[RBW] Nitto Albastache bars

[MannyAcosta]

#bikepanda
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Kai Vierstra]

"I don't think anyone is disputing the value of avoiding accidents in the 
first place.  The problem is, you can't always.  And what then?"

Fall good?
Whatever the case, helmeted or not, know how to fall. There's no time to think 
about it, but if you find yourself about to hit something you weren't planning 
to, fall better. Nearly 40 years of falling on skateboards has taught my body 
something about self preservation, I rely on that "training" when I fall. 
Age 8 or 108, we could all benifit from more experience falling right. 

Gymnastics! Street dancing/parkour!
Crashing!
-Kai Vierstra 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another S3X hub

[bertin753]

And how many spokes does the Bendix hub take?

P

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Mark Parker  wrote:
> 
> Patrick:
> 
> I ran a freewheel for a while on the S3X that I sold you.  While running the 
> freewheel on it, I had trouble at times getting it to shift.  It seemed to 
> shift better for me while running the fixed sprocket when I applied a little 
> backwards force on the pedals.  It was one of the reasons I cleaned it out.  
> I thought perhaps the grease was making it stick.  I still had the shifting 
> trouble after I had cleaned it.  I went back to fixed and didn't have any 
> more trouble with it.  
> 
> My shifting problems were similar to an AW when you shift from first to 
> second.  If you are pedaling hard it stays in first and then when you ease up 
> it goes into second.  Except I couldn't ease up because the freewheel kept me 
> from doing this. It eventually would drop into the correct gear.
> 
> If you really want to play around I have a Bendix manual 2 speed that you 
> could turn into a 2 speed fix, but I have read the lash is quite extreme. It 
> is also not on the light side.   
> 
> Mark Parker
> Knoxville, TN
> 
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700x44

[Daniel Jackson]

Agreed - these are rather silly on a Hunq - not least of all because they 
are measuring under spec.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 9:59:22 PM UTC-4, adam leibow wrote:
>
> I stuck somma these on my hunqapillar, but i'll probably remove them 
> because they don't fill it out enough. of course they ride nice. 
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:38:50 PM UTC-7, frank_a wrote:
>>
>>  They're here and they're sublime!
>>
>>  - Frank
>>
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[RBW] Nitto Albastache bars

[drew]

Hahaha crap. I thought I was the only one too. It does work really well 
flipped. 

They are the trp levers, and they are awkward used right side up on these bars, 
but they are awesome upside down. 

2 of us agree on this fact 

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[RBW] Nitto Albastache bars

[Carla Waugh]

Thanks for the great pics! Which levers are you both using? Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700x44

[adam leibow]

I stuck somma these on my hunqapillar, but i'll probably remove them 
because they don't fill it out enough. of course they ride nice. 

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:38:50 PM UTC-7, frank_a wrote:
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>  They're here and they're sublime!
>
>  - Frank
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[RBW] Nitto Albastache bars

[Surlyprof]

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/129545862@N03/29510899771/
Here's my current set up.  Lights are underneath on Paul Gino mounts connected 
to the rack.  Love the setup and can't say enough good things about the Brooks 
leather tape.  This roll has been on 3 bikes in the past 8 years.  Would be 
hesitant to go for the colors since I've seen some that faded in the sun.

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another S3X hub

[Mark Parker]

Patrick:

I ran a freewheel for a while on the S3X that I sold you.  While running 
the freewheel on it, I had trouble at times getting it to shift.  It seemed 
to shift better for me while running the fixed sprocket when I applied a 
little backwards force on the pedals.  It was one of the reasons I cleaned 
it out.  I thought perhaps the grease was making it stick.  I still had the 
shifting trouble after I had cleaned it.  I went back to fixed and didn't 
have any more trouble with it.  

My shifting problems were similar to an AW when you shift from first to 
second.  If you are pedaling hard it stays in first and then when you ease 
up it goes into second.  Except I couldn't ease up because the freewheel 
kept me from doing this. It eventually would drop into the correct gear.

If you really want to play around I have a Bendix manual 2 speed that you 
could turn into a 2 speed fix, but I have read the lash is quite extreme. 
It is also not on the light side.   

Mark Parker
Knoxville, TN



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[RBW] Re: Nitto Albastache bars

[Daniel Jackson]

So Drew has got it figured out , in my opinion. I, too, have the 
albastaches setup with these levers. The trick is to put the levers on the 
side opposite for which they are labeled, thus positioning their elegant 
curve downward. It works so dang well and I thought I was the only one who 
figured this out...

Pic here:

https://dsjackson.exposure.co/california-2016/photos/2731720

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 8:28:11 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> Here are mine. I have cork tape under the cloth on the swept back part. 
> Love the bars, love the looks. 
> (I did this thru my phone and am not sure the pics are gonna work)
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 3:45:51 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
> > Hello if anyone has a bicycle set up with these bars would you please 
> put a picture up. I ordered some I just want to see different setups in bar 
> tape or not. Thanks
>
>

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

[GAJett]

Berto Tire Pressure App says 38 front, 52 rear.  So your 45 AVERAGE is spot 
on!  It just needs to be redistributed.
Cheers,
GAJett

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 6:48:27 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> So if I am 175lbs., on 27.9 lbs. of Bleriot, with 5 lbs. of front baggage, 
> on 650b x 38mm Compass Loup Loup tires, at 45psi front and back, where does 
> that put me? 
>

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[RBW] Willing to trade your smaller Atlantis for my 56cm?

[Bin Chen]

Would you be willing to trade?

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Albastache bars

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Forgot to mention that I also have cork wrap,under the cloth tape. That gives 
it a nicely padded feel without being overly bulky

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[JohnS]

Thank you Patrick for all that you've shared with the group. I've always 
greatly enjoyed your ride stories, photos and insights. You'll be missed 
and I wish you well.

JohnS


On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 7:04:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this 
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and 
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God 
> startle you with joy!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, don't go! We need you!

