Re: [Quantum Owners] H4/Facebook problem

[Matthew Wastell]

Hi,  you are Russ aren’t you?

Just checked Facebook group and no Russ has joined in the last month according 
to the logs.  And don’t recall any posts about non starting recently.

Were you in this group?

Quantum Sports Cars 
Group
facebook.com
[TYhiZ_A7dmu.ico]


Good luck with the car.

Matthew



On 8 Oct 2023, at 19:08, flob...@gmail.com  wrote:


I started a thread on Facebook to which I recv'd several helpful replies about 
a problem with an H4 but now my facebook account has been suspended, i don't 
what rule I have broken as I only opened the account this week and that thread 
was the only one I have commented on so I'll continue on here.
I have now checked and there is no spark after engine stalls and i try to 
restart it, however if the engine stalls after running for a only a few seconds 
I can restart it. It occurred to me that the immobilizer could be causing the 
problem but I tried resetting it and the LED that shows it is off is lit and 
car will not start.
After writing the above I tried starting the car from cold without turning the 
immobilizer off and the car started ran for 10-20 sec stalled and would not 
restart. So perhaps the immobiliser is the problem?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Heater Matrix (Fiesta Mk2)

[Matthew Wastell]

Discord is very much like many real time chatting tools from old IRC to modern 
Slack and even Microsoft teams.

Many people don’t thread their topics so you just get everyone talking at once, 
replies mistaken for a different topic and so on.

Discord and chat platforms in general are really throw away messaging 
platforms, designed for comments in the moment and what is going on that 
second.  Like having a conversation in real life really.  If people reply to 
something from half an hour ago it doesn’t make sense. I’m sure we’ve all had 
experience of a deep thinker who after being asked something replies half an 
hour later.  Unless they say “in reply to your question about….” It doesn’t 
make sense.

Unless you are forced to thread, (or even given the opportunity to do so 
easily) it will always be a mess and confuse those who are thinking it’s an 
asynchronous platform.

I think this is why we see a general age or tech-ability split between 
synchronous and asynchronous messaging platforms.

M



On 19 Jul 2023, at 11:20, Jim Hearne  wrote:


Funny you say that, i joined a Discord group for old computers and just 
couldn’t make head or tail of it.
All the messages just seemed to be in time order with all subjects mixed up, i 
couldn’t work out any way to follow threads or keep track of what i had replied 
to.
Maybe it was just me but i left after a few days.

I will have a look at the Mini matrixs.

Jim



From: Darren Siepka
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2023 10:54 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Heater Matrix (Fiesta Mk2)

I also agree how horrid FB is( I only have an account to use messenger!)
The ECU group (speeduino ) I contribute to have moved to discord after a short 
trial of slack.
This is much nicer for conversation than FB.

Back to the subject.

I also looked for a replacement and was staggered at the quality and the cost 
of a replacement.
So looking elsewhere I found BMW mini matrixes! They are all ally and are a 
very close fit. The pipes plug in(also alloy) and could be made to use the 
original body holes if desired ( I am not) .they also are super cheap,even new!
I am using one of these along with the matching PTC element in my MK3 box on my 
updated 2+2 build.
The MK2 matrix is similar .

On Wed, 19 Jul 2023, 09:34 Jim Hearne,  wrote:
Thank you for the picture, I will have one more go at getting the alloy one to 
fit and if not i will get one of those.
In my case the matrix failed while the car was unused for over 5 years.
Despite being filled with new orange antifreeze it managed to corrode though 
the matrix and empty the entire cooling system into the footwells.
Luckily there was no carpet fitted.
I have also drilled a hole in the lowest part of the lower cover, as you say, 
you can see the first trace of a leak then instead of waiting until the whole 
lower cover has filled with water.

Jim




From: list...@liberator-systems.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 11:41 PM
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Heater Matrix (Fiesta Mk2)

I agree the alloy matrices give out a toasty heat -  I am hoping even if get 
less heat output  I get better reliability. Time will tell.
When I get some spare time I may test/dissect the failed alloy ones to see if 
there is a common fail point. One theory I had on fails was they could be the 
weakest part of an overheated pressurised cooling system and do not handle 
overheating very well (had plenty of those). I guess they are pressure/leak 
tested on manufacture but maybe they don't handle cycles of overheating very 
well.
I forgot to post pic earlier of metal matrix snug fit in box. I have now 
drilled a few small holes in lowest part of heater box so any dribble from 
these will hopefully give an early alert to any developing leak and avoid the 
box filling up like a swmming pool BTDT
[IMG_20230712_135949628.jpg]

On Tuesday, 18 July 2023 at 08:51:53 UTC+1 Jim Hearne wrote:
Hi John,
Thank you for taking the time to keep trying to pass on your message.
I agreed with everything you said about facebook  but unfortunately it seems to 
be where everybody is going nowadays.

Be interesting to hear your results with the all metal one, i had tried one of 
those many years ago and the heat output seemed a lot less than the plastic/ 
aluminium ones.
I assumed this was because there are a lot less fins on the all metal ones.

Many thanks,

Jim


From: list...@liberator-systems.co.uk
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 10:54 PM
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Heater Matrix (Fiesta Mk2)

Jim Hearne recently posted a question on the QOC Facebook group about heater 
matrix.
I  did try several times to post some comments there but my comments never 
appeared and I gave up so posting here instead.

Just as an aside tbh I find FB incredibly frustrating to use for groups - it is 
difficult to follow conversations/threads, poor sequencing, endless clicking 
required,  total waste of screen space, poor 

Re: [Quantum Owners] Photo Request

[Matthew Wastell]

If you want you can upload pics to the Facebook group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4625693113/

On 12 Jun 2021, at 00:21, Matthew Wastell  wrote:


How about one from the original quantum Ireland trip. We all lined up outside 
somewhere or other. I can dog that one out if interested?

A Morgan may have snuck in though!



On 11 Jun 2021, at 18:08, 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 
 wrote:


Yes, they will use a single photo in the programme, so I would really like a 
good photo to show off the cars and club.

Regards,
Steve


On 11 June 2021 17:46:45 Jim Hearne  wrote:

I think he's looking for 1 photo that shows all of Quantum models.

Jim


On 11/06/2021 17:35, 'janhaines30' via Quantum Owners Group wrote:
Hi Steve

What sort of photos are u looking for

Jan



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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Photo Request

Does anyone have a good quality, high resolution photograph of each
Quantum model in a single photo? As part of the Silverstone Classic
package we get to submit a single photo that will be included with a
short club bio. If anyone has a photo they believe would be suitable
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Photo Request

[Matthew Wastell]

How about one from the original quantum Ireland trip. We all lined up outside 
somewhere or other. I can dog that one out if interested?

A Morgan may have snuck in though!



On 11 Jun 2021, at 18:08, 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 
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Yes, they will use a single photo in the programme, so I would really like a 
good photo to show off the cars and club.

Regards,
Steve


On 11 June 2021 17:46:45 Jim Hearne  wrote:

I think he's looking for 1 photo that shows all of Quantum models.

Jim


On 11/06/2021 17:35, 'janhaines30' via Quantum Owners Group wrote:
Hi Steve

What sort of photos are u looking for

Jan



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Date: 11/06/2021 15:56 (GMT+00:00)
To: Quantum Owners Group 

Subject: [Quantum Owners] Photo Request

Does anyone have a good quality, high resolution photograph of each
Quantum model in a single photo? As part of the Silverstone Classic
package we get to submit a single photo that will be included with a
short club bio. If anyone has a photo they believe would be suitable
please forward to me ASAP as I have less than 1 week to submit.

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Xtreme Vs other 7 type cars.

[Matthew Wastell]

> Last night's topic of conversation in the pub was your cars got inboard 
> suspension which is rubbish

So has the aerial atom…..  Must be rubbish then.  (ok different design)  Your 
friend sounds like an idiot.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Adrian Flux...

[Matthew Wastell]

It certainly feels punitive, but if it’s in the contract. it’s why I always 
read contracts and never had PPI ;-)

M



On 21 Jun 2019, at 18:48, Niall McCracken 
mailto:niallmccrac...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all

Thanks for all the comments - just to clarify I've had to scrap the quantum 
following it's MOT. I've got no intention of insuring it twice.

I know my way around policy documents and it is indeed in the terms of the 
credit agreement on page 927 paragraph 97 subsection 18 (or whatever!), I was 
just wondering whether this is yet another example of Adrian Flux ripping 
people off and providing a poor service or whether or not I'd been misinformed 
at point of sale. It seems like a lovely mix of both.

However, we're talking a grand total of £61 so it's not the end of the world, 
it just seems like a fairly nefarious tactic to me, and certainly not one I've 
ever experienced before (and I've had lots of cars over the years)

Niall

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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses

[Matthew Wastell]

Any company that tries to convince someone that an engine with 30k miles is end 
of life due to ‘the wrong fuel’, and that burning a litre of oil every tank of 
petrol is perfectly fine is going on my actively dissuade people to use list.

They said the engine seemed really powerful (slap themselves on back) yet it 
was barely over 100bhp.

I’m sure the engine was capable but it needed a lot of love. Sorry it’s in your 
garage now!  Make a boat anchor if you need though.





On 15 May 2019, at 12:06, Jim Hearne 
mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote:

I wondered if you’d mention them 
Mind you, that was a long time ago.

Jim


From: Matthew Wastell
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses

My ears perk up if specialised engines are mentioned.

Awful bunch of people!  Terrible service. Supply bad engines, blame everyone 
else.

IMHO only!



On 15 May 2019, at 11:40, Jim Hearne  wrote:

I have to say, i think they (Specalised Engines) are going in the wrong 
direction here.
Rather than getting special hoses made i think they would be better off 
changing or modifying whatever parts are stopping the standard RS1800i hose 
from fitting.

Jim


From: Julian Coleman
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:32 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses

I don't have the pictures yet, but have been promised some, so I'll post them 
in due course. Might be a couple of weeks as the new hoses will take a couple 
of weeks.

Julian



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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses


Hmm, strange.

I wonder if some of the 2.0 mounting brackets are still on the engine and 
getting in the way of the 1.6/1.8 hose routing.
And if the Alternator and power steering pump (if fitted) have been moved to 
the 1.6/1.8 locations.

Have you got any pictures of this area on your car ?

Jim


From: Julian Coleman
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 10:42 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses

Apparently not. The Demon tweaks kit was looked at but rejected. I'll try to 
get more details.


Julian




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Sent:
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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses


Looking on the net there seem to be silcone bottom hoses available for the 
Fiesta RS1800i.
With the water pump on the 2.0 Zetec changed to the 1.6/1.8 version i would 
think that would fit correctly ?

Jim




From: Julian Coleman
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:10 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses


I've been looking into replacing the old hoses on the H4. It turns out that 
this combination which is a 2l Zetec in what was originally a 1.6 Zetec 
installation, is too niche/weird to have a hose kit available. The problem is 
the complex bottom hose to the radiator which is not available anywhere. So 
this is going to have to be made specially which means a mould will be made for 
it

Hence if anyone is looking for such an item, I should soon be able to put you 
on to a source able to do just that hose or indeed a full kit.

Regards

Julian Coleman
City Audio Services


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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses

[Matthew Wastell]

My ears perk up if specialised engines are mentioned.

Awful bunch of people!  Terrible service. Supply bad engines, blame everyone 
else.

IMHO only!



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I have to say, i think they (Specalised Engines) are going in the wrong 
direction here.
Rather than getting special hoses made i think they would be better off 
changing or modifying whatever parts are stopping the standard RS1800i hose 
from fitting.

Jim


From: Julian Coleman
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:32 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses

I don't have the pictures yet, but have been promised some, so I'll post them 
in due course. Might be a couple of weeks as the new hoses will take a couple 
of weeks.

Julian



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Sent:
Wed, 15 May 2019 10:51:47 +0100
Subject:
Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses


Hmm, strange.

I wonder if some of the 2.0 mounting brackets are still on the engine and 
getting in the way of the 1.6/1.8 hose routing.
And if the Alternator and power steering pump (if fitted) have been moved to 
the 1.6/1.8 locations.

Have you got any pictures of this area on your car ?

Jim


From: Julian Coleman
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 10:42 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses

Apparently not. The Demon tweaks kit was looked at but rejected. I'll try to 
get more details.


Julian




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Sent:
Wed, 15 May 2019 09:42:56 +0100
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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses


Looking on the net there seem to be silcone bottom hoses available for the 
Fiesta RS1800i.
With the water pump on the 2.0 Zetec changed to the 1.6/1.8 version i would 
think that would fit correctly ?

Jim




From: Julian Coleman
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:10 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners] H4 2litre Coolant hoses


I've been looking into replacing the old hoses on the H4. It turns out that 
this combination which is a 2l Zetec in what was originally a 1.6 Zetec 
installation, is too niche/weird to have a hose kit available. The problem is 
the complex bottom hose to the radiator which is not available anywhere. So 
this is going to have to be made specially which means a mould will be made for 
it

Hence if anyone is looking for such an item, I should soon be able to put you 
on to a source able to do just that hose or indeed a full kit.

Regards

Julian Coleman
City Audio Services


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Driving QSC for 25 years . . .

[Matthew Wastell]

It’s not quite true that making a car causes more emissions than running one. 
Assuming a 100k life manufacture is somewhere 20-30% of the life emissions.  Of 
course life is down to use.  Search for the toyota study if you are interested. 
Plenty of people have also corroborated the maths and assumptions.

Electric is the future and there are more and more conversion solutions around 
the corner.   Doesn’t help Hans right now however you aren’t going to change 
these policies.  So you need to find a solution for yourself.

As to 2 mile school run, why not cycle?  ;-)

Boats will be wind powered. It’s the future, ahem.



On 11 May 2019, at 10:11, Darren Siepka 
mailto:dar...@siepka.me.uk>> wrote:

As nice as the electric power idea is the cost is to be honest prohibitive!
I costed converting one of our 2+2 to use for the school run ( 4mile round trip 
twice a day!) And even that would have a long break even time!  :-(
As Derek says the time to get political may be coming! These politicians make 
these policies but just assume we all want to follow along and can afford to do 
so!
Best regards
Darren


On Sat, 11 May 2019, 09:54 Derek Clews, 
mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Hans,

That is terrible.  Kit cars are enthusiast cars and the interest keeps 
engineering skills alive.  I thought recycling cars and their parts was very 
green.  There is more energy consumed in making than running a car.  Is there 
no exemption you can apply for?  If not maybe you need to get political and 
make one happen.  There are classic car dealers and owners in holland (and 
Europe generally) so it may be time to get active withe the government.  It has 
to be an issue with a lot of people if you cast the net wide enough.

Otherwise you could get an out of town location for the cars and move them out. 
 But I can see that may not be possible.  Electric may be your best bet.  Some 
in the QOC are trying electric conversions, so they are best placed to tell you 
about that.  The usual 'tin box route' costs a fortune to own as you say.

Are all the boats going electric as well?

ATB

Derek




On 11 May 2019, at 00:12, Hans Defauwes 
mailto:hansdefau...@hetnet.nl>> wrote:.

I enjoy & drive QSC ‘s for more than 25 years . . .

I own a red Coupe (ex Eddy’s car) and a white LHD 2+2 (ex demonstrator)  but 
for how long ??
I have lots of spare/new service  parts so I can service/fix them on the spot 
when needed.

They never saw a garage form the inside. I build/service/maintain them myself 
incl. engine rebuilds.

I have saved some money to spray and refurbish the coupe and get the 2+2 out of 
storage (recent engine rebuild) and fix the damaged sill/door this summer.

But this plan goes down the drain

Thanks to the Left “green” Amsterdam municipality I soon can’t drive to my 
workshop with my QSC’s
They ban any car/diesel less than Euro4 emissions beginning 2020, banning non 
electric commercial van’s & mopeds by 2025 and any combustion engine vehicle by 
2030.
Other cities want to follow this path to ban combustion vehicles.

How to go to work and maintain the QSC’s – if I can’t drive to my workshop.

1 convert to Electric – very expensive & low range

2 Convert the QSC logbook to Euro6 with a 1.0 Ecoboost engine
The Dutch RDW = DVLA is very reluctant with information on how to change the 
logbook to Euro6.
It seems I need to do an expensive individual emission and safety test by TNO 
(applied scientific research).
Need a  very recent low milage/new 1.0 Ecoboost donor car for the engine, 
gearbox, wire loom etc. modify driveshaft's, etc. etc.
Probably need some re-engineering work. This costs much more than I saved so far

3 buy a tin car 
I hate rust 

After 25+ years my QSC hobby ends unexpected and far to early.

There is a very small kit car market in The Netherlands. So selling my QSC’s 
will be difficult.
In the current state, both need body work, they will not be worth very much.
The car dismantling company’s (scrap heap) don't want them due to the fiber body
I can sell the spare parts to ford lovers – there are less than 80 registered 
fiesta MK2 XR2 left in The Netherlands . . .

Hans

ps who knows I might win the lottery









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Re: [Quantum Owners] Barry the painter?

[Matthew Wastell]

I had this too although went straight to my junk folder.

My Mac displayed the image. Clicking on it and it was blocked by my router as 
that runs anti malware at the network level.

My PC wouldn’t display the image (outlook 2016).

I was going to inspect the webpage to see what it contained but in the end 
couldn’t be bothered to turn off protection for curiosity sake.

These sorts of exploits won’t need to grab passwords so that won’t actually 
make a difference to security in this case however it is absolutely the best 
thing to do, use different complex passwords for every service.  Never reuse 
passwords it’s the most common way to be compromised now. There are many 
websites that will list your most used passwords.

If you have a Mac and iPhone use apples keychain with a biometric unlock. Use 
it to generate passwords for each service.

If you are PC or cross platform then lastpass offers a free secure service 
which is very good and used by many of the IT security people I’ve worked with.

If you need to remember a complex password use a description.

For example if you can remember My favourite password manager is lastpass for 
best security = mfpmislfbs.   You can start to add some uppercase, numbers and 
symbols too e.g  Mfpmfb5lfb5!  (Simply replace s with 5 and add punctuation). 
Note do not use this trick with dictionary words p455w0rd is no more secure 
than ‘password’ as most password crackers have a simple option that replaces 
common letter number switches.

Finally treat any ‘from address’ as simply a hint that it might be from that 
person. Give me 10 seconds and I can send an email ‘from’ anyone to anyone*   
The only way to be sure is to use a PGP signature however I’ve probably lost 
you all by now ;-)

*in most cases.

Quantum on.





On 31 Dec 2018, at 11:29, 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 
mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


Martin,

I have recently received a strange that sounds similar to the one you received. 
 Mine had the subject "Re: Fw: My silver Q" and had a green image labelled 
"Display Message" - attached is a screen capture of that image which is safe to 
view.

The image if clicked would lead to a website link that I strongly suspect would 
try to download malware.  Therefore if anyone else is receiving unexpected 
emails like this be very careful when opening them.

As a general rule if you are not expecting an email do not trust its contents.  
This is especially true for any emails relating to payments and/or invoices.  
The bad guys has started compromising company email accounts and sending out 
emails requesting backing/payment details are updated to their back account 
rather than the legitimate owner.  If you receive emails of this nature from 
someone you know always call them on a known number (do not use a number on 
their signature as that might be updated too!) to confirm.

To answer Martin's question I would think it is more likely that someone else 
has their computer/email account compromised.  My email came from a Hotmail 
account, but I do not see that account within this group.

To minimise the risk of an email account becoming compromised I would strongly 
recommend a good password (think of something ~17 characters long) that is 
unique to that account.  Also all the big email providers, Facebook, Twitter 
etc will offer some form of 2-factor authentication and this should be enabled. 
 A long password might be difficult to remember, so utilise a decent password 
manager so you only have to remember a single strong password.  For work and 
personal reasons I have over 200 passwords and without a password manager I 
wouldn't have a hope of remembering them all - I only have 3 that I need to 
remember and the reset are stored in password managers.

I know from professional experience that companies are losing money to the bad 
guys via this type of social engineering so please be cautious when opening 
emails.

Regards,
Steve



On 30/12/2018 16:27, Susan and Martin Scott wrote:
Hi all,
hope all Quantumers (not forgetting other kit car owners) had a good 
Christmas! I had a message this morning entitled "Brush painting gel coat" from 
someone called Barry. If Barry has my email via the group that's not a problem, 
but the message had no script, just attachment so looked suspicious  I deleted 
it. If Barry wants to pick my brains then no problem, can he send another note!
To Jim, Steve or other techi people... Is it possible (or even likely) that 
my computer had been infiltrated by someone who's gathered a subject and my 
email name (which isn't used in many places) and sent something malicious?
Martin
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Ethanol in petrol

[Matthew Wastell]

Ethanol is higher octane I recall. It’s one of the reasons they like to use it 
when boosting na engines without further modifications.   It’s something like 
95 Ron becomes 97 with e10.

M


On 20 Aug 2018, at 20:00, Susan and Martin Scott 
mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>>
 wrote:

John Dickens did an article in CKC (about 2 years ago?) IIRC the ethanol is the 
villain of the piece! will eat through aluminium alloys, steel (unless 
stainless) and most rubber tubing (latest are spec'd for E10 it appears).
Having allowed older cars to 'avoid' MOT, they are now likely to become a fire 
hazard! - good move by the authorities?
Geoff experienced this with a fuel pipe (my apologies if that's inaccurate) and 
my Rickman had similar last year 2 days after it's MOT test (when all was well) 
a pipe started leaking as I approached the MOT centre (it was sucking in air). 
It's worrying that it can go from no leak to leaking in several places very 
quickly!  Presumably the fuel I was using was E5. I shall be looking at 
measuring my rubber pipes and sourcing some E10 compatible ones - what to do 
about the other bits? Presumably E5 is half as dangerous as E10? (or is it not 
a 'straight line' relationship). I don't think the lower octane is an issue per 
se (unless it's a very old/performance car designed for higher octane) and 
retarding the ignition will possibly sort it - or add an octane booster. Many 
claims are made of additives, but I struggle to understand how an additive can 
diminish the effect of Ethanol without removing it - maybe leave the filler cap 
off? (joke)
Martin
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 7:10 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Ethanol in petrol

Thanks for the info. Survey completed.
Anyone got any idea what damage this E10 fuel could actually do to an old car 
running on 95 octane unleaded?

Dave English
Q2-009

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts

[Matthew Wastell]

Sold to Jim. Please transfer £0.00 in your own time. ;-)

> On 20 Jul 2018, at 11:48, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> They are probably the same camber adjusting bolts as i used on my 2+2
> I'll buy them please.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Matthew Wastell
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 11:33 AM
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts
> 
> I’ve got some kind of top offset correction bolts knocking about if anyone 
> wants them?
> 
> Never needed them on mine as the geometry was near on perfect as standard.
> 
> M
> 
> 
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 10:28, Jim Hearne  wrote:
>> 
>> If Derek is referring to the bolts that hold the shock absorber onto the hub 
>> carrier then they are special Ford bolts.
>> They have splines on the section that goes into the hub carrier to ensure it 
>> is a tight fit and also to tightly control the wheel camber.
>> A standard M12 bolt will give you more chance of misalignment between the 2 
>> parts before the bolt is tightened.
>> It would still be ok but i'd get the camber checked afterwards.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Susan and Martin Scott
>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 10:20 AM
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts
>> 
>> Hi Derek,
>> I don't believe these are anything special, and there are only 2 features
>> which are important... They are high tensile, I don't recall if 10.8 or 12 -
>> you may see on the old ones., and they have a red 'locktite' patch on them.
>> A standard bolt of the correct size and strength with some locktite added
>> will be good at a fraction of the price.
>> Martin
>> ps. pleased to see the successful outcome with the insurance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Derek Clews" 
>> To: "Quantum Owners Club" 
>> Cc: "Derek Clews" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:19 PM
>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts
>> 
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> Does anyone know where to buy the correct service bolts for the front
>> suspension struts attachment on the 2+2?
>> 
>> Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts

[Matthew Wastell]

I’ve got some kind of top offset correction bolts knocking about if anyone 
wants them?

Never needed them on mine as the geometry was near on perfect as standard. 

