Re: PESO: Lunchtime!
Love the shot! But, isn't he a little young for that look of bemusement? -- Walt On 10/4/2010 3:30 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: I know it's nothing unusual, and everyone thinks that their grandkid is the cutest thing ever. With that in mind, I still think this is a cute shot of my grandkid so I'm sharing it: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP5543.jpg -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Red-spotted Purple
Thanks, P.J. I see what you're getting at there. I guess it's just me, but I find the dusty coating on the rocks grating -- almost as unattractive as the mud itself in this context. I probably wouldn't mind it as much if it were a toad or snake. But, for some reason, when I look at the butterfly, and then see the rocks around it, my eyes say, "Get off those dirty rocks, butterfly! What's the matter with you?" And I thought about doing a tighter crop, but I'm trying to get into the habit of minimizing my cropping -- partially to reinforce the idea of filling the frame as much as possible, and partly for purposes of entering contests or uploading to stock photo sites where there may be a minimum resolution and/or a prohibition on re-sized images. But, I do take your point, and appreciate the input. I do agree that your crop does look better, so I'll give it a whirl in another rendition. Thanks again, Walt On 10/4/2010 5:11 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: You didn't really have to do a partial desaturated, the rocks were pretty monochrome to begin with. I think it would have benefited from a bit of lightning in the wings to try to bring out some detail, and a slightly different crop. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/temp/IMGP0122%28mycrop%29.jpg Now you have the original so you could do a much better job than I did. When I attempted to decrease contrast and lighten the butterflies wings all I managed to do is put a halo around it's antennae, but the crop took away most of the mud... On 10/4/2010 5:02 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Again, thanks for the kind words, Frank. And, yes ... partial desaturation is a kind of gimmicky thing. But, just for the sake of comparison, here's a link to the shot before the desaturation. It was overall a pretty homely background, not befitting of the poor butterfly who happened to land upon it: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/j6NWB_5UK2iFiEVZcyYPng?feat=directlink A creature that lovely shouldn't be photographed on muddy rocks ... unless she happens to be a fashion model. ;-) -- Walt On 10/4/2010 3:12 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, OK ... my last PESO for the weekend. This one is a shot from the day after I bought my K-x, taken on a trek to a nearby wildlife preserve. This butterfly followed me around all day -- I guess it was attracted to the color of my shirt, or my shampoo, or my sense of humor -- Idunno. But, I managed to get several shots of it, this one being the best: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5049770866/#/ K-x, DAL 50-200mm, f/9, ISO 400, 1/400, Program mode I desaturated everything except blue and cyan -- and kicked those up a few notches for dramatic effect. Comments, critiques, and free samples of non-perishable goods are heartily encouraged. I'm not much for partial desaturation. I find it gimmicky and it detracts from a photo. But that's just me. Still, I attempt to put my prejudices aside, and I have to say it's a very good photo! Having had a hand at attempting to photograph butterflies recently, I know they're not an easy catch. cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Life Savers
Thanks, Dave. It certainly does. :-) On 10/4/2010 4:18 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Thats great. It pays to look up once in a while.;-) Dave On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, Here's a shot I took back in mid-spring -- light streaming through stained glass windows onto the stone facade of a Methodist church in Paducah, KY. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5048501986/?v=1#/ K-x, Asahi Takumar (Taiwan) 135mm, f/2.8, ISO 200, 1/80 second, aperture priority Comments, critiques, recommendations, and insider trading tips welcome. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: A use for the K-x's video capabilities
True enough, but I figured it would be a while before I heard back from any of the Vanuatuan Pentaxians on the list. So far, it's been my experience that they tend to keep pretty much to themselves. As do the Fijian Pentaxians, lamentably enough. Thanks for the crash space offer, though. I'll be in touch the moment I secure the financing and silver suit. Best, Walt On 10/5/2010 3:01 AM, David Mann wrote: On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: I've finally found something worth firing up the K-x's HD video. I just need to find funding for the trip. Anybody care to float me a loan? Any New Zealand Pentaxians have a couch I can crash on for a day or two? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317168/Too-hot-handle-Daredevils-abseil-depths-live-volcano-boiling-hot-lava.html Yeah I have a couch you can use but the volcano is in Vanuatu so you may as well stay there... Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Life Savers
As it happens, I live less than five miles from a uranium enrichment plant. I can't believe it never occurred to me to enrich myself via uranium. I mean, it's been right there in front of my face the whole time! Glowing, even! On 10/5/2010 11:10 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/10/3 Ken Waller: Comments, critiques, recommendations, and insider trading tips welcome. Buy low, sell high - psst, its a secret so keep it under your hat buy Uranium related shares - prices are going through the ceiling almost as fast as DU charges... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Out of curiosity: A question for the pros
As I hasten to stipulate at every opportunity, I'm pretty new to photography, and I have what may seem to be a stupid question. So, please indulge me. That said, what do all of you real photographers do with images that may be flawed, but still have some redeeming qualities to them. For instance, a shot that's too poorly focused to rescue with sharpening tools and so forth, but does capture a sense of action that is somewhat appealing. Like this one, for example: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7X4Utq1sTP4AoZG2S3S0zQ?feat=directlink As you can see, it's a fairly severe crop, and has been sharpened already to the point where it exhibits a pretty prominent halo as a result. I do have a copy of the image, pre-halo, but not the original file -- which I seem to have deleted somehow. I don't see the image ever being finessed to the point where it's printable, but I hate to just discard it because of the sense of action. Do you all generally keep images like these, or just send them down the memory hole to rid yourself of torment and temptation to return it in futility? Any guidance and/or damnation with faint praise are, as always, greatly appreciated. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Out of curiosity: A question for the pros
I see what you mean. Now, how do I learn to be GOOD? :) -- Walt On 10/5/2010 1:07 PM, Bob W wrote: that's how you learn to be better. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Out of curiosity: A question for the pros
Thanks, John. That's just about as close to a verbatim description of my thinking as it gets. I have gone back over the past couple of days and found some shots that I wonder why I didn't do something with before. The reason, of course, is because I didn't have any idea how to make them look any better. I still don't know beans compared to you guys, but I'm slowly picking up ideas and techniques. Eventually, I hope to get to the point where I never take bad pictures, and they all sell for thousands. Then, I'm getting a 645D. Best, Walt On 10/5/2010 3:37 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Walter Gilbert As I hasten to stipulate at every opportunity, I'm pretty new to photography, and I have what may seem to be a stupid question. So, please indulge me. That said, what do all of you real photographers do with images that may be flawed, but still have some redeeming qualities to them. For instance, a shot that's too poorly focused to rescue with sharpening tools and so forth, but does capture a sense of action that is somewhat appealing. Like this one, for example: I'm not yet a pro, but that's what I'm going to school for, so I'll stick my $0.02 in ... If it's an image I'll never get the opportunity to do a better job on, I keep it. I *might* find something in it that I can use, if nothing more than inspiration to do better work in the future. But good image or not, it's the history of where I was. If it's an image I might get to do again and do a better job, I keep it until I *can* do a better job. Once I've got a better image, I delete the inferior image. Learn what you can to improve your image and once you do improve, delete the dud and keep the better one. I probably should go ahead and delete it right away, but I find it's easier to allow some time to pass before evaluating my images. It seems like as I go back to them later, it's easier to see the real duds and it doesn't cause as much pain to delete them. And sometimes, rarely, I find something of worth I didn't originally see in the image. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Out of curiosity: A question for the pros
Thanks for the input, Jeffery. I've been curious about the PAW project, having seen references to it in subject lines on the list in the past. I just assumed it was an individual effort. Maybe a kind soul will explain it to me sometime. Now, I've at least put together the fact that PAW stands for Picture-a-Week -- or something similar. As for trying to capture birds ... the funny thing is, that was my main focus when I got my K-x. It never occurred to me not to try it, inasmuch as I'd seen photos of birds in flight, so I just took it for granted that it was possible to do, and set about doing it. I get a passable shot only about ten percent of the time, but it's sort of like the old saw about taking a rather forward approach with women: Nine out of ten times, you get slapped. But, that tenth time... Thanks again! Walt On 10/5/2010 1:53 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: I would post it and say "how do y'all like the bokeh in this shot?" Dealing with focus and shutter lag when trying to photograph a flying bird (not to mention my poor reflexes) have convinced me never to even try them with my current equipment. So, you'll never hear me criticizing another one's efforts to do something I'm not even willing to try. :-) But all of us have to edit our collection to what is most presentable. Digital has increased the number of acceptable shots, and has also increased the number of turkeys (I'n not talking about a flying bird here). When I look at HCB's collection of work, I am struck by how many photos he didn't publish (the guy exposed a lot of film!). The PAW project was good for several things: (1) it got people and and shooting more regularly, (2) it forced us to edit a week's work down to a single photo, and (3) it allowed us to post some photos that weren't that good without feeling ashamed (it's the best one we got for that week). Jeffery On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: As I hasten to stipulate at every opportunity, I'm pretty new to photography, and I have what may seem to be a stupid question. So, please indulge me. That said, what do all of you real photographers do with images that may be flawed, but still have some redeeming qualities to them. For instance, a shot that's too poorly focused to rescue with sharpening tools and so forth, but does capture a sense of action that is somewhat appealing. Like this one, for example: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7X4Utq1sTP4AoZG2S3S0zQ?feat=directlink As you can see, it's a fairly severe crop, and has been sharpened already to the point where it exhibits a pretty prominent halo as a result. I do have a copy of the image, pre-halo, but not the original file -- which I seem to have deleted somehow. I don't see the image ever being finessed to the point where it's printable, but I hate to just discard it because of the sense of action. Do you all generally keep images like these, or just send them down the memory hole to rid yourself of torment and temptation to return it in futility? Any guidance and/or damnation with faint praise are, as always, greatly appreciated. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Out of curiosity: A question for the pros
Thanks, P. J. Good point about storage. I guess I still think of hard drive space as coming at a rather high premium -- and also, there's the fact that I'm not the most well-organized person in the world. I tend to scatter copies of images in various forms hither and yon, throughout my drive. Though, I have gotten considerably better about it, now that I'm doing more editing. As for the Photoshop making it easy to combine elements into an interesting image ... all I can say to that is that "easy" is a very relative term. :-) As for selling photos to the AP ... if I were going to try and pull of something like that, I'd go to Reuters. ;-) Best, Walt On 10/5/2010 2:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Apply some blur, some motion striping and call it art... Hell, I seldom throw anything out, (unless it's just silly, like 100 pictures of a doorknob), storage is cheap, and you never know when a great idea for combined images will strike you. Somewhere on film I have a very nice photograph of an egret, with a dead white sky. I also have a number of establishing shots on that same roll of film that had nice blue sky fluffy clouds and interesting Jungle type foliage, Photoshop makes it easy to combine those elements to get an interesting image, where before there were several boring and flawed images. Just don't sell the result to the AP. On 10/5/2010 1:37 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: As I hasten to stipulate at every opportunity, I'm pretty new to photography, and I have what may seem to be a stupid question. So, please indulge me. That said, what do all of you real photographers do with images that may be flawed, but still have some redeeming qualities to them. For instance, a shot that's too poorly focused to rescue with sharpening tools and so forth, but does capture a sense of action that is somewhat appealing. Like this one, for example: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7X4Utq1sTP4AoZG2S3S0zQ?feat=directlink As you can see, it's a fairly severe crop, and has been sharpened already to the point where it exhibits a pretty prominent halo as a result. I do have a copy of the image, pre-halo, but not the original file -- which I seem to have deleted somehow. I don't see the image ever being finessed to the point where it's printable, but I hate to just discard it because of the sense of action. Do you all generally keep images like these, or just send them down the memory hole to rid yourself of torment and temptation to return it in futility? Any guidance and/or damnation with faint praise are, as always, greatly appreciated. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Out of curiosity: A question for the pros
I'm not too proud to say that's the greatest thing I've seen in a long time. And here I sat thinking that the whole "cormorant" thing was just some simple, quirky idiosyncrasy of the PDML list. Little did I know! Thanks for the info and the guffaw (a word which, if I'm not mistaken, is derived from the mating call of the cormorant). -- Walt On 10/5/2010 4:53 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Walter Gilbert wrote: what do all of you real photographers do with images that may be flawed, but still have some redeeming qualities to them. For instance, a shot that's too poorly focused to rescue with sharpening tools and so forth, but does capture a sense of action that is somewhat appealing. Like this one, for example: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7X4Utq1sTP4AoZG2S3S0zQ?feat=directlink That's a great question. There are many answers and it largely depends on to what end you put your photography. The image you used as an example could be an excellent illustration in some applications. (With some Photoshop tweaking it might be work even better as a "photo illustration", as they're sometimes termed.) Out-of-focus shots can sometimes serve as backgrounds in multimedia applications or print layouts. Sometimes a composition that doesn't work as a standalone shot serves as an excellent container or background to a montage. In one instance that has gone down in PDML history, someone posted a shot of a Cormorant in a tree and expressed disappointment that he couldn't quite make the composition work as well as he would have liked. Then Cotty pointed out that the empty areas of the frame were situated in a way that made it ideal for a magazine cover. The mock-up he whipped together to make his point left reverberations that are being felt to this day: http://www.robertstech.com/graphics/pages/1cormorant.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Out of curiosity: A question for the pros
Wow! This thread really took off while I wasn't looking. In any event, it has been an extremely informative one. I wish I had time to reply to each person who responded, but I do thank you all for the many thoughtful answers. This has been a very educational thread for me -- lots of food for thought. I do have to say I've made one good decision since I started pursuing digital photography, and that was installing Picasa. I've seen where some have lamented its tendency to keep archives of original images, thus chewing up storage space on your hard drive. But, having spent the past few days going through those original images, I can't help but thank my lucky stars for that, given what I did to some of those images back when I had even less a clue than I do right now when it comes to editing and processing. I've really had a lot of fun with some of the images I didn't even bother with when I first started out because I found them overwhelming after a few hamfisted attempts. So, at least in a few instances, it's proven to be a bit of a boon to have the decision whether to keep a shot or delete it taken out of my hands. And, I suspect as I learn more about processing and editing as I go along, I'll develop a more discerning eye for what's treasure and what's trash. Thanks again, everyone. This has practically been a workshop. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pesos - a discovery
