Re: New laptop
> On 28 February 2018 at 22:40 Johnwrote: > > > On 2/28/2018 00:37, mike wilson wrote: > >> On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote: > >>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote: > My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a > refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB > SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit. > > Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able > to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop. > >>> > >>> This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows > >>> 10. You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support > >>> for W7. That means there won't even be any security updates after > >>> Jan 2020. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn > >> it into a Hackintosh. > > > > UBUNTU is an easy install. Download the file and write it to a DVD - > > maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow > > instructions. Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird. > > (Windows) problems fixed, permanently. > > > > For now I'm sticking with Windoze7, at least until Micro$oft murders it. > > But, yes, most likely Ubuntu when my paranoia level at the lack of > security updates after Jan 2020. > > I am pretty much removing ALL of the pre-installed "software" to make > room for the programs *I* use. The trial versions of Word Perfect and > Quatro Pro are going bye-bye; so is "BullGuard". > > Open Office, here I come. Forgot to mention that UBUNTU installs LibreOffice automatically. You can set the default file save to MS Office standards and names. I've had a few, minor hiccups when swapping files between suites but they are mainly formatting issues and easily dealt with. The only exception is the equivalent of Publisher but that doesn't even talk to different versions of itself. > > Antivirus software? How does Windoze Defender compare to aftermarket > products? > > None of the reviews (PC Magazine, PC World, TopTen) even list it. But > I'm not sure how much faith I can put in them, because some of them > rate Norton highest (and the others recommend it highly). > > My previous experience with Norton is why I'm using AVG currently. > Recently AVG has begun exhibiting the same behavior that pissed me off > against Norton. > > Definitely not going with Kaspersky. Maybe Bitdefender or Avast? > > Or is Windoze Defender good enough? > > > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: second test and dumb question
You shouldn't need to keep them. The unpacking process before installing may leave behind a number of intermediate temporary files you don't need either. On 2/28/2018 8:37 PM, John Sessoms wrote: After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the installer EXE files that I downloaded? Specifically: palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe Do I need to keep them? -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: second test and dumb question
As Igor said, you don't need to keep them but I usually do in case I need to go back to that version if a future update doesn't work. eg. about a year ago I updated Firefox and found it wouldn't load on my PC so I reinstalled the earlier version from the saved installer. Cheers Brian > On 01 March 2018 at 12:37 John Sessomswrote: > > > After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the > installer EXE files that I downloaded? > > Specifically: palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe > Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe > > Do I need to keep them? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year
The frequency of problems encountered with Windows 10 is pretty strongly correlated with how unusual your configuration is. If you're running a machine that is identical to thousands of other machines out there, youre not likely to run into many problems. If, on the other hand, you have a system that you've built yourself from a variety of different components, you're on somewhat shakier ground. Not every device has new W10 drivers, and even if your ones do it's unlikely that the device manufacturer tested their new driver on a machine that matches your configuration (and even less likely that any testing had all the newest drivers for all the other devices). Most of the time you'll be fine, and there won't be interactions between the drivers (even if you're using old W7 drivers because there isn't a W10 driver for one or more devices). But if you're one of the unlucky ones who is the first to trip over a particular bug you're stuck, and you're unlikely to get any help determining which of the devices is actually causing your problem (and even less likely to get the manufacturer of the device to admit responsibility and fix the problem). Laptops, of course, are sold in far more limited configurations (and the W10 pre-install compatibility tester knows about most of them), so if W10 is prepared to install itself on the laptop it's probably going to work. It's because he was switching to a a laptop from a mainstream manufacturer (and a fairly up-to-date one at that) that I suggested John might want to reconsider his position vis-a-vis Windows 10. I had no significant problems upgrading either of my notebooks (the Dell XPS13 I bought five years ago or the HP8740w that was a couple of years older), although since then the HP has succumbed to hardware failures. While you're going through the hassle of porting everything to a new machine anyway is the best time to change the operating system - you don't really want to go through all the grief again in a couple of years. In fact the W7 - W10 upgrade was only the second time I upgraded the OS on one of my systems (the other was back in the Windows NT era); most of the time I kept the machines running the OS that was initially installed. On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 10:34:38AM +1000, John Coyle wrote: > There must be something I don't get: I started with DOS, worked with every > iteration of Windows > from 3.1 to 10 (except 8), and never had serious issues. I'm still running a > copy of Lotus 1-2-3 > from 1995, and it's working just as it always did. > The upgrade from W7 to W10 took a little time but never faltered, and now > it's generally stable. > The only annoyance I have is, very occasionally, it will start an update > while I'm working, and in > doing so can stop some services, but it's easily overcome by a warm boot - > which doesn't seem to > cruel the update! > > > John in Brisbane > > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John > Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2018 9:13 AM > To: pdml@pdml.net > Subject: Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year > > On 2/28/2018 16:42, John Coyle wrote: > > On most on-line forms, under Windows 10, and prior to that under at > > least 7 if not XP, previously submitted information is available if you > > type the first letter of > the information as a dropdown. > > More than that, I notice that on at least one line banking system, > > when making payments, previously entered references are also available. > > Perhaps that is an advantage of using Windows, despite the naysayers in > > this group? > > > > The advantage for me was Windows has always been mostly hardware agnostic. I > could buy parts, plug > 'em together; boot up the install disk and get a working, usable system ... > up until Windoze 10. > > When I wanted to actually do some work, the applications I needed to use > would function. Sometimes > it was aggravating. It took trial and error to get it going, but eventually > it *DID* get going. > Often it was FUGLY, but it worked. > > That's why I'm so hostile towards Windoze 10. It didn't work. After all the > nagging and aggravation > they put me through, it wouldn't work. > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: second test and dumb question
