Re: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-12 Thread GaryT

On 10/11/12 02:49, AndyHC wrote:

no can do from here - it just times out
   AndyD  8-)# in Goa
snip



No luck from Australia either, Andy.
I tried many times, first when Ed posted the original message and again 
on the weekend; timed out each time.  FireFox on Ubuntu 10.04.


Today I asked wife and one daughter to attempt access from work 
computers, all Windows, neither successful.


We also failed to get a response using the iPhone.

This afternoon I searched locally and found there was one CFF web site 
for each Australian State.  Tried to phone but it was right on 5.00pm, 
call went to messagebank.


Daughter suggests CFF probably have a world wide agreement - to block 
access from callers in other countries.  To save someone donating to an 
overseas group when they meant to cash to go locally.  So, I explored 
further.


Attempted to access CFF India.   (ref: AndyHC - Goa)
Found this page
http://www.cfww.org/pub/english/cfwnl/7/617/Cystic_Fibrosis_in_India

That seems to knock Carolyn's idea on the head. Especially since I was 
able to access the DONATE page attached to that one.  However, at the 
bottom of that (Indian) page I find the following note.


* Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide Inc. is a 501(c)(3) tax exempt organization 
based in Worcester, Massachussets. All donations are tax-deductible. 
Donors will receive a letter via email for their tax records.


That made me wonder whether perhaps I could donate on that page and 
somehow add the correct references to attach the donation to Ed's 
effort.  But am I going around in circles...


USA people, please attempt to access the Indian and the Australian site 
(below).  If you are all successful, I'll begin to believe the block is 
a one-way affair and will phone locally tomorrow trying to find some 
answers.


The Australian Site:
http://www.cysticfibrosis.org.au/

Thanks
GT



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Re: Memo field repair

2012-11-12 Thread Alan Bourke


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 06:33 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
 
 What's the current guidance on memo field repair?
 
 

It depends on how mangled it is. I normally:

select recno() as rec, * from bustedtable into dbf temp

Then edit the structure of the damaged table, removing the memo-type
fields. Then re-instate them, which will create a new, blank memo file. 

Then scan through the 'temp' table from above and replace the memo field
contents.

If it's *really* broken I see if FoxFix can do something.

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RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2012-11-12 Thread geoff
You have an amazing ability to morph any comment, any fact and any
information into redneck-speak. 

Enjoy FOUR MORE YEARS, because after that comes 8 years of Hillary Clinton.
The republicans are unelectable.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 6:00 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

So it's better to kill yourself by hanging or by slitting your wrists than
by gunshot.  Gotcha. 



- Original Message -
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:02 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

The astonishing thing is the 'thats a good result!' response. The ENTIRE gun
deaths figures include accidents and suicides. The figure you quote is ONLY
homicide.

and its only 8-10 times per capita the rate in places like UK and australia.
yep... guns really keep you safe!!!

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:47 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

Geoff is a slow learner.   We've posted this for him over and over.   




From: Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2010 numbers from the FBI says 8,775. 


Michael Oke, II
661-349-6221

Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated
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On Nov 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote:

 We had this debate and Im not going to do it again. We went to your 
 own USA official statistics to confirm. You however wanted to use NRA 
 figures and where's the surprise that they are orders of magnitude
different?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Pete 
 Theisen
 Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 11:02 AM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks
 
 On 11/11/2012 07:07 PM, geoff wrote:
 In that same period of time 2000 Americans died from gunshot. I know 
 you don't accept it and you and Pete want to exclude this that and 
 the other category of gun deaths but it remains true that 50,000 die 
 each year from the wrong end of a gun.
 
 Hi Geoff,
 
 You NEVER cite your source, probably barroom rumors. When we google to 
 find a similar figure to what you claim we find it including stuff as 
 measles, car accidents, slips/falls and war deaths.
 
 That notwithstanding, what does Oz/Paradise do about druggies and 
 their killings?
 --
 Regards,
 
 Pete
 http://pete-theisen.com/
 http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
 
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Re: Do NOT use old FoxPro?

2012-11-12 Thread AndyHC
I have found dbc's useful as a transition stage starting with local 
tables  local views  remote views;
later I found cursoradapters, which I think came too late in FoxPro 
evolution to be fully appreciated - as pointed out in a different post 
it is useful to be able to drag your data onto a form and cursoradapters 
will allow you to do this and then change your backend data source 
without breaking your forms (re-compile needed though?)


  AndyD  8-)#

On 12/11/2012 02:35, Dan Covill wrote:

On 11/11/12 07:02, AndyHC wrote:

VFP is good
dbf's - not
dbc's - maybe


I'd modify that list just a little:
  VFP is _still_ good
  dbf's - use a SQL database instead
  dbc's - never were any good!

Dan


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Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Madigan
You can't possibly earn a living with that convoluted mind.   




From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:51 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

You have an amazing ability to morph any comment, any fact and any
information into redneck-speak. 

Enjoy FOUR MORE YEARS, because after that comes 8 years of Hillary Clinton.
The republicans are unelectable.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 6:00 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

So it's better to kill yourself by hanging or by slitting your wrists than
by gunshot.  Gotcha. 



- Original Message -
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:02 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

The astonishing thing is the 'thats a good result!' response. The ENTIRE gun
deaths figures include accidents and suicides. The figure you quote is ONLY
homicide.

and its only 8-10 times per capita the rate in places like UK and australia.
yep... guns really keep you safe!!!

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:47 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

Geoff is a slow learner.   We've posted this for him over and over.   




From: Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2010 numbers from the FBI says 8,775. 


Michael Oke, II
661-349-6221

Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated
recipient. 

On Nov 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote:

 We had this debate and Im not going to do it again. We went to your 
 own USA official statistics to confirm. You however wanted to use NRA 
 figures and where's the surprise that they are orders of magnitude
different?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Pete 
 Theisen
 Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 11:02 AM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks
 
 On 11/11/2012 07:07 PM, geoff wrote:
 In that same period of time 2000 Americans died from gunshot. I know 
 you don't accept it and you and Pete want to exclude this that and 
 the other category of gun deaths but it remains true that 50,000 die 
 each year from the wrong end of a gun.
 
 Hi Geoff,
 
 You NEVER cite your source, probably barroom rumors. When we google to 
 find a similar figure to what you claim we find it including stuff as 
 measles, car accidents, slips/falls and war deaths.
 
 That notwithstanding, what does Oz/Paradise do about druggies and 
 their killings?
 --
 Regards,
 
 Pete
 http://pete-theisen.com/
 http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
 
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Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2012-11-12 Thread Ricardo Aráoz

Wow!!!
CONVOLUTED
That's more than two syllables Mike, are you attending school again?
Congratulations! Good for you. You'll make us all proud.


El 12/11/12 08:21, Michael Madigan escribió:

You can't possibly earn a living with that convoluted mind.




From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:51 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

You have an amazing ability to morph any comment, any fact and any
information into redneck-speak.

