Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 6/1/2010 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote:
On 2010-06-01 08:40 , P. J. Alling wrote:
On 6/1/2010 5:54 AM, steve harley wrote:
that stereotype was mostly generated by Apple marketing -- playing to
people's insecurities about whatever computer they were using
I guess it worked, when I more or less decided to join the PC
revolution, Microsoft and IBM made it relatively easy for me to learn
enough to be an expert, (at least compared to my clients), Apple not so
much.
so that was what, 25 years ago? i have met a lot of people who are
proud of their DOS/Windows fu; i'm proud of my Unix fu from 30 years
ago, and use it all the time today on Macs Linux; but fu is fu --
there's a lot to mystify the masses on every operating system
Sure it does, Pay the licensing fees to a company you compete with
directly? Google want's to turn the Browser into an OS replacement.
Microsoft owns the Desktop OS market. You think potential monopolists
have changed since J.D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil?
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:21 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along without making major inroads
into their core business.
Diversity has its benefits:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html
On 6/1/2010 1:49 PM, William Robb wrote:
On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote:
On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote:
Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing,
TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing
but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give
sustenance to your enemy?
uh, Google and Apple are the more obvious sparring partners at this point
It is possible to have more than one competitor at a time.
My issue with Apple is simple, to a non iProduct user all the iProducts
except the Mac look like varioations on the same thing.
iPod, tune player that has enough software to work as a game player and PDA
iPhone iPod with Phone capability.
iPad Overgrown iPod with possible phone capability in the future.
Mac, good reliable yet overpriced computer using an OS substantially
incompatible with the OS on 80-90% of the rest of the personal computers in
the world.
My issue with Linux, is it's a loose consortium of Geeks both profit and
decidedly non profit, who have two things in common, a general disdain, for
Microsoft and all it's works, and an inveterate urge to tinker, it's product
may be reliable, but it will also tend to be geeks have blind spots, (I know
I do), usually leading to problems along the line of, what do you mean it's
hard to do that, it's easy, just follow these simple steps and then...
Much as I'd like to see Linux take off, it doesn't give me confidence, and
Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along without making major inroads
into their core business.
If Microsoft gets it's act back together, easier said than done, it may make
Google more than a bit uncomfortable. In the past MS hasn't been above dirty
tricks to maintain it's market share and probably wouldn't be above such
activities in gaining market share either. But MS has the power of inertia
behind it. Apple doesn't.
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 01/06/2010 12:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Diversity has its benefits: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html The 150,000,000 that Microsoft gave them probably didn't hurt too much either. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:56 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 12:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Diversity has its benefits: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html The 150,000,000 that Microsoft gave them probably didn't hurt too much either. For a company valued at 222 billion, that's a drop in the bucket. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
By market cap, but that only measures what the circulatiing stock is
worth, not how big a company actually is. A bad trading day and
Microsoft could be back on top, a bad trading week and Apple could lose
half it's value, (the same is true for Microsoft, but that's beside the
point). How much of that depends on the Magic of Steve Jobs. If he
announced tomorrow that he'd have to leave Apple for health reasons
would the stock nosedive? Apple hasn't made many missteps in product
introduction in the last few years. Their stock price has hit the
stratosphere, but that doesn't make Apple bigger tham M$ in any
objective sense.
On 6/1/2010 2:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:21 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along without making major inroads into
their core business.
Diversity has its benefits:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html
On 6/1/2010 1:49 PM, William Robb wrote:
On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote:
On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote:
Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing,
TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing
but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give
sustenance to your enemy?
uh, Google and Apple are the more obvious sparring partners at this point
It is possible to have more than one competitor at a time.
My issue with Apple is simple, to a non iProduct user all the iProducts except
the Mac look like varioations on the same thing.
iPod, tune player that has enough software to work as a game player and PDA
iPhone iPod with Phone capability.
iPad Overgrown iPod with possible phone capability in the future.
Mac, good reliable yet overpriced computer using an OS substantially
incompatible with the OS on 80-90% of the rest of the personal computers in the
world.
My issue with Linux, is it's a loose consortium of Geeks both profit and
decidedly non profit, who have two things in common, a general disdain, for
Microsoft and all it's works, and an inveterate urge to tinker, it's product
may be reliable, but it will also tend to be geeks have blind spots, (I know I
do), usually leading to problems along the line of, what do you mean it's hard
to do that, it's easy, just follow these simple steps and then...
Much as I'd like to see Linux take off, it doesn't give me confidence, and
Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along without making major inroads into
their core business.
If Microsoft gets it's act back together, easier said than done, it may make
Google more than a bit uncomfortable. In the past MS hasn't been above dirty
tricks to maintain it's market share and probably wouldn't be above such
activities in gaining market share either. But MS has the power of inertia
behind it. Apple doesn't.
