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Antonio said: As to the international nature of the list (and I am only mentioning it because you brought it up) I do not see what bearing this has on anything - surely in times of conflict dialogue and debate should be welcomed between those with differing opinions - the way the world seems to be going debate and consensus are fast being replaced by the gun and alienation, the you are with us or against us type attitude. Experience has shown that most members of this list do not want inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects debated HERE, even if they are valid and useful subjects for dialogue and debate ELSEWHERE. You're right, people should discuss these things. But NOT in a forum where they generally agree to set such differences aside to discuss a subject of mutual interest. This would be such a forum. We have enough fun games with the inflammatory ON-topic subjects!! ERN
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Ern, Having followed this list for the past year without contributing my impression was that you discussed OT topics here all the time. A. On 21 May 2004, at 14:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Antonio said: As to the international nature of the list (and I am only mentioning it because you brought it up) I do not see what bearing this has on anything - surely in times of conflict dialogue and debate should be welcomed between those with differing opinions - the way the world seems to be going debate and consensus are fast being replaced by the gun and alienation, the you are with us or against us type attitude. Experience has shown that most members of this list do not want inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects debated HERE, even if they are valid and useful subjects for dialogue and debate ELSEWHERE. You're right, people should discuss these things. But NOT in a forum where they generally agree to set such differences aside to discuss a subject of mutual interest. This would be such a forum. We have enough fun games with the inflammatory ON-topic subjects!! ERN
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Antonio: Having followed this list for the past year without contributing my impression was that you discussed OT topics here all the time. in response to my comment: Experience has shown that most members of this list do not want inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects debated HERE, even if they are valid and useful subjects for dialogue and debate ELSEWHERE. You're right, people should discuss these things. But NOT in a forum where they generally agree to set such differences aside to discuss a subject of mutual interest. This would be such a forum. We have enough fun games with the inflammatory ON-topic subjects!! The key word was inflammatory. ERN
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I'm getting tired of this idiot. The man said, ...inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects... WHAT PART OF THE WORD INFLAMMATORY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? Regards, Bob... --- No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having followed this list for the past year without contributing my impression was that you discussed OT topics here all the time. On 21 May 2004, at 14:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Experience has shown that most members of this list do not want inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects debated HERE, even if they are valid and useful subjects for dialogue and debate ELSEWHERE. You're right, people should discuss these things. But NOT in a forum where they generally agree to set such differences aside to discuss a subject of mutual interest. This would be such a forum. We have enough fun games with the inflammatory ON-topic subjects!!
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Well Bob, calling someone an idiot is pretty inflammatory in most peoples book, not to mention rude. As to inflammatory topics, there is no such thing. Controversial perhaps, hotly debated certainly, but not inflammatory. In any event, all I have done is join discussions that were already ongoing. Take it up with the people who started the topic. Antonio On 21 May 2004, at 15:49, Bob Blakely wrote: I'm getting tired of this idiot. The man said, ...inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects... WHAT PART OF THE WORD INFLAMMATORY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? Regards, Bob... --- No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having followed this list for the past year without contributing my impression was that you discussed OT topics here all the time. On 21 May 2004, at 14:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Experience has shown that most members of this list do not want inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects debated HERE, even if they are valid and useful subjects for dialogue and debate ELSEWHERE. You're right, people should discuss these things. But NOT in a forum where they generally agree to set such differences aside to discuss a subject of mutual interest. This would be such a forum. We have enough fun games with the inflammatory ON-topic subjects!!
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Antonio Aparicio wrote: Ern, Having followed this list for the past year without contributing my impression was that you discussed OT topics here all the time. A. Yeah, you're right. Usually just long enough for everybody to climb all over the transgressor, and make him or her feel sorry they even bothered to get up that morning! g Given that, go right ahead, but do choose your topics wisely. Some will waken the Inappropriate Topic harpies and then look out! keith whaley On 21 May 2004, at 14:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Antonio said: As to the international nature of the list (and I am only mentioning it because you brought it up) I do not see what bearing this has on anything - surely in times of conflict dialogue and debate should be welcomed between those with differing opinions - the way the world seems to be going debate and consensus are fast being replaced by the gun and alienation, the you are with us or against us type attitude. Experience has shown that most members of this list do not want inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects debated HERE, even if they are valid and useful subjects for dialogue and debate ELSEWHERE. You're right, people should discuss these things. But NOT in a forum where they generally agree to set such differences aside to discuss a subject of mutual interest. This would be such a forum. We have enough fun games with the inflammatory ON-topic subjects!! ERN
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On Fri, 21 May 2004, Henri Toivonen wrote: I wasn't allowed to, during my brief encouter with the Swedish military. I'd have to register my camera with the higher officers and have every picture approved for security reasons. Was it a while ago? Yes, it was in 1990. Fourteen years ago. The S3 regiment in Boden, not too far from where you live, right? Cuz things certainly has changed. I'm hosting a website for a friend of mine and his friends from the army, lumpenpics as they call it. It's like thousands of pics from their time in the military, shot with a dozen digicams. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ med dagens bild och allt!
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Anders Hultman wrote: On Fri, 21 May 2004, Henri Toivonen wrote: I wasn't allowed to, during my brief encouter with the Swedish military. I'd have to register my camera with the higher officers and have every picture approved for security reasons. Was it a while ago? Yes, it was in 1990. Fourteen years ago. The S3 regiment in Boden, not too far from where you live, right? anders Not that far from here, no. These pics are from Boden also, don't remember what regiment though. They drove around in those Haubits anyhow, and shot grenades. :-) /Henri
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aaggghh Antonio Aparicio wrote: Feroze, Why don't you take it up with the person who started the thread? As to the international nature of the list (and I am only mentioning it because you brought it up) I do not see what bearing this has on anything - surely in times of conflict dialogue and debate should be welcomed between those with differing opinions - the way the world seems to be going debate and consensus are fast being replaced by the gun and alienation, the you are with us or against us type attitude.
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aaagg Antonio Aparicio wrote: Shawn, I am willing to accept that I may be wrong, but I do not feel that is the case. The 2% figure you mention is for all computers sold in the world - Apple has a much higher market penetration in segments of the market. Virus writers target holes in OS's, the easier it is to do the more viruses. As to mission critical applications, have you not heard of the NASA Mars Exploration Rover Missions? This may come as a bit of a shot to you but a lot of the mission systems were run on, yes, you got it - Macs! Not to mention the worlds 3rd fastest supercomputer at Virginia tech. http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/virginiatech/ is G5 based - yes thats right, desktop computers rack mounted. Oh, and on the photo front why not check this out http://www.apple.com/pro/photo/kalalian/
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- Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Why can't they just... was Re: Anyone still using windows ME Well Bob, calling someone an idiot is pretty inflammatory in most peoples book, not to mention rude. Well, Antonio, Lets take this beyond rude. You are a fucking asshole. A bombastic piece of shit. And a narcisitic sociopath. You don't care about anyone other than yourself. You have no concern for anyones feelings other than your own. Consider yourself lucky that this is an email list, rather than a face to face discussion. I'd be putting the boots to your head about now. I don't suffer fools in silence, and you certainly are a fool. Regards William Robb
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I'm getting tired of this idiot. The man said, ...inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects... WHAT PART OF THE WORD INFLAMMATORY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? Regards, Bob... I'm getting tired as well. I have a new proposal. How about we each send him an individual reply... EACH and EVERY time he posts more garbage to the list? He has sent 10 messages in the last 24 hours to the list. We all send him 10 messages back...multiplied by the number of pdml'ers. If some of you would care to include viruses or MAC viruses or whatever, what can I say. :-) Regards, Bob S.
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You know what? I don't care. I killfiled him some time ago, when it became apparent that the signal-to-noise ratio of his contributions was as close to zero as makes no difference. Unfortunately I still get to see some of his self-indulgent posturing because some people can't resist the temptation, and fall for the bait. Please don't - paying attention to his little temper tantrums is just what he wants. Why let him set the rules by playing the game his way? Don't reply to his postings. Read them if you must, although I think it's a waste of time. But denying him the attention he craves will upset him more than any possible reaction. I don't think he's a fool anymore actually... I think he's writing us from a mental ward somewhere, and the newspaper he's editor of is actually a 4 page weekly filled with the rants of true raving maniacs. -Shawn -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Why can't they just... was Re: Anyone still using windows ME - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Why can't they just... was Re: Anyone still using windows ME Well Bob, calling someone an idiot is pretty inflammatory in most peoples book, not to mention rude. Well, Antonio, Lets take this beyond rude. You are a fucking asshole. A bombastic piece of shit. And a narcisitic sociopath. You don't care about anyone other than yourself. You have no concern for anyones feelings other than your own. Consider yourself lucky that this is an email list, rather than a face to face discussion. I'd be putting the boots to your head about now. I don't suffer fools in silence, and you certainly are a fool. Regards William Robb
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Thats a really mature position Bob. S. But given you have been one of the prime flame throwers in this thread I am not surprised. Antonio On 21 May 2004, at 20:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm getting tired of this idiot. The man said, ...inflammatory OFF-TOPIC subjects... WHAT PART OF THE WORD INFLAMMATORY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? Regards, Bob... I'm getting tired as well. I have a new proposal. How about we each send him an individual reply... EACH and EVERY time he posts more garbage to the list? He has sent 10 messages in the last 24 hours to the list. We all send him 10 messages back...multiplied by the number of pdml'ers. If some of you would care to include viruses or MAC viruses or whatever, what can I say. :-) Regards, Bob S.
