Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[Ecke PDML]

2011/5/24 Bob W :
>
> only works if you're not wearing underpants?

the force is strong with this one but you need to wrap it in aluminum
foil to make it work as an antenna extender... and you'll be limited
to short calls =P

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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[Steven Desjardins]

That's between you and your wireless provider.

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> Casio makes an Android phone that is also more durable called the
>> G'zOne Commando.  Subtle name, that.
>>
>
> only works if you're not wearing underpants?
>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Ecke PDML
>>  wrote:
>> > http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/mobile-
>> phone/GT-B2710IKAXSA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
>> >
>> > 2011/5/24 Ecke PDML :
>> >> 2011/5/23 Bob W :
>> >>>
>> >>> that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile
>> phones and
>> >>> don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to
>> hold a
>> >>> telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to
>> do it.
>> >>
>> >> BTW if you want really tough and don't need the smartphone
>> featureset,
>> >> have a look at the Samsung B2710 Extreme. Much cheaper than Sonims
>> and
>> >> tough enough for J. Random Average =)
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RE: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[Bob W]

> Casio makes an Android phone that is also more durable called the
> G'zOne Commando.  Subtle name, that.
> 

only works if you're not wearing underpants?

> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Ecke PDML
>  wrote:
> > http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/mobile-
> phone/GT-B2710IKAXSA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
> >
> > 2011/5/24 Ecke PDML :
> >> 2011/5/23 Bob W :
> >>>
> >>> that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile
> phones and
> >>> don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to
> hold a
> >>> telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to
> do it.
> >>
> >> BTW if you want really tough and don't need the smartphone
> featureset,
> >> have a look at the Samsung B2710 Extreme. Much cheaper than Sonims
> and
> >> tough enough for J. Random Average =)



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RE: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Ecke PDML
> >
> > that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile phones
> and
> > don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to hold
> a
> > telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to do
> it.
> 
> BTW if you want really tough and don't need the smartphone featureset,
> have a look at the Samsung B2710 Extreme. Much cheaper than Sonims and
> tough enough for J. Random Average =)

thanks, but I need the smartphone stuff. 

I'm not J Random Average, I'm J Predictable Hardnut.

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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[mike wilson]

On 24/05/2011 17:07, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Seal Team Six, please.  (Although it is a funny name for an elite
commando team.)


Already copyrighted by Dismal Corporation



On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Ecke PDML  wrote:

bummer. US only.

2011/5/24 Steven Desjardins:

Casio makes an Android phone that is also more durable called the
G'zOne Commando.  Subtle name, that.

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Ecke PDML  wrote:

http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/GT-B2710IKAXSA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=


Looks good and available from here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-B2710-Solid-Immerse-Mobile/dp/B0042ORU08

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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[Steven Desjardins]

Got it.  Work is so distracting when I'm trying to read the PDML.

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> 2011/5/24 Steven Desjardins :
>> Seal Team Six, please.  (Although it is a funny name for an elite
>> commando team.)
>
> You missed the pun :]
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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

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2011/5/24 Steven Desjardins :
> Seal Team Six, please.  (Although it is a funny name for an elite
> commando team.)

You missed the pun :]

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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[Steven Desjardins]

I'm tempted.  I do tend to break stuff.

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Ecke PDML  wrote:
> bummer. US only.
>
> 2011/5/24 Steven Desjardins :
>> Casio makes an Android phone that is also more durable called the
>> G'zOne Commando.  Subtle name, that.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Ecke PDML  
>> wrote:
>>> http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/GT-B2710IKAXSA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
>>>
>>> 2011/5/24 Ecke PDML :
 2011/5/23 Bob W :
>
> that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile phones and
> don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to hold a
> telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to do it.

 BTW if you want really tough and don't need the smartphone featureset,
 have a look at the Samsung B2710 Extreme. Much cheaper than Sonims and
 tough enough for J. Random Average =)

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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[Steven Desjardins]

Seal Team Six, please.  (Although it is a funny name for an elite
commando team.)

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Ecke PDML  wrote:
> bummer. US only.
>
> 2011/5/24 Steven Desjardins :
>> Casio makes an Android phone that is also more durable called the
>> G'zOne Commando.  Subtle name, that.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Ecke PDML  
>> wrote:
>>> http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/GT-B2710IKAXSA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
>>>
>>> 2011/5/24 Ecke PDML :
 2011/5/23 Bob W :
>
> that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile phones and
> don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to hold a
> telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to do it.

 BTW if you want really tough and don't need the smartphone featureset,
 have a look at the Samsung B2710 Extreme. Much cheaper than Sonims and
 tough enough for J. Random Average =)

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Re: Essential Kit

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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> So I dont fret about it at all. Why waste the time and energy? Go make 
> pictures.

MARK!

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Re: Essential Kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don't need more than an 8-16G card, already have several of each in
SDHC and CF, so the future value of an SDXC reader, to me, is nil. By
the time I want/need one, the thirty bucks will have already paid for
itself many times over in practical usage.

So I dont fret about it at all. Why waste the time and energy? Go make pictures.

On Tuesday, May 24, 2011, Ecke PDML  wrote:
> 2011/5/24 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
>>
>> Simply a matter of product timing. The "reader" is a little bit of a
>> thing that isn't a big deal.
>
> well looking at how SD prices drop SDXC will soon become the logical
> size to buy. when I bought my 8 GB SDHC anything smaller carried a
> higher cost per gig, now the same applies to 16 or 32 gigs resp. and
> by the time I have my (SDXC-compatible) K-5 or K-3 it will likely
> apply to a small SDXC-card and that will then cost no more than I paid
> for my 8 gigs or would pay for 16/32 gigs today. so in a nutshell a
> non -SDXC CCC bought today (because I need one /now/) will be another
> pretty piece of eWaste in about a year. and it really shouldn't be so
> hard because that's hardly a component Apple did more with than design
> the case and packaging... anyway it is not a matter of choice and more
> of an expression of my dissatisfaction with the fact that they refuse
> to add industry standard interfaces to their flying carpet...
>
>> I find it very easy and fluid, but that's a matter of personal opinion.
>
> agreed. good way to settle it.
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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

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bummer. US only.

2011/5/24 Steven Desjardins :
> Casio makes an Android phone that is also more durable called the
> G'zOne Commando.  Subtle name, that.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Ecke PDML  
> wrote:
>> http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/GT-B2710IKAXSA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
>>
>> 2011/5/24 Ecke PDML :
>>> 2011/5/23 Bob W :

 that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile phones and
 don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to hold a
 telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to do it.
>>>
>>> BTW if you want really tough and don't need the smartphone featureset,
>>> have a look at the Samsung B2710 Extreme. Much cheaper than Sonims and
>>> tough enough for J. Random Average =)
>>>
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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

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Better than a line of phones called "Sealed Team Six" anyway =)

2011/5/24 Steven Desjardins :
> Casio makes an Android phone that is also more durable called the
> G'zOne Commando.  Subtle name, that.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Ecke PDML  
> wrote:
>> http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/GT-B2710IKAXSA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
>>
>> 2011/5/24 Ecke PDML :
>>> 2011/5/23 Bob W :

 that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile phones and
 don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to hold a
 telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to do it.
>>>
>>> BTW if you want really tough and don't need the smartphone featureset,
>>> have a look at the Samsung B2710 Extreme. Much cheaper than Sonims and
>>> tough enough for J. Random Average =)
>>>
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Re: Essential Kit

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2011/5/24 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
>
> Simply a matter of product timing. The "reader" is a little bit of a
> thing that isn't a big deal.

well looking at how SD prices drop SDXC will soon become the logical
size to buy. when I bought my 8 GB SDHC anything smaller carried a
higher cost per gig, now the same applies to 16 or 32 gigs resp. and
by the time I have my (SDXC-compatible) K-5 or K-3 it will likely
apply to a small SDXC-card and that will then cost no more than I paid
for my 8 gigs or would pay for 16/32 gigs today. so in a nutshell a
non -SDXC CCC bought today (because I need one /now/) will be another
pretty piece of eWaste in about a year. and it really shouldn't be so
hard because that's hardly a component Apple did more with than design
the case and packaging... anyway it is not a matter of choice and more
of an expression of my dissatisfaction with the fact that they refuse
to add industry standard interfaces to their flying carpet...

> I find it very easy and fluid, but that's a matter of personal opinion.

agreed. good way to settle it.

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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[Steven Desjardins]

Casio makes an Android phone that is also more durable called the
G'zOne Commando.  Subtle name, that.

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Ecke PDML  wrote:
> http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/GT-B2710IKAXSA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
>
> 2011/5/24 Ecke PDML :
>> 2011/5/23 Bob W :
>>>
>>> that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile phones and
>>> don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to hold a
>>> telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to do it.
>>
>> BTW if you want really tough and don't need the smartphone featureset,
>> have a look at the Samsung B2710 Extreme. Much cheaper than Sonims and
>> tough enough for J. Random Average =)
>>
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Re: Essential Kit

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On Tuesday, May 24, 2011, Ecke PDML  wrote:
> 2011/5/23 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
>> So how many SDXC cards have you got? And how many of your cameras are
>> SDXC compatible? Having the reader unit independent of the device
>> means that it can be updated when the time comes.
>
> agreed. and yet I find it completely unacceptable to have to buy
> either an SDHC only CCC now and an SDXC CCC later or an SDHC CCC now
> just because the iPad doesn't have a USB port to hook up an existing
> card reader and all this at a time when it is already becoming hard to
> buy card readers that do NOT support SDXC. from an environmental
> viewpoint that just means extra waste and from a consumer viewpoint it
> is - at least to me - completely incomprehensible why Apple is doing
> this... are they too slow or too arrogant or simply looking for a
> buck?

Simply a matter of product timing. The "reader" is a little bit of a
thing that isn't a big deal.

>> BTW: iOS 4 is a multitasking operating system.
>
> yes and no, switching between running apps is a pain from a usability
> viewpoint. but it may improve in future iOS releases I hope..
>

I find it very easy and fluid, but that's a matter of personal opinion.

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Re: Essential Kit

[Ecke PDML]

And yes, I know multitasking and app switching aren't quite the same
thing - I want both, better app switching and the ability to let an
app background process while I do something else.
Cheers
Ecke

2011/5/24 Ecke PDML :
> 2011/5/23 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
>> So how many SDXC cards have you got? And how many of your cameras are
>> SDXC compatible? Having the reader unit independent of the device
>> means that it can be updated when the time comes.
>
> agreed. and yet I find it completely unacceptable to have to buy
> either an SDHC only CCC now and an SDXC CCC later or an SDHC CCC now
> just because the iPad doesn't have a USB port to hook up an existing
> card reader and all this at a time when it is already becoming hard to
> buy card readers that do NOT support SDXC. from an environmental
> viewpoint that just means extra waste and from a consumer viewpoint it
> is - at least to me - completely incomprehensible why Apple is doing
> this... are they too slow or too arrogant or simply looking for a
> buck?
>
>> BTW: iOS 4 is a multitasking operating system.
>
> yes and no, switching between running apps is a pain from a usability
> viewpoint. but it may improve in future iOS releases I hope.
>

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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

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http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/GT-B2710IKAXSA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=

2011/5/24 Ecke PDML :
> 2011/5/23 Bob W :
>>
>> that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile phones and
>> don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to hold a
>> telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to do it.
>
> BTW if you want really tough and don't need the smartphone featureset,
> have a look at the Samsung B2710 Extreme. Much cheaper than Sonims and
> tough enough for J. Random Average =)
>

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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

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2011/5/23 Bob W :
>
> that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile phones and
> don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to hold a
> telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to do it.

