Re: Strange thing
I didn't even know about that one. What I remember affected manual focus lenses & bodies. But it may have been more or less the same problem, an extra part that caused the lens to get stuck. On 9/7/2022 5:46 PM, Richard Dell wrote: Ricoh added an extra contact pin, which would get "caught" in the AF screw area or such. I've removed some for using Ricoh tele-extenders. https://austerityphoto.co.uk/k-mount-lens-carnage-with-the-infamous-ricoh-pin/ On September 7, 2022 1:38:45 PM AKDT, John Sessoms wrote: I vaguely remember there was a problem either with Ricoh cameras or Ricoh lenses back in film days. They used the K-mount bayonet, but there was something they did different and either Ricoh lenses would get stuck if you mounted them on a Pentax camera or Pentax lenses would get stuck on Ricoh cameras. I wish I remembered more specifically what the problem was, and I don't know if this relates to Bob's problem, but I hope it might somehow help. On 9/6/2022 11:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Hi Bob! Hmm. I'd seen some odd-ball Pentax lens mount stuff over the days when I was mucking with a bunch of Pentax -M and -A lenses and adapters. Never had a 120mm, I'd be interested to see what the rear mounting flange looks like. I know a couple of Pentax lenses had to have the diaphragm control lever modified to fit one or another lens mount adapter out of the bunch that I had… If the server kills your email if you embed a link, drop a line to my personal email. :) G — Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Sep 5, 2022, at 7:12 AM, Bob Pdml wrote: Well, two strange things really. First is an on-topic message from me. Second is an oddity with a Pentax-M 120mm f2.8 lens that I have. If anyone here has one of these, could you please compare the back of it with your other M lenses? I have been doing some informal ‘shoot outs’ with my Pentax-M lenses and my Leica lenses, and will put them online if anyone is interested. Anyway, I have been using my Leica M10 monochrome body for all the shots, and a Novoflex adapter for the Pentax lenses, without any problems. Except that the 120mm lens doesn’t fit the adapter. On closer inspection, the bit at the back (sorry for the technical jargon) of the 120mm lens where the aperture levers are is significantly different from the other lenses. The photos at this link show you. The 120mm is on the left; the other lens is a 135mm, which is about the same size. (A link to some pictures should go here, but the server keeps rejecting my emails with links. I’ll try to find another way of showing the pictures). On the 135mm and other lenses there are some concentric grooves at the back, and it is stepped down. The 120mm is plain, and doesn’t have the step. On the adapter there is a flange which goes down into the dropped part of the step when you put a lens on, and of course it can’t do this on the plain back end of the 120mm, so the adapter won’t go on the lens. The lens fits my Pentax MX fine, as well as a number of other MXes I’ve been evaluating with a view to buying a new one. As far as I know it doesn’t affect anything when shooting. However, I need to test this lens specifically as any problems it causes may have become mixed up with problems which have caused me to reject other cameras. It’s possible that someone has had the lens altered for some reason, although it is otherwise mint-, but it looks almost like a KF mount. Anybody else have one like this? Thanks, Bob -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
> On Sep 7, 2022, at 2:38 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > I vaguely remember there was a problem either with Ricoh cameras or Ricoh > lenses back in film days. They used the K-mount bayonet, but there was > something they did different and either Ricoh lenses would get stuck if you > mounted them on a Pentax camera or Pentax lenses would get stuck on Ricoh > cameras. > > I wish I remembered more specifically what the problem was, and I don't know > if this relates to Bob's problem, but I hope it might somehow help. There was a pin on Ricoh lenses that would catch on something on a Pentax body and you wouldn’t be able to take the lens off the body. > > > On 9/6/2022 11:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> Hi Bob! >> Hmm. I'd seen some odd-ball Pentax lens mount stuff over the days when I was >> mucking with a bunch of Pentax -M and -A lenses and adapters. Never had a >> 120mm, I'd be interested to see what the rear mounting flange looks like. I >> know a couple of Pentax lenses had to have the diaphragm control lever >> modified to fit one or another lens mount adapter out of the bunch that I >> had… >> If the server kills your email if you embed a link, drop a line to my >> personal email. :) >> G >> — >> Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com >>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 7:12 AM, Bob Pdml wrote: >>> >>> Well, two strange things really. >>> >>> First is an on-topic message from me. >>> >>> Second is an oddity with a Pentax-M 120mm f2.8 lens that I have. >>> >>> If anyone here has one of these, could you please compare the back of it >>> with your other M lenses? >>> >>> I have been doing some informal ‘shoot outs’ with my Pentax-M lenses and my >>> Leica lenses, and will put them online if anyone is interested. Anyway, I >>> have been using my Leica M10 monochrome body for all the shots, and a >>> Novoflex adapter for the Pentax lenses, without any problems. >>> >>> Except that the 120mm lens doesn’t fit the adapter. >>> >>> On closer inspection, the bit at the back (sorry for the technical jargon) >>> of the 120mm lens where the aperture levers are is significantly different >>> from the other lenses. The photos at this link show you. The 120mm is on >>> the left; the other lens is a 135mm, which is about the same size. >>> >>> (A link to some pictures should go here, but the server keeps rejecting my >>> emails with links. I’ll try to find another way of showing the pictures). >>> >>> On the 135mm and other lenses there are some concentric grooves at the >>> back, and it is stepped down. The 120mm is plain, and doesn’t have the step. >>> >>> On the adapter there is a flange which goes down into the dropped part of >>> the step when you put a lens on, and of course it can’t do this on the >>> plain back end of the 120mm, so the adapter won’t go on the lens. >>> >>> The lens fits my Pentax MX fine, as well as a number of other MXes I’ve >>> been evaluating with a view to buying a new one. As far as I know it >>> doesn’t affect anything when shooting. However, I need to test this lens >>> specifically as any problems it causes may have become mixed up with >>> problems which have caused me to reject other cameras. >>> >>> It’s possible that someone has had the lens altered for some reason, >>> although it is otherwise mint-, but it looks almost like a KF mount. >>> >>> Anybody else have one like this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Bob >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. > www.avg.com > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from ret4est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
