Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?
Lum: I can't say I've experienced planing either, but I'm curious what you attribute the Ram's feeling of easier pedaling to? It's not setup; overall weight? Wheel weight? Tires? Loads? Position and fit? On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:57 PM, lum gim fong wrote: > ... > I have ridden a Bleriot, Sam, and Rambouillet. When I am fit, they all > feel fast. When I am not, sometimes the Sam and Bleriot felt like I could > not get out of my own way on hills. > With the Rambouillet, I feel like the pedals are easier to turn. Like they > are cooperating. Even on hills, they are responsive to the stroke, even > when going plodding slow uphill. Just easier to turn the pedals. All almost > identical builds and fit setups. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?
Interesting again. I can't say that my 28 mm actual Elk Passes feel slower than 22 mm actual Conti GPs (559 and 571 versions), or 571 Michelin Pro Race 3s and 4s, or in fact the very nice 559 X1" and 22 mm actual Specialized Turbo, when that was available; in fact, while feeling cushier (and of course being a heckofalot better for dirt), they actually feel faster, in the sense of making it seem easier to turn over a given gear at a given rpm in given conditions. I think that the feeling of smoothness also makes them feel faster (about 60 psi versus 80/90 f/r -- I'm 175 or so). (IME, it's not vibration at all that makes skinny tires feel faster, if in fact they do feel faster; just the opposite.) If you were to post a conventional drive side profile view photo of the Boulder, I would not complain. On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:46 PM, M G wrote: > Eno eccentric for the boulder (i tried for a little while to use the magic > combination, and it was too much of a hassle. The hub was a 'regular' Eno, > and one can just replace the axle which is a great feature > > tires - > i have found that i like 28 to 30 on the boulder (and on my most excellent > Tom Ritchey) / that 32 - 33 = sluggish (and measurably slower). > I'm 180 lbs. > Likewise i like 'em a little smaller than the internet says re 650b as > well; 38s vs 42s feel much faster. > Ron > > > On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 1:03:46 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> *My personal experience is that HOW the bike fits you, do you feel IN it >> or ON it, what is your fitness level, etc, is the biggest factor in comfort >> and speed and 'planing'* >> >> I have suspected this for quite a while, based on what bikes feel to me >> fastest and "easiest to maintain speed on". Some of these have been rather >> tanklike; that 1958 Herse I've talked about was rejected by its 2 previous >> owners for having too stout tubing (I think I remember them saying this), >> but, heavy as it was, and even in fact with rather mediocre tires, it just >> felt faster than lighter, thinner tubed bikes (1973 Motobecane Grand >> Record, eg) that I've ridden extensively. "Felt faster" in the sense that I >> was encouraged when riding it to ride 1 rear cog tooth smaller. >> >> Compass ~28 mm tires for light gravel and firmer dirt -- wonderful! (Elk >> Pass.) And of course, a good (= optimum fit and "feel") road bike set up >> fixed with the best tires you can find: priceless! >> >> Curious: Does the Boulder have horizontals, or do you use an ENO or other >> such workaround? >> >> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:39 AM, M G wrote: >> >>> I have a Boulder 700c rando w light tubing, and a Kog P/R; and the guys >>> i ride with have Rawland 650b bikes // i've spent YEARS trying to decide if >>> there is a difference, switching off bikes on the same route(s) etc. And i >>> will say that I greatly appreciate Jan's POV, and see all that he has done >>> for equipment (and of COURSE all the great work Grant P & Riv has done) // >>> that in the end it's incredibly subjective [remember when all BQ articles >>> essentially ended with, 'but still my 1962 Alex Singer did it better']. >>> >>> My personal experience is that HOW the bike fits you, do you feel IN it >>> or ON it, what is your fitness level, etc, is the biggest factor in comfort >>> and speed and 'planing' [when I've spent a winter doing squats, I can get >>> onto the P/R and it will 'plane' uphill for me; if i'm not in optimum >>> shape, that's the only time i get the 'non-planing deadleg' ie riding >>> uphill, or sprinting. The Boulder is a GREAT bike; the Rawland 650bs are >>> great; my Kog is an excellent all rounder; I ride the boulder on gnarly >>> dirt all the time and it hasn't snapped in 1/2 yet (it's on 32 mm tires, >>> compass tires, but i really prefer 27mm Challenge tires which are in effect >>> 30mm). And the bike i like the most [in theory], is my 1980 Tom Ritchey. >>> But in practice, the one i'm