Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Gordon Kent]

Actually, I forgot that the bcf2000 doesn’t 
need drivers for mac, and should still work.  Let’s hope so.  
Gord

From: Kevin Reeves 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 9:06 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

I've been recording to an SSD for the past three years. No problems here, and I 
  Have recorded eight tracks at a time when recording multi track. This is 
directly to the OS drive.  ProTools has been snappy, and incredibly responsive. 
Not only that, but I'm also playing sample libraries off of the exact same 
drive. Not to mention, this is all on an antiquated 2009 MacBook Pro.  When I 
got into this whole SSD thing, Brian Smart told me a long time ago that due to 
the speeds of SSD, I would no longer have to compartmentalize everything that 
I'm doing. He has  proven himself right. I have a secondary hard drive in this 
laptop that is a 750 RPM spinning drive, and I actually noticed a performance 
loss when recording to it. So, the SSD wins. As far as avid not approving SSDs, 
I'm not sure what that's all about. All of the guys on ProTools expert swear by 
solid-state drives, and Have  said nothing about ProTools not working properly 
with it.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 28, 2016, at 11:26 AM, TheOreoMonster <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Agreed re using SSD for recording drives. Las t i looked avid still didn’t 
qualify SSD’s for audio drives. They are great as OS drives and for holding 
your sample libraries though. Also I assume you aren’t recording more than one 
track at a time and you don’t deal with massive projects with large track/plug 
in counts.  This probably explains why you have no issues with  running off the 
OS drive and for most people in a home studio that may work most times.  

On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:09 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> 
wrote:

Let’s try that again.  Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a 
limited amount of write cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that. 
For that reason, SSD drives are great for an OS drive or operating system as 
you are not punishing them in the same way as you do an audio drive.
 



From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Phil Muir
Sent: 28 April 2016 06:46
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
 
Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a limited amount of write 
cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that. For thatreason, SSD drives 
are great for an OS drive or opperating system as you are not punnishing them 
in the same way as you do an audio drive.

On 28 April 2016 06:26:49 BST, Kevin Reeves <reeves...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just upgrade to an ssd. Pro tools does not require 2 drives. It's just best 
practice with spinning drives. I record to my Samsung ssd with no problems on a 
2009 m b p running elcap. 
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Steve Martin <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote: 
  The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal 
Hard drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro tools usually 
requires you to record to an separate HD than your system drive and that way 
you have two drives internally and won’t have to bring an external USB or etc 
drive.  Or just to have a separate OS on each drive. 
On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir 
<i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> wrote:
 
Gord.  You don’t need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a 
larger hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That’s easy enough to do using 
command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for 
you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15 inch 
MacBook Pro.
 



From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
 
I might give this serious fault.  
My macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a 
tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el 
capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved 
some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain numeric 
values and the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi studio accessible.  
If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run boot camp to 
switch between the os’s if I wanted to.
Gord
 
From: Ricky Prevatte
Sent: 

Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Gordon Kent]

That is what I’m thinking of doing.  I 
would replace the dvd drive with a mechanical hd for audio data..  
Gord

From: TheOreoMonster 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:26 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

Agreed re using SSD for recording drives. Las t i looked avid still didn’t 
qualify SSD’s for audio drives. They are great as OS drives and for holding 
your sample libraries though. Also I assume you aren’t recording more than one 
track at a time and you don’t deal with massive projects with large track/plug 
in counts.  This probably explains why you have no issues with  running off the 
OS drive and for most people in a home studio that may work most times.  

  On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:09 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> 
wrote:

  Let’s try that again.  Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a 
limited amount of write cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that. 
For that reason, SSD drives are great for an OS drive or operating system as 
you are not punishing them in the same way as you do an audio drive.
   

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  From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Phil Muir
  Sent: 28 April 2016 06:46
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
   
  Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a limited amount of write 
cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that. For thatreason, SSD drives 
are great for an OS drive or opperating system as you are not punnishing them 
in the same way as you do an audio drive.

  On 28 April 2016 06:26:49 BST, Kevin Reeves <reeves...@gmail.com> wrote:
  Just upgrade to an ssd. Pro tools does not require 2 drives. It's just best 
practice with spinning drives. I record to my Samsung ssd with no problems on a 
2009 m b p running elcap. 
  Sent from my iPhone

  On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Steve Martin <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote:

The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal 
Hard drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro tools usually 
requires you to record to an separate HD than your system drive and that way 
you have two drives internally and won’t have to bring an external USB or etc 
drive.  Or just to have a separate OS on each drive. 
  On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> 
wrote:
   
  Gord.  You don’t need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a 
larger hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That’s easy enough to do using 
command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for 
you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15 inch 
MacBook Pro.
   

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  From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Gordon Kent
  Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
   
  I might give this serious fault.  My 
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a tower 
system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el capitan.  
I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved some of the 
accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain numeric values and 
the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi studio accessible.  If I 
removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run boot camp to switch 
between the os’s if I wanted to.
  Gord
   
  From: Ricky Prevatte
  Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
   
  I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and 
had to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic 
as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself out 
of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that way. I 
have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I have no 
interest in a newer Apple Computer.

  Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
   

  On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
But don’t I need to be running el 
capitan to run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would 
think yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  
Gord
 
From: Ricky Prevatte
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
 
Hi Gordon I b

Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Gordon Kent]

I’ll have to try to resurect the project mix.  I think 
the firewire port is screwed up.  
Gord

From: Kevin Reeves 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:20 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

Project mix works great in pro tools as well. Anything that can do h u I is 
fine. Even under elcap 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> wrote:


  No reason why you can’t still use the Behrenger BCF2000 in Pro Tools 12.5 as 
nothing has changed there.

   


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  From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Gordon Kent
  Sent: 26 April 2016 01:58
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Subject: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

   

  It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had it 
working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control surface.  
Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t think my 
m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are we 
relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be good 
enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  

  Gord

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Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Kevin Reeves]

