date:20130410


On 10/04/2013 1:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I don't point fingers at other states, let alone other nations.
Unfortunately, all humans are subject to corruption, and some will
steal as much as they can if there is no fear of prosecution.

If you believe that your country is free of corruption, or morally
superior to others, you are of course entitled to that opinion.
Is the bar set so high that perfection is demanded before comment can be 
made? If this is the case, we should both shut up, but you first, Canada 
ranks better than the USA on the corrupt government scale, and we have, 
by Canadian standards, an especially corrupt government at the moment.


If you think that corruption is the only problem with education, I
would respecfully disagree.


Corruption is the problem that feeds the other ones. Fix that one, the 
others will fix themselves.


bill

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Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)


On 10/04/2013 8:26 PM, Mark C wrote:


The interview also made me realize that a good bit of time has passed 
since Ricoh bought Pentax and we really haven't seen any changes yet - 
or much movement at all. The silence is deafening. The darkness is 
blinding. Let's hope they are doing something.


They might not be doing anything, but my pusher is selling Fuji X-Pro1s 
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and this year, I'll be doing it without Pentax.


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RE: OT but veering back towards photography (or not)

2013-04-10 Thread John Coyle

After all that effort, it's a shame the photos are  crap!  Colour values seem 
to be all over the
place, with a pronounced yellow cast on most.


John Coyle
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Looks like a waste of some nice gear

http://www.wired.com/rawfile/2013/04/johnny-tergo-drive-by-portraits/#slideid-19263

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Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line

2013-04-10 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Bob Sullivan :


With so many other pictures being presented here, the PUG has gotten lost.
This is a sad situation because the quality of the monthly offerings is
a cut above the everyday PESO's and GESO's.  I would hate to lose it.
Regards,  Bob S.




I know people look at the gallery when it's uploaded because I put a  
hit counter on the page last year and plotted the hits on a graph  
(well, everyone needs a hobby).  This showed a distinct spike in  
views on the day it is uploaded.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PUG-hits.JPG

(the reason for low hits in April is because I forgot to add the counter)

It would be nice if there were a few more comments on the submissions  
- even just mentioning a couple of favourites - but I guess the main  
thing is that people look at the gallery.



Cheers

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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

Yeah, the response has been pretty muted lately. But that in no way
diminishes my respect for the maintainer (thanks, Brian!) and the many
talented contributors.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:

I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list.

How times have changed...

Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to  
pick a favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in  
the snow would be the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about  
what it looks like.  ;-)


Great shot, Steve!

cheers,
frank

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G'day all

Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery.

I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in
a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks
In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice.

As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous  
Gallery there)


Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery, let me know.

+

Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'.  Pick a book title and
present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not!

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body
or lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to
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Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Sorenson

Thanks for those positive comments, Darren.  I had to go back about 7 
years in my archives to find it.  I had to do some errands that day and 
on a whim grabbed the camera to take with me.  Turned out to be 
serendipity...


-p

On 4/10/2013 8:27 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Thanks to those that mentioned mine. I'm partial to storms so I like
Matthew's also. Nice looking updraft base! The one that really took me
by surprise though was Paul Sorenson's "Cold Spring Rain". The through
the wet windshield gives it a real painterly feel. A good gallery all.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Excellent gallery. Really like Ken Waller's buds and Darren Addy's and Matthew 
Hunt's storms. Many other nice shots as well.

Paul
On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:


Yeah, the response has been pretty muted lately. But that in no way
diminishes my respect for the maintainer (thanks, Brian!) and the many
talented contributors.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:

I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list.

How times have changed...

Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick a favourite 
but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the snow would be the one. 
Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what it looks like.  ;-)

Great shot, Steve!

cheers,
frank

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Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13
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Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line

G'day all

Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery.

I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in
a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks
In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice.

As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there)

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery, let me know.

+

Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'.  Pick a book title and
present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not!

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body
or lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to
ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line.
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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

Daniel, all-public schooling is not reducing to LCD. It is if you don't 
invest and your state (as in country, not as one of 50 United State) 
does not fully backs the educational system by funds, equipment, etc. 
This is huge investment with very slow return - you'll see returns like 
I said - in order 20 years after you invested... Hence I don't see 
anyone who may be in position to initiate such a change/investment do 
so. Not in current political climate of modern western countries...


On 4/11/2013 7:16 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I don' understand your comment or how it relates to anything I said.
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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion)
dollars in educational system this year, they will see the outcome in, may
be like 20 years - 12 years of school, 3-4 years - first degree, 4-6 years -
second and/or third degree... So this kind of investment is extremely risky
by modern measure. Further, a politician (or a group of them) responsible
for this act are very unlikely to be mentioned in the Great Books of
History... So, instead they do cheap populism and "no child left behind"
stuff... The slippery slope will get progressively more slippery...

On 4/10/2013 8:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


" If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an
all-public model."

How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the
system "work"?>
Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:


On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:



This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals
and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and,
in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how
they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to
compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by
the government isn't going to happen. That's history.



Only if we want to continue with a failing school system.  If we want a
school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with,
of course, some caveats):


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/

You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and
charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take
the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental
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OT but veering back towards photography (or not)

2013-04-10 Thread Rob Studdert

Looks like a waste of some nice gear

http://www.wired.com/rawfile/2013/04/johnny-tergo-drive-by-portraits/#slideid-19263

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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested


On 4/10/2013 1:18 AM, Bob W wrote:

That's not god, that's Raoul

B


Whoa! You talk to the Great Capablanca... Next time you do - ask him 
what does he think about the quick chess invented by Mr. Kasparov...


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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested


On 4/11/2013 12:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The next year, I was in the class where all the Catholics and all the
Eastern Orthodox got out early every Tuesday for religious
instruction.  The one Jewish boy in the class and I did our homework
on Tuesday afternoons.


Well, I know that socialist/communist doctrine is not considered a 
religious one, but IMO it is. So while at school I had to attend a 
number of so called "meetings"... Especially towards the end of the 
school when I had to get to komsomol, because otherwise I couldn't be 
accepted in pretty much any university... But to cut the long story 
short - during these meetings me and some of my class mates played blind 
chess with great enjoyment of the process. You play without a board - 
totally in your mind's eye. Then either you loose by rules of the game 
or you make sufficiently many wrong moves to suggest that you don't hold 
the position in your head.


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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

I don' understand your comment or how it relates to anything I said.
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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion)
> dollars in educational system this year, they will see the outcome in, may
> be like 20 years - 12 years of school, 3-4 years - first degree, 4-6 years -
> second and/or third degree... So this kind of investment is extremely risky
> by modern measure. Further, a politician (or a group of them) responsible
> for this act are very unlikely to be mentioned in the Great Books of
> History... So, instead they do cheap populism and "no child left behind"
> stuff... The slippery slope will get progressively more slippery...
>
> On 4/10/2013 8:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> " If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an
>> all-public model."
>>
>> How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the
>> system "work"?>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:


 This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals
 and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and,
 in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how
 they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to
 compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by
 the government isn't going to happen. That's history.
>>>
>>>
>>> Only if we want to continue with a failing school system.  If we want a
>>> school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with,
>>> of course, some caveats):
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
>>>
>>> You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and
>>> charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take
>>> the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental
>>> disabilities).
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On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It didn't work.


It worked very well between approx 1950 and 1980 in Soviet Union.


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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion)
dollars in educational system this year, they will see the outcome in,
may be like 20 years - 12 years of school, 3-4 years - first degree, 4-6
years - second and/or third degree... So this kind of investment is
extremely risky by modern measure. Further, a politician (or a group of
them) responsible for this act are very unlikely to be mentioned in the
Great Books of History... So, instead they do cheap populism and "no
child left behind" stuff... The slippery slope will get progressively
more slippery...

On 4/10/2013 8:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

" If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an
all-public model."

How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the
system "work"?>
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:

This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals
and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and,
in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how
they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to
compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by
the government isn't going to happen. That's history.

Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a
school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with,
of course, some caveats):

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/

You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and
charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take
the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental
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On 4/10/2013 6:10 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a
school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with,
of course, some caveats):

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/

I opine that Finland schools are not that successful as this article
aims to present. Consider this page:

http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx

You will see that Finland scores between 57 and 72 in the last 3 years
is International Math Olympiad (IMO). Who scores first - China and Russia.

By the way Israel improved from 53rd place in 2010 through 23 to 31 in
2011 and 2012 respectively. I happen to know personally two very fine
gentlemen who helped make this happen (similarly in IPhO (physics) ).

Well, naturally, IMO is not the measure as the IMO itself is a very
special kind of sport. However, if with all that might Finnish system
cannot come up with the group of 6 really bright kids to solve these
math problems - then the system either doesn't want to do so or cannot
do so.

If they can't but want to - they might have some bugs in the system. If
they don't want (which is legit) it means that if next Newton or Leibniz
is born in Finland - we'll never know. That's a mighty shame.

