Re: [libreoffice-projects] QA laptop at FOSDEM

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On 01/15/2015 06:45 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hello,

Florian Reisinger has no use anymore for the TDF QA laptop. The 
battery was broken as well, and I'm now waiting for the repair to ship 
to my place.


Before I just put it in the office and wait for some sensible use - is 
there anyone who can make use of a


Acer TravelMate P253-E-B9604G50Mnks 39,6 cm (15,6 Zoll non Glare) 
Notebook (Intel Pentium B960, 2,2GHz, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, Intel HD, 
DVD, without operating system)


preferably for QA reasons, as it was paid for by this budget? Note the 
device has a German (QWERTZ) keyboard layout.


I am not sure if it arrives in time, but if so, I could try handing it 
over at FOSDEM. It will stay TDF-owned, but can be borrowed to anyone 
who can make a good use of it for TDF purposes.


Florian




Florian. . . .
I think you might be surprised on how low priced 3rd party batteries can 
be for laptops.  I have bought replacement batteries for an HP laptop 
and a Dell laptop.  For the Dell, I was able to get a 9-cell battery for 
half the price [plus warranty] than what the OEM 6-cell battery would 
have cost me.


Hopefully you find a good "home"/user for it.



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice For Schools

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We have the current "Getting Started Guide".  Take that and expand it to 
make it look/feel more like a text book.  There has to be some 
textbook-like books in you local [larger] book store you can browse 
through.  I know I saw some a few years ago for MSO that gave examples 
and questions and answers after each chapter.


All of our guides - the Math one as well - could be expanded to look 
more like a text book.  It would take some time and effort, but starting 
with the "getting started" and "Math" guides would be a start.


I wish I had the time to try my hand at it.  Maybe later.


On 03/21/2014 01:37 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote:

What existing texts can we use to base this on? I was sent some links to open 
textbooks the other day...

Chris

Sent from my iPad

On 21/03/2014, at 11:12 AM, "Webmaster for Lungstrom.com" 
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On 03/20/2014 08:54 AM, Antanas Budriūnas wrote:

2014-03-15 6:56 GMT+02:00  :

Is anyone interested in creating a LibreOffice for Education Text Book project?

This can and probably should be setup as its own working group.

The California Open Source Textbook Project http://www.opensourcetext.org/
Is currently seeking Open Source Text Books for The California Public Schools
K-12. They require the material to be presented in a Text Book style. This
would be a good way to get LibreOffice into Word Processing Classes in
California High Schools as well as schools around the world.

College Open Text Book http://www.collegeopentextbooks.org/ Is also seeking
Text Books for use in Colleges, This would be a good opportunity to get
LibreOffice into College's across the US!

Open Text Book Library is another College Initiative
http://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/ as well.

There are quite a few more of these organizations that partnerships could be
established with as well.

I have been seeing a number for these popping up and I have seen some that
will pay $20,000 USD for Creative Commons Text Book Donations late last year
which could be used to help fund the this working group. Community developed
software with educational community developed Course-ware would work out
pretty well.

These initiatives would require producing a full text book with exercises etc.

As The LibreOffice Software already has an unbeatable low cost all we are
missing to take over the education sector is unbeatable low cost course-ware
to go with it.

Establishing a full LibreOffice For Education program with the goals of not only
producing the text books but also full courses and possibly Moodle course
ware, Produced courses could even potentially be made available at edX
https://www.edx.org/ (Which has a Free Into To Linux Course this year for
those who have not registered for it yet.) It is a $2,400 course normally
taught by The Linux Foundation.

The subject is indeed very important and TDF should pay serious
attention toward this.
Situation in many countries are heavely influenced by MS lobbyists.
Fortunately the K-12 curriculum in Lithuania's state education system
is open to software alternatives. I know personally few teachers
(including myself) which has choosen LibreOffice as an office
applications teaching base.
10 years ago even a paper text book was published in Lithuania
containing explanations and examples with MS Office and OpenOffice in
parallel. Now sadly it is in significant part outdated and currently
we have no full range replacement.
The situation could be comparable in other European countries and
maybe wider in the world.

Such thoughts so far.


Antanas Budriūnas

We need these LO school books.

We get the kids while they are young and then they grow up and use LO as they 
"grow", in school and out of school.

To be honest, if LO does not do this, do you want to bet that AOO might not as well?  We need to 
stay ahead of the market in this respect and see what is needed to rewrite the chapters of the 
"Getting Started Guide" and make them work for the educational environment, with 
activities and such, plus some testing after each chapter.  Then have a "teacher's guide" 
with more samples of tests and such that would be helpful to a teacher, or a parent.

I worked as a substitute teacher for a few years and I know that it can be hard to "get ideas" for 
activities and tests for a teacher that does not know the subject "well".  I had to do that for a 
little less than two months in the first every Forensics course a high school [10-12th grades] tried in my 
area when their teacher was late or even "hung over" too many mornings over the first 3 weeks of 
class.  There were nothing to help, mostly.  No activities to do in class and almost no real test questions 
in the whole book that would work for this level of students.

So we need to make enough helpful materials for a teacher and the students as we can make and be a part of an 
"electronic" copy of a book - 

Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice For Schools

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On 03/20/2014 08:54 AM, Antanas Budriūnas wrote:

2014-03-15 6:56 GMT+02:00  :

Is anyone interested in creating a LibreOffice for Education Text Book project?

This can and probably should be setup as its own working group.

The California Open Source Textbook Project http://www.opensourcetext.org/
Is currently seeking Open Source Text Books for The California Public Schools
K-12. They require the material to be presented in a Text Book style. This
would be a good way to get LibreOffice into Word Processing Classes in
California High Schools as well as schools around the world.

College Open Text Book http://www.collegeopentextbooks.org/ Is also seeking
Text Books for use in Colleges, This would be a good opportunity to get
LibreOffice into College's across the US!

Open Text Book Library is another College Initiative
http://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/ as well.

There are quite a few more of these organizations that partnerships could be
established with as well.

I have been seeing a number for these popping up and I have seen some that
will pay $20,000 USD for Creative Commons Text Book Donations late last year
which could be used to help fund the this working group. Community developed
software with educational community developed Course-ware would work out
pretty well.

These initiatives would require producing a full text book with exercises etc.

As The LibreOffice Software already has an unbeatable low cost all we are
missing to take over the education sector is unbeatable low cost course-ware
to go with it.

Establishing a full LibreOffice For Education program with the goals of not only
producing the text books but also full courses and possibly Moodle course
ware, Produced courses could even potentially be made available at edX
https://www.edx.org/ (Which has a Free Into To Linux Course this year for
those who have not registered for it yet.) It is a $2,400 course normally
taught by The Linux Foundation.

The subject is indeed very important and TDF should pay serious
attention toward this.
Situation in many countries are heavely influenced by MS lobbyists.
Fortunately the K-12 curriculum in Lithuania's state education system
is open to software alternatives. I know personally few teachers
(including myself) which has choosen LibreOffice as an office
applications teaching base.
10 years ago even a paper text book was published in Lithuania
containing explanations and examples with MS Office and OpenOffice in
parallel. Now sadly it is in significant part outdated and currently
we have no full range replacement.
The situation could be comparable in other European countries and
maybe wider in the world.

Such thoughts so far.


Antanas Budriūnas



We need these LO school books.

We get the kids while they are young and then they grow up and use LO as 
they "grow", in school and out of school.


To be honest, if LO does not do this, do you want to bet that AOO might 
not as well?  We need to stay ahead of the market in this respect and 
see what is needed to rewrite the chapters of the "Getting Started 
Guide" and make them work for the educational environment, with 
activities and such, plus some testing after each chapter.  Then have a 
"teacher's guide" with more samples of tests and such that would be 
helpful to a teacher, or a parent.


I worked as a substitute teacher for a few years and I know that it can 
be hard to "get ideas" for activities and tests for a teacher that does 
not know the subject "well".  I had to do that for a little less than 
two months in the first every Forensics course a high school [10-12th 
grades] tried in my area when their teacher was late or even "hung over" 
too many mornings over the first 3 weeks of class.  There were nothing 
to help, mostly.  No activities to do in class and almost no real test 
questions in the whole book that would work for this level of students.


So we need to make enough helpful materials for a teacher and the 
students as we can make and be a part of an "electronic" copy of a book 
- i.e. PDF file.  Maybe have larger format documents and "things" in a 
"education" web site for learning LO as the core of the information.  
Things that would help the students, teachers, and parents.  Yes, 
parents since I know many home school kids with some relatives included.







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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Linux installation guide on the site

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Do we still need to remove/purge the last version of LO for a DEB install?
You use to.


On 01/02/2014 06:20 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi Charles, *,

Am 30.12.2013 18:53 schrieb "Charles-H. Schulz" <
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org>:

I am redoing it for the new website but I think some of the info there
needs update.

I'd go for a command line only instructions, as people don't necessarily
know that nautilus is the file manager or use gnome...

And the desktop-integration subdirectory is no more. There's only the
freedesktop-menus rpm (and the Debian one for the Debs)


Any guidance appreciated, otherwise I'll rewrite it
entirely, but it will be shorter.

Shorter is better. Strip the how to download stuff..

* open terminal
* extract the downloaded tar balls (tar -xf filename) (all at once)
* install RPMs. Just use plain rpm, no need to use system specific tool as
there are no dependencies that need to be resolved:
rpm -Uhv LibreOffice*/RPMS/*.rpm

Done.
Replace the last line with the corresponding deb command.

Ciao
Christian




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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.5 RC2 available

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4.0.5 still has the desktop integration .deb file in its own folder.  I
just installed it the day 4.0.5 came out.

4.1.0 is the version that integrated the desktop .deb file within the
main install .deb file set.  Although I have not installed 4.1.0 on a
Debian-based system yet, just a Windows one. 

So maybe there should be some documentation in the wiki, or at least the
linked page to the Linux setup instructions stating that 4.0.x should
use the extra step, while 4.1.x does not.

On 08/25/2013 07:24 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Ubuntu users can use the same resources as everyone else to get the full 
> range of localisations.  
>
>
> Their PPA's are an additional resource but Ubuntu Users (such as me) could go 
> to the main LibreOffice website (as i do) to get all the latest stuff.  
>
>
> I think there are even instructions somewhere although when i just had a 
> quick look they weren't as obvious as i had hoped.  Apparently most 
> instructions still sy to install the "desktop integration" packages 
> afterwards but those have now been cleverly pulled into the main install so 
> you don't have to do that 2nd part anymore.  It's just the help packages to 
> get the in-built help and maybe the appropriate language pack.  
>
>
> So, don't worry too much about the PPAs but if reasonably possible please get 
> them to signpost people to the official LibreOffice website.  
>
> Regards from 
> Tom :)  
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Mihkel Tõnnov 
> To: LibreOffice ; libreoffice-l10n 
> ; projects@global.libreoffice.org; 
> libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org; bjoern.michael...@canonical.com 
> Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013, 12:49
> Subject: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 
> 4.0.5 RC2 available
>  
>
> 2013/8/23 bjoern 
>
>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 05:02:01PM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
>>> The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
>>> builds download page at
>>>
>>>   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
>> and users of Ubuntu 13.04 (raring) find a build in the LibreOffice 4.0
>> ppa at:
>>
>>
>> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-4-0?field.series_filter=raring
>>
>>
> Hi all,
>
> Is there any reason why these PPAs only contain localisations into a select
> few locales?
>
> Best regards,
> Mihkel
>


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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.5 RC2 available

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On 08/23/2013 07:49 AM, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote:
> 2013/8/23 bjoern 
>
>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 05:02:01PM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
>>> The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
>>> builds download page at
>>>
>>>   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
>> and users of Ubuntu 13.04 (raring) find a build in the LibreOffice 4.0
>> ppa at:
>>
>>
>> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-4-0?field.series_filter=raring
>>
>>
> Hi all,
>
> Is there any reason why these PPAs only contain localisations into a select
> few locales?
>
> Best regards,
> Mihkel
>

I am wondering about why you are using PPAs instead of downloading and
installing LO directly?  Yes there is some "ease of use" to have the
newest LO version[s] in an repository-like option, but how hard is it to
just use a Terminal to install LO?  That is the only way I have been
installing LO, since it first came out all those year ago, on my Ubuntu
systems.

AS for the "locales selection", it would be nice to know which ones you
want to see.  With so many locales to choose from, I think the PPA
people decided to list the ones that they thought were "popular".  That
is just a guess of course.