BTW if you want really tough and don't need the smartphone featureset,
have a look at the Samsung B2710 Extreme. Much cheaper than Sonims and
tough enough for J. Random Average =)

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Re: OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[Ecke PDML]

there are Outlook sync apps in the Android market, some free, some
commercial. I think you'll be fine but as I don't have an Exchange
server I haven't used one so I can't say for sure.
Cheers
Ecke

2011/5/23 Bob W :
> [...]
>> stupid. By that time someone will have one in the market with dust
>> seals and gorilla glass, too. (like the Motorola Defy in the
>> smartphone market, brilliant job, that one). [...]
>
> that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile phones and
> don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to hold a
> telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to do it.
>
> I'm on the lookout for a new phone at the moment, and that Motorola Defy
> looks like a good offer for me. The phone I have now has taken a bit of a
> beating and bits of it keep falling off.
>
> The only phone operating system I've used is Windows, because back in the
> day it was the only one that synced reliably with Outlook calendar, contacts
> and tasks automatically on my laptop while recharging. Does Android do this
> now? That is, without me having to fanny around going via Google calendar or
> some other 3rd way?
>
> B
>
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Re: Essential Kit

[Ecke PDML]

2011/5/23 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
> So how many SDXC cards have you got? And how many of your cameras are
> SDXC compatible? Having the reader unit independent of the device
> means that it can be updated when the time comes.

agreed. and yet I find it completely unacceptable to have to buy
either an SDHC only CCC now and an SDXC CCC later or an SDHC CCC now
just because the iPad doesn't have a USB port to hook up an existing
card reader and all this at a time when it is already becoming hard to
buy card readers that do NOT support SDXC. from an environmental
viewpoint that just means extra waste and from a consumer viewpoint it
is - at least to me - completely incomprehensible why Apple is doing
this... are they too slow or too arrogant or simply looking for a
buck?

> BTW: iOS 4 is a multitasking operating system.

yes and no, switching between running apps is a pain from a usability
viewpoint. but it may improve in future iOS releases I hope.

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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-23 14:26 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM, steve harley  wrote:

"not freewheeling" is just an informal way of describing this situation:

iOS apps aren't inherently multitasking, to run in the background they must
implement a method which handles the backgrounding event, and there are
certain limits, not the least of which is that only some services (e.g.
audio) can run continuously in the background; other background processing
is suspended after ten minutes, and background apps may be terminated when
memory is needed for a foreground app


The multitasking schema is restrictive due to the fact that power and
performance considerations for a mobile device stacks the multitasking
prioritization appropriately.


i completely understand, and i don't have a problem with it; in fact my 
initial statement was intended to head off a potential comeback from 
Ecke about how iOS doesn't do "real multitasking" -- i was ready to 
point out how "freewheeling" multitasking could make it much harder to 
manage battery life


i spent a good portion of my life freewheeling and i'm glad to say that 
i now see the wisdom of the middle way


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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-23 12:08 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Photosmith, Photopad and Photogene apps do a very nice job dealing
with new captures. Photosmith is a image management tool that
collaborates with Lightroom ... still immature and some bugs ... The
other two are pretty good editors right on the iPad. FolioBook is a
very nice iPad portfolio and display app.


i wasn't really thinking of editors so much as photo managers, but it 
does look like the latter category is progressing on iPad; what i'd want 
would be tagging, basic exposure adjustment and cropping (not for finish 
work, but to see an image's potential), presentation, plus exporting XMP 
sidecars and syncing back to SD cards


Photosmith looks promising for some of that, and from its site i see may 
hold promise for an Aperture workflow as well


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Re: Essential Kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> "not freewheeling" is just an informal way of describing this situation:
>
> iOS apps aren't inherently multitasking, to run in the background they must
> implement a method which handles the backgrounding event, and there are
> certain limits, not the least of which is that only some services (e.g.
> audio) can run continuously in the background; other background processing
> is suspended after ten minutes, and background apps may be terminated when
> memory is needed for a foreground app

The multitasking schema is restrictive due to the fact that power and
performance considerations for a mobile device stacks the multitasking
prioritization appropriately. An iOS device isn't a desktop machine
with continuous power on from an external source, nor do they have the
nearly infinite memory capacity of modern desktop systems ... ;-)

But it works very nicely for what it was designed to do. It wasn't
designed to be a multi-user unix server, after all.
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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-23 12:12 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:50 AM, steve harley  wrote:

also the iPad multitasks, but not in a freewheeling way; what it does have
for photographers is a very nice display and "easy" photo software; easy
isn't for everyone, i know (it irks me to no end)


BTW, I have no idea what you mean by "multitasks, but not in a
freewheeling way". What does it mean to have a freewheeling
multitasking operating system?


"not freewheeling" is just an informal way of describing this situation:

iOS apps aren't inherently multitasking, to run in the background they 
must implement a method which handles the backgrounding event, and there 
are certain limits, not the least of which is that only some services 
(e.g. audio) can run continuously in the background; other background 
processing is suspended after ten minutes, and background apps may be 
terminated when memory is needed for a foreground app




I can have several apps doing processing simultaneously, they
represent individual processes that each get a guaranteed, prioritized
time slice on the processor . That's what multitasking means.


i did write "the iPad multitasks", but using your definition i'd say iOS 
gives more of a "limited warranty" than a guarantee


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OT: Android versus Satan ( was RE: Essential Kit

[Bob W]

[...]
> stupid. By that time someone will have one in the market with dust
> seals and gorilla glass, too. (like the Motorola Defy in the
> smartphone market, brilliant job, that one). [...]

that's rather interesting. I know next to nothing about mobile phones and
don't care much about them, but I've always wanted to be able to hold a
telephone conversation underwater and that's clearly the phone to do it.

I'm on the lookout for a new phone at the moment, and that Motorola Defy
looks like a good offer for me. The phone I have now has taken a bit of a
beating and bits of it keep falling off. 

The only phone operating system I've used is Windows, because back in the
day it was the only one that synced reliably with Outlook calendar, contacts
and tasks automatically on my laptop while recharging. Does Android do this
now? That is, without me having to fanny around going via Google calendar or
some other 3rd way?

B


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Re: Essential Kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:50 AM, steve harley  wrote:
> also the iPad multitasks, but not in a freewheeling way; what it does have
> for photographers is a very nice display and "easy" photo software; easy
> isn't for everyone, i know (it irks me to no end)

BTW, I have no idea what you mean by "multitasks, but not in a
freewheeling way". What does it mean to have a freewheeling
multitasking operating system?

I can have several apps doing processing simultaneously, they
represent individual processes that each get a guaranteed, prioritized
time slice on the processor . That's what multitasking means.
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Re: Essential Kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:50 AM, steve harley  wrote:
> first of all the "camera connector" is an awkward little dongle, but it is
> only $30 over here, and it includes a USB port, into which you can plug an
> SDXC reader or various other things; however if the SDXC card is formatted
> as exFAT, iPad can't read it (yet); it can, however, do PTP with a camera
> that has an SDXC card in it (i'm curious what devices are people using SDXC
> with where they actually get a clear speed advantage?)
>
> also the iPad multitasks, but not in a freewheeling way; what it does have
> for photographers is a very nice display and "easy" photo software; easy
> isn't for everyone, i know (it irks me to no end)

Apple's provided free software is useful but minimal in its capabilities.
There are about 4000 photography apps available for the iPad, you
don't have to be limited to just what Apple provides.

Photosmith, Photopad and Photogene apps do a very nice job dealing
with new captures. Photosmith is a image management tool that
collaborates with Lightroom ... still immature and some bugs ... The
other two are pretty good editors right on the iPad. FolioBook is a
very nice iPad portfolio and display app.

I've been on the road for three weeks and using the iPad quite
heavily. It's much more capable than I thought at first. No
replacement for my laptop (which I also have with me) but in a pinch I
could run with only it.
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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-23 01:43 , Ecke PDML wrote:

The iPad is nice and all
but why buy a device that needs a 40$ non-SDXC-compatible adaptor to
read SD** cards and has no USB or multitasking?


first of all the "camera connector" is an awkward little dongle, but it 
is only $30 over here, and it includes a USB port, into which you can 
plug an SDXC reader or various other things; however if the SDXC card is 
formatted as exFAT, iPad can't read it (yet); it can, however, do PTP 
with a camera that has an SDXC card in it (i'm curious what devices are 
people using SDXC with where they actually get a clear speed advantage?)


also the iPad multitasks, but not in a freewheeling way; what it does 
have for photographers is a very nice display and "easy" photo software; 
easy isn't for everyone, i know (it irks me to no end)




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Re: Essential Kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

So how many SDXC cards have you got? And how many of your cameras are
SDXC compatible? Having the reader unit independent of the device
means that it can be updated when the time comes.

BTW: iOS 4 is a multitasking operating system.

Godfrey


On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> The iPad is nice and all but why buy a device that needs a 40$
>> non-SDXC-compatible adaptor to
>> read SD** cards and has no USB or multitasking?
>
> Agreed.
> I too was put off when I purchased an iPad for my wife this past Christmas &
> was told I'd need to buy an additional device to directly input photos to
> the iPad. I run everything I capture thru CS2 first anyhow, so it wasn't a
> deal killer for me.
>
> All in all, tho its a great device that does most of what my wife expects of
> it. I input photos thru the home PC & it does a great job of displaying
> them.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Ecke PDML" 
> Subject: Re: Essential Kit
>
>
>> 2011/5/22 Stan Halpin :
>>>
>>> Note that this is all speculation as I have no iPad. I've done something
>>> similar to the above using my laptop, but it seems that the iPad would be a
>>> better device for sharing photos with others.
>>
>> I'd rather wait for an Android tablet that runs the next OS after
>> honeycomb, codename I believe Ice Cream Waffle or something similarly
>> stupid. By that time someone will have one in the market with dust
>> seals and gorilla glass, too. (like the Motorola Defy in the
>> smartphone market, brilliant job, that one). The iPad is nice and all
>> but why buy a device that needs a 40$ non-SDXC-compatible adaptor to
>> read SD** cards and has no USB or multitasking? Sure I like mine but
>> that thing has chastity belt written all over it...
>> Cheers
>> Ecke
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Re: Essential Kit

[Ken Waller]

The iPad is nice and all but why buy a device that needs a 40$ 
non-SDXC-compatible adaptor to

read SD** cards and has no USB or multitasking?


Agreed.
I too was put off when I purchased an iPad for my wife this past Christmas & 
was told I'd need to buy an additional device to directly input photos to 
the iPad. I run everything I capture thru CS2 first anyhow, so it wasn't a 
deal killer for me.


All in all, tho its a great device that does most of what my wife expects of 
it. I input photos thru the home PC & it does a great job of displaying 
them.


Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: Essential Kit



2011/5/22 Stan Halpin :


Note that this is all speculation as I have no iPad. I've done something 
similar to the above using my laptop, but it seems that the iPad would be 
a better device for sharing photos with others.


I'd rather wait for an Android tablet that runs the next OS after
honeycomb, codename I believe Ice Cream Waffle or something similarly
stupid. By that time someone will have one in the market with dust
seals and gorilla glass, too. (like the Motorola Defy in the
smartphone market, brilliant job, that one). The iPad is nice and all
but why buy a device that needs a 40$ non-SDXC-compatible adaptor to
read SD** cards and has no USB or multitasking? Sure I like mine but
that thing has chastity belt written all over it...
Cheers
Ecke



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Re: Essential Kit

[Ecke PDML]

2011/5/22 Stan Halpin :
>
> Note that this is all speculation as I have no iPad. I've done something 
> similar to the above using my laptop, but it seems that the iPad would be a 
> better device for sharing photos with others.

I'd rather wait for an Android tablet that runs the next OS after
honeycomb, codename I believe Ice Cream Waffle or something similarly
stupid. By that time someone will have one in the market with dust
seals and gorilla glass, too. (like the Motorola Defy in the
smartphone market, brilliant job, that one). The iPad is nice and all
but why buy a device that needs a 40$ non-SDXC-compatible adaptor to
read SD** cards and has no USB or multitasking? Sure I like mine but
that thing has chastity belt written all over it...
Cheers
Ecke

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Re: Essential Kit

[Stan Halpin]

On May 22, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Ecke PDML wrote:

> 2011/5/21 Stan Halpin :
>> 
>>  Hyperdrive makes these. http://www.hypershop.com/HyperDrive-s/119.htm
>> A shell costs $99. Install the drive of your choice, up to 1TB. Internal 
>> rechargeable battery with good capacity. One version will serve as an 
>> external drive (of sorts) for the iPad, so you can dump your SD cards to the 
>> Hyperdrive, then move the images to the iPad for minor editing and display 
>> (e.g., to share with your fellow travelers or with the villagers you are 
>> living with.) If you have enough cards, don't reuse them.  The Hyperdrive 
>> provides a primary back-up and the iPad provides a secondary backup.
> 
> alternatively there is the seagate goflex satellite wireless hard disk
> for iPad now. and the airstash but it has bad reviews.
> 
> -

What I was envisioning was as follows:
1. Capture many good images.
2. Have enough SDHC cards along that you needn't reuse them.
3. Download the images to a Hyperdrive via its card-reader slots.
a. Connect the Hyperdrive to your iPad
b Transfer the best of the images for 
b(i) showing to others involved in the trip
b(ii) secondary backup
4. On returning home, connect the Hyperdrive as a USB external drive to your 
home computer
a. transfer files and go on from there.
b. if there are any problems, then go back to the SDHC cards, download 
from those.

So, to fit this workflow, my portable drive needs to have the SDHC-reader 
capability, needs to serve as a USB drive back home, and needs to connect to my 
iPad in the field.
Note that this is all speculation as I have no iPad. I've done something 
similar to the above using my laptop, but it seems that the iPad would be a 
better device for sharing photos with others.

stan
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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-22 08:17 , Ecke PDML wrote:

dual memory card slot PDAs
are no longer made though AFAIK =(


not that i would recommend it, but the Superpad (an Android tablet) has 
two mini-SD slots; but really all you'd need (IMO) would be an SD slot 
and a USB jack, or two USB jacks


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Re: Essential Kit

[Doug Franklin]

On 2011-05-22 10:30, Ecke PDML wrote:

2011/5/21 Stan Halpin:


  Hyperdrive makes these. http://www.hypershop.com/HyperDrive-s/119.htm
A shell costs $99. Install the drive of your choice, up to 1TB. Internal 
rechargeable battery with good capacity. One version will serve as an external 
drive (of sorts) for the iPad, so you can dump your SD cards to the Hyperdrive, 
then move the images to the iPad for minor editing and display (e.g., to share 
with your fellow travelers or with the villagers you are living with.) If you 
have enough cards, don't reuse them.  The Hyperdrive provides a primary back-up 
and the iPad provides a secondary backup.


alternatively there is the seagate goflex satellite wireless hard disk
for iPad now. and the airstash but it has bad reviews.


The Hyperdrive and the dohickey I have don't need a computer.  They have 
their own user interface in the device, and you can pop a memory card 
into them and upload it to the hard drive in the device without needing 
a computer at all.


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Re: Essential Kit

[Ecke PDML]

2011/5/21 Stan Halpin :
>
>  Hyperdrive makes these. http://www.hypershop.com/HyperDrive-s/119.htm
> A shell costs $99. Install the drive of your choice, up to 1TB. Internal 
> rechargeable battery with good capacity. One version will serve as an 
> external drive (of sorts) for the iPad, so you can dump your SD cards to the 
> Hyperdrive, then move the images to the iPad for minor editing and display 
> (e.g., to share with your fellow travelers or with the villagers you are 
> living with.) If you have enough cards, don't reuse them.  The Hyperdrive 
> provides a primary back-up and the iPad provides a secondary backup.

alternatively there is the seagate goflex satellite wireless hard disk
for iPad now. and the airstash but it has bad reviews.

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Re: Essential Kit

[Ecke PDML]

2011/5/19 Doug Franklin :
>
> I don't know if anyone still makes such a device.  I have enough memory
> cards that I can last for a day in the fastest shooting situations, and
> that's all I need these days.

before it died - and when memory cards were smaller - I used my HP
ipaq hx4700 (aka hx4705 in the US afaik) for backup. it has an SD slot
up to 2 GB and a CF slot up to 4 GB. big enough given I was shooting 6
MP jpegs at the time. also I had a bluetooth GPS receiver and
TinyStocks Navio for track logging with timestamped csv export so I
had the (never used) option to geotag... dual memory card slot PDAs
are no longer made though AFAIK =(

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Re: Subject: Re: Essential Kit

[John Francis]

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 12:37:45PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
>
> In other threads I've read that when you're shooting RAW, the camera
> produces a JPEG for the LCD; that you're always viewing a JPEG on
> the LCD.
>
> Is that JPEG somehow stored inside the PEF file or does the camera
> create the JPEG on the fly every time you use the LCD to view an
> image irregardless the format you're shooting?

It's stored in the PEF file (and in a JPEG file, and in a DNG file, 
and on the *ist-D it was stored in the TIFF file as well). That's in
addition to the small thumbnail JPEG image that is probably used for
the usual LCD display; the extra JPEG is used when viewing zoomed-in.
 
The camera review software doesn't want to have to deal with all the
different formats, or spend the time necessary to read all the data
back from the card, convert them to JPEG, downsample appropriately,
and display - that would make image review unbearably slow.

> I do know when you shoot RAW+JPEG you get two separate files on the card.

Yep.  And each of those contains a small thumbnail image and a low-
quality full-resolution JPEG. 


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RE: Essential Kit

[John Sessoms]

From: "Bob W"


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>
> Interesting.  How's the chicken salad at the KGB canteen?

the swan flies to Minsk at midnight.




The pearl is in the liver.


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Re: Subject: Re: Essential Kit

[John Sessoms]

From: steve harley

On 2011-05-20 12:45 , John Sessoms wrote:

> Does the camera produce a separate JPEG to display on the LCD when
> you're shooting with the camera's file format set to JPEG?

no, it only produces the files you can see on the card



In other threads I've read that when you're shooting RAW, the camera 
produces a JPEG for the LCD; that you're always viewing a JPEG on the LCD.


Is that JPEG somehow stored inside the PEF file or does the camera 
create the JPEG on the fly every time you use the LCD to view an image 
irregardless the format you're shooting?


Or something different altogether?

I do know when you shoot RAW+JPEG you get two separate files on the card.


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Re: Essential Kit

[mike wilson]

On 21/05/2011 11:19, Bob W wrote:




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Interesting.  How's the chicken salad at the KGB canteen?


the swan flies to Minsk at midnight.


Minsk? Midnight?  Boy, am I in the wrong place.




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On 20/05/2011 16:30, John Sessoms wrote:

From: mike wilson


On 19/05/2011 21:55, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

My bag has a built-in card pocket that holds eight cards. 8 times

1000

exposures per 16G card means it holds enough cards to cover two

to

three years of average shooting need ... and if I lose the bag

(which

always has my gear in it) I'm gonna be bummed anyway. ;-)


I've lost (had stolen) gear and was always more bummed about the
undeveloped film in it.


I've never gotten stolen items back, but I have had *lost* gear

returned

to me because I had my contact information inside the case.


I once left my monopod in the KGB canteen in the Kremlin.  It was still
there when I went back for it.








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Re: Essential Kit

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On 21/05/2011 03:34, drd1...@gmail.com wrote:

Interesting.  How's the chicken salad at the KGB canteen?


If I told you, I'd have to kill you.


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On 20/05/2011 16:30, John Sessoms wrote:

From: mike wilson


On 19/05/2011 21:55, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

My bag has a built-in card pocket that holds eight cards. 8 times 1000
exposures per 16G card means it holds enough cards to cover two to
three years of average shooting need ... and if I lose the bag (which
always has my gear in it) I'm gonna be bummed anyway. ;-)


I've lost (had stolen) gear and was always more bummed about the
undeveloped film in it.


I've never gotten stolen items back, but I have had *lost* gear returned
to me because I had my contact information inside the case.


I once left my monopod in the KGB canteen in the Kremlin.  It was still
there when I went back for it.




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RE: Essential Kit

[Bob W]

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> 
> Interesting.  How's the chicken salad at the KGB canteen?

the swan flies to Minsk at midnight.


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> On 20/05/2011 16:30, John Sessoms wrote:
> > From: mike wilson
> >
> >> On 19/05/2011 21:55, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> >>> > My bag has a built-in card pocket that holds eight cards. 8 times
> 1000
> >>> > exposures per 16G card means it holds enough cards to cover two
> to
> >>> > three years of average shooting need ... and if I lose the bag
> (which
> >>> > always has my gear in it) I'm gonna be bummed anyway. ;-)
> >>
> >> I've lost (had stolen) gear and was always more bummed about the
> >> undeveloped film in it.
> >
> > I've never gotten stolen items back, but I have had *lost* gear
> returned
> > to me because I had my contact information inside the case.
> 
> I once left my monopod in the KGB canteen in the Kremlin.  It was still
> there when I went back for it.




