Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Bob Sullivan]

Bill,
Probably Off Topic, but the Chief stood behind the lines in his white
uniform shirt at rock throwing distance from the protesters, standing
out from the other cops in blue shirts.  He got serious 'street cred'
with his officers for doing so and actually helped manage the
situation.  The crumpled license plate from his destroyed NYC Police
Cruiser... I have met only one other person who was on site that day,
so I'm impressed.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, William Robb
 wrote:
> On 29/05/2012 10:27 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>> Saw Chicago's Police Chief on TV.
>> He was at the whole NATO demonstration with a plan.
>> He pulled cops out of the line before they blew-up from the taunting.
>> He even stopped them from donning gas masks at one point.
>> (Somebody shouted GAS and the officers started to don masks.
>> He saw it and said NO, I DIDN'T ORDER THAT!)
>> Communications was a key.  Each officer had an earpiece radio.
>> And they practiced what to do with the protesters.
>> The new chief is from New York.
>> He showed two momentos from his professional life,
>> a rock thrown at him here with NATO and the license plate from his
>> destroyed patrol car on 9/11.
>>
>> Everybody is approaching this like the police are rabid dogs.
>> Get a grip folks, I'm sure you know better than that.
>> The NATO protesters got outsmarted by a peaceful Chief
>> who smiled, protected property, and refused to get mad.
>> Quite a contrast to 1968...
>>
> Good for him, also quite a stark contrast to how many of the 1% protests
> were dealt with last year. Given the recent history of police actions in the
> face of public protest, the way the Chicago protest was handled is not the
> norm.
> I'm not sure why introducing a rock and a licence plate as souvenirs to the
> discussion is relevant.
>
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[William Robb]

On 29/05/2012 10:27 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Bill,
Saw Chicago's Police Chief on TV.
He was at the whole NATO demonstration with a plan.
He pulled cops out of the line before they blew-up from the taunting.
He even stopped them from donning gas masks at one point.
(Somebody shouted GAS and the officers started to don masks.
He saw it and said NO, I DIDN'T ORDER THAT!)
Communications was a key.  Each officer had an earpiece radio.
And they practiced what to do with the protesters.
The new chief is from New York.
He showed two momentos from his professional life,
a rock thrown at him here with NATO and the license plate from his
destroyed patrol car on 9/11.

Everybody is approaching this like the police are rabid dogs.
Get a grip folks, I'm sure you know better than that.
The NATO protesters got outsmarted by a peaceful Chief
who smiled, protected property, and refused to get mad.
Quite a contrast to 1968...

Good for him, also quite a stark contrast to how many of the 1% protests 
were dealt with last year. Given the recent history of police actions in 
the face of public protest, the way the Chicago protest was handled is 
not the norm.
I'm not sure why introducing a rock and a licence plate as souvenirs to 
the discussion is relevant.


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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[William Robb]

On 29/05/2012 10:10 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Dave,
The first thing they destroy is Police Cars, doesn't make sense to incite them.

A few police cars got torched at the Toronto G8. Interestingly, the ones 
that were wrecked were older, out of service cars that had no radios or 
other police equipment inside, and had been more or less abandoned by 
the officers more than a shift prior to being torched.

It was almost like as if the police had set the cars up to be destroyed.
Bob, the police are no longer our friends. They are, at best, allies 
with shifting priorities that may include our well being one day, and 
something completely different the next day.
You have had at least one major incident in California of cops killing a 
defenceless citizen who wasn't fighting back, we've had at least one 
incident of the RCMP killing a person who wasn't really doing anything 
that made killing him a necessity.
Think of the police the same way you think of Pakistan. They say they 
are our friends, but behind the scenes they are working only for 
themselves and whatever serves their interests, and it is only happy 
coincidence when their needs and our needs coincide.


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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Bob Sullivan]

Bill,
Saw Chicago's Police Chief on TV.
He was at the whole NATO demonstration with a plan.
He pulled cops out of the line before they blew-up from the taunting.
He even stopped them from donning gas masks at one point.
(Somebody shouted GAS and the officers started to don masks.
He saw it and said NO, I DIDN'T ORDER THAT!)
Communications was a key.  Each officer had an earpiece radio.
And they practiced what to do with the protesters.
The new chief is from New York.
He showed two momentos from his professional life,
a rock thrown at him here with NATO and the license plate from his
destroyed patrol car on 9/11.

Everybody is approaching this like the police are rabid dogs.
Get a grip folks, I'm sure you know better than that.
The NATO protesters got outsmarted by a peaceful Chief
who smiled, protected property, and refused to get mad.
Quite a contrast to 1968...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:00 AM, William Robb
 wrote:
> On 28/05/2012 1:06 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> Tom,
>> The employment issue might be relevant.
>> You could wear a hat, sunglasses, and a hospital mask as a disguise,
>> but the goggles are teargas protection, maybe the bandanna as well.
>
>
> Knowing how over the top both protesters and police can be these days,
> wearing tear gas protection at a protest rally is probably as prudent as
> wearing a tie-off when working on a roof. When I get into my truck, I put on
> my seatbelt. This doesn't mean I am looking to smack into something, it's
> just that I am aware that there are potential pitfalls to driving across
> town.
> Were I off to a protest rally, the same thing would apply. Some protester
> might get carried away (at the G8 in Toronto, some of the protesters who got
> carried away were, in fact, police plants who were embedded deliberately to
> cause mischief and give the police an excuse to crack a few skulls), or a
> cop might just get trigger happy and plop a gas grenade beside me just for
> spite.
>
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
The first thing they destroy is Police Cars, doesn't make sense to incite them.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:56 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> On May 29, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>> The employment issue might be relevant.
>> You could wear a hat, sunglasses, and a hospital mask as a disguise,
>> but the goggles are teargas protection, maybe the bandanna as well.
>
> I don't see a problem with protestors protecting themselves against teargas.
>
>> I was in Chicago for the Democratic National Convention of '68.
>> I think these people wanted to recreate that atmosphere this year.
>> I praise the Chicago Police Department for being cool despite the taunting 
>> and
>> attempts to provoke them for media coverage.
>
> It's apparently common for bunches of undercover police to join a protest and 
> start trying to incite the other protestors to riot, thus making them look 
> like violent thugs in the media.
>
> Dave
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Daniel J. Matyola]

