Re: [RBW] Found at the Co-Op Tonight
Hey Joe that's exactly it! I knew some one would pull out the arcane Nitto-knowledge!! Now to decide which bike will be graced by the new shiny thing Good thing it's new-bike-day! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
While Fat Tire Flyer was my main influence into riding bikes with wider tires, the short-lived magazine Mountain Bike - for the Adventure put out by Hank Barlow was more my style. It focused more on touring back roads and recreational riding, moreso than racing. Although racing did show up in the magazine. The first issue actually had reviews of small tents for mountain bike touring. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: I pre-ordered mine on Amazon back when a first came available and devoured it once I got it. You are right, I almost got the Kindle version but that would ahve been such a waste on a library quality, coffee table sized book full of illustrations and photos. I've watched Klunkerz, read Barto's Birth of Dirt as well as a lot of articles but I still learned some fascinating stuff. I also highly recommend it to anyone interested in bike history. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 1:31:12 PM UTC-6, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, all- Re: the Marin-legacy and it's influence on bike culture, check out Charlie Kelley's new memoir, Fat Tire Flyer. It's a book of both lavish production quality as well as a compelling storytelling. =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 11/5/14, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: Nice article. So basically we are just going back to the All-Terrain Bikes that came out of Marin County in the late 70's and early 80's. I've done a bit of reading about the history of the MTB (as well as watching Klunkerz) and those guys (and a couple of girls) were really just doing exactly what Guitar Ted is talking aboutdeveloping bikes that could be ridden almost anywhere. The whole downhill/extreme terrain thing came about when the racers took over. I know that Repack was all about racing and was a huge influence but it seems those guys were doing a lot of what would now be called expedition biking. I've evolved to prefer just that type of bike and no longer have any interest in riding anything less than 55mm tires. When I picked up a 1984 MTB last year, I did some research on bikes from that era and in 1985 Bicycling put out a book and they were still referring to them as ATB's, which is actually much more appropriate than mountain bike. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:21:18 AM UTC-6, Noah Deuce wrote: Hyperbole, sure, but the drum GP has been beating for decades (better tire clearance, too much emphasis on racing, etc.) has finally turned into a product category that may save the industry from itself. Just see the latest by Guitar Ted: http://www.gravelgrindernews.com/less-about-the-rock-and- more-about-the-roll/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Found at the Co-Op Tonight
Maybe the new to you Bombadil, Tony? On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:49:38 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Hey Joe that's exactly it! I knew some one would pull out the arcane Nitto-knowledge!! Now to decide which bike will be graced by the new shiny thing Good thing it's new-bike-day! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
I think there are increasing options for both types of rides. Lots of folks like to challenge themselves with epic, high mileage gravel grinders, but I see plenty who are doing more laid back rambles. My personal motto is Half the Distance, Twice the Time, Three Times the Fun. One type is, I suspect, more brag/news/net-worthy, but that does not mean the other is not as common. John G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Found at the Co-Op Tonight
Looks like Riv sold these about 15 years ago, according to an archived BOB list post. http://search.bikelist.org/beta/ViewMessage.aspx?id=57946 They probably found the last NOS stash somewhere and cleared it out, like they did with a lot of vintage Suntour. The early catalogs are full of historical gems, and are good clue sheets for bin-picking. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:30 AM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the new to you Bombadil, Tony? On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:49:38 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Hey Joe that's exactly it! I knew some one would pull out the arcane Nitto-knowledge!! Now to decide which bike will be graced by the new shiny thing Good thing it's new-bike-day! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
Eric: Indeed, Mountain Bike WAS an excellent magazine, and (having grown up on a fat-tired Schwinn Typhoon), I remember in 1985 how smitten I became with the whole idea of mountain bikes... WOW, the mere notion of riding bikes in the back-country just blew my mind. For the entire month of June 1985 I was on a business trip in Pueblo Colorado, where I would hang out every day after work at the local bike shop talking mountain biking with the staff. I bought a copy of Mountain Bike mag, and there was a feature article about Crested Butte and the emerging mountain biking scene. I checked the map (hmm, just a few hours away), made hotel reservations for the weekend in Crested Butte, found a local shop to rent me a Rockhopper, and spent 2 glorious days riding the high country above CB (Schofield Pass, etc.)... I was HOOKED for life! Now 30 years later, while my mountain biking has evolved somewhat, and I followed the industry trends for awhile (dabbling with full-suspension, aluminum, titanium, etc) I've gone back to riding a simple, fully-rigid steel frame/fork (kinda like the original 80s bikes), not because I'm nostalgic, but because it just FEELS right. And as for the original 80s designs, I think the industry absolutely nailed it in designing perfect workhorse all-rounders build to last... And think about it... the frames, shifters, brake levers, derailleurs etc of the 80s are still around (I actually prefer them) because they were built to LAST! It's a shame that most of the industry (starting in the late 80s) seemed to drift away from building these super-high-quality, overbuilt bikes and components in favor of evolving designs, and (IMO) cheaper-quality... I hope we're seeing this trend reversed... On Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:01:52 AM UTC-5, EricP wrote: While Fat Tire Flyer was my main influence into riding bikes with wider tires, the short-lived magazine Mountain Bike - for the Adventure put out by Hank Barlow was more my style. It focused more on touring back roads and recreational riding, moreso than racing. Although racing did show up in the magazine. The first issue actually had reviews of small tents for mountain bike touring. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: I pre-ordered mine on Amazon back when a first came available and devoured it once I got it. You are right, I almost got the Kindle version but that would ahve been such a waste on a library quality, coffee table sized book full of illustrations and photos. I've watched Klunkerz, read Barto's Birth of Dirt as well as a lot of articles but I still learned some fascinating stuff. I also highly recommend it to anyone interested in bike history. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 1:31:12 PM UTC-6, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, all- Re: the Marin-legacy and it's influence on bike culture, check out Charlie Kelley's new memoir, Fat Tire Flyer. It's a book of both lavish production quality as well as a compelling storytelling. =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 11/5/14, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: Nice article. So basically we are just going back to the All-Terrain Bikes that came out of Marin County in the late 70's and early 80's. I've done a bit of reading about the history of the MTB (as well as watching Klunkerz) and those guys (and a couple of girls) were really just doing exactly what Guitar Ted is talking aboutdeveloping bikes that could be ridden almost anywhere. The whole downhill/extreme terrain thing came about when the racers took over. I know that Repack was all about racing and was a huge influence but it seems those guys were doing a lot of what would now be called expedition biking. I've evolved to prefer just that type of bike and no longer have any interest in riding anything less than 55mm tires. When I picked up a 1984 MTB last year, I did some research on bikes from that era and in 1985 Bicycling put out a book and they were still referring to them as ATB's, which is actually much more appropriate than mountain bike. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:21:18 AM UTC-6, Noah Deuce wrote: Hyperbole, sure, but the drum GP has been beating for decades (better tire clearance, too much emphasis on racing, etc.) has finally turned into a product category that may save the industry from itself. Just see the latest by Guitar Ted: http://www.gravelgrindernews.com/less-about-the-rock-and- more-about-the-roll/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: [RBW] Found at the Co-Op Tonight
Tim, I noticed the same old link when I searched this morning. Funny, I was working on a bike for my Mom (I'll share pictures soon) and I needed a stem/handlebar to just test out my headset install... I looked up on the rack of 'quality' products at the co-op and the sweeet clamp nut jumped out at me about the same time as the moustache bar curve did. I installed it on the project bike and forgot completely about testing out the headset... such a cool looking stem. Anyway a quick phone call to our full time co-op employee who sets the prices and it was mine. More impulsive than most of my bike purhcases that are exhaustively researched and fretted over. For whatever reason I was sure I 'needed' it w/out even googling it. Erl the Bombadil (pickup this afternoon!) is going to get to try this stem on for sure. It is coming w/ a sweet Bullmoose cockpit already but I could see the new stem w/ Noodles as an alternative for sure. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Found at the Co-Op Tonight
Nice! I had one from a yellow Fuji Extra-Heavy Road Racer. I used the Fujita Belt saddle for years, too. Rivendell sold through a cache of these a number of years ago, I believe. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Found at the Co-Op Tonight
Extra-Heavy Road Racer If you drop the racer that is a pretty good description for all my bikes! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
Right, and GP wasn't the only one preaching that sermon. There was also Jan Heine and to a lesser extent and more recently, VO. I do dislike the term gravel grinding, because it has connotations of effort and exertion. I prefer dirt-road riding, or gravel road riding, or even mixed terrain riding, but none of those sound particularly catchy. Anton On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:13:20 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: not quite decades... but certainly for the last few years. Many Rivs from the late 90's wont fit anything larger than 32mm tires. And lest we forget many sport tourers from the 60-70's fit 35mm tires. and of course those demi-balloon 40-50 mm tired bikes from France. as far as gravel riders the gravel races are races, full lycra kits and an emphasis on speed ... certainly not unracers. ~mike On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:21:18 AM UTC-8, Noah Deuce wrote: Hyperbole, sure, but the drum GP has been beating for decades (better tire clearance, too much emphasis on racing, etc.) has finally turned into a product category that may save the industry from itself. Just see the latest by Guitar Ted: http://www.gravelgrindernews.com/less-about-the-rock-and-more-about-the-roll/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
I couldn't agree more. My tastes in bikes have evolved but I've pretty much arrived at wanting an mid-to-late 80's style All-Rounder bike. I struggled with the idea of buying a full-fledged MTB for over a year but I finally got out and tried true single-track and discovered I did not enjoy it at all. Pavement, dirt roads, gravel roads, fire trails and even relatively smooth but wider single-track sounds fun. I'm more into the journey and the scenery than the high speed, high adrenaline rush of shredding. I think the closest thing in my price range is going to be a 26 Long Haul Trucker and that's what I plan to purchase in the Spring. I'm thinking it will have the benefits of my Takara Highlander but with much more nimble and responsive steering. I'm hoping it's my perfect bike. I'll probably keep my Takara as a dedicated single-speed because it is just SO MUCH FUN to ride!! I almost forgot to ask, but do you remember if your Schwinn Typhoon had the horrendous wheel flop that many early ATB's shared and also DID many of the early 80's ATB's have that characteristic? I might replace the Takara as a single-speed if I can find a mid-to-late 80's ATB with longer chainstays but a steeper headangle and with forward facing dropouts. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:06:13 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Eric: Indeed, Mountain Bike WAS an excellent magazine, and (having grown up on a fat-tired Schwinn Typhoon), I remember in 1985 how smitten I became with the whole idea of mountain bikes... WOW, the mere notion of riding bikes in the back-country just blew my mind. For the entire month of June 1985 I was on a business trip in Pueblo Colorado, where I would hang out every day after work at the local bike shop talking mountain biking with the staff. I bought a copy of Mountain Bike mag, and there was a feature article about Crested Butte and the emerging mountain biking scene. I checked the map (hmm, just a few hours away), made hotel reservations for the weekend in Crested Butte, found a local shop to rent me a Rockhopper, and spent 2 glorious days riding the high country above CB (Schofield Pass, etc.)... I was HOOKED for life! Now 30 years later, while my mountain biking has evolved somewhat, and I followed the industry trends for awhile (dabbling with full-suspension, aluminum, titanium, etc) I've gone back to riding a simple, fully-rigid steel frame/fork (kinda like the original 80s bikes), not because I'm nostalgic, but because it just FEELS right. And as for the original 80s designs, I think the industry absolutely nailed it in designing perfect workhorse all-rounders build to last... And think about it... the frames, shifters, brake levers, derailleurs etc of the 80s are still around (I actually prefer them) because they were built to LAST! It's a shame that most of the industry (starting in the late 80s) seemed to drift away from building these super-high-quality, overbuilt bikes and components in favor of evolving designs, and (IMO) cheaper-quality... I hope we're seeing this trend reversed... On Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:01:52 AM UTC-5, EricP wrote: While Fat Tire Flyer was my main influence into riding bikes with wider tires, the short-lived magazine Mountain Bike - for the Adventure put out by Hank Barlow was more my style. It focused more on touring back roads and recreational riding, moreso than racing. Although racing did show up in the magazine. The first issue actually had reviews of small tents for mountain bike touring. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: I pre-ordered mine on Amazon back when a first came available and devoured it once I got it. You are right, I almost got the Kindle version but that would ahve been such a waste on a library quality, coffee table sized book full of illustrations and photos. I've watched Klunkerz, read Barto's Birth of Dirt as well as a lot of articles but I still learned some fascinating stuff. I also highly recommend it to anyone interested in bike history. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 1:31:12 PM UTC-6, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, all- Re: the Marin-legacy and it's influence on bike culture, check out Charlie Kelley's new memoir, Fat Tire Flyer. It's a book of both lavish production quality as well as a compelling storytelling. =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 11/5/14, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: Nice article. So basically we are just going back to the All-Terrain Bikes that came out of Marin County in the late 70's and early 80's. I've done a bit of reading about the history of the MTB (as well as watching Klunkerz) and those guys (and a couple of girls) were really just doing exactly what Guitar Ted is
