Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
Don't do that too often but... On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, John Francis wrote: After all, the FA* 80-200/f2.8 didn't cost that much. Mark! Kostas (buying three built-in electrical appliances and getting change instead) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
I'm debating with myself. I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250. In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't afford both at the same time. I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some insights on this? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
I can't comment on the K10D DA 50-200 combination, but I suspect the DA* lenses are going to cost quite a bit more than the price of the K10D. My guess for the DA* 60-250 f4, at least 2-3 times the cost of the K10D. Cheers, Dave On 1/6/07, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm debating with myself. I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250. In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't afford both at the same time. I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some insights on this? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
I've found the autofocus performance of the DA 50-200 to be quite good, even in continuous mode. I shot a bunch of pics of my granddaughter running around the yard with this combo last week. As a bit of a test I also shot a car driving down the street and a bicyclist approaching. The camera was able to focus in all these instances. However, I would add that while this would probably be a good lens for soccer (if you're standing on the sidelines), it's too short for shooting birds in flight. Paul -- Original message -- From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm debating with myself. I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250. In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't afford both at the same time. I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some insights on this? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
Thank you Paul. When praising the DA 50-200 you talking about AF performance at the K10, don't you? I assume you havent tried it on the DS. Any others who has compared directly DS vs. K10? The field at this event is smaller than a regular soccer field. So the tempo is high. Shooting a good team isn't very hard, but the bad one is a lot harder because next move is harder to predict. There is no rhythm in bad soccer. When speaking of birds in flight I was thinking of fed seagulls and similar objects. Not Lucy in the sky (far out) birds, maaan ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 5. januar 2007 17:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance I've found the autofocus performance of the DA 50-200 to be quite good, even in continuous mode. I shot a bunch of pics of my granddaughter running around the yard with this combo last week. As a bit of a test I also shot a car driving down the street and a bicyclist approaching. The camera was able to focus in all these instances. However, I would add that while this would probably be a good lens for soccer (if you're standing on the sidelines), it's too short for shooting birds in flight. Paul -- Original message -- From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm debating with myself. I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250. In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't afford both at the same time. I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some insights on this? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
I only played a bit with this combo as I only got my K10D yesterday but AF is at least quite a bit beter than on my ist-D. I play a bit with it tonight in interior and I let you know if I come to any conclusion. 2007/1/5, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm debating with myself. I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250. In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't afford both at the same time. I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some insights on this? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
That would be splendid. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: 5. januar 2007 17:37 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance I only played a bit with this combo as I only got my K10D yesterday but AF is at least quite a bit beter than on my ist-D. I play a bit with it tonight in interior and I let you know if I come to any conclusion. 2007/1/5, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm debating with myself. I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250. In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't afford both at the same time. I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some insights on this? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
I rather doubt that the 60-250 will be available in six-seven months. In any case, if you want to rely on auto-focus, you should get the K10D - with the more powerful focus motor it will operate faster than any of the earlier models, even before the DA* SDM lenses come along. I've shot kid's soccer with the *ist-D and the FA* 80-200; most of the time that's enough reach, although when you need more I doubt that the difference between 200 and 250 would be enough. And if you get the K10D you can crop to the center 6MP, which will give you the same AOV as a 260mm lens :-) On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 04:59:25PM +0100, Tim ?sleby wrote: I'm debating with myself. I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250. In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't afford both at the same time. I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some insights on this? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
I think (and hope) that's a bit of an overestimate. I'd guess that 2x the (current) price of the K10D is the upper end of the price range, and it may even end up just a little cheaper than that. After all, the FA* 80-200/f2.8 (with a larger front element than a 60-250/f4) didn't cost that much. On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 01:12:38AM +0900, David Savage wrote: I can't comment on the K10D DA 50-200 combination, but I suspect the DA* lenses are going to cost quite a bit more than the price of the K10D. My guess for the DA* 60-250 f4, at least 2-3 times the cost of the K10D. Cheers, Dave On 1/6/07, Tim ?sleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm debating with myself. I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250. In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't afford both at the same time. I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some insights on this? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. - Tim, we don't know yet whether DA* lenses will autofocus with bodies prior to the K10D. The first DA* lenses are due to be issued in March. We should know then. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
