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Wow! Did not realize that my shots had made a second round on the list. I guess one good thing about sitting out the tropical storm at home - allowed me to catch up with the list. It was a blast. I am definitely looking forward to next year, especially as I will have to miss this years Camera Clinic on the mountain. Tropical Storm Bonnie has reached landfall east of me. The worst is over. Just rain - still no high winds. Lets see what Hurrican Charley will bring in the next day or two, Cesar Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital These were great shots, Jostein! Thanks to you and César for the picture story of GFM '04... Lasted thru two cups o'tea this early morning...a pleasant journey indeed! g keith whaley Jostein wrote: Credits goes to César Matamoros for producing our propaganda series. We mingled successfully with ordinary Pentax users at GFM this year while making gruesome plans on what to do if our high expectations to Photokina are not fulfilled. I will not go into details... César's cover story for the commando group can be seen here: http://optiopics.homestead.com/npwgfm2004.html Caveman wrote: LOL ! Great shots ! Jostein wrote: Actually, Caveman, we disguised ourselves as easter bunnies: http://optiopics.homestead.com/gfm2004/IMGP8186.JPG and did it with a 1000mm: http://optiopics.homestead.com/gfm2004/IMGP8255.jpg
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On 12/8/04, Cesar Matamoros II, discombobulated, offered: Lets see what Hurrican Charley will bring in the next day or two, looks like a good one Cesar, batten down! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
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I guess that Pentax Japan does read at least some discussion forums. Whether this includes the PDML I do not know. Maybe the Japanese formus are sufficient input. I guess that the Japanese Pentax fans do have similar wishes and complaints as we do. However, I do know for sure that Pentax Japan communicates with the Pentax subsidiaries throughout the world that are responsible for selling what Pentax produces. They do tell Pentax Japan what product they think they need. Pentax Japan listens, and in some cases even reacts as has been asked for. So if there is something that we (e.g. the PDML) want, we need to try and convince Pentax subsidiaries to fight for us. This has happened, and it has worked. Thank you, Pentax! Arnold Kenneth Waller schrieb: Because someone is (at) Pentax is known (or at least believed :-) to read this discussion list, there's a tendency to imagine we're an important factor in the Pentax decision-making procedure. I wonder if anyone on the list has any reason to believe this is true, at least from Pentax USA? I've been a follower of the list since back when Pentax sponsored the list and even then never got an inkling they paid attention to us. I remember asking this of one of the higher ups @ Pentax USA and he said in so many words they had to take what Pentax Japan gave them. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital I agree. Because someone is Pentax is known (or at least believed :-) to read this discussion list, there's a tendency to imagine we're an important factor in the Pentax decision-making procedure. Personally I think this is pretty much wishful thinking - I'm not sure I'd want to be thought responsible for many of the decisions coming from Pentax. But if we're going to claim credit, then I'd just like to remind the list members that I described *exactly* the technique Pentax now use (right down to suggesting which button to use) back when we were first discussing the *ist-D, as the best that could be achieved in firmware. It's hard to say. The upgrade may have been in response to complaints here and elsewhere, it may have been an oversight, or just a matter of continuing development. In any case, I'm very pleased with the *istD. I can produce very nice 12 x 18 prints if I shot RAW and res-up in PhotoShop CS during RAW conversion. Paul On Aug 8, 2004, at 11:02 AM, Caveman wrote: Thanks, I was not aware of the firmware update. How did this happen, did PDML send to Pentax headquarters a commando that banged them in the head with tripods and 600mm lenses ? Paul Stenquist wrote: All of your pentax lenses are useable on the *istD. I have some FA lenses, but I prefer many of my K-series versions and shoot with them. The first release *istD did not have the necessary firmware to meter with K lenses. The new ones do, and they work fine.