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Re: Essential Kit

[Stan Halpin]

On May 19, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:

> On 2011-05-19 0:38, steve harley wrote:
>> On 2011-05-18 21:49 , Doug Franklin wrote:
>>> On 2011-05-18 17:54, John Sessoms wrote:
>>> 
 I'm trying to think how to streamline my operation in case opportunity
 should knock again.
>>> 
>>> Most bulk storage mechanisms are going to cost you in power and mass
>>> more than a few dozen SD cards.
>> 
>> to me the key would be backups -- is there a small device available that
>> will duplicate SD cards? alternatively a sat-data link to cloud storage,
>> but i bet that would cost more
> 
> I have a dohickey that I found a few years ago.  It's a USB 1.0 (that's how 
> old it is) external hard drive and memory card interface that's powered over 
> USB when you plug it in to the computer.
> 
> When it's not plugged in to the computer, it has internal rechargeable 
> batteries for power.  It also has a user interface that allows you to plug in 
> a memory card and copy its contents to the hard drive.  Then you can upload 
> all of them at once when you next hook up to the computer.
> 
> The problem with this particular device was power consumption versus battery 
> capacity.  That seems a solvable problem, but it might require a larger 
> device.
> 
> I don't know if anyone still makes such a device.  I have enough memory cards 
> that I can last for a day in the fastest shooting situations, and that's all 
> I need these days.
> 

 Hyperdrive makes these. http://www.hypershop.com/HyperDrive-s/119.htm 
A shell costs $99. Install the drive of your choice, up to 1TB. Internal 
rechargeable battery with good capacity. One version will serve as an external 
drive (of sorts) for the iPad, so you can dump your SD cards to the Hyperdrive, 
then move the images to the iPad for minor editing and display (e.g., to share 
with your fellow travelers or with the villagers you are living with.) If you 
have enough cards, don't reuse them.  The Hyperdrive provides a primary back-up 
and the iPad provides a secondary backup. 

stan


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Re: Subject: Re: Essential Kit

[John Francis]

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 02:45:31PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
> Point that might be missing here is I was not shooting RAW during my
> internship. They wanted "JPEG High" images & I saw no reason to
> shoot RAW and have to go through a conversion step, so I reset the
> K10D to JPEG High for the duration. (Kept the K20D set to RAW for my
> own use during that period).
> 
> Does the camera produce a separate JPEG to display on the LCD when
> you're shooting with the camera's file format set to JPEG?

Not in a separate file, no. But there's always a (very low quality)
JPEG image embedded in the RAW file.  (And also in all those other
JPEG images, for that matter - it's in the Manufacturer Private tag).

That's what it uses for review on the rear LCD. It also appears to be
what is used for the histograms displayed there, too.


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Re: Essential Kit

[drd1135]

Interesting.  How's the chicken salad at the KGB canteen?  
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On 20/05/2011 16:30, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: mike wilson
>
>> On 19/05/2011 21:55, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> > My bag has a built-in card pocket that holds eight cards. 8 times 1000
>>> > exposures per 16G card means it holds enough cards to cover two to
>>> > three years of average shooting need ... and if I lose the bag (which
>>> > always has my gear in it) I'm gonna be bummed anyway. ;-)
>>
>> I've lost (had stolen) gear and was always more bummed about the
>> undeveloped film in it.
>
> I've never gotten stolen items back, but I have had *lost* gear returned
> to me because I had my contact information inside the case.

I once left my monopod in the KGB canteen in the Kremlin.  It was still 
there when I went back for it.

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Re: Essential Kit

[mike wilson]

On 20/05/2011 16:30, John Sessoms wrote:

From: mike wilson


On 19/05/2011 21:55, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> My bag has a built-in card pocket that holds eight cards. 8 times 1000
> exposures per 16G card means it holds enough cards to cover two to
> three years of average shooting need ... and if I lose the bag (which
> always has my gear in it) I'm gonna be bummed anyway. ;-)


I've lost (had stolen) gear and was always more bummed about the
undeveloped film in it.


I've never gotten stolen items back, but I have had *lost* gear returned
to me because I had my contact information inside the case.


I once left my monopod in the KGB canteen in the Kremlin.  It was still 
there when I went back for it.


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Re: Subject: Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-20 12:45 , John Sessoms wrote:

Does the camera produce a separate JPEG to display on the LCD when
you're shooting with the camera's file format set to JPEG?


no, it only produces the files you can see on the card

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Re: Subject: Re: Essential Kit

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On 2011-05-20 07:17 , John Sessoms wrote:

From: steve harley

On 2011-05-19 07:52 , John Sessoms wrote:

> One drawback of that is the camera will probably not display the
images
> written to the card by the computer. During my internship, I tried
> something similar with the K10D. I had no thumb drive with me when I
> needed to transfer a JPEG from my laptop to another computer. Both
have
> built in card readers.

it works fine if you mirror the folder structure exactly


I'm not so sure. The JPEG was copied into the existing folder that the
camera had created on the card. The camera just showed "Cannot Display
Image" on the LCD when it got to that JPEG.


well i shoot DNG, but i can successfully mirror the files and folders on 
one card to another, pop it into my K200d, and it works just like the 
original card; your experience with the JPEGs sounds like a different 
circumstance from the basic idea of cloning SD cards


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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-19 23:07 , Sandy Harris wrote:

Make three CDs at different shops. One
in his pack, one in hers, one mailed home.

Not much weight&  not much money.

Today, you'd use DVDs and 4 gig cards.


i see this as confirmation that duping SD cards would be a useful 
approach -- in quantity you can do better than $10 for 8GB cards (you 
don't need the fastest cards); copying to DVD might (or might not) be a 
bit less expensive, but would be less reliable, bulkier, more expensive 
to ship, and you'd have to find a service to do it



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Re: Subject: Re: Essential Kit

[John Sessoms]

Point that might be missing here is I was not shooting RAW during my 
internship. They wanted "JPEG High" images & I saw no reason to shoot 
RAW and have to go through a conversion step, so I reset the K10D to 
JPEG High for the duration. (Kept the K20D set to RAW for my own use 
during that period).


Does the camera produce a separate JPEG to display on the LCD when 
you're shooting with the camera's file format set to JPEG?


From: John Francis


Not so much "tiny" (it's at full resolution, IIRC), but highly compressed.
I can't remember now if that's in the "private data" tag.  But even if the
preview image *is* in the file, if it isn't in same position relative to
the actual image that could be enough to make the camera unhappy; I rather
doubt that the firmware slavishly follows image tags to get to data offsets
that are going to point to data in a "known" place.

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:20:13AM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Doesn't the camera prepare a tiny little picture for the back display
> at the same time it writes the jpeg?
> I don't think your computer would do the same.
> Is John Francis our file layout maven?  He may know.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> > From: steve harley

> >>
> >> On 2011-05-19 07:52 , John Sessoms wrote:

> >>>

> >>> > One drawback of that is the camera will probably not display the images
> >>> > written to the card by the computer. During my internship, I tried
> >>> > something similar with the K10D. I had no thumb drive with me when I
> >>> > needed to transfer a JPEG from my laptop to another computer. Both have
> >>> > built in card readers.

> >>
> >> it works fine if you mirror the folder structure exactly

> >
> > I'm not so sure. The JPEG was copied into the existing folder that the
> > camera had created on the card. The camera just showed "Cannot Display
> > Image" on the LCD when it got to that JPEG.
> >



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Re: Subject: Re: Essential Kit

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From: John Francis

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 09:17:43AM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: steve harley

> >On 2011-05-19 07:52 , John Sessoms wrote:

> >>> One drawback of that is the camera will probably not display the images
> >>> written to the card by the computer. During my internship, I tried
> >>> something similar with the K10D. I had no thumb drive with me when I
> >>> needed to transfer a JPEG from my laptop to another computer. Both have
> >>> built in card readers.

> >it works fine if you mirror the folder structure exactly

>
> I'm not so sure. The JPEG was copied into the existing folder that
> the camera had created on the card. The camera just showed "Cannot
> Display Image" on the LCD when it got to that JPEG.

But it had been edited in some way, no?  So the JPEG format might have
not been an exact match, or there might have been some EXIF data missing
or in other way different. The editing software might have added a field,
changed a date, or just about anything else.  It could even be something
as minor as a slight change in the order of tags and data sections.



That was my point. Any time you edit something and put it back on the 
card, even if you put it back in the same folder, the edited photo is 
going to differ in some way from the camera's original format. And 
because it's different, the camera won't display it.


But it didn't mess up the card, and it didn't mess up the camera ... 
didn't even mess up the original that was on the card. Those would all 
still display on the camera LCD.


It just wouldn't display that one edited photo on the camera LCD.




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Re: Subject: Re: Essential Kit

[John Francis]

Not so much "tiny" (it's at full resolution, IIRC), but highly compressed.
I can't remember now if that's in the "private data" tag.  But even if the
preview image *is* in the file, if it isn't in same position relative to
the actual image that could be enough to make the camera unhappy; I rather
doubt that the firmware slavishly follows image tags to get to data offsets
that are going to point to data in a "known" place.

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:20:13AM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Doesn't the camera prepare a tiny little picture for the back display
> at the same time it writes the jpeg?
> I don't think your computer would do the same.
> Is John Francis our file layout maven?  He may know.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> > From: steve harley
> >>
> >> On 2011-05-19 07:52 , John Sessoms wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > One drawback of that is the camera will probably not display the images
> >>> > written to the card by the computer. During my internship, I tried
> >>> > something similar with the K10D. I had no thumb drive with me when I
> >>> > needed to transfer a JPEG from my laptop to another computer. Both have
> >>> > built in card readers.
> >>
> >> it works fine if you mirror the folder structure exactly
> >
> > I'm not so sure. The JPEG was copied into the existing folder that the
> > camera had created on the card. The camera just showed "Cannot Display
> > Image" on the LCD when it got to that JPEG.
> >
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Re: Subject: Re: Essential Kit

[John Francis]

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 09:17:43AM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: steve harley
> >On 2011-05-19 07:52 , John Sessoms wrote:
> >>> One drawback of that is the camera will probably not display the images
> >>> written to the card by the computer. During my internship, I tried
> >>> something similar with the K10D. I had no thumb drive with me when I
> >>> needed to transfer a JPEG from my laptop to another computer. Both have
> >>> built in card readers.
> >it works fine if you mirror the folder structure exactly
> 
> I'm not so sure. The JPEG was copied into the existing folder that
> the camera had created on the card. The camera just showed "Cannot
> Display Image" on the LCD when it got to that JPEG.

But it had been edited in some way, no?  So the JPEG format might have
not been an exact match, or there might have been some EXIF data missing
or in other way different. The editing software might have added a field,
changed a date, or just about anything else.  It could even be something
as minor as a slight change in the order of tags and data sections.


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Re: Subject: Re: Essential Kit

[Bob Sullivan]

Doesn't the camera prepare a tiny little picture for the back display
at the same time it writes the jpeg?
I don't think your computer would do the same.
Is John Francis our file layout maven?  He may know.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: steve harley
>>
>> On 2011-05-19 07:52 , John Sessoms wrote:
>>>
>>> > One drawback of that is the camera will probably not display the images
>>> > written to the card by the computer. During my internship, I tried
>>> > something similar with the K10D. I had no thumb drive with me when I
>>> > needed to transfer a JPEG from my laptop to another computer. Both have
>>> > built in card readers.
>>
>> it works fine if you mirror the folder structure exactly
>
> I'm not so sure. The JPEG was copied into the existing folder that the
> camera had created on the card. The camera just showed "Cannot Display
> Image" on the LCD when it got to that JPEG.
>
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Re: Essential Kit

[John Sessoms]

From: mike wilson


On 19/05/2011 21:55, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> My bag has a built-in card pocket that holds eight cards. 8 times 1000
> exposures per 16G card means it holds enough cards to cover two to
> three years of average shooting need ... and if I lose the bag (which
> always has my gear in it) I'm gonna be bummed anyway. ;-)


I've lost (had stolen) gear and was always more bummed about the
undeveloped film in it.