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John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what? I don't care. I killfiled him some time ago, when it became apparent that the signal-to-noise ratio of his contributions was as close to zero as makes no difference. Yup. 100% lossless data compression. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Antonio, From past experience on this and many other lists it soon degenerates into a mud slingy match. This forum is for the discussion of photography which most of the time does not involve much conflicting opinion. It is impossible to have a quiet debate on any topic that involves conflict. My understanding of dialogue is two or more people having a discussion. What will happen on this list is not that, it will involve one person trying to enforce their opinion as being the only possible truth upon another. I subscribe to this list to discuss and learn about photography, not conflict involving situations around the world. Being muslim by religion the situation in Iraq is very close to my heart and would appreciate if this discussion was taken offlist. Thank You Feroze
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Here we go, more controversy I am afraid, this time from a trade group for executives of 150 of America's largest corporations: WASHINGTON (AP) -- Chief executives from some of the largest U.S. companies are criticizing the technology industry in a lobbying campaign, accusing them of selling software vulnerable to hackers and too difficult for consumers to use safely http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/05/19/computer.security.ap/ index.html Antonio On 20 May 2004, at 02:05, Anders Hultman wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But sometimes, yes, this list has a herd instinct. Any group does. ANY group. Well, I don't agree. I've seen herds form many a times on mailing lists, but I don't hink they are herds per se. I think everyone responds indivudually to a controversial post. I.e. no-one looks at each other to get cues on what to do or say. It may appear like a coordinated effort from the outside, but it's not. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ med dagens bild och allt!
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Who wants to write a virus for such a small population? Where's the glory? Regards, Bob... --- No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] And lack of viruses. On 20 May 2004, at 09:01, Nick Clark wrote: Because viruses don't need to be installed, they just use capabilities of already installed programs (OS, email client, etc). The same is true of Windows PCs, Macs, or whatever. The only real protection Macs have is the lack of numbers.
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agg Antonio Aparicio wrote: Here we go, more controversy I am afraid
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How many millions of users does a system need before it becomes a worthy population would you say? There are plenty of OSX users out there - more than enough to produce a few viruses if they wanted. All the evidence however seems to point to the fact that it ain't easy. In fact it is so hard there hasn't been one yet. I imagine one day there will be one, nothing is perfect. But compared to the swiss cheese that windows has become OSX is a veritable fort Knox. Moving away from the security side though there are lots of other aspects of the OS that I prefer from a digital photography perspective. The integration of iPhoto with all the other iApps and even Photoshop (which itself has been optimized for the new G5 processors) gives a really good user experience. And real multi-tasking is something the OS takes in in stride - something I was having real problems with on my windows box. And if you are a traveling photog. nothing beats the 12 PowerBook as a light weight and versatile traveling companion. Don't want to take a laptop with you? Just take along an iPod (which syncs with both Macs and PCs) and you have an ultra light weight mass photo storage system that lets you listen to music on the road too. Antonio On 20 May 2004, at 17:29, Bob Blakely wrote: Who wants to write a virus for such a small population? Where's the glory? Regards, Bob... --- No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] And lack of viruses. On 20 May 2004, at 09:01, Nick Clark wrote: Because viruses don't need to be installed, they just use capabilities of already installed programs (OS, email client, etc). The same is true of Windows PCs, Macs, or whatever. The only real protection Macs have is the lack of numbers.
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aagghh Antonio Aparicio wrote: a bunch of non-related photo stuff that has gone on wy to long
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Brian, The 3% you refer to is for all computers - POS, servers, cash machines, etc. etc. etc. I think you will find that in the domestic/home market it is more like 10-15%, and in certain creative sectors more like 70-80%. iPods made a nice profit for the company but so did desktops and portables. They break even on music sales. As far as I am aware (and I stand to be corrected if wrong) there are no viruses for Mac OSX. Vandals will spray anywhere. If you are saying virus writers are the same then they should have hit OSX by now - it has been out since 91. Nice sig. I am also the Editor of a magazine, that doesn't mean that I am inherently right about everything. Most of the PC press is notable anti-Apple - looks like you are just another one of many. I really don't understand your hostility - the products are really A+. With all due respect I have an opinion that I am voicing and prepared to defend just like anyone else. Obviously the thread will end when people stop posting to it - you included - like all threads on this list. Antonio On 20 May 2004, at 21:29, Brian Dipert wrote: Antonio, Apple's worldwide computer market share is less than 3% and has been on a steady slide for a number of years. Most of the growth in the computer market going forward will be in so-called 'Third World' countries where Apple's elevated pricing versus Linux- and Windows-powered alternatives (despite your protests to the contrary) will increasingly limit its success. Last quarter, the company sold more iPods than it sold computers, and generated all of its profit from the music side of the business. Yesterday, Apple announced that the iPod group was being split out into a distinct division of the company. Recent studies indicate that there are now more copies of Linux running on client (notice, I'm not including servers) computers than there are copies of the Mac O/S, and this disparity will only grow in the future. Do you see the writing on the wall? And before you go off on a tirade of a response: 1) look at my email sig. And think to yourself..hmmm, maybe this guy knows something about what he's saying. And 2) realize that I have 12 iBook and 15 PowerBook units sitting here that I'm reviewing, and that I've had numerous lengthy conversations with Apple over the past few months on these topics. Virus writers are no different than vandals with spray cans. They target where they can do the most visible damage, where they get maximum return on their investments. The Mac O/S is not inherently more secure than Windows. It's simply less commonly used. So it's generally (note, as has been pointed out to you in past days, there ARE viruses and worms that target it) ignored by the virus-creation community. With all due respect: you are biased. You are incompletely informed. And I think I speak for the majority of the Pentax Discuss community when I say that I'm tired of seeing your digest-filling posts on this topic. You've ridden this horse far far too long. It's time to get off the horse and give us all a rest. == Brian Dipert Technical Editor: Mass Storage, Memory, Multimedia, PC Core Logic and Peripherals, and Programmable Logic EDN Magazine: http://www.edn.com 5000 V Street Sacramento, CA 95817 (916) 454-5242 (voice), (617) 558-4470 (fax) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit me at http://www.bdipert.com
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Norm, just do what I did and filter out his messages. If we ignore the troll, he will go away... -Original Message- From: Norm Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME ggghh
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With all due respect: you are biased. You are incompletely informed. And I think I speak for the majority of the Pentax Discuss community when I say that I'm tired of seeing your digest-filling posts on this topic. You've ridden this horse far far too long. It's time to get off the horse and give us all a rest. I think I can safely predict that this will be treated as a personal attack, and engender yet another unwanted and self-indulgent posting. Not that those of us with working killfiles will see it, of course.
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Are there any mailing lists out there dedicated to dumping on Microsoft, praising the virtues of Linux, and generally being obnoxious in general? Perhaps these idiots could seek out that mailing list, go where people actually are interested in this shit, and let those of us who are interested in Pentax cameras and photography get on with our lives, withput having to download megabytes of peckerheaded blather. Heck, they could even send us a link to it, labeled OT, and those who are so inclined could get onto that list as well. It solves the problem of so much uninteresting and OT dreck being posted here, without invoking the dreaded censorship word. Just curious William Robb - Original Message - From: Norm Baugher Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME aaggh h
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Bill, Calm down man... IMO, these guys are just chattering... it should be taken off-list, I agree. It's tedious deleteing every Windows ME thread. Worse than Mafud? That's probably just because he'd always hand us a loaded gun with the trigger cocked and we'd pull it to watch what happened. :) So, can the list members please stop talking about Macs, OSX, and Windows and get back to Pentax, or just at least go to some other OT subject before we all die of boredom or frustration? Tom C. Even Mafud at his worst wasn't this insufferable William Robb
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Tom C wrote: or just at least go to some other OT subject before we all die of boredom or frustration? Sooo.. What do you guys think about the Iraq-war? How about Bush? /Henri PS. It's a joke, please do not talk about politics ;-)
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Someday your delusions will have to stand up to reality. The question is will you also face reality?? Macintosh hasn't had more than 3% of the market of personal computers in the last decade. And it often dips below 2%, and that's in recent years, a decade ago Macintosh was in truly dire straights indeed. So let me ask you again, do you really think that it's feasible for virus writers to attack less than 2% of the computing community??? Not to mention the fact that the VAST majority of Mac users are NOT running mission critical applications, like web servers. You can argue this all you want, but it wont EVER change the fact that you ARE FLAT OUT WRONG. WHEN WILL YOU UNDERSTAND?? -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME How many millions of users does a system need before it becomes a worthy population would you say? There are plenty of OSX users out there - more than enough to produce a few viruses if they wanted. All the evidence however seems to point to the fact that it ain't easy. In fact it is so hard there hasn't been one yet. I imagine one day there will be one, nothing is perfect. But compared to the swiss cheese that windows has become OSX is a veritable fort Knox. Moving away from the security side though there are lots of other aspects of the OS that I prefer from a digital photography perspective. The integration of iPhoto with all the other iApps and even Photoshop (which itself has been optimized for the new G5 processors) gives a really good user experience. And real multi-tasking is something the OS takes in in stride - something I was having real problems with on my windows box. And if you are a traveling photog. nothing beats the 12 PowerBook as a light weight and versatile traveling companion. Don't want to take a laptop with you? Just take along an iPod (which syncs with both Macs and PCs) and you have an ultra light weight mass photo storage system that lets you listen to music on the road too. Antonio On 20 May 2004, at 17:29, Bob Blakely wrote: Who wants to write a virus for such a small population? Where's the glory? Regards, Bob... --- No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] And lack of viruses. On 20 May 2004, at 09:01, Nick Clark wrote: Because viruses don't need to be installed, they just use capabilities of already installed programs (OS, email client, etc). The same is true of Windows PCs, Macs, or whatever. The only real protection Macs have is the lack of numbers.