It's not your fault, Tom, it was entirely mine.  I was in a black mood
that day, and made I comment that was best left unsaid.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone by it.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>> It was indeed my comment, and was meant to be a bit of black humor.
>>
>> Believe me, at my age, I would do more harm to myself than anyone else.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
> I didn't catch the humor Dan. Ironic because often people don't get mine.
>
> I intended no offense with my prior comment and apologize if any was felt.
>
> Tom C.

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Eric Weir]

That was a question, Ann. The answer is obvious to you. Not to me. [I note, 
e.g., that Dan's original comment while apparently intended as black humor, was 
understood otherwise by many.] I understand that Steve explicitly addressed the 
set, "the nests below." Again, taking that into consideration, I don't know 
what he was saying. And finally, I was serious about being OK with sarcasm, if 
it was sarcasm. 

One thing I've liked about this list since finally opting in a year or so ago, 
is the affection that this diverse lot of people have for each other. There are 
occasional, I would say rare, exceptions. But the overwhelming mood is one of 
affection. [Well, one of the moods---along with kindness, helpfulness, 
tolerance, etc., etc.]

So if Steven was being sarcastic, I can handle it. Given that you didn't take 
him that way, he probably wasn't. But if he was I might wonder if he hadn't 
misunderstood something, or if I had been careless in some way, but that would 
be all.

Regards,

Eric

On May 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> Eric - careful - steven said nothing sarcastic at all
> note the nests below
> 
> just sayin
> 
> ann
> 
> On 5/28/2012 07:39, Eric Weir wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. Not sure whether to take that as sarcasm or not, Steven. It's OK if I 
>> should, just don't know.
>> 
>> On May 27, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>> 
>>> That's a really good set.  Your technique and composition are excellent.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
 
 On May 21, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 
> As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
> to pay them a visit.
 
 Very cool.
 
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[William Robb]

On 28/05/2012 1:06 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Tom,
The employment issue might be relevant.
You could wear a hat, sunglasses, and a hospital mask as a disguise,
but the goggles are teargas protection, maybe the bandanna as well.


Knowing how over the top both protesters and police can be these days, 
wearing tear gas protection at a protest rally is probably as prudent as 
wearing a tie-off when working on a roof. When I get into my truck, I 
put on my seatbelt. This doesn't mean I am looking to smack into 
something, it's just that I am aware that there are potential pitfalls 
to driving across town.
Were I off to a protest rally, the same thing would apply. Some 
protester might get carried away (at the G8 in Toronto, some of the 
protesters who got carried away were, in fact, police plants who were 
embedded deliberately to cause mischief and give the police an excuse to 
crack a few skulls), or a cop might just get trigger happy and plop a 
gas grenade beside me just for spite.


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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[David Mann]

On May 29, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Tom,
> The employment issue might be relevant.
> You could wear a hat, sunglasses, and a hospital mask as a disguise,
> but the goggles are teargas protection, maybe the bandanna as well.

I don't see a problem with protestors protecting themselves against teargas.

> I was in Chicago for the Democratic National Convention of '68.
> I think these people wanted to recreate that atmosphere this year.
> I praise the Chicago Police Department for being cool despite the taunting and
> attempts to provoke them for media coverage.

It's apparently common for bunches of undercover police to join a protest and 
start trying to incite the other protestors to riot, thus making them look like 
violent thugs in the media.

Dave


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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[P. J. Alling]

On 5/28/2012 10:13 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: "P. J. Alling"


On 5/28/2012 5:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Darren Addy


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Bob Sullivan
 wrote:

I found some of the NATO meeting protesters despicable.
Why come to a protest wearing goggles and a bandanna over your face,
and another over your hair?
Only reason I can imagine is that you intend to damage property,
and you want to keep your identity a secret.
That's hardly the peaceful expression of dissent and disagreement.
Regards, ?Bob S.

I *have* to believe that your imagination is a little better than that
and that with a little effort you can come up with multiple reasons
that, particularly in today's environment, one might wish to conceal
one's identity at a protest (many of them non-despicable, if not
out-right reasonable.)

One thing to always keep in mind. If you're at the planning session
for any kind of demonstration, the guy who wants you to plant a bomb &
blow something up is the FBI's informant.


Not always, that's only true when you get caught.



If you listen to him you *are* going to get caught.

I think that's what I said.  But others are perfectly willing to tell 
you to plant bombs who aren't from the FBI.  That's what makes this kind 
of thing "interesting" you never know if you're dealing with a real 
violent revolutionary or not.


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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling"


On 5/28/2012 5:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Darren Addy


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Bob Sullivan
 wrote:

I found some of the NATO meeting protesters despicable.
Why come to a protest wearing goggles and a bandanna over your face,
and another over your hair?
Only reason I can imagine is that you intend to damage property,
and you want to keep your identity a secret.
That's hardly the peaceful expression of dissent and disagreement.
Regards, ?Bob S.

I *have* to believe that your imagination is a little better than that
and that with a little effort you can come up with multiple reasons
that, particularly in today's environment, one might wish to conceal
one's identity at a protest (many of them non-despicable, if not
out-right reasonable.)

One thing to always keep in mind. If you're at the planning session
for any kind of demonstration, the guy who wants you to plant a bomb &
blow something up is the FBI's informant.