Enjoy FOUR MORE YEARS, because after that comes 8 years of Hillary Clinton.
The republicans are unelectable.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 6:00 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

So it's better to kill yourself by hanging or by slitting your wrists than
by gunshot.  Gotcha.



- Original Message -
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:02 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

The astonishing thing is the 'thats a good result!' response. The ENTIRE gun
deaths figures include accidents and suicides. The figure you quote is ONLY
homicide.

and its only 8-10 times per capita the rate in places like UK and australia.
yep... guns really keep you safe!!!

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:47 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

Geoff is a slow learner.   We've posted this for him over and over.




From: Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2010 numbers from the FBI says 8,775.


Michael Oke, II
661-349-6221

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recipient.

On Nov 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote:


We had this debate and Im not going to do it again. We went to your
own USA official statistics to confirm. You however wanted to use NRA
figures and where's the surprise that they are orders of magnitude

different?




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Re: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-12 Thread Tracy Pearson
GaryT g...@taig.net wrote:

On 10/11/12 02:49, AndyHC wrote:
 no can do from here - it just times out
AndyD  8-)# in Goa
 snip


No luck from Australia either, Andy.
I tried many times, first when Ed posted the original message and again


I was able to reach the Australian site. The link Ed have redirects to this for 
me. Perhaps this link will work better for you.
http://www.cff.org/LWC/dsp_donationPage.cfm?idEvent=21008idUser=599885



-- 
Tracy

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SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

2012-11-12 Thread Paul Newton
Hi

Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a string 
without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?

I am hesitant to use the FLL because it exposes methods whose name could be the 
same as other functions or procedures.

Many thanks

Paul Newton


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  text/plain (text body -- kept)
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Re: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-12 Thread Tracy Pearson
Tracy Pearson tr...@powerchurch.com wrote:

GaryT g...@taig.net wrote:

On 10/11/12 02:49, AndyHC wrote:
 no can do from here - it just times out
AndyD  8-)# in Goa
 snip


No luck from Australia either, Andy.
I tried many times, first when Ed posted the original message and
again


I was able to reach the Australian site. The link Ed have redirects to
this for me. Perhaps this link will work better for you.
http://www.cff.org/LWC/dsp_donationPage.cfm?idEvent=21008idUser=599885



-- 
Tracy

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Re: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

2012-11-12 Thread Alan Bourke

 Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a
 string without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?
 

You might find some ideas on the news2news site about leveraging the
Windows Crypto API. Don't think there's a native VFP version around
unfortunately ...


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Re: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-12 Thread GaryT

Tracey, that link is simply another page on the same web site.
I get blocked at the cff.org stage.
Looks to me like the blocking might be all one way.

Were you able to access the Indian web site?
GT


On 12/11/12 23:39, Tracy Pearson wrote:

GaryT g...@taig.net wrote:


On 10/11/12 02:49, AndyHC wrote:

no can do from here - it just times out
AndyD  8-)# in Goa
snip



No luck from Australia either, Andy.
I tried many times, first when Ed posted the original message and again



I was able to reach the Australian site. The link Ed have redirects to this for 
me. Perhaps this link will work better for you.
http://www.cff.org/LWC/dsp_donationPage.cfm?idEvent=21008idUser=599885





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RE: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

2012-11-12 Thread Paul Newton
Thanks Alan - unfortunately I am not a member and you need to be a member to 
access a lot of the good stuff ...

Paul

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke
Sent: 12 November 2012 13:00
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL


 Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a 
 string without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?
 

You might find some ideas on the news2news site about leveraging the Windows 
Crypto API. Don't think there's a native VFP version around unfortunately ...

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Re: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

2012-11-12 Thread Tracy Pearson
Paul Newton paul.new...@pegasus.co.uk wrote:

Hi

Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a
string without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?

I am hesitant to use the FLL because it exposes methods whose name
could be the same as other functions or procedures.

Many thanks

Paul Newton

Paul,

You can unload the library after you make your call into it.

Set Library to vfpencryption.fll
Sha256
Set library to

If you already use other libraries grab the loaded list with set(library) to 
restore them back.
-- 
Tracy

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RE: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

2012-11-12 Thread Paul Newton
Thanks Tracy

I will consider that as a possibility.  No need to restore other libraries if 
you use Release Library vfpencryption.fll instead of Set Library To

Paul

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Tracy 
Pearson
Sent: 12 November 2012 13:16
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

Paul Newton paul.new...@pegasus.co.uk wrote:

Hi

Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a 
string without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?

I am hesitant to use the FLL because it exposes methods whose name 
could be the same as other functions or procedures.

Many thanks

Paul Newton

Paul,

You can unload the library after you make your call into it.

Set Library to vfpencryption.fll
Sha256
Set library to

If you already use other libraries grab the loaded list with set(library) to 
restore them back.
--
Tracy

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RE: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

2012-11-12 Thread Paul Newton
Many thanks Paul - I will give that a try

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Sent: 12 November 2012 13:18
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

LMGTFY :-)

http://jammox.co.uk/server/snippets.php?sn=fox3

On 12 November 2012 12:42, Paul Newton paul.new...@pegasus.co.uk wrote:

 Hi

 Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a 
 string without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?

 I am hesitant to use the FLL because it exposes methods whose name 
 could be the same as other functions or procedures.

 Many thanks

 Paul Newton


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RE: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

2012-11-12 Thread Tracy Pearson
Paul Newton paul.new...@pegasus.co.uk wrote:

Thanks Tracy

I will consider that as a possibility.  No need to restore other
libraries if you use Release Library vfpencryption.fll instead of Set
Library To

Paul

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RE: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

2012-11-12 Thread Paul Newton
Just tested that out and compared it with using HASH in VFPEncryption

Scanned a table of 10,000 employee records and calculated the hash for 
forenames+surname

Hash took just over 0.1 seconds
SHA256.Encode took just over 38 seconds

I suppose that was to be expected and it might even be acceptable

Paul Newton

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Subject: Re: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

LMGTFY :-)

http://jammox.co.uk/server/snippets.php?sn=fox3

On 12 November 2012 12:42, Paul Newton paul.new...@pegasus.co.uk wrote:

 Hi

 Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a 
 string without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?

 I am hesitant to use the FLL because it exposes methods whose name 
 could be the same as other functions or procedures.

 Many thanks

 Paul Newton


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Re: The - VFP is Old Tech Complaint...

2012-11-12 Thread Alan Bourke


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012, at 07:02 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:

 However, is there any other Ammo that I can use in my arguments to 
 convince the guy that its STILL a Viable Tech???

COBOL has been around since, what, 1960-something, and In 1997, the
Gartner Group reported that 80% of the world's business ran on COBOL
with over 200 billion lines of code in existence and with an estimated 5
billion lines of new code annually.

So old tech does not necessarily equate to bad idea.