M



> On 20 Jul 2018, at 10:28, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> If Derek is referring to the bolts that hold the shock absorber onto the hub 
> carrier then they are special Ford bolts.
> They have splines on the section that goes into the hub carrier to ensure it 
> is a tight fit and also to tightly control the wheel camber.
> A standard M12 bolt will give you more chance of misalignment between the 2 
> parts before the bolt is tightened.
> It would still be ok but i'd get the camber checked afterwards.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Susan and Martin Scott
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 10:20 AM
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts
> 
> Hi Derek,
> I don't believe these are anything special, and there are only 2 features
> which are important... They are high tensile, I don't recall if 10.8 or 12 -
> you may see on the old ones., and they have a red 'locktite' patch on them.
> A standard bolt of the correct size and strength with some locktite added
> will be good at a fraction of the price.
> Martin
> ps. pleased to see the successful outcome with the insurance.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Derek Clews" 
> To: "Quantum Owners Club" 
> Cc: "Derek Clews" 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:19 PM
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts
> 
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> Does anyone know where to buy the correct service bolts for the front
> suspension struts attachment on the 2+2?
> 
> Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

[Matthew Wastell]

It's probably worth adding if you speak to a decent suspension place or try to 
calculate everything yourself, the 2+2 weighs around 900 KG which I think is 
slightly more than an XR2.  At least mine weighed 880kg with no carpet and 
several other bits not yet installed. I can't remember the front rear bias now.

On 13 Apr 2017, at 00:28, calum mcpherson 
<calmac1...@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:calmac1...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:

Thanks for input Mathew, lot of good info there. I've got front 'Q' red springs 
from Bob , now refurbed, to go on my car leaving the gas front struts on which 
are fairly new. Ordered new gas rears and will sort out rear springs to suit. 
Interesting your comment re. the rear shock extenders, haven't had shocks off 
yet to confirm if they are fitted, but checked rear turret height in Bobs boot, 
and is same as mine 樂. Like the idea of XR2 rear springs as seems really 
soft/bouncy & on stilts at present. As for power in Bobs car, was awesome, but 
as my 23 yr old also drives mine, far too fast lol. Thanks again for input. 
Calum.

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On 12 Apr 2017, at 23:57, Matthew Wastell 
<matt...@wastell.eu<mailto:matt...@wastell.eu>> wrote:

The setup is standard length XR2 rear springs, quantum red front springs, 
standard length xr2 Gaz adjustable damping dampers.  I had to order the Gaz 
dampers specially as they are otherwise for lowered vehicles so wouldn't have 
the right range of travel.  There are no extensions on the suspension and it's 
the older setup (I think even before they added the extensions).  In my opinion 
it's the right height, later 2+2s to quote Mark 'look like they are on stilts"

I dialled up the damping, which is really a bodge as it needed slightly stiffer 
springs in my opinion (especially at the front)  The only other thing that is 
ideally needed in that setup is increased height bump stops at the rear as the 
tyres will actually touch the rear wheel arches in extreme circumstances.

I checked all angles at that height and everything was as close to ideal values 
as could be. If it was 2" higher it would certainly affect at least one of the 
front wheels' angles. I don't think rear is affected as solid axles.

Too much power?!  Naah. ;-). I'm really quite impressed at that engine, 
it's a regular 2.0 zetec with a decomp plate of 3mm. I bought the decomp plate 
but then decided to go the whole forged pistons route (sadly that was one of 
the many short lived engines in the car). The decomp plate + Mondeo 2.0 auto 
was a quick fix to get me to Ireland.

What mileage is it on now Bob?

M



On 12 Apr 2017, at 21:43, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
<quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Matthew gave me a HUGE pile of receipts when I bought the car. I'm sure the GAZ 
set of dampers was around £450 from Burton Power.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On 12 Apr 2017, at 19:58, calum mcpherson 
<calmac1...@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:calmac1...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:


Thanks for reply Jim,going to check what springs are on rear when removed , but 
want to upgrade shocks anyway to ensure they are operating properly (old one's 
do look well worn, though not leaking) , thinking gas ones rather than oil as 
fronts are gas struts, always used gas rather than air when upgrading.

So to clarify all I am doing is changing rear shocks at present , then will see 
how it all sits, and will leave in (if they are indeed there) the extenders 
till  I change rear springs (if I go for shorter ones).

Was out for a run with Bob Craig in his 2+2 at the weekend , quite a beast , 
well impressed with the whole package , particularly how solid and planted it 
all felt,the power was too much tbh for my needs though was very impressive.

I would settle for the ride and solid feel of Bob's tbh , although I do realise 
he has expensive Gaz adjustable struts & shocks fitted , sadly out of my budget.

Calum.



From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
<quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> on 
behalf of Jim Hearne <j...@quantums.info<mailto:j...@quantums.info>>
Sent: 12 April 2017 19:16:30
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

Don't remove the shock extender on the rear until (if) you fit shorter rear 
springs.
If you are just changing the shocks with the existing springs then swap the 
extender from the old shocks to the new.

Jim



On 12/04/2017 18:38, calum mcpherson wrote:
Decided to upgrade rear shocks (as looking a bit tired), fronts have been 
upgraded to Gas Struts and was thinking same for rear, looking at Kayaba Gas 
ones, as seem reasonable value for money.
I want to upgrade these to make sure all is fine, then will measure all springs

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

[Matthew Wastell]

There's a switch on the dash for low and high power modes ;-). It was around 
200 ish low and 250 high. No reason it couldn't be even lower on low (with some 
additional plumbing). I think Bob had in on the RR at 270 high. High was just 
under 1 bar boost which I'm told is the limit for that engine on standard valve 
springs.

M



On 13 Apr 2017, at 00:28, calum mcpherson 
<calmac1...@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:calmac1...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:

Thanks for input Mathew, lot of good info there. I've got front 'Q' red springs 
from Bob , now refurbed, to go on my car leaving the gas front struts on which 
are fairly new. Ordered new gas rears and will sort out rear springs to suit. 
Interesting your comment re. the rear shock extenders, haven't had shocks off 
yet to confirm if they are fitted, but checked rear turret height in Bobs boot, 
and is same as mine 樂. Like the idea of XR2 rear springs as seems really 
soft/bouncy & on stilts at present. As for power in Bobs car, was awesome, but 
as my 23 yr old also drives mine, far too fast lol. Thanks again for input. 
Calum.

Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Apr 2017, at 23:57, Matthew Wastell 
<matt...@wastell.eu<mailto:matt...@wastell.eu>> wrote:

The setup is standard length XR2 rear springs, quantum red front springs, 
standard length xr2 Gaz adjustable damping dampers.  I had to order the Gaz 
dampers specially as they are otherwise for lowered vehicles so wouldn't have 
the right range of travel.  There are no extensions on the suspension and it's 
the older setup (I think even before they added the extensions).  In my opinion 
it's the right height, later 2+2s to quote Mark 'look like they are on stilts"

I dialled up the damping, which is really a bodge as it needed slightly stiffer 
springs in my opinion (especially at the front)  The only other thing that is 
ideally needed in that setup is increased height bump stops at the rear as the 
tyres will actually touch the rear wheel arches in extreme circumstances.

I checked all angles at that height and everything was as close to ideal values 
as could be. If it was 2" higher it would certainly affect at least one of the 
front wheels' angles. I don't think rear is affected as solid axles.

Too much power?!  Naah. ;-). I'm really quite impressed at that engine, 
it's a regular 2.0 zetec with a decomp plate of 3mm. I bought the decomp plate 
but then decided to go the whole forged pistons route (sadly that was one of 
the many short lived engines in the car). The decomp plate + Mondeo 2.0 auto 
was a quick fix to get me to Ireland.

What mileage is it on now Bob?

M



On 12 Apr 2017, at 21:43, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
<quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Matthew gave me a HUGE pile of receipts when I bought the car. I'm sure the GAZ 
set of dampers was around £450 from Burton Power.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On 12 Apr 2017, at 19:58, calum mcpherson 
<calmac1...@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:calmac1...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:


Thanks for reply Jim,going to check what springs are on rear when removed , but 
want to upgrade shocks anyway to ensure they are operating properly (old one's 
do look well worn, though not leaking) , thinking gas ones rather than oil as 
fronts are gas struts, always used gas rather than air when upgrading.

So to clarify all I am doing is changing rear shocks at present , then will see 
how it all sits, and will leave in (if they are indeed there) the extenders 
till  I change rear springs (if I go for shorter ones).

Was out for a run with Bob Craig in his 2+2 at the weekend , quite a beast , 
well impressed with the whole package , particularly how solid and planted it 
all felt,the power was too much tbh for my needs though was very impressive.

I would settle for the ride and solid feel of Bob's tbh , although I do realise 
he has expensive Gaz adjustable struts & shocks fitted , sadly out of my budget.

Calum.



From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
<quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> on 
behalf of Jim Hearne <j...@quantums.info<mailto:j...@quantums.info>>
Sent: 12 April 2017 19:16:30
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

Don't remove the shock extender on the rear until (if) you fit shorter rear 
springs.
If you are just changing the shocks with the existing springs then swap the 
extender from the old shocks to the new.

Jim



On 12/04/2017 18:38, calum mcpherson wrote:
Decided to upgrade rear shocks (as looking a bit tired), fronts have been 
upgraded to Gas Struts and was thinking same for rear, looking at Kayaba Gas 
ones, as seem reasonable value for money.
I want to upgrade these to make sure all is fine, then wi

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

[Matthew Wastell]

The setup is standard length XR2 rear springs, quantum red front springs, 
standard length xr2 Gaz adjustable damping dampers.  I had to order the Gaz 
dampers specially as they are otherwise for lowered vehicles so wouldn't have 
the right range of travel.  There are no extensions on the suspension and it's 
the older setup (I think even before they added the extensions).  In my opinion 
it's the right height, later 2+2s to quote Mark 'look like they are on stilts"

I dialled up the damping, which is really a bodge as it needed slightly stiffer 
springs in my opinion (especially at the front)  The only other thing that is 
ideally needed in that setup is increased height bump stops at the rear as the 
tyres will actually touch the rear wheel arches in extreme circumstances.

I checked all angles at that height and everything was as close to ideal values 
as could be. If it was 2" higher it would certainly affect at least one of the 
front wheels' angles. I don't think rear is affected as solid axles.

Too much power?!  Naah. ;-). I'm really quite impressed at that engine, 
it's a regular 2.0 zetec with a decomp plate of 3mm. I bought the decomp plate 
but then decided to go the whole forged pistons route (sadly that was one of 
the many short lived engines in the car). The decomp plate + Mondeo 2.0 auto 
was a quick fix to get me to Ireland.

What mileage is it on now Bob?

M



On 12 Apr 2017, at 21:43, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
> wrote:

Matthew gave me a HUGE pile of receipts when I bought the car. I'm sure the GAZ 
set of dampers was around £450 from Burton Power.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On 12 Apr 2017, at 19:58, calum mcpherson 
> wrote:


Thanks for reply Jim,going to check what springs are on rear when removed , but 
want to upgrade shocks anyway to ensure they are operating properly (old one's 
do look well worn, though not leaking) , thinking gas ones rather than oil as 
fronts are gas struts, always used gas rather than air when upgrading.

So to clarify all I am doing is changing rear shocks at present , then will see 
how it all sits, and will leave in (if they are indeed there) the extenders 
till  I change rear springs (if I go for shorter ones).

Was out for a run with Bob Craig in his 2+2 at the weekend , quite a beast , 
well impressed with the whole package , particularly how solid and planted it 
all felt,the power was too much tbh for my needs though was very impressive.

I would settle for the ride and solid feel of Bob's tbh , although I do realise 
he has expensive Gaz adjustable struts & shocks fitted , sadly out of my budget.

Calum.



From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
> on 
behalf of Jim Hearne >
Sent: 12 April 2017 19:16:30
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

Don't remove the shock extender on the rear until (if) you fit shorter rear 
springs.
If you are just changing the shocks with the existing springs then swap the 
extender from the old shocks to the new.

Jim



On 12/04/2017 18:38, calum mcpherson wrote:
Decided to upgrade rear shocks (as looking a bit tired), fronts have been 
upgraded to Gas Struts and was thinking same for rear, looking at Kayaba Gas 
ones, as seem reasonable value for money.
I want to upgrade these to make sure all is fine, then will measure all springs 
and see where we are at. Managed to source a set of 'Quantum Red front springs 
(thanks to Bob Craig) which have been refurbed to go on front, will then look 
at rear.
I presume fitting the Gas type to rear wont cause any issue's with removing the 
shock extender ? (as recommended by Jim Hearne)

Thanks all for input.

Calum.

On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:52:01 UTC+1, calum mcpherson wrote:
I've recently changed my wheels 15" with 195-50-15 tyres to the correct set up 
14" with 185-55-14, and my 2+2 looks like a Land Rover.
I was going to change springs anyway, but now have brought this job forward as 
not looking as I want.
I understand that the manual states 'Quantum red springs' for front and Fiesta 
mk2 1100 springs for rear, however when looking at lowering springs, most seem 
to be a standardised Fiesta mk2 set up , most covering full range excluding XR2 


Anyone got any experience with lowering springs , any recommendations would be 
great .

Car has std. XR2 engine set-up, thanks.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2 + 2 hard top for sale

[Matthew Wastell]

Both fitted together in mine.
M


On 29 Sep 2016, at 17:01, Jim Hearne 
> wrote:

I’m sure it fits inside, i expect somebody else can confirm.

Jim


From: derekcl...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 4:43 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2 + 2 hard top for sale

Thanks for the info. Jim. I have the rollover bar fitted to the 2 +2.  We have 
rolled a car once in the past so keen on that. The bar should fit inside the 
hard top or is it not possible to fit both?

Regards

Derek

On 29 Sep 2016, at 14:44, Jim Hearne  wrote:

The Mk2 hardtop like this should be better than the Mk1 (textured) version.
But both will depend on the revision of the sealing you have around the 
hockeystick / quarterlight area, there were at least 3 different versions of 
this area.

The hard top hooks onto the same loops as the soft top at the front and has 
bolts (4 i think) through the body flange on the rear.

Jim


From: derekcl...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:24 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2 + 2 hard top for sale

Hi John

I could be interested. Any pics?  How have you found it with being watertight?  
And remind me how they fit on again.

Regards

Derek

On 29 Sep 2016, at 08:46, John Woodward  wrote:

Black 2+2 hardtop for sale, in fairly good condition, a few superficial 
scratches,heated rear window works OK.
Its the later type in smooth gelcoat.
Looking for £200 o.n.o.
Any interest before it goes on Ebay ?
Collection only from near Oxford
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Quantum 2+2 Soft and Hard Top

[Matthew Wastell]

I went via Glyn @ Kap (ex quantum guy), he put me in touch with the original 
maker who still had patterns. Can't remember how much it was but quality was 
good.

M



On 2 Sep 2016, at 19:18, Jim Hearne 
> wrote:

I don't think Quantum are contactable at the moment, not quite sure what the 
situation is with the company.

For the soft top any decent trimmer should be able to make a new top using the 
old one as a pattern.
They would reuse the frame and header rail.

Some of the other members should be able to recommend companies they have used.

Jim


On 02/09/2016 15:00, Brian Wisedale wrote:

I need to replace my soft top and would like to purchase a hard top as a winter 
alternative. Not had much luck finding out if I can get these as I don't know 
who and how to contact Quantum. Any leads would be much appreciated.





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RE: [-SPAM-] Re: [Quantum Owners] Adrian Flux - 11 Months Insurance?

[Matthew Wastell]

I know it’s not for everyone, but I highly recommend getting on the phone to 
them if you can.. Far too much is missed in emails / not understood by these 
customer service people, and it takes longer.
Other ‘tricks’ I’ll use, if they say they need to refer to a supervisor, tell 
them you’ll hang on, or perhaps you could speak to the supervisor.  If they 
cannot/wont, then ask at what time they will call you back.  Call them back if 
that deadline passes.  Repeat everything they commit to “to ensure I heard you 
right”.. The tone should be like “I’m sorry, can I just confirm this, I’m 
terrible at remembering stuff”..  Get a name of a person, and always ask to 
speak to them (saves having to go through the whole story over and over, and 
they’ll get bored of talking to you so want to simply resolve the issue)  it 
seems to work for me at least anyway… Unfortunately I’ve had rather  a lot of 
accidents (about 6 or 7), which comes with the territory doing 25k miles a year 
on a motorbike for many years… I got full payouts for accidents down to about 
3-4 weeks before I decided to give up two wheels!  I know this is loads of 
hassle, and it zaps your good spirits, but sometimes it is needed to get the 
deal you want.. After all (sorry to say this), but you aren’t important.. 
Getting rid of you and gassing about whatever the latest soap is much more 
interesting to some of these customer service people.

It’s a real shame you don’t have a valuation in writing, as this would be a lot 
easier I feel.  I’ve got to sympathise to some extent with the broker, I 
suspect this one stuck out a bit and they’ve had a quick look at ‘similar’ 
vehicles

What do other owners think - £4k valuation for a saloon, deal or no deal?

Matthew







From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 05 July 2016 23:16
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [-SPAM-] Re: [Quantum Owners] Adrian Flux - 11 Months Insurance?

Hi Matthew,
Thanks for the advice. I've sent them yet another email atating when I paid and 
asking when they are likely to resolve it - shall see what happens.
Martin
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From: Matthew Wastell<mailto:matt...@wastell.eu>
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:03 PM
Subject: [-SPAM-] Re: [Quantum Owners] Adrian Flux - 11 Months Insurance?

Ask them why it's taking so long Get them to commit to a date and spell out 
what you expect. Record the conversation, a smart phone has a built in recorder 
and most house phones have speakerphone mode if you have them.

Unless you know otherwise I doubt the underwriter gets involved day to day with 
the details, the brokers do most of the work, and hence they charge money for 
their service. The people you deal with on the phone or by email are the lowest 
paid of staff, often with little knowledge when new to the job. People 
generally don't last long in such roles as they move on or up. Ask to speak to 
a supervisor or senior team member with specific experience and calmly explain 
your predicament. Personally I find being slightly over friendly and cheerful 
whilst blaming myself in a jovial fashion tends to swing things in my favour 
but I'm always reasonable with my demands.

At the end of the day, there will be someone out there who will insure it for 
whatever value, but you will have to pay more most likely. You have to weigh up 
any offer they make whilst accepting some risk yourself to get a good premium.  
However try and speak to them and fingers crossed they will be able to quickly 
sort out a better deal.

All the best of luck,


On 5 Jul 2016, at 22:37, Susan and Martin Scott 
<susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk<mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>>
 wrote:
I didn't get Classiccar to value it as what would be the point? It's unlikely 
they would even know what a Quantum is. Andy said he has one of his cars on 
£14k agreed value. Unfortunaely for whatever reason (maybe ISP's don't tally?) 
I never seem to get a reply from Andy. I also thought 12k was high. All other 
Quanta are a lot older than mine, but yes, I thought more like 6k was the mark, 
or even the 8k of parts. I'd just like to know where I stand, as it's all up in 
the air - If they say they offer an agreed value policy and I've paid for it 
and sent everything they asked for, why are they stalling? They'll be 
complaining the computer has slowed it up next. Of the half dozen brokers I 
tried, they either didn't offer AV (generally because it isn't  a replica) or 
they went through KGM. I'm just irritated because it shouldn't be so much 
bother. The other thing that irritates me is they (AF) at Stoneleigh 3 years 
ago told me I live in one of the lowest risk areas, and my policy cost should 
be lower, but they have a minimum price - the next year the policy cost goes 
up, and 

RE: [Quantum Owners] Adrian Flux - 11 Months Insurance?

[Matthew Wastell]

Hi Martin,

What did classiccar.com value it at out of interest?  If they agreed with the 
£12k and it has been insured on that basis for a long time, perhaps ask AF to 
be explicit why there is suddenly a massive drop, when the value of Quantums 
has stayed relatively stable, and the donor cars have increased?

I got to admit, I find £12k for a saloon hard to imagine.. I realise the cost 
of XR2s are going up, however you can get an XR2 for about £2k for the whole 
lot (ok slightly stripped out track version, but has all the mechanicals and 
most interior bits), and saloon for under £1k.. If you double that you are 
still at only £6k to restore one to reasonable standard.  In general unless 
this is a very special Ferrari, I don’t think you’ll get much extra for Quantum 
sentimental value.  However, what do I know?  I’m not in a position to value a 
vehicle – if you have it in writing from a couple of sources then let’s go with 
them ☺

I wouldn’t even bother to add up the receipts I had for my 2+2, probably 
somewhere in the region of £25k+, I was happy with a £5 k valuation.. And there 
were some very very special parts on that including a one off hybrid engine.  I 
would always ensure I had salvage rights, generally you get to buy back what is 
left for 20% or similar.  So on your policy you’d get £3200, that could buy 
another shell and you swap all the bits over, plus a respray or similar and 
still have some pennies over for new bits.  OK none of this accounts for your 
time and effort, but that is such a hard one to call and almost impossible to 
value.  My Land Rover, all parts were covered at the retail cost, but nothing 
for labour.  So I got something like £2k for the Land Rover, £800 for the 
bumper, £900 for the winch, £500 for the tree sliders, and similar for the 
other bits n bobs totalling more than the actual vehicle itself was worth or 
cost.

Maybe flip this around – what if you had a total loss, would you expect to do?  
Would you ‘need’ 12k to buy something else, are any parts worth anything to 
you?  Would you build another or call it a day?

I don’t believe it is illegal to insure a car twice (may be wrong), I believe 
this is simply contract law, in that one of the stated terms is that if the 
liability is insured elsewhere then they will not be wholly liable for the 
loss.  Either way, you have the chance to cancel it and find something 
elsewhere.  If you have your classiccar valuation in writing, it’s probably 
worth a bit of ringing around to see if anyone will insure it on that basis 
elsewhere – I know it’s hassle, however may be worth 30 mins time here.  I’ve 
checked a couple of brokers for you, and it seems they want to use their own 
valuation service (perhaps for obvious reasons), of course that doesn’t mean 
all will, and I guess it’s going to be a pain getting a second valuation.

Other ideas – could be worth contacting some of the kit car mags to see if they 
have any suggested insurers or valuers.

Matthew






From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
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Sent: 05 July 2016 21:33
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Adrian Flux - 11 Months Insurance?

My car was the first 'valued' by the club, however I never had anything in 
writing. The valuation (verbally from Andy) was 12k. It was the last Quantum 
Saloon out of the moulds before they were cut up (hence it's nickname of 'Last 
Chance Saloon'). Most of the parts were new, all invoiced and amounting to 8k+, 
and the car was registered in 2009. I provided all the same info to AF that I 
provided to the club, but AF gave a 4k valuation, on the basis that 'you 
haven't restored the vehicle' I explained to them that it was built to as new 
condition and register in 2009 (this was IIRC 2012), and the car had done less 
than 5kmiles. They just didn't appreciate I had restored it when I built it, 
and said if I wanted a valuation to go to Classiccar.com. Reluctantly (as I had 
already got the policy) I agreed. Each year since I've paid the extra £15, and 
sent the hotos and it's come back. This year they seem to be stalling. As I 
said in my original note, I'm a bit stuck anyway, as it seems the Insurance co 
(KGM) is where the other brokers go through anyway. I think I'll eventually get 
so fed up with this rigmoral that I'll just sell off all the parts to someone 
wanting to build a top-spec Fiesta, and bin the bodyshell.
Martin

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Adrian Flux - 11 Months Insurance?

[Matthew Wastell]

Hi Susan and Martin Scott,

For the marketing, when you call in the IVR states you need to tell them if you 
don’t want marketing information… Just tell them when you call and they should 
remove you.  Personally I find it irritating that you need to tell them as it 
can be easily missed – however this is how they make money through marketing 
more services.

Tyres won’t make any difference to a value overall*, much like the petrol in 
the tank won’t make any difference either.  If you share the details of the 
valuation and why you aren’t happy maybe we can add some more constructive 
comments, however in general this is a negotiation for the two of you, same as 
any other legal contract.  If you don’t like their offer, cancel and go 
elsewhere.  You need to be clear on the terms of your agreement when you signed 
up – was the contract to take an agreed valuation ‘subject to a mutually agreed 
value’ or was it more that they would dictate this later on?  The former gives 
you cancellation rights without penalty, the latter potentially not.

If they have made promises that they haven’t kept, give them a call and ask to 
speak to someone to make a complaint, tell them that if they are unable or 
unwilling to support you, you will go to the ombudsman.  I would also be 
tempted to record the call (tell them you will be doing so).  They will 
generally take threats of ombudsman very seriously as there are some super 
strict rules in the turnaround times and how they must treat you (at least in 
my bit of the industry that involves the ombudsman).

*They may do say on an off-roader where you had changed from standard 20+” to 
30” boggers or similar.

Personally I’ve never had any issue with AF, even claimed through them, got the 
full value of my ‘rover, and every single mod and extra bolted on to it – kept 
salvage and made a profit too.

Matthew





From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 04 July 2016 22:45
To: Andy Heaton; quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Adrian Flux - 11 Months Insurance?

Andy,
I've copied this note to the group because a) It may be beneficial to others b) 
my notes never seem to get to you by your personal email.

