Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA (Update)
As an update to this little saga - the vendor of the most recent card that I purchased asked me to send some photos of the installation. So I reinstalled the card - and again it did not work - and I proceeded to get several snaps of it to document how it was installed. I then rebooted the PC... and the card came up working fine. Subsequent tests show that if the PC is off for an hour or more, the card will not be detected. But, once it has been powered up for a few minutes, a reboot results in the card being detected and functioning fine. Maybe it needs to "warm up" a bit before it will work??? I still think it is clearly defective. But - having a sorta working USB 3.0 card makes me realize - USB 3.0 is really nice. I finally got to use the card reader I purchased and dumping a SDHC card is much much faster than my old USB 2.0 setup. It's also good to know that the motherboard is functioning fine - the issue has been with the cards all along. So I have ordered card #4. Thanks for all the suggestions and info - especially re duck tape. Mark --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
Maybe they should have stocked more duck tape: http://hansmiddendorp.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/wilnis-doorbraak.jpg In 2003 a dike started floating because it's made from peat. This year several dikes made from peat face the same danger due to drought. Toine On 30 July 2015 at 19:42, Bob W-PDML wrote: > You guys need dijk tape to stop this sort of thing from happening all the > time: > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Brinker,_or_The_Silver_Skates#/media/File:Hans_Brinker_Madurodam.jpg > > B > > > >> On 30 Jul 2015, at 10:28, Toine wrote: >> >> As a dutchman I enjoyed reading: "Cotton duck (from Dutch: doek)" >> maybe I should call it doektape in the future. >> >>> On 29 July 2015 at 23:18, John wrote: On 7/29/2015 12:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > On 7/28/2015 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Toine wrote: >> >> I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: >> http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg >> >> Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to >> restore airflow conditions like before. > > > I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is > "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on > air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for > that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. Actually it's DUKW pronounced and often spelled "Duck" tape, duct tape is a different animal. The original "Duck" tape was used to water proof items, such as ammunition boxes that were loaded on to DUKWs for transport over beaches during WWII. It predates Duct tape. (used in HVAC installations). which is heat proof, but not necessarily waterproof, by a good number of years. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_duck >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >>> Religion - Answers we must never question. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
Modegreen is a recursive form of mondegreen. Somewhere around here I still have several partial rolls of GSA cloth tapes that fall within the "Duck Tape" universe. They came in several flavors of green - ranging from an almost Kelly Green suitable for St. Patrick's Day decorations to a 3 inch wide roll of deep Olive Green that was supposedly chemical agent resistant. It would stick to CARC on vehicles. It was certainly resistant to chemical agent decontamination in training exercises (where we used live Decon solutions, even though NOT live agents). Also rolls in black and/or tan (sand). Plus, somewhere I should still have the remnants of a 5,000 ft spool of 550 cord. On 7/30/2015 12:51 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Shouldn't that be mondegreen? Speaking of Duck Tape and Green. I live about 35 miles from Electric Boat in Groten/New London, and that facility at one time supplied it's own Duck Tape, which was referred to as EB Green due to it's distinctive color. It was the Gold Standard of Duct tapes, much better than the silvery stuff available commercially. There was actually sort of a black market in it. EB workers would take a roll home now and then and share it with their friends. Not available any more, probably killed off by cheep imitations, (just the regular silver stuff, colored green in imitation). On 7/30/2015 12:16 PM, John wrote: It was interesting reading. I first heard it called "Duct-tape" and thought "Duck Tape" was a modegreen. Now I know that it was indeed originally "Duck" tape, only referring to a different meaning of "duck". Learn something new every day - try to anyway. Although ... For PDML purposes shouldn't it be Cormorant Tape? On 7/30/2015 5:28 AM, Toine wrote: As a dutchman I enjoyed reading: "Cotton duck (from Dutch: doek)" maybe I should call it doektape in the future. On 29 July 2015 at 23:18, John wrote: On 7/29/2015 12:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 7/28/2015 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Toine wrote: I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. Actually it's DUKW pronounced and often spelled "Duck" tape, duct tape is a different animal. The original "Duck" tape was used to water proof items, such as ammunition boxes that were loaded on to DUKWs for transport over beaches during WWII. It predates Duct tape. (used in HVAC installations). which is heat proof, but not necessarily waterproof, by a good number of years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_duck -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