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[OT] Obama won't save the working class or the Jersey Shore

2012-11-12 Thread Pete Theisen

Hi Everybody,

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/11/201211692437285102.html

yesterday he was hugging Obama and thanking him for his policies, even 
as so many of the things for which he expressed thanks - regulating Wall 
Street, keeping Americans safe, fighting the increasing disparities in 
wealth - are things Obama simply has not done.

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Re: The - VFP is Old Tech Complaint...

2012-11-12 Thread Ted Roche
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net wrote:

 Hey Mike,

 Thanks for the input. I shall try and consider SQL as a backend for the
 system. Especially since I know so many people here on this mailing list
 has done Exactly that - using SQL. However, to be truthful - I have very
 little experience with doing something like that. Also, I've done the
 Visual type screen design - where I drop one or more DBF's into the Env. on
 a Form - which allows me to easily do DragDrop to layout the screen
 design. I suspect that with an SQL backend - you can't do that at all...

 I'd STRONGLY suggest you take advantage of some of your free time to get
familiar with VFP and its Client-Server (C/S) solutions. There's SQL
Pass-Through (SPT), Remote Views and cursoradaptors. All three technologies
have strengths and weaknesses, and the best systems I've worked on have a
combination of them.

And with remote views, you can do visual design pretty similarly to what
you are used to.

When all you own is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

In my last years of pushing VFP solutions, I was a big fan of the idea that
a VFP C/S app could be one of several front ends. VFP is awesome for
heads-down data entry, rich desktop applications, grids, drag-and-drop and
so forth. A second or third app could also access the same data: Excel for
bean-counter what-ifs, a web-based app for salesmen on the road to do price
lookups, etc.

For the past decade, I've specialized in web apps using PHP and Ruby/Rails,
mostly with MySQL backends, but with a smattering of SQLite, Postgres,
Ingres and even SQL Server (under protest, of course).

I have been AMAZED at the range of tools out there and the cool things you
can do.

If you're serious about being in this business for the long term, you owe
it to yourself to always be learning new stuff. It's the cost of doing
business.


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Re: The - VFP is Old Tech Complaint...

2012-11-12 Thread Ed Leafe
On Nov 12, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 COBOL has been around since, what, 1960-something, and In 1997, the
 Gartner Group reported that 80% of the world's business ran on COBOL
 with over 200 billion lines of code in existence and with an estimated 5
 billion lines of new code annually.
 
 So old tech does not necessarily equate to bad idea.

If the question posed was whether to get rid of an existing VFP app 
simply because it is old tech, I would agree with this 100%. Unlike humans, 
older tech tends to run faster and more reliably as time progresses.

However, if the question was what technology to use to develop a new 
application, I think the answer for both COBOL and VFP should be the same: 
absolutely not. There are many alternatives that can do the job as well or 
better, and they will be much more supportable in the long run. There are 
precious few new developers entering either of those languages these days, and 
the only reason I can see for a consultant to recommend either is to line their 
own pockets, as there is no way that such a choice for new development could 
ever be in the best interest of the client.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's the way that this industry 
works. If you're not willing to learn new stuff, you really should find another 
line of work.


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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Nicholas Geti
It is Obama legal team (Holder) who have blocked voter ID which is the main 
problem for corruption in Florida.


Nick Geti

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Doesnt anyone else find it astonishing that the american voting system is 
so

corrupt and such a shambles? What is needed is FEDERAL over-riding
legislation to set up a single electoral body responsible to running every
election and setting up effective and non-fraudulent systems like those 
run
in most of the rest of the world. The degree of fraud and corruption is 
only
overshadowed by the incompetence. But no one in govt seems overly 
concerned

that the voting results are inaccurate and fraudulent as long as they got
elected.

Your elections are a joke.

Paul





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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Nicholas Geti
You keep forgetting that your beloved leader and his sidekick, Holder, are 
the ones who are blocking voter ID tooth and nail. So, how can you expect 
Florida to implement this kind of system? The Democrats in Florida like it 
this way.

Nick Geti

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On 11/11/2012 02:32 PM, Paul Hill wrote:

On 11 November 2012 19:15, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote:

Just off the top of my head, an internal control might work something 
like

this.  The starting point in a voter casting a ballot is registering to
vote. Because many people have the same name, at the time a person
registers to vote, they could be issued a unique ID number.

In order for the voter to receive a ballot, when they go to vote, they
could be required to present their unique ID number.  This number could 
be

check, and if its valid, and has not already been used, the voter could
receive a ballot.


You just described the voting system as used by half the world!

Here in the UK I receive a card in the post which I take down to vote.
It can only be used once and only at one place (normally a local school, 
in

my case the local judo club).

The alternative is the system used in India.  The voter dips his/her 
finger

in a strong dye.
If you have a blue finger you can't vote!



I don't know why this type system is not more prevalent in the USA.   In 
this type of system a lot of the work like showing photo ID, etc could be 
done during registration, and then all a voter need do to vote is appear 
with their registration, which contained their unique ID.  This would 
eliminate the problem of more votes being cast than registrations on 
record.  LOL  It could also be used to track the voter from the point of 
registration to the point of where the vote is cast.  It could also be 
used to back track to a voter, should irregularities arise.


Regards,

LelandJ



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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Nicholas Geti
In Connecticut one has to show a drivers license with a photo ID on it. No 
one complains about disenfranchising here about that. We also use a paper 
ballot containing for each candidate a circle that one darkens with a 
special pen. It is very fast and can be recounted if necessary.


The problem with Florida is that the Republican West lost because of this 
faulty voting but the Democrats wanted to win so that is why they like it.

Nick Geti

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And again I tell you that anything of this nature is being bashed as 
harmful. It would disenfranchise certain voters. I personally have no 
issue with something of this nature being instituted but that would 
probably require federal intervention.



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On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:33 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote:


On 11/11/2012 02:29 PM, Michael Oke wrote:
Voter identification of that sort is being fought tooth and nail by 
certain sectors of the current political regimes.


I'm talking about an internal control where a voter would provide proof 
of eligibility to vote at the point of registration, and receive a unique 
ID.  From this point the voter could be tracked through the system, much 
like UPS tracks a package from it point of origin to point of delivery. 
This system would eliminate the problem of more votes being cast than 
registered voters on record, or significantly less votes being cast than 
registered voters on record, and provide a back tracking mechanism should 
anyone try to use a unique ID more than once.

Regards,

LelandJ




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On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote:


On 11/11/2012 12:25 PM, Pete Theisen wrote:

On 11/11/2012 01:10 PM, lelandj wrote:


http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2012/11/10/massive-voter-fraud-in-st-lucie-county-florida-141-turnout/
official St Lucie County, FL 2012 election results. Only one 
precinct

had less than 113% turnout. The unofficial vote count is 175,554
registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% ). The National
SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% voter 
turn

out, the highest in the county.

How would Texas cope with that?
Florida should engage one of the big four accounting firms to perform 
an

operational audit of the current system, and make recommendation

Hi Leland,

How would the auditors identify the fraudulent ballots? THAT is what 
has to be done!
Just off the top of my head, an internal control might work something 
like this.  The starting point in a voter casting a ballot is 
registering to vote.  Because many people have the same name, at the 
time a person registers to vote, they could be issued a unique ID 
number.