Hi! Tim Øsleby wrote: I'm debating with myself. I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250. In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't afford both at the same time. I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some insights on this? Tim, you're asking very difficult question. Here are some considerations that come to my mind. Could be some of them are incorrect, so please read what I am going to write with critical mind. 1. K10D has very fast AF. I think that it is *way* faster than *istD. I have observed that many times K10D would report that *more than one* AF sensor is in focus (red light), while *istD only reports one sensor. This I think is significant. 2. I don't have 50-200 but I had 70-210 and now have 80-200/4.7-5.6. I couldn't try 70-210 with K10D, 'cause the lens is broken, but 80-200 focuses good and fast. However, at least several times in indoors light the AF hunted. 3. I generally tend to believe that the less the throw from closest focus to infinity the more rapid is AF process. It simply takes less time to rotate the lens. Older tele zooms that I own have rather big focus throw. 4. I've been shooting game of basketball few times with *istD and FA 50/1.7. It were my co-workers playing so that I could physically come very close to them. I've set my *istD to continuous AF and I don't remember missing even a single shot due to AF problems. These are just considerations that popped in my mind. I dare not make any conclusions from these. So, it will have to be you, Tim ;-). HTH. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
I hope I'm way off. Dave On 1/6/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think (and hope) that's a bit of an overestimate. I'd guess that 2x the (current) price of the K10D is the upper end of the price range, and it may even end up just a little cheaper than that. After all, the FA* 80-200/f2.8 (with a larger front element than a 60-250/f4) didn't cost that much. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 01:12:38 +0900, David Savage wrote: I can't comment on the K10D DA 50-200 combination, but I suspect the DA* lenses are going to cost quite a bit more than the price of the K10D. My guess for the DA* 60-250 f4, at least 2-3 times the cost of the K10D. Hmm, perhaps ... However, I saw an advertized price on the Tokina 50-135mm f/2.8 of less than 600 Euro (about 700 US dollars) which is than I expected. The Pentax will probably be more expensive due to the sealing, but by how much is hard to say ... And of course the 60-250 f/4 is a bit more expensive still. I am hoping for a price between 1000 and 1500 Euros for the 60-250mm Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
If the questions where easy I wouldn't ask the list ;-) So far it sounds like the 50-200 will do. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 5. januar 2007 19:28 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance Hi! Tim Øsleby wrote: I'm debating with myself. I have an urge for the K10 (who doesn't?). I've also got a need for an AF tele zoom for soccer, birds in flight and general use. The obvious solutions for those two needs is a combo of K10 and DA* 60-250. In a long perspective it is very likely I'll go for this combo, but I can't afford both at the same time. I'm thinking six-seven months ahead. Then I'll be going to a soccer tournament. Last year I tried shooting with MF. The keepers rate was low, to low for my needs. So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. Or do I by a K10 and DA 50-200 combo, and the DA* later? The soccer tournament is for kids. So the game is pretty hard to predict. In other words, I will need speedy AF performance. So one of the things I'm wondering about is the AF performance of K10/50-200. Anybody got some insights on this? Tim, you're asking very difficult question. Here are some considerations that come to my mind. Could be some of them are incorrect, so please read what I am going to write with critical mind. 1. K10D has very fast AF. I think that it is *way* faster than *istD. I have observed that many times K10D would report that *more than one* AF sensor is in focus (red light), while *istD only reports one sensor. This I think is significant. 2. I don't have 50-200 but I had 70-210 and now have 80-200/4.7-5.6. I couldn't try 70-210 with K10D, 'cause the lens is broken, but 80-200 focuses good and fast. However, at least several times in indoors light the AF hunted. 3. I generally tend to believe that the less the throw from closest focus to infinity the more rapid is AF process. It simply takes less time to rotate the lens. Older tele zooms that I own have rather big focus throw. 4. I've been shooting game of basketball few times with *istD and FA 50/1.7. It were my co-workers playing so that I could physically come very close to them. I've set my *istD to continuous AF and I don't remember missing even a single shot due to AF problems. These are just considerations that popped in my mind. I dare not make any conclusions from these. So, it will have to be you, Tim ;-). HTH. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
I'm not asking about AF performance of the unexisting lens. But if the wisdom of the list tells me that the AF performance 50-200 is adequate for my soccer needs, I could probably live with that until I have founds needed to buy the DA*. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Tainter Sent: 5. januar 2007 19:00 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance So what do I do? By the zoom of my dreams, the DA* and use it on my DS. - Tim, we don't know yet whether DA* lenses will autofocus with bodies prior to the K10D. The first DA* lenses are due to be issued in March. We should know then. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance
I don't see why a 60-250/4 should be a lot more expensive than a 50-135/2,8. I expect the price to be above 50-135/2,8, but not much. Something like 800 Euro vs 1000 Euro. But this is speculation from a hopelessly optimistic mind ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan van Wijk Sent: 5. januar 2007 20:00 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K10D and DA 50-200 and AF performance On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 01:12:38 +0900, David Savage wrote: I can't comment on the K10D DA 50-200 combination, but I suspect the DA* lenses are going to cost quite a bit more than the price of the K10D. My guess for the DA* 60-250 f4, at least 2-3 times the cost of the K10D. Hmm, perhaps ... However, I saw an advertized price on the Tokina 50-135mm f/2.8 of less than 600 Euro (about 700 US dollars) which is than I expected. The Pentax will probably be more expensive due to the sealing, but by how much is hard to say ... And of course the 60-250 f/4 is a bit more expensive still. I am hoping for a price between 1000 and 1500 Euros for the 60-250mm Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
