Thread paul stenquist
I misspoke: the Nuon batteries are 2500 mah. Best I've ever had and far better 
than Eneloops in continuous use. But the LaCrosse charger will make any battery 
better.
Paul


On Dec 11, 2010, at 8:52 AM, paul stenquist wrote:

 I'm still using that LaCrosse charger every day. It charges each cell 
 individually and can discharge and recondition them as well. When the cells 
 are fully charged, it automatically goes to a very light trickle charge. I 
 leave my NIMH batteries in the charger when not in use, and they're always 
 ready to go. I've gotten great results using some very inexpensive Nuon 
 2300 mah batteries that I bought for a couple bucks apiece at Battery 
 Central. I use them in my flashes, so fast recycling and lots of flashes per 
 day are paramount. Shelf life of charged batteries is irrelevant for me.
 
 Paul
 On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
 
 On 11 December 2010 11:03, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 The charger that seems to work best with my AA hybrids is starting to get a 
 bit flaky.  There was a discussion a couple weeks back on the subject of 
 chargers and I thought i saved it, but can't find it.
 What is the battery charger that is so highly recommended?
 
 I think it was the LaCrosse BC-900.
 http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg372271.html
 
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LR and # of computers question

2010-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
I currently have LR2.7 on both my PC(dyeing) and my iBook.

If and when i upgrade the PC to what ever, and install LR3, will it be
ok with the three computers or will Adobe see i have installed it on
the third computer and halt my installation.??

Dave

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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
We have raccoons and skunks in our are and at times under my shed and
in my detached garage.

I hate them. I worry about the rabies a lot. They and the skunks tear
up my yard, nest in neighbours chimney's tear up my compost bin the
region uses to collect wet waste and create general havoc.

Dave



On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 It's more fun to photograph the happy moments, but sometimes I think it's the 
 sad moments that make the more powerful photos.  I found this poor little 
 fellow lying dead on my back stairs. I don't know what happened, but he's 
 right below the hole that the raccoons have been using to get into my attic, 
 I suspect that he may have fallen climbing in or out.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5249450643/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5249453755/

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Re: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote:
 I feel your pain.  Some time before the end of the year we're supposed to be
 getting new windows.  That's *four* K-5s that could have been under the
 tree. :-(

 -p

I had my heating and air guy in on Thursday to clean the gas furnace.
His assessment was its just about ready to fail, cracks are eminent.
He is going to try and do the work next week, depending on avalability.

That will cost about a D3.

Dave


 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure studliness do you need? The
 K-5 is near-perfect and everyone should have one. Put the reviews down and
 get out your wallet.

 The only reason there won't be one under my Xmas tree this year is that
 we are getting a new floor for the house. I could have bought a 645D for
 what that's setting us back.

 -bmw


 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the K-5 manual in not too
 long.
 Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed back from the PDML.

 Jack

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Re: PESO - The Coffee Shop Portraits

2010-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
Both are very well done. Very intense thoughts.

Dave

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 Coffee Shop Portraits:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072552size=lg
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072551size=lg

 Both with K-5 and DA* 50-135, ISO 2000, f4.

 Shot the tiger fan with live view after he had caught me twice with the 
 camera raised.
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Re: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: John Francis


It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
out of just about any situation.


My understanding is the British law in this case is sort of in response 
to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision that EVERY defendant should have 
access to adequate legal counsel.


The U.S. decision applied only to criminal cases, but the British didn't 
make that distinction when Parliament passed their law. And they 
actually put some teeth in their law.


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Re: PESO santacon

2010-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
Nice gallery there Larry.

I like pretty much everyone but #'s 3814, 3890 and 3908 stand out for me.

Dave

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 Santacon is approximately a bunch of people dressing up like Santa and going 
 on a pubcrawl. There was one in Santa Cruz tonight, which I went on.  I think 
 that this is my favorite photo of the evening. I've got no idea what I was 
 trying to shoot at the time, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't it.  I did spend 
 a lot of time shooting from the hip, so people wouldn't freeze up when they 
 saw the camera pointing at them.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5251195076/in/set-72157625448696367/

 If you want to see the whole set:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625448696367/

 For the terminally curious, wikipedia has this to say about SantaCon:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SantaCon

 google has even more to say about it.

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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: David Mann


But you have to admire the degree to which they can completely
destroy a room. When one fell though the ceiling into the Xerox
copy center, he managed to pull just about everything off of every
shelf before taking a huge crap in the middle of the manager's
desk.

Wow.  Every office worker's greatest fantasy.



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Re: LR and # of computers question

2010-12-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
By the terms of the EULA, you are legally constrained to be running
only two installations simultaneously. So far, Adobe has not
implemented the activation schema they use with Photoshop CSx and
other Creative Suite products for Lightroom, so you are able to
install it and be able to use it on as many systems as you want
without having to do the activation dance.


On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:26 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 I currently have LR2.7 on both my PC(dyeing) and my iBook.

 If and when i upgrade the PC to what ever, and install LR3, will it be
 ok with the three computers or will Adobe see i have installed it on
 the third computer and halt my installation.??

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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread Jeffery Smith
At first, the campus police thought it was vandalism. No animal could wreak 
such havoc. 

Jeffery


On Dec 11, 2010, at 8:47 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: David Mann
 
 But you have to admire the degree to which they can completely
 destroy a room. When one fell though the ceiling into the Xerox
 copy center, he managed to pull just about everything off of every
 shelf before taking a huge crap in the middle of the manager's
 desk.
 Wow.  Every office worker's greatest fantasy.
 
 
 Probably get you fired.
 
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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread Jeffery Smith
Last week, an otter was kicking some serious ass somewhere. They suspected 
rabies but I never heard the results. They can tell pretty quickly by doing a 
exam of the brain.

Jeffery


On Dec 11, 2010, at 8:30 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 We have raccoons and skunks in our are and at times under my shed and
 in my detached garage.
 
 I hate them. I worry about the rabies a lot. They and the skunks tear
 up my yard, nest in neighbours chimney's tear up my compost bin the
 region uses to collect wet waste and create general havoc.
 
 Dave
 
 
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 It's more fun to photograph the happy moments, but sometimes I think it's 
 the sad moments that make the more powerful photos.  I found this poor 
 little fellow lying dead on my back stairs. I don't know what happened, but 
 he's right below the hole that the raccoons have been using to get into my 
 attic, I suspect that he may have fallen climbing in or out.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5249450643/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5249453755/
 
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Re: OT: Digital ice - a question

2010-12-11 Thread Nick David Wright
Hi Ann,

I got to thinking. The wrecked car photo you like. That neg has been
severely mistreated in its 10+ years in my shoebox. It is full of dust
and scratches. With ICE turned on I didn't have to do a single bit of
spotting.

Did you get the scanner yet? Do you like it?

~Nick

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 So... sic transit 1640... Im geting the V500... it says it comes with
 Digital Ice...

 I think I remember a cautionary note about using it...  from some one here
 (or from my stock agency)

 any rants or raves guys?

 Thank goodness the scanner only costs $112  -- and that some of you (along
 with others) bought my calendars...!

 T I A for any comments

 ann
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RE: LR and # of computers question

2010-12-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: David J Brooks


I currently have LR2.7 on both my PC(dyeing) and my iBook.

If and when i upgrade the PC to what ever, and install LR3, will it be
ok with the three computers or will Adobe see i have installed it on
the third computer and halt my installation.??



Based on my experience with Photoshop upgrades while upgrading 
computers, probably not.


When I upgraded CS2 to CS3, I was setting up a new laptop. I called 
Adobe and asked if I had to install the upgrade on the same computer as 
the original installation, and their tech support told me I could 
install the upgrade on a new computer.


They told me that somewhere during the installation it would prompt for 
the original CS2 CD to confirm the upgrade. Alternatively, if you were 
upgrading from a downloaded version where you didn't have an original 
CD, you could enter the prior version's serial number.


I interpret that to mean you still only have each of the programs 
installed on two computers. You have LR2.7 on the old PC  iBook and LR3 
will be on the *new* PC  iBook.


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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: David J Brooks


We have raccoons and skunks in our are and at times under my shed and
in my detached garage.