ON is the one i like the most. >>> >>> Heresy, but i have the Boulder set up as a fixed gear because i use it >>> now in a flat city [Boston] instead of in my hilly hometown, and with the >>> challenge tires 30mm tires, it's quantifiably a rocket. A comfortable >>> rocket. >>> >>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 2:17:41 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote: I have a couple different 50 mile rides I do, they are both on mostly paved surfaces, both have at least 8-10 miles of climbing and descending. I’ve done both these rides for close to 25 years. When I got my first 650B bike (in the early 2000s), I started riding that bike more than most. It fits 38-42mm tires, has fenders,lighting, bag, racks etc... My zippy road bike has been shod with700 28-35C tires, it is lean and carries nothing but a small under seat bag. While the road bike feels “faster”. The time it takes to complete either of these loops on either bike is never more than the time it takes to make a quick bathroom bre
Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:57 PM, lum gim fong wrote: > What does the flexing actually feel like? > > I have ridden a Bleriot, Sam, and Rambouillet. > > When I am fit, they all feel fast. > When I am not, sometimes the Sam and Bleriot felt like I could not get out > of my own way on hills. > With the Rambouillet, I feel like the pedals are easier to turn. Like they > are cooperating. Even on hills, they are responsive to the stroke, even > when going plodding slow uphill. Just easier to turn the pedals. All almost > identical builds and fit setups. > > Also, I have ridden with people who rode 531 and asked them if they felt > planing and they said no. > > I think butting length also effects the planing. > Also tire pressures/widths. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?
Brian: As far as I know, the old SA axles work fine in modern dropouts with the old rotation washers; I've used 2 types of these, heavy, serrated washers and the type with extensions that fit into the dropout slot. I don't recall ever having to replace the old ones with new ones. FWIW, I was told recently by a very experienced bike shop owner and long time builder or at least refurbisher that squeezing even 3 mm a side by putting a 114 mm OL hub into a 120 mm spaced frame may risk cracking the dropouts. (I think said person is on list; if he should wish to out himself, perhaps he will clarify or correct me if I've misstated.) I've thought of putting a 114 mm AM hub into a 120 mm frame myself. Aside: Interesting (to me at any rate): ( have a pair of Old Stock SA wingnuts that very cleverly have the antirotation washers built in. Easy peasy! On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Coal Bee Rye Anne < lionsrugbyalu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Revisiting this thread with a slight deviation but still 3 speed related >>> and hoping those of you with more Sturmey Archer 3 speeding experience may >>> help clarify: >>> >>> Are vintage SA rear hubs axles compatible with modern 10mm horizontals >>> by simply replacing with appropriately sized new anti-rotation washers? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I realize this question ignores over lock nut and frame spacing… I have >>> considered this as well but before pursuing any further I wanted to at >>> least confirm the issue with the old narrower flatted axle vs modern 10mm >>> is a non-issue if the correct washers will take care of it? I have an >>> old 114 spaced AW hub (still built into the original steel wheel) and >>> recently considered whether or not I could rebuild into a 700c alloy rim to >>> fit 120mm spaced frame(s)? >>> >>> >>> >>> Doing so would provide a 3 speed wheel that could fit both my Milwaukee >>> single speed & old Raleigh frame that I THOUGHT would take the stock >>> 590/650A/26x1-3/8 wheel but instead fits 700c with x-long reach brakes and >>> already has 10mm rear horizontals. >>> >>> >>> >>> If this works it’ll not only bring 3 speeding back into my life but help >>> push some other conversion ideas out of my mind and only require rebuilding >>> one wheel. If using a Velocity dyad rim it would also provide a >>> matching rear to an otherwise unmatched spare 700c dyad front wheel I >>> already have. >>> >> > Thanks, > Brian Cole > Lawrenceville NJ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTB 60 Quickbeam or SimpleOne
Will send you a PM on a green one, 60 cm. --Tom On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:26:38 PM UTC-5, nathan wrote: > > I got excited about the Frank concept and was ready to buy, but sadly > couldn't snag a 59 in time. > > So… is anyone selling a 60 Quickbeam or SimpleOne? I'd be able to pickup > in SF or Reno-Tahoe, and would consider shipping too. > > Nathan > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?