As a person who has created a DVD .iso of the LO installs for
distribution, it is hard to list a lot of locales and have links to them
in the language and help pack section of the install page.  I had to
choose the ones I thought would be most used in my region of the world. 
I have been thinking about adding a number of them on the disc that are
not listed, but told you can find them on the DVD in such-n-such
folder.  But there are how many locales?  Over 100?  I already download
about 90 install files.  I would have to download over 1000 more files
to get all of the language and help packs onto my disc for all of the
install versions, i.e. Windows, MacOSX [Intel and PPC], Linux [DEB and
RPM].  That is a lot of work.  I do not have the ability to copy" the
entire set of folders that contain all of the install files and their
packs., so I would have to download all 1000+ files one at a time.  That
is a lot of work.





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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Member badges

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It would be nice to have some "badge of service" for your efforts in 
supporting LO.


I do not know about the color to number option.  There are so many ways 
to "pad" your numbers.  How can you decide that the person is really 
doing edits to "fix" content or they are just doing things to add to 
his/her editing numbers.  Is there already a way to show how many posts 
to support threads?  To pad them, a person may give the OP the same 
answer as someone else or just give advise that was meant to pad their 
numbers instead of helping the people that use the lists for support.


For the Project badge, how can a person make it to a gold color? Do 
projects like the NA-DVD get credited, or will there be a list of 
acceptable projects to be involved with?


Would past "service" be accredited to the badge system or will everyone 
start from "zero"?


There will be a lot of things that will need to be worked out for the 
badge "system", especially if you are going to do a color change.


I do like the badge design though.



On 07/14/2013 11:48 AM, Florian Reisinger wrote:

Hi,

I really like the idea (IMHO green -> gold could be quite difficult to
select the group in specific areas, especially if someone is not
contributing steadily... Any ideas on that. The artwork itself is
great :). )

Liebe Grüße, / Yours,
Florian Reisinger

Am 14.07.2013 um 15:48 schrieb K-J LibreOffice :


Hi all,
after there was a very, very old thread [1] on my todo list and after there was 
a call for a logo for certified developer [2] I started to develop some badges 
[3] based on one of Nik's ideas.

It would be good for TDF Members to have a badge they can display on
their webpages, T-Shirts, other marketing material etc. And there could be some 
other badges to display the contributions and so the meritocracy.

Now I will start the discussion about using the badges [3] (as official badges 
and logos). Talking about design should be on another thread: [2] for certified 
developer, [4] for the rest.

I'm starting the discussion here on projetcs-ml, because it is a thread for the 
whole project but not only for marketing or design.

[1] http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg12492.html
[2] http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05900.html
[3] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Badges#Proposal_by_User:k-j
[4] http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05874.html

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Re: [libreoffice-projects] How to contribute to LibreOffice: a digest with pointers

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On 11/16/2012 12:32 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Hi,

Sophie Gautier from the Membership Committee has written a series of
articles on how to become a contributor to LibreOffice without being a
developer (nor becoming one). I have sampled them in a digest for
convenience and I hope it will help :

http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2012/11/16/sgauti-digest/

Best,
Charles-H. Schulz.



I would like to see more Regional Language DVD available for users at 
the LO site.  The LibreOffice-Box and the North American Community DVD 
Project are the only two DVDs that are found on, as far as I know, that 
are available to users for downloading.


LO is supporting 100 languages, but right now German and English DVDs 
are it.  It would be nice tohave links to Spanish, French, Italian, and 
other "major languages" around the world, DVDs dedicated for users in 
those languages.  There may be projects out there for regional version 
of such DVDs, but I do not know how our users could find them or 
download an ISO file for them.


Creating a regional DVD and posting the ISO file online for our users to 
download -IS- one of the many ways to help support LibreOffice around 
the world.


So, this is my call to all users in other regions of the world to help 
their regional users by creating a DVD for them.


http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=box&version=3.6.3
for NA-DVD [in English] with 3.6.3 installs

http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=box&version=3.6.2
for NA-DVD [in English] with 3.6.2 installs
for LibreOffice-Box [in German] with 3.6.2 installs

http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=box&version=3.5.7
For the DVDs for the last of the 3.5 line.



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] was there going to be any new portable version for the 3.5 line?

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On 09/17/2012 03:37 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Hi webmaster-Kracked_P_P, *,

Am 13.09.2012 18:53 schrieb webmaster-Kracked_P_P:


I was wondering about if there was going to be a 3.5.6 or 3.5.7
version of the Portable version for LO.
I see that the different sites now show 3.6.1 portable.  Since there
still is work being done on the 3.5.x line, I was hoping that there
would still be work done on that line's portable versions.

You might contact John T Haller with this. I'll pass You his mail addres
by private Mail as I don't know whether he wants to see the one I have
appear in a public mailinglist.

[..]

Gruß/regards


Thanks

It would be nice to have a newer 3.5.x version than 3.5.5 for LO 
Portable when I create my final 3.5.x line DVD when 3.5.7 comes out next 
month.


After that, I will start working on the 3.6.x line DVD, so the 3.6.x 
portables will be needed.




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Call for Location of the LibreOffice Conferences 2012 and 2013

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I would not mind seeing one for the conferences in the USA.  Maybe a 
regional one for the USA.  That way people on this side of the globe 
will not think everything is done in Europe.



On 10/19/2011 01:27 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi Charles, *;

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Charles-H. Schulz
  wrote:

The Call for location for the years 2012 and 2013 of the LibreOffice
Conferences as been published. More details here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation

We look forward reading your proposals!

Do we have a banner for that to put on the main www.libreoffice.org
instead of the mime-icon banner?
(width 440px, height around 64px)

ciao
Christian




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: Dictionary Files for the extension site ( was Re: en_US dictionary with April 19 2011 .dic file, plus French updates possible as well] )

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On 07/03/2011 06:51 AM, Olivier R. wrote:

Hello everyone,


drewjensen wrote:

webmaster Krackedpress/Lungstrom wrote this:

Three of French dictionaries have not been uploaded, do to it slipping
through cracks in my memory after I downloaded the newest ones.  I was
going to manually update the French ones with the newest .dic word list
files, since OpenOffice.org's site was offline more often than running.
Then a few weeks later, that site was up enough for me to grab as many
of the updated dictionaries as I could.


The French dictionaries are also available here :
http://www.dicollecte.org/grammalecte/telecharger.php

I will release the versions 4.2 tonight or tomorrow.

Regards,
Olivier R.

I have the 4.1 but I had not added them to the list yet.  I forgot to do 
it.


Well if 4.2 is coming out soon, then that would be great.  I will get them.

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Re: [libreoffice-projects] NA-DVD CMS access - Doc and dictionary files

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On 07/02/2011 08:24 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:

On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 07:49 -0400, Webmaster for Lungstrom.com wrote:

OK
I have uploaded to my server [
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/documentation.html ]
the newest French dictionaries and the Full book for the Calc Guide.

OK


The documentation.html file on that server shows the addition
but the dictionary list does not show the 4.1 French dictionaries.

Do you want me to work on those files?

How do you deal with the controls in German?

It's in English for me...maybe you have German set in your account
profile. Next time I login I'll look and change it to English if you do,
or you can if you get there first.


Well I had a hard time getting to the point where I could edit my profile.
I had set the Local for US English, but somehow it went back to German.

I now see English for the controls.

That system will not Translate with Google's system.

No not when it is embedded controls on the page, it will not.

//drew



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[libreoffice-projects] NA-DVD CMS access - Doc and dictionary files

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

OK
I have uploaded to my server [ 
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/documentation.html ]

the newest French dictionaries and the Full book for the Calc Guide.

The documentation.html file on that server shows the addition
but the dictionary list does not show the 4.1 French dictionaries.

Do you want me to work on those files?

How do you deal with the controls in German?
That system will not Translate with Google's system.



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[libreoffice-projects] a look at the French dictionary Look - with updates and originals

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

Here is a image file that shows the type of display of the dictionaries 
with original and updated versions.


I wanted to give the users the ability to choose which version they want 
to use AND let them know that they might have been using the older 
version of the dictionaries.


For French/Français, "we" have access to
original  - 4.0 versions
updated - 4.1 versions
other -  two that are not one of the four that have updates.

http://libreoffice-na.us/french-clip.jpg

Let me know what you think.


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Re: [libreoffice-projects] [NA-DVD] Day 14 (of 21) - Files to the server

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

On 07/01/2011 12:59 PM, drew wrote:

On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:46 -0400, Webmaster for Lungstrom.com wrote:

On 07/01/2011 11:30 AM, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:07 -0400, Webmaster for Lungstrom.com wrote:

On 06/30/2011 03:46 PM, drew wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick note.

Moved, what I think are, the remaining files to 'the parking lot' server
and dashed off a note to Erich.

Will get back into HTML page fun later this evening, and will post an
email here again when I'm ready to call it quits for the night.

7 days to go - can we do it?

Thanks,

//drew

The documentation page does not have the full book for Calc listed.
I just noticed that .odt and .pdf files are now online on the LO doc page.
Do you want to add those links to the CMS server pages?
I will be doing so for the .NA.us site sometime soon so it keeps
up-to-date.

Hi,

Yes, let's get the LibreOffice Calc guide in place on both servers.

If you want to get it up to the libo-na.us server i'll move it over to
the CMS server and link that in from the get go.


/drew

Will do so this weekend.  Do you want me to place them in a new folder
for you or just do the uploading to the proper folders?
I wonder about adding a link to the documentation page for the printed
Lulu book[s] that is[are] referenced on the LO document page[s]?

Also should our install page have German language added to it?  That is
the only one that is missing that is common for the NA region, I think.
Also the installs are currently 3.3.2, so should it be updated to 3.3.3?

I suppose - when you asked this the other day I think I misunderstood
and thought you meant a full set of HTML pages in German but you just
mean a section on the one page - that would be fine IMO.


No, just adding the German language and help packs to the install page.

I can do the work and email it to you, until I get an account for the
server.  I can also add the updated French and German[?] to the pages
that was asked for by Florian and the others.

I would rather you did not do that - that pages are being changed over
to work with SilverStripe and far enough along now that I would like to
just work in the one environment.

I was thinking about working on the pages I can save via the browser and 
work on those.  I can do the editing of the files to add the files and 
such, then email the edited files and the needed likes to you.  It will 
be the CMS files that are edited.



-

Since there is now the second line for navigation;
would you like me to split the Extension page to Extensions.html and
Dictionaries.html?

Maybe - we can look at that - but right now I just want to get what we
had there and linked properly. I'm moving things around in backend
(different directory structure), after that a split would be fairly
easy.

I will work on the current page[s] and see what is needed to make the 
changes.  Then when the new folders are used, I can do the work on those 
files with the ideas worked out on earlier.

The newer style of the dictionaries layout I created looks better than
the old one you are using.
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/extensions.html#dict

I made the the look where you do not keep stating the language for every
row if it is the same on the next line.  It makes the reading much
better.  I added green dotted lines as well, to see if that helps.  But
what I can do it just take the saved file from the browser and make two
copies.  One where the dictionaries are removed and the other where the
extensions are.  I would add the new navigation option to those pages as
well.

---

So who do I contact to get the account for helping get the editing done
without having to save from the browser and then email the results to you?

Go go

http://libreofficebox.org/forums

Make an account and that is used for your credentials - just drop me an
email when you are done and I'll move your account into the correct
group.


//drew

Krackedpress - is the nickname.

I hope I got it correct since half of the page was in German and would 
not translate via the system I have.


Let me know what you need from me to do the moving to the "correct group".




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] [NA-DVD] Day 14 (of 21) - Files to the server

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

On 07/01/2011 11:30 AM, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:07 -0400, Webmaster for Lungstrom.com wrote:

On 06/30/2011 03:46 PM, drew wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick note.

Moved, what I think are, the remaining files to 'the parking lot' server
and dashed off a note to Erich.

Will get back into HTML page fun later this evening, and will post an
email here again when I'm ready to call it quits for the night.

7 days to go - can we do it?

Thanks,

//drew

The documentation page does not have the full book for Calc listed.
I just noticed that .odt and .pdf files are now online on the LO doc page.
Do you want to add those links to the CMS server pages?
I will be doing so for the .NA.us site sometime soon so it keeps
up-to-date.

Hi,

Yes, let's get the LibreOffice Calc guide in place on both servers.

If you want to get it up to the libo-na.us server i'll move it over to
the CMS server and link that in from the get go.


/drew


Will do so this weekend.  Do you want me to place them in a new folder 
for you or just do the uploading to the proper folders?
I wonder about adding a link to the documentation page for the printed 
Lulu book[s] that is[are] referenced on the LO document page[s]?


Also should our install page have German language added to it?  That is 
the only one that is missing that is common for the NA region, I think.  
Also the installs are currently 3.3.2, so should it be updated to 3.3.3?


I can do the work and email it to you, until I get an account for the 
server.  I can also add the updated French and German[?] to the pages 
that was asked for by Florian and the others.


-

Since there is now the second line for navigation;
would you like me to split the Extension page to Extensions.html and 
Dictionaries.html?


