Re: Compiling Problem
At 8:16 AM -0700 10/20/00, Zack Zeiler wrote: Hi. Got a question. I have a new installation of Solaris 8. I have setup qmail on Linux a dozen times, no problem. First time on solaris. # make setup check It goes throught the standard stuff and gets stuck here each time. ./compile qmail-local.c /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `qmail-local.o' I've checked and /usr/ucb/cc does exist. Now run "more /usr/ucb/cc", and look at the last few lines. Edit conf-cc and change the compiler to gcc. Of course, you must have gcc installed. You can get it at http://www.sunfreeware.com/ Can you advise on this? Thanks, Zack Z. VPI.Net -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port 25 cannot telnet
At 8:33 PM -0700 9/18/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to install qmail on the Solaris 7 x86 system using Life with qmail. I have few problems: 1. /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd/run script is having some errors QMAILDUID=`id -u qmaild` NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild` exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 200 \ /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb \ -u $QMAILDUID -g $NOFILESGID 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 21 when I run the script I get errors -u -g illegal option. I am not sure what those options are doing, I took them out and replaced with -a that seem to work. 2. Cannot telnet on the port 25 tried everything but it tells me connection refused. Sendmail is gone so there is no port "sharing" I found an error in the qmail log @400039c80c1404df8924 tcpserver: fatal: unable to figure out port number for gid=100(nofiles) I think this is my problem, but I do not know how to fix it. Your problem is that id on Solaris is not the same as id under Linux: leprss% id -u qmaild id: illegal option -- u Usage: id [user] id -a [user] Just put the numbers in the script by hand. The error in the log is cause by the fact that NOFILESGID isn't set right. Please help Denis -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port 25 cannot telnet
At 1:53 PM -0700 9/19/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the process of learning scripts so please be patient. When you said use numbers did you mean gid and uid numbers instead of id -u qmaild id -g qmaild, so it will look something like this QMAILDUID=100 NOFILESGID=1001 Yes, exactly. than I can take -u and -g from this line -u $QMAILDUID -g $NOFILESGID 0 smtp No, you leave this just the way it is. /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 21 correct? Thank you Denis -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anti Virus
At 4:20 AM -0400 8/4/00, Adam McKenna wrote: On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 10:17:41AM +0200, Robin S. Socha wrote: your way of quoting *may* be convenient for you. It is, however, annoying for probably everyone else (particularly people not reading your "threads" in a row. It also adds a *massive* amount of unnecessary overhead. May I suggest your grabbing a copy - really, just about any - of the netiquette and fixing your mail toys? For christ sake, leave the guy alone. IMHO your incessant personal attacks are way more annoying than his quoting style. Does anyone else see what he's complaining about? I've read this thread using MacOS Eudora, and just looked at one of the messages with mutt, and I see nothing out of the ordinary. (Reminds me of the time some idiot flamed me on Usenet for using "}" instead of "" as the quoting character.) --Adam -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new qmail install
At 6:30 PM -0400 7/15/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have re-installed qmail-1.03, daemontools-0.70, and ucspi-tcp-0.88. I used Life With Qmail as a guide. I can send mail out using pine. Sending to a different address, I can receive it on netscape. Netscape picked up the Maildir, and now reads and stores there. I cannot receive under [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is the mail server I set up with qmail. I have not been able to make the adjustment to pine to get it to read from the new Maildir inbox. Here is the ps for qmail [root@basicq nsmail]# ps -ef | grep qmail root 488 487 0 11:33 ?00:00:00 supervise qmail-send root 489 487 0 11:33 ?00:00:00 supervise qmail-smtpd qmails 490 488 0 11:33 ?00:00:00 qmail-send qmaild 491 489 0 11:33 ?00:00:00 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p - root 498 490 0 11:33 ?00:00:00 qmail-lspawn ./Maildir/ qmailr 499 490 0 11:33 ?00:00:00 qmail-rspawn qmailq 500 490 0 11:33 ?00:00:00 qmail-clean root 11333 5535 0 18:24 pts/000:00:00 grep qmail I do have a firewall in front of the server. I have made the ipchains rules to allow the server to work, as best I could figure it out. Last few lines in /var/log/mail/messages is [root@basicq log]# tail maillog Jul 12 17:14:27 basicq qmail: 963436467.513805 delivery 190: deferral: Uh-oh:_home_directory_is_writable._(#4.7.0)/ Jul 12 17:14:27 basicq qmail: 963436467.513962 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Jul 12 17:22:06 basicq qmail: 963436926.512758 starting delivery 191: msg 27998 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 12 17:22:06 basicq qmail: 963436926.512908 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 Jul 12 17:22:06 basicq qmail: 963436926.572078 delivery 191: deferral: Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/ Jul 12 17:22:06 basicq qmail: 963436926.572228 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Jul 12 17:26:35 basicq qmail: 963437195.563015 starting delivery 192: msg 28035 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 12 17:26:35 basicq qmail: 963437195.563164 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 Jul 12 17:26:35 basicq qmail: 963437195.571547 delivery 192: deferral: Uh-oh:_home_directory_is_writable._(#4.7.0)/ Jul 12 17:26:35 basicq qmail: 963437195.571679 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Any suggestions on how to get this going? It's telling you exactly what's wrong. qmail will not deliver to a directory where someone else can blow away your .qmail files and create their own. Unfortunately, some Linux distributions with a "single person per group" setup can cause qmail to complain, since it doesn't like group writable any more than world writable. You have two choices; change the permissions on your home directory or tell qmail what mask you want it to complain about (conf-patrn). This has been discussed in the list before, and so should be in the archives. As for pine, install mutt. mutt knows how to read maildirs, and is a better client than pine. -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail
At 2:09 PM -0400 7/12/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 06:42:51PM +, Thomas Duterme wrote: This is taken from some documentation on fetchmail. Is there anyway I can inject things back into Maildir instead of mbox? (my other solution is to start hacking the fetchmail source) If I understand you correctly -- and I'm not certain I do -- you want fetchmail to deliver into a Maildir? Tell fetchmail to deliver to procmail, which can easily deliver to a Maildir. There's no need unless you want to use procmail's abilities. By default fetchmail delivers to port 25 on the local machine, and qmail certainly knows how to deliver to a Maildir. (I also found the question a little strange. Configuring fetchmail to deliver to qmail is straightforward and well documented.) Example: mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" and in .procmailrc :0 ~/Maildir/ -dsr- -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: timestamp problem
At 5:10 PM +0200 6/17/00, Jens Georg wrote: hello, i am running qmail on a suse linux server with its systemclock set correctly. unfortunately, qmail sets an incorrect time to every outgoing mail. system time and time in mails differs in exactly 2 hours, i.e. writing a mail at 16:00 o'clock sets time to 14:00 o'clock in the mail. any ideas why ? Because qmail always uses GMT and you're GMT+2. -- jens --- department computer science, university of dortmund linux ... life's too short for reboots! -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8bit characters ... URGENT
At 5:03 AM -0700 6/15/00, mwangu wrote: To add to the info, I am being forced to work with a legacy accounting system with a mail client which is incapable of adding MIME headers to emails as appropriate. When qmail recieves the e-mail it strips out the £ (Sterling sign) and replaces with (? or #). No, it doesn't. qmail doesn't touch the content of email, and is 8-bit clean. We currenlty send the messages to a sendmail host first and then accept relay them to qmail. Due to budget cuts, I have to give up the sendmail host, and would like to receive mail directly to qmail ... is this possible? sendmail may be doing it. Or it might be one of the clients on either end. Thank you --- mwangu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8bit characters ... URGENT
At 5:38 AM -0700 6/15/00, mwangu wrote: I must be doing something wrong then. No, you're expecting the wrong thing. Here's what I think is happening, although it's been years since I allowed sendmail on any machine that I control. As I recall, sendmail thinks it's just fine to muck around with the contents of email. (My first order of business after booting a new OS is to remove sendmail immediately.) 1) When I send the same message directly to qmail. I get no Sterling signs. qmail leaves the data untouched, and the software you're using to view it doesn't know how to display the 8-bit character for pound sign. (Use a Mac, for example, and you might run into the difference between ISO and MacRoman, although your £ below displayed properly on my iBook.) 2) When I send exactly the same message to a sendmail relay, which then sends to the qmail address in 1), I get Sterling signs. sendmail "helpfully" changes the data, and the MIME encoding that sendmail replaces the pound sign with is correctly interpreted by the software you're using. Use the proper tool to examine the data before making accusations. (It's amazing how many people are so quick to accuse qmail of doing things that it's not doing.) Use od(1) to examine the data before and after you send it through the MTA. I think you'll find that qmail leaves it alone, while sendmail changes it. qmail does *not* change the content of email. If my statment below was incorrect, then please explain to me how this is. Thank you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 8bit characters ... URGENT
At 6:24 AM -0700 6/15/00, mwangu wrote: Paul, Thank you for your response. Please do not take offence at my conclusion that qmail is partly to blame. While my familiarity with MTAs stops at sendmail, I am only just getting to grips with the workings of qmail (I have been looking at this issue for the last 4 days, and yes, I have trawled through a mass of documentation. I can appreciate what you're saying. Now, is there any way for me to get qmail to emulate this particular feature of sendmailfor the next 2 months while I work on ripping out this insidioud accounting application? You need to find a filter to change octal 200-377 into the equivalent MIME quoted printable encoding. There's a perl module at CPAN, MIME::Decoder::QuotedPrint, part of the MIME-tools package, that looks like it will do the job. I think the actual conversion, though, can be done in a single line of perl, or maybe tr(1) is enough. Where to put it is the question only you can decide. If it's only a single person or a small number of people that need to see the mail "correctly", then putting the filter in .qmail should work. If all mail needs to be converted, then you can use the default delivery instruction to do it, but I've never done anything like that myself. Look at http://www.qmail.org/ and the list archives to get some ideas. The alternative is to simply install sendmail on the new machine. I can't believe there's a machine that runs qmail that won't run sendmail. But using a filter is going to be much easier, and much safer. I realise that what I have just asked borders on heresy, but I am desparate to get this resolved as I do have more pressing jobs to get on with which will allow me to get rid of sendmail completely as it has proved to be an insecure MTA time and time again. qmail as I understand it could close this hole, but before I do that I need to implement our new accounting system, and before I do that I have to run the old one without the sendmail relay host which has now been poached, and so on, I'm sure you get the picture. Thank you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail+maildrop+amavis
At 4:54 PM +0100 6/7/00, Nuno Ferreira wrote:
Thanks,
Meanwhile I was able to get it working.
However, I still am unable to make maildrop work with QMail.
I have installed maildrop-0.76b, I have
the following in ~/.qmail
./Maildir/
| /var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/local/bin/maildrop
and the folowing in ~/.mailfilter
DEFAULT="./Maildir/"
if ( /^(To|Cc|From|Reply-To): *@hotmail.com*/ )
{
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
}
I think maildrop is being called correctly, because I had a permission
problem that appeared in the logs and now it stopped appearing.