Fun! I love the red coat and white sweater & boots. Just flat-out lovely seasonal shots. -- Walt On 10/6/2010 11:27 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272&size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274 K-7, DA* 60-250 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Birth of a Birder
After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
Thanks, Steven. I was very fortunate to get that shot. At the time, I was essentially toying with the camera to see what it would do ... hence the 1/6000 shutter speed. I did have to crop out some power lines, but fortunately, everything lined up fairly cleanly for cropping with a straightforward aspect ratio. It was really pure dumb luck, and that's why it's a sentimental favorite. It started me down the path of 90% frustration that is in-flight shots of small birds. For me, it's pretty exhilarating when it works. Thanks again, Walt On 10/6/2010 1:30 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I like it a lot. the composition is pretty nice given your lack of control over it. And that's a beautiful silhouette with some shading around the wings. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interview with Ned Bunnell
They'd probably sell a ton of them if they made licensed Real Tree camo ones. On 10/6/2010 2:23 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: ROTFL. I thought you were talking about the sensor and images, not the color of the camera. At least we got the olive body. That's a fairly popular choice in the camo-happy US. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: He is so-o-o conservative in his views. E.g. regarding colors: Com'on, bring REAL COLORS, not the dull blue (it didn't go well because it is so dull, not because it is blue), but BRIGHT, CLEAR colors: e.g. bright spring green would go well! Japanese colors are so much more cool. A few years ago Mac got a large advantage while offering it's colored computers in contrast to the grey-beige essentially colorless PCs. ... and the journalisti (?) needs to learn how to a) conduct interviews (as opposed to reading questions from the paper and collecting the answers, acknowledging "ye, ye, that's interesting"), and b) to speak properly when not reading the questions verbatim (eh-eh-eh-eh, , be - e.g. around 4:30). Igor in a rather critical mood Wed Oct 6 11:59:19 CDT 2010 Christine Nielsen wrote: Not much new ground being broken here, but still interesting to hear from the man himself. Recorded at Photokina... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-LVheDaTE&feature=player_embedded#! -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington
Great set of shots! I particularly like this one: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11754661 Something you don't see every day ... rodents scurrying about Capitol Hill. Wait ... what? But seriously, folks -- I really liked the shot of the Washington Monument with the cirrus clouds in the sky. I've always loved the way cirrus clouds look in photos. -- Walt On 10/6/2010 3:16 PM, Tom C wrote: I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall. Taken with the Sony NEX5. http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
Thanks, P.J. I noticed the halo almost immediately after I'd sent the link. (Funny how that seems to happen just about every time I post a link to the list.) There's something magical about the process of sending links to my photos that reveals heretofore unseen flaws to me. The worst part is that, at least in my hands, any attempt to fix the flaw that suddenly reveals itself is damn near guaranteed to ruin the entire image. So, this sort of hearkens back to the question about what to keep and what to trash: this being a shot that I stick back in the pile for a little while longer, until I've learned enough to fix it without destroying the whole thing. So, for now, it's a keeper, but not yet a showpiece. -- Walt On 10/6/2010 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: There's still a bit of halo around the bird, and focus seems to be on the far wing. Still in all it's a very nice attempt. On 10/6/2010 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
Thank you, Paul, for the kind words! I do like the shot as a whole. The overall impression is nice, and it's nice to know that someone with a discerning eye appreciates the light and composition. It's certainly reaffirming, and makes me believe I'm at least on the right path with this one. As I see it, the halo is fixable ... and it will be fixed in the long run. I can't do much about the focus now, and I'm OK with that. But, given your input, I know the image is worthy of the effort to fix the halo. And in all honesty, whenever I post a PESO, 90% of the time it's to find out what can be done to improve a shot that I'm already somewhat proud of. Given your input, and P.J.'s critique, I now know that the shot is well worth the effort it's going to take to plug the technical holes. All in all, a guy has to feel pretty good about that. There's something to be said for having taken a nice picture with a few fixable flaws. Thanks again! -- Walt On 10/6/2010 7:12 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Very nice. Excellent composition and dramatic light. Technical quibbles are inconsequential when the overall impression is this good. Paul On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: There's still a bit of halo around the bird, and focus seems to be on the far wing. Still in all it's a very nice attempt. On 10/6/2010 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: did it again, here is the url.
Some beautiful shots there, Ted! I especially like the first shot of the three elk in the field. The two off to the left look like they might be getting a few things squared away between them. Must have been fun to watch! -- Walt On 10/6/2010 8:11 PM, Theodore Beilby wrote: http://beilbyfinearts.blogspot.com/2010/10/boxley-valley-and-steel-creek.html I am so embarrassed. Ted -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
I can see why you'd be pleased with that! I can't imagine even trying to focus on a bird's eye zoomed out that far. I have a 2x teleconverter that I bought specifically for shooting birds, but haven't yet gotten used to using that much reach. After shooting for months with the 50-200 kit lens at a fairly short distance, I found myself WAY overcompensating when I tried to pan. I still haven't tried birding with my 70-300, which I got fairly late in the summer, but I hope to give it a good workout this fall and winter. The birds just seemed to quit coming around the feeders around mid-July this year. 'Course, it was so hot and dry, I don't think they wanted to be out there any more than I did. Had a really brutal summer this year -- about six solid weeks of 95-105 temps, and no rain to speak of from mid-July to late August. I hardly took a shot in that time. :-\ On 10/7/2010 12:04 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I have a photo of a Gull on the wing somewhere, taken on film. Pentax LX w f1.7x converter, and F 70-210 f4~5.6 racked out to 357mm, wide open (which is roughly f11). So a long slowish lens shooting a moving bird in the air, I was pretty pleased with it. The image was fairly sharp, but it was obvious that I'd nailed focus on the birds trailing talons, while it's eye was just a bit fuzzy. I seem to have lost the scan and the image is no longer on the web, otherwise I'd post a link... On 10/7/2010 12:04 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Thanks, P.J. I noticed the halo almost immediately after I'd sent the link. (Funny how that seems to happen just about every time I post a link to the list.) There's something magical about the process of sending links to my photos that reveals heretofore unseen flaws to me. The worst part is that, at least in my hands, any attempt to fix the flaw that suddenly reveals itself is damn near guaranteed to ruin the entire image. So, this sort of hearkens back to the question about what to keep and what to trash: this being a shot that I stick back in the pile for a little while longer, until I've learned enough to fix it without destroying the whole thing. So, for now, it's a keeper, but not yet a showpiece. -- Walt On 10/6/2010 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: There's still a bit of halo around the bird, and focus seems to be on the far wing. Still in all it's a very nice attempt. On 10/6/2010 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interview with Ned Bunnell
At least no shoes were thrown. -- Walt On 10/7/2010 12:53 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Igor, the guy is Israeli, it is typical interviewing behavior here. So, welcome to Middle East, my friend ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
Say, that reminds me; someone needs to update the style manuals to include a chapter on the placement of emoticons in relation to punctuation marks. On 10/7/2010 10:20 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 10/7/2010 5:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Everybody's an editor Right, just like everybody's suggesting their own crop :-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
A brain-picking request
Hi all, I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election. Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes. Given the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc. Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer would be greatly appreciated. As a matter of background, I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much. So, I have a bit of a dilemma. Should I approach this as an ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the "reality" of the campaign trail in a consequential election? Or, given the very early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can? As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Resolution Anecdote
I prefer drinking. It works on live subjects as well as digital renderings, and doesn't change with proximity. On 10/7/2010 12:08 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 07:55:56AM +0100, Bob W wrote: [...] But the point of all this is that it's amazing how much sharper some photos look at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4" as compared to the same image at 1920 x 1200 on 24". you can achieve the same resolution by taking a couple of steps backward... Why stop there? It's amazing how much better some images look when viewed from a couple of rooms away. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A brain-picking request
Thanks, Jeffery. I shouldn't have too much trouble blending in, as I don't plan on packing a giant piece of glass with me. Most likely, I'll take my 70-300 f/4-5.6, my 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 and my 2X TC as a "just in case" for anything else that might be going on that I don't have the reach for. -- Walt On 10/7/2010 11:38 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: My opinion is to make sure photos don't look like they were posed (as you see on the society page), and to be unobtrusive when possible. Blend in without drawing attention to yourself when possible. Jeffery On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election. Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes. Given the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc. Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer would be greatly appreciated. As a matter of background, I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much. So, I have a bit of a dilemma. Should I approach this as an ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the "reality" of the campaign trail in a consequential election? Or, given the very early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can? As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A brain-picking request
True enough, David. I can see the benefit to having both types, really. And I suppose it's possible to get whatever you're looking for if you're lucky. But, given my lack of experience, I hate to shoot myself out of a future opportunity by producing the wrong material. I mean, when it all shakes out, the guy I'm taking pictures of is most likely going to be a US senator. My thinking at this point is that my main focus ought to be creating more opportunities to take more shots at events of this sort, thus building a more substantial portfolio. That'll require doing what I can to ingratiate myself to the people who gave me the press pass. And they're obviously going to want candidate-friendly shots. They're also going to want copies of the shots when I'm finished. Where I'm conflicted, though, is the idea of establishing myself as a fluff peddler and creating expectations along those lines for the future when similar opportunities arise. Thanks for the input. I'm going to have to do a lot more noodling on this for the next six days. -- Walt On 10/7/2010 3:28 PM, David Parsons wrote: "So, I have a bit of a dilemma. Should I approach this as an ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the "reality" of the campaign trail in a consequential election? Or, given the very early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can?" It will depend on what your viewpoint is. What would you want to have in your portfolio? On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election. Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes. Given the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc. Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer would be greatly appreciated. As a matter of background, I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much. So, I have a bit of a dilemma. Should I approach this as an ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the "reality" of the campaign trail in a consequential election? Or, given the very early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can? As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A brain-picking request
Thanks, P.J. I do plan on getting shots of the candidate interacting with the crowd. It won't be a debate, but there will be other pols there. Just about every jack-leg politician running in this cycle will be somewhere in the vicinity, I'm sure. I'd like to capture more impromptu shots of their interactions, if possible. I don't particularly enjoy looking at fundraiser-type photo ops with someone shaking the hand of a politician while staring straight at the camera, so I can't imagine I'd enjoy taking those kinds of shots. As things stand, my plan is to do quite a bit of moving around rather than staying tangled up with the gaggle of other photographers there. I never quite understood why photographers do that, by the way, unless they're kept contained to a certain area. It always struck me as the equivalent of taking school pictures with a telephoto lens. I don't quite see the point. Hopefully, I won't have those kinds of constraints. I'll just have to wait and see, and do the best with what I've got, I guess. -- Walt On 10/7/2010 3:46 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's important to know what you're trying to accomplish. Do you want to show candidates interacting with whatever crowd might be there, and tell an actual story of the campaign or cover a debate? Each of those requires a different approach. If you're trying to tell the whole story, then crowd shots might be important, so finding a spot to camp out isn't the best strategy, if you just want to show the candidates then you find a perch with an unobstructed view, and choose the proper focal length to get the image you want, and shoot away. If you're going to cover a debate, you'll need to find a place where you can catch both candidates, (or more if there are more), in the same frame. On 10/7/2010 12:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election. Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes. Given the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc. Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer would be greatly appreciated. As a matter of background, I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much. So, I have a bit of a dilemma. Should I approach this as an ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the "reality" of the campaign trail in a consequential election? Or, given the very early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can? As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A brain-picking request
If they give me too much grief, I'll just look at their gear and ask them, "So ... what's with the flash? I've never had to use one of those with my K-x. What's it like?" -- Walt On 10/7/2010 4:38 PM, David J Brooks wrote: One suggestion is not to get all bent out of shape when the Nikon and Canon shooters giggle at your Pentax. They will, i've been there. However i can still get photos from my Pentax gear published so i just smile at them.;-) Dave On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Thanks, Jeffery. I shouldn't have too much trouble blending in, as I don't plan on packing a giant piece of glass with me. Most likely, I'll take my 70-300 f/4-5.6, my 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 and my 2X TC as a "just in case" for anything else that might be going on that I don't have the reach for. -- Walt On 10/7/2010 11:38 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: My opinion is to make sure photos don't look like they were posed (as you see on the society page), and to be unobtrusive when possible. Blend in without drawing attention to yourself when possible. Jeffery On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election. Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes. Given the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc. Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer would be greatly appreciated. As a matter of background, I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much. So, I have a bit of a dilemma. Should I approach this as an ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the "reality" of the campaign trail in a consequential election? Or, given the very early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can? As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A brain-picking request