The newer style of the dictionaries layout I created looks better than 
the old one you are using.

http://libreoffice-na.us/English/extensions.html#dict

I made the the look where you do not keep stating the language for every 
row if it is the same on the next line.  It makes the reading much 
better.  I added green dotted lines as well, to see if that helps.  But 
what I can do it just take the saved file from the browser and make two 
copies.  One where the dictionaries are removed and the other where the 
extensions are.  I would add the new navigation option to those pages as 
well.


---

So who do I contact to get the account for helping get the editing done 
without having to save from the browser and then email the results to you?






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Re: [libreoffice-projects] [NA-DVD] Day 14 (of 21) - Files to the server

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

On 06/30/2011 03:46 PM, drew wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick note.

Moved, what I think are, the remaining files to 'the parking lot' server
and dashed off a note to Erich.

Will get back into HTML page fun later this evening, and will post an
email here again when I'm ready to call it quits for the night.

7 days to go - can we do it?

Thanks,

//drew

The documentation page does not have the full book for Calc listed.
I just noticed that .odt and .pdf files are now online on the LO doc page.
Do you want to add those links to the CMS server pages?
I will be doing so for the .NA.us site sometime soon so it keeps 
up-to-date.







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Re: [libreoffice-projects] [NA-DVD] Day 14 (of 21) - Files to the server

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

On 06/30/2011 03:46 PM, drew wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick note.

Moved, what I think are, the remaining files to 'the parking lot' server
and dashed off a note to Erich.

Will get back into HTML page fun later this evening, and will post an
email here again when I'm ready to call it quits for the night.

7 days to go - can we do it?

Thanks,

//drew


Could you relink the NA site to this email thread?
I had it on the browser and it kept saying server errors or 404 errors, 
or some other problem.

I would like the link so I can get it again.




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [us-marketing] [NA-DVD] Day 8 (of 21)

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

On 06/30/2011 12:21 PM, drew wrote:

Hi Tim,

On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 11:42 -0400, Webmaster for Lungstrom.com wrote:

On 06/30/2011 10:02 AM, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 09:29 -0400, Webmaster for Lungstrom.com wrote:

I have been real sick since Friday, so I just started reading some of
the emails.


Here is the directory files as I have it now on my computer.  All the
dictionary files have .dic dates included in their file names.
You will also have to do a copy/paste from the updated dictionary list
on the extensions.html file.  That has all the dictionaries linked with
their dates.
http://libreoffice-na.us/add-on-dictionaries-large-list.zip

I did not remove the old, non-dated, versions of these dictionary files
from the web site server yet.

@Tim - lest I forget to say this - You Rock!



The reason I have so many files on the server was the fact I never
removed the older files.

3.3.1, 3.3.2, and 3.3.3 install files are all on the server.

OK





   I want to keep as many
of the versions as I can archived, for now, offline.  But having them
archived online might be a good thing for people as well, since I know
someone wanted them and I could not remember how to find the LO site's
archived section for older versions.

I doubt anyone would mind if you do so - but you should know also that
on the CMS server all these versions are also available, from 3.3.1 -
3.4.x, at the moment. They are not directly available to web clients but
are available for disc production purposes.

I did not know if there was a way to link to them last month[?] when the 
person wanted to have a copy of the previous version of LO.  If you do 
not know where it is, or you cannot find the place on the "official" 
site where it is, then you need to have access to these files 
somewhere.  Right now I do not know where to link to for Windows 3.3.1 
install files.  Do you?  It is not easy to find it, but I had them 
archived on my hosting account server, so I linked to those files asked 
about off the non-CMS NA site.




//drew





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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Dictionary Files for the extension site ( was Re: en_US dictionary with April 19 2011 .dic file, plus French updates possible as well] )

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

I am willing to do the work needed to make a LibreOffice Extension page[s].

Right now the extension link that in in the LibreOffice.org page points to
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:OpenOfficeExtensions/List

It would be nice to have it pointing to a LibreOffice.org page instead 
of a LibrePlanet page, even if they are associated.


People may think that LibreOffice relies on others to host there needed 
files.  That is never a good marketing idea, or at least what I was 
taught in "marketing" back in my college days.


SO, I think LibreOffice Steering Committee, or whoever is in charge of 
this, needs to have something like what NA has done and make all the 
extensions linked from their pages, hosted on their server[s] and 
downloaded from their domain.



On 06/30/2011 11:45 AM, drew wrote:

Hi,

I'm forwarding the listed email to the list.

Seems to me that there is an opportunity here to get these dictionary
files up to the LibO extension site...shall we take it?

//drew




On 06/30/2011 06:13 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hello,

can someone follow-up on this, or did someone already do? It's a bit out
of my scope, I guess :-)

Florian


Attached are the most up-to-date French dictionaries, so far, plus the
en_US one listed in the subject line.

Three of French dictionaries have not been uploaded, do to it slipping
through cracks in my memory after I downloaded the newest ones.  I was
going to manually update the French ones with the newest .dic word list
files, since OpenOffice.org's site was offline more often than running.
Then a few weeks later, that site was up enough for me to grab as many
of the updated dictionaries as I could.

If needed, I can take newer .dic word lists that are available and
replace the older ones to try to keep the dictionaries up-to-date.  The
en_US .dic file was never updated with the newest one[s] that I found,
so I created the attached one.

The newest en_US .dic file that was on the OOo site was dated
2010-03-15, while the "default" installed one was dated 2007-05-04, as
far as I can see.  The newest .dic file I found was dated 2011-04-19, so
that was as at least one year newer than the newest one on the OOo site
and almost four years newer than the "default" installed one [as far as
I can tell about the default installed file].

The big thing about word lists .dic files, is the fact that is is just a
list of properly spelled words.  Many of the words in the file have
reference codes that seems to be used to reference spelling definitions,
such as suffix replacements.  I worked on a dictionary project many
years ago and that is the way it seemed to be done, since it takes much
file space to do it that way.  I had to write a test program for that
list and codes, since that was not available to the people working on
the list creation.  It seemed that the Asian group creating the spell
checker for the "electronic" typewriter did not want to share the code
for that so that the team I worked with could make sure the work was
done correctly.  I was the support person for that team at the college
where the work was being done.  This was when PCs were pre-Windows machines.

dictatorship/MS
diction/SVM
dictionary/MS
dictum/M
did/4612
didact/MS

The April 2011 .dic file has about 51,000 words in it.
I have a word list, not in the .dic format, with over 213,000 word in
it.  That list is missing some words.  "dictionary" was not in that
213,000 word list for some reason.
---


Also attached to this email are two other new dictionary files that I do
not remember seeing in the OOo web site.

  Brazilian--dictionary-thesaurus--Dicionário de Sinônimos
Protuguês Brasil2010-05-28.oxt
  Scottish Gaelic Dictionary--gd_GB2009-02-10.oxt

Both of these have not been added to the site.  Here is the list of the
Brazilian-Portuguese and Scottish-Gaelic dictionaries on the list.

  Portuguese (Brazilian) - Vero - Brazilian Portuguese
Spellchecking Dictionary&  Hyphenator
  - Brazilian Portuguese grammar
checker 3.1.0 2010-11-17

  Scots Gaelic Gàidhlig An Dearbhair-litreachaidh Beag -
Spelling dictionary for Scottish Gaelic

---

It seems that the creators of the .dic files are not often the same
people who create the .oxt dictionaries for "us" to use.  Many of these
same dictionary lists are also used for programs like Thunderbird, but
in a different list of other "archived" files besides the .dic files.



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [us-marketing] [NA-DVD] Day 8 (of 21)

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

On 06/30/2011 10:02 AM, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 09:29 -0400, Webmaster for Lungstrom.com wrote:

I have been real sick since Friday, so I just started reading some of
the emails.


Here is the directory files as I have it now on my computer.  All the
dictionary files have .dic dates included in their file names.
You will also have to do a copy/paste from the updated dictionary list
on the extensions.html file.  That has all the dictionaries linked with
their dates.
http://libreoffice-na.us/add-on-dictionaries-large-list.zip

I did not remove the old, non-dated, versions of these dictionary files
from the web site server yet.

@Tim - lest I forget to say this - You Rock!


The reason I have so many files on the server was the fact I never 
removed the older files.


3.3.1, 3.3.2, and 3.3.3 install files are all on the server.

The web page was updated to the newest files, but not I did not remove 
the old ones.  That helped for my archiving, since I made a mistake and 
deleted my archive folders for these versions.  I want to keep as many 
of the versions as I can archived, for now, offline.  But having them 
archived online might be a good thing for people as well, since I know 
someone wanted them and I could not remember how to find the LO site's 
archived section for older versions.


I think Florian will want the 3 missing 4.1 version French dictionaries 
on their server, so I sent them to you and those emails on that message 
"thread".  I also found a few other .oxt dictionaries not listed on the 
OOo site.  Those would be nice to include in the dictionary list.


The extensions.html file has all the dictionaries, as far as I remember, 
linked to the .oxt files that have their .dic dates included so the 
users can know who up-to-date those word lists are.  It is nice when you 
find ones that have version numbers being updated, but, as far as I 
know, some have been updated in the past without any version number 
shown in the filename.


Also the info you asked about what we do with all these dictionaries, 
extensions, and templates, we/I have needing a place for sharing with 
other projects is important.  There are so many extensions that have not 
been added to our NA list that I have in my offline archive[s].  These 
need to be placed on a LibreOffice server for everyone to be able to 
download and/or use in their own CMS page[s].  LO users should not have 
to go to flaky OOo pages to get these .oxt files.


If need be, I would create several extension pages for use on a LO 
server.  It will not be one that you can search like OOo's site, but it 
could be organized in function groups.  Dictionaries in one group, 
Writer aids in another. Special functions in a third, etc., etc..  We 
can decide how the extensions are grouped.  Then you could either have 
one large page with "shortcut" anchors to skip down to the group you 
need, or make the groups different pages.


I have over 80[?] extensions with almost 200 dictionaries, if you do not 
count both the original and updates files.  I know there are more .oxt 
extensions available, but I downloaded the ones that I might be 
interested in using.  For the total number of extensions that are out 
there on the OOo site, and other places, I "feel" there may be 150 to 
200 of them, with many not needed anymore or not working with the newer 
versions of OOo or LO.


So, there are a lot of things needed to be though about for dictionaries 
and other extensions.  Templates are a different matter and I will not 
get into that discussion in this email thread.






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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [us-marketing] [NA-DVD] Day 8 (of 21)

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

I have been real sick since Friday, so I just started reading some of 
the emails.



Here is the directory files as I have it now on my computer.  All the 
dictionary files have .dic dates included in their file names.
You will also have to do a copy/paste from the updated dictionary list 
on the extensions.html file.  That has all the dictionaries linked with 
their dates.

http://libreoffice-na.us/add-on-dictionaries-large-list.zip

I did not remove the old, non-dated, versions of these dictionary files 
from the web site server yet.


-

As for


@Tim I'm going to allow Friedrich to login to the libreoffice-na.us site
using my FTP credentials...


I have no problems with that.  I thought that I had sent the information 
to Friedrich when I created that domain.




-

Florian sent "us" an email:
Re: en_US dictionary with April 19 2011 .dic file, plus French updates 
possible as well




Hello,

can someone follow-up on this, or did someone already do? It's a bit out
of my scope, I guess:-)

Florian



I do not seem to have the information for what to follow up "on".

I will send to Drew and Florian the four most up-to-date French 
dictionary file I have.


One is already online, but the other three slipped through the cracks of 
my memory and were not updated to the site after I found them.

French--dictionnaire-fr-classique-reforme1990-v4.12011-03-27.oxt

French--dictionnaire-fr-classique-v4.12011-03-27.oxt
French--dictionnaire-fr-moderne-v4.12011-03-27.oxt
French--dictionnaire-fr-reforme1990-v4.12011-03-27.oxt

verses the old 4.0 version dated 2010-08-01, like this one.

French--dictionnaire-fr-classique-reforme1990-v4.02010-08-01.oxt



As for updating the dictionaries, as far as I can tell, all you need to 
do is replace the old .dic files with the updated ones.  The .aff file 
is out of my area of ability but may not need replacing, yet.  Those 
.aff file would need work to keep it up-to-date with the newest words 
for the list, but it still works well enough.  Those files seem to help 
you find the


English info in the .aff file

This one looks like it helps to deal with the suffex
SFX B   0 ness   [aeiou]y

This list looks like it is used to help find replacement words by taking 
letter combinations and replacing them with others.  It think the word 
then would be searched with those new letter combination to see if it is 
in the list that way.

REP are air
REP are ear
REP are eir
REP air are
REP air ere
REP ere air
REP ere ear
REP ere eir
REP ear are
REP ear air
REP ear ere
REP eir are
REP eir ere

-



On 06/29/2011 09:01 PM, drew wrote:

On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:54 -0400, drew wrote:

arrch - ok- let me check and be sure that the files on the lo-portal
server are still identical to the libreoffice-na.us server - if so, the
lo-portal server can handle the wget command - have used it before.