Not always, that's only true when you get caught.



If you listen to him you *are* going to get caught.

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Steve!  Much appreciated.  Cheers, Christine 





On May 27, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:

> That's a really good set.  Your technique and composition are excellent.
> 
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> On May 21, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> 
>>> As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
>>> to pay them a visit.
>> 
>> Very cool.
>> 
>> --
>> Eric Weir
>> Decatur, GA
>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>> "What is man without the beasts? If all the beasts were gone,
>> men would die from a great loneliness of spirit."
>> 
>> - Chief Seattle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Tom C]

> It was indeed my comment, and was meant to be a bit of black humor.
>
> Believe me, at my age, I would do more harm to myself than anyone else.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

I didn't catch the humor Dan. Ironic because often people don't get mine.

I intended no offense with my prior comment and apologize if any was felt.

Tom C.

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[P. J. Alling]

On 5/28/2012 5:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Darren Addy

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Bob Sullivan 
 wrote:

I found some of the NATO meeting protesters despicable.
Why come to a protest wearing goggles and a bandanna over your face,
and another over your hair?
Only reason I can imagine is that you intend to damage property,
and you want to keep your identity a secret.
That's hardly the peaceful expression of dissent and disagreement.
Regards, ?Bob S.

I *have* to believe that your imagination is a little better than that
and that with a little effort you can come up with multiple reasons
that, particularly in today's environment, one might wish to conceal
one's identity at a protest (many of them non-despicable, if not
out-right reasonable.)


One thing to always keep in mind. If you're at the planning session 
for any kind of demonstration, the guy who wants you to plant a bomb & 
blow something up is the FBI's informant.



Not always, that's only true when you get caught.

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[steve harley]

on 2012-05-28 11:47 Bob Sullivan wrote

I found some of the NATO meeting protesters despicable.
Why come to a protest wearing goggles and a bandanna over your face,
and another over your hair?
Only reason I can imagine is that you intend to damage property,
and you want to keep your identity a secret.
That's hardly the peaceful expression of dissent and disagreement.


i have seen that garb at many rallies, always a minority, and part of  much 
more varied exuberant expression; i think few, if any, of them are planning 
violence; if they are, they'd be considered infiltrators


i think if one feels sincerely that one is confronting oppressive power, the 
"ninja" garb is a symbol that has meaningful rationales; to me (though i don't 
wear it) it seems to symbolize the negation of identity, or if you feel 
threatened by it, it gets across a message about the perceived threat from the 
target of the protest; and as others have noted it can represent group 
identity, adding a sociological as well as a political meaning


when you ask them, you get a wide variety of answers; for example:


"Ninjas have been present for centuries, exerting justice and seeking the 
truth," said one protester.

Members say the costume has many meanings.

"It's kind of a joke and a symbol of fun and games," said member John Monroe.




i don't think most wear masks or bandanas for anonymity, btw, because i often 
see them expose their faces, or fail to hide other clearly identifying marks


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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[John Sessoms]

From: Darren Addy


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

I found some of the NATO meeting protesters despicable.
Why come to a protest wearing goggles and a bandanna over your face,
and another over your hair?
Only reason I can imagine is that you intend to damage property,
and you want to keep your identity a secret.
That's hardly the peaceful expression of dissent and disagreement.
Regards, ?Bob S.

I *have* to believe that your imagination is a little better than that
and that with a little effort you can come up with multiple reasons
that, particularly in today's environment, one might wish to conceal
one's identity at a protest (many of them non-despicable, if not
out-right reasonable.)


One thing to always keep in mind. If you're at the planning session for 
any kind of demonstration, the guy who wants you to plant a bomb & blow 
something up is the FBI's informant.


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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Collin Brendemuehl]

>On 5/28/2012 12:33 PM, steve harley wrote:
>> on 2012-05-28 9:37 Paul Stenquist wrote
>>> The comment was Dan Matyola's, not Steve's. Dan is an ex fighter
>>> pilot, so he has license to wing it once in awhile. His remark was
>>> perhaps a bit rash but less incendiary than many of the signs held
>>> by the protesters (who were protesting a NATO meeting, chaired by
>>> Obama, where the topic of discussion was Afghanistan withdrawal).
>>
>>
>> Dan said it was a joke, but if it was he should think how it would go
>> over in response to Tim's query about how to shoot 45 12-year-olds ?
>
>Much satisfaction would be found there but society frowns on such behavior.

Military humor differs greatly from civilian humor.
Even so, with the number of clenched-fist images and other leftist
revolutionary displays going on recently, what used to be the virtue
of opposing those who oppose liberty is now considered "hateful" or
some other such nonsense.

Today we memorialize those who have served. We do not honor those who
disgrace their service for liberty or the liberty that they defended.

In light of the modern revolutionary agenda, "peace" rallies do not 
promote peace.  They only denigrate current leadership and its military
ventures.  We saw it here with W in office the protests were plentiful.
But Obama was not protested despite the fact that he followed the Bush
timeline.  That was no accident.

Sincerely, 

Collin Brendemuehl 
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Bob Sullivan]

Tom,
The employment issue might be relevant.
You could wear a hat, sunglasses, and a hospital mask as a disguise,
but the goggles are teargas protection, maybe the bandanna as well.
I was in Chicago for the Democratic National Convention of '68.
I think these people wanted to recreate that atmosphere this year.
I praise the Chicago Police Department for being cool despite the taunting and
attempts to provoke them for media coverage.
This was a media event.
The Vietnam War protests were a different thing altogether.
Regards,  Bob S.