I vaguely remember there was a problem either with Ricoh cameras or Ricoh lenses back in film days. They used the K-mount bayonet, but there was something they did different and either Ricoh lenses would get stuck if you mounted them on a Pentax camera or Pentax lenses would get stuck on Ricoh cameras. I wish I remembered more specifically what the problem was, and I don't know if this relates to Bob's problem, but I hope it might somehow help. On 9/6/2022 11:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Hi Bob! Hmm. I'd seen some odd-ball Pentax lens mount stuff over the days when I was mucking with a bunch of Pentax -M and -A lenses and adapters. Never had a 120mm, I'd be interested to see what the rear mounting flange looks like. I know a couple of Pentax lenses had to have the diaphragm control lever modified to fit one or another lens mount adapter out of the bunch that I had… If the server kills your email if you embed a link, drop a line to my personal email. :) G — Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Sep 5, 2022, at 7:12 AM, Bob Pdml wrote: Well, two strange things really. First is an on-topic message from me. Second is an oddity with a Pentax-M 120mm f2.8 lens that I have. If anyone here has one of these, could you please compare the back of it with your other M lenses? I have been doing some informal ‘shoot outs’ with my Pentax-M lenses and my Leica lenses, and will put them online if anyone is interested. Anyway, I have been using my Leica M10 monochrome body for all the shots, and a Novoflex adapter for the Pentax lenses, without any problems. Except that the 120mm lens doesn’t fit the adapter. On closer inspection, the bit at the back (sorry for the technical jargon) of the 120mm lens where the aperture levers are is significantly different from the other lenses. The photos at this link show you. The 120mm is on the left; the other lens is a 135mm, which is about the same size. (A link to some pictures should go here, but the server keeps rejecting my emails with links. I’ll try to find another way of showing the pictures). On the 135mm and other lenses there are some concentric grooves at the back, and it is stepped down. The 120mm is plain, and doesn’t have the step. On the adapter there is a flange which goes down into the dropped part of the step when you put a lens on, and of course it can’t do this on the plain back end of the 120mm, so the adapter won’t go on the lens. The lens fits my Pentax MX fine, as well as a number of other MXes I’ve been evaluating with a view to buying a new one. As far as I know it doesn’t affect anything when shooting. However, I need to test this lens specifically as any problems it causes may have become mixed up with problems which have caused me to reject other cameras. It’s possible that someone has had the lens altered for some reason, although it is otherwise mint-, but it looks almost like a KF mount. Anybody else have one like this? Thanks, Bob -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
Hi Godfrey, I hope this gets through to PDML. I’ll send you a picture separately, but I found some photos online of other examples of the M 120/2.8 and they all have the same rear end as mine, so it must be the way it was designed, and the Novoflex adapter hasn’t taken it into account. The global market for people for people wanting to put this particular lens model on a Leica is probably in the neighbourhood of 1, so I’m not surprised… B > On 6 Sep 2022, at 16:35, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Hi Bob! > > Hmm. I'd seen some odd-ball Pentax lens mount stuff over the days when I was > mucking with a bunch of Pentax -M and -A lenses and adapters. Never had a > 120mm, I'd be interested to see what the rear mounting flange looks like. I > know a couple of Pentax lenses had to have the diaphragm control lever > modified to fit one or another lens mount adapter out of the bunch that I > had… > > If the server kills your email if you embed a link, drop a line to my > personal email. :) > > G > — > Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Strange thing
Well, two strange things really. First is an on-topic message from me. Second is an oddity with a Pentax-M 120mm f2.8 lens that I have. If anyone here has one of these, could you please compare the back of it with your other M lenses? I have been doing some informal ‘shoot outs’ with my Pentax-M lenses and my Leica lenses, and will put them online if anyone is interested. Anyway, I have been using my Leica M10 monochrome body for all the shots, and a Novoflex adapter for the Pentax lenses, without any problems. Except that the 120mm lens doesn’t fit the adapter. On closer inspection, the bit at the back (sorry for the technical jargon) of the 120mm lens where the aperture levers are is significantly different from the other lenses. The photos at this link show you. The 120mm is on the left; the other lens is a 135mm, which is about the same size. (A link to some pictures should go here, but the server keeps rejecting my emails with links. I’ll try to find another way of showing the pictures). On the 135mm and other lenses there are some concentric grooves at the back, and it is stepped down. The 120mm is plain, and doesn’t have the step. On the adapter there is a flange which goes down into the dropped part of the step when you put a lens on, and of course it can’t do this on the plain back end of the 120mm, so the adapter won’t go on the lens. The lens fits my Pentax MX fine, as well as a number of other MXes I’ve been evaluating with a view to buying a new one. As far as I know it doesn’t affect anything when shooting. However, I need to test this lens specifically as any problems it causes may have become mixed up with problems which have caused me to reject other cameras. It’s possible that someone has had the lens altered for some reason, although it is otherwise mint-, but it looks almost like a KF mount. Anybody else have one like this? Thanks, Bob -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
That's true but at least I've mitigated the headache for the time being. I'm sending this via newly installed Seamonkey mail client - we'll see how it works. Mark P. J. Alling wrote: Along with bug fixes, a lot of the Thunderbird updates are to fix security issues. No one wants to acknowledge security holes in their software, so unless it's one that's become an actual problem with a documented exploit, it probably won't be mentioned in the release notes. I hate to bow to an arrogant SOB of a developer who introduces a bug and through ignorance and due to just plain pigheadedness refuses to admit he's wrong, but falling back to a previous version, probably isn't the best idea, unless something more serious is broken. As I said I removed the "regular" reply button from the in message toolbar and haven't accidentally replied off list since. The smart reply button works the way you'd expect it to if the regular reply button isn't there. On 7/4/2017 11:05 AM, Mark C wrote: Yea! Uninstalling and re-installing 45.8.0 was super fast and easy and solved the problem. Prior releases are archived by Mozilla here: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/ On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird: http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