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
It may be hearsay, but I believe the (book, not old zine/mag) FTF describes a batch of Ritchey-built Moutainbikes that had incorrect ht angle / rake... which were sold at discount t to their friends @Specialized. Curiously, the first-gen batch of Japanese stumpjumpers appeared! replicating the error. And then everybody and their uncle jumped into the business... and the rest as they say is history! =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 11/6/14, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: I couldn't agree more. My tastes in bikes have evolved but I've pretty much arrived at wanting an mid-to-late 80's style All-Rounder bike. I struggled with the idea of buying a full-fledged MTB for over a year but I finally got out and tried true single-track and discovered I did not enjoy it at all. Pavement, dirt roads, gravel roads, fire trails and even relatively smooth but wider single-track sounds fun. I'm more into the journey and the scenery than the high speed, high adrenaline rush of shredding. I think the closest thing in my price range is going to be a 26 Long Haul Trucker and that's what I plan to purchase in the Spring. I'm thinking it will have the benefits of my Takara Highlander but with much more nimble and responsive steering. I'm hoping it's my perfect bike. I'll probably keep my Takara as a dedicated single-speed because it is just SO MUCH FUN to ride!! I almost forgot to ask, but do you remember if your Schwinn Typhoon had the horrendous wheel flop that many early ATB's shared and also DID many of the early 80's ATB's have that characteristic? I might replace the Takara as a single-speed if I can find a mid-to-late 80's ATB with longer chainstays but a steeper headangle and with forward facing dropouts. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:06:13 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Eric: Indeed, Mountain Bike WAS an excellent magazine, and (having grown up on a fat-tired Schwinn Typhoon), I remember in 1985 how smitten I became with the whole idea of mountain bikes... WOW, the mere notion of riding bikes in the back-country just blew my mind. For the entire month of June 1985 I was on a business trip in Pueblo Colorado, where I would hang out every day after work at the local bike shop talking mountain biking with the staff. I bought a copy of Mountain Bike mag, and there was a feature article about Crested Butte and the emerging mountain biking scene. I checked the map (hmm, just a few hours away), made hotel reservations for the weekend in Crested Butte, found a local shop to rent me a Rockhopper, and spent 2 glorious days riding the high country above CB (Schofield Pass, etc.)... I was HOOKED for life! Now 30 years later, while my mountain biking has evolved somewhat, and I followed the industry trends for awhile (dabbling with full-suspension, aluminum, titanium, etc) I've gone back to riding a simple, fully-rigid steel frame/fork (kinda like the original 80s bikes), not because I'm nostalgic, but because it just FEELS right. And as for the original 80s designs, I think the industry absolutely nailed it in designing perfect workhorse all-rounders build to last... And think about it... the frames, shifters, brake levers, derailleurs etc of the 80s are still around (I actually prefer them) because they were built to LAST! It's a shame that most of the industry (starting in the late 80s) seemed to drift away from building these super-high-quality, overbuilt bikes and components in favor of evolving designs, and (IMO) cheaper-quality... I hope we're seeing this trend reversed... On Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:01:52 AM UTC-5, EricP wrote: While Fat Tire Flyer was my main influence into riding bikes with wider tires, the short-lived magazine Mountain Bike - for the Adventure put out by Hank Barlow was more my style. It focused more on touring back roads and recreational riding, moreso than racing. Although racing did show up in the magazine. The first issue actually had reviews of small tents for mountain bike touring. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: I pre-ordered mine on Amazon back when a first came available and devoured it once I got it. You are right, I almost got the Kindle version but that would ahve been such a waste on a library quality, coffee table sized book full of illustrations and photos. I've watched Klunkerz, read Barto's Birth of Dirt as well as a lot of articles but I still learned some fascinating stuff. I also highly recommend it to anyone interested in bike history. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 1:31:12 PM UTC-6, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Chris, all- Re: the Marin-legacy and it's influence on bike culture, check out Charlie Kelley's new memoir, Fat Tire Flyer. It's a book of both lavish production
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
Yes, that was pretty much the story I was referencing. This seems to imply that the huge wheel flop my Takara has is a result of all the other bike companies basically copying the Stumpjumper, which itself was a flawed copy of the original Ritchey MTB's. It really makes me wonder how the Ritchey's handled and also how that first batch of 10 Breezers handled. Charley Kelly made it quite clear who he thinks really designed the Stumpjumper, despite some other guy's name being printed on the frame. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:11:57 AM UTC-6, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: It may be hearsay, but I believe the (book, not old zine/mag) FTF describes a batch of Ritchey-built Moutainbikes that had incorrect ht angle / rake... which were sold at discount t to their friends @Specialized. Curiously, the first-gen batch of Japanese stumpjumpers appeared! replicating the error. And then everybody and their uncle jumped into the business... and the rest as they say is history! =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 11/6/14, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: I couldn't agree more. My tastes in bikes have evolved but I've pretty much arrived at wanting an mid-to-late 80's style All-Rounder bike. I struggled with the idea of buying a full-fledged MTB for over a year but I finally got out and tried true single-track and discovered I did not enjoy it at all. Pavement, dirt roads, gravel roads, fire trails and even relatively smooth but wider single-track sounds fun. I'm more into the journey and the scenery than the high speed, high adrenaline rush of shredding. I think the closest thing in my price range is going to be a 26 Long Haul Trucker and that's what I plan to purchase in the Spring. I'm thinking it will have the benefits of my Takara Highlander but with much more nimble and responsive steering. I'm hoping it's my perfect bike. I'll probably keep my Takara as a dedicated single-speed because it is just SO MUCH FUN to ride!! I almost forgot to ask, but do you remember if your Schwinn Typhoon had the horrendous wheel flop that many early ATB's shared and also DID many of the early 80's ATB's have that characteristic? I might replace the Takara as a single-speed if I can find a mid-to-late 80's ATB with longer chainstays but a steeper headangle and with forward facing dropouts. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:06:13 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Eric: Indeed, Mountain Bike WAS an excellent magazine, and (having grown up on a fat-tired Schwinn Typhoon), I remember in 1985 how smitten I became with the whole idea of mountain bikes... WOW, the mere notion of riding bikes in the back-country just blew my mind. For the entire month of June 1985 I was on a business trip in Pueblo Colorado, where I would hang out every day after work at the local bike shop talking mountain biking with the staff. I bought a copy of Mountain Bike mag, and there was a feature article about Crested Butte and the emerging mountain biking scene. I checked the map (hmm, just a few hours away), made hotel reservations for the weekend in Crested Butte, found a local shop to rent me a Rockhopper, and spent 2 glorious days riding the high country above CB (Schofield Pass, etc.)... I was HOOKED for life! Now 30 years later, while my mountain biking has evolved somewhat, and I followed the industry trends for awhile (dabbling with full-suspension, aluminum, titanium, etc) I've gone back to riding a simple, fully-rigid steel frame/fork (kinda like the original 80s bikes), not because I'm nostalgic, but because it just FEELS right. And as for the original 80s designs, I think the industry absolutely nailed it in designing perfect workhorse all-rounders build to last... And think about it... the frames, shifters, brake levers, derailleurs etc of the 80s are still around (I actually prefer them) because they were built to LAST! It's a shame that most of the industry (starting in the late 80s) seemed to drift away from building these super-high-quality, overbuilt bikes and components in favor of evolving designs, and (IMO) cheaper-quality... I hope we're seeing this trend reversed... On Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:01:52 AM UTC-5, EricP wrote: While Fat Tire Flyer was my main influence into riding bikes with wider tires, the short-lived magazine Mountain Bike - for the Adventure put out by Hank Barlow was more my style. It focused more on touring back roads and recreational riding, moreso than racing. Although racing did show up in the magazine. The first issue actually had reviews of small tents for mountain bike touring. Eric Platt St.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
More than a mountain bike or gravel grinder I love the idea of an all-terrain, go anywhere, ride all day bike that can do it all (DIA): http://www.mountainflyermagazine.com/view.php/touching-metal.html - David G in San Diego On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote: Right, and GP wasn't the only one preaching that sermon. There was also Jan Heine and to a lesser extent and more recently, VO. I do dislike the term gravel grinding, because it has connotations of effort and exertion. I prefer dirt-road riding, or gravel road riding, or even mixed terrain riding, but none of those sound particularly catchy. Anton On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:13:20 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: not quite decades... but certainly for the last few years. Many Rivs from the late 90's wont fit anything larger than 32mm tires. And lest we forget many sport tourers from the 60-70's fit 35mm tires. and of course those demi-balloon 40-50 mm tired bikes from France. as far as gravel riders the gravel races are races, full lycra kits and an emphasis on speed ... certainly not unracers. ~mike On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:21:18 AM UTC-8, Noah Deuce wrote: Hyperbole, sure, but the drum GP has been beating for decades (better tire clearance, too much emphasis on racing, etc.) has finally turned into a product category that may save the industry from itself. Just see the latest by Guitar Ted: http://www.gravelgrindernews. com/less-about-the-rock-and-more-about-the-roll/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Riv for the wife
I usually push off with my left foot on the pedal and right foot on the ground, swinging my right leg up and over the back, which works well unless there's a kid on the back. That's when I appreciate the low top tube of my Yuba as I have to step through and then pedal off. Best, Eric Indpls, IN On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 4:12:09 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: I keep one foot on the ground, swing the other up and over the back. Works fine even with my large SaddleSack. If I've loaded it with tent, sleeping bag, and pad, then I just pop my foot over the top bar. I've done the pedal mount you describe, Jay, but it's more than my vertigo addled brain can handle. The good news for me is that living on the floor greatly and naturally increases flexibility, so it's easy on and off. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 52cm 650B Orange Waterford Canti
SOLD !! Thank you On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:24:38 AM UTC-8, re...@bpa.gov wrote: $1000 Almost complete bike. Pictures: http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/bik/4736517461.html My first Rivendell Bike purchased from Rivendell May 2010. Rode the bike in all weather conditions. I acquired A Homer Hilsen and I now ride only this bike. My height is 5’ 8” and my PBH is 81cm, Normal scratches with different color nail polish touch-up. All the parts are used. 10,000+ miles Sam Hillborne 52/650B Orange Waterford Canti Serial #D10011 Purchased May 2010 Schwalbe 650B x 42 Marathon Tires with tubes Shimano 8 speed Cassette 13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32 Sugino XD2 Crank 170cm 46-36-26 Brake Caliper V Shimano Deore Silver Brake levers-V Tektro Road Nitto Noodle 46cm Handlebar Nitto Stem 8cm Tange Headset Shifters Bar End Silver Shimano Deore XT Triple Front derailleur Shimano XT Rapid Rise (Low Normal) Long Cage Rear derailleur Wheels Budget 650B 36 spoke Deore Hub/Twinhollow SKS Fenders Silver 700x45 Selle An-Atomica Titanico LD Mahogany Saddle Kalloy UNO SeatPost Shimano Bottom Bracket Crane Brass Bell Pletscher Twin-Legger Kickstand *Not Included: *Pedals,Chain, Shifting Cables Housing Rodney Lee, Portland, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Front Rack 34F
Mine just came today but I wanna return it. You want mine? I am in Silverlake. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:54:17 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: Straight forward looking for a Nitto Big Front Rack with the hardware for my Alantis. Can PayPal or? Send me a private message if interested in parting with yours. -Hugh Los Angeles,CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sackville Bar sack on front rack?.