My insurance came up for renewal on 10th June, and despite trying alternatives 
I was left in a quandry Let me explain
I could get the insurance for slightly cheaper elsewhere (ie another broker) , 
but it was through the same insurance syndicate KGM, which I am led to believe 
has strong connections with Flux (ie the Lloyd syndicate are AF directors). 
Anyway whatever the syndicate make-up, it would mean to get the agreed value I 
would have to send off all the invoices and info (as Andy is aware this is a 
lot of paperwork) in order for the existing company to consider the agreed 
value. Long story (which I won't go into)  but as Andy is aware I'm not happy 
with the valuation anyway, and he knows why. Having renewed (1 week early on 
Friday 3rd June, as AF said they would take payment automatically on 6th 
anyway!) I took the necessary photos, filled out the forms and sent off the 
paperwork on 14th June . To avoid any potential problems, rather than asking 
for an increase in value (due to old Ford prices rocketing, and having fitted 
£260 worth of new tyres), I kept the value the same (bear in mind I've done 
less than 20k miles in 7 years). All I've had from them (despite requesting) is 
2 notes saying my car is on market value insurance and the paperwork is with 
the Agreed Value dept. So do I get a full years insuranceOh, and of 
course I get their weekly marketing rubbish emails every Friday.
Andy, you said at the AGM that you would support members with insurance matters 
- Can you help at all? I'm beginning to think their next move is to reduce the 
agreed value, and if I don't agree I can cancel and lose the whole policy (as 
it's over 14 days cooling off period). I can't also get another insurance (in 
addition) because it would end up with the same syndicate and it's illegal to 
insure a car twice I understand, so basically they are running a cartel.
Lets face it the Agreed Value doesn't stand up to scrutiny, because they 
probably know very little about kit cars, seem to care even less, and it's only 
an additional insurance which we pay an extra £15 fo each year and they 
probably re-insure the risk - just like a "protected no claims" which is just 
an additional premium to offset the risk. I imagine (and hope it never happens) 
that in the event of a total loss they would find any little loophole to 
wriggle out.
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Light Burned Out?

[Matthew Wastell]

The other thing to add… Don’t forget to clean your 2+2 lights when washing the 
car.. Having those flaps one tends to forget them.

M

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Sent: 02 July 2016 21:18
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Light Burned Out?


Yes, i use the Phillips +100% as well.
Jim
On 02/07/2016 21:15, Matthew Wastell wrote:
Have a look at the autoexpress tests of car bulbs…
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/89121/philips-x-tremevision

When I had filaments last time I went for Philipps +100%.  They certainly 
appeared to be very good.

M




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[Quantum Owners] Adrian Flux

[Matthew Wastell]

Just wanted to type up a quick note about Adrian Flux..  Well technically 
Bikesure, but that's just one of their brand names.  I've seen the odd bad 
press about insurance brokers here before, so wanted to post a positive one.

Was about to go out on my quad the other day, when I realised my insurance cert 
had lapsed.  So bought a policy through them on-line.  All good

Next working day I got a note to give them a call, which I did, they pointed 
out I may have missed a mod (they had it insured the previous year and noticed 
the difference)... They changed the policy for me, no fee, no fuss.

A week later I realised that I did have insurance in place - it had in fact 
auto renewed, I'd just been daft and forgotten / not printed off the new cert.  
One call later and everything was cancelled and refunded 100%, again no fee or 
fuss.

Just wanted to mention this, as I used to insure my Quantum with them and also 
had previous good service.  The only negative I suppose is that I wished they'd 
notice that I had two policies on the same vehicle, however can't blame them 
too much for me being stupid!

M


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RE: [Quantum Owners] Light Burned Out?

[Matthew Wastell]

Have a look at the autoexpress tests of car bulbs…
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/89121/philips-x-tremevision

When I had filaments last time I went for Philipps +100%.  They certainly 
appeared to be very good.

M




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Sent: 02 July 2016 21:11
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I would be very surprised if any of those type of LED bulbs are any good.
Jim
On 02/07/2016 19:02, SMIDG3T wrote:

Thanks for all your replies. I've ordered two H4 connectors and am looking at 
new bulbs too. I've found some H4 LED one's, will they be okay?



https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282002857140



Thanks.





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Re: [Quantum Owners] Fuelling - A lucky escape?

[Matthew Wastell]

I had similar on polo, (would stall under full power sometimes and then need a 
minute before it would restart). Fixed by installing a fuel filter and cleaning 
out the carb. When I had the problem though it made no difference if the tank 
was full or near empty.   So it seems only issues of you don't have a fuel 
filter then?

M



On 13 Mar 2016, at 15:52, Jim Hearne 
<j...@quantums.info<mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote:

On Hillman Imps, most certainly.
I think newer cars (80's onwards) tend to have a filter over the pickup pipe in 
the tank which helps a lot.

Having said that a Friends Mk3 Escort would cut out every time he tried to 
accelerate as there was so much rubbish in the inline fuel filter that when the 
fuel demand was high it blocked the filter off, when you lifted off again it 
all fell down to the bottom of the filter.

Somebody told me that Ford allow for a range of 50 miles after the gauge reads 
empty.

Jim



On 13/03/2016 10:24, Matthew Wastell wrote:
I've heard this said a million times, however has anyone actually had an issue 
running the tank very low or empty?

My wife often used to challenge the gauge and on board computer in several 
Volkswagen diesels, often exceeding the 0 range by significant double figure 
miles (never actually ran out though). And another girl in an old carbed escort 
or Orion ran out with me on board, luckily we were just heading downhill with 
the petrol station at the bottom. She had done it several times and no known 
issues.

M



On 12 Mar 2016, at 13:46, 'Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group 
<quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Running low on fuel would be a good way of making sure any dirt or debris in 
the tank go into the fuel line. Filling up the tank  might well disperse the 
debris throughout the tank.


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Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2016 10:46 pm
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Fuelling - A lucky escape?

Fuel gauge dropping into the red, so I stopped at small petrol garage en-route 
to Norwich. I just put in 15L, and continued on my way, to find 4 miles later 
the Q wasn't running well and kept cutting out at low revs. Several restarts 
and on my journey home I again called in the petrol garage to report the 
situation, where I was told they'd had no other 'complaints' but they'd had a 
delivery yesterday! Hmm. We'll wait and see. Continuing on homewards it was bad 
all the way until the local Sainsburys where I brimmed the tank. 3 Miles 
further on when I reached home the car was running fine. So it looks like there 
was a poor fuel, the effects 'diluted' by adding the good fuel? Thankfully I 
hadn't filled the tank at the first station. Maybe a 'tip' to never fill fully 
from one station just in case?
It reminded me of when 'Formula Shell' was sold with masses of publicity in the 
80's and I put some in my Morris Marina (don't laugh) to find 2 miles on it 
pinked like mad at low speed/high load. Again, by flooding the tank with Esso 
fuel all was ok. Shell paid out 10's of £000's to owners of Vauxhall cars with 
ruined engines, and 'Formula Shell' was deemed a poor marketing move.
Martin
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Black Top Zetec Breathing

[Matthew Wastell]

I might be thick, but I don't remember   A sump breather, only crankcase. 
(Pressed steel thing on the exhaust side). Got a pic?

So long as you have one end of the system plumbed in to the air intake it 
should be fine. I'd put some kind of oil catch in the path too personally 
though. 

M



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> breather?
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Black Top Zetec Breathing

[Matthew Wastell]

Personally I wouldn't directly vent to atmosphere as may get oil residue around 
the vent, even those aftermarket tanks - I've often noticed oil residue (maybe 
only on turbos though). On 'my' turbo Zetec I ran the breathers through a small 
air compressor line catch tank thingy and it caught every drop - I was actually 
surprised that it worked so well.

Question is - why do you want to join them anyway?

M

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Thanks Ian.

I was having computer issues in the garage so wasn't able to properly research. 
 Now I've sat down with a beer seen that as you've said the original thought 
would build pressure, so need to add a vent to atmosphere into the system.

Need a couple more bits then hopefully this will be a TKC mag feature .

Regards,
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On 5 March 2016 5:33:40 pm Ian Harrison 
> wrote:

As long as you are venting to atmosphere somewhere so you don't build pressure, 
I'd have thought you'd be ok.

Through the cam breather?

On Saturday, 5 March 2016, Steve Kod? 
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Anyone see issues if I was to connect the sump breather into the crankcase 
breather?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] MPG

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Be interested to hear what Rob is getting from the 2.0 Zetec turbo. I've had 
20ish when going on lots of fast short journeys, and over 40 on the Ireland 
tour.

MPG is so variable on driving style. However you carb boys are already at a 
disadvantage economy wise. Either way a smooth driving style with little 
braking and no harsh full throttle acceleration will net higher mpg (kinda 
obvious). From my 3 litre petrol 320bhp everyday car I can get mid 20s around 
town and racing away from lights. My best commute (35 miles) being ridiculously 
careful I got  48.9 mpg. Normal daily average on commute is 39 (5 miles town, 
lights and roundabouts, 30 miles stop start motorway) Not bad for a car that on 
paper gets 37 mpg.   Point being without lab conditions it's pretty hard to 
compare one car with another when there is a different driver at the wheel.

M



On 1 Mar 2016, at 10:48, 'Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group 
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If the weight of an engine makes so much difference it might be interesting to 
know how much difference it makes when Jon drives with and without a passenger 
(adhering to the same limits as he would have done with the trailer).

Using a well known diesel powered estate car I towed an aerodynamically styled 
enclosed box trailer containing a table and six chairs on a 200 mile trip.
The contents which were carried on one leg of the journey, seemed to make no 
difference but the trailer increased the fuel consumption by about 40%.


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Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2016 10:30 am
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] MPG

I have to add I use the limit.to the limit in as much as 60 MPH 
whenever possible and acceleration is let the engine spin on a light pedal.
My turbo 2+2 struggles to better 30 mpg but then again that woosh of power is 
corruptive!
Cheers
Jon


On Tuesday, 1 March 2016, 9:31, Chris Young 
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on the carbs mine was 12-15!  now on the ITBs I get about 25, even pushing on 
fairly quickly.. but it is a v8 :-)



On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 at 09:26 Jim Hearne 
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Mine was around 20mpg but it’s not quite the same spec

Jim
From: 'jonathan jackson' via Quantum Owners 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 8:56 AM
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: [Quantum Owners] MPG

Well I had to get a 2 Litre Triumph engine transported 180 miles and my only 
tool was my Quantum 2+2 and a 5ft x 3ft trailer that had no cover on it, hence 
an aerodynamic brick!
I brimmed the tank and sat nav and speedo were used to find out what my 
standard Weber carb XR2 engined Quantum got to the gallon. Wow 37 mpg dragging 
engine up and a staggering 43 mpg on return journey still with the trailer and 
no cover but empty.
What mpg do others on here get?
Cheers
Jon
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Fuel Gauge Stuck at Top

[Matthew Wastell]

Mine wouldn't move for the first 40 miles driving at normal road speeds then 
dive quite rapidly especially as I would almost brim the tank.

Best thing to do is to fill up, reset the trip and see what happens around 100 
miles. Mine could  be showing 3/4 at that point. If you are super paranoid put 
a 5 or 10 litre petrol can (full) in the boot.

On 7 Jan 2016, at 21:35, Jim Hearne 
> wrote:

A lot of cars do quite few miles before the gauge starts dropping from max.

If the sender is sticking then when the tank gets below a certain level it may 
suddenly jump down.

If it still stays at max even when it must be pretty empty then it's possible 
that the sender wire has shorted out to the tank.
Though i would expect the gauge not to move at all if that was the case.

Jim


On 06/01/2016 20:30, SMIDG3T wrote:

Hi.

So I've done just over 40 miles and the needle hasn't moved one bit. It'll move 
ever so slightly when going up or downhill however.

By 40 miles, normally, it'd of definitely moved a little.

Any ideas?

Thanks.





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[Quantum Owners] Mighty car mods

[Matthew Wastell]

In case you haven't heard of it or seen it, I thought I'd share something I've 
been watching on YouTube for the last while

Mighty Car Mods
https://www.youtube.com/user/mightycarmods

It's an Australian duo who do some mad things to their cars. Very interesting 
especially the series on building an 11 second sleeper called gramps (an old 
Subaru station wagon). They also supercharge and 'old' a series mini.

Reminds me a lot of the stuff that Jim and I did to my old quantum.

Let us know if you like it.

M


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: New Coilovers for 2+2

[Matthew Wastell]

Wow, what a difference. Looks fantastic to me. Mark (forget) surname was the 
one that coined 'on stilts' look. You can really see it in the first pics. 
Certainly not my taste, but do appreciate others prefer the higher setup (ie 
just my opinion)


What's your chassis number Mark?  I'm guessing you have the later setup -30mm I 
don't think would fit in the early cars.

The benefit of coil overs is standard size springs that can be easily bought 
off the shelf, so fiddling around with Spring rates at the start in theory at 
least is easier I'm lead to believe.

The back does look a bit low, but around the same as my old one. Was only ever 
a problem with a full boot of luggage and tool kit when we went to Ireland. I 
should have extended the bump stops really as the tyres could just foul in some 
cases. I'm not sure if that was due to the bumps not being designed properly or 
slightly bigger tyres.

It might be worth weighing each corner to see if you want to raise the rear or 
if you'd also need to raise the front too, if you did decide to change it 
further.

Northampton motor sport were good at this kind of stuff if you happen to be 
near them.

@Bob, I think I have a spare set of polly bushes in the garage if you want 
them?  I changed them to see if it would help the torque steer, but made no 
difference. They have about 5-10k miles on only.

M



On 29 Dec 2015, at 20:32, Mark > 
wrote:

I went though all the different options available & asked many questions.

The thing with adjustable coilovers is that once you have set them up you'll 
prob never change them again, unless you use on a track.

The Quantum springs that people mention aren't really an option unless someone 
is selling 2nd hand. You may even have these on the car.

I eventually took the gamble & got the Spax VSX kit this lowers 30mm over the 
standard XR2. As I'm not sure on the suspension set-up on my car this seems to 
be greater than the 30mm. See pictures. Its a great set-up for smooth roads, 
but a bit harsh for general use. (also have flo-flex bushes) I'm going to look 
into getting some standard Xr2 rear springs.

Hope this is of use

Mark

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Re: [Quantum Owners] New Coilovers for 2+2

[Matthew Wastell]

Ooops, the scissor jack that fits is in the corner of my garage!

It was standard xr2 rear and quantum red at the front.  The 2+2 is similar  
weight as an xr2 so in theory xr2 springs should work.

For me it definitely needed stiffer springs, the dampers were wound up to 
compensate, which in an ideal world is wrong.

Early 2+2 had higher spring damper points and to achieve the 'on stilts look' 
had I think a 2" extension piece. Mine just had standard length everything and 
was an early chassis.   That's actually a bit of a pain as most of the off the 
shelf stuff for an xr2 also gives a drop so won't fit. Later 2+2 had shorter 
Whatnots. At least that is what we seem to have figured out through various 
posts and discussions over the years.

Preference on what was best to fit tended to align with age, under 40:= stiff 
as possible, over 40 = soft and comfortable.  Your preference may vary of 
course.

Rough starting point would be for soft go quantum springs with first dampers, 
harder xr2 all around, stiff with some damper adjustment gaz standard length 
with xr2 springs, fully customidable proper oilovers (the latter be careful to 
get standard height xr2 else you'll be scrapping the road)

On 28 Dec 2015 18:21, Robert Craig <bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> His is a question that comes up fairly regularly. Indeed, I asked it myself a 
> few years back. However, there is no definitive answer as there are so many 
> variables to consider. My first 2+2 ended up with standard XR2 front struts 
> and springs and 1100 Fiesta rear shocks and springs. I found that set up was 
> great with some sticky tyres and did many spirited runs. It did ground out on 
> occasions over bumpy roads when pushing on but was very comfortable when 
> driving "normally" . John Deverson has that car now and he would confirm that 
> it handles like a go kart.
> My present 2+2 (ex Matthew Wastell car - I think it will always be known as 
> that) has Gaz adjustable dampers. It originally had Quantum red springs on 
> the front and I believe possibly -20mm springs on the rear. The car looked 
> mean and handled good but was too low to get a standard trolley or scissor 
> jack under and the front dampers would bottom out with an unnerving thud. I 
> messed about with different springs and again settled on XR2 front and 1100 
> rear. It sits higher but still handles well although with the added weight of 
> the turbo, charge cooler, oil cooler and LSD I think it could do with higher 
> poundage springs on the front for spirited driving. 
> Like I say, so many variables to consider.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 28 Dec 2015, at 16:41, Jim Hearne <j...@quantums.info> wrote:
>
>> I have Gaz coilovers on my 2+2
>> The first thing to note is that they are only coilovers on the front, the 
>> rear still uses separate springs and shocks.
>>
>> The 2nd thing is it will be very low, even at the highest setting.
>> Mine is a nightmare on speedbumps or even uneven road surfaces.
>> I ended up winding the front coilovers up to max ride height and i just used 
>> standard XR2 springs on the rear, the GAZ ones were way too low.
>>
>> I notice they do offer to customise the setup to your requirements so it 
>> would be worth trying to get a higher ride height if you can.
>> What setup is on your 2+2 at the moment ?
>> Even the standard XR2 setup is often considered too low on the 2+2
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On 28/12/2015 12:03, SMIDG3T wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all. Hope you had a great Christmas. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've wanted to buy some coilovers for a while now and got some money at 
>>> Christmas so I thought now is a good time to start looking around and 
>>> asking on forums, hence this post.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have any recommendations? I've found a set of Gaz, are they any 
>>> good? Here's the link:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.gazcoilovers.com/ford-c-9/fiesta-c-9_142/fiesta-mk12-c-9_142_143/ford-fiesta-mk-12-gaz-coilover-kit-p-18.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These would be for normal road use, no track days or anything like that. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Quantum Owners] New Coilovers for 2+2

[Matthew Wastell]

When I weighed my 2+2 with standard zetec motor, no carpets or sound deadening, 
but with stereo fitted it was 880Kgs.  I used the weighbridge at a major 
breakers. I don't know the xr2 weight as internet claims very from c8-900 Kg.  
My theory therefore was that anything for the xr2 should be the place to start.

I've a feeling the 2+2 is more nose heavy than the Fiesta.

I did all angles too and they were close to ideal, although rear could have 
benefitted from some camber I recall (needs special angled plates adding I 
recall)

On 28 Dec 2015 16:37, Susan and Martin Scott 
 wrote:
>
> It depends what you are trying to achieve - ie what is "better"?  In short, 
> without trying different spring/damper combinations it may well be very 
> difficult to decide, and you MAY come to the conclusion (after you have 
> fitted units such as these) that it was a waste of cash! Please note that on 
> the rear axle you won't get 'coilovers' but will get separate coils and 
> springs, just like the usual setup, that's not to say they are 'worse' than 
> coilovers, and you do get the added ability to adjust the settings on the 
> dampers.  I add that I've not used adjustable coilovers myself, but from 
> what I've heard most users of this type of damper end up putting them on the 
> lowest damping setting, particularly if the car is light (which the Q is). 
> Suspension is a complex thing, and there are many views on what is "better" 
> (even for the same application) and many people try to sell components 
> saying they will give "better handling" whilst other knowledgeable folk will 
> say they aren't suitable for the road. As an example, I recall with my Calvy 
> Mitchel many years ago when I first built it I used MGB GT springs, and 
> after a while I fitted slightly longer, but softer springs and the handling 
> was transformed... there was more roll when cornering and (to me anyway) 
> it felt a lot better, and also a more comfortable ride. Someone else fitted 
> an anti-roll bar to his and transformed it so it only wanted to go straight 
> on in corners (no body roll though smiley face). So consider very carefully 
> before parting with your Christmas cash.
> Martin
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "SMIDG3T" 
> To: "Quantum Owners Group" 
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:03 PM
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] New Coilovers for 2+2
>
>
> Hi all. Hope you had a great Christmas.
>
> I've wanted to buy some coilovers for a while now and got some money at 
> Christmas so I thought now is a good time to start looking around and asking 
> on forums, hence this post.
>
> Do you have any recommendations? I've found a set of Gaz, are they any good? 
> Here's the link:
>
> http://www.gazcoilovers.com/ford-c-9/fiesta-c-9_142/fiesta-mk12-c-9_142_143/ford-fiesta-mk-12-gaz-coilover-kit-p-18.html
>
> These would be for normal road use, no track days or anything like that.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] New Coilovers for 2+2

[Matthew Wastell]

Jim's is/was lower than mine!!

On 28 Dec 2015 16:41, Jim Hearne  wrote:
>
> I have Gaz coilovers on my 2+2
> The first thing to note is that they are only coilovers on the front, the 
> rear still uses separate springs and shocks.
>
> The 2nd thing is it will be very low, even at the highest setting.
> Mine is a nightmare on speedbumps or even uneven road surfaces.
> I ended up winding the front coilovers up to max ride height and i just used 
> standard XR2 springs on the rear, the GAZ ones were way too low.
>
> I notice they do offer to customise the setup to your requirements so it 
> would be worth trying to get a higher ride height if you can.
> What setup is on your 2+2 at the moment ?
> Even the standard XR2 setup is often considered too low on the 2+2
>
> Jim
>
>
> On 28/12/2015 12:03, SMIDG3T wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. Hope you had a great Christmas. 
>>
>>
>>
>> I've wanted to buy some coilovers for a while now and got some money at 
>> Christmas so I thought now is a good time to start looking around and asking 
>> on forums, hence this post.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have any recommendations? I've found a set of Gaz, are they any good? 
>> Here's the link:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.gazcoilovers.com/ford-c-9/fiesta-c-9_142/fiesta-mk12-c-9_142_143/ford-fiesta-mk-12-gaz-coilover-kit-p-18.html
>>
>>
>>
>> These would be for normal road use, no track days or anything like that. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

[Matthew Wastell]

Thanks for that explanation, always good to understand. Have you seen if there 
are any megasquirt programmers available on smart phone?  Would be more 
convenient to have that in your pocket than carrying a laptop just in case. The 
other option would be a USB stick and hope for a friendly recovery driver with 
a laptop. It must be nearly 15k miles since it last happened, so hoping this 
won't happen again. 

As to mine, the passenger seat always feels faster as you aren't in control and 
have less to hang on to ;-). On another forum one person suggested the best 
modification to be made was to the driver. He suggested a couple of driving 
courses that are bespoke tailored both on and off track, which I'm hoping to 
get for my 40th next year. 

M



> On 17 Nov 2015, at 09:43, Jim Hearne <j...@quantums.info> wrote:
> 
> It's actually quite hard to corrupt the firmware in a microprocessor, you 
> have to do a certain sequence of instructions to even get to the stage where 
> you can write to the EEPROM in that that contains the firmware.
> It's more likely to be an obscure bug in the megasquirt code than an actual 
> hardware problem.
> 
> I think i'm getting old as the 320bhp in your daily driver certainly felt 
> fast enough to me when i was in it recently !!
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Matthew Wastell
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:35 PM
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec
> 
> Yay!  At least it's had less firmware updates than replacement engines.. 
> However the majority of those just weren't powerful enough rather than 
> breaking them.  ;-)  Keep the laptop in the car on the longer runs just in 
> case.  It may be worth popping the case on the ECU and seeing if there is 
> anything loose.
> 
> Now the big question - do I start modifying my daily driver?  320 BHP is 
> starting to be "not enough"  ;-)  ( I do have nearly twice the weight of the 
> quantum, so I'm not quite as fast as F619 ...
> 
> Good result,
> M
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Bob Craig
> Sent: 15 November 2015 13:10
> To: Quantum Owners Group
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec
> 
> A massive thanks to Jim and Matthew for their assistance with this problem. 
> Had to run a 15 metre network cable to the garage to allow Jim to log in and 
> carry out a firmware update on the megasquirt ECU which looks to have sorted 
> the misfire. All functions on Megatune are now working. Isn't technology 
> great sometimes.
> Need to do a road test to try it out but heavy rain and flooding don't really 
> mix with a turbocharged open top car, so the road test will have to wait for 
> now.
> 
> Bob
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

[Matthew Wastell]

Yay!  At least it's had less firmware updates than replacement engines.. 
However the majority of those just weren't powerful enough rather than breaking 
them.  ;-)  Keep the laptop in the car on the longer runs just in case.  It may 
be worth popping the case on the ECU and seeing if there is anything loose.

Now the big question - do I start modifying my daily driver?  320 BHP is 
starting to be "not enough"  ;-)  ( I do have nearly twice the weight of the 
quantum, so I'm not quite as fast as F619 ...

