Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/19 Tue PM 05:42:14 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies I'm actually prouder of the second shot - that's one that I visualised first, and went looking for somewhere to make it. I've had the same inspiration on several of my shots. A great feeling when you finally capture it on film. I wonder how wide spread this is with rest of the PDML'ers ? I'm pretty good at the first part and utterly lousy at the second. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Op Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:04:00 +0200 schreef mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/19 Tue PM 05:42:14 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies I'm actually prouder of the second shot - that's one that I visualised first, and went looking for somewhere to make it. I've had the same inspiration on several of my shots. A great feeling when you finally capture it on film. I wonder how wide spread this is with rest of the PDML'ers ? I'm pretty good at the first part and utterly lousy at the second. With me, it's just the other way around. -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
I'm pretty good at the first part and utterly lousy at the second. I've gone years in some instances before I captured the image in my mind. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:54 AM Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/19 Tue PM 05:42:14 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies I'm actually prouder of the second shot - that's one that I visualised first, and went looking for somewhere to make it. I've had the same inspiration on several of my shots. A great feeling when you finally capture it on film. I wonder how wide spread this is with rest of the PDML'ers ? I'm pretty good at the first part and utterly lousy at the second. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 07:46:37PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Francis wrote: These shots (which many here have seen before) were taken using a monopod and the monster zoom. In fact a good number of my motorsports shots were taken with the 300/f2.8 (with or without the 1.7x AF adapter) or the big zoom, and I almost always use a monopod with them. http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/PortlandPitStop.jpg http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/CityStreets.jpg Beauty, John. Those are great shots. I'm working Here, here. The first with all of the fumes rising up toward the top right of the frame...excellent, really striking. -Brendan As a matter of fact, those aren't fumes - it's clear-air turbulence caused by the heat rising from the engines. It's a shot that makes itself - there's a nice little nook at the end of pit out where three or four photographers can cluster. This one was from the prime position (front low). All you need is a sunny day, and a long lens (600mm or so). I've got a similar shot from a few years later, but that one isn't quite as good, to my mind - the pose of the figures isn't as dynamic as this one. I'm actually prouder of the second shot - that's one that I visualised first, and went looking for somewhere to make it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 09:10:30PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: John Francis wrote: These shots (which many here have seen before) were taken using a monopod and the monster zoom. In fact a good number of my motorsports shots were taken with the 300/f2.8 (with or without the 1.7x AF adapter) or the big zoom, and I almost always use a monopod with them. http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/PortlandPitStop.jpg http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/CityStreets.jpg Beauty, John. Those are great shots. I'm working corners for the Tuesday practice day at Road Atlanta for the Petit le Mans. That nets me basically an all areas, all times pass for the entire event. ;- Last year I managed to get out to the wall outside T1 for the start of the race and captured this one: http://nutdriver.org/Wreck/PlM05-08-06_web.jpg It's actually one of a sequence that's described at http://nutdriver.org/Wreck/Narrative.shtml I remember your posting those last year. SCCA access is definitely as good as it gets. I finally put together about a dozen of my favorite race shots and put them on my flickr account ... I'll get a real gallery going sometime soon ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/nutdriverlefty/sets/72157594279961969/ Love that old Lotus! (Although if it's the tub I think it is, it was never actually driven by Mario at any Formula One event). The helmet in the Villeneuve #27 isn't one of Jacques' as far as I know - was this at a historic event? I assume so, because I recognise several of the cars, but none of the helmets. I've got a photo of Jacques in the #27 taken (in 1995) at the last CART race at Loudon, NH, and he was wearing his distinctive pink blue helmet colours. I've been putting together a gallery myself, for at least the last couple of years. Somehow it never seems to get that last bit done. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did put the solution in. Or rather, they took the cause out. They eliminated the aperture ring. Problem is the solution above does not apply to the lenses one already owns. Why would you want to apply it to lenses you already own? (That is to say, why would you want to remove aperture rings from lenses you already own?) Oh, because I am stupid, and I took it off the A position and my DSLR now underexposes. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
John Francis wrote: SCCA access is definitely as good as it gets. It's even better on days when I'm not working corners. :-) The corner captain gets a little put out if I take the full photo kit to the corner with me. All kidding aside, I don't shoot when I'm working ... it's just too dangerous to divide my attention that way. This year, though, I actually have a decent flash to try some night shots at T3, which is about as close as you can get to the moving cars, even on the hot side of the fence. http://www.flickr.com/photos/nutdriverlefty/sets/72157594279961969/ Love that old Lotus! (Although if it's the tub I think it is, it was never actually driven by Mario at any Formula One event). I don't know anything about the tub. Even when they do a program for these events, it's usually not that comprehensive or detailed. It might call out one or two cars, but not all of them. The helmet in the Villeneuve #27 isn't one of Jacques' as far as I know - was this at a historic event? I assume so, because I recognise several of the cars, but none of the helmets. I've got a photo of Jacques in the #27 taken (in 1995) at the last CART race at Loudon, NH, and he was wearing his distinctive pink blue helmet colours. Yep, it was at the fall (2005) Atlanta Historics event that the SVRA puts on at Road Atlanta each year. The red and green #40 Tecate car on the grid is an ex-Helio Castroneves car, the #5 Valvoline car was originally driven by someone else well known (I believe). Daynton Duncan often drives the #27 (ex-Villeneuve) at these events and he and some other guy have been duking it out for the overall lap record at Road Atlanta for three or four years, swapping the record twice or three times in one weekend a couple of years ago. There were also a number of nice Can-Am cars, but I didn't get many photos I liked of them. And there was an ex-Schumacher Bennetton B191 that was painted up in the livery for '93 when he won his first World Championship. I'm not sure of the provenance of the #20 Shell car. I've been putting together a gallery myself, for at least the last couple of years. Somehow it never seems to get that last bit done. That's why I finally just put a few on my Flickr account. :-) I've started four or five times to write programs to generate my galleries because I never found one that worked like I wanted it to work. But I've never finished them. Heck, I've never even finished doing the hard yards of culling, selecting, and prepping photos for a gallery. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Fumes or clear air turbulence. This picture are way beyond cool. Wow, you _are_ pro John. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: 19. september 2006 08:49 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 07:46:37PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Francis wrote: These shots (which many here have seen before) were taken using a monopod and the monster zoom. In fact a good number of my motorsports shots were taken with the 300/f2.8 (with or without the 1.7x AF adapter) or the big zoom, and I almost always use a monopod with them. http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/PortlandPitStop.jpg http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/CityStreets.jpg Beauty, John. Those are great shots. I'm working Here, here. The first with all of the fumes rising up toward the top right of the frame...excellent, really striking. -Brendan As a matter of fact, those aren't fumes - it's clear-air turbulence caused by the heat rising from the engines. It's a shot that makes itself - there's a nice little nook at the end of pit out where three or four photographers can cluster. This one was from the prime position (front low). All you need is a sunny day, and a long lens (600mm or so). I've got a similar shot from a few years later, but that one isn't quite as good, to my mind - the pose of the figures isn't as dynamic as this one. I'm actually prouder of the second shot - that's one that I visualised first, and went looking for somewhere to make it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
