[NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Dave Crozier]

To All,
I’m setting up a small network with an ADSL Modem/Router (IP address
192.168.0.2), 1 x Win 2K Server (IP address 192.168.0.1) running active
Directory and a number of Win 2K clients, each client using DHCP from the
Server to get an IP address in the range 192.168.0.100 to 192.168.0.150. 

In any previous networks I’ve always used the ROUTER to assign dynamic IP
addresses to the clients with the server still having a fixed address with
no problems whatsoever but I can’t seem to work out the best/easiest way to
configure the client machines with regards to Gateways/DNS Server etc when
using the Server as a DHCP source.

Using my preferred method of DHCP on the router means that I can leave the
“obtain IP Address automatically” setting along with forgetting about the
Default Gateway and DNS Server settings on the clients but this situation is
different and I’m just a little stumped at present.

What would your suggestions be for settings of Gateway, DNS
Primary/secondary on the server and workstations if I HAVE to use DHCP on
the server as opposed to on the router?

I’m sure I’m being really stupid here in missing something out as the DHCP
from the server is fine in that I can see the whole network from the
workstations but cannot see the Internet unless I put in a DNS setting of
192.168.0.2 and/or a gateway of 192.168.0.2 which then seems to screw up the
local networking. Even worse some workstations seem to work intermittently
with one of the previous Gateway/DNS settings.

Do I perhaps have to leave the terminals as automatic (no settings) and
modify the server in some way perhaps?

Dave Crozier




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Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Peter Cushing]

Dave Crozier wrote:
> To All,
> I’m setting up a small network with an ADSL Modem/Router (IP address
> 192.168.0.2), 1 x Win 2K Server (IP address 192.168.0.1) running active
> Directory and a number of Win 2K clients, each client using DHCP from the
> Server to get an IP address in the range 192.168.0.100 to 192.168.0.150. 
>
> In any previous networks I’ve always used the ROUTER to assign dynamic IP
> addresses to the clients with the server still having a fixed address with
> no problems whatsoever but I can’t seem to work out the best/easiest way to
> configure the client machines with regards to Gateways/DNS Server etc when
> using the Server as a DHCP source.
>
> Using my preferred method of DHCP on the router means that I can leave the
> “obtain IP Address automatically” setting along with forgetting about the
> Default Gateway and DNS Server settings on the clients but this situation is
> different and I’m just a little stumped at present.
>
> What would your suggestions be for settings of Gateway, DNS
> Primary/secondary on the server and workstations if I HAVE to use DHCP on
> the server as opposed to on the router?
>
> I’m sure I’m being really stupid here in missing something out as the DHCP
> from the server is fine in that I can see the whole network from the
> workstations but cannot see the Internet unless I put in a DNS setting of
> 192.168.0.2 and/or a gateway of 192.168.0.2 which then seems to screw up the
> local networking. Even worse some workstations seem to work intermittently
> with one of the previous Gateway/DNS settings.
>
>   
Hi Dave,

I'm no expert in this area (arse covered!), but there should not be any 
problem getting the network addresses from the server.  We do that now 
using W2K3 and used to use it with NT.  You can also set the server to 
be the DNS source but I think you need another piece of software to then 
forward the requests to the router.  We used to use a program called 
VSOCKS which is basically a proxy server.  What you can also do for the 
DNS is to set them to the external setting recommeded by the ISP.  This 
is what I do at home with 4 machines.  They all have DNS or 
194.168.4.100 etc.   This works fine.
As for the default gateway, AFAIK that should always be the router.  
That is the settings we use here and at home.

HTH

Peter



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RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Dave Crozier]

Peter,
Thanks for your input. That is exactly my thinking on the problem but it
doesn't seem to work consistently. Initially I thought it was because I
hadn't rebooted the terminals when changing gateways etc., but this is so
inconsistent I'm really confused. 

In my lay mans terms, what I'd really like to do is leave the clients so
they automatically are set up without having to manually set gateways/DNS
and then set up the Server to route all the Internet requests through itself
to the router. However (1) how do I do this easily - or the "best way" and
(2) how do I set the server to relay any DNS requests out to the router or
an external DNS, whichever is the best option. 

I read somewhere that you can set up the "Active Directory" so that DNS
values are loaded up onto the terminal from the Server i.e so you only need
to set up the server once, but I can't find reference to it anywhere.

Even though this is only a small network I'd like to sort out the "best
practice" as I guess that I've fudged the issue in the past by always using
the DHCP on the router, which I don't think is the correct way - even though
it works.

As the owner of the network said, if the Router dies then all his network
would die as it couldn't allocate IP addresses to the workstations, whereas
if the Server runs DHCP then they would still be up and running. Also
maintenance would all be at one point in the network and I think he's got a
valid point there.

As for DNS settings I'd prefer not to hard code into the server or terminals
but use the DNS settings as uploaded automatically to the router by the ISP
to keep it simple for maintenance i.e let the DNS first point be the server,
which then passes the request to the router, which in turn passes it onto
the ISP's DNS servers - if I can of course.

Dave Crozier

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Of Peter Cushing
Sent: 02 August 2007 10:05
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Dave Crozier wrote:
> To All,
> I’m setting up a small network with an ADSL Modem/Router (IP address
> 192.168.0.2), 1 x Win 2K Server (IP address 192.168.0.1) running active
> Directory and a number of Win 2K clients, each client using DHCP from the
> Server to get an IP address in the range 192.168.0.100 to 192.168.0.150. 
>
> In any previous networks I’ve always used the ROUTER to assign dynamic IP
> addresses to the clients with the server still having a fixed address with
> no problems whatsoever but I can’t seem to work out the best/easiest way
to
> configure the client machines with regards to Gateways/DNS Server etc when
> using the Server as a DHCP source.
>
> Using my preferred method of DHCP on the router means that I can leave the
> “obtain IP Address automatically” setting along with forgetting about the
> Default Gateway and DNS Server settings on the clients but this situation
is
> different and I’m just a little stumped at present.
>
> What would your suggestions be for settings of Gateway, DNS
> Primary/secondary on the server and workstations if I HAVE to use DHCP on
> the server as opposed to on the router?
>
> I’m sure I’m being really stupid here in missing something out as the DHCP
> from the server is fine in that I can see the whole network from the
> workstations but cannot see the Internet unless I put in a DNS setting of
> 192.168.0.2 and/or a gateway of 192.168.0.2 which then seems to screw up
the
> local networking. Even worse some workstations seem to work intermittently
> with one of the previous Gateway/DNS settings.
>
>   
Hi Dave,

I'm no expert in this area (arse covered!), but there should not be any 
problem getting the network addresses from the server.  We do that now 
using W2K3 and used to use it with NT.  You can also set the server to 
be the DNS source but I think you need another piece of software to then 
forward the requests to the router.  We used to use a program called 
VSOCKS which is basically a proxy server.  What you can also do for the 
DNS is to set them to the external setting recommeded by the ISP.  This 
is what I do at home with 4 machines.  They all have DNS or 
194.168.4.100 etc.   This works fine.
As for the default gateway, AFAIK that should always be the router.  
That is the settings we use here and at home.

HTH

Peter



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RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Peter Hart]

Hi Dave

If you would like to talk to my Nephew who is a Guru with Networks, I
can give you his phone no.  He has already agreed to talk to you.

Ring me on my Mobile before 2.30. or after 6.00pm. (Vera becomes a
British Citizen today)  07885 963 857

Cheers

Peter


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Subject: RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Peter,
Thanks for your input. That is exactly my thinking on the problem but it
doesn't seem to work consistently. Initially I thought it was because I
hadn't rebooted the terminals when changing gateways etc., but this is
so
inconsistent I'm really confused. 