BRB

*$&^ - that means nope - I blew all that away, the only copy I have
other then on the libreoffice-na.us server is on my local drives and you
can't hit them.

Ah - I know another way - will do so in a direct email now...

@Tim I'm going to allow Friedrich to login to the libreoffice-na.us site
using my FTP credentials...


//drew


On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 02:47 +0200, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Hi drew, *,

drew schrieb:

On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 01:38 +0200, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

drew schrieb:

[..]


If it saves time to you: Just send the URL and I fetch it all.
Probably less work to delete the unwanted afterwards?

OK - well for the dictionaries I need this directory:
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/

recursive directory-download doesn't work.

wget -r  http://libreoffice-na.us/English/add-on-dictionaries-large-list
(..
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/
Connecting to libreoffice-na.us|208.109.181.237|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
2011-06-30 02:35:24 ERROR 403: Forbidden.)

Need either a list of files, a html where the files are linked or
indexes enabled by .htaccess which would contain a line:
Options +Indexes


I can rename/move the directory later, sure.
For the larger individual files they will move into new locations - it
won't take me long to give you a to-from mapping - there is IIRC less
then 10 of these. Will put that together in just a little bit and send
it along.

O.K.


Thanks again,

my pleasure :o))



Gruß/regards
--
Friedrich
Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/
LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images











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Re: [libreoffice-projects] [NA-DVD] Moveing asset files to the server

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If I can get the access to the NA account,

AND somehow download the theme files and folders

THEN I could work on editing the NA page files offline and would only 
need to upload the "text" after the "body" tag.  This way all the 
problems with the alignment and content, that is not part of a shared 
folder, can be worked on then uploaded to the CMS account.


I do not know where the links to share content will end up or what they 
would be like, but the big thing I see it the visual content of the 
pages needed editing to get them the way we want them to look like.  The 
theme info is needed offline, but the links can be different offline 
from online as long as you do not upload any changes to the files above 
the "body" tag.


Right now, the NA site on the CMS server shows the 3.3.2 installs, so 
that will need to be updated to 3.3.3.


Also, as Drew pointed out, there are a lot of included files on our DVD 
that may not be part of the current shared system.  All of those 
dictionaries that are in our extension listing, and other items are good 
for sharing.  I would like to use the dictionary file I have on my NA 
testing site, since I included their dates so we can keep track of which 
one have been updated that do not use a version number in their file names.


Also, offline I have 3 or 4 times as many non-dictionary extensions 
[.oxt] that are not in our list.  Should those files be added to a 
shared folder for use by others?  I also have other templates and such 
that are not currently in our DVD listings.  These might be useful to 
others.







On 06/23/2011 04:22 PM, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 22:18 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi Drew, *,

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:06 PM, drew  wrote:

[...]

I'd think everything of reusable stuff for any DVD should be part of the
shared assets rather than be dug in a "private" folder. So I'd prefer
the first option. This avoids uncontrolled duplication of files.

Alright - I'll start moving things in a few hours - assuming no one
tosses up a reg flag (or flashes a yellow card :) will do just that.

Just a note:
Feel free to do the initial upload on the shell/the filesystem, but
when you move/delete files already tracked  in assets, please use the
CMS-backend

Thanks - I'll be sure to do so.






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Re: [libreoffice-projects] North-America DVD site broken

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On 06/21/2011 07:02 PM, drew wrote:

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 18:43 -0400, Webmaster for Lungstrom.com wrote:

On 06/21/2011 06:31 PM, Erich Christian wrote:

Hi Drew, *,

Am 21.06.2011 19:24, schrieb drew:

"http://dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org/info/"; has a link on the
"dvd." page and it goes to an information page that looks like
internal information for the CMS server system.

Great - ok - well, I can go admin section now then and see what I can
do.
Let you know when It;s fixed

Well, I reset what I thought would fix this - but no luck.
This is really acting odd.
for instance if you try this URL
http://dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org/info

Well the 'homepage' of a site works best when the URL ends with ../home
although it 'should' work when it's defined as a homepage of a dedicated
url defined on the Behaviour tab - which does not always work as expected...

So I've changed it now to
https://dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org/home/
and things seem to work, pls check.

Hi Erich, Tim

@Erich - Thanks a BUNCH

(note the other error I mentioned in the PM seems to be fixed now
also...double thanks :)



Going to "https://dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org/home/"; gives me
the error information below.
It seems that Firefox, or some security system, does not like the
"security certificate" for that URL.

@Tim - It's working for me here, Firefox 4.0.1 and Chromium 12.0.7..
(both under Ubuntu 11.04), though I had to accept the certificate the
first time I hit the site.

//drew

Drew
I never saw that error screen before on Firefox.  The system did ask 
about certificate, but like Florian said, the double sub-domain was an 
issue.  Actually, having "northamerica.libreofficebox.org/dvd" would be 
a nice way, with "northamerica.libreofficebox.org" being an intro page 
like the front page of "http://libreoffice-na.us/"; is.  That front page 
could tell people about the North American Community DVD project and 
then you could go to the DVD section from there.



Actually Ubuntu 10.04 just upgraded Firefox to 3.6.18.  Last month 
Mozilla did not have 4.0 for Linux after my Windows laptop was upgraded 
to 4.0.  Today the site had 5.0 for Linux.  But the file "seems" to want 
you to run it via scripting lake the last one I saw for Linux. There was 
an article on znet? about why Firefox jumped so quickly to 5.0 after 4.0 
came out.  I may be able to find the link for you later, if you want to 
look at it.


It seems when I install Chromium, it takes over the browser defaults, 
even after I rerun the Firefox "make this the default browser" routine.  
So I removed it after I tried it.








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Re: [libreoffice-projects] North-America DVD site broken

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On 06/21/2011 06:31 PM, Erich Christian wrote:

Hi Drew, *,

Am 21.06.2011 19:24, schrieb drew:

"http://dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org/info/"; has a link on the
"dvd." page and it goes to an information page that looks like
internal information for the CMS server system.

Great - ok - well, I can go admin section now then and see what I can
do.
Let you know when It;s fixed

Well, I reset what I thought would fix this - but no luck.
This is really acting odd.
for instance if you try this URL
http://dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org/info

Well the 'homepage' of a site works best when the URL ends with ../home
although it 'should' work when it's defined as a homepage of a dedicated
url defined on the Behaviour tab - which does not always work as expected...

So I've changed it now to
https://dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org/home/
and things seem to work, pls check.

Cheers
Erich




Going to "https://dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org/home/"; gives me 
the error information below.
It seems that Firefox, or some security system, does not like the 
"security certificate" for that URL.


-

This Connection is Untrusted

You have asked Firefox to connect
securely to dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org, but we can't confirm 
that your connection is secure.


Normally, when you try to connect securely,
sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are
going to the right place. However, this site's identity can't be verified.

What Should I Do?

If you usually connect to
this site without problems, this error could mean that someone is
trying to impersonate the site, and you shouldn't continue.

Technical Details

dvd.north-america.libreofficebox.org uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is only valid for the following names:
  *.libreofficebox.org , libreofficebox.org

(Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)


I Understand the Risks
















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Re: [libreoffice-projects] [box] version 3.4.0 and 3.3.x

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On 06/09/2011 03:24 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote:

Hi LibOxies,
another point for the LibOxes we discuss on the German ml [1] is:

The Germans produce a new box where "only" the 3.4-version is inside, 
which is for "early adopters" but not a "stable" version.


The question on the discussion is:
Should there be a box/dvd with an actual 3.4.x and a stable 3.3.x 
version together?


What would the other teams do?

There are for now two and a half posibilities:

1) 1 box with the 2 actual versions e.g. 3.4.0 and 3.3.3
1.5) 1 box with the actual 3.4.x version and a stable version like 
3.3.2 but not always the newest stable version

2) 2 boxes one with 3.4.x and one with 3.3.x

for 1)
advantage: we give the user 1 product and he can decide for himself
disadvantage: more work for the builders. Maybe a little bit softened 
with 1.5)


for 2)
advantage: boxes exist and there must always be build only 1 version
disadvantage: confusion: An user gets e.g. on a fair the "wrong" dvd. 
So we should always give both dvds => Cases with two dvds inside. For 
every new version a new cover etc. => many waste material



Your thoughts about this?


[1] http://go.mail-archive.com/d6_Y7VjRYH2kNzMcTnYtpEtwRSQ=


I, for one, like to offer users a choice.  BUT, you must have proper 
information about the differences between the versions.


Why 3.4.0?  Why not wait for 3.4.1?

I think if you list the 3.3.x line as recommended for business use and 
3.4.x like as early adopter's "cutting edge" personal use, or something 
like that.  Then explain why it is that way.


Now as for "Germans produce a new box", if you mean a physical box, you 
can place two DVDs in it just fine.  If you mean one DVD but you have 
two versions of the package on that disc, then you better have room for 
it and have a good explanation why you have two version on the same DVD.


I think the business users would rather deal with one version on a 
disc.  Then there would be no confusion about what version is to be used.


As the person who rebuilds the install page[s] for the LibreOffice North 
American Community DVD [http://libreoffice-na.us/], I have both the 
3.3.2 and the 3.4.0 version on our portal.  I will updated the 3.3.2 to 
3.3.3 when it comes out and 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 when it comes out as well.  I 
will not be burning and 3.4.x DVDs to handout until it is 3.4.1.  I will 
then have one for the business users and one for the personal user.  
NOW, if there is room on a DVD for two versions of the install, without 
too much being removed, I may look into having a 2 version DVD to try 
out myself, but I do not know what the team will think about having a 2 
version DVD for the LibreOffice NA DVD.  Our Windows-only DVD [1.6GB] 
has plenty of room for a second version, but the Windows-Linux-MacOSX 
version [3.7GB] is already almost stuffed to the point that there is no 
room for the second version.


One point I have, I cannot find 2 DVD cases.  I have 1 DVD cases and 4 
DVD cases.  It costs less to use 2, 3, or 4 cases that have 1 DVD 
inside, instead of using the 4 DVD case.  If you bundle several version, 
1 case or more, you must have good information showing what each version 
is and why you should, or should not, use that version.


So for me:  have one version of the DVD, case, and inserted paperwork,

1]  for the business users so they only have the most stable version
2]  for the personal users and have them choose which version they want 
to use


Yes this will make more work for the developers of the distribution 
DVDs, but it may be best for the users.


Since I am the one who keeps the DVD updated to the most current 
version[s] of the software, I do not mind the extra work.  But it is up 
to team to decide which version will be promoted or handed out at the 
events.  Right now, some of the members of the NA team think [for now] 
handing out 3.3.x DVDs at the events might be the better idea.  Both 
personal and business users come to them and it may be difficult to make 
sure there are enough of two version of the DVD to be available and also 
get the proper version to the person who is picking up the event handout 
DVD.




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.3.3 RC1 available

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On 06/03/2011 10:29 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote:

Hi *,

for 3.3.3 rc1, we're now uploading builds to a public (but non-mirrored
- so don't spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're
available. Grab them here:


I did not know we were doing a 3.3.3 since we had 3.4.0 come out.


http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

If you've a bit of time, please give them a try&  report *critical*
bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the
release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours
to populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect
feedback.

The list of fixed bugs in this release is here:

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugfixes-libreoffice-3-3-release-3.3.3-rc1.log

So playing with the areas touched there also greatly appreciated -
and validation that those bugs are really fixed.

Thanks a lot for your help,

-- Thorsten




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.4 RC2 available

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On 05/27/2011 11:11 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote:

Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is happy to announce the second release
candidate of LibreOffice 3.4. The upcoming 3.4 will be the second
major release of the LibreOffice project, and comes with many exciting
new features. Please be aware that LibreOffice 3.4 RC2 is not yet
ready for production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.3.2
for that.

The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
builds download page at

   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/


What is the LibO-URE_3.4. . . . .   File shown on the pre-release section?
I did not see this for the 3.3.x versions.

A list of new features specific to LibreOffice is to be found here:

   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.4




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] [ANN] Preview builds of 3.4 rc1 available

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On 05/18/2011 05:51 PM, Thorsten Behrens wrote:

Hi *,

for the rc1 candidate, we're now uploading builds to a public (but
non-mirrored - so don't spread news too widely!) place, as soon as
they're available. Grab them here:

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

If you've a bit of time, please give them a try&  report *critical*
bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the
release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours
to populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect
feedback.

Currently, debs, rpms, and Mac packages are available, or currently
uploading. Win32 will take some more time, this platform is usually
slowest to build. Mac PPC is back into production.

