Re: Strange thing

[John Sessoms]

I didn't even know about that one. What I remember affected manual focus 
lenses & bodies.


But it may have been more or less the same problem, an extra part that 
caused the lens to get stuck.


On 9/7/2022 5:46 PM, Richard Dell wrote:

Ricoh added an extra  contact pin, which would get "caught" in the AF screw 
area or such.  I've removed some for using Ricoh tele-extenders.

https://austerityphoto.co.uk/k-mount-lens-carnage-with-the-infamous-ricoh-pin/

On September 7, 2022 1:38:45 PM AKDT, John Sessoms  
wrote:

I vaguely remember there was a problem either with Ricoh cameras or Ricoh 
lenses back in film days. They used the K-mount bayonet, but there was 
something they did different and either Ricoh lenses would get stuck if you 
mounted them on a Pentax camera or Pentax lenses would get stuck on Ricoh 
cameras.

I wish I remembered more specifically what the problem was, and I don't know if 
this relates to Bob's problem, but I hope it might somehow help.


On 9/6/2022 11:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Hi Bob!

Hmm. I'd seen some odd-ball Pentax lens mount stuff over the days when I was 
mucking with a bunch of Pentax -M and -A lenses and adapters. Never had a 
120mm, I'd be interested to see what the rear mounting flange looks like. I 
know a couple of Pentax lenses had to have the diaphragm control lever modified 
to fit one or another lens mount adapter out of the bunch that I had…

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On Sep 5, 2022, at 7:12 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:

Well, two strange things really.

First is an on-topic message from me.

Second is an oddity with a Pentax-M 120mm f2.8 lens that I have.

If anyone here has one of these, could you please compare the back of it with 
your other M lenses?

I have been doing some informal ‘shoot outs’ with my Pentax-M lenses and my 
Leica lenses, and will put them online if anyone is interested. Anyway, I have 
been using my Leica M10 monochrome body for all the shots, and a Novoflex 
adapter for the Pentax lenses, without any problems.

Except that the 120mm lens doesn’t fit the adapter.

On closer inspection, the bit at the back (sorry for the technical jargon) of 
the 120mm lens where the aperture levers are is significantly different from 
the other lenses. The photos at this link show you. The 120mm is on the left; 
the other lens is a 135mm, which is about the same size.

(A link to some pictures should go here, but the server keeps rejecting my 
emails with links. I’ll try to find another way of showing the pictures).

On the 135mm and other lenses there are some concentric grooves at the back, 
and it is stepped down. The 120mm is plain, and doesn’t have the step.

On the adapter there is a flange which goes down into the dropped part of the 
step when you put a lens on, and of course it can’t do this on the plain back 
end of the 120mm, so the adapter won’t go on the lens.

The lens fits my Pentax MX fine, as well as a number of other MXes I’ve been 
evaluating with a view to buying a new one. As far as I know it doesn’t affect 
anything when shooting. However, I need to test this lens specifically as any 
problems it causes may have become mixed up with problems which have caused me 
to reject other cameras.

It’s possible that someone has had the lens altered for some reason, although 
it is otherwise mint-, but it looks almost like a KF mount.

Anybody else have one like this?

Thanks,
Bob

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Re: Strange thing

[Larry Colen]

> On Sep 7, 2022, at 2:38 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> I vaguely remember there was a problem either with Ricoh cameras or Ricoh 
> lenses back in film days. They used the K-mount bayonet, but there was 
> something they did different and either Ricoh lenses would get stuck if you 
> mounted them on a Pentax camera or Pentax lenses would get stuck on Ricoh 
> cameras.
> 
> I wish I remembered more specifically what the problem was, and I don't know 
> if this relates to Bob's problem, but I hope it might somehow help.

There was a pin on Ricoh lenses that would catch on something on a Pentax body 
and you wouldn’t be able to take the lens off the body.

