Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread AndyHC

You can always root 'em.

  AndyD  8-)#

On 07/11/2012 21:15, Allen wrote:

snip. So, many cheapies will come with an o/s and
probably will never get updates.

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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Allen
While I agree that is a possible way out, I think many android devices adapt
android so it may not work. In the case of my cheap android device, which I
don't really use, it may be an option. I'm not sure about the galaxy S1
though as it could make it a brick. From what I read on the galaxy S1, there
are ports but do not have all the facilities.
Al

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You can always root 'em.

   AndyD  8-)#


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Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Paul Hill
Al,

CyanogenMod supports a fair few devices:
http://www.cyanogenmod.org/devices

I have a cheap Android device (ZTE Blade) and CyanogenMod improved it no
end.

On 8 November 2012 08:44, Allen pro...@gatwicksoftware.com wrote:

 While I agree that is a possible way out, I think many android devices
 adapt
 android so it may not work. In the case of my cheap android device, which I
 don't really use, it may be an option. I'm not sure about the galaxy S1
 though as it could make it a brick. From what I read on the galaxy S1,
 there
 are ports but do not have all the facilities.
 Al

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: 08 November 2012 09:12
 To: profoxt...@leafe.com
 Subject: Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

 You can always root 'em.

AndyD  8-)#



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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Dave Crozier
My new Galaxy S3 phone is just unbelievable and far, far betters the iPhone I 
changed it for (I've gon to the dark side). The apps available have improved 
out of all recognition since I bought my first Frodo 2.3 Android tablet and now 
I have everything on the S3 that I had on the iPhone but at no cost. Updates 
are totally seemless and even though I have had the phone only 3 weeks the 
changes in appearance and functionality to the O/S (all good I may say) have 
made the experience even better.

In addition to that the damned buttons on the scree are BIG which siuts me now 
I'm on the verge of becoming a 60 year old OLD FART!

I had the choice of updating from the 3Gs iPhone to the 5 but there was just no 
difference at all apart from speed. As for data allowance, well on the iPhone 
it was only 750Mb which was crap and on the S3 it is totally unlimited and the 
contract is half the cost of what the iPhone was and I can tether my 
laptop/iPad to the S3 and not have to worry about data usage.

To my mind, Android is moving on at a rate that Apple simply cannot compete 
with... oh and the Google voice app isn't a novelty on n the S3 like Siri is on 
the iPhone, it works and I use it all the time, especially when mobile. Top 
Banana!

Dave


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Sent: 08 November 2012 08:44
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

While I agree that is a possible way out, I think many android devices adapt 
android so it may not work. In the case of my cheap android device, which I 
don't really use, it may be an option. I'm not sure about the galaxy S1 though 
as it could make it a brick. From what I read on the galaxy S1, there are ports 
but do not have all the facilities.
Al

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Sent: 08 November 2012 09:12
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You can always root 'em.

   AndyD  8-)#


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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks! - Bayesian Filter detected spam

2012-11-08 Thread Michael Madigan
I think you're drinking too much kangaroo semen




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Nah... we thought we'd invite GWB so he can send our buoyant economy into
recession. What you think?

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On 11/07/2012 07:12 AM, geoff wrote:
 Ive listened to four years of the nut-jobs blaming Obama for the stock 
 market dive - before he was elected - and Pete practically accuses him 
 of boiling babies for fuel for his jet.

Hi Geoff,

Do I? The archives are open to all, please track down that post where I
practically accused him of boiling babies for fuel for his jet, and cite
it.

In four years Australia can invite him to come over with forged Oz
citizenship and be their president for 8 years, running up say, 20 trillion
AU in the process, doubling the price of energy, spiking the unemployment
statistics and bowing to Muslim kings on their behalf.

If that is all such a good deal for us it must have the potential of being
great for you as well.
--
Regards,

Pete
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http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread Michael Madigan
His head is stuck in his ass too



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Your R key is stuck. 


Michael Oke, II
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On Nov 7, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Ricardo Aráoz ricar...@gmail.com wrote:

 El 07/11/12 15:37, Michael Oke, II escribió:
 The word is lose. But no I didn't lose as I wasn't running for election. 
 Back to your bottle.
 
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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Allen
Phone wise and app wise I am happy with the S1 I have. It's down to poor
support from Samsung that I have my problems with them. I know many have
problems with iphonies, but my main gripe with apple is the purposeful
exclusion of all other devices from Bluetooth, well as far as the ipad goes.
I hate the total control they exercise over what you pay good money for. But
who does have good support for android. Google come out with new code every
nine months I believe, yet Samsung lives in the past. In fact they only just
issuing ice cream for the S2, and android's on jelly bean. Poor I think.
Google's android may be moving at a rate of knots but the phone people seem
not to be keeping up. BTW I use Google search voice on the S1 and its better
than the version they just pit in Win 8.
Al

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Sent: 08 November 2012 11:11
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

My new Galaxy S3 phone is just unbelievable and far, far betters the iPhone
I changed it for (I've gon to the dark side). The apps available have
improved out of all recognition since I bought my first Frodo 2.3 Android
tablet and now I have everything on the S3 that I had on the iPhone but at
no cost. Updates are totally seemless and even though I have had the phone
only 3 weeks the changes in appearance and functionality to the O/S (all
good I may say) have made the experience even better.




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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread John Weller
To be fair, I have had a number of cheap laser printers from Samsung over
the years and never had any problems.  I have a Samsung monitor I bought
about 6 months ago which appeared to have a fault, the display needed
adjusting.  I couldn't fix it as there were no adjustment controls; when I
contacted Samsung they wanted me to send it back but agreed to give me a
returns number so I took it back to PC World who replaced it.  The
replacement had an identical problem which the manager and I spent 30
minutes trying to fix until one of his assistants managed to use the only
control, the power switch, to call up a menu and adjust it - basically very
poor design.  Apart from that though it is an excellent monitor.

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


 A little story about Samsung.
 Some years ago when the old CRT monitors were around, I had one were the
 signal cable was faulty when I tested it out of the box.  I spoke to their
 technical and found out that they would send a replacement but it would be
 a refurbished unit.  This was not good enough so I got them to send me a
 new signal cable, Supplied my client with a mew monitor of a different
make,
 sold the Samsung cheap after explaining what had happened and decided
 never to sell another Samsung product.  Which was a good thing as all the
 Samsung CD and DVD drives stared to fail after about 18 months.
 Earlier this year I was persuaded to try their laptops and was initially
very
 pleased with them.
 However a couple of months ago a new Laptop arrived and the first problem
 was It wouldn't see the Office 2010 DVD. I took out the DVD writer and
 reinserted it and it worked just long enough to get Office installed. When
I
 opened a new document I was surprised to see a thunder fly ( a very small
 insect that we get in the millions in rural UK when the corn is being cut)
 Crawling up inside the screen.  When I rang Samsung, I was informed that
 they weren't considered as a warranty problem and that I would have to put
 up with it. The fact that the CD/DVD drive was working again they as much
as
 said I was lying.  I sent it back to my supplier and I am still awaiting a
credit.
 Never Never will I sell another Samsung product and even though I like my
 Daughters Samsung Galaxy I will not be upgrading to one of those.
 
 Cheers
 
 Peter
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen
 Sent: 07 November 2012 21:15
 To: profox@leafe.com
 Subject: RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.
 
 I this capacitive is more sensitive. I have a resistive android tablet and
it's a
 dog. One thing I have found with android devices is the lack of willing to
 update the o/s. So, many cheapies will come with an o/s and probably will
 never get updates. Some phone makers like Samsung are terrible and treat 6
 month old 400+ quid phones as old. So don't buy Samsung as the chances are
 they will stay put and never updated. That's one thing, despite the hate
of
 apple, I will give them, My ipad 2 got ios6 and updates. Might be more
 control I know but updates none the less.
 Anyway, might be best to do some reading to find out who actually keeps up
 to date with older machine and supports them.
 Al
 
 -Original Message-
 
 
 I was just browsing around on Amazon - and I see there is a BUNCH of
 different versions of their Tablets. At this point - since it would be
more of a
 Toy - I was just considering the 7 ones. Is that the ones you sell?
 
 Some of them has what they call a Capacitive Multi-Touch - another is
 referred to as a Internet Touchscreen Tablet - MID7012-4G, and still
 another model claims to be a Resistive Touchscreen, Black MID7034-4.
 I'm not sure what the differences are. So - any further input would be
much
 appreciated!
 
 
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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread John Weller
I'm intrigued, there is obviously a story there that I'm not aware of :-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


 
 That's what Ashton-Tate said ;)
 


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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Allen
I have a large Samsung TV. One of those 3D led ones. It's great, but I don't
need support on that. It works and doesn't use android, as far as I know, so
does not require updates. Blue ray DVD on the other hand fails as there is
no way to multi zone. So Samsung, along with Sony, lose my vote for DVD
players. Panasonic on the other hand, I could multi zone.
My cheap Samsung laser printer just stopped working, over the guarantee
period but little used. So no to that either.
Al

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Sent: 08 November 2012 12:04
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

To be fair, I have had a number of cheap laser printers from Samsung over
the years and never had any problems.  I have a Samsung monitor I bought
about 6 months ago which appeared to have a fault, the display needed
adjusting.  I couldn't fix it as there were no adjustment controls; when I
contacted Samsung they wanted me to send it back but agreed to give me a
returns number so I took it back to PC World who replaced it.  The
replacement had an identical problem which the manager and I spent 30
minutes trying to fix until one of his assistants managed to use the only
control, the power switch, to call up a menu and adjust it - basically very
poor design.  Apart from that though it is an excellent monitor.