Further, two very interesting quotes for you:

Quote #1:

"For Sahlberg what matters is that in Finland all teachers and
administrators are given prestige, decent pay, and a lot of
responsibility. A master's degree is required to enter the profession,
and teacher training programs are among the most selective professional
schools in the country. If a teacher is bad, it is the principal's
responsibility to notice and deal with it."

Quote #2 (just next paragraph really):

"And while Americans love to talk about competition, Sahlberg points out
that nothing makes Finns more uncomfortable. In his book Sahlberg quotes
a line from Finnish writer named Samuli Paronen: "Real winners do not
compete." "

Without being overly politically correct - tell me, Aahz - which one of
these two statements is total bullshit? Because they contradict one
another. It takes lots of effort to complete two university degrees,
then I suppose pass certain very serious tests, have a goal in front of
you being "given prestige, decent pay, and a lot of responsibility" and
then being totally not "about competition"...

It has nothing to do with being American or non-American. It is about
being human. Social life is mostly competition or may be I am missing
something very basic here.

Another interesting quote:

"In fact, since academic excellence wasn't a particular priority on the
Finnish to-do list, when Finland's students scored so high on the first
PISA survey in 2001, many Finns thought the results must be a mistake.
But subsequent PISA tests confirmed that Finland -- unlike, say, very
similar countries such as Norway -- was producing academic excellence
through its particular policy focus on equity."

This in fact may explain why Finland scores so low in IMO. They simply
don't hold things such IMO or IPhO (physics) to be of any importance.
But then don't tell me about academic excellence, thank you very much.

Now, you might notice something entirely different. Finland does show an
excellent example of very good (if not very excellent) educational
system that is totally under aegis of the state. State of Finland sees
it as its own goal, responsibility and area of vested interest to have
the educational system as per the state's own notions.

This by the way was the same education system I grew up with. It had its
flaws, but it wasn't half as bad as what I am seeing right now. And
believe me my teacher of Algebra, Geometry, Physics, Astronomy and
Informatics (all 5 being separate subjects during last two years in
school) was amazingly good. Notice - it wasn't public school without any
in-depth classes, etc. It was your regular average school. Further,
thanks to my Russian and Literature teacher I can still quote Pushkin
from memory. Thanks to my English teacher I am writing this message,
though of course I had to invest a lot of my time after I finished
school... I can probably continue this list as well...

Boris

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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread kwaller


Discussing our various
feelings about religion in public life is benign, and, I believe
helpful to understanding each others perspective


And belongs on another mailing list. Not one for photography!

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 

Subject: Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested



No one is trying to convert anyone else, Paul.  Discussing our various
feelings about religion in public life is benign, and, I believe
helpful to understanding each others perspective.

Dan
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:


I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are 
going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious 
discussions. That was good policy.


Paul



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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

Daniel, you and I may have a communication breakdown here. For even a 
split second did I _not_ talk about the education being compulsory or not.


If your system does not seriously challenge the slackers then you'll be 
having lots of trouble when they finish school.


On 4/10/2013 4:57 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

"what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn"

So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop
out, we will have a better school system?

Dan
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn




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Re: PESO - 36 years ago

2013-04-10 Thread Jack Davis

Nice scan of a well exposed shot.
I'm, also, impressed with your memory for 36 year old details.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist 
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Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:11 PM
Subject: PESO - 36 years ago

Thirty-six years ago I shot an article for a magazine called CARS. The article 
was about aftermarket supercharger kits. The fellow who was selling them was 
Gary Dyer. Those familiar with drag racing but recognize him as the driver of 
Mr. Norm's Super Charger, a groundbreaking car of the mid sixties to late 
seventies. I shot a few cars in a forest preserve parking lot, then with my 
Mamiya C2, an 80 mm lens, and a Honeywell 987 potato masher strobe mounted in a 
Sof'Shoulder umbrella, I shot some blower kits in Dyer's shop. I also grabbed a 
pic of his daughter, Kim, when she answered the phone. Scanned it today for 
her, and I kind of like it.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143732&size=lg
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Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)

2013-04-10 Thread Mark C


Thanks for posting, that Darren. My mis-interpretations of his comments -

1. On a Full Frame DSLR - Ok, I'm I'm gonna do this interview don't 
pester me with a bunch of questions about a FF DSLR that I am not 
allowed to answer. I'll give you a gratuitous remark on that subject 
that is intended to placate current Pentax owners, deflect the fact that 
a FF would be really popular, and hint at the good stuff that we will be 
doing in the near term with APS-C. Then you can go ahead with serious 
questions about my phone calls. Except those calls I make to Miss Cleo. 
We don't want to get too detailed about the future, here...


2.On  Ricoh's Ownership of Pentax: Ricoh is  a big mean and disciplined 
corporation and we make great stuff and we want to leverage the Pentax 
brand to be a major competitor. Yeah - nothing is apparent yet but we 
intend to be a player and when we are done your Pentax might not be like 
your father's Pentax...


3.On  Dealer relaitonships: Our research shows that Hoya screwed up 
relations with retail dealers.  Unfortunately, all corporate records 
prior to December, 2006, have been misplace. I think everything was OK 
before Hoya.  Well, at least that what we tell reporters. But we do want 
to hook users on Pentax early on and so we will be trying to sell more 
through retail brick and mortar stores, even Target.


4. On US Sales: Our brand has never really prospered here and that 
pisses us off and we want to solve that problem. I like a challenge.


5. On the Q: This is really our coolest and most innovative camera. It 
is meant to appeal to people who have never used anything but a cell 
phone to take photos. There is a huge market for it. I wish I could find 
someone who uses one to talk to, but so far, no luck. You know, this 
camera has in camera filters and cheap lenses so it is great for 
instagram, and that is sure to lure people away form their cell phones.  
I won't mention the really great 06 telephoto zoom that we just released 
because talking about a good lens might dull the low end chick of the Q. 
Is it lomography, a step up from cell phones, or just really colorful?


6. On Pentax users: We don't know what you want and I look at the stuff 
my staff is doing and vaguely hope that they know what tthey are doing. 
As their leader, I want to say that in a public interview, justt to 
build up morale. Oh yeah - Pentaxians are a really loyal - we don't 
fully understand why.  Our preliminary research indicates that they are 
just a highly irrational lot who like to fiddle with old lenses and 
spout off on old style listservs. That's a hard market segment to 
harness but that's why I am doing all these phone calls - we have a team 
of psychologists and anthropologists analyzing the tapes right now...


Having deciphered the interview my interpretation is that Ricoh is 
bottom line orientated and won't introduce a FF DSLR till the premium 
pricing of FF DSLR is gone. They rightly recognize that as long as FF 
bodies are premium items they cannot compete, at least until they 
rehabilitate the Pentax brand. They will kick out some more high quality 
APS DSLR's and build in that segment, hopefully back filling their lens 
lineup with more FF compatible offerings and generally rehabilitating 
their accessories so when FF bodies are released they will be adequately 
supported. . When FF DSLRs are more of a commodity item they will 
release one. They rightly realize that FF DSLR's are still a premium 
item, commanding a premium price, and as long as that is the case 
consumers will wnat to spend their money on a brand that is perceived to 
be a premium brand - and right now that is not Pentax. It might be a 
year or so before DSLR's are fully comodified.


The interview also made me realize that a good bit of time has passed 
since Ricoh bought Pentax and we really haven't seen any changes yet - 
or much movement at all. The silence is deafening. The darkness is 
blinding. Let's hope they are doing something.


Mark

On 4/10/2013 10:48 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that
this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder:
http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm
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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Well, the gong on the gong show went bong.   Actually, what I mean was 
> boing!
> 
> Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell  me, what is the first?