Good result,
M




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Behalf Of Bob Craig
Sent: 15 November 2015 13:10
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

A massive thanks to Jim and Matthew for their assistance with this problem. Had 
to run a 15 metre network cable to the garage to allow Jim to log in and carry 
out a firmware update on the megasquirt ECU which looks to have sorted the 
misfire. All functions on Megatune are now working. Isn't technology great 
sometimes.
Need to do a road test to try it out but heavy rain and flooding don't really 
mix with a turbocharged open top car, so the road test will have to wait for 
now. 

Bob

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

[Matthew Wastell]

I don't know if the 'squirt add to the 10 degrees or simply recognises it - 
looking at my last tables...  1500 rpm 75 kpa is 25 degress.  (which is about 
where Bob's log  is).  Normal idle would be about 900 rpm, 40-50 kpa and would 
be 13 degrees.

Yes the fuel rail has the Schrader valve on it.


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From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 08 November 2015 09:00
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

if all 4 new plugs were sooty then they all must have been firing ,other wise 
they would be clean and wet.
If the EDIS module was running in limit home mode (not getting a timing signal 
from Ecu) then it runs fixed timing (10 degrees i think) but it should still 
idle.

Did the fuel rail have the pressure measuring valve on it Matthew ?, some 
Zetec's did and some didn't.

Jim


On 08/11/2015 08:06, Matthew Wastell wrote:
> Faulty lambda should not cause that I think, the correction is maximum 20% 
> even so it would be trying to lean it at that point anyway, not richen it.
>
> Will rack my brains later. However do the map reload anyway in the mean time.
>
> I'm erring towards ignition if not the ecu.
>
> M
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 7 Nov 2015, at 22:31, Bob Craig <bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Latest update.
>> Compressions are all equal at 115psi which I'm assuming is ok with the 
>> decompression plate. When I took the new plugs out to do the test they were 
>> very sooted up after running the engine whil watching the Megatune. Megatune 
>> was showing AFR of around 10,  so very rich. Could a faulty lambda cause 
>> this. I've read how to test the lambda out of the car using a blow torch and 
>> voltmeter but it seems the 5 wire wide band ones are harder to test - anyone 
>> tried it ?
>>
>> It won't boost up to positive, just goes to 0 then backfires. Turbo issue 
>> maybe?
>>
>> Bob
>>
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

[Matthew Wastell]

There are too many numbers on the log that are different for me - a lot of them 
are generated from 'made up' constants.  The tuner may have changed some of 
those base constants.  Would suggest loading my last map so we can compare 
apples with apples.


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From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
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Sent: 08 November 2015 20:47
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

I've emailed you both the one of Matthews later log files together with the pre 
RR map, post RR map and the saved map from the ECU today. Assuming I did it 
correctly, I uploaded the saved  RR map to the ECU and tried running it but it 
made no difference. As the car has ran for over a year on that map, it should 
be ok, so from a software point of view we should be ok but clearly the log 
file is showing some concerns, so there must be a hardware or component fault. 
The problem is finding it

Bob

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

[Matthew Wastell]

The MAP also looks a bit high to me... Have found the latest logged run I did, 
yours is at 89, mine for similar RPM was in the 50-60s.  Unless you were under 
load then it shouldn't be that high.. The higher the MAP, the more fuel it will 
inject, which kind of explains the sooted up plugs.. but why is it that high?

Duty cycle of zero is not right, however I'm having trouble finding a more 
recent log with the bigger injectors.

Have you reloaded a good map?

I'll send you some screenshots and one of my more recent logs directly, and in 
the mean time fire up my laptop to see if I can find anything saved there 
(however did have a hard drive crash not sure if there is anything on it.)

M

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From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 08 November 2015 15:26
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

I've spent some time comparing the log with the newest one i had from Matthew 
(2006), and the only thing that i can spot that looks strange are that the 
injector duty cycle readings are all 0 There should be a reading in there, i 
can't compare the reading directly with the log i have as that was before we 
fitted the big injectors but it should be a few percent.

The ignition timing map was fairly constant at low engine speeds and loads so 
it's possible that would stay at 13.9 for the run you did for the log.

Hmm, Gve (Gamma volumetric efficiency) seems to be stuck at 255, this is looked 
up from a table for the fuelling.
It doesn't sound right.

Can you download the current map and send it to me ?
And it would be worth trying to reprogram it with the last map you have saved 
on the PC

Jim


On 08/11/2015 12:18, Robert Craig wrote:
> Lots of info there to be looking at. Yes, happy that it's not head gasket. 
> Looks like I may have been getting ahead of myself instead of looking at 
> basic data. I did a short log. So I'll check it when I get a chance. It's on 
> my old laptop. I'll email it to you. If I remember correctly the ignition was 
> at 13 degrees but didn't change.
>
> Thanks again guys for the guidance, much appreciated.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 8 Nov 2015, at 09:00, Jim Hearne <j...@quantums.info> wrote:
>>
>> if all 4 new plugs were sooty then they all must have been firing ,other 
>> wise they would be clean and wet.
>> If the EDIS module was running in limit home mode (not getting a timing 
>> signal from Ecu) then it runs fixed timing (10 degrees i think) but it 
>> should still idle.
>>
>> Did the fuel rail have the pressure measuring valve on it Matthew ?, some 
>> Zetec's did and some didn't.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>> On 08/11/2015 08:06, Matthew Wastell wrote:
>>> Faulty lambda should not cause that I think, the correction is maximum 20% 
>>> even so it would be trying to lean it at that point anyway, not richen it.
>>>
>>> Will rack my brains later. However do the map reload anyway in the mean 
>>> time.
>>>
>>> I'm erring towards ignition if not the ecu.
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7 Nov 2015, at 22:31, Bob Craig <bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Latest update.
>>>> Compressions are all equal at 115psi which I'm assuming is ok with the 
>>>> decompression plate. When I took the new plugs out to do the test they 
>>>> were very sooted up after running the engine whil watching the Megatune. 
>>>> Megatune was showing AFR of around 10,  so very rich. Could a faulty 
>>>> lambda cause this. I've read how to test the lambda out of the car using a 
>>>> blow torch and voltmeter but it seems the 5 wire wide band ones are harder 
>>>> to test - anyone tried it ?
>>>>
>>>> It won't boost up to positive, just goes to 0 then backfires. Turbo issue 
>>>> maybe?
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

[Matthew Wastell]

Faulty lambda should not cause that I think, the correction is maximum 20% even 
so it would be trying to lean it at that point anyway, not richen it. 

Will rack my brains later. However do the map reload anyway in the mean time. 

I'm erring towards ignition if not the ecu. 

M





> On 7 Nov 2015, at 22:31, Bob Craig  wrote:
> 
> Latest update.
> Compressions are all equal at 115psi which I'm assuming is ok with the 
> decompression plate. When I took the new plugs out to do the test they were 
> very sooted up after running the engine whil watching the Megatune. Megatune 
> was showing AFR of around 10,  so very rich. Could a faulty lambda cause 
> this. I've read how to test the lambda out of the car using a blow torch and 
> voltmeter but it seems the 5 wire wide band ones are harder to test - anyone 
> tried it ?
> 
> It won't boost up to positive, just goes to 0 then backfires. Turbo issue 
> maybe?
> 
> Bob
> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

[Matthew Wastell]

Fingers crossed its the coil pack then. It was never new anyway (as far as I 
recall). Probably off either the rs1800, the Monndeo or even Jim's parts bin. 

It's not a big valve head by the way, standard valves but with a bit of porting 
by Dave @ puma racing. It was one of the first he did and he didn't seem keen 
to play with valves at the time. There was a second standard valve design 
released a couple of years at that point and there was a lot of umming and 
ahhing about which he wanted to experiment with. I think he generally 
experimented on his own engines first. Either way that's about the five 
different engine bit that makes the engine. 

Inlet, custom home designed with blue sampco hoses, Alu tube, K vortex, 
RS1800 inlet manifold
RS1800 spacer, modified by me
Mondeo #1 rocket cover + head modified by David
Nissan S16 200SX injectors
Mondeo #2 bottom end
RS Focus turbo oil pan and pickup modified by Jim, exhaust manifold and turbo
Fiesta XR2 plumbing, modified by Jim and Matthew
Gearbox ford something else with Jim's addition of
LSD from another ford I forget, and output shaft modification

I've not counted the total different engines/cars that's used to make that up!

Matthew






> On 29 Oct 2015, at 22:10, Robert Craig <bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> That's great info Matthew, thanks for taking the time to write it all. I 
> think I'll print it out and put it in the very large file you gave me. 
> 
> The map looks ok. I compared some values with the saved file from the Sitec 
> RR session to the ECU. It happened when I switched to high boost. Was just 
> building speed gradually in first and second as it was damp. Wasn't yet on 
> positive boost when it lost power and farted. No mechanical noises to suggest 
> engine component failure.
> 
> The engine starts but won't idle. Have to hold the revs about 1500 but it's 
> rough so could be on two cylinders. If I try to rev it it backfires and won't 
> go above about 3K ish. The duty cycle gauge shows  0 but all other gauges are 
> registering. 
> 
> Plugs are high quality iridium, slightly sooted. Haven't measured gaps but 
> will do that at the weekend.. 
> We have a couple of ex Ford technicians in work. They are not familiar with 
> Megasquirt but know the rest of the system well and initial consensus from 
> them is a coil pack issue. I'll get a coil pack tomorrow as we have a trade 
> account with Dingbro it won't be expensive. Even if it's not that, I'll keep 
> it as a spare. I'll let you know how I get on. I'm looking at this as a 
> learning exercise. I've done around 5000 miles ( including sprint and track 
> days) and been pretty much trouble free, so there had to be a problem at some 
> point. Ironic that we were chatting about it last week.
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 29 Oct 2015, at 19:48, Matthew Wastell <matt...@wastell.eu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hopefully I can still remember the MS. 
>> 
>> Duty cycle is the amount of time the injectors are open. The injectors are 
>> configured for 2 squirts per engine cycle. (Most Zetec base maps are set to 
>> 4, it supposedly improves emissions, however it's only noticeable in a lab 
>> and causes rough idling due to the large injector size needed for the turbo) 
>> with big injectors you can't squirt a small enough amount of fuel quickly 
>> enough. Anyway that's not quite relevant right now. The gauge should read 
>> very low on idle / low kpa. Unless you put it under load, you won't see 
>> much. Worth setting megasquirt to log, then open the file in excel/notepad 
>> to see raw values. 
>> 
>> I had it happen once, after a very spirited drive and an on/off/on power 
>> quick combo down a steep hill, I lost power, sounds like running without one 
>> cylinder, restarting wasn't possible. 10 minutes later and it was fine. I 
>> suspect a flooding issue.  If you haven't already, give it another go. 
>> 
>> Once also I totally lost everything, no idea how, but the ECU had scrambled 
>> the map and all settings. Re-loading the map sorted that. It's easy to do. 
>> Switch on the car, load megatune and then use the menu to load your last 
>> saved map. I gave you a copy of just about every version over time but think 
>> you tuned it more since. 
>> 
>> When I originally mapped the car I did have a bit of pinking, I set the plug 
>> gaps much smaller and that resolved that. Unless you've changed them, that 
>> may well be worth checking and changing. I can't for the life of me recall 
>> the gap now but seem to recall it was half that of a regular Zetec. Plugs 
>> are standard RS turbo focus from ford. Leads are standard Zetec. 
>> 
>> Fuel pressure shouldn

Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

[Matthew Wastell]

Just a thought, what's MAP reading?

> On 29 Oct 2015, at 22:10, Robert Craig <bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> That's great info Matthew, thanks for taking the time to write it all. I 
> think I'll print it out and put it in the very large file you gave me. 
> 
> The map looks ok. I compared some values with the saved file from the Sitec 
> RR session to the ECU. It happened when I switched to high boost. Was just 
> building speed gradually in first and second as it was damp. Wasn't yet on 
> positive boost when it lost power and farted. No mechanical noises to suggest 
> engine component failure.
> 
> The engine starts but won't idle. Have to hold the revs about 1500 but it's 
> rough so could be on two cylinders. If I try to rev it it backfires and won't 
> go above about 3K ish. The duty cycle gauge shows  0 but all other gauges are 
> registering. 
> 
> Plugs are high quality iridium, slightly sooted. Haven't measured gaps but 
> will do that at the weekend.. 
> We have a couple of ex Ford technicians in work. They are not familiar with 
> Megasquirt but know the rest of the system well and initial consensus from 
> them is a coil pack issue. I'll get a coil pack tomorrow as we have a trade 
> account with Dingbro it won't be expensive. Even if it's not that, I'll keep 
> it as a spare. I'll let you know how I get on. I'm looking at this as a 
> learning exercise. I've done around 5000 miles ( including sprint and track 
> days) and been pretty much trouble free, so there had to be a problem at some 
> point. Ironic that we were chatting about it last week.
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 29 Oct 2015, at 19:48, Matthew Wastell <matt...@wastell.eu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hopefully I can still remember the MS. 
>> 
>> Duty cycle is the amount of time the injectors are open. The injectors are 
>> configured for 2 squirts per engine cycle. (Most Zetec base maps are set to 
>> 4, it supposedly improves emissions, however it's only noticeable in a lab 
>> and causes rough idling due to the large injector size needed for the turbo) 
>> with big injectors you can't squirt a small enough amount of fuel quickly 
>> enough. Anyway that's not quite relevant right now. The gauge should read 
>> very low on idle / low kpa. Unless you put it under load, you won't see 
>> much. Worth setting megasquirt to log, then open the file in excel/notepad 
>> to see raw values. 
>> 
>> I had it happen once, after a very spirited drive and an on/off/on power 
>> quick combo down a steep hill, I lost power, sounds like running without one 
>> cylinder, restarting wasn't possible. 10 minutes later and it was fine. I 
>> suspect a flooding issue.  If you haven't already, give it another go. 
>> 
>> Once also I totally lost everything, no idea how, but the ECU had scrambled 
>> the map and all settings. Re-loading the map sorted that. It's easy to do. 
>> Switch on the car, load megatune and then use the menu to load your last 
>> saved map. I gave you a copy of just about every version over time but think 
>> you tuned it more since. 
>> 
>> When I originally mapped the car I did have a bit of pinking, I set the plug 
>> gaps much smaller and that resolved that. Unless you've changed them, that 
>> may well be worth checking and changing. I can't for the life of me recall 
>> the gap now but seem to recall it was half that of a regular Zetec. Plugs 
>> are standard RS turbo focus from ford. Leads are standard Zetec. 
>> 
>> Fuel pressure shouldn't be an issue, but worth checking. Think it's around 3 
>> bar, slightly higher than standard. It uses a standard valve, but is 
>> squashed slightly (can tell you how to do it if that comes up)
>> 
>> Hopefully it won't be compression/head gasket or anything as serious as 
>> that, however HG is standard Ford Focus RS turbo (metal). Decomp was custom 
>> from the engine people who supplied quantum at one point. 3mm aluminium. You 
>> should have the original receipt if not I can rack my brains. 
>> 
>> Coil packs as Jim says fail two cylinders normally, it will still run on two 
>> but will be very obvious. 
>> 
>> I doubt the injector wiring will have any kind of issue, however you can if 
>> enough wire switch the connectors around, they all fire at the same time I 
>> recall.  I may have some spare injectors knocking about but not sure. They 
>> are from a 200 SX 350cc ;one of the few side feed designs that fit the ford 
>> rail. It's possible to remove the inner two so long as you don't have extra 
>> large hands. 
>> 
>> The EDIS modul

Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

[Matthew Wastell]

Hi,

Hopefully I can still remember the MS. 

Duty cycle is the amount of time the injectors are open. The injectors are 
configured for 2 squirts per engine cycle. (Most Zetec base maps are set to 4, 
it supposedly improves emissions, however it's only noticeable in a lab and 
causes rough idling due to the large injector size needed for the turbo) with 
big injectors you can't squirt a small enough amount of fuel quickly enough. 
Anyway that's not quite relevant right now. The gauge should read very low on 
idle / low kpa. Unless you put it under load, you won't see much. Worth setting 
megasquirt to log, then open the file in excel/notepad to see raw values. 

I had it happen once, after a very spirited drive and an on/off/on power quick 
combo down a steep hill, I lost power, sounds like running without one 
cylinder, restarting wasn't possible. 10 minutes later and it was fine. I 
suspect a flooding issue.  If you haven't already, give it another go. 

Once also I totally lost everything, no idea how, but the ECU had scrambled the 
map and all settings. Re-loading the map sorted that. It's easy to do. Switch 
on the car, load megatune and then use the menu to load your last saved map. I 
gave you a copy of just about every version over time but think you tuned it 
more since. 

When I originally mapped the car I did have a bit of pinking, I set the plug 
gaps much smaller and that resolved that. Unless you've changed them, that may 
well be worth checking and changing. I can't for the life of me recall the gap 
now but seem to recall it was half that of a regular Zetec. Plugs are standard 
RS turbo focus from ford. Leads are standard Zetec. 

Fuel pressure shouldn't be an issue, but worth checking. Think it's around 3 
bar, slightly higher than standard. It uses a standard valve, but is squashed 
slightly (can tell you how to do it if that comes up)

Hopefully it won't be compression/head gasket or anything as serious as that, 
however HG is standard Ford Focus RS turbo (metal). Decomp was custom from the 
engine people who supplied quantum at one point. 3mm aluminium. You should have 
the original receipt if not I can rack my brains. 

Coil packs as Jim says fail two cylinders normally, it will still run on two 
but will be very obvious. 

I doubt the injector wiring will have any kind of issue, however you can if 
enough wire switch the connectors around, they all fire at the same time I 
recall.  I may have some spare injectors knocking about but not sure. They are 
from a 200 SX 350cc ;one of the few side feed designs that fit the ford rail. 
It's possible to remove the inner two so long as you don't have extra large 
hands. 

The EDIS module may be worth a check. Jim may be able to guide you on that one. 

What else, lambda failure will make it run very rich, but shouldn't loose too 
much power. Depending what you've done with the tune of course. I err'd on the 
side of caution with that one.

Vacuum and breathers should be ok, but worth checking the breather on the inlet 
manifold spacer plate - it should be blocked off (it's no use on a turbo)

If you can describe how it sounds (or video it) I may be able to better guess 
if it was anything I ever faced. 

Hope that gives some things to consider. I'm at the end of the phone if you 
need help with megasquirt. If you can get it in the Internet whilst connected 
to the car I should even be able to check it over from here if needs be. 

Good luck and fingers crossed its simple. 
M










> On 29 Oct 2015, at 10:38, Robert Craig  wrote:
> 
> Just seen Jims reply.  
> 
> I'll do a compression test at the weekend. Makes sense for the short time it 
> takes. The car had run fairly hot on the Knockhill track day, so could have a 
> head gasket issue. No water in oil or oil in water, so could be a blow 
> between cylinders.
> 
> Bob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 29 Oct 2015, at 08:56, Jim Hearne  wrote:
>> 
>> It's Matthew Wastells old car.
>> It's a 2+2 with a 2L Mondeo silver top Zetec bottom end.
>> Turbo charged with a Focus RS turbo, exhaust manifold and sump.
>> The inlet manifold is actually just a RS1800 part.
>> Big valve ported head.
>> Decompression plate to reduce to compression (the first engine with highly 
>> expensive low compression pistons didn't go so well).
>> Uprated injectors, Megasquirt ecu, chargecooler.
>> 
>> I can't remember much of the rest of the spec.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Nigel Plant
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:17 PM
>> To: Quantum Owners Group
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec
>> 
>> Hi Bob
>> Is yours an Xtreme? If so, am curious about the inlet manifold 
>> configuration, but as for the misfire, would either suspect a wire 
>> connection issue on the injectors (did you buy it with turbo?) Or if an 
>> xtreme and the turbo sits high with coil pack on the side, the turbine can 
>> be quite 

Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

[Matthew Wastell]

There's no MAF in this one, so if nothing else, that can be ticked off the 
check list.

(It uses air pressure instead).

On 28 Oct 2015, at 17:40, Bill Jackson 
> wrote:

I had a problem with misfiring on the H4 (Silver top Zetec) that turned out to 
be the bonnet stay having fallen out of its clip and causing a short circuit 
somewhere on the MAF sensor:  It was sorted by my local garage by rotating the 
MAF unit slightly so the short could no longer occur: it's something of a dark 
art to me as well, so the above is necessarily a bit vague but it was a 
successful fix!
all the best
Bill Jackson



On Wednesday, 28 October 2015, 12:54, Bob Craig 
> wrote:


After about 100 mile run on Sunday and thankfully only a mile so so from home, 
the Quantum Started misfiring. Checked usual stuff like connections etc but 
didn't have time to get a good look so put it to bed in the garage until 
tonight. It's a Zetec Silvertop turbo running megaSquirt. It sounds like it's 
running on 3 cylinders but there is no real difference when removing plug leads 
one at a time. Changed spark plugs around too but no effect. Fired up the 
laptop and had a look at the megasquirt dashboard. I noticed that the duty 
cycle gauge wasn't doing anything but can't remember if it did before. It's all 
black art to me anyway as my experience was with old school stuff.

Any advice welcome.

Bob
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 HEADLIGHT COVERS

[Matthew Wastell]

Ian will email you tomorrow..
“I've not received anything post or email from a Stevie, I'll send message to 
s.cr...@hotmail.co.uk from work tomorrow.”

Matthew


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Kodz
Sent: 17 October 2015 21:15
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 HEADLIGHT COVERS


Steve,

What website are you using?

http://www.charlesworth-son.co.uk works for me.  I'm not aware of any issues 
with Ian.

Regards,
Steve
www.h4-turbo.co.uk
www.quantumowners.co.uk

On 17 October 2015 14:00:43 steve c 
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HI
I sent Ian a template in the post and have tried to contact him via e mail and 
his website, which isn't working - has he packed up the perspex buiness? Anyone 
know of another possible source?

StevieCee
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 HEADLIGHT COVERS

[Matthew Wastell]

I'll let him know you are trying to contact him.

On 17 Oct 2015, at 21:14, Steve Kod? 
> wrote:


Steve,

What website are you using?

http://www.charlesworth-son.co.uk works for me.  I'm not aware of any issues 
with Ian.

Regards,
Steve
www.h4-turbo.co.uk
www.quantumowners.co.uk

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HI
I sent Ian a template in the post and have tried to contact him via e mail and 
his website, which isn't working - has he packed up the perspex buiness? Anyone 
know of another possible source?

StevieCee

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Mirrors on 2+2

[Matthew Wastell]

If anyone wants to play with a set of Mondeo electric mirrors to make them 
fit.. free to a good home – you need to collect from near Basingstoke though.
M


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of kynastonp .
Sent: 15 September 2015 14:25
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Mirrors on 2+2


Most quantum's used Mazda 323? Electric mirrors
On 15 Sep 2015 2:05 pm, "SMIDG3T" 
> wrote:
Hi.

The mirrors on a 2+2, they are from a MK2 fiesta right?

Thanks.
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electrical problems.

[Matthew Wastell]

Well, I suppose, really I didn't have that much practise with the new hood... I 
think I only put it up once.. and that was cus the chap I gave a lift to didn't 
want to spoil his hair!  Haha.  OK I probably put it up twice, but struggling 
to remember now.

Gym, what's that?

Matthew





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From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Robert Craig
Sent: 08 June 2015 22:41
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electrical problems.

Ha ha. That's great in theory but the hood shrinks when it's not been used for 
a while and it's tight to get on the poppers and the front latches. Remember, 
I'm just a skinny wee Scotsman who's never been to a gym. My wee arms get 
tired. LOL

Bob

Sent from my iPad

 On 8 Jun 2015, at 21:56, Matthew Wastell matt...@wastell.eu wrote:
 
 Come on... ripping off the poppers, putting the hood up, ok 2 
 minutes...  Maybe rain down here isn't so bad ;-) Seriously, drive faster, 
 park under a bridge, happy days!
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Craig
 Sent: 08 June 2015 19:25
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electrical problems.
 
 I use the said hood cover that Matthew suggests. It's very tidy BUT if 
 you need to put the hood up in hurry, you'll be getting wet. So, I 
 still use the rubber rings if;
 
 1. I have to leave the car unattended several times on the same trip.
 2. There is a high chance of heavy rain (especially if you are going through 
 town/villages and there is a high chance of being stopped at traffic lights 
 etc).  
 
 Most of the time the cover is on. 
 
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electrical problems.

[Matthew Wastell]

I highly recommend getting the hood cover, it makes the rubber rings redundant 
and really tidies everything up nicely when the hood is down.  I recall it was 
about £130.  Keeps the hood really secure at silly speeds too.

Matthew


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Behalf Of russ...@quantum54.freeserve.co.uk
Sent: 08 June 2015 08:52
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electrical problems.


Glyn,
I think the original rubber straps were large O rings used on some Ford, I 
don't know if they are still available. When I build my last 2+2 I used the 
rubber loopsw that you find on tents for putting the tent pegs through, they 
are easily obtainable and worked a treat.