The list of fixed bugs in this release is here:

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugfixes-libreoffice-3-4-release-3.4.0.1.log

So playing with the areas touched there also greatly appreciated -
and validation that those bugs are really fixed.

Thanks a lot for your help,

-- Thorsten

Are we looking at end-of-June [or July] as a possible earliest release 
of 3.4?

That would give a month or more for RC versions.

I just would like to start making plans for the next version of the DVD 
project[s].
Right now the DVDs are 3.3.2 based.  If we have 4-6 weeks till the 3.4 
release, then I will know how much time I will have for the 3.3.2 DVD 
version and not make too many of them ahead.  I hope to get the DVD 
printer shipped to me mid to late June, so I am not thinking about too 
many copies on my end, but others in my team?  Also soon I hope we would 
have a link to the ISO file[s] for the NA DVDs [Windows, and Win/Linux/Mac]



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Where do I upload files?

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On 04/11/2011 02:32 AM, drew wrote:

On Sat, 2011-04-09 at 11:52 +0200, Erich Christian wrote:

Hi Paolo,

Am 09.04.2011 00:23, schrieb Paulo de Souza Lima:

2011/4/8 Erich Christian

Am 05.04.2011 03:59, schrieb Paulo de Souza Lima:

tell me where do I upload the ISO files for DVDs

Easiest you provide a link where we could fetch them from another
server, are they online somewhere?

Hummm. Unfortunately I don't have a server to put those large files in... =(
I was wondering we could host those files somewhere in TDF structure, just
like the install packages are. =/

Yepp sure, at time there is no public upload so I'll send you a ftp link
to upload your files and I'll fetch them from there - no problem.



and smaller ones for other
purposes.

Silverstripe

Yeap! I do think so =) But what exactly are "smaller ones"? What's the
limit?

php.ini is set to 32M max_upload_filesize

For really bigger files just use the ftp connection and tell me where to
place them.
All installers, lang- and helppacks are on the same server with our
Silverstripe install, no need to upload anything of this kind.

Hi,

extensions - templates - extras?

Sorry, if this was covered already on a ML, if so I missed it.

Then of course I wonder if teams are ok with a common set of directory
names - meaning English I guess - or if they will prefer, likely I
suppose, for native language specific names.

I have no idea if (how, as I would guess it does) SilverStripe would
handle this if the requirement is stated as : a common physical
directory mapped to different labels for native language. I'm guessing
this has been thought about, as I say, just didn't see it mentioned.

So - Where is the thoughts on how is this going work?

Thanks much,

Drew


To extend that thought:
Would there be a common folder for English, Spanish, French, etc., 
language extensions, templates, sample files, artwork, and such files.  
The North American Community DVD have over 500 MB of them, plus the 
documentation, the extras, and such, to bring the total to about 1.3 GB 
of files.  This is just the English versions of these.  It would be nice 
to have all these in some common folder system on the SilverStripe 
server for all the "project versions" to have access to them.  Then, 
when the other languages get their own versions of these documents, 
sample files, templates, etc., etc., "we all" can have access to them 
for "our" projects.




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: Moving to SilverStripe

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On 03/30/2011 10:18 AM, Jeff Chimene wrote:


Ok. I'm not sure this dvd will ever have a private theme, but anything is
possible.



Drew wanted us to have/use a "community" theme instead of the TDF 
theme.  Both are on the DVD.  When the change to the new LO icons, I 
replaced the old icons to the new ones in the theme for our DVD.  Last 
time I looked, the last ISO of the LibreOffice-Box DVD ISO, the icons 
where still the old versions on the TDF theme.


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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Moving to SilverStripe

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On 03/30/2011 08:37 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

Hi Jeff, *

Jeff Chimene wrote:

[...]  I think
   we'll want to remove the header text: "The Document Foundation"
   and replace it with: "North American Community DVD - English
   version" That text is currently on the right side of the screen.

On the main website the header area is only accessible for the site admins.

The header text/name for the current LibreOffice-NA.US/English/ DVD is 
not part of the CSS header format.  It is just between where the CSS 
header ends and the Menu bar begins.  That was the easiest way for me to 
do that.

Probably one of the admins on the DVD site (are there dedicated admins
for the different sub-sites?) has to step in here.


   It seems this is necessary as the DVD is not from TDF.

I would disagree, but this question needs clarification by the SC:

Your DVD is not a distribution created by a single community member
or a small group of individuals. It is the work of an officially approved
LibreOffice team, trying to cooperate with the other dedicated teams
in the best possible way, sharing as much resources as possible.
This impression is enforced by using the same infrastructure.

Thus it's creation is part of the community's work and therefore under
the scope and guidance by The Document Foundation.

Having a DVD that is officially approved by TDF and the SC was the next 
phase of the original DVD project.


The only problem I had with the DVD was how many files there were for 
each included file/link.  It seemed much harder to keep updated than the 
structure I used.  Also, the DVD was setup so an IT person could bypass 
the HTML files and use the DVD folder structure to find the files he/she 
needed to use.  The more sub-folders he/she needs to go through to get 
the files, the "harder" the DVD is to use as a Data DVD.  I know many IT 
people that use package DVDs that way.


If all the install files and much of the other content is updated by 
some other group of people and it used by all of the different 
sub-projects, then that would be good no matter how complex the 
file/folder structure is.  For the LibreOffice-NA.US DVD project, I was 
the one who had to keep all the install files up-to-date, so I wanted it 
to be as easy as possible and be done as quickly as possible.  The 
current DVD, it takes about ten minutes to edit the HTML files once the 
3.3.2 files were downloaded into the proper install folders.




But this is just my personal position - I know that there might be
different opinions on this point. If you want to have this question
decided, please send a request to the steering committee's mailing list.

Best regards

Bernhard





How to do this?

2. I see the following language packs in the /installer/ folder: de,
   es, fr, it. We're also including these locales/languages: en-GB,
   en-US, he, pt-BR, pt.
   What's the recommended way to link to these language packs?

I/we have the localized language files so the DVD would be useful for 
more than one group.  "PT" was added when "pt-BR" was not included for 
the Windows version in 3.3.0 and 3.3.1.  Now there is the Brazilian 
version of that file, so "PT" is no longer needed.


"HE" was added since some people I know complained that there was no 
single package that they had access to that could use both Hebrew and 
then use English.  They are a group, like the Hispanic communities in 
the south western area of the USA, that seems to be overlooked by 
software package developers.  So those communities hopefully will be 
happy with our DVD project when it is done.



Thank-you, Erich

Cheers,
jec

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Re: [libreoffice-projects] North American DVD project - as it stands now

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On 03/30/2011 07:30 AM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:

2011/3/30 Jeff Chimene


Hi Paulo:

Pretty good for a quick hack!

I can suggest a few changes:

   1. Use grep -i instead of grep -o
DIST=$(grep -i fedora<<<  "$ID1")
   2. I'd make is to force $DIST to lowercase and check against "mandriva"
   or "debian".
   DIST=`echo $DIST | tr A-Z a-z`
   That way, you'll drop a few extraneous tests.
   3. Ensure the script is run as root


http://serverfault.com/questions/37829/bash-scripting-require-script-to-be-run-as-root-or-with-sudo



Many thanks for your help, Jeff. I'm gonna make the changes and test it
asap.

Another sugestion I've just received is: Instead of making an entire DVD ISO
with many packages users won't need, and make users donwload it (at least
1.8GB, in our case, 4 GB in north-america's DVD, I guess), a friend has
asked me to make just an script. That script could detect the same things,
download the necessary packages (about 250MB, or less) and install them
and/or built a DVD specific for that user.

What do you think?

Gonna keep you all aware.


Sorry to jump in like this but I can answer that for you.
I am Tim L. who started the project several months ago before Drew got 
me working on this bigger project concept.


The real reason for starting the DVD project was to give people a choice 
on how to get a copy of LibreOffice.  Many people I know do not have 
broadband access to the Internet.  It would take them all night to 
download the Windows install file[s], so I started years ago to burn 
DVDs of OpenOffice and other free software I got them to use.  I keep 
giving them the updates every four to six months.  Now that LibreOffice 
is out, I am switching them to it.


The current Windows "draft" DVD is about 1.6 GB with all the content 
included.  One thing we differ from the LibreOffice-Box people's DVD is 
that we have content.  Their all platform DVD is about 2 GB the last 
time I looked at it.  Our all platform DVD is about 3.3 GB right now.  
We have about 1 GB of content, like documentation, dictionaries, 
template samples, artwork, and other stuff not a part of 
LibreOffice-Box's DVD.


My feeling is, if you make a DVD for them to use, why not fill it with 
all the things they might use.  The DVDs I make for local use is stuffed 
full with things that could be listed in the Extras page.  Most of the 
time I stuff the DVD to the point there is no more room left on it.


For a DVD you have to download the ISO file for, that could be a problem 
for some people.  So you can download a 3.3 GB all platform version, 
then later you will have the option of a Windows only version [1.6 GB at 
this time] so you do not need to download the platform files you cannot 
use.  There was "talk" on some list about is we have a Windows only DVD, 
why not have a Linux version as well.  Well since Windows is the 
platform that at least two-thirds of the people use, Windows-only seemed 
like a good idea.


Hopefully soon, when the DVD is "published", we will have some places 
where people can buy a pre-made DVD.  This way all those people who do 
not have broadband, or who would rather have one made for them, will 
have places to order the DVD.  OpenOffice.org use to have many place 
where you could order a DVD for their package.  The "new" Oracle OOo web 
site seems to make it hard to find that list.  When you do, it seems 
that there are very few people selling OOo CD/DVDs anymore.  It is still 
a great idea.


I know a few business management people who would never use a great 
software package if they had to download it from the Internet.  Yet, if 
you have a place to order a CD/DVD or they are given a professional one, 
they would be happy to try it.



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] North American DVD project - as it stands now

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On 03/29/2011 09:32 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:

2011/3/29 Webmaster for Lungstrom.com


Here is the state of the North American Community DVD project, as I see it.

If you go to the root index page for "libreoffice-na.us" you will have two
choices:

All Supported Platforms
and
Windows Only

The All Supported Platforms version of the English DVD is in the /English/
folder.  The Windows-only DVD is in the /English-Windows/ folder.

The original idea for the English only DVD was to place the DVD into the
computer and the default folder of the DVD would have the index file along
with all the other usable HTML files in that default folder.  When there is
finally a Spanish or French versions, then you will get a default folder
that had only one HTML file, the index file, and the common folders with a
folder for each language that is supported by that DVD.








So please let me/us know what you think about the work being done.

webmaster @ lungstrom.com
webmaster @ krackedpress.com

Tim Lungstrom
New York State, USA

Amazing. We had the same idea about the html file in the root folder.

By the way, Brazilian community is almost done with ours. We are at 50% of
Getting Started translations and going.

We are also including a bash script to automatic install for linux users.
That script detects the hw platform (32/64bits), the distro (Ubuntu, Debian,
Fedora, Mandriva or Suse) and installs all required packages for that
specific distro. I have tested in Ubuntu, Fedora and Mandriva. Just Suse and
Debian are still missing and I expect to test it tomorrow.

You can see these videos about how easy Linux installations have become:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/755426/instala_fedora.ogv
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/755426/instala_mandriva.ogv

There's just one issue: once I'm not a developer, the script really works,
but it also has a very ugly code. =D

Maybe someone could read it and improve the code.

Cheers.

I would love to see those scripts.   Even ugly code can work beautifully.

I never not written a batch script since the mid 1980's, so it would be 
nice to see
one that would make my life easier for things I need to install using 
the Terminal.



I have not written a program that was not HTML/Javascript
based in over 5 or 6 years, and real programs since my mainframe days of 
the 80's and 90's.
My strokes wiped my programming skills so I no longer can do things like 
the general ledger
accounting systems and other things like that.  Could barely do some 
basic "C" programming

anymore that I use to do half asleep in the early 90's.



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[libreoffice-projects] North American DVD project - as it stands now

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

Here is the state of the North American Community DVD project, as I see it.

If you go to the root index page for "libreoffice-na.us" you will have 
two choices:


All Supported Platforms
and
Windows Only

The All Supported Platforms version of the English DVD is in the 
/English/ folder.  The Windows-only DVD is in the /English-Windows/ folder.


The original idea for the English only DVD was to place the DVD into the 
computer and the default folder of the DVD would have the index file 
along with all the other usable HTML files in that default folder.  When 
there is finally a Spanish or French versions, then you will get a 
default folder that had only one HTML file, the index file, and the 
common folders with a folder for each language that is supported by that 
DVD.


For some reason people got the idea that the final "published" DVD was 
to have a default folder that had a root index file similar to the one 
that is the root/default index file of the libreoffice-na.us domain.  
That domain was originally designed to host the various DVD test pages 
for the project. One page for an English DVD that supported all the 
platforms used, and one English DVD for only Windows.  Then as the 
different language versions are created, each of those DVDs would be 
tested along side of the English versions for comparison.