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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Allen
Yup, jack of all trade master of none. Not support that's for sure
Al

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I have a Samsung fridge/freezer.  Very nice.  They make everything!


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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Profox
It's not the reliability I have problems with I get problems with other
manufacture's it's the after sales service when you are unfortunate for it
to go wrong.
I sell these things to a small group of clients who rely on my service.  If
any go wrong the buck stops here and it's me who pays the bill.  Most of my
clients pay a monthly fee and labour and components are free.
I therefore steer away from products that could get me a bad name.  E.G.
Western digital hard drives,  never sold one but change at least three a
month and last month for example I had two that my very expensive hard disk
recovery software couldn't recover.  This has never happened with any other
hard disk manufacturer.  Hence I would never purchase for a client a WD
drive.  Most of the failures recently are on WD USB backup drives so buying
one defeats the object.

Cheers

Peter


Please can we get back to my original question

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Sent: 08 November 2012 11:56
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

hmmm...

I have
a. 2 Samsung tvs
b. 2 Samsung monitors
c. 1 Samsung phone (Galaxy S)
d. 1 Samsung fridge
e. 1 Samsung Washing machine

I rest my case.

A+
jml

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Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread AndyHC
Couldn't afford a Galaxy - got an Acer Liquid Duo - I'm still on a 
learning curve with Android+touch-screen but it seems fine.


  AndyD  8-)#

On 08/11/2012 11:08, John Weller wrote:

Interested to hear that as I intend to change my iPhone for a Galaxy as soon
as the contract runs out - unfortunately it still has 15 months to run :-(

John Weller
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My new Galaxy S3 phone is just unbelievable and far, far betters the

iPhone I

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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Dave Crozier
That should have read 5000 texts

Oops, we seem to have thread drift here for which I apologise!

Dave

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Index and DBF corruption in SMB2 environments.

2012-11-08 Thread Alan Bourke
I turned up this Microsoft Article a while back:

Data corruption when one user on a computer that is running Windows 7
or Windows Server 2008 R2 updates a shared file that is open on multiple
computers by using SMB Version 2
Article ID: 2618096

It gives details on obtaining supported hotfixes for Windows 7, Vista
and Windows Server 2008 to address this. These hotfixes are not included
in any current service packs, nor are they installed via Windows Update,
as far as I know. I would imagine the next Service Packs for the OS's in
question will include the fix. 

It *appears* to have largely sorted a persistent index corruption issue
on one site for us.

Article 2028965 may also be of interest.



-- 
  Alan Bourke
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Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Tracy Pearson
Paul Hill paulroberth...@gmail.com wrote:

Not sure if root access is required.

Root access is not required. I use Irssi ConnectBot on my Android phone. To 
make system configuration changes root access is required.  

-- 
Tracy

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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Kurt Wendt
Hey Peter - Sorry to see everyone is going way off topic. But, of
course, Tech company bashing (like what people are doing here with
Samsung) - is always fun (unless - of course - U R on the receiving
end!).

So - did you look into either of the options below as suggested by
Kevin? Option #1 sounds like it would be interesting - as a relatively
easy transition from VFP. Although, Option #2 sounds enticing - since it
doesn't require programming (which, I'm assuming - means its NOT a steep
learning curve) - plus it makes native Android Apps!

-K-

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin Cully
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:06 AM

For an Android targeted platform, I'd recommend either 

[1] Real Studio 
Web Edition which allows for building web applications as if you are 
developing a VFP desktop application 
http://www.realsoftware.com/web/

Or 

[2] Illumination Software Creator which allows for building a 
native Android application using a non-programming paradigm:
http://lunduke.com/?page_id=3454



On 11/07/2012 09:36 AM, Profox wrote:
 One is a Coby and the
 other is a GoTab
 Both are android an d the operating system version is  Android 4 Ice
Cream
 Sandwich...

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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Bob Lee
An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a
tablet.. 

Bob Lee  


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Subject: Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

On 8 November 2012 13:48, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:21 PM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I am ignorant of Linux-based tablets... can they run (or have 
  installed) PHP?
 

 I'm pretty sure I saw earlier in this thread that these are Android 
 tablets, which would mean they have a heavily-modified Linux kernel at 
 their core, but not the GNU/Linux tool set nor a lot of the other
features.


It's a regular Linux kernel.  Tweaked for low-power usage.

A lot of the GNU/Linux commands you're familiar with will work.
You can ssh into an Android device and get a shell (even Bash).

Commands like ls, tar, cp, mv etc all work.

Not sure if root access is required.

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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Allen
Not without internet access it wont
Al

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An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a
tablet.. 

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Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Vincent Teachout

Paul Hill wrote:


It's a regular Linux kernel.  Tweaked for low-power usage.

A lot of the GNU/Linux commands you're familiar with will work.
You can ssh into an Android device and get a shell (even Bash).

Commands like ls, tar, cp, mv etc all work.

Not sure if root access is required.


I have a Galaxy tab, and there are Linux Terminal apps for it.  Just 
install as a regular app.  I don't know enough Linux to know how 
powerful they are, but they support my limited knowledge of Linux commands.




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Re: Index and DBF corruption in SMB2 environments.

2012-11-08 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/8/2012 9:29 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

I turned up this Microsoft Article a while back:

Data corruption when one user on a computer that is running Windows 7
or Windows Server 2008 R2 updates a shared file that is open on multiple
computers by using SMB Version 2
Article ID: 2618096

It gives details on obtaining supported hotfixes for Windows 7, Vista
and Windows Server 2008 to address this. These hotfixes are not included
in any current service packs, nor are they installed via Windows Update,
as far as I know. I would imagine the next Service Packs for the OS's in
question will include the fix.

It *appears* to have largely sorted a persistent index corruption issue
on one site for us.

Article 2028965 may also be of interest.






So glad I don't use DBFs in most of my deployed apps any more.  One 
still does and I'd love to retool/rewrite it to use MySQL instead.  Oh 
to find the time.


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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Bob Lee
Keeping the original spec in mind, where the results would be emailed,
Last time I checked, email still requires some internet, 
I can't imagine an tablet application which didn't include some internet or
network at least.  

Bob Lee   


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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:37 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
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Not without internet access it wont
Al

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To: profoxt...@leafe.com
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An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a
tablet.. 

Bob Lee  


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RE: Index and DBF corruption in SMB2 environments.

2012-11-08 Thread Tracy Pearson
Alan Bourke wrote on 2012-11-08: 
  I turned up this Microsoft Article a while back:
  
  Data corruption when one user on a computer that is running Windows 7
  or Windows Server 2008 R2 updates a shared file that is open on multiple
  computers by using SMB Version 2
  Article ID: 2618096
  
  It gives details on obtaining supported hotfixes for Windows 7, Vista
  and Windows Server 2008 to address this. These hotfixes are not included
  in any current service packs, nor are they installed via Windows Update,
  as far as I know. I would imagine the next Service Packs for the OS's in
  question will include the fix.
  
  It *appears* to have largely sorted a persistent index corruption issue
  on one site for us.
  
  Article 2028965 may also be of interest.
 


Alan,

Thank you for sharing. I'll keep this in mind for our customers.

Tracy Pearson
PowerChurch Software


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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread Ricardo Aráoz

And still... YOU LOST ! ! ! ! ! ! !
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


El 08/11/12 08:00, Michael Madigan escribió:

His head is stuck in his ass too



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Your R key is stuck.


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On Nov 7, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Ricardo Aráoz ricar...@gmail.com wrote:


El 07/11/12 15:37, Michael Oke, II escribió:

The word is lose. But no I didn't lose as I wasn't running for election. Back 
to your bottle.

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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Kurt Wendt
No - Bob - what Al meant was that Peter specified that the users of the
application with have Internet access less than 50% of the time - so the
data entry application can NOT Expect internet access in order for it to
function...

-K-

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Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:56 AM

Keeping the original spec in mind, where the results would be emailed,
Last time I checked, email still requires some internet, 
I can't imagine an tablet application which didn't include some internet
or
network at least.  

Bob Lee   


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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:37 AM

Not without internet access it wont
Al

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Sent: 08 November 2012 17:30

An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a
tablet.. 

Bob Lee  


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Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Thierry Nivelet

An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a
tablet..

Bob Lee

especially with VFP on FoxInCloud !

Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
http://foxincloud.com/


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VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
I've got a form where some labels should appear in the TOP of the object 
hierarchy and hence instantiate before some other objects that depend on 
them to have a custom property.  Without the proper order, some other 
objects encounter an error because the Init of those labels didn't yet 
happen to create a custom property on them.


Is this something I have to hack the SCX to achieve?  I tried deleting 
and re-adding the objects but that didn't help.  I'm guessing it has 
something to do with the timestamp in the SCX?


tia,
--Mike



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Re: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread Alan Bourke
I'd say you might be better examining the whole approach. That strikes
me as being a particularly delicate house of cards that could get upset
continually.



Maybe have a RefreshMe() method on each label, and a
MyForm.RefreshLabels() which iterates through all label-type objects and
does RefreshMe(), and call MyForm.RefreshLabels()  in the Form class
Init():


Local llOk

llOk=DoDefault() -- Run form init, which will init all labels
in whatever order.