I've never gotten stolen items back, but I have had *lost* gear returned 
to me because I had my contact information inside the case.



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Re: Essential Kit

[John Sessoms]

From: mike wilson

On 19/05/2011 20:47, Bob W wrote:


> I keep the cards in Pelican card cases similar to this:
> 
>
> They're expensive, but worth it.

Except the words eggs and basket keep floating into my mind.  Granted,
it is bigger than the card by itself but that only reduces the risk of
losing it.  If you do, you lose eight times as many pictures.  I have
been using something like this:

But configured to carry four AA cells and one card in an inner case.
Just as difficult to lose as the Pelican case but only one card if
(when...) I do.


I think I'm the one who mentioned 8GB cards. I'm not so worried about 
losing a card as I am not having enough cards with enough storage along 
with me. The same argument could have been made against the 4GB cards. I 
originally settled on them because 1GB cards got hard to find, and all 
the images from a 2GB card wouldn't fit on one CD. The 4GB cards were 
just right for backing up to DVD.


Of course, that scheme kind of breaks down for the 8GB cards, but I'm no 
longer planning on carrying a stack of blank DVDs for backup when I've 
got that 250GB USB hard drive.


I keep spare cards in the slot inside the battery grip and my additional 
cards go into this:


http://www.thinktankphoto.com/products/pixel-pocket-rocket-memory-card-holder.aspx

Bonus: The photo to the lower right shows what I'm trying to avoid.

The clear plastic window can display a business card, although I 
currently use it to carry a USB card reader. My experience is that most 
people are reasonably honest and will try to contact you if they find 
your card pouch.


The card reader I carry in the pouch is like this one:

http://images.highspeedbackbone.net/skuimages/large/M501-1150-main2.jpg

Less than $5.00. If the reader in my laptop goes bad it's going to be a 
PITA (and expensive) to replace. This I can just throw away and get 
another one.


Plus, it will work with Windoze and Mac so if I'm in another situation 
where I'm sharing someone elses' computer I don't have to worry about 
compatibility.



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Subject: Re: Essential Kit

[John Sessoms]

From: steve harley

On 2011-05-19 07:52 , John Sessoms wrote:

> One drawback of that is the camera will probably not display the images
> written to the card by the computer. During my internship, I tried
> something similar with the K10D. I had no thumb drive with me when I
> needed to transfer a JPEG from my laptop to another computer. Both have
> built in card readers.

it works fine if you mirror the folder structure exactly


I'm not so sure. The JPEG was copied into the existing folder that the 
camera had created on the card. The camera just showed "Cannot Display 
Image" on the LCD when it got to that JPEG.



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Re: Essential Kit

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I keep the cards in Pelican card cases similar to this:




hmmm, might look for one of those.  Thanks for posting!  Cheers, Christine

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Re: Essential Kit

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On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:27 AM, Bob W  wrote:

>> mike wilson
>
>> > I keep the cards in Pelican card cases similar to this:
>> > 
>> >
>> > They're expensive, but worth it.
>>
>> Except the words eggs and basket keep floating into my mind.
>
> you can't avoid that if you're travelling light, unless you can find a way
> of putting the pictures online. The best you can do is minimise it.

A while back, with 512 MB cards, a feasible solution was to find
local shops that would copy files to CD. These are common even
in Back-of-beyond-istan .Make three CDs at different shops. One
in his pack, one in hers, one mailed home.

Not much weight & not much money.

Today, you'd use DVDs and 4 gig cards.

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Re: Essential Kit

[Boris Liberman]

On 5/19/2011 21:47, Bob W wrote:

...If you buy enough SD, CF,
whatever cards, you should be able to have 2 copies of each picture and not
have to reformat your SD cards.

...I personally prefer not to because you risk losing so many
photographs if you lose that one card...


That's an interesting perspective, Bob.

Previously when I traveled I had a card reader/hard drive combo and made 
two copies of each shoot on that device. Then I "upgraded" to mini 
laptop which again I used to make two copies of each shoot. These days I 
bought simple external HDD (320 GB is huge for how and what I shoot) so 
that next time I plan to take both a laptop and the external HDD so that 
I can make two copies of each shoot but on physically different devices.


I have only minimal number of memory cards though. The biggest are of 
8GB capacity which I am yet to exhaust in one day of shooting.


Admittedly all my travels were such that in the evening I had a roof 
above me and some electrons to recycle in the walls that supported that 
roof.


Boris


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Re: Essential Kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Thursday, May 19, 2011, Bob W  wrote:
> you can't avoid that if you're travelling light, unless you can find a way
> of putting the pictures online. The best you can do is minimise it.
>

Exactly.  A variant of the iPad strategy would be to roll in the
photos and shunt them to a private set on flickr or similar on line
storage. But it takes a lot of time and a good connection.

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RE: Essential Kit

[Bob W]

> mike wilson

> > I keep the cards in Pelican card cases similar to this:
> > 
> >
> > They're expensive, but worth it.
> 
> Except the words eggs and basket keep floating into my mind.  

you can't avoid that if you're travelling light, unless you can find a way
of putting the pictures online. The best you can do is minimise it.

B


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Re: Essential Kit

[mike wilson]

On 19/05/2011 21:55, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

My bag has a built-in card pocket that holds eight cards. 8 times 1000
exposures per 16G card means it holds enough cards to cover two to
three years of average shooting need ... and if I lose the bag (which
always has my gear in it) I'm gonna be bummed anyway. ;-)



I've lost (had stolen) gear and was always more bummed about the 
undeveloped film in it.


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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-19 12:47 , Bob W wrote:

[steve wrote:]

what i was imagining was a much smaller, lower-power
device to simply duplicate from one SD card to another [...]


that's an interesting idea, but I suspect you're out of luck. Smart devices
are becoming small enough and have enough capacity to make something like
that too specialised.


true; however they are still in completely different price (and size) 
range from the SD card duplication options i've now found, and they lose 
some of the minimalist appeal; i would consider bringing an iPad instead 
of my laptop, since it has a great display, however it would be less 
minimal than my vision




I have a hard drive which you can plug various types
of card into and it automatically copies them.


yes, i see there are now versions of these with solid state drives, and 
even small displays




Referring back to one of your other replies, you mentioned that you used 8Gb
cards. I personally prefer not to because you risk losing so many
photographs if you lose that one card.


i generally download from the card nightly, whether it's full or not; 
and when i'm traveling i don't delete the images from the cards unless 
i'm in a pinch


but it occurs to me i could get a similar protective effect as smaller 
cards by switching cards mid-shoot (since i usually fill less than half 
an 8GB card in a day)




I keep the cards in Pelican card cases similar to this:



yeah, i have a Gepe card safe extreme i found at a thrift store, it's a 
bit bulky since it also fits CF cards, so i don't use it except when 
traveling



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Re: Essential Kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

My bag has a built-in card pocket that holds eight cards. 8 times 1000
exposures per 16G card means it holds enough cards to cover two to
three years of average shooting need ... and if I lose the bag (which
always has my gear in it) I'm gonna be bummed anyway. ;-)
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Re: Essential Kit

[mike wilson]

On 19/05/2011 20:47, Bob W wrote:


I keep the cards in Pelican card cases similar to this:


They're expensive, but worth it.


Except the words eggs and basket keep floating into my mind.  Granted, 
it is bigger than the card by itself but that only reduces the risk of 
losing it.  If you do, you lose eight times as many pictures.  I have 
been using something like this:


But configured to carry four AA cells and one card in an inner case. 
Just as difficult to lose as the Pelican case but only one card if 
(when...) I do.


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Re: Essential Kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

If I wanted to go very light and still have some computing power for
image review, I would use the iPad and camera connection kit as a
travel backup device. My 64G iPad normally has over 40G of empty space
on it and can read all my Olympus .ORF and Ricoh .DNG raw files. I can
even edit them to some degree with apps like Photogene and Photopad,
and Photosmith lets import, sort, grade and add annotation which then
links directly to Lightroom.

Obviously, this solution only works until the point where you run out
of storage space then you must have a computer to move all the data to
some other storage device. 32G of card storage in the E-5 nets about
2100 raw exposures, or about 1800 GXR exposures ... that's generally
more than I need for a three week long trip unless I have specific
assignments to cover that are going to need a lot more study.
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RE: Essential Kit

[Bob W]

> 
> yeah, i've heard of hard drives with card slots that automate copying
> to
> the hard drive; what i was imagining was a much smaller, lower-power
> device to simply duplicate from one SD card to another, thinking this
> would have several advantages for backups (including the fact that you
> could send the duped SD cards home, view them in the camera, replenish
> them if necessary for more backup space ...
> 
> currently i usually travel with my 13" laptop, in part so i can back up
> and review photos, but it is too cumbersome for some types of trips
> 

that's an interesting idea, but I suspect you're out of luck. Smart devices
are becoming small enough and have enough capacity to make something like
that too specialised. I have a hard drive which you can plug various types
of card into and it automatically copies them. If you buy enough SD, CF,
whatever cards, you should be able to have 2 copies of each picture and not
have to reformat your SD cards.

Referring back to one of your other replies, you mentioned that you used 8Gb
cards. I personally prefer not to because you risk losing so many
photographs if you lose that one card. When I was shooting film I found that
I would shoot at most 6-10 rolls per day on a trip, usually fewer, so having
enough smaller cards with that sort of capacity is what I aim for now, so
that at the end of each day I can copy the card relatively quickly and put
it somewhere safe.

I keep the cards in Pelican card cases similar to this:


They're expensive, but worth it.

B


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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-19 07:52 , John Sessoms wrote:

One drawback of that is the camera will probably not display the images
written to the card by the computer. During my internship, I tried
something similar with the K10D. I had no thumb drive with me when I
needed to transfer a JPEG from my laptop to another computer. Both have
built in card readers.


it works fine if you mirror the folder structure exactly

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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-19 11:01 , they whom i call myself wrote:

 what i was imagining was a much smaller, lower-power
device to simply duplicate from one SD card to another,


i found a few solutions, none of them confidence-inspiring; this is 
conceptually exactly what i was thinking of:





and this seems like it could do it along with a pair of USB-SD adapters:




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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-19 07:10 , Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2011-05-19 0:38, steve harley wrote:

to me the key would be backups -- is there a small device available that
will duplicate SD cards? alternatively a sat-data link to cloud storage,
but i bet that would cost more


I have a dohickey that I found a few years ago. It's a USB 1.0 (that's
how old it is) external hard drive and memory card interface that's
powered over USB when you plug it in to the computer.


yeah, i've heard of hard drives with card slots that automate copying to 
the hard drive; what i was imagining was a much smaller, lower-power 
device to simply duplicate from one SD card to another, thinking this 
would have several advantages for backups (including the fact that you 
could send the duped SD cards home, view them in the camera, replenish 
them if necessary for more backup space ...


currently i usually travel with my 13" laptop, in part so i can back up 
and review photos, but it is too cumbersome for some types of trips


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Re: Essential Kit

[John Francis]

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 09:52:50AM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
> 
> One drawback of that is the camera will probably not display the
> images written to the card by the computer. During my internship, I
> tried something similar with the K10D. I had no thumb drive with me
> when I needed to transfer a JPEG from my laptop to another computer.
> Both have built in card readers.
> 
> I copied the JPEG to the spare SDHC from the battery grip. The JPEG
> in question was originally taken with the K10D, but I had to correct
> something with Photoshop (replace closed eyes).
> 
> On a lark I put that card into the camera after making the transfer.
> It would display the other images on the card taken with the K10D
> before I copied the JPEG. It would even display images I took after
> writing to the card with the computer, but it would not display the
> one image written to the card by the computer.