On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:35:40 PM UTC-5, Jonathan wrote: ..with the Sam I fit right in the middle of the recommended PBH range. On top of that, you get more tire clearance, more braze-ons, and more lugs. I feel like that last bit is important to consider... They're not just any ordinary lugs, after all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: If you have ever lusted after Woody fenders . . .
Ann, How do the components hold up in all that salty riding? Any secrets/tips? I'd like to ride more but fear the road salts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?
I'm not sure I would characterize the Roadini as fulfilling the role of a "stripped down racing bike" at least not in the modern sense (where that term is redundant). With room for 35mm tires and with fender braze-ons, it's more like a regular sport touring bike from the 1960s, 1970s. And that pound less in the frame & fork is not so much about the pound, but a lighter, maybe livelier, more responsive bike frame. Being "way more comfortable" on 38mm tires vs. 35mm tires is subjective, and also depends on road surfaces and rider build and style. Since you already have a rough and ready Joe, my vote would be for a Roadini, described by Riv as *"an all-aroUnd, all-weatHer road Bike. it gives up nothing to modern extreme bikes on smooth, ideal roads, and is far better in every way when conditions are crappy. it has the classical clearances of the oldies, higher quality overall construction, is more comfortable, and rides like a Rivendell." * For most U.S. paved roads a bicycle with 28-35mm tires will be just dandy. And it may give you a little more road feel feedback, which can also translate to the *feeling* of speed for some. And who cares how fast you are actually going? That's one reason I love to ride at night--you instantly go 5mph faster. Anyway, I think with a Joe and a Roadini, you've got your bases covered nicely. My 1974 Ron Kitching can take 35mm tires and has fender braze-ons, and I could do D2R2 with that bike no problemo. But, although one bike is never faster than another, it does have a snappier response when I jump the pedals hard than my bikes with bigger rubber and stouter tubesets. Is it measurably faster? Who cares?! Riding bikes that are different enough is what lets you know you are riding bikes that are different. Fun! On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:37:53 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > My main 'real world road bike' is my Sam Hillborne. I have a stipped down > racing bike that resembles a Roadini, a Black Mountain Road bike. If your > application requires a stripped down racing bike, the Roadini is more like > that. > > Let's say hypothetically you built up a Roadini with a light build and had > a 22 pound road bike, with 32 mm tires. If you moved that build kit over > to a Hillborne, the only different thing you would need is a 135mm rear hub > and cantilever brakes. That hypothetical Hillborne would be about 23 > pounds, or about half a water bottle heavier. On that light Hillborne > you'd could run 38mm Barlow Pass tires instead and be just as fast (or > faster) and way more comfortable, and still could run fenders, which would > take you up to 24 pounds. You could add a nice handlebar bag and dynamo > lighting and now you have a full feature brevet bike. > > It's true that if you do an urban assault vehicle build on a Sam you might > end up with a 32 pound bike which would 'overlap' a fair bit with an > Appaloosa. A light Sam build could definitely give a Roadini a run for its > money. A Roadini is a straightforward stripped down race bike. If you are > sure you need/want a stripped down straightforward race bike (and nothing > more, ever), it's a great choice. If you want a 'real world road bike' that > excels at a wider swath of applications, there's very little compromise > with a Sam to buy you that versatility. You could absolutely run the Sam as > a loaded touring bike, or a cyclocross race bike, or a drop bar trail bike, > or an upright commuter, or a stripped down road bike. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 4:09:49 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote: >> >> I figured I would ask on the off chance (or maybe not so off?) that >> someone has ridden all three bikes and can describe their take on the >> differences they detected. I know from design that the Roadini should be >> faster than the Sam and the Sam faster than the Joe. I know from a touring >> and rough stuff perspective it would be the Joe then the Sam then the >> Roadini. >> >> That said, I am curious if anyone has had the chance to ride all three >> and what impressed them regarding differences as well as similarities. >> >> My caveat, as I now say often, is I have no business asking! Still, I >> would be curious... I have a Joe that I love but having the Joe built for >> rough stuff and something else built for faster and smoother riding does >> sound like a great thing. I am attracted to the Sam but fear there is just >> too much overlap with the Joe I already have. >> >> Anyway, figured I would ask... Thanks in advance for any help or >> descriptions. >> >> Bob L. >> Galesburg, IL >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this gr
[RBW] WTB: 170 or 177.2mm crankset for single speed build
110bcd, 130 or 50.4 if you have a Pro 5 Vis. Japanese would be nice to go along with the Nitto/Suzue/Dia Compe bits that are going on the bike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Big cassettes/Do I need a wolftooth roadlink or similar
On Wednesday, 20 December 2017 06:40:12 UTC+11, Tim Gavin wrote: > > I agree, Jim. Totally valid but a "pro tip". > > It also depends on the rear derailleur; some MTB RDs have enough chain > takeup for a very long chain. > > On my Riv ('97 Road Standard), I have a 52/42/30 road triple and an 11-34 > cassette. The Shimano RD-M772-SGS (long cage) can handle enough chain for > the Sheldon-recommended big-big+2 method, without sagging on small-small. > Not that I'll ever use either cross-chain combination on purpose, but on a > long day of touring my brain gets fuzzy. > Yeah, if you ride for long enough and far enough, sooner or later you'll make a mistake about which chainring you're using. Happened to me on Mt Ousley towards the end of long and hard ride - I was thinking that I most be really stuffed because the climb was much harder than I remembered. Wasn't until I was almost at the top that I realised that I wasn't on the small chainring... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] If you have ever lusted after Woody fenders . . .