In order for the voter to receive a ballot, when they go to vote, they 
could be required to present their unique ID number.  This number could 
be check, and if its valid, and has not already been used, the voter 
could receive a ballot.


If the system is automated the voter could be required to enter his 
unique ID to cast a vote.  The voting machine would check to see if the 
unique ID number had not already been used within a statewide voting 
system; before, accepting the voters input.


This kind of system would need strong security to protect the voters 
privacy.


Without some kind of internal control in place, such as the example I 
provided above, it may not be possible to identify fraudulent votes.


Regards,

LelandJ

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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Nicholas Geti
You shouldn't have any problems understanding why. Just read my previous 
comments. It is not difficult.

Nick Geti

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OK, I just looked at my Texas Voter Registration Certificate and it has 
a UVID number of 1056035183 in my case.  I do not understand Florida 
having such a hard time with its system.  LOL  It could be a lack of 
internal control, non-compliance with the current system in place, a lack 
of education of those managing the voting locations, willful manipulate of 
the results, LOL, who know what else.


What I do know is any system with a lack of internal controls cannot be 
audited.


Regards,

LelandJ





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Re: The - VFP is Old Tech Complaint...

2012-11-12 Thread M Jarvis

 I'd say MySQL or PostgreSQL would sell better than Access as both of those
 are certainly not going away any time soon...better bet with those over
 Access for a multitude of reasons!


I said Access for the front end, not the DB backend I don't like
it because I'm used to and spoiled by VFP all those years, but Access
should be fine for user interface work. And they've at prolly heard of
it...

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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Pete Theisen

On 11/12/2012 11:27 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote:

Hi Nick, Leland,

I suspect a double standard here in Florida. When I vote they want 
picture ID with my signature on it. If a counter/race/culture person 
shows up driving alone with only a learner's permit because he/she 
lost his/her license he/she gets to vote the same as I do. I know that 
because one of my old buddies worked the election last week and had one 
like that. Multiply that one by everyone working the election.


But the 141% turn out was probably an inside job. Someone working the 
election got one of the ballot forms and reproduced it with the right 
votes on it. Then he/she ran it into the computer as many times as 
necessary when no one was looking.



You shouldn't have any problems understanding why. Just read my previous
comments. It is not difficult.
Nick Geti



OK, I just looked at my Texas Voter Registration Certificate and it
has a UVID number of 1056035183 in my case.  I do not understand
Florida having such a hard time with its system.  LOL  It could be a
lack of internal control, non-compliance with the current system in
place, a lack of education of those managing the voting locations,
willful manipulate of the results, LOL, who know what else.

What I do know is any system with a lack of internal controls cannot
be audited.

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Re: The - VFP is Old Tech Complaint...

2012-11-12 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/12/2012 11:56 AM, M Jarvis wrote:


I'd say MySQL or PostgreSQL would sell better than Access as both of those
are certainly not going away any time soon...better bet with those over
Access for a multitude of reasons!



I said Access for the front end, not the DB backend I don't like
it because I'm used to and spoiled by VFP all those years, but Access
should be fine for user interface work. And they've at prolly heard of
it...




Gotcha...

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Re: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-12 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

I think mine got through this time.

Thanks again, Ed!


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VFP vs.NET, et. al.

2012-11-12 Thread Wes Wilson
Ed,
 
I agree with you with regard to new apps.  My arguments go to a percentage of 
existing apps where there is no good business argument to be made to change 
languages now.
 
We do conversions to .NET and, in a limited number  of cases, to Microsoft 
Access with a SQL backend.
 
With regard to learning new skills,  agree  100%.
 
Wes

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   1. RE: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL (Paul Newton)
   2. Re: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL (Tracy Pearson)
   3. Re: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL (Paul Hill)
   4. RE: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL (Paul Newton)
   5. RE: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL (Paul Newton)
   6. RE: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL (Tracy Pearson)
   7. RE: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL (Paul Newton)
   8. Re: The - VFP is Old Tech Complaint... (Alan Bourke)
   9. [OT] Obama won't save the working class or the Jersey Shore
      (Pete Theisen)
  10. Re: The - VFP is Old Tech Complaint... (Ted Roche)
  11. Re: The - VFP is Old Tech Complaint... (Ed Leafe)
  12. Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win (Nicholas Geti)
  13. Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win (Nicholas Geti)
  14. Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win (Nicholas Geti)
  15. Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win (Nicholas Geti)
  16. Re: The - VFP is Old Tech Complaint... (M Jarvis)
Thanks Alan - unfortunately I am not a member and you need to be a member to 
access a lot of the good stuff ...

Paul

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke
Sent: 12 November 2012 13:00
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL


 Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a 
 string without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?
 

You might find some ideas on the news2news site about leveraging the Windows 
Crypto API. Don't think there's a native VFP version around unfortunately ...


Paul Newton paul.new...@pegasus.co.uk wrote:

Hi

Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a
string without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?

I am hesitant to use the FLL because it exposes methods whose name
could be the same as other functions or procedures.

Many thanks

Paul Newton

Paul,

You can unload the library after you make your call into it.

Set Library to vfpencryption.fll
Sha256
Set library to

If you already use other libraries grab the loaded list with set(library) to 
restore them back.
-- 
Tracy


LMGTFY :-)

http://jammox.co.uk/server/snippets.php?sn=fox3

On 12 November 2012 12:42, Paul Newton paul.new...@pegasus.co.uk wrote:

 Hi

 Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a string
 without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?

 I am hesitant to use the FLL because it exposes methods whose name could
 be the same as other functions or procedures.

 Many thanks

 Paul Newton


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Thanks Tracy

I will consider that as a possibility.  No need to restore other libraries if 
you use Release Library vfpencryption.fll instead of Set Library To

Paul

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Sent: 12 November 2012 13:16
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Subject: Re: SHA256 hash WITHOUT using VFPEncryption.FLL

Paul Newton paul.new...@pegasus.co.uk wrote:

Hi

Does anybody have any idea on how I can create a SHA256 hash from a 
string without using Craig Boyd's VFPEncryption.FLL?

I am hesitant to use the FLL because it exposes methods whose name 
could be the same as other functions or procedures.

Many thanks

Paul Newton

Paul,

You can unload the library after you make your call into it.

Set Library to vfpencryption.fll
Sha256
Set library to

If you already use other libraries grab the loaded list with set(library) to 
restore them back.
--
Tracy
[excessive 

Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread lelandj

On 11/12/2012 10:25 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote:

In Connecticut one has to show a drivers license with a photo ID on it.


There are many individual that are qualified to vote, that don't have a 
driver license.  A better system would be to key on a unique Voter ID, 
that is issued during registration; after, the individual is scrutinized 
to ensure eligibility.