I hate them. I worry about the rabies a lot. They and the skunks tear
up my yard, nest in neighbours chimney's tear up my compost bin the
region uses to collect wet waste and create general havoc.


I don't know if it will work for raccoons, but for skunks, you can lay 
down a perimeter of mothballs around your shed  garage and they won't 
cross the line. We used to have a LOT of skunks around the training 
sites at Ft. AP Hill, and they'd get into the tents. Post animal control 
recommended the mothballs solution.


You'll have to keep an eye on the mothballs to make sure pets  children 
don't get hold of them.


I'd talk to your county animal control agency about them as well.

I know there are baits available with an oral rabies vaccine. You might 
be able to spread some of those baits around your property where skunks 
 raccoons could eat it.


Again, you'd need to keep an eye on the bait so pets and kids won't get 
hold of it.


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Re: PESO -- Trees and Stars

2010-12-11 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:02 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm not sure if this is a high concept of I;m just high on fatigue.

Terrific!

cheers,
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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 It's more fun to photograph the happy moments, but sometimes I think it's the 
 sad moments that make the more powerful photos.  I found this poor little 
 fellow lying dead on my back stairs. I don't know what happened, but he's 
 right below the hole that the raccoons have been using to get into my attic, 
 I suspect that he may have fallen climbing in or out.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5249450643/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5249453755/

The second shot is especially moving.

cheers,
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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:39 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 I don't know if it will work for raccoons, but for skunks, you can lay down
 a perimeter of mothballs around your shed  garage and they won't cross the
 line. We used to have a LOT of skunks around the training sites at Ft. AP
 Hill, and they'd get into the tents. Post animal control recommended the
 mothballs solution.

Yes i tried that. I think they just ate them.


 I'd talk to your county animal control agency about them as well.

They only deal in stray dogs and cats and road kill. If its alive i
have to go to a private company, at least this is the case in the
Township i live in.

 I know there are baits available with an oral rabies vaccine. You might be
 able to spread some of those baits around your property where skunks 
 raccoons could eat it.

I'll speak to our Vet about that.

Dave

 Again, you'd need to keep an eye on the bait so pets and kids won't get hold
 of it.

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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread Jeffery Smith
An interesting way to keep them out of the attic is a strobe light. They can 
hack just about any annoyance except that one. Not terribly practical, though.

Jeffery


On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:39 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: David J Brooks
 
 We have raccoons and skunks in our are and at times under my shed and
 in my detached garage.
 
 I hate them. I worry about the rabies a lot. They and the skunks tear
 up my yard, nest in neighbours chimney's tear up my compost bin the
 region uses to collect wet waste and create general havoc.
 
 I don't know if it will work for raccoons, but for skunks, you can lay down a 
 perimeter of mothballs around your shed  garage and they won't cross the 
 line. We used to have a LOT of skunks around the training sites at Ft. AP 
 Hill, and they'd get into the tents. Post animal control recommended the 
 mothballs solution.
 
 You'll have to keep an eye on the mothballs to make sure pets  children 
 don't get hold of them.
 
 I'd talk to your county animal control agency about them as well.
 
 I know there are baits available with an oral rabies vaccine. You might be 
 able to spread some of those baits around your property where skunks  
 raccoons could eat it.
 
 Again, you'd need to keep an eye on the bait so pets and kids won't get hold 
 of it.
 
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Re: PESO - The Coffee Shop Portraits

2010-12-11 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:52 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Coffee Shop Portraits:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072552size=lg
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072551size=lg

 Both with K-5 and DA* 50-135, ISO 2000, f4.

 Shot the tiger fan with live view after he had caught me twice with the 
 camera raised.

The white thing in the foreground, bottom left hand side is a bit of a
bother, but hey, it was there and can't really be cropped out.

Other than that, both are fine photos of coffee shop life.  Well done!

cheers,
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Re: LR and # of computers question

2010-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:22 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 They told me that somewhere during the installation it would prompt for the
 original CS2 CD to confirm the upgrade. Alternatively, if you were upgrading
 from a downloaded version where you didn't have an original CD, you could
 enter the prior version's serial number.

My LR 1 was downloaded but my LR 2 upgrade is a disk. I have the LR1 S/N.


 I interpret that to mean you still only have each of the programs installed
 on two computers. You have LR2.7 on the old PC  iBook and LR3 will be on
 the *new* PC  iBook.

Close. LR2.7 is on the PC and iBook. LR3.x will be on the new computer
only. Seriously looking at trhe iMac 21.5

I;ll continue to use the laptop for road trip downloads etc so LR2.7
will do if i need to do anything on the fly.
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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 An interesting way to keep them out of the attic is a strobe light. They can 
 hack just about any annoyance except that one. Not terribly practical, though.

 Jeffery

I was a teenager in the 60's, the stobe is no problem.:-0

Dave


 On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:39 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: David J Brooks

 We have raccoons and skunks in our are and at times under my shed and
 in my detached garage.

 I hate them. I worry about the rabies a lot. They and the skunks tear
 up my yard, nest in neighbours chimney's tear up my compost bin the
 region uses to collect wet waste and create general havoc.

 I don't know if it will work for raccoons, but for skunks, you can lay down 
 a perimeter of mothballs around your shed  garage and they won't cross the 
 line. We used to have a LOT of skunks around the training sites at Ft. AP 
 Hill, and they'd get into the tents. Post animal control recommended the 
 mothballs solution.

 You'll have to keep an eye on the mothballs to make sure pets  children 
 don't get hold of them.

 I'd talk to your county animal control agency about them as well.

 I know there are baits available with an oral rabies vaccine. You might be 
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 raccoons could eat it.

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 of it.

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Re: PESO -- Trees and Stars

2010-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
Good shot, but a lot of dust spots.

Seriously it looks good as a BW

Dave

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:02 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm not sure if this is a high concept of I;m just high on fatigue.

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20treesandstars.html

 Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax A 24mm f2.8 w/Slik U8000 tripod.

 Notes: The camera emphasizes colors I didn't see hence the conversion to
 BW, (with green filter applied), to attempt to render the scene as I
 experienced it.  I think I failed. Resizing the image to web to web size
 didn't help it either.

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PESO 2010 - 221 - GDG

2010-12-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
A new photo blog post available for your viewing: 

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RE: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread Bob W
  It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
  than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
  which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
  out of just about any situation.
 
 My understanding is the British law in this case is sort of in response
 to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision that EVERY defendant should have
 access to adequate legal counsel.
 
 The U.S. decision applied only to criminal cases, but the British
 didn't
 make that distinction when Parliament passed their law. And they
 actually put some teeth in their law.

they did make a distinction. There are different rules and entitlements
applying to criminal and civil law and different organisations dealing with
each branch.
http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/default.asp

Any human system which tries to be just is subject to freeloaders, to people
whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people we just plain don't like
such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price of trying to be a just
society. One that I personally don't mind paying provided there are
reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few freeloaders.

In addition to that, the rates paid to lawyers working under the scheme are
fixed by parliament, so it doesn't matter how much the law firm may charge
for private work. For legal aid work they get the same rate as everyone
else. Having said that, plenty of lawyers have become millionaires from
legal aid work, so they're not paying peanuts.

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RE: OT - London Student Protest in pics

2010-12-11 Thread Bob W
 
 Someone sent me this link - some very powerful pics...
 
 http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/12/london_tuition_fee_protest.ht
 ml
 

good stuff. Nice to see students getting worked up about something for a
change, even if it is a bit selfish. The police seem to have got it wrong
though.

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Re: Happy Birthday, Annsan

2010-12-11 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:15 AM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 (Clears throat.)

 Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Ann, happy 
 birthday to you.

Many happy returns, Ann!!

cheers,
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Re: Two more PESOs from Boris

2010-12-11 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-55-ice-cream.html and
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-56-empty-street.html

 Be brutal and honest.

Like 'em both, but especially the gelato case.  But maybe I'm just a
sucker for gelato (which I no longer eat).  The colours and light make
it a wonderful shot.

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Re: PESO - The Coffee Shop Portraits

2010-12-11 Thread P N Stenquist

On Dec 11, 2010, at 11:12 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:52 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
 Coffee Shop Portraits:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072552size=lg
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072551size=lg
 
 Both with K-5 and DA* 50-135, ISO 2000, f4.
 