And the fact that he is a pro gives him the right to attack person in stead of the ball? I don't think so. Anyway. My hint was just a hint, no big deal intended. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 18. september 2006 02:31 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies No, it's just telling it like it is time. John is a working pro, and he speaks from considerable experience. Paul On Sep 17, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Medication time John, medication time ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: 18. september 2006 01:51 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies Enough of us to point out the problems inherent in your (quite frankly tiresome and arrogant) insistence that the way *you* happen to want to use your camera is the only way that any sentient being could possibly consider. You're by no means the first poster to storm onto this list and, without ever having tried the alternative, castigated Pentax for making a choice different from yours. If you'd claimed that the interface of the PZ bodies (which gave the user the choice) was what Pentax should have done, you might have found more support. But if they're only going to provide one way of working, then your preference for the aperture ring isn't the universally superior technique you seem to believe. I *did* point out that the problem was only significant with long-ish telephoto lenses (it's an issue with any lens of 200m or greater focal length, not just a 600mm). But still you denied that there could ever be a problem because your hand must be near the aperture ring. On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 04:36:16PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? -Brendan --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:09:22AM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan Try steadying a 600mm lens sometime (the recommended fashion is with your hand applying slight pressure on the top of the lens hood). That's not near by any stretch of imagination. (And, in any case, your other hand is much nearer; if distance is the sole criterion you should adjust the aperture with your right hand). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 08:47:46AM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: John Francis wrote: Yep, it was at the fall (2005) Atlanta Historics event that the SVRA puts on at Road Atlanta each year. The red and green #40 Tecate car on the grid is an ex-Helio Castroneves car, the #5 Valvoline car was originally driven by someone else well known (I believe). At first glance I thought it looked like it could be one of Little Al's cars, but it looks a little too recent a design for that. There were also a number of nice Can-Am cars, but I didn't get many photos I liked of them. And there was an ex-Schumacher Bennetton B191 that was painted up in the livery for '93 when he won his first World Championship. I'm not sure of the provenance of the #20 Shell car. That's probably a Kenny Brack ride (possibly even the same car as in my shot of the pit stop in Portland) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Semi-pro, at best. It's not a significant source of income. On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 05:17:04PM +0200, Tim ?sleby wrote: Fumes or clear air turbulence. This picture are way beyond cool. Wow, you _are_ pro John. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: 19. september 2006 08:49 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 07:46:37PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Francis wrote: These shots (which many here have seen before) were taken using a monopod and the monster zoom. In fact a good number of my motorsports shots were taken with the 300/f2.8 (with or without the 1.7x AF adapter) or the big zoom, and I almost always use a monopod with them. http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/PortlandPitStop.jpg http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/CityStreets.jpg Beauty, John. Those are great shots. I'm working Here, here. The first with all of the fumes rising up toward the top right of the frame...excellent, really striking. -Brendan As a matter of fact, those aren't fumes - it's clear-air turbulence caused by the heat rising from the engines. It's a shot that makes itself - there's a nice little nook at the end of pit out where three or four photographers can cluster. This one was from the prime position (front low). All you need is a sunny day, and a long lens (600mm or so). I've got a similar shot from a few years later, but that one isn't quite as good, to my mind - the pose of the figures isn't as dynamic as this one. I'm actually prouder of the second shot - that's one that I visualised first, and went looking for somewhere to make it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
I'm actually prouder of the second shot - that's one that I visualised first, and went looking for somewhere to make it. I've had the same inspiration on several of my shots. A great feeling when you finally capture it on film. I wonder how wide spread this is with rest of the PDML'ers ? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 07:46:37PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Francis wrote: These shots (which many here have seen before) were taken using a monopod and the monster zoom. In fact a good number of my motorsports shots were taken with the 300/f2.8 (with or without the 1.7x AF adapter) or the big zoom, and I almost always use a monopod with them. http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/PortlandPitStop.jpg http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/CityStreets.jpg Beauty, John. Those are great shots. I'm working Here, here. The first with all of the fumes rising up toward the top right of the frame...excellent, really striking. -Brendan As a matter of fact, those aren't fumes - it's clear-air turbulence caused by the heat rising from the engines. It's a shot that makes itself - there's a nice little nook at the end of pit out where three or four photographers can cluster. This one was from the prime position (front low). All you need is a sunny day, and a long lens (600mm or so). I've got a similar shot from a few years later, but that one isn't quite as good, to my mind - the pose of the figures isn't as dynamic as this one. I'm actually prouder of the second shot - that's one that I visualised first, and went looking for somewhere to make it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
--- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 07:46:37PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Francis wrote: These shots (which many here have seen before) were taken using a monopod and the monster zoom. In fact a good number of my motorsports shots were taken with the 300/f2.8 (with or without the 1.7x AF adapter) or the big zoom, and I almost always use a monopod with them. http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/PortlandPitStop.jpg http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/CityStreets.jpg Beauty, John. Those are great shots. I'm working Here, here. The first with all of the fumes rising up toward the top right of the frame...excellent, really striking. -Brendan As a matter of fact, those aren't fumes - it's clear-air turbulence caused by the heat rising from the engines. Ahh, gotcha. Like heat rising from asphalt on a hot day. I was thrown by the guy refuling the car. Doh! -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
--- Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the fact that he is a pro gives him the right to attack person in stead of the ball? I don't think so. Anyway. My hint was just a hint, no big deal intended. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) I didn't really feel attacked, FWIW. I've done some time on some political posts and boards so I've got a REALLY thick skin. No worries! -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 12:00:42PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a matter of fact, those aren't fumes - it's clear-air turbulence caused by the heat rising from the engines. Ahh, gotcha. Like heat rising from asphalt on a hot day. I was thrown by the guy refuling the car. It's an extremely common mistake. But the last thing you want around a hot engine (and I mean really hot - there's a wonderful photograph of a Cosworth F1 engine on a test stand, with the exhaust pipes glowing orange) is fuel, or fuel vapour. That's particularly true of Champ Cars, which are fuelled with Methanol - it burns with a totally invisible flame (except at night time, when you can see a bit of a blue tinge to the flame). Gasoline fires are bad, but at least you can see them. So the fuel nozzles not only deliver fuel, they also exhaust the air displaced by the fuel - nothing gets out into the vicinity of the car. As a final precaution the teams also spray a splash of water onto the car at the end of refuelling, just in case a drop or two of fuel drips out of the end of the nozzle when it is removed from the refuelling port - methanol is miscible with water, so you can extinguish methanol fires using nothing more sophisticated than a bucket of water. You can see the water spray here: http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/GoGoGo.jpg That's Alex Zanardi leaving the pits after his final pit stop (in 1997, the first year he won the championship). Note that the rear wheels are spinning, but the front wheels are still stationary. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Very interesting. And another excellent shot by the way. On Sep 19, 2006, at 5:19 PM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 12:00:42PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a matter of fact, those aren't fumes - it's clear-air turbulence caused by the heat rising from the engines. Ahh, gotcha. Like heat rising from asphalt on a hot day. I was thrown by the guy refuling the car. It's an extremely common mistake. But the last thing you want around a hot engine (and I mean really hot - there's a wonderful photograph of a Cosworth F1 engine on a test stand, with the exhaust pipes glowing orange) is fuel, or fuel vapour. That's particularly true of Champ Cars, which are fuelled with Methanol - it burns with a totally invisible flame (except at night time, when you can see a bit of a blue tinge to the flame). Gasoline fires are bad, but at least you can see them. So the fuel nozzles not only deliver fuel, they also exhaust the air displaced by the fuel - nothing gets out into the vicinity of the car. As a final precaution the teams also spray a splash of water onto the car at the end of refuelling, just in case a drop or two of fuel drips out of the end of the nozzle when it is removed from the refuelling port - methanol is miscible with water, so you can extinguish methanol fires using nothing more sophisticated than a bucket of water. You can see the water spray here: http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/GoGoGo.jpg That's Alex Zanardi leaving the pits after his final pit stop (in 1997, the first year he won the championship). Note that the rear wheels are spinning, but the front wheels are still stationary. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
--- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 12:00:42PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a matter of fact, those aren't fumes - it's clear-air turbulence caused by the heat rising from the engines. Ahh, gotcha. Like heat rising from asphalt on a hot day. I was thrown by the guy refuling the car. It's an extremely common mistake. But the last thing you want around a hot engine... ...is fuel, or fuel vapour. Yeah, that would be bad. I mean it's dangerous enough for a pit crew without explosive vapors to contend with. So I take it the fuel intake has some specialized vacuum seal to prevent such a thing? What's the tank like? Is it similar to standard fuel cell? -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On 17/9/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I sold my *istD for $666 US two weeks ago. It's true then. Pentax - the official camera of the devil. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 17, 2006, at 5:57 PM, Adam Maas wrote: I find the DA40/2.8 to be mind-boggling. Has it sold well? I do not know but I thought it was rather a novelty. I thought so too, but I know several people who've bought one and they seem to like it a lot. Considering the price these days, I'm seriously thinking about it. Just because it's limited glass at about 3/4 the cost of a FA 35/2. At that price I can afford to try it out and see if it works for me. Hmm. Last I recalled the FA35/2 AL was $299 and the DA40/2.8 Ltd was $275 or so. I guess the rebate means $50 off the DA price. I still prefer the shorter focal length and the easier-to-grip lens, as well as the additional stop in speed. The DA40 is too thin for my hands! The DA21 and DA70 are more to my liking. Godfrey Here in Canada, the 35/2 is running about $400 and the 40 DA is $299. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 18/09/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Canada, the 35/2 is running about $400 and the 40 DA is $299. The FA is far better value on a weight basis. ;-P -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
J. C. O'Connell wrote: I have gotten some nice very sharp shots with my 135-600mm SMCT @ 600mm Hand held using only a monopod and 1/500 and 1/100. Monopods ROCK!. Yep, I love my monopod. I even use it for panning the 400 on both the MZ-S and the *ist D. I've gotten to where I can usually hand hold the 300 without much problem, as long as I keep the shutter speed faster than 1/125. But the monopod helps there, too. And the Manfrotto three-section monopod doubles as a cudgel when needed, too. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
LOL Dave On 9/18/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Wayne could have done it one handed while running up a beach shooting a .50 Cal. MG from the other. At least in the movies GRIN. Kenneth Waller wrote: How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? Me. Otherwise. A 600mm FA on a Gitzo 1548 with a Kirk King Cobra Head. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
John Wayne could have done it one handed while running up a beach shooting a .50 Cal. MG from the other. At least in the movies GRIN. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Kenneth Waller wrote: How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? Me. Otherwise. A 600mm FA on a Gitzo 1548 with a Kirk King Cobra Head. I defy anyone to hand hold a prime 600mm consistently get acceptable results. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? -Brendan --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:09:22AM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan Try steadying a 600mm lens sometime (the recommended fashion is with your hand applying slight pressure on the top of the lens hood). That's not near by any stretch of imagination. (And, in any case, your other hand is much nearer; if distance is the sole criterion you should adjust the aperture with your right hand). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 08:36:32AM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: J. C. O'Connell wrote: I have gotten some nice very sharp shots with my 135-600mm SMCT @ 600mm Hand held using only a monopod and 1/500 and 1/100. Monopods ROCK!. Yep, I love my monopod. I even use it for panning the 400 on both the MZ-S and the *ist D. I've gotten to where I can usually hand hold the 300 without much problem, as long as I keep the shutter speed faster than 1/125. But the monopod helps there, too. And the Manfrotto three-section monopod doubles as a cudgel when needed, too. :-) These shots (which many here have seen before) were taken using a monopod and the monster zoom. In fact a good number of my motorsports shots were taken with the 300/f2.8 (with or without the 1.7x AF adapter) or the big zoom, and I almost always use a monopod with them. http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/PortlandPitStop.jpg http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/CityStreets.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
That probably makes sense with such an enormous lens (said I with more than a hint of jealousy). -Brendan --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I normally control the aperture on my 600mm FA using the camera control wheel. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies Three that I know of. Ken, Bill, and Pal. But many of us shoot with an A 400/5.6 or similar on a regular basis. An aperture ring is among my worst nightmares. Keep it. Paul On Sep 17, 2006, at 7:36 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? -Brendan --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:09:22AM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan Try steadying a 600mm lens sometime (the recommended fashion is with your hand applying slight pressure on the top of the lens hood). That's not near by any stretch of imagination. (And, in any case, your other hand is much nearer; if distance is the sole criterion you should adjust the aperture with your right hand). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
It's been said... Cotty wrote: On 17/9/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I sold my *istD for $666 US two weeks ago. It's true then. Pentax - the official camera of the devil. -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
John Wayne could have done it one handed while running up a beach shooting a .50 Cal. MG from the other. At least in the movies GRIN. Yeah but could he get to the aperture ring ? VBG Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies John Wayne could have done it one handed while running up a beach shooting a .50 Cal. MG from the other. At least in the movies GRIN. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Kenneth Waller wrote: How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? Me. Otherwise. A 600mm FA on a Gitzo 1548 with a Kirk King Cobra Head. I defy anyone to hand hold a prime 600mm consistently get acceptable results. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? -Brendan --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:09:22AM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan Try steadying a 600mm lens sometime (the recommended fashion is with your hand applying slight pressure on the top of the lens hood). That's not near by any stretch of imagination. (And, in any case, your other hand is much nearer; if distance is the sole criterion you should adjust the aperture with your right hand). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
I have gotten some nice very sharp shots Key word here is some. Hand held using only a monopod and 1/500 and 1/100. Monopods ROCK!. Better than handheld. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies I have gotten some nice very sharp shots with my 135-600mm SMCT @ 600mm Hand held using only a monopod and 1/500 and 1/100. Monopods ROCK!. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Waller Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:51 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? Me. Otherwise. A 600mm FA on a Gitzo 1548 with a Kirk King Cobra Head. I defy anyone to hand hold a prime 600mm consistently get acceptable results. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? -Brendan --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:09:22AM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan Try steadying a 600mm lens sometime (the recommended fashion is with your hand applying slight pressure on the top of the lens hood). That's not near by any stretch of imagination. (And, in any case, your other hand is much nearer; if distance is the sole criterion you should adjust the aperture with your right hand). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, Mark Roberts wrote: Yes we are. I was told by someone at Pentax (and also a person from another company, Nikon, IIRC) that the single most common reason for SLR's coming in for warranty service was the lens having been taken off the A setting and the camera not behaving in the way to which the customer was accustomed. And who pays for all that needless technician time (and shipping costs)? We do - because it all adds to Pentax's costs of doing business. There is a remarkably easy solution to this problem, one that has been available since the Z-1p. If they care about the technician time, let them put the solution in. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
They did put the solution in. Or rather, they took the cause out. They eliminated the aperture ring. Paul -- Original message -- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, Mark Roberts wrote: Yes we are. I was told by someone at Pentax (and also a person from another company, Nikon, IIRC) that the single most common reason for SLR's coming in for warranty service was the lens having been taken off the A setting and the camera not behaving in the way to which the customer was accustomed. And who pays for all that needless technician time (and shipping costs)? We do - because it all adds to Pentax's costs of doing business. There is a remarkably easy solution to this problem, one that has been available since the Z-1p. If they care about the technician time, let them put the solution in. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did put the solution in. Or rather, they took the cause out. They eliminated the aperture ring. Problem is the solution above does not apply to the lenses one already owns. Why would you want to apply it to lenses you already own? -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did put the solution in. Or rather, they took the cause out. They eliminated the aperture ring. Problem is the solution above does not apply to the lenses one already owns. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Mark Roberts wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did put the solution in. Or rather, they took the cause out. They eliminated the aperture ring. Problem is the solution above does not apply to the lenses one already owns. Why would you want to apply it to lenses you already own? (That is to say, why would you want to remove aperture rings from lenses you already own?) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