Thanks for the advice, Paul! I doubt there'll be quite that many photographers at this event. It's a relatively small town that just happens to be the hub of commerce and population center for this part of the state -- and is pretty crucial to getting elected here. I don't expect I'll get too frustrated. I'll spend a lot of time observing what the other photogs do, if not emulating them. I'm planning on taking an 18-55 and a 70-300 with a 2X TC, and figure I ought to be able to cover quite a bit of ground with all that. I do intend to get as many fun shots as I can -- unusual perspectives and candid moments if at all possible. I don't want to come out of the event with a SD card full of the same-ol'-same-ol'. I'll be shooting RAW, of course, and will burn those to DVD as soon as I get in for the evening. Then, I'll import the whole shebang and commence with the cropping and color adjustments. I figure, after a few days, I ought to be able to put together a nice collection to hand over to the event's organizers so they'll keep me in mind for future events. Thanks again for your perspective. I'm starting to get a handle on how I think I'll approach things, now. -- Walt On 10/7/2010 4:49 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: Having just returned from a press conference with the governor, senator and president of GM, I'm moved to tell you that you'll probably be one in a pool of fifty or more photographers if the event your shooting is significant. Most will have two cameras, one with a lens in the neighborhood of 80-200, the other with a 24-70 -- in full frame numbers. For me that would translate to the 60-250 or 50-135 and the 16-50. Most photogs will have a flash mounted on the camera with the shorter lens. The vast majority of them will gather in one spot and shoot with their long lens camera during the speeches, because there will probably not be many good vantage points from which to shoot the. At the end of the press conference, when the reporters are trying to get one on one interviews with the politicians, the photographers will all gather around with their short lenses and flashes. Many will shoot with live view from over their heads. Do what everyone else does, then try a few different things. A fun pic can sometimes be had by getting behind the pol during the interview sessions and shooting the back of his head and all the cameras aimed at him. However, you have to try to squeeze a frame in between the flashes going off. If you can get a high vantage point, shoot the pol in the middle of the cluster from a distance with your longer lens. Be prepared to be somewhat frustrated. Paul On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election. Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes. Given the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc. Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer would be greatly appreciated. As a matter of background, I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much. So, I have a bit of a dilemma. Should I approach this as an ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the "reality" of the campaign trail in a consequential election? Or, given the very early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can? As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A brain-picking request
Thanks for that heads-up, Paul! I'll be sure to inquire about the turnaround time. Looks like I'll end up pulling some fairly late nights in the not-too-distant future. Fortunately, I love the work. -- Walt If they're anything like the event organizers I've worked for, they'll want them in a few hours, because they'll be hoping to pass them along to newspapers. GM had photos of their Lake Orion press conference available online an hour after it ended. Small town aside, two or three days is not a good turnaround time. Shoot jpegs and turn them over as soon as possible. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A brain-picking request
Of the almost 5000 shutter actuations I've put on my K-x since I got it, I'd venture to guess that less than 100 have fired the flash. Admittedly, some of that has to do with battery life paranoia -- the same reason I've used the live view on it less than a total of 30 seconds. I just don't find it helpful enough to warrant the power usage. And I love the way the K-x uses available light. Focusing problems and occasional lens-build issues be damned. It'll be tough for Nikon or Canon to lure me away when Pentax has such great low light performance for so much less dough. Let 'em chuckle. In the meantime, I'll be taking pictures of them fumbling to replace batteries in the dark. On 10/7/2010 6:45 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: That's a very good point. I (personally) think that flashes turn just about everything into a snapshot. So while all of others are blasting away with flashes, I'm more likely to be shooting at f/2 without a flash. I only own two flashes (a Pentax ringflash, and a Leica flash for a Leica rangefinder) and don't use either. Jeffery On Oct 7, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: If they give me too much grief, I'll just look at their gear and ask them, "So ... what's with the flash? I've never had to use one of those with my K-x. What's it like?" -- Walt On 10/7/2010 4:38 PM, David J Brooks wrote: One suggestion is not to get all bent out of shape when the Nikon and Canon shooters giggle at your Pentax. They will, i've been there. However i can still get photos from my Pentax gear published so i just smile at them.;-) Dave On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Thanks, Jeffery. I shouldn't have too much trouble blending in, as I don't plan on packing a giant piece of glass with me. Most likely, I'll take my 70-300 f/4-5.6, my 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 and my 2X TC as a "just in case" for anything else that might be going on that I don't have the reach for. -- Walt On 10/7/2010 11:38 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: My opinion is to make sure photos don't look like they were posed (as you see on the society page), and to be unobtrusive when possible. Blend in without drawing attention to yourself when possible. Jeffery On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, I've just received my first press pass -- as a freelance photographer for a couple of upcoming campaign events in a US Senate election. Having never done this sort of shooting before, I assume I'll get a pretty decent vantage point for the stump speeches and maybe some access behind the scenes. Given the collective years of experience on the list, I thought I'd ask if anyone has any tips on the best way to capture dramatic, compelling images at events of this nature -- what to look for, technical and compositional advice, etc. Also, any advice on the best mental approach to take in shooting events of this nature in terms of establishing oneself as a credible photographer would be greatly appreciated. As a matter of background, I was granted this press pass by a person who had seen my work on Facebook and Flickr and really enjoyed it -- or at least she told me as much. So, I have a bit of a dilemma. Should I approach this as an ostensibly hard-nosed photojournalist trying to capture the "reality" of the campaign trail in a consequential election? Or, given the very early stage of my development as a photographer, should I approach it as a potential connection for future job opportunities by taking shots geared toward making the subject look as good as I can? As a matter of pure, career-minded practicality with an eye toward getting the proverbial foot in the door to future work as a photographer, I'd appreciate any guidance anyone can offer me. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A brain-picking request
Thanks for the tip, Cotty! I'll definitely keep that in mind as I sharpen and hone my elbows for the next few days. -- Walt On 10/8/2010 6:06 PM, Cotty wrote: Forget the shots that all the other photogs will be getting - stick with the TV reporters and wait til they get their chance to do one-to-ones - pre-position carefully and not to close to any microphones. shoot through the gap between camera and reporter to get some interesting head shots, especially just before and just after the interview. Don't use flash here or the cameraman will turn to suggest your parental ancestry. Remember, pre-positioning is crucial - don't follow the crowd, wait for the crowd to come to you. Find out which TV crew is 2nd or 3rd in the pecking order - and there is *always* a pecking order. Then watch as they come surging towards you - be prepared to be elbowed violently. You'll get some good candids here. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A brain-picking request
Campaign photography can be artful at times. What I'm after is getting the "requisite" shots -- standard grip-and-grin stuff, but being on the lookout for compelling images. Granted, the sheer scale of presidential campaigns dwarfs US Senate campaigns, but I don't see why there can't be memorable photos produced from the events if someone is willing to look out for them rather than focus solely on "mailing it in". I can't help thinking a lot of the photographers who cover these events are so bored by the entire routine that they approach it the way a sweatshop worker approaches a sewing machine, or a crack whore approaches a street corner. What I had in mind was looking for shots along these lines (albeit on a relative scale): http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/politics/20040719_px_JOURNAL_FEATURE/index.html -- Walt On 10/8/2010 10:59 PM, David Parsons wrote: It's reportage, not fine art. Having the principles in the shot, and lit well enough to print is all that is needed. The newsworthiness is what matters. On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I don't know if I've ever seen a "good" press conference shot. Perhaps any shot that shows the principals and doesn't hoover completely is a "good" shot. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Disruption
I like the B&W version better, too. It seems to do more with the light and shadows. -- Walt On 10/9/2010 2:48 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Work and lots of choral music-making have kept me from posting a PESO in several weeks. I still don't have time, but what the hell. I took my camera along when I was out doing an errand this morning. I'm inclined toward the B&W version, but not strongly. Color: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11770116 B&W: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11770115 (K7 and DA 16-45) Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Novice again
Hey! No line-cutting! -- Walt On 10/9/2010 2:59 PM, Eric Weir wrote: I am the most amateur of the amateurs here -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A brain-picking request
My understanding is that this isn't a prearranged press conference sort of thing. It's actually a couple of campaign events -- rallies, where the organizers have given me assurances that I'll have largely unfettered range to take shots. In fact, if the follow-up press conference appears too clustered and mundane, I may forgo the jostling and elbow-throwing completely -- or back off and look for some interesting angles of the interaction between the candidate and the press. At least that's the plan up to this point. Of course, there's the old saw that no battle plan ever survives first contact with the enemy -- at which point, I'll adapt and improvise. -- Walt On 10/9/2010 3:03 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Nice pics, but they're not from arranged press conferences. They were taken by someone following the candidate day in and day out. That makes all the difference in the world. But do the best you can. I'm sure you'll get some good results. At the very least, you'll get an education.t. Paul On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Campaign photography can be artful at times. What I'm after is getting the "requisite" shots -- standard grip-and-grin stuff, but being on the lookout for compelling images. Granted, the sheer scale of presidential campaigns dwarfs US Senate campaigns, but I don't see why there can't be memorable photos produced from the events if someone is willing to look out for them rather than focus solely on "mailing it in". I can't help thinking a lot of the photographers who cover these events are so bored by the entire routine that they approach it the way a sweatshop worker approaches a sewing machine, or a crack whore approaches a street corner. What I had in mind was looking for shots along these lines (albeit on a relative scale): http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/politics/20040719_px_JOURNAL_FEATURE/index.html -- Walt On 10/8/2010 10:59 PM, David Parsons wrote: It's reportage, not fine art. Having the principles in the shot, and lit well enough to print is all that is needed. The newsworthiness is what matters. On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I don't know if I've ever seen a "good" press conference shot. Perhaps any shot that shows the principals and doesn't hoover completely is a "good" shot. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Getting them while they're young
To quote C. Montgomery Burns, "Excellent ..." I've been working on converting a backslid Canonite who has fallen away from photography in recent years. He's pretty resistant, though. -- Walt On 10/9/2010 2:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: One of my friends from dancing asked me about cameras a while back. It turns out that on my advice he just bought two K-xen for the high school photography class he teaches. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - just peso
I really like the way the sky looks and wish there'd been more of it in this shot. I think I see what you were going after with the tonalities, but more sky, and consequently less of the area where the metal tubing is, would have made it more visually effective, I think. Still, I do like the basic elements of the shot. Hope that helps. -- Walt On 10/10/2010 12:48 PM, Sasha Sobol wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/5066292835/lightbox Would love to hear your comments and critique --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Urge
Reminds me of a joke: Q: How many gender feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: THAT'S NOT FUNNY!!! On 10/10/2010 5:48 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Well, the list also has a pretty severe gender bias. Christine, Tan, Ann, and who else? In a more balanced group some woman would have quickly complained about hubby and then the word "spouse" would have appeared instead of "wife". On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 6:43 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I don't think that fiscal responsibility is a trait that is exclusive to one gender or the other. On the other hand, I don'tI think that a bit of good natured banter about the wife who controls the purse strings is sexism. Men and women do have some innate differences in temperament and priorities. At one time, those differences were at least taken for granted if not applauded. Nowadays, society works far too hard to establish institutional sameness. Sameness is boring; differentiation is a good thing. Paul Paul On Oct 10, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Thanks, Christine, for puncturing some of the latent sexism in this thread. In our household, I am the stingier of us, and it often takes a nudge from my wife to overcome my deeply ingrained resistance to spending money. Cheers, Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Sun, 10/10/10, Christine Nielsen wrote: This may surprise you fellas, but we wives get "the urge", too, you know... (Sorry- still talking about cameras. What were you thinking?) ;) -c Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Yes, it's a dilemma. Especially when you have a joint bank account and a vigilant wife. :( Jack --- On Sun, 10/10/10, Boris Liberman wrote: From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: The Urge To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 6:29 AM On 10/10/2010 2:36 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Simply holding the latest model's advanced technology in your very own hands is a fix many of us "need." Having 500 hp under the hood doesn't mean you'll use it..but the "power" of its presence can be intoxicating. Jack Mind over matter or matter over mind? ;-) Or even like this: To mind or not to mind? That is the matter :-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Urge
Ha! That's a pretty good re-creation of PDML as I've experienced it thus far. LOL -- Walt On 10/10/2010 10:24 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Reminds me of a joke: Q: How many gender feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: THAT'S NOT FUNNY!!! LOL! I can't resist...how about this one? Q. How many PDMLers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A. One to post an OT request for information on how to screw in a lightbulb, six to reply with their opinions on which bulb to use, in which fixtures (alien bees? profoto? elinchrom? photogenics?), and using what modifiers. Then, twelve others are required to chime in with puns and tangentially-related comments. At which point, one more is needed to call out "Mark!" Eventually, the spouse of a PDMLer must sign off on the purchase of the light bulb. Whereupon the spouse will have to screw it in him/herself because the PDMLers are too busy on teh interwebs... ;) -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO Blues
Very nice! I love the density of the blue. Looks almost oil paint on a palette. -- Walt On 10/11/2010 9:26 AM, Toine wrote: http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/149-blues Thanks in advance for watching. Toine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Fall colors on the river
Wow! Beautiful colors ... and the glassiness of the river! What river is that, and is it usually that calm? I live near the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi and, and can't remember ever seeing that large a body of water so still. Very nice. -- Walt On 10/11/2010 10:39 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: Nothing more, nothing less. Just pretty colors. Taken while biking in to work. http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/IMGP6064.jpg -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Women's Wear?