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Credits goes to César Matamoros for producing our propaganda series. We mingled successfully with ordinary Pentax users at GFM this year while making gruesome plans on what to do if our high expectations to Photokina are not fulfilled. I will not go into details... César's cover story for the commando group can be seen here: http://optiopics.homestead.com/npwgfm2004.html Jostein Caveman wrote: LOL ! Great shots ! Jostein wrote: Actually, Caveman, we disguised ourselves as easter bunnies: http://optiopics.homestead.com/gfm2004/IMGP8186.JPG and did it with a 1000mm: http://optiopics.homestead.com/gfm2004/IMGP8255.jpg
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Norm's a Texan. He uses a 6x7 'cause it's the biggest damn SLR he can get. vbg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/8/2004 11:55:20 PM --- Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I did it. snip Say it ain't so, Joe... So, who's left, me and Norm? -frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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I never noticed this, but I never use really small apertures. I'll have to try this tonight. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/9/2004 5:00:35 AM Steve Desjardins wrote on 09.08.04 1:18: I don't hesitate to use K or M lenses on the *istD. I just bought a K 300. The green button mode is quick and easy once you do it a few times. It is very useful, bu only as long as you don't use small apertures. In this case light level passing through lens and closed diaphragm can be insufficient for metering system (it works from EV 1). So using green button on *istD with older lenses for shots in darker places (sunsets?) and with large DOF = small apertures, you'll get exposure errors. Otherwise it works just fine. -- Best Regards Sylwek
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Steve said: Norm's a Texan. He uses a 6x7 'cause it's the biggest damn SLR he can get. vbg And I always go for the small cameras. Which just goes to prove that even living here for 20+ years will not make me a Texan. g ERN
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Alas, the only credit I can collect for those is being there. César's page is great! Doug Franklin was generous enough to collect a whole page of links to the GFM participants' websites. From there you'll need a whole pot of fermented leaf extract to last you through...:-) http://www.nutdriver.org/GFM2004.shtml Cheers, Jostein - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital These were great shots, Jostein! Thanks to you and César for the picture story of GFM '04... Lasted thru two cups o'tea this early morning...a pleasant journey indeed! g keith whaley Jostein wrote: Credits goes to César Matamoros for producing our propaganda series. We mingled successfully with ordinary Pentax users at GFM this year while making gruesome plans on what to do if our high expectations to Photokina are not fulfilled. I will not go into details... César's cover story for the commando group can be seen here: http://optiopics.homestead.com/npwgfm2004.html Caveman wrote: LOL ! Great shots ! Jostein wrote: Actually, Caveman, we disguised ourselves as easter bunnies: http://optiopics.homestead.com/gfm2004/IMGP8186.JPG and did it with a 1000mm: http://optiopics.homestead.com/gfm2004/IMGP8255.jpg
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I have seen my investment in K mount lenses go out the window when Pentax decided against full compatibility. How does K M lenses/non-A work on the *ist D (firmware 1.1. installed)? Do I have to focus and shoot stopped down (like with an old, preset lens) - with a dark vievfinder? What else wount work? I have five or six very nice K or M lenses (35-300mm) that I would want to keep on using. I have Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jim Apilado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. august 2004 04:40 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Caveman goes digital Like you, I have seen my investment in K mount lenses go out the window when Pentax decided against full compatibility. I don't care that Pentax came out with firmware that partially corrects the compatibility issue. About the only thing that Pentax has done that is correct is use AA batteries as the power source. I have the Optio 230 which also uses AA batteries. Recently got the tiny Sony U40 that takes AAA batteries. It only takes nine tenths of a second to fire the camera up, much faster than the Pentax. I haven't given up on film. I love slides. I love stereo slides. Jim A. From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:28:59 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Caveman goes digital Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:28:02 -0400 Ok, I did it. It was time to replace the Olympus Mju II PS with something that doesn't eat film, and after considering Canon S60, Sony V1 and Pentax Optio 555, I've decided on the Canon. Before you cry foul, you should hear that the main arguments were the sliding cover design and the zoom starting at 5.8mm (28mm equivalent). So now I have some questions - not brand specific. I've read that some people preffer to use these digi PS with a low sharpening setting and the lowest ISO, and do the sharpening later in Photoshop or whatever. Their claim is that the sharpening is more gently done this way and the noise is kept to a minimum. Is anyone here using a similar technique ? Could you comment on it ? Second question - is there any point in buying high speed CF cards for PS digicams ? Third question - has anyone compared the RAW output with the finest JPEG setting ? is it worth to shoot in RAW ? And the final question. Since now I'm on a shopping spree, I'm also looking at something more serious, like a DSLR. In my price range are the Nikon D70, Canon 10D and digirebel, and the *ist D. Which one should caveman buy ? (in its infinite wisdom Pentax made my current lenses unusable on the *ist, so I'm open to any suggestion). cheers, caveman
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Only things that bugs me is why it must be so difficult to transfer the images to the computer. I mean, I have either to plug an USB cable or pull out the memory card and insert it in a reader. Why no IR port, so that I could just put the camera in front of the computer and that's all ? Most IR ports operate at speeds that make USB seem like greased lightning. Trying to upload tens of Mb of data over an IR port would be painful. The new high-end Nikons offer 802.11 wireless; if you really want this feature, you could always buy one of those (either that, or wait a year). This is one area where the PS digitals seem to be ahead of the DSLRs; many of them come with PictBridge compatibility and/or cradles that let you drop the camera in the cradle and push one button; the images are then automatically uploaded to your computer (and, if you so choose, deleted from the memory card in your camera).