I am thinking about adding an accessory bar below the handlebars as a mount for the F15. One example is the Thorn Accessory Bar T Shaped 55 mm Extension http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-accessory-bar-t-shaped-55-mm-extension-0-deg-prod11041/?geoc=us . [image: Thorn Thorn Accessory Bar T Shaped 55 mm Extension - 0 Deg] Other options may be available, or something hand-built to fit into the stack above the headset. Cheers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Hilsen Overhaul
What derailleurs have you been breaking? My Hilsen has a 44-41-24 triple setup. This originally came with a nondescript wide-range triple front derailleur, which shifted miserably. I then put on an old SunTour Supurbe racing derailleur. This shifts like a dream on the 17-tooth jump from the small chainwheel. The Supurbe came off my old bike with a 49-44-26 TA chainset, where it also shifted quite well over the 23-tooth jump. That old bike now has a old Huret Jubilee front derailleur, which is quite serviceable, despite the apparent delicacy, for a bike that doesn't get ridden much anymore. Reading elsewhere I have found numerous comments that a standard racing double often works better for extreme jumps than a wide range triple. This may be because the shorter cage is stiffer. Your 14-tooth difference should present no problem. An added benefit would be that the shorter cage would allow the front derailleur to sit closer to the outer chainring without interference with the chainstay. An old Campy Record might do the trick. The Shimano FD CX70 sold by Rivendell http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/d14.htm might work as well for your wide double. Cheers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] WTB ATLANTIS/HUNQ
Hi all, I thought i'd try my luck on the list for used goods. I'm after an Atlantis, ideally 58 so i can stick with my excellent 700c wheelset OR a 54 Hunqapillar. Cosmetic condition does not bother me! I am located in Australia but if the price and frame are right then I'm fine with that postage bill. I've been on a Rawland rSogn with drop bars for the last year and while i do like it, i end up riding around on my Shogun touring bike with albatross' bars a whole lot more. I like the low trail steering and front loading of the Rawland but it just doesn't work with upright bars and the Shogun is a bit flimsy, worn out and doesnt fit wide tyres, the Hunq and Atlantis seem to be the two Riv's closest to what im after... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
About the influence thing, with practical bikes, and so on: I'm not dumb enough or falsely humble enough to deny that Rivendell has had influence, but to put it on ME gives me too much credit. As some have pointed out, lots of what we're doing with bikes has been done before in some form--bigger tires, fitting, higher bars, fenders, baskets, bags, steel lugs. ALL OF IT. The whole industry got racified (like the word or not) starting in about the early '80s (road) and late '80s (mtn), and that's where everything seems to go. A few ride bikes. More ride bikes. Then somebody says I can beat that guy and another says heythen let's see you prove it, and the races happen, there's suddenly an audience (nobody's a commute spectator), and with the audience comes opportunity to ... market. Spectators admire racers and want to be like them to whatever extent their lives allow it, and that changes equipment. So the high-clearance bikes and brakes of the pre-race era stopped being made, and the early RIVs used whatever brakes were available--and they were short-reach, which is limiting. Through some of our efforts Shimano reintroduced a med reach sidepull--still in existence--and when we wanted more clearance we went to Tektro for the Silver brake, which is now available also as a 559. That was a huge breakthrough, and you can see it and its cheaper cousins on bikes all over the US and Europe now, but my point is that all we did was push the ball, and it would have stopped without your support. This is neat, because it has proved that NON-racers can drive things, too. The internet helps. Without the emotional support and affirmation that comes from unseen strangers, a lot of people would be timid to go this way, or wouldn't even know it was an option. When people thank us for making a bike, I always thankem back for buying it, and behind the thanks is a long speech they don't have time to hear about how we wouldn't make this stuff if people didn't buy it. It's not the same as being market-driven--something that I hope we never are. It's more like those of you who are reading this and liking and supporting it with your purchases...are rewarding any effort we make, and that's the fuel for more of it. There are still some areas that need addressing, and we're trying to work on them. It would be so much easier if well-funded companies did it, but the stuff we like --- and, I'd say the stuff YOU like --the same stuff, I think --- is too quirky for big people with money to understand UNTIL it gets out there, which it does thru us but because of you...so, thanks. It's funny to say thanks, because after a longish explanation like that, adding thanks seems like a passive agressive way to reel in more credit as I wind this thing up, but I swear to god I'm not trying to do that. Of COURSE we-all-here-at-RIV appreciate the support, which means jobs and a living and all that--but the main point is that good ideas are easy, and what really makes them work and spread is what happens on your end. G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: New Imperial Honey B17
The saddle, stock tensioning strings, and wrench. Brown, white, red, blue strings. The blue is recommended if you have a Bleriot. Matches good! Briefly mounted on my new Rivendell and then removed after a couple test rides in nice weather. Less than 30 miles on it I would guess. It is a beautiful saddle. Feels great, but I just like the cush of sprung saddles better. No clamp marks on rails. Looks brand new because it is except for the brief test rides. 110$ shipped anywhere in the continental USA. Paypal only please. Pics here! https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/15541052577/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: New Imperial Honey B17
more pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/15726385255/in/set-72157648756456368/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: New Imperial Honey B17
Here is the album of pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/sets/72157648756456368/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 52cm 650B Orange Waterford Canti
I love finding homes for bikes. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:38 PM, re...@bpa.gov re...@bpa.gov wrote: SOLD !! Thank you On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:24:38 AM UTC-8, re...@bpa.gov wrote: $1000 Almost complete bike. Pictures: http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/bik/4736517461.html My first Rivendell Bike purchased from Rivendell May 2010. Rode the bike in all weather conditions. I acquired A Homer Hilsen and I now ride only this bike. My height is 5’ 8” and my PBH is 81cm, Normal scratches with different color nail polish touch-up. All the parts are used. 10,000+ miles Sam Hillborne 52/650B Orange Waterford Canti Serial #D10011 Purchased May 2010 Schwalbe 650B x 42 Marathon Tires with tubes Shimano 8 speed Cassette 13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32 Sugino XD2 Crank 170cm 46-36-26 Brake Caliper V Shimano Deore Silver Brake levers-V Tektro Road Nitto Noodle 46cm Handlebar Nitto Stem 8cm Tange Headset Shifters Bar End Silver Shimano Deore XT Triple Front derailleur Shimano XT Rapid Rise (Low Normal) Long Cage Rear derailleur Wheels Budget 650B 36 spoke Deore Hub/Twinhollow SKS Fenders Silver 700x45 Selle An-Atomica Titanico LD Mahogany Saddle Kalloy UNO SeatPost Shimano Bottom Bracket Crane Brass Bell Pletscher Twin-Legger Kickstand *Not Included: *Pedals,Chain, Shifting Cables Housing Rodney Lee, Portland, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Believing that carbs are the sole or even primary cause of obesity requires you to completely disregard the bulk of humanity that exists on a high carb diet and yet is healthy. I follow a lot of nutrition websites, including several run by folks with PhD's in the biological sciences and who do professional research in nutrition and obesity. They say that nobody in the relevant scientific community takes Taube's theory seriously. Research reportedly shows that low-carb and low-fat diets have equally dismal results at one year out. These same scientists admit that some people do seem to benefit from a low-carb diet but it is very far from a requirement. In fact, one of the most well respected bloggers (she wrote a well loved criticism of The China Studay and it's call for a vegan or vegetarian diet) presented a talk in which she found that among diabetics, a low-carb diet controls the systems but a low-fat diet (10% fat and primarily vegetarian) actually CURES diabetes. My favorite blogger is a guy named Stephan Guyenet. He's an obesity researcher and his theory is that it's simply a calorie surplus that is caused by a combination of factors. Excess refined carbs are definately one of them but his primary emphasis is food palatability, which theorizes that certain combinations of fat, salt, sugar and refined carbohydrates alters our neurological appetite regulation, causing us to overeat. Our horrible food environment is also noted as a culprit. His personal recommendation is a diet of whole foods (a good idea that few could argue with and that most diets incorporate) with an emphasis on starches and vegetables with smaller amounts of animal proteins.just like the blue zone people who have the highest longevity rates in the world. It's way more complex than just carbs. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:00:36 PM UTC-6, Evan wrote: Jay Hartman: I, too, have asked that question: Namely, if I'm already slender and healthy and reasonably fit, would a low-carb, high-fat diet make me healthier still? Perhaps it would. And perhaps Grant's book will help to explain. In the meantime, I think Gary Taubes said something to the effect of this: If you're fat, carbs did it. If you're not fat, you're not fat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
The emotional support and affirmation is so important. Most of the people I ride with have carbon bikes, or if we're riding off-road, they have full-suspension mountain bikes. It can be hard to be the only one on steel, with wider tires. Without the affirmation that I'm not the only one, I'd have a tough time saying, No. That's not what I want. Those narrow tires, that carbon fiber bike, those bikes that can't carry anything, those don't fulfill my needs, when everyone else is telling me to get a carbon fiber road bike and a suspension on my off-road bike. So thanks, Grant, and thanks, all Riv folks on this list, for having my back. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Grant Petersen eatbacondont...@gmail.com wrote: This is neat, because it has proved that NON-racers can drive things, too. The internet helps. Without the emotional support and affirmation that comes from unseen strangers, a lot of people would be timid to go this way, or wouldn't even know it was an option. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] WTB Nitto Big Front Rack 34F
Hugh: I have one, which was formerly on my 61cm Atlantis. Excellent (really, like new) condition. They're $200 new -- how about $165 shipped (I suspect the shipping is pretty steep, given the necessarily large size of the box). Tom -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of hsmitham Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:54 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] WTB Nitto Big Front Rack 34F Straight forward looking for a Nitto Big Front Rack with the hardware for my Alantis. Can PayPal or? Send me a private message if interested in parting with yours. -Hugh Los Angeles,CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
Well, sure, Grant Petersen might be awww shucks but what 'bout Grant Peterson? I hear that guy's a jerk On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: The emotional support and affirmation is so important. Most of the people I ride with have carbon bikes, or if we're riding off-road, they have full-suspension mountain bikes. It can be hard to be the only one on steel, with wider tires. Without the affirmation that I'm not the only one, I'd have a tough time saying, No. That's not what I want. Those narrow tires, that carbon fiber bike, those bikes that can't carry anything, those don't fulfill my needs, when everyone else is telling me to get a carbon fiber road bike and a suspension on my off-road bike. So thanks, Grant, and thanks, all Riv folks on this list, for having my back. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Grant Petersen eatbacondont...@gmail.com wrote: This is neat, because it has proved that NON-racers can drive things, too. The internet helps. Without the emotional support and affirmation that comes from unseen strangers, a lot of people would be timid to go this way, or wouldn't even know it was an option. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I would invite anyone who is interested in alternative viewpoints to follow the link provided here and read some of Dr. Guyenet's work. Pay particular attention to the tasteless liquid through a straw experiment. The results indicate that something really is different in the brains of obese people vs the brains of normal weight people. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/food-reward-dominant-factor-in-obesity.html On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:24:52 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Compass Loup Loup 650b x 38 vertical height tire measurement needed, please.