I like that a lot, but I would make it a point to return at night. It looks like a prime candidate for a nightshot with a "fairly" long exposure ... to me, anyway. -- Walt On 10/11/2010 10:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11775590 Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse all Welcome. Dan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Thanksgiving Sunrise Over Lake Ontario
Enjoyed very much! -- Walt On 10/11/2010 5:09 PM, frank theriault wrote: Here are the last four that I'll show that were taken this morning. All taken during the same sunrise from the same vantage point: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/thanksgiving-sunrise-over-lake-ontario.html Hope you enjoy. cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentas M 135/3.5 vs. Takumar 135/2.5
Hi Eric, I consider the Takumar an unfairly maligned lens. I took the following three shots with the 135mm/2.5 bayonet the first few times I ever used it, and wouldn't hesitate to pay $40 for it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/4895210419/in/set-72157624608728365/#/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/4894906307/in/set-72157624608728365/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/4895746210/in/set-72157624608728365/ One thing I will say is that it is susceptible to lens flare, so the hood should be used on every outdoor shot. And, it can be soft at wider aperture settings, and slow to focus in low light. Other than that, I love shooting with it now that I know its boundaries. I'm getting much sharper shots nowadays than I did in the above images -- FWIW. Best, Walt On 10/12/2010 11:40 AM, Eric Weir wrote: Following a treat of breakfast at a wonderful little Ethiopian restaurant here, I stopped by Wings Camera, which sells mostly used stuff, a couple doors down. Went to the Pentax shelf to see what they had. First lens I picked up was a Takumar 135/2.5. Over the weekend a couple folks suggested the Pentax M 135/3.5 as a great, inexpensive option to consider for my trip to Northern Arizona. They'll take $40 for the Takumar, but the Pentax is available from KEH, also right here in Atlanta, for $45 to $65. I'm wondering if anyone here's familiar with the Takumar and might have a sense of how it compares to the Pentax. Thanks, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentas M 135/3.5 vs. Takumar 135/2.5
Thanks, Steve. I've thought about getting getting post cards of those shots printed out and selling them to hippies. ;-) This shot here would have to be my favorite example of the bokeh that lens can produce: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/4802635172/ (Yes, the title is quite lame, but it came down between that, and "Hey! Nice Pear!" -- Walt On 10/12/2010 12:26 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The second one is neat. That's some wild bokeh. The whole series is deeply psychedelic, man. ;-) On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi Eric, I consider the Takumar an unfairly maligned lens. I took the following three shots with the 135mm/2.5 bayonet the first few times I ever used it, and wouldn't hesitate to pay $40 for it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/4895210419/in/set-72157624608728365/#/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/4894906307/in/set-72157624608728365/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/4895746210/in/set-72157624608728365/ One thing I will say is that it is susceptible to lens flare, so the hood should be used on every outdoor shot. And, it can be soft at wider aperture settings, and slow to focus in low light. Other than that, I love shooting with it now that I know its boundaries. I'm getting much sharper shots nowadays than I did in the above images -- FWIW. Best, Walt On 10/12/2010 11:40 AM, Eric Weir wrote: Following a treat of breakfast at a wonderful little Ethiopian restaurant here, I stopped by Wings Camera, which sells mostly used stuff, a couple doors down. Went to the Pentax shelf to see what they had. First lens I picked up was a Takumar 135/2.5. Over the weekend a couple folks suggested the Pentax M 135/3.5 as a great, inexpensive option to consider for my trip to Northern Arizona. They'll take $40 for the Takumar, but the Pentax is available from KEH, also right here in Atlanta, for $45 to $65. I'm wondering if anyone here's familiar with the Takumar and might have a sense of how it compares to the Pentax. Thanks, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Soliciting suggestions: Model and Studio
Hi all, [Insert standard caveats regarding utter lack of experience, here.] I've managed to get a young former co-worker to agree to pose for me in order to get some experience taking photos of human subjects. She's actually eager to do so, which is nice. But, given the fact that I've not done this before, I figured I'd get some tips from folks who have more experience that I do -- which would be any at all. I've arranged to do the shoot at a friend of mine's studio, where he creates western/cowboy art, tomorrow. The studio is, of course, a setting where that sort of thing would fit in -- i.e., the floors are oak and there's yellow pine on the walls and ceilings. There's not a whole lot of artificial light -- mostly ambient, and some very dim light from chandeliers that he's created. And, obviously, I don't have anything in the way of studio lighting to take with me. I'm planning on doing the shoot in the afternoon, when there will be plenty of available light, but I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to get the best results for skin tones in an atmosphere that's going to be highly saturated in reds and yellows. (I'm obviously going to do some B&W work, too.) Anyway, here's a small gallery of some images from the studio: http://picasaweb.google.com/Ldotters/MacPhailSStudio?feat=directlink Any tips on how to get the most out of the shoot would be very much appreciated. I've already let the model know to be sure and bring several outfits and and makeup, and described the room (yellow pine, etc.) Anything else I should keep in mind (aside from the standard cautions regarding model releases)? Thanks! Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Soliciting suggestions: Model and Studio
Thanks, William. Those were fairly short exposures. In aperture priority with an auto-ISO of 1600, the shutter speed set at 1/50. Didn't even think about using the tripod, but that would obviously be a good idea. Thanks for mentioning it! -- Walt On 10/13/2010 12:31 PM, William Robb wrote: -- From: "Walter Gilbert" Subject: Soliciting suggestions: Model and Studio Hi all, [Insert standard caveats regarding utter lack of experience, here.] I've managed to get a young former co-worker to agree to pose for me in order to get some experience taking photos of human subjects. She's actually eager to do so, which is nice. But, given the fact that I've not done this before, I figured I'd get some tips from folks who have more experience that I do -- which would be any at all. I've arranged to do the shoot at a friend of mine's studio, where he creates western/cowboy art, tomorrow. The studio is, of course, a setting where that sort of thing would fit in -- i.e., the floors are oak and there's yellow pine on the walls and ceilings. There's not a whole lot of artificial light -- mostly ambient, and some very dim light from chandeliers that he's created. And, obviously, I don't have anything in the way of studio lighting to take with me. I'm planning on doing the shoot in the afternoon, when there will be plenty of available light, but I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to get the best results for skin tones in an atmosphere that's going to be highly saturated in reds and yellows. (I'm obviously going to do some B&W work, too.) Anyway, here's a small gallery of some images from the studio: http://picasaweb.google.com/Ldotters/MacPhailSStudio?feat=directlink Any tips on how to get the most out of the shoot would be very much appreciated. I've already let the model know to be sure and bring several outfits and and makeup, and described the room (yellow pine, etc.) Anything else I should keep in mind (aside from the standard cautions regarding model releases)? Model releases are over rated. I rarely use them. It looks like a nice location. Were it my shoot, I would use available light and a tripod (unless those were very long exposures in your gallery). William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Soliciting suggestions: Model and Studio
Thanks, P.J. That's a good point. I imagine I'll open up the aperture and bump the ISO down to 400 on the tripod shots, and do my damnedest to keep it at 800 or less on the hand-held ones. I'll be shooting in RAW to give myself some extra exposure leeway, too. One thing I am slightly concerned about is the girl's love of tanning. I'm not sure how that's going to look with all that yellow pine on the walls and ceilings. I'll probably end up converting quite a bit to black and white, and desaturating some of the yellow out of a lot of the color shots, as well. Whatever comes out of it, I'm looking forward to learning a lot. And, the girl likes being photographed quite a bit, so I shouldn't have too much trouble talking her into re-shooting some. Thanks again for the tip. -- Walt On 10/13/2010 12:52 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: ISO 1600 may be a bit high for portraiture. Unless you're going for a grainy and possibly blotchy look to skin tones. The *ist-Ds is pretty good for it's age, but I usually end up converting images shot under those conditions to B&W. On 10/13/2010 1:47 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Thanks, William. Those were fairly short exposures. In aperture priority with an auto-ISO of 1600, the shutter speed set at 1/50. Didn't even think about using the tripod, but that would obviously be a good idea. Thanks for mentioning it! -- Walt On 10/13/2010 12:31 PM, William Robb wrote: ------ From: "Walter Gilbert" Subject: Soliciting suggestions: Model and Studio Hi all, [Insert standard caveats regarding utter lack of experience, here.] I've managed to get a young former co-worker to agree to pose for me in order to get some experience taking photos of human subjects. She's actually eager to do so, which is nice. But, given the fact that I've not done this before, I figured I'd get some tips from folks who have more experience that I do -- which would be any at all. I've arranged to do the shoot at a friend of mine's studio, where he creates western/cowboy art, tomorrow. The studio is, of course, a setting where that sort of thing would fit in -- i.e., the floors are oak and there's yellow pine on the walls and ceilings. There's not a whole lot of artificial light -- mostly ambient, and some very dim light from chandeliers that he's created. And, obviously, I don't have anything in the way of studio lighting to take with me. I'm planning on doing the shoot in the afternoon, when there will be plenty of available light, but I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to get the best results for skin tones in an atmosphere that's going to be highly saturated in reds and yellows. (I'm obviously going to do some B&W work, too.) Anyway, here's a small gallery of some images from the studio: http://picasaweb.google.com/Ldotters/MacPhailSStudio?feat=directlink Any tips on how to get the most out of the shoot would be very much appreciated. I've already let the model know to be sure and bring several outfits and and makeup, and described the room (yellow pine, etc.) Anything else I should keep in mind (aside from the standard cautions regarding model releases)? Model releases are over rated. I rarely use them. It looks like a nice location. Were it my shoot, I would use available light and a tripod (unless those were very long exposures in your gallery). William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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She should be able to hold pretty still, provided she's not liquored up when she arrives. I don't have a whole lot of room to open up the aperture, unfortunately. The only somewhat fast lens I have at the moment is a 135mm prime -- and the room just isn't big enough to get much use out of it. But, I'm going to figure out a way to put it to work ... maybe on some outdoor shots, too. The guy has a zebra-striped Land Rover I'm going to try to work into the shoot. Thanks again for the guidance! -- Walt On 10/13/2010 12:59 PM, William Robb wrote: ---------- From: "Walter Gilbert" Subject: Re: Soliciting suggestions: Model and Studio Thanks, William. Those were fairly short exposures. In aperture priority with an auto-ISO of 1600, the shutter speed set at 1/50. Didn't even think about using the tripod, but that would obviously be a good idea. Thanks for mentioning it! That would put you in the 1/15 to 1/8 second at ISO 400. Providing the model can hold still for that long (which means fairly uncomplicated posing), this is doable. If you can open up a stop or so you will probably find you like your results more. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Christine! I've taken some black and white shots there that did come out pretty nicely -- though, I hadn't given much thought to the shots before I took them. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LESD6x_6JR5Qb-5ZOJgN5Q?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/R5n8jrwualFg4u6_daBcMQ?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KuNetXRDcjdDM7kwo-BSAQ?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0Bo0oCM86zcneNXKl4AuJw?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jBOhLp9_SbcrVOyawgOpQA?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3i05f6Wki95YrkI8yrm3VQ?feat=directlink I just happened to have my camera with me when I dropped by to help him upload some videos to YouTube. (He's currently in discussions with the Discovery Channel about doing a segment on the Christmas trees he builds.) I'm sure he'll be OK with moving the furniture around, though he's guaranteed to go around putting everything "precisely" where it was after I'm finished. I moved a saddle rest for a couple of shots yesterday and put it back where I thought it was. Of course, he couldn't help "fine tuning" it when he just happened to walk past it again. He's just one of those guys. Thanks for the tip on the posterboard. I can grab that while I'm out this evening. Best, Walt On 10/13/2010 1:30 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: I bet you could get some really interesting images at that location. I'd be thinking about how to use that zebra rug...! As colorful as the studio is, I think it would look amazing in black& white. Looks like there are some good-sized windows in there. As long as it's ok with your studio-owner friend, I wouldn't be shy about moving the furniture around a bit to take advantage of the natural light, wherever it's landing. Custom white balance (or use a gray card) is your friend here, too. Especially with a mix of lighting sources and yellow cast... and the mixture could change, depending on where you are in the room, so you may have to customize more than once. I would also consider bringing some kind of reflector (posterboard or foam core works), to bounce natural light back onto your model as fill. That might help minimize the red/yellow cast, too. Good luck! -c On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, [Insert standard caveats regarding utter lack of experience, here.] I've managed to get a young former co-worker to agree to pose for me in order to get some experience taking photos of human subjects. She's actually eager to do so, which is nice. But, given the fact that I've not done this before, I figured I'd get some tips from folks who have more experience that I do -- which would be any at all. I've arranged to do the shoot at a friend of mine's studio, where he creates western/cowboy art, tomorrow. The studio is, of course, a setting where that sort of thing would fit in -- i.e., the floors are oak and there's yellow pine on the walls and ceilings. There's not a whole lot of artificial light -- mostly ambient, and some very dim light from chandeliers that he's created. And, obviously, I don't have anything in the way of studio lighting to take with me. I'm planning on doing the shoot in the afternoon, when there will be plenty of available light, but I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to get the best results for skin tones in an atmosphere that's going to be highly saturated in reds and yellows. (I'm obviously going to do some B&W work, too.) Anyway, here's a small gallery of some images from the studio: http://picasaweb.google.com/Ldotters/MacPhailSStudio?feat=directlink Any tips on how to get the most out of the shoot would be very much appreciated. I've already let the model know to be sure and bring several outfits and and makeup, and described the room (yellow pine, etc.) Anything else I should keep in mind (aside from the standard cautions regarding model releases)? Thanks! Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, David. You do have a point about taking the character out of the room. I guess my biggest concern is due to the fact that I've been using auto white balance whenever I've been there to take shots. The room really seems to make the camera behave unpredictably when I go auto. And using flash -- I really have no clue what it'll do from one shot to the next, so I hope to avoid that altogether. I'll toy with the white balance. That sounds like a perfectly reasonable solution. Thanks again, Walt On 10/13/2010 2:03 PM, David Parsons wrote: You keep mentioning skin tone. Set the white balance to daylight or shade, and it will be fine. You obviously like the decor enough to want to shoot in it, but you want to take all that character out of the pictures. The color of the walls is not going to affect your pictures as much as you think it will, just stay away from Auto WB. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Thanks, P.J. That's a good point. I imagine I'll open up the aperture and bump the ISO down to 400 on the tripod shots, and do my damnedest to keep it at 800 or less on the hand-held ones. I'll be shooting in RAW to give myself some extra exposure leeway, too. One thing I am slightly concerned about is the girl's love of tanning. I'm not sure how that's going to look with all that yellow pine on the walls and ceilings. I'll probably end up converting quite a bit to black and white, and desaturating some of the yellow out of a lot of the color shots, as well. Whatever comes out of it, I'm looking forward to learning a lot. And, the girl likes being photographed quite a bit, so I shouldn't have too much trouble talking her into re-shooting some. Thanks again for the tip. -- Walt On 10/13/2010 12:52 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: ISO 1600 may be a bit high for portraiture. Unless you're going for a grainy and possibly blotchy look to skin tones. The *ist-Ds is pretty good for it's age, but I usually end up converting images shot under those conditions to B&W. On 10/13/2010 1:47 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Thanks, William. Those were fairly short exposures. In aperture priority with an auto-ISO of 1600, the shutter speed set at 1/50. Didn't even think about using the tripod, but that would obviously be a good idea. Thanks for mentioning it! -- Walt On 10/13/2010 12:31 PM, William Robb wrote: -- From: "Walter Gilbert" Subject: Soliciting suggestions: Model and Studio Hi all, [Insert standard caveats regarding utter lack of experience, here.] I've managed to get a young former co-worker to agree to pose for me in order to get some experience taking photos of human subjects. She's actually eager to do so, which is nice. But, given the fact that I've not done this before, I figured I'd get some tips from folks who have more experience that I do -- which would be any at all. I've arranged to do the shoot at a friend of mine's studio, where he creates western/cowboy art, tomorrow. The studio is, of course, a setting where that sort of thing would fit in -- i.e., the floors are oak and there's yellow pine on the walls and ceilings. There's not a whole lot of artificial light -- mostly ambient, and some very dim light from chandeliers that he's created. And, obviously, I don't have anything in the way of studio lighting to take with me. I'm planning on doing the shoot in the afternoon, when there will be plenty of available light, but I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to get the best results for skin tones in an atmosphere that's going to be highly saturated in reds and yellows. (I'm obviously going to do some B&W work, too.) Anyway, here's a small gallery of some images from the studio: http://picasaweb.google.com/Ldotters/MacPhailSStudio?feat=directlink Any tips on how to get the most out of the shoot would be very much appreciated. I've already let the model know to be sure and bring several outfits and and makeup, and described the room (yellow pine, etc.) Anything else I should keep in mind (aside from the standard cautions regarding model releases)? Model releases are over rated. I rarely use them. It looks like a nice location. Were it my shoot, I would use available light and a tripod (unless those were very long exposures in your gallery). William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks for all the helpful advice, Larry! I actually don't have a mono-pod, but I suppose I could use the tripod, collapsed, as a makeshift one. My buddy Dan will probably be happy to help me out with the reflector, so that'll help me quite a bit. As for getting the model to smile, that shouldn't be a problem at all. My biggest challenge will most likely be keeping her from smiling in some shots. I'm going to try to get some emotive, somewhat gritty shots from her. My overall vision (as of now) is to be somewhat quirky. Not typical studio portraiture -- senior photos, family pictures, etc. I'm actually looking to get a very modern look from the model to contrast against the rustic look of the setting ... at least in some shots. I've also told her to bring whatever she feels most comfortable in, as well as some clothes that will actually go right along with the setting (cowboy hat, boots, old jeans, denim work shirt) just in case I make a complete hash of the concept I have. Again, thanks for the guidance! I'll do my best, and if I screw it up, at least I will have been educated. Best, Walt On 10/13/2010 1:52 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Thanks, William. Those were fairly short exposures. In aperture priority with an auto-ISO of 1600, the shutter speed set at 1/50. Didn't even think about using the tripod, but that would obviously be a good idea. Thanks for mentioning it! I'm a big fan of monopods for shots under about 1/2 second. Shoot in raw it'll compensate for a world of problems. Every time you change the setup, take another grey card shot. Weird color from the lights isn't a problem with modern gear, however a weird mixture of light temperatures is. If you have sunlight coming in the window and tungsten light in the room, you can get some weird mixtures where it's impossible to color balance the whole scene. Likewise with flash and tungsten, that's why I have straw filters for my flashes, to help bring things into line. If you can get someone to help, possibly holding a 3x5 foot white foamcore board for fill light, that could make your life a lot easier. If you can bring a computer to look at your pictures do so. Shoot for a while, take a break to download and look at what you got. Learn from what you see, then do it again. That keeps both of you from getting too tired, and helps you find out about mistakes while there is still a chance to correct them. Treat the first couple of rounds of shooting and correcting as a warm-up, and make sure your model knows this. Anything that you can get from them will be bonus, but that'll take the pressure off until you're both used to working with each other. Don't try to force smiles. If someone doesn't smile naturally a forced smile won't look any better. Occasional jokes may help, playing comedy albums in the back ground may help. I find that one of the most important things is to get the model to relax. I get some of my best shots when I get my model to "play act", or "make believe". -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. As I'm imagining it, I'm trying to make the room an almost-equal partner in the shoot. It may be a bit early in my development to start angling for art, but I really hate to blow an opportunity to create something that's could set me apart. Also, sooner or later, I'm going to have to develop a discernible style -- for better or worse. I have an "ideal" to shoot for now. I just need to figure out how to achieve it, and I'm never going to do that unless I'm taking pictures. And taking pictures of birds and butterflies ain't gonna get me there, either. -- Walt Don't be afraid to go for detail shots, you don't need all of the model in every shot. Juxtapose her face, or even her shoulder against something interesting in the background. Also don't be afraid to do a shot of something interesting in the room, with her being an out of focus element in the picture. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks for the affirmation, David. If I could go the rest of my life making decent photos without using a flash, I'd be a happy man. On 10/13/2010 2:28 PM, David Parsons wrote: Yeah, if you aren't comfortable using flash, don't try to wing it on your first model shoot. From the pictures you've posted, you've got a good handle on available light shooting, and using a white card for fill may be enough for your needs. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice shot, bra strap notwithstanding! I'll see what kind of ideas occur to me in that vein tomorrow. On 10/13/2010 3:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This was not part of a formal portrait shoot, but here's an idea for untraditional views, and yes the bra strap is unfortunate... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20draped.html On 10/13/2010 3:50 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: That's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. As I'm imagining it, I'm trying to make the room an almost-equal partner in the shoot. It may be a bit early in my development to start angling for art, but I really hate to blow an opportunity to create something that's could set me apart. Also, sooner or later, I'm going to have to develop a discernible style -- for better or worse. I have an "ideal" to shoot for now. I just need to figure out how to achieve it, and I'm never going to do that unless I'm taking pictures. And taking pictures of birds and butterflies ain't gonna get me there, either. -- Walt Don't be afraid to go for detail shots, you don't need all of the model in every shot. Juxtapose her face, or even her shoulder against something interesting in the background. Also don't be afraid to do a shot of something interesting in the room, with her being an out of focus element in the picture. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ha! I'll have to do one hell of a job on this shoot to get her to agree to that. On 10/13/2010 3:36 PM, Cotty wrote: On 13/10/10, Walter Gilbert, discombobulated, unleashed: (cowboy hat, boots, old jeans, denim work shirt) If you lose the shirt, I can offer plenty of advice about skin tones. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi all, Well, I had my very first photo shoot today. All things considered, I think it went fairly well. I did get some good shots, a couple of great shots, and many that will wind up being salvageable. Here are a few shots to give a reasonable approximation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157625167892920/ Nothing went as planned, and I hadn't the foggiest notion what I was doing. But, somehow, I managed not to lose my friend (Megan, the model) -- at least until she's seen the images. There are a few that have clunky backgrounds that I intend to obscure at some point. Beyond that, does anyone have any hits or tips that I might use to make the images look better? Comments, critiques, and advice are, of course, welcome. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Paul. I should be able to re-crop 5302 to avoid the knee-bump. The window shot was one I resisted doing nearly all day, as it was just a bad time of day to try to shoot outside. The sun was extremely strong here yesterday. She seems to be pleased with the shots, though not completely ecstatic -- mainly because I haven't done any editing beyond cropping and basic color corrections -- which I'll be spending quite a bit of time on over the next week. -- Walt On 10/15/2010 6:31 AM, paul stenquist wrote: I like the shot of her looking through the window. Nice pose and framing. You could work on the rendering and tonality a bit. I also like 5302, although her right knee bumping the edge of frame is a bit unhappy. Clipping body parts usually works as long as its a big cut and works well within the frame. Small cuts right at the edge of the frame usually don't work -- ditto, cutting of just the feet. A good first effort. Paul On Oct 15, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, Well, I had my very first photo shoot today. All things considered, I think it went fairly well. I did get some good shots, a couple of great shots, and many that will wind up being salvageable. Here are a few shots to give a reasonable approximation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157625167892920/ Nothing went as planned, and I hadn't the foggiest notion what I was doing. But, somehow, I managed not to lose my friend (Megan, the model) -- at least until she's seen the images. There are a few that have clunky backgrounds that I intend to obscure at some point. Beyond that, does anyone have any hits or tips that I might use to make the images look better? Comments, critiques, and advice are, of course, welcome. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have to agree, Jack. I've been trying to tone down the colors a bit, but what has really bothered me is the shine on her skin that you mentioned. I'm trying to mitigate that some, but nothing I do seems to work, and often makes it worse. I thought maybe a b&w conversion might help a little, but boy was I WRONG! Any ideas on how to do ease it up a bit with very rudimentary Photoshop skills? I really liked the window frame shot, too. As I mentioned to Paul S. in my reply to him, it was a horrible time of day to try to shoot that shot. She was sitting inside a zebra striped Land Rover with a canvas canopy on it. I actually took that one just to be taking a shot -- she wanted some taken on the Rover, I just figured it was a lost cause, but I wanted to go ahead and give it a try, just to satisfy her. If I'd thought there was a chance in hell of it turning out as well as it did, I'd have tried a little harder on the focusing and metering. The shot truly was atrocious before I salvaged it. It just so happened to catch her face at its most flattering angle, I think. Thanks for the input! -- Walt On 10/15/2010 7:59 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I realize from your introductory comments that you have a background issue. In addition, rather harsh tonality while it may be intentional, adds a degree "pressure." In many shots the model's face glistens as though perspiring and to me, conveys a sense of discomfort. The window shot is the cleanest and best pose although the model almost seems secondary to the window frame. Jack --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Walter Gilbert wrote: From: Walter Gilbert Subject: GESO: Megan W. To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 2:55 AM Hi all, Well, I had my very first photo shoot today. All things considered, I think it went fairly well. I did get some good shots, a couple of great shots, and many that will wind up being salvageable. Here are a few shots to give a reasonable approximation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157625167892920/ Nothing went as planned, and I hadn't the foggiest notion what I was doing. But, somehow, I managed not to lose my friend (Megan, the model) -- at least until she's seen the images. There are a few that have clunky backgrounds that I intend to obscure at some point. Beyond that, does anyone have any hits or tips that I might use to make the images look better? Comments, critiques, and advice are, of course, welcome. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Megan W.
