[RBW] MIPS helmets

[Mojo]

This is a cross post from IBOB. We don't talk about helmets much here at 
RBW Bunch because we are civil and don't like to get into shouting matches. 
A quick search of the archives shows no discussion of this new 
MIPS technology, so maybe it's new for you.
 
Except for styling, helmets haven't changed much since the 1990s. This new 
MIPS (multi-directional impact protection system) technology is the first 
helmet to claim to help minimize concussions at the more common impact 
angle of 30-45 degrees. "On impact, the helmet rotates independent of the 
MIPS liner, absorbing some rotational acceleration."  Read about it here 
(apologies to all for a link to Buycycling rag):
*
http://www.brucebarcott.com/2013/05/your-bike-helmet-doesnt-do-what-you-think-it-does-heres-why-.html
*
 
REI has one for sale: *
http://www.rei.com/product/831581/poc-trabec-race-mips-bike-helmet*
 
At $200, its pricey. It differs in a few other ways. It also has greater 
coverage down the back of the helmet. And it is meant for multiple impacts.
Personally I don't dislike the styling, without the aero-fin on most road 
helmets, and I never bought into the mtn vs road helmet difference anyway.
I am going to try it and can report back to the group after a few weeks of 
riding.
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[RBW] Re: Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos

[Garth]

It's amazing to me how a "label", influences how I feel about a given 
product.  I personally prefer no labels on a bicycle if given a choice. 
When I had my Bombadil repainted, I had it done without labels.  I know the 
origin of the frame, the frame knows the origin of the frame, and Rivendell 
knows the origin of the frame. 

 I remember being enamored with stickers as a child. Getting some STP 
stickers from the Service Station (back when gas stations were owned and 
run by the same one or two people and actually offered "real car service") 
was a grand thing !  Getting the "big brand" named stickers and products 
was THE thing, to be associated them.  It's all psychological of course, 
and it's alright. I call it today "permission slips"  anything that 
allows you to feel better about yourself within the realms of your belief 
system, is a permission slip. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos

[Bruce Herbitter]

I hear ya.  Since no bike frames are actually fabricated at Walnut Creek,
you could think of your bike as a Panasonic, or a Toyo, or a Waterford, or
a Maxway, or a Curt, or a Joe or a Mark, etc. They all share a designer and
basic principles though, the same ones shared by the San Marcos. So "label"
it in your mind as you like, but enjoy the ride regardless.

Speaking of actual labels, when I repainted a Road two years ago, it was
important to me to find the correct decal set. Just because I really liked
how they looked on the bike's down tube . I also got with Reynolds for new
tubing decals. They did not have the same ones originally used (French) but
they sent me scans of every old decal they still had available and I found
something suitable. They were nice people to deal with btw.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Garth  wrote:

> It's amazing to me how a "label", influences how I feel about a given
> product.  I personally prefer no labels on a bicycle if given a choice.
> When I had my Bombadil repainted, I had it done without labels.  I know the
> origin of the frame, the frame knows the origin of the frame, and Rivendell
> knows the origin of the frame.
>
>  I remember being enamored with stickers as a child. Getting some STP
> stickers from the Service Station (back when gas stations were owned and
> run by the same one or two people and actually offered "real car service")
> was a grand thing !  Getting the "big brand" named stickers and products
> was THE thing, to be associated them.  It's all psychological of course,
> and it's alright. I call it today "permission slips"  anything that
> allows you to feel better about yourself within the realms of your belief
> system, is a permission slip.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 06:49 -0500, Bruce Herbitter wrote:
> 
> Speaking of actual labels, when I repainted a Road two years ago, it
> was important to me to find the correct decal set. Just because I
> really liked how they looked on the bike's down tube . I also got with
> Reynolds for new tubing decals. They did not have the same ones
> originally used (French) but they sent me scans of every old decal
> they still had available and I found something suitable. They were
> nice people to deal with btw.  

A Rivendell Road was built with French diameter tubing?  I didn't think
Waterford was using French diameter 531 at that time.



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[RBW] WTB - Betty Foy 52/50 cm

[JB]

My wife has caught the Rivendell bug.  I'm looking for a 52/50 cm in decent 
shape.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos

[Bruce Herbitter]

The labels were written in French. I don't know what tubing specs were
used.  753 frame and stays and 531 fork blades.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 06:49 -0500, Bruce Herbitter wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of actual labels, when I repainted a Road two years ago, it
> > was important to me to find the correct decal set. Just because I
> > really liked how they looked on the bike's down tube . I also got with
> > Reynolds for new tubing decals. They did not have the same ones
> > originally used (French) but they sent me scans of every old decal
> > they still had available and I found something suitable. They were
> > nice people to deal with btw.
>
> A Rivendell Road was built with French diameter tubing?  I didn't think
> Waterford was using French diameter 531 at that time.
>
>
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[RBW] Cloth Tape over Cork Grips?

[Deacon Patrick]

My cork grips are starting to chip (apparently enjoying their age and/or being 
tossed around too much). I love their girth and shape, so before they fall 
apart I am planning on cloth tape/shellacing them. 

I plan on starting with them and wrapping up so I have a solid finished edge on 
them. Should I add twine, which I will use on the top just under the shifters, 
located at the top of the bend of the bars?

Any advice? 

With abandon,
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www.OurHolyConception.org

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Small Trunksack, Large Trunksacks, Toursack

[RJM]

Hey again Nancy, 
 
I cannot get on my email until this afternoon so I have to post this here, 
sorry about that. I will send you the money for the bags this afternoon 
when I get home from work, thanks. 
 
These will go so well with my GAP trip later this year. 

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[RBW] Re: old pasela 37's on the Simpleone and picking up new wheels for the Protovelo

[Shoji Takahashi]

love that pumpkin pic, and hope you caught a tailwind with that big box.
--shoji

On Monday, May 6, 2013 11:22:29 PM UTC-4, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> Beautiful, man ... I always like seeing the awkward package portage pics 
> ... here's one of your 'ol Bleriot from last October:
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2013 6:40:04 PM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>>
>> A couple of phone pics from today
>> I took the Jack Browns off the Simpleone since they will be going on the 
>> new Protovelo.
>> I had some Pasela 37's that seem to really beef up my Simpleone.
>> Then picked up some new wheels that the Jack Browns will go onto.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Randonneur and Rivendell rumble.

[Eric Stocker]

I had a blast. Thanks for organizing the ride Manny!

On Monday, May 6, 2013 2:55:00 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Good riding this weekend.
> Two notable great rides.
> Had a free afternoon for a short ride in San Francisco. Mr. MIke Williams 
> got to show me around some sweet San Francisco single track just outside 
> UCSF. Before we went riding I got to meet Ray who was redoing the famous 20 
> year old mural on the  outside of American Cyclery. Got to talk to him 
> about the new mural and his inspiration behind his old one. Really cool guy 
> and super talented.
>
> Rode out to hit some dirt in the Marin Headlands. Loosing put something 
> together hoping that it wasn't just me riding. We started with a big group 
> of 8, a mixture of randonneurs and rivendell folk. We added 3 more along 
> the way to and on the trails. 
> Whenever I get groups of other cyclist together I always worry about the 
> group and how they would interact or how the riding can be. The group was a 
> great group where everyone was in pretty much up for whatever which was 
> good because I didn't really know where we were riding too(despite the fact 
> that I was suppose to lead the ride). We ending up descending down a roller 
> coaster-like trail to Pelican Inn. We had a tea time before doing the 
> beautiful/hard climb up Middle Green Gulch. Beautiful day with a good group 
> of people. 
>
> Pictures proved that randonneurs and rivendell folk are sometimes the same 
> people
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjEYBZsz
>
> -Manny "Best things start with an R" Acosta
>
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[RBW] Re: Randonneur and Rivendell rumble.