> 
> 
> On 9/6/2022 11:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> Hi Bob!
>> Hmm. I'd seen some odd-ball Pentax lens mount stuff over the days when I was 
>> mucking with a bunch of Pentax -M and -A lenses and adapters. Never had a 
>> 120mm, I'd be interested to see what the rear mounting flange looks like. I 
>> know a couple of Pentax lenses had to have the diaphragm control lever 
>> modified to fit one or another lens mount adapter out of the bunch that I 
>> had…
>> If the server kills your email if you embed a link, drop a line to my 
>> personal email. :)
>> G
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>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 7:12 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, two strange things really.
>>> 
>>> First is an on-topic message from me.
>>> 
>>> Second is an oddity with a Pentax-M 120mm f2.8 lens that I have.
>>> 
>>> If anyone here has one of these, could you please compare the back of it 
>>> with your other M lenses?
>>> 
>>> I have been doing some informal ‘shoot outs’ with my Pentax-M lenses and my 
>>> Leica lenses, and will put them online if anyone is interested. Anyway, I 
>>> have been using my Leica M10 monochrome body for all the shots, and a 
>>> Novoflex adapter for the Pentax lenses, without any problems.
>>> 
>>> Except that the 120mm lens doesn’t fit the adapter.
>>> 
>>> On closer inspection, the bit at the back (sorry for the technical jargon) 
>>> of the 120mm lens where the aperture levers are is significantly different 
>>> from the other lenses. The photos at this link show you. The 120mm is on 
>>> the left; the other lens is a 135mm, which is about the same size.
>>> 
>>> (A link to some pictures should go here, but the server keeps rejecting my 
>>> emails with links. I’ll try to find another way of showing the pictures).
>>> 
>>> On the 135mm and other lenses there are some concentric grooves at the 
>>> back, and it is stepped down. The 120mm is plain, and doesn’t have the step.
>>> 
>>> On the adapter there is a flange which goes down into the dropped part of 
>>> the step when you put a lens on, and of course it can’t do this on the 
>>> plain back end of the 120mm, so the adapter won’t go on the lens.
>>> 
>>> The lens fits my Pentax MX fine, as well as a number of other MXes I’ve 
>>> been evaluating with a view to buying a new one. As far as I know it 
>>> doesn’t affect anything when shooting. However, I need to test this lens 
>>> specifically as any problems it causes may have become mixed up with 
>>> problems which have caused me to reject other cameras.
>>> 
>>> It’s possible that someone has had the lens altered for some reason, 
>>> although it is otherwise mint-, but it looks almost like a KF mount.
>>> 
>>> Anybody else have one like this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bob
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Re: Strange thing

[John Sessoms]

I vaguely remember there was a problem either with Ricoh cameras or 
Ricoh lenses back in film days. They used the K-mount bayonet, but there 
was something they did different and either Ricoh lenses would get stuck 
if you mounted them on a Pentax camera or Pentax lenses would get stuck 
on Ricoh cameras.


I wish I remembered more specifically what the problem was, and I don't 
know if this relates to Bob's problem, but I hope it might somehow help.



On 9/6/2022 11:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Hi Bob!

Hmm. I'd seen some odd-ball Pentax lens mount stuff over the days when I was 
mucking with a bunch of Pentax -M and -A lenses and adapters. Never had a 
120mm, I'd be interested to see what the rear mounting flange looks like. I 
know a couple of Pentax lenses had to have the diaphragm control lever modified 
to fit one or another lens mount adapter out of the bunch that I had…

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On Sep 5, 2022, at 7:12 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:

Well, two strange things really.

First is an on-topic message from me.

Second is an oddity with a Pentax-M 120mm f2.8 lens that I have.

If anyone here has one of these, could you please compare the back of it with 
your other M lenses?

I have been doing some informal ‘shoot outs’ with my Pentax-M lenses and my 
Leica lenses, and will put them online if anyone is interested. Anyway, I have 
been using my Leica M10 monochrome body for all the shots, and a Novoflex 
adapter for the Pentax lenses, without any problems.