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Jens Bladt a écrit : I have seen my investment in K mount lenses go out the window when Pentax decided against full compatibility. How does K M lenses/non-A work on the *ist D (firmware 1.1. installed)? Do I have to focus and shoot stopped down (like with an old, preset lens) - 1- You focus on wide open lens, you can use AF as focus assistant (central point only) 2- You push teh green button: the lens clos to real aperture, the meter work, the lens open. 3- You shot !! with a dark vievfinder? No, very clear ! What else wount work? AF don't work (sure!) I have five or six very nice K or M lenses (35-300mm) that I would want to keep on using. Now, you have a 50-450 range lenses ! Michel
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Hi Caveman I wonder whether a Digicam *automagically* leads to good PAW and PESO, I think that the overall quality of the shoots often suffers if you have media *a discretion* . But I understand you where not serious here :-) Infrared is painful slow, only works to about 1 Meter distance and needs direct view from sender to receiver. You would not want to transfer fat digipics this way. What's wrong with USB or a card reader, USB is slow but ok? Maybe the next *Pentax generation* brings us direct Internet connection and a built in virus scanner, then you can send your pics as an email attachment and reboot the camera each week :-) Hopefully not. greetings Markus But no way I'll pay any more film processing printing for the daily snapshots. And ah, the instant gratification factor imagine how easy I could produce gazzilions of PESOs, PAWs and whatever Only things that bugs me is why it must be so difficult to transfer the images to the computer. I mean, I have either to plug an USB cable or pull out the memory card and insert it in a reader. Why no IR port, so that I could just put the camera in front of the computer and that's all ?
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- Original Message - From: Caveman Subject: Caveman goes digital So now I have some questions - not brand specific. I've read that some people preffer to use these digi PS with a low sharpening setting and the lowest ISO, and do the sharpening later in Photoshop or whatever. Their claim is that the sharpening is more gently done this way and the noise is kept to a minimum. Is anyone here using a similar technique ? Could you comment on it ? Not so much that the sharpening is more gently done, as that the sharpening, once done, cannot be undone. I can add contrast or saturation or sharpness later in Photoshop. The reverse is not as possible. Second question - is there any point in buying high speed CF cards for PS digicams ? I doubt it. The cameras themselves are very slow. Third question - has anyone compared the RAW output with the finest JPEG setting ? is it worth to shoot in RAW ? RAW is nice in that you are not locked into a white balance, and you have more latitude, both colour and exposure, to play with. However, it is pretty hard to tell the difference between an image saved as best quality JPEG and one that has been saved as RAW and manipulated later, providing the white balance, hue saturation and contrast settings were correct when the jpeg image was taken. And the final question. Since now I'm on a shopping spree, I'm also looking at something more serious, like a DSLR. In my price range are the Nikon D70, Canon 10D and digirebel, and the *ist D. Which one should caveman buy ? (in its infinite wisdom Pentax made my current lenses unusable on the *ist, so I'm open to any suggestion). The only way your current lenses are unusable on the istD is if you don't have Pentax mountable lenses. K and M lenses work very well on the istD. William Robb
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I have seen my investment in K mount lenses go out the window when Pentax decided against full compatibility. How does K M lenses/non-A work on the *ist D (firmware 1.1. installed)? Do I have to focus and shoot stopped down (like with an old, preset lens) - with a dark vievfinder? No. The camera works with these lenses when put in manual exposure mode. The viewfinder stays bright (with the lens open at full aperture) except o When actually taking the picture (naturally) o When you push the green button. The camera then briefly stops the lens down to the taking aperture, takes a reading from the TTL meter, and selects a shutter speed that would result in correct exposure. (This only makes the viewfinder go dim for a fraction of a second). If you don't like that shutter speed, you can change it (and/or the aperture, of course) - the camera is in manual mode, after all. (You can use the exposure compensation setting to change the set value). What else wount work? The main thing that doesn't work properly is the metering. It's not giving you a full-time live readout of what it thinks would be the shutter speed for a correct exposure. So you don't get aperture- preferred auto exposure; you only get the hyper-manual mode. How big a problem is this? That's a matter of personal opinion. For some people it's unacceptable. For others it's no big deal. I have five or six very nice K or M lenses (35-300mm) that I would want to keep on using. I have Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jim Apilado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. august 2004 04:40 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Caveman goes digital Like you, I have seen my investment in K mount lenses go out the window when Pentax decided against full compatibility. I don't care that Pentax came out with firmware that partially corrects the compatibility issue. About the only thing that Pentax has done that is correct is