In my lay mans terms, what I'd really like to do is leave the clients so
they automatically are set up without having to manually set
gateways/DNS
and then set up the Server to route all the Internet requests through
itself
to the router. However (1) how do I do this easily - or the "best way"
and
(2) how do I set the server to relay any DNS requests out to the router
or
an external DNS, whichever is the best option. 

I read somewhere that you can set up the "Active Directory" so that DNS
values are loaded up onto the terminal from the Server i.e so you only
need
to set up the server once, but I can't find reference to it anywhere.

Even though this is only a small network I'd like to sort out the "best
practice" as I guess that I've fudged the issue in the past by always
using
the DHCP on the router, which I don't think is the correct way - even
though
it works.

As the owner of the network said, if the Router dies then all his
network
would die as it couldn't allocate IP addresses to the workstations,
whereas
if the Server runs DHCP then they would still be up and running. Also
maintenance would all be at one point in the network and I think he's
got a
valid point there.

As for DNS settings I'd prefer not to hard code into the server or
terminals
but use the DNS settings as uploaded automatically to the router by the
ISP
to keep it simple for maintenance i.e let the DNS first point be the
server,
which then passes the request to the router, which in turn passes it
onto
the ISP's DNS servers - if I can of course.

Dave Crozier

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Of Peter Cushing
Sent: 02 August 2007 10:05
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Dave Crozier wrote:
> To All,
> I'm setting up a small network with an ADSL Modem/Router (IP address
> 192.168.0.2), 1 x Win 2K Server (IP address 192.168.0.1) running
active
> Directory and a number of Win 2K clients, each client using DHCP from
the
> Server to get an IP address in the range 192.168.0.100 to
192.168.0.150. 
>
> In any previous networks I've always used the ROUTER to assign dynamic
IP
> addresses to the clients with the server still having a fixed address
with
> no problems whatsoever but I can't seem to work out the best/easiest
way
to
> configure the client machines with regards to Gateways/DNS Server etc
when
> using the Server as a DHCP source.
>
> Using my preferred method of DHCP on the router means that I can leave
the
> "obtain IP Address automatically" setting along with forgetting about
the
> Default Gateway and DNS Server settings on the clients but this
situation
is
> different and I'm just a little stumped at present.
>
> What would your suggestions be for settings of Gateway, DNS
> Primary/secondary on the server and workstations if I HAVE to use DHCP
on
> the server as opposed to on the router?
>
> I'm sure I'm being really stupid here in missing something out as the
DHCP
> from the server is fine in that I can see the whole network from the
> workstations but cannot see the Internet unless I put in a DNS setting
of
> 192.168.0.2 and/or a gateway of 192.168.0.2 which then seems to screw
up
the
> local networking. Even worse some workstations seem to work
intermittently
> with one of the previous Gateway/DNS settings.
>
>   
Hi Dave,

I'm no expert in this area (arse covered!), but there should not be any 
problem getting the network addresses from the server.  We do that now 
using W2K3 and used to use it with NT.  You can also set the server to 
be the DNS source but I think you need another piece of software to then

forward the requests to the router.  We used to use a program called 
VSOCKS which is basically a proxy server.  What you can also do for the 
DNS is to set them to the external setting recommeded by the ISP.  This 
is what I do at home with 4 machines.  They all have DNS or 
194.168.4.100 etc.   This works fine.
As for the default gateway, AFAIK that should always be the router.  
That is the settings we use here and at home.

HTH

Peter



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I had to use Excel 2007 for a couple of days and really hated the
interface. For now the firm I'm working with is sticking with Office
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>
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>
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> it saves in the new format (buggering up our Office reporting feature
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RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Dave Crozier]

Thanks Peter,
I may well give you a ring this evening.

Dave Crozier

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Of Peter Hart
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Subject: RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Hi Dave

If you would like to talk to my Nephew who is a Guru with Networks, I
can give you his phone no.  He has already agreed to talk to you.

Ring me on my Mobile before 2.30. or after 6.00pm. (Vera becomes a
British Citizen today)  07885 963 857

Cheers

Peter


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Subject: RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Peter,
Thanks for your input. That is exactly my thinking on the problem but it
doesn't seem to work consistently. Initially I thought it was because I
hadn't rebooted the terminals when changing gateways etc., but this is
so
inconsistent I'm really confused. 

In my lay mans terms, what I'd really like to do is leave the clients so
they automatically are set up without having to manually set
gateways/DNS
and then set up the Server to route all the Internet requests through
itself
to the router. However (1) how do I do this easily - or the "best way"
and
(2) how do I set the server to relay any DNS requests out to the router
or
an external DNS, whichever is the best option. 

I read somewhere that you can set up the "Active Directory" so that DNS
values are loaded up onto the terminal from the Server i.e so you only
need
to set up the server once, but I can't find reference to it anywhere.

Even though this is only a small network I'd like to sort out the "best
practice" as I guess that I've fudged the issue in the past by always
using
the DHCP on the router, which I don't think is the correct way - even
though
it works.

As the owner of the network said, if the Router dies then all his
network
would die as it couldn't allocate IP addresses to the workstations,
whereas
if the Server runs DHCP then they would still be up and running. Also
maintenance would all be at one point in the network and I think he's
got a
valid point there.

As for DNS settings I'd prefer not to hard code into the server or
terminals
but use the DNS settings as uploaded automatically to the router by the
ISP
to keep it simple for maintenance i.e let the DNS first point be the
server,
which then passes the request to the router, which in turn passes it
onto
the ISP's DNS servers - if I can of course.

Dave Crozier

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
Of Peter Cushing
Sent: 02 August 2007 10:05
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Dave Crozier wrote:
> To All,
> I'm setting up a small network with an ADSL Modem/Router (IP address
> 192.168.0.2), 1 x Win 2K Server (IP address 192.168.0.1) running
active
> Directory and a number of Win 2K clients, each client using DHCP from
the
> Server to get an IP address in the range 192.168.0.100 to
192.168.0.150. 
>
> In any previous networks I've always used the ROUTER to assign dynamic
IP
> addresses to the clients with the server still having a fixed address
with
> no problems whatsoever but I can't seem to work out the best/easiest
way
to
> configure the client machines with regards to Gateways/DNS Server etc
when
> using the Server as a DHCP source.
>
> Using my preferred method of DHCP on the router means that I can leave
the
> "obtain IP Address automatically" setting along with forgetting about
the
> Default Gateway and DNS Server settings on the clients but this
situation
is
> different and I'm just a little stumped at present.
>
> What would your suggestions be for settings of Gateway, DNS
> Primary/secondary on the server and workstations if I HAVE to use DHCP
on
> the server as opposed to on the router?
>
> I'm sure I'm being really stupid here in missing something out as the
DHCP
> from the server is fine in that I can see the whole network from the
> workstations but cannot see the Internet unless I put in a DNS setting
of
> 192.168.0.2 and/or a gateway of 192.168.0.2 which then seems to screw
up
the
> local networking. Even worse some workstations seem to work
intermittently
> with one of the previous Gateway/DNS settings.
>
>   
Hi Dave,

I'm no expert in this area (arse covered!), but there should not be any 
problem getting the network addresses from the server.  We do that now 
using W2K3 and used to use it with NT.  You can also set the server to 
be the DNS source but I think you need another piece of software to then

forward the requests to the router.  We used to use a program called 
VSOCKS which is basically a proxy server.  What you can also do for the 
DNS is to set them to the external setting recommeded by the ISP.  This 
is what I do at home with 4 machines.  They all have DNS or 
194.168.4.100 etc.   This works fine.
As for the default gateway, AFAIK that should alwa

RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Dave Crozier]

P.S

And Congratulations to Vera!

Dave 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Peter Hart
Sent: 02 August 2007 11:52
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Hi Dave

If you would like to talk to my Nephew who is a Guru with Networks, I
can give you his phone no.  He has already agreed to talk to you.