Regards, Russell

 Message Received: Jun 07 2015, 09:24 PM
 From: Glyn Scoltock 
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Cc: 
 Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electrical problems.
 
 Hello everyone again.
 
 Thank you for your answers pertaining to the dark instrument cluster 
 problem. As I was reading them a number of questions reared their ugly 
 heads.
 Before I start the job, how do I go about extracting the instrument 
 cluster? Is it a long job or (I hope) a pleasant Sunday afternoons 
 tinkering? Do I need any particular tools to facilitate removal? Is 
 there anything that I need to be careful about?
 As a sort of PS , its top down time and one of my rubber ' O ' rings 
 that secures one side of the folded up soft top when its down has been 
 broken for some years. I have bodged it by the simple expedient of 
 pulling it out straight and tying a knot in the end but it is not very 
 satisfactory looking or reliable as the knot occaisionally comes 
 undone. Is anyone able to suggest where they can be obtained?
 I will detain you no longer , I am now going to have a look to see if 
 I can get at the dash bulbs from underneath. I will report back and let you 
 know.
 
 ALL THE BEST
 
 *Glyn Scoltock*
 
 
 On Thursday, 28 May 2015 06:25:40 UTC+1, Glyn Scoltock wrote:
 
  Hello everyone,
 
  I am a long time fan of Quantums and I drive an 1800 turbo-diesel , 
  in black , 2+2 number Q02-098. I have up to now enjoyed years of 
  trouble free motoring however I now experiencing some electrical 
  problems after
  (foolishly) flattening my battery.
  After installing the new battery as advised by a mobile auto 
  electrician I got to come round to inspect the wiring, which 
  appeared to be alright nothing came on, everything absolutely deado. I have 
  checked the fuses.
  Can anybody offer any advice?
 
  *Glyn Scoltock*
 
 
 
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electrical problems.

[Matthew Wastell]

Come on... ripping off the poppers, putting the hood up, ok 2 minutes...  Maybe 
rain down here isn't so bad ;-)
Seriously, drive faster, park under a bridge, happy days!




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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electrical problems.

I use the said hood cover that Matthew suggests. It's very tidy BUT if you need 
to put the hood up in hurry, you'll be getting wet. So, I still use the rubber 
rings if;

1. I have to leave the car unattended several times on the same trip.
2. There is a high chance of heavy rain (especially if you are going through 
town/villages and there is a high chance of being stopped at traffic lights 
etc).  

Most of the time the cover is on. 

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electrical problems.

[Matthew Wastell]

I really have no idea how yours stays in place at any speed!  I’m pretty sure 
mine wanted to take off at 90 mph…..  140 mph forget it!!!
M



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Sent: 08 June 2015 20:18
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electrical problems.

Just unclip the header rail and lay it flat (top uppermost) on the rear shelf. 
Tuck it well in towards the rear then lay the rest of the top over it. Has 
worked a treat on my 2+2 at all speeds and in all weathers.  Do this and the O 
rings are not needed. There will be a few 2+2s on the tour next week (mine 
included) in case you are near Derbyshire.
I also just did as the others did to brighten the instrument lighting. I thing 
the whole job took about 45 mins even with wheel attached.

Paschal
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 HEADLIGHT COVERS

[Matthew Wastell]

Drop him a mail he says,
Ianz:a
@   d:c
charlesworth-sonmailto:i...@charlesworth-son.co.uk. q-w
Co. r-t
UK

Matthew




On 11 Dec 2014, at 23:06, Matthew Wastell 
matt...@wastell.eumailto:matt...@wastell.eu wrote:

He doesn't read here but I can mention it to him.

Matthew



On 9 Dec 2014, at 17:04, Jim Hearne 
j...@quantums.infomailto:j...@quantums.info wrote:

Ian Cummings did make some, not sure if he's still on here or has any left.

Jim


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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 HEADLIGHT COVERS



Hi
apologies for not remembering that Eddie is unwell - hope he's recovering well. 
If anyone has a nearside H4 headlight cover I'd e grateful.
Thanks
StevieCee
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 HEADLIGHT COVERS

[Matthew Wastell]

He doesn't read here but I can mention it to him.

Matthew



On 9 Dec 2014, at 17:04, Jim Hearne 
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Ian Cummings did make some, not sure if he's still on here or has any left.

Jim


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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 HEADLIGHT COVERS



Hi
apologies for not remembering that Eddie is unwell - hope he's recovering well. 
If anyone has a nearside H4 headlight cover I'd e grateful.
Thanks
StevieCee
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Good Engine Reconditioners?

[Matthew Wastell]

Pretty sure it was standard carb, no idea if the jets were changed or not to 
suit, however it certainly wasn’t performing as you’d expect a special 1.9 
engine to.

I’ve no idea where the oil was going now, I was pretty clueless about such 
things back then, however it was SE who said it was warn and was due to the 
wrong fuel.  When your clueless (ish) and you have money to spend, you’d expect 
they’d have been wanting to do some actual work on the thing, if nothing else 
they could have sold me/ bunged twin carbs on and charged even more money.

Oh well, that was a long time ago now!
M





From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 30 October 2014 12:19
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Good Engine Reconditioners?

I still have that engine waiting for something for it to go into.
To be honest i took the head off and couldn’t see much wrong with it, i think 
most of the oil was leaking from seals and gaskets.
And, didn’t it still have the standard carb on it ?, which was probably why the 
power was done.

But, yes, i seem to remember they told you you had worn it out by using the 
wrong petrol.

Jim


From: Matthew Wastellmailto:matt...@wastell.eu
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:10 PM
To: quantumown...@googlegroups..commailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Good Engine Reconditioners?

I used them about 10 years ago. Terrible engine wear and oil leaks everywhere 
with low mileage (1 pint of oil per petrol tank approx was needed)

They said it was nothing to do with them, I must have used the wrong petrol and 
they charged me near £300 to change the oil and say the engine is pretty good 
actually

The 1.9 was putting out less power than a 1.6.

Maybe they have changed but personally I would never use them again nor 
recommend anyone else did.

Matthew

On 29 Oct 2014, at 22:41, Chris 
chris.quan...@btinternet.commailto:chris.quan...@btinternet.com wrote:
I had Specialised Engines in Essex rebuild my engine in May this year. 
Fantastic service and price was ok, if you’re in the owners club then you will 
get a discount on parts. It’s an old fashioned workshop with all the machinery 
needed and the knowhow about how to use it all properly, they do EVERYTHING 
inhouse. Apparently a few years ago another company set up near them with a 
similar name and did some REALLY bad rebuilds, which gave them a bad reputation.
I have no probs about using them againbut hopefully not for another 
10 years  wlEmoticon-smile[1].png
Look in the club mag for the logo.

Chris G

From: Dave Englishmailto:dandh.engl...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 10:23 PM
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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Good Engine Reconditioners?

Hi all

With nearly 200k on the clock (including 10 seasons of the RAF Sprinting 
Championship) it's time to get my engine reconditioned. (Well, after Curborough 
on Saturday anyway!)
Initially I was looking at Specialised Engines for a stage 1 upgrade, but some 
reports on this forum were less than encouraging so I'm interested in where 
people have gone and any recommendations.
I'm near Peterborough and will be transporting the engine in my trailer, so 
somewhere not too far away would be ideal.
The current plan is to do this over Winter, I have a list of other jobs on the 
car anyway. It'll be the first time my 2+2 has been off the road for any length 
of time in over 21 years, so I guess it deserves a short break!

Regards
Dave English
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Good Engine Reconditioners?

[Matthew Wastell]

I'm one of the people who reports extremely poor and over charged service from 
specialised engines.

Sorry can't recommend anyone else though :-(

Matthew



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Hi all

With nearly 200k on the clock (including 10 seasons of the RAF Sprinting 
Championship) it's time to get my engine reconditioned. (Well, after Curborough 
on Saturday anyway!)
Initially I was looking at Specialised Engines for a stage 1 upgrade, but some 
reports on this forum were less than encouraging so I'm interested in where 
people have gone and any recommendations.
I'm near Peterborough and will be transporting the engine in my trailer, so 
somewhere not too far away would be ideal.
The current plan is to do this over Winter, I have a list of other jobs on the 
car anyway. It'll be the first time my 2+2 has been off the road for any length 
of time in over 21 years, so I guess it deserves a short break!

Regards
Dave English

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Good Engine Reconditioners?

[Matthew Wastell]

I used them about 10 years ago. Terrible engine wear and oil leaks everywhere 
with low mileage (1 pint of oil per petrol tank approx was needed)

They said it was nothing to do with them, I must have used the wrong petrol and 
they charged me near ?300 to change the oil and say the engine is pretty good 
actually

The 1.9 was putting out less power than a 1.6.

Maybe they have changed but personally I would never use them again nor 
recommend anyone else did.

Matthew

On 29 Oct 2014, at 22:41, Chris 
chris.quan...@btinternet.commailto:chris.quan...@btinternet.com wrote:

I had Specialised Engines in Essex rebuild my engine in May this year. 
Fantastic service and price was ok, if you're in the owners club then you will 
get a discount on parts. It's an old fashioned workshop with all the machinery 
needed and the knowhow about how to use it all properly, they do EVERYTHING 
inhouse. Apparently a few years ago another company set up near them with a 
similar name and did some REALLY bad rebuilds, which gave them a bad reputation.
I have no probs about using them againbut hopefully not for another 
10 years  wlEmoticon-smile[1].png
Look in the club mag for the logo.

Chris G

From: Dave Englishmailto:dandh.engl...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 10:23 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.commailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Good Engine Reconditioners?

Hi all

With nearly 200k on the clock (including 10 seasons of the RAF Sprinting 
Championship) it's time to get my engine reconditioned. (Well, after Curborough 
on Saturday anyway!)
Initially I was looking at Specialised Engines for a stage 1 upgrade, but some 
reports on this forum were less than encouraging so I'm interested in where 
people have gone and any recommendations.
I'm near Peterborough and will be transporting the engine in my trailer, so 
somewhere not too far away would be ideal.
The current plan is to do this over Winter, I have a list of other jobs on the 
car anyway. It'll be the first time my 2+2 has been off the road for any length 
of time in over 21 years, so I guess it deserves a short break!

Regards
Dave English
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Quantum Mk1 destruction.

[Matthew Wastell]

That does sound weird, if he's doing this to make money selling parts, then 
you'd think he'd sell the shell. Any value in a quantum reg number if you put 
it back on a fiesta?

 On 21 Oct 2014, at 11:08, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:
 
 Sorry, i meant added to a blocked buyer list (yes, you can do this).
 Also, Quantum owners might wish to make sure they don't buy from him either.
 
 Quite surprised he would rather destroy the shell than sell it though.
 Unless you had a big bonfire I'd have thought it would be hard to dispose of.
 
 Jim
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Jim Hearne
 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:58 AM
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Quantum Mk1 destruction.
 
 Unfortunately, he is probably correct, Quantum's would have typically had a
 lot less use and have parts in better condition than the remaining Mk1/2
 Fiestas around.
 So they are a good source of parts.
 
 Can you reveal the ebay ID of the buyer so that at least he could be added
 to the blocked seller list of anybody selling a Quantum.
 
 Jim
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Eddie
 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:47 AM
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [Quantum Owners] Quantum Mk1 destruction.
 
 It is with some sadness to report, that Quantum Mk1 chassis 009 has been
 stripped of its parts and the shell now being destroyed after being sold on
 EBay, this was a perfectly road worthy car at point of sale.
 There has been a considerable effort behind the scenes to save the shell.
 However, the purchaser will not work with us and claims that the Quantums
 are a 'nice' cheap way of getting parts to restore early Fiestas, and that
 the parts alone will net him more than the purchase price.
 We have been able to trace back and find that the purchaser in question has
 bought other Quantum's for the same reason.
 I know my feelings about this,I leave you to make yours.
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Quick Quantums

[Matthew Wastell]

I had, now with Rob, a 2.0 Zetec turbo. About 250 bhp and more than enough for 
a FWD.

Matt

On 23 Sep 2014, at 10:18, AndyH 
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I've been thinking about my 2+2, it's probably the quickest Quantum I've owned. 
The last one I had was running a 1.6 CVH with twin 40 DCNFs and a Kent CVH22, 
which was OK, but still a bit slow.

The current one is a 1.6 CVH turbo EFi, with a 165 chip and standard injectors. 
I think it'd probably see about 150'ish. At the moment, and touchwood, it seems 
to be a reliable state of tune.

I dont think it's a patch on what some people have done to theirs - do we have 
a fair few 2.1 Zetec turbos, ZVH's or Duratecs hanging around here or are we in 
original donors engines?

Idle curiosity on my part, always interested to hear what people are up to and 
check out the specs


Andy



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Re: [Quantum Owners] Quick Quantums

[Matthew Wastell]

The speedo was pretty accurate compared to standard as I changed the drive cog 
although still 5% over read.

Ahem how do you know the speedo goes off the end ;-)

Miss her, but realisation I have no time for two cars alas. Still trying to 
decide if I buy an m135i as my every day car. Heart says yes, head says no.

M





On 23 Sep 2014, at 21:05, Robert Craig 
bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.ukmailto:bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Hi Andy,
I too had a CVH with twin DCNFS and Kent cam. It produced around 120 and I had 
it for 8 years. It was great fun although lacked out and out power for 
overtaking.

I was fortunate to buy a Zetec turbo powered 2+2 in May this year. Those who 
have been on here for a good few years will know the car as it was rebuilt by 
Jim Hearn and Matthew Wastell with a very special engine developing approx 
250BHP. It is very very fast. Probably the fastest car I have driven that 
wasn't a race car. 60 comes in at sub 4 secs and it will go off the speedo 
(140mph is the speedo max) before hitting the rev limiter. Even allowing for 
speedo inaccuracy, that's still mighty quick. It's an extremely well built car 
and a credit to both Jim and Matthew.

I would have loved to have converted my original car to this spec but I don't 
have the facilities or technical know how to do that, especially the 
electronics.

Bob Craig

Sent from my iPad

On 23 Sep 2014, at 10:18, AndyH 
andy.hawo...@gmail.commailto:andy.hawo...@gmail.com wrote:

I've been thinking about my 2+2, it's probably the quickest Quantum I've owned. 
The last one I had was running a 1.6 CVH with twin 40 DCNFs and a Kent CVH22, 
which was OK, but still a bit slow.

The current one is a 1.6 CVH turbo EFi, with a 165 chip and standard injectors. 
I think it'd probably see about 150'ish. At the moment, and touchwood, it seems 
to be a reliable state of tune.

I dont think it's a patch on what some people have done to theirs - do we have 
a fair few 2.1 Zetec turbos, ZVH's or Duratecs hanging around here or are we in 
original donors engines?

Idle curiosity on my part, always interested to hear what people are up to and 
check out the specs


Andy



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Re: [Quantum Owners] Quick Quantums

[Matthew Wastell]

At these powers, the power I think would make no real difference, it will come 
down to driver skill in getting the power down and the gear changes.

I struggle getting quick gear changes in my diesel BMW these days and that has 
a much better box than the old fords. Next car will be an 8 speed auto if I can 
help it!

On 23 Sep 2014, at 21:18, Jim Hearne 
j...@quantums.infomailto:j...@quantums.info wrote:

My 2+2 was putting out 260bp about 10 years ago when it was last on a rolling 
road.
That's from a 2.0 ZVH with a standard 2.0 Zetec bottom end,  custom CVH head 
from the same person that did Mathews, a Piper 285T cam and a standard T3 turbo.
Most of that power is coming from the big valve head.

We never did get both mine and Matthews together on a drag strip to see which 
one was quicker.

Jim

From: Robert Craigmailto:bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:05 PM
To: quantumown...@googlegroups..commailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Quick Quantums

Hi Andy,
I too had a CVH with twin DCNFS and Kent cam. It produced around 120 and I had 
it for 8 years. It was great fun although lacked out and out power for 
overtaking.

I was fortunate to buy a Zetec turbo powered 2+2 in May this year. Those who 
have been on here for a good few years will know the car as it was rebuilt by 
Jim Hearn and Matthew Wastell with a very special engine developing approx 
250BHP. It is very very fast. Probably the fastest car I have driven that 
wasn't a race car. 60 comes in at sub 4 secs and it will go off the speedo 
(140mph is the speedo max) before hitting the rev limiter. Even allowing for 
speedo inaccuracy, that's still mighty quick. It's an extremely well built car 
and a credit to both Jim and Matthew.

I would have loved to have converted my original car to this spec but I don't 
have the facilities or technical know how to do that, especially the 
electronics.

Bob Craig

Sent from my iPad

On 23 Sep 2014, at 10:18, AndyH 
andy.hawo...@gmail.commailto:andy.hawo...@gmail.com wrote:

I've been thinking about my 2+2, it's probably the quickest Quantum I've owned. 
The last one I had was running a 1.6 CVH with twin 40 DCNFs and a Kent CVH22, 
which was OK, but still a bit slow.

The current one is a 1.6 CVH turbo EFi, with a 165 chip and standard injectors. 
I think it'd probably see about 150'ish. At the moment, and touchwood, it seems 
to be a reliable state of tune.

I dont think it's a patch on what some people have done to theirs - do we have 
a fair few 2.1 Zetec turbos, ZVH's or Duratecs hanging around here or are we in 
original donors engines?

Idle curiosity on my part, always interested to hear what people are up to and 
check out the specs


Andy


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Indicator oddness

[Matthew Wastell]

My guess, either the flasher relay or stalk. 

The hazards may use the same relay so check the hazards at cold. If they work 
then it's at least not the relay and I'd then check inductor stalk by shorting 
the need connections. If the hazards dont work I would change the relay / check 
the contacts for corrosion. The relays are in the footwell so get a nice blast 
of heat from the cabin heater. 

Someone will be along shortly to say there are two relays so my test won't work 
;-)

M





On 18 Oct 2012, at 13:13, MatthewG mgas...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 My Q has recently developed an odd fault where the indicator doesn't
 do anything for the first ten miles of a journey. The stalk still
 works to control full beam but the indicators don't respond to it
 until the engine is completely warmed up. I'm therefore guessing that
 perhaps something somewhere is responding to heat and comes back to
 life once it's warm. I don't yet know if it's a fault with the stalk
 or something else. I'm not in the same league of troubleshooting
 experts as the rest of you so I thought it sensible to ask here if
 anyone else has experienced this before I start taking things apart.
 Any advice gratefully received.
 
 Matthew
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Indicator oddness

[Matthew Wastell]

And of course check hazard switch as indicators route through there normally. 

On 18 Oct 2012, at 14:06, Matthew Wastell matt...@wastell.eu wrote:

 My guess, either the flasher relay or stalk. 
 
 The hazards may use the same relay so check the hazards at cold. If they work 
 then it's at least not the relay and I'd then check inductor stalk by 
 shorting the need connections. If the hazards dont work I would change the 
 relay / check the contacts for corrosion. The relays are in the footwell so 
 get a nice blast of heat from the cabin heater. 
 
 Someone will be along shortly to say there are two relays so my test won't 
 work ;-)
 
 M
 
 
 
 
 
 On 18 Oct 2012, at 13:13, MatthewG mgas...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 My Q has recently developed an odd fault where the indicator doesn't
 do anything for the first ten miles of a journey. The stalk still
 works to control full beam but the indicators don't respond to it
 until the engine is completely warmed up. I'm therefore guessing that
 perhaps something somewhere is responding to heat and comes back to
 life once it's warm. I don't yet know if it's a fault with the stalk
 or something else. I'm not in the same league of troubleshooting
 experts as the rest of you so I thought it sensible to ask here if
 anyone else has experienced this before I start taking things apart.
 Any advice gratefully received.
 
 Matthew
 Q2-275
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Auto Choke on 2+2

[Matthew Wastell]

Yes  Basically what is being suggested is a bit too much fuel is going in. 
When it gets colder an engine will be colder and will need more fuel (due to 
fuel condensation), basically offsetting the issue. 

Lets put it this way, carbs and chokes are old tech, they work, but you have to 
get used to them an adjust your 'modern' behaviour to suit. Just be thankful 
that it has automatic timing (don't ask!). 

I'd highly recommend you pick up the AA car maintenance book, second hand from 
sometime in the 80s. It teaches car maintenance and describes how this 'old' 
tech works. This I what I learnt from years ago. 

As to power, how to explain without confusing you, er
It fine to hold the revs at 2 or 3k until it idles on its own smoothly (in fact 
it could be argued that it is better as the oil pressure will be higher and the 
warm up will be faster and more uniform)
Holding the revs at 2-3 is NOT using a lot of power, this is something 
different. If you can imagine all you are doing is spinning the engine faster, 
there is no (significant) load when doing this whilst stationary and out of 
gear. What you DON'T want to do is start and drive off flat out at full power 
(very hard acceleration). However diving at moderate throttle is fine.

If you have any mates with motorbikes older than about 10 years, ask them for 
tips. They generally all have carbs and manual chokes and are much harder to 
get right - perfect your control there and a car is easy. 

M


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 It should get better when the weather gets colder? Really, I'd of thought it 
 would get worse. So it's ok to use as much power as I need to stop the car 
 from stalling? Thanks again. 
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Auto Choke on 2+2

[Matthew Wastell]

It's not that easy to flood once started. Just don't put the pedal to the floor 
immediately after starting and don't press the pedal over and over before 
starting.   When you press the pedal the carb squirts a bit of extra fuel in. 
There is a small tank of fuel in the carb. So even when the engine is not 
running this happens. Too much fuel means no bang. 

Modern cars do exactly the same thing but is controlled electronically and does 
not squirt in the extra fuel unless the engine is running. They also don't have 
a carb and no small fuel tank, so flooding a modern car in the same way is not 
possible.

Should you flood the engine you can normally tell by smelling petrol. Switch 
the ignition off and go an have a coffee.  Hopefully it will clear enough after 
15 mins or so. Continual attempts to start may make it worse. Excessive petrol 
in the cylinders will wash away the oil but I would not worry about that unless 
you are flooding the engine all the time. 

Hope that helps
M



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 Hi. Many thanks for all that information. Ill continue what I done this 
 morning then. Press the pedal once before starting, turn the ignition on, 
 hold at 2000RPM until it settles down and drive off carefully. As long as I 
 know I can do this when NOT moving and out of gear. I'm just worried, (but 
 your post had reassured me) my Dad said if I apply to much acceleration, over 
 time, I'd flood the engine? I don't know if he's right? Thanks again. 
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Auto Choke on 2+2

[Matthew Wastell]

That sound IMPossible to live with!

I guess the carb design makes a big difference there, updraft being almost (if 
not) impossible to flood and downdraft being the worst. 

I can understand why 30 odd years ago it was very unusual to live, say, an hour 
drive from your work, which now seems quite common. You just could not rely on 
old cars to be reliable. 

M



On 3 Oct 2012, at 14:15, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:

 If i manage to flood the engine on my Hillman Imp waiting didn't work, even 
 till the next day.
 I'd have to take all the plugs out and heat them on the gas cooker before it 
 would start.
 
 Jim
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Matthew Wastell
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:57 PM
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Auto Choke on 2+2
 
 It's not that easy to flood once started. Just don't put the pedal to the 
 floor immediately after starting and don't press the pedal over and over 
 before starting.   When you press the pedal the carb squirts a bit of extra 
 fuel in. There is a small tank of fuel in the carb. So even when the engine 
 is not running this happens. Too much fuel means no bang.
 
 Modern cars do exactly the same thing but is controlled electronically and 
 does not squirt in the extra fuel unless the engine is running. They also 
 don't have a carb and no small fuel tank, so flooding a modern car in the 
 same way is not possible.
 
 Should you flood the engine you can normally tell by smelling petrol. Switch 
 the ignition off and go an have a coffee.  Hopefully it will clear enough 
 after 15 mins or so. Continual attempts to start may make it worse. Excessive 
 petrol in the cylinders will wash away the oil but I would not worry about 
 that unless you are flooding the engine all the time.
 
 Hope that helps
 M
 
 
 
 On 3 Oct 2012, at 12:38, Chris Brighton chris.j.brigh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi. Many thanks for all that information. Ill continue what I done this 
 morning then. Press the pedal once before starting, turn the ignition on, 
 hold at 2000RPM until it settles down and drive off carefully. As long as I 
 know I can do this when NOT moving and out of gear. I'm just worried, (but 
 your post had reassured me) my Dad said if I apply to much acceleration, 
 over time, I'd flood the engine? I don't know if he's right? Thanks again.
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Auto Choke on 2+2

[Matthew Wastell]

I'm mostly in a diesel these days but not noticed any difference on the couple 
of petrol tanks I've filled (including mixing 2 stroke). Could it be the start 
of winter additives (does petrol have that?) or maybe a change in ethanol 
content. 