No one complains about disenfranchising here about that. We also use a 
paper ballot containing for each candidate a circle that one darkens 
with a special pen. It is very fast and can be recounted if necessary.


If the individual qualifies during registration, it should not be 
necessary for the individual to show their registration papers at the 
registrar table and have the registrar look them up in paper list of 
registered voters.


If the individual's registration certificate contained the voter ID in 
both regular number format, and bar code format, the individual could 
proceed immediately to the voting both, where his voting certificate 
would be scanned.  The voting machines at each voting location could be 
networked together to check that the individual's voter id was valid and 
not previously used.  If so, the voting machine could unlock a touch 
screen to allow the individual to vote.


This kind of system could be used to let the system gradually transition 
to the internet, when the internet is ready to handle such a critical 
system.  Then the individual could comfortable vote by connecting to the 
internet from anywhere and casting his vote from his computer, notebook, 
tablet, laptop, etc.


Regards,

LelandJ




The problem with Florida is that the Republican West lost because of 
this faulty voting but the Democrats wanted to win so that is why they 
like it.

Nick Geti

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Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


And again I tell you that anything of this nature is being bashed as 
harmful. It would disenfranchise certain voters. I personally have no 
issue with something of this nature being instituted but that would 
probably require federal intervention.



Michael Oke, II
661-349-6221

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On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:33 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote:


On 11/11/2012 02:29 PM, Michael Oke wrote:
Voter identification of that sort is being fought tooth and nail by 
certain sectors of the current political regimes.


I'm talking about an internal control where a voter would provide 
proof of eligibility to vote at the point of registration, and 
receive a unique ID.  From this point the voter could be tracked 
through the system, much like UPS tracks a package from it point of 
origin to point of delivery. This system would eliminate the problem 
of more votes being cast than registered voters on record, or 
significantly less votes being cast than registered voters on 
record, and provide a back tracking mechanism should anyone try to 
use a unique ID more than once.

Regards,

LelandJ




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On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote:


On 11/11/2012 12:25 PM, Pete Theisen wrote:

On 11/11/2012 01:10 PM, lelandj wrote:

http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2012/11/10/massive-voter-fraud-in-st-lucie-county-florida-141-turnout/ 

official St Lucie County, FL 2012 election results. Only one 
precinct

had less than 113% turnout. The unofficial vote count is 175,554
registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% ). The National
SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% 
voter turn

out, the highest in the county.

How would Texas cope with that?
Florida should engage one of the big four accounting firms to 
perform an

operational audit of the current system, and make recommendation

Hi Leland,

How would the auditors identify the fraudulent ballots? THAT is 
what has to be done!
Just off the top of my head, an internal control might work 
something like this.  The starting point in a voter casting a 
ballot is registering to vote.  Because many people have the same 
name, at the time a person registers to vote, they could be issued 
a unique ID number.


In order for the voter to receive a ballot, when they go to vote, 
they could be required to present their unique ID number.  This 
number could be check, and if its valid, and has not already been 
used, the voter could receive a ballot.


If the system is automated the voter could be required to enter 
his unique ID to cast a vote.  The voting machine would check to 
see if the unique ID number had not already been used within a 
statewide voting system; before, accepting the voters input.


This kind of system would need strong security to protect the 
voters privacy.


Without some kind 

Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread lelandj

On 11/12/2012 11:01 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:

On 11/12/2012 11:27 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote:

Hi Nick, Leland,

I suspect a double standard here in Florida. When I vote they want 
picture ID with my signature on it. If a counter/race/culture person 
shows up driving alone with only a learner's permit because he/she 
lost his/her license he/she gets to vote the same as I do. I know 
that because one of my old buddies worked the election last week and 
had one like that. Multiply that one by everyone working the election.


But the 141% turn out was probably an inside job. Someone working the 
election got one of the ballot forms and reproduced it with the right 
votes on it. Then he/she ran it into the computer as many times as 
necessary when no one was looking.


Pete, probably all the illegal ballot were votes for Congressman Allen 
west, but not in numbers enough to put him in the winner's circle.  LOL  
Republican Congressman West should concede to newcomer Patrick Murph, 
and let the country move forward.


http://www.examiner.com/article/fl-election-2012-update-allen-west-loses-won-t-concede-awaits-limited-recount

Regards,

LelandJ




You shouldn't have any problems understanding why. Just read my previous
comments. It is not difficult.
Nick Geti



OK, I just looked at my Texas Voter Registration Certificate and it
has a UVID number of 1056035183 in my case.  I do not understand
Florida having such a hard time with its system.  LOL  It could be a
lack of internal control, non-compliance with the current system in
place, a lack of education of those managing the voting locations,
willful manipulate of the results, LOL, who know what else.

What I do know is any system with a lack of internal controls cannot
be audited.



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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread lelandj

On 11/12/2012 12:41 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:14 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote:


On 11/12/2012 10:25 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote:


In Connecticut one has to show a drivers license with a photo ID on it.


There are many individual that are qualified to vote, that don't have a
driver license.  A better system would be to key on a unique Voter ID, that
is issued during registration; after, the individual is scrutinized to
ensure eligibility.

-


Why not get finger prints over the next set of elections?  I works on my
laptop very well.


Yeah, now you're getting the idea.

Anyway, I had though about having the voting machine scan the voter's 
thumb print, rather than requiring an electronic signature.


Anyway, the internet may not yet be ready to handle a voting system.

For example, a company like Microsoft might require all its employees to 
report to a area, where they would be required to cast votes for 
Republican candidates, while being observed by management.  Anyone not 
casting his/her vote for Repulican candidates, would be immediately 
terminated.  LOL


http://www.technologyreview.com/news/506741/why-you-cant-vote-online/

Regards,

LelandJ







Also take images from drivers licence  because that use to work on my other
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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread lelandj

On 11/12/2012 01:34 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote:


Why not get finger prints over the next set of elections?  I works on my
laptop very well.


Yeah, now you're getting the idea.

Anyway, I had though about having the voting machine scan the voter's
thumb print, rather than requiring an electronic signature.

--

This is just to identify yourself at the voting location.  No internet vote
at all.  Purely a check in procedure.





You've got my vote for it.

Regards,

LelandJ


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[NF] John McAfee wanted for murder

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Madigan
He's been murdering my CPU performance for years.  

http://gizmodo.com/5959812/john-mcafee-wanted-for-murder


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Re: [NF] John McAfee wanted for murder

2012-11-12 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
Its hard to believe that is the same person that started McAfee SW! But, 
I gotta say - my favorite user comment was:
So basically the main thing MDPV has in common with McAfee 
products is if you shove both in your ass they'll probably work better. 


:-)
-K-

On 11/12/2012 2:46 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:

He's been murdering my CPU performance for years.

http://gizmodo.com/5959812/john-mcafee-wanted-for-murder




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RE: [NF] John McAfee wanted for murder

2012-11-12 Thread Richard Kaye
Wow! What a wild story...