Seriously, please stay on board.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God
> startle you with joy!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
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[RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[WETH]

Dear Patrick,
Godspeed and may God continue to startle you with joy!
Thanks for all your help on this group. I will miss your insights.
Best wishes,
Erl 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Bill in Roswell GA]

There was a huge article (many pages long) in Bicycling (ya, I know) that was 
the most in depth article I've seen about MIPS and gave a lot of the data 
gathered by the organization that has done the bulk of testing. MIPS is an 
attempt at a safety movement, not a marketing movement. I think it's amazing 
that most MIPS helmets are only $20 more than regular helmets. 

There are a number of articles of an objective nature online about MIPS if you 
care to do your own research and reach a conclusion. 

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[RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[drew]

Definitely sad! Some of the best and wildest posts. Ill miss them. I hope 
something didn't happen that caused a permanent resigned departure. Why not 
just take a break while you go explore?

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[RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Tony DeFilippo]

We'll miss your contributions Patrick, I hope you'll pass back through at some 
point.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Willing to trade your smaller Atlantis for my 56cm?

[PaulS]

Can this be a 3-way transaction?  I wouldn't mind buying your Atlantis.  
Thanks.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 11:56:02 PM UTC-6, Bin Chen wrote:
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> I have a Toyo-built 56cm Atlantis that I bought recently that is a touch 
> too large for me. Does anyone have a 53 or 54.5cm Atlantis you'd be willing 
> to trade?

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Albastache bars

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I also don't have photos available for posting but I fitted the bars in a 1986 
pinarello montello bike in the green cloth tape.  To be honest it is ok but not 
my favorite bar.  I do love the looks for what that is worth

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[RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Well I hope you change your mind about leaving. I always enjoyed your posts. 
All the best to you though!

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[RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Joe Bernard]

Dude, where you going? You're quite welcome to ride off in different directions 
while still talking about stuff. 

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[RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Deacon Patrick]

I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this group — 
you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and fine tuning 
the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God startle you with 
joy!

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.MindYourHeadCoop.org


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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

[Lungimsam]

I remember an rbw employee who said if he ain't bottoming out, he's good.

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Albastache bars

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't have any photos of my own but it's easy to search on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=albastache

or google:

https://www.google.com/search?q=albastache=2=1920=935=isch=u=univ=X=0ahUKEwiyovXZto3PAhUC8mMKHWA5AqsQsAQIJA



On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 3:45:51 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
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> Hello if anyone has a bicycle set up with these bars would you please put 
> a picture up. I ordered some I just want to see different setups in bar 
> tape or not. Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

[John Hawrylak]

Ron Mc wrote:  "The people who were exceptionally low also reported wrecks"

Yes, generally their tires were UNDERINFLATED by 25% to 50% of the 15% Tire 
Drop Calculated Pressure, from my review of the posts.

I would recommend maintain your tire pressure at between 75% to 100% of the 
15% Tire Drop Calculated (Berto value) pressure.  This provides a 
25% Safety Margin.

For example if the 15% Tire Drop Calculated pressure is 60 psig, then 
maintain between 45 psig to 60 psig in the tire.

I think this gives enough room to experiment with lower pressures and 
having a reasonable margin of safety.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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[RBW] Nitto Albastache bars

[Carla Waugh]

Hello if anyone has a bicycle set up with these bars would you please put a 
picture up. I ordered some I just want to see different setups in bar tape or 
not. Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

[john . hawrylak]

LungimsamFront should be 47 psig,  Rear should be 54 psig.   This is for a 45%/55% distribution for Rider & Bike and the 5lb load only applied to the FRONT wheel weight.Your 45psig/45psig results in the front at correct pressure and the rear underinflated by 9 psig (17% low).John HawrylakWoodstown NJ   On 09/13/16, Lungimsam wrote: So if I am 175lbs., on 27.9 lbs. of Bleriot, with 5 lbs. of front baggage, on 650b x 38mm Compass Loup Loup tires, at 45psi front and back, where does that put me? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/tzq57fP7SZA/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/13/2016 05:06 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Dear Eric and Ron,

I am not saying what you think I'm saying.

I said: "Until helmets can address the basic physics [and biology] of 
coup countrecoup ... helmets will do very little to mitigate brain 
injury and a lot to make people think they accomplish something [they 
do not]. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact."


Point being: wear a helmet or not, they can protect against some 
things but helmets do not do very much if anything to protect against 
brain damage because coup countrecoup happens regardless of wearing a 
helmet or not. The greatest safety feature any cyclist has is riding 
smart to avoid the accident in the first place -- and many many 
accidents can be avoided by this active safety awareness. Grant does a 
great job covering some of this in "Just Ride."




I don't think anyone is disputing the value of avoiding accidents in the 
first place.  The problem is, you can't always.  And what then?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Deacon Patrick]

Dear Eric and Ron,

I am not saying what you think I'm saying.

I said: "Until helmets can address the basic physics [and biology] of coup 
countrecoup ... helmets will do very little to mitigate brain injury and a 
lot to make people think they accomplish something [they do not]. To avoid 
brain injury, avoid the impact."

Point being: wear a helmet or not, they can protect against some things but 
helmets do not do very much if anything to protect against brain damage 
because coup countrecoup happens regardless of wearing a helmet or not. The 
greatest safety feature any cyclist has is riding smart to avoid the 
accident in the first place -- and many many accidents can be avoided by 
this active safety awareness. Grant does a great job covering some of this 
in "Just Ride."

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 2:08:14 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Deacon:
>
> Sorry, but that’s a great sentiment that makes no sense at all in the real 
> world. 
>
> If we can just “avoid” all the bad things that might happen to us, let’s 
> all cancel our health insurance (avoid getting sick!), our life insurance 
> (avoid dying too soon!), our car insurance (avoid getting hit by any other 
> driver!), etc. etc.
>
> None of us are in total control of our lives. The multitude of factors 
> beyond our control that could cause us to either hit something or be hit 
> are too numerous to mention, but include inattentive drivers, mechanical 
> failures, bad pavement, etc. etc.  
>
> This is why most of us buy insurance, and it’s why I choose to wear a 
> helmet. I try my best to avoid impacts, but I also know that there’s a 
> chance I won’t be able to avoid every mishap. 
>
> This is *my* choice, which I’m not trying to foist on anyone. 
>
> --Eric N
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>
>
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
> To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

Eric is correct - no protection is perfect, so no protection is even 
better?  The false sense of security thing is more hogwash.  

