Re: OT - quick question for MS Office users on a PC

[P. J. Alling]

On 2/4/2013 2:20 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: "Steve Cottrell"


If you use MS Office on a PC, can you tell me: if you create a Word
document and it is a '.docx' file, can you then 'Save As' an old-
fashioned '.doc' file??

Many thanks.


You should be able to. The drop down menu may not make that clear.

I think .docx was introduced with Office/Word 2003. If you choose "save
as" an Office/Word 2000 or Office/Word 97 document it should be a .doc 
file.



Nope, Office 2003 was my last purchased version and it doesn't natively 
support docx files. Gotta download an import filter which then alters 
the files so that they lose functionality. Not that I want a lot of 
functionality in a word processing document anyway.


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Re: OT - quick question for MS Office users on a PC

[Steve Cottrell]

On 4/2/13, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>.. and on OS X v10.8 Mountain Lion, Pages and TextEdit know how to
>open .docx files now. I don't have any MS products installed, but
>between Pages, TextEdit, Numbers, and KeyNote, I can read all the
>current MS app files from Word, Excel and PowerPoint, and output to
>compatible format files as well.

Thanks mate, and thanks to all who responded - helps greatly.

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RE: OT - quick question for MS Office users on a PC

[John Sessoms]

From: "Steve Cottrell"


If you use MS Office on a PC, can you tell me: if you create a Word
document and it is a '.docx' file, can you then 'Save As' an old-
fashioned '.doc' file??

Many thanks.


You should be able to. The drop down menu may not make that clear.

I think .docx was introduced with Office/Word 2003. If you choose "save
as" an Office/Word 2000 or Office/Word 97 document it should be a .doc file.


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Re: OT - quick question for MS Office users on a PC

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Yes, you can :-) .


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On February 4, 2013 8:14:28 PM "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:

If you use MS Office on a PC, can you tell me: if you create a Word
document and it is a '.docx' file, can you then 'Save As' an old-
fashioned '.doc' file??

Many thanks.


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Re: OT - quick question for MS Office users on a PC

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Steve Cottrell wrote:
>
>>If you use MS Office on a PC, can you tell me: if you create a Word
>>document and it is a '.docx' file, can you then 'Save As' an old-
>>fashioned '.doc' file??
>>
>>Many thanks.
>
> Yes. I'm pretty sure even the latest version of Office will let you do
> that. (I know it did until Office 2008, which is the last version I
> taught.) I think it can even let you do that as *default*.
>
> I haven't upgraded my version of Office in donkey's years. I keep a
> copy of Open Office on hand for opening and creating newer format
> Office documents (and then re-save them in the old format).

.. and on OS X v10.8 Mountain Lion, Pages and TextEdit know how to
open .docx files now. I don't have any MS products installed, but
between Pages, TextEdit, Numbers, and KeyNote, I can read all the
current MS app files from Word, Excel and PowerPoint, and output to
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Re: OT - quick question for MS Office users on a PC

[Mark Roberts]

Steve Cottrell wrote:

>If you use MS Office on a PC, can you tell me: if you create a Word
>document and it is a '.docx' file, can you then 'Save As' an old-
>fashioned '.doc' file??
>
>Many thanks.

Yes. I'm pretty sure even the latest version of Office will let you do
that. (I know it did until Office 2008, which is the last version I
taught.) I think it can even let you do that as *default*.

I haven't upgraded my version of Office in donkey's years. I keep a
copy of Open Office on hand for opening and creating newer format
Office documents (and then re-save them in the old format).
 
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Re: OT - quick question for MS Office users on a PC

[Matthew Hunt]

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> If you use MS Office on a PC, can you tell me: if you create a Word
> document and it is a '.docx' file, can you then 'Save As' an old-
> fashioned '.doc' file??
>
> Many thanks.

Yes.

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OT - quick question for MS Office users on a PC

[Steve Cottrell]

If you use MS Office on a PC, can you tell me: if you create a Word
document and it is a '.docx' file, can you then 'Save As' an old-
fashioned '.doc' file??

Many thanks.


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Re: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

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I've thought about selling my K7 but I'm not sure how much I could get
for it.  So I just don't think about it.

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Jens  wrote:
> Good choice. Congrats!
> Jens
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>> The camera is bought!! Yeah
>> Steve
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>> Subject: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7
>>
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>> > Thanks guys!!!
>> > Steve
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Larry Colen, l...@red4est.com (From Droid)" 
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>> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:49 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7
>> >
>> >
>> >> K5
>> >>
>> >> Steve Larson  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Hi folks,
>> >>>Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one
>> >>>should I
>> >>>get?
>> >>>Thanks,
>> >>>Steve Larson
>> >>>
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Re: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

[Jens]

Good choice. Congrats!
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On Dec 3, 2011 22:07 "Steve Larson"  wrote:
> The camera is bought!! Yeah
> Steve
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> Subject: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7
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> > Thanks guys!!!
> > Steve
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> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7
> >
> >
> >> K5
> >>
> >> Steve Larson  wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi folks,
> >>>Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one
> >>>should I
> >>>get?
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Steve Larson
> >>>
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Re: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

[Jens]

K-5, no doubt.
I recently sold my K-7, and got the K-5.
A different world. Less noice at high ISO, Higher ISO ability.
Appr. 50.000. Forget the flash: Nice everyday shots at 8000:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/5571771712/

K-5 can utilize the new GPS-device. No more syncronizing in the computer, the 
image files are tagged on the fly - and the K-5 will set the time according to 
the GPS sattelite time. No more 21 FPS at low resolution (K-7) though, but much 
faster AF and FPS at mormal/high resolution.

I am planning to sell my K20D (which is actually a very beautiful camera - 
image quality perhaps better than K-7) and getting a second K-5 for back-up 
(because it's easier to swop between them - one for standard zoom (FA* 2.8 
28-70mm, the other for the FA* 2.8 80-200mm. Then I will of cource miss the 
tethered shooting ability of the K20D -but what the h..., you can't have 
everything :-) 

K-5 is an excellent camera IMO.