However, with this configuration, I [EMAIL PROTECTED] never gets any
message coming to me from hotmail.com.
The pattern above doesn't match any valid address from hotmail.com.
"man maildropfilter" and read again what kind of regular expressions
maildrop supports.
Maybe there's something wrong with the "if", but I can't see it. Furthermore
I think that with this configuration some mails (the ones from hotmail.com)
get thrown back into the queue and come back to me several times.
Looks to me that they'll be delivered twice, once by the ./Maildir/
in .qmail, and once by maildrop's default.
Is there anybody able to shed some light.
TIA
Nuno Ferreira
Departamento de Informática da APCMC
Tel: 22 5074212
Fax: 22 5074219
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Code 693
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail+maildrop+amavis
At 11:59 AM +0100 6/5/00, Nuno Ferreira wrote: Alright, what I am seeing is this. ~/.qmail is working, forward works swell for example, but I either cannot get the program (the | program) to work or I can but it is the program that's not working. My specific problem is this: in ~/.qmail I have ./Maildir/ | preline /var/local/bin/maildrop user in ~/.mailfilter I have DEFAULT="./Maildir/" if ( /^(To|Cc|From|Reply-To): .*guy_I_want_to_caught*/ ) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] What Do The Logs Say (TM)? In particular, the maildrop log that you should be writing to since you're having trouble. man maildropfilter and look for logfile. other destination never gets the message. Also, I would really appreciate any info, pointers on AMaVIS and QMail. TIA, Nuno Ferreira Departamento de Informática da APCMC Tel: 22 5074212 Fax: 22 5074219 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Original Message - From: "Eric Cox" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:14 AM Subject: Re: qmail+maildrop+amavis Nuno Ferreira wrote: Hi, Two questions. Seems my ~/.qmail never gets executed by Qmail, so I am not able to have a functional maildrop or procmail. BTW, is ~/.qmail a script that gets executed by QMail or is it a file that is read by it to know how to perform to specific users. Nope, ~/.qmail isn't a script... There are copious numbers of man pages that come with the default installation. The one you want is 'man dot-qmail'. Hope that helps, Eric -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ORBS prevention
At 11:34 AM +0900 5/8/00, Kristina wrote: I am at the point of setting up my qmail-server as the mail-hub for my organization. I have only used qmail for testing purposes so far and I am not experienced with anti-spam techniques. Now that I want to use my qmail-server in real life, there are many other issues involved--like preventing my qmail server from being put on the ORBS database. I have referred to the archives, however, there is much heated discussion without much pratical detail. Pleae let me know what I need to do for ORBS prevention and any other configuration details necessary for a secure, anti-spam mail-hub. Absolutely nothing. qmail as installed won't relay for third parties, and therefore won't get in ORBS. It's what you *shouldn't* do that's important. Under no circumstances should you remove the rcpthosts file. Read Dave Sill's Life with qmail and some of the other documents that you must have run across if you've read all the "heated discussion" to learn how to properly set up relaying with qmail. Thankyou in advance, Kristina -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Global filtering
At 9:33 PM -0400 5/4/00, Bennett Samowich wrote: Greetings, I am relatively new to qmail, so forgive me if this is too simple... With all of the current goings on about the "luv bug", I have a question concerning qmail and filtering. My customer base uses sendmail primarily, while I have been experimenting with qmail at my site. With the sendmail sites I was able to implement a configuration "hack" to stop initial instances of the message. I was also able to implement a global procmail filter to accomplish the same thing. My question is this: Does qmail have the ability to implement global filters. I know that I can put procmail lines in each users .qmail file, but that seems like alot of work. IIRC, the default delivery instruction in /var/qmail/rc can be a pipe to a program. So you can qmail-start "| preline /path/to/procmail" and have mail by default run through procmail. Of course, you still have a .qmail problem: any user with a .qmail will override the default instruction. "man qmail-command" gives you some details. Thanks in advance, - Bennett -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: send mail to remote hosts...