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 3:08:14 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Deacon:
>
> Sorry, but that’s a great sentiment that makes no sense at all in the real 
> world. 
>
> If we can just “avoid” all the bad things that might happen to us, let’s 
> all cancel our health insurance (avoid getting sick!), our life insurance 
> (avoid dying too soon!), our car insurance (avoid getting hit by any other 
> driver!), etc. etc.
>
> None of us are in total control of our lives. The multitude of factors 
> beyond our control that could cause us to either hit something or be hit 
> are too numerous to mention, but include inattentive drivers, mechanical 
> failures, bad pavement, etc. etc.  
>
> This is why most of us buy insurance, and it’s why I choose to wear a 
> helmet. I try my best to avoid impacts, but I also know that there’s a 
> chance I won’t be able to avoid every mishap. 
>
> This is *my* choice, which I’m not trying to foist on anyone. 
>
> --Eric N
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.CampyOnly.com
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
> @Campyonlyguy
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
> To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The first of what we hope are several very interesting reviews of the Clementine, from Lovely Bicycle

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Don't want to hijack this thread but just wanted to add that my ANT truss 
ended up being toward the end of his individual production although he now 
does a touring bike on the side.  Now back to Clems!

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 2:11:19 PM UTC-4, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> Me too and three on the ANT Truss.  I loved it, but ended up trading it 
> off to get an actual Iver Johnson truss and other stuff.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 2:07:40 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> ME TOO re my ANT Truss Bike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Chris Birkenmaier  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I hear you.  The way she writes about bikes makes me want to run out and 
>> purchase whatever it is she is discussing.  I bought a Mike Flannigan/ANT 
>> bike after seeing the one she commissioned from him.  It was/is a gorgeous 
>> bike.  However, it kind of looks like that bike did not make the journey 
>> over to Ireland with her.  Been wondering where it ended up.  Regardless, I 
>> continue to enjoy my ANT truss bike.
>>
>> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-4, Lynne Cooney wrote: 
>>>
>>> LB always makes me want one. She sold me on the Brompton and three years 
>>> later, it would still win the "you only get to keep one bicycle" contest. 
>>> Now I really want a Clementine. But I already have a Retrovelo, which was 
>>> why I went for a Cheviot instead. 
>>>
>>> Curse you, Velouria. I want one.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 4:26:19 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: 


 http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/09/clementine-belated-befuddled-bedazzled.html


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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Eric Norris]

Deacon:

Sorry, but that’s a great sentiment that makes no sense at all in the real 
world. 

If we can just “avoid” all the bad things that might happen to us, let’s all 
cancel our health insurance (avoid getting sick!), our life insurance (avoid 
dying too soon!), our car insurance (avoid getting hit by any other driver!), 
etc. etc.

None of us are in total control of our lives. The multitude of factors beyond 
our control that could cause us to either hit something or be hit are too 
numerous to mention, but include inattentive drivers, mechanical failures, bad 
pavement, etc. etc.  

This is why most of us buy insurance, and it’s why I choose to wear a helmet. I 
try my best to avoid impacts, but I also know that there’s a chance I won’t be 
able to avoid every mishap. 

This is *my* choice, which I’m not trying to foist on anyone. 

--Eric N
campyonly...@me.com
www.CampyOnly.com
Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
@Campyonlyguy


> On Sep 13, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Lungimsam]

A few well placed ads with car helmetry and I bet one out of every three 
dollars spent in the USA during that month would be for car helmets. 

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Re: [RBW] Helmets... what do you like?

[Eric Norris]

+1 on putting helmets in the dishwasher. My wife has been doing this with my 
helmets for years.

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> On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:
> 
> Top rack of washing machine. 
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[RBW] Re: Putting a Clem on the rack of a bus?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Linda.  Given that, and the dimensions they list online, I'm pretty 
sure a 59 Clem would be too long.  Oh well!

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: New threadless bullmoose bar

[Will Ashe]

These can be ordered directly from Fairweather in Japan, only with the shipping 
penalty of $43. 

http://fairweather.cc/bullmoose

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Deacon Patrick]

Functionally, much the same thing is accomplished with crumple zones and 
air bags.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 12:58:20 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I wonder why noone is marketing helmets for auto drivers/passengers? 
> Helmet sellers stand to make waaay more money in that arena as there 
> are more car drivers and car passengers on the road than cyclists.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Steve Palincsar]

They do, for racing.


On 09/13/2016 02:58 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

I wonder why noone is marketing helmets for auto drivers/passengers? Helmet 
sellers stand to make waaay more money in that arena as there are more car 
drivers and car passengers on the road than cyclists.



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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Lungimsam]

I wonder why noone is marketing helmets for auto drivers/passengers? Helmet 
sellers stand to make waaay more money in that arena as there are more car 
drivers and car passengers on the road than cyclists.