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 01/06/2010 1:03 PM, paul stenquist wrote: For a company valued at 222 billion, that's a drop in the bucket. When the bailout happened, Apple was worth somewhat less than a drop in a bucket. They had pretty much been written off for dead. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 2010-06-01 07:27 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 1:59 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: I reiterate: Adobe had 1.5 years advance notice. Apple made available lists of software that would break. Adobe was at the top of the alpha list. Adobe, in couched terms, basically said their software would break under undisclosed circumstances. So what you are saying is that it is Adobe's job to rewrite software that is already on the market to pander to a computer maker's broken new OS? i think the argument(s) here is(are) a bit confused; first of all it's about installers, not apps; second, CS3 runs well on Mac OS X 10.6, Adobe has a technote that confirms this: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/512/cpsid_51215.html third, yes, new OS versions will sometimes break four-year-old installers -- it took me no time to find someone with a similar complaint for Windows 7: http://www.edugeek.net/forums/windows-7/40175-windows-7-wont-install-adobe-cs3.html (and it still proves nothing) fourth, if you don't want to run a newer OS version, you don't have to; choicephiles take note finally, this is all premised on some blogger who vaguely described his ordeal after upgrading his OS; he didn't say _how_ he upgraded, which makes a big difference with apps like Adobe's that litter the disk with encrypted activation files and background processes that check for various thing; he didn't necessarily even have to reinstall to solve the problem, but then he says the CS3 installer asked for the CS4 disk -- whaaa??... there's not enough clear info in that blog post to support any conclusion -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 2010-06-01 12:33 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 12:19 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 11:49 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give sustenance to your enemy? uh, Google and Apple are the more obvious sparring partners at this point It is possible to have more than one competitor at a time. sure, but that doesn't make the argument (that Google doesn't give employees Windows computers because it is a competitor to Microsoft) sensible The link that was sent out pretty much gave Google's reason in the first sentence. right, but i was responding to P.J.'s reason quoted above, which is why your reply didn't make sense -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 2010-06-01 12:39 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google want's to turn the Browser into an OS replacement. Microsoft owns the Desktop OS market. You think potential monopolists have changed since J.D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil? i've been a desktop developer for most of my career, but the future is clear to me and the real battle is now for mobile mindshare; in that area, Microsoft is going down as fast as Google is going up, at least in the short term, and Google and Apple are squaring off not just on mobile OS, but also on targeted marketing (which as we will see is becoming an OS feature) and various other subtle technologies you may not see the difference between an iPod and the iPhone OS, but Google can, and iPhone plus Android now have an historic position in computing, shaping a huge turning point; this doesn't mean either is Christlike or has done anything completely original, just that those two companies are the ones gaining the foothold for whatever will grow from the new UI and availability paradigms -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 2010-06-01 14:14 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 1:03 PM, paul stenquist wrote: For a company valued at 222 billion, that's a drop in the bucket. When the bailout happened, Apple was worth somewhat less than a drop in a bucket. They had pretty much been written off for dead. it was rather more of a chess game than that -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 01/06/2010 2:37 PM, steve harley wrote: .. there's not enough clear info in that blog post to support any conclusion Other than my friend's tongue in cheek assessment of Mac users. :-) -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On Jun 1, 2010, at 7:13 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 2:37 PM, steve harley wrote: .. there's not enough clear info in that blog post to support any conclusion Other than my friend's tongue in cheek assessment of Mac users. :-) Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 01/06/2010 6:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that. He's a millionaire investment banker who retired at the age of 50. His last investment account was something like 35 billion dollars that he was working with the CIBC. He's a very secure individual. But, you think what you want if it raises your level of self worth. I won't think any less of you for it. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
I'll speak tio what I know, i.e., my personal preferences. I have a
MacBook and a Dell laptop. The Mac is a nice computer but I'm not
particularly attached to it. I also use my Blackberry/iPod Touch to
access the Internet for email, weather, etc. since they are faster
than the computer unless I leave the computer on all the time. I can
easily see me getting a Windows based desktop system because they are
nice to work on for photos, documents, etc. and cheaper than macs. I
would also get an iPad or similar device for Internet access because I
can sit on the couch and browse with more ease and comfort than a
laptop. I would also have a smaller portable device that serves as a
phone and fits in my pocket.
Now the opinion: This is what most people actually want. The new
addition is the iPad, because many people spend a lot of time browsing
the net, going to forums, email, etc and an iPad on the couch is a
tempting arrangement. I'm not saying Apple wins, and I'm certainly
not an Apple fanboy, but as long as everything works pretty easily the
great majority of consumers will show no loyalty whatsoever as long as
capabilities are provided.
.