At 10:35 PM -0400 4/30/00, Mrs. Brisby wrote: 2) pop3 command XTND XMIT. obvious PRO: no second connection necessary! obvious CON: needs a custom client. I am looking for one of these (preferably for windows and/or macos) -- anyone want to let me know of one? You mean server or client? Eudora implements XTND XMIT (definitely on MacOS, probably on Windoze). That's why Qualcomm's qpopper also implements XTND XMIT. Of course, using qpopper means using mbox rather than Maildir. -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compilation errors
At 11:41 AM +0800 4/27/00, Isaiah Chua wrote: hi folks, I'm not sure if this has been asked before, but searching the FAQs didn't produce anything, so I assume it could be new. I'm trying to compile qMail on our RedHat 6.2 server and have downloaded all the necessary files for qMail to be compiled and take over sendmail. However, whenever I try to compile either of the modules and qMail itself, I get a rather similar message for all... after typing 'make setup check': bash# cd qmail* bash# make setup check ( ( ./compile tryvfork.c ./load tryvfork ) /dev/null \ 21 \ cat fork.h2 || cat fork.h1 ) fork.h rm -f tryvfork.o tryvfork ./compile qmail-local.c qmail-local.c: In function `main': qmail-local.c:448: warning: return type of `main' is not `int' ./compile qmail.c ./compile quote.c ./compile now.c ./compile gfrom.c ./compile myctime.c ./compile slurpclose.c ./compile case_diffb.c ./compile case_diffs.c ./compile case_lowerb.c ./compile case_lowers.c ./compile case_starts.c ./makelib case.a case_diffb.o case_diffs.o case_lowerb.o \ case_lowers.o case_starts.o ./compile getln.c ./compile getln2.c ./makelib getln.a getln.o getln2.o ./compile subgetopt.c ./compile sgetopt.c ./makelib getopt.a subgetopt.o sgetopt.o ./compile sig_alarm.c In file included from /usr/include/signal.h:300, from sig_alarm.c:1: /usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h:28: asm/sigcontext.h: No such file or directory make: *** [sig_alarm.o] Error 1 I already have all the GNU C compilers installed on the server. Anyone has any ideas why? You're missing the kernel headers, most likely. You'll need to get them from somewhere before you can proceed. There's an rpm, I think. On my Yellow Dog Linux machine (a RedHat clone for PPC), /usr/include/asm is a symlink into the kernel sources. -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maildir format
At 9:41 PM +0200 4/17/00, quanta wrote: Sorry I have one more question, I am using The Maildir format to make it works with qmail-pop3d but I can't find any client like pine or elm to work with it, do I have to patch something?? Try mutt. http://www.mutt.org. THX Mikael -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail relay opened
At 9:53 AM -0300 4/5/00, Luis Bezerra wrote: Peter Pan, I not want your opinion. I want one solution He told you the truth. It should not be delivering these mails, unless you've misconfigured qmail. Therefore, it's not a relay. Therefore, there is no "qmail relay opened". A relay is a machine that accepts mail from off site third parties and *delivers it* to off site third parties. You want a solution? Block all connections from the IP of the machine that tries the relay. (This is one of those brain damaged "spam tests", right?). This has showed up in this list many times, and you should go through the list archives. Peter van Dijk wrote: On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 04:10:40PM -0300, Luis Bezerra wrote: Hello everyone, my qmail MTA is accepting mails like test%test.com.br anyone has one patch for resolve this problem? Unless you did something wrong, it is not delivering these mails. It is therefore not a problem. Greetz, Peter. -- Peter van Dijk - student/sysadmin/ircoper/madly in love/pretending coder | | 'C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; | C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.' | Bjarne Stroustrup, Inventor of C++ -- - Luís Bezerra de A. Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] SecrelNet Informática LTDA Fortaleza - Ceará - Brasil Fone: 021852882090 - -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: blocking with rbl.maps.vix.com doesn't work ?
At 6:36 AM -0700 4/2/00, Irwan Hadi wrote: I use this syntax at /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd/run file [irwan@server qmail-smtpd]$ cat run #!/bin/sh QMAILDUID=`id -u qmaild` NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild` exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 300 \ /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -c 100 -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb \ -u $QMAILDUID -g $NOFILESGID 0 smtp \ /usr/local/bin/rblsmtpd -t 60 -b -r rbl.maps.vix.com -r relays.mail-abuse.org \ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 21 Why the test is fail ? Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 19769 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2000 21:50:55 +0700 Received: from linux.crynwr.com (192.203.78.39) by 202.147.253.25 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2000 21:50:55 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:51:9 - Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: U X-UIDL: 954687056.19771.server.bpkpenabur.or.id Uh-oh, your RBL block is not working! Where did you get the rblsmtpd that you're using? Older versions did not allow more than one -r. I'm not sure what happened when you had more than one with the old version. The current version, which comes with the current ucspi-tcp distribution, does allow more than one -r. Did this only happen one time? Maybe rbl.maps.vix.com is down or unreachable. But the RSS blocking is work Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 19780 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2000 21:51:04 +0700 Received: from ns1.crynwr.com (HELO ns.crynwr.com) (192.203.178.14) by 202.147.253.25 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2000 21:51:04 +0700 Received: (qmail 23121 invoked by uid 500); 2 Apr 2000 14:50:58 - Date: 2 Apr 2000 14:50:58 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Your RSS test report To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: U X-UIDL: 954687065.19782.server.bpkpenabur.or.id Testing your RSS block. See http://www.crynwr.com/spam/ for more info Here's how the conversation looked from rrss.crynwr.com. Note that some sites don't apply the RSS block to postmaster, so I use your envelope sender as the To: address. I connected to 202.147.253.25 and here's the conversation I had: 220 rblsmtpd.local helo rrss.crynwr.com 250 rblsmtpd.local mail from: 250 rblsmtpd.local rcpt to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 553 Open relay problem - see URL:http://www.mail-abuse.org/cgi-bin/nph-rss?192.203.178.70 Terminating conversation --- AFLHI 058009990407128029/089802---(102598//991024) -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Poor documentation of anti-spam options?
At 11:53 PM -0500 3/31/00, Patrick Bihan-Faou wrote: Hi, From: "Paul Schinder" [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 3:06 PM -0500 3/31/00, Dave Sill wrote: Do the spammers: 1) throw up their hands and admit defeat, or 2) start using valid (but wrong) domains in their envelope return paths, thereby defeating your rejection and escalating the arms race? Note that many are already doing (2), of course. I've had several emails using my @pobox.com address as the MAIL FROM bounced because spammers use phony @pobox.com addresses. I've never seen a single spam that originated on pobox's servers. Most of the spam I see comes from China or relay raped machines outside the US. And, of course, I've seen numerous pieces of spam with phony @yahoo.com, @hotmail.com, @aol.com, etc. Maybe one way to deal with this is: 1. verify that the domain of MAIL FROM is correct 2. verify that the address of the server sending the mail resolves to that domain... That's not a good idea at all. It defeats the entire purpose of a mail redirection service like pobox. I use my @pobox.com address on all sorts of mail, but I've *never* used pobox's servers to send out. The mail goes out through a variety of routes. All of the machines I send out from have resolvable IP's, but none of them are in pobox's domain. This is probably not the best answer, but if you apply that to some key domains, then you should be able to cut down on a fairly good volume of spam with fake addresses. Also it should be fairly easy to implement a scheme like this in qmail (although it also means more DNS lookups for a good number of incoming mail messages). Patrick. -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Poor documentation of anti-spam options?