I've been recording to an SSD for the past three years. No problems here, and I 
  Have recorded eight tracks at a time when recording multi track. This is 
directly to the OS drive.  ProTools has been snappy, and incredibly responsive. 
Not only that, but I'm also playing sample libraries off of the exact same 
drive. Not to mention, this is all on an antiquated 2009 MacBook Pro.  When I 
got into this whole SSD thing, Brian Smart told me a long time ago that due to 
the speeds of SSD, I would no longer have to compartmentalize everything that 
I'm doing. He has  proven himself right. I have a secondary hard drive in this 
laptop that is a 750 RPM spinning drive, and I actually noticed a performance 
loss when recording to it. So, the SSD wins. As far as avid not approving SSDs, 
I'm not sure what that's all about. All of the guys on ProTools expert swear by 
solid-state drives, and Have  said nothing about ProTools not working properly 
with it.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 11:26 AM, TheOreoMonster <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Agreed re using SSD for recording drives. Las t i looked avid still didn’t 
> qualify SSD’s for audio drives. They are great as OS drives and for holding 
> your sample libraries though. Also I assume you aren’t recording more than 
> one track at a time and you don’t deal with massive projects with large 
> track/plug in counts.  This probably explains why you have no issues with  
> running off the OS drive and for most people in a home studio that may work 
> most times.  
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:09 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Let’s try that again.  Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a 
>> limited amount of write cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that. 
>> For that reason, SSD drives are great for an OS drive or operating system as 
>> you are not punishing them in the same way as you do an audio drive.
>>  
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Phil Muir
>> Sent: 28 April 2016 06:46
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>  
>> Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a limited amount of write 
>> cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that. For thatreason, SSD 
>> drives are great for an OS drive or opperating system as you are not 
>> punnishing them in the same way as you do an audio drive.
>> 
>> On 28 April 2016 06:26:49 BST, Kevin Reeves <reeves...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Just upgrade to an ssd. Pro tools does not require 2 drives. It's just best 
>> practice with spinning drives. I record to my Samsung ssd with no problems 
>> on a 2009 m b p running elcap. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Steve Martin <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal 
>>> Hard drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro tools usually 
>>> requires you to record to an separate HD than your system drive and that 
>>> way you have two drives internally and won’t have to bring an external USB 
>>> or etc drive.  Or just to have a separate OS on each drive. 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Gord.  You don’t need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a 
>>>> larger hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That’s easy enough to do 
>>>> using command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the 
>>>> disk for you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 
>>>> 2012 15 inch MacBook Pro.
>>>>  
>>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Gordon Kent
>>>> Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
>>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>>>  
>>>> I might give this serious fault.  My 
>>>> macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a 
>>>> tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in 
>>>> el capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick 
>>>> solved some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading 
>>>> certain numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi 
>>>> studio accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD

RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Chris Smart]

and perhaps for a drive that stores samples, large soft synths, and 
sound effect libraries. Sure speeds up opening large projects.


At 03:09 AM 4/28/2016, you wrote:
Let's try that again.  Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have 
a limited amount of write cycles. That's why I personally still 
won't do that. For that reason, SSD drives are great for an OS drive 
or operating system as you are not punishing them in the same way as 
you do an audio drive.



--
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Phil Muir

Sent: 28 April 2016 06:46
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a limited amount of 
write cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that. For 
thatreason, SSD drives are great for an OS drive or opperating 
system as you are not punnishing them in the same way as you do an audio drive.

On 28 April 2016 06:26:49 BST, Kevin Reeves <reeves...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just upgrade to an ssd. Pro tools does not require 2 drives. It's 
just best practice with spinning drives. I record to my Samsung ssd 
with no problems on a 2009 m b p running elcap.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Steve Martin 
<<mailto:monkeypushe...@gmail.com>monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote:
The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two 
internal Hard drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro 
tools usually requires you to record to an separate HD than your 
system drive and that way you have two drives internally and won't 
have to bring an external USB or etc drive.  Or just to have a 
separate OS on each drive.
On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir 
<<mailto:i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> 
wrote:


Gord.  You don't need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to 
fit a larger hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That's easy 
enough to do using command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp 
manager to partition the disk for you.  Doing that here with my 
Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15 inch MacBook Pro.



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From: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
[<mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>mailto:<mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Gordon Kent

Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

I might give this serious 
fault.  My macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer 
mac, it will be a tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less 
about the new features in el capitan.  I would rather have pt 
working the way it should.  Maverick solved some of the 
accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain numeric 
values and the like.  And apple still hasn't made the midi studio 
accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second 
HD and run boot camp to switch between the os's if I wanted to.

Gord

From: <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>Ricky Prevatte
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM
To: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with 
Yosemite and had to roll back. All of that stuff works well with 
the latest version of logic as well on those older operating 
systems. I am not going to upgrade myself out of house and home I 
have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that way. I have a 
nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I have 
no interest in a newer Apple Computer.


Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent 
<<mailto:dbmu...@cybernex.net>dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
But don't I need to be running 
el capitan to run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the 
best, but I would think yossemity would be as far back as you could go.

Gord

From: <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>Ricky Prevatte
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
To: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled 
back to Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If 
there is an issue that you need the newer update I understand but 
it may be cheaper and I know there is no learning curve there. I 
use my Presonus studio live for my console. It will not support 
El Capitan as well. I just bought a control surface and mackie 
MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it did run 
with El Capitan.
I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues 
you mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

On Apr 25

Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[TheOreoMonster]

Agreed re using SSD for recording drives. Las t i looked avid still didn’t 
qualify SSD’s for audio drives. They are great as OS drives and for holding 
your sample libraries though. Also I assume you aren’t recording more than one 
track at a time and you don’t deal with massive projects with large track/plug 
in counts.  This probably explains why you have no issues with  running off the 
OS drive and for most people in a home studio that may work most times.  
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:09 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> Let’s try that again.  Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a 
> limited amount of write cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that. 
> For that reason, SSD drives are great for an OS drive or operating system as 
> you are not punishing them in the same way as you do an audio drive.
>  
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> [mailto: 
> <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Phil Muir
> Sent: 28 April 2016 06:46
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a limited amount of write 
> cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that. For thatreason, SSD 
> drives are great for an OS drive or opperating system as you are not 
> punnishing them in the same way as you do an audio drive.
> 
> On 28 April 2016 06:26:49 BST, Kevin Reeves <reeves...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:reeves...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Just upgrade to an ssd. Pro tools does not require 2 drives. It's just best 
> practice with spinning drives. I record to my Samsung ssd with no problems on 
> a 2009 m b p running elcap. 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Steve Martin <monkeypushe...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:monkeypushe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal Hard 
>> drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro tools usually requires 
>> you to record to an separate HD than your system drive and that way you have 
>> two drives internally and won’t have to bring an external USB or etc drive.  
>> Or just to have a separate OS on each drive. 
>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk 
>>> <mailto:i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Gord.  You don’t need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a 
>>> larger hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That’s easy enough to do 
>>> using command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the 
>>> disk for you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 
>>> 2012 15 inch MacBook Pro.
>>>  
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> [mailto: 
>>> <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Gordon Kent
>>> Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>>  
>>> I might give this serious fault.  My 
>>> macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a 
>>> tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el 
>>> capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick 
>>> solved some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading 
>>> certain numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi 
>>> studio accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD 
>>> and run boot camp to switch between the os’s if I wanted to.
>>> Gord
>>>  
>>> From: Ricky Prevatte <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>>  
>>> I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had 
>>> to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic 
>>> as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself 
>>> out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it 
>>> that way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD 
>>> d

RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

Let's try that again.  Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a
limited amount of write cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that.
For that reason, SSD drives are great for an OS drive or operating system as
you are not punishing them in the same way as you do an audio drive.

 

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Phil Muir
Sent: 28 April 2016 06:46
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a limited amount of write
cycles. That's why I personally still won't do that. For thatreason, SSD
drives are great for an OS drive or opperating system as you are not
punnishing them in the same way as you do an audio drive.

On 28 April 2016 06:26:49 BST, Kevin Reeves <reeves...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just upgrade to an ssd. Pro tools does not require 2 drives. It's just best
practice with spinning drives. I record to my Samsung ssd with no problems
on a 2009 m b p running elcap. 
Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Steve Martin <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote:

The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal Hard
drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro tools usually requires
you to record to an separate HD than your system drive and that way you have
two drives internally and won't have to bring an external USB or etc drive.
Or just to have a separate OS on each drive. 