[Mike]

On Monday, May 6, 2013 2:55:00 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Good riding this weekend.
> Two notable great rides.
> Had a free afternoon for a short ride in San Francisco. Mr. MIke Williams 
> got to show me around some sweet San Francisco single track just outside 
> UCSF. Before we went riding I got to meet Ray who was redoing the famous 20 
> year old mural on the  outside of American Cyclery. Got to talk to him 
> about the new mural and his inspiration behind his old one. Really cool guy 
> and super talented.
>

Manny, great set of photos. Last time I was in SF a friend and I went for a 
great hike on those trails and up to Sutro Tower. The trails looked perfect 
for an urban mixed terrain ride.

I've know Ray for over 25yrs. He's an SF original that I used to skate and 
party with in the 80s. Such a funny guy.

All the photos are so good and make me miss SF terribly. Hopefully I'll get 
out for some riding in the next couple of days and remind myself that it's 
not a bad thing living here in Portland.

--mike 

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[RBW] FS: Assorted Schwalbe Tires

[Zack]

I am moving and sadly have to get rid of my extra tires.  My storage loss, 
your gain.  Good chance to pick up some lightly used tires on the cheap.

Schwalbe Marathon Winter, 700 x 35, used one winter sparingly, most of the 
studs intact, should be at least two more winters in 'em.  *$80 including 
shipping.*
*
*
Schwalbe Marathon Dureme, 700 x 40, used one season, plenty of life left. * $80 
including shipping.*
*
*
Schwalbe Marathon Supreme, 700 x 50, not used by me, very sparingly by 
previous owner, came on a bike he said was ridden less than 100 miles and 
that seemed true to me.  *$90 including shipping.*
*
*
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your overstuffed Small Sackville Saddlesack

[PATRICK MOORE]

I don't think it's contentious at all. What a boring world where everybody
had the same opinion about everything. Let differences flourish! (In both
senses.) I am puzzled and somewhat amused by some people's thin
skinned-ness.

Obviously this is a case where we each have our own preference, but there's
nothing at all wrong with that.

FWIW, I personally prefer saddlebags for all but quite heavy or bulky
loads, simply because they don't require a rack (at least those I use on my
bikes) but I prefer panniers for the shopping ease. I wheel my bikes
through the stores as my shopping cart and find the grocery-specific Banjos
the best I've used -- wish I could afford the upscale Ortliebs, but for the
money the BBs are excellent. And of course they are so easy to put on and
take off. The hook on top/bungee on the bottom is not the most secure
system but for short grocery rides (I usually extend them to 11 miles rt or
more) they are fine.

And a plug for the Medium Saddlesack. I've carried up to 30 lb and, more to
the point, it will carry as much as a single Ortlieb Packer, ie about one
paper grocery sack's worth with flap closed, though I -- and I emphasize
that I am speaking for myself -- find it considerably less easy to load
than an open-style pannier.

I am debating whether to continue the conversion of a larger-sized Timbuktu
bag into a pannier by bolting on an Ortlieb mount. Right now it's got the
simple dowel + toe straps system that works very well, but it takes a
tedious 10 seconds to release it. OTOH, the dowel/strap system does allow
me to use it also as a messenger bag while the Ortleib clamps would stick
out on the back ...

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Christopher Chen  wrote:

> Can we please drop this thread and talk about something less contentious,
> like carbs or carbon forks?
>
> cc
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[RBW] Re: any metal fenders that will fit 700/42c tires

[Zack]

I have the berthoud 60s and Rock and Road tires, and there is plenty of 
room in between.  I have run the 60's with marathon supreme 50's and that 
was a tighter (but still do-able) fit.

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[RBW] Re: Bosco'd the Hilsen

[PeterG]

i like email too...i guess...Did i miss something?

On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:25:04 PM UTC-7, Crazy4Suki wrote:
>
> I have Boscos on my Hilsen. I like email but am not sure if I like email 
> better than the albas I have on my betty. I often grab near the bend near 
> the shifters when I don't want to be too upright.

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[RBW] Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Rick Houston]

Going to finally put my wife's Betty Foy together, and she wants the front 
rack she previously had mounted on her Quickbeam installed on the Betty; 
she has a Wald basket mounted on it, and now I'm wondering where the best 
place would be to mount the dyno light we bought. Any ideas? Thanks for 
your thoughts!

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[RBW] Re: Cloth Tape over Cork Grips?

[Deacon Patrick]

Tape when on wonderfully over the cork grips and brake mount. I hope to 
shellac this afternoon. The orange tape perfectly matches the accents on my 
Hunqapillar, though it will darken with the amber shellac. I almost wish 
I'd gotten the clear shellac, but the more muted color will be better for 
my brain so easily overstimulated. I'll post pictures when done.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:27:24 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My cork grips are starting to chip (apparently enjoying their age and/or 
> being tossed around too much). I love their girth and shape, so before they 
> fall apart I am planning on cloth tape/shellacing them. 
>
> I plan on starting with them and wrapping up so I have a solid finished 
> edge on them. Should I add twine, which I will use on the top just under 
> the shifters, located at the top of the bend of the bars?
>
> Any advice? 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: any metal fenders that will fit 700/42c tires

[grant]

It's air space (axle to metal, and width between metal) that determines 
what fender will fit with what tire.

On Monday, May 6, 2013 7:14:15 AM UTC-7, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> Anyone know of any metal fenders that will fit tires that size?
>
> Thanks
> -sv
>
>

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Re: [RBW] any metal fenders that will fit 700/42c tires

[Rick Houston]

Steve, can you post a pic of your front rack/light set-up? Looks great!

On Monday, May 6, 2013 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 10:14 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: 
>
> Anyone know of any metal fenders that will fit tires that size?
>
>
> http://www.compasscycle.com/fenders.html
>
> They have hammered, fluted and smooth Honjos.  My MAP has the hammered:
>
>  
> I used to have the fluted on my Saluki:
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Cloth Tape over Cork Grips?

[Ron Mc]

when I read the title, I was going to ask why mess with something so 
comfortable, but now I understand.  
I think it sounds great for a repair - a lot easier than redoing the cork.  

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:27:24 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My cork grips are starting to chip (apparently enjoying their age and/or 
> being tossed around too much). I love their girth and shape, so before they 
> fall apart I am planning on cloth tape/shellacing them. 
>
> I plan on starting with them and wrapping up so I have a solid finished 
> edge on them. Should I add twine, which I will use on the top just under 
> the shifters, located at the top of the bend of the bars?
>
> Any advice? 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Assorted Schwalbe Tires

[Philip Williamson]

Single tires, or pairs? 
OCD clarification, not an offer - I have a shed full of the same tires! 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:00:45 AM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
>
> I am moving and sadly have to get rid of my extra tires.  My storage loss, 
> your gain.  Good chance to pick up some lightly used tires on the cheap.
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Winter, 700 x 35, used one winter sparingly, most of the 
> studs intact, should be at least two more winters in 'em.  *$80 including 
> shipping.*
> *
> *
> Schwalbe Marathon Dureme, 700 x 40, used one season, plenty of life left. 
> * $80 including shipping.*
> *
> *
> Schwalbe Marathon Supreme, 700 x 50, not used by me, very sparingly by 
> previous owner, came on a bike he said was ridden less than 100 miles and 
> that seemed true to me.  *$90 including shipping.*
> *
> *
> *
> *
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your overstuffed Small Sackville Saddlesack

[Philip Williamson]

Ha! I'd skipped this thread until you said that! :^)

Philip
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On Monday, May 6, 2013 5:31:09 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Can we please drop this thread and talk about something less contentious, 
> like carbs or carbon forks?
>
> cc
>
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[RBW] Re: Cloth Tape over Cork Grips?

[Deacon Patrick]

Very true, Ron. My original plan was to just tape the bars above the cork 
grips, but when I saw the chunks coming out I figured taping them too was 
the way to go. An added benefit for my large monkey hands is the wider 
circumference. I may add another layer at some point just for that purpose.
Here's a pre-shellac photo:




With abandon,
Patrick



On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:16:50 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> when I read the title, I was going to ask why mess with something so 
> comfortable, but now I understand.  
> I think it sounds great for a repair - a lot easier than redoing the cork. 
>  
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:27:24 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> My cork grips are starting to chip (apparently enjoying their age and/or 
>> being tossed around too much). I love their girth and shape, so before they 
>> fall apart I am planning on cloth tape/shellacing them. 
>>
>> I plan on starting with them and wrapping up so I have a solid finished 
>> edge on them. Should I add twine, which I will use on the top just under 
>> the shifters, located at the top of the bend of the bars?
>>
>> Any advice? 
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>  
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[RBW] Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Details are still being worked out. Just putting this out there so people 
can put it on their calendars. 