At 3:06 PM -0500 3/31/00, Dave Sill wrote: Do the spammers: 1) throw up their hands and admit defeat, or 2) start using valid (but wrong) domains in their envelope return paths, thereby defeating your rejection and escalating the arms race? Note that many are already doing (2), of course. I've had several emails using my @pobox.com address as the MAIL FROM bounced because spammers use phony @pobox.com addresses. I've never seen a single spam that originated on pobox's servers. Most of the spam I see comes from China or relay raped machines outside the US. And, of course, I've seen numerous pieces of spam with phony @yahoo.com, @hotmail.com, @aol.com, etc. -Dave -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re^3: Running qmail on a 4x Xeon 550MHz system
At 4:51 PM + 3/25/00, Andreas Aardal Hanssen wrote: Does anyone have any idea what could be the problem? The disk IO is very low and my computer is *really* sleeping, with a load average (uptime etc) of approx. 1.4.. A loadaverage of 1.4 means you have on average 1.4 task waiting to run. Or, to put it in percentages: your machine has 140% of it's time filled with tasks that want to run. Even for an idle quad Xeon, that is way to high. I agree. I manage a similar system (quad Xeon, 1GB memory) with a loadaverage of 0.3 or thereabouts. Although I'm not familiar with the intricacies of how load is distributed across multiple CPUs among different OS's, I would suspect something is wrong with your system. Ok, the average of 1.4 was taken at the start of this discussion, with great activity. The load average is now down to 0.7 and dropping. My point was: qmail should interpret 25% of this load as the capability of these computers are 4x what a normal computer can handle with the same configuration in 1x. I want mail delivery to go much faster, the computer can do much better than this!!! I want the qmail-send program to deliver 4x as many mails. But qmail doesn't "know" what the load on your machine is, or how many processors are available. Scheduling of processes is controlled by the operating system, not the processes themselves. There might be something wrong with the way your OS is set up. There are things that you can do to "tune" a qmail installation, like setting concurrency remote. IIRC they're covered by "Life with qmail". Start at www.qmail.org. Andreas -- Andreas Aardal Hanssen Software Developer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A very simple question
At 11:24 AM -0800 3/18/00, David E. Weekly wrote: Uwe, Okay. Fair enough. So I have a very, very trivial question for the list. (BTW, ext2fs gave me a kernel Oops this morning: something I haven't seen for 4.5 years!) I think that it is an appropriate one. I have a Linux server with a good amount of storage, a decent amount of RAM, a fast processor, and a blazing fast network connection. I want to use it as my mail server (for JUST ME!) and be able to check my email efficiently from multiple locations. I happen to have a lot of mail (5000 messages, ~200/day), so I'd also like to be able to filter my messages. The answer so far has been to use qmail w/IMAP patched for Maildir. But now that it seems that my underlying filesystem is unhappy enough about this idea to crash my kernel, it's not seeming like such a hot notion. Previously, I had used qmail with an mbox file. This worked until my mbox grew to about 50Mb, at which point my system choked, since every five minutes when my client would duck in to see if it had any mail, the entire mbox file would be loaded in from disk, parsed, and stored in memory, causing my disk to thrash not only due to constantly reading in such big files, but also from the paging generated from having a 50Mb process in memory. I have not found a trivial way to use filtering with the two above scenarios. (A pointer to a FAQ and/or an answer would be great: I'm more than happy to RTFM when I know where the FM is.) So right now, as a single user on a powerful system, I have no good way to handle email. This seems pretty pathetic. Anyone care to lend (well, okay, give) a few words of advice? Sounds to me like you need two things, a better IMAP server and a better mail client. You don't say which client you're using, but I'd suggest giving mutt a try. mutt can handle both maildirs and mailboxes natively, and also do IMAP. You should also give Sam's courier-imap a try, which is written for Maildirs and is also likely to be far more efficient than imapd. (I go only by the reputation of imapd, since I've never used it (and, with its CERT record, never would). courier-imap I do use, and it works well.) Sam's maildrop does filtering, and also understands Maildir, and there are procmail patches for Maildir if you want to use procmail for filtering. I get around 200 messages a day myself, but very little of that gets saved. I find filtering with maildrop, using courier-imap and Eudora or mutt as clients to be a good solution for that kind of volume. Sounds to me like you're saving a lot, and you might want to look into saving into a database for long term storage. -david -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mac client
At 8:03 PM + 3/12/00, David Pratt wrote: Can anyone recommend an email client for Macs that it is qmail compatible? I don't appear to be having any success trying to get my mail with Eudora. Eudora on a Mac works fine with qmail-pop3d. (I'm using Eurora on a Mac right now, but I've long since switched to courier-imap to retrieve mail.) You're going to have to tell us what's exactly is going wrong. Eudora has a mode to log every byte sent in and out during a connection. (In Special-Settings-Logging.) Turn it on and see what's happening. Best regards, David -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maildir imap and vpopmail