use AA batteries as the power source. I have the Optio 230 which also uses AA batteries. Recently got the tiny Sony U40 that takes AAA batteries. It only takes nine tenths of a second to fire the camera up, much faster than the Pentax. I haven't given up on film. I love slides. I love stereo slides. Jim A. From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:28:59 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Caveman goes digital Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:28:02 -0400 Ok, I did it. It was time to replace the Olympus Mju II PS with something that doesn't eat film, and after considering Canon S60, Sony V1 and Pentax Optio 555, I've decided on the Canon. Before you cry foul, you should hear that the main arguments were the sliding cover design and the zoom starting at 5.8mm (28mm equivalent). So now I have some questions - not brand specific. I've read that some people preffer to use these digi PS with a low sharpening setting and the lowest ISO, and do the sharpening later in Photoshop or whatever. Their claim is that the sharpening is more gently done this way and the noise is kept to a minimum. Is anyone here using a similar technique ? Could you comment on it ? Second question - is there any point in buying high speed CF cards for PS digicams ? Third question - has anyone compared the RAW output with the finest JPEG setting ? is it worth to shoot in RAW ? And the final question. Since now I'm on a shopping spree, I'm also looking at something more serious, like a DSLR. In my price range are the Nikon D70, Canon 10D and digirebel, and the *ist D. Which one should caveman buy ? (in its infinite wisdom Pentax made my current lenses unusable on the *ist, so I'm open to any suggestion). cheers, caveman
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It's actually far better than using a screw lens on a macro body. It's more akin to using a camera in manual exposure mode. Pressing the green button is quick and easy, and allows you to focus and frame at full aperture, which you can't do with a screw mount lens without fiddling with the auto switch on the lens. John On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:58:05 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, you should be able to use your K mount lenses on an *ist-D. If the camera is supplied with version 1.1 of the firmware or better you can set the custom function to allow the shutter to release when the lens is set off A, and in manual mode press the green button, (near the shutter release), to stop the lens down and set the shutter to an appropriate speed. Not the most convienent, but no worse than using an m42 lens on a k mount body. Caveman wrote: Ok, I did it. It was time to replace the Olympus Mju II PS with something that doesn't eat film, and after considering Canon S60, Sony V1 and Pentax Optio 555, I've decided on the Canon. Before you cry foul, you should hear that the main arguments were the sliding cover design and the zoom starting at 5.8mm (28mm equivalent). So now I have some questions - not brand specific. I've read that some people preffer to use these digi PS with a low sharpening setting and the lowest ISO, and do the sharpening later in Photoshop or whatever. Their claim is that the sharpening is more gently done this way and the noise is kept to a minimum. Is anyone here using a similar technique ? Could you comment on it ? Second question - is there any point in buying high speed CF cards for PS digicams ? Third question - has anyone compared the RAW output with the finest JPEG setting ? is it worth to shoot in RAW ? And the final question. Since now I'm on a shopping spree, I'm also looking at something more serious, like a DSLR. In my price range are the Nikon D70, Canon 10D and digirebel, and the *ist D. Which one should caveman buy ? (in its infinite wisdom Pentax made my current lenses unusable on the *ist, so I'm open to any suggestion). cheers, caveman -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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I have a *ist D. Most of my lenses are Ms. Your statement that your investment has gone out the window is just bizarre. John On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 19:40:29 -0700, Jim Apilado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like you, I have seen my investment in K mount lenses go out the window when Pentax decided against full compatibility. I don't care that Pentax came out with firmware that partially corrects the compatibility issue. About the only thing that Pentax has done that is correct is use AA batteries as the power source. I have the Optio 230 which also uses AA batteries. Recently got the tiny Sony U40 that takes AAA batteries. It only takes nine tenths of a second to fire the camera up, much faster than the Pentax. I haven't given up on film. I love slides. I love stereo slides. Jim A. From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:28:59 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Caveman goes digital Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:28:02 -0400 Ok, I did it. It was time to replace the Olympus Mju II PS with something that doesn't eat film, and after considering Canon S60, Sony V1 and Pentax Optio 555, I've decided on the Canon. Before you cry foul, you should hear that the main arguments were the sliding cover design and the zoom starting at 5.8mm (28mm equivalent). So now I have some questions - not brand specific. I've read that some people preffer to use these digi PS with a low sharpening setting and the lowest ISO, and do the sharpening later in Photoshop or whatever. Their claim is that the sharpening is more gently done this way and the noise is kept to a minimum. Is anyone here using a