Looking at something with enough elevation to get views, perhaps a stint on 
the Willapa Hills 
Trail
 or 
something in the vicinity of Mt St Helens. I'm open to route suggestions if 
you're familiar with the area (I'm not). 

Would people be interested to do an overnighter?

Feel free to post here or message me with comments, suggestions, rsvp, etc.

--Smitty




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[RBW] Re: Cloth Tape over Cork Grips?

[Ron Mc]

that works and looks good, too !

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:45:44 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Very true, Ron. My original plan was to just tape the bars above the cork 
> grips, but when I saw the chunks coming out I figured taping them too was 
> the way to go. An added benefit for my large monkey hands is the wider 
> circumference. I may add another layer at some point just for that purpose.
> Here's a pre-shellac photo:
>
>
> 
>
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:16:50 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> when I read the title, I was going to ask why mess with something so 
>> comfortable, but now I understand.  
>> I think it sounds great for a repair - a lot easier than redoing the 
>> cork.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:27:24 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> My cork grips are starting to chip (apparently enjoying their age and/or 
>>> being tossed around too much). I love their girth and shape, so before they 
>>> fall apart I am planning on cloth tape/shellacing them. 
>>>
>>> I plan on starting with them and wrapping up so I have a solid finished 
>>> edge on them. Should I add twine, which I will use on the top just under 
>>> the shifters, located at the top of the bend of the bars?
>>>
>>> Any advice? 
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>>  
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Austin Andrews]

I am not sure which front rack she has but I have a wald basket attached to 
a Nitto mini-front rack, forget which one exactly, which has a tab on the 
front of the rack for a light 
(see: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3464/3990663590_855aeb58a7_z.jpg?zz=1)

I mounted my light on there with a simple nut and bolt. You could also 
attach it to one of the threaded eyelets on the side of the rack but that 
may prove more complicated than the above. I can take a picture of my 
set-up later today if you would like.

A

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>
> Going to finally put my wife's Betty Foy together, and she wants the front 
> rack she previously had mounted on her Quickbeam installed on the Betty; 
> she has a Wald basket mounted on it, and now I'm wondering where the best 
> place would be to mount the dyno light we bought. Any ideas? Thanks for 
> your thoughts!

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Re: [RBW] Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Dan McNamara]

For my wife's Betty I managed to squeeze a dyno light on the front of a
rack using a slightly bent canti brake mount. This was to clear a medium
Wald. Not sure about clearing a Large.

I have also used a homemade version of a Paul Gino mount to do a fork mount
on the mid-fork braze-on. The rack stays were mounted on the inside of the
braze-on.

The Mini-front is not going to work on a Betty, though. You will need a
Mark's Rack or another rack with an appropriate diving board for the
caliper brake bolts.


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> Going to finally put my wife's Betty Foy together, and she wants the front
> rack she previously had mounted on her Quickbeam installed on the Betty;
> she has a Wald basket mounted on it, and now I'm wondering where the best
> place would be to mount the dyno light we bought. Any ideas? Thanks for
> your thoughts!
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[RBW] Re: FS: Assorted Schwalbe Tires

[Zack]

Was just coming on to post the clarification - these are all pairs of tires.

Duremes are sold.  

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.

[Lynne Fitz]

I like EFS - lots of electrolytes, mild flavors, not overly sweet tasting. 
 For more calories I mix it with Carbo-Pro.  Skratch is pretty good as 
well.  Endurolytes if necessary.  Antacids in a pinch.  I don't restrict 
calories; need them all on long brevets :-)

On Sunday, May 5, 2013 5:25:34 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi Rivsters,
>
> On long rides I notice I have a tendency to get leg cramps in my feet 
> & calf's which is usually long after the ride. I drink plenty of water as I 
> don't like being dehydrated. I have used electrolyte solutions before but 
> dislike the ones with sugar. So was wondering if anyone has experience with 
> such a sugarless product.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[Scot Brooks]

Seattle side here. I think both the Willapa Hills idea and the overnighter 
idea are awesome. I'd be in for both, especially since I just transformed 
my Sam into a hardcore rambler. 

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[RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Minh]

Rick,

It depends on how much clearance you have out front of the basket or 
underneath, search flickr for edelux, or dyno lights and you can see a few 
options.  i think the under basket mount looks the cleanest (and you don't 
have a light hanging out front), but this mounting location would depend on 
the light you settle in on.a picture of the light you bought and the 
basket setup would help.

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:06:30 PM UTC-4, Rick Houston wrote:
>
> Going to finally put my wife's Betty Foy together, and she wants the front 
> rack she previously had mounted on her Quickbeam installed on the Betty; 
> she has a Wald basket mounted on it, and now I'm wondering where the best 
> place would be to mount the dyno light we bought. Any ideas? Thanks for 
> your thoughts!

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[RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Rick Houston]

Here's a pic of the rack when it was mounted on her QB: http://flic.kr/p/6C8ptP

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[RBW] Re: Cross levers on 46cm Noodle bars?

[BSWP]

I'm adding cross levers to the 46cm Noodles on my LongLow, in a transition 
from the M-bars I've used on that bike for 15 years. For all who ride with 
cross brake levers on drop bars, what position have you found best for the 
long run - angled steeply down, or angled up and out?

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Rick Houston]

Minh, I'll put the pics of the frame with the attached rack/basket on here 
later on today; the light is the Supernova E3, seen here: 
http://supernova-lights.com/en/products/e3pro2.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Dan McNamara]

For some reason I thought the Quickbeam was canti-brakes . So you have a
Mark's rack not a Mini-front. You could use that mounting hole on the
front.


Here is a thread from earlier this year on a really nice mod to put a Paul
Gino on the strut of a Mark's rack. I like getting the light down a little
lower than the front of the rack but not as low as the mid-fork braze on so
I'll probably end up doing this.

Dan


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> http://flic.kr/p/6C8ptP
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[RBW] Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[Aaron Young]

I'm "xpressing interest, but I'll have wait for more details before I can
express commitment. Sounds like great fun though.

-Aaron "stuck in the middle in Vancouver" Young

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013, Scot Brooks wrote:

> Seattle side here. I think both the Willapa Hills idea and the overnighter
> idea are awesome. I'd be in for both, especially since I just transformed
> my Sam into a hardcore rambler.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Dan McNamara]

Dang - forgot the link

http://bit.ly/10n7Ykn

Dan



On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Dan McNamara  wrote:

> For some reason I thought the Quickbeam was canti-brakes . So you have a
> Mark's rack not a Mini-front. You could use that mounting hole on the
> front.
>
>
> Here is a thread from earlier this year on a really nice mod to put a Paul
> Gino on the strut of a Mark's rack. I like getting the light down a little
> lower than the front of the rack but not as low as the mid-fork braze on so
> I'll probably end up doing this.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rick Houston wrote:
>
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>> http://flic.kr/p/6C8ptP
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Eric Norris]

Original QBs came with cantis. I'm looking at mine right now.

--Eric Norris
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On May 7, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Dan McNamara  wrote:

> For some reason I thought the Quickbeam was canti-brakes . So you have a 
> Mark's rack not a Mini-front. You could use that mounting hole on the front. 
> 
> 
> Here is a thread from earlier this year on a really nice mod to put a Paul 
> Gino on the strut of a Mark's rack. I like getting the light down a little 
> lower than the front of the rack but not as low as the mid-fork braze on so 
> I'll probably end up doing this. 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rick Houston  wrote:
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> http://flic.kr/p/6C8ptP
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[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.

[Matthew J]

I don't cramp.  Not even when I did the coast to coast tour.  Always 
assumed it to be a genetics thing.
 