M



On 3 Oct 2012, at 20:09, jin jinmys...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Slightly off topic, anyone else notice fuel , esp V power seems to
 smell a bit funny recently? Bit like rotten veg?
 Unless its just me?
 I go have bath
 
 On Oct 3, 1:29 pm, Adrian Hopkins adrianjhopk...@btinternet.com
 wrote:
 I have used Lit Matches to dry out individual Spark plugs - LOL
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 1:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Auto Choke on 2+2
 
 If i manage to flood the engine on my Hillman Imp waiting didn't work, even
 till the next day.
 I'd have to take all the plugs out and heat them on the gas cooker before it
 would start.
 
 Jim
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew Wastell
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:57 PM
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Auto Choke on 2+2
 
 It's not that easy to flood once started. Just don't put the pedal to the
 floor immediately after starting and don't press the pedal over and over
 before starting.   When you press the pedal the carb squirts a bit of extra
 fuel in. There is a small tank of fuel in the carb. So even when the engine
 is not running this happens. Too much fuel means no bang.
 
 Modern cars do exactly the same thing but is controlled electronically and
 does not squirt in the extra fuel unless the engine is running. They also
 don't have a carb and no small fuel tank, so flooding a modern car in the
 same way is not possible.
 
 Should you flood the engine you can normally tell by smelling petrol. Switch
 the ignition off and go an have a coffee.  Hopefully it will clear enough
 after 15 mins or so. Continual attempts to start may make it worse.
 Excessive petrol in the cylinders will wash away the oil but I would not
 worry about that unless you are flooding the engine all the time.
 
 Hope that helps
 M
 
 On 3 Oct 2012, at 12:38, Chris Brighton chris.j.brigh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi. Many thanks for all that information. Ill continue what I done this
 morning then. Press the pedal once before starting, turn the ignition on,
 hold at 2000RPM until it settles down and drive off carefully. As long as
 I know I can do this when NOT moving and out of gear. I'm just worried,
 (but your post had reassured me) my Dad said if I apply to much
 acceleration, over time, I'd flood the engine? I don't know if he's right?
 Thanks again.
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] another 'project on ebay'

[Matthew Wastell]

Quentum??  ;-)



On 30 Sep 2012, at 23:25, Gary gary_brokensh...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quentum-4-Seater-Sports-Car-/120991153143?_trksid=p4340.m1982_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29%26meid%3D2419669924812924103%26pid%3D19%26prg%3D1013%26rk%3D8%26sd%3D150911292616%26
 
 120991153143
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Engine Cold in the Morning

[Matthew Wastell]

Misspelling of loud pedal

M 

On 30 Sep 2012, at 18:13, Chris Brighton chris.j.brigh...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is gonna sound pathetic but what is the load pedal?! Also, what do you 
 mean I need to pull that out as well? Thanks. 
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: xtreme engine mounts

[Matthew Wastell]

We've got 2+2s so probably a different part. I don't think they were Motorsport 
versions but not entirely sure. 

M





On 28 Sep 2012, at 14:43, Nigel Plant nigelp...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Do you know which mount you guys use? Is it FOR173M or FOR174MX, the 
 difference being standard or motorsport versions of the Vib Tec mount. Thanks 
 Nigel
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] xtreme engine mounts

[Matthew Wastell]

Er no idea sorry!


On 28 Sep 2012, at 17:28, Sonic H  soni...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Matthew,
 
 Do you know the part numbers of the mounts you use on the 2+2, i've got one 
 that needs new mounts.
 
 Thanks
 
 Chris
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew Wastell
 Sent:  28/09/2012 5:21:10 pm
 Subject:  Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: xtreme engine mounts
 
 We've got 2+2s so probably a different part. I don't think they were 
 Motorsport versions but not entirely sure. 
 
 M
 
 
 
 
 
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 Do you know which mount you guys use? Is it FOR173M or FOR174MX, the 
 difference being standard or motorsport versions of the Vib Tec mount. 
 Thanks Nigel
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: xtreme engine mounts

[Matthew Wastell]

I've got vibra techniques mounts. At first I was worried they would transmit 
too much engine noise to the car, however they don't make any noticeable 
difference. 

They really do hold the engine in though. If highly recommend them. 

Matthew



On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:04, Nigel Plant nigelp...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I've got 5mm  packing under my front mounts and a 3mm home made shim under 
 the gearbox rear mount.  The sierra mounts do go soft and have poor lateral 
 stability.  There is a BMW mount of very similar dimensions to the Sierra or 
 if you're really feeling flish there is a Sierra Cosworth mount from Vibra 
 Technics at about £112 each, it seems very good and is designed to improve 
 lateral stability. I was talking to them at the Autosport show in January, 
 however the price keeps bringing tears to my eyes.  Mark Burtley will tell 
 you exactly which the BMW one is.  My engine moves too much sideways on track 
 days and I need to solve this soon, so will probably try the BMW ones myself.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 alarm problems.

[Matthew Wastell]

Any thief that brakes a window in a soft top is perhaps a bit more daft than 
normal ;-)

Supposedly a friend of a friend was so sick of the window on his cosworth 
something or other being broken for the thiefs only to run off due to the alarm 
he used to leave it unlocked, but alarmed. Some time in the late 80s

M



On 10 Sep 2012, at 21:00, Susan and Martin Scott 
susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk wrote:

 Sound advice from Jim - Scotchlocks should be banned!
 On a positive note, the value of an alarm is nothing until the thief has 
 smashed a window - A sticker saying an alarm is fitted can prevent an atempt 
 just by itself, without the broken window!
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 alarm problems.
 
 
 Your neighbours will think so.
 If you can't figure out why it's going off then it's about all you can do.
 
 If you can find the control unit under the dash then it might have a model
 number on it and then you might be able to find a manual on the net.
 There's probably some way of getting the alarm to tell you why it's gone
 off, number of led flashes etc.
 
 But, i hope your mechanic is decent at electrics as the alarm should be
 hooked into several circuits in the car to immobilise it when the alarm is
 active.
 He will needs to find these circuits, disconnect the alarm and reconnect the
 original wiring with proper joints and correctly rated cable.
 Ask him if he has any Scotchlocks, if he has i wouldn't let him do it.
 
 Jim
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Chris Brighton
 Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:34 PM
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 alarm problems.
 
 So, are you saying that's a good decision? I've only had it a few weeks but
 it's been doing my head in, I can't cope with that noise going off at random
 anymore!!
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 alarm problems.

[Matthew Wastell]

What happened to the adventurous kit car owner?

Rip it out! If it goes wrong you'll then learn to put it back together (or 
rather the garage doing it in this case will). ;-)

M



On 10 Sep 2012, at 19:11, Gary gary_brokensh...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 having been in the business of auto electrics / alarms and seeing what is 
 done, I would err on someone in the know.
 As i said you may find the wires are all black.
 they dont usually all tap in to existing wires but cut separate and take over 
 control, hence Jims reconnection comments.
 Personally i would reconnect and solder covering with tape. again may require 
 inserting wire to bridge cut out lengths.
 Depending on the alarm complexity and installer will ultimately decide on the 
 difficulty to undooo.
 and once you start your in, until it is out.
 
 Have a look if you can find the brain and count the wires leaving it and if 
 they are all black or multi coloured.
 Again as Jim said if you can get a model no off the brain, get the manual. it 
 will give an indication of the circuits affected and complexity.
 
 do your homework and decide.it's your choice.
 
 Gary
 
 On 10/09/2012 18:02, Jim Hearne wrote:
 I'm saying it's not just a case of cutting a few wires, he will need to 
 reconnect some original wiring as well.
 
 Jim
 
 On 10/09/2012 17:22, Chris Brighton wrote:
 Right. Ok then. So once he has deactivated the alarm do you think the car 
 won't start up or something? He's pretty good.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Just bought a 2+2

[Matthew Wastell]

Odiham is just 'round the corner from me. Any more spaces free?

She can drive mine so long as I can be a passenger, always wanted to see why my 
friends go white. 

Matthew



On 9 Sep 2012, at 00:16, jon jackson jon.jacks...@ntlworld.com wrote:

  
 - Original Message -
 From: jon jackson
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 12:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Just bought a 2+2
 
 Yes I expect you are correct there Mathew,
 I am going to trackday the Quantum again at the end of the month at Odiham 
 with Motorsport.com and will get the hang of ragging it to find out what the 
 ultimate behaviour is. We lost our son 2 years ago so have not felt much like 
 doing the things we used to, so although we have gone through the motions of 
 driving it in anger we have not had the passion to, so have done some half 
 hearted efforts the last was at Goodwood in Nov last year when I lost control 
 and ended on the grass at St Mary,s and upon regaining the track we found a 
 slight oil leak from the cam cover and I ended the track day.
 Racing is clearly in our family blood however as our daughter Rebecca was 
 invited by Toyota to race an MR2 at Donnington last weekend and achieved a 
 4th place despite never having driven an MR2 let alone a race one. This 
 weekend she is at Croft racing her own Porsche 924 and has finished 4th to 
 back up a win she had earlier this year.
 Perhaps I should give her the keys to my 2+2 to find out how well it can go!
 All best Jon 2+2 RST
 - Original Message -
 From: Matthew
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   
 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 11:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Justbought a 2+2
 
 I guess it's just torque steer thinking about it.
 
 
 
 On 7 Sep 2012, at 19:59, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:
 
 I also have, what I have no name for, but the pull in when you put power on 
 with steering dialled in the front will pull in to the corner giving a 
 slight feeling of oversteer. 
 
 That was what i meant.
 
 Jim
 
 
 M
 
 
 On 7 Sep 2012, at 08:51, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:
 
 My 2+2 also oversteers on power but i prefer it to understeer, it is as 
 you say very predictable.
 I also didn’t like the floaty feeling from the Quantum recommended setup, 
 though i had the original Quantum Monroes, and then their Monroe 
 sensatracs. With matching Quantum springs.
  
 I ended up with a setup of Gaz coil overs with the Gaz coil over springs 
 on the front and standard XR2 springs on the rear.
 This is very low though, not suitable for B roads, and speed bumps have to 
 be taken at very low speeds, often at an angle !
  
 Jim
  
  
 From: jon jackson
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:02 PM
 To: quantumown...@googlegroups..com
 Subject: Fw: [Quantum Owners] Re: Just bought a 2+2
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: jon jackson
 To: quantumown...@googlegroups..com
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Just bought a 2+2
  
 Hi Alan,
 I took the advice given by Jim Hearne and others to fit the 1.4 fronts and 
 standard 1100 rears, which worked well enough but there was a shocker 
 imbalance with the units  fitted which were standard fiesta MK 2 
 (presumably) and this caused the car to change direction on acceleration 
 and give a feeling of doubt as to where it would go!
 I was very lucky to find on Fleabay a set of near new Spax adjustables 
 with standard XR2 springs fitted for £90 so once I had fitted them I found 
 that standard XR2 springs were not good and the car was too soft as there 
 was very little preload, so back on went the new springs that I had bought 
 (1.4  1100). This did the trick and I am now very happy with the car and 
 have set the rear soft and three clicks on the front, the car will 
 oversteer when pushed which is strange for a FWD but at least it is 
 predictable.
 I then threw out my MX5 seats and installed some leather jobbies from a 
 top of range Vectra and the car is quick and comfy, so meets my 
 requirements at last.
 All best Jon 2+2 RST
 - Original Message -
 From: Alan
 To: quantumown...@googlegroups..com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:06 PM
 Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Just bought a 2+2
  
 I'll remove the clocks and have a look at some point then. 
 
 So perhaps swapping the front springs for the 1.4 springs or maybe even 
 the diesel ones which are supposed to be a little harder? Then again 
 presumably the front end on a 2+2 weighs less than the fiesta in derv 
 form? 
 
 Would xr2 gas shocks be usable with the longer springs?
 
 How about springs/shocks for a mk1 fiesta, I gather they rode higher? 
 
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 alarm problems.

[Matthew Wastell]

Yes  Some central locking kits have dumb slave actuators (normally 2 wire) 
and the master lock has 4 wires. In a kit you normally get 2 of each. However 
you can split the kit across 2 x 2 door cars and use an alarm as the driver on 
one. 

In fact I think mine is 2 x 2 wires, ie manually locking a door does not lock 
the others. 

However in a convertible, why bother?

M



On 8 Sep 2012, at 11:20, Chris Brighton chris.j.brigh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok many thanks for that. I tried something today and you could say it was a 
 step forward. When I bought the car I was given 2 keys. Today I used the 
 spare key to unlock the door and nothing happened. (The door opened but no 
 sounds could be heard), when I got out, I used the spare key again but this 
 time locked the car from the passenger side. So far, this seems that doing 
 this DOESN'T activate the alarm.  Have you heard of anything like this 
 before? 
 
 Also, where in the car are the interior door light switches?!?
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Hesitation on acceleration

[Matthew Wastell]

My random guess has a little bit of random fact behind it too. The zetecs are 
known for a flat spot somewhere on the load range, especially with mildly 
modified engines (like free flow air filter and cat). Replacing the stock fuel 
pressure reg seems to solve that. I'm extrapolating the two to come up with my 
random guess. 

Im basically going on the 'feels like a flat spot' description. 

It really will be impossible to check it completely without proper tools as you 
need to check it *on load* I.e where you say the flat spot is, having a mate 
lie on the engine with a tyre pressure valve is not a good idea at anything 
over about 5mph ;-)

You can still check at idle though, it my kill your tyre pressure gauge though, 
use one you don't mind loosing!  It should be 3 bar.  

The reg I think is rising rate do the pressure should increase on load but 
whether it increases to 3 or increases from 3 I am not sure. 

When Jim and I measured two of mine they were lower than 3, we use a little 
trick where you squash it to increase the pressure (I need more fuel than could 
be delivered by the stock injectors)

Anyway, it is really a random guess, diagnosing these kinds of problems 
remotely are very tricky. 

Good luck and let us know how it goes 

Matthew





On 2 Sep 2012, at 15:20, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:

 You may have a tyre type valve on the fitting on the end of the fuel rail.
 If you have you can carefully use a tyre pressure gauge to measure the fuel 
 pressure.
 You will get some escape of high pressure fuel so put a rag around the joint 
 and do it outside.
 
 If you don't fancy doing it with the engine running you can keep turning the 
 ignition on and off every few seconds, this will run the fuel pump for a few 
 seconds at a time and should build up to the normal pressure and not drop 
 away noticeable.
 
 I've not really heard of any problems with the fuel pressure regs on the 
 Zetec and not sure it fits with your problem, i'm having trouble at the 
 moment thinking of something that does fit with the symptoms to suggest.
 If the reg was stuck partly open the pressure would be to low which i suppose 
 could be too weak when cold and on full throttle.
 I'd expect to hear some pinking on full throttle though.
 If it was stuck closed it would be way to rich with black plugs.
 As somebody else mentioned, a very dirty fuel filter could also cause it to 
 run weak.
 
 Jim
 
 
 On 02/09/2012 12:28, Critter wrote:
 I like random guesses
 
 How can I check the pressure regulator ?
 
 On a previous thread somebody reported positive pressure when taking
 the fuel cap off.  I have always had this on both the H4 and an escort
 dont know if this is symptomatic of my issue, just trying to think it
 through.
 
 I have replaced the regulator a couple of years ago when trying to
 track down a previous problem.
 
 Many thanks
 
 Trevor
 
 On Aug 31, 6:43 pm, Matthew Wastell matt...@wastell.eu wrote:
 Random guess - fuel
 Pressure regulator?
 
 M
 
 On 31 Aug 2012, at 13:56, Critter trev.cr...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi All,
 Ok a bit of an update.
 I have reset the ecu by disconnecting the battery overnight and the as
 Jim said I let it to tickover until the fan kicked in.
 It appears to have made little difference.  I took it for a spin
 yesterday when the engine was warm and the slight Hesitation past
 7/8ths throttle was still present a bit like a mid range flat spot but
 at the top end.
 This morning I went out in the car and from cold the judder was still
 there.
 Once the car had warmed up I disconnected the MAF sensor and as Jim
 said it seem to make not a lot of difference.  The only difference I
 could note was that after pulling up at the traffic lights and when I
 also pulled onto my driveway.  The engine momentarily struggled to
 settle into a tickover i.e. the engine revs hunted very low, almost to
 stalling before settling down.
 Many Thanks
 Trevor
 On Aug 29, 6:06 pm, Susan and Martin Scott
 susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk wrote:
 ISTR the fuel enritchment is via the temp sensor, so if the enrichment 
 wasn't happening due to poor/no signal reading could this be the cause? 
 Over to JIm?
   - Original Message -
   From: Critter
   To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:53 PM
   Subject: [Quantum Owners] Hesitation on acceleration
   Hi All,
   I am experiencing a judder when accelerating away from cold on partial 
 throttle, including when the outside temperature is mild but the engine 
 is cold.  This only last for approx 200 yds (M) If I floor the throttle 
 the car pulls away fine.  I just look an idiot either pulling away from 
 home like a kangeroo or like a boy racer.
   When the car is warmed up, acceleration is great from partial to 7/8ths 
 open, but if I open up full throttle it feels like the engine is holding 
 back, but not miss firing. i.e. Hesitant.
   I have swopped the Idle control valve for a good spare

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Question For The Electronics Whizzkids

[Matthew Wastell]

Jim showed me how to do that with two normal relays. Was in the context of 
something completely different to cars though (water pumping system). I assume 
two normal relays is not considered expensive. 

I'm sure halfords or maplins did a fake alarm kit for about a fiver. If they 
still do might be simply easier to get one of those?

M



On 5 Sep 2012, at 05:57, Alan alanmcgore2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Could always use a latching relay, that will change state in response to a 
 momentary signal and keep its state without being constantly powered. They're 
 not that cheap though. 
 
 On Monday, September 3, 2012 9:04:03 PM UTC+1, Andy Cowley (Q2-379) wrote:
 My 2+2 has central locking fitted (no alarm)  doesn't have a warning LED. 
 
 I've got a flashing LED that I was going to wire in so that it came on when 
 the ignition was switched off, but am wondering whether I could connect it to 
 the wiring via a switching relay so that it came on when the car was locked  
 went off when it was unlocked.
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 Cheers
 
 Andy
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Hesitation on acceleration

[Matthew Wastell]

Don't forget to do an ECU reset after swapping sensors, any dodgy connections 
have been known to seemingly scramble their learning tables. 

M



On 2 Sep 2012, at 17:06, Critter trev.cr...@virginmedia.com wrote:

 Hope the fuel lines have not perished!!
  
 I couldn't find my cheap mechnical tyre pressure gauge and didn't want to put 
 fuel into my plugin air compressor.
  
 So I followed my latest trend and swapped the fuel regulator for a good one.
 I checked the ecu temperature sensor and found some dodgey connections (see 
 photos) so guess what I swapped the connector.
  
 Took the car out, (its hard to drive with your fingers crossed).
  
 Same result, the kangeroo was in the boot and when flooring it up a lovely 
 straight duel carriageway near me, I prooved it still accelerates better at 
 7/8ths throttle than 8/8ths.
  
 Not much left to swap
  
 If I get time tomorrow I will try and swap the water temp sensor and maybe 
 the air temperature on too.
  
 Don't get me wrong the car still goes like stink, its just annoying.
  
 Many thanks
  
 Trevpr
 On Sunday, 2 September 2012 15:25:50 UTC+1, reckless_b wrote:
 Would it be possible for the fuel lines to be restricted due to perishing  
 caused by the addition of ethanol to todays fuel.
  Bill
  
  Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 04:28:16 -0700
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Hesitation on acceleration
  From: trev@virginmedia.com
  To: quantu...@googlegroups.com
  
  I like random guesses
  
  How can I check the pressure regulator ?
  
  On a previous thread somebody reported positive pressure when taking
  the fuel cap off. I have always had this on both the H4 and an escort
  dont know if this is symptomatic of my issue, just trying to think it
  through.
  
  I have replaced the regulator a couple of years ago when trying to
  track down a previous problem.
  
  Many thanks
  
  Trevor
  
  On Aug 31, 6:43 pm, Matthew Wastell matt...@wastell.eu wrote:
   Random guess - fuel
   Pressure regulator?
  
   M
  
   On 31 Aug 2012, at 13:56, Critter trev.cr...@virginmedia.com wrote:
  
  
  
Hi All,
  
Ok a bit of an update.
  
I have reset the ecu by disconnecting the battery overnight and the as
Jim said I let it to tickover until the fan kicked in.
  
It appears to have made little difference.  I took it for a spin
yesterday when the engine was warm and the slight Hesitation past
7/8ths throttle was still present a bit like a mid range flat spot but
at the top end.
  
This morning I went out in the car and from cold the judder was still
there.
  
Once the car had warmed up I disconnected the MAF sensor and as Jim
said it seem to make not a lot of difference.  The only difference I
could note was that after pulling up at the traffic lights and when I
also pulled onto my driveway.  The engine momentarily struggled to
settle into a tickover i.e. the engine revs hunted very low, almost to
stalling before settling down.
  
Many Thanks
  
Trevor
  
On Aug 29, 6:06 pm, Susan and Martin Scott
susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk wrote:
ISTR the fuel enritchment is via the temp sensor, so if the enrichment 
wasn't happening due to poor/no signal reading could this be the 
cause? Over to JIm?
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Critter
  To: quantu...@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:53 PM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Hesitation on acceleration
  
  Hi All,
  
  I am experiencing a judder when accelerating away from cold on 
partial throttle, including when the outside temperature is mild but 
the engine is cold.  This only last for approx 200 yds (M) If I floor 
the throttle the car pulls away fine.  I just look an idiot either 
pulling away from home like a kangeroo or like a boy racer.
  
  When the car is warmed up, acceleration is great from partial to 
7/8ths open, but if I open up full throttle it feels like the engine 
is holding back, but not miss firing. i.e. Hesitant.
  
  I have swopped the Idle control valve for a good spare and also the 
throttle position sensor for the same.
  
  I was thinking of disconnecting the battery to reset the ECU but any 
other suggestions?
  
  The car is a H4 with a RS1800 zetec all currently standard.
  
  It has done this for a few months now and I have bought fuel from 
various garages so I don't think its fuel and as the cold fault 
disappears when its warm I don't think its a loose connection.
  
  Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
  
  Kind regards
  
  Trevor
  
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Mileage

[Matthew Wastell]

It's geared off the speedo cable. Probably easiest to replace the speedo and 
odo from the cluster if it's nothing obvious. 

M


On 28 Aug 2012, at 18:03, Sonic H  soni...@hotmail.com wrote:

 My 2+2 odometer has stopped working t oday but I still have the speedo 
 working. How does the odometer work? Any help appreciated.
 
 Regards
 
 Chris H
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Hesitation on acceleration

[Matthew Wastell]

Random guess - fuel
Pressure regulator?

M





On 31 Aug 2012, at 13:56, Critter trev.cr...@virginmedia.com wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 Ok a bit of an update.
 
 I have reset the ecu by disconnecting the battery overnight and the as
 Jim said I let it to tickover until the fan kicked in.
 
 It appears to have made little difference.  I took it for a spin
 yesterday when the engine was warm and the slight Hesitation past
 7/8ths throttle was still present a bit like a mid range flat spot but
 at the top end.
 
 This morning I went out in the car and from cold the judder was still
 there.
 
 Once the car had warmed up I disconnected the MAF sensor and as Jim
 said it seem to make not a lot of difference.  The only difference I
 could note was that after pulling up at the traffic lights and when I
 also pulled onto my driveway.  The engine momentarily struggled to
 settle into a tickover i.e. the engine revs hunted very low, almost to
 stalling before settling down.
 
 Many Thanks
 
 Trevor
 
 On Aug 29, 6:06 pm, Susan and Martin Scott
 susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk wrote:
 ISTR the fuel enritchment is via the temp sensor, so if the enrichment 
 wasn't happening due to poor/no signal reading could this be the cause? Over 
 to JIm?
 
 
 
   - Original Message -
   From: Critter
   To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:53 PM
   Subject: [Quantum Owners] Hesitation on acceleration
 
   Hi All,
 
   I am experiencing a judder when accelerating away from cold on partial 
 throttle, including when the outside temperature is mild but the engine is 
 cold.  This only last for approx 200 yds (M) If I floor the throttle the car 
 pulls away fine.  I just look an idiot either pulling away from home like a 
 kangeroo or like a boy racer.
 
   When the car is warmed up, acceleration is great from partial to 7/8ths 
 open, but if I open up full throttle it feels like the engine is holding 
 back, but not miss firing. i.e. Hesitant.
 
   I have swopped the Idle control valve for a good spare and also the 
 throttle position sensor for the same.
 
   I was thinking of disconnecting the battery to reset the ECU but any other 
 suggestions?
 