I have almost the same excuses for misspelling "grammar". > On 04 July 2017 at 13:40 "P. J. Alling" wrote: > > > It was late at night, I was tired, (I seem to post a lot like that), at > least I wasn't drunk. At least, I don't think I was. > > > On 7/4/2017 2:44 AM, mike wilson wrote: > >> On 04 July 2017 at 07:22 "P. J. Alling" wrote: > >> > >> > >> It must be a sign of old age, and I cannot remember who on the list put > >> me on to this, I suppose I could look it up but that's not important now. > >> > >> Ann, on the header of an email to the right of the reply button, right > >> click and choose customize, it should be the only choice you get. > >> > >> That will open the tool pallet. > > My gammar-nazi heart wants to do something with this; my > > you-should-be-on-your-way-to-work brain says I should let it lie. > > > >> Click on the reply button, and drag it to the pallet. > >> > >> Close the pallet. > >> > >> The straight reply button is now on the pallet. > >> > >> The smart reply which is now the only visible reply button will work > >> more or less properly, so it will default to reply list if you're > >> looking at a mail list email, and it will reply to an individual if the > >> email is from an individual. You'll also have the option of replying > >> to the person who sent the email to the list by clicking the down arrow. > >> > >> It's almost as good as if the reply button wasn't broken. > >> > >> > >> On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > >>> Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) > >>> > >>> alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead > >>> of jsut REPLY - > >>> some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i > >>> said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion > >>> > >>> At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work > >>> time than weekdays > >>> > >>> ann > >>> > >>> On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: > I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at > least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
That works! thanks PJ - although it doesn't say "smart reply" it just says "reply list" now.. when I get mail from PDML THANKS much! I feel as you do that the upgrades are probably necessary for safety ann On 7/4/2017 2:22 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: It must be a sign of old age, and I cannot remember who on the list put me on to this, I suppose I could look it up but that's not important now. Ann, on the header of an email to the right of the reply button, right click and choose customize, it should be the only choice you get. That will open the tool pallet. Click on the reply button, and drag it to the pallet. Close the pallet. The straight reply button is now on the pallet. The smart reply which is now the only visible reply button will work more or less properly, so it will default to reply list if you're looking at a mail list email, and it will reply to an individual if the email is from an individual. You'll also have the option of replying to the person who sent the email to the list by clicking the down arrow. It's almost as good as if the reply button wasn't broken. On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
Along with bug fixes, a lot of the Thunderbird updates are to fix security issues. No one wants to acknowledge security holes in their software, so unless it's one that's become an actual problem with a documented exploit, it probably won't be mentioned in the release notes. I hate to bow to an arrogant SOB of a developer who introduces a bug and through ignorance and due to just plain pigheadedness refuses to admit he's wrong, but falling back to a previous version, probably isn't the best idea, unless something more serious is broken. As I said I removed the "regular" reply button from the in message toolbar and haven't accidentally replied off list since. The smart reply button works the way you'd expect it to if the regular reply button isn't there. On 7/4/2017 11:05 AM, Mark C wrote: Yea! Uninstalling and re-installing 45.8.0 was super fast and easy and solved the problem. Prior releases are archived by Mozilla here: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/ On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird: http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
Yea! Uninstalling and re-installing 45.8.0 was super fast and easy and solved the problem. Prior releases are archived by Mozilla here: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/ On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird: http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
It was late at night, I was tired, (I seem to post a lot like that), at least I wasn't drunk. At least, I don't think I was. On 7/4/2017 2:44 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 04 July 2017 at 07:22 "P. J. Alling" wrote: It must be a sign of old age, and I cannot remember who on the list put me on to this, I suppose I could look it up but that's not important now. Ann, on the header of an email to the right of the reply button, right click and choose customize, it should be the only choice you get. That will open the tool pallet. My gammar-nazi heart wants to do something with this; my you-should-be-on-your-way-to-work brain says I should let it lie. Click on the reply button, and drag it to the pallet. Close the pallet. The straight reply button is now on the pallet. The smart reply which is now the only visible reply button will work more or less properly, so it will default to reply list if you're looking at a mail list email, and it will reply to an individual if the email is from an individual. You'll also have the option of replying to the person who sent the email to the list by clicking the down arrow. It's almost as good as if the reply button wasn't broken. On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
> On 04 July 2017 at 07:22 "P. J. Alling" wrote: > > > It must be a sign of old age, and I cannot remember who on the list put > me on to this, I suppose I could look it up but that's not important now. > > Ann, on the header of an email to the right of the reply button, right > click and choose customize, it should be the only choice you get. > > That will open the tool pallet. My gammar-nazi heart wants to do something with this; my you-should-be-on-your-way-to-work brain says I should let it lie. > > Click on the reply button, and drag it to the pallet. > > Close the pallet. > > The straight reply button is now on the pallet. > > The smart reply which is now the only visible reply button will work > more or less properly, so it will default to reply list if you're > looking at a mail list email, and it will reply to an individual if the > email is from an individual. You'll also have the option of replying > to the person who sent the email to the list by clicking the down arrow. > > It's almost as good as if the reply button wasn't broken. > > > On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) > > > > alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead > > of jsut REPLY - > > some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i > > said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion > > > > At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work > > time than weekdays > > > > ann > > > > On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: > >> I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at > >> least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