Can anyone measure for me the vertical height measurement of your Loup Loup pass tires above your rim at their minimum inflation pressure as indicated on the tire's sidewall, whatever that is? So the distance the Loupys stand above the edge of the rim. I have the grand Bois rims, I think 23mm wide. But I guess any rim will give me an idea. I have Hetres on my fendered Bleriot but the clearance is minimal under the brake calipers and fenders, and wondering how much vertical clearance I will gain if I switch to the 38 Loup Loup tires. Thanks for taking the time to measure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
LOVE Cunningham's and Potts' concept. The execution of the concept.not so much. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:25:45 AM UTC-6, David G wrote: More than a mountain bike or gravel grinder I love the idea of an all-terrain, go anywhere, ride all day bike that can do it all (DIA): http://www.mountainflyermagazine.com/view.php/touching-metal.html - David G in San Diego On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Right, and GP wasn't the only one preaching that sermon. There was also Jan Heine and to a lesser extent and more recently, VO. I do dislike the term gravel grinding, because it has connotations of effort and exertion. I prefer dirt-road riding, or gravel road riding, or even mixed terrain riding, but none of those sound particularly catchy. Anton On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:13:20 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: not quite decades... but certainly for the last few years. Many Rivs from the late 90's wont fit anything larger than 32mm tires. And lest we forget many sport tourers from the 60-70's fit 35mm tires. and of course those demi-balloon 40-50 mm tired bikes from France. as far as gravel riders the gravel races are races, full lycra kits and an emphasis on speed ... certainly not unracers. ~mike On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:21:18 AM UTC-8, Noah Deuce wrote: Hyperbole, sure, but the drum GP has been beating for decades (better tire clearance, too much emphasis on racing, etc.) has finally turned into a product category that may save the industry from itself. Just see the latest by Guitar Ted: http://www.gravelgrindernews. com/less-about-the-rock-and-more-about-the-roll/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Gary Taubes writes a book. Somebody who doesn't agree says It's way more complex than just carbs Stephan Guyenet wirtes a blog. Somebody who doesn't agree says. It's way more complex than just calories in vs calories out Both critics are factually correct in saying it's more complex than just one thing. But neither of those two writers claim that it's just one thing. I'll check out Stephan Guyenet, and I liked the tasteless liquid post, but I don't see how that's in any way counter to Gary Taubes. When I read Taubes book, it made me want to eat less pizza, and cut out soda entirely. Now I snack on nuts instead of Doritos. I don't think Guyenet would tell me I made a bad decision. There's a lot more common ground than people make it out to be. Both would say eat less garbage. The thing that Taubes critics seem to consistently miss is Taubes entire argument is based not on carbs, but on genetics. Everything about the diet you need to find for yourself is you developing a workaround for the genetic hand you were dealt. Some people eat lots of carbs and stay skinny, because their genetic hand allows it. Good for them. You should only expect to get the same results as that person if you copy their diet and their genetics. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Alternative viewpoints to what? Low carb? The standard American diet? I didn't see any new information there and I saw nothing that refutes a low carb approach. One reality I've personally experienced, and the science supports, is that meals high in fat (in my case, 80-90% of calories come from fat) are amazingly satiating and filling and satisfying and also trigger the I'm full as appropriate. The result is the same as the experiments Guyenet cites, but with the added benefit of amazing, tasty food. These folks went on a self-regulated calorie negative diet, which by definition means they were in ketosis most of the time (possibly all the time), getting nearly all their energy from their body's fat stores. This would seem to confirm the health benefits of switching from sugar burning/fat storing to fat burning, which is precisely what a paleo or low carb diet does. Also, those studies do not explore the question Why did those folks have issues with the pleasure center of their brain, causing them to over eat? One very plausible explanation, which the science supports, is it is the result of the carb/insulin cycle altering brain as well as body chemistry. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:33:03 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I would invite anyone who is interested in alternative viewpoints to follow the link provided here and read some of Dr. Guyenet's work. Pay particular attention to the tasteless liquid through a straw experiment. The results indicate that something really is different in the brains of obese people vs the brains of normal weight people. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/food-reward-dominant-factor-in-obesity.html On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:24:52 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Super C Saddle Bag (New) Hold Fast Foot Straps (3 Pairs)
BAG SOLD! On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 7:37:41 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote: Since the bike fleet has shrunk, I have some extra stuff to move along. All prices include shipping in the US.Payment via paypal and buyer to cover any fees. Carradice Super C Saddle Bag (New): $80This is a large bag that is tall and not so wide. This bag has not been used and still has the original packaging. http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/Mobile%20Uploads/E92DF089-77CD-4F41-99A8-02B8CB94F833_zps5mchjcim.jpg http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/Mobile%20Uploads/390F2DD8-D420-4D95-9A7B-1096052D128A_zps1bmvu0e0.jpg http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/Mobile%20Uploads/BAEE3CD3-DE8D-4748-B072-80A35F0B3F54_zpsk1dl2s8l.jpg 3 sets of Hold Fast Straps: Lightly used $35. (Red/Yellow/Blue) http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/Mobile%20Uploads/493473B0-DAB9-43E1-86AA-DB63299695F8_zpsfysqblbg.jpg http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/Mobile%20Uploads/F4AF2F05-D965-4F6D-B95E-F1FE4FF66C97_zpshb1yzwxp.jpg http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/Mobile%20Uploads/5E9AAEC1-22C3-41E9-BF05-A1B66FAC8D14_zpsdaqhtjzp.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Thanks for posting this, Chris. My own guiding principle in such matters is nil novum sub sole and my guiding rule is that any theory (in diet as in other matters) that purports to be radically different will go away within a decade. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Believing that carbs are the sole or even primary cause of obesity requires you to completely disregard the bulk of humanity that exists on a high carb diet and yet is healthy. I follow a lot of nutrition websites, including several run by folks with PhD's in the biological sciences and who do professional research in nutrition and obesity. They say that nobody in the relevant scientific community takes Taube's theory seriously. Research reportedly shows that low-carb and low-fat diets have equally dismal results at one year out. These same scientists admit that some people do seem to benefit from a low-carb diet but it is very far from a requirement. In fact, one of the most well respected bloggers (she wrote a well loved criticism of The China Studay and it's call for a vegan or vegetarian diet) presented a talk in which she found that among diabetics, a low-carb diet controls the systems but a low-fat diet (10% fat and primarily vegetarian) actually CURES diabetes. My favorite blogger is a guy named Stephan Guyenet. He's an obesity researcher and his theory is that it's simply a calorie surplus that is caused by a combination of factors. Excess refined carbs are definately one of them but his primary emphasis is food palatability, which theorizes that certain combinations of fat, salt, sugar and refined carbohydrates alters our neurological appetite regulation, causing us to overeat. Our horrible food environment is also noted as a culprit. His personal recommendation is a diet of whole foods (a good idea that few could argue with and that most diets incorporate) with an emphasis on starches and vegetables with smaller amounts of animal proteins.just like the blue zone people who have the highest longevity rates in the world. It's way more complex than just carbs. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:00:36 PM UTC-6, Evan wrote: Jay Hartman: I, too, have asked that question: Namely, if I'm already slender and healthy and reasonably fit, would a low-carb, high-fat diet make me healthier still? Perhaps it would. And perhaps Grant's book will help to explain. In the meantime, I think Gary Taubes said something to the effect of this: If you're fat, carbs did it. If you're not fat, you're not fat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Incidentally, remembering the story in Daniel about the captives turning away the rich meats offered by the king and turning out healthier than everyone else on a diet of legumes, I was amused and appalled to see that even this has been turned into a theory and a diet. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for posting this, Chris. My own guiding principle in such matters is nil novum sub sole and my guiding rule is that any theory (in diet as in other matters) that purports to be radically different will go away within a decade. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Believing that carbs are the sole or even primary cause of obesity requires you to completely disregard the bulk of humanity that exists on a high carb diet and yet is healthy. I follow a lot of nutrition websites, including several run by folks with PhD's in the biological sciences and who do professional research in nutrition and obesity. They say that nobody in the relevant scientific community takes Taube's theory seriously. Research reportedly shows that low-carb and low-fat diets have equally dismal results at one year out. These same scientists admit that some people do seem to benefit from a low-carb diet but it is very far from a requirement. In fact, one of the most well respected bloggers (she wrote a well loved criticism of The China Studay and it's call for a vegan or vegetarian diet) presented a talk in which she found that among diabetics, a low-carb diet controls the systems but a low-fat diet (10% fat and primarily vegetarian) actually CURES diabetes. My favorite blogger is a guy named Stephan Guyenet. He's an obesity researcher and his theory is that it's simply a calorie surplus that is caused by a combination of factors. Excess refined carbs are definately one of them but his primary emphasis is food palatability, which theorizes that certain combinations of fat, salt, sugar and refined carbohydrates alters our neurological appetite regulation, causing us to overeat. Our horrible food environment is also noted as a culprit. His personal recommendation is a diet of whole foods (a good idea that few could argue with and that most diets incorporate) with an emphasis on starches and vegetables with smaller amounts of animal proteins.just like the blue zone people who have the highest longevity rates in the world. It's way more complex than just carbs. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:00:36 PM UTC-6, Evan wrote: Jay Hartman: I, too, have asked that question: Namely, if I'm already slender and healthy and reasonably fit, would a low-carb, high-fat diet make me healthier still? Perhaps it would. And perhaps Grant's book will help to explain. In the meantime, I think Gary Taubes said something to the effect of this: If you're fat, carbs did it. If you're not fat, you're not fat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Alternative viewpoints to what? Low carb? The standard American diet? I didn't see any new information there and I saw nothing that refutes a low carb approach. One reality I've personally experienced, and the science supports, is that meals high in fat (in my case, 80-90% of calories come from fat) are amazingly satiating and filling and satisfying and also trigger the I'm full as appropriate. The result is the same as the experiments Guyenet cites, but with the added benefit of amazing, tasty food. These folks went on a self-regulated calorie negative diet, which by definition means they were in ketosis most of the time (possibly all the time), getting nearly all their energy from their body's fat stores. This would seem to confirm the health benefits of switching from sugar burning/fat storing to fat burning, which is precisely what a paleo or low carb diet does. Also, those studies do not explore the question Why did those folks have issues with the pleasure center of their brain, causing them to over eat? One very plausible explanation, which the science supports, is it is the result of the carb/insulin cycle altering brain as well as body chemistry. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:33:03 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I would invite anyone who is interested in alternative viewpoints to follow the link provided here and read some of Dr. Guyenet's work. Pay particular attention to the tasteless liquid through a straw experiment. The results indicate that something really is different in the brains of obese people vs the brains of normal weight people. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/food- reward-dominant-factor-in-obesity.html On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:24:52 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?