similar technique ? Could you comment on it ? Second question - is there any point in buying high speed CF cards for PS digicams ? Third question - has anyone compared the RAW output with the finest JPEG setting ? is it worth to shoot in RAW ? And the final question. Since now I'm on a shopping spree, I'm also looking at something more serious, like a DSLR. In my price range are the Nikon D70, Canon 10D and digirebel, and the *ist D. Which one should caveman buy ? (in its infinite wisdom Pentax made my current lenses unusable on the *ist, so I'm open to any suggestion). cheers, caveman -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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All of your pentax lenses are useable on the *istD. I have some FA lenses, but I prefer many of my K-series versions and shoot with them. The first release *istD did not have the necessary firmware to meter with K lenses. The new ones do, and they work fine. It's simply a matter of selecting your ap and pushing a button before you fire. The camera will then select a shutter speed. It's center weighted metering, and it works fine. Basically, you have a metering function similar to ap priority on the LX. Of course, with A lenses, the *istD provides the full range of metering option. Paul On Aug 7, 2004, at 9:28 PM, Caveman wrote: And the final question. Since now I'm on a shopping spree, I'm also looking at something more serious, like a DSLR. In my price range are the Nikon D70, Canon 10D and digirebel, and the *ist D. Which one should caveman buy ? (in its infinite wisdom Pentax made my current lenses unusable on the *ist, so I'm open to any suggestion). cheers, caveman
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Thanks, I was not aware of the firmware update. How did this happen, did PDML send to Pentax headquarters a commando that banged them in the head with tripods and 600mm lenses ? Paul Stenquist wrote: All of your pentax lenses are useable on the *istD. I have some FA lenses, but I prefer many of my K-series versions and shoot with them. The first release *istD did not have the necessary firmware to meter with K lenses. The new ones do, and they work fine.
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- Original Message - From: John Forbes Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital I have a *ist D. Most of my lenses are Ms. Your statement that your investment has gone out the window is just bizarre. Jim got it in his head last fall that because he can't use his old lenses exactly the same as how he uses them on his twenty year old film cameras, they are totally unusable. Some people just can't seen to change the way they do things. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: Caveman Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital Thanks, I was not aware of the firmware update. How did this happen, did PDML send to Pentax headquarters a commando that banged them in the head with tripods and 600mm lenses ? Pretty much. There was a lot of bitching about it on list, some of us even called the istD a crippled whore that couldn't dance. They got the hint pretty quickly. William Robb
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Paul Stenquist wrote: All of your pentax lenses are useable on the *istD. I have some FA lenses, but I prefer many of my K-series versions and shoot with them. The first release *istD did not have the necessary firmware to meter with K lenses. The new ones do, and they work fine. Some of us know, but Caveman may not, that if you buy an *istD that doesn't have the new firmware, the firmware is available on line. (On the Pentax website.) I don't know if it's the case that new ones do have it, Paul; I bought mine in mid-July and it came without the new firmware. Which I promptly installed that very evening. ERN
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I agree. Because someone is Pentax is known (or at least believed :-) to read this discussion list, there's a tendency to imagine we're an important factor in the Pentax decision-making procedure. Personally I think this is pretty much wishful thinking - I'm not sure I'd want to be thought responsible for many of the decisions coming from Pentax. But if we're going to claim credit, then I'd just like to remind the list members that I described *exactly* the technique Pentax now use (right down to suggesting which button to use) back when we were first discussing the *ist-D, as the best that could be achieved in firmware. It's hard to say. The upgrade may have been in response to complaints here and elsewhere, it may have been an oversight, or just a matter of continuing development. In any case, I'm very pleased with the *istD. I can produce very nice 12 x 18 prints if I shot RAW and res-up in PhotoShop CS during RAW conversion. Paul On Aug 8, 2004, at 11:02 AM, Caveman wrote: Thanks, I was not aware of the firmware update. How did this happen, did PDML send to Pentax headquarters a commando that banged them in the head with tripods and 600mm lenses ? Paul Stenquist wrote: All of your pentax lenses are useable on the *istD. I have some FA lenses, but I prefer many of my K-series versions and shoot with them. The first release *istD did not have the necessary firmware to meter with K lenses. The new ones do, and they work fine.
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My Pentax 43WR is much better since I treated it to a high-speed SD card. I think the battery life is better too, probably because the write time is shorter. Of course the Canon may be different. Nick -Original Message- From: Caveman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08/08/04 02:28:59 Second question - is there any point in buying high speed CF cards for PS digicams ?