On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
wrote:

 

Gord.  You don't need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a larger
hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That's easy enough to do using
command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for
you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15
inch MacBook Pro.

 


  _  


From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I might give this serious fault.  My
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a
tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el
capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved
some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain
numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn't made the midi studio
accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run
boot camp to switch between the os's if I wanted to.

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had
to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic
as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself
out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that
way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I
have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

 

On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

But don't I need to be running el capitan to
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue
that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know
there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my
console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control
surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it
did run with El Capitan.
I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you
mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

 

On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

It's been quite a while since I've used pro tools.
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os's mountain lion etc., I had
it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control
surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don't
think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are
we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist ser

Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

Keep in mind though that SSD drives only have a limited amount of write cycles. 
 That's why I personally still won't do that.  For thatreason, SSD drives are 
great for an OS drive or opperating system as you are not punnishing them in 
the same way as you do an audio drive.

On 28 April 2016 06:26:49 BST, Kevin Reeves <reeves...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Just upgrade to an ssd. Pro tools does not require 2 drives. It's just
>best practice with spinning drives. I record to my Samsung ssd with no
>problems on a 2009 m b p running elcap. 
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Steve Martin <monkeypushe...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> 
>> The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two
>internal Hard drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro
>tools usually requires you to record to an separate HD than your system
>drive and that way you have two drives internally and won’t have to
>bring an external USB or etc drive.  Or just to have a separate OS on
>each drive. 
>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir
><i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gord.  You don’t need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit
>a larger hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That’s easy enough to
>do using command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to
>partition the disk for you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB
>drive in this mid 2012 15 inch MacBook Pro.
>>>  
>>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com]
>On Behalf Of Gordon Kent
>>> Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>>  
>>> I might give this serious fault.
>My macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will
>be a tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new
>features in el capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it
>should.  Maverick solved some of the accessibility problems with pro
>tools not reading certain numeric values and the like.  And apple still
>hasn’t made the midi studio accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I
>could put in a second HD and run boot camp to switch between the os’s
>if I wanted to.
>>> Gord
>>>  
>>> From: Ricky Prevatte
>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>>  
>>> I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite
>and had to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest
>version of logic as well on those older operating systems. I am not
>going to upgrade myself out of house and home I have thisDAW Running
>well I am going to keep it that way. I have a nice quick hard drive in
>the old laptop I have my CD drive I have no interest in a newer Apple
>Computer.
>>> 
>>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net>
>wrote:
>>>>     But don’t I need to be running el
>capitan to run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I
>would think yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  
>>>> Gord
>>>>  
>>>> From: Ricky Prevatte
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
>>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>>>  
>>>> Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled
>back to Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is
>an issue that you need the newer update I understand but it may be
>cheaper and I know there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus
>studio live for my console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I
>just bought a control surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as
>well. I have heard that it did run with El Capitan.
>>>> I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues
>you mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
>>>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net>
>wrote:
>>>>> It’s been quite a while since I’ve used
>pro tools.  Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain
>lion etc., I had it working great with my alesis master control audio
>interface/control surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with
>el capitan.  I don’t think my m-audio project mix

Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Kevin Reeves]

Just upgrade to an ssd. Pro tools does not require 2 drives. It's just best 
practice with spinning drives. I record to my Samsung ssd with no problems on a 
2009 m b p running elcap. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Steve Martin <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal Hard 
> drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro tools usually requires 
> you to record to an separate HD than your system drive and that way you have 
> two drives internally and won’t have to bring an external USB or etc drive.  
> Or just to have a separate OS on each drive. 
>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Gord.  You don’t need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a larger 
>> hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That’s easy enough to do using 
>> command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for 
>> you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15 
>> inch MacBook Pro.
>>  
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Gordon Kent
>> Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>  
>> I might give this serious fault.  My 
>> macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a 
>> tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el 
>> capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved 
>> some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain 
>> numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi studio 
>> accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run 
>> boot camp to switch between the os’s if I wanted to.
>> Gord
>>  
>> From: Ricky Prevatte
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>  
>> I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had 
>> to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic 
>> as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself 
>> out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that 
>> way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I 
>> have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.
>> 
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
>>> But don’t I need to be running el capitan 
>>> to run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think 
>>> yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  
>>> Gord
>>>  
>>> From: Ricky Prevatte
>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
>>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>>  
>>> Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
>>> Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue 
>>> that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I 
>>> know there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my 
>>> console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control 
>>> surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it 
>>> did run with El Capitan.
>>> I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you 
>>> mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
>>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
>>>> It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools. 
>>>>  Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I 
>>>> had it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control 
>>>> surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t 
>>>> think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  
>>>> Are we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would 
>>>> that be good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  
>>>> Gord
>>>> -- 
>>>> You received this mes

Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Kevin Reeves]

Project mix works great in pro tools as well. Anything that can do h u I is 
fine. Even under elcap 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Phil Muir  
> wrote:
> 
> No reason why you can’t still use the Behrenger BCF2000 in Pro Tools 12.5 as 
> nothing has changed there.
>  
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Gordon Kent
> Sent: 26 April 2016 01:58
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
> Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had 
> it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control 
> surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t 
> think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are 
> we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be 
> good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3. 
> Gord
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RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

Flexibility is a good thing.  Just didn't find it that intuitive.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of TheOreoMonster
Sent: 27 April 2016 03:13
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