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You can't reform a narcissist. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are there any mailing lists out there dedicated to dumping on Microsoft, praising the virtues of Linux, and generally being obnoxious in general? Perhaps these idiots could seek out that mailing list, go where people actually are interested in this shit, and let those of us who are interested in Pentax cameras and photography get on with our lives, withput having to download megabytes of peckerheaded blather. Heck, they could even send us a link to it, labeled OT, and those who are so inclined could get onto that list as well. It solves the problem of so much uninteresting and OT dreck being posted here, without invoking the dreaded censorship word.
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Hello, nice to meet you too. The link you posted is to a know issue with DLling dodgly .dmg files (like .Zip files). Basically if you set your browser to auto open them after DL there is a potential security risk as you could be unzipping a dodgy piece of software - of course for it to do any harm you would have to allow it to install first too. No really a big risk but something to be aware of. The lesson as always is watch what you DL. A. On 19 May 2004, at 05:21, KT Takeshita wrote: On 5/18/04 5:53 PM, Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, I didn't know that. Interesting. So how come Windows is still so vulnerable to virus attacks? Hi Antonio, Nice to meet you (on the list :-). This might help you understand what's going on in each OS? http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/05/18/safariadvisory/ index.php?redi rect=1084911514000 Cheers, Ken
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On May 19, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Winston wrote: Gosh, I would not pay the cost of G5 for the speed it offers. Neither would I... not in this country anyway. OTOH Virginia Tech got a pretty good bang for their bucks. But that's not exactly a Photoshop machine :) Cheers, - Dave (a G5 owner) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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Ouch! In my defense, I use my photoshop machine mostly for playing games though :( But hey, at least we have something in common - I use a G5 toofrom C*non :P -Original Message- From: David Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photoshop Machine (Was RE: Anyone still using windows ME) On May 19, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Winston wrote: Gosh, I would not pay the cost of G5 for the speed it offers. Neither would I... not in this country anyway. OTOH Virginia Tech got a pretty good bang for their bucks. But that's not exactly a Photoshop machine :) Cheers, - Dave (a G5 owner) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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Hi Antonio, I was expecting that you would read the following paragraph in that article in response to your query why Mac is usually spared for virus attack which is very rampant in Windows machine. Never mind on OS/X security hole etc. Typically, people write exploits and other forms of malicious code for the Windows operating system because so many people use that OS and because of the notoriety the person gets. For those same reasons, Macs are usually spared. It seems to be that people just don't write exploits for the Mac because they're not as popular and they [the exploit writers] don't get much bang for the buck, Cheers, Ken On 5/19/04 4:41 AM, Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, nice to meet you too. The link you posted is to a know issue with DLling dodgly .dmg files (like .Zip files). Basically if you set your browser to auto open them after DL there is a potential security risk as you could be unzipping a dodgy piece of software - of course for it to do any harm you would have to allow it to install first too. No really a big risk but something to be aware of. The lesson as always is watch what you DL. A. On 19 May 2004, at 05:21, KT Takeshita wrote: On 5/18/04 5:53 PM, Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, I didn't know that. Interesting. So how come Windows is still so vulnerable to virus attacks? Hi Antonio, Nice to meet you (on the list :-). This might help you understand what's going on in each OS? http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/05/18/safariadvisory/ index.php?redi rect=1084911514000 Cheers, Ken
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Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 12:41:47 AM, graywolf wrote: g Golly, that will virus wipe a bunch of hard drives, won't it? This email contains the HONOR SYSTEM virus. Send ten copies of this message to your friends and then reformat your hard drive. Regards, Bob... I wouldn't joke at that ;-) You never know who might be reading the PDML archive on the web, you might have NSA/FBI on your doorsteps tomorrow for creating the HONOR SYSTEM virus. Ok, I will be offlist for a few days as I reformat my drive and rein^C
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On May 19, 2004, at 9:49 PM, Winston wrote: In my defense, I use my photoshop machine mostly for playing games though :( That's OK; I may use my Photoshop machine for Photoshop, but I also use my scanning machine for games :) But hey, at least we have something in common - I use a G5 toofrom C*non :P I once asked a guy who works in a camera store about the new G5 (he's an Apple guy as well) and he thought I was talking about the camera... Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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BW I suspect that if you did a poll the overwhelming majority of BW those people would know perfectly well what the English plural of BW 'box' is, but continue to say 'boxen' for nerdy jargon reasons. I have a herd of boxen to care for from Ox, pl. Oxen Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek
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Yes. I am English and english is my first language. Born and bred in good old London, UK. As you can see in the dictionary the main meaning of sub-standard is below an established or required standard. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 15:45, Henri Toivonen wrote: Antonio Aparicio wrote: Hi Henri, not sure if english is your first language. Substandar basically means poor quality. I think the term you are confusing it with is non-standard, which of course is not the case as you have pointed out. Windows is indeed the current standard OS for computing in many areas. Antonio Hello Antonio, english is not my first language. But take a look at this, from my dictionary (Collins English Dictionary): Substandard - adj. - 1. Below an established or required standard, 2. another word for nonstandard. Is english your first language then? /Henri
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I beg your pardon. There was no need for that. I was merely pointing out to Henri that the main meaning of sub-standard was not as he had understood. As to this being a friendly group I would beg to differ with that assertion. There appear to be some very unfriendly people here from what I have seen. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 15:46, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: There is nothing wrong with Henri's command of the English language. We all understand him. This is a friendly and tolerant group. Try to fit in. Antonio Aparicio wrote: Hi Henri, not sure if english is your first language. Substandar basically means poor quality. I think the term you are confusing it with is non-standard, which of course is not the case as you have pointed out. Windows is indeed the current standard OS for computing in many areas.
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Antonio Aparicio wrote: I beg your pardon. There was no need for that. I was merely pointing out to Henri that the main meaning of sub-standard was not as he had understood. As to this being a friendly group I would beg to differ with that assertion. There appear to be some very unfriendly people here from what I have seen. smile Oh, the folks here really _are_ quite friendly and tolerant, so long as you don't push any of their panic buttons. Of course, no-one knows what those buttons are, until you inadvertantly push one, so there you are. You can only learn about these sensitivity buttons through experience. Welcome to the Stepford camera list... keith whaley Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 15:46, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: There is nothing wrong with Henri's command of the English language. We all understand him. This is a friendly and tolerant group. Try to fit in. Antonio Aparicio wrote: Hi Henri, not sure if english is your first language. Substandar basically means poor quality. I think the term you are confusing it with is non-standard, which of course is not the case as you have pointed out. Windows is indeed the current standard OS for computing in many areas.
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I wish that there was no need for that, but apparently there is. Most of the unfriendly comments have come from you, and many of the others are in response to you. Antonio Aparicio wrote: I beg your pardon. There was no need for that. I was merely pointing out to Henri that the main meaning of sub-standard was not as he had understood. As to this being a friendly group I would beg to differ with that assertion. There appear to be some very unfriendly people here from what I have seen.
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Antonio Aparicio wrote: Yes. I am English and english is my first language. Born and bred in good old London, UK. As you can see in the dictionary the main meaning of sub-standard is below an established or required standard. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 15:45, Henri Toivonen wrote: Antonio Aparicio wrote: Hi Henri, not sure if english is your first language. Substandar basically means poor quality. I think the term you are confusing it with is non-standard, which of course is not the case as you have pointed out. Windows is indeed the current standard OS for computing in many areas. Antonio Hello Antonio, english is not my first language. But take a look at this, from my dictionary (Collins English Dictionary): Substandard - adj. - 1. Below an established or required standard, 2. another word for nonstandard. Is english your first language then? /Henri Umm, now I don't get it. First you say that substandard doesn't mean below a standard, but infact it means just poor quality. And should not be confused with non-standard. And this time, you say that it was what you were saying all along. Is it just me or did you just change opinion? Lets recap: Antonio Aparicio wrote: Its amazing that a company with so so so much money at its disposal continues to put out such shoddy substandard products. Henri Toivonen wrote: Substandard? Maybe that's the wrong word for it. Windows IS the standard for operating systems. Antonio Aparicio wrote: Substandar basically means poor quality. I think the term you are confusing it with is non-standard, which of course is not the case as you have pointed out. Henri Toivonen wrote: Substandard - adj. - 1. Below an established or required standard, 2. another word for nonstandard. Antonio Aparicio wrote: As you can see in the dictionary the main meaning of sub-standard is below an established or required standard. To me, this looks like you're trying to save face just because you were wrong and got beat in english by a foreigner that doesn't have english as his first language. /Henri
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Henri, I have said all along that Windows is a sub-standard OS. i.e. a poor quality one. I have not changed my mind on this matter, nor have I said otherwise. Below an established or required standard IS poor quality in English. It was you who attempted to shift the meaning to non-standard, as your quotes clearly show, and which I have now corrected you on. All the best, Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 18:19, Henri Toivonen wrote: Antonio Aparicio wrote: Yes. I am English and english is my first language. Born and bred in good old London, UK. As you can see in the dictionary the main meaning of sub-standard is below an established or required standard. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 15:45, Henri Toivonen wrote: Antonio Aparicio wrote: Hi Henri, not sure if english is your first language. Substandar basically means poor quality. I think the term you are confusing it with is non-standard, which of course is not the case as you have pointed out. Windows is indeed the current standard OS for computing in many areas. Antonio Hello Antonio, english is not my first language. But take a look at this, from my dictionary (Collins English Dictionary): Substandard - adj. - 1. Below an established or required standard, 2. another word for nonstandard. Is english your first language then? /Henri Umm, now I don't get it. First you say that substandard doesn't mean below a standard, but infact it means just poor quality. And should not be confused with non-standard. And this time, you say that it was what you were saying all along. Is it just me or did you just change opinion? Lets recap: Antonio Aparicio wrote: Its amazing that a company with so so so much money at its disposal continues to put out such shoddy substandard products. Henri Toivonen wrote: Substandard? Maybe that's the wrong word for it. Windows IS the standard for operating systems. Antonio Aparicio wrote: Substandar basically means poor quality. I think the term you are confusing it with is non-standard, which of course is not the case as you have pointed out. Henri Toivonen wrote: Substandard - adj. - 1. Below an established or required standard, 2. another word for nonstandard. Antonio Aparicio wrote: As you can see in the dictionary the main meaning of sub-standard is below an established or required standard. To me, this looks like you're trying to save face just because you were wrong and got beat in english by a foreigner that doesn't have english as his first language. /Henri
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I may have argued an opinion that has not found widespread approval here on this list but I believe I have no been unfriendly. You however seem to have made quite a few unfriendly remarks. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 18:09, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I wish that there was no need for that, but apparently there is. Most of the unfriendly comments have come from you, and many of the others are in response to you. Antonio Aparicio wrote: I beg your pardon. There was no need for that. I was merely pointing out to Henri that the main meaning of sub-standard was not as he had understood. As to this being a friendly group I would beg to differ with that assertion. There appear to be some very unfriendly people here from what I have seen.