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On Dec 4, 2011 00:58 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
> On 12/3/2011 3:27 PM, Steve Larson wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one should
> > I 
> > get?
> > Thanks,
> > Steve Larson
> >
> With a mere $50.00 difference between the two the answer is obvious. 
> I 
> don't even know why you asked.
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RE: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

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Who the hell cares, Steve! Great to see you back on the list.

How long's it been?

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Subject: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

Hi folks,
 Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one should I get?
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Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

[P. J. Alling]

On 12/3/2011 3:27 PM, Steve Larson wrote:

Hi folks,
Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one should I 
get?

Thanks,
Steve Larson

With a mere $50.00 difference between the two the answer is obvious.  I 
don't even know why you asked.


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Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

[Christine Nielsen]

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Steve Larson  wrote:
> The camera is bought!! Yeah
> Steve

Phew!!  You made the right choice!

:)
-c


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> Subject: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7
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>> Thanks guys!!!
>> Steve
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen, l...@red4est.com (From
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>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7
>>
>>
>>> K5
>>>
>>> Steve Larson  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one should I
>>>> get?
>>>> Thanks,
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>>>>
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Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

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You will not be sorry for your choice!
Congratulations :)

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2011/12/3 Steve Larson :
> The camera is bought!! Yeah
> Steve
>
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> Subject: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7
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>
>> Thanks guys!!!
>> Steve
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen, l...@red4est.com (From
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>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7
>>
>>
>>> K5
>>>
>>> Steve Larson  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one should I
>>>> get?
>>>> Thanks,
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>>>>
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Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

[Paul Stenquist]

K-5, no contest. Much better low light performance, better autofocus, overall a 
much better camera.
Paul
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Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

[Steve Larson]

The camera is bought!! Yeah
Steve

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Thanks guys!!!
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K5

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Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one should I
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Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

[Steve Larson]

Thanks guys!!!
Steve

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K5

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Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one should I
get?
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Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

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K5

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>get?
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Re: Quick question, K-5 or K-7

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K5, without doubt!

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> Hi folks,
> Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one should I get?
> Thanks,
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Hi folks,
Amazon has the K-5 for $1099 and the K-7 for $1049. Which one should I get?
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Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator

[P. J. Alling]

William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: K-7, 
quick question about battery indicator




Boris,
Battery is still good to go with substantial charge left.
I bought a 2nd battery, but the K7 is not like the K10.
I had several days of shooting left after it showed 3/4 full.
(Probably several 100 photos and I'm still chimping heavily.)
This is something Pentax fixed on the K7!


I must have gotten a first gen battery.

William Robb
Or maybe it behaves very conservatively when there are two batteries 
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Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator

[Jaume Lahuerta]

- Mensaje original 

> De: Miserere 
> 
> 2009/9/3 Jaume Lahuerta :
> > - Mensaje original 
> >
> > Thanks for the advice... I was doing exactly the opposite with my K20D's 
> batteries (this is, trying to exhaust them as much as possible...).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jaume
> 
> You're welcome!
> 
> Jaume, are you Catalan by any chance?
> 

Well, not really...but close.
I was born in a Catalan-speaking area, close to the Catalan border
(that's why I have a Catalan name) and this September is the 20th
anniversary to my arrival to Barcelona, as a student at that time...ouch, 20 
years already...time flies !!!

(more details off-list, if you wish)

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[Miserere]

2009/9/3 Jaume Lahuerta :
> - Mensaje original 
>
> Thanks for the advice... I was doing exactly the opposite with my K20D's 
> batteries (this is, trying to exhaust them as much as possible...).
>
> Regards,
> Jaume

You're welcome!

Jaume, are you Catalan by any chance?


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Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator

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- Mensaje original 

> De: Miserere 
> 
> A heads-up about Li-Ion batteries: In order to get the best
> performance out of the battery and the camera, charge them well, and
> charge them often. Unlike Ni-cad batteries that suffered from "memory"
> issues if you didn't drain them completely before recharging, Li-Ion's
> don't, and in fact prefer frequent, shallow charges. The camera will
> also perform better when drawing power from a fully charged battery
> than an almost drained one.

Thanks for the advice... I was doing exactly the opposite with my K20D's 
batteries (this is, trying to exhaust them as much as possible...).

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Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator

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Hey Guys/Gals,

A heads-up about Li-Ion batteries: In order to get the best
performance out of the battery and the camera, charge them well, and
charge them often. Unlike Ni-cad batteries that suffered from "memory"
issues if you didn't drain them completely before recharging, Li-Ion's
don't, and in fact prefer frequent, shallow charges. The camera will
also perform better when drawing power from a fully charged battery
than an almost drained one.

Maybe somebody would like to compare the performance of the K-7 with a
fresh battery and an old one. Test fps and AF speed.

Li-Ion batteries are usually spec'd for 300-500 charges. These are
*full* charges, meaning if you charge the battery after it's drained
25%, 4 charges will constitute 1 full charge.

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Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator

[Paul Stenquist]

I use two batteries, one in the grip, and charge them every time I  
have a big job. The most I've shot at a time is about 700 frames, so  
I've never seen the charge indicator drop even one dit, probably never  
will.

Paul
On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Bill,
I have no experience with the battery grip or switching to the  
battery there.

I have run the K7 on the battery 'down one mark', and have
even gotten it to down two marks (1/2 full?!?), but then it's time  
to change.
I've only had one battery charge/change after 1,100 raw photos and  
chimping.

I'm sure you've had a lot more.
Regards, Bob S.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 7:54 AM, William Robb wrote:


- Original Message ----- From: "Boris Liberman"
Subject: K-7, quick question about battery indicator



Hi!

I've only one battery, so I'd rather ask than try. When it shows
"almost full" (one mark down from full) - does it mean that the
battery still has 2/3-3/4 of charge left, or is it about to expire  
any

moment, like with K10D?



When the indicator is down one dit, you have a very nearly dead  
battery. My
K-7 will switch batteries about 60 shots after the indicator drops  
one dit.