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Re: [RBW] BICYCLE 'COCKPIT'

[Kai Vierstra]

In Mr. Valiensi's defense, I purchased a lovely Choco-moose/cockpit from him 
and the transaction was perfect across the board. Language is weird and can 
cause as many problems as it can solve, I know this for a fact, don't ask me 
how.
-Kai
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Deacon Patrick]

I think we're talking at cross purposes, Ron. I'll try again, using your 
crash as an example. Road rash is a vastly different thing than brain 
injury. Your momentum was dissipated by the relatively slow deceleration of 
the skid on the road, not by the helmet or the gloves. My point is this: 
had you instead stopped very rapidly (as in hitting a car or tree), the 
helmet would not have prevented the coup countrecoup of your brain slamming 
back and forth inside your skull due to rapid deceleration. It can't. You 
are spot on that helmets are good at preventing cuts and abrasions. Thus, 
the conversation about brain injury and helmets and the emotional "do you 
love your brain?" attempt at manipulating people into wearing a helmet as 
if it will protect against the primary cause of brain injury in a bike 
crash (coup contrecoup) is disingenuous and gives a false sense of safety.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:24:12 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> hogwash, Deac,   I've been twice on my helmet and gloves- once I was 
> thrown 20' when a water company pump pad grabbed and froze my front wheel 
> to the axle.  
> I slid on the helmet and gloves, and recieved no road rash on my face or 
> head.  I replaced my helmet in kind.  
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:59:26 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Until helmets can address the basic physics of inertia and rapid 
>> deceleration of the soft tissue brain inside the hard nut case, and the 
>> resulting biology of the brain sheering neural connections because of the 
>> coup countrecoup sloshing about like jello in a dropped bowl, helmets will 
>> do very little to mitigate brain injury and a lot to make people think they 
>> accomplish something. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:42:32 AM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>>>
>>> It's interesting how MIPS is promoted and accepted by users in the 
>>> apparent absence of evidence supporting its effectiveness. If it works, 
>>> show me the data! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:31:21 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:

 Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible 
 from my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my 
 humble opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I 
 have done and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come 
 to 
 see MIPs as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets 
 market, 
 is very small, usually just a few millimeters. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Big Guy Stuff: Wool Cardigan, Windbreaker Jacket, Wool Sweatshirt, LS Tee,and 1/4 Zip

[Zack]

Dropping prices!

Ibex Scout Jura Hoodie size XXL, worn a handful of times, black, this one 
http://shop.ibex.com/merino-wool-clothing/mens-long-sleeve-shirts/m-scout-jura-hoody
 *$89*
Ibex 4th Street Boucle Cardigan, XL, worn a handful of times, greenish 
bluish, this one: 
http://image.rakuten.co.jp/rococostore/cabinet/outer3/9476_fz.jpg* $79*
Patagonia 1/4 zip black merino long sleeve, size XL, worn a handful of 
times,* $32*
Ibex Orange Long Sleeve Merino XL, worn a bit, *$32*
Nau Lightbeam jacket, XL, orange, worn a bit. *$45*

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>
> Screwed up the last FS thread pretty good, haha. Starting anew.
>
> Ibex Scout Jura Hoodie size XXL, worn a handful of times, black, this one 
> http://shop.ibex.com/merino-wool-clothing/mens-long-sleeve-shirts/m-scout-jura-hoody
>  *$95*
> Ibex 4th Street Boucle Cardigan, XL, worn a handful of times, greenish 
> bluish, this one: 
> http://image.rakuten.co.jp/rococostore/cabinet/outer3/9476_fz.jpg* $85*
> Patagonia 1/4 zip black merino long sleeve, size XL, worn a handful of 
> times,* $40*
> Ibex Orange Long Sleeve Merino XL, worn a bit, *$40*
> Nau Lightbeam jacket, XL, orange, worn a bit. *$50*
>
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[RBW] Re: Putting a Clem on the rack of a bus?

[LLM]

Another thought...I saw a similar wheelbase spec online for one of the rack 
types used in the city I live in.  I called the office of the bus 
service and was told that their biggest concern is that the bike not stick 
out beyond the sides of the bus.  If the rack style is the double wheel 
well type, you may be out of luck; my 52 Clem barely fit in ours.  If it is 
the type that secures the front wheel in a deep wheel well with a 
spring-loaded arm, and provides an open-ended platform for the rear wheel, 
you might give it a try during an off-peak time.  The rear wheel can rest 
at the edge of the platform with the axle hanging out over thin air and 
still be quite secure because the front wheel isn't going anywhere.

>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The first of what we hope are several very interesting reviews of the Clementine, from Lovely Bicycle

[Wally Estrella]

Me too and three on the ANT Truss.  I loved it, but ended up trading it off 
to get an actual Iver Johnson truss and other stuff.



On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 2:07:40 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> ME TOO re my ANT Truss Bike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Chris Birkenmaier  > wrote:
>
> I hear you.  The way she writes about bikes makes me want to run out and 
> purchase whatever it is she is discussing.  I bought a Mike Flannigan/ANT 
> bike after seeing the one she commissioned from him.  It was/is a gorgeous 
> bike.  However, it kind of looks like that bike did not make the journey 
> over to Ireland with her.  Been wondering where it ended up.  Regardless, I 
> continue to enjoy my ANT truss bike.
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-4, Lynne Cooney wrote: 
>>
>> LB always makes me want one. She sold me on the Brompton and three years 
>> later, it would still win the "you only get to keep one bicycle" contest. 
>> Now I really want a Clementine. But I already have a Retrovelo, which was 
>> why I went for a Cheviot instead. 
>>
>> Curse you, Velouria. I want one.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 4:26:19 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The first of what we hope are several very interesting reviews of the Clementine, from Lovely Bicycle

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

ME TOO re my ANT Truss Bike

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Chris Birkenmaier 
> wrote:

I hear you.  The way she writes about bikes makes me want to run out and 
purchase whatever it is she is discussing.  I bought a Mike Flannigan/ANT bike 
after seeing the one she commissioned from him.  It was/is a gorgeous bike.  
However, it kind of looks like that bike did not make the journey over to 
Ireland with her.  Been wondering where it ended up.  Regardless, I continue to 
enjoy my ANT truss bike.

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-4, Lynne Cooney wrote:
LB always makes me want one. She sold me on the Brompton and three years later, 
it would still win the "you only get to keep one bicycle" contest. Now I really 
want a Clementine. But I already have a Retrovelo, which was why I went for a 
Cheviot instead.

Curse you, Velouria. I want one.

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[RBW] All Gone! (FS: bags, Tire Savers, pedal medley, misc bits)

[Patrick Moore]

All gone!

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:24:12 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> hogwash, Deac,   
>

What Ron Mc said, also based on dramatic personal experience, including a 
helmet smashed at speed, and a head that felt pretty darn good.