If llOk
 * -- Iterate through all label objects and call RefreshMe() on
 each. We can guarantee at this point that  they are ll inited.
Endif

Return llOk

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 06:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
 I've got a form where some labels should appear in the TOP of the object 
 hierarchy and hence instantiate before some other objects that depend on 
 them to have a custom property.  Without the proper order, some other 
 objects encounter an error because the Init of those labels didn't yet 
 happen to create a custom property on them.
 
 Is this something I have to hack the SCX to achieve?  I tried deleting 
 and re-adding the objects but that didn't help.  I'm guessing it has 
 something to do with the timestamp in the SCX?
 
 tia,
 --Mike
 
 
 
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 President, Chief Software Architect
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 http://fabmate.com
 http://twitter.com/mbabcock16
 
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Re: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread Rafael Copquin

Ellaborating on Alan's code, I imagine something like this:

Init event of all labels:

this.addproperty(´lInstantiated')

In the TOP labels:

this.lInstantiated = .t.

In the BOTTOM labels

   this.lInstatiated = .f.

if this.lInstantiated
  dodefault()
   ** here goes your special code
else
 nodefault
endif

If the property is false, the label would not instantiate, because of 
the NODEFAULT clause
In the case of the TOP labels, lInstantiate would be true, therefore the 
dodefault() code would run and they should instantiate first.


After all of them instantiate, you can set the lInstantiated property to 
.t. in all labels


for i = 1 to thisform.controlcount

if lower(thisform.controls(i).class) = 'label'
   thisform.controls(i).lInstantiated = .t.
   endif
endfor
thisform.refresh

If my thinking is correct, the TOP labels would instantiate first, and 
then would instantiate the rest of them.
But I never did something like this, so I might be wrong ( I really 
never fooled around with nodefault)


BTW, why would you play with labels values like that, I'm curious? Could 
you not set the value of your properties in any other way?


Rafael Copquin




El 08/11/2012 04:01 p.m., Alan Bourke escribió:

I'd say you might be better examining the whole approach. That strikes
me as being a particularly delicate house of cards that could get upset
continually.



Maybe have a RefreshMe() method on each label, and a
MyForm.RefreshLabels() which iterates through all label-type objects and
does RefreshMe(), and call MyForm.RefreshLabels()  in the Form class
Init():


Local llOk

 llOk=DoDefault() -- Run form init, which will init all labels
 in whatever order.

 If llOk
  * -- Iterate through all label objects and call RefreshMe() on
  each. We can guarantee at this point that  they are ll inited.
 Endif

Return llOk

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, at 06:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

I've got a form where some labels should appear in the TOP of the object
hierarchy and hence instantiate before some other objects that depend on
them to have a custom property.  Without the proper order, some other
objects encounter an error because the Init of those labels didn't yet
happen to create a custom property on them.

Is this something I have to hack the SCX to achieve?  I tried deleting
and re-adding the objects but that didn't help.  I'm guessing it has
something to do with the timestamp in the SCX?

tia,
--Mike



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RE: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread Richard Kaye
Isn't that something you can control to a certain extent by setting tab order 
or zorder?

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To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

I've got a form where some labels should appear in the TOP of the object 
hierarchy and hence instantiate before some other objects that depend on them 
to have a custom property.  Without the proper order, some other objects 
encounter an error because the Init of those labels didn't yet happen to create 
a custom property on them.

Is this something I have to hack the SCX to achieve?  I tried deleting and 
re-adding the objects but that didn't help.  I'm guessing it has something to 
do with the timestamp in the SCX?

tia,
--Mike


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Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Paul Hill
Peter,

I found another option that I had totally forgot about;

MIT App Inventor
http://appinventor.mit.edu/

I never tried it but it certainly looks interesting!

On 8 November 2012 15:17, Kurt Wendt kurtwe...@waitex.com wrote:

 Hey Peter - Sorry to see everyone is going way off topic. But, of
 course, Tech company bashing (like what people are doing here with
 Samsung) - is always fun (unless - of course - U R on the receiving
 end!).

 So - did you look into either of the options below as suggested by
 Kevin? Option #1 sounds like it would be interesting - as a relatively
 easy transition from VFP. Although, Option #2 sounds enticing - since it
 doesn't require programming (which, I'm assuming - means its NOT a steep
 learning curve) - plus it makes native Android Apps!

 -K-

 -Original Message-
 From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
 Kevin Cully
 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:06 AM

 For an Android targeted platform, I'd recommend either

 [1] Real Studio
 Web Edition which allows for building web applications as if you are
 developing a VFP desktop application
 http://www.realsoftware.com/web/

 Or

 [2] Illumination Software Creator which allows for building a
 native Android application using a non-programming paradigm:
 http://lunduke.com/?page_id=3454



 On 11/07/2012 09:36 AM, Profox wrote:
  One is a Coby and the
  other is a GoTab
  Both are android an d the operating system version is  Android 4 Ice
 Cream
  Sandwich...

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Re: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/8/2012 3:02 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Isn't that something you can control to a certain extent by setting tab order 
or zorder?


That's what I thought.  Although I've never coded in the ZOrder method.


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RE: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread Tracy Pearson
MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote on 2012-11-08: 
  I've got a form where some labels should appear in the TOP of the object
  hierarchy and hence instantiate before some other objects that depend on
  them to have a custom property.  Without the proper order, some other
  objects encounter an error because the Init of those labels didn't yet
  happen to create a custom property on them.
  
  Is this something I have to hack the SCX to achieve?  I tried deleting
  and re-adding the objects but that didn't help.  I'm guessing it has
  something to do with the timestamp in the SCX?
  
  tia,
  --Mike
 


Mike,

If your labels are on the form, not in containers you could use the SETALL()
method of the form to call a method in the label. This was VFP 6 days for
me.

If you have containers, this is a good use of BINDEVENTS.
To use BINDEVENTS you need to have 2 methods on the label class.
FormInitEvent
FormInitMethod

Procedure FormInitEvent
   THIS.FormInitMethod()
EndProc

Procedure FormInitMethod
** Your code goes here
EndProc

Procedure Init
BINDEVENT(THISFORM, INIT, THIS, FORMINITEVENT)
EndProc

If you call the method directly, anticipate strange behavior.
Once in the FormInitMethod procedure you can access objects outside of the
label. Inside the FormInitEvent, it is hit or miss. In my experience, it is
usually a miss in the runtime.

I do not expect any object on the form to exist until the form gets to its
INIT method.

Tracy Pearson
PowerChurch Software


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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Bob Lee
My mistake. 
I am sorry. 
Bob

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Wendt
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:43 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

No - Bob - what Al meant was that Peter specified that the users of the
application with have Internet access less than 50% of the time - so the
data entry application can NOT Expect internet access in order for it to
function...

-K-

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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:56 AM

Keeping the original spec in mind, where the results would be emailed, Last
time I checked, email still requires some internet, I can't imagine an
tablet application which didn't include some internet or network at least.  

Bob Lee   


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From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:37 AM

Not without internet access it wont
Al

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Sent: 08 November 2012 17:30

An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a
tablet.. 

Bob Lee  


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RE: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread Kurt Wendt
I also thought that Tab Order should resolve your problem - I find it
strange that it doesn't. I've also dabbled with ZOrder before, if I
remember - getting a Container to appear On Top and then Back Under -
during runtime...

-K-

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On 11/8/2012 3:02 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:
 Isn't that something you can control to a certain extent by setting
tab order or zorder?

That's what I thought.  Although I've never coded in the ZOrder method.


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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Kurt Wendt
I shall accept the apology for Peter - but, don't beat yourself up over
it!

I got a kick out of the response from Ted - since, maybe penpaper would
make more sense. But, I guess that depends on the Anal-ysis!

:-)
-K-

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Lee
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To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

My mistake. 
I am sorry. 
Bob

-Original Message-
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Wendt
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:43 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

No - Bob - what Al meant was that Peter specified that the users of the
application with have Internet access less than 50% of the time - so the
data entry application can NOT Expect internet access in order for it to
function...

-K-

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:56 AM

Keeping the original spec in mind, where the results would be emailed,
Last
time I checked, email still requires some internet, I can't imagine an
tablet application which didn't include some internet or network at
least.  

Bob Lee   


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Allen
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:37 AM

Not without internet access it wont
Al

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Lee
Sent: 08 November 2012 17:30

An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a
tablet.. 

Bob Lee  


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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Bob Lee
Do you have a tablet version of html 5 website I can see on my ipad ?  
Bob Lee  

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Nivelet
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 An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a 
 tablet..

 Bob Lee
especially with VFP on FoxInCloud !

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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Bob Lee
Or develop on the first - inexpensive tablet. 
http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/extras/image/name/san1/89/168089/etch-e-sketch0
01.jpg

Bob 

-Original Message-
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Wendt
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:15 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

I shall accept the apology for Peter - but, don't beat yourself up over it!

I got a kick out of the response from Ted - since, maybe penpaper would
make more sense. But, I guess that depends on the Anal-ysis!

:-)
-K-

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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:15 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

My mistake. 
I am sorry. 
Bob

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt
Wendt
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:43 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

No - Bob - what Al meant was that Peter specified that the users of the
application with have Internet access less than 50% of the time - so the
data entry application can NOT Expect internet access in order for it to
function...

-K-

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:56 AM

Keeping the original spec in mind, where the results would be emailed, Last
time I checked, email still requires some internet, I can't imagine an
tablet application which didn't include some internet or network at least.  