I dig woodies and someone here gave me a pair a couple years ago. I never mounted them before selling that bike and now don't have a 26” wheel bike to put them on. Someday! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: If you have ever lusted after Woody fenders . . .
I'd love to see pic of the San Marcos with the Woody fenders. How do the Woodys hold up in the weather? Have you ever ridden with them on a slushy salt treated road? On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:30:14 PM UTC-5, Ann L wrote: > > They are having a holiday sale with $27 to $37 off. I have them on my San > Marcos and love them. I just placed an order for my Appaloosa. > https://www.woodysfenders.com/ > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Question about the 'downtube shifter stop washers'
^Correct, they are about 2x. Chris at The Granary may still have the 10 speed for $59 http://www.thegranarybicyclecompany.com/product/dura-ace-sl-7900-down-tube-shifters/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] If you have ever lusted after Woody fenders . . .
They are having a holiday sale with $27 to $37 off. I have them on my San Marcos and love them. I just placed an order for my Appaloosa. https://www.woodysfenders.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] My low-trail Atlantis is coming up for sale...
A price does seem in order here. Since the bike is posted in detail with pics, it's not really accurate to present as "going to be up for sale." It's for sale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Question about the 'downtube shifter stop washers'
8-speed. You'll need the much pricier Dura-Ace dt levers for 9 if you can find some. I don't think they're in production anymore. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Question about the 'downtube shifter stop washers'
Will these shifters work with a nine speed cassette? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Question about the 'downtube shifter stop washers'
Shimano Tiagra R550 Flat Bar Brake Levers Shimano Tiagra R451 Road Brake Caliper The 4600 Tiagra line is not bad, the 4700 is a bit more gray/silver but also not bad. On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:06:21 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: > > Lets turn this into a "affordable silver parts" thread > > Shimano R400 brake levers > Shimano FD-R440 front derailleur > R400 downtube shifters > > What else we got? Is there a crank that fits this group well? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Question about the 'downtube shifter stop washers'
Lets turn this into a "affordable silver parts" thread Shimano R400 brake levers Shimano FD-R440 front derailleur R400 downtube shifters What else we got? Is there a crank that fits this group well? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?