You guys need dijk tape to stop this sort of thing from happening all the time: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Brinker,_or_The_Silver_Skates#/media/File:Hans_Brinker_Madurodam.jpg B > On 30 Jul 2015, at 10:28, Toine wrote: > > As a dutchman I enjoyed reading: "Cotton duck (from Dutch: doek)" > maybe I should call it doektape in the future. > >> On 29 July 2015 at 23:18, John wrote: >>> On 7/29/2015 12:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: >>> On 7/28/2015 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Toine wrote: > > I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: > http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg > > Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to > restore airflow conditions like before. I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. >>> >>> Actually it's DUKW pronounced and often spelled "Duck" tape, duct tape >>> is a different animal. The original "Duck" tape was used to water proof >>> items, such as ammunition boxes that were loaded on to DUKWs for >>> transport over beaches during WWII. It predates Duct tape. (used in >>> HVAC installations). which is heat proof, but not necessarily >>> waterproof, by a good number of years. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_duck >> >> >> -- >> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >> Religion - Answers we must never question. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
Shouldn't that be mondegreen? Speaking of Duck Tape and Green. I live about 35 miles from Electric Boat in Groten/New London, and that facility at one time supplied it's own Duck Tape, which was referred to as EB Green due to it's distinctive color. It was the Gold Standard of Duct tapes, much better than the silvery stuff available commercially. There was actually sort of a black market in it. EB workers would take a roll home now and then and share it with their friends. Not available any more, probably killed off by cheep imitations, (just the regular silver stuff, colored green in imitation). On 7/30/2015 12:16 PM, John wrote: It was interesting reading. I first heard it called "Duct-tape" and thought "Duck Tape" was a modegreen. Now I know that it was indeed originally "Duck" tape, only referring to a different meaning of "duck". Learn something new every day - try to anyway. Although ... For PDML purposes shouldn't it be Cormorant Tape? On 7/30/2015 5:28 AM, Toine wrote: As a dutchman I enjoyed reading: "Cotton duck (from Dutch: doek)" maybe I should call it doektape in the future. On 29 July 2015 at 23:18, John wrote: On 7/29/2015 12:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 7/28/2015 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Toine wrote: I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. Actually it's DUKW pronounced and often spelled "Duck" tape, duct tape is a different animal. The original "Duck" tape was used to water proof items, such as ammunition boxes that were loaded on to DUKWs for transport over beaches during WWII. It predates Duct tape. (used in HVAC installations). which is heat proof, but not necessarily waterproof, by a good number of years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_duck -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
Hum, Wikipedia, might be right. Might not. On 7/29/2015 5:18 PM, John wrote: On 7/29/2015 12:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 7/28/2015 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Toine wrote: I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. Actually it's DUKW pronounced and often spelled "Duck" tape, duct tape is a different animal. The original "Duck" tape was used to water proof items, such as ammunition boxes that were loaded on to DUKWs for transport over beaches during WWII. It predates Duct tape. (used in HVAC installations). which is heat proof, but not necessarily waterproof, by a good number of years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_duck -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
It was interesting reading. I first heard it called "Duct-tape" and thought "Duck Tape" was a modegreen. Now I know that it was indeed originally "Duck" tape, only referring to a different meaning of "duck". Learn something new every day - try to anyway. Although ... For PDML purposes shouldn't it be Cormorant Tape? On 7/30/2015 5:28 AM, Toine wrote: As a dutchman I enjoyed reading: "Cotton duck (from Dutch: doek)" maybe I should call it doektape in the future. On 29 July 2015 at 23:18, John wrote: On 7/29/2015 12:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 7/28/2015 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Toine wrote: I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. Actually it's DUKW pronounced and often spelled "Duck" tape, duct tape is a different animal. The original "Duck" tape was used to water proof items, such as ammunition boxes that were loaded on to DUKWs for transport over beaches during WWII. It predates Duct tape. (used in HVAC installations). which is heat proof, but not necessarily waterproof, by a good number of years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_duck -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
As a dutchman I enjoyed reading: "Cotton duck (from Dutch: doek)" maybe I should call it doektape in the future. On 29 July 2015 at 23:18, John wrote: > On 7/29/2015 12:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: >> >> On 7/28/2015 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Toine wrote: I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. >>> >>> >>> I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is >>> "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on >>> air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for >>> that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. >>> >> >> Actually it's DUKW pronounced and often spelled "Duck" tape, duct tape >> is a different animal. The original "Duck" tape was used to water proof >> items, such as ammunition boxes that were loaded on to DUKWs for >> transport over beaches during WWII. It predates Duct tape. (used in >> HVAC installations). which is heat proof, but not necessarily >> waterproof, by a good number of years. >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_duck > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