If diet controls cramping, then I suggest animal free Mediterranean diet as 
that's mine.  Of course I do bonk every now and then.  My body fat is low 
and it is sometimes hard to keep optimal calorie flow when riding long 
distance with loaded panniers day after day.

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Re: [RBW] any metal fenders that will fit 700/42c tires

[William]

David,

Chiming in on your exchange with Steve regarding using Honjos and Hetres on 
a Hilsen (the Triple "H").  

In my opinion, the critical thing that Steve's Saluki had that your bike 
does not have is cantilever brakes.  The place where you will have the 
biggest clearance problem is through the brake calipers.  Steve never had 
that problem on his Canti-Luki.  The Honjo hardware that you will need to 
use in the area of the brake bridge will be problematic.  On my 58cm 650B 
Hilsen, I found Hetres and Honjos impossible.  Hetres and SKS fenders was 
barely adequate.  I've now gone to SKS Longboards and Grand Bois Lierre 
tires and I find that ideal for the caliper-brake equipped Hilsen.  The 
Lierre really is an excellent tire, every bit as good as the Hetre, in my 
opinion.  

As Steve pointed out correctly, there's adequate room at the chain stays.  

Bill

On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:06:19 AM UTC-7, Davidbea wrote:
>
> Steve, 
> As the Saluki dimensions are similar if not the same as my Homer, should 
> the Honjos, hammered or fluted work with 42mm Hetres with my 56cm 650B 
> Homer? 
> Maybe with a bit of trimming? 
> Thanks. 
> David 
>
>
> On May 6, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Steve Palincsar > 
> wrote: 
>
> > On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 14:58 +, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: 
> >> I too have the 60mm stainless steel Berthouds on big 700c tires (50mm 
> >> Marathon Supremes on my Atlantis).  They work great – I wouldn’t want 
> >> anything bigger under them, but at 42mm you should be in great shape. 
> >> They’re very high quality construction and coverage, too. 
> >> 
> > 
> > I just noticed - you said 700C.  The Honjo's I posted are all for 650B. 
> > Not at all sure if they'll fit.  Sorry about that. 
> > 
> > There is another issue, one I encountered with mounting those Honjos on 
> > my Saluki: not all bikes have chain stays that will properly fit a 42mm 
> > wide tire.  In my case, I had to cut the portion of the fender that fit 
> > through the chain stays at the bridge to make them fit.   
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[rperks]

Here is a link to the version I came up with using an upcycled chain ring 
and a nitto rack bolt on the Mark's Rack Strut.  I by no means invented 
this, there are a few examples on flicker.  I have used it with good 
success.  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/8718438496/

Rob
Ventura, Ca

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:55:08 AM UTC-7, danmc wrote:
>
> Dang - forgot the link
>
> http://bit.ly/10n7Ykn
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Dan McNamara 
> > wrote:
>
>> For some reason I thought the Quickbeam was canti-brakes . So you have a 
>> Mark's rack not a Mini-front. You could use that mounting hole on the 
>> front. 
>>
>>
>> Here is a thread from earlier this year on a really nice mod to put a 
>> Paul Gino on the strut of a Mark's rack. I like getting the light down a 
>> little lower than the front of the rack but not as low as the mid-fork 
>> braze on so I'll probably end up doing this. 
>>  
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rick Houston 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a pic of the rack when it was mounted on her QB: 
>>> http://flic.kr/p/6C8ptP
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Re: [RBW] Bay area bikecamping

[Dan McNamara]

I might be in for part of Sunday and maybe a bit during the week. Let's
keep in touch.

Dan

-Marin


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:20 PM, MTR  wrote:

> Evening all, Myself and a couple friends are going to go on a mini tour
> starting Sunday through Wednesday. We will be leaving San Francisco Sunday
> morning and heading to Marin for a couple of nights at SPT and Pt Reyes and
> possibly some stealth camping.
>
> Want to join?  We ride slow, eat well, and drink beer. Couple of newbee's
> so mellow pace and milage.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Minh]

Rick,

I have a supernova on my nitto mini front mounted on one of the side bolts 
using a long M6(?) bolt and a plastic spacer to push it out far enough to 
clear the rack.  I mounted mine upside down (which some people say is a bad 
idea, but i don't ride that particular bike in the rain that often) and i 
think a basket could mount on top with the light in that position.  

no pics as i'm out of town, but you should be able to find something on 
flickr if you search for supernova.  Dan's link to using a gino mount (or a 
diy gino), is a similiar concept of mounting it below the basket.  

we are making it sound complicated, but run to the hardware store and play 
around with bolts/brackets to find something that fits.


On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:20:20 PM UTC-4, rperks wrote:
>
> Here is a link to the version I came up with using an upcycled chain ring 
> and a nitto rack bolt on the Mark's Rack Strut.  I by no means invented 
> this, there are a few examples on flicker.  I have used it with good 
> success.  
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/8718438496/
>
> Rob
> Ventura, Ca
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:55:08 AM UTC-7, danmc wrote:
>>
>> Dang - forgot the link
>>
>> http://bit.ly/10n7Ykn
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Dan McNamara  wrote:
>>
>>> For some reason I thought the Quickbeam was canti-brakes . So you have a 
>>> Mark's rack not a Mini-front. You could use that mounting hole on the 
>>> front. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is a thread from earlier this year on a really nice mod to put a 
>>> Paul Gino on the strut of a Mark's rack. I like getting the light down a 
>>> little lower than the front of the rack but not as low as the mid-fork 
>>> braze on so I'll probably end up doing this. 
>>>  
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Rick Houston wrote:
>>>
 Here's a pic of the rack when it was mounted on her QB: 
 http://flic.kr/p/6C8ptP

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Re: [RBW] Bay area bikecamping

[Anne Paulson]

Thinking of joining you. I particularly like the ride slow, eat well part.
Are you the type to want to ride until dusk and then stealth camp? As part
of my eat well strategy, I like to settle into camp by four-ish so as to
leave plenty of time for the beer-drinking, food-eating part of the day.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Dan McNamara  wrote:

> I might be in for part of Sunday and maybe a bit during the week. Let's
> keep in touch.
>
> Dan
>
> -Marin
>
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:20 PM, MTR  wrote:
>
>> Evening all, Myself and a couple friends are going to go on a mini tour
>> starting Sunday through Wednesday. We will be leaving San Francisco Sunday
>> morning and heading to Marin for a couple of nights at SPT and Pt Reyes and
>> possibly some stealth camping.
>>
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>> so mellow pace and milage.
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[RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[Mike]

I'm interested. It looks like I'm off that weekend. Transportation and 
obtaining a hall pass from the boss (my wife) will be the main issues.
 
--mike
 

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:46:03 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

> Details are still being worked out. Just putting this out there so people 
> can put it on their calendars.  
>
> Looking at something with enough elevation to get views, perhaps a stint 
> on the Willapa Hills 
> Trail
>  or 
> something in the vicinity of Mt St Helens. I'm open to route suggestions if 
> you're familiar with the area (I'm not). 
>
> Would people be interested to do an overnighter?
>
> Feel free to post here or message me with comments, suggestions, rsvp, etc.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Rick Houston]

Dan, the smaller QB's (Erin's was a 52) used sidepulls.

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Re: [RBW] FW: For Sale; Tom Ritchey fillet brazed LONG Frame, Fork, HS

[Eric Norris]

Veerrry tempting. Thank goodness the Bike Room is full. 