Bill speaks wisely. I also bought a Roadini frameset (pre-order frenzy always gets me), even though I also owned a Black Mountain Cycles road bike. Functionally, they are almost identical. If I could do it all over again, I would probably buy a Sam instead of a Roadini for all of the reasons Bill lists. It's more versatile, and you're probably sacrificing a pound at the most. This is not a critique of the Roadini. It's more of a critique of how I make silly decisions about my own stable. And FWIW, I traded a few emails with Grant and he said my 89.5 PBH would put me on a 58cm Sam, no question. On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:35:40 PM UTC-5, Jonathan wrote: > > I was in a similar situation to you a couple months ago. I have a Joe that > I love, but I wanted a Rivendell for longer, faster road rides. > > I chose to pre-order a Sam mainly because of the sizing issue that you > referenced in your other thread. Like you, I have an 89cm PBH. My 58 > Appaloosa fits great. I have had too many bikes that feel just a little bit > too big or a little bit too small. I was worried about being in between > sizes on the Roadini, but with the Sam I fit right in the middle of the > recommended PBH range. On top of that, you get more tire clearance, more > braze-ons, and more lugs. As Bill mentioned in the last post, the Roadini > might end up being a little bit faster, but other than that, the Sam gives > you way more options for future builds. > > Yes, Joe and Sam framesets might appear to overlap, but the builds will > set them apart. My Joe is typical commuter with fenders, racks, bags, > upright bars (currently Chocomoose, but planning to try the Bosco > Bullmoose). When the Hillborne gets here, it will get drop bars, fenders, > 38mm Barlow Pass tires, and a saddle bag. > > Sorry I don't have any actual ride comparisons, but my Sam wont be here > until January. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
Glad to hear you pulled the trigger, after all that. Congratulations On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote: > > they said its a homer blue and thats what i ordered > >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: fs: Brooks B17 Imperial + Nitto Noodles 46cm + Grand Cru seatpost + Dimension stem
Seatpost is SOLD! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
I'm just catching up - but that sounds like what i expected to happen with the 59. Glad I didn't want one, because work would have kept me away at the crucial moment - not unlike trying to sign my kids up for after-school clubs. Such a bummer that Grant couldn't get one though. I'm not sure I've ever understood the chosen allocation of sizes in a given order. Is it an attempt to be equitable to all body types, or do manufacturers require minimums in each size, whether you want them or not? It's not just Rivendell or even bikes, for that matter. Ask any man with a 10 1/2 size shoe. For those of you who might have missed out, I wonder if Blue lug would have any extras? A little more shipping cost, but maybe worth it? On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:53:20 PM UTC-7, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote: > > I'm too tall for 'em but just wanted to see additional pics and the 59cm > showed sold out only about 5 mins past the hour. > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:09:26 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: >> >> Interesting - there were 5 total did the 59 really go that quick? >> >> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:06:28 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote: >>> >>> Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment >>> it said inventory issues. >>> >>> Oh well. >>> >>> Clayton Scott >>> SF, CA >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:47:01 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote: well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote: > > Anxiously awaiting any announcement. Finger exercises and stretching > for quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited > replacement for my dearly departed Quickbeam. > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote: >> >> The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today? >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
57cm Blue, I don't understand the preference for silver, but it worked out for me. Now I need to order some rims to lace to the NOS Campy hubs - definitely polished finish on the rims. I also have an NOS Spidel Crankset (French Campy copy that is actually nicer - it is finished on the backside of the crank arms, just like the front). In fact, think I have everything I need except for the rims and handlebars. Not sure about tires yet - likely 38mm Compass Barlow Pass Extralight. This is going to be old school, lightweight and stripped with dropped bars, but with comfortable tires. Given the low BB - this may be the bike for my Lyotard Marcel Berthet platform pedals. Laing -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] fs: Brooks B17 Imperial + Nitto Noodles 46cm + Grand Cru seatpost + Dimension stem
Four items for sale! *1) **Brooks B17 Imperial*. Very nice shape, approx 1k miles. I'll include a Brooks wrench.* $70 shipped in CONUS*. https://flic.kr/p/HJcXBD https://flic.kr/p/D2HZbX https://flic.kr/p/21kbgSP https://flic.kr/p/HJcXRM https://flic.kr/p/ExFob3 https://flic.kr/p/21kbh64 https://flic.kr/p/21kbgRB https://flic.kr/p/HJcXPT *2) **Nitto Noodle handlebar*. Mod 177. 46cm wide. Heat treated. Some light bar tape residue. *$50 shipped in CONUS.* https://flic.kr/p/ExFo8C https://flic.kr/p/21kbh3t https://flic.kr/p/21AodtE https://flic.kr/p/HJcXMP https://flic.kr/p/21kbgPc https://flic.kr/p/D2HZ1B *3) **Grand Cru Long Setback Seatpost*. 27.2 diameter. Nice Nitto-like finish. A few minor marks on the upper backside, otherwise great. *$40 shipped in CONUS.* https://flic.kr/p/ExFo51 https://flic.kr/p/21kbgZx https://flic.kr/p/HJcXJH https://flic.kr/p/21AodrW https://flic.kr/p/D2HYYx *4)* *Dimension stem*. +35 degrees. For 1 1/8" steerer / 26.0 clamp. I'm not exactly sure how long but it's either 120 or 130 (what's the method to measure super rise stems?!). Some light marks. * $16 shipped in CONUS. *https://flic.kr/p/21kbgXZ https://flic.kr/p/21kbgWB https://flic.kr/p/D2HZda https://flic.kr/p/21kbgXZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
they said its a homer blue and thats what i ordered On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 4:03:53 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > The blue is pretty. It reminds me of the old Ram color, although I think > it's an old Hilsen hue. Alas, I'm all full up on on bikes with my 2-speed > Cheviot and Bike Friday cargo bikes on the way. Enjoy, Jonesers! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
The blue is pretty. It reminds me of the old Ram color, although I think it's an old Hilsen hue. Alas, I'm all full up on on bikes with my 2-speed Cheviot and Bike Friday cargo bikes on the way. Enjoy, Jonesers! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?