It has come to my attention that the root/default index page of the 
domain is being taken as the default page of the DVD[s].  That was not 
the original intent for its use.  It is just a page that shows the 
people involved in the project[s], what the project is all about, and 
the current test pages and files of the DVD as of the last upload of the 
files to the domain.


---

As soon as the other members of the team finish with looking for any 
possible issues with the potentially included files for the "initial" 
English DVD, THEN our initial publication of this DVD will happen.  At 
that point this version is handed over to the Spanish and French 
translators so they can do their part.


The original plan for the "publication" of the DVD was to have several 
places where you can download the ISO file of the DVD, and several 
places where you can buy a pre-made DVD like people offered for 
OpenOffice.org over the past years for those who did not have the 
bandwidth to download the ISO file[s].


The current folder sizes of the DVDs are; 3.3 GB for the All Platform 
DVD and 1.6 GB for the initial work on the Windows only DVD.  For those 
who have limited bandwidth for downloading, and uses Windows, the 
Windows Only version may be the better option, but it still lags behind 
the work on the All Platform version.



So please let me/us know what you think about the work being done.

webmaster @ lungstrom.com
webmaster @ krackedpress.com

Tim Lungstrom
New York State, USA


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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Work on the international 'box'

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On 03/24/2011 05:06 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Hi Webmaster for Lungstrom.com, *,

Webmaster for Lungstrom.com schrieb:

On 03/22/2011 04:54 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

[..]


- easy installing:
Particularly installing windows apps from a html UI using the system
browser is a pain. Thus we decided the kmeleon browser to be
delivered with the medium. It starts via autorun and provides a one
click installation for LibO as well as for all other windows
applications on the medium.  This can be choosen either by clicking
the item in the html UI or by selecting from a menu containing all
available win apps on the medium.

MS, as I recall, did a security cut on what that auto run option will
currently allow.  Last time I heard, the Movie and Audio media were
the only one left in the auto run security update.  I know that I can
not get CDs to auto run and load up the splash screen of ones that I
know worked last year or so.  So I may be right about that.

No known complaints regarding this.


great.
MS messes with so much that it could have made this a problem.
Since it killed some of my older software's CD autorun ability when they 
are inserted, I knew that MS did reduce is autorun abilities a few 
months ago.

For Browser based installs, I know that many have removed the
"download/run" option and just use the "download/save" one.  Security
issues again.  The more secure your Windows computer is, the better.

Kmeleon browser isn't installed on the computer, but running from the
medium for the sake of showing contents and installing software.  The
latter is achieved by a mechanism developed for that task.


Never heard of "Kmeleon" so did not know about what it could do.

So making an easy to install CD/DVD is not easy if you think about
those who no longer have auto-run or download-run options available
to them.

As said: We didn't recieve complaints about hassles.

[..]

Gruß/regards



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/22/2011 05:29 PM, Erich Christian wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Am 22.03.2011 21:53, schrieb Jeff Chimene:

On 03/22/2011 01:08 PM, Erich Christian wrote:

Subdomain is set up and Siverstripe prepared for the dvd ui in the first
place, so you may register your account(s) at
http://devel.libreofficebox.org/register/  (Anmelden)
and drop a note here.

regstered as jchimene

Login at https://north-america.libreofficebox.org/admin/
subsite admin permissions granted.

Go for the Help tab for basic infos on the use of silverstripe.

Cheers
Erich

Will there be more than one Admin account?  I know that Drew and myself 
will be a part of this system, but we have stated that we want to get 
our current project ready before we start working on the next one.



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Work on the international 'box'

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On 03/22/2011 04:54 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Hi drew, *,

many thanks for bringing this up :o)).

drew schrieb:



What is the best way to help you with this particular project?

Well Not shure what's the most effective way to achieve this.
 From my point of view one starting point could be to translate the
german box, which already got several features during five years of
development. But finally this decision will be made by people doing the
job.

I'll try to be short in listing the features not seen at first glance:

- display window:
starting the former PrOOo-Box we had long and heavy discussions what
should be the purpose of the CD's content. Result was a hybrid of easy
installation medium and a display window allowing people to have a look
at community's work - even if offline - much more an option in those
days than nowadays.

- easy installing:
Particularly installing windows apps from a html UI using the system
browser is a pain. Thus we decided the kmeleon browser to be delivered
with the medium. It starts via autorun and provides a one click
installation for LibO as well as for all other windows applications on
the medium.  This can be choosen either by clicking the item in the html
UI or by selecting from a menu containing all available win apps on the
medium.

MS, as I recall, did a security cut on what that auto run option will 
currently allow.  Last time I heard, the Movie and Audio media were the 
only one left in the auto run security update.  I know that I can not 
get CDs to auto run and load up the splash screen of ones that I know 
worked last year or so.  So I may be right about that.


For Browser based installs, I know that many have removed the 
"download/run" option and just use the "download/save" one.  Security 
issues again.  The more secure your Windows computer is, the better.


So making an easy to install CD/DVD is not easy if you think about those 
who no longer have auto-run or download-run options available to them.



The medium as well acts as installation source for deb based linux
systems. It contains a repo with meta packages for easy
(de-)installation choosing *one* package instead of fiddling with
several packages particularly while deinstalling.

- office equipment:
To equip a complete office machine we also provide recent
browsersoftware, and some other tools for desktop publishing and the
like - all open source to show the power of free software world.

- development:
The source code and related tools are delivered to have a snapshot of
the state of development at the time of release. This allows interested
computer people to examine the code and as well a company to have full
control over the software used in it's environment.

I've put these lines in a wiki page where it's accessible for later use
if needed:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/Features


Hope this helps.

Gruß/regards



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] SA DVD ?

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On 03/23/2011 05:42 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote:

Paulo de Souza Lima schrieb:


By the way, our media is almost done. Just few more details
remaining... But I really didn't understand (yet) how it could fit to
the European or North American contexts. In my point of view, a
PT/PT-BR/ES media makes more sense.

As we will have to do some DNS rework anyways it would maybe make sense
to think now of a South/Central America project and to cope in this matter?

Could you please make your mind up in this concern - things are very
easily changed before some work is done... and then the database has to
get resorted and so on.

What do you think?

In my opinion spanish has to be thought as a whole, that's why I
propose 'Hispano/Hispanic' to identify all countries where spanish is
spoken.

Is Spanish as spoken in Mexico is distinct from Spanish as spoken in
Spain? or Guatemala?

any language spoken in different countries has regionalism, but the
language is the same

That is why there are so many Spanish Dictionaries, it seems.

[I have been bad sick for a bit so I have a lot of emails to catch up 
on, 300-400. Still not "all there" though]


I use [north to south] Canadian, USA, Mexican, and Latin American 
Communities as my description to the areas/languages we serve.  Was 
given a link early on to a wiki map showing the countries that are part 
of "Latin America".  I figure that map. if I found it again, would cover 
most of the Spanish speaking countries in Central and South America.


I was originally thinking of a "generic" Spanish language version that 
would be for Mexico, but then it was expanded on by the group stating 
that a "generic" Spanish language version could serve Spanish speaking 
countries other than Mexico.



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] ISO files and folder archives - download method

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On 03/22/2011 02:23 PM, drew wrote:



So for now, Drew has a link for an older snapshot of the DVD.  As soon
as the new install files are completely download, I will have him
download whatever files/folders he would need to update his local folder
and have him build the new DVD and place it on his "portal".  When
everything is done on my end and I have the ISO file of the 3.3.2 DVD, I
can upload it to someone's server for the people with TDF and
LibreOffice-Box to have access to it "locally" to their server system.

Hi Tim,

Well, I understand your line of thought and it's interesting.

In actually I don't see it as a usage pattern that would benefit many
people, but it worth talking about for sure.

In my opinion, and for the moment at least, it's a bit bothersome to me
from this one perspective - there are a few us right now updating and
editing files, we are working against this one common set of files.
Given our setup right now that is the only way to keep us all in sync -
and I am doing daily backups of changed files, so there is at least a
poor mans version control system.

Right now having a second set of files that are supposedly in sync also
just adds to our chances for banging over top of each others work, at
least given the active level of change going on.

I'm sure you got Jeff's mail from this morning regarding the User
Documentation and the updates he will be making today to the files on
your server.

Beyond that:
- all the files on the disc are now referenced from the HtML pages
Now that there is a WANT to have all the .odt files for the versions 
that had only .pdf version on the document page. I have download all the 
.odt files I found and now I need to get them referenced on that page.  
Maybe in the next day or so.


I looked at the "Windows Only" DVD and as I looked at the text in a few 
pages, I noticed a few misspellings.

[quote]
Deveoped by members of the LibreOffice community in North America.
[unquote]
Developed - the "l" is missing.  I have some other text I have been 
working on, but have not uploaded it, yet.
Has to stop to deal with lunch and with some instructions to me new 
aide.  Will upload those typos edits soon.



- ALL pages needing translation from German to English are done (Clean
first drat at a minimum) and ALL the HTML has been scrubbed free of any
googl-ism garbage (I think?)


We took the German version and made a working English one.

If LibreOffice-Box would like to take our English translation and use it 
towards their English version, I say go ahead and do it.



Open items are I think down to
- Templates, in the zip files - final vetting.
- Finish work to html files for minor layout issues


I am currently uploading all the new files to the online install
folders.

Ok - great.

So if I could just follow up from my email of this morning. This is a
good time to get the folks on the US list to review what we have and
give some input/feeback o some of the inclusion questions.

I just really think this archive directory idea is making extra work
right now and I would rather see us focus on getting what is before us
already finished.

Thanks

Drew







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Re: [libreoffice-projects] ISO files and folder archives - download method

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On 03/22/2011 02:29 PM, Jeff Chimene wrote:

On 03/22/2011 11:23 AM, drew wrote:


I'm sure you got Jeff's mail from this morning regarding the User
Documentation and the updates he will be making today to the files on
your server.

Say what? I looked on libreoffice-na.us and the files weren't there. Is
there another server?




+1 Obviiously, as there seems to be another site in the mix.

Onward thru the fog,
jec


No there is no other domains.
There seems to be just some miss-impressions there.
The site is as up-to-date as I can get it.
Drew has been doing some editing to the HTML files.
I have been doing the updating to 3.3.2 since it came out this morning.
There is some issues where the "About LibreOffice" option in the Help menus
state it it a build of 3.3.1 build 202, but the package manager states 
it is 3.3.2-19.


So that will needs to be looked into.

I also made a new folder of Windows-Only DVD to see what is needed to be 
done

to make one.  1.8 GB instead of 3.5 GB with all the platform versions.



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] ISO files and folder archives - download method

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On 03/22/2011 11:41 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Hi Tim, *,

Webmaster for Lungstrom.com schrieb:

On 03/21/2011 09:26 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Webmaster for Lungstrom.com schrieb:

Started the process of uploading all the file and folder archives
for http://libreoffice-na.us/dvd-archives/dvd-folder-archives.html

[.. sync by ftp ..]


No need for that procedure, because..

Well from your aspect, when the files are on your server.

It's up to You to have them there. As long as you continue authoring
them on Your home machine there's no advantage over sticking with Your
ftp space, though.


But I am thinking about people who are in groups in the USA who are
wanting to promote LibreOffice by handing out the latest version of
someone's English DVD at the different meetings and events that these
people/groups go to.  There are events in the USA this week that could
get the latest files from us [including the one that are in the
"theme" and "pics" folders] that are not easily saved via a browser
system. These people would not have access to our FTP account as some
of the TDF/LibreOffice people now have [or at least I emailed them the
user/password info]. There people who do not have FTP access NEEDS
some other way to get the files and folders from "us" that is easy if
they had FTP access, but hard if they only have browser access.

I don't see any advantage of this procedure over providing recent, well
aproved ISO-files. Of course that's very painful, as long as You think
the preferred means creating those is Your home machine.

No help possible with this from our side.

[..]

Gruß/regards
The easiest way of doing things would be to have everyone download an 
ISO file for the current version of the project.
That would mean downloading 3.8 GB, or so, of a file each time there is 
a new release of the ISO file.  Some people may rather just have to 
download the changes/updated files instead of the whole DVD.  This 
Archive Files/Folders option is a way for them to do that.


Now the 3.3.2 version just came out.  The only changes to the DVD would 
be the install folder, with the 3.3.2 fines install of the 3.3.1 files, 
the Install.html file, and any other HTML page that lists the version 
3.3.1 instead of 3.3.2.  So there will be one folder and a few HTML 
files.  All the rest of the folders and files would be the same.  So if 
someone wanted to build their own DVD from the files/folders, then all 
they would have to do is download the newly updated ones for version 
3.3.2 and not download any other ones.  The is 1.8 GB of files instead 
of 3.6 to 3.8 GB of a full ISO file.