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w.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [66.95.133.170] X-Declude-Spoolname: Db15e0e8.SMD I have no problem with your opinions. Some of your comments to others have been a bit unfriendly. I have said nothing unfriendly to you, but have merely requested that you be a little less strident in your posts to this list. Thank you for your cooperation. Antonio Aparicio wrote: I may have argued an opinion that has not found widespread approval here on this list but I believe I have no been unfriendly. You however seem to have made quite a few unfriendly remarks. Antonio
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Yeah right. You think you have not said anything unfriendly, what about when you said: Would everyone please just ignore him until he calms down or goes away or perhaps This is a friendly and tolerant group. Try to fit in. You seem to enjoy throwing stones from he sidelines. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 21:15, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: w.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [66.95.133.170] X-Declude-Spoolname: Db15e0e8.SMD I have no problem with your opinions. Some of your comments to others have been a bit unfriendly. I have said nothing unfriendly to you, but have merely requested that you be a little less strident in your posts to this list. Thank you for your cooperation. Antonio Aparicio wrote: I may have argued an opinion that has not found widespread approval here on this list but I believe I have no been unfriendly. You however seem to have made quite a few unfriendly remarks. Antonio
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p.s. Hows about instead of asking me to fit in whatever that is, that you accept and respect other peoples opinions. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 21:27, Antonio Aparicio wrote: Yeah right. You think you have not said anything unfriendly, what about when you said: Would everyone please just ignore him until he calms down or goes away or perhaps This is a friendly and tolerant group. Try to fit in. You seem to enjoy throwing stones from he sidelines. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 21:15, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: w.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [66.95.133.170] X-Declude-Spoolname: Db15e0e8.SMD I have no problem with your opinions. Some of your comments to others have been a bit unfriendly. I have said nothing unfriendly to you, but have merely requested that you be a little less strident in your posts to this list. Thank you for your cooperation. Antonio Aparicio wrote: I may have argued an opinion that has not found widespread approval here on this list but I believe I have no been unfriendly. You however seem to have made quite a few unfriendly remarks. Antonio
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Oh and here comes another one to join the bandwagon! As far as I am aware subscribers to this group can post as many messages to whatever thread I please. Had it not occurred to you that the reason I have made so many posts is because I have been constantly bombarded by messages that I did not feel should be left without reply. According to you theory would that make say Coty for example and extremely unfriendly person - he seems to have posted more messages than probably anyone. As to the relevance of OS choices to the Pentax list, clearly it is relevant to discuss these matters in the digital age. Certainly more relevant than the contents of someone's fridge. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 21:26, alex wetmore wrote: You have posted 10s or hundreds of messages on a subject which has nothing to do with what the list exists to discuss. In my mind that makes your messages unfriendly. alex On Wed, 19 May 2004, Antonio Aparicio wrote: I may have argued an opinion that has not found widespread approval here on this list but I believe I have no been unfriendly. You however seem to have made quite a few unfriendly remarks. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 18:09, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I wish that there was no need for that, but apparently there is. Most of the unfriendly comments have come from you, and many of the others are in response to you. Antonio Aparicio wrote: I beg your pardon. There was no need for that. I was merely pointing out to Henri that the main meaning of sub-standard was not as he had understood. As to this being a friendly group I would beg to differ with that assertion. There appear to be some very unfriendly people here from what I have seen.
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Thanks for your message Lasse. I was not aware that the subject had been banned. Perhaps someone could publish a list of the banned subjects so I and other newcomers could steer clear of them? As to the oldies, I think they should know better. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 22:25, Lasse Karlsson wrote: From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME? I may have argued an opinion that has not found widespread approval here on this list but I believe I have no been unfriendly. No, you have not been unfriendly at all, Antonio. On the contrary, my impression is that you are a friendly person. As a newcomer you happened to get heavily engaged in a type of thread that usually turns the way that this one also has, on a subject that have been banned on this list, although people keep bringing it up. You could have been adviced about this in a much more friendly way than has been the case. However, when some old list member expresses dissatisfaction about someone elses postings, and not necessarily being fair in doing so, it evokes a type of herd instinct also on this list. That's when you'd realise that you can't expect to be treated fairly, and will have to consider what strategies will be the best or most useful for you personally. I'm looking forward to see which of possible choices you'll opt for. Welcome to the list, Antonio. Lasse You however seem to have made quite a few unfriendly remarks. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 18:09, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I wish that there was no need for that, but apparently there is. Most of the unfriendly comments have come from you, and many of the others are in response to you. Antonio Aparicio wrote: I beg your pardon. There was no need for that. I was merely pointing out to Henri that the main meaning of sub-standard was not as he had understood. As to this being a friendly group I would beg to differ with that assertion. There appear to be some very unfriendly people here from what I have seen.
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Hi ERN, I don't think we have spoken before. Welcome to the discussion.I did not use the term sub-standard loosely, but rather specifically in relation to the quality of the windows OS, using additional terms such as shoddy, poor quality etc. etc. to further illustrate my opinion. It was someone else (Bob S?) who introduced the industry standard angle as I have reminded Henri. I am always willing to concede a point if I beleive I have made a mistake or I am wrong, but on this question there is no doubt in my mind. Just check the context of what I was talking about and you will see for yourself. I am also quite content to move on from this particular discussion, and would happily not contribute to it further. All the best, Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 23:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Antonio said: p.s. I think what happened is that someone introduced the industry standard line to the debate in an attempt to move the argument onto different ground from that which I was arguing at the time - I can see how this could confuse a non-english speaker as the two terms are so similar. But the irony is, the non-English speaker (that is, Henri whose first language isn't English) isn't the person who is confused here, and you (the native English speaker) are. You used the term substandard loosely, and he corrected you by referring to its literal definition. Would it really kill you to concede the point and Move On? ERN
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Please make this thread go away, please make this thread go away, please make this thread go awayclicking heels together Find a happly, find a happy place, find a happy place thumb in mouth
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Antonio Aparicio wrote: I have said all along that Windows is a sub-standard OS. Below an established or required standard IS poor quality in English. Okey, Fact #1: Windows is the standard of todays workstation operating systems. You say: Windows is sub-standard, ie. below an established standard. I give up, back to the ignore-list you go. You should give up too and just face the fact that you won't get along with the people on this list. /Henri
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From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME? I may have argued an opinion that has not found widespread approval here on this list but I believe I have no been unfriendly. No, you have not been unfriendly at all, Antonio. On the contrary, my impression is that you are a friendly person. As a newcomer you happened to get heavily engaged in a type of thread that usually turns the way that this one also has, on a subject that have been banned on this list, although people keep bringing it up. You could have been adviced about this in a much more friendly way than has been the case. However, when some old list member expresses dissatisfaction about someone elses postings, and not necessarily being fair in doing so, it evokes a type of herd instinct also on this list. That's when you'd realise that you can't expect to be treated fairly, and will have to consider what strategies will be the best or most useful for you personally. I'm looking forward to see which of possible choices you'll opt for. Welcome to the list, Antonio. Lasse You however seem to have made quite a few unfriendly remarks. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 18:09, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I wish that there was no need for that, but apparently there is. Most of the unfriendly comments have come from you, and many of the others are in response to you. Antonio Aparicio wrote: I beg your pardon. There was no need for that. I was merely pointing out to Henri that the main meaning of sub-standard was not as he had understood. As to this being a friendly group I would beg to differ with that assertion. There appear to be some very unfriendly people here from what I have seen.
Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME?