What does the flexing actually feel like? I have ridden a Bleriot, Sam, and Rambouillet. When I am fit, they all feel fast. When I am not, sometimes the Sam and Bleriot felt like I could not get out of my own way on hills. With the Rambouillet, I feel like the pedals are easier to turn. Like they are cooperating. Even on hills, they are responsive to the stroke, even when going plodding slow uphill. Just easier to turn the pedals. All almost identical builds and fit setups. Also, I have ridden with people who rode 531 and asked them if they felt planing and they said no. I think butting length also effects the planing. Also tire pressures/widths. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote: > > > >"But with long (and slanted!) track ends, why not fixed? What am I > missing?" > > I had to read it a couple of times to understand, not being a fixed gear > rider. Basically, he's saying there's too much chance of pedal strikes > with such a low bottom bracket. Think corners without the ability to keep > your inside pedal elevated > Thanks. When I saw the name JONES, I thought this thread was about a Jones Bike, like those built by JEFF Jones. I didn't know or realized that Riv is coming out with a "Jones" bike of their own. Good to know. So is it going to be lugged or is Riv going tig-welded like what they seem to be headed. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
I'm too tall for 'em but just wanted to see additional pics and the 59cm showed sold out only about 5 mins past the hour. On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:09:26 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: > > Interesting - there were 5 total did the 59 really go that quick? > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:06:28 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote: >> >> Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment it >> said inventory issues. >> >> Oh well. >> >> Clayton Scott >> SF, CA >> >> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:47:01 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote: >>> >>> well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote: Anxiously awaiting any announcement. Finger exercises and stretching for quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited replacement for my dearly departed Quickbeam. On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote: > > The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] My low-trail Atlantis is coming up for sale...
Did I miss the price? Matt B Oswego, IL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
they said, absolutely, positively, there will not be another run. This was at least 1 year in the making and Blue Lug for 2/3s of them -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?
I was in a similar situation to you a couple months ago. I have a Joe that I love, but I wanted a Rivendell for longer, faster road rides. I chose to pre-order a Sam mainly because of the sizing issue that you referenced in your other thread. Like you, I have an 89cm PBH. My 58 Appaloosa fits great. I have had too many bikes that feel just a little bit too big or a little bit too small. I was worried about being in between sizes on the Roadini, but with the Sam I fit right in the middle of the recommended PBH range. On top of that, you get more tire clearance, more braze-ons, and more lugs. As Bill mentioned in the last post, the Roadini might end up being a little bit faster, but other than that, the Sam gives you way more options for future builds. Yes, Joe and Sam framesets might appear to overlap, but the builds will set them apart. My Joe is typical commuter with fenders, racks, bags, upright bars (currently Chocomoose, but planning to try the Bosco Bullmoose). When the Hillborne gets here, it will get drop bars, fenders, 38mm Barlow Pass tires, and a saddle bag. Sorry I don't have any actual ride comparisons, but my Sam wont be here until January. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
I had my LBS order a 55, but I think I was too late to get the silver one (my preference). That was fast. Oh well, the blue looks nice, too. Now here's the fun question - do I build it up as a single speed or a 3-speed IGH? On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 12:05:07 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote: > > Well, I ordered the 53. > > I was hoping to see geometry for the 55 but I think the 53 is right. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?