Yep, I had the VO stabilizer for a while, then moved and disassembled bike and lost the parts. It works well. Solves your problem. Then Chris gave me another, and I haven't added it yet. Irish strap on the front wheel when you park does the same thing. (I learned this from Chris). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way* Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Super C Panniers - Front and/or Rear
SOLD. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Taube's book just gave me, and just about every Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, East Inidan, and Vietnamese person an excuse to ignore Grant's new book, since all of our ancestors mainly ate grains--mostly rice, and never seemed to exhibit pandemic obesity and the chronic diseases that come with them. I am really glad about it since I am a vegan for other reasons. so glad... Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:43:43 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way* Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Wait, didn't the irish mainly subsist on potatoes, or is that a myth? If they did, did they have a obesity epidemic, or was the life expectancy so short that most folks died of something else before they got fat? Wait, what's the life expectancy of our paleo ancestors? Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:05:43 PM UTC-8, franklyn wrote: Taube's book just gave me, and just about every Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, East Inidan, and Vietnamese person an excuse to ignore Grant's new book, since all of our ancestors mainly ate grains--mostly rice, and never seemed to exhibit pandemic obesity and the chronic diseases that come with them. I am really glad about it since I am a vegan for other reasons. so glad... Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:43:43 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way* Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Indians, Nepalese, Filipinos, Kenyans (posho), Italians, Chinese, French, Irish, Polish, pre-modern Europeans, and on and on and on ... Your answer doesn't work, it seems to me. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way* Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I'm not totally anti-Taubes and in fact, when I first read his books, I bought it hook-line-and-sinker but further reading of other viewpoints and more importantly, actual researchers and experts in the field (Taubes is a journalist, albeit a very intelligent and physics educated journalist) has convinced me that Taubes' focus is just too narrow. Last I heard he was moving more toward a sugar is the devil viewpoint and collaborating with Dr. Lustig on a new book. I think that's a more specific shot in the right direction. Also, to give Taubes credit, he founded an organization with another blogger (whose name I forget but it's very Greek) to fund research into his ideas. I would encourage people to do their own reading and come to their own conclusions about this stuff. I think the Ancestral Health folks are on the right track with their emphasis on natural meats, vegetables, fruits and nuts. They are coming around to accepting starchy tubers and rice as acceptable but this wasn't the case a few years ago when Taubes was a leading influence for them. Humans have too many genetic markers for digesting starches to assume that these mostly carb foods are bad for us. A resistance to grass grains, sugar and vegetable oils is much easier to support. On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:24:52 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Do I detect irony? Quite seriously: I don't deny that some people have benefited in some ways from the paleo diet. What I dispute is that it represents a universal norm. History shows that it does not do so. I think that we have to look elsewhere for the pandemic of obesity and chronic diseases that plague modernity. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, franklyn sini...@msn.com wrote: Wait, didn't the irish mainly subsist on potatoes, or is that a myth? If they did, did they have a obesity epidemic, or was the life expectancy so short that most folks died of something else before they got fat? Wait, what's the life expectancy of our paleo ancestors? Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:05:43 PM UTC-8, franklyn wrote: Taube's book just gave me, and just about every Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, East Inidan, and Vietnamese person an excuse to ignore Grant's new book, since all of our ancestors mainly ate grains--mostly rice, and never seemed to exhibit pandemic obesity and the chronic diseases that come with them. I am really glad about it since I am a vegan for other reasons. so glad... Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:43:43 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way* Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Researchers are now saying that a person could almost live on potatoes alone and be healthy. They actually have almost all the nutrients necessary to sustain life. This probably wouldn't work for someone who already has Type 2 Diabetes but a normal weight person probably isn't going to get fat eating potatoes. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:08:29 PM UTC-6, franklyn wrote: Wait, didn't the irish mainly subsist on potatoes, or is that a myth? If they did, did they have a obesity epidemic, or was the life expectancy so short that most folks died of something else before they got fat? Wait, what's the life expectancy of our paleo ancestors? Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:05:43 PM UTC-8, franklyn wrote: Taube's book just gave me, and just about every Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, East Inidan, and Vietnamese person an excuse to ignore Grant's new book, since all of our ancestors mainly ate grains--mostly rice, and never seemed to exhibit pandemic obesity and the chronic diseases that come with them. I am really glad about it since I am a vegan for other reasons. so glad... Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:43:43 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way* Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Patrick, Excellent question. I know this gets explored and, to my mind, answered in The Perfect Health Diet -- but the general concept is that the traditional diet, on Okinawa for example, was very high fat (pork) and some rice and tubers (safe starches). The newer generation(s) eating less meat and fat and more rice are experiencing the diseases of civilization, which were previously unheard of in those parts. Additionally, the religious practice of intermittent fasting on a regular basis dramatically helps heal the body, with the body entering into autophagia, in which the many and various leftover bits floating around are consumed and used for energy rather than lingering and causing problems. From my reading,t here are two camps that consistently live a long time: high fat/low carb (natural fats, not industrial, and high in leafy greens) or some version of intermittent fasting and intentional calorie restriction (like the diet of a monk). With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:36:30 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Alternative viewpoints to what? Low carb? The standard American diet? I didn't see any new information there and I saw nothing that refutes a low carb approach. One reality I've personally experienced, and the science supports, is that meals high in fat (in my case, 80-90% of calories come from fat) are amazingly satiating and filling and satisfying and also trigger the I'm full as appropriate. The result is the same as the experiments Guyenet cites, but with the added benefit of amazing, tasty food. These folks went on a self-regulated calorie negative diet, which by definition means they were in ketosis most of the time (possibly all the time), getting nearly all their energy from their body's fat stores. This would seem to confirm the health benefits of switching from sugar burning/fat storing to fat burning, which is precisely what a paleo or low carb diet does. Also, those studies do not explore the question Why did those folks have issues with the pleasure center of their brain, causing them to over eat? One very plausible explanation, which the science supports, is it is the result of the carb/insulin cycle altering brain as well as body chemistry. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:33:03 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I would invite anyone who is interested in alternative viewpoints to follow the link provided here and read some of Dr. Guyenet's work. Pay particular attention to the tasteless liquid through a straw experiment. The results indicate that something really is different in the brains of obese people vs the brains of normal weight people. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/food- reward-dominant-factor-in-obesity.html On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:24:52 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
1. I think a vast array of diets work for different people. Do you agree? 2. I think the reason a vast array of diets work for different people because people differ. Do you agree? 3. I think a bad combination of Diet x Genetics can have bad results. Do you agree? 4. I think that the diet that works for person A might not work for person B, because they might be different. Do you agree? 5. I think everyone would be better off (at least no worse off) with zero Doritos and soda pop. Do you agree? I think we might be 5 for 5 on this, Patrick Moore. Sometimes you are determined to disagree with me, but I think you're going to have to look hard to find a reason on this. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:08:40 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Indians, Nepalese, Filipinos, Kenyans (posho), Italians, Chinese, French, Irish, Polish, pre-modern Europeans, and on and on and on ... Your answer doesn't work, it seems to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
But that doesn't explain the mainstream Japanese diet and the noted longevity and general health of the mainstream Japanese. Nor the health of starch eating populations over the greater part of history. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Patrick, Excellent question. I know this gets explored and, to my mind, answered in The Perfect Health Diet -- but the general concept is that the traditional diet, on Okinawa for example, was very high fat (pork) and some rice and tubers (safe starches). The newer generation(s) eating less meat and fat and more rice are experiencing the diseases of civilization, which were previously unheard of in those parts. Additionally, the religious practice of intermittent fasting on a regular basis dramatically helps heal the body, with the body entering into autophagia, in which the many and various leftover bits floating around are consumed and used for energy rather than lingering and causing problems. From my reading,t here are two camps that consistently live a long time: high fat/low carb (natural fats, not industrial, and high in leafy greens) or some version of intermittent fasting and intentional calorie restriction (like the diet of a monk). With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:36:30 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Alternative viewpoints to what? Low carb? The standard American diet? I didn't see any new information there and I saw nothing that refutes a low carb approach. One reality I've personally experienced, and the science supports, is that meals high in fat (in my case, 80-90% of calories come from fat) are amazingly satiating and filling and satisfying and also trigger the I'm full as appropriate. The result is the same as the experiments Guyenet cites, but with the added benefit of amazing, tasty food. These folks went on a self-regulated calorie negative diet, which by definition means they were in ketosis most of the time (possibly all the time), getting nearly all their energy from their body's fat stores. This would seem to confirm the health benefits of switching from sugar burning/fat storing to fat burning, which is precisely what a paleo or low carb diet does. Also, those studies do not explore the question Why did those folks have issues with the pleasure center of their brain, causing them to over eat? One very plausible explanation, which the science supports, is it is the result of the carb/insulin cycle altering brain as well as body chemistry. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:33:03 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I would invite anyone who is interested in alternative viewpoints to follow the link provided here and read some of Dr. Guyenet's work. Pay particular attention to the tasteless liquid through a straw experiment. The results indicate that something really is different in the brains of obese people vs the brains of normal weight people. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/food-reward- dominant-factor-in-obesity.html On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:24:52 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
This doesn't answer the question! Are you saying that the Paleo diet works well for a very small number of people? On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1. I think a vast array of diets work for different people. Do you agree? 2. I think the reason a vast array of diets work for different people because people differ. Do you agree? 3. I think a bad combination of Diet x Genetics can have bad results. Do you agree? 4. I think that the diet that works for person A might not work for person B, because they might be different. Do you agree? 5. I think everyone would be better off (at least no worse off) with zero Doritos and soda pop. Do you agree? I think we might be 5 for 5 on this, Patrick Moore. Sometimes you are determined to disagree with me, but I think you're going to have to look hard to find a reason on this. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:08:40 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Indians, Nepalese, Filipinos, Kenyans (posho), Italians, Chinese, French, Irish, Polish, pre-modern Europeans, and on and on and on ... Your answer doesn't work, it seems to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I don't know how many people the Paleo diet does not work for. I don't know how many people get fat on leafy greens and healthy meat. I don't know how many people cut the sugars and get fatter. I don't know how many people cut bread from their diet and get fatter. I do know that Paleo is very Pro-Carb. The favorite paleo snack is a sweet potato microwaved. I do know that Paleo is rice-ambivalent. My Filipino wife feeds me plenty of rice. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:33:59 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: This doesn't answer the question! Are you saying that the Paleo diet works well for a very small number of people? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