Shawn, I don't think I ever asked for anyone to bend over backwards, nor do I recognise any relentless windows bashing - I was just voicing an opinion (admittedly strongly held), joining the debate and defending myself from attacks from people like you. If you wanted the matter dropped you should have thought about the consequences of your actions before you started fanning the flames. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 21:05, Shawn K. wrote: Antonio, its alright to have personality, but one thing you have to realize is that when you are just one person among many, you can't realistically expect many people to bend over backwards for the sake of one. Alot of us have heard the age old Mac vs. windows debates about a million times over, and no matter how many times a Mac user tells me that their system is better I continue to use my Windows system, and it continues to work well. So basically, you are wasting your breath. And nitpicking the rest of the list for getting upset with you over the relentless nature of your anti-windows bashing isn't helping anything. I say just drop the subject altogether. If you want to bash windows go to www.geek.com, there are plenty of 15 year olds there who are ready and waiting to engage you in a My OS is better than yours flame war. Although, they will probably chew you up and spit you out since they're generally technically knowledgeable over there. There, I'm done beating this dead horse. -Shawn
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I'm done beating this dead horse. A phrase in America that means the conversation is over. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME? Shawn, I don't think I ever asked for anyone to bend over backwards, nor do I recognise any relentless windows bashing - I was just voicing an opinion (admittedly strongly held), joining the debate and defending myself from attacks from people like you. If you wanted the matter dropped you should have thought about the consequences of your actions before you started fanning the flames. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 21:05, Shawn K. wrote: Antonio, its alright to have personality, but one thing you have to realize is that when you are just one person among many, you can't realistically expect many people to bend over backwards for the sake of one. Alot of us have heard the age old Mac vs. windows debates about a million times over, and no matter how many times a Mac user tells me that their system is better I continue to use my Windows system, and it continues to work well. So basically, you are wasting your breath. And nitpicking the rest of the list for getting upset with you over the relentless nature of your anti-windows bashing isn't helping anything. I say just drop the subject altogether. If you want to bash windows go to www.geek.com, there are plenty of 15 year olds there who are ready and waiting to engage you in a My OS is better than yours flame war. Although, they will probably chew you up and spit you out since they're generally technically knowledgeable over there. There, I'm done beating this dead horse. -Shawn
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Lasse Karlsson wrote: From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME? I may have argued an opinion that has not found widespread approval here on this list but I believe I have no been unfriendly. No, you have not been unfriendly at all, Antonio. On the contrary, my impression is that you are a friendly person. As a newcomer you happened to get heavily engaged in a type of thread that usually turns the way that this one also has, on a subject that have been banned on this list, although people keep bringing it up. You could have been adviced about this in a much more friendly way than has been the case. However, when some old list member expresses dissatisfaction about someone elses postings, and not necessarily being fair in doing so, it evokes a type of herd instinct also on this list. That's when you'd realise that you can't expect to be treated fairly, and will have to consider what strategies will be the best or most useful for you personally. I'm looking forward to see which of possible choices you'll opt for. Welcome to the list, Antonio. Lasse I disagree totally with you, Lasse. I'm not an oldtimer here, I joined last week. Still I don't think he's been treated unfairly at all. (Sitä saa mitä tilaa/som man bäddar får man ligga) Friendly person? Either you have a huge patience or you haven't been following the thread. ;-) /Henri
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In a message dated 5/19/2004 1:53:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Friendly person? Either you have a huge patience or you haven't been following the thread. ;-) /Henri --- I am not aware that Antonio has called anyone names. As he has been called. In fact, he has kept his temper admirably. Sure, he has continued to disagree, but that is different. However, I wish everyone, including Antonio, would let it stop now. And I won't post any more to this thread or the trolls thread, myself. But sometimes, yes, this list has a herd instinct. Any group does. ANY group. Marnie aka Doe
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What is a herd instinct? Where do you draw the line at being a herd instinct and not being a herd instinct?? For instance, what would you call lots of people liking orange juice?? Or, lots of people watching a funny TV show?? Are these people part of herd just because they choose to think alike and enjoy the same things?? I don't think so. I would not use the word herd but the word social and take away the negative connotations you are trying to foist on everyone who ever did something someone else did. -Shawn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME? In a message dated 5/19/2004 1:53:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Friendly person? Either you have a huge patience or you haven't been following the thread. ;-) /Henri --- I am not aware that Antonio has called anyone names. As he has been called. In fact, he has kept his temper admirably. Sure, he has continued to disagree, but that is different. However, I wish everyone, including Antonio, would let it stop now. And I won't post any more to this thread or the trolls thread, myself. But sometimes, yes, this list has a herd instinct. Any group does. ANY group. Marnie aka Doe
Re: Why 35mm? (was RE: Anyone still using Windows ME?)
Image quality will suffer greatly as the digital projectors have nowhere near the resolution of even the lowest digital camera. 1.3 Mpixels at the top end. Nick -Original Message- From: Dr. Shaun Canning[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19/05/04 02:21:53 If I was you Joe, I'd start scanning those slides, learn/polish up on powerpoint et al, and buy yourself a 128 mb USB pen drive or similar. Most convention facilities will use laptops and data projectors exclusively within a couple of years. The poor old slide show will be a thing of the past. The only real downside is the cost of scanning the slides in the first place.
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Trolling again, Shawn? Shawn K. wrote: What is a herd instinct? Where do you draw the line at being a herd instinct and not being a herd instinct?? For instance, what would you call lots of people liking orange juice?? Or, lots of people watching a funny TV show?? Are these people part of herd just because they choose to think alike and enjoy the same things?? I don't think so. I would not use the word herd but the word social and take away the negative connotations you are trying to foist on everyone who ever did something someone else did. -Shawn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME? In a message dated 5/19/2004 1:53:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Friendly person? Either you have a huge patience or you haven't been following the thread. ;-) /Henri --- I am not aware that Antonio has called anyone names. As he has been called. In fact, he has kept his temper admirably. Sure, he has continued to disagree, but that is different. However, I wish everyone, including Antonio, would let it stop now. And I won't post any more to this thread or the trolls thread, myself. But sometimes, yes, this list has a herd instinct. Any group does. ANY group. Marnie aka Doe -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
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Bob, it's a joke. Lighten up. Bill - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME? Gee... I'm sorry to be living, Peter... Have a great day. Regards, Bob... From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh jeze, somebody woke up Bob... Bob Blakely wrote:
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Please Lord, let this thread die! Bill - Original Message - From: Anders Hultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME? On Wed, 19 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But sometimes, yes, this list has a herd instinct. Any group does. ANY group. Well, I don't agree. I've seen herds form many a times on mailing lists, but I don't hink they are herds per se. I think everyone responds indivudually to a controversial post. I.e. no-one looks at each other to get cues on what to do or say. It may appear like a coordinated effort from the outside, but it's not. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ med dagens bild och allt!
RE: Anyone still using WIndows ME? (for graywolf)
Well, Graywolf, I'm simply taking advantage of the common herd mentality to point fingers and claim everyone else is part of a herd. And you having and recognized what I was doing, and being that you are indeed one of these finger pointers you have thus felt the need to respond. Which in your mind means I am trolling, as in, baiting you to make a lengthy long winded response. However graywolf, what you do not realize is that my control over your mind goes much much deeper than mere trolling!! muHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH... ;) -Shawn -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME? Trolling again, Shawn? Shawn K. wrote: What is a herd instinct? Where do you draw the line at being a herd instinct and not being a herd instinct?? For instance, what would you call lots of people liking orange juice?? Or, lots of people watching a funny TV show?? Are these people part of herd just because they choose to think alike and enjoy the same things?? I don't think so. I would not use the word herd but the word social and take away the negative connotations you are trying to foist on everyone who ever did something someone else did. -Shawn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME? In a message dated 5/19/2004 1:53:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Friendly person? Either you have a huge patience or you haven't been following the thread. ;-) /Henri --- I am not aware that Antonio has called anyone names. As he has been called. In fact, he has kept his temper admirably. Sure, he has continued to disagree, but that is different. However, I wish everyone, including Antonio, would let it stop now. And I won't post any more to this thread or the trolls thread, myself. But sometimes, yes, this list has a herd instinct. Any group does. ANY group. Marnie aka Doe -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Anyone still using windows ME
What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 09:26, John Francis wrote: - Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Bickering (was Re: Antonio please stop it now!) I would take it as a personal favor if anyone who reads this particular post would refrain from making further comments to this thread. Talk about anything you like, but let's refrain from picking on each other. Smacks of censorship. William Robb Yep. Self censorship. Finest kind.