Bob Lee   


-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:37 AM

Not without internet access it wont
Al

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From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Lee
Sent: 08 November 2012 17:30

An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a
tablet.. 

Bob Lee  


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Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Thierry Nivelet
Can I give you one (with login / pw) by PM ?

Thierry Nivelet
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Le 8 nov. 2012 à 22:22, Bob Lee b...@1amsoftware.com a écrit :

 Do you have a tablet version of html 5 website I can see on my ipad ?  
 Bob Lee  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry
 Nivelet
 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:48 PM
 To: profoxt...@leafe.com
 Subject: Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.
 
 An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a 
 tablet..
 
 Bob Lee
 especially with VFP on FoxInCloud !
 
 Thierry Nivelet
 FoxInCloud
 Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud http://foxincloud.com/
 
 
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RE: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread Richard Kaye
I've manipulated zorder when adding objects to a form at runtime. Depending on 
the order of instantiation, things can get a little tricky when adding 
containers to containers. IIRC tab order controls instantiation order which is 
why even though your labels aren't necessarily something the user TABs 
through, you should be able to make sure that your dependency between controls 
by manipulating that.

--
rk

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On 11/8/2012 3:02 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:
 Isn't that something you can control to a certain extent by setting tab order 
 or zorder?

That's what I thought.  Although I've never coded in the ZOrder method.


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Re: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread Rafael Copquin

I do not expect any object on the form to exist until the form gets to its
INIT method.


According to the order in which events fire, all contained objects 
instantiate (ie exist) _before_ the form init.


You can test this by placing code like this in the init methods of the 
DE, the form and all contained objects:


DEBUGOUT label1 init

DEBUGOUT form init

etc

You can also put that code in the load,destroy and unload events of the 
form, the valid, keypress,lostfocus, etc of all contained objects.
Just create a test form and put the debugout keyword with a text 
indicating what event is firing and run the form.
The debug window will open and you will see in writing how each event is 
firing.
You will notice that all contained objects init events fire before the 
form's init


BTW, I use a form like this every time things do not happen the way my 
logic says they should and oftentimes I am proven wrong.


Rafael Copquin



El 08/11/2012 05:52 p.m., Tracy Pearson escribió:

MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote on 2012-11-08:

  I've got a form where some labels should appear in the TOP of the object
  hierarchy and hence instantiate before some other objects that depend on
  them to have a custom property.  Without the proper order, some other
  objects encounter an error because the Init of those labels didn't yet
  happen to create a custom property on them.
  
  Is this something I have to hack the SCX to achieve?  I tried deleting

  and re-adding the objects but that didn't help.  I'm guessing it has
  something to do with the timestamp in the SCX?
  
  tia,

  --Mike



Mike,

If your labels are on the form, not in containers you could use the SETALL()
method of the form to call a method in the label. This was VFP 6 days for
me.

If you have containers, this is a good use of BINDEVENTS.
To use BINDEVENTS you need to have 2 methods on the label class.
 FormInitEvent
 FormInitMethod

 Procedure FormInitEvent
THIS.FormInitMethod()
 EndProc

 Procedure FormInitMethod
 ** Your code goes here
 EndProc

 Procedure Init
 BINDEVENT(THISFORM, INIT, THIS, FORMINITEVENT)
 EndProc

If you call the method directly, anticipate strange behavior.
Once in the FormInitMethod procedure you can access objects outside of the
label. Inside the FormInitEvent, it is hit or miss. In my experience, it is
usually a miss in the runtime.

I do not expect any object on the form to exist until the form gets to its
INIT method.

Tracy Pearson
PowerChurch Software



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RE: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread Tracy Pearson
Rafael Copquin wrote on 2012-11-08: 
 I do not expect any object on the form to exist until the form gets to
its
 INIT method.
 
  According to the order in which events fire, all contained objects
  instantiate (ie exist) _before_ the form init.
  

Rafael,

Let me clarify. My code does not expect another object to exist on the form
until the INIT of the form fires.

Tracy Pearson
PowerChurch Software


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Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Bob Lee
Sure !

Bob Lee from his WG mobile 


On Nov 8, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Thierry Nivelet tnive...@foxincloud.com wrote:

 Can I give you one (with login / pw) by PM ?
 
 Thierry Nivelet
 http://foxincloud.com/
 Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
 
 Le 8 nov. 2012 à 22:22, Bob Lee b...@1amsoftware.com a écrit :
 
 Do you have a tablet version of html 5 website I can see on my ipad ?  
 Bob Lee  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry
 Nivelet
 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:48 PM
 To: profoxt...@leafe.com
 Subject: Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.
 
 An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a 
 tablet..
 
 Bob Lee
 especially with VFP on FoxInCloud !
 
 Thierry Nivelet
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Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Thierry Nivelet
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Login/pw by PM

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Le 8 nov. 2012 à 22:49, Bob Lee b...@1amsoftware.com a écrit :

 Sure !
 
 Bob Lee from his WG mobile 
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Thierry Nivelet tnive...@foxincloud.com wrote:
 
 Can I give you one (with login / pw) by PM ?
 
 Thierry Nivelet
 http://foxincloud.com/
 Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
 
 Le 8 nov. 2012 à 22:22, Bob Lee b...@1amsoftware.com a écrit :
 
 Do you have a tablet version of html 5 website I can see on my ipad ?  
 Bob Lee  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry
 Nivelet
 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:48 PM
 To: profoxt...@leafe.com
 Subject: Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.
 
 An Html5 app would be to me the quickest way to get a good result on a 
 tablet..
 
 Bob Lee
 especially with VFP on FoxInCloud !
 
 Thierry Nivelet
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Re: VFP9SP2 order of objects issue

2012-11-08 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/8/2012 4:32 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

I've manipulated zorder when adding objects to a form at runtime. Depending on the order 
of instantiation, things can get a little tricky when adding containers to containers. 
IIRC tab order controls instantiation order which is why even though your labels aren't 
necessarily something the user TABs through, you should be able to make sure 
that your dependency between controls by manipulating that.


As you could guess, this was a kludgey form.  lol


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Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Ted Roche
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kurt Wendt kurtwe...@waitex.com wrote:


 I got a kick out of the response from Ted - since, maybe penpaper would
 make more sense. But, I guess that depends on the Anal-ysis!


Glad you were amused. It's a sincere comment, not meant to be smart-aleck.
We love solving problems by throwing the latest whiz-bang technologies at a
problem. Sometimes a simpler solution, or a less complex one, anyway, is
better for the client. Carry the tablets, do the data entry there when
you've got internet. Otherwise, have paper forms and enter them later when
you get access. Single point-of-data entry eliminates the whole class of
synchronization issues.


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RE: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

2012-11-08 Thread Profox
The whole point of the exorcize is to get away from paper entry.  They are
using that system at the moment and making mistakes.

Peter


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Sent: 08 November 2012 22:07
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Writing a program for Linux Tablets.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kurt Wendt kurtwe...@waitex.com wrote:


 I got a kick out of the response from Ted - since, maybe penpaper 
 would make more sense. But, I guess that depends on the Anal-ysis!


Glad you were amused. It's a sincere comment, not meant to be smart-aleck.
We love solving problems by throwing the latest whiz-bang technologies at a
problem. Sometimes a simpler solution, or a less complex one, anyway, is
better for the client. Carry the tablets, do the data entry there when
you've got internet. Otherwise, have paper forms and enter them later when
you get access. Single point-of-data entry eliminates the whole class of
synchronization issues.


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Re: [OT] The delete key is my friend.

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Wolper
 I am just afraid that the results will be to close for one reason
 or another and we will go all stupid again.  Florida ballot mess comes
 to mind.

Isn't it nice that this year's Florida mess doesn't matter?

-Jerry

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Looking for VFP Work...

2012-11-08 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX

Hello there folks,

Things have been slow at my job lately. Some people I have communicated 
with already (even here on this list) know recently - that I literally 
didn't have anything to do at work lately. There hasn't been any New 
Projects for me in Weeks now. And, I hadn't even dealt with any client 
problems in a while. I should have read the writing on the walls.


My boss tells me that HIS Boss told him that he MUST make cutbacks to 
save money. And, since the older Aims clients have been so slow lately 
and giving us no new projects - and I'm the main Aims Only support guy - 
then I was the one they decided to let go.


So - if anyone knows of anything - I would really appreciate it. Of 
course, my main skill is really VFP - no serious experience in any other 
Tech areas (although I have dabbled in some Javascript, Perl  HTML in 
the past). My other background, which is very different from VFP - is 
doing 3D CG (I work with 3DS Max) - and I've done training (a corp. 
training gig for several Landscape Arch's) and teaching (1.5 yrs at 
Pratt  8 yrs. at Fashion Inst. of Tech.). But, I suspect that probably 
nobody in this group has connections within the realm of 3D CG.


A little while ago a link was posted here - about guy who was looking 
for FoxPro consultants - and he actually had a Video up on YouTube. I 
was just looking for that posting - but, so far could not find it. Was 
wondering if someone could point me in the right direction.


Thanks in advance for any help!
Kurt

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RE: Looking for VFP Work...

2012-11-08 Thread geoff
I recently ran a GMS computer modelling course here and 30% of the attendees
were american economic refugees (came here for work and better pay!). Maybe
you could consider the same?

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Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 11:51 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Looking for VFP Work...