John Francis wrote: These shots (which many here have seen before) were taken using a monopod and the monster zoom. In fact a good number of my motorsports shots were taken with the 300/f2.8 (with or without the 1.7x AF adapter) or the big zoom, and I almost always use a monopod with them. http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/PortlandPitStop.jpg http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/CityStreets.jpg Beauty, John. Those are great shots. I'm working corners for the Tuesday practice day at Road Atlanta for the Petit le Mans. That nets me basically an all areas, all times pass for the entire event. ;- Last year I managed to get out to the wall outside T1 for the start of the race and captured this one: http://nutdriver.org/Wreck/PlM05-08-06_web.jpg It's actually one of a sequence that's described at http://nutdriver.org/Wreck/Narrative.shtml Hopefully it will be equally useful this year. :-) I finally put together about a dozen of my favorite race shots and put them on my flickr account ... I'll get a real gallery going sometime soon ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/nutdriverlefty/sets/72157594279961969/ -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
--- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Francis wrote: These shots (which many here have seen before) were taken using a monopod and the monster zoom. In fact a good number of my motorsports shots were taken with the 300/f2.8 (with or without the 1.7x AF adapter) or the big zoom, and I almost always use a monopod with them. http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/PortlandPitStop.jpg http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/CityStreets.jpg Beauty, John. Those are great shots. I'm working Here, here. The first with all of the fumes rising up toward the top right of the frame...excellent, really striking. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
At 01:52 PM 17/09/2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Are we still debating this? No, were discussing it, because some people still don't feel comfortable with on body aperture control. On Sep 16, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Using a dial on a camera body to control the aperture is nuts to me. I don't see it as an advantage either. To me it seems cumbersome and ridiculous. Six years ago I felt the same way. But now I find the on-body control of aperture and shutter speed more useful: it proves to be faster and easier with less hand movement to achieve what I want. I feel the same way, but my preference isn't everyone's, so I don't whine about it when others voice their opinions. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Are we still debating this? On Sep 16, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Using a dial on a camera body to control the aperture is nuts to me. I don't see it as an advantage either. To me it seems cumbersome and ridiculous. Six years ago I felt the same way. But now I find the on-body control of aperture and shutter speed more useful: it proves to be faster and easier with less hand movement to achieve what I want. Overall, however, it really doesn't matter to me at all anymore. I use several different cameras and adapt to whatever controls they have, use them with equal facility. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
At 01:56 PM 17/09/2006, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 17/09/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had both at the same time. I don't recall that the A50/1.4 was substantially smaller than the FA50/1.4, or any lighter. Personally, I prefer the FA model, but the A model was a fine lens too. It definitely felt larger to use, having to move further forward to access the focus ring may have made it feel larger than it actually is. In any case I had both and I ended up keeping the FA when I rationalized my collection, see my 50's before the sell off (the two lenses in question are at the front): http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP18869.jpg Only six remain ;-) That harem of f1.2's looks great. How many do you have left again? Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:56 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: I had both at the same time. I don't recall that the A50/1.4 was substantially smaller than the FA50/1.4, or any lighter. Personally, I prefer the FA model, but the A model was a fine lens too. It definitely felt larger to use, having to move further forward to access the focus ring may have made it feel larger than it actually is. In any case I had both and I ended up keeping the FA when I rationalized my collection, see my 50's before the sell off (the two lenses in question are at the front): http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP18869.jpg From the picture, they seem about the same overall diameter. The A has a stepped front and a wider focusing ring, further back on the mount. To my hands, that gives me a little more room to grip the FA lens and work the focusing ring with my fingertips when I'm manual focusing. But it's horses for courses. Only six remain ;-) Only two remain in my collection. FA50/1.4 and A50/2.8 Macro. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
I have finally inventoried all my PK lenses, and I have a total Of 47. 37 Pentax, 10 third party. The pentax are mostly All primes, K/M. Am I crazy or any others of you out there With that many (about $6000 worth ) just in Pentax K mount lenses? I think I will be getting a K10D too but I have been so Busy with other things lately I haven't had much time For photography, :( JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Oh, it's cumbersome compared to turning an aperture ring. Your hand is already there to support the lens. Wheels are superfluous when you already have other controls on the body to work like DOF preview, shutter, exposure comp, AF settings, etc. And that's from somebody who's used lenses of all kinds for 20+ years. Why not just let the lens be a lens? Adding one more control on the body seems backwards to me. I mean that was the complaint about the plastic blob cameras of the 90's; they took the simplicity out of photography. I wouldn't touch one of those PZ cameras with a ten foot pole. Pentax listened to those complaints and came out with the ZX-5n which was lauded by everyone as very simple to operate. Perfect layout, nothing got in the way. Now, give that camera a metal body, weather seals and make it digital and I'll shoot with it all day long. Just keep the aperture coupling ;-] -Brendan --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may not like it. You're entitled to your preferences, as is Rob. But it's neither ridiculous or cumbersome. In fact, it's considerably less cumbersome than an aperture ring. And that's from someone who used aperture rings for forty years. Paul On Sep 17, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Rob...I'm totally with you on this. Using a dial on a camera body to control the aperture is nuts to me. I don't see it as an advantage either. To me it seems cumbersome and ridiculous. -Brendan --- Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/09/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you no longer need the ring to set the aperture. The dial works just fine. It might work fine, but it's not my preference, my preference is to use the aperture ring, as it is on my Mamiya and Leicas. I'm not happy that I am being steered away from my preferential mode of operation, I'm allowed not to like this and I don't see why I shouldn't be able to say so. I don't view the way that things have progressed as good or advantageous to me because they simply aren't. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Bob W wrote: it doesn't seem to work that way. The Olympus lenses designed for the 4/3 cameras seems to be pretty much the same size weight as their 135 equivalents. However, they do seem to be able to do other interesting things, such as a 35-100 fixed f/2 zoom, which is equivalent to a 70-200/2, and a 150/2 - equivalent to 300/2. They make some interesting lenses indeed, but some days ago I had the 35-100 2.0 in my hands, and it weighs even more than my FA 80-200 2.8, which is a heavy beast for my taste. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Thanks! I just showed your mail to my wife, so now she knows that I'm not that bad I've got 1 M-lens, 6 A-lenses, 3 FA-lenses, 2 DA-lenses (and more on its way) and one Sigma 70-300 that I'll give a poor Pentax-using artist I know as soon as I meet her .-) DagT I have finally inventoried all my PK lenses, and I have a total Of 47. 37 Pentax, 10 third party. The pentax are mostly All primes, K/M. Am I crazy or any others of you out there With that many (about $6000 worth ) just in Pentax K mount lenses? I think I will be getting a K10D too but I have been so Busy with other things lately I haven't had much time For photography, :( JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On 17/9/06, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed: If I were one handed I'd agree. I can appreciate how it may be an advantage as you seem to be pretty keen on zoom lenses, that means that all your left hand needs to do is adjust the FL assuming you use AF. It's the same as the green button kludge for older lenses, it works but no one can really argue that it's as practical or convenient as a coupled lens. Actually, good point. I prefer an aperture dial on the camera body for telephoto zooms, but I think I would prefer an aperture ring for wide angles. In fact, as you know, I use the SMC-K15mm 3.5 on the Canon, and using the aperture ring on that is super fast, considering my kludge there is open aperture for focus (if necessary), then stop-down and shoot (in Av). -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On 17/9/06, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed: On 17/09/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aperture ring? For what? You've already forgotten? It's simply one of the two primary controls that photographers have over how a photographic exposure is set. He means the Luddite ring ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Don't know how good the Pentax is but I have three Vivitar/Kiron 28/2 lenses and all quite different. All had sticky diaphragms which were easily fixed and so came quite cheap. First is soft but usable at f2, cleans up nicely at 2.8 and is quite good through the range. Second is worse at f2 and needs 4 to 5.6 to get good. Third is horrible wide open and isn't sharp until f8 but is the sharpest lens at 11 16. Go figure! I'm keeping the first. Any offers for the other two? Powell Hmm. I think I want the A28/2 as well. Much more practical than the Vivitar, although I wonder which is better. We may never know. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On 17/09/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That harem of f1.2's looks great. How many do you have left again? One only, Derby ended up with one of them, he seemed pretty pleased with it. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, Digital Image Studio wrote: I had two A28/2 at one stage, it's a really nice lens to use, I sold it when I bought my 31LTD, wish I hadn't now. Why? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 17/09/06, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? It's a great lens and is very fast for its size (though it's not impractical like some of the Pancakes) plus it's that little bit wider then the 31 (which I do think is excellent). -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