 Shot the tiger fan with live view after he had caught me twice with the 
 camera raised.
 
 The white thing in the foreground, bottom left hand side is a bit of a
 bother, but hey, it was there and can't really be cropped out.

Thanks Frank. Yes, I wasn't too pleased with that chair back in the frame. But 
I've included out of focus foreground objects in other pics of this series, and 
I'm not sure that they aren't a plus when taken collectively. They demonstrate 
that the perspective is limited to the view from one chair in the shop. But 
perhaps I'm just rationalizing a shortcoming:-).
Paul
 
 Other than that, both are fine photos of coffee shop life.  Well done!
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 
 
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OT: The time has come

2010-12-11 Thread John Sessoms

... almost.

I'll be headed out soon, getting down to Raleigh so I'll be in place for 
my flight tomorrow morning. I'll be shutting down my computer just 
before I leave here.


I decided not to take a laptop with me. I can scrounge time on some of 
my fellow travelers' laptops to transfer images from my camera cards to 
my portable hard drive. Don't know if I'll need to, I've got a bunch of 
cards - 8 x 8GB, 8 x 4GB, and 8 x 2GB.


I'm almost packed. I've double  triple checked everything.

All I still have to do is stuff clean socks into various bags  pockets. 
And I have to pick up my shower shoes from the house in Raleigh. Got a 
to do list I've been checking items off to make sure I don't forget 
anything, and get shower shoes from home is all that's left on it.


I'm down to the point that all I have left to do is tidy up my apartment 
a little bit and put my bags in my car.


Should be back on list in about eleven days, although I'll still be 
looking at anything that comes through in the next few hours.


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Re: OT: Digital ice - a question

2010-12-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Nick David Wright wrote:


Hi Ann,

I got to thinking. The wrecked car photo you like. That neg has been
severely mistreated in its 10+ years in my shoebox. It is full of dust
and scratches. With ICE turned on I didn't have to do a single bit of
spotting.


ooh was that a 35 mm neg?


Did you get the scanner yet? Do you like it?

~Nick


I love it   but I only did two things so far.

I expect to have examples up sometime over the weekend or later --

I owed a friend a scan of a 4 x 6 print from 2001...  and I did one 
experiment with a slide that
I had had professionally scanned a number of years ago and I like the 
result of mine better...


One frustrating moment was that my old scanner's on/off button was right 
in front  where
the V500's start button is...  and it didnt go.  I checked the 
connections etc... finally picked up

the quick start sheet again .  duh!  never saw the side switch.

I didn't use digital ice or any of the other buttons except the UNSHARP 
mask, but I was working with

a good well exposed slide.  Didn't use auto mode.

More when I do more.  


ann





On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 


So... sic transit 1640... Im geting the V500... it says it comes with
Digital Ice...

I think I remember a cautionary note about using it...  from some one here
(or from my stock agency)

any rants or raves guys?

Thank goodness the scanner only costs $112  -- and that some of you (along
with others) bought my calendars...!

T I A for any comments

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Re: OT: Digital ice - a question

2010-12-11 Thread Nick David Wright
That was a 35mm neg.

I haven't done a lot of playing with it, but I wasn't terribly happy
with the unsharp mask function of the Epson scan so I just turned it
off.

Glad you like it so far!

~nick

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Nick David Wright wrote:

 Hi Ann,

 I got to thinking. The wrecked car photo you like. That neg has been
 severely mistreated in its 10+ years in my shoebox. It is full of dust
 and scratches. With ICE turned on I didn't have to do a single bit of
 spotting.

 ooh was that a 35 mm neg?

 Did you get the scanner yet? Do you like it?

 ~Nick

 I love it   but I only did two things so far.

 I expect to have examples up sometime over the weekend or later --

 I owed a friend a scan of a 4 x 6 print from 2001...  and I did one
 experiment with a slide that
 I had had professionally scanned a number of years ago and I like the result
 of mine better...

 One frustrating moment was that my old scanner's on/off button was right in
 front  where
 the V500's start button is...  and it didnt go.  I checked the connections
 etc... finally picked up
 the quick start sheet again .  duh!  never saw the side switch.

 I didn't use digital ice or any of the other buttons except the UNSHARP
 mask, but I was working with
 a good well exposed slide.  Didn't use auto mode.

 More when I do more.
 ann




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 So... sic transit 1640... Im geting the V500... it says it comes with
 Digital Ice...

 I think I remember a cautionary note about using it...  from some one
 here
 (or from my stock agency)

 any rants or raves guys?

 Thank goodness the scanner only costs $112  -- and that some of you
 (along
 with others) bought my calendars...!

 T I A for any comments

 ann
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Re: PESO santacon

2010-12-11 Thread Walter Gilbert
 It's events like these that make me wish I lived closer to a 
metropolitan area.   Of course, there are other events that make me glad 
I don't, but I digress.


I enjoyed the whole series, but something about 3984 
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/5251197730/ stands out to 
me.  Seems like a slightly tighter crop, eliminating the drapes (?) on 
the right-hand side would make it even better.


Nice work all the way around, though.

-- Walt

On 12/11/2010 4:17 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

Santacon is approximately a bunch of people dressing up like Santa and going on 
a pubcrawl. There was one in Santa Cruz tonight, which I went on.  I think that 
this is my favorite photo of the evening. I've got no idea what I was trying to 
shoot at the time, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't it.  I did spend a lot of 
time shooting from the hip, so people wouldn't freeze up when they saw the 
camera pointing at them.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5251195076/in/set-72157625448696367/

If you want to see the whole set:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625448696367/

For the terminally curious, wikipedia has this to say about SantaCon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SantaCon

google has even more to say about it.

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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: Jeffery Smith


An interesting way to keep them out of the attic is a strobe light.
They can hack just about any annoyance except that one. Not terribly
practical, though.

Jeffery


Would that work for squirrels too?

I did burglar alarms for 15 years, and I could rig a cheap strobe to a 
timer ~ 3 min or so and use an IR motion detector to trigger it and the 
whole thing can be powered by a 12v gel cell power pack (constant 
trickle charge with AC from a wall wart).


It wouldn't take 5 minutes to build it and less than an hour to install it.

The only challenge I see is finding an older version motion detector 
that doesn't have circuitry to keep pets from setting it off. If pets 
won't set it off, squirrels wouldn't set it off.


I'll have to dig around some at home. I may even have one still left 
over from my BA days.


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Re: OT - London Student Protest in pics

2010-12-11 Thread Walter Gilbert
 If it's anything like similar protests in the US, I have to wonder how 
many of those people are actually affected students as opposed to trust 
fund anarchists looking for a thrill.


-- Walt

On 12/11/2010 10:20 AM, Bob W wrote:

Someone sent me this link - some very powerful pics...

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/12/london_tuition_fee_protest.ht
ml


good stuff. Nice to see students getting worked up about something for a
change, even if it is a bit selfish. The police seem to have got it wrong
though.

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RE: OT - London Student Protest in pics

2010-12-11 Thread Bob W
most of them are genuine students, but they're not the ones rioting. There's
always an element of rent-a-mob at these things. Dave Gilmour's son was
quite prominently involved, so I guess he'd be classed as a trust fund
anarchist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11972814

B

 
   If it's anything like similar protests in the US, I have to wonder
 how
 many of those people are actually affected students as opposed to trust
 fund anarchists looking for a thrill.
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 12/11/2010 10:20 AM, Bob W wrote:
  Someone sent me this link - some very powerful pics...
 
 
 http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/12/london_tuition_fee_protest.ht
  ml
 
  good stuff. Nice to see students getting worked up about something
 for a
  change, even if it is a bit selfish. The police seem to have got it
 wrong
  though.
 
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Re: PESO raccoon

2010-12-11 Thread Jeffery Smith
I think it would work for all small varmints. Opossums, squirrels, raccoons. 
Rats would probably just burrow into an area without light.

On Dec 11, 2010, at 11:26 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Jeffery Smith
 
 An interesting way to keep them out of the attic is a strobe light.
 They can hack just about any annoyance except that one. Not terribly
 practical, though.
 
 Jeffery
 
 Would that work for squirrels too?
 