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>> From: Bob Sullivan 
>>
>> I found some of the NATO meeting protesters despicable.
>> Why come to a protest wearing goggles and a bandanna over your face,
>> and another over your hair?
>> Only reason I can imagine is that you intend to damage property,
>> and you want to keep your identity a secret.
>> That's hardly the peaceful expression of dissent and disagreement.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Tom C  wrote:
 The comment was Dan Matyola's, not Steve's. Dan is an ex fighter pilot, so 
 he has license to wing it once in awhile. His remark was > perhaps a bit 
 rash but ?less incendiary than many of the signs held by the protesters 
 (who were protesting a NATO meeting, chaired > by Obama, where the topic 
 of discussion was Afghanistan withdrawal).
 Paul
>>>
>>> Yes but ostensibly, those in the country's armed forces serve and
>>> and/or fight to protect individuals' freedoms and, among other things,
>>> the right to dissent and disagree. I always note a certain irony then,
>>> when exercising those rights is looked upon with disdain by those who
>>> work to secure them.. What good is a right if one is not free to
>>> exercise it?
>>>
>>> I'm certainly not picking on Dan or anyone else. Just pointing this out.
>>>
>>> Tom C.
>
> I'm not defending them, their beliefs or their actions, only making
> the point that that they have the right to such. Wearing goggles and a
> bandanna is not in itself a crime. Even acting like a total obnoxious
> idiot is not a crime necessarily.  Damaging property would be.
>
> I can think of any number of reasons a person may wish to remain
> anonymous. First off, what if my employer was the type that would take
> prejudicial action against me simply because I held a different view
> than his? I frequently refrain from expressing my beliefs or
> viewpoints at work for precisely that reason. Because you never know.
>
> Pentax sucks. ;-)
>
> Tom C.
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Tom C]

> From: Bob Sullivan 
>
> I found some of the NATO meeting protesters despicable.
> Why come to a protest wearing goggles and a bandanna over your face,
> and another over your hair?
> Only reason I can imagine is that you intend to damage property,
> and you want to keep your identity a secret.
> That's hardly the peaceful expression of dissent and disagreement.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Tom C  wrote:
>>> The comment was Dan Matyola's, not Steve's. Dan is an ex fighter pilot, so 
>>> he has license to wing it once in awhile. His remark was > perhaps a bit 
>>> rash but ?less incendiary than many of the signs held by the protesters 
>>> (who were protesting a NATO meeting, chaired > by Obama, where the topic of 
>>> discussion was Afghanistan withdrawal).
>>> Paul
>>
>> Yes but ostensibly, those in the country's armed forces serve and
>> and/or fight to protect individuals' freedoms and, among other things,
>> the right to dissent and disagree. I always note a certain irony then,
>> when exercising those rights is looked upon with disdain by those who
>> work to secure them.. What good is a right if one is not free to
>> exercise it?
>>
>> I'm certainly not picking on Dan or anyone else. Just pointing this out.
>>
>> Tom C.

I'm not defending them, their beliefs or their actions, only making
the point that that they have the right to such. Wearing goggles and a
bandanna is not in itself a crime. Even acting like a total obnoxious
idiot is not a crime necessarily.  Damaging property would be.

I can think of any number of reasons a person may wish to remain
anonymous. First off, what if my employer was the type that would take
prejudicial action against me simply because I held a different view
than his? I frequently refrain from expressing my beliefs or
viewpoints at work for precisely that reason. Because you never know.

Pentax sucks. ;-)

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[William Robb]

On 28/05/2012 11:47 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

I found some of the NATO meeting protesters despicable.
Why come to a protest wearing goggles and a bandanna over your face,
and another over your hair?
Only reason I can imagine is that you intend to damage property,
and you want to keep your identity a secret.
That's hardly the peaceful expression of dissent and disagreement.

Consider the potential ramifications if your employer (for example) 
doesn't agree with your political views as you make them known in a 
protest. You might be exercising your right to free speech at the 
expense of your livelihood.
In the very polarized climate of hate that is pervading your country, 
there are many very good reasons for why a dissenter may want to hide 
his or her identity, while at the same time registering his or her 
disagreement with the policies of the day.

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Darren Addy]

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> I found some of the NATO meeting protesters despicable.
> Why come to a protest wearing goggles and a bandanna over your face,
> and another over your hair?
> Only reason I can imagine is that you intend to damage property,
> and you want to keep your identity a secret.
> That's hardly the peaceful expression of dissent and disagreement.
> Regards,  Bob S.

I *have* to believe that your imagination is a little better than that
and that with a little effort you can come up with multiple reasons
that, particularly in today's environment, one might wish to conceal
one's identity at a protest (many of them non-despicable, if not
out-right reasonable.)

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Bob Sullivan]

I found some of the NATO meeting protesters despicable.
Why come to a protest wearing goggles and a bandanna over your face,
and another over your hair?
Only reason I can imagine is that you intend to damage property,
and you want to keep your identity a secret.
That's hardly the peaceful expression of dissent and disagreement.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Tom C  wrote:
>> The comment was Dan Matyola's, not Steve's. Dan is an ex fighter pilot, so 
>> he has license to wing it once in awhile. His remark was > perhaps a bit 
>> rash but  less incendiary than many of the signs held by the protesters (who 
>> were protesting a NATO meeting, chaired > by Obama, where the topic of 
>> discussion was Afghanistan withdrawal).
>> Paul
>
> Yes but ostensibly, those in the country's armed forces serve and
> and/or fight to protect individuals' freedoms and, among other things,
> the right to dissent and disagree. I always note a certain irony then,
> when exercising those rights is looked upon with disdain by those who
> work to secure them.. What good is a right if one is not free to
> exercise it?
>
> I'm certainly not picking on Dan or anyone else. Just pointing this out.
>
> Tom C.
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

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On 5/28/2012 12:33 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2012-05-28 9:37 Paul Stenquist wrote
The comment was Dan Matyola's, not Steve's. Dan is an ex fighter 
pilot, so he has license to wing it once in awhile. His remark was 
perhaps a bit rash but  less incendiary than many of the signs held 
by the protesters (who were protesting a NATO meeting, chaired by 
Obama, where the topic of discussion was Afghanistan withdrawal).