No. You don't need to keep them. But I typically do keep all the installer files. It was only ones or twice in the 21st century that I went back to them on the same computer. (I've went to them for a different computer, - but not for such frequently updated software as web browser and Thunderbird.) I usually save them on one of the backup drives. Igor John Sessoms Wed, 28 Feb 2018 17:38:42 -0800 wrote: After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the installer EXE files that I downloaded? Specifically: palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe Do I need to keep them? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: second test and dumb question
After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the installer EXE files that I downloaded? Specifically: palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe Do I need to keep them? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: First Test from new Laptop
On February 28, 2018 5:28:38 PM PST, John Sessomswrote: >Setting up the email client on my new laptop and want to see if I can >communicate with the PDML list. > >Can you see me now? Yup, you're as handsome as Bill -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: First Test from new Laptop
Setting up the email client on my new laptop and want to see if I can communicate with the PDML list. Can you see me now? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PDML Annual book - request for next year
There must be something I don't get: I started with DOS, worked with every iteration of Windows from 3.1 to 10 (except 8), and never had serious issues. I'm still running a copy of Lotus 1-2-3 from 1995, and it's working just as it always did. The upgrade from W7 to W10 took a little time but never faltered, and now it's generally stable. The only annoyance I have is, very occasionally, it will start an update while I'm working, and in doing so can stop some services, but it's easily overcome by a warm boot - which doesn't seem to cruel the update! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2018 9:13 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year On 2/28/2018 16:42, John Coyle wrote: > On most on-line forms, under Windows 10, and prior to that under at > least 7 if not XP, previously submitted information is available if you type > the first letter of the information as a dropdown. > More than that, I notice that on at least one line banking system, > when making payments, previously entered references are also available. > Perhaps that is an advantage of using Windows, despite the naysayers in this > group? > The advantage for me was Windows has always been mostly hardware agnostic. I could buy parts, plug 'em together; boot up the install disk and get a working, usable system ... up until Windoze 10. When I wanted to actually do some work, the applications I needed to use would function. Sometimes it was aggravating. It took trial and error to get it going, but eventually it *DID* get going. Often it was FUGLY, but it worked. That's why I'm so hostile towards Windoze 10. It didn't work. After all the nagging and aggravation they put me through, it wouldn't work. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: New laptop
John, Windows Defender has been rated very good by an Australian PC magazine (one with a good reputation!), and I use it and Trend Micro's AV software as well. TM allows me to protect up to 5 PC's for one licence, which covers my needs. Norton I found a resource hog, and as you say, AVG is heading the same way. I can't say I would trust Kapersky now, given their location! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2018 8:40 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New laptop On 2/28/2018 00:37, mike wilson wrote: >> On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 Johnwrote: >> >> >> On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote: My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit. Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop. >>> >>> This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows 10. >>> You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support for W7. >>> That means there won't even be any security updates after Jan 2020. >>> >>> >> >> F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn it >> into a Hackintosh. > > UBUNTU is an easy install. Download the file and write it to a DVD - > maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow > instructions. Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird. > (Windows) problems fixed, permanently. > For now I'm sticking with Windoze7, at least until Micro$oft murders it. But, yes, most likely Ubuntu when my paranoia level at the lack of security updates after Jan 2020. I am pretty much removing ALL of the pre-installed "software" to make room for the programs *I* use. The trial versions of Word Perfect and Quatro Pro are going bye-bye; so is "BullGuard". Open Office, here I come. Antivirus software? How does Windoze Defender compare to aftermarket products? None of the reviews (PC Magazine, PC World, TopTen) even list it. But I'm not sure how much faith I can put in them, because some of them rate Norton highest (and the others recommend it highly). My previous experience with Norton is why I'm using AVG currently. Recently AVG has begun exhibiting the same behavior that pissed me off against Norton. Definitely not going with Kaspersky. Maybe Bitdefender or Avast? Or is Windoze Defender good enough? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New laptop
WordPerfect? Quottro Pro? Are they still around? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > On 01 March 2018 at 09:40 Johnwrote: > > > On 2/28/2018 00:37, mike wilson wrote: > >> On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote: > >>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote: > My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a > refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB > SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit. > > Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able > to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop. > >>> > >>> This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows > >>> 10. You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support > >>> for W7. That means there won't even be any security updates after > >>> Jan 2020. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn > >> it into a Hackintosh. > > > > UBUNTU is an easy install. Download the file and write it to a DVD - > > maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow > > instructions. Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird. > > (Windows) problems fixed, permanently. > > > > For now I'm sticking with Windoze7, at least until Micro$oft murders it. > > But, yes, most likely Ubuntu when my paranoia level at the lack of > security updates after Jan 2020. > > I am pretty much removing ALL of the pre-installed "software" to make > room for the programs *I* use. The trial versions of Word Perfect and > Quatro Pro are going bye-bye; so is "BullGuard". > > Open Office, here I come. > > Antivirus software? How does Windoze Defender compare to aftermarket > products? > > None of the reviews (PC Magazine, PC World, TopTen) even list it. But > I'm not sure how much faith I can put in them, because some of them > rate Norton highest (and the others recommend it highly). > > My previous experience with Norton is why I'm using AVG currently. > Recently AVG has begun exhibiting the same behavior that pissed me off > against Norton. > > Definitely not going with Kaspersky. Maybe Bitdefender or Avast? > > Or is Windoze Defender good enough? > > > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PDML Annual book - request for next year