William Robb

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Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan"

Subject: Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator



Bill,
I have no experience with the battery grip or switching to the battery 
there.

I have run the K7 on the battery 'down one mark', and have
even gotten it to down two marks (1/2 full?!?), but then it's time to 
change.
I've only had one battery charge/change after 1,100 raw photos and 
chimping.

I'm sure you've had a lot more.


The battery life seems excellent. With little or no chimping, expect better 
than 1500 exposures from one battery. I don't know what the camera's 
criteria is for when it switches batteries. I have my camera set to use the 
grip battery to depletion and then switch to the body battery.
One thing I noted is that the K-7 doesn't seem to need to be shut off when 
the first battery dies to make it switch over. The K10/K20 did. I prefer 
that way as I then know when I've depleted the first battery.


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Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator

[Bob Sullivan]

Bill,
I have no experience with the battery grip or switching to the battery there.
I have run the K7 on the battery 'down one mark', and have
even gotten it to down two marks (1/2 full?!?), but then it's time to change.
I've only had one battery charge/change after 1,100 raw photos and chimping.
I'm sure you've had a lot more.
Regards, Bob S.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 7:54 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman"
> Subject: K-7, quick question about battery indicator
>
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I've only one battery, so I'd rather ask than try. When it shows
>> "almost full" (one mark down from full) - does it mean that the
>> battery still has 2/3-3/4 of charge left, or is it about to expire any
>> moment, like with K10D?
>>
>
> When the indicator is down one dit, you have a very nearly dead battery. My
> K-7 will switch batteries about 60 shots after the indicator drops one dit.
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Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan" 
Subject: Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator




Boris,
Battery is still good to go with substantial charge left.
I bought a 2nd battery, but the K7 is not like the K10.
I had several days of shooting left after it showed 3/4 full.
(Probably several 100 photos and I'm still chimping heavily.)
This is something Pentax fixed on the K7!


I must have gotten a first gen battery.

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Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman"

Subject: K-7, quick question about battery indicator



Hi!

I've only one battery, so I'd rather ask than try. When it shows
"almost full" (one mark down from full) - does it mean that the
battery still has 2/3-3/4 of charge left, or is it about to expire any
moment, like with K10D?



When the indicator is down one dit, you have a very nearly dead battery. My 
K-7 will switch batteries about 60 shots after the indicator drops one dit.


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Re: K-7, quick question about battery indicator

[Bob Sullivan]

Boris,
Battery is still good to go with substantial charge left.
I bought a 2nd battery, but the K7 is not like the K10.
I had several days of shooting left after it showed 3/4 full.
(Probably several 100 photos and I'm still chimping heavily.)
This is something Pentax fixed on the K7!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've only one battery, so I'd rather ask than try. When it shows
> "almost full" (one mark down from full) - does it mean that the
> battery still has 2/3-3/4 of charge left, or is it about to expire any
> moment, like with K10D?
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> Thanks.
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K-7, quick question about battery indicator

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

I've only one battery, so I'd rather ask than try. When it shows
"almost full" (one mark down from full) - does it mean that the
battery still has 2/3-3/4 of charge left, or is it about to expire any
moment, like with K10D?

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Re: whoa, quick question

[Mark Roberts]

Rebekah wrote:
>> Anyway, stop complaining.  I never got accepted.
> 
> :-P  goodness, don't be silly, I only got one in.  Your photos are
> consistently better than mine, especially that one on the ferry at
> night, definitely one of my favorite photos ever.

Remember, the purpose of the Pentax Gallery isn't to display great 
photographs, it's to display great photographs *that will help sell 
cameras*. The latter is a subset of the former.

Whenever I get annoyed about one of my shots being rejected I have to 
remind myself that it just means the photo won't (in their opinion) help 
them sell camera gear. That's the name of the game.

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Re: whoa, quick question

[Rebekah]

>Anyway, stop complaining.  I never got accepted.

:-P  goodness, don't be silly, I only got one in.  Your photos are
consistently better than mine, especially that one on the ferry at
night, definitely one of my favorite photos ever.

rg2

On 3/17/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > well that's freakin retarded.
> >
> >  thanks for the info
>
> It's not retarded.
>
> It's challenged.  It's differently-abled.  It's special.
>
> Certainly not retarded...
>
> Anyway, stop complaining.  I never got accepted.  I sent about 12 or
> 13 photos, all got summarily rejected, so I stopped submitting.  Like
> a baby, I picked up my toys and went elsewhere.
>
> Well, actually, I didn't go elsewhere, I just went away from them.
>
> Seems the judge/participants have a problem with blur and tilt.  Such
> prejudices!
>
> ;-)
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> cheers,
> frnak
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Re: whoa, quick question

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On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> well that's freakin retarded.
>
>  thanks for the info

It's not retarded.

It's challenged.  It's differently-abled.  It's special.

Certainly not retarded...

Anyway, stop complaining.  I never got accepted.  I sent about 12 or
13 photos, all got summarily rejected, so I stopped submitting.  Like
a baby, I picked up my toys and went elsewhere.

Well, actually, I didn't go elsewhere, I just went away from them.

Seems the judge/participants have a problem with blur and tilt.  Such
prejudices!

;-)

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Re: whoa, quick question

[Rebekah]

>your photo is not up for votes again. Only for Pentax approval.

wow, thanks, good to know!  I was sweating bullets

rg2

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> whatever.
>
> As Paul, P.J. and David says, it's therefore back in the review process.
>
> However, and that's been changed some time just before Christmas,
> IIRC, your photo is not up for votes again. Only for Pentax approval.
>
> Jostein
>
>
> 2008/3/17, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I just updated a bit of incorrect information on a photo of mine that
> > was part of the Pentax photo gallery and its status changed from
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> > Eek!  Did I just kick myself out of the gallery?
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[AlunFoto]

Pentax wants a safety net whereby they can pick up on altered
comments. As a precaution against profanities, obscenities or
whatever.

As Paul, P.J. and David says, it's therefore back in the review process.