--Eric Norris
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On May 7, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Marc Schwartz  wrote:

> 
> 
> I would like to offer a Riv-related frame, 1987(?) repack-style long bike 
> brazed by Tom (I think).
> 
> A circa 1987 Ritchey TimberComp/Wolf frame fillet brazed. Color is red, size 
> is medium/large ( 21" c-t ST, 23"c-c TT, 31.5" SO). Ritchey USA decals are 
> intact except for rubbe on the drive side headtube. Frame has some minor 
> scratch/rubbe/paint fade beausage. Non driveside chainstay rock dented/ 
> pinched (Sound and not-too-ugly). No other 
> 
> 
> 
> Built as de-luxe Rivisher cruiser, as follows;
> Wheels; Paul SS hubs, 32h, rims are quite decent, unlabeled but look like 
> Mavic
> Tires; Schwalbe Marathon XR 26x2", 250 miles or so
> Cockpit; Riv Bullmoose 150mm bar, Portuguese cork grips, Suntour power 
> ratchet barend shifter on RH side, Paul Canti levers
> HS; Original Shimano HP6207
> BB; Phil Wood SS
> Tensioner; Paul Melvin mounted to derailler hanger
> FD; Shimano Deerhead
> Front Brakes; Paul Retro Canti
> Rear Brakes; Suntour Cunningham Rollercam mounted under chainstays
> Saddle; Sprung Brooks Conquest "All-Terrain"
> Crank; Sugino (170) (40x32 & guard
> FW; White Eno 20t
> Water Bottle Cage, Bags & Pedals racks basket not included
> 
> Asking prices
> $ 200 for frame, fork, headset, and rear brakes; shipped CONUS
> $490  for complete bike; shipped CONUS
> will discuss & dicker all other combinations
> Will entertain all reasonable (or entertaining) offers.
> Email for more photos or answers.
> 
> Thanks Again
> Marc
> 
> Riv Content; Rivendell/ Ritchey relationship over the decades, of cours
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Rick Houston]

Rob, that's beautiful!

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Re: [RBW] any metal fenders that will fit 700/42c tires

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 11:18 -0700, William wrote:
> The Lierre really is an excellent tire, every bit as good as the
> Hetre, in my opinion.   

The Lierre hasn't received much love on the lists, but I like mine just
fine.  Some have said the tread siping catches small stones that then
puncture the tires, but although mine have captured some small stones,
I've never had punctures.  

I use the Lierre on my Kogswell P/R, which really was designed for a
38mm tire.  The P/R is mainly used as my touring bike.  I had a set of
Pari Motos on the bike but put the Lierres on when my bike club was
going on a tour of the gravel surfaced Greenbrier Trail in West
Virginia.  We were on that tour only a few miles from the eipcenter on
Earthquake Day.  Since then I've used the bike on gravel roads on the
C&O Canal, the Great Allegheny Passage and most recently on the Delaware
Water Gap Adventure tour, and never a flat.

So, for my money, if 38mm is your maximum tire size and you want
something a little sturdier than an event tire, the Lierre is just the
ticket.



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Re: [RBW] any metal fenders that will fit 700/42c tires

[David Hays]

Thanks, Bill. I thought that might be part of the clearance issue.
Wonder if switching to the Dia Comp center pulls would improve the situation 
and find another home for the Tektro 559s?
David

 
On May 7, 2013, at 2:18 PM, William  wrote:

> David,
> 
> Chiming in on your exchange with Steve regarding using Honjos and Hetres on a 
> Hilsen (the Triple "H").  
> 
> In my opinion, the critical thing that Steve's Saluki had that your bike does 
> not have is cantilever brakes.  The place where you will have the biggest 
> clearance problem is through the brake calipers.  Steve never had that 
> problem on his Canti-Luki.  The Honjo hardware that you will need to use in 
> the area of the brake bridge will be problematic.  On my 58cm 650B Hilsen, I 
> found Hetres and Honjos impossible.  Hetres and SKS fenders was barely 
> adequate.  I've now gone to SKS Longboards and Grand Bois Lierre tires and I 
> find that ideal for the caliper-brake equipped Hilsen.  The Lierre really is 
> an excellent tire, every bit as good as the Hetre, in my opinion.  
> 
> As Steve pointed out correctly, there's adequate room at the chain stays.  
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:06:19 AM UTC-7, Davidbea wrote:
> Steve, 
> As the Saluki dimensions are similar if not the same as my Homer, should the 
> Honjos, hammered or fluted work with 42mm Hetres with my 56cm 650B Homer? 
> Maybe with a bit of trimming? 
> Thanks. 
> David 
> 
> 
> On May 6, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote: 
> 
> > On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 14:58 +, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: 
> >> I too have the 60mm stainless steel Berthouds on big 700c tires (50mm 
> >> Marathon Supremes on my Atlantis).  They work great – I wouldn’t want 
> >> anything bigger under them, but at 42mm you should be in great shape. 
> >> They’re very high quality construction and coverage, too. 
> >> 
> > 
> > I just noticed - you said 700C.  The Honjo's I posted are all for 650B. 
> > Not at all sure if they'll fit.  Sorry about that. 
> > 
> > There is another issue, one I encountered with mounting those Honjos on 
> > my Saluki: not all bikes have chain stays that will properly fit a 42mm 
> > wide tire.  In my case, I had to cut the portion of the fender that fit 
> > through the chain stays at the bridge to make them fit.   
> > 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Plastic Fenders and Hetres

[Alex Zeibot]

Here is my newly converted 650b Rambouillet with new Hetre Legers and SKS
Longboards.  The tires and fenders fit just perfectly fine with few
millimeters to spare.  FWIW - The new Legers are exact 41mm wide.
Pictures:

650b converted Rambouillet w/Herte Leger and
Longboards
Alex,
St. Paul,


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael  wrote:

> @Daniel:
>> If I remember, my Hetres are measuring at 38mm wide. They are inflated
>> within the inflation range printed on the sidewall (the lower end of it if
>> I remember). They fit under the fenders better than my Rumpkins did. They
>> look narrower. According to the Rivsite, P45's will take a 45mm wide tire.
>> I'll try to remember to get some pics posted this week if you still want to
>> see.
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Re: [RBW] any metal fenders that will fit 700/42c tires

[William]

I can't comment on that, but the idea has occurred to me.  

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:20:07 PM UTC-7, Davidbea wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bill. I thought that might be part of the clearance issue.
> Wonder if switching to the Dia Comp center pulls would improve the 
> situation and find another home for the Tektro 559s?
> David
>
>  
> On May 7, 2013, at 2:18 PM, William > 
> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Chiming in on your exchange with Steve regarding using Honjos and Hetres 
> on a Hilsen (the Triple "H").  
>
> In my opinion, the critical thing that Steve's Saluki had that your bike 
> does not have is cantilever brakes.  The place where you will have the 
> biggest clearance problem is through the brake calipers.  Steve never had 
> that problem on his Canti-Luki.  The Honjo hardware that you will need to 
> use in the area of the brake bridge will be problematic.  On my 58cm 650B 
> Hilsen, I found Hetres and Honjos impossible.  Hetres and SKS fenders was 
> barely adequate.  I've now gone to SKS Longboards and Grand Bois Lierre 
> tires and I find that ideal for the caliper-brake equipped Hilsen.  The 
> Lierre really is an excellent tire, every bit as good as the Hetre, in my 
> opinion.  
>
> As Steve pointed out correctly, there's adequate room at the chain stays.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:06:19 AM UTC-7, Davidbea wrote:
>>
>> Steve, 
>> As the Saluki dimensions are similar if not the same as my Homer, should 
>> the Honjos, hammered or fluted work with 42mm Hetres with my 56cm 650B 
>> Homer? 
>> Maybe with a bit of trimming? 
>> Thanks. 
>> David 
>>
>>
>> On May 6, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote: 
>>
>> > On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 14:58 +, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: 
>> >> I too have the 60mm stainless steel Berthouds on big 700c tires (50mm 
>> >> Marathon Supremes on my Atlantis).  They work great – I wouldn’t want 
>> >> anything bigger under them, but at 42mm you should be in great shape. 
>> >> They’re very high quality construction and coverage, too. 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > I just noticed - you said 700C.  The Honjo's I posted are all for 650B. 
>> > Not at all sure if they'll fit.  Sorry about that. 
>> > 
>> > There is another issue, one I encountered with mounting those Honjos on 
>> > my Saluki: not all bikes have chain stays that will properly fit a 42mm 
>> > wide tire.  In my case, I had to cut the portion of the fender that fit 
>> > through the chain stays at the bridge to make them fit.   
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: [RBW] any metal fenders that will fit 700/42c tires

[Tom Harrop]

To add to what Grant said: I use 60 mm 700c Berthoud fenders with 60 mm Big 
Apples and there are no clearance issues whatsoever—in fact I still spaced 
the fenders away from the frame—because the frame has so much tyre 
clearance. Having said that, the fenders are only just wide enough to cover 
the tyres.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Phil Wood, Carradice, Sugino, Campy, and more....