Hello there folks,

Things have been slow at my job lately. Some people I have communicated with
already (even here on this list) know recently - that I literally didn't
have anything to do at work lately. There hasn't been any New Projects for
me in Weeks now. And, I hadn't even dealt with any client problems in a
while. I should have read the writing on the walls.

My boss tells me that HIS Boss told him that he MUST make cutbacks to save
money. And, since the older Aims clients have been so slow lately and giving
us no new projects - and I'm the main Aims Only support guy - then I was the
one they decided to let go.

So - if anyone knows of anything - I would really appreciate it. Of course,
my main skill is really VFP - no serious experience in any other Tech areas
(although I have dabbled in some Javascript, Perl  HTML in the past). My
other background, which is very different from VFP - is doing 3D CG (I work
with 3DS Max) - and I've done training (a corp. 
training gig for several Landscape Arch's) and teaching (1.5 yrs at Pratt 
8 yrs. at Fashion Inst. of Tech.). But, I suspect that probably nobody in
this group has connections within the realm of 3D CG.

A little while ago a link was posted here - about guy who was looking for
FoxPro consultants - and he actually had a Video up on YouTube. I was just
looking for that posting - but, so far could not find it. Was wondering if
someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance for any help!
Kurt

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[ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-08 Thread Ed Leafe
Every now and then I get a request from a member of this list who wants 
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Today, though, I am asking for money, but not for me. It's for the 
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I'm committing to do a 70 mile ride. Donations are not based on the 
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And I promise not to send any more of these appeals for money – at 
least not until next year's MS150 mile ride to raise money for research on 
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Re: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-08 Thread Sytze de Boer
Done


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote:

 Every now and then I get a request from a member of this list who
 wants to show their appreciation for my time keeping this list running by
 sending me some money. As much as I've appreciated such offers, I always
 turn them down.

 Today, though, I am asking for money, but not for me. It's for the
 fight against Cystic Fibrosis.

 Some of you who know me know that I am a cyclist. Recently I met
 some people at Rackspace who are participating in the CF Cycle For Life
 ride to raise money to help find a cure for CF. There is a fellow Racker
 who has CF and is also going to be doing the ride, so when they asked me to
 join them, I really couldn't refuse.

 I'm committing to do a 70 mile ride. Donations are not based on
 the ride length, though; it's not $x per mile or anything like that.
 Instead, they are asking for simple donations in my name that will go to
 help fund the search for a cure for CF.

 So if you've gotten value out of this list, and you are in a
 position to donate a few dollars, please go to
 http://www.cff.org/LWC/EdLeafe and click the Click to Donate button. $5
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Re: [OT] The delete key is my friend.

2012-11-08 Thread Michael Madigan
Isn't it great that savages get to decide an election? 



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Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 7:05 PM
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 I am just afraid that the results will be to close for one reason
 or another and we will go all stupid again.  Florida ballot mess comes
 to mind.

Isn't it nice that this year's Florida mess doesn't matter?

-Jerry

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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks! - Bayesian Filter detected spam

2012-11-08 Thread Nicholas Geti
Don't bet on it. The Republicans are stronger than ever in the House which 
is the only place where spending bills are allowed to be created. They can 
hold Obama in check for a long time.


Nick Geti

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Ive listened to four years of the nut-jobs blaming Obama for the stock
market dive - before he was elected - and Pete practically accuses him of
boiling babies for fuel for his jet. I can normally be a gracious winner 
but

in this case some gloating along with some mocking is truly deserved and
warranted.

Now maybe there could be some simple partisanship instead of redneck 
racism

and insanity.

. 



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RE: Looking for VFP Work...

2012-11-08 Thread Christina Bull
http://visualfoxprohelpwanted.com/

This is the guy from the YouTube vid Kurt.  Now and then I look for
sub-contracters to assist on projects.  I'll keep your details

Christina
www.datahouse.com.au


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From: Kurt @ VR-FX [mailto:v...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:21 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Looking for VFP Work...

Hello there folks,

Things have been slow at my job lately. Some people I have communicated with
already (even here on this list) know recently - that I literally didn't
have anything to do at work lately. There hasn't been any New Projects for
me in Weeks now. And, I hadn't even dealt with any client problems in a
while. I should have read the writing on the walls.

My boss tells me that HIS Boss told him that he MUST make cutbacks to save
money. And, since the older Aims clients have been so slow lately and giving
us no new projects - and I'm the main Aims Only support guy - then I was the
one they decided to let go.

So - if anyone knows of anything - I would really appreciate it. Of course,
my main skill is really VFP - no serious experience in any other Tech areas
(although I have dabbled in some Javascript, Perl  HTML in the past). My
other background, which is very different from VFP - is doing 3D CG (I work
with 3DS Max) - and I've done training (a corp. 
training gig for several Landscape Arch's) and teaching (1.5 yrs at Pratt 
8 yrs. at Fashion Inst. of Tech.). But, I suspect that probably nobody in
this group has connections within the realm of 3D CG.

A little while ago a link was posted here - about guy who was looking for
FoxPro consultants - and he actually had a Video up on YouTube. I was just
looking for that posting - but, so far could not find it. Was wondering if
someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance for any help!
Kurt




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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread Nicholas Geti
Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very poor 
campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. There were 
many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal theories but there 
was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of old, geeks who had no 
clue about the American psychic.


I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party.

The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried females 
who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh out of school 
always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La by having the 
government spend money. They are brainwashed into the ways of liberalism 
which is the same as Communism.  Other groups were the blacks who even 
though they have suffered the largest unemployment under Obama voted for him 
as revenge against the white man. They look to Obama as their leader. Others 
were the Latinos who got turned off by Mitt over immigration and setting up 
electric fences to keep illegals from coming into the U.S.


I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly head. 
Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy defunct 
mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are trying to keep 
the middle class at the same income level as the past twenty years. It isn't 
going to happen. The world in heavily interconnected; one cannot have one 
society at a high economic level while other groups languish. It will all 
even out.


Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where is 
the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to ration 
procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much each person 
will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to watch the inspectors. 
It isn't going to happen. We will witness the greatest boondoggle that the 
world has ever seen and will make the mortgage crisis look like a game of 
checkers in comparison. The amount of money that will be required is 1 to 3 
trillion per year. No one knows for sure.


Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New Jersey 
whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the problem over to 
FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things are getting out of 
control. The people at the Eastern end of Rockaway where the poor live are 
complaining that the Western end where the rich live are getting taken care 
of but they are being left out. The old jealousy is already raising its 
head. Turns out that the Western end saw over 100 houses burned to the 
ground because there was no power, no access to firemen, etc., etc.


We will see many failures of the small business man. He cannot afford to pay 
more taxes nor keep up with greater regulations. Inflation will do him in.


Nick Geti





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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!



On 11/07/2012 01:24 AM, geoff wrote:

Dear rednecks (madagain and pete particularly)


http://video.foxnews.com/v/1952359986001/
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/


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Re: Looking for VFP Work...

2012-11-08 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX

Thanks Christina for the info - yeah - that's the Vid I was looking for.

And - if you could fly me down under to Aussie land - that would ROCK!!!

(ah - just joking on that one - as I still must attempt to keep at least 
a little bit of humor - or else all is lost..)


;-)
-K-


On 11/8/2012 10:40 PM, Christina Bull wrote:

http://visualfoxprohelpwanted.com/

This is the guy from the YouTube vid Kurt.  Now and then I look for
sub-contracters to assist on projects.  I'll keep your details

Christina
www.datahouse.com.au


-Original Message-
From: Kurt @ VR-FX [mailto:v...@optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:21 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Looking for VFP Work...

Hello there folks,

Things have been slow at my job lately. Some people I have communicated with
already (even here on this list) know recently - that I literally didn't
have anything to do at work lately. There hasn't been any New Projects for
me in Weeks now. And, I hadn't even dealt with any client problems in a
while. I should have read the writing on the walls.

My boss tells me that HIS Boss told him that he MUST make cutbacks to save
money. And, since the older Aims clients have been so slow lately and giving
us no new projects - and I'm the main Aims Only support guy - then I was the
one they decided to let go.

So - if anyone knows of anything - I would really appreciate it. Of course,
my main skill is really VFP - no serious experience in any other Tech areas
(although I have dabbled in some Javascript, Perl  HTML in the past). My
other background, which is very different from VFP - is doing 3D CG (I work
with 3DS Max) - and I've done training (a corp.
training gig for several Landscape Arch's) and teaching (1.5 yrs at Pratt 
8 yrs. at Fashion Inst. of Tech.). But, I suspect that probably nobody in
this group has connections within the realm of 3D CG.

A little while ago a link was posted here - about guy who was looking for
FoxPro consultants - and he actually had a Video up on YouTube. I was just
looking for that posting - but, so far could not find it. Was wondering if
someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance for any help!
Kurt





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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks! - Bayesian Filter detected spam

2012-11-08 Thread lelandj

On 11/08/2012 09:16 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:
Don't bet on it. The Republicans are stronger than ever in the House 
which is the only place where spending bills are allowed to be 
created. They can hold Obama in check for a long time.


The legislation enacted by congress in 2011, (eg the so called fiscal 
cliff); after, congress failed to negotiate a deal to reduce the 
deficit, puts the Obama Administration and the Democrats in a strong 
position in the coming debate and negotiations/compromises on how to 
avoid the fiscal cliff.  I think a compromise will be reached that will 
allow the economy to continue to improve, allow the deficit to be 
reduced, and provide cover for Republicans who fear political 
repercussion, if they cave to raising taxes.