Dan said it was a joke, but if it was he should think how it would go 
over in response to Tim's query about how to shoot 45 12-year-olds …


Much satisfaction would be found there but society frowns on such behavior.

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[steve harley]

on 2012-05-28 9:37 Paul Stenquist wrote

The comment was Dan Matyola's, not Steve's. Dan is an ex fighter pilot, so he 
has license to wing it once in awhile. His remark was perhaps a bit rash but  
less incendiary than many of the signs held by the protesters (who were 
protesting a NATO meeting, chaired by Obama, where the topic of discussion was 
Afghanistan withdrawal).



Dan said it was a joke, but if it was he should think how it would go over in 
response to Tim's query about how to shoot 45 12-year-olds …





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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Tom C]

> The comment was Dan Matyola's, not Steve's. Dan is an ex fighter pilot, so he 
> has license to wing it once in awhile. His remark was > perhaps a bit rash 
> but  less incendiary than many of the signs held by the protesters (who were 
> protesting a NATO meeting, chaired > by Obama, where the topic of discussion 
> was Afghanistan withdrawal).
> Paul

Yes but ostensibly, those in the country's armed forces serve and
and/or fight to protect individuals' freedoms and, among other things,
the right to dissent and disagree. I always note a certain irony then,
when exercising those rights is looked upon with disdain by those who
work to secure them.. What good is a right if one is not free to
exercise it?

I'm certainly not picking on Dan or anyone else. Just pointing this out.

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[Paul Stenquist]

The comment was Dan Matyola's, not Steve's. Dan is an ex fighter pilot, so he 
has license to wing it once in awhile. His remark was perhaps a bit rash but  
less incendiary than many of the signs held by the protesters (who were 
protesting a NATO meeting, chaired by Obama, where the topic of discussion was 
Afghanistan withdrawal). 
Paul


On May 28, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Eric Weir wrote:

> 
> Hmm. Not sure whether to take that as sarcasm or not, Steven. It's OK if I 
> should, just don't know.
> 
> On May 27, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> 
>> That's a really good set.  Your technique and composition are excellent.
>> 
>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On May 21, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>> 
 As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
 to pay them a visit.
>>> 
>>> Very cool.
>>> 
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Ann Sanfedele]

Eric - careful - steven said nothing sarcastic at all
note the nests below

just sayin

ann

On 5/28/2012 07:39, Eric Weir wrote:


Hmm. Not sure whether to take that as sarcasm or not, Steven. It's OK if I 
should, just don't know.

On May 27, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:


That's a really good set.  Your technique and composition are excellent.

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:


On May 21, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
to pay them a visit.


Very cool.

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Hmm. Not sure whether to take that as sarcasm or not, Steven. It's OK if I 
should, just don't know.

On May 27, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> That's a really good set.  Your technique and composition are excellent.
> 
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> On May 21, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> 
>>> As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
>>> to pay them a visit.
>> 
>> Very cool.
>> 
>> --
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>> Decatur, GA
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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:
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> As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
> to pay them a visit.

Spoken like a true fuckhead.

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That's a really good set.  Your technique and composition are excellent.

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
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> On May 21, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
>> to pay them a visit.
>
> Very cool.
>
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On May 21, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

> As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
> to pay them a visit.

Very cool. 

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Ann Sanfedele]

Well I havent seen the Tribune shots or the Sun times but I think what 
you are calling the lack of emotion is a GOOD thing - more objectivity 
instead of going for the cheap thrill.  Nice angles, intersting 
subjects, fine exposures.


Send the link to the tribune shots of one can go to see them without 
logging in or paying :-)


xo,
ann

On 5/22/2012 11:09, Christine Aguila wrote:

Thanks, Chris!  I've been comparing my shots with the shots with the galleries 
on the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times newspaper web sites and have made 
some observations.

1)  The Tribune photographers have done a far superior job over the Sun-Times 
photographers.  The Tribune photos have strong emotion from beginning to end, 
excellent up close composition,  dramatic moments, and a great variety of 
shooting angles.

2) The Sun-Times photos appear to me to be much more amateurish and lack the 
powerful emotion necessary for great photojournalism.  And, of course, my shots 
are even more amateurish.

3) Not marching kept me from getting compelling shots.  The rally at the 
bandshell was a kind of poser moment for everyone, with folks staging to head 
out to the real show--or put another way, heading out to *become* the show.

4) It's been interesting to compare shots of the same subject.  For example, the "don't trade 
on me" shot I took has saturated blacks--and the rendering is a little odd to my eye, and at 
first I thought my camera was doing something funky, but when I saw the newspaper photos of 
"don't trade on me", the rendering in those shots was very similar--saturated blacks 
etc--so it wasn't just me or my camera.

5) It's also been interesting to see similar people show up in the newspaper shots.  I 
ran into a student I had a year ago at the peace rally, so I took a photo, and she was 
also in one of the Tribune shots.  And the Tribune also has a shot of the "Grateful 
Great Grandma" taking a rest during the march.  I photographed the ole gal at the 
Nurses Rally on Friday.

6) Photographically this has been a fantastic experience for me--comparing the 
professional shots with my own--on the same subject-- has really revealed the 
shortcomings in my work--which is the lack of strong emotion.

Still, it was a great day of shooting, practicing my skills, being part of 
history, and despite the shortcomings in my photos, I still have a very nice 
remembrance of the day.  Today I'm going to make some small prints for the 
scrap book, as it were.