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Thanks Michel, very helpful... So the green button will stop the lens down an measure the light, the *ist D will remember the metering, re-open the aperure and shoot (stopped down) at the correct speed...?? No, I don't think I really understand - I guess I'll have to have the camera in my hand to actually get it. All the best Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Michel Carrère-Gée [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. august 2004 08:21 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Caveman goes digital Jens Bladt a écrit : I have seen my investment in K mount lenses go out the window when Pentax decided against full compatibility. How does K M lenses/non-A work on the *ist D (firmware 1.1. installed)? Do I have to focus and shoot stopped down (like with an old, preset lens) - 1- You focus on wide open lens, you can use AF as focus assistant (central point only) 2- You push teh green button: the lens clos to real aperture, the meter work, the lens open. 3- You shot !! with a dark vievfinder? No, very clear ! What else wount work? AF don't work (sure!) I have five or six very nice K or M lenses (35-300mm) that I would want to keep on using. Now, you have a 50-450 range lenses ! Michel
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Remember, the camera is in manual exposure mode. Once you set a shutter speed, it will stay at that shutter speed unless you do something to change it. Pushing the green button performs a one-time setting of the shutter speed automatically (using stop-down metering). The camera doesn't remember the metering value - it just remembers the shutter speed that was selected, just as it would if you had set the shutter speed by using the shutter speed dial. Thanks Michel, very helpful... So the green button will stop the lens down an measure the light, the *ist D will remember the metering, re-open the aperure and shoot (stopped down) at the correct speed...?? No, I don't think I really understand - I guess I'll have to have the camera in my hand to actually get it. All the best Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Michel Carrère-Gée [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. august 2004 08:21 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Caveman goes digital Jens Bladt a écrit : I have seen my investment in K mount lenses go out the window when Pentax decided against full compatibility. How does K M lenses/non-A work on the *ist D (firmware 1.1. installed)? Do I have to focus and shoot stopped down (like with an old, preset lens) - 1- You focus on wide open lens, you can use AF as focus assistant (central point only) 2- You push teh green button: the lens clos to real aperture, the meter work, the lens open. 3- You shot !! with a dark vievfinder? No, very clear ! What else wount work? AF don't work (sure!) I have five or six very nice K or M lenses (35-300mm) that I would want to keep on using. Now, you have a 50-450 range lenses ! Michel
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Something like that. Caveman wrote: Thanks, I was not aware of the firmware update. How did this happen, did PDML send to Pentax headquarters a commando that banged them in the head with tripods and 600mm lenses ? Paul Stenquist wrote: All of your pentax lenses are useable on the *istD. I have some FA lenses, but I prefer many of my K-series versions and shoot with them. The first release *istD did not have the necessary firmware to meter with K lenses. The new ones do, and they work fine.
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Jens, Don't think too complicated. You set the camera to manual mode. You set the desired aperture on the lens and press the green button. The camera stops down to meter the scene and opens up again. The determined value for shutter speed is shown in the viewfinder. Then it's just to take the pic... The *istD is a nice little camera, even if the ergonomy doesn't fit my hands... Jostein - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: RE: Caveman goes digital Thanks Michel, very helpful... So the green button will stop the lens down an measure the light, the *ist D will remember the metering, re-open the aperure and shoot (stopped down) at the correct speed...?? No, I don't think I really understand - I guess I'll have to have the camera in my hand to actually get it. All the best Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Michel Carrère-Gée [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. august 2004 08:21 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Caveman goes digital Jens Bladt a écrit : I have seen my investment in K mount lenses go out the window when Pentax decided against full compatibility. How does K M lenses/non-A work on the *ist D (firmware 1.1. installed)? Do I have to focus and shoot stopped down (like with an old, preset lens) - 1- You focus on wide open lens, you can use AF as focus assistant (central point only) 2- You push teh green button: the lens clos to real aperture, the meter work, the lens open. 3- You shot !! with a dark vievfinder? No, very clear ! What else wount work? AF don't work (sure!) I have five or six very nice K or M lenses (35-300mm) that I would want to keep on using. Now, you have a 50-450 range lenses ! Michel
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Actually, Caveman, we disguised ourselves as easter bunnies: http://optiopics.homestead.com/gfm2004/IMGP8186.JPG and did it with a 1000mm: http://optiopics.homestead.com/gfm2004/IMGP8255.jpg Naturally, I can not disclose the names of the other members of the Commando group, since we yet may have a few issues to resolve... Cheers, nietsoJ - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital Something like that. Caveman wrote: Thanks, I was not aware of the firmware update. How did this happen, did PDML send to Pentax headquarters a commando that banged them in the head with tripods and 600mm lenses ? Paul Stenquist wrote: All of your pentax lenses are useable on the *istD. I have some FA lenses, but I prefer many of my K-series versions and shoot with them. The first release *istD did not have the necessary firmware to meter with K lenses. The new ones do, and they work fine.