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:21 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/1/2010 1:49 PM, William Robb wrote:
On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote:
On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote:
Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing,
TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing
but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give
sustenance to your enemy?
uh, Google and Apple are the more obvious sparring partners at this point
It is possible to have more than one competitor at a time.
My issue with Apple is simple, to a non iProduct user all the iProducts
except the Mac look like varioations on the same thing.
iPod, tune player that has enough software to work as a game player and PDA
iPhone iPod with Phone capability.
iPad Overgrown iPod with possible phone capability in the future.
Mac, good reliable yet overpriced computer using an OS substantially
incompatible with the OS on 80-90% of the rest of the personal computers in
the world.
My issue with Linux, is it's a loose consortium of Geeks both profit and
decidedly non profit, who have two things in common, a general disdain, for
Microsoft and all it's works, and an inveterate urge to tinker, it's product
may be reliable, but it will also tend to be geeks have blind spots, (I know
I do), usually leading to problems along the line of, what do you mean it's
hard to do that, it's easy, just follow these simple steps and then...
Much as I'd like to see Linux take off, it doesn't give me confidence, and
Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along without making major inroads
into their core business.
If Microsoft gets it's act back together, easier said than done, it may make
Google more than a bit uncomfortable. In the past MS hasn't been above
dirty tricks to maintain it's market share and probably wouldn't be above
such activities in gaining market share either. But MS has the power of
inertia behind it. Apple doesn't.
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 6:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that. He's a millionaire investment banker who retired at the age of 50. His last investment account was something like 35 billion dollars that he was working with the CIBC. He's a very secure individual. But, you think what you want if it raises your level of self worth. I won't think any less of you for it. You're still a great storyteller Bill. Fun stuff. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
From: Rob Studdert On 01/06/2010, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html But gullible, they don't actually make owners creative. I've been using the Macs at school for a week now. My first impression is either the Mac programmers are idiots or they think their users are. I have to read a document. It's in PDF format. I double click the icon to open it, and it doesn't open, instead I get a dialog box telling me it's a PDF document and asking me if I want to open this PDF document? Nah ... why would I want to do that? I just didn't have anything better to do than randomly open folders and double click icons. Had to buy one of those Le Cie rugged drives to store my files on and to use for transferring images from my Windoze box. The first time I started it up it had a wizard that allowed me to partition it and make a 32GB FAT32 partition both Mac Windoze can see (Windoze is supposed to be able to see it). That was pretty slick, but now every time I start it up I get a dialog asking if I want to use the drive to back up the school's Mac which requires re-formatting the entire drive with the Mac file system I wouldn't be able use it to transfer files from my Windoze box to the Mac? Only gives two options Cancel and Fuck up your hard drive. Why would they give you the option to format the drive so it can be used for both Mac and Windoze and then NOT give you the option to tell this program NO. Morons! I would rather be locked in a phone booth and forced to masturbate a rabid mountain lion with a handful of rusty barbed wire than buy a Mac. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 01/06/2010 7:20 PM, paul stenquist wrote: On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 6:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that. He's a millionaire investment banker who retired at the age of 50. His last investment account was something like 35 billion dollars that he was working with the CIBC. He's a very secure individual. But, you think what you want if it raises your level of self worth. I won't think any less of you for it. You're still a great storyteller Bill. Fun stuff. And you are still a supercilious prick, but I'll let it go by in the name of world peace. And because I'm secure enough to not give a damn about what you think. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:02 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 7:20 PM, paul stenquist wrote: On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 6:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that. He's a millionaire investment banker who retired at the age of 50. His last investment account was something like 35 billion dollars that he was working with the CIBC. He's a very secure individual. But, you think what you want if it raises your level of self worth. I won't think any less of you for it. You're still a great storyteller Bill. Fun stuff. And you are still a supercilious prick, but I'll let it go by in the name of world peace. And because I'm secure enough to not give a damn about what you think. -- If you were secure enough to not give a damn about what I think, you wouldn't have posted such a nasty remark. But you're a child. I know that, so I tolerate you. In fact, I find you amusing. Paul William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 01/06/2010 9:01 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Rob Studdert On 01/06/2010, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html But gullible, they don't actually make owners creative. I've been using the Macs at school for a week now. My first impression is either the Mac programmers are idiots or they think their users are. I have to read a document. It's in PDF format. I double click the icon to open