That's a property/feature of the web browser. And you can configure most modern web browsers to remember information into the forms or not. It's unrelated to the OS. Igor John Coyle Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:43:08 -0800 wrote: On most on-line forms, under Windows 10, and prior to that under at least 7 if not XP, previously submitted information is available if you type the first letter of the information as a dropdown. More than that, I notice that on at least one line banking system, when making payments, previously entered references are also available. Perhaps that is an advantage of using Windows, despite the naysayers in this group? John in Brisbane -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - What's beneath? -- with the correct link
Ghm... the question in the title of the photo was partly rhetorical... But I was thinking more in terms of the beautiful land with mountains and valleys, paths and roads, other people, etc. But yes, it is a gondola, and it can be seen in this photo, which, I might have shown a year ago: http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/2017-02-PanoramaSnowBird-7.jpg Igor John Wed, 28 Feb 2018 14:46:51 -0800 wrote: My guess would be a gondola. The cables suggest either that or a chair lift, and I don't see any chairs. On 2/28/2018 14:28, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Oops.. I've changed the file name, but forgot to change the link. Here is the correct link: http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_beneath-P1090948.jpg My apology for the mistake! (Alan: thanks for notifying!) Igor On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Here is one more photo taken in February of 2017 near Salt Lake, UT: What's beneath and in front? http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_below-P1090948.jpg (This was taken with a Panasonic P that was easier to carry while skiing.) To me, this photo has some philosophical hue. All comments and critique are always very welcome! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year
On 2/28/2018 16:42, John Coyle wrote: On most on-line forms, under Windows 10, and prior to that under at least 7 if not XP, previously submitted information is available if you type the first letter of the information as a dropdown. More than that, I notice that on at least one line banking system, when making payments, previously entered references are also available. Perhaps that is an advantage of using Windows, despite the naysayers in this group? The advantage for me was Windows has always been mostly hardware agnostic. I could buy parts, plug 'em together; boot up the install disk and get a working, usable system ... up until Windoze 10. When I wanted to actually do some work, the applications I needed to use would function. Sometimes it was aggravating. It took trial and error to get it going, but eventually it *DID* get going. Often it was FUGLY, but it worked. That's why I'm so hostile towards Windoze 10. It didn't work. After all the nagging and aggravation they put me through, it wouldn't work. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New laptop
On 28 Feb 2018, at 22:41, John> wrote: On 2/28/2018 00:37, mike wilson wrote: On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John > wrote: On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote: For now I'm sticking with Windoze7, at least until Micro$oft murders it. You could always sue Microsoft: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/15/man_sues_microsoft_windows_7/ Antivirus software? How does Windoze Defender compare to aftermarket products? Or is Windoze Defender good enough? I've been using it for a few years; it's fine. Before that I used Avast, before that I used something else. The advantage of Windows Defender is that it is unnoticeable, whereas the others eventually turned into memory hogs, or just pests in one way or another. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual book - last minute reminder
I noticed that too, after I had already resized to 2500 high on the one vertical I submitted. It uploaded without any squawks. On 2/28/2018 13:55, Larry Colen wrote: While not the last minute, the last five hours is close enough. I did just notice that at one point the max height is listed as 2500 and elsewhere it is 2400. Igor PDML-StR wrote: Just in case someone still hasn't submitted his or her photo(s) to the PDML annual (which means you are a worse procrastinator then I), - you still have about 18 hours to finalize your submission. Here is the link: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/upload.php (Of course, that doesn't guarantee that The Chief Editor would not remove your photo from the "submitted photos" list manually, as was done last year with a couple of mine, or change the order of submission in that list as was done for one other PDMLer who submitted after me, just to make mine appearing the last. But hopefully, this year someone who shall not be named would not be freaked out by the buggy and inconsistent script on his website. Cough, cough, wink, wink ...) Igor -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - What's beneath? -- with the correct link
My guess would be a gondola. The cables suggest either that or a chair lift, and I don't see any chairs. On 2/28/2018 14:28, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Oops.. I've changed the file name, but forgot to change the link. Here is the correct link: http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_beneath-P1090948.jpg My apology for the mistake! (Alan: thanks for notifying!) Igor On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Here is one more photo taken in February of 2017 near Salt Lake, UT: What's beneath and in front? http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_below-P1090948.jpg (This was taken with a Panasonic P that was easier to carry while skiing.) To me, this photo has some philosophical hue. All comments and critique are always very welcome! Igor -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Visual communication of photographers
I'll keep that in mind if I'm ever called upon to write for any of those organizations or publications. On 2/28/2018 14:06, Paul Stenquist wrote: In AP Style, the Chicago Manual of Style, and the NY Times style guide, the quotation marks always go outside the period. On Feb 28, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Johnwrote: On 2/28/2018 09:27, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Christine, Thanks for your comment. I agree with most of what you said, except for the style issue that John has also commented on (below). I actually did not remember that Strunk & White had it defined, so, I was relying just on the common sense: you don't need to revert/invert/turn you head around or jump on one foot to match the order in the caption to that in the photo. Any style that says differently is impractical and inefficient. In my work I've dealt with several different styles, primarily those that technical journals use. The most prominent ones include American Institute of Physics (AIP) style and IEEE style. I tend to think that the initial idea of any of those styles is to provide a (standard) tool for effective (and often efficient) communication. The problem, however, is where some provisions and rules (often stale and outdated, or sometimes purely historical, based on no practical consideration) are inefficient or illogical, and the style Cerberus[es] refuse to update those. [*] 2-3 years ago, I've head a discussion with the chief editor of one of the IEEE journals on the style used in that journal. He actually agreed to the fact that some provisions were not the most efficient. IIRC, he even agreed to change some that were not dictated by the IEEE style, but said he couldn't change those that are "inherited" from the umbrella IEEE style. == [*] One vivid example is the "illogical" quotation marks: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html Whose period is it? Does it belong to the person being quoted or does it belong to the person doing the quoting? If the quoted text ends with a period, the period goes inside the quotation marks; if it doesn't, the period goes outside. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New laptop