And that's just the PK lenses. I also have a complete set of The SMCT (35mm M42) lenses 17mm thru 1000mm plus a bunch of special Interest M42's that Pentax didn't make. Whew... I need to catalog them next jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 3:43 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies Thanks! I just showed your mail to my wife, so now she knows that I'm not that bad I've got 1 M-lens, 6 A-lenses, 3 FA-lenses, 2 DA-lenses (and more on its way) and one Sigma 70-300 that I'll give a poor Pentax-using artist I know as soon as I meet her .-) DagT I have finally inventoried all my PK lenses, and I have a total Of 47. 37 Pentax, 10 third party. The pentax are mostly All primes, K/M. Am I crazy or any others of you out there With that many (about $6000 worth ) just in Pentax K mount lenses? I think I will be getting a K10D too but I have been so Busy with other things lately I haven't had much time For photography, :( JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Until recently, I never owned a zoom lens. I use them now quite a bit because they provide an inexpensive way to go wide with a DSLR, and the new zooms are quite good. But I focus manually much of the time. That makes an aperture wheel more convenient than a ring. Paul On Sep 17, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 17/09/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may not like it. You're entitled to your preferences, as is Rob. But it's neither ridiculous or cumbersome. In fact, it's considerably less cumbersome than an aperture ring. And that's from someone who used aperture rings for forty years. If I were one handed I'd agree. I can appreciate how it may be an advantage as you seem to be pretty keen on zoom lenses, that means that all your left hand needs to do is adjust the FL assuming you use AF. It's the same as the green button kludge for older lenses, it works but no one can really argue that it's as practical or convenient as a coupled lens. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
I think we'll see some faster primes down the road. These tiny lenses are obviously aimed at the K100 and *ist buyers. Given that the K10D isn't particularly compact, the advantage of small lenses is minimized. But in the end it may well depend on how well the high end zooms sell. If there's a market for premium lenses, we'll probably get them. Paul On Sep 17, 2006, at 1:09 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 17/09/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: Given it's 1/3 of a stop slower, but less expensive than the FA 20/2.8 (About 2/3rds the cost) and a third the size, I really can't see the complaints about the 21 DA. The 70 is quite reasonable too, giving me a replacement for one of my favourite lenses (My 100 f2.8 Series E). The 40 on the other hand is neither fish nor fowl on digital. A fairly useless length and lacking the speed that might make the length less of an issue. What I'm alluding to is that they could likely have produced a truly usable lens of lets say 21/2 or f1.8 for instance given the reduced image circle and it would have likely been no larger than the A20/2.8 -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I have a Vivitar a A-28 f:2, mine is very prone to flare. I don't use it because of this. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 17. september 2006 05:13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies Hmm. I think I want the A28/2 as well. Much more practical than the Vivitar, although I wonder which is better. We may never know. Paul On Sep 16, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Well, now I feel a little better - at least not so alone in my foolishness. Shel [Original Message] From: Digital Image Studio Shel Belinkoff I'd much prefer the SMCP-A 28/2.0 that, for some reason I stupidly sold a year or so back. I found the 28/2.0 to be a bit soft at the edges until f4.0, but after that quite nice throughout the range. I had two A28/2 at one stage, it's a really nice lens to use, I sold it when I bought my 31LTD, wish I hadn't now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
I eventually sell all the lenses I don't use. I've owned at least fifty PK lenses but now have about a dozen. Most of the A, FA or DA, although a few oldies, like the K85/1.8 and K135/2.5, are too good to part with. On Sep 17, 2006, at 2:30 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I have finally inventoried all my PK lenses, and I have a total Of 47. 37 Pentax, 10 third party. The pentax are mostly All primes, K/M. Am I crazy or any others of you out there With that many (about $6000 worth ) just in Pentax K mount lenses? I think I will be getting a K10D too but I have been so Busy with other things lately I haven't had much time For photography, :( JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Kiron did make a quite good 28/2 in K mount. You may want to look around to see if there is an SMC-A version of it (Mine's in plain K mount). I'm not entirely sure, but suspect the Vivitar 28/2 is also the same design. I've got a Kiron-built Vivitar 28/2. Unusably soft and has very poor contrast at f/2, but becomes pretty good by f/2.8. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Paul Stenquist wrote: I eventually sell all the lenses I don't use. I've owned at least fifty PK lenses but now have about a dozen. I'm pretty much the same way. Here's my current list: 31mm f/1.8 Limited 43mm f/1.9 Limited 77mm f/1.8 Limited K 15mm f/3.5 A 20mm f/2.8 FA*24mm f/2.0 FA 28mm f/2.8 FA 50mm f/1.4 M 50mm f/1.4 F 100mm f/2.8 Macro FA*28-70 f/2.8 FA*80-200 f/2.8 FA 24-90 f/3.5-4.5 Plus the Tamron 17-35, Vivitar 70-210 S1 and the Sigma EX300/2.8 Anything I don't use gets sold, as does anything that doesn't measure up in terms of optical performance. Life is too short to use second-rate glass :) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
If I were one handed I'd agree. I can appreciate how it may be an advantage as you seem to be pretty keen on zoom lenses, that means that all your left hand needs to do is adjust the FL assuming you use AF. It's the same as the green button kludge for older lenses, it works but no one can really argue that it's as practical or convenient as a coupled lens. It *sorta* works. As I've argued before, it doesn't work when stopping down the lens bottoms out the camera's light meter. It also doesn't work when you use an aftermarket split-prism focus screen when stopped down past f/5.6-f/8 or so. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On 17/09/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything I don't use gets sold, as does anything that doesn't measure up in terms of optical performance. Life is too short to use second-rate glass :) I'm pretty much the same though I do have two Pentax lenses on cameras in a glass case. I had a big sell off over a few years and reduced what was truly an out of control collection down to what is not a good utilitarian set of very well performing lenses which I would hate to have to replace now: Pentax 1 x A convertor 1 x F convertor 1 x screw lens (display) 1 x M lens (display) 6 x A lens 3 x A* lens 4 x FA lens (2 x LTD) 1 x FA* lens 1 x DA lens Non-Pentax K 1 x A lens -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Brendan MacRae wrote: Reduced complexity in the lens perhaps, and added complexity into the body. Actually, there's no added complexity to the body because the body is going to be made capable of controlling the aperture anyway (for program and shutter-preferred autoexposure). -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul Stenquist wrote: If there's a market for premium lenses, we'll probably get them. It sounds obvious when you put it that way, doesn't it? g BTW, Check out Mike J's latest: http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2006/09/worlds-one-and-only.html -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 17/09/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there's no added complexity to the body because the body is going to be made capable of controlling the aperture anyway (for program and shutter-preferred autoexposure). Well they would have to add a very complex and extremely expensive positional feedback sensor ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/17/06 9:47 AM, Digital Image Studio, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A classic from the comments section of the linked article: Daniel Liu said... It's cool, but I still don't see the point of having a 40mm digital lens. I think 5-10mm shorter and it'd sell like pancakes. And am I the only one that thinks it looks weird when the grip extends farther than the lens? 40mm DA was designed specifically to follow the pattern of FA40mm which became popular as a true pancake in 35mm SLR. That's what the designer said. So, it does not sound like they had any specific goal in mind other than to create the former 40mm in a DA incarnation, also taking advantage of the elimination of the focusing ring. It sounded almost like designers experimented how compact a lens they can make as a precursor to the DA compacts that followed. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Sep 17, 2006, at 4:59 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I eventually sell all the lenses I don't use. I've owned at least fifty PK lenses but now have about a dozen. Most of the A, FA or DA, although a few oldies, like the K85/1.8 and K135/2.5, are too good to part with. I do the same. I've only been using Pentax gear for a year and a half and have owned/used, briefly, over 30 different lenses. What I have now is the small set of the latest series lenses that I use a lot ... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 17/09/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: If there's a market for premium lenses, we'll probably get them. It sounds obvious when you put it that way, doesn't it? g BTW, Check out Mike J's latest: http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2006/09/worlds-one-and-only.html A classic from the comments section of the linked article: Daniel Liu said... It's cool, but I still don't see the point of having a 40mm digital lens. I think 5-10mm shorter and it'd sell like pancakes. And am I the only one that thinks it looks weird when the grip extends farther than the lens? -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/17/06, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/09/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there's no added complexity to the body because the body is going to be made capable of controlling the aperture anyway (for program and shutter-preferred autoexposure). Well they would have to add a very complex and extremely expensive positional feedback sensor ;-) I though it was only a $5 part?! Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 18/09/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone posted recently that it wasn't a potentiometer, as had been believed by most of us, but a stepped resistor assembly and thus probably quite a bit more expensive than originally thought. That was me, it was a printed stepped resistor, thin glass board the gold plated contacts overprinted with resistive film. However it would now be very easy and economical to do it with a printed optical grey code position sensor with 6 bits (f1.2 to f45 in 1/6th f-stops). -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/17/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Savage wrote: On 9/17/06, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well they would have to add a very complex and extremely expensive positional feedback sensor ;-) I though it was only a $5 part?! Someone posted recently that it wasn't a potentiometer, as had been believed by most of us, but a stepped resistor assembly and thus probably quite a bit more expensive than originally thought. Oh OK. 8 bucks then. Dave (I forgot the smiley first time around...:-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
David Savage wrote: On 9/17/06, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/09/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there's no added complexity to the body because the body is going to be made capable of controlling the aperture anyway (for program and shutter-preferred autoexposure). Well they would have to add a very complex and extremely expensive positional feedback sensor ;-) I though it was only a $5 part?! Someone posted recently that it wasn't a potentiometer, as had been believed by most of us, but a stepped resistor assembly and thus probably quite a bit more expensive than originally thought. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Cory Papenfuss wrote: Kiron did make a quite good 28/2 in K mount. You may want to look around to see if there is an SMC-A version of it (Mine's in plain K mount). I'm not entirely sure, but suspect the Vivitar 28/2 is also the same design. I've got a Kiron-built Vivitar 28/2. Unusably soft and has very poor contrast at f/2, but becomes pretty good by f/2.8. -Cory Mine's Kiron branded. It's pretty good apart from some bloom issues. Even better on film. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
J. C. O'Connell wrote: I have finally inventoried all my PK lenses, and I have a total Of 47. 37 Pentax, 10 third party. The pentax are mostly All primes, K/M. Am I crazy or any others of you out there With that many (about $6000 worth ) just in Pentax K mount lenses? I think I will be getting a K10D too but I have been so Busy with other things lately I haven't had much time For photography, :( JCO I think Aaron has got you beat with one lens. 400/2.8's aren't cheap ;-) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
JCO, I'm crazy too, stopped counting after 50+ primes, not including F or FA lenses. I am still looking for an A28 f2.0 and K28/2.0, otherwise I've got most of the K, M, A line, except... never got into the fish-eyes @ 17mm or the soft focus lenses (85mm) don't have any examples of the 28mm f3.5's or 35/3.5's don't have anything longer than 400mm Regards, Bob S. On 9/17/06, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have finally inventoried all my PK lenses, and I have a total Of 47. 37 Pentax, 10 third party. The pentax are mostly All primes, K/M. Am I crazy or any others of you out there With that many (about $6000 worth ) just in Pentax K mount lenses? I think I will be getting a K10D too but I have been so Busy with other things lately I haven't had much time For photography, :( JCO -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
I have the Kiron made Vivitar 24/2.0 in K-mount which I like a lot. Sharp enough for me (that professionally acceptable thing again) even wide open. BTW on DSLR that would be the equivalent of the 35/2.0 that is my most used lens on the film cameras. Now if someone wants to donate an istD (or a K10D for that matter) I will gladly deal with the green button kludge grin. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Powell Hargrave wrote: Don't know how good the Pentax is but I have three Vivitar/Kiron 28/2 lenses and all quite different. All had sticky diaphragms which were easily fixed and so came quite cheap. First is soft but usable at f2, cleans up nicely at 2.8 and is quite good through the range. Second is worse at f2 and needs 4 to 5.6 to get good. Third is horrible wide open and isn't sharp until f8 but is the sharpest lens at 11 16. Go figure! I'm keeping the first. Any offers for the other two? Powell Hmm. I think I want the A28/2 as well. Much more practical than the Vivitar, although I wonder which is better. We may never know. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Actually I do not think it is on body aperture control that bothers most of us. It is not being able to use the lens on our old cameras, and having no choice but learning something that provides no improvement in our output. But I guess the way to get that point across is by not buying something that does not work the way we want it to. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- David Savage wrote: At 01:52 PM 17/09/2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Are we still debating this? No, were discussing it, because some people still don't feel comfortable with on body aperture control. On Sep 16, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Using a dial on a camera body to control the aperture is nuts to me. I don't see it as an advantage either. To me it seems cumbersome and ridiculous. Six years ago I felt the same way. But now I find the on-body control of aperture and shutter speed more useful: it proves to be faster and easier with less hand movement to achieve what I want. I feel the same way, but my preference isn't everyone's, so I don't whine about it when others voice their opinions. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Yeah, the Vivitar 24/2.0 is too, you just have to be careful how you use it. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Tim Øsleby wrote: I have a Vivitar a A-28 f:2, mine is very prone to flare. I don't use it because of this. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 17. september 2006 05:13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies Hmm. I think I want the A28/2 as well. Much more practical than the Vivitar, although I wonder which is better. We may never know. Paul On Sep 16, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Well, now I feel a little better - at least not so alone in my foolishness. Shel [Original Message] From: Digital Image Studio Shel Belinkoff I'd much prefer the SMCP-A 28/2.0 that, for some reason I stupidly sold a year or so back. I found the 28/2.0 to be a bit soft at the edges until f4.0, but after that quite nice throughout the range. I had two A28/2 at one stage, it's a really nice lens to use, I sold it when I bought my 31LTD, wish I hadn't now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, K.Takeshita wrote: 40mm DA was designed specifically to follow the pattern of FA40mm which became popular as a true pancake in 35mm SLR. There is no FA40. There is no A or F either. The M40/2.8 was a gimmicky kind of thing, but at least the FL was interesting on the 135mm negative. I find the DA40/2.8 to be mind-boggling. Has it sold well? Kostas p.s.: All the pancake lenses llok wierd to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Did I miss something here? If any feature or setting is added you create more complexity. It may be relative, but it is there none-the-less. -Brendan --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brendan MacRae wrote: Reduced complexity in the lens perhaps, and added complexity into the body. Actually, there's no added complexity to the body because the body is going to be made capable of controlling the aperture anyway (for program and shutter-preferred autoexposure). -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Ken I guess you are tired... it not an FA40 but an SMC-M 40 and the focussing ring really didn't dispeared.. but the aperture one did ;) 2006/9/17, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 9/17/06 9:47 AM, Digital Image Studio, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A classic from the comments section of the linked article: Daniel Liu said... It's cool, but I still don't see the point of having a 40mm digital lens. I think 5-10mm shorter and it'd sell like pancakes. And am I the only one that thinks it looks weird when the grip extends farther than the lens? 40mm DA was designed specifically to follow the pattern of FA40mm which became popular as a true pancake in 35mm SLR. That's what the designer said. So, it does not sound like they had any specific goal in mind other than to create the former 40mm in a DA incarnation, also taking advantage of the elimination of the focusing ring. It sounded almost like designers experimented how compact a lens they can make as a precursor to the DA compacts that followed. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 11:48:56PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: Oh, it's cumbersome compared to turning an aperture ring. Your hand is already there to support the lens. As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. It may be on the focus adjustment, it may just be supporting the lens (or steadying it, if you're using a monopod). But the one place it won't be is at the back of the lens, near the camera body. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On 9/17/06 1:22 PM, Kostas Kavoussanakis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The M40/2.8 My bad! Forgot it was that old. I tend to be sloppy on the lenses I parted a long time ago :-). Several years ago, I rode on the hype, bought this lens and used it almost exclusively with MZ-M (which I bought almost for this purpose), It was truly pocketable (particularly in cooler seasons with many good size pockets). Performance was so and so but it was a great snapper, saving me having to buy an Elph :-). It was the pancake for the sake of pancake. I find the DA40/2.8 to be mind-boggling. Has it sold well? I do not know but I thought it was rather a novelty. Kostas p.s.: All the pancake lenses llok wierd to me. So, do they to me too. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? WAS: RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 10:50:47AM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: J. C. O'Connell wrote: I have finally inventoried all my PK lenses, and I have a total Of 47. 37 Pentax, 10 third party. The pentax are mostly All primes, K/M. Am I crazy or any others of you out there With that many (about $6000 worth ) just in Pentax K mount lenses? I think I will be getting a K10D too but I have been so Busy with other things lately I haven't had much time For photography, :( JCO I think Aaron has got you beat with one lens. 400/2.8's aren't cheap ;-) I think there are still a couple of 600/f4 owners here, too. And I've got the 250-600/f5.6 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
It could be because I don't have a suited hood ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 17. september 2006 19:07 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies Yeah, the Vivitar 24/2.0 is too, you just have to be careful how you use it. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Tim Øsleby wrote: I have a Vivitar a A-28 f:2, mine is very prone to flare. I don't use it because of this. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 17. september 2006 05:13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies Hmm. I think I want the A28/2 as well. Much more practical than the Vivitar, although I wonder which is better. We may never know. Paul On Sep 16, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Well, now I feel a little better - at least not so alone in my foolishness. Shel [Original Message] From: Digital Image Studio Shel Belinkoff I'd much prefer the SMCP-A 28/2.0 that, for some reason I stupidly sold a year or so back. I found the 28/2.0 to be a bit soft at the edges until f4.0, but after that quite nice throughout the range. I had two A28/2 at one stage, it's a really nice lens to use, I sold it when I bought my 31LTD, wish I hadn't now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
But the Vivitar Series 1 is an entirely different animal. It's multi- coated, although still not quite as good as Pentax coatings. Paul On Sep 17, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: I have a Vivitar a A-28 f:2, mine is very prone to flare. I don't use it because of this. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 17. september 2006 05:13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies Hmm. I think I want the A28/2 as well. Much more practical than the Vivitar, although I wonder which is better. We may never know. Paul On Sep 16, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Well, now I feel a little better - at least not so alone in my foolishness. Shel [Original Message] From: Digital Image Studio Shel Belinkoff I'd much prefer the SMCP-A 28/2.0 that, for some reason I stupidly sold a year or so back. I found the 28/2.0 to be a bit soft at the edges until f4.0, but after that quite nice throughout the range. I had two A28/2 at one stage, it's a really nice lens to use, I sold it when I bought my 31LTD, wish I hadn't now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On 9/17/06 1:35 PM, Thibouille, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken I guess you are tired... it not an FA40 but an SMC-M 40 and the focussing ring really didn't dispeared.. but the aperture one did ;) It was early Sunday morning before a cup of coffee :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
--- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
--- graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I do not think it is on body aperture control that bothers most of us. It is not being able to use the lens on our old cameras, Yeah, that's a bummer since I've heard a lot of good comments about the DA glass. and having no choice but learning something that provides no improvement in our output. Right. But I guess the way to get that point across is by not buying something that does not work the way we want it to. Well, so far I haven't purchased any DA or FAJ lenses simply because I have no camera body to accomodate them. That will change with K10D but I wonder how long it will be before I cave. I suppose it depends on what my images look like with my older lenses and if shooting Aperture Priority the new way doesn't make me throw the camera out the window. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
John Francis wrote: On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 11:48:56PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: Oh, it's cumbersome compared to turning an aperture ring. Your hand is already there to support the lens. As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. It may be on the focus adjustment, it may just be supporting the lens (or steadying it, if you're using a monopod). But the one place it won't be is at the back of the lens, near the camera body. And with many long telephotos - the FA*80-200/2.8 comes to mind - the aperture ring is damned difficult to get at when you have the battery grip on the camera and/or you're using a tripod. This was one of the reasons I decided to sell my MZ-S a couple of months ago; it was just so inconvenient using the aperture ring with several of the lenses I use a lot and the MZ-S had a single-dial control system. Despite its other strong points, I regarded this as a major ergonomic failure of the MZ-S and I really missed it when I sold my PZ-1p. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
You can't really shoot aperture priority using an aperture ring with the K10D. You will get only wide open ap priority. You'll have to shoot manual exposure, using the green button. If you have A lenses or FA lenses, you can of course use them with the aperture ring in the A position. Paul On Sep 17, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I do not think it is on body aperture control that bothers most of us. It is not being able to use the lens on our old cameras, Yeah, that's a bummer since I've heard a lot of good comments about the DA glass. and having no choice but learning something that provides no improvement in our output. Right. But I guess the way to get that point across is by not buying something that does not work the way we want it to. Well, so far I haven't purchased any DA or FAJ lenses simply because I have no camera body to accomodate them. That will change with K10D but I wonder how long it will be before I cave. I suppose it depends on what my images look like with my older lenses and if shooting Aperture Priority the new way doesn't make me throw the camera out the window. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:09:22AM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan Try steadying a 600mm lens sometime (the recommended fashion is with your hand applying slight pressure on the top of the lens hood). That's not near by any stretch of imagination. (And, in any case, your other hand is much nearer; if distance is the sole criterion you should adjust the aperture with your right hand). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Many of the lesser Vivitar lenses, especially the Kiron production, are MC too. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: But the Vivitar Series 1 is an entirely different animal. It's multi- coated, although still not quite as good as Pentax coatings. Paul On Sep 17, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: I have a Vivitar a A-28 f:2, mine is very prone to flare. I don't use it because of this. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 17. september 2006 05:13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies Hmm. I think I want the A28/2 as well. Much more practical than the Vivitar, although I wonder which is better. We may never know. Paul On Sep 16, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Well, now I feel a little better - at least not so alone in my foolishness. Shel [Original Message] From: Digital Image Studio Shel Belinkoff I'd much prefer the SMCP-A 28/2.0 that, for some reason I stupidly sold a year or so back. I found the 28/2.0 to be a bit soft at the edges until f4.0, but after that quite nice throughout the range. I had two A28/2 at one stage, it's a really nice lens to use, I sold it when I bought my 31LTD, wish I hadn't now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan Certainly not on my 180/2.8 Nikkor, and even less so on a longer lens. Often enough with long glass the camera hand will be far closer to the aperture ring than the lens hand. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Sun, 17 Sep 2006, K.Takeshita wrote: 40mm DA was designed specifically to follow the pattern of FA40mm which became popular as a true pancake in 35mm SLR. There is no FA40. There is no A or F either. The M40/2.8 was a gimmicky kind of thing, but at least the FL was interesting on the 135mm negative. I find the DA40/2.8 to be mind-boggling. Has it sold well? Kostas p.s.: All the pancake lenses llok wierd to me. I Like 40mm on film. Shoot it moderately often with my Canonet. 60mm on the other hand is something I can't really see. The DA 40 is known to cover a 35mm frame. IIRC there is a big fan of it on film lurking around here somewhere. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Av mode works just fine with M42 glass ;-) -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: You can't really shoot aperture priority using an aperture ring with the K10D. You will get only wide open ap priority. You'll have to shoot manual exposure, using the green button. If you have A lenses or FA lenses, you can of course use them with the aperture ring in the A position. Paul On Sep 17, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I do not think it is on body aperture control that bothers most of us. It is not being able to use the lens on our old cameras, Yeah, that's a bummer since I've heard a lot of good comments about the DA glass. and having no choice but learning something that provides no improvement in our output. Right. But I guess the way to get that point across is by not buying something that does not work the way we want it to. Well, so far I haven't purchased any DA or FAJ lenses simply because I have no camera body to accomodate them. That will change with K10D but I wonder how long it will be before I cave. I suppose it depends on what my images look like with my older lenses and if shooting Aperture Priority the new way doesn't make me throw the camera out the window. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