[jeffrey kane]

Hey Matt,

Is this still available:

-Nitto dirt drop stem 26.0 clamp, 10 cm extension, 120mm above min 
insertion, $38.00

If so, let me know, I can PayPal immediately

Thanks! jsk

On Friday, May 3, 2013 5:45:35 PM UTC-4, Matt Gilkey wrote:
>
> Hello,
>>  
>>
> Thanks for all of the responses. Sold a lot of stuff and everyone has been 
> great. Here is what is left. All prices include shipping. Thanks. 
>  
>
> -Nitto moustache 25.4 clamp, tape residue and lots of scratches in clamp 
> area $35.00
>
> -Phil wood Bottom Bracket 108mm, approx 2,000 miles, mounting rings not 
> included, $80.00
>
> -Shimano Deore XT rear derailleur, 7 speed, very scratched but functions 
> well $20.00
>
> -Mafac Racer center-pull brakes with new pads, $40.00
>
> -Topeak Road Master Frame Pump, rubber head is split, length 52-59cm, 
> $25.00
>
> -Velo Orange City bar (I think it is the porteur model), $25.00
>
> -Shimano Deore Crank set 175mm 46-36-26, $65.00
>
> -Velo Orange Grand Cru 50.4 bcd Crank set (Version 1) 46-30 $75.00 (I 
> found the second dust cap). 
>
> -Phil Wood 135 mm bottom bracket, no mounting rings, Some scratches on 
> shell, $75.00
>
> -Nitto dirt drop stem 25.4 clamp, 8 cm extension, 150mm above min 
> insertion, $38.00
>
> -Nitto dirt drop stem 26.0 clamp, 10 cm extension, 120mm above min 
> insertion, $38.00
>
> -Nitto periscope stem 25.4 clamp, 8 cm extension, 190mm above min 
> insertion $34.00
>
> -Phil wood “Rivy” 26in wheel set with Velocity Aeroheat rims 36 spoke, 
> includes IRD 13-32 7spd freewheel and suntour 13-34 7spd freewheel, built 
> by Rich at Rivendell $275.00. 
>
> -Carradice Super C rear panniers $150.00
>
> -Carradice Cape roll, inner pocket stitching cut to make 1 big pocket, 
> $23.00
>
>  -Bridgestone MB2 or 3 frame, unsure of the year. Had it powder coated by 
> Cycle Art several years ago. Great frame, includes headset and BB. Seat 
> tube = 50cm c-c, Top tube = 58cm c-c.  $275.00
>
> - Dave Scott Centurion Ironman road frame. Tange Prestige tubing. Bottom 
> Bracket not included. Seat tube = 59cm c-c, Top tube = 57cm c-c. $225.00. 
>  
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[RBW] Re: FW: For Sale; Tom Ritchey fillet brazed LONG Frame, Fork, HS

[pb]

Holy cow...  that price is a GIFT.
 
Of course, I also own a Timber Comp, which (1) I really like, and (2) I 
think is worth more than that.
 
:-)
 
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[RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

[Montclair BobbyB]

To add more clearance out front, I used a long spacer (about 1 1/2 inch?) 
and longer bolt, and it clears the basket.  Easy, cheap solution, and I 
prefer to use the front mount of the Nitto rack, above the wheel.

BB
On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 1:54:01 PM UTC-4, Rick Houston wrote:
>
> Minh, I'll put the pics of the frame with the attached rack/basket on here 
> later on today; the light is the Supernova E3, seen here: 
> http://supernova-lights.com/en/products/e3pro2.html

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[RBW] Re: FS - Lots of parts, tires, bags... Updated list

[Andrew Letton]

From: Andrew Letton 
To: RBW List ; iBOB list 

Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 12:16:44 AM
Subject: [BOB] FS - Lots of parts, tires, bags...


Bike Parts For Sale - Updated list 7 May 2013

I'm trying to fund the purchase of a Luxos U light and make space in the bike 
shed...

Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/letton/sets/72157633395213659/

* Shimano 105 BR-5500 brakeset with un-used stock pads. (~49mm max reach). $35 
plus shipping
* SRAM 7.0 rear derailleur, both twist shifters, grips, and anti-friction 
rings. 
$25 plus shipping  (Also see the twist grip compatible v brake levers I have 
for 
sale)
* One bikesworth generic V brakes. No mounting screws. $10 plus shipping  (Also 
see the twist grip compatible v brake levers I have for sale)
* One bikesworth generic black V brake LEVERS that are compatible with twist 
grip  shifters above. (no photo yet) $10 plus shipping
* One wheelsworth generic V brake, new condition. Includes both mounting 
screws, 
noodle, and rubber boot. (I found the second mounting screw after I took the 
photo.)  $6 plus shipping.
* SunTour MicroDrive8 cassette hub, 32 hole, new, no skewer.  $15 plus shipping
* Primo Comet tire:  One 19-349 size. $10 plus shipping
* Bontrager Race Lite 700x23 dual compound folding tire.  Used for "exactly" 
160 
miles.  (I bought it from a support guy when my Rolly Poly got a irreparable 
gash in it, 40 miles into the Davis Double.)  $10 plus shipping
* Titec Setback Seatpost, very tall!   Some scratches on the post (see photos) 
26.8mm.  $20 plus shipping
* Kalloy silver seatpost. Some scratches on the bottom 130mm, but in very good 
condition on the top 150mm. 27.2mm diameter.  $10 plus shipping
* SunTour XC Pro seatpost, very good condition, 26.8mm diameter. $40 plus 
shipping
* SunTour Superbe non-aero brake levers, scratched up, with non-matching but 
usable hoods. $10 plus shipping


Prices do not include shipping.  PayPal "Family" preferred.
If I'm way out of line on pricing, let me know.
Please reply off-list.
Thanks!
Andrew



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[RBW] Re: Bosco'd the Hilsen

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah... auto-correct... 

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:01:03 PM UTC-4, PeterG wrote:
>
> i like email too...i guess...Did i miss something?
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:25:04 PM UTC-7, Crazy4Suki wrote:
>>
>> I have Boscos on my Hilsen. I like email but am not sure if I like email 
>> better than the albas I have on my betty. I often grab near the bend near 
>> the shifters when I don't want to be too upright.
>
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[RBW] Re: Cloth Tape over Cork Grips?

[Deacon Patrick]

Here's the post shellac photo. Darkened up beautifully (included in the 
shot is the "naked" remnant for comparison. Looking forward to riding it 
after it dries.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:27:24 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My cork grips are starting to chip (apparently enjoying their age and/or 
> being tossed around too much). I love their girth and shape, so before they 
> fall apart I am planning on cloth tape/shellacing them. 
>
> I plan on starting with them and wrapping up so I have a solid finished 
> edge on them. Should I add twine, which I will use on the top just under 
> the shifters, located at the top of the bend of the bars?
>
> Any advice? 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa - the first of a whole new horse breed?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Thanks for posting this... I've long been a Jeff Jones fan, and I think 
he's definitely heading in the right direction.  I was recently at the 
Fruita Fat Tire Festival (in Western CO), and I ran into 2 guys from Surly 
(Bob and Matt, great guys). They were each riding leftover prototypes of 
the Krampus (29er with Knard tires), and were kind enough to let me take 
one out for a spin.  While the weekend event seemed to be drowning in a sea 
of carbon and full-suspension bikes, THIS honestly was the highlight of the 
weekend..  a fully-rigid steel 29er with FAT TIRES!!   I rode 2 demo bikes 
(with ridiculous price tags); a Giant carbon hardtail race 29er 
(ridiculously light, but squirrelly), and a Santa Cruz Tallboy carbon, full 
suspension.. each had a 10-speed cassette.  I have long admired Santa Cruz; 
I still think they're one of the best MTB manufacturers.  I rode the 
Tallboy for 2 days, and honestly, I couldn't wait to get off it.  I hated 
the mushy feel and the lack of connection to the trail.  When I arrived 
back in NJ, I gratefully hugged my steel Niner.   