Except that the 120mm lens doesn’t fit the adapter.

On closer inspection, the bit at the back (sorry for the technical jargon) of 
the 120mm lens where the aperture levers are is significantly different from 
the other lenses. The photos at this link show you. The 120mm is on the left; 
the other lens is a 135mm, which is about the same size.

(A link to some pictures should go here, but the server keeps rejecting my 
emails with links. I’ll try to find another way of showing the pictures).

On the 135mm and other lenses there are some concentric grooves at the back, 
and it is stepped down. The 120mm is plain, and doesn’t have the step.

On the adapter there is a flange which goes down into the dropped part of the 
step when you put a lens on, and of course it can’t do this on the plain back 
end of the 120mm, so the adapter won’t go on the lens.

The lens fits my Pentax MX fine, as well as a number of other MXes I’ve been 
evaluating with a view to buying a new one. As far as I know it doesn’t affect 
anything when shooting. However, I need to test this lens specifically as any 
problems it causes may have become mixed up with problems which have caused me 
to reject other cameras.

It’s possible that someone has had the lens altered for some reason, although 
it is otherwise mint-, but it looks almost like a KF mount.

Anybody else have one like this?

Thanks,
Bob

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Re: Strange thing

[Bob Pdml]

Hi Godfrey,

I hope this gets through to PDML. 

I’ll send you a picture separately, but I found some photos online of other 
examples of the M 120/2.8 and they all have the same rear end as mine, so it 
must be the way it was designed, and the Novoflex adapter hasn’t taken it into 
account. The global market for people for people wanting to put this particular 
lens model on a Leica is probably in the neighbourhood of 1, so I’m not 
surprised…

B

> On 6 Sep 2022, at 16:35, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob! 
> 
> Hmm. I'd seen some odd-ball Pentax lens mount stuff over the days when I was 
> mucking with a bunch of Pentax -M and -A lenses and adapters. Never had a 
> 120mm, I'd be interested to see what the rear mounting flange looks like. I 
> know a couple of Pentax lenses had to have the diaphragm control lever 
> modified to fit one or another lens mount adapter out of the bunch that I 
> had… 
> 
> If the server kills your email if you embed a link, drop a line to my 
> personal email. :)
> 
> G
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Re: Strange thing

[Mark C]

That's true but at least I've mitigated the headache for the time being.

I'm sending this via newly installed Seamonkey mail client - we'll see 
how it works.


Mark

P. J. Alling wrote:
Along with bug fixes, a lot of the Thunderbird updates are to fix 
security issues.


No one wants to acknowledge security holes in their software, so 
unless it's one that's become an actual problem with a documented 
exploit, it probably won't be mentioned in the release notes.


I hate to bow to an arrogant SOB of a developer who introduces a bug 
and through ignorance and due to just plain pigheadedness refuses to 
admit he's wrong, but falling back to a previous version, probably 
isn't the best idea, unless something more serious is broken.


As I said I removed the "regular" reply button from the in message 
toolbar and haven't accidentally replied off list since. The smart 
reply button works the way you'd expect it to if the regular reply 
button isn't there.



On 7/4/2017 11:05 AM, Mark C wrote:
Yea! Uninstalling and re-installing 45.8.0 was super fast and easy 
and solved the problem.


Prior releases are archived by Mozilla here:

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/




On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
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Re: Strange thing

[mike wilson]

I have almost the same excuses for misspelling "grammar".