However, and that's been changed some time just before Christmas,
IIRC, your photo is not up for votes again. Only for Pentax approval.

Jostein


2008/3/17, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I just updated a bit of incorrect information on a photo of mine that
> was part of the Pentax photo gallery and its status changed from
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> Eek!  Did I just kick myself out of the gallery?
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Re: whoa, quick question

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At 08:57 AM 17/03/2008, Rebekah wrote:
>I just updated a bit of incorrect information on a photo of mine that
>was part of the Pentax photo gallery and its status changed from
>"accepted in gallery" to "back in review"
>
>Eek!  Did I just kick myself out of the gallery?


As Paul said it's now back in the review process.

In a moment of bone headedness I corrected a typo and had to go 
through the same thing. It took about 3 weeks but it was eventually 
re accepted.

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Re: whoa, quick question

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Yes, yes you did.

Rebekah wrote:
> I just updated a bit of incorrect information on a photo of mine that
> was part of the Pentax photo gallery and its status changed from
> "accepted in gallery" to "back in review"
>
> Eek!  Did I just kick myself out of the gallery?
>
>
> rg2
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[Rebekah]

well that's freakin retarded.

thanks for the info

rg2

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> the gauntlet all over again.
> Paul
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> > was part of the Pentax photo gallery and its status changed from
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Yes. You're out. Updating information is a no-no. You're basically starting 
over. It's a problem with the gallery. You can't correct info without running 
the gauntlet all over again.
Paul
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> was part of the Pentax photo gallery and its status changed from
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whoa, quick question

[Rebekah]

I just updated a bit of incorrect information on a photo of mine that
was part of the Pentax photo gallery and its status changed from
"accepted in gallery" to "back in review"

Eek!  Did I just kick myself out of the gallery?


rg2

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Re: Strange *ist-D flash behavior. A quick question for those still using "old" equipment.

[Doug Franklin]

Hi Peter,

P. J. Alling wrote:
> When I mounted 
> a AF280 flash the camera worked perfectly for the first few shots then 
> seemed to be trying to PTTL with that flash, which of course the flash 
> is not capable of doing.  I then swapped the flash to the *ist-Ds where 
> it worked as advertised.  I was carrying a light kit so my backup flash 
> was an AF200.  Out of necessity I decided to try that on the *ist-D and 
> it worked perfectly.  Later on I swapped them and the *ist-D once again 
> misbehaved.  Has anyone seen this?  If so did the fix involve something 
> other than sending the camera out for repair?

I've never seen behavior like that using my AF-280T on my *ist D.  I'm 
guessing you've already tried cleaning the contacts on both the flash 
and the camera's hot shoe?  Have you tried using it with the off camera 
adapters and cable?  It sounds to me like there's an intermittent 
problem in one of the wires on the flash's foot or the camera's shoe. 
Or it's seriously Tango Uniform and only Pentax can resurrect it. :-)

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Re: Strange *ist-D flash behavior. A quick question for those still using "old" equipment.

[David J Brooks]

Sorry Peter, i have never tried my 280 on the istD.

Dave

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> Quick question for those still using "old" equipment.  I had to shoot an
> event a week ago and my *ist-D started acting strangely.  When I mounted
> a AF280 flash the camera worked perfectly for the first few shots then
> seemed to be trying to PTTL with that flash, which of course the flash
> is not capable of doing.  I then swapped the flash to the *ist-Ds where
> it worked as advertised.  I was carrying a light kit so my backup flash
> was an AF200.  Out of necessity I decided to try that on the *ist-D and
> it worked perfectly.  Later on I swapped them and the *ist-D once again
> misbehaved.  Has anyone seen this?  If so did the fix involve something
> other than sending the camera out for repair?  I'm currently planning to
> keep the *ist-D as a backup when I get the K10D, (or K20D depending on
> which makes the most sense in the next couple of months, funny talking
> about a camera that hasn't been officially announced yet).  The *ist-D
> is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I expect that I'll get more for
> the Ds on the used market, and repair of the D might not even be
> economically feasible, (once the K20d is announced).
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Strange *ist-D flash behavior. A quick question for those still using "old" equipment.

[P. J. Alling]

Quick question for those still using "old" equipment.  I had to shoot an 
event a week ago and my *ist-D started acting strangely.  When I mounted 
a AF280 flash the camera worked perfectly for the first few shots then 
seemed to be trying to PTTL with that flash, which of course the flash 
is not capable of doing.  I then swapped the flash to the *ist-Ds where 
it worked as advertised.  I was carrying a light kit so my backup flash 
was an AF200.  Out of necessity I decided to try that on the *ist-D and 
it worked perfectly.  Later on I swapped them and the *ist-D once again 
misbehaved.  Has anyone seen this?  If so did the fix involve something 
other than sending the camera out for repair?  I'm currently planning to 
keep the *ist-D as a backup when I get the K10D, (or K20D depending on 
which makes the most sense in the next couple of months, funny talking 
about a camera that hasn't been officially announced yet).  The *ist-D 
is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I expect that I'll get more for 
the Ds on the used market, and repair of the D might not even be 
economically feasible, (once the K20d is announced).

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Re: Quick question

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: Quick question


> OK, but no ourageous export duties on Potatoes...
> 

How about we put potatoes under the CWB umbrella?

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Re: Quick question

[Bob Sullivan]

OK, but no ourageous export duties on Potatoes...


On 10/7/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Sullivan"
> Subject: Re: Quick question
>
>
> > No, no, no!  We never agreed to take the Frenchies.
> > You gotta keep them, or spin them off.
> > We've already got two official languages - English and Spanish.
> > There is no room for a third official language.
> >
> > Maybe we could help you out with Quebec, but not until after the Iraq
> > war.
> > Then we could send Bret Farve and the returning Louisiana national
> > guard
> > up there to show them how to play football and be right thinking
> > 'mericans!
>
> OK, We'll scede Quebec to Denmark, and settle the Han Island dispute
> once and for all.
> In return for helping you guys to dodge that bullet, we get Oregon and
> Idaho.
>
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Re: Quick question

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- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Quick question


> No, no, no!  We never agreed to take the Frenchies.
> You gotta keep them, or spin them off.
> We've already got two official languages - English and Spanish.
> There is no room for a third official language.
>
> Maybe we could help you out with Quebec, but not until after the Iraq 
> war.
> Then we could send Bret Farve and the returning Louisiana national 
> guard
> up there to show them how to play football and be right thinking 
> 'mericans!