 I did burglar alarms for 15 years, and I could rig a cheap strobe to a timer 
 ~ 3 min or so and use an IR motion detector to trigger it and the whole thing 
 can be powered by a 12v gel cell power pack (constant trickle charge with AC 
 from a wall wart).
 
 It wouldn't take 5 minutes to build it and less than an hour to install it.
 
 The only challenge I see is finding an older version motion detector that 
 doesn't have circuitry to keep pets from setting it off. If pets won't set it 
 off, squirrels wouldn't set it off.
 
 I'll have to dig around some at home. I may even have one still left over 
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RE: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bob W


It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
  than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
  which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
  out of just about any situation.


 My understanding is the British law in this case is sort of in response
 to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision that EVERY defendant should have
 access to adequate legal counsel.

 The U.S. decision applied only to criminal cases, but the British
 didn't
 make that distinction when Parliament passed their law. And they
 actually put some teeth in their law.


they did make a distinction. There are different rules and entitlements
applying to criminal and civil law and different organisations dealing with
each branch.
http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/default.asp


What I meant is the British applied the concept that no one should be 
denied effective legal representation just because they can't afford to 
pay a lawyer to civil law as well as criminal cases.


They did not limit it to criminal defendants the way the U.S. Supreme 
Court decision did. In the U.S. you can still be cheated of justice in 
civil matters simply because you don't have as much money to pay lawyers 
as the other side does.


Civil litigation is expensive, and someone with enough money can screw 
you in court - burying you in lawyers, forcing you to choose between 
bankruptcy or surrender. Sometimes both.


It happened to someone I know.

He was a one man shop working on computer networks starting the early 
80s. When the internet began to open up to commercial operations, he 
registered his domain name as gateway.net.


Later a company in South Dakota chose the name Gateway2000. In the late 
90s they realized the 2000 part of their name was getting ready to 
become obsolete, and changed their name to Gateway.


They offered my friend $1000 for the domain name he had been using for 
15 years, and when he declined to sell, they sued him for trademark 
infringement. Buried him in lawyers.


The first thing they did was seek an injunction to prohibit him from 
using his domain name until the case was settled. An injunction the 
court granted despite his showing that he had been doing business as 
Gateway, using the domain name gateway.net a decade before the 
Gateway2000 company was incorporated, and long before they decided to 
change their name to simply Gateway.


Gateway2000 had the money, and were able to buy the court. Their lawyers 
shopped around until they found a judge who would grant the injunction.


Bankrupted him. Gateway used their financial muscle to buy justice; or 
more properly, to deny justice to my acquaintance.


Which, BTW, is why I never recommend Gateway, and won't buy anything 
from them. And since Acer now owns Gateway, screw them too!



Any human system which tries to be just is subject to freeloaders, to people
whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people we just plain don't like
such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price of trying to be a just
society. One that I personally don't mind paying provided there are
reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few freeloaders.


I'm not criticizing it. As you might infer from above, I don't think 
it's a good idea for justice to be for sale to the highest bidder.



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Re: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 09:39:07AM -0500, John Sessoms wrote:
 From: John Francis
 
 It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
 than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
 which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
 out of just about any situation.
 
 My understanding is the British law in this case is sort of in
 response to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision that EVERY defendant
 should have access to adequate legal counsel.
 
 The U.S. decision applied only to criminal cases, but the British
 didn't make that distinction when Parliament passed their law. And
 they actually put some teeth in their law.

That may be one part of it.  Another part is that the British setup
will generally handle something like a custody hearing in a lower
court, so the costs are a lot more reasonable.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that Paul didn't get a raw deal
from the way the system worked in his particular case. But this was
an outlier case, complicated by the fact that a minor child appears
to have been removed from the jurisdiction of the appropriate court
without the proper formalities.  This in itself could be enough to
guarantee legal support for a British citizen claiming parental
rights, not to mention the fact that the cornerstone of many legal
systems, the presumption of innocence, is only worth anything if
it is applied to all without pre-judging how deserving they are.

It's easy to support a principle if you agree with the beneficiary.
The true test is if you can support someone you personally dislike.
As Voltaire probably didn't actually state: I disagree with what
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Re: OT - London Student Protest in pics

2010-12-11 Thread Walter Gilbert
 I'd read about Gilmour's son -- so ironically fitting.  He's the one 
guy who least stood to gain or lose, yet he participated in the very 
activity that is most likely to cause a backlash leading to a setback 
for the movement he purports to support.  Being shielded from the 
consequences of either your success or failure has a way of emboldening 
people.  I mean, if David Gilmour had wound up being a session musician, 
you have to wonder if Charlie would have been prancing around on the 
Cenotaph like he was.


Now, every student out there will have to deal with the fallout of his 
actions.  But, for Charlie, it's really just a minor embarrassment 
resulting from a momentary lapse of reason and life goes on, smooth as 
silk.


-- Walt

On 12/11/2010 11:36 AM, Bob W wrote:

most of them are genuine students, but they're not the ones rioting. There's
always an element of rent-a-mob at these things. Dave Gilmour's son was
quite prominently involved, so I guess he'd be classed as a trust fund
anarchist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11972814

B


   If it's anything like similar protests in the US, I have to wonder
how
many of those people are actually affected students as opposed to trust
fund anarchists looking for a thrill.

-- Walt

On 12/11/2010 10:20 AM, Bob W wrote:

Someone sent me this link - some very powerful pics...



http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/12/london_tuition_fee_protest.ht

ml


good stuff. Nice to see students getting worked up about something

for a

change, even if it is a bit selfish. The police seem to have got it

wrong

though.

B




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Re: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread Walter Gilbert
 It's my understanding that, in the British system, unlike in the US, 
the loser of the case is responsible for the legal fees and court costs 
of the winner.  That would tend to make their system more workable, an d 
would almost certainly make them more likely to foot the bill for the 
highest-paid law firm in Detroit, knowing they wouldn't have to pay for 
the other guy's representation if they lost.


Of course, my understanding could be way off-base.  But, it seems like I 
read that somewhere.


-- Walt

On 12/11/2010 12:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Bob W


It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
  than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
  which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
  out of just about any situation.


 My understanding is the British law in this case is sort of in 
response
 to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision that EVERY defendant should 
have

 access to adequate legal counsel.

 The U.S. decision applied only to criminal cases, but the British
 didn't
 make that distinction when Parliament passed their law. And they
 actually put some teeth in their law.


they did make a distinction. There are different rules and entitlements
applying to criminal and civil law and different organisations 
dealing with

each branch.
http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/default.asp


What I meant is the British applied the concept that no one should be 
denied effective legal representation just because they can't afford 
to pay a lawyer to civil law as well as criminal cases.


They did not limit it to criminal defendants the way the U.S. Supreme 
Court decision did. In the U.S. you can still be cheated of justice in 
civil matters simply because you don't have as much money to pay 
lawyers as the other side does.


Civil litigation is expensive, and someone with enough money can screw 
you in court - burying you in lawyers, forcing you to choose between 
bankruptcy or surrender. Sometimes both.


It happened to someone I know.

He was a one man shop working on computer networks starting the early 
80s. When the internet began to open up to commercial operations, he 
registered his domain name as gateway.net.


Later a company in South Dakota chose the name Gateway2000. In the 
late 90s they realized the 2000 part of their name was getting ready 
to become obsolete, and changed their name to Gateway.


They offered my friend $1000 for the domain name he had been using for 
15 years, and when he declined to sell, they sued him for trademark 
infringement. Buried him in lawyers.


The first thing they did was seek an injunction to prohibit him from 
using his domain name until the case was settled. An injunction the 
court granted despite his showing that he had been doing business as 
Gateway, using the domain name gateway.net a decade before the 
Gateway2000 company was incorporated, and long before they decided to 
change their name to simply Gateway.


Gateway2000 had the money, and were able to buy the court. Their 
lawyers shopped around until they found a judge who would grant the 
injunction.


Bankrupted him. Gateway used their financial muscle to buy justice; 
or more properly, to deny justice to my acquaintance.


Which, BTW, is why I never recommend Gateway, and won't buy anything 
from them. And since Acer now owns Gateway, screw them too!


Any human system which tries to be just is subject to freeloaders, to 
people
whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people we just plain don't 
like
such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price of trying to be a 
just

society. One that I personally don't mind paying provided there are
reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few freeloaders.