On 2/28/2018 00:37, mike wilson wrote: On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 Johnwrote: On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote: My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit. Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop. This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows 10. You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support for W7. That means there won't even be any security updates after Jan 2020. F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn it into a Hackintosh. UBUNTU is an easy install. Download the file and write it to a DVD - maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow instructions. Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird. (Windows) problems fixed, permanently. For now I'm sticking with Windoze7, at least until Micro$oft murders it. But, yes, most likely Ubuntu when my paranoia level at the lack of security updates after Jan 2020. I am pretty much removing ALL of the pre-installed "software" to make room for the programs *I* use. The trial versions of Word Perfect and Quatro Pro are going bye-bye; so is "BullGuard". Open Office, here I come. Antivirus software? How does Windoze Defender compare to aftermarket products? None of the reviews (PC Magazine, PC World, TopTen) even list it. But I'm not sure how much faith I can put in them, because some of them rate Norton highest (and the others recommend it highly). My previous experience with Norton is why I'm using AVG currently. Recently AVG has begun exhibiting the same behavior that pissed me off against Norton. Definitely not going with Kaspersky. Maybe Bitdefender or Avast? Or is Windoze Defender good enough? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PDML Annual book - request for next year
On most on-line forms, under Windows 10, and prior to that under at least 7 if not XP, previously submitted information is available if you type the first letter of the information as a dropdown. More than that, I notice that on at least one line banking system, when making payments, previously entered references are also available. Perhaps that is an advantage of using Windows, despite the naysayers in this group? John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2018 5:08 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail ListSubject: Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year Would there be any way that the submission page could keep the relevant entered information; name, email, etc. when submitting multiple photos? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New laptop
Windows XP, POS, (no not Piece of Sheit, just stop, I meant, stop), is still getting full support, and all you have to do with an old XP installation to get these updates is change or add, if it doesn't exist, a flag to the registry. Hell I'd still be using XP except that a good AV program and third party fire wall were no longer available, and oh yes, I am using one photo editing application that I just couldn't hack into running under XP, but I don't really need it, there were after all alternatives, but it was the security programs that were most important. I keep my primary development system on a laptop, so I don't really need the most up to date OS on my Photo Editing/General purpose desktop, in fact a lot of the more useful applications I'm using wouldn't run, and have no current equivalents for Win 10. With XP I just needed to be aware to not allow automatic downloads and not click on unsolicited links from Nairobi based Princes and Princess. Which is pretty much what you should do even if you're running the latest and greatest OS anyway. On 2/28/2018 12:58 PM, John wrote: That's why I'm considering going the Hackintosh route; let OS X be the emulator. OTOH, Windows7 may not be quite that dead. There are a lot of Government systems out there running Windows7; even some still running XP. That's a BIG chunk of the market to just cut yourself off from. And maybe before I have to make a change someone will write a better image editing software program for Linux. As Scarlet O'hara says, "Fiddle dee dee, I'll worry about that tomorrow." On 2/28/2018 11:09, P. J. Alling wrote: Except that now you're going to be running any PC software under and emulator, which might or might not work perfectly... I'm pretty sure that Adobe CC products will be nearly, or completely impossible to install that way. You might be able to get the stand alone versions to work, but that means no more updates for you. A while back I looked at the GIMP for windows and was appalled at the UI. OK so it was probably just my Adobe use biasing me. But life is too short to learn to use a UI that seems to be different only for differences sake, especially since it at the time it was so far behind Adobe that my years old version of Photoshop was just as capable. On 2/28/2018 12:37 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 Johnwrote: On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote: My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit. Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop. This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows 10. You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support for W7. That means there won't even be any security updates after Jan 2020. F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn it into a Hackintosh. UBUNTU is an easy install. Download the file and write it to a DVD - maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow instructions. Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird. (Windows) problems fixed, permanently. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Last Call - March PUG
G'day all I'll be closing submissions on Saturday evening 3 March, Sydney time. Theme: Arches As usual submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Full Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual book - last minute reminder
Larry Colen Wed, 28 Feb 2018 10:56:34 -0800 wrote: While not the last minute, the last five hours is close enough. I did just notice that at one point the max height is listed as 2500 and elsewhere it is 2400. It is not the only incosistency there. At some point (e.g. if you forgot to choose the filename), the script shows you an error with something like that: "either you forgot to choose the file, or it is larger than 5 MB", while the first submission page informs about 4 MB file size limit. BTW, if you are going back from that error page, you are loosing "submit" button, and the only cure for that is to reload the page. (Fortunately, in my case, after page reloaded, the field entries were preserved, - I am not sure if it was done by the page, or by my Firefox.) I am also not quite sure where "Comments" go, but it might be just me. Larry Colen Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:09:06 -0800 wrote: Would there be any way that the submission page could keep the relevant entered information; name, email, etc. when submitting multiple photos? That's a good suggestion. Better yet, maybe (up to) three images could be submitted on one page. What I've done (and IIRC, I've been doing that for the past several years) is I hit "Back" in the browser, then change the fields, and submit again. But this year, going "back" results in the "submit" button disappearing. So, I had to hit browser's "reload" (Ctrl-R or F5, or that "reload" icon) each time. Fortunately, my entries were preserved after the pages was reloading. But to be fair to Mark (and despite my somewhat grumpy-sounding comment), Mark does a very reasonable job with this submission page. Somehow submission forms are almost always a problem. For years, I've been submitting abstracts to conferences, grant applications, governmental forms, etc. And almost always, there are some bugs and inconsistencies in those. So, for the form that is used by only about 40-60 people and only once a year, and which for the most part works well enough, -- it is hard to justify spending much time on tweaking this form (or even finding the motivation to do that). Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - What's beneath? -- with the correct link