Ring me on my Mobile before 2.30. or after 6.00pm. (Vera becomes a
British Citizen today)  07885 963 857

Cheers

Peter


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave Crozier
Sent: 02 August 2007 10:46
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Peter,
Thanks for your input. That is exactly my thinking on the problem but it
doesn't seem to work consistently. Initially I thought it was because I
hadn't rebooted the terminals when changing gateways etc., but this is
so
inconsistent I'm really confused. 

In my lay mans terms, what I'd really like to do is leave the clients so
they automatically are set up without having to manually set
gateways/DNS
and then set up the Server to route all the Internet requests through
itself
to the router. However (1) how do I do this easily - or the "best way"
and
(2) how do I set the server to relay any DNS requests out to the router
or
an external DNS, whichever is the best option. 

I read somewhere that you can set up the "Active Directory" so that DNS
values are loaded up onto the terminal from the Server i.e so you only
need
to set up the server once, but I can't find reference to it anywhere.

Even though this is only a small network I'd like to sort out the "best
practice" as I guess that I've fudged the issue in the past by always
using
the DHCP on the router, which I don't think is the correct way - even
though
it works.

As the owner of the network said, if the Router dies then all his
network
would die as it couldn't allocate IP addresses to the workstations,
whereas
if the Server runs DHCP then they would still be up and running. Also
maintenance would all be at one point in the network and I think he's
got a
valid point there.

As for DNS settings I'd prefer not to hard code into the server or
terminals
but use the DNS settings as uploaded automatically to the router by the
ISP
to keep it simple for maintenance i.e let the DNS first point be the
server,
which then passes the request to the router, which in turn passes it
onto
the ISP's DNS servers - if I can of course.

Dave Crozier

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Of Peter Cushing
Sent: 02 August 2007 10:05
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Dave Crozier wrote:
> To All,
> I'm setting up a small network with an ADSL Modem/Router (IP address
> 192.168.0.2), 1 x Win 2K Server (IP address 192.168.0.1) running
active
> Directory and a number of Win 2K clients, each client using DHCP from
the
> Server to get an IP address in the range 192.168.0.100 to
192.168.0.150. 
>
> In any previous networks I've always used the ROUTER to assign dynamic
IP
> addresses to the clients with the server still having a fixed address
with
> no problems whatsoever but I can't seem to work out the best/easiest
way
to
> configure the client machines with regards to Gateways/DNS Server etc
when
> using the Server as a DHCP source.
>
> Using my preferred method of DHCP on the router means that I can leave
the
> "obtain IP Address automatically" setting along with forgetting about
the
> Default Gateway and DNS Server settings on the clients but this
situation
is
> different and I'm just a little stumped at present.
>
> What would your suggestions be for settings of Gateway, DNS
> Primary/secondary on the server and workstations if I HAVE to use DHCP
on
> the server as opposed to on the router?
>
> I'm sure I'm being really stupid here in missing something out as the
DHCP
> from the server is fine in that I can see the whole network from the
> workstations but cannot see the Internet unless I put in a DNS setting
of
> 192.168.0.2 and/or a gateway of 192.168.0.2 which then seems to screw
up
the
> local networking. Even worse some workstations seem to work
intermittently
> with one of the previous Gateway/DNS settings.
>
>   
Hi Dave,

I'm no expert in this area (arse covered!), but there should not be any 
problem getting the network addresses from the server.  We do that now 
using W2K3 and used to use it with NT.  You can also set the server to 
be the DNS source but I think you need another piece of software to then

forward the requests to the router.  We used to use a program called 
VSOCKS which is basically a proxy server.  What you can also do for the 
DNS is to set them to the external setting recommeded by the ISP.  This 
is what I do at home with 4 machines.  They all have DNS or 
194.168.4.100 etc.   This works fine.
As for the default gateway, AFAIK that should always be the router.  
That is 

Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Andy Davies]

Dave, I know less about this than you do but isn't 192.168.1.n more usual -
and what subnet mask are you using?

My setup (which seems to work ) has the router on 192.168.1.1 subnet
mask 255.255.255.0
pool starts at 192.168.1.33 size 32  - servers etc. are assigned static
addresses in the 16-32 range
DNS set to 0.0.0.0 (which afaik tells it to pass requests to the default
gateway)
RIP enable in both directions

The router is set as DHCP server - I'm not sure why your client thinks it's
safer on the server - they're both just computers, and if the router fails
isn't your lan down anyway? (if not - e.g.if it still works as a switch,
then wouldn't things be OK until DHCP leases started running out?)

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Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Ted Roche]

On 8/2/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In my lay mans terms, what I'd really like to do is leave the clients so
> they automatically are set up without having to manually set gateways/DNS
> and then set up the Server to route all the Internet requests through itself
> to the router.

That's not at all an unreasonable request, and millions of networks
work that way. I'm afraid I can't provide you with step-by-step
instructions, but I have to think the right Google query should find
what you want.

> As the owner of the network said, if the Router dies then all his network
> would die as it couldn't allocate IP addresses to the workstations, whereas
> if the Server runs DHCP then they would still be up and running. Also
> maintenance would all be at one point in the network and I think he's got a
> valid point there.

What's more likely to fail? A $49 router with no moving parts that can
be rebooted in 15 seconds out of FlashRAM, or a $2000 Windows server
with moving parts, lowest-bidder components and _Windows_
forgodsakes!_ How many automatic updates and "Windows Genuine
Advantage" tests are you going to succeed with?

"Maintenance would all be at one point in the network" is referred to
by disaster recovery specialists as a "Single Point of Failure." Why
set yourself up for a SPOF?

A much better disaster recovery plan is to keep a spare $49 router
about, pre-configured and ready to drop-in.

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[Fox] Eli Journals makes it to Ed Foster's GripeLog

[Ted Roche]

http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2007/7/10/02724/7483

"I'm occasionally accused of focusing too much on the minor sins of
the technology giants instead of exposing more of the outright scams
perpetrated by lesser-known companies. And there might be something to
that criticism. But one reason I lean that way is that at least the
Microsofts and HPs have enough of a sense of shame that they will try
to fix some of the problems we air. That doesn't tend to be true of
the shadier outfits, such as the Eli Journals/New Hill Services
publishing operation."

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RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[mrgmhale]

I agree re: using a hardware router/firewall, and having a spare unit on
hand (preconfigured of course) ready to drop in if needed.  If you place the
router/firewall behind a decent battery backup to protect it against voltage
surges and lost power, it ought to last pretty much forever.  Seems the only
routers & firewalls I have seem taken out are the ones that are not fully
protected from electrical problems.  The rest of the issues are usally
related to (mis)configurations.

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Roche
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question
>
>
> On 8/2/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In my lay mans terms, what I'd really like to do is leave the clients so
> > they automatically are set up without having to manually set
> gateways/DNS
> > and then set up the Server to route all the Internet requests
> through itself
> > to the router.
>
> That's not at all an unreasonable request, and millions of networks
> work that way. I'm afraid I can't provide you with step-by-step
> instructions, but I have to think the right Google query should find
> what you want.
>
> > As the owner of the network said, if the Router dies then all
> his network
> > would die as it couldn't allocate IP addresses to the
> workstations, whereas
> > if the Server runs DHCP then they would still be up and running. Also
> > maintenance would all be at one point in the network and I
> think he's got a
> > valid point there.
>
> What's more likely to fail? A $49 router with no moving parts that can
> be rebooted in 15 seconds out of FlashRAM, or a $2000 Windows server
> with moving parts, lowest-bidder components and _Windows_
> forgodsakes!_ How many automatic updates and "Windows Genuine
> Advantage" tests are you going to succeed with?
>
> "Maintenance would all be at one point in the network" is referred to
> by disaster recovery specialists as a "Single Point of Failure." Why
> set yourself up for a SPOF?
>
> A much better disaster recovery plan is to keep a spare $49 router
> about, pre-configured and ready to drop-in.
>
> --
> Ted Roche
> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com
>
>
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RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Dave Crozier]

Thanks Ted,
Well I tend to agree with you about the SPOF which is one of the reasons I
have always used DNS off the router but I can't win this battle even though
it would make life easier for me!