You mean, "Who's on first?"
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Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line

Thanks to those that mentioned mine. I'm partial to storms so I like
Matthew's also. Nice looking updraft base! The one that really took me
by surprise though was Paul Sorenson's "Cold Spring Rain". The through
the wet windshield gives it a real painterly feel. A good gallery all.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Excellent gallery. Really like Ken Waller's buds and Darren Addy's and 
> Matthew Hunt's storms. Many other nice shots as well.
>
> Paul
> On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the response has been pretty muted lately. But that in no way
>> diminishes my respect for the maintainer (thanks, Brian!) and the many
>> talented contributors.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>>  wrote:
>>> I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list.
>>>
>>> How times have changed...
>>>
>>> Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick a 
>>> favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the snow would 
>>> be the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what it looks like.  ;-)
>>>
>>> Great shot, Steve!
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> frank
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>
>>> From: Brian Walters 
>>> Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line
>>>
>>> G'day all
>>>
>>> Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery.
>>>
>>> I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in
>>> a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks
>>> In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice.
>>>
>>> As usual, you'll find the gallery here:
>>>
>>> http://pug.komkon.org/
>>>
>>> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there)
>>>
>>> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
>>> infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
>>> gallery, let me know.
>>>
>>> +
>>>
>>> Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'.  Pick a book title and
>>> present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not!
>>>
>>> Submit here:
>>>
>>> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>>>
>>> Submission Guidelines here:
>>>
>>> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>>>
>>> The main requirements are:
>>> * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
>>> * Max file size: 300k
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>>> or lens used is Pentax.
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>>> ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line.
>>> * Nominal closing date for submissions: 30 April.
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> ++
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PESO: Serious Warning

A sign on a hiking trail through the Ohe'o Gulch portion of Haleakala
National Park:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143042

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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested


On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:57:46AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at
 home. Children who come from families that put a high priority on
 education do well in school.  If kids see their parents reading in
 their free time, they will consider reading a viable leisure time
 activity. If they see their parents watching TV, getting drunk etc.
 that's what they will consider normal.
>>> 
>> 
>> Very true. But unfortunately many of today's parents won't provide that kind 
>> of home environment, and if we merely dismiss their children as uneducable 
>> we sustain that model. There are places where the schools have to take over 
>> and do a better job. Detroit, for example. 
> 
> Be careful what you say.  Aparantly some newscaster on MSNBC
> said something very similar and is being roundly denounced 
> by a wide swath of the population for expressing that view.
> 
I can say what I want about schools. I only have to be careful when talking 
about car companies:-).

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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:57:46AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> > On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >> Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at
> >> home. Children who come from families that put a high priority on
> >> education do well in school.  If kids see their parents reading in
> >> their free time, they will consider reading a viable leisure time
> >> activity. If they see their parents watching TV, getting drunk etc.
> >> that's what they will consider normal.
> > 
> 
> Very true. But unfortunately many of today's parents won't provide that kind 
> of home environment, and if we merely dismiss their children as uneducable we 
> sustain that model. There are places where the schools have to take over and 
> do a better job. Detroit, for example. 

Be careful what you say.  Aparantly some newscaster on MSNBC
said something very similar and is being roundly denounced 
by a wide swath of the population for expressing that view.

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Re: PESO - 36 years ago

Paul,
Kind of nice, very sharp, and Farrah Fawcett hair too!
I'll bet she loves it...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Thirty-six years ago I shot an article for a magazine called CARS. The 
> article was about aftermarket supercharger kits. The fellow who was selling 
> them was Gary Dyer. Those familiar with drag racing but recognize him as the 
> driver of Mr. Norm's Super Charger, a groundbreaking car of the mid sixties 
> to late seventies. I shot a few cars in a forest preserve parking lot, then 
> with my Mamiya C2, an 80 mm lens, and a Honeywell 987 potato masher strobe 
> mounted in a Sof'Shoulder umbrella, I shot some blower kits in Dyer's shop. I 
> also grabbed a pic of his daughter, Kim, when she answered the phone. Scanned 
> it today for her, and I kind of like it.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143732&size=lg
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Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line

Excellent gallery. Really like Ken Waller's buds and Darren Addy's and Matthew 
Hunt's storms. Many other nice shots as well.

Paul
On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Yeah, the response has been pretty muted lately. But that in no way
> diminishes my respect for the maintainer (thanks, Brian!) and the many
> talented contributors.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>> I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list.
>> 
>> How times have changed...
>> 
>> Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick a 
>> favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the snow would 
>> be the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what it looks like.  ;-)
>> 
>> Great shot, Steve!
>> 
>> cheers,
>> frank
>> 
>> --- Original Message ---
>> 
>> From: Brian Walters 
>> Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line
>> 
>> G'day all
>> 
>> Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery.
>> 
>> I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in
>> a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks
>> In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice.
>> 
>> As usual, you'll find the gallery here:
>> 
>> http://pug.komkon.org/
>> 
>> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there)
>> 
>> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
>> infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
>> gallery, let me know.
>> 
>> +
>> 
>> Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'.  Pick a book title and
>> present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not!
>> 
>> Submit here:
>> 
>> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>> 
>> Submission Guidelines here:
>> 
>> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>> 
>> The main requirements are:
>> * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
>> * Max file size: 300k
>> * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body
>> or lens used is Pentax.
>> * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to
>> ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line.
>> * Nominal closing date for submissions: 30 April.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> ++
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>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>> 
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Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line

With so many other pictures being presented here, the PUG has gotten lost.
This is a sad situation because the quality of the monthly offerings is
a cut above the everyday PESO's and GESO's.  I would hate to lose it.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Yeah, the response has been pretty muted lately. But that in no way
> diminishes my respect for the maintainer (thanks, Brian!) and the many
> talented contributors.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>> I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list.
>>
>> How times have changed...
>>
>> Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick a 
>> favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the snow would 
>> be the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what it looks like.  ;-)
>>
>> Great shot, Steve!
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>> From: Brian Walters 
>> Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line
>>
>> G'day all
>>
>> Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery.
>>
>> I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in
>> a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks
>> In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice.
>>
>> As usual, you'll find the gallery here:
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/
>>
>> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there)
>>
>> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
>> infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
>> gallery, let me know.
>>
>> +
>>
>> Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'.  Pick a book title and
>> present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not!
>>
>> Submit here:
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>>
>> Submission Guidelines here:
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>>
>> The main requirements are:
>> * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
>> * Max file size: 300k
>> * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body
>> or lens used is Pentax.
>> * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to
>> ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line.
>> * Nominal closing date for submissions: 30 April.
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
>> Brian Walters
>> Western Sydney Australia
>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>
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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 08:03:19PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
> Well, the gong on the gong show went bong.   Actually, what I mean was 
> boing!
> 
> Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell  me, what is the first?

I dunno. I forgot years ago.

> 
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
> 
> In a message dated  4/10/2013 3:19:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> l...@red4est.com writes:
> On Wed,  Apr 10, 2013 at 06:09:43PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
> > Bong as in  the bong show, duh.
> 
> Do you mean the Gong show?
> 
> They say that as  you age, the memory is the second thing to go.  
> 
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PESO - 36 years ago

Thirty-six years ago I shot an article for a magazine called CARS. The article 
was about aftermarket supercharger kits. The fellow who was selling them was 
Gary Dyer. Those familiar with drag racing but recognize him as the driver of 
Mr. Norm's Super Charger, a groundbreaking car of the mid sixties to late 
seventies. I shot a few cars in a forest preserve parking lot, then with my 
Mamiya C2, an 80 mm lens, and a Honeywell 987 potato masher strobe mounted in a 
Sof'Shoulder umbrella, I shot some blower kits in Dyer's shop. I also grabbed a 
pic of his daughter, Kim, when she answered the phone. Scanned it today for 
her, and I kind of like it.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143732&size=lg
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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Eactivist

Well, the gong on the gong show went bong.   Actually, what I mean was 
boing!

Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell  me, what is the first?

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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On Wed,  Apr 10, 2013 at 06:09:43PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
> Bong as in  the bong show, duh.

Do you mean the Gong show?

They say that as  you age, the memory is the second thing to go.  


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Brought a film body after all

2013-04-10 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.

Sorry about the hit-and-run question a while back -- thngs got really
hectic and stayed that way.  I'm in Cyprus now (minus my phone and
wallet, alas).  I decided to bing the K2 after all.  Why?  Well, 
because I found some unused Kodak HIE in my freezer!  Of all the
places I'm likely to actually get to in the nex few years, can I
come up with a better place to use it than the Mediterranean?

I also brought the Holga.  It weighs nothing.  And I have some Velvia
for it.

(The smallest part of the hectic-ness -- hecticity? -- was a major
performance three days before leaving.  Funny timing:  the band's
next gig is three days after I go home.)

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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com

I don't dislike theists at all. I disagree with them on an issue that is of far 
more importance to them than it is to me.

What I do take issue with is people trying (quite wrongly) to tell me what I 
~do~ believe:

"Atheism is a religion just like any other."

No, actually it's not.

"You really do believe in god, you are simply in denial." 

Sorry, I do not, as much as you may want me to.

"You are an atheist because you're angry with god."

No, I can't be angry at something I do no believe in.

"Lack of belief is the same as belief, it is a type of faith."

As Bob W. quite capably explained lack of belief is the opposite of belief.

And so on.

But as for theists themselves, I don't dislike them at all...