Most cameras are very picky.  Unless the image is saved in exactly
the right format (not just JPEG - there are options like progressive
or interlaced as well), and in a directory structure that exactly
matches how the camera writes to the disk, it won't find the image.
Computers are a lot more flexible in that regard.




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Re: Essential Kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The Oly E-5 has a CF slot and an SD slot. On the road, it's easy to
capture to the SD slot, use that with the built in SD slot in my
laptop, or the camera connection kit with the iPad, and the copy it to
a CF card in-camera for original backup. It can't write to both
simultaneous, but it's good enough.

On Thursday, May 19, 2011, Doug Franklin  wrote:
> On 2011-05-19 0:38, steve harley wrote:
>
> On 2011-05-18 21:49 , Doug Franklin wrote:
>
> On 2011-05-18 17:54, John Sessoms wrote:
>
>
> I'm trying to think how to streamline my operation in case opportunity
> should knock again.
>
>
> Most bulk storage mechanisms are going to cost you in power and mass
> more than a few dozen SD cards.
>
>
> to me the key would be backups -- is there a small device available that
> will duplicate SD cards? alternatively a sat-data link to cloud storage,
> but i bet that would cost more
>
>
> I have a dohickey that I found a few years ago.  It's a USB 1.0 (that's how 
> old it is) external hard drive and memory card interface that's powered over 
> USB when you plug it in to the computer.
>
> When it's not plugged in to the computer, it has internal rechargeable 
> batteries for power.  It also has a user interface that allows you to plug in 
> a memory card and copy its contents to the hard drive.  Then you can upload 
> all of them at once when you next hook up to the computer.
>
> The problem with this particular device was power consumption versus battery 
> capacity.  That seems a solvable problem, but it might require a larger 
> device.
>
> I don't know if anyone still makes such a device.  I have enough memory cards 
> that I can last for a day in the fastest shooting situations, and that's all 
> I need these days.
>
> --
> Thanks,d.
>

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Re: Essential Kit

[John Sessoms]

From: steve harley


On 2011-05-18 21:49 , Doug Franklin wrote:

> On 2011-05-18 17:54, John Sessoms wrote:
>

>> I'm trying to think how to streamline my operation in case opportunity
>> should knock again.

>
> Most bulk storage mechanisms are going to cost you in power and mass
> more than a few dozen SD cards.

to me the key would be backups -- is there a small device available that
will duplicate SD cards? alternatively a sat-data link to cloud storage,
but i bet that would cost more


One reason I asked for generic solutions rather than specific items is 
I'm hoping to figure out how to do as much as possible using my existing 
kit ...


But this does bring up an interesting tangent. Do I misremember that the 
645D has TWO SD card slots?


If so, can it write to both cards simultaneously? Instant backup?
Can it copy the contents of one card to another card?

The 645D is not really in my future I think, despite that I truly do 
lust after it. I'm afraid it will always remain one of the unfulfilled 
items on my bucket list.


OTOH,  many of the "Netbook" computers have built in "multi-media" 
readers that will take an SD card. I see no reason they couldn't write 
to one as well.


One drawback of that is the camera will probably not display the images 
written to the card by the computer. During my internship, I tried 
something similar with the K10D. I had no thumb drive with me when I 
needed to transfer a JPEG from my laptop to another computer. Both have 
built in card readers.


I copied the JPEG to the spare SDHC from the battery grip. The JPEG in 
question was originally taken with the K10D, but I had to correct 
something with Photoshop (replace closed eyes).


On a lark I put that card into the camera after making the transfer. It 
would display the other images on the card taken with the K10D before I 
copied the JPEG. It would even display images I took after writing to 
the card with the computer, but it would not display the one image 
written to the card by the computer.


In any case, it would probably make more sense just to download the card 
to the internal drive & back it up to something like the LaCie drive I 
already have. A 200GB USB drive is the same capacity as 25 8GB SDHC cards.


If I need to review the images, I could just use the Netbook.

On my recent trip to China, I carried the K20D with the K10D as backup. 
I have battery grips on both, along with one spare battery ... chargers, 
lenses, etc.


I carried 6 - 8GB SDHC & 10 - 4GB SDHC and a Mac formatted 250GB LaCie 
USB drive [1].


I had a commitment from several of my traveling companions to allow me 
to use their Macs if I needed to download the memory cards. I never 
needed to. I was still quite debilitated from my recent surgery, far 
sicker that I realized at the time, and I didn't shoot enough to use the 
full capacity of the 8GB cards I had with me. Although, at least part of 
that was I deliberately slowed my pace to accommodate a style necessary 
to shoot film with the LX.


I expect that had I been in better health I would have been more active 
as a photographer.


[1] I installed MacDrive on my laptop so I can read the Mac formatted 
LaCie drive. Seemed to be the simplest solution to some other problems I 
had synchronizing schoolwork between my own Windoze computers and the 
school's Mac systems.



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Re: Essential Kit

[Doug Franklin]

On 2011-05-19 0:38, steve harley wrote:

On 2011-05-18 21:49 , Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2011-05-18 17:54, John Sessoms wrote:


I'm trying to think how to streamline my operation in case opportunity
should knock again.


Most bulk storage mechanisms are going to cost you in power and mass
more than a few dozen SD cards.


to me the key would be backups -- is there a small device available that
will duplicate SD cards? alternatively a sat-data link to cloud storage,
but i bet that would cost more


I have a dohickey that I found a few years ago.  It's a USB 1.0 (that's 
how old it is) external hard drive and memory card interface that's 
powered over USB when you plug it in to the computer.


When it's not plugged in to the computer, it has internal rechargeable 
batteries for power.  It also has a user interface that allows you to 
plug in a memory card and copy its contents to the hard drive.  Then you 
can upload all of them at once when you next hook up to the computer.


The problem with this particular device was power consumption versus 
battery capacity.  That seems a solvable problem, but it might require a 
larger device.


I don't know if anyone still makes such a device.  I have enough memory 
cards that I can last for a day in the fastest shooting situations, and 
that's all I need these days.


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Re: Essential Kit

[steve harley]

On 2011-05-18 21:49 , Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2011-05-18 17:54, John Sessoms wrote:


I'm trying to think how to streamline my operation in case opportunity
should knock again.


Most bulk storage mechanisms are going to cost you in power and mass
more than a few dozen SD cards.


to me the key would be backups -- is there a small device available that 
will duplicate SD cards? alternatively a sat-data link to cloud storage, 
but i bet that would cost more


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Re: Essential Kit

[Doug Franklin]

On 2011-05-18 17:54, John Sessoms wrote:


I'm trying to think how to streamline my operation in case opportunity
should knock again.


Most bulk storage mechanisms are going to cost you in power and mass 
more than a few dozen SD cards.


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RE: Essential Kit

[John Sessoms]

From: "John Coyle"


I can relate to this after a trip to China back-packing.  Everything we took 
had to fit in
one large backpack (maximum weight 15kgs) and one (optional) small pack, often 
worn in
front.
My photo kit (in film days at the time) was
2 bodies
One 28-105 zoom, variable aperture
One normal lens, f1.7 for poor light occasions.
One 70-210 zoom, constant aperture
One hot-shoe flash.
Cable release, film picker, caps etc.

When not in use I carried the kit in the small pack, along with weather gear.  
For
shooting, the camera was around my neck with one lens fitted, the two lens not 
on the
camera and the flash fitted in a waist-pack.

Nowadays I would add spare batteries, spare cards, and  charger.  When 
travelling later
with a digital kit, I added a 40GB portable hard drive, to which I downloaded 
the day's
shots.
Both configurations worked well, I came back from China with 830 shots from 9 
days, and
from Egypt with 1650 from 21 days.

HTH


Thanks.

At least part of what prompted this is my dissatisfaction over how I 
handled my equipment during my recent China trip. Even though I tried to 
minimize the amount of baggage I was carrying (3 rather small bags), it 
became rather cumbersome at times.


I'm trying to think how to streamline my operation in case opportunity 
should knock again.





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Re: Essential Kit

[Sandy Harris]

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:16 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> Parameters are that you would be on the road for a minimum of thirty days
> for a photo safari. The goal of the trip is to produce photography suitable
> to illustrate a travel article you could sell to a newspaper or magazine
> along with the photography. It is important to be able to represent both the
> people and the scenery of the locale being visited.

Is there anything you really cannot do with the classic 35/90 travel kit?
Say the 21 Limited, which gives 30-odd mm equivalent view, and a
50 mm?

I'd say ideal lightweight kit would be 21 and 70 Limited and either
43 1.9 or 35 macro depending whether you need macro.

The A 35/70 zoom is also pretty compact, as are teleconverters
and the adapter that makes the 21 act like 14.

> Transportation is problematic. ...
>
> *ALL* of everything you are carrying - photo equipment, clothing and any
> other essentials must fit into one U.S. Government Issue duffel bag ...
>
> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Gium7tfpL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
>
> ... plus one *SMALL* carry on (22" x 14" x 9") bag.

I normally travel quite light. For anything up to about three weeks,
*only* a carry-on bag. For a month or more, one big wheeled bag
roughly the size of your duffel, but *no carry on*. I just do not
think having carry-on is worth the trouble.

Granted, on my rare trips back to Canada from China,
the duffel-ish bags gets stuffed with gifts for friends.
Last trip it was 35 kg (77 lb) or so, which is not
really travelling light.

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RE: Essential Kit

[John Coyle]

I can relate to this after a trip to China back-packing.  Everything we took 
had to fit in
one large backpack (maximum weight 15kgs) and one (optional) small pack, often 
worn in
front.
My photo kit (in film days at the time) was
2 bodies
One 28-105 zoom, variable aperture
One normal lens, f1.7 for poor light occasions.
One 70-210 zoom, constant aperture
One hot-shoe flash.
Cable release, film picker, caps etc.

When not in use I carried the kit in the small pack, along with weather gear.  
For
shooting, the camera was around my neck with one lens fitted, the two lens not 
on the
camera and the flash fitted in a waist-pack.

Nowadays I would add spare batteries, spare cards, and  charger.  When 
travelling later
with a digital kit, I added a 40GB portable hard drive, to which I downloaded 
the day's
shots.
Both configurations worked well, I came back from China with 830 shots from 9 
days, and
from Egypt with 1650 from 21 days.

HTH


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia





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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John 
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Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 6:16 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Essential Kit

This is, for now, only a thought experiment, but it might provide a basis for 
something I
will try to do in the future if I can work out the financing.