OK, We'll scede Quebec to Denmark, and settle the Han Island dispute 
once and for all.
In return for helping you guys to dodge that bullet, we get Oregon and 
Idaho.

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Re: Quick question

[Bob Sullivan]

No, no, no!  We never agreed to take the Frenchies.
You gotta keep them, or spin them off.
We've already got two official languages - English and Spanish.
There is no room for a third official language.

Maybe we could help you out with Quebec, but not until after the Iraq war.
Then we could send Bret Farve and the returning Louisiana national guard
up there to show them how to play football and be right thinking 'mericans!

Regards,  Bob S.

On 10/6/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Sullivan"
> Subject: Re: Quick question
>
>
> > Boris,
> > These states were added during my lifetime to the USA.
> > They were territories and lobbied to become states with full voting
> > rights.
> > Hawaii is a long way from the mainland USA and occupied by Japanese
> > tourists.
> > Alaska is still a frontier town with the population in wet coastal
> > areas.
> > (It's part of our plan to annex the west coast of Canada and then
> > Ontario,
> > leave the Frenchies to stew in their own juices.)
>
> We've already decided; you guys get Quebec, we get New Mexico.
>
> William Robb
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Re: Quick question

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C" 
Subject: Re: Quick question


> You didn't include it in the list of other states...

They are in a state of confusion.
We don't pay them much heed.

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Re: Quick question

[Tom C]

You didn't include it in the list of other states...



Tom C.



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- Original Message -----
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Quick question


 > What about New Brunswick?

What about it?

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RE: Quick question

[Bill Owens]

How about you keep Quebec and we'll trade you Mississippi for New Mexico.

Bill

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What about New Brunswick?



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Re: Quick question

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C" 
Subject: Re: Quick question


> What about New Brunswick?

What about it?

William Robb


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Re: Quick question

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Quick question


>I think we want to negotiate.  Will you take California too?
> 

No, but we will consider Oregon and Idaho.

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Re: Quick question

[P. J. Alling]

I think we want to negotiate.  Will you take California too?

William Robb wrote:

>- Original Message - 
>From: "Bob Sullivan"
>Subject: Re: Quick question
>
>
>  
>
>>Boris,
>>These states were added during my lifetime to the USA.
>>They were territories and lobbied to become states with full voting 
>>rights.
>>Hawaii is a long way from the mainland USA and occupied by Japanese 
>>tourists.
>>Alaska is still a frontier town with the population in wet coastal 
>>areas.
>>(It's part of our plan to annex the west coast of Canada and then 
>>Ontario,
>>leave the Frenchies to stew in their own juices.)
>>
>>
>
>We've already decided; you guys get Quebec, we get New Mexico.
>
>William Robb 
>
>
>
>  
>


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Re: Quick question

[Tom C]

What about New Brunswick?



Tom C.







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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:09:54 -0600


- Original Message -
From: "Boris Liberman"
Subject: Quick question


 > Hi!
 >
 > People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" in regard to some of the
 > United
 > States. What are the states that do not belong to low 48?

BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, Nove Scotia, PEI,
Newfoundland, Yukon, NW Territories, Nunavit, Hawaii and Alaska.

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Re: Quick question

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman"
Subject: Quick question


> Hi!
>
> People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" in regard to some of the
> United
> States. What are the states that do not belong to low 48?

BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, Nove Scotia, PEI,
Newfoundland, Yukon, NW Territories, Nunavit, Hawaii and Alaska.

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Re: Quick question

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: Quick question


> Boris,
> These states were added during my lifetime to the USA.
> They were territories and lobbied to become states with full voting 
> rights.
> Hawaii is a long way from the mainland USA and occupied by Japanese 
> tourists.
> Alaska is still a frontier town with the population in wet coastal 
> areas.
> (It's part of our plan to annex the west coast of Canada and then 
> Ontario,
> leave the Frenchies to stew in their own juices.)

We've already decided; you guys get Quebec, we get New Mexico.

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Re: Quick question

[Douglas Newman]

--- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<< "The Lower 48" means the same thing as "Continental
 US", or "the contiguous states". >>

No, no, no, Alaska IS continental... It's not an
island! (Neither is Rhode Island, but that's another
story ;-).)

Continguous, on the other hand, does indeed refer to
the same states as the "lower 48".

I believe this term originated in post-statehood
Alaska as we are "lower" than they are. Today it is
really rather obsolete since Hawaii is in fact just as
"low" as most of the "lower" states (and lower than
many of them), but nonetheless it is still a popular
term.

New Doug

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Re: Quick question

[Douglas Newman]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The term most often used is "Lower 48," sometimes -
> more rarely - is Continental US 

That's 49 states; Alaska is Continental.

The Lower 48 is equivalent to the Contiguous US.

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Re: Quick question

[Norman Baugher]

Canada.

From: "Boris Liberman" > 
> People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" in regard to some of the United 
> States. What are the states that do not belong to low 48?
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Re: Quick question

[graywolf]

Alaska and Hawaii. "The Lower 48" means the same thing as "Continental 
US", or "the contiguous states". There is beyond those 50 states the 
District of Columbia (federal capital) and a couple of protectorates 
whose people are considered US Citizens. However the US is slowly 
becoming part of Mexico by osmosis.

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Boris Liberman wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" in regard to some of the United 
> States. What are the states that do not belong to low 48?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Boris
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Re: Quick question

[P. J. Alling]

Alaska, Hawaii, and any non State overseas possessions such as Puerto Rico.