Un-Rivvy/Bobby, but my preferred helmet is a Specialized S-Works.  The only 
helmet I've ever owned that disappears once it's put on, and it will soon 
be replaced with same.  I also embrace lycra, so there you have it.

~pb

  


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[RBW] Re: The first of what we hope are several very interesting reviews of the Clementine, from Lovely Bicycle

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I hear you.  The way she writes about bikes makes me want to run out and 
purchase whatever it is she is discussing.  I bought a Mike Flannigan/ANT 
bike after seeing the one she commissioned from him.  It was/is a gorgeous 
bike.  However, it kind of looks like that bike did not make the journey 
over to Ireland with her.  Been wondering where it ended up.  Regardless, I 
continue to enjoy my ANT truss bike.

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-4, Lynne Cooney wrote:
>
> LB always makes me want one. She sold me on the Brompton and three years 
> later, it would still win the "you only get to keep one bicycle" contest. 
> Now I really want a Clementine. But I already have a Retrovelo, which was 
> why I went for a Cheviot instead.
>
> Curse you, Velouria. I want one.
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 4:26:19 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/09/clementine-belated-befuddled-bedazzled.html
>>
>>
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>> ***
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>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Putting a Clem on the rack of a bus?

[LLM]

Eamon,

I have had my 52 Clem-L on two different styles of bus bike rack.  
I posted a description and links to photos here 
.

Linda

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:05:50 AM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:

> Has anybody tried putting a Clem on one of the bike racks of a public 
> transportation bus? I sometimes need the ability to throw a bike on the bus 
> rack for part of my trip, and I wonder if the wheelbase is too long. I 
> suppose I should check too see if they list a maximum wheelbase for the 
> racks, but wondered if anyone had already tried it.
>
> Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

hogwash, Deac,   I've been twice on my helmet and gloves- once I was thrown 
20' when a water company pump pad grabbed and froze my front wheel to the 
axle.  
I slid on the helmet and gloves, and recieved no road rash on my face or 
head.  I replaced my helmet in kind.  

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:59:26 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Until helmets can address the basic physics of inertia and rapid 
> deceleration of the soft tissue brain inside the hard nut case, and the 
> resulting biology of the brain sheering neural connections because of the 
> coup countrecoup sloshing about like jello in a dropped bowl, helmets will 
> do very little to mitigate brain injury and a lot to make people think they 
> accomplish something. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:42:32 AM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>>
>> It's interesting how MIPS is promoted and accepted by users in the 
>> apparent absence of evidence supporting its effectiveness. If it works, 
>> show me the data! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:31:21 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible 
>>> from my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my 
>>> humble opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I 
>>> have done and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come to 
>>> see MIPs as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets market, 
>>> is very small, usually just a few millimeters. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

which is what causes me to buy all my sunglasses at sierratradingpost - 
often helmets, too, and merino...

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:54:08 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The same causes that give you the $500 cycling sunglasses: 
>
>
> http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/oakley-sunglasses-oo9174-carbon-blade?ID=1531252_country=US=pla=12015634633471=14345894421=pla-26723778509=120156340001087973=c_mmc=Google_Mens_Accessories_PLA-_-Men%27s+Sunglasses+-+GS_Oakley-_-59744373861-_-pg32487_c_kclickid_7f8f75f1-d844-46c0-8d56-612074d9b5f7=417x32487=CODQldzmjM8CFYORfgodQLgJMQ
>
>
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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

[Brian Campbell]

Put enough air in your tires. Go for a ride. Let some out or put some in 
depending on what you think of the ride. Repeat process as/if necessary. 
There is no absolute. 

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Jim M.]

The question wasn't about pros & cons of helmet wearing. Stop the 
proselytizing please. We are adults who can make our own decisions about 
headgear.

cheers
jim m
wc ca

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 9:59:26 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Until helmets can address the basic physics of inertia and rapid 
> deceleration of the soft tissue brain inside the hard nut case, and the 
> resulting biology of the brain sheering neural connections because of the 
> coup countrecoup sloshing about like jello in a dropped bowl, helmets will 
> do very little to mitigate brain injury and a lot to make people think they 
> accomplish something. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:42:32 AM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>>
>> It's interesting how MIPS is promoted and accepted by users in the 
>> apparent absence of evidence supporting its effectiveness. If it works, 
>> show me the data! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:31:21 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible 
>>> from my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my 
>>> humble opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I 
>>> have done and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come to 
>>> see MIPs as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets market, 
>>> is very small, usually just a few millimeters. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[R Shannon]

Scott, that's a beautiful Homer!

Regards,
Richard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Scott McLain  wrote:
> 
> I was exited to get my new used Homer.  I have a couple of neighbors that are 
> good friends and big bikers.  When it finally came, my neighbor came over and 
> picked it up and said "it's kind of heavy, how much did you pay for it?".  
> 
> I live where I never see another Riv in the wild.  I ride it every day to 
> work.  I don't know that anyone knows what it is or appreciates it like I do. 
>  But I love it more and more with every ride.
> 
> My wife and I were in San Francisco last week and took our Riv's.  I got a 
> few compliments there and saw a few other Riv's in the wild.  The Homer and 
> Sam are the perfect bikes for the city.  The funnest trip we have had.  I 
> highly recommend the Street's of San Francisco guided bike tour.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100305995@N06/shares/g4aVZF
> 
> Scott
> 
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have I 
>> ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
>> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
>> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
>> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
>> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>> 
>> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept the 
>> 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and truing 
>> without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 years ago 
>> before I had any real shop cred.
>> 
>> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
>> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
>> shifters?)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
>>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an LBS 
>>> and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
 
  Will Ashe wrote:
 
> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv dealer 
> or just carry Riv like parts and gear?
> 
> Will
> 
> 
 
 Will,
 
 By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike designs, 
 and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a shop where you 
 can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the door. (That's 
 happened to me before.)
 