If we're going to get paleo, let's talk about lifespan. Paleo lifespan was in the teens - it moved into the 40s with the advent of grain agriculture. If a diet works for you, more power to you, just don't impale other healthy people with it. Let's talk about obesity. It's also paleo. It's your body deciding that you mean to do this - store up fat, so your metabolism drops and you store up fat. BTW, when you gain weight, you add fat cells, When you lose weight, your fat cells never decrease, they just lean out. So maintaining a healthy weight and an active metabolism goes a long to naturally regulating your diet. Also don't stick American fast fooddiet on those of us who don't eat it. I did have French Fries once this year - they were pretty good - they didn't hurt me. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:10:10 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Alternative viewpoints to what? Low carb? The standard American diet? I didn't see any new information there and I saw nothing that refutes a low carb approach. One reality I've personally experienced, and the science supports, is that meals high in fat (in my case, 80-90% of calories come from fat) are amazingly satiating and filling and satisfying and also trigger the I'm full as appropriate. The result is the same as the experiments Guyenet cites, but with the added benefit of amazing, tasty food. These folks went on a self-regulated calorie negative diet, which by definition means they were in ketosis most of the time (possibly all the time), getting nearly all their energy from their body's fat stores. This would seem to confirm the health benefits of switching from sugar burning/fat storing to fat burning, which is precisely what a paleo or low carb diet does. Also, those studies do not explore the question Why did those folks have issues with the pleasure center of their brain, causing them to over eat? One very plausible explanation, which the science supports, is it is the result of the carb/insulin cycle altering brain as well as body chemistry. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:33:03 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I would invite anyone who is interested in alternative viewpoints to follow the link provided here and read some of Dr. Guyenet's work. Pay particular attention to the tasteless liquid through a straw experiment. The results indicate that something really is different in the brains of obese people vs the brains of normal weight people. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/food-reward-dominant-factor-in-obesity.html On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:24:52 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
You are right, Patrick. It does not explain it. But it is explainable (and I think part of the explanation is found in a more accurate understanding of the mainstream Japanese diet and the actual number of calories they are getting. They are far closer to paleo than perhaps you are thinking?). I'd be happy to loan you my Perfect Health Diet Kindle edition if you would like. That way you can look into it directly. PM me and I'll try and figure out how to do that. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:33:08 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: But that doesn't explain the mainstream Japanese diet and the noted longevity and general health of the mainstream Japanese. Nor the health of starch eating populations over the greater part of history. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Patrick, Excellent question. I know this gets explored and, to my mind, answered in The Perfect Health Diet -- but the general concept is that the traditional diet, on Okinawa for example, was very high fat (pork) and some rice and tubers (safe starches). The newer generation(s) eating less meat and fat and more rice are experiencing the diseases of civilization, which were previously unheard of in those parts. Additionally, the religious practice of intermittent fasting on a regular basis dramatically helps heal the body, with the body entering into autophagia, in which the many and various leftover bits floating around are consumed and used for energy rather than lingering and causing problems. From my reading,t here are two camps that consistently live a long time: high fat/low carb (natural fats, not industrial, and high in leafy greens) or some version of intermittent fasting and intentional calorie restriction (like the diet of a monk). With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:36:30 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Alternative viewpoints to what? Low carb? The standard American diet? I didn't see any new information there and I saw nothing that refutes a low carb approach. One reality I've personally experienced, and the science supports, is that meals high in fat (in my case, 80-90% of calories come from fat) are amazingly satiating and filling and satisfying and also trigger the I'm full as appropriate. The result is the same as the experiments Guyenet cites, but with the added benefit of amazing, tasty food. These folks went on a self-regulated calorie negative diet, which by definition means they were in ketosis most of the time (possibly all the time), getting nearly all their energy from their body's fat stores. This would seem to confirm the health benefits of switching from sugar burning/fat storing to fat burning, which is precisely what a paleo or low carb diet does. Also, those studies do not explore the question Why did those folks have issues with the pleasure center of their brain, causing them to over eat? One very plausible explanation, which the science supports, is it is the result of the carb/insulin cycle altering brain as well as body chemistry. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:33:03 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I would invite anyone who is interested in alternative viewpoints to follow the link provided here and read some of Dr. Guyenet's work. Pay particular attention to the tasteless liquid through a straw experiment. The results indicate that something really is different in the brains of obese people vs the brains of normal weight people. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/food-reward- dominant-factor-in-obesity.html On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:24:52 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Actually, Paleo is a poor diet description, as it is really an umbrella that hold a LOT of specific camps. Some paleo embraces white rice and potatoes and sweet potatoes/yams as a great way to get safe starches (starches free of anti-nutrients, like found in grains) -- so 2-4 fistfuls of rice or other safe starches are just fine. This is how I ate, once every 24 hours, before going ketogenic full time. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:45:30 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I don't know how many people the Paleo diet does not work for. I don't know how many people get fat on leafy greens and healthy meat. I don't know how many people cut the sugars and get fatter. I don't know how many people cut bread from their diet and get fatter. I do know that Paleo is very Pro-Carb. The favorite paleo snack is a sweet potato microwaved. I do know that Paleo is rice-ambivalent. My Filipino wife feeds me plenty of rice. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:33:59 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: This doesn't answer the question! Are you saying that the Paleo diet works well for a very small number of people? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan was (pick your number). This offers some reasons why: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/bone-dating-life-span/#axzz3IKPGQaXH and this: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/life-expectancy-hunter-gatherer/#axzz3IKPtXtv5 There may even be evidence to indicate that people evolved to have a large number of elderly grandparents with them, to help with the children while parents provided. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/hunter-gatherer-lifespan/#axzz3IKPtXtv5 As for the variety of paleo diets: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-hunter-gatherer-diets-varied/#axzz3IKPtXtv5 With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:49:20 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: If we're going to get paleo, let's talk about lifespan. Paleo lifespan was in the teens - it moved into the 40s with the advent of grain agriculture. If a diet works for you, more power to you, just don't impale other healthy people with it. Let's talk about obesity. It's also paleo. It's your body deciding that you mean to do this - store up fat, so your metabolism drops and you store up fat. BTW, when you gain weight, you add fat cells, When you lose weight, your fat cells never decrease, they just lean out. So maintaining a healthy weight and an active metabolism goes a long to naturally regulating your diet. Also don't stick American fast fooddiet on those of us who don't eat it. I did have French Fries once this year - they were pretty good - they didn't hurt me. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:10:10 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Alternative viewpoints to what? Low carb? The standard American diet? I didn't see any new information there and I saw nothing that refutes a low carb approach. One reality I've personally experienced, and the science supports, is that meals high in fat (in my case, 80-90% of calories come from fat) are amazingly satiating and filling and satisfying and also trigger the I'm full as appropriate. The result is the same as the experiments Guyenet cites, but with the added benefit of amazing, tasty food. These folks went on a self-regulated calorie negative diet, which by definition means they were in ketosis most of the time (possibly all the time), getting nearly all their energy from their body's fat stores. This would seem to confirm the health benefits of switching from sugar burning/fat storing to fat burning, which is precisely what a paleo or low carb diet does. Also, those studies do not explore the question Why did those folks have issues with the pleasure center of their brain, causing them to over eat? One very plausible explanation, which the science supports, is it is the result of the carb/insulin cycle altering brain as well as body chemistry. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:33:03 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I would invite anyone who is interested in alternative viewpoints to follow the link provided here and read some of Dr. Guyenet's work. Pay particular attention to the tasteless liquid through a straw experiment. The results indicate that something really is different in the brains of obese people vs the brains of normal weight people. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/food-reward-dominant-factor-in-obesity.html On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:24:52 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Well I love candy and chocolate but isn't processed sugar essentially a poison that our body reacts to when we eat it? On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Do I detect irony? Quite seriously: I don't deny that some people have benefited in some ways from the paleo diet. What I dispute is that it represents a universal norm. History shows that it does not do so. I think that we have to look elsewhere for the pandemic of obesity and chronic diseases that plague modernity. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, franklyn sini...@msn.com wrote: Wait, didn't the irish mainly subsist on potatoes, or is that a myth? If they did, did they have a obesity epidemic, or was the life expectancy so short that most folks died of something else before they got fat? Wait, what's the life expectancy of our paleo ancestors? Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:05:43 PM UTC-8, franklyn wrote: Taube's book just gave me, and just about every Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, East Inidan, and Vietnamese person an excuse to ignore Grant's new book, since all of our ancestors mainly ate grains--mostly rice, and never seemed to exhibit pandemic obesity and the chronic diseases that come with them. I am really glad about it since I am a vegan for other reasons. so glad... Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:43:43 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way* Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I love honey, eat a few skittles and Mrs. Annie's Pecan brittle. It's not my diet, but I have a sweet tooth. Part of that is my mother is the best dessert cook on the planet and wow, her blackberry cobler - my dad grows the berries in his garden. Bacon - I occasionally buy a few slcies at the deli counter. When I eat it, it goes in my breakfast tacos (my papas are perfect) and right after that, I'll either bicycle 30 miles or wade 5. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:05:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: Well I love candy and chocolate but isn't processed sugar essentially a poison that our body reacts to when we eat it? On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Do I detect irony? Quite seriously: I don't deny that some people have benefited in some ways from the paleo diet. What I dispute is that it represents a universal norm. History shows that it does not do so. I think that we have to look elsewhere for the pandemic of obesity and chronic diseases that plague modernity. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, franklyn sin...@msn.com javascript: wrote: Wait, didn't the irish mainly subsist on potatoes, or is that a myth? If they did, did they have a obesity epidemic, or was the life expectancy so short that most folks died of something else before they got fat? Wait, what's the life expectancy of our paleo ancestors? Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:05:43 PM UTC-8, franklyn wrote: Taube's book just gave me, and just about every Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, East Inidan, and Vietnamese person an excuse to ignore Grant's new book, since all of our ancestors mainly ate grains--mostly rice, and never seemed to exhibit pandemic obesity and the chronic diseases that come with them. I am really glad about it since I am a vegan for other reasons. so glad... Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:43:43 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way* Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
as should add my honey is local wild honey - I think it helps me fight allergies. I could be wrong, and won't write a book about it. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:11:29 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: I love honey, eat a few skittles and Mrs. Annie's Pecan brittle. It's not my diet, but I have a sweet tooth. Part of that is my mother is the best dessert cook on the planet and wow, her blackberry cobler - my dad grows the berries in his garden. Bacon - I occasionally buy a few slcies at the deli counter. When I eat it, it goes in my breakfast tacos (my papas are perfect) and right after that, I'll either bicycle 30 miles or wade 5. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:05:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: Well I love candy and chocolate but isn't processed sugar essentially a poison that our body reacts to when we eat it? On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com wrote: Do I detect irony? Quite seriously: I don't deny that some people have benefited in some ways from the paleo diet. What I dispute is that it represents a universal norm. History shows that it does not do so. I think that we have to look elsewhere for the pandemic of obesity and chronic diseases that plague modernity. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, franklyn sin...@msn.com wrote: Wait, didn't the irish mainly subsist on potatoes, or is that a myth? If they did, did they have a obesity epidemic, or was the life expectancy so short that most folks died of something else before they got fat? Wait, what's the life expectancy of our paleo ancestors? Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:05:43 PM UTC-8, franklyn wrote: Taube's book just gave me, and just about every Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, East Inidan, and Vietnamese person an excuse to ignore Grant's new book, since all of our ancestors mainly ate grains--mostly rice, and never seemed to exhibit pandemic obesity and the chronic diseases that come with them. I am really glad about it since I am a vegan for other reasons. so glad... Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:43:43 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way* Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * *
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
On 11/06/2014 05:02 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan was (pick your number). There never was any such thing as /the/ paleo life any more than there was a single paleo diet. There were many different paleolithic life styles and many different diets. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
another thing I don't get. If people are out running, riding bikes, etc. to be healthy, burn calories, increase their metabolism, why at rest stops do they pump down gummies and energy drinks? On Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:11:29 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: I love honey, eat a few skittles and Mrs. Annie's Pecan brittle. It's not my diet, but I have a sweet tooth. Part of that is my mother is the best dessert cook on the planet and wow, her blackberry cobler - my dad grows the berries in his garden. Bacon - I occasionally buy a few slcies at the deli counter. When I eat it, it goes in my breakfast tacos (my papas are perfect) and right after that, I'll either bicycle 30 miles or wade 5. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:05:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: Well I love candy and chocolate but isn't processed sugar essentially a poison that our body reacts to when we eat it? On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com wrote: Do I detect irony? Quite seriously: I don't deny that some people have benefited in some ways from the paleo diet. What I dispute is that it represents a universal norm. History shows that it does not do so. I think that we have to look elsewhere for the pandemic of obesity and chronic diseases that plague modernity. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, franklyn sin...@msn.com wrote: Wait, didn't the irish mainly subsist on potatoes, or is that a myth? If they did, did they have a obesity epidemic, or was the life expectancy so short that most folks died of something else before they got fat? Wait, what's the life expectancy of our paleo ancestors? Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:05:43 PM UTC-8, franklyn wrote: Taube's book just gave me, and just about every Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, East Inidan, and Vietnamese person an excuse to ignore Grant's new book, since all of our ancestors mainly ate grains--mostly rice, and never seemed to exhibit pandemic obesity and the chronic diseases that come with them. I am really glad about it since I am a vegan for other reasons. so glad... Franklyn On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:43:43 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: Deacon will answer as well, in his own inimitable manner, but the answer is obvious: *because they are genetically predisposed to be that way* Gary Taubes talks about Japan specifically in his writing. There's no conflict or contradiction or controversy about Japan. On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Patrick: how do you explain the Japanese? They are notorious for longevity, low chronic ailments, and a diet low on bacon and steak and high on rice. This is a serious question, not a challenge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Why do most folks lump chocolate with sugar? I love chocolate. We make our own with coconut butter, butter, vanilla, ceylon cinnamon and cocoa powder. No sugar required. Deep, dark, rich, ridiculous silky deliciousness. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:05:42 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Well I love candy and chocolate but isn't processed sugar essentially a poison that our body reacts to when we eat it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Come on Deacon, you know most people don't go and make their own chocolate, if only. at 50 hours a week with kids and all the other crap I am luck to get time to drive and buy a damn chocolate bar, haha. I kid but I think this touches on another issue with any change in eating habits-time and money. Most people who eat poorly have little of both, at least IMO. When you are pressed for time or money you get what you can, which in this county is unhealthy processed food for most people, unfortunately. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Why do most folks lump chocolate with sugar? I love chocolate. We make our own with coconut butter, butter, vanilla, ceylon cinnamon and cocoa powder. No sugar required. Deep, dark, rich, ridiculous silky deliciousness. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:05:42 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Well I love candy and chocolate but isn't processed sugar essentially a poison that our body reacts to when we eat it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Agreed, Peter. Hence part of the sin of grain subsidies. But the cost of healthy food is far less than it at first may seem. When we factor in the direct savings in dental costs and chronic health issues for which our family took various medications like allergies, sinus infections, acid reflux, and even dramatic decreases in colds and flues, we made up much of the difference in costs. As for time, it takes time to drive places, get food, wait for it. If people want to eliminate processed food from their diet, they can. The barriers are mostly false. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:23:19 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Come on Deacon, you know most people don't go and make their own chocolate, if only. at 50 hours a week with kids and all the other crap I am luck to get time to drive and buy a damn chocolate bar, haha. I kid but I think this touches on another issue with any change in eating habits-time and money. Most people who eat poorly have little of both, at least IMO. When you are pressed for time or money you get what you can, which in this county is unhealthy processed food for most people, unfortunately. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Why do most folks lump chocolate with sugar? I love chocolate. We make our own with coconut butter, butter, vanilla, ceylon cinnamon and cocoa powder. No sugar required. Deep, dark, rich, ridiculous silky deliciousness. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:05:42 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Well I love candy and chocolate but isn't processed sugar essentially a poison that our body reacts to when we eat it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Oh, and a five minute batch of chocolate lasts me three months and costs a fraction of what a three month supply of any chocolate bar would cost, let alone one with 90% cocoa, little to no sugar, all organic, with butter and coconut oil, soy lecithin free, and I don't know what all else even the good bars have in them. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I agree, but you are talking about long term savings over short term costs, for a lot of people on a fixed income the only options are short term. What this country needs is more access to fresh foods, in that way I miss the city, where you can go buy fruit or veggies from all around the world at anytime really anywhere. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Agreed, Peter. Hence part of the sin of grain subsidies. But the cost of healthy food is far less than it at first may seem. When we factor in the direct savings in dental costs and chronic health issues for which our family took various medications like allergies, sinus infections, acid reflux, and even dramatic decreases in colds and flues, we made up much of the difference in costs. As for time, it takes time to drive places, get food, wait for it. If people want to eliminate processed food from their diet, they can. The barriers are mostly false. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:23:19 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Come on Deacon, you know most people don't go and make their own chocolate, if only. at 50 hours a week with kids and all the other crap I am luck to get time to drive and buy a damn chocolate bar, haha. I kid but I think this touches on another issue with any change in eating habits-time and money. Most people who eat poorly have little of both, at least IMO. When you are pressed for time or money you get what you can, which in this county is unhealthy processed food for most people, unfortunately. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Why do most folks lump chocolate with sugar? I love chocolate. We make our own with coconut butter, butter, vanilla, ceylon cinnamon and cocoa powder. No sugar required. Deep, dark, rich, ridiculous silky deliciousness. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:05:42 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Well I love candy and chocolate but isn't processed sugar essentially a poison that our body reacts to when we eat it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Patrick, I take it you are going to leave us with a list of ingredients but no recipe? While I admit I like a bit of experimentation, I'm pretty sure I'd mess it up. So...um...just what is that recipe again? Aloha, Bob On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Oh, and a five minute batch of chocolate lasts me three months and costs a fraction of what a three month supply of any chocolate bar would cost, let alone one with 90% cocoa, little to no sugar, all organic, with butter and coconut oil, soy lecithin free, and I don't know what all else even the good bars have in them. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com Wu Name: Tha Eurythmic King of Nowhere -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Hear hear, I do love dark chocolate, umm really all chocolate.. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, I take it you are going to leave us with a list of ingredients but no recipe? While I admit I like a bit of experimentation, I'm pretty sure I'd mess it up. So...um...just what is that recipe again? Aloha, Bob On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Oh, and a five minute batch of chocolate lasts me three months and costs a fraction of what a three month supply of any chocolate bar would cost, let alone one with 90% cocoa, little to no sugar, all organic, with butter and coconut oil, soy lecithin free, and I don't know what all else even the good bars have in them. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com Wu Name: Tha Eurythmic King of Nowhere -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Berthoud front bag vendors' stiffner varieties. What are the diffs?
Berthoud has one, Compass says theirs has one, and Boulder cycles says they have an in-house proprietary made one. Are they all the same or different? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
I prefer Mixed Terrain my self. -Hugh On Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:00:04 AM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote: Right, and GP wasn't the only one preaching that sermon. There was also Jan Heine and to a lesser extent and more recently, VO. I do dislike the term gravel grinding, because it has connotations of effort and exertion. I prefer dirt-road riding, or gravel road riding, or even mixed terrain riding, but none of those sound particularly catchy. Anton On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:13:20 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: not quite decades... but certainly for the last few years. Many Rivs from the late 90's wont fit anything larger than 32mm tires. And lest we forget many sport tourers from the 60-70's fit 35mm tires. and of course those demi-balloon 40-50 mm tired bikes from France. as far as gravel riders the gravel races are races, full lycra kits and an emphasis on speed ... certainly not unracers. ~mike On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:21:18 AM UTC-8, Noah Deuce wrote:Hyperbole, sure, but the drum GP has been beating for decades (better tire clearance, too much emphasis on racing, etc.) has finally turned into a product category that may save the industry from itself. Just see the latest by Guitar Ted: http://www.gravelgrindernews.com/less-about-the-rock-and-more-about-the-roll/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS/WTT New-in-the box Waterford Atlantis 56cm
Deacon, so it sounds like you have 0 standover on the Quickbeam? That's where I'm at on the 56cm Atlantis. I can straddle the top tube with both feet flat on the ground with my shoes, not so much in socks. I recently slid forward off the saddle for the first time riding some rough terrain on the 51cm Sam Hillborne and was happy to have that extra 3cm of clearance. That is my biggest hang up with the Atlantis, but maybe I can live with it. Sounds like you ride the rough stuff and have had no problems. I know it fits me comfortably horizontally with the Albatross bars and may even work with my drop bars and a 7cm stem. I would have about 3.5 fingers of seatpost showing on the 56. On Monday, October 27, 2014 7:00:17 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Wildcat, in my experience Rivendell won't steer you wrong regarding sizing. The safest sizing is what you describe. That doesn't mean the 56 won't work for you. A shorter reach stem and you could easily be in business and amazingly comfortable. I have a PBH of 90 cm and ride a 66 Quickbeam. 62 cm is the size Rivendell would steer me toward, but I absolutely love my 66. I take it on single track all the time, which conventional wisdom says not to do unless your frame is smaller. Never had an issue. You milage may vary, but it may well be worth trying what you have to see how it works. Take a closer look at the geometry charts. Compare actual TT length to something you ride and enjoy. between adjusting the saddle and stem, can you make it what you want? With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS/WTT New-in-the box Waterford Atlantis 56cm
On 11/06/2014 06:20 PM, Wildcat96 wrote: Deacon, so it sounds like you have 0 standover on the Quickbeam? That's where I'm at on the 56cm Atlantis. I can straddle the top tube with both feet flat on the ground with my shoes, not so much in socks. Do you ride much in your socks? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud front bag vendors' stiffner varieties. What are the diffs?