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He's been murdering my CPU performance for years.  

http://gizmodo.com/5959812/john-mcafee-wanted-for-murder


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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Nicholas Geti
You are totally ignoring the important fact that Obama and crew do not want 
voter ID. No how, no way. So why are you pounding on ways to prevent voter 
fraud?


Nick Geti.


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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win



On 11/12/2012 10:25 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote:

In Connecticut one has to show a drivers license with a photo ID on it.


There are many individual that are qualified to vote, that don't have a 
driver license.  A better system would be to key on a unique Voter ID, 
that is issued during registration; after, the individual is scrutinized 
to ensure eligibility.



No one complains about disenfranchising here about that. We also use a 
paper ballot containing for each candidate a circle that one darkens with 
a special pen. It is very fast and can be recounted if necessary.


If the individual qualifies during registration, it should not be 
necessary for the individual to show their registration papers at the 
registrar table and have the registrar look them up in paper list of 
registered voters.


If the individual's registration certificate contained the voter ID in 
both regular number format, and bar code format, the individual could 
proceed immediately to the voting both, where his voting certificate would 
be scanned.  The voting machines at each voting location could be 
networked together to check that the individual's voter id was valid and 
not previously used.  If so, the voting machine could unlock a touch 
screen to allow the individual to vote.


This kind of system could be used to let the system gradually transition 
to the internet, when the internet is ready to handle such a critical 
system.  Then the individual could comfortable vote by connecting to the 
internet from anywhere and casting his vote from his computer, notebook, 
tablet, laptop, etc.


Regards,

LelandJ

. 



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RE: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-12 Thread Christina Bull
Phew glad it wasn't just me in Australia that had problems.  I tried all
weekend too, but no luck. 

If anyone figures this out - let me know where to go and donate ok

Christina Bull
www.datahouse.com.au


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On 10/11/12 02:49, AndyHC wrote:
 no can do from here - it just times out
AndyD  8-)# in Goa
 snip


No luck from Australia either, Andy.
I tried many times, first when Ed posted the original message and again on
the weekend; timed out each time.  FireFox on Ubuntu 10.04.

Today I asked wife and one daughter to attempt access from work computers,
all Windows, neither successful.

We also failed to get a response using the iPhone.

This afternoon I searched locally and found there was one CFF web site for
each Australian State.  Tried to phone but it was right on 5.00pm, call went
to messagebank.

Daughter suggests CFF probably have a world wide agreement - to block access
from callers in other countries.  To save someone donating to an overseas
group when they meant to cash to go locally.  So, I explored further.

Attempted to access CFF India.   (ref: AndyHC - Goa)
Found this page
http://www.cfww.org/pub/english/cfwnl/7/617/Cystic_Fibrosis_in_India

That seems to knock Carolyn's idea on the head. Especially since I was able
to access the DONATE page attached to that one.  However, at the bottom of
that (Indian) page I find the following note.

* Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide Inc. is a 501(c)(3) tax exempt organization
based in Worcester, Massachussets. All donations are tax-deductible. 
Donors will receive a letter via email for their tax records.

That made me wonder whether perhaps I could donate on that page and somehow
add the correct references to attach the donation to Ed's effort.  But am I
going around in circles...

USA people, please attempt to access the Indian and the Australian site
(below).  If you are all successful, I'll begin to believe the block is a
one-way affair and will phone locally tomorrow trying to find some answers.

The Australian Site:
http://www.cysticfibrosis.org.au/

Thanks
GT






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RE: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-12 Thread Christina Bull
That's the one!  Worked for me and donated this morning (AU time)

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I was able to reach the Australian site. The link Ed have redirects to this for 
me. Perhaps this link will work better for you.
http://www.cff.org/LWC/dsp_donationPage.cfm?idEvent=21008idUser=599885



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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread lelandj

On 11/12/2012 01:44 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:
You are totally ignoring the important fact that Obama and crew do not 
want voter ID. No how, no way. So why are you pounding on ways to 
prevent voter fraud?


Because Florida needs help.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/07/nation/la-na-florida-20121108

Regards,

LelandJ



Nick Geti.


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Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win



On 11/12/2012 10:25 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote:

In Connecticut one has to show a drivers license with a photo ID on it.


There are many individual that are qualified to vote, that don't have 
a driver license.  A better system would be to key on a unique Voter 
ID, that is issued during registration; after, the individual is 
scrutinized to ensure eligibility.



No one complains about disenfranchising here about that. We also use 
a paper ballot containing for each candidate a circle that one 
darkens with a special pen. It is very fast and can be recounted if 
necessary.


If the individual qualifies during registration, it should not be 
necessary for the individual to show their registration papers at the 
registrar table and have the registrar look them up in paper list of 
registered voters.


If the individual's registration certificate contained the voter ID 
in both regular number format, and bar code format, the individual 
could proceed immediately to the voting both, where his voting 
certificate would be scanned.  The voting machines at each voting 
location could be networked together to check that the individual's 
voter id was valid and not previously used.  If so, the voting 
machine could unlock a touch screen to allow the individual to vote.


This kind of system could be used to let the system gradually 
transition to the internet, when the internet is ready to handle such 
a critical system.  Then the individual could comfortable vote by 
connecting to the internet from anywhere and casting his vote from 
his computer, notebook, tablet, laptop, etc.


Regards,

LelandJ


.


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Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Madigan
How is your wife, the llama, doing? 




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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

Wow!!!
CONVOLUTED
That's more than two syllables Mike, are you attending school again?
Congratulations! Good for you. You'll make us all proud.


El 12/11/12 08:21, Michael Madigan escribió:
 You can't possibly earn a living with that convoluted mind.



 
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 To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:51 AM
 Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

 You have an amazing ability to morph any comment, any fact and any
 information into redneck-speak.

 Enjoy FOUR MORE YEARS, because after that comes 8 years of Hillary Clinton.
 The republicans are unelectable.

 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
 Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 6:00 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

 So it's better to kill yourself by hanging or by slitting your wrists than
 by gunshot.  Gotcha.



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 To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
 Cc:
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:02 AM
 Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

 The astonishing thing is the 'thats a good result!' response. The ENTIRE gun
 deaths figures include accidents and suicides. The figure you quote is ONLY
 homicide.

 and its only 8-10 times per capita the rate in places like UK and australia.
 yep... guns really keep you safe!!!

 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
 Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:47 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

 Geoff is a slow learner.   We've posted this for him over and over.



 
 From: Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

 2010 numbers from the FBI says 8,775.


 Michael Oke, II
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 On Nov 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote:

 We had this debate and Im not going to do it again. We went to your
 own USA official statistics to confirm. You however wanted to use NRA
 figures and where's the surprise that they are orders of magnitude
 different?



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Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2012-11-12 Thread Ricardo Aráoz

Hey! I was congratulating you on your studies man!
Anyway there are no llamas here, that's in the Andes and I'm at sea level.
Well, I guess you haven't studied geography yet. But hold on!
Eventually you might even get an education. Good for you!