Cheers,
frank


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Yes, because that works both ways. Both sides do some stomping, and each 
dislikes the other. 
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Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line

2013-04-10 Thread Bruce Walker

Yeah, the response has been pretty muted lately. But that in no way
diminishes my respect for the maintainer (thanks, Brian!) and the many
talented contributors.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list.
>
> How times have changed...
>
> Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick a 
> favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the snow would be 
> the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what it looks like.  ;-)
>
> Great shot, Steve!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Brian Walters 
> Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line
>
> G'day all
>
> Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery.
>
> I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in
> a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks
> In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice.
>
> As usual, you'll find the gallery here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/
>
> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there)
>
> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
> infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
> gallery, let me know.
>
> +
>
> Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'.  Pick a book title and
> present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not!
>
> Submit here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>
> Submission Guidelines here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>
> The main requirements are:
> * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
> * Max file size: 300k
> * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body
> or lens used is Pentax.
> * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to
> ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line.
> * Nominal closing date for submissions: 30 April.
>
>
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>
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>
> ++
> Brian Walters
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RE: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line

2013-04-10 Thread Steve Sharpe


Thanks for everyone's favourable comments!

I used to live in Waterloo when I was a student...or the 'Loo, as we 
called it... ;-)


(For the uninitiated, Kitchener-Waterloo - or KY as some of my 
friends used to refer to the place - are two cities kind of stuck 
together.)



At 10:35 PM + 4/10/13, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list.

How times have changed...

Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick 
a favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the 
snow would be the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what 
it looks like.  ;-)


Great shot, Steve!

cheers,
frank

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From: Brian Walters 
Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line

G'day all

Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery.

I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in 
a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks

In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice.



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Re: OT - can someone photoshop the sun between my fingers?

A hoot. Makes one want to have a go at it. 

Paul
On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> I think some very noble attempts ...
> 
> http://loljam.com/post/4157/
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OT - can someone photoshop the sun between my fingers?

2013-04-10 Thread Bruce Walker

I think some very noble attempts ...

http://loljam.com/post/4157/

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RE: PESO: Used Car Salesman

2013-04-10 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com

"What do you mean you don't want rustproofing??"

;-)

Fun shot, Dan.

cheers,
frank

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Subject: PESO: Used Car Salesman

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143036

I felt a bit intimidated.

Comments are invited.

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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:09:43PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
> Bong as in the bong show, duh.

Do you mean the Gong show?

They say that as you age, the memory is the second thing to go.


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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Eactivist

Bong as in the bong show, duh.

I am  perfectly willing to drop it like Paul did, but you brought it up 
again.  

Paul said something, I said some people believe in no gods, Paul  
essentially said that even atheists and secularists have their "gods"  
(substitute 
gods). I challenged that statement.

Conversely I didn't say a  thing against believers, Christians, Muslims, or 
what not. I really don't care  what others believe, but I do get a bit 
ticked when someone tries to tell me  what I believe.

HTH, Have a Nice Day! Marnie 

In a message dated  4/10/2013 3:05:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
l...@red4est.com writes:
Bong  didn't write the post that you're replying to, Paul did.  


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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 05:46:21PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
> Bong!

Bong didn't write the post that you're replying to, Paul did.

By the way, someone made a mistaken conflation between atheist (meaning 
no-gods) and
agnostic (meaning no-knowledge). 


> 
> The below implies that atheists  ("they") are a group that meets and gets 
> together and makes joint decisions. I  suppose there is an atheist society 
> somewhere, but very few atheists belong to  it.
> 
> It also implies that secularists ("they") are such a group as well.  You 
> night relook up the definition for secular.
> 
> It's like that ubiquitous  "they" used in bad reporting. 
> 
> HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-)
> 
> In a  message dated 4/10/2013 1:35:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
> pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes:
> >> A simplistic reading of the  situation. Of course atheism and
> >> secularism are different. I'm not  confusing them, but atheists are
> >> generally secularists.  Many  atheists and the secularists, which are
> >> indeed different, have in  their fervor developed belief systems and
> >> become angry when others  express religious beliefs. They have made
> >> their belief system a  rallying point and effectively a substitute for
> >> religion.  
> 
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RE: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm, (4/4)

2013-04-10 Thread Chris Brogden

> > Since then he's occasionally taken some Pentax stuff in trade that I've
subsequently purchased (that's how I got my K20D) and he's still got a few
old accessories he hasn't consigned to eBay. But he no longer sells Pentax,
because Pentax won't sell to him.

> Same story I got from my dealer in Kansas City. He was allowed to sell
Pentax only if he had one or two each of everything Pentax made. 

> stan

Luckily they really only make 2 DSLRs.  :)

It sounds like Pentax Canada has been more open with retailers in the Great
White North.  With 8 stores we're not a small chain, but even when we had a
lot fewer stores, Pentax has always been good to us.  And we're just a
family-owned independent in Western Canada, not a national or international
chain.

Chris B.


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Re: PESO: Used Car Salesman

2013-04-10 Thread Jack Davis

If I'm not mistaken, I ran into this guy a few times.
 
Jack 


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Subject: PESO: Used Car Salesman

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143036

I felt a bit intimidated.

Comments are invited.

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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Eactivist

Bong!

The below implies that atheists  ("they") are a group that meets and gets 
together and makes joint decisions. I  suppose there is an atheist society 
somewhere, but very few atheists belong to  it.

It also implies that secularists ("they") are such a group as well.  You 
night relook up the definition for secular.

It's like that ubiquitous  "they" used in bad reporting. 

HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a  message dated 4/10/2013 1:35:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes:
>> A simplistic reading of the  situation. Of course atheism and
>> secularism are different. I'm not  confusing them, but atheists are
>> generally secularists.  Many  atheists and the secularists, which are
>> indeed different, have in  their fervor developed belief systems and
>> become angry when others  express religious beliefs. They have made
>> their belief system a  rallying point and effectively a substitute for
>> religion.  

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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

No one is trying to convert anyone else, Paul.  Discussing our various
feelings about religion in public life is benign, and, I believe
helpful to understanding each others perspective.

Dan
Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
> I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are 
> going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious 
> discussions. That was good policy.
>
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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

I think I can top that, Larry.  I went to elementary school when they
stiill said the Lord's Prayer every day.  The town was mostly
Catholic, an I was one of the few who said the protestant ending.
Based on the teachings of my conservative Lutheran Church, I should
have refused to say it at all.   I had a choice:  sit down and shut
up, and have everyone glare at me, conform to the majority, or finish
the ending by myself (the only other Protestant was an African
American Baptist, who was afraid to say anything), and have them look
at me like a heretic.

The next year, I was in the class where all the Catholics and all the
Eastern Orthodox got out early every Tuesday for religious
instruction.  The one Jewish boy in the class and I did our homework
on Tuesday afternoons.

In my Rotary Club, we have a prayer before breakfast every week.  We
have a Buddhist, two Muslims, a Hindu, several Christians and Jews. at
least two atheists, and a Reformed minister.  The prayer is a plea for
peace and aid in our effort for service.  We manage to keep it to
something that does not cause anyone discomfort.

Last Saturday, I attended an diversity coalition dinner during which
prayers were say -- and explained -- by 7 different faiths.  It was
quite enlightening.

Dan
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:43:48PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> "Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you
>> when, where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to?"
>>
>> I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told
>> me when, where, why and how to pray, or to whom to pray."
>
> I grew up as one of very few jews in the schools that I went to.
>
> I always felt uncomfortable around Christmas because one of the class 
> activities
> was singing Christmas carols. Christmas carols are, in effect, prayers,
> at the very least statements of belief in Christ as the son of God.
>
> At 52, I am perhaps a little more flexible in my beliefs, but back in
> grade school, it sure felt like I was being coerced into praying to
> gods that I didn't believe in.
>
> Granted, if you're a Christian, Christmas singing carols might not seem like
> praying to you. But how would you have felt if everyone else in your class was
> participating in Muslim or Hindu rituals?
>
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PESO: Used Car Salesman

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143036

I felt a bit intimidated.

Comments are invited.