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- Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace it. Bill
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Well why did you contribute to it then? I ignore threads I am not interested in - it is quite easy. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:02, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. Maybe it's because those of us who have been on this list for several years are tired of this particular discussion coming up a couple of times a year. William Robb
Re: Anyone still using windows ME
I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works like a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a small bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market leading de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing betterl, a lot better. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace it. Bill
RE: Anyone still using windows ME
OSX flaws... For one thing OSX is hugely processor hungry. For another, I'm sorry to say, but it isn't 64 bit either, thats just some BS the Macintosh marketing department fed you. So before you go ranting on Microsoft, I think you should pause and think about how Mac's are largely way more expensive than an equivalent windows machine, and Macintosh is just as likely to lie to you as any other big company. Also, regarding the spyware, that has nothing to do with windows, spyware is a legitimate software in the eyes of the OS, it's just legitimate software that spys on you... Spyware does not exploit a flaw in a the system... It can just as easily show up in a friggin Unix supercomputer should someone feel the need to write such a program. What would be the use of writing a Mac virus?? Yeah imagine the chaos when artists around the world can't doctor up their image files... It's not quite the same as costing corporations billions now is it?? Or using a virus to DOS a large website like SCO and Microsoft??? You couldn't do that writing virii for a Mac, and thats why you don't see them for the Mac. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works like a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a small bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market leading de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing betterl, a lot better. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace it. Bill
Re: Anyone still using windows ME
Well OSX runs just fine on my G4 1 gig. Do you own a Mac? Nobody said OSX was 64 bit either. As far as I am aware the new G5 chips are 64 bit but OSX isn't yet. As to price I think you are wrong, a similarly specced Wintel machine will cost the same or more than a Mac. Did you not hear about the Virginia Tech big mac - the worlds 3rd fastest super computer, at the fraction of the cost of competing systems, including AMD and Intel. As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 16:52, Shawn K. wrote: OSX flaws... For one thing OSX is hugely processor hungry. For another, I'm sorry to say, but it isn't 64 bit either, thats just some BS the Macintosh marketing department fed you. So before you go ranting on Microsoft, I think you should pause and think about how Mac's are largely way more expensive than an equivalent windows machine, and Macintosh is just as likely to lie to you as any other big company. Also, regarding the spyware, that has nothing to do with windows, spyware is a legitimate software in the eyes of the OS, it's just legitimate software that spys on you... Spyware does not exploit a flaw in a the system... It can just as easily show up in a friggin Unix supercomputer should someone feel the need to write such a program. What would be the use of writing a Mac virus?? Yeah imagine the chaos when artists around the world can't doctor up their image files... It's not quite the same as costing corporations billions now is it?? Or using a virus to DOS a large website like SCO and Microsoft??? You couldn't do that writing virii for a Mac, and thats why you don't see them for the Mac. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works like a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a small bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market leading de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing betterl, a lot better. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace it. Bill
RE: Anyone still using windows ME
As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. GAHHH Sorry, Antonio, but you are completely and utterly wrong on this account. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Well OSX runs just fine on my G4 1 gig. Do you own a Mac? Nobody said OSX was 64 bit either. As far as I am aware the new G5 chips are 64 bit but OSX isn't yet. As to price I think you are wrong, a similarly specced Wintel machine will cost the same or more than a Mac. Did you not hear about the Virginia Tech big mac - the worlds 3rd fastest super computer, at the fraction of the cost of competing systems, including AMD and Intel. As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 16:52, Shawn K. wrote: OSX flaws... For one thing OSX is hugely processor hungry. For another, I'm sorry to say, but it isn't 64 bit either, thats just some BS the Macintosh marketing department fed you. So before you go ranting on Microsoft, I think you should pause and think about how Mac's are largely way more expensive than an equivalent windows machine, and Macintosh is just as likely to lie to you as any other big company. Also, regarding the spyware, that has nothing to do with windows, spyware is a legitimate software in the eyes of the OS, it's just legitimate software that spys on you... Spyware does not exploit a flaw in a the system... It can just as easily show up in a friggin Unix supercomputer should someone feel the need to write such a program. What would be the use of writing a Mac virus?? Yeah imagine the chaos when artists around the world can't doctor up their image files... It's not quite the same as costing corporations billions now is it?? Or using a virus to DOS a large website like SCO and Microsoft??? You couldn't do that writing virii for a Mac, and thats why you don't see them for the Mac. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works like a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a small bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market leading de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing betterl, a lot better. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace it. Bill
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As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. GAHHH Sorry, Antonio, but you are completely and utterly wrong on this account. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Well OSX runs just fine on my G4 1 gig. Do you own a Mac? Nobody said OSX was 64 bit either. As far as I am aware the new G5 chips are 64 bit but OSX isn't yet. As to price I think you are wrong, a similarly specced Wintel machine will cost the same or more than a Mac. Did you not hear about the Virginia Tech big mac - the worlds 3rd fastest super computer, at the fraction of the cost of competing systems, including AMD and Intel. As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 16:52, Shawn K. wrote: OSX flaws... For one thing OSX is hugely processor hungry. For another, I'm sorry to say, but it isn't 64 bit either, thats just some BS the Macintosh marketing department fed you. So before you go ranting on Microsoft, I think you should pause and think about how Mac's are largely way more expensive than an equivalent windows machine, and Macintosh is just as likely to lie to you as any other big company. Also, regarding the spyware, that has nothing to do with windows, spyware is a legitimate software in the eyes of the OS, it's just legitimate software that spys on you... Spyware does not exploit a flaw in a the system... It can just as easily show up in a friggin Unix supercomputer should someone feel the need to write such a program. What would be the use of writing a Mac virus?? Yeah imagine the chaos when artists around the world can't doctor up their image files... It's not quite the same as costing corporations billions now is it?? Or using a virus to DOS a large website like SCO and Microsoft??? You couldn't do that writing virii for a Mac, and thats why you don't see them for the Mac. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works like a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a small bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market leading de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing betterl, a lot better. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace it. Bill
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William Robb writes: Maybe it's because those of us who have been on this list for several years are tired of this particular discussion coming up a couple of times a year. Yup! And God help us if the other Bob wakes up! He doesn't tolerate fools meekly. I hope his son is doing well. Regards, Bob S.
Re: Anyone still using windows ME
- Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. Maybe it's because those of us who have been on this list for several years are tired of this particular discussion coming up a couple of times a year. BINGO!
RE: Anyone still using windows ME
Its not a matter of examples antonio, its a matter of computers having certain essential qualities. You cannot by design eliminate even virii!! If a person opens a piece of software, sent to them by whatever means, and they run it on their computer, you can't design that out!! 99.99% of todays spyware is installed BY THE USER!! You cannot eliminate that by design or you would be eliminating the functionality of the OS. Not to mention that many cookies track users... There is simply no way to COMPLETELY secure a computer without making functionality sacrifices. I guarantee you that OSX has flaws in it, and if enough people cared to exploit those flaws, they would be found and eploited. Its the nature of software to have flaws. Even UNIX has flaws, and OSX is based on UNIX so no doubt OSX has flaws as well. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Ok, I am open to being wrong. Could yo point me to some examples? Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 18:58, John Francis wrote: As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. GAHHH Sorry, Antonio, but you are completely and utterly wrong on this account. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Well OSX runs just fine on my G4 1 gig. Do you own a Mac? Nobody said OSX was 64 bit either. As far as I am aware the new G5 chips are 64 bit but OSX isn't yet. As to price I think you are wrong, a similarly specced Wintel machine will cost the same or more than a Mac. Did you not hear about the Virginia Tech big mac - the worlds 3rd fastest super computer, at the fraction of the cost of competing systems, including AMD and Intel. As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 16:52, Shawn K. wrote: OSX flaws... For one thing OSX is hugely processor hungry. For another, I'm sorry to say, but it isn't 64 bit either, thats just some BS the Macintosh marketing department fed you. So before you go ranting on Microsoft, I think you should pause and think about how Mac's are largely way more expensive than an equivalent windows machine, and Macintosh is just as likely to lie to you as any other big company. Also, regarding the spyware, that has nothing to do with windows, spyware is a legitimate software in the eyes of the OS, it's just legitimate software that spys on you... Spyware does not exploit a flaw in a the system... It can just as easily show up in a friggin Unix supercomputer should someone feel the need to write such a program. What would be the use of writing a Mac virus?? Yeah imagine the chaos when artists around the world can't doctor up their image files... It's not quite the same as costing corporations billions now is it?? Or using a virus to DOS a large website like SCO and Microsoft??? You couldn't do that writing virii for a Mac, and thats why you don't see them for the Mac. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works like a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a small bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market leading de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing betterl, a lot better. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace it. Bill
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You know, this discussion comes up EVERYWHERE, although typically when I see it, it's Linux vs. windows, and the argument is punctuated by such memorable quotations as: LINUX PWNZ JOO WINDOZ PHOOLS!!!. But, what they fail to realize is that Linux is just as insecure as windows, and some releases are even more insecure. And that my friends is pretty bad. I prefer windows, it works, and it works everytime. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. Maybe it's because those of us who have been on this list for several years are tired of this particular discussion coming up a couple of times a year. BINGO!
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Shawn, you cannot install any software on OSX unless you enter the Admin password - therefore by design a virus cannot install and run itself which is the big problem with Windows. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 19:33, Shawn K. wrote: Its not a matter of examples antonio, its a matter of computers having certain essential qualities. You cannot by design eliminate even virii!! If a person opens a piece of software, sent to them by whatever means, and they run it on their computer, you can't design that out!! 99.99% of todays spyware is installed BY THE USER!! You cannot eliminate that by design or you would be eliminating the functionality of the OS. Not to mention that many cookies track users... There is simply no way to COMPLETELY secure a computer without making functionality sacrifices. I guarantee you that OSX has flaws in it, and if enough people cared to exploit those flaws, they would be found and eploited. Its the nature of software to have flaws. Even UNIX has flaws, and OSX is based on UNIX so no doubt OSX has flaws as well. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Ok, I am open to being wrong. Could yo point me to some examples? Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 18:58, John Francis wrote: As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. GAHHH Sorry, Antonio, but you are completely and utterly wrong on this account. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Well OSX runs just fine on my G4 1 gig. Do you own a Mac? Nobody said OSX was 64 bit either. As far as I am aware the new G5 chips are 64 bit but OSX isn't yet. As to price I think you are wrong, a similarly specced Wintel machine will cost the same or more than a Mac. Did you not hear about the Virginia Tech big mac - the worlds 3rd fastest super computer, at the fraction of the cost of competing systems, including AMD and Intel. As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 16:52, Shawn K. wrote: OSX flaws... For one thing OSX is hugely processor hungry. For another, I'm sorry to say, but it isn't 64 bit either, thats just some BS the Macintosh marketing department fed you. So before you go ranting on Microsoft, I think you should pause and think about how Mac's are largely way more expensive than an equivalent windows machine, and Macintosh is just as likely to lie to you as any other big company. Also, regarding the spyware, that has nothing to do with windows, spyware is a legitimate software in the eyes of the OS, it's just legitimate software that spys on you... Spyware does not exploit a flaw in a the system... It can just as easily show up in a friggin Unix supercomputer should someone feel the need to write such a program. What would be the use of writing a Mac virus?? Yeah imagine the chaos when artists around the world can't doctor up their image files... It's not quite the same as costing corporations billions now is it?? Or using a virus to DOS a large website like SCO and Microsoft??? You couldn't do that writing virii for a Mac, and thats why you don't see them for the Mac. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works like a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a small bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market leading de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing betterl, a lot better. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace it. Bill
Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME?