On 7/29/2015 12:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 7/28/2015 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Toine wrote: I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. Actually it's DUKW pronounced and often spelled "Duck" tape, duct tape is a different animal. The original "Duck" tape was used to water proof items, such as ammunition boxes that were loaded on to DUKWs for transport over beaches during WWII. It predates Duct tape. (used in HVAC installations). which is heat proof, but not necessarily waterproof, by a good number of years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_duck -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
https://tw-projects.s3.amazonaws.com/twduckbrand/prod/images/products/00-03023-01-resized_resized.jpg On 7/28/2015 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Toine wrote: I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
I normally would have picked one up at the Tiger Direct store, but they closed that too. That's why I recommend "your local computer geek shop". Plus, if it's a *real* computer geek shop & they don't have it in stock, they can make one for you. On 7/29/2015 12:48 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: RadioShack probably has it for quite a bit less. Unfortunately due to circumstances, RadioShacks have become somewhat hard to find, and may no longer stock a full range of parts. On 7/28/2015 11:41 AM, John wrote: Check your local computer geek shop. They should have an over-priced SATA to Molex connector. On 7/27/2015 3:19 PM, Mark C wrote: Thanks, Igor. I looked at your recommendation but it has a molex power socket and I only have sata power plugs free in the case - I don't even see any molex cables in there at all. I picked the first card because of the sata power port, Inateck's good reputation, and also because it included a sata power cord extension (which I found was not necessary.) After that I just looked for NEC chipset and sata power socket, and eventually also for ports in the needed orientation - those three factors combined really limit available choices Maybe I'll try the transcend card and get a sata to molex adapter (I was trying to keep things simple but obviously have not been successful on that front.) On 7/27/2015 1:46 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Hi Mark, Sorry to hear about your troubles. But why did you go for the more obscure cards and chipsets? I remember that I researched when I was buying, and Transcend card that I suggested had a good compatibility record, and worked for me even on WinXP: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/696114-REG/Transcend_TS_PDU3_2_Port_USB_3_ 0_PCI.html As far as I remember it has NEC/Renesas chipset. (Although I see now somebody's comment complaining about drivers for 64-bit Windows, if you install correct drivers, it works just fine: http://www.amazon.com/review/R346MKTNSV3FJM/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie=UTF8&asin=B003MVJG8Q&cdForum=Fx190IO4NYDDUE&cdMsgID=Mx13H5WCW689GCR&cdMsgNo=3&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx73HNRBBX5BRR&store=electronics#Mx13H5WCW689GCR ) Good luck! Igor Mark C Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:51:57 -0700 wrote: Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by Windows. Returned. Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! Gr. Mark -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
Mark C wrote: Thanks, Larry - I am contemplating this. The other cards have the connectors turned 90 degrees. The card that had the connectors that were blocked by the case could be modified to fit in a low profile case - so they rotated the connectors to decrease the footprint. I never considered that they would not fit in my case and after purchasing the card revisited the listing on Amazon and did not see any note about needing a special case for the card. I do not have a grinder and I am not sure that the cut and bend approach will work - so I think I need a card with the slots in the right orientation. You could pick up a file, or even a hacksaw, for a few dollars. Or, if you know anybody that plays with cars, they would have the requisite tools. I don't suppose the same company has another version of the card with the usb slots rotated. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
Thanks - I have been giving that serious consideration since I have an excellent pair of tin snips on hand already. But am not sure it would work. I would not only have to cut out enough for the USB plug to fit into the socket, but also would need to cut out enough for any plastic base around the plug and also accommodate the metal that I would have bend back from the expanded hole. I'm not sure it would be feasible - I think grinding would be needed if I decided to go with enlarging the slot, but even then I think it would encroach too much on the neighboring slots (and the video card has to be next to it since that is where the only PCIe x2 slot is.) I really think the solution lies in getting a card with ports orientated in the right way. On 7/28/2015 3:59 PM, Toine wrote: I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. On 27 July 2015 at 17:50, Mark C wrote: Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by Windows. Returned. Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! Gr. Mark --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob told me that it was invented by an ex-patriot Yorshireman who relocated to France and was granted nobility before the revolution. Hence Duc T'Ape. I think that's a bit fanciful. Whoever heard of a noble Yorkshireman? On 28 July 2015 at 22:20, Mark Roberts wrote: > Larry Colen wrote: > >>I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is >>"duct tape" not "duck tape". > > Wow. All this time I've thought it was "Duct Ape", a sort of primate > that lives in central air conditioning systems. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 02:09:49PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Toine wrote: > >I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: > >http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg > > > >Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to > >restore airflow conditions like before. > > I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct > tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on > HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is > pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) A true pedant, however, would point out that while the origin of the word is no doubt from something intended for use on ducts, nowadays duck tape is an accepted name (and even a brand name) for the product (at least in the USA). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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RadioShack probably has it for quite a bit less. Unfortunately due to circumstances, RadioShacks have become somewhat hard to find, and may no longer stock a full range of parts. On 7/28/2015 11:41 AM, John wrote: Check your local computer geek shop. They should have an over-priced SATA to Molex connector. On 7/27/2015 3:19 PM, Mark C wrote: Thanks, Igor. I looked at your recommendation but it has a molex power socket and I only have sata power plugs free in the case - I don't even see any molex cables in there at all. I picked the first card because of the sata power port, Inateck's good reputation, and also because it included a sata power cord extension (which I found was not necessary.) After that I just looked for NEC chipset and sata power socket, and eventually also for ports in the needed orientation - those three factors combined really limit available choices Maybe I'll try the transcend card and get a sata to molex adapter (I was trying to keep things simple but obviously have not been successful on that front.) On 7/27/2015 1:46 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Hi Mark, Sorry to hear about your troubles. But why did you go for the more obscure cards and chipsets? I remember that I researched when I was buying, and Transcend card that I suggested had a good compatibility record, and worked for me even on WinXP: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/696114-REG/Transcend_TS_PDU3_2_Port_USB_3_ 0_PCI.html As far as I remember it has NEC/Renesas chipset. (Although I see now somebody's comment complaining about drivers for 64-bit Windows, if you install correct drivers, it works just fine: http://www.amazon.com/review/R346MKTNSV3FJM/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie=UTF8&asin=B003MVJG8Q&cdForum=Fx190IO4NYDDUE&cdMsgID=Mx13H5WCW689GCR&cdMsgNo=3&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx73HNRBBX5BRR&store=electronics#Mx13H5WCW689GCR ) Good luck! Igor Mark C Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:51:57 -0700 wrote: Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by Windows. Returned. Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! Gr. Mark --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/28/2015 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Toine wrote: I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. Actually it's DUKW pronounced and often spelled "Duck" tape, duct tape is a different animal. The original "Duck" tape was used to water proof items, such as ammunition boxes that were loaded on to DUKWs for transport over beaches during WWII. It predates Duct tape. (used in HVAC installations). which is heat proof, but not necessarily waterproof, by a good number of years. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Larry - I am contemplating this. The other cards have the connectors turned 90 degrees. The card that had the connectors that were blocked by the case could be modified to fit in a low profile case - so they rotated the connectors to decrease the footprint. I never considered that they would not fit in my case and after purchasing the card revisited the listing on Amazon and did not see any note about needing a special case for the card. I do not have a grinder and I am not sure that the cut and bend approach will work - so I think I need a card with the slots in the right orientation. Mark On 7/28/2015 1:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Mark C wrote: I have hung onto the working card so far, but I am a little concerned about the prospect of metal filings in the case. I don't know how usb connectors would fit in other cards in the same slot and not the one that works. If the hole is too small for the connectors on one card, it'll be too small with all of them. Unless they are turned 90 degrees I suppose. This is a somewhat overcautious way of going about it: Unplug the case. Get a sheet of aluminum foil (unlike saran wrap it won't build up a static charge) and cover everything but the hole you want to grind out. Grind the slot out wide enough. Remove the aluminum foil in such a way that you don't drop swarf into the computer. Take some canned air and blow the case out. Plan B: Take photos of everything. Remove the mobo. grind the slot Blow the dust off the mobo. Put things back, but neater than they had been run last time. You may want to make sure you match up the sata cables with the same slots as before. Plan B2: Similar to above, but replace the mobo. Plan C: Take vice grips and bend the metal between the holes out of the way. It might take a couple of slight notches with a hacksaw, but would create less swarf. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The things one learns on this group! swarf (n): material (as metallic particles and abrasive fragments) removed by a cutting or grinding tool. Origin: probably from Middle English *swerf, from Old English geswearf, gesweorf; akin to Old English sweorfan to file away. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > http://www.duckbrand.com/ > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> Toine wrote: >>> >>> I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: >>> http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg >>> >>> Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to >>> restore airflow conditions like before. >> >> >> I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct >> tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on >> HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is >> pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.duckbrand.com/ On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Toine wrote: >> >> I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: >> http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg >> >> Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to >> restore airflow conditions like before. > > > I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct > tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on > HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is > pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry Colen wrote: >I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is >"duct tape" not "duck tape". Wow. All this time I've thought it was "Duct Ape", a sort of primate that lives in central air conditioning systems. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Toine wrote: I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. I realize that pedantry is almost unheard of on PDML, but the tape is "duct tape" not "duck tape". It was originally invented for use on air ducts on HVAC systems. It turns out that it does very poorly for that job, but is pretty good for lots of other stuff instead. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would cut the metal strips with a tin snip. something like: http://german-hand-tools.com/images/066R-15-250_offen.jpg Once the PCI card is inserted apply some duck tape from the inside to restore airflow conditions like before. On 27 July 2015 at 17:50, Mark C wrote: > Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: > > Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by > Windows. Returned. > > Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, > driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform > faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) > > http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg > > Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the > ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is > connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is > NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! > I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! > > Gr. > > Mark > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark C wrote: I have hung onto the working card so far, but I am a little concerned about the prospect of metal filings in the case. I don't know how usb connectors would fit in other cards in the same slot and not the one that works. If the hole is too small for the connectors on one card, it'll be too small with all of them. Unless they are turned 90 degrees I suppose. This is a somewhat overcautious way of going about it: Unplug the case. Get a sheet of aluminum foil (unlike saran wrap it won't build up a static charge) and cover everything but the hole you want to grind out. Grind the slot out wide enough. Remove the aluminum foil in such a way that you don't drop swarf into the computer. Take some canned air and blow the case out. Plan B: Take photos of everything. Remove the mobo. grind the slot Blow the dust off the mobo. Put things back, but neater than they had been run last time. You may want to make sure you match up the sata cables with the same slots as before. Plan B2: Similar to above, but replace the mobo. Plan C: Take vice grips and bend the metal between the holes out of the way. It might take a couple of slight notches with a hacksaw, but would create less swarf. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You could run a vacuum cleaner as you file. With a suitable tube extension to the locality, of course. On 28 July 2015 at 16:39, Mark C wrote: > I have hung onto the working card so far, but I am a little concerned about > the prospect of metal filings in the case. > > > On 7/27/2015 2:05 PM, mike wilson wrote: >> >> Card 2 and some file work (or a Dremel if you are feeling idle) would >> seem to be the answer. >> >> On 27 July 2015 at 16:50, Mark C wrote: >>> >>> Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: >>> >>> Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by >>> Windows. Returned. >>> >>> Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by >>> Windows, >>> driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could >>> perform >>> faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) >>> >>> >>> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg >>> >>> Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the >>> ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is >>> connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power >>> is >>> NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs >>> power! >>> I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with >>> it! >>> >>> Gr. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Check your local computer geek shop. They should have an over-priced SATA to Molex connector. On 7/27/2015 3:19 PM, Mark C wrote: Thanks, Igor. I looked at your recommendation but it has a molex power socket and I only have sata power plugs free in the case - I don't even see any molex cables in there at all. I picked the first card because of the sata power port, Inateck's good reputation, and also because it included a sata power cord extension (which I found was not necessary.) After that I just looked for NEC chipset and sata power socket, and eventually also for ports in the needed orientation - those three factors combined really limit available choices Maybe I'll try the transcend card and get a sata to molex adapter (I was trying to keep things simple but obviously have not been successful on that front.) On 7/27/2015 1:46 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Hi Mark, Sorry to hear about