 
 Paul 
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Deacon Patrick]

Until helmets can address the basic physics of inertia and rapid 
deceleration of the soft tissue brain inside the hard nut case, and the 
resulting biology of the brain sheering neural connections because of the 
coup countrecoup sloshing about like jello in a dropped bowl, helmets will 
do very little to mitigate brain injury and a lot to make people think they 
accomplish something. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:42:32 AM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>
> It's interesting how MIPS is promoted and accepted by users in the 
> apparent absence of evidence supporting its effectiveness. If it works, 
> show me the data! 
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:31:21 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>>
>> Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible 
>> from my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my 
>> humble opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I 
>> have done and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come to 
>> see MIPs as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets market, 
>> is very small, usually just a few millimeters. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Patrick Moore]

The same causes that give you the $500 cycling sunglasses:

http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/oakley-sunglasses-oo9174-carbon-blade?ID=1531252_country=US=pla=12015634633471=14345894421=pla-26723778509=120156340001087973=c_mmc=Google_Mens_Accessories_PLA-_-Men%27s+Sunglasses+-+GS_Oakley-_-59744373861-_-pg32487_c_kclickid_7f8f75f1-d844-46c0-8d56-612074d9b5f7=417x32487=CODQldzmjM8CFYORfgodQLgJMQ

I wonder how much these glasses and these helmets would cost if the seller
charged costs plus a reasonable -- say 100% -- markup?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:31 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>  How can a bicycle helmet cost almost three hundred dollars?
>
>

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[RBW] Update and last call; take what's left for $20 + shipping. (FS: bags, Tire Savers, pedal medley, misc bits)

[Patrick Moore]

Tire savers, tire lever bag, Timbuktu bag, GONE.

*Take Seagull, LE Briefcase, and pedals for $20 plus shipping.*

The Seagull in particular is a very nice bag; better quality material
except for straps than my new Timbuktu. I just don't like the
cinch-at-shoulder strap design.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 1. Seagull custom over the shoulder courier bag (right shoulder, so that
> it doesn't interfere with your rearward glances while cycling. 18 X 12 X 7,
> the same size as my new Timbuktu Classic. Outer zip pocket, inner document
> pocket. Previous owner put neat grommets at crest of flap for installing a
> handle -- no handle included. Excellent fabric -- Chrome quality, IMO --
> but straps inferior, though they work fine.
>
> $25 + shipping. Will fit into Medium flat rate Priority box at $13.45.
>
> 3. Old top-end Lands' End briefcase, the original high end model made from
> very heavy canvas with leather accents. Some scars and scuffs, but no
> tears, and the zipper works as new. Interior divider and pockets are heavy
> cotton canvas; the only plastic is the vinyl lining on the inside of the
> back and front panels.
>
> There are no stains, but the outer canvas has light fading and the
> interior is whole except for shredding at the top edges where it can't be
> seen.
>
> The bag has a aura of Important Things Done: Back as a would-be Yuppie in
> the mid '80s, I carried it to interview managers at Bell & Howell, Sperry
> Rand, Duke Power, and other for profit and non-commercial conglomerations
> of the great, good, and powerful.
>
> $15 + shipping. Again, will fit into Med Pr box.
>
> 6. Pedal Medley: 1 pr original issue M 737s; 2 pr Attacks; 1 pr 105 Look
> clones. All scuffed, but bearings smooth on all.
>
> $20 + shipping. These will fit into a $6.80 USPS padded flat rate envelope.
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Clementine59]

It's interesting how MIPS is promoted and accepted by users in the apparent 
absence of evidence supporting its effectiveness. If it works, show me the 
data! 

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:31:21 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>
> Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible from 
> my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my humble 
> opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I have done 
> and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come to see MIPs 
> as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets market, is very 
> small, usually just a few millimeters. 
>
> Try this: Take all ten fingers and grab your scalp with your finger tips. 
> Without letting your fingers slip on your skin, move your scalp around. I 
> can move mine at least a couple of centimeters, in all directions.  Your 
> scalp is a MIPS.  It even uses lube (blood and interstitial fluid). The 
> helmet will slide a little on the surface of your scalp too, especially if 
> you have hair. Now that I have dumped on MIPS, I have to say that I am glad 
> the helmet manufacturers are finally making attempts to make helmets safer, 
> instead of just new colors and over stylized designs every year. Purely on 
> a safety basis, I think the hardshell skater type helmets are a better 
> solution, as they don't stick but slide. No protruding vent edges, wings, 
> etc. to get stuck on whatever you hit.  I have yet to find one that checks 
> all my boxes however, as most are a little heavy, and hot.  Currently I am 
> using a Giro Aspect and a Giro Reverb for road and town riding. They have a 
> roundish shape with no protruding "streamlining wings". Giro helmets fit my 
> head shape well. 
>
> I tried on my sons Troy Lee Designs A1 helmet and was in love with the 
> comfort and quality.  
>
> If I bought a new helmet, would I buy MIPS?  Maybe.  The prices on some 
> helmets are getting ridiculous. How can a bicycle helmet cost almost three 
> hundred dollars? 
>
> Clayton
> (Bend)
>

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Re: [RBW] BICYCLE 'COCKPIT'

[Joe Bernard]

Is that guy new? I was starting to wonder what the game was with this thread. 

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[RBW] Re: New threadless bullmoose bar

[Clementine59]

They sold out very quickly. 

http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2016/08/bullmoose-bars-and-wider-traveler-tires.html

Hopefully more will be available soonish.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 2:43:22 AM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> FYI: 
>
> For anyone with a mid-nineties mountain bike project, Velo Orange just 
> started stocking this new Nitto bullmoose variation:
>
>
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/b903-bullmoose-bar-by-nitto-silver.html
>
> It's an absolute beauty! If I still had my old Litespeed, I'd snatch one 
> up!
>
>
> Eric 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Jim Bronson]

I am using 10 speed with an XD600 non-indexed which claims to be 8 speed,
and never had the chain fall between the sprockets except when sitting
still in the garage one time.  Never when riding.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 08/26/2016 12:52 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
>> * 9-speed chain will NOT fall between chain rings of the Sugino crank  -
>> lowers the danger factor, always a good thing
>>
>>
> Has anybody here actually tried running a 10 speed chain on a Sugino XD-2
> crank?   I suspect this fear is greatly exaggerated.  Even with 11 speed
> chains, "falling between" is probably an overstatement, although "works but
> not perfectly" might be the case.
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible from 
my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my humble 
opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I have done 
and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come to see MIPs 
as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets market, is very 
small, usually just a few millimeters. 