Oops.. I've changed the file name, but forgot to change the link. Here is the correct link: http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_beneath-P1090948.jpg My apology for the mistake! (Alan: thanks for notifying!) Igor On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Here is one more photo taken in February of 2017 near Salt Lake, UT: What's beneath and in front? http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_below-P1090948.jpg (This was taken with a Panasonic P that was easier to carry while skiing.) To me, this photo has some philosophical hue. All comments and critique are always very welcome! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New laptop
> On 28 February 2018 at 16:09 "P. J. Alling"> wrote: > > > Except that now you're going to be running any PC software under and > emulator, which might or might not work perfectly... > > I'm pretty sure that Adobe CC products will be nearly, or completely > impossible to install that way. You might be able to get the stand > alone versions to work, but that means no more updates for you. "I'm pretty sure that Adobe CC products will be nearly, or completely impossible to install" - what better incentive could a body have to go windowless? > > A while back I looked at the GIMP for windows and was appalled at the > UI. OK so it was probably just my Adobe use biasing me. But life is > too short to learn to use a UI that seems to be different only for > differences sake, especially since it at the time it was so far behind > Adobe that my years old version of Photoshop was just as capable. > > > On 2/28/2018 12:37 AM, mike wilson wrote: > >> On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote: > >>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote: > My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a > refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, > DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit. > > Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able to > run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop. > >>> This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows 10. > >>> You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support for W7. > >>> That means there won't even be any security updates after Jan 2020. > >>> > >>> > >> F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn it > >> into a Hackintosh. > > UBUNTU is an easy install. Download the file and write it to a DVD - maybe > > a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow instructions. > > Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird. (Windows) problems fixed, > > permanently. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year
Would there be any way that the submission page could keep the relevant entered information; name, email, etc. when submitting multiple photos? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Visual communication of photographers
In AP Style, the Chicago Manual of Style, and the NY Times style guide, the quotation marks always go outside the period. > On Feb 28, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Johnwrote: > > On 2/28/2018 09:27, Igor PDML-StR wrote: >> Christine, >> Thanks for your comment. I agree with most of what you said, except >> for the style issue that John has also commented on (below). I >> actually did not remember that Strunk & White had it defined, so, I >> was relying just on the common sense: you don't need to >> revert/invert/turn you head around or jump on one foot to match the >> order in the caption to that in the photo. Any style that says >> differently is impractical and inefficient. >> In my work I've dealt with several different styles, primarily those >> that technical journals use. The most prominent ones include American >> Institute of Physics (AIP) style and IEEE style. I tend to think that >> the initial idea of any of those styles is to provide a (standard) >> tool for effective (and often efficient) communication. The problem, >> however, is where some provisions and rules (often stale and >> outdated, or sometimes purely historical, based on no practical >> consideration) are inefficient or illogical, and the style >> Cerberus[es] refuse to update those. [*] >> 2-3 years ago, I've head a discussion with the chief editor of one of >> the IEEE journals on the style used in that journal. He actually >> agreed to the fact that some provisions were not the most efficient. >> IIRC, he even agreed to change some that were not dictated by the >> IEEE style, but said he couldn't change those that are "inherited" >> from the umbrella IEEE style. >> == [*] One vivid example is the "illogical" quotation marks: >> http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html >> > > Whose period is it? Does it belong to the person being quoted or does > it belong to the person doing the quoting? > > If the quoted text ends with a period, the period goes inside the > quotation marks; if it doesn't, the period goes outside. > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual book - last minute reminder
While not the last minute, the last five hours is close enough. I did just notice that at one point the max height is listed as 2500 and elsewhere it is 2400. Igor PDML-StR wrote: Just in case someone still hasn't submitted his or her photo(s) to the PDML annual (which means you are a worse procrastinator then I), - you still have about 18 hours to finalize your submission. Here is the link: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/upload.php (Of course, that doesn't guarantee that The Chief Editor would not remove your photo from the "submitted photos" list manually, as was done last year with a couple of mine, or change the order of submission in that list as was done for one other PDMLer who submitted after me, just to make mine appearing the last. But hopefully, this year someone who shall not be named would not be freaked out by the buggy and inconsistent script on his website. Cough, cough, wink, wink ...) Igor -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fresh Powder Day (1 year ago)
Igor, I like the image and think it would be stronger with a little less blank sky - perhaps crop out the sky just above the top of the hill. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Igor PDML-StR"Subject: PESO - Fresh Powder Day (1 year ago) While working on the photos, I found a few photos that I thought were interesting. They were taken almost exactly 1 year ago in Utah, near Salt Lake City. Fresh Powder Day: http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/FreshPowderDay_IR39177.jpg Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - What's beneath?