Parameters are that you would be on the road for a minimum of thirty days for a 
photo
safari. The goal of the trip is to produce photography suitable to illustrate a 
travel
article you could sell to a newspaper or magazine along with the photography. 
It is
important to be able to represent both the people and the scenery of the locale 
being
visited.

Transportation is problematic. Ground transportation may not be always 
available, and you
may not have any place to secure your baggage, so you may have to carry all of 
it with you
all of the time. Think in terms of you might have to carry your home on your 
back like a
turtle.

*ALL* of everything you are carrying - photo equipment, clothing and any other 
essentials
must fit into one U.S. Government Issue duffel bag ...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Gium7tfpL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

... plus one *SMALL* carry on (22" x 14" x 9") bag.

A suitable size ruck-sack could substitute for the duffel bag. I only suggest 
the issue
duffel as an example of the size of bag I'm interested in - I already have 
several of
them, they're easy to secure with a padlock & I have a steel security mesh that 
will fit
over it.

http://www.rei.com/product/709210/pacsafe-140-security-web-x-large

You will have erratic (at best) access to the internet during your travels.

I would appreciate some thoughts on what constitutes the *essential* kit. What 
will you
need to carry to get the job done?

I am more interested in general categories than I am in specific items; i.e. 
"good wide
angle zoom" as opposed to "SMC Pentax DA 12-24mm F4.0 ED AL (IF)", "Laptop" 
rather than
"Apple MacBook Pro", etc.

I have my own ideas already, but I would appreciate additional input that might 
identify
things I've missed in my preliminary planning.

This is partially based on my most recent trip. I had too much baggage and it 
was, at
times, unwieldy. And I found I did not have all the equipment I needed while I 
was
carrying other equipment I did not need at all.



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Re: Essential Kit

[John Sessoms]

Enough that I'll always have a clean pair to change into if needed. Same 
for socks.


From: Steven Desjardins


OK, but how many undies are you going to take?

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:24 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> Thanks to all who have replied so far.
>
> I've copied the responses to a document I can study and compare to what I'd
> already learned/planned/thought of, so that I can use it to refine "the
> plan".
>
> Still don't know if this is ever going to come off. Finances remain the
> largest constraint.
>
> Anyone else wants to chime in, I'll still be listening.



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Re: Essential Kit

[Steven Desjardins]

OK, but how many undies are you going to take?

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:24 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Thanks to all who have replied so far.
>
> I've copied the responses to a document I can study and compare to what I'd
> already learned/planned/thought of, so that I can use it to refine "the
> plan".
>
> Still don't know if this is ever going to come off. Finances remain the
> largest constraint.
>
> Anyone else wants to chime in, I'll still be listening.
>
>
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RE: Essential Kit

[John Sessoms]

Thanks to all who have replied so far.

I've copied the responses to a document I can study and compare to what 
I'd already learned/planned/thought of, so that I can use it to refine 
"the plan".


Still don't know if this is ever going to come off. Finances remain the 
largest constraint.


Anyone else wants to chime in, I'll still be listening.


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Re: Essential Kit

[Cotty]

On 16/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Clothing and such = 6 changes underwear,

Pfah. I carry double that.

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RE: Essential Kit

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Godfrey DiGiorgi
> 
> I'm on a long, rambling trip right now.

Mark!

Oh, and I forgot to mention in my original rambling reply: cleft sticks!

B

> 
> All of my luggage and gear is stored in a carryon sized rollaway bag
> and a Think Tank Photo Urban Disguise 35 v2 bag. I have FAR more
> camera equipment along than I really need .. matter of fact, I've done
> effectively *all* my shooting on this trip so far with just the Ricoh
> GXR and its A12 28mm (EFL) camera module. If I also had the A12 50mm
> (EFL) camera module, it would be all I needed for the photographic
> goals you mention, and I'd be carrying 1/8 the mass of photo gear.
> 
> My camera kit (which I've made a total of three exposures with) is the
> GXR+lens,  a pro SLR body, wide zoom, fast normal and portrait, long
> tele. Two batteries, a wallet of 4 to 16 G memory cards for both
> cameras. A charger for the batteries, a card reader and charger for
> the computer, the laptop, the iPad (and its charger). A portable hard
> drive. Lens blower and microfiber cloth.
> 
> Clothing and such = 6 changes underwear, 4 changes socks, 4 shirts, 2
> trousers, sturdy shoes, house slippers. Warm vest, rain shell jacket.
> The usual toiletries. A small day bag for carrying notebooks, pens,
> iPad, and a paperback book. Sunglasses and regular glasses.
> 
> As I say, give me the 28 and 50 lenses for the GXR and I could leave
> the rest of the camera equipment home for most travel work. A short
> portrait tele would be nice ...
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:16 PM, John Sessoms 
> wrote:
> > This is, for now, only a thought experiment, but it might provide a
> basis
> > for something I will try to do in the future if I can work out the
> > financing.
> >
> > Parameters are that you would be on the road for a minimum of thirty
> days
> > for a photo safari. The goal of the trip is to produce photography
> suitable
> > to illustrate a travel article you could sell to a newspaper or
> magazine
> > along with the photography. It is important to be able to represent
> both the
> > people and the scenery of the locale being visited.
> >
> > Transportation is problematic. Ground transportation may not be
> always
> > available, and you may not have any place to secure your baggage, so
> you may
> > have to carry all of it with you all of the time. Think in terms of
> you
> > might have to carry your home on your back like a turtle.
> >
> > *ALL* of everything you are carrying - photo equipment, clothing and
> any
> > other essentials must fit into one U.S. Government Issue duffel bag
> ...
> >
> > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Gium7tfpL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
> >
> > ... plus one *SMALL* carry on (22" x 14" x 9") bag.
> >
> > A suitable size ruck-sack could substitute for the duffel bag. I only
> > suggest the issue duffel as an example of the size of bag I'm
> interested in
> > - I already have several of them, they're easy to secure with a
> padlock & I
> > have a steel security mesh that will fit over it.
> >
> > http://www.rei.com/product/709210/pacsafe-140-security-web-x-large
> >
> > You will have erratic (at best) access to the internet during your
> travels.
> >
> > I would appreciate some thoughts on what constitutes the *essential*
> kit.
> > What will you need to carry to get the job done?
> >
> > I am more interested in general categories than I am in specific
> items; i.e.
> > "good wide angle zoom" as opposed to "SMC Pentax DA 12-24mm F4.0 ED
> AL
> > (IF)", "Laptop" rather than "Apple MacBook Pro", etc.
> >
> > I have my own ideas already, but I would appreciate additional input
> that
> > might identify things I've missed in my preliminary planning.
> >
> > This is partially based on my most recent trip. I had too much
> baggage and
> > it was, at times, unwieldy. And I found I did not have all the
> equipment I
> > needed while I was carrying other equipment I did not need at all.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Essential Kit

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'm on a long, rambling trip right now.

All of my luggage and gear is stored in a carryon sized rollaway bag
and a Think Tank Photo Urban Disguise 35 v2 bag. I have FAR more
camera equipment along than I really need .. matter of fact, I've done
effectively *all* my shooting on this trip so far with just the Ricoh
GXR and its A12 28mm (EFL) camera module. If I also had the A12 50mm
(EFL) camera module, it would be all I needed for the photographic
goals you mention, and I'd be carrying 1/8 the mass of photo gear.

My camera kit (which I've made a total of three exposures with) is the
GXR+lens,  a pro SLR body, wide zoom, fast normal and portrait, long
tele. Two batteries, a wallet of 4 to 16 G memory cards for both
cameras. A charger for the batteries, a card reader and charger for
the computer, the laptop, the iPad (and its charger). A portable hard
drive. Lens blower and microfiber cloth.

Clothing and such = 6 changes underwear, 4 changes socks, 4 shirts, 2
trousers, sturdy shoes, house slippers. Warm vest, rain shell jacket.
The usual toiletries. A small day bag for carrying notebooks, pens,
iPad, and a paperback book. Sunglasses and regular glasses.

As I say, give me the 28 and 50 lenses for the GXR and I could leave
the rest of the camera equipment home for most travel work. A short
portrait tele would be nice ...


On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:16 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> This is, for now, only a thought experiment, but it might provide a basis
> for something I will try to do in the future if I can work out the
> financing.
>
> Parameters are that you would be on the road for a minimum of thirty days
> for a photo safari. The goal of the trip is to produce photography suitable
> to illustrate a travel article you could sell to a newspaper or magazine
> along with the photography. It is important to be able to represent both the
> people and the scenery of the locale being visited.
>
> Transportation is problematic. Ground transportation may not be always
> available, and you may not have any place to secure your baggage, so you may
> have to carry all of it with you all of the time. Think in terms of you
> might have to carry your home on your back like a turtle.
>
> *ALL* of everything you are carrying - photo equipment, clothing and any
> other essentials must fit into one U.S. Government Issue duffel bag ...
>
> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Gium7tfpL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
>
> ... plus one *SMALL* carry on (22" x 14" x 9") bag.
>
> A suitable size ruck-sack could substitute for the duffel bag. I only
> suggest the issue duffel as an example of the size of bag I'm interested in
> - I already have several of them, they're easy to secure with a padlock & I
> have a steel security mesh that will fit over it.
>
> http://www.rei.com/product/709210/pacsafe-140-security-web-x-large
>
> You will have erratic (at best) access to the internet during your travels.
>
> I would appreciate some thoughts on what constitutes the *essential* kit.
> What will you need to carry to get the job done?
>
> I am more interested in general categories than I am in specific items; i.e.
> "good wide angle zoom" as opposed to "SMC Pentax DA 12-24mm F4.0 ED AL
> (IF)", "Laptop" rather than "Apple MacBook Pro", etc.
>
> I have my own ideas already, but I would appreciate additional input that
> might identify things I've missed in my preliminary planning.
>
> This is partially based on my most recent trip. I had too much baggage and
> it was, at times, unwieldy. And I found I did not have all the equipment I
> needed while I was carrying other equipment I did not need at all.
>
>
>
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Re: Essential Kit

[Paul Stenquist]

I like this list, but I'd make a couple of changes. I'd leave the primes home 
-- they're only slightly faster than the zooms, and with the noise levels of 
the K-5, totally unnecessary -- and I'd bring the DA* 60-250. I'd be lost 
without long glass in some situations. I do like Bob's suggestion of the 
Pelican 1550. That's my standard small-kit case, and replacing the fozm with 
clothes makes good sense.
Paul