well if those are the reasons you didn't like it on windows you won't on OS
X either. it's flexibility is one of its strengths ad probably the only
reason i am able to use it on OS X.  Good to hear its not just HSC, figured
that couldn't be the case. It would be good to have options. 
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
wrote:
> 
> No it's not just an HSC solution.  It's about 90% Jaws scripting with HSC
> only used where necessary and even that's intograted with scripts.
Curious
> to know how you are finding Reaper in Mac land?  Never did get on with it
in
> Windows.  Too geeky for me.  Also, wasn't personally that impressed with
how
> it sounds.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: 26 April 2016 20:32
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
> 
> That object based editing you speak of Phill is already available and
> accessible in reaper. Its one of the reason i stopped using ProTools
> and switch to reaper as my Main DAW on OSX a couple years ago. Loved
> using Samplitude back in the day when i had some sight with zoomtext
> Curious to see waht you guys do with it. Hopefully its not just a HSC
> solution. I don't know how i feel about just using HSC as my interface
> to a DAW. That being said, at this point it would take alot to get me
> to use windows again so i am probably not the target audience lol.
> 
> On 4/26/16, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> wrote:
>> Ricky wrote: I take it Money is not the issue you like myself would spend
>> whatever it took to do an excellent job.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Phil replied: already spent quite a bit on this laptop, smile.  Put in a
>> Samsung solid-state Evo and 16GB of RAM.  Currently running the audio on
> an
>> external USB3 drive although long term will most likely move that to a
>> thunderbolt drive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ricky wrote: I have a 2000 1215 inch and I have a 500 gig hard drive. I
>> took
>> that out and use a hybrid drive but they sell a solid-state for around
> $300
>> you could get a three or 4 TB to go in there. When I track I have an
>> external hard drive but I have used the internal with no plug-ins
tracking
>> a
>> session and never crashed just with my hybrid hard drive. You can really
>> make that laptop a hot rod for three or 400 bucks run your Boot Camp,
have
>> your ProTools and all that good stuff. This will help you make the
> decision
>> on how much you want to try the Apple platform. I would have a logic
>> installed as well because I believe you like to experiment as I do.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Phil replied: correct.  Am sure I will purchase Logic at some point.  In
>> the
>> mean time, just purchased the Samplitude Pro X2 Suite for use on the
>> Windows
>> platform.  There's a guy over here in the UK creating a very cool
>> accessibility solution for it.  We think we will probably be able to get
>> per
>> track spectral editing going which would be fantastic.  BTW, if any of
you
>> on here use clip gain then using Samplitude is like that on steroids as
> you
>> can add any affect you like and it's all non destructive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ricky wrote: The ProTools 12 and Mavericks are going to get along good
> with
>> the set up like I have described max out your RAM as well when you do
this
>> upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Phil replied: well either on the Mac or Windows side it's all running
> suite
>> here.
>> 
>>  _
>> 
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ricky Prevatte
>> Sent: 26 April 2016 17:48
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I take it Money is not the issue you like myself would spend whatever it
>> took to do an excellent job. I have a 2000 1215 inch and I have a 500 gig
>> hard drive. I took that out and use a hybrid drive but they sell a
>> solid-state for around $300 you could get a three or 4 TB to go in there.
>> When I track I have an external hard drive but I have used the internal
>> with
>> no plug-ins tracking a session and never 

RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

With regard to the battery, that doesn't sound good.  Don't remember Gord
saying anything about that.  Agree though about the portability side of this
and adding RAM etc to slightly older MacBook Pro's.  Love my mid 2012 15
inch I7 2.7 ghZ.

 

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shawn Brock
Sent: 27 April 2016 13:24
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Putting in a 2nd Drive is no big deal, and fairly inexpensive. Lots of
people perform the task themselves, but even if you use a third-party such
as simply Mac, it will still only cost you a few hundred dollars. This is
assuming you want to go for something like a 256 SSD. Eventually I will do
this with my MacBook pro, but for the time being I use a highly rated
thunderbolt Drive. I was able to get a good deal on eBay on one which was
brand-new, one terabyte for about $200. Still I am going to add an
additional SSD, but I don't consider my money to be lost on the thunderbolt
Drive anyhow as at that point I will use it simply for storage and backup.
Seems like we have a different opinion of the MacBook Pro. For me, having
the mobility and power have been great, though I would not want to go with
one of the newer ones which are more of a headache to upgrade or change
anything out on.

By the way, the battery problem you had is pretty common. Folks argue that
if you leave it plugged in it don't make a difference and all of that, but
definitely not the case. Our I T guy here at the University had the same
thing happened to him, and the battery swelled up and started pushing the
case apart.

 

As for the control surface I have nothing to offer, I have hung on Yosemite
and ProTools 12.5.   


On Apr 26, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

I have a 512 ssd drive in there.  But it would be nice to
have a separate drive for audio in there anyway.  

Gord

 

From: Phil Muir <mailto:i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>  

Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:15 AM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Gord.  You don't need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a larger
hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That's easy enough to do using
command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for
you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15
inch MacBook Pro.

 


  _  


From:  <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> ptaccess@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I might give this serious fault.  My
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a
tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el
capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved
some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain
numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn't made the midi studio
accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run
boot camp to switch between the os's if I wanted to.

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte 

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had
to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic
as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself
out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that
way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I
have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

But don't I need to be running el capitan to
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte 

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue
that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know
there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my
console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control
surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it
did run with El Capitan.
I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you
men

Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Shawn Brock]

Putting in a 2nd Drive is no big deal, and fairly inexpensive. Lots of people 
perform the task themselves, but even if you use a third-party such as simply 
Mac, it will still only cost you a few hundred dollars. This is assuming you 
want to go for something like a 256 SSD. Eventually I will do this with my 
MacBook pro, but for the time being I use a highly rated thunderbolt Drive. I 
was able to get a good deal on eBay on one which was brand-new, one terabyte 
for about $200. Still I am going to add an additional SSD, but I don't consider 
my money to be lost on the thunderbolt Drive anyhow as at that point I will use 
it simply for storage and backup. Seems like we have a different opinion of the 
MacBook Pro. For me, having the mobility and power have been great, though I 
would not want to go with one of the newer ones which are more of a headache to 
upgrade or change anything out on.
By the way, the battery problem you had is pretty common. Folks argue that if 
you leave it plugged in it don't make a difference and all of that, but 
definitely not the case. Our I T guy here at the University had the same thing 
happened to him, and the battery swelled up and started pushing the case apart.

As for the control surface I have nothing to offer, I have hung on Yosemite and 
ProTools 12.5.   

> On Apr 26, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
> 
> I have a 512 ssd drive in there.  But it would be nice to 
> have a separate drive for audio in there anyway. 
> Gord
>  
> From: Phil Muir
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:15 AM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> Gord.  You don’t need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a larger 
> hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That’s easy enough to do using command 
> line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for you.  
> Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15 inch 
> MacBook Pro.
>  
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Gordon Kent
> Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> I might give this serious fault.  My 
> macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a 
> tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el 
> capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved 
> some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain numeric 
> values and the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi studio accessible. 
>  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run boot camp to 
> switch between the os’s if I wanted to.
> Gord
>  
> From: Ricky Prevatte
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had 
> to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic 
> as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself 
> out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that 
> way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I 
> have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.
> 
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
>> But don’t I need to be running el capitan to 
>> run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think 
>> yossemity would be as far back as you could go. 
>> Gord
>>  
>> From: Ricky Prevatte
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>  
>> Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
>> Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue 
>> that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know 
>> there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my 
>> console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control 
>> surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it 
>> did run with El Capitan.
>> I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you 
>> mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
>>> It’s been qu

Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[TheOreoMonster]

Have you actually tried using it in el Cap? Just because its not supported 
does’ necessarily mean it won’t work. 