Yeah, I've seen that sort of thing done on the boob tube. I took some closeup shots focused directly on her eyes, but the makeup sheen just completely overwhelmed everything in them. I was really disappointed, too, as the girl has some of the most beautiful eyes in the whole wide world. Unfortunately, even if I'd known ahead of time how the shots would have looked, I'm not sure how I would have approached Megan on taking care of it. Not being a professional model, and basically just a pretty country girl, I wouldn't have felt right saying, "You really need to do something about that shine, sister." But, if I ever get to the point where I'm using a professional model, I won't hesitate to do that. They get paid the big bucks to know better. -- Walt On 10/15/2010 8:25 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I realize from your introductory comments that you have a background issue. In addition, rather harsh tonality while it may be intentional, adds a degree "pressure." In many shots the model's face glistens as though perspiring and to me, conveys a sense of discomfort. I've found professional models bring some beige powder to shoots and give themselves a very light dusting from time to time. You'll see makeup pros doing that all the time on film shoot sets. Gotta get rid of the shine. The window shot is the cleanest and best pose although the model almost seems secondary to the window frame. Jack --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Walter Gilbert wrote: From: Walter Gilbert Subject: GESO: Megan W. To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 2:55 AM Hi all, Well, I had my very first photo shoot today. All things considered, I think it went fairly well. I did get some good shots, a couple of great shots, and many that will wind up being salvageable. Here are a few shots to give a reasonable approximation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157625167892920/ Nothing went as planned, and I hadn't the foggiest notion what I was doing. But, somehow, I managed not to lose my friend (Megan, the model) -- at least until she's seen the images. There are a few that have clunky backgrounds that I intend to obscure at some point. Beyond that, does anyone have any hits or tips that I might use to make the images look better? Comments, critiques, and advice are, of course, welcome. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Megan W.
Thanks, David! I liked 5296. Oddly enough, I don't think she was all that fond of it. I thought it captured her personality better than any other picture I took of her all day. Go figure. -- Walt On 10/15/2010 9:00 AM, David J Brooks wrote: I like the first one, in the window and 5296 Dave On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, Well, I had my very first photo shoot today. All things considered, I think it went fairly well. I did get some good shots, a couple of great shots, and many that will wind up being salvageable. Here are a few shots to give a reasonable approximation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157625167892920/ Nothing went as planned, and I hadn't the foggiest notion what I was doing. But, somehow, I managed not to lose my friend (Megan, the model) -- at least until she's seen the images. There are a few that have clunky backgrounds that I intend to obscure at some point. Beyond that, does anyone have any hits or tips that I might use to make the images look better? Comments, critiques, and advice are, of course, welcome. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Transfer pictures: USB or card?
I've always used a card reader, and the only trouble I've ever had with it was bending one of the contacts on the reader trying to get a CF card into it. Never had even the slightest hint of a problem with SD or SDHC cards, though. -- Walt On 10/15/2010 12:35 PM, eckinator wrote: Same here. I recall CF cards and microdrives being a bigger pain and requiring more care but SD's been trouble-free thus far. And guess how happy I was when SDHC cards became affordable and gave me an excuse to replace my old USB 1.1 SD reader =) 2010/10/15 Jack Davis: Use only SD and always with a card reader. Never a hint of a problem. Jack --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: From: Jaume Lahuerta Subject: Transfer pictures: USB or card? To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 9:50 AM Hi, I always transfer pictures to my PC using its card reader. I can't remember why I decided to do it this way, possibly because it is faster and doesn't eat the camera's battery. However, I have been in contact with a person specialized in recovery disks and cards from hardware failures, and he showed me how fragile the contacts in the memory cards are. Also he told me horror stories about cards being damaged only by taking them in and out of the camera...all this scared me a bit, frankly. So...how do you tranfer your pictures? Do you think that there is a risk in removing frequently the card from the camera? Thanks, Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Megan W.
Now there's a bumper sticker for Photoshop dilettantes the world over: "Why dodge and burn when you can fiddle and hope?" That's a pretty apt description of my Photoshop technique. -- Walt On 10/15/2010 12:49 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I'd go for the saturation and color cures sliders. Try knocking down the glistening skin by gently bringing down the highlights. Burn tool would be another possibility. Surgical use of the clone tool(?) MAY then be an option in restoring skin tone. As you can tell, I'd just fiddle with it and hope. Probably many others on this list would have better ideas. Jack --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Walter Gilbert wrote: From: Walter Gilbert Subject: Re: GESO: Megan W. To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 10:25 AM I have to agree, Jack. I've been trying to tone down the colors a bit, but what has really bothered me is the shine on her skin that you mentioned. I'm trying to mitigate that some, but nothing I do seems to work, and often makes it worse. I thought maybe a b&w conversion might help a little, but boy was I WRONG! Any ideas on how to do ease it up a bit with very rudimentary Photoshop skills? I really liked the window frame shot, too. As I mentioned to Paul S. in my reply to him, it was a horrible time of day to try to shoot that shot. She was sitting inside a zebra striped Land Rover with a canvas canopy on it. I actually took that one just to be taking a shot -- she wanted some taken on the Rover, I just figured it was a lost cause, but I wanted to go ahead and give it a try, just to satisfy her. If I'd thought there was a chance in hell of it turning out as well as it did, I'd have tried a little harder on the focusing and metering. The shot truly was atrocious before I salvaged it. It just so happened to catch her face at its most flattering angle, I think. Thanks for the input! -- Walt On 10/15/2010 7:59 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I realize from your introductory comments that you have a background issue. In addition, rather harsh tonality while it may be intentional, adds a degree "pressure." In many shots the model's face glistens as though perspiring and to me, conveys a sense of discomfort. The window shot is the cleanest and best pose although the model almost seems secondary to the window frame. Jack --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Walter Gilbert wrote: From: Walter Gilbert Subject: GESO: Megan W. To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 2:55 AM Hi all, Well, I had my very first photo shoot today. All things considered, I think it went fairly well. I did get some good shots, a couple of great shots, and many that will wind up being salvageable. Here are a few shots to give a reasonable approximation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157625167892920/ Nothing went as planned, and I hadn't the foggiest notion what I was doing. But, somehow, I managed not to lose my friend (Megan, the model) -- at least until she's seen the images. There are a few that have clunky backgrounds that I intend to obscure at some point. Beyond that, does anyone have any hits or tips that I might use to make the images look better? Comments, critiques, and advice are, of course, welcome. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Win XP (SP3)graphics card issue
Hi all, I've encountered a problem that I was hoping some of the more technologically experience among the group might be able to help me with. I'm in the process of trying to Frankenstein another couple of years out of my already ancient PC by upgrading the video card. I've already managed to max out the memory to 3GB and have added a 500 GB hard drive. Now, I just need to upgrade the video from the pathetic GeForce-2 32MB AGP card to the ATI Radeon X1600 PRO 512MB AGP card I recently picked up from eBay. Everything I've been able to unearth says that the card ought to be compatible with my mother board, which Gigabyte nForce3 250 MCP AGP 8x. I have a 400-watt power supply, so I'm fairly certain I'm getting enough power to run the thing. Problem is, when I seat it into the AGP slot and connect it the VGA, the thing simply will not boot and there is no signal going to the monitor whatsoever, though there is power going to the card and the fan is clearly operating. I tried disabling the current drivers for the old card before installing it -- same result. I tried installing the legacy drivers for the Radeon beforehand, as well -- which somehow managed to disable my USB wireless adapter until I ran a system restore. I've gone into the BIOS to see if there are any settings I might be able to change -- voltage, manually enabling AGP 8x, etc., but have been unable to find anything that would seem to be the problem. Any ideas what may be my problem (aside from the fact that I'm using a PC with Win XP, which there's not much I can do about at the moment? Thanks! Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Win XP (SP3)graphics card issue
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/waltergilbert http://waltgilbert.posterous.com/ <http://polipix.posterous.com/> Contact Me Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/walt.gilbert>Flickr <http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/>Twitter <http://twitter.com/walt_gilbert> --- @ WiseStamp Signature <http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=ypgdb385pypw7fhb&site=www.wisestamp.com/email-install>. Get it now <http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=ypgdb385pypw7fhb&site=www.wisestamp.com/email-install> On 3/15/2011 1:30 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 15/03/2011 06:44, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, I've encountered a problem that I was hoping some of the more technologically experience among the group might be able to help me with. I'm in the process of trying to Frankenstein another couple of years out of my already ancient PC by upgrading the video card. I've already managed to max out the memory to 3GB and have added a 500 GB hard drive. Now, I just need to upgrade the video from the pathetic GeForce-2 32MB AGP card to the ATI Radeon X1600 PRO 512MB AGP card I recently picked up from eBay. Everything I've been able to unearth says that the card ought to be compatible with my mother board, which Gigabyte nForce3 250 MCP AGP 8x. I have a 400-watt power supply, so I'm fairly certain I'm getting enough power to run the thing. Problem is, when I seat it into the AGP slot and connect it the VGA, the thing simply will not boot and there is no signal going to the monitor whatsoever, though there is power going to the card and the fan is clearly operating. I tried disabling the current drivers for the old card before installing it -- same result. I tried installing the legacy drivers for the Radeon beforehand, as well -- which somehow managed to disable my USB wireless adapter until I ran a system restore. I've gone into the BIOS to see if there are any settings I might be able to change -- voltage, manually enabling AGP 8x, etc., but have been unable to find anything that would seem to be the problem. Any ideas what may be my problem (aside from the fact that I'm using a PC with Win XP, which there's not much I can do about at the moment? Thanks! Walt Bet it's your power supply. Try to find an online power calculator to see what your configuration needs. (ASUS has one but it may only cover their products) Then assume that your 400W supply is about 60% efficient (which is possibly generous) and see what the shortfall is. Then you can work out how much nominal power you need. Add about 20% for luck. Frankenputers are good but you need to start at the back end. Then you can go on virtually (ha!) permanently. Thank, Mike. That's what I was afraid of. I am running a few peripherals off that power supply, so I'm probably not getting the best output to the card, now that you mention it. I really can't complain about this old thing. I plunked down a little over $400 to have it built six years ago, and it's treated me a lot better than I've treated it. Still zips along pretty well for the most part, though I finally had to do something in order to deal with RAW and TIF files, which I'm just going to have to do if I'm ever going to get the most out of my camera. Whelp! Off to the power supply store . . . -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Win XP (SP3)graphics card issue
Thanks, Matthew! That's exactly what I needed. Looks like I'll need at least 500 watts. I sort of figured the OS wouldn't be the issue, since I thought at the very least the basic driver set would load even if the card wasn't compatible. But, I've been asking and looking around, and I kept encountering "You have to uninstall your old drivers". So, I thought maybe there was just something I didn't understand about how video works. My first suspicion was voltage levels, but it just seemed to me that an AGP 8x-compatible mobo would have the proper voltage settings for an 8x card. I wouldn't think there'd be any variation there, given that everything started going to PCI-E right about the time it came into being. Still looking to see what kind of prices I can come up with on power supplies. I have a couple of "geek-squad" type buddies (one of whom built this system for me) to check in with and see if they may have a good deal. Thanks again for the link! -- Walt On 3/15/2011 6:15 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:30 AM, mike wilson wrote: Bet it's your power supply. Try to find an online power calculator to see what your configuration needs. Good idea... here is the one that I use: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp As it notes, PSU output diminishes as the capacitors age. I would always be suspicious of an elderly power supply. BTW, Walt, if you're not getting any video output (no BIOS messages etc.) then you can safely rule out the operating system (Win XP) and drivers. You're not getting to the point where they would be relevant. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Capital Espresso
Great shots again, Frank! Of the bunch, I like "mug" and "five_seated" best. The young lady sitting opposite the rest in that one looks like she may have been a real babe ... which helps. -- Walt On 3/15/2011 6:20 AM, frank theriault wrote: My new favourite coffee house, Capital Espresso on Queen West in Parkdale, on a quiet Saturday morning: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/03/capital-espresso.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Black Cat on Frozen Lake
I have to say, I really love this shot! -- Walt On 3/17/2011 2:19 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote: From a recent trip to easternmost Turkey. http://500px.com/photo/437321 Bulent - http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Thirty Five years ago.