404 Alan C -Original Message- From: Igor PDML-StR Sent: 28 February, 2018 8:14 PM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - What's beneath? Here is one more photo taken in February of 2017 near Salt Lake, UT: What's beneath and in front? http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_below-P1090948.jpg (This was taken with a Panasonic P that was easier to carry while skiing.) To me, this photo has some philosophical hue. All comments and critique are always very welcome! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: really OT facebook help
On 28 Feb 2018, at 16:41, David J Brookswrote: > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:24 AM, P. J. Alling > wrote: >> I hate to tell you Dave, but if you're using Facebook, you're beyond help. >> Not only is Facebook unethical with user data, but their untallented >> developers seem to be mainly good at getting in each others way. I'll bet >> that the changes were only tested on the Facebook mobile App, because well >> FB doesn't own any browsers so they're not important. > > Didn't you hear, FB is for old people now.:-) > How do you expect him to hear? He's old... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - What's beneath?
Here is one more photo taken in February of 2017 near Salt Lake, UT: What's beneath and in front? http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_below-P1090948.jpg (This was taken with a Panasonic P that was easier to carry while skiing.) To me, this photo has some philosophical hue. All comments and critique are always very welcome! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Visual communication of photographers
On 2/28/2018 09:27, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Christine, Thanks for your comment. I agree with most of what you said, except for the style issue that John has also commented on (below). I actually did not remember that Strunk & White had it defined, so, I was relying just on the common sense: you don't need to revert/invert/turn you head around or jump on one foot to match the order in the caption to that in the photo. Any style that says differently is impractical and inefficient. In my work I've dealt with several different styles, primarily those that technical journals use. The most prominent ones include American Institute of Physics (AIP) style and IEEE style. I tend to think that the initial idea of any of those styles is to provide a (standard) tool for effective (and often efficient) communication. The problem, however, is where some provisions and rules (often stale and outdated, or sometimes purely historical, based on no practical consideration) are inefficient or illogical, and the style Cerberus[es] refuse to update those. [*] 2-3 years ago, I've head a discussion with the chief editor of one of the IEEE journals on the style used in that journal. He actually agreed to the fact that some provisions were not the most efficient. IIRC, he even agreed to change some that were not dictated by the IEEE style, but said he couldn't change those that are "inherited" from the umbrella IEEE style. == [*] One vivid example is the "illogical" quotation marks: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html Whose period is it? Does it belong to the person being quoted or does it belong to the person doing the quoting? If the quoted text ends with a period, the period goes inside the quotation marks; if it doesn't, the period goes outside. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: really OT facebook help
On 2/28/2018 11:39, David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:24 AM, P. J. Allingwrote: I hate to tell you Dave, but if you're using Facebook, you're beyond help. Not only is Facebook unethical with user data, but their untallented developers seem to be mainly good at getting in each others way. I'll bet that the changes were only tested on the Facebook mobile App, because well FB doesn't own any browsers so they're not important. Didn't you hear, FB is for old people now.:-) Yeah, my ex-wife probably has FaceBook; another reason for me NOT to have it.. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New laptop
That's why I'm considering going the Hackintosh route; let OS X be the emulator. OTOH, Windows7 may not be quite that dead. There are a lot of Government systems out there running Windows7; even some still running XP. That's a BIG chunk of the market to just cut yourself off from. And maybe before I have to make a change someone will write a better image editing software program for Linux. As Scarlet O'hara says, "Fiddle dee dee, I'll worry about that tomorrow." On 2/28/2018 11:09, P. J. Alling wrote: Except that now you're going to be running any PC software under and emulator, which might or might not work perfectly... I'm pretty sure that Adobe CC products will be nearly, or completely impossible to install that way. You might be able to get the stand alone versions to work, but that means no more updates for you. A while back I looked at the GIMP for windows and was appalled at the UI. OK so it was probably just my Adobe use biasing me. But life is too short to learn to use a UI that seems to be different only for differences sake, especially since it at the time it was so far behind Adobe that my years old version of Photoshop was just as capable. On 2/28/2018 12:37 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 Johnwrote: On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote: My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit. Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop. This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows 10. You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support for W7. That means there won't even be any security updates after Jan 2020. F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn it into a Hackintosh. UBUNTU is an easy install. Download the file and write it to a DVD - maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow instructions. Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird. (Windows) problems fixed, permanently. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: really OT facebook help
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:24 AM, P. J. Allingwrote: > I hate to tell you Dave, but if you're using Facebook, you're beyond help. > Not only is Facebook unethical with user data, but their untallented > developers seem to be mainly good at getting in each others way. I'll bet > that the changes were only tested on the Facebook mobile App, because well > FB doesn't own any browsers so they're not important. Didn't you hear, FB is for old people now.:-) Dave > > > On 2/28/2018 8:43 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox, >> chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent >> blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the >> black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked >> on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started >> today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem >> to be ok with that, using Chrome. >> >> Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-) >> >> Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer. >> >> Dave >> > > -- > America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. > America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. > - P.J. O'Rourke > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: really OT facebook help