> On Apr 26, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
> 
> If I wanted to use my master mix surface which really has 
> a sweet jog wheel and worked well
> with pt, I would have to go down to Maverick as they say it stopped working 
> in Yossemity. 
> Gord
> From: Phil Muir <mailto:i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:19 AM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> Currently running Pro Tools 12.5 here in Yosemite.  Any reason to downgrade 
> to Mavericks?  BTW, either OS works.  Here's the qualifying chart for Mac:
>  
> http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Compatibility/Pro-Tools-12-System-Requirements
>  
> <http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Compatibility/Pro-Tools-12-System-Requirements>
>  
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> [mailto: 
> <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Gordon Kent
> Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> I might give this serious fault.  My 
> macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a 
> tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el 
> capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved 
> some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain numeric 
> values and the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi studio accessible. 
>  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run boot camp to 
> switch between the os’s if I wanted to.
> Gord
>  
> From: Ricky Prevatte <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had 
> to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic 
> as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself 
> out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that 
> way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I 
> have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.
> 
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
> 
> On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net 
> <mailto:dbmu...@cybernex.net>> wrote:
> 
>> But don’t I need to be running el capitan to 
>> run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think 
>> yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  
>> Gord
>>  
>> From: Ricky Prevatte <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>  
>> Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
>> Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue 
>> that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know 
>> there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my 
>> console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control 
>> surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it 
>> did run with El Capitan.
>> I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you 
>> mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net 
>> <mailto:dbmu...@cybernex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>> It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
>>> Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had 
>>> it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control 
>>> surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t 
>>> think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  
>>> Are we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would 
>>> that be good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  
>>> Gord
>

Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[TheOreoMonster]

well if those are the reasons you didn’t like it on windows you won’t on OS X 
either. it’s flexibility is one of its strengths ad probably the only reason i 
am able to use it on OS X.  Good to hear its not just HSC, figured that 
couldn’t be the case. It would be good to have options. 
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> No it's not just an HSC solution.  It's about 90% Jaws scripting with HSC
> only used where necessary and even that's intograted with scripts.  Curious
> to know how you are finding Reaper in Mac land?  Never did get on with it in
> Windows.  Too geeky for me.  Also, wasn't personally that impressed with how
> it sounds.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of TheOreoMonster
> Sent: 26 April 2016 20:32
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
> 
> That object based editing you speak of Phill is already available and
> accessible in reaper. Its one of the reason i stopped using ProTools
> and switch to reaper as my Main DAW on OSX a couple years ago. Loved
> using Samplitude back in the day when i had some sight with zoomtext
> Curious to see waht you guys do with it. Hopefully its not just a HSC
> solution. I don't know how i feel about just using HSC as my interface
> to a DAW. That being said, at this point it would take alot to get me
> to use windows again so i am probably not the target audience lol.
> 
> On 4/26/16, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> wrote:
>> Ricky wrote: I take it Money is not the issue you like myself would spend
>> whatever it took to do an excellent job.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Phil replied: already spent quite a bit on this laptop, smile.  Put in a
>> Samsung solid-state Evo and 16GB of RAM.  Currently running the audio on
> an
>> external USB3 drive although long term will most likely move that to a
>> thunderbolt drive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ricky wrote: I have a 2000 1215 inch and I have a 500 gig hard drive. I
>> took
>> that out and use a hybrid drive but they sell a solid-state for around
> $300
>> you could get a three or 4 TB to go in there. When I track I have an
>> external hard drive but I have used the internal with no plug-ins tracking
>> a
>> session and never crashed just with my hybrid hard drive. You can really
>> make that laptop a hot rod for three or 400 bucks run your Boot Camp, have
>> your ProTools and all that good stuff. This will help you make the
> decision
>> on how much you want to try the Apple platform. I would have a logic
>> installed as well because I believe you like to experiment as I do.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Phil replied: correct.  Am sure I will purchase Logic at some point.  In
>> the
>> mean time, just purchased the Samplitude Pro X2 Suite for use on the
>> Windows
>> platform.  There's a guy over here in the UK creating a very cool
>> accessibility solution for it.  We think we will probably be able to get
>> per
>> track spectral editing going which would be fantastic.  BTW, if any of you
>> on here use clip gain then using Samplitude is like that on steroids as
> you
>> can add any affect you like and it's all non destructive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ricky wrote: The ProTools 12 and Mavericks are going to get along good
> with
>> the set up like I have described max out your RAM as well when you do this
>> upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Phil replied: well either on the Mac or Windows side it's all running
> suite
>> here.
>> 
>>  _
>> 
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ricky Prevatte
>> Sent: 26 April 2016 17:48
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I take it Money is not the issue you like myself would spend whatever it
>> took to do an excellent job. I have a 2000 1215 inch and I have a 500 gig
>> hard drive. I took that out and use a hybrid drive but they sell a
>> solid-state for around $300 you could get a three or 4 TB to go in there.
>> When I track I have an external hard drive but I have used the internal
>> with
>> no plug-ins tracking a session and never crashed just with my hybrid hard
>> drive. You can really make that laptop a hot rod for three or 400 bucks
> run
>> your Boot Camp, have your ProTools and all that good stuff. This will help
>> you make the decision on how much you want to try the Apple platform. I
>

RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

I see.

 

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 20:58
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

If I wanted to use my master mix surface which really
has a sweet jog wheel and worked well

with pt, I would have to go down to Maverick as they say it stopped working
in Yossemity. 

Gord

From: Phil Muir <mailto:i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>  

Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:19 AM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Currently running Pro Tools 12.5 here in Yosemite.  Any reason to downgrade
to Mavericks?  BTW, either OS works.  Here's the qualifying chart for Mac:

 

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Compatibility/Pro-Tools-12-System-R
equirements

 

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I might give this serious fault.  My
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a
tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el
capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved
some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain
numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn't made the midi studio
accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run
boot camp to switch between the os's if I wanted to.

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte 

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had
to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic
as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself
out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that
way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I
have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

But don't I need to be running el capitan to
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte 

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue
that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know
there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my
console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control
surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it
did run with El Capitan.
I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you
mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

It's been quite a while since I've used pro tools.
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os's mountain lion etc., I had
it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control
surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don't
think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are
we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be
good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  

Gord

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RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

Yeh see where you are going with that.

 

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 20:55
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I have a 512 ssd drive in there.  But it would be nice to
have a separate drive for audio in there anyway.  

Gord

 

From: Phil Muir <mailto:i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>  

Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:15 AM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Gord.  You don't need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a larger
hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That's easy enough to do using
command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for
you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15
inch MacBook Pro.

 

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I might give this serious fault.  My
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a
tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el
capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved
some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain
numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn't made the midi studio
accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run
boot camp to switch between the os's if I wanted to.

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte 

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had
to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic
as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself
out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that
way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I
have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

But don't I need to be running el capitan to
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte 

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue
that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know
there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my
console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control
surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it
did run with El Capitan.
I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you
mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

It's been quite a while since I've used pro tools.
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os's mountain lion etc., I had
it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control
surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don't
think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are
we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be
good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  

Gord

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Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Gordon Kent]

If I wanted to use my master mix surface which really has a 
sweet jog wheel and worked well
with pt, I would have to go down to Maverick as they say it stopped working in 
Yossemity. 
Gord
From: Phil Muir 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:19 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

Currently running Pro Tools 12.5 here in Yosemite.  Any reason to downgrade to 
Mavericks?  BTW, either OS works.  Here's the qualifying chart for Mac:

 

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Compatibility/Pro-Tools-12-System-Requirements

 




From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I might give this serious fault.  My 
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a tower 
system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el capitan.  
I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved some of the 
accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain numeric values and 
the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi studio accessible.  If I 
removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run boot camp to switch 
between the os’s if I wanted to.