Living in naval housing in Virginia Beach, setting fire to the shrubs while playing with matches, painting picnic tables bright purple with some discarded paint I'd stumbled upon, and generally causing about as much trouble as a seven-year-old can cause. -- Walt On 3/18/2011 8:26 AM, David J Brooks wrote: What were you doing 35 years ago about this time.?? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: St. Pat's with Friends
Hi all, Just wanted to share a few photos I shot while celebrating St. Patrick's Day with a few friends. Everyone had a great time, but not quite as great as the proud grandparents of the little boy in these photos, both of whom are shown enjoying the company of the li'l fella. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626295321826/ K-x, DA L 18-55, Portrait mode, ISO Auto 800 Comments, critiques and suggestions are all appreciated, of course. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)
A shot I took on the way into the bar I went to yesterday for St. Pat's to have a Guinness or two. It's one of the older buildings in town (Paducah, KY), where I really should get around to shooting some of the architecture one of these days. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5538227640/ K-x, DA L 18-55, Landscape mode, 1/500, ISO 200, f/11 As always, comments, critiques and suggestions welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: St. Pat's with Friends
On 3/18/2011 3:36 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, Just wanted to share a few photos I shot while celebrating St. Patrick's Day with a few friends. Everyone had a great time, but not quite as great as the proud grandparents of the little boy in these photos, both of whom are shown enjoying the company of the li'l fella. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626295321826/ K-x, DA L 18-55, Portrait mode, ISO Auto 800 Comments, critiques and suggestions are all appreciated, of course. Some lovely portraits there. This one's my fave: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5537529705/in/set-72157626295321826/ Here I was thinking I'd be looking at a bunch of drunk, Guinness-swilling, green fake-top-hat wearing fools. How wrong I was! ;-) cheers, frank Many thanks, Frank! It was hard for me to pick a favorite, but I really do like the one you picked a lot. His eyes really seemed to pop in that one. And there's not much in the world that's more beautiful than babies' eyes. And, just for the record, I'd never subject my Pentax friends to the sort of thing I subject my Facebook friends to. One must maintain clear lines of delineation. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: St. Pat's with Friends
Thank you, Bulent! I don't have any children of my own, but the people around me who do should never want for photos of their babies. I love taking photos of them -- though I wouldn't want to be a studio-type baby photographer. I want to still like babies when I put the camera away. :-) -- Walt On 3/18/2011 3:36 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: Walt, Loved them all! I wish I had more photos of my children :( Bulent - http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: St. Pat's with Friends
On 3/18/2011 3:52 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, Just wanted to share a few photos I shot while celebrating St. Patrick's Day with a few friends. Everyone had a great time, but not quite as great as the proud grandparents of the little boy in these photos, both of whom are shown enjoying the company of the li'l fella. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626295321826/ K-x, DA L 18-55, Portrait mode, ISO Auto 800 Comments, critiques and suggestions are all appreciated, of course. Some lovely portraits there. This one's my fave: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5537529705/in/set-72157626295321826/ Here I was thinking I'd be looking at a bunch of drunk, Guinness-swilling, green fake-top-hat wearing fools. How wrong I was! ;-) cheers, frank To tell the truth, I didn't look at them earlier for the same reason , Frank! sweet photos, Walt ! ann Thank you, Ann! I guess I probably did choose poorly in titling my post, in retrospect. Thanks for having a look in spite of my ineptitude. :-) -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)
Thanks again, Frank! There are some lovely old buildings in the downtown area. One of the more beautiful ones is an old bank building that now houses a law firm. It's a stately, dignified old structure with granite columns where my granddad once ran a concessions stand in the lobby. Unfortunately, it's kind of tough to get a good shot of it because of where it's situated, and the newer buildings that have gone up next to it since I was a kid. I'll have to get out there one night and see if I can do some creative composition, though. -- Walt On 3/18/2011 3:29 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: A shot I took on the way into the bar I went to yesterday for St. Pat's to have a Guinness or two. It's one of the older buildings in town (Paducah, KY), where I really should get around to shooting some of the architecture one of these days. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5538227640/ K-x, DA L 18-55, Landscape mode, 1/500, ISO 200, f/11 As always, comments, critiques and suggestions welcome. Lovely old church, well captured. Love the deep blue sky! What's Landscape mode do? cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)
Oh! I forgot about Landscape mode! As best I can tell, it stops down the aperture for more depth of field and sensitivity for longer exposure. But that's purely conjecture on my part based on the EXIF data. -- Walt On 3/18/2011 3:29 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: A shot I took on the way into the bar I went to yesterday for St. Pat's to have a Guinness or two. It's one of the older buildings in town (Paducah, KY), where I really should get around to shooting some of the architecture one of these days. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5538227640/ K-x, DA L 18-55, Landscape mode, 1/500, ISO 200, f/11 As always, comments, critiques and suggestions welcome. Lovely old church, well captured. Love the deep blue sky! What's Landscape mode do? cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I See The Train Acommin Down The Track
Great shot, Don! I wish I lived closer to an operating railroad. I think I'd enjoy capturing trains, myself! -- Walt On 3/18/2011 3:51 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: I finally got an angle I liked on the local CN locomotive. Comments from train picture haters or lovers always welcome. http://donspix.posterous.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)
It was a pretty appropriate setting for the day. And the Van Morrison playing over the sound system on the patio outside the bar really tied it all together nicely. -- Walt On 3/18/2011 7:15 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: You know, the bar, the church, and the Guinness would not quite fit tougher if the Irish weren't involved. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: A shot I took on the way into the bar I went to yesterday for St. Pat's to have a Guinness or two. It's one of the older buildings in town (Paducah, KY), where I really should get around to shooting some of the architecture one of these days. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5538227640/ K-x, DA L 18-55, Landscape mode, 1/500, ISO 200, f/11 As always, comments, critiques and suggestions welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)
Thanks, Jeffery. And, yes -- Nashville is pretty close-by. Only about an hour and half drive, give or take. I haven't been there in a couple of years, but I'll be flying out of there next week. Last time I went, I was sitting in an executive skybox watching the Titans with a good friend. I'm curious to see how far the city has come along since the flood. -- Walt On 3/18/2011 8:33 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: Nice capture there Walt and you aren't too far per say from Nashville. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walter Gilbert Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:20 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar) A shot I took on the way into the bar I went to yesterday for St. Pat's to have a Guinness or two. It's one of the older buildings in town (Paducah, KY), where I really should get around to shooting some of the architecture one of these days. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5538227640/ K-x, DA L 18-55, Landscape mode, 1/500, ISO 200, f/11 As always, comments, critiques and suggestions welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/19/2011 1:43 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-03-18 20:28 , Paul Stenquist wrote: He's Obama's prisoner. Are you trying to say that our liberal democrat president is torturing a U.S. citizen? Obama sucks there, i said it Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/19/2011 8:22 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Scott Loveless On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:21 AM, William Robb wrote: > American = Wikileaks bad. > Rest of world = Wikileaks good. > And frankly, I don't think Wikileaks has hurt any innocent people. Don't lump us all in together. What with security theater at airports, warrantless wire taps and the government's constant droning of "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear", it's freakin' obvious that a big chunk of the US gov't doesn't trust a big chunk of the US. The only people harmed by wikileaks are the two-faced bastards in DC. If they hadn't done anything wrong, they wouldn't have anything to hide... Hasn't really done that much harm to "the two-faced bastards in DC", other than creating a small amount of embarrassment over certain earthy and entirely accurate assessments of foreign government personalities made by our own ambassadors. The innocents put in harms way are those local people in other countries who cooperated with the US to improve their own situations in their own countries - the village headmen in Afghanistan who mediated between their own people and NATO troops; the mid-level Taliban members who were open to finding a negotiated end to the current war, etc. Like I said, just because Assange and Wikileaks are trying to stick it to the U.S. Government doesn't make them good guys. The whole Wikileaks phenomenon is just about as irony-soaked as it gets. At this point, there's absolutely nothing about the entire project that anyone can point to as a redeeming value. Its titular leader is almost universally scorned by people on either side of the issue, and the cause it purportedly seeks to advance has been set back irreparably for generations. Does anyone honestly believe that what has occurred will cause any of its targeted entities -- governmental, quasi-governmental, or non-governmental -- to operate in a more open fashion as a result of any of these leaks? I'd submit that it's had the exact opposite effect, causing every entity that's been targeted to review its security procedures and make draconian adjustments, along with causing every potentially impacted entity get out in front of the possibility of similar leaks. And, so far, the only marginal benefit that's occurred as a consequence of any of the leaks has amounted to little more than a confirmation of long-held suspicions among people on both sides. The only real "shock" experienced by anyone over the information that's been uncovered is over the fact that none of it had come to light long ago. And then there was the supreme irony of Assange petitioning the courts to keep secret the address listed in his bond information -- something that has always been a matter of public record. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338832/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-asked-judge-bail-address-secret.html The world has been taken for a ride by the Don King of international intrigue. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)
Glad to hear y'all are making steady (if slow in some areas) progress. I do love Nashville, having had some of the best times of my youth down there. I guess at this point, you just have to take solace in the fact that you witnessed history firsthand, and that it probably won't happen again in your lifetime. -- Walt On 3/19/2011 9:42 AM, Jeffery Johnson wrote: Walt, Well for the most part it has come along pretty good. Just across the way though the houses that were along Richland Creek are waiting to be bought and I am guessing torn down. It really was surreal watching the news and seeing the stretch of I-24 around Bell Rd. exit completely under water. I drive back and forth that direction when I head to work in Antioch. I drove to work that Monday morning and it was surreal again seeing all that debris and what not that the flood waters carried along. A car sat upside down on the banks of the creek for a long time until water subsided long enough I suppose for them to get a tow truck to be able to move the car. Jeffery -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walter Gilbert Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:56 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar) Thanks, Jeffery. And, yes -- Nashville is pretty close-by. Only about an hour and half drive, give or take. I haven't been there in a couple of years, but I'll be flying out of there next week. Last time I went, I was sitting in an executive skybox watching the Titans with a good friend. I'm curious to see how far the city has come along since the flood. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/19/2011 4:14 PM, eckinator wrote: liberal seems to be the new communist. mccarthy rears his ugly head if you ask me... If it's any consolation, conservative has been the new Nazi for many years now. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/19/2011 10:48 PM, William Robb wrote: On 19/03/2011 3:52 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: If it's any consolation, conservative has been the new Nazi for many years now. With what's going on in Wisconsin, it's pretty hard to argue otherwise. That's an utterly ignorant (if unsurprising) statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Why is it that whenever someone raises this point, they always fail to recognize that the people who are subjected to waterboarding also are subjected to it in training. They know how it works. It's just that it's unpleasant enough to remain effective. That said, I'd gladly submit myself to waterboarding if you'll allow me to deploy any of the tactics typically used by the people being subjected to it in return. -- Walt On 3/20/2011 5:10 AM, Bob W wrote: There's an enormous difference between undergoing something voluntarily for training, carried out by people on your own side, in conditions where you are in control, where you know the outcome and you know when it will end, and being subjected to the same thing by your enemies while you're kept in solitary confinement with no access to anyone else, not knowing where you are, against your will, time after time for months and years, not knowing when it will be over, but knowing that it's going to happen again and again and again, and listening for the steps in the corridor that tell you they're coming back. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/20/2011 7:37 AM, Bob W wrote: Why is it that whenever someone raises this point, they always fail to recognize that the people who are subjected to waterboarding also are subjected to it in training. They know how it works. It's just that it's unpleasant enough to remain effective. the evidence suggests that it's not effective. But that's not what matters, what matters is the moral issue. Even if it was 100% effective it would still be wrong and we should not do it. Which evidence would you be talking about? There is testimony and evidence that valuable information was extracted from Khalid Sheikh Muhammed, and Abu Zubayda that let to the interruption of terrorist attacks, saving lives. And, if you can waterboard someone -- 10 times or 100 times -- and it saves peoples lives, and the anguish and psychological terror of all the people connected with those lives, directly or indirectly, it's justifiable. That said, I'd gladly submit myself to waterboarding if you'll allow me to deploy any of the tactics typically used by the people being subjected to it in return. that's a damn silly thing to say, the sort of thing you hear in playgrounds. We're supposed to be different from those people. Use of their tactics makes us indistinguishable and means we have lost the fight to defend and promote our values. That operates from the incorrect assumption that waterboarding isn't different from their tactics. It quite clearly is, whether you want to recognize it or not. B -- Walt On 3/20/2011 5:10 AM, Bob W wrote: There's an enormous difference between undergoing something voluntarily for training, carried out by people on your own side, in conditions where you are in control, where you know the outcome and you know when it will end, and being subjected to the same thing by your enemies while you're kept in solitary confinement with no access to anyone else, not knowing where you are, against your will, time after time for months and years, not knowing when it will be over, but knowing that it's going to happen again and again and again, and listening for the steps in the corridor that tell you they're coming back. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/20/2011 8:34 AM, eckinator wrote: 2011/3/20 Paul Stenquist: Flying an airplane full of civilians into a building is torture. Beheading a journalist on videotape so his family can see him die is torture. Waterboarding is just damn unpleasant. uncontestedly waterboarding is less evil. but perpetrating something less evil to possibly prevent something more evil makes you just that: less evil. but nonetheless evil. not good. and by a far cry not morally superior. maybe you're a bit farther down on the food chain but still an evildoer. Lesser evils are sometimes necessary evils. The bombing of Dresden springs immediately to mind. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: St. Pat's with Friends
Thanks, David! I really liked the moment I managed to capture, though I wish it had been a wee bit sharper. Still, I thought it was joyful, which always makes for nice, feelgood snapshots. -- Walt On 3/20/2011 8:48 AM, David J Brooks wrote: I likek this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5537530335/in/set-72157626295321826/ Dave On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, Just wanted to share a few photos I shot while celebrating St. Patrick's Day with a few friends. Everyone had a great time, but not quite as great as the proud grandparents of the little boy in these photos, both of whom are shown enjoying the company of the li'l fella. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626295321826/ K-x, DA L 18-55, Portrait mode, ISO Auto 800 Comments, critiques and suggestions are all appreciated, of course. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal
No, Bill. What I'm saying is that anyone who would say such a plainly idiotic thing obviously hasn't got the foggiest notion of what a Nazi is. -- Walt On 3/20/2011 9:15 AM, William Robb wrote: On 20/03/2011 6:21 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: With what's going on in Wisconsin, it's pretty hard to argue otherwise. That's an utterly ignorant (if unsurprising) statement. So you are saying you are about as ignorant about what is going on in your own country as what is going on everywhere else. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/20/2011 9:17 AM, William Robb wrote: On 20/03/2011 6:27 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: That said, I'd gladly submit myself to waterboarding if you'll allow me to deploy any of the tactics typically used by the people being subjected to it in return. Does that include bombing civilians by the USAF? Just wondering. I fail to see the how having a bomb dropped on you is in anyway preferable to having a plane flown into your building, or being on that plane. Still wondering? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/20/2011 9:26 AM, William Robb wrote: On 20/03/2011 7:37 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Lesser evils are sometimes necessary evils. The bombing of Dresden springs immediately to mind. Just don't try to hold yourself up as a paragon of civilization and democracy after practising your lesser evils, since every lesser evil brings you closer and closer to being the evil that you like to think you abhor. Duly noted as written by a man who can't distinguish between the dissolution of collective bargaining rights among public sector unions and running Jews through gas chambers and incinerators. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/20/2011 10:31 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 20/03/2011 15:29, Walter Gilbert wrote: the dissolution of collective bargaining rights among public sector unions I fail to see why anyone would want that, except to treat fellow humans less equitably. Being promoted by the corn-fed fascist who recently awarded the tax breaks that precipitated his state's budget crisis seems to be merely icing on the cake. It's at the very least debatable who the corn-fed fascists are here. http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/03/12-death-threat-photos-against-gov.html "I want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and your republican dictators have to die. This is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, this isn't enough. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message. So we have built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) the 8 of you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Senator that risked everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. The 8 includes the 7 senators and the dictator. We feel that it's worth our lives becasue we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. Goodbye ASSHOLE" http://www.doj.state.wi.us/absolutenm/templates/template_share.aspx?articleid=2448&zoneid=1 -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/20/2011 11:41 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 20/03/2011 17:35, Walter Gilbert wrote: On 3/20/2011 10:31 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 20/03/2011 15:29, Walter Gilbert wrote: the dissolution of collective bargaining rights among public sector unions I fail to see why anyone would want that, except to treat fellow humans less equitably. Being promoted by the corn-fed fascist who recently awarded the tax breaks that precipitated his state's budget crisis seems to be merely icing on the cake. It's at the very least debatable who the corn-fed fascists are here. http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/03/12-death-threat-photos-against-gov.html The straw in that man isn't even fit for mattresses. Well, what can I say. All I can do is make my case and pray some fascist bastard doesn't shoot me for it. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT finally a chance to get even with those f***ers at, PayPal
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/waltergilbert http://waltgilbert.posterous.com/ <http://polipix.posterous.com/> Contact Me Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/walt.gilbert>Flickr <http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/>Twitter <http://twitter.com/walt_gilbert> --- @ WiseStamp Signature <http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=ypgdb385pypw7fhb&site=www.wisestamp.com/email-install>. Get it now <http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=ypgdb385pypw7fhb&site=www.wisestamp.com/email-install> On 3/20/2011 12:31 PM, mike wilson wrote: On 20/03/2011 18:48, Walter Gilbert wrote: On 3/20/2011 11:41 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 20/03/2011 17:35, Walter Gilbert wrote: On 3/20/2011 10:31 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 20/03/2011 15:29, Walter Gilbert wrote: the dissolution of collective bargaining rights among public sector unions I fail to see why anyone would want that, except to treat fellow humans less equitably. Being promoted by the corn-fed fascist who recently awarded the tax breaks that precipitated his state's budget crisis seems to be merely icing on the cake. It's at the very least debatable who the corn-fed fascists are here. http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/03/12-death-threat-photos-against-gov.html The straw in that man isn't even fit for mattresses. Well, what can I say. All I can do is make my case and pray some fascist bastard doesn't shoot me for it. One particular FB wants to use a baseball bat. I'll supply the bat. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)
Thanks, Larry! That reminds me of the old saw about the difference between Baptists and Catholics: Catholics will say hi to you at the liquor store. :-) And yes, that would be a great place to try a little layering of bracketed exposures. I was strolling down the sidewalk with friends when I took this one, and didn't want to hold everyone else up, so I just turned on the camera, popped it into "landscape" and fired. The sky just happened to be a really beautiful shade of blue that day. One of these days, I really do need to get back downtown and shoot some of the older buildings before they get turned to dust in an earthquake -- and it won't take much of one to do it. -- Walt On 3/20/2011 5:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:29 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: A shot I took on the way into the bar I went to yesterday for St. Pat's to have a Guinness or two. It's one of the older buildings in town (Paducah, KY), where I really should get around to shooting some of the architecture one of these days. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5538227640/ K-x, DA L 18-55, Landscape mode, 1/500, ISO 200, f/11 As always, comments, critiques and suggestions welcome. Of course the Episcopal church is across the street from the bar. I hear that they're a very social sect, any time you get four of them together, you're bound to find a fifth. Oh, it's a nice photo too. Though with those dark shadows in contrast with the sunlit side it is one of those cases where I would just autobracket my raw exposures, just in case I ever get around to doing HDR. I don't go for that wild tone mapping HDR style, but there are times it would be nice to be able to pull more detail out of the highlights and shadows if the shot turns out to be a keeper. It occurs to me that with the K-5, it has so much more dynamic range at low ISO, I should increase my bracketing range, at least at low ISO. Lovely old church, well captured. Love the deep blue sky! I agree. The sky, and sunlit bricks are metered perfectly. What's Landscape mode do? cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Walt's bay area trip April 27-28
That Pirate Radio dance party sounds like a blast! As does everything else -- especially the looking for trouble part. I'm down for anything interesting. I'm not much of a dancer, though. But, I'm a pretty fair spectator. -- Walt On 3/20/2011 9:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote: We haven't solidified the plans yet, but I'll be meeting Walt someplace between here and San Ramon next Sunday afternoon. The Fremont Fry's might be entertaining if he's never been to one. We're planning on going out shooting that afternoon, maybe swing by the steampunk convention, maybe a hike in the redwoods or by the beach in the rain. The weather is supposed to dry out a bit on Monday, and we'll do more of the sight seeing, photography, looking for trouble. He flies out Tuesday morning, so we'll be crawling out of bed pretty early, grabbing brekkies and heading to SJC without much time for photography before hand. If you want to be kept in the loop for planning, or schedule notification for any of this, let me know. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
Aside from the price and low-light performance, the video capability and in-camera HDR on my K-x were two of the biggest selling points for me. In the ten months I've owned her, I've shot approximately 30 seconds of video and exactly one in-camera HDR capture with my K-x. I wonder how many other buyers went in with the same intentions only to discover that they're the least appealing features of the camera. -- Walt On 3/20/2011 10:11 AM, Cory Waters wrote: Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the "old dog" type or even "purists"? For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and P&S cameras + 1 "Flip" style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Episcopal Church (across the street from the bar)
On 3/21/2011 9:21 AM, frank theriault wrote: On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Thanks, Larry! That reminds me of the old saw about the difference between Baptists and Catholics: Catholics will say hi to you at the liquor store. :-) As a former Catholic (perhaps more appropriately called "recovering Catholic" - despite about 40 years as a non-believer), I can tell you that joke was not likely conceived by Papists. ;-) cheers, frank Ha! I suspect the Lutherans. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