Taxes will likely be increased through tax reform that is progressive; 
rather, than tax rate increases that are progressive. For example, the 
IRS code might limit the mortgage deduction to the first $250,000.00 
appraised value of all houses.  The wealthiest 2% of American that have 
several million or billion dollar houses around the country, would loss 
a sizable amount of their mortgage deduction, which would result in them 
paying increased income tax, (eg sorry about that Donald)  LOL  The 
Democrats would put skin in the game by cooperating on some entitlements.


With the elections over both parties are in a better position to work 
together for the best interest of the country and the American people.


Anyway, I feel sure a compromise will be reached that avoids going off 
the fiscal cliff midnight, 12/31/2012.


http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/11/08/biden-democrats-willing-to-compromise-to-avoid-fiscal-cliff/

or

http://tinyurl.com/aq7nhdd

Regards,

LelandJ




Nick Geti

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Ive listened to four years of the nut-jobs blaming Obama for the stock
market dive - before he was elected - and Pete practically accuses 
him of
boiling babies for fuel for his jet. I can normally be a gracious 
winner but

in this case some gloating along with some mocking is truly deserved and
warranted.

Now maybe there could be some simple partisanship instead of redneck 
racism

and insanity.


.


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RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread geoff
The way you talk, you'd think a healthcare system was like a moon-landing -
no one has done it before. Much of the western world has large scale
healthcare systems that more-or-less work. It is a lot of work and yes it is
problematic. But it is being done every day in much of the western world so
just do it and move on.

PS new guys in the republican party? At least you recognised that in the
main the GOP should be renamed the WMP (white man's party)

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Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 2:16 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very poor
campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. There were
many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal theories but there
was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of old, geeks who had no
clue about the American psychic.

I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party.

The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried females
who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh out of school
always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La by having the
government spend money. They are brainwashed into the ways of liberalism
which is the same as Communism.  Other groups were the blacks who even
though they have suffered the largest unemployment under Obama voted for him
as revenge against the white man. They look to Obama as their leader. Others
were the Latinos who got turned off by Mitt over immigration and setting up
electric fences to keep illegals from coming into the U.S.

I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly head. 
Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy defunct
mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are trying to keep
the middle class at the same income level as the past twenty years. It isn't
going to happen. The world in heavily interconnected; one cannot have one
society at a high economic level while other groups languish. It will all
even out.

Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where is
the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to ration
procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much each person
will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to watch the inspectors.

It isn't going to happen. We will witness the greatest boondoggle that the
world has ever seen and will make the mortgage crisis look like a game of
checkers in comparison. The amount of money that will be required is 1 to 3
trillion per year. No one knows for sure.

Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New Jersey
whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the problem over to
FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things are getting out of
control. The people at the Eastern end of Rockaway where the poor live are
complaining that the Western end where the rich live are getting taken care
of but they are being left out. The old jealousy is already raising its
head. Turns out that the Western end saw over 100 houses burned to the
ground because there was no power, no access to firemen, etc., etc.

We will see many failures of the small business man. He cannot afford to pay
more taxes nor keep up with greater regulations. Inflation will do him in.

Nick Geti





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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread Michael Madigan
America will now look like Detroit, Memphis, Camden, and Baltimore.  



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The way you talk, you'd think a healthcare system was like a moon-landing -
no one has done it before. Much of the western world has large scale
healthcare systems that more-or-less work. It is a lot of work and yes it is
problematic. But it is being done every day in much of the western world so
just do it and move on.

PS new guys in the republican party? At least you recognised that in the
main the GOP should be renamed the WMP (white man's party)

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Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 2:16 PM
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Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very poor
campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. There were
many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal theories but there
was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of old, geeks who had no
clue about the American psychic.

I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party.

The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried females
who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh out of school
always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La by having the
government spend money. They are brainwashed into the ways of liberalism
which is the same as Communism.  Other groups were the blacks who even
though they have suffered the largest unemployment under Obama voted for him
as revenge against the white man. They look to Obama as their leader. Others
were the Latinos who got turned off by Mitt over immigration and setting up
electric fences to keep illegals from coming into the U.S.

I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly head. 
Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy defunct
mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are trying to keep
the middle class at the same income level as the past twenty years. It isn't
going to happen. The world in heavily interconnected; one cannot have one
society at a high economic level while other groups languish. It will all
even out.

Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where is
the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to ration
procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much each person
will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to watch the inspectors.

It isn't going to happen. We will witness the greatest boondoggle that the
world has ever seen and will make the mortgage crisis look like a game of
checkers in comparison. The amount of money that will be required is 1 to 3
trillion per year. No one knows for sure.

Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New Jersey
whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the problem over to
FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things are getting out of
control. The people at the Eastern end of Rockaway where the poor live are
complaining that the Western end where the rich live are getting taken care
of but they are being left out. The old jealousy is already raising its
head. Turns out that the Western end saw over 100 houses burned to the
ground because there was no power, no access to firemen, etc., etc.

We will see many failures of the small business man. He cannot afford to pay
more taxes nor keep up with greater regulations. Inflation will do him in.

Nick Geti





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 http://video.foxnews.com/v/1952359986001/
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RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread geoff
I know it is probably news to you but those places are already IN america.

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America will now look like Detroit, Memphis, Camden, and Baltimore.  



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To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

The way you talk, you'd think a healthcare system was like a moon-landing -
no one has done it before. Much of the western world has large scale
healthcare systems that more-or-less work. It is a lot of work and yes it is
problematic. But it is being done every day in much of the western world so
just do it and move on.

PS new guys in the republican party? At least you recognised that in the
main the GOP should be renamed the WMP (white man's party)

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 2:16 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very poor
campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. There were
many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal theories but there
was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of old, geeks who had no
clue about the American psychic.

I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party.

The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried females
who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh out of school
always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La by having the
government spend money. They are brainwashed into the ways of liberalism
which is the same as Communism.  Other groups were the blacks who even
though they have suffered the largest unemployment under Obama voted for him
as revenge against the white man. They look to Obama as their leader. Others
were the Latinos who got turned off by Mitt over immigration and setting up
electric fences to keep illegals from coming into the U.S.

I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly head. 
Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy defunct
mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are trying to keep
the middle class at the same income level as the past twenty years. It isn't
going to happen. The world in heavily interconnected; one cannot have one
society at a high economic level while other groups languish. It will all
even out.

Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where is
the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to ration
procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much each person
will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to watch the inspectors.

It isn't going to happen. We will witness the greatest boondoggle that the
world has ever seen and will make the mortgage crisis look like a game of
checkers in comparison. The amount of money that will be required is 1 to 3
trillion per year. No one knows for sure.

Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New Jersey
whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the problem over to
FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things are getting out of
control. The people at the Eastern end of Rockaway where the poor live are
complaining that the Western end where the rich live are getting taken care
of but they are being left out. The old jealousy is already raising its
head. Turns out that the Western end saw over 100 houses burned to the
ground because there was no power, no access to firemen, etc., etc.

We will see many failures of the small business man. He cannot afford to pay
more taxes nor keep up with greater regulations. Inflation will do him in.

Nick Geti





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 On 11/07/2012 01:24 AM, geoff wrote:
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 http://video.foxnews.com/v/1952359986001/
 --
 Regards,

 Pete
 http://pete-theisen.com/
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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread Michael Madigan
And all are managed and run by Blacks.  Now America is run by Blacks and the 
rest of it will look like those cities very shortly.




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I know it is probably news to you but those places are already IN america.

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America will now look like Detroit, Memphis, Camden, and Baltimore.  



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To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

The way you talk, you'd think a healthcare system was like a moon-landing -
no one has done it before. Much of the western world has large scale
healthcare systems that more-or-less work. It is a lot of work and yes it is
problematic. But it is being done every day in much of the western world so
just do it and move on.

PS new guys in the republican party? At least you recognised that in the
main the GOP should be renamed the WMP (white man's party)

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 2:16 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very poor
campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. There were
many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal theories but there
was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of old, geeks who had no
clue about the American psychic.

I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party.

The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried females
who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh out of school
always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La by having the
government spend money. They are brainwashed into the ways of liberalism
which is the same as Communism.  Other groups were the blacks who even
though they have suffered the largest unemployment under Obama voted for him
as revenge against the white man. They look to Obama as their leader. Others
were the Latinos who got turned off by Mitt over immigration and setting up
electric fences to keep illegals from coming into the U.S.

I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly head. 
Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy defunct
mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are trying to keep
the middle class at the same income level as the past twenty years. It isn't
going to happen. The world in heavily interconnected; one cannot have one
society at a high economic level while other groups languish. It will all
even out.

Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where is
the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to ration
procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much each person
will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to watch the inspectors.

It isn't going to happen. We will witness the greatest boondoggle that the
world has ever seen and will make the mortgage crisis look like a game of
checkers in comparison. The amount of money that will be required is 1 to 3
trillion per year. No one knows for sure.

Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New Jersey
whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the problem over to
FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things are getting out of
control. The people at the Eastern end of Rockaway where the poor live are
complaining that the Western end where the rich live are getting taken care
of but they are being left out. The old jealousy is already raising its
head. Turns out that the Western end saw over 100 houses burned to the
ground because there was no power, no access to firemen, etc., etc.