your troubles. But why did you go for the more obscure cards and chipsets? I remember that I researched when I was buying, and Transcend card that I suggested had a good compatibility record, and worked for me even on WinXP: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/696114-REG/Transcend_TS_PDU3_2_Port_USB_3_ 0_PCI.html As far as I remember it has NEC/Renesas chipset. (Although I see now somebody's comment complaining about drivers for 64-bit Windows, if you install correct drivers, it works just fine: http://www.amazon.com/review/R346MKTNSV3FJM/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie=UTF8&asin=B003MVJG8Q&cdForum=Fx190IO4NYDDUE&cdMsgID=Mx13H5WCW689GCR&cdMsgNo=3&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx73HNRBBX5BRR&store=electronics#Mx13H5WCW689GCR ) Good luck! Igor Mark C Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:51:57 -0700 wrote: Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by Windows. Returned. Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! Gr. Mark --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have hung onto the working card so far, but I am a little concerned about the prospect of metal filings in the case. On 7/27/2015 2:05 PM, mike wilson wrote: Card 2 and some file work (or a Dremel if you are feeling idle) would seem to be the answer. On 27 July 2015 at 16:50, Mark C wrote: Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by Windows. Returned. Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! Gr. Mark --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:50:47 -0400 Mark C wrote: > >Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, >driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform >faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) > >http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg I would just file/grind some of that metal away and keep that card, 4 ports of USB 3.0 :) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com Flickr : jvw_pentax -- This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry to amuse myself at your expense but that photo is hilarious. Cheers, Dave On Jul 28, 2015, at 3:50 am, Mark C wrote: > Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: > > Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by > Windows. Returned. > > Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, > driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform > faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) > > http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg > > Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the ports > oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is connected - > not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is NOT connected > but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! I'm requesting > a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! > > Gr. > > Mark > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah - even the DVD is a SATA device. I am hopeful since the second card was recognized by the system when it was powered up. I guess I could always get some tin snips and "modify" the case to gain access to the USB ports on it... Mark On 7/27/2015 4:22 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Mark, ghm... I didn't think about that "catch", a PC power supply without any molex cables. But, it makes sense if you have only a few drives, and they are all SATA, and there are no CD/DVD-drives (and floppy-drives! ;-) ) And yes, you need the power for USB 3.0 that is not available from PCIe: USB 3.0 calls for 5 V, 900 mA (4.5W). This is not always needed in full if the HDD has its own power-supply, but it's a must if those are "mobile", USB-powered HDDs. I don't remember PCIe specs and why the power cannot be drawn from it, maybe it is the voltage (5V) that is not available without a transformer from PCI-e x1. Good luck! Igor Mark C Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:20:25 -0700 wrote: Thanks, Igor. I looked at your recommendation but it has a molex power socket and I only have sata power plugs free in the case - I don't even see any molex cables in there at all. I picked the first card because of the sata power port, Inateck's good reputation, and also because it included a sata power cord extension (which I found was not necessary.) After that I just looked for NEC chipset and sata power socket, and eventually also for ports in the needed orientation - those three factors combined really limit available choices Maybe I'll try the transcend card and get a sata to molex adapter (I was trying to keep things simple but obviously have not been successful on that front.) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark, ghm... I didn't think about that "catch", a PC power supply without any molex cables. But, it makes sense if you have only a few drives, and they are all SATA, and there are no CD/DVD-drives (and floppy-drives! ;-) ) And yes, you need the power for USB 3.0 that is not available from PCIe: USB 3.0 calls for 5 V, 900 mA (4.5W). This is not always needed in full if the HDD has its own power-supply, but it's a must if those are "mobile", USB-powered HDDs. I don't remember PCIe specs and why the power cannot be drawn from it, maybe it is the voltage (5V) that is not available without a transformer from PCI-e x1. Good luck! Igor Mark C Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:20:25 -0700 wrote: Thanks, Igor. I looked at your recommendation but it has a molex power socket and I only have sata power plugs free in the case - I don't even see any molex cables in there at all. I picked the first card because of the sata power port, Inateck's good reputation, and also because it included a sata power cord extension (which I found was not necessary.) After that I just looked for NEC chipset and sata power socket, and eventually also for ports in the needed orientation - those three factors combined really limit available choices Maybe I'll try the transcend card and get a sata to molex adapter (I was trying to keep things simple but obviously have not been successful on that front.