I'm not criticizing it. As you might infer from above, I don't think 
it's a good idea for justice to be for sale to the highest bidder.






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Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread AlunFoto
Hi folks,

Finally it looks like I'll have more time on my hands for a while.

So what's been up lately?

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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/10, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:

Finally it looks like I'll have more time on my hands for a while.

So what's been up lately?

Oh bloody hell the Vikings have arrived.

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Re: PESO santacon

2010-12-11 Thread Larry Colen

On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:41 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 Nice gallery there Larry.
 
 I like pretty much everyone but #'s 3814, 3890 and 3908 stand out for me.

Thanks Dave.  I was getting ready to see how to fix some of them, until I got 
to the last four words of the sentence. 

Jack,
you are right, a few of the people  there were getting pretty toasty by the end 
of the evening.

Walter, 
excellent suggestion about the cropping. I also considered coming in a lot 
tighter, but decided to leave the composition pretty much as is.

The Santacon last weekend up in SF was probably 10-20 times the size of the one 
in Santa Cruz last night.  When I went to grab dinner in Chinatown last 
Saturday there were a lot of groups, the size of this one, wandering from bar 
to bar.  I should have grabbed a couple of photos, but was hungry and had 
limited time.

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RE: OT - London Student Protest in pics

2010-12-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bob W


Someone sent me this link - some very powerful pics...

 http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/12/london_tuition_fee_protest.ht
 ml


good stuff. Nice to see students getting worked up about something for a
change, even if it is a bit selfish. The police seem to have got it wrong
though.



One of those situations where there aren't many good guys on either 
side of the line.


Good cops caught up in a bad situation. When every possible response is 
wrong, the only thing you can do is try to find the least worst 
response. I don't know if they were successful.


I think the government's policy regarding education costs are short 
sighted, and will cost Britain a lot more more in the years ahead than 
they're ever going to save with their cuts and tuition increases.


This applies to U.S. education policies as well.

Education should be as close to free as it's possible to make it, so 
that as many can take advantage of it as want to.


Education is an investment in the future of the nation. Over the long 
term everyone benefits from low cost education, whether you are paying 
tuition yourself or have kids you're going to have to pay tuition for in 
the future. Investing in creating an educated population has a very high 
Return on Investment.


But it has to be an investment at the level of the society. It's not 
something an individual, even the wealthiest individual can afford. 
Works the other way as well. Disinvestment in education will bring very 
steep increases in future costs.


Turning education into a profit center the way it's being done in 
Britain and the U.S. is self defeating.


The pool of educated workers will shrink and there won't be enough of 
them to grow the economy. The cost of finding educated workers is going 
to go up sharply, unless you bring low-wage workers trained in third 
world countries where they understand the difference between the VALUE 
of education and the COST of education. Those third world, low wage 
workers are going to bring third world, low wage values along with them. 
They won't share the cultural values of our societies.


And bringing in those low-wage workers creates another problem of how 
are you going to deal with your own native population you've displaced 
from the job market. You force the middle class down into the working 
class, and displace the working class on to the dole.


It's been done before and it's always had disastrous results.

Bread and circuses will mollify the displaced worker for only so long. 
Especially since sooner or later some taxpayer is going to revolt 
against the cost of providing bread and circuses.


Meanwhile, the mob grows and grows down in the belly of the beast.

Read Gibbon; read Marx (and what Lenin  Stalin made of his writings); 
read Mein Kampf ... the French tried it in the 18th century, and you can 
see where that got them.


Après Moi anyone?

Every farmer knows you don't eat your seed. And that's exactly what our 
current governments are proposing to do.


So there's your choice, invest in education, keeping the cost to the 
student low, which offers very high future profit ... or don't invest in 
education, letting the cost rise prohibitively, generating very high 
future costs.


OTOH, the student's behavior won't garner them much sympathy.

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Re: OT - London Student Protest in pics

2010-12-11 Thread paul stenquist

On Dec 11, 2010, at 1:50 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Bob W
 
 Someone sent me this link - some very powerful pics...
 
  http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/12/london_tuition_fee_protest.ht
  ml
 
 good stuff. Nice to see students getting worked up about something for a
 change, even if it is a bit selfish. The police seem to have got it wrong
 though.
 
 
 One of those situations where there aren't many good guys on either side of 
 the line.
 
 Good cops caught up in a bad situation. When every possible response is 
 wrong, the only thing you can do is try to find the least worst response. I 
 don't know if they were successful.
 
 I think the government's policy regarding education costs are short sighted, 
 and will cost Britain a lot more more in the years ahead than they're ever 
 going to save with their cuts and tuition increases.
 
 This applies to U.S. education policies as well.
 
 Education should be as close to free as it's possible to make it, so that as 
 many can take advantage of it as want to.
 
 Education is an investment in the future of the nation. Over the long term 
 everyone benefits from low cost education, whether you are paying tuition 
 yourself or have kids you're going to have to pay tuition for in the future. 
 Investing in creating an educated population has a very high Return on 
 Investment.
 
 But it has to be an investment at the level of the society. It's not 
 something an individual, even the wealthiest individual can afford. Works the 
 other way as well. Disinvestment in education will bring very steep increases 
 in future costs.
 
 Turning education into a profit center the way it's being done in Britain and 
 the U.S. is self defeating.

I think it's more about keeping it  a break-even situation. The European 
socialist model has pretty much failed. It's unsustainable, as most free-lunch 
plans tend to be.
Paul


 
 The pool of educated workers will shrink and there won't be enough of them to 
 grow the economy. The cost of finding educated workers is going to go up 
 sharply, unless you bring low-wage workers trained in third world countries 
 where they understand the difference between the VALUE of education and the 
 COST of education. Those third world, low wage workers are going to bring 
 third world, low wage values along with them. They won't share the cultural 
 values of our societies.
 
 And bringing in those low-wage workers creates another problem of how are you 
 going to deal with your own native population you've displaced from the job 
 market. You force the middle class down into the working class, and displace 
 the working class on to the dole.
 
 It's been done before and it's always had disastrous results.
 
 Bread and circuses will mollify the displaced worker for only so long. 
 Especially since sooner or later some taxpayer is going to revolt against 
 the cost of providing bread and circuses.
 
 Meanwhile, the mob grows and grows down in the belly of the beast.
 
 Read Gibbon; read Marx (and what Lenin  Stalin made of his writings); read 
 Mein Kampf ... the French tried it in the 18th century, and you can see where 
 that got them.
 
 Après Moi anyone?
 
 Every farmer knows you don't eat your seed. And that's exactly what our 
 current governments are proposing to do.
 
 So there's your choice, invest in education, keeping the cost to the student 
 low, which offers very high future profit ... or don't invest in education, 
 letting the cost rise prohibitively, generating very high future costs.
 
 OTOH, the student's behavior won't garner them much sympathy.
 
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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread paul stenquist
Good to see you back, Jostein. 

Was thinking about you when that cruise ship got pounded down in the Drake 
Passage.

Paul


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 Hi folks,
 
 Finally it looks like I'll have more time on my hands for a while.
 
 So what's been up lately?
 
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Re: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread Keith Whaley

John Sessoms wrote:

[...]

Gateway2000 had the money, and were able to buy the court. Their lawyers 
shopped around until they found a judge who would grant the injunction.


Bankrupted him. Gateway used their financial muscle to buy justice; or 
more properly, to deny justice to my acquaintance.


Which, BTW, is why I never recommend Gateway, and won't buy anything 
from them. And since Acer now owns Gateway, screw them too!


Any human system which tries to be just is subject to freeloaders, to 
people

whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people we just plain don't like
such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price of trying to be a just
society. One that I personally don't mind paying provided there are
reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few freeloaders.


I'm not criticizing it. As you might infer from above, I don't think 
it's a good idea for justice to be for sale to the highest bidder.



I totally agree! Thanks or the true story. Good to know...

keith whaley

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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread AlunFoto
2010/12/11 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
 Good to see you back, Jostein.

 Was thinking about you when that cruise ship got pounded down in the Drake 
 Passage.