We will see many failures of the small business man. He cannot afford to pay
more taxes nor keep up with greater regulations. Inflation will do him in.

Nick Geti





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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!


 On 11/07/2012 01:24 AM, geoff wrote:
 Dear rednecks (madagain and pete particularly)

 http://video.foxnews.com/v/1952359986001/
 --
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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread lelandj


On 11/08/2012 09:45 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:
Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very 
poor campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. 
There were many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal 
theories but there was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of 
old, geeks who had no clue about the American psychic.


The hurricane that screwed up the Republican National Convention in 
Florida should have served as a clue that Governor Romney's bid for the 
presidency was doomed.


Not mentioned in the article is:

1)  The Obama campaign was much better networked, especially using the 
internet socializing on facebook, twitter, google, etc.
2)  The Republicans ran an old fashion campaign failing to recognize the 
USA changing demographics, and how the country had move beyond the old 
conservative order of things.


#---
Excerpt:

Analysis: Why Romney lost

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/07/politics/why-romney-lost/index.html

#-

Regards,

LelandJ



I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party.

The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried 
females who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh 
out of school always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La 
by having the government spend money. They are brainwashed into the 
ways of liberalism which is the same as Communism.  Other groups were 
the blacks who even though they have suffered the largest unemployment 
under Obama voted for him as revenge against the white man. They look 
to Obama as their leader. Others were the Latinos who got turned off 
by Mitt over immigration and setting up electric fences to keep 
illegals from coming into the U.S.


I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly 
head. Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy 
defunct mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are 
trying to keep the middle class at the same income level as the past 
twenty years. It isn't going to happen. The world in heavily 
interconnected; one cannot have one society at a high economic level 
while other groups languish. It will all even out.


Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where 
is the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to 
ration procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much 
each person will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to 
watch the inspectors. It isn't going to happen. We will witness the 
greatest boondoggle that the world has ever seen and will make the 
mortgage crisis look like a game of checkers in comparison. The amount 
of money that will be required is 1 to 3 trillion per year. No one 
knows for sure.


Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New 
Jersey whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the 
problem over to FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things 
are getting out of control. The people at the Eastern end of Rockaway 
where the poor live are complaining that the Western end where the 
rich live are getting taken care of but they are being left out. The 
old jealousy is already raising its head. Turns out that the Western 
end saw over 100 houses burned to the ground because there was no 
power, no access to firemen, etc., etc.


We will see many failures of the small business man. He cannot afford 
to pay more taxes nor keep up with greater regulations. Inflation will 
do him in.


Nick Geti





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On 11/07/2012 01:24 AM, geoff wrote:

Dear rednecks (madagain and pete particularly)


http://video.foxnews.com/v/1952359986001/
--
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Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
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Re: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-08 Thread Andrew Stirling

Done
I did the Glasgow-Edinburgh cycle this year. One of the 8500.
http://www.pedalforscotland.org/
Came in 8th (last), I had a very very late start time!!!
But then I beat Dave age wise, (are you back on the vroom vroom bike?)
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RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread geoff
Good to see your racism is still going strong. But you will need to work on
your sexisms because Hillary will be your NEXT president. How's that gonna
work for you? And to make matters worse, the tip is that the opponent will
be a *gasp* Hispanic!!

You are going to have to move country! 

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Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 3:25 PM
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And all are managed and run by Blacks.  Now America is run by Blacks and the
rest of it will look like those cities very shortly.




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To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
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Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:51 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

I know it is probably news to you but those places are already IN america.

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Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 3:04 PM
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America will now look like Detroit, Memphis, Camden, and Baltimore.  



- Original Message -
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To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

The way you talk, you'd think a healthcare system was like a moon-landing -
no one has done it before. Much of the western world has large scale
healthcare systems that more-or-less work. It is a lot of work and yes it is
problematic. But it is being done every day in much of the western world so
just do it and move on.

PS new guys in the republican party? At least you recognised that in the
main the GOP should be renamed the WMP (white man's party)

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 2:16 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very poor
campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. There were
many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal theories but there
was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of old, geeks who had no
clue about the American psychic.

I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party.

The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried females
who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh out of school
always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La by having the
government spend money. They are brainwashed into the ways of liberalism
which is the same as Communism.  Other groups were the blacks who even
though they have suffered the largest unemployment under Obama voted for him
as revenge against the white man. They look to Obama as their leader. Others
were the Latinos who got turned off by Mitt over immigration and setting up
electric fences to keep illegals from coming into the U.S.

I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly head. 
Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy defunct
mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are trying to keep
the middle class at the same income level as the past twenty years. It isn't
going to happen. The world in heavily interconnected; one cannot have one
society at a high economic level while other groups languish. It will all
even out.

Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where is
the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to ration
procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much each person
will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to watch the inspectors.

It isn't going to happen. We will witness the greatest boondoggle that the
world has ever seen and will make the mortgage crisis look like a game of
checkers in comparison. The amount of money that will be required is 1 to 3
trillion per year. No one knows for sure.

Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New Jersey
whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the problem over to
FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things are getting out of
control. The people at the Eastern end of Rockaway where the poor live are
complaining that the Western end where the rich live are getting taken care
of but they are being left out. The old jealousy is already raising its
head. Turns out that the Western end saw over 100 houses burned to the
ground because there was no power, no access to firemen, etc., etc.

We will see many failures of the small business man. He cannot afford to pay
more taxes nor keep up with greater regulations. Inflation will do him in.

Nick Geti





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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread Michael Madigan
Hillary will be much better than Obama.  She was born in America, she loves 
America, and she's not Black.  

But alas, I do not believe America will make it to 2016.


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Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

Good to see your racism is still going strong. But you will need to work on
your sexisms because Hillary will be your NEXT president. How's that gonna
work for you? And to make matters worse, the tip is that the opponent will
be a *gasp* Hispanic!!

You are going to have to move country! 

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And all are managed and run by Blacks.  Now America is run by Blacks and the
rest of it will look like those cities very shortly.




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Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

I know it is probably news to you but those places are already IN america.

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Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 3:04 PM
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America will now look like Detroit, Memphis, Camden, and Baltimore.  



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To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

The way you talk, you'd think a healthcare system was like a moon-landing -
no one has done it before. Much of the western world has large scale
healthcare systems that more-or-less work. It is a lot of work and yes it is
problematic. But it is being done every day in much of the western world so
just do it and move on.

PS new guys in the republican party? At least you recognised that in the
main the GOP should be renamed the WMP (white man's party)

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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 2:16 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very poor
campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. There were
many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal theories but there
was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of old, geeks who had no
clue about the American psychic.

I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party.

The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried females
who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh out of school
always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La by having the
government spend money. They are brainwashed into the ways of liberalism
which is the same as Communism.  Other groups were the blacks who even
though they have suffered the largest unemployment under Obama voted for him
as revenge against the white man. They look to Obama as their leader. Others
were the Latinos who got turned off by Mitt over immigration and setting up
electric fences to keep illegals from coming into the U.S.

I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly head. 
Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy defunct
mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are trying to keep
the middle class at the same income level as the past twenty years. It isn't
going to happen. The world in heavily interconnected; one cannot have one
society at a high economic level while other groups languish. It will all
even out.

Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where is
the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to ration
procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much each person
will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to watch the inspectors.

It isn't going to happen. We will witness the greatest boondoggle that the
world has ever seen and will make the mortgage crisis look like a game of
checkers in comparison. The amount of money that will be required is 1 to 3
trillion per year. No one knows for sure.

Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New Jersey
whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the problem over to
FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things are getting out of
control. The people at the Eastern end of Rockaway where the poor live are
complaining that the Western end where the rich live are getting taken care
of but they are being left out. The old jealousy is already raising its
head. 

[OT] Florida's voting system sucks

2012-11-08 Thread lelandj

Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together?  LOL

I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes; 
because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have 
followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office.


Finally; three hours ago:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results

Regards,

LelandJ

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Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread Michael Oke, II
Little to no chance that Hillary would earn the nomination. 


Michael Oke, II
661-349-6221

Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. 

On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:22 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote:

 Good to see your racism is still going strong. But you will need to work on
 your sexisms because Hillary will be your NEXT president. How's that gonna
 work for you? And to make matters worse, the tip is that the opponent will
 be a *gasp* Hispanic!!
 
 You are going to have to move country! 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
 Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 3:25 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
 
 And all are managed and run by Blacks.  Now America is run by Blacks and the
 rest of it will look like those cities very shortly.
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
 To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:51 PM
 Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
 
 I know it is probably news to you but those places are already IN america.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
 Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 3:04 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
 
 America will now look like Detroit, Memphis, Camden, and Baltimore.  
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
 To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:31 PM
 Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
 
 The way you talk, you'd think a healthcare system was like a moon-landing -
 no one has done it before. Much of the western world has large scale
 healthcare systems that more-or-less work. It is a lot of work and yes it is
 problematic. But it is being done every day in much of the western world so
 just do it and move on.
 
 PS new guys in the republican party? At least you recognised that in the
 main the GOP should be renamed the WMP (white man's party)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
 Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 2:16 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
 
 Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very poor
 campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. There were
 many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal theories but there
 was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of old, geeks who had no
 clue about the American psychic.
 
 I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party.
 
 The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried females
 who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh out of school
 always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La by having the
 government spend money. They are brainwashed into the ways of liberalism
 which is the same as Communism.  Other groups were the blacks who even
 though they have suffered the largest unemployment under Obama voted for him
 as revenge against the white man. They look to Obama as their leader. Others
 were the Latinos who got turned off by Mitt over immigration and setting up
 electric fences to keep illegals from coming into the U.S.
 