It must be a sign of old age, and I cannot remember who on the list put me on to this, I suppose I could look it up but that's not important now. Ann, on the header of an email to the right of the reply button, right click and choose customize, it should be the only choice you get. That will open the tool pallet. Click on the reply button, and drag it to the pallet. Close the pallet. The straight reply button is now on the pallet. The smart reply which is now the only visible reply button will work more or less properly, so it will default to reply list if you're looking at a mail list email, and it will reply to an individual if the email is from an individual. You'll also have the option of replying to the person who sent the email to the list by clicking the down arrow. It's almost as good as if the reply button wasn't broken. On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
Thanks, john - I haven't gotten to reinstalling but will try this version when I do. APpreciate knowing that his version does not show the bug, since part of what I wanted to do was to see how far back to go. Mark On 7/3/2017 6:29 PM, John wrote: On 7/2/2017 13:36, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I feel your pain, Ann. It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into customize mode. I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there. Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird: http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php Or this one. https://archive.org/details/MozillaThunderbirdV45.8.0 It's the version I'm using and I'm not having the "Reply List" problem. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
On 7/3/2017 6:50 PM, John wrote: If you drag the "Smart Reply" button to the left in "Customize", it swap the location of the "Reply" and "Reply List" buttons when you click "Done". That might help if you're used to clicking the first button to reply to PDML. I don't think it will cause any problems if you click "Reply List" when you are NOT replying to a list message. ** REPLY LIST only shows up as an option when I get mail in my PDML folder - because the TO is pdml@pdml.net If I get mail from an individual and the TO shows my name , all I see is one button that says REPLY ONly list I now subscribe to is PDML -- I dropped all the Scrabble stuff ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing - and another thing
Right click under the buttons on the message pane & select "Customize" and you can drag the "Smart Reply" button that says "Reply List" when it's not in customization mode to swap places with the "Reply" button and it will stay there when you click [Done]. On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote: On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote: Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. That's not my understanding. If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address. You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability. If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply address specified in the "Reply-To" header. (Which, for most email lists, is set to the list email address). The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the original poster (using the address supplied in a different header), and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing - Test #3 "Reply All"
Test #3 - "Reply All" goes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List ... same as "Reply" did. Again, this works with ver. 45.8.0 On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote: On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote: Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. That's not my understanding. If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address. You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability. If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply address specified in the "Reply-To" header. (Which, for most email lists, is set to the list email address). The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the original poster (using the address supplied in a different header), and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing - Test #2 "Reply"
Second Test - ver 45.8.0 "Reply goes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote: On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote: Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. That's not my understanding. If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address. You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability. If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply address specified in the "Reply-To" header. (Which, for most email lists, is set to the list email address). The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the original poster (using the address supplied in a different header), and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing - TEST #1 "Reply List"
First Test - I'm still on 45.8.0 so this may not hold for 52.2.1 Reply List goes To: pdml-at-pdml.net On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote: On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote: Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. That's not my understanding. If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address. You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability. If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply address specified in the "Reply-To" header. (Which, for most email lists, is set to the list email address). The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the original poster (using the address supplied in a different header), and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