software that grew up without adult supervision. Damn, I wish I'd said that. Larry, today you win the internet. On 2/28/2018 11:22 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote: On February 28, 2018 7:41:53 AM PST, Bruce Walkerwrote: My wife complained to me about this exact thing this morning, Dave, so I'd hazard a guess that FB is presently hosed. Try again in a couple of hours. Well, I mean more hosed than usual, of course. FB is hosed by design. :-) The problem with that statement is that it implies that Facebook was designed. It is a perfect example of software that grew up without adult supervision. On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:43 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox, chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem to be ok with that, using Chrome. Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-) Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: really OT facebook help
I hate to tell you Dave, but if you're using Facebook, you're beyond help. Not only is Facebook unethical with user data, but their untallented developers seem to be mainly good at getting in each others way. I'll bet that the changes were only tested on the Facebook mobile App, because well FB doesn't own any browsers so they're not important. On 2/28/2018 8:43 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox, chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem to be ok with that, using Chrome. Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-) Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer. Dave -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: really OT facebook help
On February 28, 2018 7:41:53 AM PST, Bruce Walkerwrote: >My wife complained to me about this exact thing this morning, Dave, so >I'd hazard a guess that FB is presently hosed. Try again in a couple >of hours. > >Well, I mean more hosed than usual, of course. FB is hosed by design. >:-) The problem with that statement is that it implies that Facebook was designed. It is a perfect example of software that grew up without adult supervision. > > >On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:43 AM, David J Brooks >wrote: >> Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( >Firefox, >> chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a >transparent >> blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the >> black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked >> on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started >> today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem >> to be ok with that, using Chrome. >> >> Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-) >> >> Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer. >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: really OT facebook help
thanks Bruce. I thought it might be after trying it in all 3 of my browsers. I posted from my phone ok but it only shows up in my timeline and not in the3 news feed. Agree with your comments. Dave On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Bruce Walkerwrote: > My wife complained to me about this exact thing this morning, Dave, so > I'd hazard a guess that FB is presently hosed. Try again in a couple > of hours. > > Well, I mean more hosed than usual, of course. FB is hosed by design. :-) > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:43 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox, >> chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent >> blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the >> black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked >> on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started >> today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem >> to be ok with that, using Chrome. >> >> Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-) >> >> Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer. >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
US copyright law - potential changes
Federal - HR 3945 A bill to amend title 17, United States Code, to establish an alternative dispute resolution program for copyright small claims, and for other purposes. *** Most attorneys will not take a copyright infringement case unless it looks like the payout will be at least $30K. The average loss to photographers and other artists is only around $3K so there is little protection for most of us. This bill would allow photographers and other artists to address copyright infringement in small claims court and allow recovery for smaller amounts. If you want to contact your representative in support of the bill, here's a pathway to sending your concerns... http://cqrcengage.com/ppaworld/app/write-a-letter?7=442074 -p -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New laptop
Except that now you're going to be running any PC software under and emulator, which might or might not work perfectly... I'm pretty sure that Adobe CC products will be nearly, or completely impossible to install that way. You might be able to get the stand alone versions to work, but that means no more updates for you. A while back I looked at the GIMP for windows and was appalled at the UI. OK so it was probably just my Adobe use biasing me. But life is too short to learn to use a UI that seems to be different only for differences sake, especially since it at the time it was so far behind Adobe that my years old version of Photoshop was just as capable. On 2/28/2018 12:37 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 Johnwrote: On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote: My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit. Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop. This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows 10. You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support for W7. That means there won't even be any security updates after Jan 2020. F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn it into a Hackintosh. UBUNTU is an easy install. Download the file and write it to a DVD - maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow instructions. Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird. (Windows) problems fixed, permanently. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: really OT facebook help