> On 04 July 2017 at 13:40 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> It was late at night, I was tired, (I seem to post a lot like that), at 
> least I wasn't drunk.  At least, I don't think I was.
> 
> 
> On 7/4/2017 2:44 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> >> On 04 July 2017 at 07:22 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> It must be a sign of old age, and I cannot remember who on the list put
> >> me on to this, I suppose I could look it up but that's not important now.
> >>
> >> Ann, on the header of an email to the right of the reply button, right
> >> click and choose customize, it should be the only choice you get.
> >>
> >> That will open the tool pallet.
> > My gammar-nazi heart wants to do something with this; my
> > you-should-be-on-your-way-to-work brain says I should let it lie.
> >
> >> Click on the reply button, and drag it to the pallet.
> >>
> >> Close the pallet.
> >>
> >> The straight reply button is now on the pallet.
> >>
> >> The smart reply which is now the only visible reply button will work
> >> more or less properly, so it will default to reply list if you're
> >> looking at a mail list email, and it will reply to an individual if the
> >> email is from an individual.   You'll also have the option of replying
> >> to the person who sent the email to the list by clicking the down arrow.
> >>
> >> It's almost as good as if the reply button wasn't broken.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:
> >>> Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)
> >>>
> >>> alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead
> >>> of jsut REPLY  -
> >>> some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i
> >>> said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion
> >>>
> >>> At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
> >>> time than weekdays
> >>>
> >>> ann
> >>>
> >>> On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
>  I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at
>  least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.
> 
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Re: Strange thing

[ann sanfedele]

That works!  thanks PJ -
although it doesn't say "smart reply"  it just says "reply list" now.. 
when I get mail from PDML

THANKS much!

I feel as you do that the upgrades are probably necessary for safety

ann

On 7/4/2017 2:22 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
It must be a sign of old age, and I cannot remember who on the list 
put me on to this, I suppose I could look it up but that's not 
important now.


Ann, on the header of an email to the right of the reply button, right 
click and choose customize, it should be the only choice you get.


That will open the tool pallet.

Click on the reply button, and drag it to the pallet.

Close the pallet.

The straight reply button is now on the pallet.

The smart reply which is now the only visible reply button will work 
more or less properly, so it will default to reply list if you're 
looking at a mail list email, and it will reply to an individual if 
the email is from an individual.   You'll also have the option of 
replying to the person who sent the email to the list by clicking the 
down arrow.


It's almost as good as if the reply button wasn't broken.


On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what 
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


Alan C

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Re: Strange thing

[P. J. Alling]

Along with bug fixes, a lot of the Thunderbird updates are to fix 
security issues.


No one wants to acknowledge security holes in their software, so unless 
it's one that's become an actual problem with a documented exploit, it 
probably won't be mentioned in the release notes.


I hate to bow to an arrogant SOB of a developer who introduces a bug and 
through ignorance and due to just plain pigheadedness refuses to admit 
he's wrong, but falling back to a previous version, probably isn't the 
best idea, unless something more serious is broken.


As I said I removed the "regular" reply button from the in message 
toolbar and haven't accidentally replied off list since. The smart reply 
button works the way you'd expect it to if the regular reply button 
isn't there.



On 7/4/2017 11:05 AM, Mark C wrote:
Yea! Uninstalling and re-installing 45.8.0 was super fast and easy and 
solved the problem.


Prior releases are archived by Mozilla here:

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/




On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php







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Re: Strange thing

[Mark C]

Yea! Uninstalling and re-installing 45.8.0 was super fast and easy and 
solved the problem.


Prior releases are archived by Mozilla here:

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/




On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
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Re: Strange thing

[P. J. Alling]

It was late at night, I was tired, (I seem to post a lot like that), at 
least I wasn't drunk.  At least, I don't think I was.



On 7/4/2017 2:44 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 04 July 2017 at 07:22 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:


It must be a sign of old age, and I cannot remember who on the list put
me on to this, I suppose I could look it up but that's not important now.

Ann, on the header of an email to the right of the reply button, right
click and choose customize, it should be the only choice you get.

That will open the tool pallet.

My gammar-nazi heart wants to do something with this; my
you-should-be-on-your-way-to-work brain says I should let it lie.


Click on the reply button, and drag it to the pallet.