I've Googled until I'm blue in the face but the biggest problem is "what do
you Google for" as any request about DND, DHCP Router and/or configuration
yields millions of answers, most of which are irrelevant. The nearest I've
got is from the www.WindowsNetworking.com website but the papers are only
rudimentary unfortunately.

The paper Peter sent to me has been very useful (mentioned in a previous
email) and at least confirmed what I SHOULD know at least about setting up
the server so that the DNS settings and relays are loaded onto the terminals
on login, hence requiring no modification of the Terminals. Thanks again
Peter. 

I guess that when I finally get my head around all this, a good idea would
be to write a small article on it as I'm sure that there are many people out
there who want to do the same thing as opposed to "bodging" the solution by
taking the easiest rout as I have in the past.

I know I should have taken those MCSE exams when I had the chance a couple
of years ago!

Dave Crozier

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ted Roche
Sent: 02 August 2007 13:44
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

On 8/2/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In my lay mans terms, what I'd really like to do is leave the clients so
> they automatically are set up without having to manually set gateways/DNS
> and then set up the Server to route all the Internet requests through
itself
> to the router.

That's not at all an unreasonable request, and millions of networks
work that way. I'm afraid I can't provide you with step-by-step
instructions, but I have to think the right Google query should find
what you want.

> As the owner of the network said, if the Router dies then all his network
> would die as it couldn't allocate IP addresses to the workstations,
whereas
> if the Server runs DHCP then they would still be up and running. Also
> maintenance would all be at one point in the network and I think he's got
a
> valid point there.

What's more likely to fail? A $49 router with no moving parts that can
be rebooted in 15 seconds out of FlashRAM, or a $2000 Windows server
with moving parts, lowest-bidder components and _Windows_
forgodsakes!_ How many automatic updates and "Windows Genuine
Advantage" tests are you going to succeed with?

"Maintenance would all be at one point in the network" is referred to
by disaster recovery specialists as a "Single Point of Failure." Why
set yourself up for a SPOF?

A much better disaster recovery plan is to keep a spare $49 router
about, pre-configured and ready to drop-in.

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RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Dave Crozier]

Andy,
The IP range 192.168.0 is just as good as 192.168.1 so there is no problem
there as they are both defined as public and the mask is 255.255.255.0 as I
won't have any more than 254 pc on the network.

With DHCP on the server, if the router fails then the network would continue
no problem as its only purpose is to act as an internet gateway. Oh, and it
is a Linksys ADSL router with a built in 4 port switch

Peter Cushng kindly sent me a document which answers some but not all of my
questions in that you can (as I thought) set up the server to pass on the
DNS relay details to the DHCP clients as they obtain an IP address, which
takes all the aggro out of manually configuring the clients. There are other
bits and bobs about setting up reverse DNS translations so you can get a
name from an IP address.

Anyway I'm at least a step closer to a solution.

Dave Crozier


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Andy Davies
Sent: 02 August 2007 13:19
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Dave, I know less about this than you do but isn't 192.168.1.n more usual -
and what subnet mask are you using?

My setup (which seems to work ) has the router on 192.168.1.1 subnet
mask 255.255.255.0
pool starts at 192.168.1.33 size 32  - servers etc. are assigned static
addresses in the 16-32 range
DNS set to 0.0.0.0 (which afaik tells it to pass requests to the default
gateway)
RIP enable in both directions

The router is set as DHCP server - I'm not sure why your client thinks it's
safer on the server - they're both just computers, and if the router fails
isn't your lan down anyway? (if not - e.g.if it still works as a switch,
then wouldn't things be OK until DHCP leases started running out?)

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RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Dave Crozier]

If anyone is interested I finally found what I wanted on the Microsoft site:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;825036&sd=RMVP

or 

http://tinyurl.com/2735xl

This explains to set up the Server to point to itself as the DNS and then to
use DNS Forwarding (I knew it existed somewhere) to point out to thed ADSL
Modem or external ISP DNS

I think I'll write this up.

Dave Crozier


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Sent: 02 August 2007 14:15
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

I agree re: using a hardware router/firewall, and having a spare unit on
hand (preconfigured of course) ready to drop in if needed.  If you place the
router/firewall behind a decent battery backup to protect it against voltage
surges and lost power, it ought to last pretty much forever.  Seems the only
routers & firewalls I have seem taken out are the ones that are not fully
protected from electrical problems.  The rest of the issues are usally
related to (mis)configurations.

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Roche
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question
>
>
> On 8/2/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In my lay mans terms, what I'd really like to do is leave the clients so
> > they automatically are set up without having to manually set
> gateways/DNS
> > and then set up the Server to route all the Internet requests
> through itself
> > to the router.
>
> That's not at all an unreasonable request, and millions of networks
> work that way. I'm afraid I can't provide you with step-by-step
> instructions, but I have to think the right Google query should find
> what you want.
>
> > As the owner of the network said, if the Router dies then all
> his network
> > would die as it couldn't allocate IP addresses to the
> workstations, whereas
> > if the Server runs DHCP then they would still be up and running. Also
> > maintenance would all be at one point in the network and I
> think he's got a
> > valid point there.
>
> What's more likely to fail? A $49 router with no moving parts that can
> be rebooted in 15 seconds out of FlashRAM, or a $2000 Windows server
> with moving parts, lowest-bidder components and _Windows_
> forgodsakes!_ How many automatic updates and "Windows Genuine
> Advantage" tests are you going to succeed with?
>
> "Maintenance would all be at one point in the network" is referred to
> by disaster recovery specialists as a "Single Point of Failure." Why
> set yourself up for a SPOF?
>
> A much better disaster recovery plan is to keep a spare $49 router
> about, pre-configured and ready to drop-in.
>
> --
> Ted Roche
> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com
>
>
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Add items to listbox problem

[James E Harvey]

I'm trying to allow users to add date to a listbox on the fly.  The data is
coming from textboxes on the form where the user enters data, and then
clicks an "Add" button.

This code is in the method for the click.

with thisform.hscntcode
.hslstprint.additem(.hstxtcode.value)
.hslstprint.list[1,2] = .hstxtdesc.value
.hslstprint.list[1,3] = transform(.hstxtamount.value)
Endwith


It works for the first item, but not subsequent items as the
".hslstprint.list[1,2]" is problematic.

Can't figure how to increment the "1" after .list which is what positions
the value in the listbox.


James E Harvey
Hanover Shoe Farms, Inc.
M.I.S./Corresponding Officer
Off: 717-637-8931
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Re: Add items to listbox problem

[Grigore Dolghin]

.hslstprint.additem(.hstxtcode.value,1,1)
.hslstprint.AddListItem(.hstxtdesc.value,1,2)
.hslstprint.AddListItem(transform(.hstxtamount.value),1,3)

where first number is the listindex (if you have 10 rows in combo, that 
number goes from 1 to 10) and second number is the "column" index (first, 
second and third).

Note the use of AddItem to add a new row in combo, and use of AddListItem() 
to add the subsequent values of the same row of the combo.

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: Add items to listbox problem


> I'm trying to allow users to add date to a listbox on the fly.  The data 
> is
> coming from textboxes on the form where the user enters data, and then
> clicks an "Add" button.
>
> This code is in the method for the click.
>
> with thisform.hscntcode
> .hslstprint.additem(.hstxtcode.value)
> .hslstprint.list[1,2] = .hstxtdesc.value
> .hslstprint.list[1,3] = transform(.hstxtamount.value)
> Endwith
>
>
> It works for the first item, but not subsequent items as the
> ".hslstprint.list[1,2]" is problematic.
>
> Can't figure how to increment the "1" after .list which is what positions
> the value in the listbox.
>
>
> James E Harvey
> Hanover Shoe Farms, Inc.
> M.I.S./Corresponding Officer
> Off: 717-637-8931
> fax: 717-637-6766
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:42, Chet Gardiner wrote:

> Ask them if they REALLY need A/C -- that's a HUGE energy hog.