At 2:57 PM + 3/3/00, Derek Smith wrote: Hi, I want to have imapd use Maildir format maildrops and use vchpw also. Does anyone do this, are there patches available for imap-maildir (or another imap server) or is there another method of implementing this? Sounds like you should check out: http://www.inter7.com/courierimap/ Thanks in advance, Cheers, Del. -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail-pop3d slowness
At 10:40 PM -0500 2/24/00, Juan E Suris wrote: Hello All, Like a good qmail user, I changed qmail-pop3d from inetd to tcpserver, but now it's really slow. It takes about 10 secs to respond. Is this usual. Following are my start scripts. Thanks, JES here's what my run script look like: /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-pop3d/run #!/bin/sh VUID=`id -u vpopmail` VGID=`id -g vpopmail` exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 200 \ /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R -u $VUID -g $VGID 0 pop-3 \ Turn off reverse lookups. Add a -H. /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup \ http://www.ypay4it.comwww.ypay4it.com /mail/bin/vchkpw /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d \ Maildir 21 /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-pop3d/log/run #!/bin/sh exec /usr/local/bin/setuidgid qmaill /usr/local/bin/multilog t \ /var/log/qmail/pop3d ___ Get your free, private email, mailing lists and web site at http://www.Ypay4it.comhttp://www.Ypay4it.com -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: imap, CRAM-MD5
At 11:55 AM -0500 2/11/00, Dave Sill wrote: I'm having the same trouble with imap-4.5 (with David Harris' maildir patches) that I had with APOP: plaintext login authentication works fine, but CRAM-MD5 authentication fails every time. With APOP, the challenge/response are easy to calculate, e.g.: echo -n "[EMAIL PROTECTED]apoptest"|md5 where the message-ID-looking thing is the challenge, and "apoptest" is the password. But CRAM-MD5 does something different...some sort of "keyed md5". Anyone know how to manually generate the proper response? Anyone know if fetchmail does it right? Yes, it does. I can log into courier-imap with it: leprss% fetchmail -vv -c --protocol IMAP-CRAMMD5 mors.gsfc.nasa.gov Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: fetchmail: 5.2.0 querying mors.gsfc.nasa.gov (protocol IMAP-LOGIN) at Fri, 11 Fe b 2000 12:01:18 -0500 (EST) fetchmail: IMAP * OK Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-1999 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information. fetchmail: IMAP A0001 CAPABILITY fetchmail: IMAP * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 NAMESPACE AUTH=CRAM-MD5 fetchmail: IMAP A0001 OK CAPABILITY completed fetchmail: Protocol identified as IMAP4 rev 1 fetchmail: CRAM-MD5 authentication is supported fetchmail: IMAP A0002 AUTHENTICATE CRAM-MD5 fetchmail: IMAP + PDMwMjkxM0I4QjlDNEMyRDc3ODVDNjJBOTg2RjRFMjJBQG1vcnMuZ3NmYy5uY XNhLmdvdj4= fetchmail: decoded as [EMAIL PROTECTED] fetchmail: replying with schinder 4513b42652255597820d812cdfe3e0a5 fetchmail: IMAP c2NoaW5kZXIgNDUxM2I0MjY1MjI1NTU5NzgyMGQ4MTJjZGZlM2UwYTU= fetchmail: IMAP A0002 OK LOGIN Ok. fetchmail: selecting or re-polling default folder fetchmail: IMAP A0003 EXAMINE INBOX fetchmail: IMAP * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent) fetchmail: IMAP * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] No permanent flags permitted fetchmail: IMAP * 10 EXISTS fetchmail: IMAP * 1 RECENT fetchmail: IMAP * OK [UIDVALIDITY 947781516] fetchmail: IMAP A0003 OK [READ-ONLY] Ok 10 messages (9 seen) for schinder at mors.gsfc.nasa.gov. fetchmail: IMAP A0004 LOGOUT fetchmail: IMAP * BYE Courier-IMAP server shutting down fetchmail: IMAP A0004 OK LOGOUT completed fetchmail: normal termination, status 0 Anyone using imap-4.5 with CRAM-MD5 successfully? I'm using courier-imap with CRAM-MD5. Both fetchmail and MacOS Eudora can log in. -Dave -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checkpw, APOP
At 2:58 PM -0500 2/10/00, Dave Sill wrote: Paul Schinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:39 PM -0500 2/10/00, Dave Sill wrote: I installed Shinya Ohira's checkpw checkpassword replacement, and it works fine with "checkpw" (standard USER + PASS authentication), but with "checkapoppw" I get "authorization failed". I'm using fetchmail, but I have the same problem when I "manually" generate the APOP hash. Really? It works for me. Do you have a ~/Maildir/.password with the right permissions? Yeah, really. I put the .password in place, verified it using checkpw, switched to checkapoppw without touching .password, and it fails. How can I debug this? Put recordio in the chain, or fetchmail -vv. I'll try recordio, but here's what fetchmail -vv said: $ fetchmail -vv fetchmail: 5.1.0 querying emaildev (protocol APOP) at Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:49:04 -0500 (EST) fetchmail: POP3 +OK [EMAIL PROTECTED] fetchmail: POP3 APOP de5 377129bbb5e2a8e84b0576cddaf384c9 fetchmail: POP3 -ERR authorization failed fetchmail: authorization failed fetchmail: Authorization failure on de5@emaildev fetchmail: POP3 QUIT fetchmail: authorization error while fetching from emaildev fetchmail: Query status=3 fetchmail: normal termination, status 3 fetchmail: Deleting fetchids file. (.password contained "apoptest" at the time) I doubt that recordio will help you any more than this. And: $ echo -n "[EMAIL PROTECTED]apoptest"|md5 377129bbb5e2a8e84b0576cddaf384c9 I get the same checksum on both Mac and Sun. Is it an Inhell chip? (It'd give me a perverse pleasure to see something fail on an Intel chip for a change because of endian problems.) Maybe checkpw's md5 calculation assumes big endian? I use it on both PPC (Linux) and Sparc (Solaris 7) with no problems. -Dave -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checkpw, APOP