Close the pallet.

The straight reply button is now on the pallet.

The smart reply which is now the only visible reply button will work
more or less properly, so it will default to reply list if you're
looking at a mail list email, and it will reply to an individual if the
email is from an individual.   You'll also have the option of replying
to the person who sent the email to the list by clicking the down arrow.

It's almost as good as if the reply button wasn't broken.


On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:

I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.



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Re: Strange thing

[mike wilson]

> On 04 July 2017 at 07:22 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> It must be a sign of old age, and I cannot remember who on the list put 
> me on to this, I suppose I could look it up but that's not important now.
> 
> Ann, on the header of an email to the right of the reply button, right 
> click and choose customize, it should be the only choice you get.
> 
> That will open the tool pallet.

My gammar-nazi heart wants to do something with this; my
you-should-be-on-your-way-to-work brain says I should let it lie.

> 
> Click on the reply button, and drag it to the pallet.
> 
> Close the pallet.
> 
> The straight reply button is now on the pallet.
> 
> The smart reply which is now the only visible reply button will work 
> more or less properly, so it will default to reply list if you're 
> looking at a mail list email, and it will reply to an individual if the 
> email is from an individual.   You'll also have the option of replying 
> to the person who sent the email to the list by clicking the down arrow.
> 
> It's almost as good as if the reply button wasn't broken.
> 
> 
> On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:
> > Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)
> >
> > alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
> > of jsut REPLY  -
> > some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
> > said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion
> >
> > At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
> > time than weekdays
> >
> > ann
> >
> > On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
> >> I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
> >> least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.

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Re: Strange thing

[P. J. Alling]

It must be a sign of old age, and I cannot remember who on the list put 
me on to this, I suppose I could look it up but that's not important now.


Ann, on the header of an email to the right of the reply button, right 
click and choose customize, it should be the only choice you get.


That will open the tool pallet.

Click on the reply button, and drag it to the pallet.

Close the pallet.

The straight reply button is now on the pallet.

The smart reply which is now the only visible reply button will work 
more or less properly, so it will default to reply list if you're 
looking at a mail list email, and it will reply to an individual if the 
email is from an individual.   You'll also have the option of replying 
to the person who sent the email to the list by clicking the down arrow.


It's almost as good as if the reply button wasn't broken.


On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Strange thing

[Mark C]

Thanks, john - I haven't gotten to reinstalling but will try this 
version when I do. APpreciate knowing that his version does not show the 
bug, since part of what I wanted to do was to see how far back to go.


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On 7/3/2017 6:29 PM, John wrote:

On 7/2/2017 13:36, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I feel your pain, Ann.

It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to
customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, 
next
to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I 
pull

the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it
should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal
operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into
customize mode.

I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and
Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out 
there.


Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php




Or this one. https://archive.org/details/MozillaThunderbirdV45.8.0

It's the version I'm using and I'm not having the "Reply List" problem.





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Re: Strange thing

[ann sanfedele]

On 7/3/2017 6:50 PM, John wrote:


If you drag the "Smart Reply" button to the left in "Customize", it swap
the location of the "Reply" and "Reply List" buttons when you click 
"Done".


That might help if you're used to clicking the first button to reply to
PDML.

    I don't think it will cause any problems if you click "Reply List"

when you are NOT replying to a list message. **


REPLY LIST  only shows up as an option when I get mail in my PDML folder 
- because the TO is pdml@pdml.net
If I get mail from an individual and the TO shows my name , all I see is 
one button that says REPLY


ONly list I now subscribe to is PDML -- I dropped all the Scrabble stuff

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Re: Strange thing - and another thing

[John]

Right click under the buttons on the message pane & select "Customize"
and you can drag the "Smart Reply" button that says "Reply List" when
it's not in customization mode to swap places with the "Reply" button
and it will stay there when you click [Done].


On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.