Try this: Take all ten fingers and grab your scalp with your finger tips. 
Without letting your fingers slip on your skin, move your scalp around. I 
can move mine at least a couple of centimeters, in all directions.  Your 
scalp is a MIPS.  It even uses lube (blood and interstitial fluid). The 
helmet will slide a little on the surface of your scalp too, especially if 
you have hair. Now that I have dumped on MIPS, I have to say that I am glad 
the helmet manufacturers are finally making attempts to make helmets safer, 
instead of just new colors and over stylized designs every year. Purely on 
a safety basis, I think the hardshell skater type helmets are a better 
solution, as they don't stick but slide. No protruding vent edges, wings, 
etc. to get stuck on whatever you hit.  I have yet to find one that checks 
all my boxes however, as most are a little heavy, and hot.  Currently I am 
using a Giro Aspect and a Giro Reverb for road and town riding. They have a 
roundish shape with no protruding "streamlining wings". Giro helmets fit my 
head shape well. 

I tried on my sons Troy Lee Designs A1 helmet and was in love with the 
comfort and quality.  

If I bought a new helmet, would I buy MIPS?  Maybe.  The prices on some 
helmets are getting ridiculous. How can a bicycle helmet cost almost three 
hundred dollars? 

Clayton
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Re: [RBW] BICYCLE 'COCKPIT'

[Ron Mc]

yeah, I was wondering myself whether the board admin might want to hire a 
psychologist

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> Troll.
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 6:02 PM, James Valiensi  > wrote:
>
>> GAWD This aggravates me to no end - referring to a bicycle handle bar as 
>> a "cockpit". Airplanes have cockpits, bicycles have handlebars for crap's 
>> sake!!!
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Scott McLain]

I was exited to get my new used Homer.  I have a couple of neighbors that 
are good friends and big bikers.  When it finally came, my neighbor came 
over and picked it up and said "it's kind of heavy, how much did you pay 
for it?".  

I live where I never see another Riv in the wild.  I ride it every day to 
work.  I don't know that anyone knows what it is or appreciates it like I 
do.  But I love it more and more with every ride.

My wife and I were in San Francisco last week and took our Riv's.  I got a 
few compliments there and saw a few other Riv's in the wild.  The Homer and 
Sam are the perfect bikes for the city.  The funnest trip we have had.  I 
highly recommend the Street's of San Francisco guided bike tour.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100305995@N06/shares/g4aVZF

Scott

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
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Re: [RBW] BICYCLE 'COCKPIT'

[Jim Bronson]

Troll.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 6:02 PM, James Valiensi  wrote:

> GAWD This aggravates me to no end - referring to a bicycle handle bar as a
> "cockpit". Airplanes have cockpits, bicycles have handlebars for crap's
> sake!!!
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Patrick Moore]

Just yesterday evening as I pulled up to Albertson's front door on my '03,
a shopper leaving exclaimed, "Nice bike!" Those praising the bike are by no
means usually cyclists themselves -- or, at least, they don't look like the
sort of person who has studied bikes for years. Though occasionally, I'll
have a passer-by say, "Rivendell! Nice!"

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Alexei Marcoux 
wrote:

> When I lived in Chicago, I got much Riv-love from the now-defunct Rapid
> Transit Cycle Shop (one of whose mechanics, Doug Haynes, built up
> beautifully for me a fixie-with-a-front-drum-brake SimpleOne). Here in
> midtown Omaha, I have received favorable responses to my Rivendell
> ownership from Olympia Cycles (who built up my first-ever derailleur-geared
> bike, a Velo Orange Campeur) and from Riv dealer Omaha Bicycle Company
> (which will supply me imminently with a new 52cm Clem Low in mustard).
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[RBW] Putting a Clem on the rack of a bus?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I just checked the website of my local bus service, and it says the maximum 
wheelbase that fits is 46 inches, or about 116 cm. I think a 59 Clem is longer 
than that, so I guess I have my answer.

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Marc Irwin]

I've come to like the Bern Allston helmet a lot.  It has a harder shell 
than most and a visor without weighing more than a roadie helmet.  One 
thing I heard mentioned in a discussion about MIPS systems, one person 
noted that any helmet will slide on the head and thus provide some 
rotational protection.  Obviously, it't not as predictable as a built in 
feature, but it's something I hadn't thought of before.

Marc

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[RBW] Putting a Clem on the rack of a bus?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Has anybody tried putting a Clem on one of the bike racks of a public 
transportation bus? I sometimes need the ability to throw a bike on the bus 
rack for part of my trip, and I wonder if the wheelbase is too long. I suppose 
I should check too see if they list a maximum wheelbase for the racks, but 
wondered if anyone had already tried it.

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

[Lungimsam]

So if I am 175lbs., on 27.9 lbs. of Bleriot, with 5 lbs. of front baggage, 
on 650b x 38mm Compass Loup Loup tires, at 45psi front and back, where does 
that put me? 

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Lungimsam]

When wearing a helmet, be sure to not ride near low hanging tree branches.

I wonder if anyone makes a helmet with break away straps?


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Re: [RBW] Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

if it stretches in the process of breaking, it's absorbing the maximum 
amount of energy

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 7:45:53 AM UTC-5, John L wrote:
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> Does a helmet that breaks absorb more energy from a blow than one that 
> doesn't?
>
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Re: [RBW] Helmets... what do you like?

[John L]

Does a helmet that breaks absorb more energy from a blow than one that 
doesn't?