My wife complained to me about this exact thing this morning, Dave, so I'd hazard a guess that FB is presently hosed. Try again in a couple of hours. Well, I mean more hosed than usual, of course. FB is hosed by design. :-) On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:43 AM, David J Brookswrote: > Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox, > chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent > blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the > black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked > on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started > today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem > to be ok with that, using Chrome. > > Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-) > > Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer. > > Dave > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fresh Powder Day (1 year ago)
Nice Image! I was wondering what a "fresh powder day" was. Now I know. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Igor PDML-StRwrote: > > > While working on the photos, I found a few photos that I thought were > interesting. They were taken almost exactly 1 year ago in Utah, near Salt > Lake City. > > Fresh Powder Day: > http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/FreshPowderDay_IR39177.jpg > > Igor > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Fresh Powder Day (1 year ago)
While working on the photos, I found a few photos that I thought were interesting. They were taken almost exactly 1 year ago in Utah, near Salt Lake City. Fresh Powder Day: http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/FreshPowderDay_IR39177.jpg Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Visual communication of photographers
Christine, Thanks for your comment. I agree with most of what you said, except for the style issue that John has also commented on (below). I actually did not remember that Strunk & White had it defined, so, I was relying just on the common sense: you don't need to revert/invert/turn you head around or jump on one foot to match the order in the caption to that in the photo. Any style that says differently is impractical and inefficient. In my work I've dealt with several different styles, primarily those that technical journals use. The most prominent ones include American Institute of Physics (AIP) style and IEEE style. I tend to think that the initial idea of any of those styles is to provide a (standard) tool for effective (and often efficient) communication. The problem, however, is where some provisions and rules (often stale and outdated, or sometimes purely historical, based on no practical consideration) are inefficient or illogical, and the style Cerberus[es] refuse to update those. [*] 2-3 years ago, I've head a discussion with the chief editor of one of the IEEE journals on the style used in that journal. He actually agreed to the fact that some provisions were not the most efficient. IIRC, he even agreed to change some that were not dictated by the IEEE style, but said he couldn't change those that are "inherited" from the umbrella IEEE style. == [*] One vivid example is the "illogical" quotation marks: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html Cheers, Igor John Sun, 25 Feb 2018 10:36:11 -0800 wrote: On 2/24/2018 11:26, Christine Aguila wrote: Well, here goes: How an entity (company or periodical) handles issues like photo captions might be more of an issue of style rather than effective communication. Style in this sense means how they handle photo captions, spacing, names of sources, et al—think of the various style manuals: APA, MLA, AP, Chicago Manual of Style, NYT Style etc. I should still have my copy of "Strunk & White" from Freshman English around here somewhere. Nineteen-Sixty-Five edition I think. Don't refer to it much now, because it was drilled into me back then. Captions for group photos are easy - Top row: Name, Name, NameTop row: Name, Name, Name Middle Row: Name, Name, Name *OR*Middle Row: Name, Name, Name Front Row: Name, Name, NameFront Row: Name, Name, Name ... so the faces "line up" with the names in the caption (and vice versa). If your kid is listed third in "Middle Row:", look for the third kid from the left in the middle row. Years from now if someone in the class becomes famous or notorious they'll still be easy to find in their Third Grade class photo. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
really OT facebook help
Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox, chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem to be ok with that, using Chrome. Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-) Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML Annual book - last minute reminder
donation sent also Dave On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:46 AM, Igor PDML-StRwrote: > > > > Just in case someone still hasn't submitted his or her photo(s) > to the PDML annual (which means you are a worse procrastinator then I), - > you still have about 18 hours to finalize your submission. > > Here is the link: > http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/upload.php > > > (Of course, that doesn't guarantee that The Chief Editor would not remove > your photo from the "submitted photos" list manually, as was done last year > with a couple of mine, or change the order of submission in that list as was > done for one other PDMLer who submitted after me, just to make mine > appearing the last. But hopefully, this year someone who shall not be named > would not be freaked out by the buggy and inconsistent script on his > website. Cough, cough, wink, wink ...) > > > Igor > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just in case: Beware of fake photo.net invoices
Got one of these today, had one last year. Thanks anyway for the heads up Dave On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Igor PDML-StRwrote: > > Hi All! > > I think it had been mentioned before here, but I've received a new messages > with a fake photo.net invoice, so there is probably a new wave of scam > messages that are using previously hacked database of photo.net accounts. (I > used a unique e-mail address for registration for photo.net account, so, the > only way it could be exposed is if their user database was hacked.) > The previous "wave" was in September 2017. > > Today's message came from , but yours could be > different. The Subject line says: "Photo.net Your account switched Premium > Membership" > > > In any case, - as always, - do not follow the link(s). > Actually, with this message, - you'd better not open it, especially if the > remote images are not disabled in your e-mail reader (such as Thunderbird). > From my analysis, the only active "payload" of the message I received is > tracking of which e-mail addresses are working via an image with a unique > remote link (which could be broken). > > > Using this opportunity, let me recommend: - in general, in Thunderbird, you > want to keep Tools->Options-> (tab) Privacy -> "Allow remote content in > messages" NOT check-marked. > This is the default value, and you do not want to change that to avoid > automatic confirmation of the validity of your e-mail address for spammers. > (Other modern e-mail programs have a similar setting.) > > HTH, > > Igor > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.