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Re: Strange thing - Test #3 "Reply All"

[John]

Test #3 - "Reply All" goes

To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

... same as "Reply" did.

Again, this works with ver. 45.8.0

On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.




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Re: Strange thing - Test #2 "Reply"

[John]

Second Test - ver 45.8.0 "Reply goes

To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.




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Re: Strange thing - TEST #1 "Reply List"

[John]

First Test - I'm still on 45.8.0 so this may not hold for 52.2.1

Reply List goes To: pdml-at-pdml.net

On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.




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Re: Strange thing

[John]

That's the way it SHOULD work. I think the new version of Thunderbird
broke that.

"Reply" goes to the individual sender, "Reply List" goes to the list
mailbox and "Reply All" goes to anyone who was "CC:".

I don't think the latter works with PDML because it doesn't display the
list members as "CC:"

On 7/3/2017 02:55, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the
PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes
individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If
you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. Listers
would then down load at their leisure. This explains why some posts are
received double if "Reply List" is used - once from the list mailbox &
once directly from the poster.

I think my problem is overzealous filtering either by my ISP or the
Avast Firewall.

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Paul in MKE
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:49 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Hmmm.  PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I
have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for
messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to
know that PDML is a mailing list -

-p


On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote:

I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it
from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to
work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List
disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but never
stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted.

On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:

I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply
and Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in
the message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the
message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.
The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click
on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List
(the default), Reply All, or Reply.

-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST"
instead of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:

I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.

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Re: Strange thing

[John]

On 7/2/2017 19:59, ann sanfedele wrote:

my little boxes have REPLY next to REPLY LIST  (and to REPLY ALL  I have
to open and Scroll to box that says Reply list..


I think those buttons are at the top of the "message pane". Top left is
a list of folders; Top right has a list of messages; the actual messages
are all the way across the bottom half of the Thunderbird window.

I have [Reply] [Reply List {down arrow}] [Forward] [Archive] [Junk]
[Delete].

The {down arrow} gives me Reply List -divider- Reply All and Reply.

If you right click just under the buttons on the top of the message
pane, you get "Customize".

Select that, and you can drag the buttons around, drag them off or drag
new buttons on. The button that says "Reply List" changes to "Smart
Reply" while you're in customize.

If you drag the "Smart Reply" button to the left in "Customize", it swap
the location of the "Reply" and "Reply List" buttons when you click "Done".

That might help if you're used to clicking the first button to reply to
PDML. I don't think it will cause any problems if you click "Reply List"
when you are NOT replying to a list message.


On 7/2/2017 19:59, ann sanfedele wrote:

my little boxes have REPLY next to REPLY LIST  (and to REPLY ALL  I have
to open and Scroll to box that says Reply list..  but remembering that
I have to do it for my replies to go to PDML and for my replys to show
up in my PDML folder in my inbox, which is where I want 'em. But my
mouse just gravitates to the REPLY button I'm used to hitting...

and when we get a good pun thread going it really sucks :-)

ann

On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:

I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and
Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the
message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the
message header.  You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.
The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click
on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List
(the default), Reply All, or Reply.

-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:

I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.

Alan C

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Re: Strange thing

[ann sanfedele]

No - not how Thunderbird is now working...
If I hit REPLY it goes ONLY to the person whose post I am replying to...
If I use Reply List it goes to everyone on the list but it says it is 
only going to pdml@pdml.net in my "TO"
If I use Reply all (as I just did for this ) It is addressed both to 
PDML and to you, Alan.  so you will probably get this twice :-)


ann


On 7/3/2017 2:55 AM, Alan C wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the 
PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes 
individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. 
If you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. 
Listers would then down load at their leisure. This explains why some 
posts are received double if "Reply List" is used - once from the list 
mailbox & once directly from the poster.


I think my problem is overzealous filtering either by my ISP or the 
Avast Firewall.