That's the way it SHOULD work. I think the new version of Thunderbird broke that. "Reply" goes to the individual sender, "Reply List" goes to the list mailbox and "Reply All" goes to anyone who was "CC:". I don't think the latter works with PDML because it doesn't display the list members as "CC:" On 7/3/2017 02:55, Alan C wrote: Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. Listers would then down load at their leisure. This explains why some posts are received double if "Reply List" is used - once from the list mailbox & once directly from the poster. I think my problem is overzealous filtering either by my ISP or the Avast Firewall. Alan C -Original Message- From: Paul in MKE Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:49 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Strange thing Hmmm. PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to know that PDML is a mailing list - -p On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote: I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but never stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted. On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote: I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar. I just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply All. In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message header you can try this: Open the Customize box for the message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply. Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box. The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or Reply. -p On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
On 7/2/2017 19:59, ann sanfedele wrote: my little boxes have REPLY next to REPLY LIST (and to REPLY ALL I have to open and Scroll to box that says Reply list.. I think those buttons are at the top of the "message pane". Top left is a list of folders; Top right has a list of messages; the actual messages are all the way across the bottom half of the Thunderbird window. I have [Reply] [Reply List {down arrow}] [Forward] [Archive] [Junk] [Delete]. The {down arrow} gives me Reply List -divider- Reply All and Reply. If you right click just under the buttons on the top of the message pane, you get "Customize". Select that, and you can drag the buttons around, drag them off or drag new buttons on. The button that says "Reply List" changes to "Smart Reply" while you're in customize. If you drag the "Smart Reply" button to the left in "Customize", it swap the location of the "Reply" and "Reply List" buttons when you click "Done". That might help if you're used to clicking the first button to reply to PDML. I don't think it will cause any problems if you click "Reply List" when you are NOT replying to a list message. On 7/2/2017 19:59, ann sanfedele wrote: my little boxes have REPLY next to REPLY LIST (and to REPLY ALL I have to open and Scroll to box that says Reply list.. but remembering that I have to do it for my replies to go to PDML and for my replys to show up in my PDML folder in my inbox, which is where I want 'em. But my mouse just gravitates to the REPLY button I'm used to hitting... and when we get a good pun thread going it really sucks :-) ann On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote: I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar. I just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply All. In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message header you can try this: Open the Customize box for the message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply. Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box. The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or Reply. -p On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
No - not how Thunderbird is now working... If I hit REPLY it goes ONLY to the person whose post I am replying to... If I use Reply List it goes to everyone on the list but it says it is only going to pdml@pdml.net in my "TO" If I use Reply all (as I just did for this ) It is addressed both to PDML and to you, Alan. so you will probably get this twice :-) ann On 7/3/2017 2:55 AM, Alan C wrote: Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. Listers would then down load at their leisure. This explains why some posts are received double if "Reply List" is used - once from the list mailbox & once directly from the poster. I think my problem is overzealous filtering either by my ISP or the Avast Firewall. Alan C -Original Message- From: Paul in MKE Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:49 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Strange thing Hmmm. PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to know that PDML is a mailing list - -p On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote: I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but never stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted. On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote: I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar. I just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply All. In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message header you can try this: Open the Customize box for the message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply. Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box. The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or Reply. -p On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
On 7/2/2017 13:36, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I feel your pain, Ann. It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into customize mode. I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there. Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird: http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php Or this one. https://archive.org/details/MozillaThunderbirdV45.8.0 It's the version I'm using and I'm not having the "Reply List" problem. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
I'm using Thunderbird, but I'm down-level & haven't "upgraded" to the newer version that's causing all the problems. I'm waiting to see if there's another update that fixes the problems caused by the current update. On 7/2/2017 11:29, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
Ann, this is not about Thunderbird. ;-) Jostein Den 02.07.2017 17.29, skrev ann sanfedele: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
That has happened to me for several years already. :-( I looked into routing agreements between providers, but that didn't fit the pattern. An original email from Australia, Russia or the Philippines was just as likely to get lost in space as was the ones from Ohio, Michigan or California. It could be a glitch in the PDML list software, of course, but I find that unlikely. If it was, I kinda think that it would affect the same messages for everyone, which it doesn't. As Dan Matyola says, some may end up in end-user spam folders. Spam filters are in effect at provider level too. I believe what happens is that the email providers have quarantine bots that flag and withhold messages based on simple rules, and then use more sophisticated analysis to release the messages if deemed harmless. This would explain why original postings can arrive from PDML days after its comments; or not arrive at all if it didn't pass the rules. At one point, I subscribed to PDML from both gmail and my own domain to look for differences, and there were. Even when telling gmail and my domain's mail server to "whitelist" everything from pdml.net, some messages were either delayed or lost. And still not always the same messages. Keeping track of two accounts that way was too tedious to be a solution, though, so I grudgingly settled for using my private domain, where I felt that I had more control over the mail filtering. When needed, I go to the PDML archives to see the original posts. Jostein Den 02.07.2017 06.44, skrev Alan C: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