I'm 210 lbs and just about every bike I get on seems to "plane" for me, and I think its because my weight makes nearly every bike flex for me in the right way. Ty On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-8, M G wrote: > > Eno eccentric for the boulder (i tried for a little while to use the magic > combination, and it was too much of a hassle. The hub was a 'regular' Eno, > and one can just replace the axle which is a great feature > > tires - > i have found that i like 28 to 30 on the boulder (and on my most excellent > Tom Ritchey) / that 32 - 33 = sluggish (and measurably slower). > I'm 180 lbs. > Likewise i like 'em a little smaller than the internet says re 650b as > well; 38s vs 42s feel much faster. > Ron > > > On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 1:03:46 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> *My personal experience is that HOW the bike fits you, do you feel IN it >> or ON it, what is your fitness level, etc, is the biggest factor in comfort >> and speed and 'planing'* >> >> I have suspected this for quite a while, based on what bikes feel to me >> fastest and "easiest to maintain speed on". Some of these have been rather >> tanklike; that 1958 Herse I've talked about was rejected by its 2 previous >> owners for having too stout tubing (I think I remember them saying this), >> but, heavy as it was, and even in fact with rather mediocre tires, it just >> felt faster than lighter, thinner tubed bikes (1973 Motobecane Grand >> Record, eg) that I've ridden extensively. "Felt faster" in the sense that I >> was encouraged when riding it to ride 1 rear cog tooth smaller. >> >> Compass ~28 mm tires for light gravel and firmer dirt -- wonderful! (Elk >> Pass.) And of course, a good (= optimum fit and "feel") road bike set up >> fixed with the best tires you can find: priceless! >> >> Curious: Does the Boulder have horizontals, or do you use an ENO or other >> such workaround? >> >> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:39 AM, M G wrote: >> >>> I have a Boulder 700c rando w light tubing, and a Kog P/R; and the guys >>> i ride with have Rawland 650b bikes // i've spent YEARS trying to decide if >>> there is a difference, switching off bikes on the same route(s) etc. And i >>> will say that I greatly appreciate Jan's POV, and see all that he has done >>> for equipment (and of COURSE all the great work Grant P & Riv has done) // >>> that in the end it's incredibly subjective [remember when all BQ articles >>> essentially ended with, 'but still my 1962 Alex Singer did it better']. >>> >>> My personal experience is that HOW the bike fits you, do you feel IN it >>> or ON it, what is your fitness level, etc, is the biggest factor in comfort >>> and speed and 'planing' [when I've spent a winter doing squats, I can get >>> onto the P/R and it will 'plane' uphill for me; if i'm not in optimum >>> shape, that's the only time i get the 'non-planing deadleg' ie riding >>> uphill, or sprinting. The Boulder is a GREAT bike; the Rawland 650bs are >>> great; my Kog is an excellent all rounder; I ride the boulder on gnarly >>> dirt all the time and it hasn't snapped in 1/2 yet (it's on 32 mm tires, >>> compass tires, but i really prefer 27mm Challenge tires which are in effect >>> 30mm). And the bike i like the most [in theory], is my 1980 Tom Ritchey. >>> But in practice, the one i'm ON is the one i like the most. >>> >>> Heresy, but i have the Boulder set up as a fixed gear because i use it >>> now in a flat city [Boston] instead of in my hilly hometown, and with the >>> challenge tires 30mm tires, it's quantifiably a rocket. A comfortable >>> rocket. >>> >>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 2:17:41 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote: I have a couple different 50 mile rides I do, they are both on mostly paved surfaces, both have at least 8-10 miles of climbing and descending. I’ve done both these rides for close to 25 years. When I got my first 650B bike (in the early 2000s), I started riding that bike more than most. It fits 38-42mm tires, has fenders,lighting, bag, racks etc... My zippy road bike has been shod with700 28-35C tires, it is lean and carries nothing but a small under seat bag. While the road bike feels “faster”. The time it takes to complete either of these loops on either bike is never more than the time it takes to make a quick bathroom break. Neither is ever faster than the other. Ray Vallejo CA >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Resumes,
[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?