On 18/09/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And with many long telephotos - the FA*80-200/2.8 comes to mind - the aperture ring is damned difficult to get at when you have the battery grip on the camera and/or you're using a tripod. This was one of the reasons I decided to sell my MZ-S a couple of months ago; it was just so inconvenient using the aperture ring with several of the lenses I use a lot and the MZ-S had a single-dial control system. Despite its other strong points, I regarded this as a major ergonomic failure of the MZ-S and I really missed it when I sold my PZ-1p. Interesting, I don't have the grip, I don't often shoot longer than 200 (if I did I'd probably own a Canon system by now) and most often I'm shooting with compact prime lenses. So in my case aperture priority on the lens is quite viable. Or rather it would be if the camera had aperture coupling and didn't have that ridiculous overhanging RTF (I've thought of sawing it off my *ist now that it's worth little more than a paper weight). Now wouldn't it be just dandy if the user had the choice to operate both ways? This is my point, not that one mode of operation is far superior that the other but that the exclusion of one mode of operation has eliminated a comfortable mode of operation for some of us when both modes could readily be accommodated. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? -Brendan --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:09:22AM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan Try steadying a 600mm lens sometime (the recommended fashion is with your hand applying slight pressure on the top of the lens hood). That's not near by any stretch of imagination. (And, in any case, your other hand is much nearer; if distance is the sole criterion you should adjust the aperture with your right hand). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
I agree 100% with that statement. ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Digital Image Studio Now wouldn't it be just dandy if the user had the choice to operate both ways? This is my point, not that one mode of operation is far superior that the other but that the exclusion of one mode of operation has eliminated a comfortable mode of operation for some of us when both modes could readily be accommodated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
They didn't use it because the 4/3 system is part of a Kodak consortium, of the same type that brought us APS film,.and to a lesser extent the New 110, and 126 cartridge films from he 60's and 70's. Olympus had to work within that framework. Adam Maas wrote: I do kinda wonder why they didn't use a variation of that mount for 4/3rds. -Adam Doug Miles wrote: Seems we've visited this place before... Reminding me there was a 38mm f/1.8, 40mm f/1.4, 60mm f/1.5, and 70mm f/2 all made for 18x24mm coverage... by Olympus for the Pen F. They didn't do as much with wide angles; their fast 25mm coming in at f/2.8. Unfortunately these lenses are not applicable to today's dSLRs since their back-focus is too short, about the same as for an M-Leica. Mi Doug On 09/16/06 14:21, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I'd like to see a lens somewhere in the 55-60mm range with a max aperture between 1.2 and 2.0, and a fast 35mm sort of like a fast 50mm on 35mm film. -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Enough of us to point out the problems inherent in your (quite frankly tiresome and arrogant) insistence that the way *you* happen to want to use your camera is the only way that any sentient being could possibly consider. You're by no means the first poster to storm onto this list and, without ever having tried the alternative, castigated Pentax for making a choice different from yours. If you'd claimed that the interface of the PZ bodies (which gave the user the choice) was what Pentax should have done, you might have found more support. But if they're only going to provide one way of working, then your preference for the aperture ring isn't the universally superior technique you seem to believe. I *did* point out that the problem was only significant with long-ish telephoto lenses (it's an issue with any lens of 200m or greater focal length, not just a 600mm). But still you denied that there could ever be a problem because your hand must be near the aperture ring. On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 04:36:16PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? -Brendan --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:09:22AM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan Try steadying a 600mm lens sometime (the recommended fashion is with your hand applying slight pressure on the top of the lens hood). That's not near by any stretch of imagination. (And, in any case, your other hand is much nearer; if distance is the sole criterion you should adjust the aperture with your right hand). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
Medication time John, medication time ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: 18. september 2006 01:51 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies Enough of us to point out the problems inherent in your (quite frankly tiresome and arrogant) insistence that the way *you* happen to want to use your camera is the only way that any sentient being could possibly consider. You're by no means the first poster to storm onto this list and, without ever having tried the alternative, castigated Pentax for making a choice different from yours. If you'd claimed that the interface of the PZ bodies (which gave the user the choice) was what Pentax should have done, you might have found more support. But if they're only going to provide one way of working, then your preference for the aperture ring isn't the universally superior technique you seem to believe. I *did* point out that the problem was only significant with long-ish telephoto lenses (it's an issue with any lens of 200m or greater focal length, not just a 600mm). But still you denied that there could ever be a problem because your hand must be near the aperture ring. On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 04:36:16PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: How many of us are using 600mm lenses...handheld or otherwise? -Brendan --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 11:09:22AM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As has been pointed out many times in the past, that's incorrect if you're using a long-ish telephoto; your hand is nowhere near the aperture ring. nowhere near? If your hand is on the lens it is, by pure definition, near the aperture ring. -Brendan Try steadying a 600mm lens sometime (the recommended fashion is with your hand applying slight pressure on the top of the lens hood). That's not near by any stretch of imagination. (And, in any case, your other hand is much nearer; if distance is the sole criterion you should adjust the aperture with your right hand). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't really shoot aperture priority using an aperture ring with the K10D. You will get only wide open ap priority. You'll have to shoot manual exposure, using the green button. If you have A lenses or FA lenses, you can of course use them with the aperture ring in the A position. Paul Yes, I understand that. That's why I said shooting Aperture Priority the 'new' way in my post. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50/1.4 or 1.2 for the DSLR Bodies
I sympathise, but I'd have to admit my agreement is less than 100% If we're going to have aperture controlled by a ring on the lens, then what else? Exposure compensation by a control near the lens mount, or beneath the ISO dial? A shutter speed knob on the top of the camera, rather than a finger wheel? (At least I doubt if too many people would want the up/down buttons of the ME Super). Camera interfaces change. [I'd actually have liked an ISO dial on my *ist-D, but that's opening a whole different can of worms]. When I was using a PZ-1p I did occasionally use the aperture ring on my lenses (even the later FA ones; on the pre-A lenses I had no choice, of course). There are times when it was handy. And if it were available on the *ist-D or K10D I expect that I'd use it occasionally, too. But I can see the argument for simplifying the interface (and it's a lot more than just the cost of the mechanical linkage). On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 04:31:03PM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I agree 100% with that statement. ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Digital Image Studio Now wouldn't it be just dandy if the user had the choice to operate both ways? This is my point, not that one mode of operation is far superior that the other but that the exclusion of one mode of operation has eliminated a comfortable mode of operation for some of us when both modes could readily be accommodated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