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Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace

2013-04-10 Thread Zos Xavius

First of all thanks  for  the nice comments.  I do tend to  mix b&w with color  
a  lot.  No  rhyme or  reason  as to  what I  pick for what.  Its  usually 
whatever  I  feel looks  better,  though  I  do  get  on  all  black  and  
white  kicks  sometimes.  Yeah the  furnace  was built  in 1906 and  operated  
starting in  1907  and ran  until  the  80s.  The secondary  structures may  be 
newer,  but  I  rather  doubt  it.  There  were 7  furnaces  here  at  once 
point, but  only 2 remain, #6  and #7.  This  was also  just  an  auxilliary  
to  the larger  homestead works  across  the  river.  That  was  the  site of 
the  homestead  strike.  These  pictures  dont do  justice to  how massive  
these mills  once  were.  Pittsburgh was once described as  "hell  with  the 
lid open" and older  pictures  from  previous  to  WWII  (before pollution  
controls) certainly attest to  that.  Carrie  furnace has a  wikipedia  page 
for  those that are  interested.  Also my  friend robert ruschak was 
one  of  the  premier  mill  photographers  from when  they  were  operating. 
His work  is  amazing! Google him, his  website  is  worth several  visits.

fotor...@gmx.de wrote:

>Zos Xavius  wrote:
>
>> Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that
>> they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and
>> gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. 
>
>Wonderful work but are you sure the furnace is that old? Looks more
>like
>1930's to me. 
>
>Anyway, great stuff. Pity it's so far away from here...
>
>Ralf

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Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm, (4/4)

2013-04-10 Thread Stan Halpin


On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:47 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Darren Addy
>> I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that
>> this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder:
>> http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm
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>> Peter Galassi
> 
> Not much good news there from my point of view. "Pentaxians" say they don't 
> want/need full frame.
> 
> Plus a bunch of excuses why you can't find a retail store that carries Pentax 
> cameras.
> Which excuses, BTW, don't square with what the guys who own the local camera 
> stores told me.
> 
> They weren't offended by being put through to distribution. Pentax just 
> wouldn't accept their orders; not through the salesmen, not through 
> distribution.
> 
> When I wanted to buy a K10D, the local dealer told me Pentax wouldn't accept 
> his order. That was a FIRM order with a cash deposit from the customer.
> 
> The local dealer finally filled my order by ordering from B&H. I don't know 
> if he made any money on the sale or not, because his price was damn close to 
> B&H's price.
> 
> And, at that time, Pentax's web-site was still showing him as a Pentax dealer.
> 
> Since then he's occasionally taken some Pentax stuff in trade that I've 
> subsequently purchased (that's how I got my K20D) and he's still got a few 
> old accessories he hasn't consigned to eBay. But he no longer sells Pentax, 
> because Pentax won't sell to him.

Same story I got from my dealer in Kansas City. He was allowed to sell Pentax 
only if he had one or two each of everything Pentax made. 

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On Apr 10, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 04:34:32PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are 
>> going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious 
>> discussions. That was good policy. 
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> Question: does discussing full-frame fall under religious discussion?

Of course. It's all about fervor.

> 
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 04:34:32PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are 
> going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious 
> discussions. That was good policy. 

Agreed.

Question: does discussing full-frame fall under religious discussion?


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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread John Francis

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:55:13PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> I grew up as one of very few jews in the schools that I went to.
> 
> I always felt uncomfortable around Christmas because one of the class 
> activities
> was singing Christmas carols. Christmas carols are, in effect, prayers,
> at the very least statements of belief in Christ as the son of God.

I can assure you that this kind of discomfort is by no means limited to 
religion.

Try not singing along with the national anthem at a sporting event,
or not joining in the pledge of allegiance (with or without 'under
god') at an event where it is commonly recited.

You get everything from funny looks to downright abuse.
I used to have fun explaining, at Girl Scout camp, just
why I was standing there quietly, without my hand on my
heart - that's not _my_ national anthem, not _my_ flag.

Mind you, I was always amused by the fact that in the UK
(where there is an established religion) there was far more
separation of church and state than in a country that, in
theory, has that separation enshrined in the constitution.

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I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are going 
to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious discussions. That 
was good policy. 

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On Apr 10, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>> A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and
>> secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are
>> generally secularists.  Many atheists and the secularists, which are
>> indeed different, have in their fervor developed belief systems and
>> become angry when others express religious beliefs. They have made
>> their belief system a rallying point and effectively a substitute for
>> religion.
> 
> In other words, wanting to avoid getting one's toes stomped on is the
> same thing as wanting to stomp on other people's toes.  Got it.

Yes, because that works both ways. Both sides do some stomping, and each 
dislikes the other. 
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On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:43:48PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> "Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you
>> when, where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to?"
>> 
>> I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told
>> me when, where, why and how to pray, or to whom to pray."
> 
> I grew up as one of very few jews in the schools that I went to.
> 
> I always felt uncomfortable around Christmas because one of the class 
> activities
> was singing Christmas carols. Christmas carols are, in effect, prayers,
> at the very least statements of belief in Christ as the son of God.
> 
> At 52, I am perhaps a little more flexible in my beliefs, but back in 
> grade school, it sure felt like I was being coerced into praying to
> gods that I didn't believe in.
> 
> Granted, if you're a Christian, Christmas singing carols might not seem like
> praying to you. But how would you have felt if everyone else in your class was
> participating in Muslim or Hindu rituals?
> 

I agree that as a nation we have been insensitive to the beliefs of others, and 
in some places we still are. At Grace's school they sing Christmas carols and 
Hannukah songs. And they observe Muslim holidays as well. They have a Christmas 
tree and a Menorah during the winter season.  Or should I say a holiday tree 
and  holiday candle holder:-).

Seriously, kids like holidays, and most of them seem to enjoy every bit of it. 
Discussions of minority beliefs accompany the festivities. Grace's mother 
hasn't given her any religious instruction or experience. That's fine with me, 
and she seems quite content. But she did once make a crèche at Christmas. I 
think she just liked playing with the figures. And she made a menorah at 
school. Why not.

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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
> A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and
> secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are
> generally secularists.  Many atheists and the secularists, which are
> indeed different, have in their fervor developed belief systems and
> become angry when others express religious beliefs. They have made
> their belief system a rallying point and effectively a substitute for
> religion.

In other words, wanting to avoid getting one's toes stomped on is the
same thing as wanting to stomp on other people's toes.  Got it.
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On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Bob W  wrote:

> On 10 Apr 2013, at 16:16, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> There are a lot of people who believe in no  gods.
> 
> But those too have created gods in their own image, just as people
> have done since the beginning of time.  Witness the Christmas displays
> in Santa Monica stage by the atheists. They outdid all the religious
> groups. They worship at the shrine of secularism. We all have our
> gods.
 
 Category error, you are warping other people's beliefs to suit your own.
 
  "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,
  "it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less."
>>> 
>>> Not my beliefs. I'm agnostic. But mankind has always found something
>>> to believe in, and a new system of beliefs always involves rejection
>>> of the old. Today's secularists are to christians what the christians
>>> and jews were to sun worshipers thousands of years ago.
>> 
>> You are mixing up beliefs, gods, and worship.  You are making as much
>> sense as Humpty Dumpty.  
>> 
> and confusing atheism and secularism. Secularism does not imply atheism. 
> Secularism is about the distinction between religion and, essentially, state; 
> so the notion of a 'shrine of secularism' is a contradiction in terms. You 
> could be the most God-fearing Christian this side of Eden and still be a 
> secularist, and still have secular, that is non-church, matters to deal with, 
> and secularist ideas. Or, you could take the view that all of life should be 
> subject to religious law, and be wholly opposed to all forms of secularism.
> 
> Atheism is an absence of a particular belief, it is not a belief in itself. 
> Atheists, like all people, obviously have beliefs, but there is not a body of 
> interlocking ideas that one could call atheism, or practices that atheists 
> undertake as a function of their atheism, and even if there were it could not 
> be called a religion since the defining property of a religion is that it 
> believes in the existence of at least one god, and the defining property of 
> atheism is that it rejects all belief in gods.
> 
> Now, some atheists may have big christmas displays, but that does not mean 
> that that is some necessary part of atheism. Christmas is now far more of a 
> cultural festival than a religious one  - probably always has been, given 
> that the Puritans banned it. Similarly, many atheists have ceremonies and 
> take part in ritual practices such as weddings and baby-namings that parallel 
> those of Christians and other religious people, but that's not because they 
> want a substitute religion, it's because people everywhere feel a need for 
> rites of passage, and that need has historically been co-opted by religion.

A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and secularism are 
different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are generally secularists.  
Many atheists and the secularists, which are indeed different, have in their 
fervor developed belief systems and become angry when others express religious 
beliefs. They have made their belief system a rallying point and effectively a 
substitute for religion.

Paul
> 
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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:43:48PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> "Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you
> when, where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to?"
> 
> I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told
> me when, where, why and how to pray, or to whom to pray."

I grew up as one of very few jews in the schools that I went to.

I always felt uncomfortable around Christmas because one of the class activities
was singing Christmas carols. Christmas carols are, in effect, prayers,
at the very least statements of belief in Christ as the son of God.

At 52, I am perhaps a little more flexible in my beliefs, but back in 
grade school, it sure felt like I was being coerced into praying to
gods that I didn't believe in.

Granted, if you're a Christian, Christmas singing carols might not seem like
praying to you. But how would you have felt if everyone else in your class was
participating in Muslim or Hindu rituals?

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I don't point fingers at other states, let alone other nations.
Unfortunately, all humans are subject to corruption, and some will
steal as much as they can if there is no fear of prosecution.

If you believe that your country is free of corruption, or morally
superior to others, you are of course entitled to that opinion.

If you think that corruption is the only problem with education, I
would respecfully disagree.