Hi Chet!

Thanks for the link. Here in Sarasota Florida in the summer, when the unit 
would be needed, they would really need AC. People didn't even live here in 
any numbers until AC was available.

Many homes do not have heat, but all have AC. I have gone many winters without 
turning on the heat, but to try the summer without AC, why, you use as much 
electricity with all the fans you have running pointed right at you!

Too bad there is no propane AC.

If they do a grid inter-tie, do they have to carry their whole neighborhood on 
their solar/batteries if the grid goes down?
-- 
Regards,

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Re: Add items to listbox problem

[MB Software Solutions]

James E Harvey wrote:
> I'm trying to allow users to add date to a listbox on the fly.  The data is
> coming from textboxes on the form where the user enters data, and then
> clicks an "Add" button.
>
> This code is in the method for the click.
>
> with thisform.hscntcode
>   .hslstprint.additem(.hstxtcode.value)
>   .hslstprint.list[1,2] = .hstxtdesc.value
>   .hslstprint.list[1,3] = transform(.hstxtamount.value)
> Endwith
>
>
> It works for the first item, but not subsequent items as the
> ".hslstprint.list[1,2]" is problematic.
>
> Can't figure how to increment the "1" after .list which is what positions
> the value in the listbox.
>
>   

If I understand your question correctly, you need to check out the 
NewItemID property.  Here's a snippet of code that I use sometimes to 
populate dropdowns (which should work as well with a listbox iirc):

SELECT vluEstimators
SCAN
this.AddItem(vluEstimators.cFullName)
this.AddListItem(ALLTRIM(STR(vluEstimators.iid)),this.NewItemId,2)
ENDSCAN


-- 
Michael J. Babcock, MCP
MB Software Solutions, LLC
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[NF] Reading picture card

[Pete Theisen]

Hi Everybody!

I am using KDE on Gentoo. I inserted a picture storage card from my camera 
into the PCMCIA slot, using a Kodak carrier that came with the camera. I have 
no idea what to do from there. I have looked at everything on every menu and 
can't see them.  Can't even see anything that says PCMCIA. I know the PCMCIA 
is working because my network interface is in the other slot and I can go 
online normally.

I rebooted it on the odd chance, the boot messages see the pcmcia 
slots, "watching two slots" was the phrase used.

The last time I got pictures from this camera I took them to my friend's house 
and he burned a cd with them on, In Winders, natch, but it seems to me that 
the PCMCIA card should read them as well. Of course, I need to email the 
pictures somewhere right now.
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RE: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Rick Quilhot]

If you want to keep using vnc, change to ultravnc. It has file transfer.
The cost is $ 0.00.  You might need to do a port forwarding on your
firewall/router.
There is a java/browser option that's doesn't require any client software.  

Rick Quilhot
IT Administrator
J. America Retail Products
314 M.A.C. Avenue, Suite 100
East Lansing, MI 48823
517.333.2680 x 102 (phone)
517.333.2596 (fax)



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Subject: [NF] Server Remote Control

Hey! - -  -  -

I seek your wise counsel.

Background: We are headed out-of-town for a couple of weeks. I need  
to work.

Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
  - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
  - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
  - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files  
(if I log in from my laptop)

I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I  
am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real  
VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their  
Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how  
to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do  
this? (is is available on W2K Server?)

I am certainly willing to buy the version of Real VNC (or whatever)  
that allows me to do this, but before I do, I seek your wise counsel.

Ken


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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Kevin Cully]

I've been using LogMeIn with a client.  I get around the file transfer
problem by FTPing a file to my server and then downloading it to the
target machine via a browser run on that machine.  Two steps but the
price is right.

-Kevin
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Sponsor of FoxForward 2007
foxforward.net


Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
>   - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
>   - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
>   - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files  
> (if I log in from my laptop)




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RE: [NF] Reading picture card

[William Sanders / EFG]

Yo Yo Dr. T -

Call the manufacturer, check out their website for support.
Also check the hardware list with your distro of linux,
see if the driver is supported, and how (production vs beta).

Worst Case Scenario - you'll have to compile the source code for
that driver set on your laptop.

There are other scenarios, but you really didn't give much info for a
'free' support incident.

Regards [Bill]
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[NF] Server Remote Control

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

Hey! - -  -  -

I seek your wise counsel.

Background: We are headed out-of-town for a couple of weeks. I need  
to work.

Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
  - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
  - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
  - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files  
(if I log in from my laptop)

I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I  
am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real  
VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their  
Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how  
to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do  
this? (is is available on W2K Server?)

I am certainly willing to buy the version of Real VNC (or whatever)  
that allows me to do this, but before I do, I seek your wise counsel.

Ken


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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

[MB Software Solutions]

Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> Hey! - -  -  -
>
> I seek your wise counsel.
>
> Background: We are headed out-of-town for a couple of weeks. I need  
> to work.
>
> Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
>   - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
>   - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
>   - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files  
> (if I log in from my laptop)
>
> I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I  
> am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real  
> VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their  
> Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how  
> to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do  
> this? (is is available on W2K Server?)
>
> I am certainly willing to buy the version of Real VNC (or whatever)  
> that allows me to do this, but before I do, I seek your wise counsel.
>
> Ken
>
>
>   

First thought that comes to mind:  GotoMyPC.

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[NF] Electic Cars Redux

[Chet Gardiner]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118593442187584293.html?mod=todays_us_page_one

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RE: [NF] pageframes and refreshes

[John Harvey]

It seems simple enough, but I can't get it to work. I've got two page frames
in a page (upper and lower). When the first(upper) frame loads I want to
call a web connection method and show the results in target=main (lower
frame). I've got a meta refresh for the upper frame which is set for every
10 seconds, but I put the call in the body onload() and it isn't working. I
didn't want to have to go steal someones' javascript, if I could keep from
it. Has anyone got any ideas?

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RE: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Bill Arnold]

To setup UltraVNC with routers, I've found http://www.portforward.com/
indispensible. It's got a large inventory of specific router setups that
I used recently to get through a problem case (DSL modem which does some
router things, such as NAT, but isn't really a router)

A problem I have run into using VNC based products is they can conflict
with each other. Crossloop, case in point, changed VNC server options to
it's liking under the covers, which killed using UltraVNC until this was
discovered (hours later!).

On Crossloop, the current release supports file transfer, but for
whatever reason using it I was getting 5kps, i.e. a crawl, so I dropped
using it altogether in favor of UltraVNC.

I have to try the Java/browser option - that sounds intriguing for
giving demo's without having to install anything on client machines. 


Bill




> If you want to keep using vnc, change to ultravnc. It has 
> file transfer. The cost is $ 0.00.  You might need to do a 
> port forwarding on your firewall/router. There is a 
> java/browser option that's doesn't require any client software.  
> 
> Rick Quilhot
> IT Administrator
> J. America Retail Products
> 314 M.A.C. Avenue, Suite 100
> East Lansing, MI 48823
> 517.333.2680 x 102 (phone)
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RE: [NF] Sticking with Office 2003 is a better choice than Office 2007

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> Office 2007

> Right click on the Office icon in the upper left.
> 
Thanks, I didn't know about that one.  Using it already.

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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Chet Gardiner]

LogMeInFree

I transfer files via FTP through my website...  Can you do that?

Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> Hey! - -  -  -
>
> I seek your wise counsel.
>
> Background: We are headed out-of-town for a couple of weeks. I need  
> to work.
>
> Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
>   - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
>   - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
>   - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files  
> (if I log in from my laptop)
>
> I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I  
> am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real  
> VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their  
> Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how  
> to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do  
> this? (is is available on W2K Server?)
>
> I am certainly willing to buy the version of Real VNC (or whatever)  
> that allows me to do this, but before I do, I seek your wise counsel.
>
> Ken
>
>
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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Chet Gardiner]

Maybe the "free trial" will work and last long enough.

Other than that, LogMeInFree is cheaper...

MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
>   
>> Hey! - -  -  -
>>
>> I seek your wise counsel.
>>
>> Background: We are headed out-of-town for a couple of weeks. I need  
>> to work.
>>
>> Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
>>   - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
>>   - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
>>   - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files  
>> (if I log in from my laptop)
>>
>> I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I  
>> am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real  
>> VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their  
>> Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how  
>> to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do  
>> this? (is is available on W2K Server?)
>>
>> I am certainly willing to buy the version of Real VNC (or whatever)  
>> that allows me to do this, but before I do, I seek your wise counsel.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>
> First thought that comes to mind:  GotoMyPC.
>
>   


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RE: [NF] Server Remote Control

[mrgmhale]

Brother Ken,

Have I got a deal for you.  The free LogMeIn does not handle file transfer,
but I use the free version on all but 5 of my LogMeIn PCs (over 50 now).
The other 5 are for the Pro version of LogMeIn with file transfer.  The only
reason I got 5 Pro licenses was out of guilt in getting such an excellent
solution for free.  As for the lack of built in file transfer, I use my ftp
Server as a jump-off point.  It doubles the transfer time (what do you want
for free?), but has proven effective.  I hit the remote PC via LogMeIn, then
upload/load files to/from the Remote PC to my ftp Server. Then from my local
machine I hit the ftp Server and send/get what I need.

So, the deal...  Most ISPs have web space for members to use for their own
personal web site.  Usually 2Mg to 10Mg of space.   You can use that as your
own ftp Server, since that is how you would be uploading/downloading web
files anyway.  If you need more space than your ISP provides, send me an
eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I can set some space aside for you to use on
my ftp Server during your travels.


Ciao!

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [NF] Server Remote Control
>
>
> Hey! - -  -  -
>
> I seek your wise counsel.
>
> Background: We are headed out-of-town for a couple of weeks. I need
> to work.
>
> Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
>   - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
>   - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
>   - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files
> (if I log in from my laptop)
>
> I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I
> am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real
> VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their
> Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how
> to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do
> this? (is is available on W2K Server?)
>
> I am certainly willing to buy the version of Real VNC (or whatever)
> that allows me to do this, but before I do, I seek your wise counsel.
>
> Ken
>
>
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RE: [NF] Server Remote Control

[mrgmhale]

Yeah, like Kevin said ...

Gil

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Cully
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:15 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Server Remote Control
>
>
> I've been using LogMeIn with a client.  I get around the file transfer
> problem by FTPing a file to my server and then downloading it to the
> target machine via a browser run on that machine.  Two steps but the
> price is right.
>
> -Kevin
> CULLY Technologies, LLC
>
> Sponsor of FoxForward 2007
> foxforward.net
>
>
> Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> > Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
> >   - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
> >   - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
> >   - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files
> > (if I log in from my laptop)
>
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Richard Kaye]

Simplest is to buy a LogMeIn Pro license (or GoToMYPC but LMI is cheaper).

For free - UltraVNC. You need to forward port 5900 (TCP only) through 
your router. This port can be changed.

Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
>   - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
>   - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
>   - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files  
> (if I log in from my laptop)
>
> I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I  
> am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real  
> VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their  
> Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how  
> to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do  
> this? (is is available on W2K Server?

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RE: [OT] And the saga continues ...

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Pete,

> That sounds like a sweet deal for someone who wanted an 
> investment, or who 
> wanted to be neighbors to you and Steve. You ought to spread 
> the word on it.

We've talked to several folks about it already. They either have all their
funds tied up because of the condition of the real estate market, or they're
too cautious to risk any money on our project.

But we've been talking to approximately one investor per week for the last
few weeks. There's no guarantee we'll find the right investor in the time
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RE: Add items to listbox problem

[James E Harvey]

Thanks Michael, this works now

with thisform.hscntcode
.hslstprint.additem(.hstxtcode.value)

.hslstprint.addlistitem(.hstxtdesc.value,thisform.hscntcode.hslstprint.newit
emid ,2)

.hslstprint.addlistitem(transform(.hstxtamount.value),thisform.hscntcode.hsl
stprint.newitemid ,3)
endwith

James E Harvey
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M.I.S./Corresponding Officer
Off: 717-637-8931
fax: 717-637-6766
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To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Add items to listbox problem

James E Harvey wrote:
> I'm trying to allow users to add date to a listbox on the fly.  The data
is
> coming from textboxes on the form where the user enters data, and then
> clicks an "Add" button.
>
> This code is in the method for the click.
>
> with thisform.hscntcode
>   .hslstprint.additem(.hstxtcode.value)
>   .hslstprint.list[1,2] = .hstxtdesc.value
>   .hslstprint.list[1,3] = transform(.hstxtamount.value)
> Endwith
>
>
> It works for the first item, but not subsequent items as the
> ".hslstprint.list[1,2]" is problematic.
>
> Can't figure how to increment the "1" after .list which is what positions
> the value in the listbox.
>
>   

If I understand your question correctly, you need to check out the 
NewItemID property.  Here's a snippet of code that I use sometimes to 
populate dropdowns (which should work as well with a listbox iirc):

SELECT vluEstimators
SCAN
this.AddItem(vluEstimators.cFullName)
this.AddListItem(ALLTRIM(STR(vluEstimators.iid)),this.NewItemId,2)
ENDSCAN


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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Bill Anderson]

mrgmhale wrote:
> So, the deal...  Most ISPs have web space for members to use for their own
> personal web site.  Usually 2Mg to 10Mg of space.   You can use that as your
> own ftp Server, since that is how you would be uploading/downloading web
> files anyway.  If you need more space than your ISP provides, send me an
> eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I can set some space aside for you to use on
> my ftp Server during your travels.
(Regarding FTP) -- Another idea I've used -- use FireFox, a GMail 
account, and the GSpace (GMail Space) add on.

That'll allow you up to 14 MB file uploads, over 2GB total, all for free...

Bill



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RE: [NF] Server Remote Control

[mrgmhale]

> That'll allow you up to 14 MB file uploads, over 2GB total, all
> for free...
>

Excellent!

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 3:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Server Remote Control
>
>
> mrgmhale wrote:
> > So, the deal...  Most ISPs have web space for members to use
> for their own
> > personal web site.  Usually 2Mg to 10Mg of space.   You can use
> that as your
> > own ftp Server, since that is how you would be uploading/downloading web
> > files anyway.  If you need more space than your ISP provides, send me an
> > eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I can set some space aside for
> you to use on
> > my ftp Server during your travels.
> (Regarding FTP) -- Another idea I've used -- use FireFox, a GMail
> account, and the GSpace (GMail Space) add on.
>
> That'll allow you up to 14 MB file uploads, over 2GB total, all
> for free...
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh]

Thanks to all - -- - (so far) ===


I think I'll try the UltraVNC thing with port forwarding on my router  
first.

The FTP thing is a good idea, except that -- for some reason -- I can  
not get IIS to start the FTP server. Every time I tell IIS to start  
it, it times out. Might be somebody can tell me why that would be the  
case?

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Re: Add items to listbox problem

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James E Harvey wrote:
> Thanks Michael, this works now
>
> with thisform.hscntcode
>   .hslstprint.additem(.hstxtcode.value)
>   
> .hslstprint.addlistitem(.hstxtdesc.value,thisform.hscntcode.hslstprint.newit
> emid ,2)
>   
> .hslstprint.addlistitem(transform(.hstxtamount.value),thisform.hscntcode.hsl
> stprint.newitemid ,3)
> endwith
>
>   
Great!  Don't forget that since you've got the WITH thisform.hscntcode 
block defined, you don't have to list that specifically in the 2nd parm!