Overall I have to say I was deeply disappointed by the array of bikes I saw 
from the big manufacturers at the Festival... I don;t know, I must be 
losing touch.

BB

On Monday, May 6, 2013 5:35:32 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>
> I would really underscore Keven's comments via Jim Thill.  And I've seen 
> Keven ride his on trails in the hills behind Riv (non-East bay types can 
> read that as foothills).  I saw him climb and descend.  It's all true. 
>
> I never thought Riv could make a little enough Appaloosa for me, but they 
> had one I could stand over and off I went.  As most of you know, it was a 
> total epiphany and is going to be the Riv Chica Warrior Warhorse.  Then  I 
> was talked to one of the exhibit maintenance guys here at the museum who 
> rides like crazy all year around.  As in bought a REFRIDGERATOR and hauled 
> it home on his bike trailer.  Anyway, he's been following the custom-caper 
> with rapt attention and got very excited when he saw the long chainstays.  
> The first words out of his mouth were "comfort."  Some other 
> bike-pal-bike-mechanics also got excited at seeing the pictures:  "that 
> bike'll do anything you want it to do, go anywhere you need it to go."
>

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[RBW] Re: Cloth Tape over Cork Grips?

[Scot Brooks]

Hi Patrick, looks like the photo is missing. Well, I can't see it anyway. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Plastic Fenders and Hetres

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hey Alex,

That's awesome!  I may get the Leger tires whenever my regular Hetres
wear out.  Did you have any brake reach issues in the rear?

Toshi


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Alex Zeibot  wrote:
> Here is my newly converted 650b Rambouillet with new Hetre Legers and SKS
> Longboards.  The tires and fenders fit just perfectly fine with few
> millimeters to spare.  FWIW - The new Legers are exact 41mm wide.
> Pictures:
>
> 650b converted Rambouillet w/Herte Leger and Longboards
>
> Alex,
> St. Paul,

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[RBW] Re: Cloth Tape over Cork Grips?

[Deacon Patrick]

Oops. Here 'tis...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/8717798307/in/photostream

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 3:16:34 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Here's the post shellac photo. Darkened up beautifully (included in the 
> shot is the "naked" remnant for comparison. Looking forward to riding it 
> after it dries.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:27:24 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> My cork grips are starting to chip (apparently enjoying their age and/or 
>> being tossed around too much). I love their girth and shape, so before they 
>> fall apart I am planning on cloth tape/shellacing them. 
>>
>> I plan on starting with them and wrapping up so I have a solid finished 
>> edge on them. Should I add twine, which I will use on the top just under 
>> the shifters, located at the top of the bend of the bars?
>>
>> Any advice? 
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>  
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Phil Wood, Carradice, Sugino, Campy, and more....

[Matt Gilkey]

Sold, sorry. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Plastic Fenders and Hetres

[Shoji Takahashi]

Orange w/blue handlebars on that 650b Ram are great. Love the WI crank, too.

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 6:09:30 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>
> Hey Alex, 
>
> That's awesome!  I may get the Leger tires whenever my regular Hetres 
> wear out.  Did you have any brake reach issues in the rear? 
>
> Toshi 
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Alex Zeibot 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > Here is my newly converted 650b Rambouillet with new Hetre Legers and 
> SKS 
> > Longboards.  The tires and fenders fit just perfectly fine with few 
> > millimeters to spare.  FWIW - The new Legers are exact 41mm wide. 
> > Pictures: 
> > 
> > 650b converted Rambouillet w/Herte Leger and Longboards 
> > 
> > Alex, 
> > St. Paul, 
>

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[RBW] Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

[samh]

I was fascinated by the discussion here:

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/02/choosing-your-gospel-rivendell-vs.html

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[RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

[dougP]

She's done a decently balanced review.  I love my Atlantis (now well over 
40,000 miles) and anxiously await every issue of BQ.  I do not agree 
completely with either Grant or Jan but both have well substantiated 
arguments for their philosophies.  To me, it boils down to Grant's 
statement (somewhere?) that "...a bike frame is a place to hang the parts 
you want..." and Jan's belief that one must start with the wheel & tire 
size and design an integrated bicycle from there, considering rider weight, 
luggage, racks, lights, etc.  Grant's approach demands versatility whereas 
Jan's seems to lean toward specificity.  Granted Jan's ideas lead to a bike 
that's still quite versatile, but bikes built to his ideal will be more 
rider specific; i.e., built for one rider's height, weight, etc.  

I've learned a lot from both of these guys, and they both contribute real, 
useful information.  I'm glad we've got resources such as Grant & Jan in 
the bicycle world.  They are both into real world cycling that we can 
relate to and actually enjoy.  Thumbs up to Lovely Bicycle for a great 
article.

dougP

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:00:05 PM UTC-7, samh wrote:
>
> I was fascinated by the discussion here:
>
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/02/choosing-your-gospel-rivendell-vs.html
>
>

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[RBW] NYC 5 Boro Bike Tour

[djbardwil]

My first time at this great event in New York City which took me to places 
I've never seen before, couldn't get to by car and certainly wouldn't get 
there by bike on a normal day (like the Verrazano Bridge).  Over 32,000+ 
riders and I spotted 2 Atlantis (myself included), a Roadeo and what looked 
to be a custom on the side of a bridge belonging to an event coordinator.

Some photos of the day including a pair of Atlantis:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718430299/in/pool-rivendell/

A non-stop photo-op of a Roadeo on the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718430299/in/pool-rivendell/

Along with other shots of some pretty well-known NYC landmarks.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718428451/in/pool-rivendell/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718429691/in/pool-64927372@N00/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718429159/in/pool-rivendell/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8719546330/in/pool-64927372@N00/


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[RBW] Rivendells on the NYC 5 Boro Bike Tour

[djbardwil]

My first time at this great event in New York City which took me to places 
I've never seen before, couldn't get to by car and certainly wouldn't get 
there by bike on a normal day (like the Verrazano Bridge).  Over 32,000+ 
riders and I spotted 2 Atlantis (myself included), a Roadeo and what looked 
to be a custom on the side of a bridge belonging to an event coordinator.

Some photos of the day including a pair of Atlantis:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8719545316/in/pool-rivendell/

A non-stop photo-op of a Roadeo on the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718430299/in/pool-rivendell/

Along with other shots of some pretty well-known NYC landmarks.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718428451/in/pool-rivendell/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718429691/in/pool-64927372@N00/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718429159/in/pool-rivendell/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8719546330/in/pool-64927372@N00/


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[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.

[hsmitham]

Okay thanks for all the information. Here's what I'm going to try, V-8 
juice, Nunn tablets and or potassium tablets. I knew if I asked this  group 
I'd get the advice I was looking for.  As a rule I like pickles and the 
juice. Again much thanks, and happy riding.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:18:11 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
> I don't cramp.  Not even when I did the coast to coast tour.  Always 
> assumed it to be a genetics thing.
>  
> If diet controls cramping, then I suggest animal free Mediterranean diet 
> as that's mine.  Of course I do bonk every now and then.  My body fat is 
> low and it is sometimes hard to keep optimal calorie flow when riding long 
> distance with loaded panniers day after day.
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[RBW] The last tall Atlantis frames

[BSWP]

Just because I'm curious, when were the last tall Atlantis frames made, the 
66cm, and 68cm versions? Do these sizes ever come up for resale?

Jim's frame geometry page http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html is 
very helpful, but I can't find the year that production stopped on the 
taller frames.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I'm a strong advocate of not reading too much navel-gazing analyses of geometry 
and other BS, and JUST RIDE. That said...