Dan
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 10/04/2013 11:04 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> "You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of
>> teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the
>> profession who are passionate about teaching."
>>
>> Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system:  make the
>> job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of measuring
>> performance.  I am not convinced that is the was to attract people who
>> are passionate about teaching;  it is more likely to attract those
>> looking for any easy and secure position.
>
> It makes the job easier in that it is easier to deal with students who want
> to learn, and easier to deal with classrooms that are not war zones. You are
> reading things into my post that were not written into my post. Your country
> has a problem with governmental corruption at every level. Deal with that,
> and you will find most of the other problems go away.
>
> bill
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"Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you
when, where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to?"

I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told
me when, where, why and how to pray, or to whom to pray."

Dan
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:11 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when,
> where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to?
>
>
> From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
>>
>> Including "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is hardly "worship."
>>  It is mostly a recognition that Americans "are endowed by their
>> Creator with certain unalienable Rights" that can not be taken away by
>> the government.
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:53 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't believe in the concept of worship.
>>>
>>> Methinks your  perspective is skewed by your own lens.
>>>
>>> Marnie aka Doe :-)
>>>
>>> In  a message dated 4/9/2013 5:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>> Methinks they doth protest too much
>>>
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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Bob W

On 10 Apr 2013, at 16:16, Aahz Maruch  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> There are a lot of people who believe in no  gods.

 But those too have created gods in their own image, just as people
 have done since the beginning of time.  Witness the Christmas displays
 in Santa Monica stage by the atheists. They outdid all the religious
 groups. They worship at the shrine of secularism. We all have our
 gods.
>>> 
>>> Category error, you are warping other people's beliefs to suit your own.
>>> 
>>>   "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,
>>>   "it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less."
>> 
>> Not my beliefs. I'm agnostic. But mankind has always found something
>> to believe in, and a new system of beliefs always involves rejection
>> of the old. Today's secularists are to christians what the christians
>> and jews were to sun worshipers thousands of years ago.
> 
> You are mixing up beliefs, gods, and worship.  You are making as much
> sense as Humpty Dumpty.  
> 
and confusing atheism and secularism. Secularism does not imply atheism. 
Secularism is about the distinction between religion and, essentially, state; 
so the notion of a 'shrine of secularism' is a contradiction in terms. You 
could be the most God-fearing Christian this side of Eden and still be a 
secularist, and still have secular, that is non-church, matters to deal with, 
and secularist ideas. Or, you could take the view that all of life should be 
subject to religious law, and be wholly opposed to all forms of secularism.

Atheism is an absence of a particular belief, it is not a belief in itself. 
Atheists, like all people, obviously have beliefs, but there is not a body of 
interlocking ideas that one could call atheism, or practices that atheists 
undertake as a function of their atheism, and even if there were it could not 
be called a religion since the defining property of a religion is that it 
believes in the existence of at least one god, and the defining property of 
atheism is that it rejects all belief in gods.

Now, some atheists may have big christmas displays, but that does not mean that 
that is some necessary part of atheism. Christmas is now far more of a cultural 
festival than a religious one  - probably always has been, given that the 
Puritans banned it. Similarly, many atheists have ceremonies and take part in 
ritual practices such as weddings and baby-namings that parallel those of 
Christians and other religious people, but that's not because they want a 
substitute religion, it's because people everywhere feel a need for rites of 
passage, and that need has historically been co-opted by religion.

B
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Aahz:
>>
>> If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an
>> all-public model.
> 
> How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the
> system "work"?

Repeat:

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Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)

On 10/04/2013 1:01 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>
>
> Bob,
> Unless you are a purely prime lens guy, there are really good options
> at the wide end. I really like the Sigma EX 10-20mm f4-5.6 which gives
> you a 15mm equiv.

10mm is getting pretty wide, but a real camera company doesn't depend on 
a third rate manufacturer to supply it's customers' needs. A 10-20 that 
was made by Pentax would be something else.

 FOV at the wide end (the widest K prime focal length
> that Pentax ever made, unless I'm mistaken). They make a f3.5 version
> also. Pentax themselves makes the DA 12-24mm which people seem to like
> (for a lot more moola than the Sigma).

The 12-24 is a nice lens, although it is rather a horse. There is also a 
significant difference between it's field of view at the widest and a 10mm.

bill

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Not Canon. Never Canon (thanks to Anika1980).

But, the clock is ticking and Nikon is looking a lot more attractive.

From: Bob Sullivan

Sad to read the position on full frame for Pentax.
Without the hope of it, I might as well switch to Canon.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:

I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that
this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder:
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Bob,
Unless you are a purely prime lens guy, there are really good options
at the wide end. I really like the Sigma EX 10-20mm f4-5.6 which gives
you a 15mm equiv. FOV at the wide end (the widest K prime focal length
that Pentax ever made, unless I'm mistaken). They make a f3.5 version
also. Pentax themselves makes the DA 12-24mm which people seem to like
(for a lot more moola than the Sigma).



On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Stan,
>
> I spent my share of time behind the glass in focus groups and
> as part of Marketing at MickeyD's.  It sounded like a 'kiss-off' to me.
>
> I am happy with the K-5 and K-5IIs, but still miss my wide angles.
> And I'd like a long autofocus telephoto for less than $5K.
> And how about a AF2X and AF1.4X for my older glass.
>
> Please hurry with those Santa...
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stan Halpin
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> Sad to read the position on full frame for Pentax.
>>> Without the hope of it, I might as well switch to Canon.
>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
 I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that
 this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder:
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>>
>> Thanks for the link Darren. Bob, I will be optimistic in my interpretation 
>> of Malcom's comments. You could say that he will recommend de-emphasizing FF 
>> because some current users are happy with the current APS-C and don't see a 
>> reason to switch. Or, you could say that he will take this feedback as an 
>> indication that a) current users are pleased with the IQ etc. that they are 
>> getting, b) current users may not be the target audience for a Pentax FF, 
>> and therefore c) marketing of the soon-to-be-delivered FF should target 
>> brand-switchers rather than current users. Which only makes sense anyway 
>> because there is a far greater population of people using other brands than 
>> there is using Pentax. They can count on some loyalists to buy a FF, but the 
>> volume of sales will be to Sony, Nikon, and Canon users. Which by the way 
>> implies that the FF will need to come with at least 2-3 top quality lenses 
>> from the beginning; they won't be able to rely on people like us who have 
>> lenses on the shelf waiting for a body with which to use them.
>>
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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

Unfortunately, the "philosophy of the current system" is to test all the 
kids in all the schools. Take money away from the schools where the kids 
test scores are below average and give it to the schools were the 
students already have test scores above average.


Test 'em all again next year to see which schools have "improved". 
Again, take money away from the schools where the improvement in test 
scores is below average and give the money to the schools where the 
improvement in test scores is been above average.


Repeat the cycle until only schools where student test scores are above 
average are left.



From: "Daniel J. Matyola"

"You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of
teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the
profession who are passionate about teaching."

Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system:  make the
job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of measuring
performance.  I am not convinced that is the was to attract people who
are passionate about teaching;  it is more likely to attract those
looking for any easy and secure position.


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RE: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm, (4/4)


From: Darren Addy

I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that
this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder:
http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm
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Not much good news there from my point of view. "Pentaxians" say they 
don't want/need full frame.


Plus a bunch of excuses why you can't find a retail store that carries 
Pentax cameras.
Which excuses, BTW, don't square with what the guys who own the local 
camera stores told me.


They weren't offended by being put through to distribution. Pentax just 
wouldn't accept their orders; not through the salesmen, not through 
distribution.


When I wanted to buy a K10D, the local dealer told me Pentax wouldn't 
accept his order. That was a FIRM order with a cash deposit from the 
customer.


The local dealer finally filled my order by ordering from B&H. I don't 
know if he made any money on the sale or not, because his price was damn 
close to B&H's price.


And, at that time, Pentax's web-site was still showing him as a Pentax 
dealer.


Since then he's occasionally taken some Pentax stuff in trade that I've 
subsequently purchased (that's how I got my K20D) and he's still got a 
few old accessories he hasn't consigned to eBay. But he no longer sells 
Pentax, because Pentax won't sell to him.




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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested


On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>> This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals
>> and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and,
>> in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how
>> they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to
>> compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by
>> the government isn't going to happen. That's history.
> 
> Only if we want to continue with a failing school system.  If we want a
> school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with,
> of course, some caveats):
> 
We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It didn't work. 

> http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
> 
> 
> You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and
> charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take
> the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental
> disabilities).

Most charters that accept federal or state vouchers have to take all students, 
and they still succeed better than the public schools that are shackled by 
unions and mired in bureaucracy.

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K30 thoughts ... and ...

2013-04-10 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Moving from the K-r to the K30 has been interesting.

1) The in-hand feel is, to me, no big deal.  But they are quite different in
fit.

2) The white balance is slightly different between the two.  Our FL lights
are two different makes so the lamps, though they have the same K rating,
have a slightly different tone.  (The original set has about a year life on
it, so it might be age affecting that as well.)  Add to that the camera
differences and we're resetting the WB on each when moving between the two
sites.  Understatement alert:  This is one area where I greatly appreciate
digital over film.