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On Aug 8, 2004, at 2:40 PM, John Francis wrote: But if we're going to claim credit, then I'd just like to remind the list members that I described *exactly* the technique Pentax now use (right down to suggesting which button to use) back when we were first discussing the *ist-D, as the best that could be achieved in firmware. Hi John, I remember that well. You gave me a bit of hope at a time when I thought that Pentax digital was not going to work for me. I had no idea what you were talking about at the time since it was over my head in terms of technical detail, but it proved prophetic. Your technical expertise is invaluable here, and I bet Pentax appreciates it as well. Don't ever hesitate to speak your mind. We all appreciate it. Paul
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LOL ! Great shots ! Jostein wrote: Actually, Caveman, we disguised ourselves as easter bunnies: http://optiopics.homestead.com/gfm2004/IMGP8186.JPG and did it with a 1000mm: http://optiopics.homestead.com/gfm2004/IMGP8255.jpg
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I don't hesitate to use K or M lenses on the *istD. I just bought a K 300. The green button mode is quick and easy once you do it a few times.
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As I mentioned elsewhere, the K/M lenses work fine. But the whole approach, while clever, does smack of afterthought, which doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the future. OTOH, who knows what Pentax thinks? It could simply be that they rushed the *ist D to market as fast as they could and some stuff got left off. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/8/2004 8:47:44 AM All of your pentax lenses are useable on the *istD. I have some FA lenses, but I prefer many of my K-series versions and shoot with them. The first release *istD did not have the necessary firmware to meter with K lenses. The new ones do, and they work fine. It's simply a matter of selecting your ap and pushing a button before you fire. The camera will then select a shutter speed. It's center weighted metering, and it works fine. Basically, you have a metering function similar to ap priority on the LX. Of course, with A lenses, the *istD provides the full range of metering option. Paul On Aug 7, 2004, at 9:28 PM, Caveman wrote: And the final question. Since now I'm on a shopping spree, I'm also looking at something more serious, like a DSLR. In my price range are the Nikon D70, Canon 10D and digirebel, and the *ist D. Which one should caveman buy ? (in its infinite wisdom Pentax made my current lenses unusable on the *ist, so I'm open to any suggestion). cheers, caveman
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Because someone is (at) Pentax is known (or at least believed :-) to read this discussion list, there's a tendency to imagine we're an important factor in the Pentax decision-making procedure. I wonder if anyone on the list has any reason to believe this is true, at least from Pentax USA? I've been a follower of the list since back when Pentax sponsored the list and even then never got an inkling they paid attention to us. I remember asking this of one of the higher ups @ Pentax USA and he said in so many words they had to take what Pentax Japan gave them. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital I agree. Because someone is Pentax is known (or at least believed :-) to read this discussion list, there's a tendency to imagine we're an important factor in the Pentax decision-making procedure. Personally I think this is pretty much wishful thinking - I'm not sure I'd want to be thought responsible for many of the decisions coming from Pentax. But if we're going to claim credit, then I'd just like to remind the list members that I described *exactly* the technique Pentax now use (right down to suggesting which button to use) back when we were first discussing the *ist-D, as the best that could be achieved in firmware. It's hard to say. The upgrade may have been in response to complaints here and elsewhere, it may have been an oversight, or just a matter of continuing development. In any case, I'm very pleased with the *istD. I can produce very nice 12 x 18 prints if I shot RAW and res-up in PhotoShop CS during RAW conversion. Paul On Aug 8, 2004, at 11:02 AM, Caveman wrote: Thanks, I was not aware of the firmware update. How did this happen, did PDML send to Pentax headquarters a commando that banged them in the head with tripods and 600mm lenses ? Paul Stenquist wrote: All of your pentax lenses are useable on the *istD. I have some FA lenses, but I prefer many of my K-series versions and shoot with them. The first release *istD did not have the necessary firmware to meter with K lenses. The new ones do, and they work fine.