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RE: [NF] Server Remote Control

[mrgmhale]

Take a look at the free ftp Server from Rhinosoft, at
http://www.rhinosoft.com/

I use their Professional version, but know one person using the free
version.  Works well.  If you have a dynamic IP from your ISP you may need
to subscribe to a service that keeps track of any changes for you.  Some of
these services offer a free package, with limitations, but the price is
right.  I pay $20/year for a premium service that resolves my Dynamic WAN IP
with my gilhale.dnsalias.com domain (www.dyndns.com).

Good luck!


Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Server Remote Control
>
>
> Thanks to all - -- - (so far) ===
>
>
> I think I'll try the UltraVNC thing with port forwarding on my router
> first.
>
> The FTP thing is a good idea, except that -- for some reason -- I can
> not get IIS to start the FTP server. Every time I tell IIS to start
> it, it times out. Might be somebody can tell me why that would be the
> case?
>
> Ken
>
>
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RE: [NF] Server Remote Control

[mrgmhale]

http://www.serv-u.com/versions.asp for Serv-U versions.  Personal version is
free.

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Server Remote Control
>
>
> Thanks to all - -- - (so far) ===
>
>
> I think I'll try the UltraVNC thing with port forwarding on my router
> first.
>
> The FTP thing is a good idea, except that -- for some reason -- I can
> not get IIS to start the FTP server. Every time I tell IIS to start
> it, it times out. Might be somebody can tell me why that would be the
> case?
>
> Ken
>
>
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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

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mrgmhale wrote:
>> That'll allow you up to 14 MB file uploads, over 2GB total, all
>> for free...
>>
>> 
>
> Excellent!
>
> Gil


Bill


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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Chet Gardiner]

"GoToMYPC but LMI is cheaper"

And more worthy of our support...

GoToMyPC got on my wrong side with their bait and switch a couple years 
back...



Richard Kaye wrote:
> Simplest is to buy a LogMeIn Pro license (or GoToMYPC but LMI is cheaper).
>
> For free - UltraVNC. You need to forward port 5900 (TCP only) through 
> your router. This port can be changed.
>
> Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
>   
>> Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
>>   - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
>>   - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
>>   - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files  
>> (if I log in from my laptop)
>>
>> I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I  
>> am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real  
>> VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their  
>> Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how  
>> to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do  
>> this? (is is available on W2K Server?
>> 
>
>   


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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Chet Gardiner]

Right, I forgot about FL humiditity...  We don't have that here except 
during Monsoon...and even that hasn't been enough to get us to turn on 
the A/C yet...

If they do a grid inter-tie and battery, they don't have to share the 
batteries with the neighborhood.  They would have to pay more for the 
inverter though.  The switch-hitters that allow inter-tie and battery 
are more expensive than the inter-tie only inverters...

I just asked my solar guy which inverters our local power company will 
subsidize and he sent me these links:

"For the battery backup, the inverter currently approved by TEP is the 
SMA Sunny Island. Information at 
http://www.sma-america.com/solar-technology/products/island-grids/battery-inverters/index.html.
 


The advantage of this inverter is that it normally acts as a grid-tie 
inverter, and switches to batteries only when needed.  

There are a couple of other inverters that may soon qualify for use with 
TEP,
The OutBack inverters http://www.outbackpower.com/grid_interactive.htm, 
and the
Xantrex XW http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/246/p/1/pt/25/product.asp.

Using one of these inverters is really the best way to go with a battery 
backup/gridtie system. It becomes kind of a pain to set up charge 
controllers and transfer switches, since battery voltages are typically 
48 volts max, and gridtie array voltages are 300-600."


(TEP = Tucson Electric Power)

FYI, he's recommending the BP SX170 panels (12-20 of them) mounted on 
the roof at an angle to get the best sun...

http://www.bp.com/extendedgenericarticle.do?categoryId=3050530&contentId=3060138


Cheers;



Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:42, Chet Gardiner wrote:
> 
>   
>> Ask them if they REALLY need A/C -- that's a HUGE energy hog.
>> 
>
> Hi Chet!
>
> Thanks for the link. Here in Sarasota Florida in the summer, when the unit 
> would be needed, they would really need AC. People didn't even live here in 
> any numbers until AC was available.
>
> Many homes do not have heat, but all have AC. I have gone many winters 
> without 
> turning on the heat, but to try the summer without AC, why, you use as much 
> electricity with all the fans you have running pointed right at you!
>
> Too bad there is no propane AC.
>
> If they do a grid inter-tie, do they have to carry their whole neighborhood 
> on 
> their solar/batteries if the grid goes down?
>   


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Re: [NF] -- Life After dBase

[Chet Gardiner]

Wow.  Mr Vulcan his-self...

Nice to know he's still around...

Bill Anderson wrote:
> Interview with Wayne Ratliff...
>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] -- Life After dBase

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Chet Gardiner wrote:
> Wow.  Mr Vulcan his-self...
>
> Nice to know he's still around...
>
> Bill Anderson wrote:
>   
>> Interview with Wayne Ratliff...
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
 From the article:

I have to tell you the guys that designed Access and Emerald Bay (a
client/server database Ratliff wrote in 1988) were either reading
the same book or one followed from the other. There are an awful lot
of things in Access that, while they weren't big inventions, I
thought I was the first one to espouse the desirability for them. I
don't want to accuse anybody of anything, but it was striking to me.

lol!  And who ever said that M$ never innovates.  

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[NF] Nothing is Trivial!

[MB Software Solutions]

Courtesy of Carl/VFUG.  How true it is!!!

 Original Message 

 >From the VFUG.Org List Server:

Nothing is Trivial! - Rick Strahl's Web Log:
http://www.west-wind.com/WebLog/posts/126933.aspx


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RE: [NF] Server Remote Control

[mrgmhale]

> GoToMyPC got on my wrong side with their bait and switch a couple years
> back...

Folks at LogMeIn.com never tried to bait-n-switch me out.  I even called to
see if I could pay a "guilt fee".  They said no fee for free version, just
remember them for anything more punchy needed.  Within a few weeks I
licensed 5 Pro licenses to help me get over the guilt ...  Very nice
folks I have spoken with out there.

Gil

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chet Gardiner
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] Server Remote Control
>
>
> "GoToMYPC but LMI is cheaper"
>
> And more worthy of our support...
>
> GoToMyPC got on my wrong side with their bait and switch a couple years
> back...
>
>
>
> Richard Kaye wrote:
> > Simplest is to buy a LogMeIn Pro license (or GoToMYPC but LMI
> is cheaper).
> >
> > For free - UltraVNC. You need to forward port 5900 (TCP only) through
> > your router. This port can be changed.
> >
> > Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
> >
> >> Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
> >>   - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
> >>   - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
> >>   - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files
> >> (if I log in from my laptop)
> >>
> >> I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I
> >> am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real
> >> VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their
> >> Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how
> >> to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do
> >> this? (is is available on W2K Server?
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Pet peeve with debugging a PRG

[MB Software Solutions]

Getting "An IF | ELSE | ENDIF statement is missing."   ...but of course 
it's not showing me where.  This PRG is the main data access prg that's 
got bazillion lines in it.  GR!

My temporary sanity saver is just to comment out the procedures 2/3 at a 
time where I've been working to fix this. 

Now I understand where that prof was coming from when he said to keep 
procedures to one page tall instead of spanning several pages.  

;-)

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Re: [NF] Nothing is Trivial!

[Chet Gardiner]

If I have the complete development environment, sample databases and am 
reasonably up on the application, NOTHING takes less than 4 hours...  
Trivial takes 4 hours MINIMUM...  I NEVER quote less than 4 hours...  I 
may charge less but I NEVER quote less...


MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Courtesy of Carl/VFUG.  How true it is!!!
>
>  Original Message 
>
>  >From the VFUG.Org List Server:
>
> Nothing is Trivial! - Rick Strahl's Web Log:
> http://www.west-wind.com/WebLog/posts/126933.aspx
>
>
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Re: Pet peeve with debugging a PRG

[Chet Gardiner]

PrettyPrint???

MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Getting "An IF | ELSE | ENDIF statement is missing."   ...but of course 
> it's not showing me where.  This PRG is the main data access prg that's 
> got bazillion lines in it.  GR!
>
> My temporary sanity saver is just to comment out the procedures 2/3 at a 
> time where I've been working to fix this. 
>
> Now I understand where that prof was coming from when he said to keep 
> procedures to one page tall instead of spanning several pages.  
>
> ;-)
>
>   


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Re: [NF] -- Life After dBase

[Chet Gardiner]

Thanks, Bill

That was fun!

Bill Anderson wrote:
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>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Chet Gardiner]

That's what I meant.

GoToPC ran the bait and switch...

LogMeIn is great!

mrgmhale wrote:
>> GoToMyPC got on my wrong side with their bait and switch a couple years
>> back...
>> 
>
> Folks at LogMeIn.com never tried to bait-n-switch me out.  I even called to
> see if I could pay a "guilt fee".  They said no fee for free version, just
> remember them for anything more punchy needed.  Within a few weeks I
> licensed 5 Pro licenses to help me get over the guilt ...  Very nice
> folks I have spoken with out there.
>
> Gil
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chet Gardiner
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:25 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [NF] Server Remote Control
>>
>>
>> "GoToMYPC but LMI is cheaper"
>>
>> And more worthy of our support...
>>
>> GoToMyPC got on my wrong side with their bait and switch a couple years
>> back...
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Kaye wrote:
>> 
>>> Simplest is to buy a LogMeIn Pro license (or GoToMYPC but LMI
>>>   
>> is cheaper).
>> 
>>> For free - UltraVNC. You need to forward port 5900 (TCP only) through
>>> your router. This port can be changed.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
   - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
   - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
   - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files
 (if I log in from my laptop)

 I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I
 am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real
 VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their
 Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how
 to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do
 this? (is is available on W2K Server?

 
>>>   
>> 
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RE: [NF] I want it all on my laptop

[Michael Madigan]

RAID greatly increases performance, but you're right,
it isn't a substitute for daily backups


--- mrgmhale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> RAID only provides "reliability" against data loss
> due to a single HDD
> failure, and at times boosts performance.  It is not
> meant to be a
> substitute for good file backup and disk imaging
> processes.  If it were me,
> I would invest forst in good file backup and imaging
> technologies, then
> start to look at RAID solutions where reliability is
> important.
> 
> Gil
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Michael Madigan
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:39 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [NF] I want it all on my laptop
> >
> >
> > I wish I had the money.  I do all my development
> on a
> > laptop with no RAID protection.  It never occurred
> to
> > me when I bought this one, and would surely speed
> up
> > hard disk performance substantially.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- MB Software Solutions
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > >
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>

> > > >
> > > >
> > > Too rich for my blood.
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> > >
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> > > Michael J. Babcock, MCP
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Re: [NF] Nothing is Trivial!

[Michael Madigan]

I kind of tell them, "If it's so easy, why are you
calling me?"


--- Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If I have the complete development environment,
> sample databases and am 
> reasonably up on the application, NOTHING takes less
> than 4 hours...  
> Trivial takes 4 hours MINIMUM...  I NEVER quote less
> than 4 hours...  I 
> may charge less but I NEVER quote less...
> 
> 
> MB Software Solutions wrote:
> > Courtesy of Carl/VFUG.  How true it is!!!
> >
> >  Original Message 
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> >  >From the VFUG.Org List Server:
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> > Nothing is Trivial! - Rick Strahl's Web Log:
> > http://www.west-wind.com/WebLog/posts/126933.aspx
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Is SCATTER slower than just assigning/using variables?

[MB Software Solutions]

(VFP9SP1)

I've got a "slow" process that I'm trying to speed up.  There are 
several SCATTERs.  I admit that I've not yet run the eventtracking and 
coverage profiler over these areas but wanted to throw this question out 
in the meanwhile:  is SCATTER something that's usually slow?  Perhaps if 
I only wanted a few properties out of a cursor record, I'd be better to 
just assign them to variables instead of using the easy SCATTER method?

tia,
--Michael

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Re: Is SCATTER slower than just assigning/using variables?

[Chet Gardiner]

Event Tracking is very cool for finding bottlenecks.

I seem to remember scatter being slower than assigning to 
variables...but I could be wrong.  I haven't used it much lately...

MB Software Solutions wrote:
> (VFP9SP1)
>
> I've got a "slow" process that I'm trying to speed up.  There are 
> several SCATTERs.  I admit that I've not yet run the eventtracking and 
> coverage profiler over these areas but wanted to throw this question out 
> in the meanwhile:  is SCATTER something that's usually slow?  Perhaps if 
> I only wanted a few properties out of a cursor record, I'd be better to 
> just assign them to variables instead of using the easy SCATTER method?
>
> tia,
> --Michael
>
>   


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RE: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

[Adam Buckland]

I find it better to avoid entirely the 192.168.1.n subnet using 192.168.2.n for 
the simple reason that most kit comes standard with either 192.168.1.n or 
192.168.0.n as the default IP range.

By not using those subnets when some little "Oik" invariably comes up to me and 
asks why their home laptop, games machine, etc won't work on our network I have 
an easy target to hit and an easy way to keep the Zen calm that is my work 
network.

I also have a scanner that scans the 0.n and 1.n and 2.n subnets a few times a 
day and will report any devices that aren't in my database just in case someone 
has worked out how to set an IP address.

I employ some "low level" people and I value my data and my network.

::adam

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Subject: Re: [NF] Win 2K Networking Question

Dave, I know less about this than you do but isn't 192.168.1.n more usual -
and what subnet mask are you using?

My setup (which seems to work ) has the router on 192.168.1.1 subnet
mask 255.255.255.0
pool starts at 192.168.1.33 size 32  - servers etc. are assigned static
addresses in the 16-32 range
DNS set to 0.0.0.0 (which afaik tells it to pass requests to the default
gateway)
RIP enable in both directions

The router is set as DHCP server - I'm not sure why your client thinks it's
safer on the server - they're both just computers, and if the router fails
isn't your lan down anyway? (if not - e.g.if it still works as a switch,
then wouldn't things be OK until DHCP leases started running out?)

Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP
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Re: [NF] Server Remote Control

[Seng Hock Yap]

hi,

i use both crossloop and logmein free for Remote Control

for file transfer, i use skype and HTTP File Server from
http://www.rejetto.com/hfs/

Yap


On 8/3/07, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Hey! - -  -  -
>
> I seek your wise counsel.
>
> Background: We are headed out-of-town for a couple of weeks. I need
> to work.
>
> Question: What is the *simplest* way to:
> - Control only one PC, a W2K server behind a router
> - Do it from multiple machines (in hotels, etc.)
> - (This seems to be the kicker): Have the ability to transfer files
> (if I log in from my laptop)
>
> I know we have had discussions of this before. From the archives, I
> am checking out "Crossloop" and "LogMeIn." I am currently using "Real
> VNC" to control computers within my network, but (looking at their
> Web site) I can't transfer files (and I am reading to figure out how
> to get through my router). Will Windows "Remote Desktop" let me do
> this? (is is available on W2K Server?)
>
> I am certainly willing to buy the version of Real VNC (or whatever)
> that allows me to do this, but before I do, I seek your wise counsel.
>
> Ken
>
>
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