   The car is a H4 with a RS1800 zetec all currently standard.
 
   It has done this for a few months now and I have bought fuel from various 
 garages so I don't think its fuel and as the cold fault disappears when its 
 warm I don't think its a loose connection.
 
   Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
 
   Kind regards
 
   Trevor
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Mileage

[Matthew Wastell]

Alternator for rpm was used on older diesels I believe. 

M



On 29 Aug 2012, at 10:08, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:

 the tacho is normally electronic and usually measures the rotational speed 
 of the alternator.
 
 Not on any petrol engine cars i've come across, the tacho measures the speed 
 from the ignition coil pulses.
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: The blue shell rescued last year

[Matthew Wastell]

So what happened / what did they do?

Matthew



On 22 Aug 2012, at 07:01, george pearcegeor...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

 Yes the black shell is on going Ken Needham had the nosecone to repair
 his front damage. Another owner was going to buy the boot lid as his
 was shot but never turned up as soon as we get the red tape out the
 way it too should go back on the road unless something goes wrong. We
 know it is Q No. 48 if anyone out there has any history for this car I
 would be happy to know more of what happened to it  Yes Hans that did
 help I thank you for all your efforts helping me in this matter and
 when we meet I owe you a drink or two
 
 On Aug 21, 10:17 pm, hansdefauwes hansdefau...@hetnet.nl wrote:
 Hi George,
 
 Good news - lets hope it will be on the road for many years to come. . .
 
 It seems that involving the Dutch DVLA did help - and that we solved a case
 of Quantum V5 fraud
 
 regards
 Hans
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 From: george pearcegeor...@hotmail.co.uk
 To: Quantum Owners Group quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:08 PM
 Subject: [Quantum Owners] The blue shell rescued last year
 
 The blue shell one of 2 is now back on the road M O T'd and has its
 original Reg and V5 back just thought I would let anyone interested
 know...
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Morrisons 6p off per litre - rip off

[Matthew Wastell]

Take both with petrol receipt to customer services and ask for the diff back 
:-) asking normally gets in such cases IME. 

M


On 24 Jul 2012, at 22:32, Gary gary_brokensh...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 Just been ripped off.
 Read the small print on the coupon. - you also need your RECEIPT!
 I filled up toppers, would not accept the coupon without the receipt.
 
 Now the coupon will be out of date before I need to fill up again - not best 
 pleased.
 Sorry rant over.
 
 Qless
 Gary
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Xtreme Headlamp woes!

[Matthew Wastell]

I was wondering about this too. Does it make any difference if the car doesn't 
have a middle brake light as standard?

M

On 24 Jul 2012, at 19:07, Chris Young chris.young...@gmail.com wrote:

 From my research I am not sure they are legal. The idea as implemented
 In production cars is that brake or hazards only flash when the car is
 stopping at a rapid rate.
 
 The mot I think I read will fail you if the brake lights aren't solid.
 
 Just from mem when I was reading around and this is why I ended up
 buying something a bit pricey and from a random place!
 
 
 
 On 24/07/2012, Matthew matt...@wastell.eu wrote:
 £25 ish here http://www.flashingbrakelights.co.uk/Auto_Products.html
 I've no experience or connection with this company.
 
 M
 
 On 23 Jul 2012, at 22:47, Chris Young chris.young...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 now don't laugh too much - but once I had the bit between my teeth I had
 to sort out the flashing brake like gizmo.. cost me 111 US dollars in
 total - the extra postage caught me out a bit...
 
 http://simone.ibuy.co.th/249091/TE301E+++TE302E+-+The+3rd+EYE+Adaptive+Brake+Light++ABL++/
 
 i could have sworn there was a English version of the above page but it
 seems to have gone.
 
 this has some reference too
 http://feliogroup.com/pages/adaptive-brake-light  it is the same product -
 i got the te301e  - ie just brake light...
 
 I can let you have the guys email address if you want to talk to him (in
 english!) first..
 
 the transaction was very good, and they marked it as gift too :)
 
 
 
 On 22 July 2012 18:00, Ian Harrison bighatp...@googlemail.com wrote:
 It looks like I have gone for the same LED lights as you to brighten
 things up a bit. I will fit a high level light too, possibly one of the
 Audi  TT Cabrio ones. I like the sound of a gizmo to flash the high level
 one. Have you a link you could send?
 
 I'm just looking forward to getting back on he road now!
 
 Looking at the photo of my light bracket against your, it looks as though
 mine failed like that in the past and they left the broken end on the
 bottom of the bracket... Have to sort that out.
 
 Cheers
 Ian
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 21 Jul 2012, at 20:34, Chris Young chris.young...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I hope you were ok.. but fippin awful. sometimes I hate other drivers.
 
 I went for a drive with a few of the tiger guys and some others turned up
 too.. one of the kit cars smashed into the back of my friends tiger
 avon.. so sometimes it is just gonna happen. he luckily too managed to
 get his to fit cost wise, so the insurance didn't write it off.
 
 around my way (new malden) even back in the days when i had the robin
 hood, the first thing i did was to light up the back of the car like
 blackpool illuminations. too many people round here, even with my extra
 lights have skidded to a stop to the side of me.. they just sit in their
 4x4 too close and look right over the top of me.
 
 i now have some little red leds on the left and right above the quantum
 xtreme lettering, and a third brake light on the spare wheel.
 
 i then made a light bar that hangs under the roll bar.. this has more
 sides, motorbike indicators and 2 wide brake lights together... in the
 hope that people will see from what ever angle!  I also (more for fun
 than anything else) found a bit of wizardry that flashed the middle brake
 lights when you are stopping at a rapid rate.
 
 good move on swapping the engine, a shame you wont do it yourself (i get
 the feel you are a builder as well as driver) but as you say, whilst it
 is in bits I'm pretty jealous as I am still pinto powered! - tho cant
 complain,  it is doing me good at at 6000 miles per year for the last 2
 years I have owned it.. accelerator cables and fuel pumps are another
 matter !
 
 https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/H5QwD2fziV4V8jg3MvK7g9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
 
 if you want to get an idea of the light bar - you will need to zoom in,
 but best picture to hand.
 
 Chris
 
 
 
 
 
 On 20 July 2012 23:21, Ian Harrison bighatp...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Try a Mondeo boot.
 
 Yep, I got torpedoed by a focus that didn't see me stopped on the
 entrance to a roundabout. It destroyed the boot section, twisted the diff
 and suspension frame, killed the fuel tank and pushed the left rollbar
 mount forward 2 inches.
 
 So Kermit is down in kingsbridge having a nice shiny new chassis fitted.
 
 
 The new rear section is out of the mould and construction has started,
 but I imagine that Mark has been a little busy this week.
 
 Whilst the Footman James is more expensive than others they were a dream
 to work with.
 
 I am hoping to get K2 back in the next two weeks. It seemed a shame to
 not make use of the rebuild so the Ferriday pinto is being replaced with
 a blacktop zetec with fuel injection :-)
 
 Ian
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 20 Jul 2012, at 22:34, Chris Young chris.young...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 cheers - they do look much better.
 
 the next pic shows a bigger boot to 

Re: [Quantum Owners] CVH 2 litre Crankshaft Sensor

[Matthew Wastell]

Try this for weird, my car has auto stop start, this stopped working, the fix?  
New rear windscreen. 

I kid you not!
M



On 14 Apr 2004, at 00:17, jon jackson jon.jacks...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 Oh yes modern cars are so wonderful, Our Vectra that we used to own decided 
 not to run and along comes expert with diagnoses  kit.
 We are told that the ECU and crank sensor have both failed, yeek we are 
 talking scrappy take away talk here.
 After replacing sensor to no avail we phoned a real old school electrician 
 who told us to replace fuel pump relay.
 Car started instantly.
 Still I have just got hold of some leather seats from a Vectra that seem just 
 right for the 2+2 and I only paid £30 the pair.
 cheers
 Jon 2+2 RST
 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Hearne
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   
 Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] CVH 2 litre Crankshaft Sensor
 
 The reason that the coil pack can be damaged by faulty plugs, leads or 
 removing a lead with the engine running, is that normally the maximum voltage 
 the coil generates is limited by it jumping across the gap in the sparkplug.
 If there is a break in the HT circuit or somewhere else the voltage out of 
 the coil can go far higher than it's designed to and cause the internal 
 insulation in the coil pack to fail.
 I unplug the injectors in turn instead if i want to do a cylinder test on a 
 EFI engine.
 
 And, the reason that most ECU's can't tell you theres a problem with the 
 crank sensor is that it's the crank sensor that the ecu uses to detect that 
 you are turning the engine over on the starter.
 Without pulses from the crank sensor the ECU has no idea it needs to start 
 generating sparks and injecting fuel, it's sitting there waiting for you.
 
 A crank sensor generates a higher voltage pulse output the faster the engine 
 is turning so if it starts to fail it will often fail next time you try to 
 start the car.
 
 Jim
 
 
 On 11/07/2012 21:59, Derek Clews wrote:
 Thanks Michael,
 
 It was a general recommendation as a preventative from an AA mechanic.  He 
 said the bulk of the engine breakdowns on modern cars can be fixed by 
 replacing the coil pack or the crank sensor and they carry quite a number on 
 each van as a result.  He said they can be affected by heat and age.  Also 
 they cannot use a computer connection for most cars so are back to trial and 
 error, backed by experience!  
 
 Interestingly, he also said the AA recommend that if a coil pack has been 
 found faulty and replaced, the plugs and leads should also be replaced as it 
 is possible a problem with these could cause the coil pack to fail in the 
 first place. Also rough handling like pulling off the plug leads when the 
 engine is running can cause problems.  (Did not do that!)  Makes the modern 
 systems seem very fragile.  
 
 To support his view, the only time we had a breakdown in the old Punto my 
 son learned to drive on it was the crank sensor that failed.  Basically it 
 drove normally, parked up and would not start again, no fuel   no spark.  
 But of course the car would not tell you what the problem was so you are 
 stuck with having to use a garage - that's why I like older cars!  The basic 
 CVH will still run with the distributer loose, carb faults or whatever - not 
 very well, but it will run!  Still, I am learning new ways.. part of the 
 fun of this particular project coupe. 
 
 Derek
 
 
 
 On 11 Jul 2012, at 19:46, michaelhughe...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Your information might be correct but from my experience with a 1.6 turbo 
 CVH the weakest link might well be the connector rather than the sensor 
 itself.  Michael
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Squeaky discs

[Matthew Wastell]

I can't offer any real advise except to think the pads are dragging on the 
discs. 

However I am really interested to know the overall outcome, costs and if the 
kit is still available. 

I've never been overly happy with the brakes and I think overall feel will be 
better with rear discs even if stopping power does not change so much 
(certainly changing other rear drummed vehicles has made a noticeable 
difference)

Good luck


On 9 Jul 2012, at 11:08, TOM WALKER tom.bl...@virgin.net wrote:

 Last summer I finally did the full rear-disc conversion using the Fiesta 
 Centre kit and clappers from a Ford Grandad.
 All works fine, as in the car passed the MOT and slows down when I press the 
 middle pedal.
 However, they squeak when no brake pressure is applied - like a 
 chirp-chirp-chirp at roadspeed which is very noticable with the roof down 
 when passing a wall or other structure which reflects the sound back.  If I 
 apply a click or two of handbrake, or just ride the brake gently then the 
 chirping stops, but obviously this isn't a particularly efficient way of 
 getting about.
 Any ideas as to what to do?  I'm guessing I need to take up some slack 
 somewhere with a spring or something, but I'm not sure where to start.  Maybe 
 it's something that will go away eventually as the discs bed in better (only 
 200 miles this year - thanks British Summer)?
  
  
  
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[Quantum Owners] Flooding

[Matthew Wastell]

I'm sat here in 'sunny' northern Germany and just heard about the UKs flooding. 

So how are quantums doing? Anyone fitted a snorkel yet or have some good pics?

Hope everyone is well and not too badly affected. 

Matthew

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Insurance time

[Matthew Wastell]

I've unfortunately had quite a few insurance claims in the past. None with the 
quantum. 

In my experience it has been easiest to skip the broker and go direct to the 
insurance company it generally speeds up claims, I've had complete loss payouts 
in 2 weeks doing it this way, best via broker was 2-3 months. 

M



On 13 Jun 2012, at 16:39, philfi2clean cleaning philfi2cl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Whilst the service may be excellent.i wouldnt pay £423 extra pounds for 
 the said service . Ok im not a member of the club yet but even their price 
 nearly £150 more expensive  than im paying now.
 
 On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Graham Forrest forre...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 I had the quote for £246
 , they would not reduce the price so went to Adrian Flux and paid £110
  
 regards
 Graham
 From: Ian Harrison bighatp...@googlemail.com
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, 3:41
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Insurance time
 
 Steve raises a good point here. I had to claim earlier in the year and the 
 service I received was excellent. 
 
 Ian
 
 Sent from my sofa
 
 On 12 Jun 2012, at 22:40, Steve Kodz st...@h4-turbo.co.uk wrote:
 
  Interesting to hear about all the FJ insurance niggles on price and I'm 
  sure 
  Andy Heaton is reading and taking note.  Those at the AGM will know that 
  Andy has been trying to improve the service and quotes for the club scheme 
  and is considering a possible change of supplier, if they don't improve.
  
  In defence of the FJ price, I have yet to hear about a bad experience when 
  the insurance has actually been used, ie making a claim or breakdown 
  recovery.  I've never needed to make a claim myself, but know those that 
  have usually accepted a very good offer and received the money quickly.  
  While that doesn't necessarily justify such a high price, you need to 
  consider whether it is worth paying a bit more for a high level of service? 
   
  In the end it boils down to how much you value your time, etc.  That's not 
  to say that the other companies mentioned wouldn't provide the same high 
  level of service.
  
  I can comment on the breakdown recovery service, having use it in Ireland 
  and in the UK.  The service has always been acceptable at a minimum and 
  never given me additional problems.
  
  Keep the comments rolling in as we will talk about the issue you raise on 
  Saturday at our next committee meeting.
  
  Regards,
  Steve
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  On Tuesday 12 Jun 2012, jin wrote:
  im with frank pickles
  last year £115
  this year £97
  
  no change on my part, im 32 with 3 naughty boy points too
  
  On Jun 12, 7:01 pm, bill green bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
  I first heard about these from ny neighbour, he had built a MK and got
  a good price, I tried them for my rickman and it was half the price of
  my previous insurer and get this, the same insurance company, both
  where with Highway. plus they don't try to sell me house  insurance
  
  From: adrianjhopk...@btinternet.com
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Insurance time
  Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:25:23 +0100
  
  I paid £118 with Adrian Flux for 4,500 miles
  I am well over 25 lol..
  Again - without the added benefits
  
  AJ
  
  
  
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  From: Jim Hearne
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Insurance time
  
  I’ll have to see if i can get a non club price from FJ.
  
  Jim
  
  From: TOM WALKER
  Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:40 PM
  To: quantumown...@googlegroups..com
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Insurance time
  
  I insured with FJ this year for £156 - and I'm not a member of the
  club.  Go figure??
  
  On 12 June 2012 12:15, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:
  
  Actually, £246.98 is the FJ club price this year, it's gone up a lot.
  I've not renewed mine with yet as getting quotes from other places.
  I'll try your place, like you, i don't need any of the extras that FJ
  include.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Jim
  
  -Original Message- From: reckless_b
  Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:11 PM
  To: Quantum Owners Group
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Insurance time
  
  Hi folks, its insurance renewal time again and as usual FJ's quote
  does not take into account membership, coming in at £246.98.
  I gave the insurerers of my rickman a call before commiting myself to
  FJ again, lucky I did really as there quote was £90, fully comp but
  without all the extras that FJ include, although I haven't used any of
  the extras in the last 5 years I've also set a milage of 5000 but I
  only use the car six months anyway.
  If anyone is interested the company I used was  2gether financial
  phone 01945 465508.
  
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Distributor identification

[Matthew Wastell]

Hi,

Did you take a look at the link I sent?  Whilst it mentioned the Mk3 Escort,
it also says that it fits the XR2, I wonder how they account for the
different setups that you mentioned.  Anyway I've leave you with funny old
tech.. I like electronics ;-)

As to the advance, if you get it wrong, you should be able to hear it, too
much advance and a metallic rattling noise can be heard... Not enough and it
will feel under powered.  As far as I can tell, on the rolling road, they
advance your engine until they can hear it over a pair of headphones, with
mic attached to the engine block somewhere (I should have asked to have a
listen, it can't be that hard!)  They then back it off a smidge.  Stupidly
on my first RR session I filled up with 99 octane.  I'm really not bothered
about the ultimate power (it's already got far too much), just want it safe
and reliable and not about to eat itself!.

Good luck with it all

M



-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of jin
Sent: 07 June 2012 19:24
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Distributor identification

Not one to give up, ive done some digging around and found some useful info
I thought id share (sorry if its old hat and you already know this, but I
found it interesting non the less)

the distributor I have bought for the bargain sum of £10 is (as was
confirmed by jim) from a 1.3 escort, this is indicated by the part number
41982J, it would appear that 84SF 12100- is the generic part number for ford
/ Lucas distributors of this type and W7  54404307 is the Lucas distributor
body casting number.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79991199@N07/7347344374/

3788 indicates it was made in week 37 in 1988.
Comparing this to two known XR2 distributors I have in my possession show
part numbers as 42607

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79991199@N07/7347344910/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79991199@N07/7162135095/

as confirmed here
http://www.starchak.ca/tech/pdfs/lucas.pdf
page 19 – 6th from the bottom.
and on page 16 about 1/3 down shows the info for the 1.3 unit for comparison

  ……So it would appear this new distributor is unsuitable for my engine ……Or
is it?

  After some research I found out that the only differing components between
any two service numbers in the same distributor family are …
1 The cam with a stamped maximum mechanical advance figure
2 the Two small bob weight springs,
3 the vacuum advance diaphragm
So opening up my new distributor shows a maximum mechanical advance of
13 degrees which equates to 26 degrees crankshaft advance

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79991199@N07/7162134391/

(This would usually occur at 1500 distributor rpm = 3000 engine rpm Looking
into both known XR2 distributor shows a maximum mechanical advance of 11 and
10.5 degrees which equates to 22 degrees crankshaft advance

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79991199@N07/7162136413/

The difference of 4 degrees may or may not be pushing the limit of maximum
advance even though factory advance curves are conservative as standard, Its
beyond my know-how to jugde and i don’t want to be panicking each time I go
over 3000rpm, so I decided to swap the cam and springs over as one unit
though you could just swap either depending on what you want to achieve,
being careful unhooking the springs so not to over stretch them

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79991199@N07/7347345182/

  Ive also calculated that 0.4mm on or off the cam stop equates to 1 degree
of distributor advance or retard, so this can be fine tuned by filing down
or building up by welding on a blob to suit, if so required The bob weights
are the same across the distributor model range with the difference in
advance curve characteristics being made via the springs, the photo below
shows the difference in primary and secondary between the 1.3 version and
the XR2 version

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79991199@N07/7162138009/

The differing properties between spring types are as follows
1 Wire diameter;
2 Body diameter;
3 Number of coils;
4 Free length between end loops
the biggest difference between the 1.3 springs and the xr2 springs is in the
shape of the secondary advance spring which can be seen to have fewer coils
and a slightly longer free length on the XR2 version, and using nothing more
technical than my fingers I can tell that the XR2 secondary spring is
stronger than the 1.3 spring.

this gives the property of both a shallower and later secondary curve over
the more gradual 1.3  curve, this is controlled by the there being much less
free length in the 1.3 secondary spring meaning that it comes into tension
much earlier in the advance curve.

 The primary spring is always in full control until the secondary spring
engages. The point of engagement is determined by the free length of the
secondary spring.
all the info above is just based on what can be seen with the naked eye and
confirmed by other sources, this is by no means any technical 

Re: [Quantum Owners] Distributor identification

[Matthew Wastell]

I think it fits


... In the box!

Seriously how about this?
http://www.ignitioncarparts.co.uk/PartLists.aspx?PerformSearch=manufacturercodeSearchValue=84SF-12100-MA

However, buying something you've no idea what it fits, barmier than a chocolate 
covered fish!  I've some prop shafts in my garage, landrover, no idea which - 
yours for a bargain ;-)

M



On 4 Jun 2012, at 17:52, jin jinmys...@btinternet.com wrote:

 84SF 12100-MA 8JB
 41982J 3788

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Zetec-ed

[Matthew Wastell]

 experience! Your motto: more power, more fun
 defenately sticks with me!
 
 Thanks again for the input, would be pleased with maps.
 
 Cheers,
 Rolf
 
 On 15 mei, 14:33, Matthew Wastell matt...@wastell.eu wrote:
 Nice one!
 
 If and when you do switch to MS I've probably still got my RS1800 maps
 available, although saying that I can't remember if we only put the MS
 on
 the 2000 engine. I'm using the original MS board.  (Jim correct me if
 I'm
 wrong)  Either way the map should be pretty close.  The only thing to
 watch
 out for is most of the base maps available for zetecs use a 2 squirt per
 cycle injection method (or was it 4?).  This is best for emissions, but
 does
 not allow quite enough resolution on idle if you use larger injectors.
 Switching it to a 1 squirt per cycle (or was it 2?),  fixes that but you
 have to mess about with the maps a little bit.  If you are planning any
 upgrades later, I'd switch it as early as possible.
 
 Watch your intake air temps when the weather is warm, I found I was
 pulling
 in 50 or 60 degrees air with the air filter where you have it, and on a
 very
 hot day it would not be happy when on the motorway (hot tarmac and hot
 air
 sitting just above it) plus all the hot air from the radiator.  I added
 a
 couple of bonnet vents and later switched to an enclosed KN appolo with
 a
 cold feed just above the side light.  I also switched to a Turbo engine
 at
 the same time which adds lots of heat, but I'm sure the overall temps
 are
 significantly reduced.
 
 One annoying thing I found with the RS1800 ECU was that it tries to keep
 the
 revs a bit higher when there is any speed detected- I was doing my
 advanced
 driver training at the time, and you are meant to break and reduce the
 speed
 in gear, and only change gear when the braking was done.  If you were in
 5th
 and trying to break down to say 20-30mph, the engine would fight and try
 to
 keep the revs around 1500 rpm minimum I recall.  Disconnecting the speed
 sensor fixed that and did not seem to have any detrimental effects
 elsewhere.
 
 The original rev counter I found over read by about 500rpm, which
 explained
 why I found it hard to get it to idle well as I was tuning it to tick
 over
 at 650rpm!  I should have realised reading the MS gauges.  I can't
 remember
 if we did it with the Ford ECU but with the MS we bent out the throttle
 stop
 by a tiny amount before I figured out the code to control the idle speed
 control vale, that may also help you with the Ford ECU.
 
 I know it's perhaps too late now, but one interesting thing, was when I
 swapped from RS1800 to 2000 zetec, overall fuel consumption improved.
 Like
 wise when switching to MS.
 
 Hope you get lots of nice days to enjoy it.
 
 Matthew
 
 From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Rolf
 Sent: 14 May 2012 19:54
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [Quantum Owners] Zetec-ed
 
 Another zetec conversion has been done!
 
 I am happy to say my 2+2 is now equipped with a RS1800 engine. The plan
 was
 to fit my Megasquirt ecu, but due to lack of time for new MOT, I decided
 to
 fit an XR2i ecu for now.
 
 It is a very basic ecu, but does the trick. It makes it posible to
 attach
 the Mega at any time straight onto the existing loom.
 
 As you can see in the pics, I didn't have to modify the subframe too
 much,
 just the upper bar for camcover clearance.
 
 By replacing the multi-V pulley to old fashion V pulley, with a
 crackshaft
 pulley from a PSA engine, and cvh cranckshaftwheel, there is enough
 space
 to
 clear the frame.
 
 Also the alternator on bespoke brackets with mini spanner is a new zetec
 version, but fitted with a cvh wheel.
 
 All in all is it a combination of (XR2i) cvh and zetec parts, so when
 you're
 going this route : store everything, until the project is finished!
 
 Still some minor issues to clear, but went to work with no problems,
 altough
 idleing when cold is not perfect yet.
 
 Rolf
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Zetec-ed

[Matthew Wastell]

Sorry missed the bit about mismatched ECU. That'll do it ;-)



On 19 May 2012, at 11:34, Matthew Wastell matt...@wastell.eu wrote:

 The ecu can get in a twist. You need to reset it then follow the 'official' 
 start up procedure which of course I can't remember!
 
 M
 
 
 
 On 19 May 2012, at 08:11, Rolf rol...@12move.nl wrote:
 
 Just one remark: You're right, Jim! (AgainGetting bored, not?)
 
