RE: SD Card Survey
From: Bipin Gupta Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? I use mostly 8 GB + 4 GB extreme Sandisk Cards - agree they are the best, reliable and safer too as Bruce puts it. While in Cologne, Germany, I visited Media Mart, the biggest Camera & Electronic super market in Europe, and bought some 8 GB HAMA 10x cards on sale. They are pretty good. As an amateur photographer it takes me literally days to fill up an 8 GB card. And if I ever loose one I have lost only 8 GB and not 16 GB. Regards. Bipin. For me, it's because if I need to buy additional cards now, 16GB cards are what's readily available. When I was in the store where I buy most of my cards, they had plenty of 16GB cards, and all the spaces on the display rack where the 8GB cards were supposed to be were empty. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Francis wrote: >On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 07:32:39PM -0500, Stan Halpin wrote: >> >> Don't change recording media in the heat of the moment; wait for a quiet >> time and place, thus avoiding potential disasters that might befall media >> and/or camera. > >One of the nice things about digital media is that you can actually do this. >Fifteen or so years ago I missed the opportunity to get a spectacular shot >of Paul Tracy flipping over the catch fencing at Laguna Seca because I was >listening to the PZ-1p rewind after having just exposed the last frame. >Now I can shoot for an entire weekend on the same SD card (and even, as >a bonus, get to change the sensitivity without swapping media). If I were still shooting motorsports I'd definitely go for some big SD cards. As it is I use 4 Gig cards and carry a bunch of them when I travel. I very rarely fill a card in a day (I'm not a machine gunner). At the end of each day I copy the files from the card to a computer (I usually travel with a tiny Dell Mini 10v netbook) and put the card aside not to be used until the next trip. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I cannot possibly imagin having a working leica and not at least trying a roll. I'm not a huge rangefinder fan but there is something nice about the pure manual operation. Its why I like my k1000 so much, though I must admit I found a zx-7 for $15 (with an fa 28-80 no less) in a thrift store with a nice pentax bag to go with it. It looks like they used it maybe twice at the most. Ever since that has been my go to camera for tri-x. The mount is non crippled and metering works well. The shutter sounds nice too. Its plasticky, but very light. A nice complement to a dslr. I would love a film leica. Sorry for the OT ramble Stan Halpin wrote: >I think you are right Zos. All I can recall clearly is that my thumb >severely mangled the moving part of the shutter mechanism. The damaged >cloth shutter I was thinking of was in the Leica I inherited and had to >have repaired. Still haven't put any film through that paper weight! > >stan > >On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: > >> Didn't the pz-1p have a titanium vertical shutter? I think it would >be pretty hard to get to 1/8000 with a cloth shutter >> >> Stan Halpin wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: > On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: >>> >>> People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason >to >>> go >>> with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images >that >>> might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a >>> 32GB >>> or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the >>> card >>> in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in >the >>> camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. >If >>> it >>> is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the >day, >>> then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging >>> the >>> card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of >>> images >>> could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume >>> that >>> less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing >>> damage >>> to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" >>> makes >>> sense to me. >> >> How do you back up your day's shooting? > > Download to my laptop (using LR) with a backup to an external hard >>> drive. > > Depending on card capacity, how many cards I have with me, what is >>> up > the next day, etc. I may just put the card back in the camera or I >>> may > store it and put in a fresh card. At the end of a trip I would >like > to have three copies of everything: laptop hard drive, external >hard > drive, and originals on the card(s). If I am running short of >space >>> on > the card(s) I'll go ahead and reformat one or two but I try to >avoid > that just to be safe. Okay, so you do pop the card out to download -- that wasn't clear >>> from your previous post. -- >>> >>> Yes, but only in the peace and quiet of a hotel room, etc. >>> Back in the BD era (before digital), I was in a dugout canoe being >>> taken across a small river in Panama on my way to visit a native >>> village, a village noted for their artisans. Reallylooking forward >to >>> some shots of the locals at work and of thier finished product. >Spotted >>> a couple of Ibis along the shore. Snapped the last frame on the roll >in >>> the camera (PZ-1p), quickly rewound, reloaded. In my haste, a >certain >>> amount of rocking back and forth of the dugout ensued. No, I didn't >>> drop either film or camera in the river. Instead I poked my thumb >>> through the cloth shutter curtain. The end of photography for that >>> trip. Lesson 1: it is worth the bother to carry a 2nd camera. Lesson >2: >>> don't try to change film in a dugout canoe while in the middle of a >>> river. I have since extrapolated #2 to a more general lesson: don't >>> change recording media in the heat of the moment; wait for a quiet >time >>> and place, thus avoiding potential disasters that might befall media >>> and/or camera. >>> >>> stan >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 07:32:39PM -0500, Stan Halpin wrote: > > Don't change recording media in the heat of the moment; wait for a quiet time > and place, thus avoiding potential disasters that might befall media and/or > camera. One of the nice things about digital media is that you can actually do this. Fifteen or so years ago I missed the opportunity to get a spectacular shot of Paul Tracy flipping over the catch fencing at Laguna Seca because I was listening to the PZ-1p rewind after having just exposed the last frame. Now I can shoot for an entire weekend on the same SD card (and even, as a bonus, get to change the sensitivity without swapping media). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think you are right Zos. All I can recall clearly is that my thumb severely mangled the moving part of the shutter mechanism. The damaged cloth shutter I was thinking of was in the Leica I inherited and had to have repaired. Still haven't put any film through that paper weight! stan On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: > Didn't the pz-1p have a titanium vertical shutter? I think it would be > pretty hard to get to 1/8000 with a cloth shutter > > Stan Halpin wrote: > >> >> On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: >> >> People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to >> go >> with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that >> might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a >> 32GB >> or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the >> card >> in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the >> camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If >> it >> is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, >> then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging >> the >> card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of >> images >> could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume >> that >> less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing >> damage >> to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" >> makes >> sense to me. > > How do you back up your day's shooting? Download to my laptop (using LR) with a backup to an external hard >> drive. Depending on card capacity, how many cards I have with me, what is >> up the next day, etc. I may just put the card back in the camera or I >> may store it and put in a fresh card. At the end of a trip I would like to have three copies of everything: laptop hard drive, external hard drive, and originals on the card(s). If I am running short of space >> on the card(s) I'll go ahead and reformat one or two but I try to avoid that just to be safe. >>> >>> Okay, so you do pop the card out to download -- that wasn't clear >> from >>> your previous post. >>> -- >> >> Yes, but only in the peace and quiet of a hotel room, etc. >> Back in the BD era (before digital), I was in a dugout canoe being >> taken across a small river in Panama on my way to visit a native >> village, a village noted for their artisans. Reallylooking forward to >> some shots of the locals at work and of thier finished product. Spotted >> a couple of Ibis along the shore. Snapped the last frame on the roll in >> the camera (PZ-1p), quickly rewound, reloaded. In my haste, a certain >> amount of rocking back and forth of the dugout ensued. No, I didn't >> drop either film or camera in the river. Instead I poked my thumb >> through the cloth shutter curtain. The end of photography for that >> trip. Lesson 1: it is worth the bother to carry a 2nd camera. Lesson 2: >> don't try to change film in a dugout canoe while in the middle of a >> river. I have since extrapolated #2 to a more general lesson: don't >> change recording media in the heat of the moment; wait for a quiet time >> and place, thus avoiding potential disasters that might befall media >> and/or camera. >> >> stan > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Didn't the pz-1p have a titanium vertical shutter? I think it would be pretty hard to get to 1/8000 with a cloth shutter Stan Halpin wrote: > >On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: >>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: > > People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to >go > with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that > might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a >32GB > or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the >card > in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the > camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If >it > is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, > then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging >the > card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of >images > could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume >that > less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing >damage > to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" >makes > sense to me. How do you back up your day's shooting? >>> >>> Download to my laptop (using LR) with a backup to an external hard >drive. >>> >>> Depending on card capacity, how many cards I have with me, what is >up >>> the next day, etc. I may just put the card back in the camera or I >may >>> store it and put in a fresh card. At the end of a trip I would like >>> to have three copies of everything: laptop hard drive, external hard >>> drive, and originals on the card(s). If I am running short of space >on >>> the card(s) I'll go ahead and reformat one or two but I try to avoid >>> that just to be safe. >> >> Okay, so you do pop the card out to download -- that wasn't clear >from >> your previous post. >> -- > >Yes, but only in the peace and quiet of a hotel room, etc. >Back in the BD era (before digital), I was in a dugout canoe being >taken across a small river in Panama on my way to visit a native >village, a village noted for their artisans. Reallylooking forward to >some shots of the locals at work and of thier finished product. Spotted >a couple of Ibis along the shore. Snapped the last frame on the roll in >the camera (PZ-1p), quickly rewound, reloaded. In my haste, a certain >amount of rocking back and forth of the dugout ensued. No, I didn't >drop either film or camera in the river. Instead I poked my thumb >through the cloth shutter curtain. The end of photography for that >trip. Lesson 1: it is worth the bother to carry a 2nd camera. Lesson 2: >don't try to change film in a dugout canoe while in the middle of a >river. I have since extrapolated #2 to a more general lesson: don't >change recording media in the heat of the moment; wait for a quiet time >and place, thus avoiding potential disasters that might befall media >and/or camera. > >stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: >> On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes sense to me. >>> >>> How do you back up your day's shooting? >> >> Download to my laptop (using LR) with a backup to an external hard drive. >> >> Depending on card capacity, how many cards I have with me, what is up >> the next day, etc. I may just put the card back in the camera or I may >> store it and put in a fresh card. At the end of a trip I would like >> to have three copies of everything: laptop hard drive, external hard >> drive, and originals on the card(s). If I am running short of space on >> the card(s) I'll go ahead and reformat one or two but I try to avoid >> that just to be safe. > > Okay, so you do pop the card out to download -- that wasn't clear from > your previous post. > -- Yes, but only in the peace and quiet of a hotel room, etc. Back in the BD era (before digital), I was in a dugout canoe being taken across a small river in Panama on my way to visit a native village, a village noted for their artisans. Reallylooking forward to some shots of the locals at work and of thier finished product. Spotted a couple of Ibis along the shore. Snapped the last frame on the roll in the camera (PZ-1p), quickly rewound, reloaded. In my haste, a certain amount of rocking back and forth of the dugout ensued. No, I didn't drop either film or camera in the river. Instead I poked my thumb through the cloth shutter curtain. The end of photography for that trip. Lesson 1: it is worth the bother to carry a 2nd camera. Lesson 2: don't try to change film in a dugout canoe while in the middle of a river. I have since extrapolated #2 to a more general lesson: don't change recording media in the heat of the moment; wait for a quiet time and place, thus avoiding potential disasters that might befall media and/or camera. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've had a Sandisk and another manufactures cards fall apart, case split on the seam, first indication of a mechanical failure was the write protect tab falling off and getting lost, (they're just impossible to find). They were still readable and fit in the *ist-Ds memory slot with tape over the opening where the write protect tab was supposed to go. The fact that the tape also held the two halves of the case together was an extra bonus. The card slot on the K20D has much tighter tolerances and the tape made the cards too thick for insertion. The broken cards were small capacity though 1and 2 gig. respectively, so replacement wasn't all that painful. However CF cards are for all their faults much more robust. Somewhere I still have the 1 gig Sandisk card that I caught my dog tossing in the air and catching when he was puppy. If it was an sd card he would have swallowed it. On 1/31/2013 4:45 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: I havent yet had a sandisk card fall apart. All of my patriot cards have. steve harley wrote: on 2013-01-31 10:11 Paul Stenquist wrote In truth, there are a number of web sites that have tested and rated cards, and the Sandisk Extreme is most frequently recommended. That is in synch with what most of the photographers here have said and my own experience. Here's one review:http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-sd-card/ that review is a hearty mélange of objective and subjective sources all the objective reviews i've seen rate for speed, but not for reliability, yet reliability is what the SanDisk mythology makes people think they are getting -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I havent yet had a sandisk card fall apart. All of my patriot cards have. steve harley wrote: >on 2013-01-31 10:11 Paul Stenquist wrote >> In truth, there are a number of web sites that have tested and rated >cards, and the Sandisk Extreme is most frequently recommended. That is >in synch with what most of the photographers here have said and my own >experience. Here's one >review:http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-sd-card/ > >that review is a hearty mélange of objective and subjective sources > >all the objective reviews i've seen rate for speed, but not for >reliability, >yet reliability is what the SanDisk mythology makes people think they >are getting > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2013-01-30 23:59 Bipin Gupta wrote Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? i answered elsewhere but here it is again — for possible video use and for ad hoc "sneakernet" (copying large files from one computer to another — our computers at home, plus several of my friends' computers, have SD slots) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2013-01-31 10:11 Paul Stenquist wrote In truth, there are a number of web sites that have tested and rated cards, and the Sandisk Extreme is most frequently recommended. That is in synch with what most of the photographers here have said and my own experience. Here's one review:http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-sd-card/ that review is a hearty mélange of objective and subjective sources all the objective reviews i've seen rate for speed, but not for reliability, yet reliability is what the SanDisk mythology makes people think they are getting -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Stan, I do much the same, but no external drive and no international trips either. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: >>> >>> People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go >>> with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that >>> might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB >>> or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card >>> in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the >>> camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it >>> is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, >>> then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the >>> card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images >>> could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that >>> less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage >>> to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes >>> sense to me. >> >> How do you back up your day's shooting? >> -- > > Download to my laptop (using LR) with a backup to an external hard drive. > Depending on card capacity, how many cards I have with me, what is up the > next day, etc. I may just put the card back in the camera or I may store it > and put in a fresh card. At the end of a trip I would like to have three > copies of everything: laptop hard drive, external hard drive, and originals > on the card(s). If I am running short of space on the card(s) I'll go ahead > and reformat one or two but I try to avoid that just to be safe. > > stan > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Like Stan and Bob S I back up the cards on a daily basis. It doesn't take exotic equipment to do it - I use a 4 yer old netbook w/an SD card slot and a 360 gig external drive and just copy the images from the card. Both Irfanview and Faststone Image Viewer do an adequate job if I want to review the day's shooting. -p On 1/31/2013 2:23 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes sense to me. How do you back up your day's shooting? Download to my laptop (using LR) with a backup to an external hard drive. Depending on card capacity, how many cards I have with me, what is up the next day, etc. I may just put the card back in the camera or I may store it and put in a fresh card. At the end of a trip I would like to have three copies of everything: laptop hard drive, external hard drive, and originals on the card(s). If I am running short of space on the card(s) I'll go ahead and reformat one or two but I try to avoid that just to be safe. Okay, so you do pop the card out to download -- that wasn't clear from your previous post. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You could always buy the new Bimbo a digital P&S and take her along, Especially for those long winter nights. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:21 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > His wife divorced him a couple of years ago, so that wasn't a particularly > attractive option. > > On 1/31/2013 3:12 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: >> >> On those big trips, it's foolish not to have a test of all your >> equipment and components. >> He might have found the problem card a bit sooner. >> And bring the wife along with a P&S digital, as a failsafe. >> Regards, Bob S. >> >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:31 PM, P. J. Alling >> wrote: >>> >>> Losing cards is a problem but a card can also becoming non functional, >>> I've >>> had a few physically fall apart making them unusable, but I was able to >>> recover the data from them. However as a cautionary tail a friend of >>> mine, >>> went on a once in a lifetime vacation to southern Africa, intending to do >>> a >>> lot of wildlife shooting. He brought enough SD cards to take several, >>> thousand photos, without having to download them to a computer, he >>> doesn't >>> have a laptop, (shooting JPEG, he doesn't shoot raw), He filled up four >>> cards. When he returned I got a call for help, one of his cards couldn't >>> be >>> read by his computer. I suggested a number of different recovery >>> programs. >>> The third one finally was able to recover data from the card. All of the >>> downloaded files were corrupted. I took a look at it and nothing I tried >>> was >>> able to do better. If you have everything on one card and that card goes >>> south, you loose everything. >>> >>> On 1/31/2013 9:57 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > >> Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB >> Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? > > 1) I don't like to delete files from cards during a vacation, even > after I've copied them to the laptop. So larger cards mean fewer cards > to store, switching less often, etc. Since I back up to the laptop > daily, I'm not too worried about losing more than a day's photos at > once, which is one of the most common objections to large cards. > ... Ditto. People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes sense to me. stan >>> >>> -- >>> Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of >>> funds >>> in the bank account). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds > in the bank account). > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: > On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: >>> >>> People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go >>> with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that >>> might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB >>> or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card >>> in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the >>> camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it >>> is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, >>> then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the >>> card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images >>> could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that >>> less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage >>> to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes >>> sense to me. >> >> How do you back up your day's shooting? > > Download to my laptop (using LR) with a backup to an external hard drive. > > Depending on card capacity, how many cards I have with me, what is up > the next day, etc. I may just put the card back in the camera or I may > store it and put in a fresh card. At the end of a trip I would like > to have three copies of everything: laptop hard drive, external hard > drive, and originals on the card(s). If I am running short of space on > the card(s) I'll go ahead and reformat one or two but I try to avoid > that just to be safe. Okay, so you do pop the card out to download -- that wasn't clear from your previous post. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 31, 2013, at 2:31 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Losing cards is a problem but a card can also becoming non functional, I've > had a few physically fall apart making them unusable, but I was able to > recover the data from them. However as a cautionary tail a friend of mine, > went on a once in a lifetime vacation to southern Africa, intending to do a > lot of wildlife shooting. He brought enough SD cards to take several, > thousand photos, without having to download them to a computer, he doesn't > have a laptop, (shooting JPEG, he doesn't shoot raw), He filled up four > cards. When he returned I got a call for help, one of his cards couldn't be > read by his computer. I suggested a number of different recovery programs. > The third one finally was able to recover data from the card. All of the > downloaded files were corrupted. I took a look at it and nothing I tried was > able to do better. If you have everything on one card and that card goes > south, you loose everything. I do download to my laptop and do a quick review at the end of the day, so it would take multiple catastrophes for me to lose more than one day's shooting. And since I virtually always have two cameras in use, switching cameras rather than switching lenses, I would likely still have 50% of a day's shooting on a good card. stan > > On 1/31/2013 9:57 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: >> On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: >>> Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? >>> 1) I don't like to delete files from cards during a vacation, even >>> after I've copied them to the laptop. So larger cards mean fewer cards >>> to store, switching less often, etc. Since I back up to the laptop >>> daily, I'm not too worried about losing more than a day's photos at >>> once, which is one of the most common objections to large cards. >>> ... >> Ditto. >> >> People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go with >> smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that might be lost. >> I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB or 64GB card in the >> camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card in one day of >> vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the camera all day. The >> only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it is a smaller capacity card >> that I need to swap out during the day, then there would be more chance of >> physically losing or damaging the card during or after a card swap. The >> second kind of "lose" of images could be from a failure of the SD card >> itself. Again, I assume that less handling of the cards will reduce the >> chance of causing damage to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, >> don't swap" makes sense to me. >> >> stan >> >> > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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His wife divorced him a couple of years ago, so that wasn't a particularly attractive option. On 1/31/2013 3:12 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: On those big trips, it's foolish not to have a test of all your equipment and components. He might have found the problem card a bit sooner. And bring the wife along with a P&S digital, as a failsafe. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:31 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Losing cards is a problem but a card can also becoming non functional, I've had a few physically fall apart making them unusable, but I was able to recover the data from them. However as a cautionary tail a friend of mine, went on a once in a lifetime vacation to southern Africa, intending to do a lot of wildlife shooting. He brought enough SD cards to take several, thousand photos, without having to download them to a computer, he doesn't have a laptop, (shooting JPEG, he doesn't shoot raw), He filled up four cards. When he returned I got a call for help, one of his cards couldn't be read by his computer. I suggested a number of different recovery programs. The third one finally was able to recover data from the card. All of the downloaded files were corrupted. I took a look at it and nothing I tried was able to do better. If you have everything on one card and that card goes south, you loose everything. On 1/31/2013 9:57 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? 