Boris Liberman wrote:

>Hi!
>
>People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" in regard to some of the United 
>States. What are the states that do not belong to low 48?
>
>Thanks.
>
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>
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Re: Quick question

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

> The term most often used is "Lower 48," sometimes - more rarely - is
> Continental US (you may have seen the abbreviation CONUS).  The two states
> you asked about are Alaska and Hawaii.

Great many thanks everyone who responded.

Well, now I am just a little bit wiser ;-).

Thanks again!

Boris

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Re: Quick question

[Bob Sullivan]

Boris,
These states were added during my lifetime to the USA.
They were territories and lobbied to become states with full voting rights.
Hawaii is a long way from the mainland USA and occupied by Japanese tourists.
Alaska is still a frontier town with the population in wet coastal areas.
(It's part of our plan to annex the west coast of Canada and then Ontario,
leave the Frenchies to stew in their own juices.)
Regards,  Bob S.

On 10/6/06, Tom Lesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alaska and Hawaii.
>
> Tom Lesser
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" in regard to some of the United
> > States. What are the states that do not belong to low 48?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Boris
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Re: Quick question

[Adam Maas]

Alaska and Hawaii, which are not contiguous to the other 48 states, 
Hawaii being a chain of Islands, and Alaska having Canada in between it 
and the rest of the Continental US.

-Adam


Boris Liberman wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" in regard to some of the United 
> States. What are the states that do not belong to low 48?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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RE: Quick question

[Shel Belinkoff]

The term most often used is "Lower 48," sometimes - more rarely - is
Continental US (you may have seen the abbreviation CONUS).  The two states
you asked about are Alaska and Hawaii.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Boris Liberman 

> People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" 
> in regard to some of the United States. 
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Quick question

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" in regard to some of the United 
States. What are the states that do not belong to low 48?

Thanks.

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Re: Quick question

[Tom Lesser]

Alaska and Hawaii.

Tom Lesser


On Oct 6, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
>
> People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" in regard to some of the United
> States. What are the states that do not belong to low 48?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Boris
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Re: Quick question

[pnstenquist]

Hawaii and Alaska.

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> People often say "lower 48" or "low 48" in regard to some of the United 
> States. What are the states that do not belong to low 48?
> 
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Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Boris 
Liberman) wrote:

> I am very happy with it. It just works and the whole upgrade process is 
> totally painless... Just follow the instructions and use fresh(ly 
> charged) set of batteries...

OK, that's one *istD with 1.00 firmware upgraded to the latest 1.12 with 
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Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


Thibouille, there a special "green" button *on top* of D that you have
to press in order to close the aperture and perform metering...


This is with updated firmware (standard in new bodies) isn't it? 

I'm still on the 1.0 firmware with an early *istD body, and wondering 
about updating.


John, that's correct - you'll have to upgrade the firmware to enable the 
green button trick.


I've upgraded, to the 1.11 I think. The one which is one version behind 
the very latest...


I am very happy with it. It just works and the whole upgrade process is 
totally painless... Just follow the instructions and use fresh(ly 
charged) set of batteries...


Boris

Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[P. J. Alling]

If you want to use Photo Assistant with K/M lenses it is.  Otherwise I 
wouldn't worry about it.  (Though you might want to download it since 
you never know).


Larry Levy wrote:


John Dalman, in a fit of adventure, wondered


I'm still on the 1.0 firmware with an early *istD body, and wondering
about updating.


John,

The update does positive things. It's existence was the clincher in my 
determination to go with the D. It allows me to use my non-automatic 
K-mount lenses in a simple, convenient way. I certainly am not sorry 
that I upgraded.


My question is - since I don't use more than 1 gigabyte CF cards (I'm 
a many basket kind of guy), is the latest upgrade important?


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Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Larry Levy]

John Dalman, in a fit of adventure, wondered

I'm still on the 1.0 firmware with an early *istD body, and wondering
about updating.


John,

The update does positive things. It's existence was the clincher in my 
determination to go with the D. It allows me to use my non-automatic K-mount 
lenses in a simple, convenient way. I certainly am not sorry that I 
upgraded.


My question is - since I don't use more than 1 gigabyte CF cards (I'm a many 
basket kind of guy), is the latest upgrade important?


Larry in Dallas 

Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Thibouille]

Excellent :)
Thanks for making sure.

2005/5/25, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> It's TTL with K lenses.
> I don't use it much but I double checked this morning.
> Good exposures from 2.8 to 11.
> 
> Don
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:24 AM
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
> >
> >
> > Paul are you sure it gives only full power with old lenses, I know the
> > Ds is documented to only give full power but it seems that the D is TTL
> > with old K mount lenses.  I don't think I've gotten a bad flash exposure
> > with the internal flash with K mount lenses yet.  (I'll have to check).
> >
> > Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >
> > > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives
> > > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use
> > > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash
> > > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty
> > > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly
> > > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless.
> > > Paul
> > > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote:
> > >
> > >> Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
> > >> integrated flash does regular TTL, right?
> > >>
> > >> If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS.
> > >> --
> > >> Thibouille
> > >> --
> > >> Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > A man's only as old as the woman he feels.
> >   --Groucho Marx
> >
> 
> 


-- 
--
Thibouille
--
Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...