Gord

 

From: Ricky Prevatte 

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had to 
roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic as 
well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself out of 
house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that way. I 
have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I have no 
interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

  But don’t I need to be running el capitan to 
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think 
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  

  Gord

   

  From: Ricky Prevatte 

  Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM

  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

   

  Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue that 
you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know there 
is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my console. It 
will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control surface and mackie 
MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it did run with El 
Capitan.
  I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you 
mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
  Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


  On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had it 
working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control surface.  
Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t think my 
m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are we 
relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be good 
enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  

Gord

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[Gordon Kent]

I have a 512 ssd drive in there.  But it would be nice to have 
a separate drive for audio in there anyway.  
Gord

From: Phil Muir 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:15 AM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

Gord.  You don’t need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a larger 
hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That’s easy enough to do using command 
line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for you.  
Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15 inch 
MacBook Pro.

 




From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I might give this serious fault.  My 
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a tower 
system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el capitan.  
I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved some of the 
accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain numeric values and 
the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi studio accessible.  If I 
removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run boot camp to switch 
between the os’s if I wanted to.

Gord

 

From: Ricky Prevatte 

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had to 
roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic as 
well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself out of 
house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that way. I 
have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I have no 
interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

  But don’t I need to be running el capitan to 
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think 
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  

  Gord

   

  From: Ricky Prevatte 

  Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM

  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

   

  Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue that 
you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know there 
is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my console. It 
will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control surface and mackie 
MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it did run with El 
Capitan.
  I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you 
mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
  Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


  On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had it 
working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control surface.  
Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t think my 
m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are we 
relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be good 
enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  

Gord

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RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

No it's not just an HSC solution.  It's about 90% Jaws scripting with HSC
only used where necessary and even that's intograted with scripts.  Curious
to know how you are finding Reaper in Mac land?  Never did get on with it in
Windows.  Too geeky for me.  Also, wasn't personally that impressed with how
it sounds.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of TheOreoMonster
Sent: 26 April 2016 20:32
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

That object based editing you speak of Phill is already available and
accessible in reaper. Its one of the reason i stopped using ProTools
and switch to reaper as my Main DAW on OSX a couple years ago. Loved
using Samplitude back in the day when i had some sight with zoomtext
Curious to see waht you guys do with it. Hopefully its not just a HSC
solution. I don't know how i feel about just using HSC as my interface
to a DAW. That being said, at this point it would take alot to get me
to use windows again so i am probably not the target audience lol.

On 4/26/16, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> wrote:
> Ricky wrote: I take it Money is not the issue you like myself would spend
> whatever it took to do an excellent job.
>
>
>
> Phil replied: already spent quite a bit on this laptop, smile.  Put in a
> Samsung solid-state Evo and 16GB of RAM.  Currently running the audio on
an
> external USB3 drive although long term will most likely move that to a
> thunderbolt drive.
>
>
>
> Ricky wrote: I have a 2000 1215 inch and I have a 500 gig hard drive. I
> took
> that out and use a hybrid drive but they sell a solid-state for around
$300
> you could get a three or 4 TB to go in there. When I track I have an
> external hard drive but I have used the internal with no plug-ins tracking
> a
> session and never crashed just with my hybrid hard drive. You can really
> make that laptop a hot rod for three or 400 bucks run your Boot Camp, have
> your ProTools and all that good stuff. This will help you make the
decision
> on how much you want to try the Apple platform. I would have a logic
> installed as well because I believe you like to experiment as I do.
>
>
>
> Phil replied: correct.  Am sure I will purchase Logic at some point.  In
> the
> mean time, just purchased the Samplitude Pro X2 Suite for use on the
> Windows
> platform.  There's a guy over here in the UK creating a very cool
> accessibility solution for it.  We think we will probably be able to get
> per
> track spectral editing going which would be fantastic.  BTW, if any of you
> on here use clip gain then using Samplitude is like that on steroids as
you
> can add any affect you like and it's all non destructive.
>
>
>
> Ricky wrote: The ProTools 12 and Mavericks are going to get along good
with
> the set up like I have described max out your RAM as well when you do this
> upgrade.
>
>
>
> Phil replied: well either on the Mac or Windows side it's all running
suite
> here.
>
>   _
>
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Ricky Prevatte
> Sent: 26 April 2016 17:48
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>
>
>
> I take it Money is not the issue you like myself would spend whatever it
> took to do an excellent job. I have a 2000 1215 inch and I have a 500 gig
> hard drive. I took that out and use a hybrid drive but they sell a
> solid-state for around $300 you could get a three or 4 TB to go in there.
> When I track I have an external hard drive but I have used the internal
> with
> no plug-ins tracking a session and never crashed just with my hybrid hard
> drive. You can really make that laptop a hot rod for three or 400 bucks
run
> your Boot Camp, have your ProTools and all that good stuff. This will help
> you make the decision on how much you want to try the Apple platform. I
> would have a logic installed as well because I believe you like to
> experiment as I do. The ProTools 12 and Mavericks are going to get along
> good with the set up like I have described max out your RAM as well when
> you
> do this upgrade.
>
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> True.
>
>
>
>
>   _
>
>
> From:  <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Martin
> Sent: 26 April 2016 13:03
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>
>
>
> The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal
> Hard
> driv

Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[TheOreoMonster]

That object based editing you speak of Phill is already available and
accessible in reaper. Its one of the reason i stopped using ProTools
and switch to reaper as my Main DAW on OSX a couple years ago. Loved
using Samplitude back in the day when i had some sight with zoomtext
Curious to see waht you guys do with it. Hopefully its not just a HSC
solution. I don't know how i feel about just using HSC as my interface
to a DAW. That being said, at this point it would take alot to get me
to use windows again so i am probably not the target audience lol.

On 4/26/16, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> wrote:
> Ricky wrote: I take it Money is not the issue you like myself would spend
> whatever it took to do an excellent job.
>
>
>
> Phil replied: already spent quite a bit on this laptop, smile.  Put in a
> Samsung solid-state Evo and 16GB of RAM.  Currently running the audio on an
> external USB3 drive although long term will most likely move that to a
> thunderbolt drive.
>
>
>
> Ricky wrote: I have a 2000 1215 inch and I have a 500 gig hard drive. I
> took
> that out and use a hybrid drive but they sell a solid-state for around $300
> you could get a three or 4 TB to go in there. When I track I have an
> external hard drive but I have used the internal with no plug-ins tracking
> a
> session and never crashed just with my hybrid hard drive. You can really
> make that laptop a hot rod for three or 400 bucks run your Boot Camp, have
> your ProTools and all that good stuff. This will help you make the decision
> on how much you want to try the Apple platform. I would have a logic
> installed as well because I believe you like to experiment as I do.
>
>
>
> Phil replied: correct.  Am sure I will purchase Logic at some point.  In
> the
> mean time, just purchased the Samplitude Pro X2 Suite for use on the
> Windows
> platform.  There's a guy over here in the UK creating a very cool
> accessibility solution for it.  We think we will probably be able to get
> per
> track spectral editing going which would be fantastic.  BTW, if any of you
> on here use clip gain then using Samplitude is like that on steroids as you
> can add any affect you like and it's all non destructive.
>
>
>
> Ricky wrote: The ProTools 12 and Mavericks are going to get along good with
> the set up like I have described max out your RAM as well when you do this
> upgrade.
>
>
>
> Phil replied: well either on the Mac or Windows side it's all running suite
> here.
>
>   _
>
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Ricky Prevatte
> Sent: 26 April 2016 17:48
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>
>
>
> I take it Money is not the issue you like myself would spend whatever it
> took to do an excellent job. I have a 2000 1215 inch and I have a 500 gig
> hard drive. I took that out and use a hybrid drive but they sell a
> solid-state for around $300 you could get a three or 4 TB to go in there.
> When I track I have an external hard drive but I have used the internal
> with
> no plug-ins tracking a session and never crashed just with my hybrid hard
> drive. You can really make that laptop a hot rod for three or 400 bucks run
> your Boot Camp, have your ProTools and all that good stuff. This will help
> you make the decision on how much you want to try the Apple platform. I
> would have a logic installed as well because I believe you like to
> experiment as I do. The ProTools 12 and Mavericks are going to get along
> good with the set up like I have described max out your RAM as well when
> you
> do this upgrade.
>
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> True.
>
>
>
>
>   _
>
>
> From:  <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Martin
> Sent: 26 April 2016 13:03
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>
>
>
> The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal
> Hard
> drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro tools usually
> requires
> you to record to an separate HD than your system drive and that way you
> have
> two drives internally and won't have to bring an external USB or etc drive.
> Or just to have a separate OS on each drive.
>
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Gord.  You don't need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a
> larger
> hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That's

RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

Ricky wrote: I take it Money is not the issue you like myself would spend
whatever it took to do an excellent job.

 

Phil replied: already spent quite a bit on this laptop, smile.  Put in a
Samsung solid-state Evo and 16GB of RAM.  Currently running the audio on an
external USB3 drive although long term will most likely move that to a
thunderbolt drive.

 

Ricky wrote: I have a 2000 1215 inch and I have a 500 gig hard drive. I took
that out and use a hybrid drive but they sell a solid-state for around $300
you could get a three or 4 TB to go in there. When I track I have an
external hard drive but I have used the internal with no plug-ins tracking a
session and never crashed just with my hybrid hard drive. You can really
make that laptop a hot rod for three or 400 bucks run your Boot Camp, have
your ProTools and all that good stuff. This will help you make the decision
on how much you want to try the Apple platform. I would have a logic
installed as well because I believe you like to experiment as I do.

 

Phil replied: correct.  Am sure I will purchase Logic at some point.  In the
mean time, just purchased the Samplitude Pro X2 Suite for use on the Windows
platform.  There's a guy over here in the UK creating a very cool
accessibility solution for it.  We think we will probably be able to get per
track spectral editing going which would be fantastic.  BTW, if any of you
on here use clip gain then using Samplitude is like that on steroids as you
can add any affect you like and it's all non destructive.

 

Ricky wrote: The ProTools 12 and Mavericks are going to get along good with
the set up like I have described max out your RAM as well when you do this
upgrade.

 

Phil replied: well either on the Mac or Windows side it's all running suite
here.

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ricky Prevatte
Sent: 26 April 2016 17:48
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I take it Money is not the issue you like myself would spend whatever it
took to do an excellent job. I have a 2000 1215 inch and I have a 500 gig
hard drive. I took that out and use a hybrid drive but they sell a
solid-state for around $300 you could get a three or 4 TB to go in there.
When I track I have an external hard drive but I have used the internal with
no plug-ins tracking a session and never crashed just with my hybrid hard
drive. You can really make that laptop a hot rod for three or 400 bucks run
your Boot Camp, have your ProTools and all that good stuff. This will help
you make the decision on how much you want to try the Apple platform. I
would have a logic installed as well because I believe you like to
experiment as I do. The ProTools 12 and Mavericks are going to get along
good with the set up like I have described max out your RAM as well when you
do this upgrade.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
wrote:

True.

 


  _  


From:  <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> ptaccess@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Martin
Sent: 26 April 2016 13:03
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal Hard
drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro tools usually requires
you to record to an separate HD than your system drive and that way you have
two drives internally and won't have to bring an external USB or etc drive.
Or just to have a separate OS on each drive. 

On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
wrote:

 

Gord.  You don't need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a larger
hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That's easy enough to do using
command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for
you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15
inch MacBook Pro.

 


  _  


From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I might give this serious fault.  My
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a
tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el
capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved
some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain
numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn't made the midi studio
accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run
boot camp to switch between the os's if I wanted to.

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM

RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

True.

 

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Martin
Sent: 26 April 2016 13:03
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal Hard
drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro tools usually requires
you to record to an separate HD than your system drive and that way you have
two drives internally and won't have to bring an external USB or etc drive.
Or just to have a separate OS on each drive. 

On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
wrote:

 

Gord.  You don't need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a larger
hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That's easy enough to do using
command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for
you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15
inch MacBook Pro.

 


  _  


From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I might give this serious fault.  My
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a
tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el
capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved
some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain
numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn't made the midi studio
accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run
boot camp to switch between the os's if I wanted to.

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had
to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic
as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself
out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that
way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I
have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

But don't I need to be running el capitan to
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue
that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know
there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my
console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control
surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it
did run with El Capitan.
I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you
mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

It's been quite a while since I've used pro tools.
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os's mountain lion etc., I had
it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control
surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don't
think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are
we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be
good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  

Gord

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RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

Baby HUI.

 

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Martin
Sent: 26 April 2016 13:04
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

does the BCF2000 have a HUI compatible mode or is it midi only?

 

On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk>
wrote:

 

No reason why you can't still use the Behrenger BCF2000 in Pro Tools 12.5 as
nothing has changed there.

 


  _  


From:  <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> ptaccess@googlegroups.com [
<mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> mailto:
<mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 01:58
To:  <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

It's been quite a while since I've used pro tools.
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os's mountain lion etc., I had
it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control
surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don't
think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are
we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be
good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  

Gord

 

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Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Steve Martin]

The advantage of removing the DVD drive is so you can have two internal Hard 
drives.  this can come in handy when traveling as Pro tools usually requires 
you to record to an separate HD than your system drive and that way you have 
two drives internally and won’t have to bring an external USB or etc drive.  Or 
just to have a separate OS on each drive. 
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Phil Muir <i...@accessibilitytraining.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> Gord.  You don’t need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a larger 
> hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That’s easy enough to do using command 
> line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for you.  
> Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15 inch 
> MacBook Pro.
>  
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com> [mailto: 
> <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Gordon Kent
> Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> I might give this serious fault.  My 
> macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a 
> tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el 
> capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved 
> some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain numeric 
> values and the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi studio accessible. 
>  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run boot camp to 
> switch between the os’s if I wanted to.
> Gord
>  
> From: Ricky Prevatte <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had 
> to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic 
> as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself 
> out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that 
> way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I 
> have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.
> 
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
> 
> On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net 
> <mailto:dbmu...@cybernex.net>> wrote:
> 
>> But don’t I need to be running el capitan to 
>> run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think 
>> yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  
>> Gord
>>  
>> From: Ricky Prevatte <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>  
>> Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
>> Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue 
>> that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know 
>> there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my 
>> console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control 
>> surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it 
>> did run with El Capitan.
>> I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you 
>> mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net 
>> <mailto:dbmu...@cybernex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>> It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
>>> Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had 
>>> it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control 
>>> surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t 
>>> think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  
>>> Are we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would 
>>> that be good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  
>>> Gord
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RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

Currently running Pro Tools 12.5 here in Yosemite.  Any reason to downgrade
to Mavericks?  BTW, either OS works.  Here's the qualifying chart for Mac:

 

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Compatibility/Pro-Tools-12-System-R
equirements

 

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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I might give this serious fault.  My
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a
tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el
capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved
some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain
numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn't made the midi studio
accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run
boot camp to switch between the os's if I wanted to.