1) I don't like to delete files from cards during a vacation, even after I've copied them to the laptop. So larger cards mean fewer cards to store, switching less often, etc. Since I back up to the laptop daily, I'm not too worried about losing more than a day's photos at once, which is one of the most common objections to large cards. ... Ditto. People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes sense to me. stan -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: >> >> People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go >> with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that >> might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB >> or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card >> in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the >> camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it >> is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, >> then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the >> card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images >> could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that >> less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage >> to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes >> sense to me. > > How do you back up your day's shooting? > -- Download to my laptop (using LR) with a backup to an external hard drive. Depending on card capacity, how many cards I have with me, what is up the next day, etc. I may just put the card back in the camera or I may store it and put in a fresh card. At the end of a trip I would like to have three copies of everything: laptop hard drive, external hard drive, and originals on the card(s). If I am running short of space on the card(s) I'll go ahead and reformat one or two but I try to avoid that just to be safe. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On those big trips, it's foolish not to have a test of all your equipment and components. He might have found the problem card a bit sooner. And bring the wife along with a P&S digital, as a failsafe. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:31 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Losing cards is a problem but a card can also becoming non functional, I've > had a few physically fall apart making them unusable, but I was able to > recover the data from them. However as a cautionary tail a friend of mine, > went on a once in a lifetime vacation to southern Africa, intending to do a > lot of wildlife shooting. He brought enough SD cards to take several, > thousand photos, without having to download them to a computer, he doesn't > have a laptop, (shooting JPEG, he doesn't shoot raw), He filled up four > cards. When he returned I got a call for help, one of his cards couldn't be > read by his computer. I suggested a number of different recovery programs. > The third one finally was able to recover data from the card. All of the > downloaded files were corrupted. I took a look at it and nothing I tried was > able to do better. If you have everything on one card and that card goes > south, you loose everything. > > On 1/31/2013 9:57 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: >> >> On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: >>> Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? >>> >>> 1) I don't like to delete files from cards during a vacation, even >>> after I've copied them to the laptop. So larger cards mean fewer cards >>> to store, switching less often, etc. Since I back up to the laptop >>> daily, I'm not too worried about losing more than a day's photos at >>> once, which is one of the most common objections to large cards. >>> ... >> >> Ditto. >> >> >> People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go with >> smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that might be lost. >> I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB or 64GB card in the >> camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card in one day of >> vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the camera all day. The >> only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it is a smaller capacity card >> that I need to swap out during the day, then there would be more chance of >> physically losing or damaging the card during or after a card swap. The >> second kind of "lose" of images could be from a failure of the SD card >> itself. Again, I assume that less handling of the cards will reduce the >> chance of causing damage to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, >> don't swap" makes sense to me. >> >> stan >> >> > > > -- > Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds > in the bank account). > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Take a laptop along and download when returning to your abode. With the bigger cards, you can go 2 or 3 days before downloading. And the laptop is good for editing, review of the day. Lightroom is free (loading on Desktop + Laptop is SOP). And you've got your first backup copy set, another on the desktop later. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: >> >> People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go >> with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that >> might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB >> or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card >> in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the >> camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it >> is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, >> then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the >> card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images >> could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that >> less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage >> to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes >> sense to me. > > How do you back up your day's shooting? > -- > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ > <*> <*> <*> > Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Losing cards is a problem but a card can also becoming non functional, I've had a few physically fall apart making them unusable, but I was able to recover the data from them. However as a cautionary tail a friend of mine, went on a once in a lifetime vacation to southern Africa, intending to do a lot of wildlife shooting. He brought enough SD cards to take several, thousand photos, without having to download them to a computer, he doesn't have a laptop, (shooting JPEG, he doesn't shoot raw), He filled up four cards. When he returned I got a call for help, one of his cards couldn't be read by his computer. I suggested a number of different recovery programs. The third one finally was able to recover data from the card. All of the downloaded files were corrupted. I took a look at it and nothing I tried was able to do better. If you have everything on one card and that card goes south, you loose everything. On 1/31/2013 9:57 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? 1) I don't like to delete files from cards during a vacation, even after I've copied them to the laptop. So larger cards mean fewer cards to store, switching less often, etc. Since I back up to the laptop daily, I'm not too worried about losing more than a day's photos at once, which is one of the most common objections to large cards. ... Ditto. People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes sense to me. stan -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2013, Stan Halpin wrote: > > People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go > with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that > might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB > or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card > in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the > camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it > is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, > then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the > card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images > could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that > less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage > to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes > sense to me. How do you back up your day's shooting? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In truth, there are a number of web sites that have tested and rated cards, and the Sandisk Extreme is most frequently recommended. That is in synch with what most of the photographers here have said and my own experience. Here's one review: http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-sd-card/ On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:53 AM, George Sinos wrote: > Your going to get all kinds of advice. > > On Name brand vs. "generic" brands. You'll hear people swear by one > or the other. There are not enough photographers here that buy enough > cards for any of their experience to be statically valid. So, most > people are really working on gut feel and superstition. Once you have > a card failure from any brand, it's unlikely you'll buy that brand > again. All brands.eventually have failures. I prefer to buy from a > company that stands behind their products and is worried about losing > their reputation. That is most of them. > > These days, cards are one of the least expensive parts of your kit. > Plan for replacing them with bigger, faster cards in the future. The > next time you buy a camera body it will likely require a faster card > to maximize performance. > > My personal strategy, is simple. When I need a new card, I buy the > biggest, fastest card I can get for under $100 from the local camera > shop. They don't like to sell stuff that gives them trouble and they > want to see me come back for happy reasons, not to exchange a bad > card. > > My newest cards are 32 Gbytes. That's a capacity of about 400 raw > files. That usually covers about 2-3 hours of event shooting. I > carry two 32Gbyte cards to an event with a couple of "just in case" > spares in a Think Tank card wallet. Empties are label up. Filled > cards are label down. > > My camera has two card slots. Once is CF the other is SD. I shoot > raw+jpeg. Raw files go to the CF card, JPEG files go to the SD card. > That gives me one level of > in-camera backup and if I have an immediate need for jpegs at the > event, they are ready to go. > > I don't generally shoot video, but I buy cards that are fast enough to > handle it "just in case" I want to. > > Other than events, I seldom fill a 32 gig card. > > That works for me, for events. Your needs will be different. > > So, my advice, buy something of adequate size and speed for your needs > from a reputable dealer that wants to keep your business. Don't spend > a fortune and don't buy the cheapest card. Don't waste to much time > worrying about it. Get out there and shoot. > > GS > > > George Sinos > > gsi...@gmail.com > www.georgesphotos.net > plus.georgesinos.com > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Stan Halpin > wrote: >> >> On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: >>> Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? >>> >>> 1) I don't like to delete files from cards during a vacation, even >>> after I've copied them to the laptop. So larger cards mean fewer cards >>> to store, switching less often, etc. Since I back up to the laptop >>> daily, I'm not too worried about losing more than a day's photos at >>> once, which is one of the most common objections to large cards. >>> ... >> >> Ditto. >> >> People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go with >> smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that might be lost. >> I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB or 64GB card in the >> camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card in one day of >> vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the camera all day. The >> only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it is a smaller capacity card >> that I need to swap out during the day, then there would be more chance of >> physically losing or damaging the card during or after a card swap. The >> second kind of "lose" of images could be from a failure of the SD card >> itself. Again, I assume that less handling of the cards will reduce the >> chance of causing damage to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, >> don't swap" makes sense to me. >> >> stan >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Your going to get all kinds of advice. On Name brand vs. "generic" brands. You'll hear people swear by one or the other. There are not enough photographers here that buy enough cards for any of their experience to be statically valid. So, most people are really working on gut feel and superstition. Once you have a card failure from any brand, it's unlikely you'll buy that brand again. All brands.eventually have failures. I prefer to buy from a company that stands behind their products and is worried about losing their reputation. That is most of them. These days, cards are one of the least expensive parts of your kit. Plan for replacing them with bigger, faster cards in the future. The next time you buy a camera body it will likely require a faster card to maximize performance. My personal strategy, is simple. When I need a new card, I buy the biggest, fastest card I can get for under $100 from the local camera shop. They don't like to sell stuff that gives them trouble and they want to see me come back for happy reasons, not to exchange a bad card. My newest cards are 32 Gbytes. That's a capacity of about 400 raw files. That usually covers about 2-3 hours of event shooting. I carry two 32Gbyte cards to an event with a couple of "just in case" spares in a Think Tank card wallet. Empties are label up. Filled cards are label down. My camera has two card slots. Once is CF the other is SD. I shoot raw+jpeg. Raw files go to the CF card, JPEG files go to the SD card. That gives me one level of in-camera backup and if I have an immediate need for jpegs at the event, they are ready to go. I don't generally shoot video, but I buy cards that are fast enough to handle it "just in case" I want to. Other than events, I seldom fill a 32 gig card. That works for me, for events. Your needs will be different. So, my advice, buy something of adequate size and speed for your needs from a reputable dealer that wants to keep your business. Don't spend a fortune and don't buy the cheapest card. Don't waste to much time worrying about it. Get out there and shoot. GS George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: >> >>> Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB >>> Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? >> >> 1) I don't like to delete files from cards during a vacation, even >> after I've copied them to the laptop. So larger cards mean fewer cards >> to store, switching less often, etc. Since I back up to the laptop >> daily, I'm not too worried about losing more than a day's photos at >> once, which is one of the most common objections to large cards. >> ... > > Ditto. > > People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go with > smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that might be lost. > I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB or 64GB card in the > camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card in one day of > vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the camera all day. The only > way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it is a smaller capacity card that I > need to swap out during the day, then there would be more chance of > physically losing or damaging the card during or after a card swap. The > second kind of "lose" of images could be from a failure of the SD card > itself. Again, I assume that less handling of the cards will reduce the > chance of causing damage to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, > don't swap" makes sense to me. > > stan > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > >> Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB >> Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? > > 1) I don't like to delete files from cards during a vacation, even > after I've copied them to the laptop. So larger cards mean fewer cards > to store, switching less often, etc. Since I back up to the laptop > daily, I'm not too worried about losing more than a day's photos at > once, which is one of the most common objections to large cards. > ... Ditto. People have mentioned a concern with "losing" cards as a reason to go with smaller cards, thereby minimizing the quantity of images that might be lost. I have two thoughts about that. First, if it is a 32GB or 64GB card in the camera and I almost certainly won't fill the card in one day of vacation/travel shooting, then the card stays in the camera all day. The only way to lose it is to lose the camera. If it is a smaller capacity card that I need to swap out during the day, then there would be more chance of physically losing or damaging the card during or after a card swap. The second kind of "lose" of images could be from a failure of the SD card itself. Again, I assume that less handling of the cards will reduce the chance of causing damage to the cards, and again the strategy of "big card, don't swap" makes sense to me. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB > Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? 1) I don't like to delete files from cards during a vacation, even after I've copied them to the laptop. So larger cards mean fewer cards to store, switching less often, etc. Since I back up to the laptop daily, I'm not too worried about losing more than a day's photos at once, which is one of the most common objections to large cards. 2) Big cards are good for shooting video, even if it's just occasional. Since I still have a K10D this doesn't apply to me yet, but I had it in mind when I bought the 16 GB and 32 GB cards. 3) Sometimes I like to play around with things like time-lapse that generate a whole lot of images. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 31 January 2013 21:27, Bruce Walker wrote: > Simple: I use a 16 GB because I repeatedly filled-up my 8 GB cards > during shoots. :-) > > I dislike finding I have to change cards in normal shooting. I > invariably lose a couple of shots before discovering that the card is > full, and it's distracting. But stopping to fiddle with the camera is > *especially* bad in studio shooting because it breaks the flow. Same here, I shoot a lot of music gigs these days and having to change the SD card mid set could result in missing some happening of note on stage so I run with 32GB (Sandisk Ultra's I think) cards in two cameras. I also can't afford to be swapping lenses so I run one camera with 17-50/2.8 and the other with the 70-200/2.8 and often I have 10-16 GB of files at the end of the gig between the bodies, the split and volume depends upon the type and dynamics of the performance. Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Simple: I use a 16 GB because I repeatedly filled-up my 8 GB cards during shoots. :-) I dislike finding I have to change cards in normal shooting. I invariably lose a couple of shots before discovering that the card is full, and it's distracting. But stopping to fiddle with the camera is *especially* bad in studio shooting because it breaks the flow. When the shoot is going well there's a rhythm and energy that builds between the photographer and model. Any kind of interruption at all, even to chimp, can ruin that and you can lose way more than a couple of shots. If the model is interacting well I take shots as fast as the lights can recycle; under a second if they aren't at high power. I have a K20D, shoot only RAW, and I get somewhere between 200 and 300 shots on the 16 GB card. Were I to get a K-5IIs I'd have to get a 64 GB card because the RAWs are more than twice as big as the K20D. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB > Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? > I use mostly 8 GB + 4 GB extreme Sandisk Cards - agree they are the > best, reliable and safer too as Bruce puts it. > While in Cologne, Germany, I visited Media Mart, the biggest Camera & > Electronic super market in Europe, and bought some 8 GB HAMA 10x cards > on sale. They are pretty good. > As an amateur photographer it takes me literally days to fill up an 8 > GB card. And if I ever loose one I have lost only 8 GB and not 16 GB. > Regards. > Bipin. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:59 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB > Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? You may not fill it up in a shoot, but you could fill it up in a vacation. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I rarely fill up even a 2G card in a single shoot. (I tend to shoot with digital much the way I shoot with medium format film ...) But, it's nice to have lots of space for the rare occasions when I will shoot a LOT in a short period of time. At the present prices, a 16 or 32 G card is just too cheap to pass by. G On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > Hello Bruce and PDMLer Friends, That is the question: why buy 16 GB > Cards when you can't fill it up in a shoot?? > I use mostly 8 GB + 4 GB extreme Sandisk Cards - agree they are the > best, reliable and safer too as Bruce puts it. > While in Cologne, Germany, I visited Media Mart, the biggest Camera & > Electronic super market in Europe, and bought some 8 GB HAMA 10x cards > on sale. They are pretty good. > As an amateur photographer it takes me literally days to fill up an 8 > GB card. And if I ever loose one I have lost only 8 GB and not 16 GB. > Regards. > Bipin. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I started out using Patriot SD cards, which were very cheap at Fry's. They pretty much all worked fine electrically, even after they started falling apart physically. I had decent luck with Transcend 8GB cards, but when it got down to $40 for a 32GB Sandisk Extreme, I just started going with them. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My wife presented me with a 16gb card that she had washed and dried...and it's not the first time! Each card worked fine after the wash and dry cycle. They are tougher than they look. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:42 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Aahz Maruch >> >> Howdy, >> >> Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person >> decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on >> kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be Pentax). >> >> So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD >> cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, >> particularly people with K-5/K-30. >> >> -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 >> http://rule6.info/ >> <*> <*> <*> >> "Red meat isn't bad for you, fuzzy green meat is bad for you." >> > > I've been using 4GB cards with the K-10D and 8GB cards with the K-20D. I'd > probably go with at least 16GB cards for a K-5. > > Tiger Direct has a retail store here, and I get almost all of my memory > cards from them. Prices on 16GB Class10 SDHC cards today are about what I > paid for 4GB & 8GB Class 4 cards ($12.99), and 32GB Class10 SDHC cards were > $22.99. > > I tend to fill the cards up & swap them out for the one in the battery grip > before downloading them to my computer. Because of that, I prefer to have > more small capacity cards on hand rather than fewer large capacity cards. > > That way, I will lose fewer images that way if I do manage to screw up a > card. > > OTOH, I found an SD card in the dryer a while back that I had apparently put > into my shirt pocket after downloading and it was still readable after > having gone through a wash & dry cycle (no bleach). > > So far, I've only ever had one card failure (the first 4GB CF card I bought > for my *ist-D) that did not involve destruction of the plastic case > > Will 32GB Class10 SDHC cards work with the K-20D? > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Same here: 16 G Sandusk extreme and extreme pro. I own some transcend cards as well but haven't used them for quite some time. Paul via phone On Jan 30, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Mark C wrote: > I use Sandisk Extreme and Sandisk Extreme Pro cards. I don't see much > difference in performance with the K-5 or the Q so the Extreme would probably > be the best option. I'm starting to switch from 8 gb cards to 16 gb, though I > rarely fill a 16gb card in a single session. > > Mark > > > On 1/30/2013 1:57 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person >> decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on >> kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be Pentax). >> >> So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD >> cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, >> particularly people with K-5/K-30. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013, l...@red4est.com wrote: > > Copy your raw files to external drives each day and keep a spare copy > of the files on the cards until you get home. I'm expecting to rent a GoPro to sit on the ship rail for timelapse photography (plus likely other random usage for photos and video). Even a 64GB card won't hold an entire trip's worth of pictures for that, so I'm operating on the mindset that the external drives are critical (i.e. at least two of them). -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013, John Sessoms wrote: >Aahz: >>On Wed, Jan 30, 2013, Rick Womer wrote: >>> >>>It's terrible that Larry has forced you into this. We'll try to be >>>merciful (maybe!). >> >>What is this "mercy" of which you speak? > > You don't get thrown into a pun thread on your very first post. The shortest distance between two puns is a straight line, of course. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Back when I was shooting with Pentax *ist DS and K10D, I had standardized on 2G Sandisk Extreme cards. Then, 2008ish onwards, I standardized on 8G Sandisk Extremes with Panasonic L1 and G1 bodies. Last year, I upgraded to 16 and 32 G Sandisk Extreme and HP Class 10s, shooting with Ricoh GXR-M and Leica M9. With a 32G card in the Leica M9, I can make about 1500 JPEG + raw, 18Mpixel exposures per card. This means I need to carry about three-four cards to cover the entirety of a three week photo trip to the UK, with double redundancy (I normally find myself shooting about 1500-2000 exposures on these trips). The funny part of this, to me anyway, is that the other cameras I carry much of the time these days take 12 exposures on a roll of 120 film. ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/30/2013 6:49 PM, John Sessoms wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013, Rick Womer wrote: It's terrible that Larry has forced you into this. We'll try to be merciful (maybe!). What is this "mercy" of which you speak? You don't get thrown into a pun thread on your very first post. Too late. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I use Sandisk Extreme and Sandisk Extreme Pro cards. I don't see much difference in performance with the K-5 or the Q so the Extreme would probably be the best option. I'm starting to switch from 8 gb cards to 16 gb, though I rarely fill a 16gb card in a single session. Mark On 1/30/2013 1:57 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Howdy, Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be Pentax). So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, particularly people with K-5/K-30. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013, Rick Womer wrote: It's terrible that Larry has forced you into this. We'll try to be merciful (maybe!). What is this "mercy" of which you speak? You don't get thrown into a pun thread on your very first post. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2013-01-30 16:42 John Sessoms wrote Will 32GB Class10 SDHC cards work with the K-20D? i have such a card that works fine with my K200d, which came out the same year as K20d -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Aahz Maruch Howdy, Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be Pentax). So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, particularly people with K-5/K-30. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> "Red meat isn't bad for you, fuzzy green meat is bad for you." I've been using 4GB cards with the K-10D and 8GB cards with the K-20D. I'd probably go with at least 16GB cards for a K-5. Tiger Direct has a retail store here, and I get almost all of my memory cards from them. Prices on 16GB Class10 SDHC cards today are about what I paid for 4GB & 8GB Class 4 cards ($12.99), and 32GB Class10 SDHC cards were $22.99. I tend to fill the cards up & swap them out for the one in the battery grip before downloading them to my computer. Because of that, I prefer to have more small capacity cards on hand rather than fewer large capacity cards. That way, I will lose fewer images that way if I do manage to screw up a card. OTOH, I found an SD card in the dryer a while back that I had apparently put into my shirt pocket after downloading and it was still readable after having gone through a wash & dry cycle (no bleach). So far, I've only ever had one card failure (the first 4GB CF card I bought for my *ist-D) that did not involve destruction of the plastic case Will 32GB Class10 SDHC cards work with the K-20D? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2013-01-30 11:57 Aahz Maruch wrote I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, particularly people with K-5/K-30. i don't buy the Sandisk mythology; i've been using a no-name "Team" 32GB Class 10 card for the last 6 months, only one month of which i've had a K-5; absolutely no problems; speed is plenty for my uses and as for "risk" of losing lots of images, there's no rule you have to fill the card; i've rarely even filled 8GB cards (but when i did, it was inconvenient); i got a large card for possible video use and because i occasionally use SD cards for old-fashioned sneakernet i also use an ADATA class 10 8GB card as a backup, and have used several other "off brands" of class 6 & class 10 cards over the years; none have died and most are still in use in other cameras; only two or three times did i encounter a single corrupt image in tens of thousands of shots on my K200d -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Welcome aboard Aahz By now you've gotten the combined wisdom of the list on SD cards, I can only add that I only use San Disk Extreme cards but I mainly shoot 2.0 GB size - that way if I lose a card I won't be loosing hundreds of images & a 2.0 GB card is nicely filled during a day of shooting for me. BTW last August I took a 9 day 'cruise' on the Inside Passage on a 62 passenger, 150' 'Expedition Boat' definitely not your typical cruise ship. I carried 3 lenses - a 300, 70-210 & 28-80 and a 1.4 teleconvertor -had no need for any other lenses. We went late August and had phenomenal weather - mostly sunny with temps in the low 50's to high 60's during the day. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Aahz Maruch" Subject: SD Card Survey Howdy, Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be Pentax). So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, particularly people with K-5/K-30. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> "Red meat isn't bad for you, fuzzy green meat is bad for you." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Does anyone have a link to the spectacular shot of an Alaskan glacier that was posted here some time ago? I'd guess it was a Denali shot by Ken Waller, Ask and you shall receive John. Is this the image you were referring to? http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16842892 It wasn't taken in Denali, but from a tour boat in Portage Lake. It was hand held with a 300mm f4.4 FA and a 1.4 teleconvertor, probably on a PZ1P or an MZ-S. Its been published in Outdoor Photographer and won first place in Epson's 'Around the World' photo contest, & used in their advertising for which Epson gave me a wide format printer. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "John Francis" Subject: Re: SD Card Survey On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 02:45:37PM -0500, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > It's terrible that Larry has forced you into this. We'll try to be > merciful (maybe!). I assume that anyone who associates with Larry can deal with the rest of us. We'll find out - Aahz will be trying the heft of my K-5 & 60-250 this weekend. So if we don't hear from him after that perhaps immunity to Larry doesn't mean that everybody else in the PDML is acceptable. Does anyone have a link to the spectacular shot of an Alaskan glacier that was posted here some time ago? I'd guess it was a Denali shot by Ken Waller, but my Google-fu is weak today. I think the shot was taken with the 600/f4. P.S. Aahz - don't believe anything Frank or Cotty or various Bobs say ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Mark Roberts : John Francis wrote: Does anyone have a link to the spectacular shot of an Alaskan glacier that was posted here some time ago? I'd guess it was a Denali shot by Ken Waller, but my Google-fu is weak today. I think the shot was taken with the 600/f4. I think you're referring to the one he sent in for the PDML Photo Annual 2011. There's a smallish version on line at http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/2011/gallery/pdml017.html ...or possibly this one in the PUG from August 2011: http://pug.komkon.org/11aug/slides/KW-NorthFace-B+W.html -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Francis wrote: >Does anyone have a link to the spectacular shot of an Alaskan glacier that >was posted here some time ago? I'd guess it was a Denali shot by Ken Waller, >but my Google-fu is weak today. I think the shot was taken with the 600/f4. I think you're referring to the one he sent in for the PDML Photo Annual 2011. There's a smallish version on line at http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/2011/gallery/pdml017.html -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 30, 2013, at 13:05 , Bruce Walker wrote: > Welcome aboard, Aahz! > > SanDisk Extreme 16GB is my choice. You can't get any safer and > reliable than that. > I'm with Bruce on this. Takes a lot to fill 16GB. I've only ever done it at very long concerts. Brand-name makes a difference. I had a "Centon" 16GB "Class 10" card which was in every way slower than my Sandisk Ultra-II 4-gig "Class 4" Stick with the SanDisk Extremes 16GB and you'll be happy. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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However faster card s offload to the computer faster. Make sure you get a fast card reader though. Aahz Maruch wrote: >On Wed, Jan 30, 2013, Rick Womer wrote: >> >> It's terrible that Larry has forced you into this. We'll try to be >> merciful (maybe!). > >What is this "mercy" of which you speak? > >> Recently I bought an Extreme Pro 90MB/s card, and compared write and >> read speeds with a 45MB/s card in the K-5. There was no difference, >> except that the faster card cost twice as much. > >That's exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks! (And also to everyone >participating in this thread.) I'm already using a 16GB Extreme in my >P7100, good to have confirmation that the slow writes are the camera >and >not the card (which is what I expected per various reviews). -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think that tbe last time I bought sandisk extreme the best value were the 32GB cards. They have the advantage of not needing to swap them out often. Copy your raw files to external drives each day and keep a spare copy of the files on the cards until you get home. Aahz Maruch wrote: >Howdy, > >Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person >decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on >kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be >Pentax). > >So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD >cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, >particularly people with K-5/K-30. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013, Rick Womer wrote: > > It's terrible that Larry has forced you into this. We'll try to be > merciful (maybe!). What is this "mercy" of which you speak? > Recently I bought an Extreme Pro 90MB/s card, and compared write and > read speeds with a 45MB/s card in the K-5. There was no difference, > except that the faster card cost twice as much. That's exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks! (And also to everyone participating in this thread.) I'm already using a 16GB Extreme in my P7100, good to have confirmation that the slow writes are the camera and not the card (which is what I expected per various reviews). -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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SanDisk class 4 8GB sdhc card, holds more than enough shots from my istDS and seems fast enough for the camera. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: SD Card Survey Better to lose 8gb worth of pictures than 32just sayinoften when I need a card only radio shack is close and I need one that day so rather than pay their insane prices I just buy a reasonable 8gb. Bruce Walker wrote: >Camera gear investment: a few thousand bucks >Once in a lifetime cruise: many thousands of bucks > >> I use class 10 8gb cards. They are dirt cheap. [...] If one fails I >lost 10 bux and some pictures. > >Priceless! > > >On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Zos Xavius >wrote: >> I use class 10 8gb cards. They are dirt cheap. On a k-5 I get like >230 shots or so. When one runs full I just pop another in. If one >fails I lost 10 bux and some pictures. That's almost the equivalent of >10 rolls of film so that should be enough for a lot of people. >> >> Aahz Maruch wrote: >> >>>Howdy, >>> >>>Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR >person >>>decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice >on >>>kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be >>>Pentax). >>> >>>So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD >>>cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are >using, >>>particularly people with K-5/K-30. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Better to lose 8gb worth of pictures than 32just sayinoften when I need a card only radio shack is close and I need one that day so rather than pay their insane prices I just buy a reasonable 8gb. Bruce Walker wrote: >Camera gear investment: a few thousand bucks >Once in a lifetime cruise: many thousands of bucks > >> I use class 10 8gb cards. They are dirt cheap. [...] If one fails I >lost 10 bux and some pictures. > >Priceless! > > >On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Zos Xavius >wrote: >> I use class 10 8gb cards. They are dirt cheap. On a k-5 I get like >230 shots or so. When one runs full I just pop another in. If one >fails I lost 10 bux and some pictures. That's almost the equivalent of >10 rolls of film so that should be enough for a lot of people. >> >> Aahz Maruch wrote: >> >>>Howdy, >>> >>>Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR >person >>>decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice >on >>>kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be >>>Pentax). >>> >>>So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD >>>cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are >using, >>>particularly people with K-5/K-30. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Camera gear investment: a few thousand bucks Once in a lifetime cruise: many thousands of bucks > I use class 10 8gb cards. They are dirt cheap. [...] If one fails I lost 10 > bux and some pictures. Priceless! On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: > I use class 10 8gb cards. They are dirt cheap. On a k-5 I get like 230 > shots or so. When one runs full I just pop another in. If one fails I > lost 10 bux and some pictures. That's almost the equivalent of 10 rolls of > film so that should be enough for a lot of people. > > Aahz Maruch wrote: > >>Howdy, >> >>Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person >>decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on >>kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be >>Pentax). >> >>So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD >>cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, >>particularly people with K-5/K-30. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 02:45:37PM -0500, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > > > It's terrible that Larry has forced you into this. We'll try to be > > merciful (maybe!). > > I assume that anyone who associates with Larry can deal with the rest of us. We'll find out - Aahz will be trying the heft of my K-5 & 60-250 this weekend. So if we don't hear from him after that perhaps immunity to Larry doesn't mean that everybody else in the PDML is acceptable. Does anyone have a link to the spectacular shot of an Alaskan glacier that was posted here some time ago? I'd guess it was a Denali shot by Ken Waller, but my Google-fu is weak today. I think the shot was taken with the 600/f4. P.S. Aahz - don't believe anything Frank or Cotty or various Bobs say ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 02:05:42PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: > Welcome aboard, Aahz! > > SanDisk Extreme 16GB is my choice. You can't get any safer and > reliable than that. I've only got the Ultras, not the Extreme. I started off with 8GBs when I bought my K-5, but when I was in Texas in November for the USGP I picked up a couple of the 16GB cards "just in case". At that time the Extremes (45 MB/s, rather than the 30MB/s Ultras) were a lot more expensive, but nowadays both seem to be around $1/GB. Today I'd buy the Extremes. The K-5 might not be able to make use of the extra speed, but maybe your next camera will ... Larger capacity cards mean you don't have to change them as often (a serious consideration in adverse conditions, or at big events), but it's putting a lot more images at risk should the card fail. I agree with Bruce that 16GB is a good compromise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > It's terrible that Larry has forced you into this. We'll try to be merciful > (maybe!). I assume that anyone who associates with Larry can deal with the rest of us. I mostly use a Sandisk Extreme 16 GB and a HP 32 GB card in my K10D. Large, high-quality cards like the Sandisk Extreme are so inexpensive now that I see little reason to skimp. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's terrible that Larry has forced you into this. We'll try to be merciful (maybe!). In my K-5 I usually use SanDisk Extreme 8GB cards. They hold about 300 DNG files (a lot more than the camera says it will hold when you first turn it on). I don't like putting too many eggs in one basket, and since I'm not doing high-volume shoots (such as a big wedding) I rarely have to change cards. Recently I bought an Extreme Pro 90MB/s card, and compared write and read speeds with a 45MB/s card in the K-5. There was no difference, except that the faster card cost twice as much. Cheers, Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Aahz Maruch To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: SD Card Survey Howdy, Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be Pentax). So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, particularly people with K-5/K-30. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> "Red meat isn't bad for you, fuzzy green meat is bad for you." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Welcome, Aahz! Galia (my daughter) is using 16GB SanDisk card. I think it is SD Extreme or whatever. I am using Patriot LX 64GB SDXC card (which is total accident, really, as it was bought for a very different purpose). In order to use it reliably, I had to upgrade firmware of both our K-5 to version 1.13 (I think it is the very latest one). Otherwise, every now and then the resulting image would come out unreadable by the camera itself and garbled in my LightRoom. The link to my card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220496 On 1/30/2013 8:57 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Howdy, Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be Pentax). So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, particularly people with K-5/K-30. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/30/2013 1:57 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Howdy, Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be Pentax). So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, particularly people with K-5/K-30. I'm still using a K20D but the for what it's worth I use a couple of 8 Gig PNY class 10 that are my primary storage. For backup I have a selection of 2 and 4 gig Class 6 PNY and Sandisk cards. I don't really see any difference in performance between the Sandisk and PNY cards of the same class, except that when newly formatted, the K20D reports that the PNY cards can record one more image than the Sandisk cards of the same size. You might want to look into 16 Gig sized cards, to have a reasonable amount of storage per card, based on the difference in file size between the K-5 and K20D. I find that I can store about 330 K20D images on an 8 gig card. (funny how spoiled you get, how did I ever get along limited to just 36 exposures on a roll of film, when did that become unreasonable). -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've have Patriot and Kingston 16gb plus some Patriot LX 32gb cards, speed class 10 if possible. I buy cheap stuff, less than $1 per gb, sometimes $.50 per gb at Frys. The cards hold a lot of pictures (300+ each), and are tiny. I get nervous having so many per card. Take a laptop and download to it. If you shoot like Larry, you'll have lots of pictures. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > Howdy, > > Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person > decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on > kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be Pentax). > > So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD > cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, > particularly people with K-5/K-30. > -- > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ > <*> <*> <*> > "Red meat isn't bad for you, fuzzy green meat is bad for you." > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I use class 10 8gb cards. They are dirt cheap. On a k-5 I get like 230 shots or so. When one runs full I just pop another in. If one fails I lost 10 bux and some pictures. That's almost the equivalent of 10 rolls of film so that should be enough for a lot of people. Aahz Maruch wrote: >Howdy, > >Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person >decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on >kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be >Pentax). > >So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD >cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, >particularly people with K-5/K-30. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Welcome aboard, Aahz! SanDisk Extreme 16GB is my choice. You can't get any safer and reliable than that. I also have some older 8 GB and 4 GB Extremes but they mostly just gather kit-bag lint as I've never filled-up the 16 GB on a shoot. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > Howdy, > > Larry Colen "made" me join this list (I used to be a Pentax SLR person > decades ago, currently have a Nikon P7100, Larry's giving me advice on > kit to rent for a mid-May Alaska cruise, which will of course be Pentax). > > So I checked the archives and don't see any recent threads about SD > cards, and I'm wondering what size and kinds of cards people are using, > particularly people with K-5/K-30. > -- > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ > <*> <*> <*> > "Red meat isn't bad for you, fuzzy green meat is bad for you." > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