Thanks Paul!
I didn't know about that accident. After a quick google I found it to
be the Clelia II. It looked hauntingly familiar. Actually, we met
this ship while sailing through the Neumayer Channel, a fjord close
to the British base at Port Lockroy. Here's one pic of her that I took
in the passing:

http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/displayimage.php?pos=-281

We were, I dunno, maybe 15 or 20 people standing on deck to absorb the
spectacular view. On the Clelia, there are only two people outdoors,
both of them in orange clothing, probably crew. I recall us sniggering
and shaking heads at the ship's customers for not making the most of
the moment.

The Clelia is a much bigger ship than the one we were on. :-)
Damn, I'm glad we didn't meet any freak waves...

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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread AlunFoto
2010/12/11 Cotty cotty...@mac.com:

 Oh bloody hell the Vikings have arrived.

Spaam!


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RE: OT - London Student Protest in pics

2010-12-11 Thread Bob W
[...]
 
 I think the government's policy regarding education costs are short
 sighted, and will cost Britain a lot more more in the years ahead than
 they're ever going to save with their cuts and tuition increases.
 
 This applies to U.S. education policies as well.
 
 Education should be as close to free as it's possible to make it, so
 that as many can take advantage of it as want to.
 
 Education is an investment in the future of the nation. Over the long
 term everyone benefits from low cost education, whether you are paying
 tuition yourself or have kids you're going to have to pay tuition for
 in
 the future. Investing in creating an educated population has a very
 high
 Return on Investment.
 
 But it has to be an investment at the level of the society. It's not
 something an individual, even the wealthiest individual can afford.
 Works the other way as well. Disinvestment in education will bring very
 steep increases in future costs.

I completely agree. I was lucky enough to be in a generation which was paid
to go into further education. I've more than repaid the costs in the taxes
I've paid by earning more than I would otherwise have done, and so have most
of my family and friends.

[...]
 
 OTOH, the student's behavior won't garner them much sympathy.

I dunno. When the French students were rioting a few weeks ago because
they'd have to work to 62 (!) there were a lot of people here asking why
ours weren't rioting too. Remember, their parents and grandparents did their
fair share of demos and riots in the 60s and 70s. I get the impression that
a lot of people, even some of the government who were student leaders in
their day, are rather pleased that they're showing a bit of fight.

Bob


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Re: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread Jack Davis
It's my understanding (in some cases I know to be correct) that in USA civil 
cases, court costs and attorney's fees are included in the award. How common 
this is, is not known to me.

Jack

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 From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 10:16 AM
  It's my understanding that, in the
 British system, unlike in the US, the loser of the case is
 responsible for the legal fees and court costs of the
 winner.  That would tend to make their system more
 workable, an d would almost certainly make them more likely
 to foot the bill for the highest-paid law firm in Detroit,
 knowing they wouldn't have to pay for the other guy's
 representation if they lost.
 
 Of course, my understanding could be way off-base. 
 But, it seems like I read that somewhere.
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 12/11/2010 12:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
  From: Bob W
  
  It's a philosophical difference, and no
 more indefensible
than the US system of one law
 for the rich, one for the poor
which allows those with deep
 enough pockets to buy their way
out of just about any
 situation.
  
   My understanding is the British law in
 this case is sort of in response
   to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision
 that EVERY defendant should have
   access to adequate legal counsel.
  
   The U.S. decision applied only to
 criminal cases, but the British
   didn't
   make that distinction when Parliament
 passed their law. And they
   actually put some teeth in their law.
  
  they did make a distinction. There are different
 rules and entitlements
  applying to criminal and civil law and different
 organisations dealing with
  each branch.
  http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/default.asp
  
  What I meant is the British applied the concept that
 no one should be denied effective legal representation just
 because they can't afford to pay a lawyer to civil law as
 well as criminal cases.
  
  They did not limit it to criminal defendants the way
 the U.S. Supreme Court decision did. In the U.S. you can
 still be cheated of justice in civil matters simply because
 you don't have as much money to pay lawyers as the other
 side does.
  
  Civil litigation is expensive, and someone with enough
 money can screw you in court - burying you in lawyers,
 forcing you to choose between bankruptcy or surrender.
 Sometimes both.
  
  It happened to someone I know.
  
  He was a one man shop working on computer networks
 starting the early 80s. When the internet began to open up
 to commercial operations, he registered his domain name as
 gateway.net.
  
  Later a company in South Dakota chose the name
 Gateway2000. In the late 90s they realized the 2000 part of
 their name was getting ready to become obsolete, and changed
 their name to Gateway.
  
  They offered my friend $1000 for the domain name he
 had been using for 15 years, and when he declined to sell,
 they sued him for trademark infringement. Buried him in
 lawyers.
  
  The first thing they did was seek an injunction to
 prohibit him from using his domain name until the case was
 settled. An injunction the court granted despite his showing
 that he had been doing business as Gateway, using the domain
 name gateway.net a decade before the Gateway2000 company was
 incorporated, and long before they decided to change their
 name to simply Gateway.
  
  Gateway2000 had the money, and were able to buy the
 court. Their lawyers shopped around until they found a judge
 who would grant the injunction.
  
  Bankrupted him. Gateway used their financial muscle to
 buy justice; or more properly, to deny justice to my
 acquaintance.
  
  Which, BTW, is why I never recommend Gateway, and
 won't buy anything from them. And since Acer now owns
 Gateway, screw them too!
  
  Any human system which tries to be just is subject
 to freeloaders, to people
  whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people
 we just plain don't like
  such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price
 of trying to be a just
  society. One that I personally don't mind paying
 provided there are
  reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few
 freeloaders.
  
  I'm not criticizing it. As you might infer from above,
 I don't think it's a good idea for justice to be for sale
 to the highest bidder.
  
  
 
 
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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread Jack Davis
Jostein, Welcome! Is all OK? Looking forward to, once again, experiencing your 
work.

Jack 

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 Hi folks,
 
 Finally it looks like I'll have more time on my hands for a
 while.
 
 So what's been up lately?
 
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Re: I Wish

2010-12-11 Thread Walter Gilbert
 It varies from one state to the next, and from one jurisdiction 
(district or circuit level) to the next.  In some cases, it's up to the 
judge's discretion, and in others, it's the jury's.  State courts have a 
huge degree of autonomy, even down to the very basis of legal precedent 
-- in most US states, law is based on British common law, whereas, in 
Louisiana, it's French common law.


-- Walt

On 12/11/2010 1:41 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

It's my understanding (in some cases I know to be correct) that in USA civil 
cases, court costs and attorney's fees are included in the award. How common 
this is, is not known to me.

Jack

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From: Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I Wish
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 10:16 AM
  It's my understanding that, in the
British system, unlike in the US, the loser of the case is
responsible for the legal fees and court costs of the
winner.  That would tend to make their system more
workable, an d would almost certainly make them more likely
to foot the bill for the highest-paid law firm in Detroit,
knowing they wouldn't have to pay for the other guy's
representation if they lost.

Of course, my understanding could be way off-base. 
But, it seems like I read that somewhere.


-- Walt

On 12/11/2010 12:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Bob W


It's a philosophical difference, and no

more indefensible

than the US system of one law

for the rich, one for the poor

which allows those with deep

enough pockets to buy their way

out of just about any

situation.

My understanding is the British law in

this case is sort of in response

to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision

that EVERY defendant should have

access to adequate legal counsel.

The U.S. decision applied only to

criminal cases, but the British

didn't
make that distinction when Parliament

passed their law. And they

actually put some teeth in their law.

they did make a distinction. There are different

rules and entitlements

applying to criminal and civil law and different

organisations dealing with

each branch.
http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/default.asp

What I meant is the British applied the concept that

no one should be denied effective legal representation just
because they can't afford to pay a lawyer to civil law as
well as criminal cases.

They did not limit it to criminal defendants the way

the U.S. Supreme Court decision did. In the U.S. you can
still be cheated of justice in civil matters simply because
you don't have as much money to pay lawyers as the other
side does.

Civil litigation is expensive, and someone with enough

money can screw you in court - burying you in lawyers,
forcing you to choose between bankruptcy or surrender.
Sometimes both.

It happened to someone I know.

He was a one man shop working on computer networks

starting the early 80s. When the internet began to open up
to commercial operations, he registered his domain name as
gateway.net.

Later a company in South Dakota chose the name

Gateway2000. In the late 90s they realized the 2000 part of
their name was getting ready to become obsolete, and changed
their name to Gateway.