3) The K30's response to the remote control is quite slow.  A lot slower
than the K-r.

Still, it performs well and in a harsh environment the sealing should extend
its life.

On a personal note ... my K-x has sold and I'm getting the K5 tomorrow.
For $800 it's coming with the F50/1.7 and Sigma 70-300 DG lens.
The 50/1.7 will be for sale right away.  The Stigma -- I'll have to check it
out first and see how it performs.


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Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)

Stan,

I spent my share of time behind the glass in focus groups and
as part of Marketing at MickeyD's.  It sounded like a 'kiss-off' to me.

I am happy with the K-5 and K-5IIs, but still miss my wide angles.
And I'd like a long autofocus telephoto for less than $5K.
And how about a AF2X and AF1.4X for my older glass.

Please hurry with those Santa...

Regards,  Bob S.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
>
> On Apr 10, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Sad to read the position on full frame for Pentax.
>> Without the hope of it, I might as well switch to Canon.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>> I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that
>>> this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder:
>>> http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm
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>>> Peter Galassi
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>
> Thanks for the link Darren. Bob, I will be optimistic in my interpretation of 
> Malcom's comments. You could say that he will recommend de-emphasizing FF 
> because some current users are happy with the current APS-C and don't see a 
> reason to switch. Or, you could say that he will take this feedback as an 
> indication that a) current users are pleased with the IQ etc. that they are 
> getting, b) current users may not be the target audience for a Pentax FF, and 
> therefore c) marketing of the soon-to-be-delivered FF should target 
> brand-switchers rather than current users. Which only makes sense anyway 
> because there is a far greater population of people using other brands than 
> there is using Pentax. They can count on some loyalists to buy a FF, but the 
> volume of sales will be to Sony, Nikon, and Canon users. Which by the way 
> implies that the FF will need to come with at least 2-3 top quality lenses 
> from the beginning; they won't be able to rely on people like us who have 
> lenses on the shelf waiting for a body with which to use them.
>
> stan
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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Bob W

On 10 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Francis  wrote:

> 
> I know a little about this; one of my parents (and both of those of my
> wife) were life-long teachers. I went to the UK equivalent of both a US
> public school (although this was before Maggie Thatcher's drive to full
> comprehensive schools, so even then it was a selective 'grammar' school)
> and a voucher-supported school (a so-called Direct Grant public school),
> so I've seen at least some of the inside of both sides.
> 
> My mother was a very close friend of the headmistress of one of the big
> experimental comprehensive schools (Kidbrooke - Bob probably knows of it),
> so I also know something about how a public school system can work, and
> of the problems encountered in trying to make it work.
> 

Indeed i do - two of my friends have been teachers there.

I went to a gramer schol, which became comprehensive at about the time I was in 
6:1. The thing that went really wrong with the transition to comprehensives, 
which I support, is that some grammars got out of it by turning private, or 
something similar, and were able to poach the best teachers from the comps, so 
the comps became a dumping ground for bad teachers. This meant a fall in 
standards on average. If they had retained the best of the grammar teachers and 
ethos standards would probably have risen on average. 

As it is now, though, I think teaching is much better than it was in my day.

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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

Perhaps a better school system, but at the expense of an overall 
worsening of society.


From: "Daniel J. Matyola"

"what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn"

So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop
out, we will have a better school system?

Dan
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn




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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, 
where, why & how to pray, along with who to pray to?



From: "Daniel J. Matyola"

Including "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is hardly "worship."
 It is mostly a recognition that Americans "are endowed by their
Creator with certain unalienable Rights" that can not be taken away by
the government.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:53 PM,   wrote:

I don't believe in the concept of worship.

Methinks your  perspective is skewed by your own lens.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

In  a message dated 4/9/2013 5:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes:

Methinks they doth protest too much



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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread John Francis

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 01:04:49PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> "You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of
> teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the
> profession who are passionate about teaching."
> 
> Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system:  make the
> job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of measuring
> performance.  I am not convinced that is the was to attract people who
> are passionate about teaching;  it is more likely to attract those
> looking for any easy and secure position.

You're conflating two arguments.
While much of the current (US) based public education system has
eliminated any meaningful way of evaluating the perfomance of
teachers (although just how to measure this is, in itself, a whole
new can of worms), that's not a position put forward by the proponents
of charter/voucher schools.

I know a little about this; one of my parents (and both of those of my
wife) were life-long teachers. I went to the UK equivalent of both a US
public school (although this was before Maggie Thatcher's drive to full
comprehensive schools, so even then it was a selective 'grammar' school)
and a voucher-supported school (a so-called Direct Grant public school),
so I've seen at least some of the inside of both sides.

My mother was a very close friend of the headmistress of one of the big
experimental comprehensive schools (Kidbrooke - Bob probably knows of it),
so I also know something about how a public school system can work, and
of the problems encountered in trying to make it work.

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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

>Actually, yes. You will have students who are motivated, which makes the 
>job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the 
>profession who are passionate about teaching. Yo won't run into the 
>situation that is happening in Georgia (IIRC) where an entire school 
>board is under the microscope for marks cheating to enhance their 
>districts scores (and funding). Thirty five educators are in front of a 
>grand jury for this.

Similar situation in Ohio but without the press coverage, so it may just be
forgotten about.  Unfortunately.


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Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)

2013-04-10 Thread Stan Halpin

On Apr 10, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Sad to read the position on full frame for Pentax.
> Without the hope of it, I might as well switch to Canon.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that
>> this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder:
>> http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm
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>> Peter Galassi
>> 

Thanks for the link Darren. Bob, I will be optimistic in my interpretation of 
Malcom's comments. You could say that he will recommend de-emphasizing FF 
because some current users are happy with the current APS-C and don't see a 
reason to switch. Or, you could say that he will take this feedback as an 
indication that a) current users are pleased with the IQ etc. that they are 
getting, b) current users may not be the target audience for a Pentax FF, and 
therefore c) marketing of the soon-to-be-delivered FF should target 
brand-switchers rather than current users. Which only makes sense anyway 
because there is a far greater population of people using other brands than 
there is using Pentax. They can count on some loyalists to buy a FF, but the 
volume of sales will be to Sony, Nikon, and Canon users. Which by the way 
implies that the FF will need to come with at least 2-3 top quality lenses from 
the beginning; they won't be able to rely on people like us who have lenses on 
the shelf waiting for a body with which to use them.

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Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace

Love #21 and #44 (such dark strength) and the owl shots and the ladle
car(#705).
Nice work.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that
> they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and
> gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They
> are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so
> there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more
> stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so
> I thought I'd share.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402&type=1
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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested


On 10/04/2013 11:04 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

"You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of
teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the
profession who are passionate about teaching."

Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system:  make the
job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of measuring
performance.  I am not convinced that is the was to attract people who
are passionate about teaching;  it is more likely to attract those
looking for any easy and secure position.
It makes the job easier in that it is easier to deal with students who 
want to learn, and easier to deal with classrooms that are not war 
zones. You are reading things into my post that were not written into my 
post. Your country has a problem with governmental corruption at every 
level. Deal with that, and you will find most of the other problems go away.


bill

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Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace

"I liked "Free Candy" for its humor."

I liked the "Coke Express" for unintended humor and the deer statue.

Dan
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On Apr 10, 2013, at 10:15 , Zos Xavius  wrote:
>
>> Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that
>> they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and
>> gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They
>> are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so
>> there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more
>> stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so
>> I thought I'd share.
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402&type=1
>>
>
> Fascinating stuff!  Thanks for sharing, Zos.
>
> I liked "Free Candy" for its humor.
>
>  -Charles
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Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace

A great set. I found it most interesting.

Paul
On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:

> On Apr 10, 2013, at 10:15 , Zos Xavius  wrote:
> 
>> Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that
>> they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and
>> gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They
>> are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so
>> there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more
>> stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so
>> I thought I'd share.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402&type=1
>> 
> 
> Fascinating stuff!  Thanks for sharing, Zos.
> 
> I liked "Free Candy" for its humor. 
> 
> -Charles
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Re: PESO - Highland Park - 1969

2013-04-10 Thread George Sinos

After resurrecting this old slide I'm thinking about taking a drive to
see what that old park looks like today.  I haven't driven by it in
years.  My guess is a lot of those old trees are gone. gs

George Sinos

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> May not be a "great shot" but some great memories from something you
> took 44 years ago, George. I like the light and look of it. The dust
> and grain adds to it.
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>> So here's a scan of a slide I shot way back when I was in high school.
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)

Sad to read the position on full frame for Pentax.
Without the hope of it, I might as well switch to Canon.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

"You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of
teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the
profession who are passionate about teaching."

Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system:  make the
job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of measuring
performance.  I am not convinced that is the was to attract people who
are passionate about teaching;  it is more likely to attract those
looking for any easy and secure position.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 10/04/2013 7:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> "what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn"
>>
>> So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop
>> out, we will have a better school system?
>
>
> Actually, yes. You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job
> of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession
> who are passionate about teaching. Yo won't run into the situation that is
> happening in Georgia (IIRC) where an entire school board is under the
> microscope for marks cheating to enhance their districts scores (and
> funding). Thirty five educators are in front of a grand jury for this.
>
> http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/01/atlanta-cheating-scandal-puts-national-education-policy-on-trial/
>
> The other side of the coin of course, is what do you do with the slackers?
> They aren't going to be employable, and are, as a rule, going to end up in
> criminal activity (much the same as they do now), and eventually, being
> warehoused in jail.
>
> As an aside, I know something of what I speak. My father spent the majority
> of his teaching career at an inner city high school where drop out rates
> generally exceeded 90%, and the kids were a product of multi generational
> welfare, and parents whose live had pretty much been ruined by our
> governments very misguided attempt to beat the Indian out of the Indians
> with a Residential School program that saw hundreds of thousands of children
> taken from their parents and dropped into church run schools where their
> culture, language and, judging from the number of complaints that surfaced
> regarding physical and sexual abuse, their innocence as well.
> As a society, we'll be paying for this 150 year travesty for another hundred
> years.
>
> Essentially, we screwed these people up to the point they couldn't function
> in either the Indian society or the White society, and then kicked them to
> the curb to fend for themselves, and then got sanctimonious because many
> (most) ended up as a waste of humanity.
>
> bill
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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

" If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an
all-public model."

How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the
system "work"?>
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>> This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals
>> and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and,
>> in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how
>> they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to
>> compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by
>> the government isn't going to happen. That's history.
>
> Only if we want to continue with a failing school system.  If we want a
> school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with,
> of course, some caveats):
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
>
> You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and
> charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take
> the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental
> disabilities).
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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

My comment has nothing to do with tax breaks or anything else, but you
know that.
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> Including "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is hardly "worship."
>> It is mostly a recognition that Americans "are endowed by their
>> Creator with certain unalienable Rights" that can not be taken away by
>> the government.
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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

On 10/04/2013 7:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> "what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn"
>
> So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop
> out, we will have a better school system?

Actually, yes. You will have students who are motivated, which makes the 
job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the 
profession who are passionate about teaching. Yo won't run into the 
situation that is happening in Georgia (IIRC) where an entire school 
board is under the microscope for marks cheating to enhance their 
districts scores (and funding). Thirty five educators are in front of a 
grand jury for this.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/01/atlanta-cheating-scandal-puts-national-education-policy-on-trial/

The other side of the coin of course, is what do you do with the 
slackers? They aren't going to be employable, and are, as a rule, going 
to end up in criminal activity (much the same as they do now), and 
eventually, being warehoused in jail.

As an aside, I know something of what I speak. My father spent the 
majority of his teaching career at an inner city high school where drop 
out rates generally exceeded 90%, and the kids were a product of multi 
generational welfare, and parents whose live had pretty much been ruined 
by our governments very misguided attempt to beat the Indian out of the 
Indians with a Residential School program that saw hundreds of thousands 
of children taken from their parents and dropped into church run schools 
where their culture, language and, judging from the number of complaints 
that surfaced regarding physical and sexual abuse, their innocence as well.
As a society, we'll be paying for this 150 year travesty for another 
hundred years.

Essentially, we screwed these people up to the point they couldn't 
function in either the Indian society or the White society, and then 
kicked them to the curb to fend for themselves, and then got 
sanctimonious because many (most) ended up as a waste of humanity.

bill

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Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace

2013-04-10 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher

Zos Xavius  wrote:

> Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that
> they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and
> gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. 

Wonderful work but are you sure the furnace is that old? Looks more like
1930's to me. 

Anyway, great stuff. Pity it's so far away from here...

Ralf

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Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace

Really like this one: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=434486426639777
and this one also stands out:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=434486706639749



On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On Apr 10, 2013, at 10:15 , Zos Xavius  wrote:
>
>> Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that
>> they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and
>> gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They
>> are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so
>> there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more
>> stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so
>> I thought I'd share.
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402&type=1
>>
>
> Fascinating stuff!  Thanks for sharing, Zos.
>
> I liked "Free Candy" for its humor.
>
>  -Charles
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Re:GESO: Carrie Furnace

2013-04-10 Thread Don Guthrie

Some very strong images there. I think your choices of B&W vs Color were 
appropriate. Nice envy inducing work.

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Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that
they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and
gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They
are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so
there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more
stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so
I thought I'd share.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402&type=1

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Re: [PlainText] MoreScratch.txt

2013-04-10 Thread kwaller

A great collection of details. 
Charles St is my choice of the lot.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 

Subject: [PlainText] MoreScratch.txt



A walk in blustery, cold Peel the other day found me looking at details.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8634405172/lightbox

This and five other photos from Peel are available in a small set at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157633203853634/

Enjoy!

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Re: Peel

2013-04-10 Thread Don Guthrie

A collection of charming photos, well seen, captured, & presented. I 
find Reflection and Backdoor particularly nice.



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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:00:37 +0100
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A walk in blustery, cold Peel the other day found me looking at details.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8634405172/lightbox

This and five other photos from Peel are available in a small set at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157633203853634/

Enjoy!

Godfrey



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Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Robinson

On Apr 10, 2013, at 10:15 , Zos Xavius  wrote:

> Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that
> they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and
> gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They
> are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so
> there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more
> stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so
> I thought I'd share.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402&type=1
> 

Fascinating stuff!  Thanks for sharing, Zos.

I liked "Free Candy" for its humor. 

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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch  wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 
 There are a lot of people who believe in no  gods.
>>> 
>>> But those too have created gods in their own image, just as people
>>> have done since the beginning of time.  Witness the Christmas displays
>>> in Santa Monica stage by the atheists. They outdid all the religious
>>> groups. They worship at the shrine of secularism. We all have our
>>> gods.
>> 
>> Category error, you are warping other people's beliefs to suit your own.
>> 
>>"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,
>>"it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less."
> 
> Not my beliefs. I'm agnostic. But mankind has always found something
> to believe in, and a new system of beliefs always involves rejection
> of the old. Today's secularists are to christians what the christians
> and jews were to sun worshipers thousands of years ago.

You are mixing up beliefs, gods, and worship.  You are making as much
sense as Humpty Dumpty.  
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GESO: Carrie Furnace

2013-04-10 Thread Zos Xavius

Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that
they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and
gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They
are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so
there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more
stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so
I thought I'd share.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402&type=1

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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
> Including "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is hardly "worship."
> It is mostly a recognition that Americans "are endowed by their
> Creator with certain unalienable Rights" that can not be taken away by
> the government.

Do you support tax breaks for worshippers of the Flying Spaghetti
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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
> This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals
> and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and,
> in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how
> they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to
> compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by
> the government isn't going to happen. That's history.

Only if we want to continue with a failing school system.  If we want a
school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with,
of course, some caveats):

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/


You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and
charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take
the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental
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An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)

I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that
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Re: PESO 2013 - in Peel - GDG

The first image is very cute, and seems very, very British.  (or
should I say Manx?)

The other image, of the wall, is very strong and compelling;  great
color, geometry and textures.
Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
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> Pardon the double post. Made a couple errors on the initial one.
> A walk in blustery, cold Peel the other day found me looking at details.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8634405172/lightbox
>
> This and five other photos from are available in a small set at
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157633203853634/
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

"what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn"

So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop
out, we will have a better school system?

Dan
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn



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Re: Peso Airbourne

2013-04-10 Thread David J Brooks

Actually a him:-)

Thanks for the comments all. I have been playing with the spot heal
brush in PS trying to get rid of that other kid, but with litle
success. I have other photos with kids in the back ground but farther
away, and they seem to be able to get rid of. May be not enough back
ground colours to work with???

Dave

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I agree. An excellent shot. Make her a print!
>
> Paul
> On Apr 9, 2013, at 7:18 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hey, hey, really nice! You not only caught her  at a great point, you
>> caught him at great complimentary point.
>>
>> Well done!  That sort of thing is not easy to do.
>>
>> Marnie aka Doe :-)
>>
>> In a  message dated 4/9/2013 8:24:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> pentko...@gmail.com  writes:
>> Looking at the shots from last night at the trampoline  place:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17136812
>>
>> K-5 DFA 50  f2.8 , ISO 6400, LR 4 adjustments but not much
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

Including "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is hardly "worship."
 It is mostly a recognition that Americans "are endowed by their
Creator with certain unalienable Rights" that can not be taken away by
the government.
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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:53 PM,   wrote:
> I don't believe in the concept of worship.
>
> Methinks your  perspective is skewed by your own lens.
>
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
>
> In  a message dated 4/9/2013 5:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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>
> Methinks they doth protest too much
>
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