At 2:39 PM -0500 2/10/00, Dave Sill wrote: I installed Shinya Ohira's checkpw checkpassword replacement, and it works fine with "checkpw" (standard USER + PASS authentication), but with "checkapoppw" I get "authorization failed". I'm using fetchmail, but I have the same problem when I "manually" generate the APOP hash. Really? It works for me. Do you have a ~/Maildir/.password with the right permissions? How can I debug this? Put recordio in the chain, or fetchmail -vv. -Dave -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checkpw, APOP
At 3:21 PM -0500 2/10/00, Dave Sill wrote: Solaris 7 SPARC, gcc 2.8.1. Compiler bug, maybe? I'm using 2.95.2 now, and it was 2.95.1 that compiled the checkpw that does this: leprss% fetchmail -vv -c --protocol APOP mors.gsfc.nasa.gov Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: fetchmail: 5.2.0 querying mors.gsfc.nasa.gov (protocol APOP) at Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:25:58 -0500 (EST) fetchmail: POP3 +OK [EMAIL PROTECTED] fetchmail: POP3 APOP schinder b765dc6f5216e38f4d349c3ecc057541 fetchmail: POP3 +OK fetchmail: selecting or re-polling default folder fetchmail: POP3 STAT fetchmail: POP3 +OK 5 19217 fetchmail: POP3 LAST fetchmail: POP3 +OK 0 5 messages for schinder at mors.gsfc.nasa.gov (19217 octets). fetchmail: POP3 QUIT fetchmail: POP3 +OK fetchmail: normal termination, status 0 Of course, checkpw was compiled on a 32 bit SparcIPX, and is now running on a 64 bit Ultra 5. I could send the binary to you if you want (12k), since you're running on a SPARC. -Dave -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail and rblsmtpd
At 10:44 AM + 2/4/00, kevin wrote: Hi All, Is there anyone who knows about how to setup rblsmtpd ? I've tried loads of different sources and I can't seem to find a way to set-up qmail to bloke relay spam to my server. This my current start-up for qmail in /etc/init.d : /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -u 101 -g 100 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd I have tried the following combinations : Here is the rblsmtpd help prompt : rblsmtpd [ -b ] [ -R ] [ -r domain ] [ -t timeout ] smtpd [ arg ... ] And in theory this should work : /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -u 101 -g 100 0 smtp /opt/software/bin/rblmstpd /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd But, ir doesn't bloke reply spam from the test from RSS list? Because you didn't tell it to. rblsmtpd by default only checks the RBL. You can chain them: rblsmtpd rbmsmtpd -rrelays.mail-abuse.org ... or there's a patch available at www.qmail.org to allow rblsmtpd to take more than one -r. But you say you're trying to block "relay spam". Do you mean that a spammer is relaying spam through your server? If so, rblsmtpd isn't going to fix that. You've botched the installation of qmail if spammers can relay, since by default qmail won't relay. Any ideas? Regards, Kevin Smith Lemon Lainey Design UK http://www.lemonlaineydesign.com -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Routin only some virtual-adresses
At 12:43 PM +0100 2/4/00, Puck wrote: Yes, that's what i thought of ... if i would be able to code this :- I don't know (anymore) how to c-code and in perl i'm not familar with sockets and so on :-(( Install libnet, available from CPAN (if you don't know what CPAN is, you should: http://cpan.perl.org), and you won't have to deal with sockets and so on. You simply "use Net::SMTP;" and proceed from there, following the documentation. Anyone there who could do this? :-) Thomas -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using fetchmail on qmail
At 11:11 AM +0600 2/1/00, Md. Sifat Ullah Patwary wrote: Thanks Okky, But I need fetchmail not to use pop account rather Queued mail from an SMTP (qmail smtp) server. (Off line basis) But, as you showed us, the remote server does not support ETRN, so you can't do what you're trying to do. And it's not qmail, so no AUTOTURN. Any solution please. Find another way to get your mail. Does the remote server support POP or IMAP or UUCP? At this point you should be asking your ISP, not us. qmail really has nothing to do with your problem. At 12:09 PM 2/1/00 +0700, you wrote: I use qmail on my server, and run fetchmail as daemon to check my external POP account. Here's my command line: fetchmail -u user --monitor -v my.external.pop.server Without -p, fetchmail will try every available protocol to use and if there's none, it exits with an error. -Okky On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Md. Sifat Ullah Patwary wrote: Hi all, I issued the command 'fetchmail -p ETRN mail.xxx.com' and fetchmail gave the result as below: (The mail.xxx.com is a qmail server) fetchmail: mail.spnetctg.com's SMTP listener does not support ETRN fetchmail: client/server protocol error while fetching from mail.spnetctg.com fetchmail: Query Status=4 Any help? Sifat. -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where is the mistake
At 11:54 AM +0100 2/1/00, Vincent Schonau wrote: From your emails to the list it seems that you're attempting to use qmail using serveral different approaches. You should probably start over, and follow the instructions at URL:http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html#installation *exactly*. Actually, I was helping a guy get qmail running on Yellow Dog Linux (runs on PPC's, i.e. Macs), and it was failing precisely *because* he was following the instructions exactly. The problem turned out to be this exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 200 \ /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb \ -u $QMAILDUID -g $NOFILESGID 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 21 The memory limit was too small for tcpserver (takes about 1.5 M) to load a copy of glibc (about 1M), so getservbyname was failing, so no smtp service could be found. Dave, you should make clear that 200 may need adjusting. This would likely have failed on my new Sun Ultra 5's as well, although I use my own scripts there, so I've never actually tried it. -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3 quickies!