it, and it doesn't open, instead I get a dialog box telling me it's a PDF document and asking me if I want to open this PDF document? Nah ... why would I want to do that? I just didn't have anything better to do than randomly open folders and double click icons. Had to buy one of those Le Cie rugged drives to store my files on and to use for transferring images from my Windoze box. The first time I started it up it had a wizard that allowed me to partition it and make a 32GB FAT32 partition both Mac Windoze can see (Windoze is supposed to be able to see it). That was pretty slick, but now every time I start it up I get a dialog asking if I want to use the drive to back up the school's Mac which requires re-formatting the entire drive with the Mac file system I wouldn't be able use it to transfer files from my Windoze box to the Mac? Only gives two options Cancel and Fuck up your hard drive. Why would they give you the option to format the drive so it can be used for both Mac and Windoze and then NOT give you the option to tell this program NO. Morons! I would rather be locked in a phone booth and forced to masturbate a rabid mountain lion with a handful of rusty barbed wire than buy a Mac. Is that a Tom or a Queen you would prefer??? This sounds like a case of you only get to do what Steve thinks you should do. Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was talking about computers with an acquaintance who is both a Mac user and an idiot. I mentioned something about file extensions and he didn't have a clue what I was talking about. He said (and I paraphrase) we don't use file extensions on Macs, we just click the icon and it opens. Apparently Macs just know what the file is by magic -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 01/06/2010 9:10 PM, paul stenquist wrote: -- If you were secure enough to not give a damn about what I think, you wouldn't have posted such a nasty remark. But you're a child. I know that, so I tolerate you. In fact, I find you amusing. There is a difference between being secure and being an asshole (I'm both). :-) You know Paul, I have a deal with members of the PDML. Once I meet them in person, I'm nice to them. I'd really like to buy you a beer at some point. Not that I'd expect you to change, but I certainly would. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:19 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 9:10 PM, paul stenquist wrote: -- If you were secure enough to not give a damn about what I think, you wouldn't have posted such a nasty remark. But you're a child. I know that, so I tolerate you. In fact, I find you amusing. There is a difference between being secure and being an asshole (I'm both). :-) You know Paul, I have a deal with members of the PDML. Once I meet them in person, I'm nice to them. I'd really like to buy you a beer at some point. Not that I'd expect you to change, but I certainly would. I hope to take you up on that. I have no real need to change. I haven't had an antagonistic relationship with anyone here, other than you, and -- at times -- Godders. However I would be happy to have the opportunity to abandon our history of contentious exchanges. I do actually enjoy your company and posts. Peace. Paul William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 01/06/2010 9:28 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I hope to take you up on that. I have no real need to change. I haven't had an antagonistic relationship with anyone here, other than you, and -- at times -- Godders. However I would be happy to have the opportunity to abandon our history of contentious exchanges. I do actually enjoy your company and posts. Peace. Paul Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbayah Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya -- Or something. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:59 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 9:28 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I hope to take you up on that. I have no real need to change. I haven't had an antagonistic relationship with anyone here, other than you, and -- at times -- Godders. However I would be happy to have the opportunity to abandon our history of contentious exchanges. I do actually enjoy your company and posts. Peace. Paul Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Apparently. Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbayah Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Someone's drinking, Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya -- Or something. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Waaatch it! Tom C. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:13 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/06/2010 9:01 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Rob Studdert On 01/06/2010, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html But gullible, they don't actually make owners creative. I've been using the Macs at school for a week now. My first impression is either the Mac programmers are idiots or they think their users are. I have to read a document. It's in PDF format. I double click the icon to open it, and it doesn't open, instead I get a dialog box telling me it's a PDF document and asking me if I want to open this PDF document? Nah ... why would I want to do that? I just didn't have anything better to do than randomly open folders and double click icons. Had to buy one of those Le Cie rugged drives to store my files on and to use for transferring images from my Windoze box. The first time I started it up it had a wizard that allowed me to partition it and make a 32GB FAT32 partition both Mac Windoze can see (Windoze is supposed to be able to see it). That was pretty slick, but now every time I start it up I get a dialog asking if I want to use the drive to back up the school's Mac which requires re-formatting the entire drive with the Mac file system I wouldn't be able use it to transfer files from my Windoze box to the Mac? Only gives two options Cancel and Fuck up your hard drive. Why would they give you the option to format the drive so it can be used for both Mac and Windoze and then NOT give you the option to tell this program NO. Morons! I would rather be locked in a phone booth and forced to masturbate a rabid mountain lion with a handful of rusty barbed wire than buy a Mac. Is that a Tom or a Queen you would prefer??? This sounds like a case of you only get to do what Steve thinks you should do. Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was talking about computers with an acquaintance who is both a Mac user and an idiot. I mentioned something about file extensions and he didn't have a clue what I was talking about. He said (and I paraphrase) we don't use file extensions on Macs, we just click the icon and it opens. Apparently Macs just know what the file is by magic -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I know there's a Mark! in here somewhere but I'm afraid to pick it out. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:01 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Rob Studdert On 01/06/2010, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html But gullible, they don't actually make owners creative. I've been using the Macs at school for a week now. My first impression is either the Mac programmers are idiots or they think their users are. I have to read a document. It's in PDF format. I double click the icon to open it, and it doesn't open, instead I get a dialog box telling me it's a PDF document and asking me if I want to open this PDF document? Nah ... why would I want to do that? I just didn't have anything better to do than randomly open folders and double click icons. Had to buy one of those Le Cie rugged drives to store my files on and to use for transferring images from my Windoze box. The first time I started it up it had a wizard that allowed me to partition it and make a 32GB FAT32 partition both Mac Windoze can see (Windoze is supposed to be able to see it). That was pretty slick, but now every time I start it up I get a dialog asking if I want to use the drive to back up the school's Mac which requires re-formatting the entire drive with the Mac file system I wouldn't be able use it to transfer files from my Windoze box to the Mac? Only gives two options Cancel and Fuck up your hard drive. Why would they give you the option to format the drive so it can be used for both Mac and Windoze and then NOT give you the option to tell this program NO. Morons! I would rather be locked in a phone booth and forced to masturbate a rabid mountain lion with a handful of rusty barbed wire than buy a Mac. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Damn I guess I don't count. :-) On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:28 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:19 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 9:10 PM, paul stenquist wrote: -- If you were secure enough to not give a damn about what I think, you wouldn't have posted such a nasty remark. But you're a child. I know that, so I tolerate you. In fact, I find you amusing. There is a difference between being secure and being an asshole (I'm both). :-) You know Paul, I have a deal with members of the PDML. Once I meet them in person, I'm nice to them. I'd really like to buy you a beer at some point. Not that I'd expect you to change, but I certainly would. I hope to take you up on that. I have no real need to change. I haven't had an antagonistic relationship with anyone here, other than you, and -- at times -- Godders. However I would be happy to have the opportunity to abandon our history of contentious exchanges. I do actually enjoy your company and posts. Peace. Paul William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/1/2010 11:13 PM, William Robb wrote:
On 01/06/2010 9:01 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Rob Studdert
On 01/06/2010, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002
study that
says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html
But gullible, they don't actually make owners creative.
I've been using the Macs at school for a week now. My first impression
is either the Mac programmers are idiots or they think their users are.
I have to read a document. It's in PDF format. I double click the icon
to open it, and it doesn't open, instead I get a dialog box telling me
it's a PDF document and asking me if I want to open this PDF document?
Nah ... why would I want to do that? I just didn't have anything better
to do than randomly open folders and double click icons.
Had to buy one of those Le Cie rugged drives to store my files on and to
use for transferring images from my Windoze box. The first time I
started it up it had a wizard that allowed me to partition it and make a
32GB FAT32 partition both Mac Windoze can see (Windoze is supposed to
be able to see it).
That was pretty slick, but now every time I start it up I get a dialog
asking if I want to use the drive to back up the school's Mac which
requires re-formatting the entire drive with the Mac file system I
wouldn't be able use it to transfer files from my Windoze box to the
Mac?
Only gives two options Cancel and Fuck up your hard drive. Why would
they give you the option to format the drive so it can be used for both
Mac and Windoze and then NOT give you the option to tell this program
NO.
Morons!
I would rather be locked in a phone booth and forced to masturbate a
rabid mountain lion with a handful of rusty barbed wire than buy a Mac.
Is that a Tom or a Queen you would prefer???
This sounds like a case of you only get to do what Steve thinks you
should do.
Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was
talking about computers with an acquaintance who is both a Mac user
and an idiot. I mentioned something about file extensions and he
didn't have a clue what I was talking about.
He said (and I paraphrase) we don't use file extensions on Macs, we
just click the icon and it opens.
Apparently Macs just know what the file is by magic
Some file systems don't use extensions, they associate programs and data
using other methods. I don't know how Apple did it in the pre OS-X
days, (I didn't care enough to actually learn), but Now I assume they
use the Unix conventions. Which don't necessarily need file extensions,
there are a variety of methods that would work without extensions that
don't involve magic. I find it very annoying that Microsoft wants to
look like Apple so much that they hide file extensions by default, even
though the extensions are there.