Maybe. For me there is no difference between Reply and Reply List. As far as I can figure out (and I have double checked). All are going to p...@pdlm.net. My problem is, when I have Thunderbird filter by Threads turned on (may be called something else, forget now I got it turned on), when I hit reply then it goes to that thread. My normal method, in the past, for posting a PESO was to just randomly choose a thread and a post and hit REPLY. Fill in a new subject line with PESO - Name and hit return. And that would START a new thread. With Thunderbird show by thread on, it doesn't. Simple solution, though tedious, now when posting a PESO I don't hit reply. I just do a new write, new subject line, and type in pdml@pdml.net for the address (although there must be a macro or something that would fill that in for me). HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-) On 7/3/2017 9:47 AM, John Francis wrote: On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote: Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. That's not my understanding. If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address. You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability. If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply address specified in the "Reply-To" header. (Which, for most email lists, is set to the list email address). The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the original poster (using the address supplied in a different header), and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), > & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to > all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", > then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. That's not my understanding. If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address. You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability. If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply address specified in the "Reply-To" header. (Which, for most email lists, is set to the list email address). The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the original poster (using the address supplied in a different header), and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. Listers would then down load at their leisure. This explains why some posts are received double if "Reply List" is used - once from the list mailbox & once directly from the poster. I think my problem is overzealous filtering either by my ISP or the Avast Firewall. Alan C -Original Message- From: Paul in MKE Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:49 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Strange thing Hmmm. PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to know that PDML is a mailing list - -p On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote: I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but never stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted. On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote: I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar. I just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply All. In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message header you can try this: Open the Customize box for the message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply. Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box. The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or Reply. -p On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Strange thing
Hmmm. PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to know that PDML is a mailing list - -p On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote: I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but never stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted. On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote: I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar. I just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply All. In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message header you can try this: Open the Customize box for the message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply. Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box. The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or Reply. -p On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nothing. Super Sparrow was another. Alan C -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 9:31 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Strange thing Check your spam or junk folder; they seem to be winding up there. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now that's a plan - I'll give it a try. On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I feel your pain, Ann. It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into customize mode. I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there. Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird: http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but never stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted. On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote: I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar. I just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply All. In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message header you can try this: Open the Customize box for the message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply. Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box. The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or Reply. -p On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mine DOES say Reply to list on a button next to Reply - but my mouse finger always hits reply unless I really really concentrate. Don't want to go backwards now - I'm on automatic upgrade - and maybe those security patches they say they are making really are that... I'll get used to it eventually, and then they will fix it right? ann On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I feel your pain, Ann. It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into customize mode. I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there. Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird: http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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my little boxes have REPLY next to REPLY LIST (and to REPLY ALL I have to open and Scroll to box that says Reply list.. but remembering that I have to do it for my replies to go to PDML and for my replys to show up in my PDML folder in my inbox, which is where I want 'em. But my mouse just gravitates to the REPLY button I'm used to hitting... and when we get a good pun thread going it really sucks :-) ann On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote: I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar. I just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply All. In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message header you can try this: Open the Customize box for the message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply. Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box. The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or Reply. -p On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar. I just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply All. In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message header you can try this: Open the Customize box for the message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply. Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box. The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or Reply. -p On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Check your spam or junk folder; they seem to be winding up there. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: > I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) > & have to pick them up in comments instead. > > Alan C > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't know Thunderbird. Presumably "REPLY LIST" & "REPLY" would be the same if there is only 1 address in the original mail? I use Windows Live Mail. Alan C -Original Message- From: ann sanfedele Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 5:29 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Strange thing Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark C wrote: >I feel your pain, Ann. > >It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to >customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next >to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull >the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it >should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal >operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into >customize mode. > >I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and >Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there. Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird: http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Okay, trying it (hitting reply list). Sometimes I am hitting reply which buries my new PESO post in someone else's thread. IE what Ann said. So they are hard to find, sometimes, plus being annoying too. Marnie aka Doe :-O On 7/2/2017 8:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I feel your pain, Ann. It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into customize mode. I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there. Mark On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-) alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of jsut REPLY - some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work time than weekdays ann On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fine art photography is a strange thing...
On 11/11/2011 1:44 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: "P. J. Alling" I want to say now that I don't remember ever seeing the photograph at the link below, never even heard of the Dusseldorf school. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834015392f126e9970b-800wi vs mine http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20surfclubmadisonct.html Now my image isn't overtly manipulated, every element that was there is still there. The only things I did were play with the luminance values and contrast, as I would have done in traditional darkroom work, (which was nearly impossible to do with color in the days before digitization), based on Rhine II I;d bet that's not true of the work by Gursky. Are both works derivative? Probably, I'm sure my vision was influenced by some image I've seen somewhere, and I'll bet his was too. The only difference is that his is Iconic while mine sells for $45.00, in local art shows if it sells at all. I think your problem is the lack of overt manipulation. Take out the ramp on the left. Extend the ocean into the middle ground on the right, cloning the horizon all the way across to remove the beach, the houses, the land ... Blend the clouds into a uniform gray nothingness. And you too can sell wall size C-prints for millions of dollars. Or you can just chalk it up to we already know art photography collectors are idiots and keep on doing what you want to do. Hell, Vincent Van Gogh never sold a painting in his life, and look what his stuff is worth today. FWIW, I like yours better than I like Gursky's. Do you have refrigerator magnets? If you want to pay enought I'll try printing on almost anything. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: "P. J. Alling" I want to say now that I don't remember ever seeing the photograph at the link below, never even heard of the Dusseldorf school. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834015392f126e9970b-800wi vs mine http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20surfclubmadisonct.html Now my image isn't overtly manipulated, every element that was there is still there. The only things I did were play with the luminance values and contrast, as I would have done in traditional darkroom work, (which was nearly impossible to do with color in the days before digitization), based on Rhine II I;d bet that's not true of the work by Gursky. Are both works derivative? Probably, I'm sure my vision was influenced by some image I've seen somewhere, and I'll bet his was too. The only difference is that his is Iconic while mine sells for $45.00, in local art shows if it sells at all. I think your problem is the lack of overt manipulation. Take out the ramp on the left. Extend the ocean into the middle ground on the right, cloning the horizon all the way across to remove the beach, the houses, the land ... Blend the clouds into a uniform gray nothingness. And you too can sell wall size C-prints for millions of dollars. Or you can just chalk it up to we already know art photography collectors are idiots and keep on doing what you want to do. Hell, Vincent Van Gogh never sold a painting in his life, and look what his stuff is worth today. FWIW, I like yours better than I like Gursky's. Do you have refrigerator magnets? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/11/2011 13:37, Doug Brewer wrote: On 11/11/11 11:42 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I want to say now that I don't remember ever seeing the photograph at the link below, never even heard of the Dusseldorf school. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834015392f126e9970b-800wi vs mine http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20surfclubmadisonct.html vs Doug Brewer: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/2009/frameworks.html yeah, I'm aware of both the Dusseldorf School and Thomas Struth's museum work, which I thought of when I took that shot. It's a fine pic, but would be tagged with the "derivative" label in art circles. For what it's worth, PJ, I've considered your shot as more in Joel Meyerowitz's style than from the Dusseldorf School. Oy - simultanous great minds.. my post that I jsut wrote came into my PDML folder a few seconds before yours :-) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/11/2011 11:42, Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I want to say now that I don't remember ever seeing the photograph at the link below, never even heard of the Dusseldorf school. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834015392f126e9970b-800wi vs mine http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20surfclubmadisonct.html vs Doug Brewer: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/2009/frameworks.html I love that photo of Dougs.. and (for the porch photo) there is Joel Meyerwitz... not quite the same angle - but there is another one of his I can't find right now that is. http://www.joelmeyerowitz.com/photography/book_2.asp ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/11/11 11:42 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I want to say now that I don't remember ever seeing the photograph at the link below, never even heard of the Dusseldorf school. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834015392f126e9970b-800wi vs mine http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20surfclubmadisonct.html vs Doug Brewer: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/2009/frameworks.html yeah, I'm aware of both the Dusseldorf School and Thomas Struth's museum work, which I thought of when I took that shot. It's a fine pic, but would be tagged with the "derivative" label in art circles. For what it's worth, PJ, I've considered your shot as more in Joel Meyerowitz's style than from the Dusseldorf School. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I prefer yours as well... Bob S. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > The geometry is strikingly similar as is the effect. In truth, I prefer yours. > Paul > > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >> I want to say now that I don't remember ever seeing the photograph at the >> link below, never even heard of the Dusseldorf school. >> >> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834015392f126e9970b-800wi >> >> vs mine >> >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20surfclubmadisonct.html >> >> Now my image isn't overtly manipulated, every element that was there is >> still there. The only things I did were play with the luminance values and >> contrast, as I would have done in traditional darkroom work, (which was >> nearly impossible to do with color in the days before digitization), based >> on Rhine II I;d bet that's not true of the work by Gursky. Are both works >> derivative? Probably, I'm sure my vision was influenced by some image I've >> seen somewhere, and I'll bet his was too. The only difference is that his >> is Iconic while mine sells for $45.00, in local art shows if it sells at >> all. >> >> -- >> Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid >> a lengthily search. or >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling wrote: >I want to say now that I don't remember ever seeing the photograph at >the link below, never even heard of the Dusseldorf school. > >http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834015392f126e9970b-800wi > >vs mine > >http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20surfclubmadisonct.html vs Doug Brewer: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/2009/frameworks.html -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I wouldn't really call your shot derivative. You weren't the first person to angle your shot like that, but neither was the person who shot the picture on that cover. I myself have shot pictures like the lower picture on that cover, and I've never read anything about the Dusseldorf school. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > I want to say now that I don't remember ever seeing the photograph at the > link below, never even heard of the Dusseldorf school. > > http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834015392f126e9970b-800wi > > vs mine > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20surfclubmadisonct.html > > Now my image isn't overtly manipulated, every element that was there is > still there. The only things I did were play with the luminance values and > contrast, as I would have done in traditional darkroom work, (which was > nearly impossible to do with color in the days before digitization), based > on Rhine II I;d bet that's not true of the work by Gursky. Are both works > derivative? Probably, I'm sure my vision was influenced by some image I've > seen somewhere, and I'll bet his was too. The only difference is that his > is Iconic while mine sells for $45.00, in local art shows if it sells at > all. > > -- > Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid > a lengthily search. or > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fine art photography is a strange thing...
The geometry is strikingly similar as is the effect. In truth, I prefer yours. Paul On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > I want to say now that I don't remember ever seeing the photograph at the > link below, never even heard of the Dusseldorf school. > > http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834015392f126e9970b-800wi > > vs mine > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20surfclubmadisonct.html > > Now my image isn't overtly manipulated, every element that was there is still > there. The only things I did were play with the luminance values and > contrast, as I would have done in traditional darkroom work, (which was > nearly impossible to do with color in the days before digitization), based on > Rhine II I;d bet that's not true of the work by Gursky. Are both works > derivative? Probably, I'm sure my vision was influenced by some image I've > seen somewhere, and I'll bet his was too. The only difference is that his is > Iconic while mine sells for $45.00, in local art shows if it sells at all. > > -- > Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a > lengthily search. or > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Fine art photography is a strange thing...
I want to say now that I don't remember ever seeing the photograph at the link below, never even heard of the Dusseldorf school. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834015392f126e9970b-800wi vs mine http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20surfclubmadisonct.html Now my image isn't overtly manipulated, every element that was there is still there. The only things I did were play with the luminance values and contrast, as I would have done in traditional darkroom work, (which was nearly impossible to do with color in the days before digitization), based on Rhine II I;d bet that's not true of the work by Gursky. Are both works derivative? Probably, I'm sure my vision was influenced by some image I've seen somewhere, and I'll bet his was too. The only difference is that his is Iconic while mine sells for $45.00, in local art shows if it sells at all. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. or -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.