So for now, Drew has a link for an older snapshot of the DVD.  As soon 
as the new install files are completely download, I will have him 
download whatever files/folders he would need to update his local folder 
and have him build the new DVD and place it on his "portal".  When 
everything is done on my end and I have the ISO file of the 3.3.2 DVD, I 
can upload it to someone's server for the people with TDF and 
LibreOffice-Box to have access to it "locally" to their server system.


I am currently uploading all the new files to the online install 
folders.  As soon as the RPM x86-64 files are downloaded to my local 
computer, I will upload them to our project's site, and then upload the 
new HTML files listing, and linking to, the 3.3.2 files.




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/21/2011 12:50 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote:

Þann mán 21.mar 2011 16:07, skrifaði Webmaster for Lungstrom.com:


So for now, to keep the problems with the way Brasero is
re-naming the files and folders to upper-case letters, I
will be using the Vista Laptop's Roxio software. But I hope
to be given the name[s] of better software for Ubuntu.



K3b is more of a full grown burning tool - almost everything is 
configurable, including long-names and such.


Works fine in *buntu, easy to use. But it pulls in some KDE packages 
(there are people who dont like that).


Best regards

Sveinn í Felli

I run GNOME for the desktop, but have KDE files on my system since there 
are some tools on KDE I like to use that do not have GNOME versions.


Will look into K3b.
Thanks



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/21/2011 10:53 AM, drewjensen wrote:

Hi Tim,

That is true for the size of the first iso generated. However the last
download from the libreoffice-na.us server was:

828 files
3.6 Gig
Currently It is estimated to take 16 minutes to burn the DVD from the 
files list I have


3.3 gig and 929 files - including everything but the DVD archive folder.

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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/21/2011 10:53 AM, drewjensen wrote:

Hi Tim,

That is true for the size of the first iso generated. However the last
download from the libreoffice-na.us server was:

828 files
3.6 Gig

Yes, and the first DVD figures was what I gave, since I did not have 
time figures for the current size of the DVD.

Currently, to the best of my knowledge, there is nothing referenced from
the html files that is not included in that set of files.

There has been at leas two files removed since and a few to go, which
looks like will trim another 100 meg or so from the set.

Thanks

Drew
What I really could use is a better DVD burning software than Brasero.  
The laptop is slower than the desktop, being the Vista is 32-bit where 
Ubuntu is 64-bit and the CPU of the Laptop is a "slower" one than the 
desktop has.


So for now, to keep the problems with the way Brasero is re-naming the 
files and folders to upper-case letters, I will be using the Vista 
Laptop's Roxio software.  But I hope to be given the name[s] of better 
software for Ubuntu.





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Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/21/2011 09:35 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Hi Tim, *,



Our last ISO was about 4.4 GB in size and over 1,000 files.  Well I
used Roxio, a paid DVD burner that came with the DELL computers. I
use Brasero on my Ubuntu desktop, but for some reason it wants to make
all the filename  in "uppercase" letters.

Then You have to check preferences. Joliet and Rock Ridge are Your
friends - don't know how to configure in Brasero..

These are "types" of files system preferences for the way you "make the 
files and folders look like".  I do not know the correct words to 
describe what I mean.  I have seen Joliet before and I believe I use it.


I have to start wit the "Should files be renamed to be fully 
Windows-compatible?"  which actually truncate the file names.  I do not 
choose that option. It seems to truncate to smaller than the 64 letters 
that is stated in the dialog box.  Then there is a different dialog 
about something that seems to ask if I want to split the folders into 7 
different parent folders.  I always say no, since I want the original 
format.  After that there seems to be no preference options.


If you know of a much better Ubuntu DVD burner, let me know.

[..]


Gruß/regards



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] ISO files and folder archives - download method

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On 03/21/2011 09:26 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Hi Tim, *,

Webmaster for Lungstrom.com schrieb:


Started the process of uploading all the file and folder archives for
http://libreoffice-na.us/dvd-archives/dvd-folder-archives.html
This way every few days, or so, a person can look at this page and see
if there is any changes in the files or folders for the North American
Community DVD project's DVD.
Then the person can:
1]  download the whole archive list in that page
2]  make the folders using the archived folders and files
3]  Then update only those files/folders as they come available
instead of downloading the entire DVD ISO file, when it becomes
available.

No need for that procedure, because..
Well from your aspect, when the files are on your server.  But I am 
thinking about people who are in groups in the USA who are wanting to 
promote LibreOffice by handing out the latest version of someone's 
English DVD at the different meetings and events that these 
people/groups go to.  There are events in the USA this week that could 
get the latest files from us [including the one that are in the "theme" 
and "pics" folders] that are not easily saved via a browser system.  
These people would not have access to our FTP account as some of the 
TDF/LibreOffice people now have [or at least I emailed them the 
user/password info].  There people who do not have FTP access NEEDS some 
other way to get the files and folders from "us" that is easy if they 
had FTP access, but hard if they only have browser access.



[..]


That means that you will need to download a total of 2.2 GB instead of
4.x GB as an ISO file.

.. it's a matter of minutes to fetch all 4.x G to our server from your
webspace.


The link shown above is uploaded, but the archives will take hours and
hours at my 120 KB/sec max upload speed from my Cable Modem broadband
account. I am uploading the archives that are "not the install files"
first, then the "install files archives" second.

The install files are locally on the server anyways so in case of
bandwidth issues we could put them to the right place from there. I
assume even to look for how to achieve that, will last longer, than the
whole download, though.


9:00 am US Eastern time 4 of the 21 archives are uploaded.  Give it
about 10 hours or less to see all the archive files uploaded.

Just rise hands if Youre prepared - no need for fiddling around with
anything before that.


Gruß/regards



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/21/2011 07:56 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Hi drew, *,

drew schrieb:


On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 21:51 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

[..]


No. This enables authoring Your DVD in Silverstripe and have the
contents extracted to static html after that, which is required for
building the ISO.

Howdy,
First - the work on the SilverStripe tooling is very much appreciated.
For myself, I would really like to see us, the folks that have
contributed so far to this NA DVD project, make use of the
infrastructure going forward. There are many benefits to doing so, in
my opinion.

Can confirm Your assumption by experience ;o)).


My concern has been with the current state of the assembled files. By
which I mean that we have been going over all the files assembled with
an eye to licenses and fitness for redistribution. ( Jeff C. has put a
lot of effort into this due diligence step) In doing so a number of
problem files were flagged and removed.

Much of this work was already done by us focussed on german language
part but not exclusively. I optimistically look forward bringing
together these efforts.


Currently there is a large number of templates that are being
reviewed, it's only a matter of days before this is finished.

As well in this area we've already done much work.

The fact that your last "beta" DVD was about 2.7 GB in size, and our NA 
DVD is currently about 4 GB in size shows that we have a lot more 
content to go over.  Also at least one of your "artwork" .oxt files 
[Floral-Studio] seemed to have image content.  I even looked to see if I 
could get an up-to-date one for that file, but still seemed to have 
problems with it.  There were other .oxt files we found on our original 
list that either were "blank" or has issues and had to be removed from 
our DVD.  Many of the ones that were found on the OOo site seemed not to 
state that they can be used in a personal document but not in a business 
one.  So if we included them in our DVD and there were issues. . . . 
Other .oxt files loaded items where some could be used for business 
while others can not.  The only way to find this information on the per 
item basis was to unarchived the file and read the license file[s] 
contained there.  How many people know that there are license files 
"hidden" in some the .oxt files?  I did not till was told.

I never thought to look at the .oxt files as archived ones.

Until that is finished I would not be
comfortable pushing these files up to the community server. That is my
primary concern, giving any pause, at th moment.

No hurry from our side. It's an offer not limited by any ultimatum. ;o))

Our only hurry is we want to get this DVD out to the "public" as soon as 
we can, but there are still a few edits needed to be done.  One thing we 
found was the "Top" link in the footer of the pages taken directly from 
the original German 3.3.0 pages had issues on where the link went to.  
Some worked and some did not.  Some even pointed to places that it 
should not have been.  So I made sure they all worked.  Some of the 
issues must have came from the modifications I did, but some did not.  I 
checked the original files that I still have on backup and a few did not 
work in the original German DVD.

At that point I'd like to see us generate an ISO that would be viewed
as a beta for the disc image, for people to review. That also would
be, in my opinion, a good spot to actually start the work of moving
over to the community based server.

Just rise hands if You are prepared. Maybe response time lasts a bit -
we are all at the limit these days.

"Raise our Hands"?  well we will be ready as soon as we get our work 
done on this part of the project so the French and Spanish translation 
teams can start their work.  Then we can start a new process or whatever 
we want to after that, including dealing with your server system.



[..]

Gruß/regards



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/20/2011 04:51 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Hi Webmaster for Lungstrom.com, *,

Webmaster for Lungstrom.com schrieb:

On 03/18/2011 12:51 PM, Erich Christian wrote:

Am 18.03.2011 14:42, schrieb Webmaster for Lungstrom.com:

Am 17.03.2011 22:39, schrieb Erich Christian:



I do not know about "you" but it takes over 15 minutes to generate a
4 GB DVD on a dual core 2GHz Vista machine.

Our 2.8G ISO needs 3m 55s included creating md5sum so I assume the
software You use isn't very effective.

Our last ISO was about 4.4 GB in size and over 1,000 files.  Well I used 
Roxio, a paid DVD burner that came with the DELL computers.  I use 
Brasero on my Ubuntu desktop, but for some reason it wants to make all 
the filename  in "uppercase" letters.  That messes up the links and will 
not allow the CSS formats to be seem or open the PDF files via the 
browser, and much much more problems.  SO, I went with the "Vista" 
Laptop and the Roxio software.



[..]

Gruß/regards



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[libreoffice-projects] ISO files and folder archives - download method

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Started the process of uploading all the file and folder archives for

http://libreoffice-na.us/dvd-archives/dvd-folder-archives.html

This way every few days, or so, a person can look at this page and see 
if there is any changes in the files or folders for the North American 
Community DVD project's DVD.


Then the person can:

1]  download the whole archive list in that page

2]  make the folders using the archived folders and files

3]  Then update only those files/folders as they come available instead 
of downloading the entire DVD ISO file, when it becomes available.


The majority of the edits will be on the HTML files, and the rest will 
be done only as needed.  So the largest amount of download size will not 
need to be done except once every time the install versions change. 
Right now the install version is 3.3.1.  When it changes to 3.3.2, then 
the install files will change along with the HTML files reflecting that 
change. The extension, template, dictionary, etc. archives should not 
need to be changed.
That means that you will need to download a total of 2.2 GB instead of 
4.x GB as an ISO file.


The link shown above is uploaded, but the archives will take hours and 
hours at my 120 KB/sec max upload speed from my Cable Modem broadband 
account. I am uploading the archives that are "not the install files" 
first, then the "install files archives" second.


9:00 am US Eastern time 4 of the 21 archives are uploaded.  Give it 
about 10 hours or less to see all the archive files uploaded.


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Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/20/2011 02:14 PM, Erich Christian wrote:

Hi Tim, *

Am 18.03.2011 22:56, schrieb Webmaster for Lungstrom.com:

I've added icons to our link on projects page, I don't find a download
opportunity on your website, correct me if I'm wrong and/or tell me which
icon(s) you'd like to see with your link.


No we have no ISO download, YET.

This page my be an answer to downloading a complete ISO file every time 
there are changes.

http://libreoffice-na.us/dvd-archives/dvd-folder-archives.html
None of links for these folders are currently online.  This page was 
just a demonstration of what could be done.  We can offer the folder 
archives every time there is a change.  Then you download only the 
folders and files that are newer than your copy of them.  Right now, we 
are working on the HTML files and the folders containing the .oxt 
files.  The rest of the folders are mostly finished, so they do not need 
to be downloaded after the initial one.






So the "domain name" is always a good place [URL] to start with.

Jeff mentioned that he is up to start a site on our server, so let me
have your suggestion for a desireable subdomain. I'll set up the
subsites then and you can start getting familiar with Silverstripe.
I am for "north-america." since we are dealing with English first, then 
French and Spanish languages.  So we cannot use EN, ES, or FR.  NA is 
used somewhere for a language, as far as I know.  So using a two letter 
combination will be out.


So if we can have a longer sub-domain, I would approve.



Cheers
Erich




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/18/2011 12:51 PM, Erich Christian wrote:

Hi Tim, *

Am 18.03.2011 14:42, schrieb Webmaster for Lungstrom.com:



So the basic URL will do at time when I got you right?





Cheers
Erich
Thanks for adding our North American Community DVD project's URL 
"http://libreoffice-na.us/"; to the /projects/ page.