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte 

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had
to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic
as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself
out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that
way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I
have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

But don't I need to be running el capitan to
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  

Gord

 

From: Ricky Prevatte <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue
that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know
there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my
console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control
surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it
did run with El Capitan.
I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you
mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

It's been quite a while since I've used pro tools.
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os's mountain lion etc., I had
it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control
surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don't
think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are
we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be
good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  

Gord

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RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

No reason why you can't still use the Behrenger BCF2000 in Pro Tools 12.5 as
nothing has changed there.

 

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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 01:58
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

It's been quite a while since I've used pro tools.
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os's mountain lion etc., I had
it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control
surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don't
think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are
we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be
good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  

Gord

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RE: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Phil Muir]

Gord.  You don't need to remove the DVD drive.  You may need to fit a larger
hard drive and build a Mac installer.  That's easy enough to do using
command line tools.  Just use the bootcamp manager to partition the disk for
you.  Doing that here with my Samsung EVO 500GB drive in this mid 2012 15
inch MacBook Pro.

 

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From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gordon Kent
Sent: 26 April 2016 02:54
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I might give this serious fault.  My
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a
tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el
capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved
some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain
numeric values and the like.  And apple still hasn't made the midi studio
accessible.  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run
boot camp to switch between the os's if I wanted to.

Gord

 

From: Ricky <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  Prevatte 

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had
to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic
as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself
out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that
way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I
have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

But don't I need to be running el capitan to
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  

Gord

 

From: Ricky Prevatte <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

 

Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue
that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know
there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my
console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control
surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it
did run with El Capitan.
I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you
mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154


On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:

It's been quite a while since I've used pro tools.
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os's mountain lion etc., I had
it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control
surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don't
think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are
we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be
good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  

Gord

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Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Steve Martin]

Midi studio should be accessible in Yosemite and El Cap. last i checked. 
> On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
> 
> I might give this serious fault.  My 
> macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a 
> tower system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el 
> capitan.  I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved 
> some of the accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain numeric 
> values and the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi studio accessible. 
>  If I removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run boot camp to 
> switch between the os’s if I wanted to.
> Gord
>  
> From: Ricky Prevatte <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had 
> to roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic 
> as well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself 
> out of house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that 
> way. I have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I 
> have no interest in a newer Apple Computer.
> 
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
> 
> On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net 
> <mailto:dbmu...@cybernex.net>> wrote:
> 
>> But don’t I need to be running el capitan to 
>> run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think 
>> yossemity would be as far back as you could go. 
>> Gord
>>  
>> From: Ricky Prevatte <mailto:rickypreva...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com <mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>>  
>> Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
>> Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue 
>> that you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know 
>> there is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my 
>> console. It will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control 
>> surface and mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it 
>> did run with El Capitan.
>> I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you 
>> mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net 
>> <mailto:dbmu...@cybernex.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>> It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
>>> Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had 
>>> it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control 
>>> surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t 
>>> think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  
>>> Are we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would 
>>> that be good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3. 
>>> Gord
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Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Gordon Kent]

I might give this serious fault.  My 
macbook pro is 4 years old now.  If I ever get a newer mac, it will be a tower 
system, not a laptop.  I could care less about the new features in el capitan.  
I would rather have pt working the way it should.  Maverick solved some of the 
accessibility problems with pro tools not reading certain numeric values and 
the like.  And apple still hasn’t made the midi studio accessible.  If I 
removed the Dvd drive, I could put in a second HD and run boot camp to switch 
between the os’s if I wanted to.
Gord

From: Ricky Prevatte 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had to 
roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic as 
well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself out of 
house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that way. I 
have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I have no 
interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:


  But don’t I need to be running el capitan to 
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think 
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  
  Gord

  From: Ricky Prevatte 
  Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

  Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue that 
you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know there 
is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my console. It 
will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control surface and mackie 
MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it did run with El 
Capitan.
  I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you 
mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
  Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

  On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:


It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had it 
working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control surface.  
Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t think my 
m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are we 
relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be good 
enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  
Gord
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Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Ricky Prevatte]

I am running ProTools 12 and Mavericks. I had problem with Yosemite and had to 
roll back. All of that stuff works well with the latest version of logic as 
well on those older operating systems. I am not going to upgrade myself out of 
house and home I have thisDAW Running well I am going to keep it that way. I 
have a nice quick hard drive in the old laptop I have my CD drive I have no 
interest in a newer Apple Computer.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

> On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
> 
> But don’t I need to be running el capitan to 
> run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think 
> yossemity would be as far back as you could go. 
> Gord
>  
> From: Ricky Prevatte
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag
>  
> Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
> Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue that 
> you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know there 
> is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my console. It 
> will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control surface and 
> mackie MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it did run with 
> El Capitan.
> I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you 
> mentioned could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:
>> 
>> It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
>> Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had 
>> it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control 
>> surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t 
>> think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are 
>> we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be 
>> good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3. 
>> Gord
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Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Gordon Kent]

But don’t I need to be running el capitan to 
run pro tools 12?  I really liked maverick the best, but I would think 
yossemity would be as far back as you could go.  
Gord

From: Ricky Prevatte 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:14 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue that 
you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know there 
is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my console. It 
will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control surface and mackie 
MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it did run with El 
Capitan.
I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you mentioned 
could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent <dbmu...@cybernex.net> wrote:


  It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had it 
working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control surface.  
Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t think my 
m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are we 
relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be good 
enough or do we really need to spring for the s3.  
  Gord
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Re: my control surface dilemma, a real drag

[Ricky Prevatte]

Hi Gordon I believe if you took your laptop in and have it rolled back to 
Mavericks or Yosemite your problem would be solved. If there is an issue that 
you need the newer update I understand but it may be cheaper and I know there 
is no learning curve there. I use my Presonus studio live for my console. It 
will not support El Capitan as well. I just bought a control surface and mackie 
MCU pro may not support it as well. I have heard that it did run with El 
Capitan.
I am not going to take that chance. But all those surface issues you mentioned 
could be solved by abandoning El Capitan.
Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

> On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Gordon Kent  wrote:
> 
> It’s been quite a while since I’ve used pro tools.  
> Back when I was running pt 10 with the older os’s mountain lion etc., I had 
> it working great with my alesis master control audio interface/control 
> surface.  Now alesis is no longer supporting it with el capitan.  I don’t 
> think my m-audio project mix or the behringer bcf2000 will work either.  Are 
> we relegated to having to buy the Avid artist series surface?  Would that be 
> good enough or do we really need to spring for the s3. 
> Gord
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