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-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph McAllister Sent: Tuesday, 1 June 2010 5:06 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Abobe Woes Too bad you kids weren't around when installing PageMaker took 6 800k floppies, and swapping was so much fun, EVEN on a clean install. Oh yeah, you had to have many of the OS install disks handy because Apple wouldn't let Adobe have the needed OS segments on the Adobe install disk set. The bottom line on this subject is: Neither Microsoft, nor Apple, nor Adobe, could advance the technology of their software if they had to be held back by the other's older software. SNIP And even worse, I have a legal copy of Adobe PageMaker version 3 which I can't install on current systems because it's pinned to Windows 3.11! John in Brisbane -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian Walters wrote: G'day all I've been a bit quiet lately because I'm on the road and in lurk mode. However most of the places I've stayed have either free or cheap WiFi so I've been able to get online more frequently than I thought I would. Anyway... I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ I invented 12 entirely new languages completely devoted to ways to say nasty, brutish, and vulgar things about Adobe, and then I used each of those new languages until I got tired of them. Almost worthy of sig stature. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 31/05/2010, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: BTW, Paul Butzi is the brains behind SoFoBoMo which gets underway officially tomorrow. http://www.sofobomo.org/HomePage Take a look. I had fun with it in 2009, although I'm still trying to finalise a project for this year. Good work Brian, the last shot's a cracker. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 31, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: A absolutely love the suggestion in the most recent reply on his blog: Uninstall both apps and do a complete reinstall. And then repair privileges. And if (when) that doesn't work buy a new version of the software. We're almost getting to the point of completely reinstalling a newly upgraded machine because of our Photoshop licensing problem. It comes down to a silly mistake we made, we bought an upgrade license for a single install but our previous license was actually a multi-pack so it wouldn't activate. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sooo... The guy upgraded his OS, and an app stops working. snigger Then, what happens in Windows world is that Microsoft gets the blame for issuing a faulty upgrade. Interesting that the feline thingie from Apple is so totally off the hook. /snigger However OS upgrades and Adobe don't go well together on Microsoft either, it seems. Check the responses to this Knowledge base howto: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/508/cpsid_50853.html Jostein 2010/5/31 Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm: G'day all I've been a bit quiet lately because I'm on the road and in lurk mode. However most of the places I've stayed have either free or cheap WiFi so I've been able to get online more frequently than I thought I would. Anyway... I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ BTW, Paul Butzi is the brains behind SoFoBoMo which gets underway officially tomorrow. http://www.sofobomo.org/HomePage Take a look. I had fun with it in 2009, although I'm still trying to finalise a project for this year. See ya Brian Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 31, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: A absolutely love the suggestion in the most recent reply on his blog: Uninstall both apps and do a complete reinstall. And then repair privileges. And if (when) that doesn't work buy a new version of the software. IIRC, the timeline for the release of the software was CS3 came first, Snot Leopard was released later, so this fool blaming Adobe for his woes is right up there with leaving infants in car seats on a hot day. If his install went smoothly on whatever came before Snot Leopard and is bunged up on the new OS, then Apple fucked up on their OS WRT being able to sort out Adobe's installer package. Pity that the best the fool can do is bleat on the internet about how Adobe is at fault for a failing of his precious Mac. We're almost getting to the point of completely reinstalling a newly upgraded machine because of our Photoshop licensing problem. It comes down to a silly mistake we made, we bought an upgrade license for a single install but our previous license was actually a multi-pack so it wouldn't activate. Adobe now lets you install on two machines. They are presuming that a single user might have a desktop machine and a laptop. You need to deactivate the software on the machine you are retiring before you uninstall it so that you will still have the license available to you when you go to install it on your new computer. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:28 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: On May 31, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: We're almost getting to the point of completely reinstalling a newly upgraded machine because of our Photoshop licensing problem. It comes down to a silly mistake we made, we bought an upgrade license for a single install but our previous license was actually a multi-pack so it wouldn't activate. Adobe now lets you install on two machines. They are presuming that a single user might have a desktop machine and a laptop. You need to deactivate the software on the machine you are retiring before you uninstall it so that you will still have the license available to you when you go to install it on your new computer. -- William Robb Different issue actually, Adobe's VERY restrictive on licensing, upgrades have to be the same type of license as the previous one. For example, I've got PS CS3 Extended. I don't use the extra features of Extended over Standard, but due to licensing restrictions I can't buy an upgrade version of CS5 Standard as my copy of CS3 Extended won't qualify for the upgrade key, I have to buy CS5 Extended instead. Thankfully I'm a student again and get student pricing which is as cheap as upgrades. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 31/05/2010 7:53 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Different issue actually, Adobe's VERY restrictive on licensing, upgrades have to be the same type of license as the previous one. For example, I've got PS CS3 Extended. I don't use the extra features of Extended over Standard, but due to licensing restrictions I can't buy an upgrade version of CS5 Standard as my copy of CS3 Extended won't qualify for the upgrade key, I have to buy CS5 Extended instead. Thankfully I'm a student again and get student pricing which is as cheap as upgrades. Interesting. I just tried updating from CS Extended to CS5, and was able to reach the checkout. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian Walters wrote: I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ Thanks for that, Brian. I got much more then a chuckle from it; more of a painful side-splitting effect. :) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/31/10, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. I just tried updating from CS Extended to CS5, and was able to reach the checkout. Yeah. Go ahead and buy it. Sucker. g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/30/10, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ and they say Dante was inventive in his description of Hell. I was miffed the other day when Adobe decided that, because I had the audacity to surf to their site with Firefox, I had to install a Reader Installer plug-in before I could install Reader. But the 17 disk swaps kinda takes the cake. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:29:17PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 5/30/10, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ and they say Dante was inventive in his description of Hell. I was miffed the other day when Adobe decided that, because I had the audacity to surf to their site with Firefox, I had to install a Reader Installer plug-in before I could install Reader. But the 17 disk swaps kinda takes the cake. I'm (mostly) pro-Adobe; I'm happy with Lightroom, and with Elements. But I do get pissed off when, every time I open a .PDF file, I end up with a little taskbar notifier telling me there is an update available. I've tried to turn it off a couple of different ways, but it comes back. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-05-30 18:53 , William Robb wrote: It couldn't possibly be a problem with his vaunted Mac being unable to install a piece of software, so it must be Adobe's fault. i can't vouch for the dude on the blog (are those raspberry seedlings in the grass a metaphor for software packages that don't mix?) -- something is wrong with his description because there's no way the InDesign CS3 installer would ask him for the Photoshop CS4 disk -- maybe something else on his machine asked for it, but not the CS3 installer but from long experience, and confirmed by the experience of many others with whom i correspond on InDesign and Mac OS X lists, Adobe has among the worst Mac installers of any major software distributor Anyway, during conversation, he mentioned some study or other where researchers had found that Mac users typically are somewhat less intelligent than PC users. citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/31/2010 2:06 PM, steve harley wrote:
On 2010-05-30 18:53 , William Robb wrote:
It couldn't possibly be a problem with his vaunted Mac being unable to
install a piece of software, so it must be Adobe's fault.
i can't vouch for the dude on the blog (are those raspberry seedlings
in the grass a metaphor for software packages that don't mix?) --
something is wrong with his description because there's no way the
InDesign CS3 installer would ask him for the Photoshop CS4 disk --
maybe something else on his machine asked for it, but not the CS3
installer
but from long experience, and confirmed by the experience of many
others with whom i correspond on InDesign and Mac OS X lists, Adobe
has among the worst Mac installers of any major software distributor
Anyway, during conversation, he mentioned some study or other where
researchers had found that Mac users typically are somewhat less
intelligent than PC users.
citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study
that says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html
Richer and better educated doesn't necessarly translate to more
intellegent. The money could be inherieted and one of my favorite
quotes, which seems to bear out more often than not is Seriousness is
stupidity sent to college. This is not to cast aspersions on Mac
users. Though it used to be that Mac users didn't want to know anything
about the mechanics of their boxes and Dos/Windows users were forced to.
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RE: OT - Abobe Woes
From: Brian Walters G'day all I've been a bit quiet lately because I'm on the road and in lurk mode. However most of the places I've stayed have either free or cheap WiFi so I've been able to get online more frequently than I thought I would. Anyway... I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ Let me see if I can sum this up succinctly ... y'all correct me if I get it wrong. The guy had a functioning installation of Adobe InDesign CS3, and PhotoShop CS4 BEFORE INSTALLING A NEW OPERATING SYSTEM on his Mac ... and now it's Adobe's fault that some of the files he needs are missing? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
From: William Robb On 31/05/2010 7:53 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Different issue actually, Adobe's VERY restrictive on licensing, upgrades have to be the same type of license as the previous one. For example, I've got PS CS3 Extended. I don't use the extra features of Extended over Standard, but due to licensing restrictions I can't buy an upgrade version of CS5 Standard as my copy of CS3 Extended won't qualify for the upgrade key, I have to buy CS5 Extended instead. Thankfully I'm a student again and get student pricing which is as cheap as upgrades. Interesting. I just tried updating from CS Extended to CS5, and was able to reach the checkout. But will the CS5 standard upgrade install over the CS3 Extended version? I agree it's a different issue, but Will it Blend? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
From: steve harley On 2010-05-30 18:53 , William Robb wrote: It couldn't possibly be a problem with his vaunted Mac being unable to install a piece of software, so it must be Adobe's fault. i can't vouch for the dude on the blog (are those raspberry seedlings in the grass a metaphor for software packages that don't mix?) -- something is wrong with his description because there's no way the InDesign CS3 installer would ask him for the Photoshop CS4 disk -- maybe something else on his machine asked for it, but not the CS3 installer but from long experience, and confirmed by the experience of many others with whom i correspond on InDesign and Mac OS X lists, Adobe has among the worst Mac installers of any major software distributor Anyway, during conversation, he mentioned some study or other where researchers had found that Mac users typically are somewhat less intelligent than PC users. citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html Does it really matter? Seventy-five percent of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot anyway. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 01/06/2010, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html But gullible, they don't actually make owners creative. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-05-31 15:37 , John Sessoms wrote: Does it really matter? Seventy-five percent of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot anyway. the vast majority of statistics-fabricators think it matters -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - Abobe Woes
G'day all I've been a bit quiet lately because I'm on the road and in lurk mode. However most of the places I've stayed have either free or cheap WiFi so I've been able to get online more frequently than I thought I would. Anyway... I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ BTW, Paul Butzi is the brains behind SoFoBoMo which gets underway officially tomorrow. http://www.sofobomo.org/HomePage Take a look. I had fun with it in 2009, although I'm still trying to finalise a project for this year. See ya Brian Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ and they say Dante was inventive in his description of Hell. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
Brian Walters wrote: G'day all I've been a bit quiet lately because I'm on the road and in lurk mode. However most of the places I've stayed have either free or cheap WiFi so I've been able to get online more frequently than I thought I would. Anyway... I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ A absolutely love the suggestion in the most recent reply on his blog: Uninstall both apps and do a complete reinstall. And then repair privileges. And if (when) that doesn't work buy a new version of the software. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 5/30/2010 6:40 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
G'day all
I've been a bit quiet lately because I'm on the road and in lurk mode.