Cheers, Christine







On May 22, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:


Super stuff Christine. As with others, "Don't Trade on me" is a really
good shot.

Chris

On 21 May 2012 02:19, Christine Aguila  wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Darrel&  I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, and I 
have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so much more 
interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, and everyone was 
really, really nice.

The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
protestors, and a lot of funny signage.

Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a very 
compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.

Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for family 
hour, as it were.

Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly went 
as spectator and photographer.

http://www.caguila.com/natoshort

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Derby!  Our newspapers here reported the same wedding, and I believe 
there was another wedding downtown as well.  And right on about your comment 
about protesting.  Cheers, Christine




On May 22, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

> 
> 
> It is really fascinating to see this set, Christine. I am ashamed the stories 
> that have filtered through the Australian media are superficial to say the 
> least. Thank DARPA for the internet (joke)
> 
> http://www.smh.com.au/world/wedding-crashers-bride-emerges-from-church-to-be-surrounded-by-thousands-of-protesters-20120521-1yzoq.html
> 
> Civilised protests, whatever one may think of the cause, would really be 
> missed if the alternative was the situation in Syria.
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/05/2012 11:19 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>> Hi Everyone:
>> 
>> Darrel&  I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, and 
>> I have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so much 
>> more interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, and 
>> everyone was really, really nice.
>> 
>> The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
>> protestors, and a lot of funny signage.
>> 
>> Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a 
>> very compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.
>> 
>> Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for family 
>> hour, as it were.
>> 
>> Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly 
>> went as spectator and photographer.
>> 
>> http://www.caguila.com/natoshort
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Thanks, Chris!  I've been comparing my shots with the shots with the galleries 
on the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times newspaper web sites and have made 
some observations.

1)  The Tribune photographers have done a far superior job over the Sun-Times 
photographers.  The Tribune photos have strong emotion from beginning to end, 
excellent up close composition,  dramatic moments, and a great variety of 
shooting angles.

2) The Sun-Times photos appear to me to be much more amateurish and lack the 
powerful emotion necessary for great photojournalism.  And, of course, my shots 
are even more amateurish.

3) Not marching kept me from getting compelling shots.  The rally at the 
bandshell was a kind of poser moment for everyone, with folks staging to head 
out to the real show--or put another way, heading out to *become* the show.

4) It's been interesting to compare shots of the same subject.  For example, 
the "don't trade on me" shot I took has saturated blacks--and the rendering is 
a little odd to my eye, and at first I thought my camera was doing something 
funky, but when I saw the newspaper photos of "don't trade on me", the 
rendering in those shots was very similar--saturated blacks etc--so it wasn't 
just me or my camera.

5) It's also been interesting to see similar people show up in the newspaper 
shots.  I ran into a student I had a year ago at the peace rally, so I took a 
photo, and she was also in one of the Tribune shots.  And the Tribune also has 
a shot of the "Grateful Great Grandma" taking a rest during the march.  I 
photographed the ole gal at the Nurses Rally on Friday.

6) Photographically this has been a fantastic experience for me--comparing the 
professional shots with my own--on the same subject-- has really revealed the 
shortcomings in my work--which is the lack of strong emotion.  

Still, it was a great day of shooting, practicing my skills, being part of 
history, and despite the shortcomings in my photos, I still have a very nice 
remembrance of the day.  Today I'm going to make some small prints for the 
scrap book, as it were.

Cheers, Christine






 
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> Super stuff Christine. As with others, "Don't Trade on me" is a really
> good shot.
> 
> Chris
> 
> On 21 May 2012 02:19, Christine Aguila  wrote:
>> Hi Everyone:
>> 
>> Darrel & I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, and 
>> I have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so much 
>> more interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, and 
>> everyone was really, really nice.
>> 
>> The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
>> protestors, and a lot of funny signage.
>> 
>> Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a 
>> very compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.
>> 
>> Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for family 
>> hour, as it were.
>> 
>> Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly 
>> went as spectator and photographer.
>> 
>> http://www.caguila.com/natoshort
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[John Sessoms]

From: "Daniel J. Matyola"


I love the dude in the tree!? Nice photographic journalism.

As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
to pay them a visit.


I don't know about you, but I remember taking an oath to "protect and 
defend the Constitution".


As far as I know, the part about "the right of the people peaceably to 
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." 
hasn't been revoked *yet*, no matter what some people in the Department 
of Homeland Security seem to think.


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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Derby Chang]

It is really fascinating to see this set, Christine. I am ashamed the 
stories that have filtered through the Australian media are superficial 
to say the least. Thank DARPA for the internet (joke)


http://www.smh.com.au/world/wedding-crashers-bride-emerges-from-church-to-be-surrounded-by-thousands-of-protesters-20120521-1yzoq.html

Civilised protests, whatever one may think of the cause, would really be 
missed if the alternative was the situation in Syria.




On 21/05/2012 11:19 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Darrel&  I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, and I 
have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so much more 
interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, and everyone was 
really, really nice.

The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
protestors, and a lot of funny signage.

Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a very 
compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.

Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for family 
hour, as it were.

Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly went 
as spectator and photographer.

http://www.caguila.com/natoshort

Cheers, Christine/Chicago


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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Chris Mitchell]

Super stuff Christine. As with others, "Don't Trade on me" is a really
good shot.