 I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly head. 
 Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy defunct
 mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are trying to keep
 the middle class at the same income level as the past twenty years. It isn't
 going to happen. The world in heavily interconnected; one cannot have one
 society at a high economic level while other groups languish. It will all
 even out.
 
 Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where is
 the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to ration
 procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much each person
 will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to watch the inspectors.
 
 It isn't going to happen. We will witness the greatest boondoggle that the
 world has ever seen and will make the mortgage crisis look like a game of
 checkers in comparison. The amount of money that will be required is 1 to 3
 trillion per year. No one knows for sure.
 
 Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New Jersey
 whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the problem over to
 FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things are getting out of
 control. The people at the Eastern end of Rockaway where the poor live are
 complaining that the Western end where the rich live are getting taken care
 of but they are being left out. The old jealousy is already raising its
 head. Turns out that the Western end saw 

Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

2012-11-08 Thread Michael Madigan
Well Joe Biden isn't.  LOL



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To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!

Little to no chance that Hillary would earn the nomination. 


Michael Oke, II
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Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. 

On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:22 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote:

 Good to see your racism is still going strong. But you will need to work on
 your sexisms because Hillary will be your NEXT president. How's that gonna
 work for you? And to make matters worse, the tip is that the opponent will
 be a *gasp* Hispanic!!
 
 You are going to have to move country! 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
 Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 3:25 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
 
 And all are managed and run by Blacks.  Now America is run by Blacks and the
 rest of it will look like those cities very shortly.
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
 To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:51 PM
 Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
 
 I know it is probably news to you but those places are already IN america.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
 Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 3:04 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
 
 America will now look like Detroit, Memphis, Camden, and Baltimore.  
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
 To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:31 PM
 Subject: RE: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
 
 The way you talk, you'd think a healthcare system was like a moon-landing -
 no one has done it before. Much of the western world has large scale
 healthcare systems that more-or-less work. It is a lot of work and yes it is
 problematic. But it is being done every day in much of the western world so
 just do it and move on.
 
 PS new guys in the republican party? At least you recognised that in the
 main the GOP should be renamed the WMP (white man's party)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
 Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 2:16 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] what a relief and bad luck rednecks!
 
 Very interesting commentary from Krauthammer. I think Mitt ran a very poor
 campaign. He never explained his conservative economic concepts. There were
 many times he could have pounded Obama on this liberal theories but there
 was never a peep. Mitt's advisors were a couple of old, geeks who had no
 clue about the American psychic.
 
 I am looking forward to the new guys coming up in the Republican party.
 
 The biggest groups of voters for Obama were young, white unmarried females
 who thought he was sexy and talked pretty. Young people fresh out of school
 always think they can make the world into a Shangri-La by having the
 government spend money. They are brainwashed into the ways of liberalism
 which is the same as Communism.  Other groups were the blacks who even
 though they have suffered the largest unemployment under Obama voted for him
 as revenge against the white man. They look to Obama as their leader. Others
 were the Latinos who got turned off by Mitt over immigration and setting up
 electric fences to keep illegals from coming into the U.S.
 
 I predict that in the next two years inflation will raise its ugly head. 
 Bernanke is pumping $50B per month into the economy to buy defunct
 mortgages. That money has to go somewhere. The Democrats are trying to keep
 the middle class at the same income level as the past twenty years. It isn't
 going to happen. The world in heavily interconnected; one cannot have one
 society at a high economic level while other groups languish. It will all
 even out.
 
 Obama is putting 23,000,000 Americans into a health care system. Where is
 the money going to come from? The system will have to be set up to ration
 procedures. The inspectors will decide who, what and how much each person
 will get. To prevent fraud, we will need inspectors to watch the inspectors.
 
 It isn't going to happen. We will witness the greatest boondoggle that the
 world has ever seen and will make the mortgage crisis look like a game of
 checkers in comparison. The amount of money that will be required is 1 to 3
 trillion per year. No one knows for sure.
 
 Notice how Obama has promised to make residents of New York and New Jersey
 whole from the hurricane, Sandy. Then promptly turned the problem over to
 FEMA. Already we are hearing complaints that things are getting out of
 control. The people at the 

Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

2012-11-08 Thread Pete Theisen

On 11/09/2012 12:32 AM, lelandj wrote:

Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together?  LOL

I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes;
because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have
followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office.

Finally; three hours ago:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results


Hi Leland,

What would Texas have done, given that close a result?
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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RE: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-08 Thread PabloSr
Done.

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RE: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

2012-11-08 Thread geoff
I have to say that as an observer of your voting system that it sucks almost
beyond belief. You have queues where people stand half a day to vote when an
obvious and rather simple solution is more machines and more staff. You have
officials trying to rig the system, Florida denying the vote to those with a
criminal record etc etc.

Is there any wonder that other countries sent observers to ensure that your
elections are free and fair?

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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 5:28 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

On 11/09/2012 12:32 AM, lelandj wrote:
 Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together?  LOL

 I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral 
 votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would 
 have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office.

 Finally; three hours ago:

 http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results

Hi Leland,

What would Texas have done, given that close a result?
--
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Pete
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http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

2012-11-08 Thread lelandj

On 11/09/2012 12:58 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:

On 11/09/2012 12:32 AM, lelandj wrote:

Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together?  LOL

I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes;
because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have
followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office.

Finally; three hours ago:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results


Hi Leland,

What would Texas have done, given that close a result?


Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections 
should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities how 
the Florida voting system might be improved.  I'm sure there are some 
fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ, that were 
ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right.


Regards,

LelandJ


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RE: Looking for VFP Work...

2012-11-08 Thread Christina Bull
Glad to help.  Fly you to down under land? 

 If only there was this amazing network of computers where we all
information is just there and we could all connect in a flash oh wait,
hold on ;-)

Must make sure I attempt humour too.  Will keep you posted and good luck!

-Original Message-
From: Kurt @ VR-FX [mailto:v...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:52 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Looking for VFP Work...

Thanks Christina for the info - yeah - that's the Vid I was looking for.

And - if you could fly me down under to Aussie land - that would ROCK!!!

(ah - just joking on that one - as I still must attempt to keep at least a
little bit of humor - or else all is lost..)

;-)
-K-


On 11/8/2012 10:40 PM, Christina Bull wrote:
 http://visualfoxprohelpwanted.com/

 This is the guy from the YouTube vid Kurt.  Now and then I look for 
 sub-contracters to assist on projects.  I'll keep your details

 Christina
 www.datahouse.com.au


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 From: Kurt @ VR-FX [mailto:v...@optonline.net]
 Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:21 PM
 To: profox@leafe.com
 Subject: Looking for VFP Work...

 Hello there folks,

 Things have been slow at my job lately. Some people I have 
 communicated with already (even here on this list) know recently - 
 that I literally didn't have anything to do at work lately. There 
 hasn't been any New Projects for me in Weeks now. And, I hadn't even 
 dealt with any client problems in a while. I should have read the writing
on the walls.

 My boss tells me that HIS Boss told him that he MUST make cutbacks to 
 save money. And, since the older Aims clients have been so slow lately 
 and giving us no new projects - and I'm the main Aims Only support guy 
 - then I was the one they decided to let go.

 So - if anyone knows of anything - I would really appreciate it. Of 
 course, my main skill is really VFP - no serious experience in any 
 other Tech areas (although I have dabbled in some Javascript, Perl  
 HTML in the past). My other background, which is very different from 
 VFP - is doing 3D CG (I work with 3DS Max) - and I've done training (a
corp.
 training gig for several Landscape Arch's) and teaching (1.5 yrs at 
 Pratt 
 8 yrs. at Fashion Inst. of Tech.). But, I suspect that probably nobody 
 in this group has connections within the realm of 3D CG.

 A little while ago a link was posted here - about guy who was looking 
 for FoxPro consultants - and he actually had a Video up on YouTube. I 
 was just looking for that posting - but, so far could not find it. Was 
 wondering if someone could point me in the right direction.

 Thanks in advance for any help!
 Kurt




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Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

2012-11-08 Thread Pete Theisen

On 11/09/2012 02:30 AM, lelandj wrote:


Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together?  LOL

I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral votes;
because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have
followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office.

Finally; three hours ago:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results



What would Texas have done, given that close a result?


Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections
should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities how
the Florida voting system might be improved.  I'm sure there are some
fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ, that were
ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right.


Ducked the question, as usual. You don't know about your own state, do you.
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Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks

2012-11-08 Thread lelandj

On 11/09/2012 01:37 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:

On 11/09/2012 02:30 AM, lelandj wrote:


Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together?  LOL

I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral 
votes;

because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state would have
followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put GWB in office.

Finally; three hours ago:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results



What would Texas have done, given that close a result?


Perhaps the Florida officials responsible for running the elections
should consult with an expert on the subject to find opportunities how
the Florida voting system might be improved.  I'm sure there are some
fine experts, as the other 49 states, including NY and NJ, that were
ravaged by hurricane Sandy, got it right.


Ducked the question, as usual. You don't know about your own state, do 
you.


What does the election being close have to do with how long it take to 
count the votes?  LOL  It should only delay calling the election by 
projection, until all votes are counted, which should have occurred 
election night.  No recount was involved.


Regards,

LelandJ


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