In a message dated 5/17/2004 12:32:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Check out AVG. http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marnie aka Doe :-) I used McAffe at first when it was new on this machine (under ME), then it expired. So I removed it. I don't like having software on my machine that insists I BUY an upgrade. -- graywolf --- Thanks! Marnie aka Doe P.S. Okay, I'll refrain from bashing M$. However, John, my bashing is NOT mindless. It is based on years of experience using Windows, and having been a programmer and a computer consultant. Sure, it works okay (now -- XP), but overall M$ products tend to be overly complicated for the end user. That does not, and never has, impressed me.
Re: OT: Eliminating 'virii' ( was Re: Anyone still using windows ME
Hi, This has actually nothing to do with regular languages. It's just computer lingo. The jargon of nerds, if you will. I doubt that. As another example, one unix, several unices. And several boxes running a unix version is often referred to as boxen. It's nerd jargon if they know the standard plural and continue to use the non-standard term. I suspect that if you did a poll the overwhelming majority of those people would know perfectly well what the English plural of 'box' is, but continue to say 'boxen' for nerdy jargon reasons. Conversely I would guess that 0.1% at most know the Latin plurals and the English plural and continue to say 'virii' for nerdy jargon reasons. It's not just computer nerds. I can't count the number of non-nerdy people who think the plural of 'status' is either 'stati' or 'statii'. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: Anyone still using windows ME
You can set up windows to do the same thing Antonio. -Shawn Give it up, Shawn. You can't convince him with facts that don't match his pre-determined prejudices.
Why 35mm? (was RE: Anyone still using Windows ME?)
You still need film transparencies to project a decent image to 6' size for photographic presentations and talks. Digital projectors don't have the resolution for photographs. Nick. -Original Message- From: Shawn K.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17/05/04 22:52:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone still using Windows ME? KEEP DREAMING!!! The whole point of 35mm was convenience, convenience, and more convenience. Digital out does the convenience factor by about a hundred miles. And the beauty of digital is the ease of integrating it into an editing pipeline. No, 35mm film is going the way of the dodo, it will be used by collectors and a few stubborn individuals for many years to come, but it is for all intents and purposes, well on its way out. And to be honest, it's not a big loss, digital has a much, much higher ceiling. Eventually we will have large format sized images in 35mm bodies. Why use inferior 35mm film then??? Real-world side by side comparisons show that the best 6MP DSLR's are already the equal of 35mm provia film. The theoretical mumbo jumbo about how 35mm film is 50MP blah blah blah, its all a bunch of hootenanny, lies, and BS. Fact is DSLR's have already equaled and surpassed 35mm film. Its done for, there will be no resurgence.
Re: OT: Eliminating 'virii' ( was Re: Anyone still using windows ME
Bob W wrote: Hi, This has actually nothing to do with regular languages. It's just computer lingo. The jargon of nerds, if you will. I doubt that. As another example, one unix, several unices. And several boxes running a unix version is often referred to as boxen. It's nerd jargon if they know the standard plural and continue to use the non-standard term. I suspect that if you did a poll the overwhelming majority of those people would know perfectly well what the English plural of 'box' is, but continue to say 'boxen' for nerdy jargon reasons. Conversely I would guess that 0.1% at most know the Latin plurals and the English plural and continue to say 'virii' for nerdy jargon reasons. It's not just computer nerds. I can't count the number of non-nerdy people who think the plural of 'status' is either 'stati' or 'statii'. I think that the nerdy types are perfectly aware of the plural of virii, box etc. And the people who continue to say it in the wrong way do it because of it is part of the jargon. But hey, I agree with you that people are stupid and say stuff wrong because they are ignorant. Although, since the original word 'virus' in this context is originally from these nerdy people, the regular (and stupid, as you pointed out) people probably just imitate them. /Henri
Re: OT: Eliminating 'virii' ( was Re: Anyone still using windows ME
Hi, But hey, I agree with you that people are stupid and say stuff wrong because they are ignorant. I did not say people are stupid. -- Cheers, Bob
RE: OT: Eliminating 'virii' ( was Re: Anyone still using windows ME
Oh great now I'm stupid because I said virii??? You know outlook tries to correct that spelling, BUT I DON'T LET IT -Shawn -Original Message- From: Henri Toivonen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Eliminating 'virii' ( was Re: Anyone still using windows ME Bob W wrote: Hi, This has actually nothing to do with regular languages. It's just computer lingo. The jargon of nerds, if you will. I doubt that. As another example, one unix, several unices. And several boxes running a unix version is often referred to as boxen. It's nerd jargon if they know the standard plural and continue to use the non-standard term. I suspect that if you did a poll the overwhelming majority of those people would know perfectly well what the English plural of 'box' is, but continue to say 'boxen' for nerdy jargon reasons. Conversely I would guess that 0.1% at most know the Latin plurals and the English plural and continue to say 'virii' for nerdy jargon reasons. It's not just computer nerds. I can't count the number of non-nerdy people who think the plural of 'status' is either 'stati' or 'statii'. I think that the nerdy types are perfectly aware of the plural of virii, box etc. And the people who continue to say it in the wrong way do it because of it is part of the jargon. But hey, I agree with you that people are stupid and say stuff wrong because they are ignorant. Although, since the original word 'virus' in this context is originally from these nerdy people, the regular (and stupid, as you pointed out) people probably just imitate them. /Henri
Re: OT: Eliminating 'virii' ( was Re: Anyone still using windows ME
people are stupid ... you did now.. :) Tom C. From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Eliminating 'virii' ( was Re: Anyone still using windows ME Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:59:55 +0100 Hi, But hey, I agree with you that people are stupid and say stuff wrong because they are ignorant. I did not say people are stupid. -- Cheers, Bob
Photoshop Machine (Was RE: Anyone still using windows ME)
Gosh, I would not pay the cost of G5 for the speed it offers. The fastest G5 with dual processor is not even close to my dual Opteron 2.0GB. I use this machine extensively for doing advertising and photo editing. It offers 64-bit, but I don't really care since Windows 64 is not yet available until Q4 this year - but even with Windows XP, this is the fastest machine for now. I found Windows-based systems are easier to upgrade or modify. I can change the components anytime I want - plus I could still play few games that I like - which is NOT available on Mac. All in all, you must admit that Windows-based system is the most widely used on this planet - regardless the endless bugs Microsoft tries to patch. It simply rules - so it's better *somehow* than any other OS. I can't help it - I just woke up with HUNDREDS of messages from PDML. I'm usually a passive member. I enjoy reading and sorting to see if there are useful things for me. COME'ON!!! PS: The FASTEST Big Mac would still be available from MacDonalds. It's available with all of the optionals just under 3 minutes at even more a fraction of a cost - $2.49 here. -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Well OSX runs just fine on my G4 1 gig. Do you own a Mac? Nobody said OSX was 64 bit either. As far as I am aware the new G5 chips are 64 bit but OSX isn't yet. As to price I think you are wrong, a similarly specced Wintel machine will cost the same or more than a Mac. Did you not hear about the Virginia Tech big mac - the worlds 3rd fastest super computer, at the fraction of the cost of competing systems, including AMD and Intel. As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 16:52, Shawn K. wrote: OSX flaws... For one thing OSX is hugely processor hungry. For another, I'm sorry to say, but it isn't 64 bit either, thats just some BS the Macintosh marketing department fed you. So before you go ranting on Microsoft, I think you should pause and think about how Mac's are largely way more expensive than an equivalent windows machine, and Macintosh is just as likely to lie to you as any other big company. Also, regarding the spyware, that has nothing to do with windows, spyware is a legitimate software in the eyes of the OS, it's just legitimate software that spys on you... Spyware does not exploit a flaw in a the system... It can just as easily show up in a friggin Unix supercomputer should someone feel the need to write such a program. What would be the use of writing a Mac virus?? Yeah imagine the chaos when artists around the world can't doctor up their image files... It's not quite the same as costing corporations billions now is it?? Or using a virus to DOS a large website like SCO and Microsoft??? You couldn't do that writing virii for a Mac, and thats why you don't see them for the Mac. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works like a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a small bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market leading de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing betterl, a lot better. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace it. Bill
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it only means you don't know how to. Herb... - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Shawn, you cannot install any software on OSX unless you enter the Admin password - therefore by design a virus cannot install and run itself which is the big problem with Windows.