We are part of the one big "world" of "LibreOffice".  Our N.A.C.D. 
project is just one part of it, doing our best to serve our community[s] 
as best as we can.  One day soon, we will be done with our "beta" 
version of this DVD project, and finally be ready for "publishing".  
Without all the help/comments/suggestions of the members of the 
"TDF/LibreOffice/LibreOffice-Box/SC" "teams/groups/etc." we would not be 
as far along as we are.  What started out as something simple, for a DVD 
for local community use, has bloomed into a project that will serve a 
more wide spread community.


Thanks to you all, again.

Tim L.
Elmira, New York, USA, North America, World of LibreOffice.

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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Planet in your language?

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On 03/19/2011 09:11 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote:

Hi Tim,
On 19/03/2011 15:43, Webmaster for Lungstrom.com wrote:

On 03/19/2011 03:16 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote:

[...]



Hi Sophie, and All

I looked into the above link and tagged links shown with it. I have a
question. What is the "Planet"?


It's a blog aggregation. We get one for the Document Foundation, see
http://planet.documentfoundation.org/
So when I write on my blog, it is displayed on the planet of The 
Document Foundation, but also on my own blog or the other planets I'm 
subscribed to.




I have been out of the mainstream of the cutting edge of web page terms,
so I do not know what you mean by using the term of "Planet". So if I
have never heard of this, I assume there has to be others as well.


yes, you're right :)


I could make a guess, but that could easily be wrong.

So could someone explain what the "Planet" concept is? I saw the use of
the link "planet.libreoffice.org/de" as a explanation of the use of the
planet system. But that just tells me that "planet" would be a
sub-domain of the main domain of "libreoffice.org" and there will be a
"de" folder/page in that sub-domain. But that really does not tell me
what a "planet" is all about in web page design.


The idea is to get the possibility to aggregate the blogs per language 
but also have a display of all the language.
When we were in the OOo Community, we did settle a planet displaying 
all the languages. I really like it because it shows the richness and 
the diversity of our community. But on the language community and 
users side, it's really more convenient to be able to read a given 
language.


Kind regards
Sophie
That is the problem then.  I have never deal with "blogging" before.  I 
read a few, but never have done this myself.  So if this is a term used 
within the "Blog" communities, then I would never have heard of it.


I still do not "really" understand what you mean, but it is becoming 
clearer.  Thanks.  If I ever worked with, and read about, Blogs then I 
would have known what you are talking about.  It is just like a lot of 
people on these lists are using abbreviations for words or concepts.  I 
do not use instant messaging or phone texting so I do not know many of 
these "terms" and what they stand for.


Thanks Sophie.




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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Planet in your language?

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On 03/19/2011 03:16 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote:

Hi all,

We are opening a planet with language threads, see my mail [1], I know 
the following language are interested already, please add yours:


ES
FR
...
...

Once the list is completed, Flo will be able to set them. Thanks!


[1]

Kind regards
Sophie


Hi Sophie, and All

I looked into the above link and tagged links shown with it.  I have a 
question.  What is the "Planet"?


I have been out of the mainstream of the cutting edge of web page terms, 
so I do not know what you mean by using the term of "Planet".  So if I 
have never heard of this, I assume there has to be others as well.


I could make a guess, but that could easily be wrong.

So could someone explain what the "Planet" concept is?  I saw the use of 
the link "planet.libreoffice.org/de" as a explanation of the use of the 
planet system.  But that just tells me that "planet" would be a 
sub-domain of the main domain of "libreoffice.org" and there will be a 
"de" folder/page in that sub-domain.  But that really does not tell me 
what a "planet" is all about in web page design.



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/18/2011 12:51 PM, Erich Christian wrote:

Hi Tim, *

Am 18.03.2011 14:42, schrieb Webmaster for Lungstrom.com:

Am 17.03.2011 22:39, schrieb Erich Christian:

Are these sub-sites just English, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese,
etc., translations for the German version, or will they be their own
versions of the original site with content differences and such?

Subsites will be created on demand of teams like at LO website and the
teams are free to decide whether they want to translate or create their
own pages.

Thank you for clarifying this.



What happens with the projects that are different than the original
site, like our North American project?  Will it become something like
"north_american.libreofficebox.org" ?

Up to you actually, I don't really see any restrictions.



Thank you for clarifying this.
I think our project may be something like the above sub-domain.




1] The main site in English [standard some would say], but if there is
the ability for the site to access the visitor's default language, the
visitor would be forwarded to the correct language version of the main
site.

I guess there's the possibility to fetch the visitor's browser language
and redirect him, but this is far ahead because it is not our job to do
all the translations - we offer the environment for different teams to
do it, like on the LO website.

I know many sites do this, but once you get your pages translated to one 
or two other languages you might look into adding that feature to your 
domain.  Our project will have a manual language "bar" somewhat like 
what is one the "wiki" pages where you can click on the language and you 
go to that language's version of the displayed page and then stay with 
that language's pages till you switch to a different language.  Actually 
the "wiki" pages is what made me want to have that option for our site 
and DVD when we have more languages available than English.

2]  The main site would have a page listing all the different regional
projects sorted by language[s] and geographical region[s].

http://libreofficebox.org/projects/  is a start for this

 see the bottom of the email for the error message displayed - the 
web server is unable to "respond". . . .
Also on the projects page, the de.libre. . . . link worked before but 
the "develop" project link did not work.

3]  There will be a page where the visitor would find places to download
the ISO files from these different regional projects, and versions of
the CD/DVD projects in as many languages as available.

Each subsite can provide a download page on their website in the
according language.
It would be nice to have one page listing all the available places.  It 
would be convenient for the user/visitor.  Could you have a symbol/icon 
of a CD/DVD next to the name of the project and/or the projects link 
giving the user an indicator that that project has a DVD, ISO download 
or media to "sell", or other icons that indicate something about the 
project.  Language icon, ISO icon, region icon?  Something like the 
icons on the DVD project showing if the link is to a Writer file, and 
archived file, a web link, and email link, and all the other ones in the 
theme folders.

4] There will be a page that list groups or individuals where a visitor
can purchase a physical copy of a DVD or CD so there would be no need to
use their bandwidth to download up to 4.4 GB of file size of an ISO file
and then burn the ISO to a working CD or DVD for their use.  Have this
list sorted, again, by language[s] and geographical region[s].  This way
the visitor can find a "seller" that is the closest to their location
and have the least amount of shipping cost to them.

Up to the teams again, we'll provide the space for a website and a
development site as I have written.
As before, a list of these sites [whether project sites or other web 
pages] and an icon next to the link showing there is a link to the DVD 
for sale.

Actually, a nice marketing "tag line" for the "seller" would be "with
ever DVD purchase, we will donate a portion of the sale to LibreOffice
and The Document Foundation".  I would think people would like that.  If
it costs $10 USD to make a professionally printed DVD and Case, ant it
takes $5 USD to ship it to the buyer, the buyer would not be to unhappy
if the seller adds on a $1 or $2 to that price for a donation.  So the
sale would be $11 plus $5 shipping and processing, with the seller
sending a check to The Document Foundation/LibreOffice for each purchase
as a donation.

see above
"see above"? I do not know where you mean.  This was just an idea for 
those who might be thinking about offering a physical DVD for 
sale/shipped to the visitors.  I was just thinking about a way TDF/LO 
could have an income/donation source.  Every not-for-profit organization 
needs t

Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/18/2011 05:45 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote:

Hi Sophie,
Am 18.03.2011 09:02, schrieb Sophie Gautier:

Hi Erich
On 18/03/2011 02:43, Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote:



LO0Box (LibreOfficeOutoftheBox)


Is the 0 (null) right? Then you will get many mistakes in pronouncing 
and writing.


I thought we should not use LO as logogram?!

So:
LibOBox or
LiBO0Box or
LibOB

But the best of these is 'LibOx'.

I think we should keep "LibreOffice" in the name so people who do not 
know the "shortened" version of the name could find it in a search or 
remember it.



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/18/2011 04:02 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote:

Hi Erich
On 18/03/2011 02:43, Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote:

what about 'LibOx'?

So, some quick but not very satisfying proposals either:

Box(Libre)Office
LibreOfficeLive
LO0Box (LibreOfficeOutoftheBox)

Again, thanks a lot for sharing all this work, this is really great!
Kind regards
Sophie


I like "LibreOfficeLive".
How about: LibreOffice-Project, LibreOffice-Communities, 
LibreOffice-Suite, LibreOffice-Portal



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Re: [libreoffice-projects] libreofficebox teams and subsites

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On 03/18/2011 02:47 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote:

Hi Erich,
Am 17.03.2011 22:39, schrieb Erich Christian:

Hi @ll,

We have finished the first step of our move and are up to prepare
Silverstripe and the iso generating scripts on libreofficebox.org for
multilingual use.

Like we do ourselves we're thinking of offering subdomains to every
interested NL team for the use as a website concerning the dvd and a
second sublevel domain to be used for development of the dvd ui. The dvd
ui can be exported together with all linked files prior to an upcoming
release of a dvd into static html, the iso file will be generated by
script from this export.
At the moment iso distribution still works manually but we're also up to
create a smooth workflow in this concern, which will feed the isos to
mirrorbrain and bittorrent in the near future (as we're on the
appropriate server now).

We're looking forward to hear from you what kind of subs you would want
to use, just for example could be es.libreofficebox.org together with
devel.es.libreofficebox.org or whatever fits better to your 
requirements.


We have also created a simple landing page and contact form in english
to start with and so offering an easy approach for the community, it's
going to be available via www.libreofficebox.org.



Maybe you should put a link to http://de.libreofficebox.org/ on the 
landing page as an excellent example as long as there are no other 
websites.


Or even put  a menu point "International Sites" on it as it is on 
libreoffice.org.


Show what you guys have done yet, it is a great job to see it.

Are these sub-sites just English, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, 
etc., translations for the German version, or will they be their own 
versions of the original site with content differences and such?


What happens with the projects that are different than the original 
site, like our North American project?  Will it become something like 
"north_american.libreofficebox.org" ?


I would love to see one place where all the different projects will be 
seen and the visitor can choose to go to each project's page[s] and DVD 
offering.  Currently there are several DVD projects being worked on.  It 
would be nice to have all of these DVD projects listed in an easy to 
find place so the visitor to the site can find the "right" ISO download 
for their needs.  Also that list could include places for the visitors 
to find the groups that are offering physical media for sale.  The "old" 
OOo site use to have such a list, but Oracle's new site is lacking a lot 
of the mirror and purchase sites that they had when Sun was in charge.  
I know several people in my building who asked me about where they could 
purchase the DVD.  These people do not have fast Internet access or none 
at all [since the building has a computer center for that use].  So here 
is my list of "parts" of good "International" site.


1] The main site in English [standard some would say], but if there is 
the ability for the site to access the visitor's default language, the 
visitor would be forwarded to the correct language version of the main site.


2]  The main site would have a page listing all the different regional 
projects sorted by language[s] and geographical region[s].


3]  There will be a page where the visitor would find places to download 
the ISO files from these different regional projects, and versions of 
the CD/DVD projects in as many languages as available.


4] There will be a page that list groups or individuals where a visitor 
can purchase a physical copy of a DVD or CD so there would be no need to 
use their bandwidth to download up to 4.4 GB of file size of an ISO file 
and then burn the ISO to a working CD or DVD for their use.  Have this 
list sorted, again, by language[s] and geographical region[s].  This way 
the visitor can find a "seller" that is the closest to their location 
and have the least amount of shipping cost to them.


Actually, a nice marketing "tag line" for the "seller" would be "with 
ever DVD purchase, we will donate a portion of the sale to LibreOffice 
and The Document Foundation".  I would think people would like that.  If 
it costs $10 USD to make a professionally printed DVD and Case, ant it 
takes $5 USD to ship it to the buyer, the buyer would not be to unhappy 
if the seller adds on a $1 or $2 to that price for a donation.  So the 
sale would be $11 plus $5 shipping and processing, with the seller 
sending a check to The Document Foundation/LibreOffice for each purchase 
as a donation.


[quote]
"We have finished the first step of our move and are up to prepare
Silverstripe and the iso generating scripts on libreofficebox.org for
multilingual use"
[unquote]

What does this mean?  It seems to read that there will be a script that 
will generate an ISO file "on demand" for the visitor.  I do not know 
about "you" but it takes over 15 minutes to generate a 4 GB DVD on a 
dual core 2GHz Vista machine.


[quote]
The dvd u

[libreoffice-projects] Re: Digest of projects@libreoffice.org issue 3 (7)

[Webmaster for Lungstrom.com]

On 03/08/2011 10:02 AM, projects+h...@libreoffice.org wrote:

Topics (messages 7 through 7):

[libreoffice-projects] QA for 3.3.2 RC1
   7 - Sophie Gautier



I am getting a digest version of this list.

Is there a way to get the "standard" list showing each email when it 
comes in - so to speak?




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