Chris

On 21 May 2012 02:19, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
>
> Darrel & I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, and 
> I have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so much 
> more interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, and 
> everyone was really, really nice.
>
> The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
> protestors, and a lot of funny signage.
>
> Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a 
> very compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.
>
> Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for family 
> hour, as it were.
>
> Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly 
> went as spectator and photographer.
>
> http://www.caguila.com/natoshort
>
> Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, everyone!  Cheers, Christine



On May 21, 2012, at 11:02 AM, "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:

> I love the dude in the tree!  Nice photographic journalism.
> 
> As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
> to pay them a visit.
> 
> Dan
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Christine Aguila
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Ann!  No, never got caught up in any violence.  All the pictures are 
>> from the rally at Petrillo.  The wooded area turned into a staging area for 
>> marchers, readying themselves to head down to McCormick place, so it was 
>> very family orientated prior to the actual march.
>> 
>> I was going to march, but in the end decided against it.  Even if I had 
>> marched, I think I would have been just fine.  It was the Black Block 
>> protesters (which I labeled Ninja protesters in the gallery) that for the 
>> most part antagonized the police, but that was their intent, and if you view 
>> the Chicago Tribune gallery, they got what they intended.
>> 
>> Darrel went with me, and he would have marched if I wanted to, but in the 
>> end I decided to keep us both safe, so we took some pictures, had lunch and 
>> a coffee, then headed home on the EL.  Public transportation was a breeze.  
>> I expected heavier crowds, but never saw them.
>> 
>> Rick Wormer's daughter is working as a street medic.  Maybe Rick will give a 
>> different account via his daughter.
>> 
>> To be sure, mine is a warm and fuzzy gallery of the event :-).  No 
>> photojournalistic heroics on my part for yesterday's event. I was merely 
>> tourist.
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Paul Stenquist]

On May 21, 2012, at 1:33 PM, steve harley wrote:

> on 2012-05-21 11:20 Paul Stenquist wrote
>> 
>> On May 21, 2012, at 1:00 PM, steve harley wrote:
>>> "don't trade on me!" is a new one for me
>>> 
>> 
>> Yeah, that one caught my eye as well. Aside from the fact that it's an 
>> excellent photograph, it left me wondering if they're for or against corn. 
>> Personally, I come and go on that. At this time of year, when we're gettin' 
>> week-old Florida corn, I'm agin it. Soon, when the crop comes in, I'll be 
>> fur it.
> 
> corn is actually a very political subject, but i don't surmise to know 
> exactly what trade angle these protesters were taking
> 
> 
In all seriousness, there are debates about genetic engineering of corn for 
pest control, export and import issues,  and the use of corn for biofuels, 
which raises food prices. But as you say, there's no clear position indicated 
here. Perhaps this sign was ancillary to some other material. 

Paul
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[Daniel J. Matyola]

It was, of course, just a little joke, Steve.
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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> on 2012-05-21 10:02 Daniel J. Matyola wrote
>>
>> I love the dude in the tree!  Nice photographic journalism.
>>
>> As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
>> to pay them a visit.
>
>
> i'm _glad_ you don't have it — your days of defending the constitution seem
> to be over
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Boris Liberman]

On 5/21/2012 04:19, Christine Aguila wrote:

Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I
mainly went as spectator and photographer.

http://www.caguila.com/natoshort

Cheers, Christine/Chicago


You did an excellent photo-journalistic work, Christine. I almost felt I 
walked by you around and about.


Boris

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[steve harley]

on 2012-05-21 11:20 Paul Stenquist wrote


On May 21, 2012, at 1:00 PM, steve harley wrote:

"don't trade on me!" is a new one for me



Yeah, that one caught my eye as well. Aside from the fact that it's an 
excellent photograph, it left me wondering if they're for or against corn. 
Personally, I come and go on that. At this time of year, when we're gettin' 
week-old Florida corn, I'm agin it. Soon, when the crop comes in, I'll be fur 
it.


corn is actually a very political subject, but i don't surmise to know exactly 
what trade angle these protesters were taking






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On May 21, 2012, at 1:00 PM, steve harley wrote:

> on 2012-05-20 19:19 Christine Aguila wrote
>> Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly 
>> went as spectator and photographer.
>> 
>> http://www.caguila.com/natoshort
> 
> very engaging set; i like how you distilled the messages and personalities, 
> including a few extreme ones
> 
> "don't trade on me!" is a new one for me
> 

Yeah, that one caught my eye as well. Aside from the fact that it's an 
excellent photograph, it left me wondering if they're for or against corn. 
Personally, I come and go on that. At this time of year, when we're gettin' 
week-old Florida corn, I'm agin it. Soon, when the crop comes in, I'll be fur 
it. 

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[steve harley]

on 2012-05-21 10:02 Daniel J. Matyola wrote

I love the dude in the tree!  Nice photographic journalism.

As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
to pay them a visit.


i'm _glad_ you don't have it — your days of defending the constitution seem to 
be over


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[steve harley]

on 2012-05-20 19:19 Christine Aguila wrote

Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly went 
as spectator and photographer.

http://www.caguila.com/natoshort


very engaging set; i like how you distilled the messages and personalities, 
including a few extreme ones


"don't trade on me!" is a new one for me

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I love the dude in the tree!  Nice photographic journalism.

As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
to pay them a visit.

Dan
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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Christine Aguila
 wrote:
>
> Thanks, Ann!  No, never got caught up in any violence.  All the pictures are 
> from the rally at Petrillo.  The wooded area turned into a staging area for 
> marchers, readying themselves to head down to McCormick place, so it was very 
> family orientated prior to the actual march.
>
> I was going to march, but in the end decided against it.  Even if I had 
> marched, I think I would have been just fine.  It was the Black Block 
> protesters (which I labeled Ninja protesters in the gallery) that for the 
> most part antagonized the police, but that was their intent, and if you view 
> the Chicago Tribune gallery, they got what they intended.
>
> Darrel went with me, and he would have marched if I wanted to, but in the end 
> I decided to keep us both safe, so we took some pictures, had lunch and a 
> coffee, then headed home on the EL.  Public transportation was a breeze.  I 
> expected heavier crowds, but never saw them.
>
> Rick Wormer's daughter is working as a street medic.  Maybe Rick will give a 
> different account via his daughter.
>
> To be sure, mine is a warm and fuzzy gallery of the event :-).  No 
> photojournalistic heroics on my part for yesterday's event. I was merely 
> tourist.
>
> Cheers, Christine/Chicago

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[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Ann!  No, never got caught up in any violence.  All the pictures are 
from the rally at Petrillo.  The wooded area turned into a staging area for 
marchers, readying themselves to head down to McCormick place, so it was very 
family orientated prior to the actual march.