On May 16, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

> 
> On May 16, 2011, at 4:16 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> 
>> This is, for now, only a thought experiment, but it might provide a basis 
>> for something I will try to do in the future if I can work out the financing.
>> 
>> Parameters are that you would be on the road for a minimum of thirty days 
>> for a photo safari. The goal of the trip is to produce photography suitable 
>> to illustrate a travel article you could sell to a newspaper or magazine 
>> along with the photography. It is important to be able to represent both the 
>> people and the scenery of the locale being visited.
>> . . .
>> I would appreciate some thoughts on what constitutes the *essential* kit. 
>> What will you need to carry to get the job done?
>> . . . on my most recent trip. I had too much baggage and it was, at times, 
>> unwieldy. And I found I did not have all the equipment I needed while I was 
>> carrying other equipment I did not need at all.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Some small variations on the suggestions offered by Bob W.:
> 
> a. Clothing. 
>   Wear the following
>   - mid-weight mid-height hiking boots
>   - socks
>   - underwear (optional)
>   - short-sleeve shirt
>   - long-sleeve shirt
>   - light jacket
>   - money belt
>   Pack the following in your camera-oriented backpack
>   - spare pair of socks
>   - spare underwear (optional)
>   - toothbrush etc.
>   - roll of TP
>   
> b. Camera gear.
>   In your hand, over the shoulder, or in a Domke-type shoulder bag.
>   - Primary body with battery grip
>   - Mid-range zoom (e.g., 16-50/2.8)
>   - Longer zoom (e.g., 50-135/2.8)
>   - monopod/walking stick
>   - credit cards
>   - passport
>   In your camera-oriented backpack
>   - Back-up camera body
>   - Moderate wide-angle (e.g., 21mm)
>   - Moderate long lens (e.g., 77mm)
>   - 3 spare batteries + charger
>   - 6-10 memory cards @16gb
>   - smallish laptop, charger
>   - card reader
>   - 1TB external disk drive
> 
> c. Optional
>   - photo vest
>   - hat, bandana and/or DoRag for sun protection
>   - macro lens
>   - flip flops for wear in really grungy showers
>   - swim suit
>   - medical kit with medicines (and appropriate prescriptions for 
> documentation) for stomach upset, etc. 
>   - 2x tele-extender compatible with the 50-135 zoom
> 
> The two zoom lenses will be all you need. The two primes are for lower-light, 
> less obtrusive strolls when you can leave most of your gear in a secure 
> location. They also provide backup if both of the zooms should fail for 
> whatever reasons. In fact, if I were trying to travel really light, I would 
> take just the 50-135 and the 21; these two would cover 95% of the likely 
> scenes. If you have a credit card and some cash, there is really no reason to 
> take spare clothing or a huge toiletry kit. 
> 
> Back when I was doing a lot of backpacking and then bicycle touring I found 
> many resources with suggestions on minimal-gear travel. The truly dedicated 
> will, for example, reduce the weight and size of their toothbrush by 
> judicious drilling and filing of the handle. Check sites catering to those 
> through-hiking the Appalachian Trail or doing a multi-month bike trip. You 
> could also check the web sites for those who run photo safaris in Africa 
> where there are often severe weight and size restrictions on the gear that 
> can be transported via small plane from one spot to another; their packing 
> lists might be useful.
> 
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Re: Essential Kit

[Stan Halpin]

On May 16, 2011, at 4:16 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> This is, for now, only a thought experiment, but it might provide a basis for 
> something I will try to do in the future if I can work out the financing.
> 
> Parameters are that you would be on the road for a minimum of thirty days for 
> a photo safari. The goal of the trip is to produce photography suitable to 
> illustrate a travel article you could sell to a newspaper or magazine along 
> with the photography. It is important to be able to represent both the people 
> and the scenery of the locale being visited.
> . . .
> I would appreciate some thoughts on what constitutes the *essential* kit. 
> What will you need to carry to get the job done?
> . . . on my most recent trip. I had too much baggage and it was, at times, 
> unwieldy. And I found I did not have all the equipment I needed while I was 
> carrying other equipment I did not need at all.
> 
> 

Some small variations on the suggestions offered by Bob W.:

a. Clothing. 
Wear the following
- mid-weight mid-height hiking boots
- socks
- underwear (optional)
- short-sleeve shirt
- long-sleeve shirt
- light jacket
- money belt
Pack the following in your camera-oriented backpack
- spare pair of socks
- spare underwear (optional)
- toothbrush etc.
- roll of TP

b. Camera gear.
In your hand, over the shoulder, or in a Domke-type shoulder bag.
- Primary body with battery grip
- Mid-range zoom (e.g., 16-50/2.8)
- Longer zoom (e.g., 50-135/2.8)
- monopod/walking stick
- credit cards
- passport
In your camera-oriented backpack
- Back-up camera body
- Moderate wide-angle (e.g., 21mm)
- Moderate long lens (e.g., 77mm)
- 3 spare batteries + charger
- 6-10 memory cards @16gb
- smallish laptop, charger
- card reader
- 1TB external disk drive

c. Optional
- photo vest
- hat, bandana and/or DoRag for sun protection
- macro lens
- flip flops for wear in really grungy showers
- swim suit
- medical kit with medicines (and appropriate prescriptions for 
documentation) for stomach upset, etc. 
- 2x tele-extender compatible with the 50-135 zoom

The two zoom lenses will be all you need. The two primes are for lower-light, 
less obtrusive strolls when you can leave most of your gear in a secure 
location. They also provide backup if both of the zooms should fail for 
whatever reasons. In fact, if I were trying to travel really light, I would 
take just the 50-135 and the 21; these two would cover 95% of the likely 
scenes. If you have a credit card and some cash, there is really no reason to 
take spare clothing or a huge toiletry kit. 

Back when I was doing a lot of backpacking and then bicycle touring I found 
many resources with suggestions on minimal-gear travel. The truly dedicated 
will, for example, reduce the weight and size of their toothbrush by judicious 
drilling and filing of the handle. Check sites catering to those through-hiking 
the Appalachian Trail or doing a multi-month bike trip. You could also check 
the web sites for those who run photo safaris in Africa where there are often 
severe weight and size restrictions on the gear that can be transported via 
small plane from one spot to another; their packing lists might be useful.

stan
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Re: Essential Kit

[Darren Addy]

For low light, I would recommend a lightweight tabletop tripod, such as:
http://www.adorama.com/BG709B.html?utm_term=Other&utm_medium=Shopping%20Site&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=gbase

Perhaps also a monopod that could double as a walking stick.

I think a lightweight lens with macro capabilities would be handy.
There aren't a lot in that category, so I would suggest the DA 35mm
Macro Limited.

Definitely a wide rectilinear. I agree with the earlier Sigma 10-20mm
suggestion.

You also need one of those puffer rocket blowers.

Darren Addy
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Re: Essential Kit

[Bulent Celasun]

I guess most would suggest at least one zoom.
Still, under your circumstances, my suggestions are as belows:
- K5 body and grip with two batteries and a charger.
- DA 15mm f/4, a 31 or 40mm prime, DA 70mm.
- I doubt if you miss a stronger telephoto...

In fact, I am packing for a 4-day-trip now.
I will be carrying the below :
- K5 body with grip, two batteries and a charger
- Sigma 10-20mm (earlier version)
- DA 40mm f/2.8 (Leaving behind the FA and SMC Tak 50mm 1/1.4)
- DA 55-300mm. (Leaving behind the "full manual" 50-135mm -long
story-, the FA 77mm and third party 85mm)
The area hosts a large variety of endemic plants/flowers and I also
consider carrying my macro (Sigma 70mm) as well :(
I will be carrying these for about 4-5 hours a day...

Hope you find "your" solution without much procrastination and pain :)

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2011/5/16 John Sessoms :
> This is, for now, only a thought experiment, but it might provide a basis
> for something I will try to do in the future if I can work out the
> financing.
>
> Parameters are that you would be on the road for a minimum of thirty days
> for a photo safari. The goal of the trip is to produce photography suitable
> to illustrate a travel article you could sell to a newspaper or magazine
> along with the photography. It is important to be able to represent both the
> people and the scenery of the locale being visited.
>
> Transportation is problematic. Ground transportation may not be always
> available, and you may not have any place to secure your baggage, so you may
> have to carry all of it with you all of the time. Think in terms of you
> might have to carry your home on your back like a turtle.
>
> *ALL* of everything you are carrying - photo equipment, clothing and any
> other essentials must fit into one U.S. Government Issue duffel bag ...
>
> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Gium7tfpL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
>
> ... plus one *SMALL* carry on (22" x 14" x 9") bag.
>
> A suitable size ruck-sack could substitute for the duffel bag. I only
> suggest the issue duffel as an example of the size of bag I'm interested in
> - I already have several of them, they're easy to secure with a padlock & I
> have a steel security mesh that will fit over it.
>
> http://www.rei.com/product/709210/pacsafe-140-security-web-x-large
>
> You will have erratic (at best) access to the internet during your travels.
>
> I would appreciate some thoughts on what constitutes the *essential* kit.
> What will you need to carry to get the job done?
>
> I am more interested in general categories than I am in specific items; i.e.
> "good wide angle zoom" as opposed to "SMC Pentax DA 12-24mm F4.0 ED AL
> (IF)", "Laptop" rather than "Apple MacBook Pro", etc.
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> I have my own ideas already, but I would appreciate additional input that
> might identify things I've missed in my preliminary planning.
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> This is partially based on my most recent trip. I had too much baggage and
> it was, at times, unwieldy. And I found I did not have all the equipment I
> needed while I was carrying other equipment I did not need at all.
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RE: Essential Kit

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> John Sessoms

> I would appreciate some thoughts on what constitutes the *essential*
> kit. What will you need to carry to get the job done?

I've done this sort of thing several times in Africa, India and various
remote parts of Europe. A duffel bag of that size is far too big. The
approach I took for my second trip to Ethiopia, and for subsequent trips to
remote places, was to take a Pelican 1550 with an Eagle Creek shoulder
strap, and a bag that was no more than 30 litres capacity - 20l is better -
either a Domke F2 or a LowePro Street & Field photo backpack. This makes the
stuff easy-ish to carry around, whereas an enormous duffle is just going to
make things more difficult than they already are.

The trick is to take all the foam and dividers and stuff out of the Pelican
bag, and use your clothes and things as the padding. You can carry your
day-to-day camera kit in the F-2 so have it to hand, can take it as carry-on
on planes and buses. The less-used camera kit - long lenses and so on - can
go in the Pelican which can go in checked baggage, on the roof of buses etc.
You can lock it in hotel rooms and, if necessary, chain it to something
solid to prevent people walking off with it.

You economise on clothes. You only really need one change of clothing,
perhaps 2 of underwear and socks, which aren't particularly bulky, and you
stomp everything clean in the shower every night.

As for camera equipment, you need 2 identical bodies, backing each other up
and giving you options on lenses. You need a lens in the 28-100/2.8 range
(135 equivalent) and it won't harm to have something a bit wider and
something a bit longer, although I think I could do ok with just a 35/1.4
and a 100/2. Fast is good.

Batteries, chargers and storage cards in abundance. Some sort of high
capacity storage to dump the cards to every evening. Notebooks and pens.
Comfortable shoes.

You need far less than you think you do, and you should take pride in
reducing stuff to the minimum. The ideal is to get everything in carry-on.
In "Shooting Under Fire - the world of the war photographer", Peter Howe
writes "everyone knows how much baggage we can require for a two-week
vacation. Imagine taking the equivalent to the deserts of Afghanistan, or
the battered shell of Grozny [...]. What would you need for two months under
battle conditions? Well, the unisex list basically includes a change of
trousers, two shirts, socks and underwear, a shortwave radio, a flashlight,
a medical kit, a wash kit and a water pump with a filter if you're going to
somewhere without potable water - all under twenty pounds".

That's the attitude you need to adopt.

B



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