They offered my friend $1000 for the domain name he

had been using for 15 years, and when he declined to sell,
they sued him for trademark infringement. Buried him in
lawyers.

The first thing they did was seek an injunction to

prohibit him from using his domain name until the case was
settled. An injunction the court granted despite his showing
that he had been doing business as Gateway, using the domain
name gateway.net a decade before the Gateway2000 company was
incorporated, and long before they decided to change their
name to simply Gateway.

Gateway2000 had the money, and were able to buy the

court. Their lawyers shopped around until they found a judge
who would grant the injunction.

Bankrupted him. Gateway used their financial muscle to

buy justice; or more properly, to deny justice to my
acquaintance.

Which, BTW, is why I never recommend Gateway, and

won't buy anything from them. And since Acer now owns
Gateway, screw them too!

Any human system which tries to be just is subject

to freeloaders, to people

whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people

we just plain don't like

such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price

of trying to be a just

society. One that I personally don't mind paying

provided there are

reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few

freeloaders.

I'm not criticizing it. As you might infer from above,

I don't think it's a good idea for justice to be for sale
to the highest bidder.




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Re: PESO 2010 - 221 - GDG

2010-12-11 Thread Larry Colen

On Dec 11, 2010, at 8:20 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 A new photo blog post available for your viewing: 
 
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Re: PESO santacon

2010-12-11 Thread Larry Colen
One interesting aspect about the SantaCon photos is that they were all shot 
with my sigma 20/1.8.

After the initial fun of playing with it, I had gotten frustrated by the 
focusing on that lens. At the distances I bought it for, it's very tough to 
focus manually. At the light levels that I bought it for, it's very tough to 
autofocus.  Once I finally got the 16-50, I also had something wider, sharper, 
and reasonably fast.

However, I knew that the 16-50 wasn't going to be fast enough, even on the K-x, 
to use in dive bars, the 31 wouldn't be wide enough, and besides I only wanted 
to carry one camera+lens.  It's funny how things will happen, and lenses that 
had been pretty much ignored for months, or longer, will suddenly get a lot of 
use.

I suspect that when I get a K-5, my 18-250 will suddenly be fast enough that 
it's incredible range will cause me to start using it a lot more than I have 
been for the past year or so.

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Re: PESO 2010 - 221 - GDG

2010-12-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Quite interesting.

Dan
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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Welcome back Jostein, hope things aren't too hectic.
Some of us are enjoying the new K-5.
Shooting in the dark is possible, well maybe the twilight...
The low light performance is so good that autofocus starts to look a bit weak.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread Larry Colen

On Dec 11, 2010, at 10:41 AM, AlunFoto wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 Finally it looks like I'll have more time on my hands for a while.

Welcome back.  

You aren't allowed to post any photos though, I'm having a hard enough time 
maintaining the fantasy that I'm a decent photographer without people showing 
off how it is supposed to be done.


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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread eckinator
The Norseman we love to hate! Welcome back Jostein =)
Ecke

2010/12/11 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Dec 11, 2010, at 10:41 AM, AlunFoto wrote:

 Hi folks,

 Finally it looks like I'll have more time on my hands for a while.

 Welcome back.

 You aren't allowed to post any photos though, I'm having a hard enough time 
 maintaining the fantasy that I'm a decent photographer without people showing 
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Re: OT: The time has come

2010-12-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Have a good trip John!  China isn't it?
Be prepared to be an old man in a young society.
Look for high-rise buildings being built with bamboo scaffolding!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:32 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
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 fellow travelers' laptops to transfer images from my camera cards to my
 portable hard drive. Don't know if I'll need to, I've got a bunch of cards -
 8 x 8GB, 8 x 4GB, and 8 x 2GB.

 I'm almost packed. I've double  triple checked everything.

 All I still have to do is stuff clean socks into various bags  pockets. And
 I have to pick up my shower shoes from the house in Raleigh. Got a to do
 list I've been checking items off to make sure I don't forget anything, and
 get shower shoes from home is all that's left on it.

 I'm down to the point that all I have left to do is tidy up my apartment a
 little bit and put my bags in my car.

 Should be back on list in about eleven days, although I'll still be looking
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PESO 2010 - Passing Chair - GDG

2010-12-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
A new diptych ... 

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5252142455/in/photostream/lightbox/

My caption:

I'm always fascinated with the capture of motion in still photographs. I made 
the first exposure as I was pondering the balance of light and dark, hard and 
soft edges in the scene in front of me. Just after I'd made the exposure, the 
bicyclist entered the frame and I immediately made a second. Seeing just one 
didn't do anything for me, but when I framed them together a different 
statement emerged from the combination of images.

enjoy
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Re: Firmware 1.01

2010-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling

Your wife fits in the kitchen sink, she must be quite petite.

On 12/11/2010 8:44 AM, paul stenquist wrote:

On Dec 11, 2010, at 3:22 AM, David Mann wrote:


On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:26 AM, paul stenquist wrote:


Yes. I just tried it at Is)1600 while my wife was giving the dog a bath. I got 
about 15 frames continuous.

I guess that you've been married a while if you're taking photos of the dog 
getting a bath.

My impression was that the wife was in the bath too.

HAR! No, she washes him in the kitchen sink.
Paul

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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
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 Hi folks,

 Finally it looks like I'll have more time on my hands for a while.

 So what's been up lately?

Pentax has a FF camera, and some one wants AF-C lock up

Dave

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Re: PESO -- Trees and Stars

2010-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling

On 12/11/2010 11:03 AM, frank theriault wrote:

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:02 AM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com  wrote:

I'm not sure if this is a high concept of I;m just high on fatigue.

Terrific!

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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling

I though it was a fork, with that horned helmet and all...

On 12/11/2010 1:47 PM, Cotty wrote:

On 11/12/10, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:


Finally it looks like I'll have more time on my hands for a while.

So what's been up lately?

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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling

Glad to hear you're alive.

On 12/11/2010 1:41 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

Hi folks,

Finally it looks like I'll have more time on my hands for a while.

So what's been up lately?

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Re: OT: The time has come

2010-12-11 Thread eckinator
Have a good trip John!
Try to skip freedom and the Nobel peace prize when you chat with the
locals, use up your Kodachrome, eat local food and generally have a
good time
Ecke

2010/12/11 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
 Have a good trip John!  China isn't it?
 Be prepared to be an old man in a young society.
 Look for high-rise buildings being built with bamboo scaffolding!
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:32 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 ... almost.

 I'll be headed out soon, getting down to Raleigh so I'll be in place for my
 flight tomorrow morning. I'll be shutting down my computer just before I
 leave here.

 I decided not to take a laptop with me. I can scrounge time on some of my
 fellow travelers' laptops to transfer images from my camera cards to my
 portable hard drive. Don't know if I'll need to, I've got a bunch of cards -
 8 x 8GB, 8 x 4GB, and 8 x 2GB.

 I'm almost packed. I've double  triple checked everything.

 All I still have to do is stuff clean socks into various bags  pockets. And
 I have to pick up my shower shoes from the house in Raleigh. Got a to do
 list I've been checking items off to make sure I don't forget anything, and
 get shower shoes from home is all that's left on it.

 I'm down to the point that all I have left to do is tidy up my apartment a
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Re: Back in the fold

2010-12-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele

AlunFoto wrote:


Hi folks,

Finally it looks like I'll have more time on my hands for a while.

So what's been up lately?

Jostein

 


Boy are you asking for it! :-)

Welcome back super-shooter  


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Re: Firmware 1.01

2010-12-11 Thread paul stenquist

On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:12 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 Your wife fits in the kitchen sink, she must be quite petite.