El 12/11/12 17:37, Michael Madigan escribió:

How is your wife, the llama, doing?




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To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:43 AM
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Wow!!!
CONVOLUTED
That's more than two syllables Mike, are you attending school again?
Congratulations! Good for you. You'll make us all proud.


El 12/11/12 08:21, Michael Madigan escribió:

You can't possibly earn a living with that convoluted mind.




From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:51 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

You have an amazing ability to morph any comment, any fact and any
information into redneck-speak.

Enjoy FOUR MORE YEARS, because after that comes 8 years of Hillary Clinton.
The republicans are unelectable.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 6:00 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

So it's better to kill yourself by hanging or by slitting your wrists than
by gunshot.  Gotcha.



- Original Message -
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:02 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

The astonishing thing is the 'thats a good result!' response. The ENTIRE gun
deaths figures include accidents and suicides. The figure you quote is ONLY
homicide.

and its only 8-10 times per capita the rate in places like UK and australia.
yep... guns really keep you safe!!!

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:47 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

Geoff is a slow learner.   We've posted this for him over and over.




From: Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] 140 people die in Sao Paulo in last two weeks

2010 numbers from the FBI says 8,775.


Michael Oke, II
661-349-6221

Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated
recipient.

On Nov 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM, geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote:


We had this debate and Im not going to do it again. We went to your
own USA official statistics to confirm. You however wanted to use NRA
figures and where's the surprise that they are orders of magnitude

different?





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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Nicholas Geti
We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So how 
are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?

Nick Geti
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On 11/12/2012 01:44 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:
You are totally ignoring the important fact that Obama and crew do not 
want voter ID. No how, no way. So why are you pounding on ways to prevent 
voter fraud?


Because Florida needs help.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/07/nation/la-na-florida-20121108

Regards,

LelandJ

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RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread geoff
Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem. Clearly
corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 8:56 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So how
are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
Nick Geti
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To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


 On 11/12/2012 01:44 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:
 You are totally ignoring the important fact that Obama and crew do 
 not want voter ID. No how, no way. So why are you pounding on ways to 
 prevent voter fraud?

 Because Florida needs help.

 http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/07/nation/la-na-florida-20121108

 Regards,

 LelandJ

. 


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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Nicholas Geti
You should do a better job of keeping up with the news. It is Obama and 
Holder who are pressing claims in court to block all voter ID requirements 
in the states: Arizona, Florida, and others. Look it up in Google.

Nick Geti

- Original Message - 
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au

To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem. 
Clearly

corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 8:56 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So 
how

are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
Nick Geti
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From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

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Re: The - VFP is Old Tech Complaint...

2012-11-12 Thread Rafael Copquin

Hi Kurt

Also, I've done the Visual type screen design - where I drop one or 
more DBF's into the Env. on a Form - which allows me to easily do 
DragDrop to layout the screen design. I suspect that with an SQL 
backend - you can't do that at all...


I developed two forms: one that converts my dbf's, indexes and 
constraints directly into MS SQL tables, and the other one just passes 
the data from the dbf tables to the new SQL tables. I do not use the VFP 
upsizing wizard, because I am that kind of geek who likes to have 
absolute control on things.


What I usually do is create the tables and their indexes in VFP and 
then, when I need to create data entry forms, I use those tables in the 
DE to just drag-drop the fields. Afterwards I simply remove the tables 
from the DE and do the programming using MS SQL server as a back end. 
Using the above forms, I recreate the tables in the SQL backend, by just 
clicking on a button.


I use sql pass through or cursor adapters in the same app, as the need 
arises. When I use cursor adapters I just rename the tables loaded in 
the DE with the name of the CA cursor or the cursor obtained using SPT, 
as for instance the customers table is renamed in the DE as 
curCustomers. Then I drag the fields and finally I remove the tables 
from the DE.


In the form, I create the cursor adapter as curCustomers, and it is all 
very straight forward.


In addition, I developed special classes to create cursor adapters, 
retrieve the newly created PK from the SQL tables to be used as a 
foreign key, save using SPT, etc. I even developed a routine that 
enables you to use the NAME clause of the INSERT command in VFP to 
update a SQL table. I uploaded this routine to Ed's download area. It 
parses the insert into mysqltable from name oSQLTable and creates a 
construct that can be used as a parameter to the SQLExec function.


I have been programming in DBase languages since 1987 and am too old now 
to spend years learning .NET and achieve the speed and proficiency I 
have in VFP. Most of my clients need desktop apps and whenever there is 
need for web access, I subcontract that part of the work with 
specialized programmers. It works very well, because the client remains 
with me, no fear to loose it to my associate, and I am able to provide a 
comprehensive service to my client.


VFP may be dead for new young programmers, but for us oldies it is still 
alive and kicking. Someone spoke in another post of the fact that the 
client needs a solution to his needs and doesn't give a s... as to what 
language the app is programmed in. As a matter of fact, most of them 
haven't got a clue on what the heck a computer language is anyways. At 
least the kind of people I deal with in this country (small to medium 
sized businesses). Of course, when you are talking big corps, that's 
something else. But I make my living from the small companies, so .


My advice to you is to consider the client's needs and try to provide 
the best solution you can with the tools you know best. If the 
requirements involve knowledge you don't have, it is better to pay for 
the expertise, as long as you control the whole picture.


My two pesos (cheaper than US dollars :-) )

Rafael Copquin




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RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread geoff
I dont care who does what. That's the game your two idiotic parties play all
the time - the blame game. How about just FIX it and maybe the rest of the
world won't mock your electoral 'system'.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 9:10 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

You should do a better job of keeping up with the news. It is Obama and
Holder who are pressing claims in court to block all voter ID requirements
in the states: Arizona, Florida, and others. Look it up in Google.
Nick Geti

- Original Message -
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


 Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem. 
 Clearly
 corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.

 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 8:56 AM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

 We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So 
 how
 are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
 Nick Geti
 - Original Message -
 From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Madigan
Voter fraud is exclusively a Democratic problem.   


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To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

I dont care who does what. That's the game your two idiotic parties play all
the time - the blame game. How about just FIX it and maybe the rest of the
world won't mock your electoral 'system'.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 9:10 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

You should do a better job of keeping up with the news. It is Obama and
Holder who are pressing claims in court to block all voter ID requirements
in the states: Arizona, Florida, and others. Look it up in Google.
Nick Geti

- Original Message -
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


 Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem. 
 Clearly
 corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.

 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 8:56 AM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

 We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So 
 how
 are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
 Nick Geti
 - Original Message -
 From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win[excessive quoting removed 
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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Madigan
It's tough having an argument with Geoff since he is so misinformed on general 
knowledge.  