The bag I got from Boulder cycles has both a plastic stiffener supplied by Berthoud and an aluminum stiffener (a U-shaped aluminum strip the bolts to the back and sides of the bag) supplied by Boulder. I dumped the plastic and am just using the aluminum, which works fine. I sewed myself some pockets using mosquito netting that hang from the aluminum strip, one pocket on the back of the bag and one on each side. Handy for carrying small, frequently-used items that would otherwise disappear in the bottom of the bag. Nick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:03:45 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: Berthoud has one, Compass says theirs has one, and Boulder cycles says they have an in-house proprietary made one. Are they all the same or different? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Och! Right. Sorry lads! Most cruel of me. My wife cooks like I run and ride: by feel. So she doesn't measure and has no written recipe. I asked for her best guess and she said: 1 cup: Cocoa butter/coconut oil/butter/ghee in preferred combo totaling 1 cup melted. Coconut oil/butter/ghee increase the silkiness/softness and melt in your mouth smoothness but lower the melting point. Cocoa butter raises the melting point and increases the chew. If only coconut oil and/or cocoa butter are used, it can be stored at room temperature quite a long time before getting fuzzy. With butter, refrigerate. 1 cup: cocoa powder Spices to taste (optional): vanilla extract, ceylon cinnamon powder, chilli powder, sea salt. A splash of Islay Water of Life is amazing! If sweeter is desired: ground dates or honey or coconut sugar or your preferred sweeter to taste. Also great with a nut butter added. Melt the fat on low heat until entirely liquid, but do not heat it. Remove from heat. Immediately stir in cocoa powder till blended and smooth. Add spices and sweeter to taste (we add none). While still warm, use a rubber spatula to spread into a waxed paper covered plate or baking pan. Cool in refrigerator. Cut into chunks, and enjoy! Brain depending, this will last me two weeks to 3+ months. I'm almost done with my most recent batch, made in the spring. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Cost wise, we know several families of 8 who are paleo who spend $1k a month on food (but they don't do organic or grass fed/wild caught). But their kids are not yet teens. We have a teen and tween and two youngers and our budget is higher than that. We also buy only organic and grass fed/wild forage/wild caught. I eat less than my 11 and 13 year old daughters, by a long shot. Must be payback, because I ate 10,000 calories a day in high school when I had to track it for a few weeks. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS/WTT New-in-the box Waterford Atlantis 56cm
Yes, I'm close to zero standover on my Quickbeam. My shoes aren't thicker than socks, but I measured by PBH barefoot, so there is a mew extra mm in there. Never once squashed the berries. The Hunqapiller has a bit more room, but only closer to the seat post, as it has more top tube slope. Having ridden less bike, I much prefer more bike. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:20:04 PM UTC-7, Wildcat96 wrote: Deacon, so it sounds like you have 0 standover on the Quickbeam? That's where I'm at on the 56cm Atlantis. I can straddle the top tube with both feet flat on the ground with my shoes, not so much in socks. I recently slid forward off the saddle for the first time riding some rough terrain on the 51cm Sam Hillborne and was happy to have that extra 3cm of clearance. That is my biggest hang up with the Atlantis, but maybe I can live with it. Sounds like you ride the rough stuff and have had no problems. I know it fits me comfortably horizontally with the Albatross bars and may even work with my drop bars and a 7cm stem. I would have about 3.5 fingers of seatpost showing on the 56. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud front bag vendors' stiffner varieties. What are the diffs?
The stiffener that comes with Berthouds is high-density cardboard. Anton On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:27:27 PM UTC-5, NickBull wrote: The bag I got from Boulder cycles has both a plastic stiffener supplied by Berthoud and an aluminum stiffener (a U-shaped aluminum strip the bolts to the back and sides of the bag) supplied by Boulder. I dumped the plastic and am just using the aluminum, which works fine. I sewed myself some pockets using mosquito netting that hang from the aluminum strip, one pocket on the back of the bag and one on each side. Handy for carrying small, frequently-used items that would otherwise disappear in the bottom of the bag. Nick On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:03:45 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: Berthoud has one, Compass says theirs has one, and Boulder cycles says they have an in-house proprietary made one. Are they all the same or different? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
That's actually a better descriptive term but it doesn't quite roll off the tongue like ATB or MTB. :) On Thursday, November 6, 2014 5:14:38 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: I prefer Mixed Terrain my self. -Hugh On Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:00:04 AM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote: Right, and GP wasn't the only one preaching that sermon. There was also Jan Heine and to a lesser extent and more recently, VO. I do dislike the term gravel grinding, because it has connotations of effort and exertion. I prefer dirt-road riding, or gravel road riding, or even mixed terrain riding, but none of those sound particularly catchy. Anton On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:13:20 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: not quite decades... but certainly for the last few years. Many Rivs from the late 90's wont fit anything larger than 32mm tires. And lest we forget many sport tourers from the 60-70's fit 35mm tires. and of course those demi-balloon 40-50 mm tired bikes from France. as far as gravel riders the gravel races are races, full lycra kits and an emphasis on speed ... certainly not unracers. ~mike On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:21:18 AM UTC-8, Noah Deuce wrote:Hyperbole, sure, but the drum GP has been beating for decades (better tire clearance, too much emphasis on racing, etc.) has finally turned into a product category that may save the industry from itself. Just see the latest by Guitar Ted: http://www.gravelgrindernews.com/less-about-the-rock-and-more-about-the-roll/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] WTB: Nitto 35F Campee Front Rack
Any used ones out there? I'm swapping one between bikes, and figure it might be easier to just commit! -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
THERE IS ONE GROK. KNEEL BEFORE GROK! I guess squat before Grok would make more sense. Anyways. -J On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:13:32 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 11/06/2014 05:02 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan was (pick your number). There never was any such thing as *the* paleo life any more than there was a single paleo diet. There were many different paleolithic life styles and many different diets. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson
MT -Hugh On Nov 6, 2014 4:39 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: That's actually a better descriptive term but it doesn't quite roll off the tongue like ATB or MTB. :) On Thursday, November 6, 2014 5:14:38 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: I prefer Mixed Terrain my self. -Hugh On Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:00:04 AM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote: Right, and GP wasn't the only one preaching that sermon. There was also Jan Heine and to a lesser extent and more recently, VO. I do dislike the term gravel grinding, because it has connotations of effort and exertion. I prefer dirt-road riding, or gravel road riding, or even mixed terrain riding, but none of those sound particularly catchy. Anton On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:13:20 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: not quite decades... but certainly for the last few years. Many Rivs from the late 90's wont fit anything larger than 32mm tires. And lest we forget many sport tourers from the 60-70's fit 35mm tires. and of course those demi-balloon 40-50 mm tired bikes from France. as far as gravel riders the gravel races are races, full lycra kits and an emphasis on speed ... certainly not unracers. ~mike On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:21:18 AM UTC-8, Noah Deuce wrote:Hyperbole, sure, but the drum GP has been beating for decades (better tire clearance, too much emphasis on racing, etc.) has finally turned into a product category that may save the industry from itself. Just see the latest by Guitar Ted: http://www.gravelgrindernews. com/less-about-the-rock-and-more-about-the-roll/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Sk3UxVUQM3U/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Hilsen Overhaul
A racing double has long been a recommendation for 1/2 step+granny setups, especially on low-Q cranksets like TA Pro V and Stronglight 49. For about six years, I've used a 70s Campy Record with a slightly wider TA triple: 50-46-26 on a Raleigh International. I've long suspected that this is because you seldom shift in or out of the granny, but I've had few problems as long as the derailleur's at the right height. Peter Adler Berkeley, CA/USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud front bag vendors' stiffner varieties. What are the diffs?
So I would guess that Compass is talking about the stock Berthoud cardboard stiffner when they mention it in their description? It is confusing because I have also hear of a Berthoud stiffner that is like 1/2 or a whole pound or something? But I wouldn't think the cardboard weighs that much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Found at the Co-Op Tonight
This is a very cool stem, brutalist almost. The ones riv sold were higher rise than the older production ones. The riv ones came from a stash of rawish forgings that nitto found, riv requested them to have as much quill as possible. The riv ones might have had better polish but less interesting/clunky hardware. Or so says the absurd portion of my memory dedicated to possibly hopelessly mixed up random bike minutiae. I did not check the older readers/catalogs . Later Tarik Sent from the space egg... On Nov 6, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com wrote: Looks like Riv sold these about 15 years ago, according to an archived BOB list post. http://search.bikelist.org/beta/ViewMessage.aspx?id=57946 They probably found the last NOS stash somewhere and cleared it out, like they did with a lot of vintage Suntour. The early catalogs are full of historical gems, and are good clue sheets for bin-picking. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:30 AM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the new to you Bombadil, Tony? On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:49:38 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Hey Joe that's exactly it! I knew some one would pull out the arcane Nitto-knowledge!! Now to decide which bike will be graced by the new shiny thing Good thing it's new-bike-day! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] New-Bombadil-Day!
Pardon the poor image quality... I met up with Tom at about 4:30 today to pick up my new blue 56 Bombadil. It was a real pleasure meeting you Tom, thanks for the fantastic bike! While the bike came with a sweet Bullmoose cockpit I have a ~80 mile ride planned for Veterans Day and I didn't think I could hack the upright cockpit for that long of a day so I went into a crash build tonight with parts from all over the garage... good thing my Saluki is still down for the count as many of her parts were pressed into service. And yes as you'll see the Co-Op Nitto Handle Works Forged stem did make the initial build! :) Build highlights; 56 Bombadil - taller and bigger than I had expected... very close dimensions to my 60 Saluki 48cm Noodle handlebars w/ Nitto forged stem Bruce Gordon Canti's (super sweet, thanks Tom!) Sugino Triple off my Saluki Velocity 32H 650B wheelset off my Saluki Vee Rubber 650Bx1.95 Tires VO Orange brake cable housing Silver Shifter (rear/right only) No FD, stick shift for now Nitto R-14 rear rack / Nitto saddlebag QR Carradice longflap I think that's about it, I'll be commuting in tomorrow morning thanks to the successful build tonight... Can't wait! Tony https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qQ-GkeeNzZY/VFxLbKAALEI/F2A/ZkbE_SSg8TY/s1600/IMG_20141106_232030.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hBzvx3AVyYg/VFxLeirIhfI/F2Q/q3s6JBLkyM8/s1600/IMG_20141106_230810.jpg https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ByHueL0cjGc/VFxLYsnmhiI/F10/PA5tDMQjEUg/s1600/IMG_20141106_230833.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WX72fGJZlTI/VFxLdiBVV6I/F2I/YaDK6Cm0PVU/s1600/IMG_20141106_232047.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 35F Campee Front Rack
Strike that, it's a 32F I'm looking for: http://boulderbicycle.bike/Bags-and-Racks/Nitto-Racks-and-hardware/Nitto-Campee-32F-Campee-front-rack-New-Lower-Price.html On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:46 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Any used ones out there? I'm swapping one between bikes, and figure it might be easier to just commit! -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 35F Campee Front Rack
I was wondering what you were gunna do with that big rack. 32F otherwise known as the mini campee. ~mike Carlsbad Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New-Bombadil-Day!
Very Sweet Tony. Enjoy. ~Hugh Los Angeles, CA On Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:42:16 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Pardon the poor image quality... I met up with Tom at about 4:30 today to pick up my new blue 56 Bombadil. It was a real pleasure meeting you Tom, thanks for the fantastic bike! While the bike came with a sweet Bullmoose cockpit I have a ~80 mile ride planned for Veterans Day and I didn't think I could hack the upright cockpit for that long of a day so I went into a crash build tonight with parts from all over the garage... good thing my Saluki is still down for the count as many of her parts were pressed into service. And yes as you'll see the Co-Op Nitto Handle Works Forged stem did make the initial build! :) Build highlights; 56 Bombadil - taller and bigger than I had expected... very close dimensions to my 60 Saluki 48cm Noodle handlebars w/ Nitto forged stem Bruce Gordon Canti's (super sweet, thanks Tom!) Sugino Triple off my Saluki Velocity 32H 650B wheelset off my Saluki Vee Rubber 650Bx1.95 Tires VO Orange brake cable housing Silver Shifter (rear/right only) No FD, stick shift for now Nitto R-14 rear rack / Nitto saddlebag QR Carradice longflap I think that's about it, I'll be commuting in tomorrow morning thanks to the successful build tonight... Can't wait! Tony https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qQ-GkeeNzZY/VFxLbKAALEI/F2A/ZkbE_SSg8TY/s1600/IMG_20141106_232030.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hBzvx3AVyYg/VFxLeirIhfI/F2Q/q3s6JBLkyM8/s1600/IMG_20141106_230810.jpg https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ByHueL0cjGc/VFxLYsnmhiI/F10/PA5tDMQjEUg/s1600/IMG_20141106_230833.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WX72fGJZlTI/VFxLdiBVV6I/F2I/YaDK6Cm0PVU/s1600/IMG_20141106_232047.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