 Making a new terminal in the EDIS connector and 4 inches of wire did
 the trick.
 Rev meter now ok, if a bit unstable at high revs.
 But it did went to nearly 7K, a bit optimistic, perhaps?
 
 Fitted also elecrtic fan again, but due to lack of space, not the
 escort one coming with the rad, but the old XR2 one.
 New bracketry again..
 
 The engine runs much better than a few days earlier, but when cold,
 it's a disaster.
 No power and fidling with the throttle , after may be 2 minutes it
 gets better.
 Any ideas on this?
 (Looks like the ecu doesn't get into warming-up mode to do the cold
 start enrichment.)
 
 Thanks you all for your (nice)  comments,
 Rolf
 
 
 
 On 17 mei, 09:53, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:
 If the EDIS and wiring loom was from a XR2i CVH then i think you'll find
 that the green rev counter wire is just connected to one of the coils, Ford
 recalibrated the rev counters to handle only half the pulses.
 On the Zetecs they decided this was a bad idea (i agree) and used a
 dedicated ECU output with the normal number of pulses again.
 
 If you connect your rev counter to pin 11 on the EDIS module then it should
 work ok.
 You will probably need to get an extra pin from a spare EDIS connector as
 it's probably not fitted.
 Remove the suppressor if it's fitted inline with the green wire near the
 coil, you don't need it now you aren't connecting to an actual coil wire.
 
 Jim
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Rolf
 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:22 PM
 To: Quantum Owners Group
 Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Zetec-ed
 
 The green wire from Edis is dedicated to the rev counter and i did use
 that, but apparently it does not give the correct signal to the
 standard mk2dash revcounter. Have I missed something?   Pin 11 is a
 CTO, clean tacho output, is the one I used.
 Otherwise, may be the twocoil-diode solution will work, when the
 signal is taken from the coils directly.
 
 Rolf
 On 16 mei, 09:40, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:
 On the existing Ford system i guess you have the external EDIS module
 driving the coil pack ?, this has a correct rev counter output on an
 unused
 pin, i forget which pin now but you can find the pinout on the net.
 Once you have the MS it has a dedicated rev counter output.
 
 Jim
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Rolf
 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:42 PM
 To: Quantum Owners Group
 Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Zetec-ed
 
 Very informative, Matthew.
 
 It is quite an engine: this used to propell McCarthy's Ginetta G20 in
 the 2007 one make raceseries and is virtually new.
 It raced three races at the end of the season and won all three,
 before this engine option was banned for the next season.
 The engine used to have bespoke rwd parts, but they had to go in order
 to fit the Quantum, of course. All in all, it took me nearly a year to
 get all th eright parts and to change parts and find the right
 waterpump pulley.
 
 I recognise certain aspects of the situations you mention: the Ford
 ECU does tend to rise the revs when rolling for example.
 The ECU I am using now is probably not the correct one for this engine
 in Ford terms (XR2i, 8V), but understanding the MS, you know what's
 happening inside.  It does self learn in certain situations, but
 only when the engine is at operating temperature and with the O2
 sensor as a reference.
 So, how does it do that at cold idling speed? Today I did the
 recalibration at working temperature of the idlingspeed, setting the
 base speed (@700rpm) and determined the normal idlingspeed (@900rpm)
 following Haynes instructions.
 See if the engine doesn't stall anymore when reversing.
 
 The revcounter needs to be adjusted , still, with two diodes, because
 of the two coils instead of one. It is on my to do list.
 
 Because the escort rad is somewhat deeper than the cvh one, the
 nosecone didn't fit! That's not amusing at 11pm, the day before MOT.
 So, I ditched the electric fan in fafour of some freshly made brackets
 to take the rad further in the car and asked the missus to help me fit
 the nosecone. When everything fitted, we took a well deserved drink!
 Mot with no problems at all! Even got a discount! So the electric fan
 is also on my to do  list. Yours is on the front of the rad, I see.
 (old pics in Jims site, before turbo-era)
 
 So intake temperatures could be rather high, with the filter next to
 the battery, behind the rad. Not sure I can fit a cool-air hose from
 underneath to the filter. Will see to that.
 On your car, there's no battery in the subframe, the filtercasing
 taking up

RE: [Quantum Owners] Zetec-ed

[Matthew Wastell]

Nice one!

 

If and when you do switch to MS I've probably still got my RS1800 maps
available, although saying that I can't remember if we only put the MS on
the 2000 engine. I'm using the original MS board.  (Jim correct me if I'm
wrong)  Either way the map should be pretty close.  The only thing to watch
out for is most of the base maps available for zetecs use a 2 squirt per
cycle injection method (or was it 4?).  This is best for emissions, but does
not allow quite enough resolution on idle if you use larger injectors.
Switching it to a 1 squirt per cycle (or was it 2?),  fixes that but you
have to mess about with the maps a little bit.  If you are planning any
upgrades later, I'd switch it as early as possible.

 

Watch your intake air temps when the weather is warm, I found I was pulling
in 50 or 60 degrees air with the air filter where you have it, and on a very
hot day it would not be happy when on the motorway (hot tarmac and hot air
sitting just above it) plus all the hot air from the radiator.  I added a
couple of bonnet vents and later switched to an enclosed KN appolo with a
cold feed just above the side light.  I also switched to a Turbo engine at
the same time which adds lots of heat, but I'm sure the overall temps are
significantly reduced.

 

One annoying thing I found with the RS1800 ECU was that it tries to keep the
revs a bit higher when there is any speed detected- I was doing my advanced
driver training at the time, and you are meant to break and reduce the speed
in gear, and only change gear when the braking was done.  If you were in 5th
and trying to break down to say 20-30mph, the engine would fight and try to
keep the revs around 1500 rpm minimum I recall.  Disconnecting the speed
sensor fixed that and did not seem to have any detrimental effects
elsewhere.

 

The original rev counter I found over read by about 500rpm, which explained
why I found it hard to get it to idle well as I was tuning it to tick over
at 650rpm!  I should have realised reading the MS gauges.  I can't remember
if we did it with the Ford ECU but with the MS we bent out the throttle stop
by a tiny amount before I figured out the code to control the idle speed
control vale, that may also help you with the Ford ECU.

 

I know it's perhaps too late now, but one interesting thing, was when I
swapped from RS1800 to 2000 zetec, overall fuel consumption improved.  Like
wise when switching to MS.

 

Hope you get lots of nice days to enjoy it.

Matthew

 

 

 

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Rolf
Sent: 14 May 2012 19:54
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Zetec-ed

 

Another zetec conversion has been done!

I am happy to say my 2+2 is now equipped with a RS1800 engine. The plan was
to fit my Megasquirt ecu, but due to lack of time for new MOT, I decided to
fit an XR2i ecu for now.

It is a very basic ecu, but does the trick. It makes it posible to attach
the Mega at any time straight onto the existing loom.

As you can see in the pics, I didn't have to modify the subframe too much,
just the upper bar for camcover clearance. 

By replacing the multi-V pulley to old fashion V pulley, with a crackshaft
pulley from a PSA engine, and cvh cranckshaftwheel, there is enough space to
clear the frame.

Also the alternator on bespoke brackets with mini spanner is a new zetec
version, but fitted with a cvh wheel. 

All in all is it a combination of (XR2i) cvh and zetec parts, so when you're
going this route : store everything, until the project is finished!

Still some minor issues to clear, but went to work with no problems, altough
idleing when cold is not perfect yet. 

 

Rolf

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Am I the last one to notice

[Matthew Wastell]

France = 50mg, UK = 80mg.

 

 

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of michaelhughe...@aol.com
Sent: 02 April 2012 00:22
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Am I the last one to notice

 

In a message dated 01/04/2012 10:15:15 GMT Daylight Time,
derek_cl...@lineone.net writes:

Using something like that usually means you are drinking and want to do so
to the limit 

 

I believe the current limit in France is so low that if you have a pint of
beer on the ferry you might well be over the limit by the time you get
there.

 

The other important thing to note is that, like the MOT, a clear reading on
a breathalyser is only good for that moment in time.

 

A friend of mine was stopped by the police in Chelsea one evening,
breathalysed, and got a clear reading. He asked the policeman if he was OK
to drive to his home some 25 miles away, 'I have no idea Sir' was the
response.' You told me you had a drink with your meal this evening, you
could be over the limit by the time you get there'

 

Michael

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 3 times stronger?

[Matthew Wastell]

As explained to me glass fibre splits and cracks splits and cracks each time 
absorbing energy. It's a similar story with wood. Metal does not do that, 
energy is absorbed when it bends instead. This is why they build crumple zones 
into metal cars. It's nothing to do with its strength, in fact it sounds like 
the opposite of strength.  

I honestly think the it was better outcome than steel is a load of rubbish. 
We are not crashing in scientific test conditions and only have general 
anecdotal evidence. For sure there were some big crashes and luckily people 
have been fine. However I also know similar cases for metal cars. There is 
simply lack of data for quantums due to low numbers. 

On the other end of the scale I had an accident in my 2+2, i touched an earth 
bank when manoeuvring it resulted it nasty crazing and 'faults' in the fibre 
glass, the same in my normal car and nothing at all happened. 

M





On 22 Mar 2012, at 18:13, Steve Kodz st...@h4-turbo.co.uk wrote:

 I can't specifically back up the 3 times stronger figure, but does this 
 help?
 
 www.h4-turbo.co.uk/Quantum/Saloon/Pics/Strong%20Stuff.jpg
 
 There are plenty of stories about big accidents in Quantums, all of those 
 I've heard resulted in a better outcome compared to tin cans, however this 
 might not be the car if 2 grp cars had an accident.
 
 Regards,
 Steve
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 On Thursday 22 Mar 2012, jin wrote:
 ok, so a bit random
 but i was talking to a passer by who was intrigued about what i was up
 to in the garage so i showed him the fruits of my labour, while
 impressed he did offer up the numpty response of ohh i wouldn’t want
 to go fast in a plastic car
 i tried in vain to convince him otherwise but im unsure if the penny
 dropped.
 now, ive heard it mentioned that fiberglass is weight for weight
 approx. 3 times stronger than steel, so since the 2+2 is roughly the
 same weight as the fiesta, does that make it 3 times stronger?
 Discuss…
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 3 times stronger?

[Matthew Wastell]

Then there was the pug 205 that flipped three times in my road in reading 
writing off several cars and the bloke simply walked away without any 
scratches.  There is always some survival stories if you look ;-)

Stay safe boys and girls and don't crash ;-)

On 23 Mar 2012, at 10:06, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:

 What about the 2+2 that was hit from the rear by a HGV, shot into the air and 
 hit 2 cars in a garage forecourt.
 The only injury to the occupants were cuts on there heads from the hood 
 catchs.
 
 Somebody recently rolled a saloon in Scotland as well.
 
 The difference between a Quantum and a Reliant Robin is the thickness of the 
 fibreglass, the Quantum is much much thicker.
 
 Jim
 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:13 PM
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 3 times stronger?
 
 I can't specifically back up the 3 times stronger figure, but does this
 help?
 
 www.h4-turbo.co.uk/Quantum/Saloon/Pics/Strong%20Stuff.jpg
 
 There are plenty of stories about big accidents in Quantums, all of those
 I've heard resulted in a better outcome compared to tin cans, however this
 might not be the car if 2 grp cars had an accident.
 
 Regards,
 Steve
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 www.quantumowners.co.uk
 www.quantumcars.co.uk
 www.quantumkitcars.co.uk
 www.quantumheritage.co.uk
 
 On Thursday 22 Mar 2012, jin wrote:
 ok, so a bit random
 but i was talking to a passer by who was intrigued about what i was up
 to in the garage so i showed him the fruits of my labour, while
 impressed he did offer up the numpty response of ohh i wouldn’t want
 to go fast in a plastic car
 i tried in vain to convince him otherwise but im unsure if the penny
 dropped.
 now, ive heard it mentioned that fiberglass is weight for weight
 approx. 3 times stronger than steel, so since the 2+2 is roughly the
 same weight as the fiesta, does that make it 3 times stronger?
 Discuss…
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Fw: 2+2 handling problem

[Matthew Wastell]

The LSD will tend to pull it into the corner more from my limited experience. 

M



On 22 Mar 2012, at 23:08, jon jackson jon.jacks...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 
 - Original Message - From: jon jackson jon.jacks...@ntlworld.com
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 11:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Fw: 2+2 handling problem
 
 
 Thanks Bobby I reckon you are right and a change to adjustable or very good 
 shocks (they seemed fine when I changed springs last year) and stiffer XR2 
 springs would be a start.
 Yes Tony a good idea to look here too if I had not already done so, the car 
 is set at 0 deg but I have heard that a slight toe out is normal for FWD 
 cars.
 I drove the little blighter again today and gave it some throttle on a left 
 hander and found it pulled in harder into the corner, so I am wrong when I 
 say a FWD should understeer when nailed. Maybe the turbo torque steer causes 
 this strange behaviour.
 Would an LSD cure it?
 Perhaps I have just grown too old to drive fast any more and should get my 
 Zimmer frame out.
 Thanks lads
 Jon
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 To: Quantum Owners Group quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:30 AM
 Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Fw: 2+2 handling problem
 
 
 One obvious thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet, and I apologise
 if teaching granny the art of egg-sucking, but did you get the
 tracking re-set after changing the front shocks?
 
 After changing the front shocks on my saloon, shortly after I got it,
 I was experiencing some pretty bad handling, although the only other
 sign of a problem was accelerated inner tyre wear.
 Old-old-Q told me the tyre wear was normal on a saloon - probably
 due to the extreme 4deg camber angle at the front.
 
 This won't help with your back end problems, but it's a start.
 
 What tyres are you using?  I found to my cost on the Latham that
 Firestones are dreadful, I now run Bridgestones and these made a
 massive difference.
 
 TonyV.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Mar 22, 7:47 am, bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk
 bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 Hi Jon,
 I have standard XR2 front and 1100 fiesta rear shocks and springs on
 mine with Toyo R888s and although I've still to try a track day, I have
 driven it VERY hard on the road. The handling is very predictable and
 sure footed. However, when I first got the car it performed very
 similar to the way you describe - when I removed the front struts,
 there was almost no resistance in them at all and the spirings had
 compressed to almost an inch shorter (they weren't lowered ones). The
 suspension change coupled with replacing 10 year old tyres transformed
 the car. It still runs on rubber bushes as well - My point is that we
 all know that the 2+2 can be a really good handling car, so it's not an
 inherent design fault of the model, therfore you need to have a good
 look at everything on your car - nuts, bolts, bushes, springs, dampers,
 etc, etc.
 
 Cheers
 
 Bob Craig
 
 Original Message
 From: jon.jacks...@ntlworld.com
 Date: 21/03/2012 23:24
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Subj: Re: [Quantum Owners] Fw: 2+2 handling problem
 
 Well thanks Bobby and Michael, yes it was a case of lift off oversteer
 
 which in normal cases when driving something like a 205 pug (of which I
 have many track miles experience of) means you just reapply throttle
 till understeer and then lighten said throttle, however the Quantum
 joggles about and does not settle in any direction making it a car that
 requires constant action to guide where you want it, and this time the
 oversteer took over savagely.
 
 Heavy acceleration would on no account make a FWD car oversteer unless
 
 something broke!
 
 I may sound big headed but actually had 2 lap records and a Hill
 
 record to my name so on no acccount would I heavy brake on a corner
 either.
 
 I would say it was almost a problem on the road too as my Mondeo
 
 handles and corners far better.
 
 Plus adding weight as suggested until the car is dulled down !! is not
 
 an option.
 
 I can live with the torque steer from the turbo power happily, its the
 
 basic feel that is the problem.
 
 Perhaps the only way is to play with spring rates and get a set of
 
 adjustable shocks.
 
 The Quantum is on 5 year old Yoki 309's at 23psi rear and 26 front.
 I think it would benefit from stiffer dampers as the car is fitted
 
 with near new standard ones.
 
 I was hoping someone else had been down this path and had solved it or
 
 is it just my car?
 
 Cheers
 Jon
  - Original Message -
  From: michaelhughe...@aol.com
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Fw: 2+2 handling problem
 
  In a message dated 20/03/2012 22:58:17 GMT Standard Time, jon.
 jacks...@ntlworld.com writes:
  so I went the 1.4 front and 1100 rear set up which was a whole lot
 
 better however I am still 

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: More lights

[Matthew Wastell]

I really noticed a bike using it recently. Much more than bikes without.  
Humans recognise changes much more easily so something moving or flashing will 
draw the attention much more. 

I think in bikes they are a great idea as the normally combined single light 
systems are much harder to notice especially as they are now generally running 
headlights on all the time. 

Now if we could just get people to use their indicators correctly that would be 
nice. Maybe they will be automated some time ;-)

M



On 20 Feb 2012, at 21:56, Eddie erus...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 
 There has been a kit that you can retro fit to modern motorbikes that
 flashes the brake light. It is available from Acumen electronics and
 has been available here for a couple of years now.
 Apparently it draws attention to the bike using its brakes.
 I am not so sure though that practice in this case is as good as the
 theory.
 
 Eddie
 
 On Feb 20, 8:49 pm, Matthew Wastell matt...@wastell.eu wrote:
 Some of the modern cars flash the brakes when they are first applied. Not 
 sure if pressure or g related or time or what but I've seen on a few high 
 end fancy cars.
 
 On 20 Feb 2012, at 14:43, TonyV q...@avies.co.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I saw a funny the other day, too.  A Golf where the centre brakelight
 flashed.
 It seemed to be flashing all the time, except when braking when it
 came on properly.
 At least, I assume it was braking, because he was stopped at a hilly
 junction, but there were no other lights to suggest an application of
 the centre pedal...
 Surely somebody wouldn't have been so daft as to deliberately modify
 their rear lights in this way...?
 
 Back to your example.
 
 I'm surprised it's legal merely to flash a light from red to yellow
 when operating indicators and sidelights together.
 I know it's practical and workable, I'm just surprised it's legal.
 But it sounds like an OEM has done it, so I suppose it must be.
 
 It'd be worse when using foglights and indicators - going from bright
 red to bright yellow.
 I'm not sure that's enough variety to catch the attention of a
 following driver.
 All too often the change from off to brake lights isn't, so I
 don't think I'd like to rely on a mere colour change.
 And that's before we even consider the issue of colour-blindness!
 
 Also, given your priority order, wouldn't this mean that you lose the
 rear sidelights when the reversing lights are on?  Thereby suggesting
 to other drivers that your car is facing the other way?
 
 What about your number plate light?  Is that separate, or built-in?
 Often manufacturers use the same taillight bulb to illuminate the
 plate.
 
 I did buy a few boards to experiment with LED lights - 48 bright white
 SMD LEDs pre-soldered to a board and with all the power circuitry
 already fixed in and ready to run at 12v.
 (Other sizes are available - from 6 up to 64+ LEDs).
 
 They're being sold on ebay as being suitable for replacing interior
 lights and come with adapters for a number of different bulb types.
 I was going to try them behind various spare lenses (brake, sidelight
 etc.) to ensure they're bright enough before doing anything drastic
 like actually fitting them.
 Pity it's not as easy/straightforward to do the indicators - the
 loading is different so the flasher unit would think the bulb has
 failed.
 
 But it would save me having to make up huge fibreglass boxes to encase
 the rear of the rear lights, as well as solving a few problems with
 bad connections due to using 40 year old bulb holders etc.
 
 Question - how legal would this be?  Given that I'd be fitting them
 behind existing lenses which still carry E-marks.
 
 For the number plate, I managed to get replacement bulbs which
 incorporate 13 SMD LEDs arranged to shine in all directions.  These
 will fit in the existing bulb holder as a direct swap for the original
 tungsten item.  I haven't got round to fitting these yet either.
 
 TonyV.
 
 On Feb 20, 10:35 am, Jim Hearne j...@quantums.info wrote:
 The mention of lights reminded me.
 I was behind a car the other day in the dark that had LED rear lights 
 (factory, not OEM), didn't recognise the make/model.
 It used the same section of the rear light for sidelights as indicators.
 When the indicator was flashing it went from dim red (sidelight) to bright 
 yellow.
 
 The lead me to think, what would be the minimum number of sections you'd 
 need for rear lights if you used different colour LEDS to meet the regs.
 
 The 2+2 rear lights use the same bulb for sidelights and fog so i guess 
 you can combine those.
 
 I think probably 2.
 
 Section 1. Brake lights only.
 Section 2. Sidelights (dim red) , Fog lights (bright red) , reversing 
 lights (white), Indicators (Yellow) in priority order.
 
 Any thoughts ?
 
 Jim
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: More lights

[Matthew Wastell]

People tend to chop them off eu bikes as well to tidy up the rear end a bit. 
Have seen many 'tasteful' hacksaw jobs that are far from square and even have 
the plastic swarf still attached, sigh. 





On 21 Feb 2012, at 20:09, Dave the Subbie dave_the_sub...@hotmail.com wrote:

 My bike failed it's MoT due to lack of a reflector. A £2.00 stick-on
 one fixed it. The shop had a card of them, because they are often
 missing on imported bikes. The bike had had at least 3 or 4 MoTs
 before anyone noticed. Have since noted stick-on reflectors on a
 number of bikes, so it must be something the testers have been
 reminded of.
 
 As Mark says, lights are supposed to be E-marked. Whether that applies
 to cars of the age of ours I don't know, but it was a requirement of
 the SVA test and, as our local police check bike exhausts for CE
 marks, I wouldn't put it past them to check your lights too.
 
 Sorry to be a party-pooper..!
 
 Now, what about finding some nice, E-marked, flush, twin headlamps for
 the coupe and/or 2+2?
 
 In fact, will these be needed for the new car to meet IVA, Eddie?
 
 Dave.
 
 On Feb 21, 8:02 pm, Susan and Martin Scott
 susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk wrote:
 On the Last Chance Saloon I fitted some reflectors (with the reflector 
 pealed off) within the fog lights - they only mask 1/2 of the fog light, and 
 the reflector is provided by the fog light reflector (I nicked the idea from 
 an old Quantum Mechanics - my apoologies for not knowing the author). Anyway 
 they work well and were passed at SVA.
 Martin
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   - Original Message -
   From: Jim Hearne
   To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:53 PM
   Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: More lights
 
   My Saloon passed an MOT with no rear reflectors.
   I fitted clear MK2 fiesta lights with coloured bulbs. (Mk1 Fiesta lights 
 have the reflector in the centre of the light cluster, Mk2 have the 
 reversing lights there and reflectors on the bumper).
   Use a clear bulb in the centre of the cluster on one side for a reversing 
 light and a red one on the other side for the fog light.
 
   Jim
 
 From: Mark Miles
 Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:38 PM
 To: quantumown...@googlegroups..com
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: More lights
 
 I am not sure that you could do that and remain legal. I have a spare 
 set of taillights that I was planning to do the same thing with I like 
 the look of leds. All electrical equipment fitted to cars is supposed to be 
 E approved. How this applies to our cars I don't know nor do I know whether 
 it is something that an MOT would check. My perfect solution would be to be 
 able to get a smoked acrylic moulding the same as the sierra taillight 
 cluster and to build the LED cluster myself. As the sierra lenses are tinted 
 you would be limited on any changes you would want to make to the layout. 
 You also need to have reflectors showing to the rear, this is usually built 
 into the light cluster. It would look quite unpleasant having an extra 
 reflector stuck on somewhere IMHO.
 
 Mark Miles
 
 Manager
 Bar Square
 8 Market Place
 Wokingham
 Berkshire
 RG40 1AL
 
 07565 110439
 
 
 From: MatthewG mgas...@yahoo.com
 To: Quantum Owners Group quantumowners@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012, 15:01
 Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: More lights
 
 Jim is right that the brake lights must be separate and some way apart
 from the rear fog lights. I have a figure of them needing to be 10cm
 apart in my head (but I could well have made that up...).
 
 The third-brake flasher idea seems quite nifty. I'd just need to add a
 third brake light to my 2+2 first...
 
 Going back to the original point about using LEDs though, I was always
 a fan of Maserati's 'boomerang-style' LED rear lights. I'm sure that
 we could come up with something along those lines that both meets the
 regulations and gives our cars a bit more individuality. I'd bought
 myself a couple of flexible LED strips to play with and was thinking
 of tracking down a set of Sierra lights to use as a template for
 holding them (that would still fit if my tinkering worked). I bet that
 someone with more skill than me can come up with something far
 prettier and more cheaply.
 
 Matthew
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Car headlights

[Matthew Wastell]

Are filaments focused?

On 19 Feb 2012, at 16:44, Eddie erus...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 I think it might be because the light is not focused.
 
 Any others with ideas ??
 
 On Feb 19, 1:27 pm, Matthew Wastell matt...@wastell.eu wrote:
 Why don't cars use fluorescent headlights?
 
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