- Original Message -
From: Nicholas Geti ng...@optonline.net
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

You should do a better job of keeping up with the news. It is Obama and Holder 
who are pressing claims in court to block all voter ID requirements in the 
states: Arizona, Florida, and others. Look it up in Google.
Nick Geti

- Original Message - From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


 Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem. Clearly
 corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 8:56 AM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
 
 We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So how
 are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
 Nick Geti
 - Original Message -
 From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
 
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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Ricardo Aráoz

El 12/11/12 22:31, Michael Madigan escribió:

It's tough having an argument with Geoff since he is so misinformed on general 
knowledge.



Whereas you are only misinformed on particular knowledge.
...
..
.
Particular to human beings I mean.


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Re: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-12 Thread GaryT

Many thanks, Tracy.

One family member has been able to load that page, so it looks 
promising.  We'll get our donation in well before the deadline.


From what I've been told Ed, you'll meet your target.
Gary Taig


On 12/11/12 23:59, Tracy Pearson wrote:



I was able to reach the Australian site. The link Ed have redirects to
this for me. Perhaps this link will work better for you.
http://www.cff.org/LWC/dsp_donationPage.cfm?idEvent=21008idUser=599885
Tracy





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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Nicholas Geti
Yes. It is easy to say just do it when the very parties who are blocking 
things are also in control of deciding whether to do it. Geoff doesn't see 
that as a problem. Just do it. I would like to but I would need some 
powerful weapons to go to Florida and tell them what I want to do. LOL.



- Original Message - 
From: Michael Madigan mmadi10...@yahoo.com

To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


It's tough having an argument with Geoff since he is so misinformed on 
general knowledge.



- Original Message -
From: Nicholas Geti ng...@optonline.net
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

You should do a better job of keeping up with the news. It is Obama and 
Holder who are pressing claims in court to block all voter ID requirements 
in the states: Arizona, Florida, and others. Look it up in Google.

Nick Geti

- Original Message - From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem. 
Clearly

corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 8:56 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So 
how

are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
Nick Geti
- Original Message -
From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


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RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread geoff
Maybe it starts with people like you just refusing to accept the pathetic
standard. As it stands at the moment it appears Americans just accept long
lines and voter fraud. Perhaps you get want you deserve. the old saying you
deserve what you tolerate is fitting here.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 4:38 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

Yes. It is easy to say just do it when the very parties who are blocking
things are also in control of deciding whether to do it. Geoff doesn't see
that as a problem. Just do it. I would like to but I would need some
powerful weapons to go to Florida and tell them what I want to do. LOL.


- Original Message -
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To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


It's tough having an argument with Geoff since he is so misinformed on 
general knowledge.


- Original Message -
From: Nicholas Geti ng...@optonline.net
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

You should do a better job of keeping up with the news. It is Obama and 
Holder who are pressing claims in court to block all voter ID requirements 
in the states: Arizona, Florida, and others. Look it up in Google.
Nick Geti

- Original Message - From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


 Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem. 
 Clearly
 corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.

 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 8:56 AM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

 We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So 
 how
 are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
 Nick Geti
 - Original Message -
 From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Madigan
We try Voter ID laws and your friends, the Blacks, complain about voter 
suppression.


- Original Message -
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

Maybe it starts with people like you just refusing to accept the pathetic
standard. As it stands at the moment it appears Americans just accept long
lines and voter fraud. Perhaps you get want you deserve. the old saying you
deserve what you tolerate is fitting here.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 4:38 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

Yes. It is easy to say just do it when the very parties who are blocking
things are also in control of deciding whether to do it. Geoff doesn't see
that as a problem. Just do it. I would like to but I would need some
powerful weapons to go to Florida and tell them what I want to do. LOL.


- Original Message -
From: Michael Madigan mmadi10...@yahoo.com
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


It's tough having an argument with Geoff since he is so misinformed on 
general knowledge.


- Original Message -
From: Nicholas Geti ng...@optonline.net
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

You should do a better job of keeping up with the news. It is Obama and 
Holder who are pressing claims in court to block all voter ID requirements 
in the states: Arizona, Florida, and others. Look it up in Google.
Nick Geti

- Original Message - From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


 Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem. 
 Clearly
 corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.

 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 8:56 AM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

 We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So 
 how
 are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
 Nick Geti
 - Original Message -
 From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

.

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RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread geoff
Maybe because the last time you redneck whites tried 'ID registration' you
tattooed it on them. And let's face it, given the chance you would again.
Maybe thats why they dont trust you?

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 5:25 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

We try Voter ID laws and your friends, the Blacks, complain about voter
suppression.


- Original Message -
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

Maybe it starts with people like you just refusing to accept the pathetic
standard. As it stands at the moment it appears Americans just accept long
lines and voter fraud. Perhaps you get want you deserve. the old saying you
deserve what you tolerate is fitting here.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 4:38 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

Yes. It is easy to say just do it when the very parties who are blocking
things are also in control of deciding whether to do it. Geoff doesn't see
that as a problem. Just do it. I would like to but I would need some
powerful weapons to go to Florida and tell them what I want to do. LOL.


- Original Message -
From: Michael Madigan mmadi10...@yahoo.com
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


It's tough having an argument with Geoff since he is so misinformed on
general knowledge.


- Original Message -
From: Nicholas Geti ng...@optonline.net
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

You should do a better job of keeping up with the news. It is Obama and 
Holder who are pressing claims in court to block all voter ID requirements 
in the states: Arizona, Florida, and others. Look it up in Google.
Nick Geti

- Original Message - From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


 Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem. 
 Clearly
 corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.

 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 8:56 AM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

 We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So 
 how
 are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
 Nick Geti
 - Original Message -
 From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

.

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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Madigan
What a tool you are.  


- Original Message -
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:01 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

Maybe because the last time you redneck whites tried 'ID registration' you
tattooed it on them. And let's face it, given the chance you would again.
Maybe thats why they dont trust you?

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 5:25 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

We try Voter ID laws and your friends, the Blacks, complain about voter
suppression.


- Original Message -
From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

Maybe it starts with people like you just refusing to accept the pathetic
standard. As it stands at the moment it appears Americans just accept long
lines and voter fraud. Perhaps you get want you deserve. the old saying you
deserve what you tolerate is fitting here.

-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 4:38 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

Yes. It is easy to say just do it when the very parties who are blocking
things are also in control of deciding whether to do it. Geoff doesn't see
that as a problem. Just do it. I would like to but I would need some
powerful weapons to go to Florida and tell them what I want to do. LOL.


- Original Message -
From: Michael Madigan mmadi10...@yahoo.com
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


It's tough having an argument with Geoff since he is so misinformed on
general knowledge.


- Original Message -
From: Nicholas Geti ng...@optonline.net
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

You should do a better job of keeping up with the news. It is Obama and 
Holder who are pressing claims in court to block all voter ID requirements 
in the states: Arizona, Florida, and others. Look it up in Google.
Nick Geti

- Original Message - From: geoff data...@adam.com.au
To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win


 Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem. 
 Clearly
 corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.

 -Original Message-
 From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 8:56 AM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

 We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So 
 how
 are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
 Nick Geti
 - Original Message -
 From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win
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