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Kenneth Waller quoted posted: Because someone is (at) Pentax is known (or at least believed :-) to read this discussion list, there's a tendency to imagine we're an important factor in the Pentax decision-making procedure. I wonder if anyone on the list has any reason to believe this is true, at least from Pentax USA? I've been a follower of the list since back when Pentax sponsored the list and even then never got an inkling they paid attention to us. I remember asking this of one of the higher ups @ Pentax USA and he said in so many words they had to take what Pentax Japan gave them. What gave me some suspicion was rereading the wish list several of us posted for a new (film) SLR a while back and then comparing it to the subsequently- released MZ-S. It read as if made to order! ERN
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I saved a $1600 bucks not buying the crippled camera. I do own the Optio 230. I don't get credit for investing in Pentax? Jim A. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:16:23 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:21:15 -0400 - Original Message - From: John Forbes Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital I have a *ist D. Most of my lenses are Ms. Your statement that your investment has gone out the window is just bizarre. Jim got it in his head last fall that because he can't use his old lenses exactly the same as how he uses them on his twenty year old film cameras, they are totally unusable. Some people just can't seen to change the way they do things. William Robb
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The *istD is by no means crippled. I've doubled my photography income since buying it. I use K series lenses almost exclusively. Try it before you decide that it won't work for you. I was a sceptic as well, but the *istD proved its worth -- with all of my Pentax lenses. Paul On Aug 8, 2004, at 9:02 PM, Jim Apilado wrote: I saved a $1600 bucks not buying the crippled camera. I do own the Optio 230. I don't get credit for investing in Pentax? Jim A. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:16:23 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:21:15 -0400 - Original Message - From: John Forbes Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital I have a *ist D. Most of my lenses are Ms. Your statement that your investment has gone out the window is just bizarre. Jim got it in his head last fall that because he can't use his old lenses exactly the same as how he uses them on his twenty year old film cameras, they are totally unusable. Some people just can't seen to change the way they do things. William Robb
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From what I know that is pretty much true, Ken. But then I have heard from a pretty reliable resource that Pentax Japan has people following this list. I do think we have a bit of influence on what they do, at least on the high end products (Even Pentax Marketing knows we are not exactly Joe Consumer here on the list). -- Kenneth Waller wrote: I remember asking this of one of the higher ups @ Pentax USA and he said in so many words they had to take what Pentax Japan gave them. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
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--- Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I did it. snip Say it ain't so, Joe... So, who's left, me and Norm? -frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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C'mon. I still have an LX and an ME Super and I'll keep the old Oly PS too (somewhere in the car's glove box). But no way I'll pay any more film processing printing for the daily snapshots. And ah, the instant gratification factor imagine how easy I could produce gazzilions of PESOs, PAWs and whatever Only things that bugs me is why it must be so difficult to transfer the images to the computer. I mean, I have either to plug an USB cable or pull out the memory card and insert it in a reader. Why no IR port, so that I could just put the camera in front of the computer and that's all ? Norm Baugher wrote: Digihead Commie. Norm Caveman wrote: he's gone digital
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I find the USB connection to be much faster than IR... and far faster than even a 1-hour place... Tom C. From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Caveman goes digital Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 00:25:29 -0400 C'mon. I still have an LX and an ME Super and I'll keep the old Oly PS too (somewhere in the car's glove box). But no way I'll pay any more film processing printing for the daily snapshots. And ah, the instant gratification factor imagine how easy I could produce gazzilions of PESOs, PAWs and whatever Only things that bugs me is why it must be so difficult to transfer the images to the computer. I mean, I have either to plug an USB cable or pull out the memory card and insert it in a reader. Why no IR port, so that I could just put the camera in front of the computer and that's all ? Norm Baugher wrote: Digihead Commie. Norm Caveman wrote: he's gone digital
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How easy do you want it to be, what Norm said plus lazy bum... Caveman wrote: C'mon. I still have an LX and an ME Super and I'll keep the old Oly PS too (somewhere in the car's glove box). But no way I'll pay any more film processing printing for the daily snapshots. And ah, the instant gratification factor imagine how easy I could produce gazzilions of PESOs, PAWs and whatever Only things that bugs me is why it must be so difficult to transfer the images to the computer. I mean, I have either to plug an USB cable or pull out the memory card and insert it in a reader. Why no IR port, so that I could just put the camera in front of the computer and that's all ? Norm Baugher wrote: Digihead Commie. Norm Caveman wrote: he's gone digital
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Why are your lenes unusable on a ist D. If I owned no dedicated (Pentax) lenses, bellows, flashes etc., I would definitely go for a Canon 10D. All the best Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. august 2004 03:29 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Caveman goes digital Ok, I did it. It was time to replace the Olympus Mju II PS with something that doesn't eat film, and after considering Canon S60, Sony V1 and Pentax Optio 555, I've decided on the Canon. Before you cry foul, you should hear that the main arguments were the sliding cover design and the zoom starting at 5.8mm (28mm equivalent). So now I have some questions - not brand specific. I've read that some people preffer to use these digi PS with a low sharpening setting and the lowest ISO, and do the sharpening later in Photoshop or whatever. Their claim is that the sharpening is more gently done this way and the noise is kept to a minimum. Is anyone here using a similar technique ? Could you comment on it ? Second question - is there any point in buying high speed CF cards for PS digicams ? Third question - has anyone compared the RAW output with the finest JPEG setting ? is it worth to shoot in RAW ? And the final question. Since now I'm on a shopping spree, I'm also looking at something more serious, like a DSLR. In my price range are the Nikon D70, Canon 10D and digirebel, and the *ist D. Which one should caveman buy ? (in its infinite wisdom Pentax made my current lenses unusable on the *ist, so I'm open to any suggestion). cheers, caveman