She'll be pleased that you said so:-).  In truth, she doesn't fit in the 
kitchen sink any more. Although thirty-eight years ago when I remodeled the 
bathroom in our bungalow, my wife and I both showered in the kitchen sink. One 
at a time.  There was a window in the back door, which made it a bit dicey. I 
don't think my wife ever got caught, but I recall standing in the sink, doing 
my best to get to, well, everything, when I suddenly saw my sister-in-law's 
face in the window, with her jaw down to, well, there. A bit of an embarrassing 
moment, but early seventies social etiquette made that borderline acceptable 
behavior. 
Paul
 
 On 12/11/2010 8:44 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
 On Dec 11, 2010, at 3:22 AM, David Mann wrote:
 
 On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:26 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
 
 Yes. I just tried it at Is)1600 while my wife was giving the dog a bath. 
 I got about 15 frames continuous.
 I guess that you've been married a while if you're taking photos of the 
 dog getting a bath.
 My impression was that the wife was in the bath too.
 HAR! No, she washes him in the kitchen sink.
 Paul
 Cheers,
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Re: Geso Stouffville Santa Claus Parade

2010-12-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
Lots of photos and I'm beginning to recognize some folks now.
Maybe I can become an unofficial resident!
Memorable for me...
The guy on the high wheel bike - good composition on the move.
The team pulling the meat market's wagon looks classy.
The Pig on the flatbed.
The 18 wheeler cab with the softball cap on it.
Your daughter passing out candy on the parade route.
The gingerbread cookies made of gluten free flour.
The chicken hanging out in front of the Schnell Lumber company's float.
The Markham Fair folks.
And many others I forget.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:23 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2010-parade/album/index.html

 About 130 or so, if you feel like it.

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Re: PESO: Reflecting Baltimore -- New Version

2010-12-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dan,
I like the 2nd better and the background is fine, but I'm looking at
it a bit late.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks, Rick.

 I changed the background.  Please let me know if it is better.

 Dan
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 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 The new version is a big improvement.

 The background, though

 Rick

 http://photo.net/photos/RickW


 --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO: Reflecting Baltimore -- New Version
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 12:28 PM
 I played around some more with this
 image, and cropped and adjusted it
 a bit.  I put the new version on my blog, right below
 the original.  I
 would appreciate frank comments on which works best, and on
 the
 weaknesses of each.

 http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=20

 Thanks in advance for your help.

 As always, Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse are
 Welcome.

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Re: First photo at PPG

2010-12-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Ted,
The size of the displayed photo and the Rube-Goldberg nature of the
Pentax Gallery doesn't do justice to your fine photo.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10-12-09 8:06 PM, Theodore Beilby wrote:

 Still can't submit to the PUG for the rejected theme. One accepted and
 nine
 still waiting review.


 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#section=ARTISTsubSection=11214861subSubSection=1141language=EN


  From the trip with Walter to Steel Creek.

 Ted
  The eye of the viewer becomes the eye of the Photographer. Albert
 Maysle

 Great shot, Ted. The reflections are very strong with deep colour. Just
 curious: did you use a polarizer?

 I see that the PPG Flash code is just as ponderous and baroque as ever. I
 almost bailed before seeing your shot. But I'm glad I waited for the whole
 Rube-Goldbergian affair to finish. :-)

 -bmw

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Re: OT: The time has come

2010-12-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
local food - birds on a stick:-(

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:06 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 Have a good trip John!
 Try to skip freedom and the Nobel peace prize when you chat with the
 locals, use up your Kodachrome, eat local food and generally have a
 good time
 Ecke

 2010/12/11 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
 Have a good trip John!  China isn't it?
 Be prepared to be an old man in a young society.
 Look for high-rise buildings being built with bamboo scaffolding!
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 ... almost.

 I'll be headed out soon, getting down to Raleigh so I'll be in place for my
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 leave here.

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 fellow travelers' laptops to transfer images from my camera cards to my
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 8 x 8GB, 8 x 4GB, and 8 x 2GB.

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 All I still have to do is stuff clean socks into various bags  pockets. And
 I have to pick up my shower shoes from the house in Raleigh. Got a to do
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Re: OT: The time has come

2010-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:

local food - birds on a stick

Been to a Christmas party tonight - coulda done with a bit  a that!!!

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PESO: A common sight on my daily commute.

2010-12-11 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
I decided to take some time on the way home from work and take some 
photos.  Unfortunately, the sun was not in a good position for the shot 
I wanted.  This is the best I could do.


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/display/23229099

The funny thing is that once I was finished taking my photos the police 
pulled up and wanted to make sure I was all right since I had pulled off 
the main road.


So there was no hassle about taking photos, just concern for my well 
being - I guess this is what a community of 1000 people think about...


César
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Re: PESO: Reflecting Baltimore -- New Version

2010-12-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks.  I changed the background from light green to white, in
response to comments here.

Dan
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On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dan,
 I like the 2nd better and the background is fine, but I'm looking at
 it a bit late.
 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Thanks, Rick.

 I changed the background.  Please let me know if it is better.

 Dan
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 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 The new version is a big improvement.

 The background, though

 Rick

 http://photo.net/photos/RickW


 --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO: Reflecting Baltimore -- New Version
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 12:28 PM
 I played around some more with this
 image, and cropped and adjusted it
 a bit.  I put the new version on my blog, right below
 the original.  I
 would appreciate frank comments on which works best, and on
 the
 weaknesses of each.

 http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=20

 Thanks in advance for your help.

 As always, Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse are
 Welcome.

 Dan

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PESO: Snowbound

2010-12-11 Thread Charles Robinson
You can always tell the direction of the prevailing winds by which side of a 
car is completely covered in snow.

It's been snowy here in Minneapolis today.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP1459.jpg

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Re: PESO: Snowbound

2010-12-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Wow.  That really conveys the feeling of the place and the storm.

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On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 You can always tell the direction of the prevailing winds by which side of a 
 car is completely covered in snow.

 It's been snowy here in Minneapolis today.

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP1459.jpg

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Re: Which is the preferred battery charger

2010-12-11 Thread Eric Weir

On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

 On 11 December 2010 11:03, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 The charger that seems to work best with my AA hybrids is starting to get a 
 bit flaky.  There was a discussion a couple weeks back on the subject of 
 chargers and I thought i saved it, but can't find it.
 What is the battery charger that is so highly recommended?
 
 I think it was the LaCrosse BC-900.
 http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg372271.html

I bought the BC-700. Sophisticated testing capabilities. And modes to fully 
discharge a batter before recharging it and to refresh older batteries by 
running them through a large number of discharge/recharge cycles, as well as 
simple charge mode. 

Charges four batteries at a time -- AAA as well as AA -- and the charging mode 
can be set separately for each battery. Haven't had occasion to use em, but 
sounds like they're eager to help, too.

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Re: PESO: Snowbound

2010-12-11 Thread Charles Robinson
On Dec 11, 2010, at 21:31, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Wow.  That really conveys the feeling of the place and the storm.
 

I got there by snowshoe.  Fun!

K10D, DA*16-50, ISO 200, 5 seconds at f/9.0.

It was fun using a tripod in the 20-40mph winds.

At least it wasn't cold yet - still about 15F which makes it manageable!

 
 It's been snowy here in Minneapolis today.
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP1459.jpg
 
  -Charles



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Re: PESO: Snowbound

2010-12-11 Thread Eric Weir

On Dec 11, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

 It's been snowy here in Minneapolis today.
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP1459.jpg

I'd say. Originally from the Midwest. Don't know if I could handle it anymore. 
Thirty degrees seems cold now, and we've been getting 20's

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Re: PESO: Snowbound

2010-12-11 Thread Charles Robinson
On Dec 11, 2010, at 21:39, Eric Weir wrote:

 
 On Dec 11, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
 
 It's been snowy here in Minneapolis today.
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP1459.jpg
 
 I'd say. Originally from the Midwest. Don't know if I could handle it 
 anymore. Thirty degrees seems cold now, and we've been getting 20's
 

Sunday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around -14. Wind chill values between 
-23 and -33. Northwest wind between 10 and 14 mph. 

Monday: Mostly sunny and cold, with a high near 2. Wind chill values between 
-22 and -32. Northwest wind between 6 and 9 mph.

(This is in Fahrenheit, folks)

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Re: PESO - The Coffee Shop Portraits

2010-12-11 Thread Eric Weir

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:52 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 Coffee Shop Portraits:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072552size=lg
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12072551size=lg
 
 Both with K-5 and DA* 50-135, ISO 2000, f4.
 
 Shot the tiger fan with live view after he had caught me twice with the 
 camera raised.

I like em both. The intensity in both of them. The white space angling up from 
the bottom left of the Tiger fan detracts a little.

Question: Do you let people know you're gonna shoot em before you do? 

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