It could be that what makes an optimal bike for brevets in the Cascades is 
somewhat different than what goes into GP's family of all-rounders that get 
tested on the rocky goat paths of Shell Ridge in Walnut Creek. Sure, a lot of 
Riv owners and enthusiasts get seduced by the romance of brevets, but I've 
never read GP expressing much interest in brevets, or in optimizing his bikes 
for Jan's front-loaded version of brevets. Undersized tubing? Maybe it's not 
obvious to everybody, but a lot of plus-sized people are drawn to Riv by the 
promise of high-bar comfort and sturdiness. Put some chugging 270-pounder on a 
bike with undersized tubes, and it's likely to get a bit too exciting to be 
enjoyable.

I come down on the Riv side. I shy away from the faintest whiff of daintiness 
and anything that seems French. I draw a lot more parallels between RBW and 
Surly than I do between RBW and the integrated rando bike concept.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

[Seth Vidal]

I agree with your points on lighter or thinner tubing, Jim, One thing I
have considered, thought, is sending off the romulus and getting a new fork
made for it in what would be a decidedly high rake (low trail) bike.
Like Rene has done on this list.

I think that would be a better test to see if I'm happier with it or not -
independent of tubing and other choices.

That's why when I saw this post from soma I was fairly excited
http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2013/05/low-trail-forks.html

They will likely only make them for 1-1/8" threadless but I'd think about
picking up a cross check or a pacer or a double cross to try that out.

Having said that whenever I ride the hilsen or the romulus I'm reminded
that it is really super pleasant to ride the way it is and leaving it alone
doesn't cost anything, then I think about other things and then I notice a
coffee shop and my mind slips to other things altogether.

:)

-sv

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Re: [RBW] The last tall Atlantis frames

[Seth Vidal]

I think Leslie posted last week that there is one last 67cm Hilsen at
Mountain sports Limited in Bristol, VA.

it's not an atlantis but it's a damned fine bike. :)

-sv



On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:08 PM, BSWP  wrote:

> Just because I'm curious, when were the last tall Atlantis frames made,
> the 66cm, and 68cm versions? Do these sizes ever come up for resale?
>
> Jim's frame geometry page http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html is
> very helpful, but I can't find the year that production stopped on the
> taller frames.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: Rivendells on the NYC 5 Boro Bike Tour

[Michael]

>
> Cannot see. They are all set to private.
>

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Re: [RBW] The last tall Atlantis frames

[James Warren]

A bit before the Bombadil was released.I remember around the time it was announced that the largest sizes were being discontinued, representatives of Rivendell were stating that the people who would have been served by such an Atlantis size could be almost equally well served by the new Bombadil in its big sizes. At that time, the Bombadil frame's price was not too much higher than the Atlantis.Hard to place the year in my head; they are starting to blend together in my memory. 2008, 2009?-Original Message-
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Subject: [RBW] The last tall Atlantis frames

Just because I'm curious, when were the last tall Atlantis frames made, the 66cm, and 68cm versions? Do these sizes ever come up for resale?Jim's frame geometry page http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html is very helpful, but I can't find the year that production stopped on the taller frames.- Andrew, Berkeley



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[RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

[hsmitham]

+1 on what Jim said. I love my Hilsen and still learning about it's 
behavior which so far is stable and nimble enough.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:09:54 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> I'm a strong advocate of not reading too much navel-gazing analyses of 
> geometry and other BS, and JUST RIDE. That said...
>
> It could be that what makes an optimal bike for brevets in the Cascades is 
> somewhat different than what goes into GP's family of all-rounders that get 
> tested on the rocky goat paths of Shell Ridge in Walnut Creek. Sure, a lot 
> of Riv owners and enthusiasts get seduced by the romance of brevets, but 
> I've never read GP expressing much interest in brevets, or in optimizing 
> his bikes for Jan's front-loaded version of brevets. Undersized tubing? 
> Maybe it's not obvious to everybody, but a lot of plus-sized people are 
> drawn to Riv by the promise of high-bar comfort and sturdiness. Put some 
> chugging 270-pounder on a bike with undersized tubes, and it's likely to 
> get a bit too exciting to be enjoyable.
>
> I come down on the Riv side. I shy away from the faintest whiff of 
> daintiness and anything that seems French. I draw a lot more parallels 
> between RBW and Surly than I do between RBW and the integrated rando bike 
> concept.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

[samh]

--She's done a decently balanced review.

I think the really interesting stuff is in the comments.

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Re: [RBW] The last tall Atlantis frames

[samh]

I would guess the date production stopped was one or two years earlier than 
James Warren posted, with some shops still having them in stock after 
production stopped.  I searched for a tall sized Atlantis for many years, 
and I only say 1 per year that was for sale, and I was never successful in 
purchasing one.   At one point when the debate on the large sized Atlanti 
heated up, Grant posted that he would make a tall size for an upcharge.

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:29:10 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote:
>
> A bit before the Bombadil was released.
>
> I remember around the time it was announced that the largest sizes were 
> being discontinued, representatives of Rivendell were stating that the 
> people who would have been served by such an Atlantis size could be 
> almost equally well served by the new Bombadil in its big sizes. At that 
> time, the Bombadil frame's price was not too much higher than the 
> Atlantis.
>
> Hard to place the year in my head; they are starting to blend together in 
> my memory. 2008, 2009?
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: BSWP 
> Sent: May 7, 2013 8:08 PM 
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: [RBW] The last tall Atlantis frames 
>
> Just because I'm curious, when were the last tall Atlantis frames made, 
> the 66cm, and 68cm versions? Do these sizes ever come up for resale?
>
> Jim's frame geometry page http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html is 
> very helpful, but I can't find the year that production stopped on the 
> taller frames.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: Rivendells on the NYC 5 Boro Bike Tour

[samh]

Can confirm. Private.


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Re: [RBW] The last tall Atlantis frames

[BSWP]

Well, I suppose one could order up a large Atlantis as a custom frame... 
that's a not insignificant upcharge. Or will Waterford do a large frame for 
a set price extra fee? Hmm...

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:59:08 PM UTC-7, samh wrote:
>
> I would guess the date production stopped was one or two years earlier 
> than James Warren posted, with some shops still having them in stock after 
> production stopped.  I searched for a tall sized Atlantis for many years, 
> and I only say 1 per year that was for sale, and I was never successful in 
> purchasing one.   At one point when the debate on the large sized Atlanti 
> heated up, Grant posted that he would make a tall size for an upcharge.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] NYC 5 Boro Bike Tour

[cyclotourist]

Good looking bike!

Cheers,
David



On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM, djbardwil  wrote:

> My first time at this great event in New York City which took me to places
> I've never seen before, couldn't get to by car and certainly wouldn't get
> there by bike on a normal day (like the Verrazano Bridge).  Over 32,000+
> riders and I spotted 2 Atlantis (myself included), a Roadeo and what looked
> to be a custom on the side of a bridge belonging to an event coordinator.
>
> Some photos of the day including a pair of Atlantis:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718430299/in/pool-rivendell/
>
> A non-stop photo-op of a Roadeo on the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718430299/in/pool-rivendell/
>
> Along with other shots of some pretty well-known NYC landmarks.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718428451/in/pool-rivendell/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718429691/in/pool-64927372@N00/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8718429159/in/pool-rivendell/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/8719546330/in/pool-64927372@N00/
>
>
> Enjoy!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendells on the NYC 5 Boro Bike Tour

[cyclotourist]

I can see them... and they show in the Riv group pool:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/rivendell/pool/
Looks like the photostream is all private though, as you can't scroll
through. But can see individually from link and pool???

Cheers,
David



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> Can confirm. Private.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

[Brian Hanson]

Jan and Grant remind me of old "Outdoor Life" writers like Jack O'Connor
who brought romance and excitement to their sport (hunting).  They promote
the sport they love through their ideas and designs, but both love
different things about the sport/lifestyle.  I generally love reading
everything they write.  They are both right on for their respective
audiences.  We would be a poorer group if either was gone, and it will be a
sad day when they retire from the bike world.

Brian
Seattle, WA


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