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:46:33 PM UTC-4, Bill in Roswell GA 
wrote:
>
> I had one head hitting crash that left the faintest of marks on the outer 
> shell, yet the foam inside was broken through to the shell in 6 places. I 
> hope helmet makers drop the polystyrene foam and go to something better and 
> longer lasting like 3D0. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

[Ron Mc]

on the last tire pressure thread, one of the posters plugged everybody's 
replies back into the Berto graphs and found out we were all but a couple 
riding within a narrow error window on those graphs - we have naturally 
gravitated there.  The people who were exceptionally low also reported 
wrecks.  The people who were exceptionally high?  Well, I guess they get 
short tire life, ride rough and bounce.  

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 11:22:22 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> But werent Bertos calculations on stiff tires? Much stiffer than the 
> sidewalls many use today? Compass, GB, etc.
>
> Also on narrower rims than used today?
>
> So does his table really apply anymore?
>
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Re: [RBW] Helmets... what do you like?

[Lungimsam]

Put the helmet in the top rack of empty dish washer machine and run it. Got my 
helmet and straps amazingly clean.

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Re: [RBW] Helmets... what do you like?

[Lungimsam]

Top rack of washing machine. 

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[RBW] Re: Bars for Climbing

[Garth]

  This is quite impossible to say as what feels "right" to one does not to 
another.  Hand and body positioning have as much if not more to do with the 
fit of the bike , your own distinct sense of being centered in the bike, 
than the bar.  The bar also requires a stem , both selections vital in the 
fine tuning of bike feel as a *whole. *Notice how a bike that just feels 
"right" is one you don't even think about, you are free from any sense of 
"it" being apart from you, as if you are "riding an object". Rather, you 
find yourself moving effortlessly and without explanation or thought of 
one, not unlike flying effortlessly where everything is just one whole 
experience. Time and distance and space have no meaning here :) 

 If this seems just too "far out" and far fetched , I can only say it is 
any sense of limitation, isolation and separation that is what makes no 
sense. How can one be, and that being be limited, separated from itself ? 
That's double talk, either you are, or you are not , period, infinitum. If 
you are here, you be :)




On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:44:41 PM UTC-4, Bustini wrote:
>
> I'm close to buying an Appaloosa, to be used for everything including 
> loaded touring. There will be plenty of climbing to be done, so my question 
> is this: Does the Choco-Moose bar allow for enough forward and downward 
> lean to make for a decent (for me) climbing position? And how about a stiff 
> headwind? Is the position too upright? I really like a rather upright 
> riding position for most conditions, but I like to crouch when necessary. 
> Should I consider putting drops on the bike? I know this is all somewhat 
> subjective, but I could use some sage advice that is based in actual 
> experience. Thank you all!
>

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Re: [RBW] Helmets... what do you like?

[Surlyprof]

This got me wondering about what would degrade over time and why.  All I 
could think of is the EPS foam (most of the helmet), the outside shell 
(usually thermoformed PET or polyethylene terephthalate) and adhesive or 
tape that binds them together.  I've seen the shell separate from taped 
helmets.  PET is pretty durable but it is susceptible to UV.  EPS is pretty 
inert and durable over time as well, usually susceptible to only UV and 
hydrocarbons 
(http://buildblock.com/asked-answered-what-is-the-expected-lifetime-of-the-expanded-polystyrene-eps-foam/).
 
 All that considered, I would assume that they would degrade slightly over 
time the more time it spends outside in the sun.  Looking around for a 
video I once saw where they used a 5-axis CNC for milling out the vent 
holes on helmets I found this which I thought was mildly 
entertaining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7WSxzbNDiE  It did get me 
wondering how they make those MIPS helmets, though

Now if I could just figure out how to clean those grungy straps!

John

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:23:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Only test I've seen on the subject of replacing your helmet due to age not 
> impact.
>
>  http://www.helmets.org/helmetlineraging.htm
> http://www.meaforensic.com/helmet-testing-research
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 8:19:15 AM UTC-7, Bill in Roswell GA 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It is highly recommended by several safety organizations that your poly 
>> foam helmet be replaced every 5 years due to foam degradation. Previously 
>> they said 7 years. I split the difference and retire a helmet after 6 
>> years. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] New threadless bullmoose bar

[Eric Karnes]

FYI: 

For anyone with a mid-nineties mountain bike project, Velo Orange just 
started stocking this new Nitto bullmoose variation:

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/b903-bullmoose-bar-by-nitto-silver.html

It's an absolute beauty! If I still had my old Litespeed, I'd snatch one up!


Eric 

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[RBW] Re: Bars for Climbing

[Eric Karnes]

I haven't ridden the Choco-Moose as it's a bit too wide for my tastes (and 
narrow shoulders). But I use a VO Porteur bar, which is (kind of) a 
narrower version. They share a similar forward position, which when 
wrapped, I find fantastic for climbing. They remind me of gripping the 
bar-ends on my old mountain bike. Also a great position for stretched-out 
cruising on the flats. 

Eric

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:57:58 AM UTC-4, Bustini wrote:
>
> Thanks, Val!
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 4:23:07 PM UTC-7, Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>> I did a loaded tour with a lot of climbing (the San Juan Skyway clockwise 
>> from Durango) on my Joe and I quite enjoyed the seated, upright climbing 
>> position. It was completely comfortable and the views were amazing. I think 
>> the handlebars would allow a more downward angle but, for me, it was the 
>> saddle that made that position undesirable. A saddle that is comfortable 
>> sitting upright is not, for me, comfortable leaning forward due to back of 
>> thigh chafing. So while I normally ride a Brooks B17 Imperial on my drop 
>> bar bikes, I prefer the Brooks B67 on the Joe -- but only if I am seated 
>> fairly upright.  I hope that helps!
>>
>> Val in Boulder, CO
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 4:44:41 PM UTC-6, Bustini wrote:
>>>
>>> Does the Choco-Moose bar allow for enough forward and downward lean to 
>>> make for a decent (for me) climbing position? 
>>>
>>

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