At 10:24 AM -0500 12/23/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Marc-Adrian Napoli" spake unto me and said: What i'm after is a solution that falls into place at the qmail-send/qmail-local stage that will quickly check the headers of the message to be delivered locally first for any particular strings. (Silly email addresses or anything with the word "buy now" or "sell now" etc) I recommend that you be _VERY_ careful with this idea, especially if you are an ISP. In particular, bouncing emails may anger your customers, and destroying emails can get your butt sued off. Suppose one of your customers is sent an email from his stock broker, saying "Sell Now" Your customer never gets the email, and loses his shirt, because of your spam "protection". You will deserve whatever happens to you. Other than RBL-blocking, and making sure _your_ relay is closed, I recommend that you only use filters which are _explicitly_ approved by _each_ affected customer. Deciding for your _customer_ which emails look "bad" to _you_ is very foolish. Check out http://www.pobox.com for a good example of spam filtering which is _customer_ approved. I agree with your sentiment completely. I don't want *my* ISP making *any* of these decisions without my knowing, and I'd certainly want a way of creating my own "tunnels" through any of their blocks. But the example is poor, IMHO. I have a pobox account for non-work related mail, and I had their spam filtering on for a while before finally turning it off. It tagged things as spam that weren't. It missed tagging most real spam. In short, it wasn't any help at all. What I want them to offer, what I'd pay extra for, and what they don't offer (at least the last time I checked), is RBL+DUL+RSS on my incoming mail stream with the ability to tunnel selected IP's through, and the ability to find out what was blocked. (Which is exactly what I do use on my work machines with rblsmtpd.) DUL by itself would catch most of the spam I get through my pobox account. So since I can't RBL+DUL+RSS the mail passing through pobox in any convenient way, I pass it through some maildrop filters on one of my home machines and access it from there. In the end, only I know what is spam and what is not, so I prefer dealing with the problem at the end of the chain which I control rather than at the points in between over which I have little or no control. Unfortunately, that means I have to accept the spam in the before programmatically discarding it. Len. -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LOTS of Orbs hits
On 05 Jun 1999 21:49:04 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: As a side note, I'd strongly recommend dumping ORBS in favor of a more ethical blackhole list. The maintainer of ORBS has gone on public record as blocking hosts because he "doesn't like their attitude," even if spam has never gone anywhere near them. I've heard good things about RRSS (URL:http://relays.radparker.com/) and the person running it certainly seems to be much calmer and more professional about it. I saw this site mentioned on the Tidbits Talk list about a week ago. I took a look, and I didn't see anything very useful. It looked to me like a Vixie RBL clone, only listing sites that had already spammed. I rarely get RBL hits, and would guess that RRSS hits would be equally as rare. The usefulness of ORBS to me has always been that they do list sites that have never spammed but are open to abuse. From what you say above, it looks like its finally time to dump ORBS. It's always been an administrative headache, since so many sites that send us legitimate mail, including Goddard's own main mail servers, are in ORBS. But I will miss the before-the-fact prevention. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 Greenbelt, MD 20770 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RRSS, was LOTS of Orbs hits
On 6 Jun 1999 13:23:01 -0400, John R. Levine wrote: I've heard good things about RRSS (URL:http://relays.radparker.com/) and the person running it certainly seems to be much calmer and more professional about it. I saw this site mentioned on the Tidbits Talk list about a week ago. I took a look, and I didn't see anything very useful. It looked to me like a Vixie RBL clone, only listing sites that had already spammed. I rarely get RBL hits, and would guess that RRSS hits would be equally as rare. On the contrary, I get scads of delivery attempts from hosts in RRSS. RRSS is like ORBS in that when an IP is nominated, it sends a relay test and adds the host immediately if the relay test succeeds. This can take as little as a minute or two. Many sites, including mine, have spam trap addresses set up to automatically send nominations to RRSS whenever spam arrives from an unknown address, meaning that a new relay is typically listed within a few minutes of starting a spam run. But how is this different from Vixie RBL, except for the openness check? Or are you saying that if a site does spam but turns out not to be open it doesn't get listed? The usefulness of ORBS to me has always been that they do list sites that have never spammed but are open to abuse. That's part of the problem -- the vast majority of hosts in ORBS have never relayed any spam and never will, and I hope we agree that the goal is not to block legitimate non-spam mail. RRSS lists actual open spam relays, and gets them in promptly. Yes, that is the problem with ORBS. So many of the sites that we get legitimate mail from, including universities, other NASA sites, and ISP's both national and regional, are in the ORBS that I have a large list of sites permitted to tunnel through, and I have to keep a close eye on my logs. Maybe I will dump ORBS and give RRSS a try. -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 Greenbelt, MD 20770 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multiple outgoing messages
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 05:04:06PM -0500, Joe Garcia wrote: } Hey some of us youngins weren't around for the low bandwidth (modem) email } days, which is what UUCP was created for. I couldn't even begin to tell you } how to set up UUCP it my life depended on it. :) The funny part about } this is that I am old enough to remeber a pre-web Internet. } } Anyway he is correct that is the best way to do it. Unfortunately qmail } won't do that, only one I know of is the beast, Sendmail. qmail won't do what? qmail is perfectly capable of working with uucp. I have it set up to do that myyself. See the FAQ. -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center [EMAIL PROTECTED]