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Really, I didn't know that. Interesting. So how come Windows is still so vulnerable to virus attacks? Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 20:23, Shawn K. wrote: You can set up windows to do the same thing Antonio. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Shawn, you cannot install any software on OSX unless you enter the Admin password - therefore by design a virus cannot install and run itself which is the big problem with Windows. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 19:33, Shawn K. wrote: Its not a matter of examples antonio, its a matter of computers having certain essential qualities. You cannot by design eliminate even virii!! If a person opens a piece of software, sent to them by whatever means, and they run it on their computer, you can't design that out!! 99.99% of todays spyware is installed BY THE USER!! You cannot eliminate that by design or you would be eliminating the functionality of the OS. Not to mention that many cookies track users... There is simply no way to COMPLETELY secure a computer without making functionality sacrifices. I guarantee you that OSX has flaws in it, and if enough people cared to exploit those flaws, they would be found and eploited. Its the nature of software to have flaws. Even UNIX has flaws, and OSX is based on UNIX so no doubt OSX has flaws as well. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Ok, I am open to being wrong. Could yo point me to some examples? Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 18:58, John Francis wrote: As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. GAHHH Sorry, Antonio, but you are completely and utterly wrong on this account. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Well OSX runs just fine on my G4 1 gig. Do you own a Mac? Nobody said OSX was 64 bit either. As far as I am aware the new G5 chips are 64 bit but OSX isn't yet. As to price I think you are wrong, a similarly specced Wintel machine will cost the same or more than a Mac. Did you not hear about the Virginia Tech big mac - the worlds 3rd fastest super computer, at the fraction of the cost of competing systems, including AMD and Intel. As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 16:52, Shawn K. wrote: OSX flaws... For one thing OSX is hugely processor hungry. For another, I'm sorry to say, but it isn't 64 bit either, thats just some BS the Macintosh marketing department fed you. So before you go ranting on Microsoft, I think you should pause and think about how Mac's are largely way more expensive than an equivalent windows machine, and Macintosh is just as likely to lie to you as any other big company. Also, regarding the spyware, that has nothing to do with windows, spyware is a legitimate software in the eyes of the OS, it's just legitimate software that spys on you... Spyware does not exploit a flaw in a the system... It can just as easily show up in a friggin Unix supercomputer should someone feel the need to write such a program. What would be the use of writing a Mac virus?? Yeah imagine the chaos when artists around the world can't doctor up their image files... It's not quite the same as costing corporations billions now is it?? Or using a virus to DOS a large website like SCO and Microsoft??? You couldn't do that writing virii for a Mac, and thats why you don't see them for the Mac. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works like a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a small bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market leading de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing betterl, a lot better. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders or something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard operating system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that we the users deserved better, especially given the money the company makes. If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace it. Bill
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On 5/18/04 5:53 PM, Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, I didn't know that. Interesting. So how come Windows is still so vulnerable to virus attacks? Hi Antonio, Nice to meet you (on the list :-). This might help you understand what's going on in each OS? http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/05/18/safariadvisory/index.php?redi rect=1084911514000 Cheers, Ken
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Because flaws in software go beyond the blatantly obvious... -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 5:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Really, I didn't know that. Interesting. So how come Windows is still so vulnerable to virus attacks? Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 20:23, Shawn K. wrote: You can set up windows to do the same thing Antonio. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Shawn, you cannot install any software on OSX unless you enter the Admin password - therefore by design a virus cannot install and run itself which is the big problem with Windows. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 19:33, Shawn K. wrote: Its not a matter of examples antonio, its a matter of computers having certain essential qualities. You cannot by design eliminate even virii!! If a person opens a piece of software, sent to them by whatever means, and they run it on their computer, you can't design that out!! 99.99% of todays spyware is installed BY THE USER!! You cannot eliminate that by design or you would be eliminating the functionality of the OS. Not to mention that many cookies track users... There is simply no way to COMPLETELY secure a computer without making functionality sacrifices. I guarantee you that OSX has flaws in it, and if enough people cared to exploit those flaws, they would be found and eploited. Its the nature of software to have flaws. Even UNIX has flaws, and OSX is based on UNIX so no doubt OSX has flaws as well. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Ok, I am open to being wrong. Could yo point me to some examples? Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 18:58, John Francis wrote: As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. GAHHH Sorry, Antonio, but you are completely and utterly wrong on this account. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Well OSX runs just fine on my G4 1 gig. Do you own a Mac? Nobody said OSX was 64 bit either. As far as I am aware the new G5 chips are 64 bit but OSX isn't yet. As to price I think you are wrong, a similarly specced Wintel machine will cost the same or more than a Mac. Did you not hear about the Virginia Tech big mac - the worlds 3rd fastest super computer, at the fraction of the cost of competing systems, including AMD and Intel. As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I believe that is by design. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 16:52, Shawn K. wrote: OSX flaws... For one thing OSX is hugely processor hungry. For another, I'm sorry to say, but it isn't 64 bit either, thats just some BS the Macintosh marketing department fed you. So before you go ranting on Microsoft, I think you should pause and think about how Mac's are largely way more expensive than an equivalent windows machine, and Macintosh is just as likely to lie to you as any other big company. Also, regarding the spyware, that has nothing to do with windows, spyware is a legitimate software in the eyes of the OS, it's just legitimate software that spys on you... Spyware does not exploit a flaw in a the system... It can just as easily show up in a friggin Unix supercomputer should someone feel the need to write such a program. What would be the use of writing a Mac virus?? Yeah imagine the chaos when artists around the world can't doctor up their image files... It's not quite the same as costing corporations billions now is it?? Or using a virus to DOS a large website like SCO and Microsoft??? You couldn't do that writing virii for a Mac, and thats why you don't see them for the Mac. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works like a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a small bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market leading de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing betterl, a lot better. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft shareholders
Re: Anyone still using WIndows ME?
Frantisek Vlcek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Win ME is super-slow, super-buggy, super-unstable; super-crappy. MR That's pretty much what I've heard. The way I heard it, it's quite a hybrid. With many things inherited still from good old Dos and subsequent hybrids like W95/W98, while some things from the newer versions as well. No wonder it's unstable and bloated. What Microsoft did was discontinue all support for real-mode drivers. If Windows ME is given any real-mode drivers it won't install them but will install its own default drivers for the hardware in question. And there's no way to prevent it from doing so or substituting any drivers other than the ones it thinks you need. If its chosen drivers don't work (as is often the case) you're left with a very flaky system indeed. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Hi Mark. I have ME on my onsite computers.They came that way from the photog that sold me his stuff.So far only one problem since 2001, July.I run PS 6, AcDc,Corel 7,but no internet. The problem seemed to fix itself after a day of being shut off,so i'm not sure what happened there. Not sure if i can help technically,but i'll try. Dave Now knocking on woodg) I have some technical questions regarding Windows ME. I don't have it and so can't verify a few things. If anyone who has this operating system would be willing to answer some (Pentax-related) questions, I'd appreciate an off-list email. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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What windows software isnt? Its amazing that a company with so so so much money at its disposal continues to put out such shoddy substandard products. Antonio On 17 May 2004, at 13:50, Mark Roberts wrote: Win ME is super-slow, super-buggy, super-unstable; super-crappy
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Antonio Aparicio wrote: What windows software isnt? Its amazing that a company with so so so much money at its disposal continues to put out such shoddy substandard products. Well, it's much worse than say, Win Xp. Substandard? Maybe that's the wrong word for it. Windows IS the standard for operating systems. However crappy it may be, it's still the standard. /Henri
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Not when you realize their main interest is selling support contracts to corporations. -- Antonio Aparicio wrote: What windows software isnt? Its amazing that a company with so so so much money at its disposal continues to put out such shoddy substandard products. Antonio On 17 May 2004, at 13:50, Mark Roberts wrote: Win ME is super-slow, super-buggy, super-unstable; super-crappy -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
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Don't kid yourself, OS-X is based on a Unix version that's that's a hackers wet dream and a developers nightmare. Cotty wrote: On 17/5/04, HENRI, discombobulated, offered: Substandard? Maybe that's the wrong word for it. Windows IS the standard for operating systems. However crappy it may be, it's still the standard. Gee it's nice to know that I use an above standard OS ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
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Hi Peter, I dont want to get into a flame situation here, but I do not think that I have ever heard of OSX being either hacked nor a problem for developers. Can you support you statement with an example? Certainly I do not think any OS is totally imune from a determined hack, but all the information I have to date on the subject lead me to beleive that OSX is about as stable and hack proof as they come. Is there something I have been missing? Please say more. Antonio Antonio On 17 May 2004, at 17:51, Peter J. Alling wrote: Don't kid yourself, OS-X is based on a Unix version that's that's a hackers wet dream and a developers nightmare. Cotty wrote: On 17/5/04, HENRI, discombobulated, offered: Substandard? Maybe that's the wrong word for it. Windows IS the standard for operating systems. However crappy it may be, it's still the standard. Gee it's nice to know that I use an above standard OS ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
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Much worse than Xp - thats an interesting way of putting it! Bug ridden POS. Xp is not much better - in fact as far as virus, spyware and the like are concerned it is 1,000 times worse! They should have named it VXp for Virus Experience! Gosh, I've been running XP for almost a year and a half, I've never had a virus, never had any problems at all. Ditto. I'm finding XP to be quite stable. I run 2 firewalls and keep my antivirus software up to date, take the usual precautions, and I'm fine.
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Amita Guha wrote: I've been running XP for almost a year and a half, I've never had a virus, never had any problems at all. Ditto. I'm finding XP to be quite stable. I run 2 firewalls and keep my antivirus software up to date, take the usual precautions, and I'm fine. I have a router infront of the network, and thats it. No antivirus software, no firewalls. Nothing. And not a single problem for 2 years straight. /Henri
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I have a router infront of the network, and thats it. No antivirus software, no firewalls. Nothing. And not a single problem for 2 years straight. Henri, you are obviously a man who likes to live dangerously! ;) Amita
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In a message dated 5/17/2004 9:04:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a router infront of the network, and thats it. No antivirus software, no firewalls. Nothing. And not a single problem for 2 years straight. /Henri - Not sure, but think it helps if one doesn't use Outlook. Seems most viruses I have heard of come through that. Also helps to not open emails with attachments unless you know who they are from (which is just common sense). HTML attachments can be enabled safely for most store ads, however. And it helps to not download software (shareware and such) except from approved sites (sites approved to release that shareware or freebie). I've been on the Internet since 1996, never used Outlook, don't have a firewall, and have never had a virus. Marnie aka Doe I live dangerously. ;-)
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Frantisek Vlcek wrote: Win ME is super-slow, super-buggy, super-unstable; super-crappy. MR That's pretty much what I've heard. The way I heard it, it's quite a hybrid. With many things inherited still from good old Dos and subsequent hybrids like W95/W98, while some things from the newer versions as well. No wonder it's unstable and bloated. I've been _using_ it for the last three years. No problems at all that could not be attributable to operator error. _Until_ I connected to NTL. Now it falls over in a draught from an open window. _But_ it's not susceptible to many of the worms and viruses floating about. For the moment, it's staying put. mike