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Paul in MKE
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:49 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Hmmm.  PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I
have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for
messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to
know that PDML is a mailing list -

-p


On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote:
I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag 
it from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to 
work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List 
disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but 
never stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is 
corrupted.


On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I 
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply 
and Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in 
the message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the 
message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the 
box.  The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you 
click on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to 
Reply List (the default), Reply All, or Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" 
instead of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see 
what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my 
work time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie 
at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


Alan C

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Re: Strange thing

[John]

On 7/2/2017 13:36, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I feel your pain, Ann.

It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to
customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next
to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull
the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it
should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal
operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into
customize mode.

I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and
Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there.


Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php




Or this one. https://archive.org/details/MozillaThunderbirdV45.8.0

It's the version I'm using and I'm not having the "Reply List" problem.


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Re: Strange thing

[John]

I'm using Thunderbird, but I'm down-level & haven't "upgraded" to the
newer version that's causing all the problems. I'm waiting to see if
there's another update that fixes the problems caused by the current
update.


On 7/2/2017 11:29, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:

I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.

Alan C

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Re: Strange thing

[Jostein]

Ann, this is not about Thunderbird. ;-)
Jostein

Den 02.07.2017 17.29, skrev ann sanfedele:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of 
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Strange thing

[Jostein]

That has happened to me for several years already. :-(

I looked into routing agreements between providers, but that didn't fit 
the pattern. An original email from Australia, Russia or the Philippines 
was just as likely to get lost in space as was the ones from Ohio, 
Michigan or California.


It could be a glitch in the PDML list software, of course, but I find 
that unlikely. If it was, I kinda think that it would affect the same 
messages for everyone, which it doesn't.


As Dan Matyola says, some may end up in end-user spam folders. Spam 
filters are in effect at provider level too.


I believe what happens is that the email providers have quarantine bots 
that flag and withhold messages based on simple rules, and then use more 
sophisticated analysis to release the messages if deemed harmless. This 
would explain why original postings can arrive from PDML days after its 
comments; or not arrive at all if it didn't pass the rules.


At one point, I subscribed to PDML from both gmail and my own domain to 
look for differences, and there were. Even when telling gmail and my 
domain's mail server to "whitelist" everything from pdml.net, some 
messages were either delayed or lost. And still not always the same 
messages.


Keeping track of two accounts that way was too tedious to be a solution, 
though, so I grudgingly settled for using my private domain, where I 
felt that I had more control over the mail filtering.


When needed, I go to the PDML archives to see the original posts.

Jostein

Den 02.07.2017 06.44, skrev Alan C:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Strange thing

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Maybe.

For me there is no difference between Reply and Reply List. As far as I 
can figure out (and I have double checked). All are going to p...@pdlm.net.


My problem is, when I have Thunderbird filter by Threads turned on (may 
be called something else, forget now I got it turned on), when I hit 
reply then it goes to that thread.


My normal method, in the past, for posting a PESO was to just randomly 
choose a thread and a post and hit REPLY. Fill in a new subject line 
with PESO - Name and hit return. And that would START a new thread. With 
Thunderbird show by thread on, it doesn't.


Simple solution, though tedious, now when posting a PESO I don't hit 
reply. I just do a new write, new subject line, and type in 
pdml@pdml.net for the address (although there must be a macro or 
something that would fill that in for me).


HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 7/3/2017 9:47 AM, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.

That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.



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Re: Strange thing

[John Francis]

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
> & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
> all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
> then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.

That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.


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Re: Strange thing

[Alan C]

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), 
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to 
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", 
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. Listers would then down load 
at their leisure. This explains why some posts are received double if "Reply 
List" is used - once from the list mailbox & once directly from the poster.


I think my problem is overzealous filtering either by my ISP or the Avast 
Firewall.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Paul in MKE

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:49 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Hmmm.  PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I
have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for
messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to
know that PDML is a mailing list -

-p


On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote:
I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it 
from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to work, 
but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List disappears. If I 
open the customize box again, it reappears, but never stays once customize 
is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted.