RE: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Don Sanderson]

It's TTL with K lenses.
I don't use it much but I double checked this morning.
Good exposures from 2.8 to 11.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:24 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
> 
> 
> Paul are you sure it gives only full power with old lenses, I know the 
> Ds is documented to only give full power but it seems that the D is TTL 
> with old K mount lenses.  I don't think I've gotten a bad flash exposure 
> with the internal flash with K mount lenses yet.  (I'll have to check).
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives 
> > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use 
> > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash 
> > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty 
> > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly 
> > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless.
> > Paul
> > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote:
> >
> >> Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
> >> integrated flash does regular TTL, right?
> >>
> >> If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS.
> >> --
> >> Thibouille
> >> --
> >> Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> A man's only as old as the woman he feels.
>   --Groucho Marx
> 

RE: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Don Sanderson]

You'll love it, I do.
I have very few complaints considering the price point.
And I complain about EVERYTHING! ;-)

Congrats
Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Thibouille [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:54 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
>
>
> Ordered :D
>
> 2005/5/25, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Alright, so I'll go for the D then.
> > 100 euros more than the DS but having a couple older lenses the D is
> > better suited IMO.
> >
> > Will keep you informed when I'll have it :p
> >
> > 2005/5/25, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > I've heard the DS doesn't do TTL flash with non-A lenses
> > > but my D certainly does.
> > > I just tried it again with an old Promaster (non-A) lens.
> > > Proper exposure and obvious flash output difference at
> > > 2.8, 5.6 and 11.
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:24 AM
> > > > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old
> lenses. It gives
> > > > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use
> > > > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash
> > > > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty
> > > > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly
> > > > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless.
> > > > Paul
> > > > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so
> on but the
> > > > > integrated flash does regular TTL, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather
> than the DS.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Thibouille
> > > > > --
> > > > > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Thibouille
> > --
> > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
> >
>
>
> --
> --
> Thibouille
> --
> Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
>

Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[John Dallman]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Boris Liberman) wrote:

> Thibouille, there a special "green" button *on top* of D that you have
> to press in order to close the aperture and perform metering...

This is with updated firmware (standard in new bodies) isn't it? 

I'm still on the 1.0 firmware with an early *istD body, and wondering 
about updating.

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Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Thibouille]

Ordered :D

2005/5/25, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Alright, so I'll go for the D then.
> 100 euros more than the DS but having a couple older lenses the D is
> better suited IMO.
> 
> Will keep you informed when I'll have it :p
> 
> 2005/5/25, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I've heard the DS doesn't do TTL flash with non-A lenses
> > but my D certainly does.
> > I just tried it again with an old Promaster (non-A) lens.
> > Proper exposure and obvious flash output difference at
> > 2.8, 5.6 and 11.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:24 AM
> > > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
> > >
> > >
> > > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives
> > > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use
> > > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash
> > > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty
> > > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly
> > > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless.
> > > Paul
> > > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote:
> > >
> > > > Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
> > > > integrated flash does regular TTL, right?
> > > >
> > > > If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS.
> > > > --
> > > > Thibouille
> > > > --
> > > > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> --
> --
> Thibouille
> --
> Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
> 


-- 
--
Thibouille
--
Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...

Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[P. J. Alling]

Paul are you sure it gives only full power with old lenses, I know the 
Ds is documented to only give full power but it seems that the D is TTL 
with old K mount lenses.  I don't think I've gotten a bad flash exposure 
with the internal flash with K mount lenses yet.  (I'll have to check).


Paul Stenquist wrote:

The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives 
you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use 
it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash 
other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty 
simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly 
believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless.

Paul
On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote:


Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
integrated flash does regular TTL, right?

If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS.
--
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--
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--
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Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Thibouille]

Alright, so I'll go for the D then.
100 euros more than the DS but having a couple older lenses the D is
better suited IMO.

Will keep you informed when I'll have it :p

2005/5/25, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've heard the DS doesn't do TTL flash with non-A lenses
> but my D certainly does.
> I just tried it again with an old Promaster (non-A) lens.
> Proper exposure and obvious flash output difference at
> 2.8, 5.6 and 11.
> 
> Don
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:24 AM
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
> >
> >
> > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives
> > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use
> > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash
> > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty
> > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly
> > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless.
> > Paul
> > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote:
> >
> > > Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
> > > integrated flash does regular TTL, right?
> > >
> > > If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS.
> > > --
> > > Thibouille
> > > --
> > > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
> > >
> >
> 
> 


-- 
--
Thibouille
--
Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...

Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[P. J. Alling]

Actually pressing the green button sets the correct shutter speed, 
basically stop down hyper manual, using
the DOF on the *ist-D gives continuous stop down metering as long as the 
DOF is on in manual mode.  It
also switches shutter speed to the rear wheel, (thought the front wheel 
shutter control is still active).


Jostein wrote:


Thibouille,

Not the DOF button, which is the same collar around the release button that you
turn off the camera with. Same design as the MZ-S, btw.

Metering with pre-"A" lenses happens when using the "Green button". It's located
on top of the camera. With "A" and later lenses, the same button is used in
Hyper Program mode to return to the camera-selected combination of aperture and
shutter speed.

The integrated flash is TTL, yes. It gives TTL also with pre-"A" lenses, I
think.

Jostein


Quoting Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

 


Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
integrated flash does regular TTL, right?

If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. 
--

Thibouille
--
Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...


   







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RE: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Don Sanderson]

I've heard the DS doesn't do TTL flash with non-A lenses
but my D certainly does.
I just tried it again with an old Promaster (non-A) lens.
Proper exposure and obvious flash output difference at
2.8, 5.6 and 11.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:24 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
> 
> 
> The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives 
> you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use 
> it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash 
> other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty 
> simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly 
> believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless.
> Paul
> On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote:
> 
> > Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
> > integrated flash does regular TTL, right?
> >
> > If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS.
> > --
> > Thibouille
> > --
> > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
> >
> 

Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Paul Stenquist]

I could be wrong about the integrated flash providing full power with 
old lenses. Someone who has time should check the manual. (I have to go 
to work.)  I know I've used it successfully (more or less) with old 
lenses, but I thought I was gauging exposure. Of course if it is TTL, I 
would be gauging exposure correctly every time :-).

Paul
On May 25, 2005, at 6:23 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives 
you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use 
it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash 
other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty 
simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly 
believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless.

Paul
On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote:


Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
integrated flash does regular TTL, right?

If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS.
--
Thibouille
--
Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...

Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Paul Stenquist]

The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives 
you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use 
it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash 
other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty 
simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly 
believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless.

Paul
On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote:


Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
integrated flash does regular TTL, right?

If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS.
--
Thibouille
--
Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...

Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Jostein]

Thibouille,

Not the DOF button, which is the same collar around the release button that you
turn off the camera with. Same design as the MZ-S, btw.