I was going to march, but in the end decided against it.  Even if I had 
marched, I think I would have been just fine.  It was the Black Block 
protesters (which I labeled Ninja protesters in the gallery) that for the most 
part antagonized the police, but that was their intent, and if you view the 
Chicago Tribune gallery, they got what they intended.

Darrel went with me, and he would have marched if I wanted to, but in the end I 
decided to keep us both safe, so we took some pictures, had lunch and a coffee, 
then headed home on the EL.  Public transportation was a breeze.  I expected 
heavier crowds, but never saw them.

Rick Wormer's daughter is working as a street medic.  Maybe Rick will give a 
different account via his daughter.

To be sure, mine is a warm and fuzzy gallery of the event :-).  No 
photojournalistic heroics on my part for yesterday's event. I was merely 
tourist.

Cheers, Christine/Chicago






On May 21, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> Good STuff, Christine!
> 
> I'm glad you didn't get caught up in any of the violence that ensued (later? 
> or just elsewhere?)
> 
> It's deja vu all over again
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 5/21/2012 10:38, Christine Aguila wrote:
>> Thanks, Paul!  Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>>> Some excellent photos. Very colorful. I particularly like the girl with the 
>>> yellow "Another World is Possible" sign. Lots of other good ones.
>>> Paul
>>> On May 20, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 Darrel&  I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, 
 and I have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so 
 much more interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, 
 and everyone was really, really nice.
 
 The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
 protestors, and a lot of funny signage.
 
 Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a 
 very compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.
 
 Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for 
 family hour, as it were.
 
 Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly 
 went as spectator and photographer.
 
 http://www.caguila.com/natoshort
 
 Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Good STuff, Christine!

I'm glad you didn't get caught up in any of the violence that ensued 
(later? or just elsewhere?)


It's deja vu all over again

ann


On 5/21/2012 10:38, Christine Aguila wrote:

Thanks, Paul!  Cheers, Christine


On May 20, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:


Some excellent photos. Very colorful. I particularly like the girl with the yellow 
"Another World is Possible" sign. Lots of other good ones.
Paul
On May 20, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:


Hi Everyone:

Darrel&  I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, and I 
have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so much more 
interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, and everyone was 
really, really nice.

The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
protestors, and a lot of funny signage.

Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a very 
compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.

Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for family 
hour, as it were.

Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly went 
as spectator and photographer.

http://www.caguila.com/natoshort

Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Thanks, Frank!  Cheers, Christine


On May 20, 2012, at 10:12 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Too many good ones to pick favourites. Wonderful gallery. I really got a 
> flavour of the event while going through them.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: Christine Aguila 
> Sent: May 20, 2012 5/20/12
> To: PDML List 
> Subject: Today's Peace Rally
> 
> Hi Everyone:
> 
> Darrel & I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, and 
> I have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so much 
> more interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, and 
> everyone was really, really nice.
> 
> The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
> protestors, and a lot of funny signage.
> 
> Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a 
> very compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.
> 
> Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for family 
> hour, as it were.
> 
> Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly 
> went as spectator and photographer.
> 
> http://www.caguila.com/natoshort
> 
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Thanks, Paul!  Cheers, Christine


On May 20, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Some excellent photos. Very colorful. I particularly like the girl with the 
> yellow "Another World is Possible" sign. Lots of other good ones.
> Paul
> On May 20, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone:
>> 
>> Darrel & I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, and 
>> I have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so much 
>> more interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, and 
>> everyone was really, really nice.
>> 
>> The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
>> protestors, and a lot of funny signage.
>> 
>> Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a 
>> very compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.
>> 
>> Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for family 
>> hour, as it were.
>> 
>> Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly 
>> went as spectator and photographer.
>> 
>> http://www.caguila.com/natoshort
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Too many good ones to pick favourites. Wonderful gallery. I really got a 
flavour of the event while going through them.

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
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--- Original Message ---

From: Christine Aguila 
Sent: May 20, 2012 5/20/12
To: PDML List 
Subject: Today's Peace Rally

Hi Everyone:

Darrel & I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, and I 
have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so much more 
interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, and everyone was 
really, really nice.

The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
protestors, and a lot of funny signage.

Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a very 
compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.

Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for family 
hour, as it were.

Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly went 
as spectator and photographer.

http://www.caguila.com/natoshort

Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

[Paul Stenquist]

Some excellent photos. Very colorful. I particularly like the girl with the 
yellow "Another World is Possible" sign. Lots of other good ones.
Paul
On May 20, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> Hi Everyone:
> 
> Darrel & I headed down to the Petrillo Band Shell to listen to speakers, and 
> I have to say, that part was kind of lame.  The nurses' rally was so much 
> more interesting and fun.  But today the people watching was great, and 
> everyone was really, really nice.
> 
> The gallery shows Jesse Jackson Sr. giving an interview, a few Canadian 
> protestors, and a lot of funny signage.
> 
> Skirmishes with the police have been reported.  The Chicago Tribune has a 
> very compelling gallery of photos if you're interested.
> 
> Darrel and I witnessed no violence, but the truth is we showed up for family 
> hour, as it were.
> 
> Anyway, I'm glad we went to see this historic event.  To be sure, I mainly 
> went as spectator and photographer.
> 
> http://www.caguila.com/natoshort
> 
> Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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