On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I just 
dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply 
All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message 
header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the message header. 
You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  Drag the Reply button 
back into the Customize box and close the box.  The Smart Reply has now 
changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it 
you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or 
Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of 
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Strange thing

[Paul in MKE]

Hmmm.  PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I 
have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for 
messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to 
know that PDML is a mailing list -


-p


On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote:
I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it 
from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to 
work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List 
disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but never 
stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted.


On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I 
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply 
and Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in 
the message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the 
message header.  You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.  
The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click 
on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List 
(the default), Reply All, or Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" 
instead of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what 
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Strange thing

[Alan C]

Nothing. Super Sparrow was another.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Daniel J. Matyola

Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 9:31 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Check your spam or junk folder;  they seem to be winding up there.


Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:


I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least)
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Re: Strange thing

[Mark C]

Now that's a plan - I'll give it a try.

On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I feel your pain, Ann.

It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to
customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next
to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull
the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it
should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal
operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into
customize mode.

I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and
Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there.

Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
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[Mark C]

I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it 
from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to work, 
but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List disappears. If I 
open the customize box again, it reappears, but never stays once 
customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted.


On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I 
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and 
Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the 
message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the 
message header.  You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.  
The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click 
on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List 
(the default), Reply All, or Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what 
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


Alan C

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Re: Strange thing

[ann sanfedele]

Mine DOES say Reply to list on a button next to Reply - but my mouse 
finger always hits reply unless I really really concentrate.


Don't want to go backwards now - I'm on automatic upgrade - and maybe 
those security patches they say they are making really are that...


I'll get used to it eventually, and then they will fix it right?

ann

On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I feel your pain, Ann.

It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to
customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next
to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull
the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it
should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal
operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into
customize mode.

I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and
Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there.

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Re: Strange thing

[ann sanfedele]

my little boxes have REPLY next to REPLY LIST  (and to REPLY ALL  I have 
to open and Scroll to box that says Reply list..  but remembering that
I have to do it for my replies to go to PDML and for my replys to show 
up in my PDML folder in my inbox, which is where I want 'em. But my 
mouse just gravitates to the REPLY button I'm used to hitting...


and when we get a good pun thread going it really sucks :-)

ann

On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I 
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and 
Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the 
message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the 
message header.  You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.  
The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click 
on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List 
(the default), Reply All, or Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what 
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Strange thing

[Paul in MKE]

I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I just 
dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply 
All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message 
header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the message 
header.  You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  Drag the 
Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.  The Smart 
Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down 
arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List (the default), 
Reply All, or Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Strange thing

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Check your spam or junk folder;  they seem to be winding up there.


Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Alan C  wrote:

> I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least)
> & have to pick them up in comments instead.
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Re: Strange thing

[Alan C]

Don't know Thunderbird. Presumably "REPLY LIST" & "REPLY" would be the same 
if there is only 1 address in the original mail? I use Windows Live Mail.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: ann sanfedele

Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 5:29 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

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Re: Strange thing

[Mark Roberts]

Mark C wrote:

>I feel your pain, Ann.
>
>It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to 
>customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next 
>to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull 
>the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it 
>should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal 
>operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into 
>customize mode.
>
>I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and 
>Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there.

Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
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Re: Strange thing

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Okay, trying it (hitting reply list).

Sometimes I am hitting reply which buries my new PESO post in someone 
else's thread. IE what Ann said. So they are hard to find, sometimes, 
plus being annoying too.


Marnie aka Doe :-O



On 7/2/2017 8:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:

I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at
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Re: Strange thing

[Mark C]

I feel your pain, Ann.

It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to 
customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next 
to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull 
the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it 
should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal 
operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into 
customize mode.


I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and 
Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there.


Mark

On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
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Re: Strange thing

[ann sanfedele]

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of 
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

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