Metering with pre-"A" lenses happens when using the "Green button". It's located
on top of the camera. With "A" and later lenses, the same button is used in
Hyper Program mode to return to the camera-selected combination of aperture and
shutter speed.

The integrated flash is TTL, yes. It gives TTL also with pre-"A" lenses, I
think.

Jostein


Quoting Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
> integrated flash does regular TTL, right?
> 
> If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. 
> --
> Thibouille
> --
> Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
> 
> 





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Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Derby Chang]

Boris Liberman wrote:


Hi!

 


Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
integrated flash does regular TTL, right?

If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS.
   



Thibouille, there a special "green" button *on top* of D that you have
to press in order to close the aperture and perform metering...
 




And for the DS, it's the AE-L button. Easy as.


The integrated flash seems to be proper TTL flash, yes...

HTH.

 




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Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

> Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
> integrated flash does regular TTL, right?
> 
> If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS.

Thibouille, there a special "green" button *on top* of D that you have
to press in order to close the aperture and perform metering...

The integrated flash seems to be proper TTL flash, yes...

HTH.

-- 
Boris

Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure

[Thibouille]

Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the
integrated flash does regular TTL, right?

If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. 
--
Thibouille
--
Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...

Re: Quick question of lenses

[David Oswald]

I owned the SMC Pentax-FA 28-70mm f/4 AL for a year or two.  It came 
with my ZX-5n kit.  ...best "kit" lens I've ever seen.  It got pretty 
good reviews too.  I only sold it when I finally decided I needed a 
28-105 instead.  I've never really missed it now, but I was always very 
confident in its performance when I owned it.

Henri Toivonen wrote:
Which one is better as a carryround normal zoom for my SFX:
F35-70/3.5-4.5
FA28-70/4.0 AL
/Henri
 

RE: Quick question of lenses

[Don Sanderson]

Hi Henri,
My 28-70 was one of the ones that died of element seperation,
I liked it a lot. No parts are available.
I use the 35-70/3.5-4.5 in it's place and have been quite
satisfied with it.
Macro ability is pretty good too.

This is the only example I could find quickly:
http://www.donsauction.com/pdml/Chain.htm

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Henri Toivonen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:49 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Quick question of lenses
> 
> 
> Which one is better as a carryround normal zoom for my SFX:
> 
> F35-70/3.5-4.5
> FA28-70/4.0 AL
> 
> /Henri
> <http://stans-photography.info/BriefComments.html#28-70%20mm%20f/4
.0%20FA%20AL> 

Re: Quick question of lenses

[Carlos Royo]

Henri Toivonen escribió:
Which one is better as a carryround normal zoom for my SFX:
F35-70/3.5-4.5
FA28-70/4.0 AL
I've had (and sold) both of these lenses. Both of them are fine, but the 
28-70 is a tad better. It has fabulous flare resistance, and it is quite 
sharp, except at 28 mm f:4.0, at this aperture it is soft at the corners 
of the frame, particularly when shooting low contrast scenes.
The 35-70 is also soft at 35 mm 3.5, but in this case all over the 
frame. I would say that this lens is slightly better at 50 and 70 mm. 
and f:8 or f:11 than the 28-70, but only by a narrow margin.
The bad thing about the FA 28-70 is that a good number of users have 
reported that many of them develop a nasty whitish veil between two 
elements after some years of use. It seems a case of defective lens cement.

Carlos

Re: Quick question of lenses

[Alan Chan]

--- Henri Toivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which one is better as a carryround normal zoom for my SFX:
> F35-70/3.5-4.5
> FA28-70/4.0 AL

Probably the FA28-70/4, but inspect carefully when buying used because it's 
rather
prone to foggy elements and broken plastic parts inside. Not exactly a well 
built
lens, though optically good when works.

Alan Chan
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Quick question of lenses

[Henri Toivonen]

Which one is better as a carryround normal zoom for my SFX:
F35-70/3.5-4.5
FA28-70/4.0 AL
/Henri
 

Re: quick question about protective filters

[Bob W]

Hi,

Wednesday, December 15, 2004, 3:03:34 AM, Mishka wrote:

> Any knowledge here about Contax filters? They seem to be quite cheap new, but
> I amnot sure if they are multicoated or not.

they are multicoated, in general. Some of them are not, but this is
true for all brands. They are very well made.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: quick question about protective filters

[Mishka]

Any knowledge here about Contax filters? They seem to be quite cheap new, but
I amnot sure if they are multicoated or not.

Mishka

RE: quick question about protective filters

[Amita Guha]

Thanks, Bob. I ended up with a couple of B+Ws on the recommendation of a
sales guy at B&H.  

Amita


> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Two surfaces out of perhaps 11 that are probably in your
> lens? Probably not. 
> Not that can be observed without scientific insturmentation anyway.
> 
> Regards,
> Bob...
> 
> From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> > For those of you who like to keep UV filters on your lenses for 
> > protection, is there any difference between the Pentax SMC filters 
> > and,
> say, the B&W
> > or
> > Hoya multi-coated filters?
> 
> 

Re: quick question about protective filters

[Alan Chan]

--- Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For those of you who like to keep UV filters on your lenses for protection,
> is there any difference between the Pentax SMC filters and, say, the B&W or
> Hoya multi-coated filters?

If you mean the multicoated only, I have found PENTAX SMC is slighty better than
HOYA SUPER HMC which is much better than their original HMC. However, since 
SUPER
HMC is as expensive as SMC, you might just go for SMC if possible. PENTAX 
filters
also have thinner and higher quality rims. Don't know about B+W MRC, but their 
rims
are thick.

=
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Re: quick question about protective filters

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Amita Guha"
Subject: RE: quick question about protective filters


We've had this discussion before and I know I've mentioned that I 
like to
use UV filters for protection. But thanks for the advice anyway. ;)
With this in mind, I would go for the top end B+W filters.
I believe the metal is better in them, and the glass and coatings are 
certainly top drawer as well.

William Robb