However most of the places I've stayed have either free or cheap WiFi so
I've been able to get online more frequently than I thought I would.
Anyway...
I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a
chuckle.
http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/
BTW, Paul Butzi is the brains behind SoFoBoMo which gets underway
officially tomorrow.
http://www.sofobomo.org/HomePage
Take a look. I had fun with it in 2009, although I'm still trying to
finalise a project for this year.
See ya
Brian
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
I split my sides laughing, and then thought, at least no install script
I've ever written drove anyone to murder, or suicide, that know of...
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 30/05/2010 4:40 PM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all I've been a bit quiet lately because I'm on the road and in lurk mode. However most of the places I've stayed have either free or cheap WiFi so I've been able to get online more frequently than I thought I would. Anyway... I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ Typical Apple dink. It couldn't possibly be a problem with his vaunted Mac being unable to install a piece of software, so it must be Adobe's fault. My investment banker friend from Toronto was in town last week. He decided to be an investment banker because he saw more opportunities on Bay Street than he saw by finishing his PhD and teaching at the U of T. Smart guy. Retired at 50 with a comfortable multi million dollar nest egg, I am sure. Anyway, during conversation, he mentioned some study or other where researchers had found that Mac users typically are somewhat less intelligent than PC users. Mr. Butzi seems to confirm this. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 5:53 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Typical Apple dink. It couldn't possibly be a problem with his vaunted Mac being unable to install a piece of software, so it must be Adobe's fault. My investment banker friend from Toronto was in town last week. He decided to be an investment banker because he saw more opportunities on Bay Street than he saw by finishing his PhD and teaching at the U of T. Smart guy. Retired at 50 with a comfortable multi million dollar nest egg, I am sure. Anyway, during conversation, he mentioned some study or other where researchers had found that Mac users typically are somewhat less intelligent than PC users. Mr. Butzi seems to confirm this. Apple didn't write or test the Adobe installer script, William. Before you call people names, you should engage your brain. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 30/05/2010 8:21 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Apple didn't write or test the Adobe installer script, William. Before you call people names, you should engage your brain. Perhaps they should have before they released their buggy OS. Perhaps you should engage your brain before you write emails. Of course, you are a Mac user. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's so stupid even for you that writng a response answering it is a waste of time. I guess you can't engage your brain if you don't have one. Sometime you act like such a bigoted jackass. On Sunday, May 30, 2010, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/05/2010 8:21 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Apple didn't write or test the Adobe installer script, William. Before you call people names, you should engage your brain. Perhaps they should have before they released their buggy OS. Perhaps you should engage your brain before you write emails. Of course, you are a Mac user. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Abobe Woes
On 5/30/2010 10:50 PM, William Robb wrote:
On 30/05/2010 8:21 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Apple didn't write or test the Adobe installer script, William. Before
you call people names, you should engage your brain.
Perhaps they should have before they released their buggy OS.
Perhaps you should engage your brain before you write emails.
Of course, you are a Mac user.
insensitivity Pass the popcorn /insensitivity
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On 31 May 2010 12:21, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 5:53 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Typical Apple dink. It couldn't possibly be a problem with his vaunted Mac being unable to install a piece of software, so it must be Adobe's fault. My investment banker friend from Toronto was in town last week. He decided to be an investment banker because he saw more opportunities on Bay Street than he saw by finishing his PhD and teaching at the U of T. Smart guy. Retired at 50 with a comfortable multi million dollar nest egg, I am sure. Anyway, during conversation, he mentioned some study or other where researchers had found that Mac users typically are somewhat less intelligent than PC users. Mr. Butzi seems to confirm this. Apple didn't write or test the Adobe installer script, William. Before you call people names, you should engage your brain. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com http://tinyurl.com/26byp29 regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