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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"Re-importing manufacturing jobs via Ikea" - never thought of that but very true. On 7/27/2015 1:50 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: As with all current consumer electronics, the customer is the quality assurance department. Just as manufacturing jobs are partially re-imported to North America every time you buy IKEA, (or similar), furniture. Your story reminds me of the MB I replaced recently that had three memory slots, but wouldn't recognize any memory at all if more than one was in use. On 7/27/2015 11:50 AM, Mark C wrote: Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by Windows. Returned. Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! Gr. Mark --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Igor. I looked at your recommendation but it has a molex power socket and I only have sata power plugs free in the case - I don't even see any molex cables in there at all. I picked the first card because of the sata power port, Inateck's good reputation, and also because it included a sata power cord extension (which I found was not necessary.) After that I just looked for NEC chipset and sata power socket, and eventually also for ports in the needed orientation - those three factors combined really limit available choices Maybe I'll try the transcend card and get a sata to molex adapter (I was trying to keep things simple but obviously have not been successful on that front.) On 7/27/2015 1:46 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Hi Mark, Sorry to hear about your troubles. But why did you go for the more obscure cards and chipsets? I remember that I researched when I was buying, and Transcend card that I suggested had a good compatibility record, and worked for me even on WinXP: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/696114-REG/Transcend_TS_PDU3_2_Port_USB_3_ 0_PCI.html As far as I remember it has NEC/Renesas chipset. (Although I see now somebody's comment complaining about drivers for 64-bit Windows, if you install correct drivers, it works just fine: http://www.amazon.com/review/R346MKTNSV3FJM/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie=UTF8&asin=B003MVJG8Q&cdForum=Fx190IO4NYDDUE&cdMsgID=Mx13H5WCW689GCR&cdMsgNo=3&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx73HNRBBX5BRR&store=electronics#Mx13H5WCW689GCR ) Good luck! Igor Mark C Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:51:57 -0700 wrote: Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by Windows. Returned. Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! Gr. Mark --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep - downloaded the updated drivers (the CD had slightly older drivers on it) and also tried the generic drivers from Fresco. Inateck's support department was first rate - I emailed them on Saturday and they replied on Sunday afternoon. There were comments on Amazon from people who tried the card and had the same experience as I did, so I wonder if there was a compatibility issue with the card and certain chipsets, but Inteck said that it should work in my system. On 7/27/2015 1:20 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Mark C wrote: Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by Windows. Returned. I know it's too late... but did you download drivers? http://www.inateck.com/support/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
Card 2 and some file work (or a Dremel if you are feeling idle) would seem to be the answer. On 27 July 2015 at 16:50, Mark C wrote: > Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: > > Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by > Windows. Returned. > > Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, > driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform > faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) > > http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg > > Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the > ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is > connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is > NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! > I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! > > Gr. > > Mark > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
As with all current consumer electronics, the customer is the quality assurance department. Just as manufacturing jobs are partially re-imported to North America every time you buy IKEA, (or similar), furniture. Your story reminds me of the MB I replaced recently that had three memory slots, but wouldn't recognize any memory at all if more than one was in use. On 7/27/2015 11:50 AM, Mark C wrote: Here's why I don't like messing with my PC. Trying to add a USB 3.0 card: Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by Windows. Returned. Card #2 - Tenex with NEC chipset. Seems to work fine! Detected by Windows, driver is installed, Windows notifies me of the devices that could perform faster... but is physically incompatible with my case (see the picture) http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/PDML/20150723_100156.jpg Card #3 - TomTop card with same chipset as the card above but with the ports oriented in the other direction. Does not work when SATA power is connected - not detected by Windows. *Is* detected by Windows when power is NOT connected but devices do not work when plugged in. Probably needs power! I'm requesting a replacement and if that does not work... to hell with it! Gr. Mark --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - USB 3.0 PITA
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Mark C wrote: > Card #1 - Inateck with Fresco Chipset. Does not work - not detected by > Windows. Returned. I know it's too late... but did you download drivers? http://www.inateck.com/support/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