Hi Bob, Not quite the comparison you requested, but I have a 55cm Joe appaloosa built up with dropbars, a 60cm saluki (which seems functionally similar to the hillborne) and a 61cm Romulus (which seems functionally similar to the roadini). Their respective weights are 37lbs, 32 lbs and 24lbs the way I have them built up. When clad with snoqualmie extralights the joe is possibly just slightly slower than the saluki. With marathon supremes my commute which takes 36min on the saluki, ends up taking 40min on the joe (a hilly 7.5 miles). Of the two, I prefer the handling of the saluki, but prefer the v-brake stopping power on the joe and its capacity for load carrying. If push came to shove, I'd sell the saluki first. If I had planned on using sweptback bars, I think the 55cm joe would have been a bit too small, but as a dropbar it fits me nicely. I based my choice on stack and reach numbers and haven't regretted that choice. The romulus with 30mm grandbois extralight tires seems to be very similar in speed to the saluki but climbs with less effort and is slightly less comfortable over rough road surfaces. Still pretty comfortable though. And of the two, I prefer the saluki's handling -- it feels quite responsive to steering input but holds a line easily. If I already had a Joe and I was deciding between a roadini and a canti (or vbrake in my case) hillborne, I'd pick the hillborne and then build it up more or less racey as I felt like. I do wonder if the Atlantis isn't the perfect one bike to rule them all though -- handling similar to the saluki and tire, brake and load-carrying capacity similar to the appaloosa. Maybe someday, but I think my next bike purchase will be a small appa for my wif, who thinks mine is just about as nice as a bike can get. Sky in new west On Tuesday, 19 December 2017 12:01:50 UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > > Thanks Bill! You do remind me of a friend, a co-worker, in Denver. I > would have spent far too long overanalyzing something, usually which bike > to keep, sell, modify, build a different way, etc. I would tell him of my > dilemma, whatever it was, expecting at least a delay in his response while > he thought through all that I told him. Anyway, without any discernible > hesitation, he would say, just do this, this and this and, well, problem > solved! And I would stand there, lost for words, as he always seemed to > cut to the essence of the problem and present, almost always, the right > answer. You guys kill me! And make me laugh at myself as well... > > You are exactly right! The only danger would be my own habit of > overbuilding and making a bike heavier than it needs to be. I do know the > Sam would fit me, no doubt about that. I am going on more group rides (the > "Cyclists of Galesburg"!) and though we do not go that fast, a little > additional efficiency or speed would be welcome. I could overbuild the Joe > for touring and rough-stuff and just try and have some discipline with the > other bike, whatever it might be. > > I will consider your words! As they are wise... :>) > > Hope all is well there! Following your adventures and bike builds is a > true gift here, so please keep all that up! Thanks for your help. > > From the "true winter will be here soon" Midwest, > > Bob L. > Galesburg, IL > > > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:37:53 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> My main 'real world road bike' is my Sam Hillborne. I have a stipped >> down racing bike that resembles a Roadini, a Black Mountain Road bike. If >> your application requires a stripped down racing bike, the Roadini is more >> like that. >> >> Let's say hypothetically you built up a Roadini with a light build and >> had a 22 pound road bike, with 32 mm tires. If you moved that build kit >> over to a Hillborne, the only different thing you would need is a 135mm >> rear hub and cantilever brakes. That hypothetical Hillborne would be about >> 23 pounds, or about half a water bottle heavier. On that light Hillborne >> you'd could run 38mm Barlow Pass tires instead and be just as fast (or >> faster) and way more comfortable, and still could run fenders, which would >> take you up to 24 pounds. You could add a nice handlebar bag and dynamo >> lighting and now you have a full feature brevet bike. >> >> It's true that if you do an urban assault vehicle build on a Sam you >> might end up with a 32 pound bike which would 'overlap' a fair bit with an >> Appaloosa. A light Sam build could definitely give a Roadini a run for its >> money. A Roadini is a straightforward stripped down race bike. If you are >> sure you need/want a stripped down straightforward race bike (and nothing >> more, ever), it's a great choice. If you want a 'real world road bike' that >> excels at a wider swath of applications, there's very little compromise >> with a Sam to buy you that versatility. You could absolutely run the Sam as >> a loade
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
Maybe they'll do another run. I wonder how many to make it worthwhile? On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:06:28 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote: > > Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment it > said inventory issues. > > Oh well. > > Clayton Scott > SF, CA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] WTB 60 Quickbeam or SimpleOne
I got excited about the Frank concept and was ready to buy, but sadly couldn't snag a 59 in time. So… is anyone selling a 60 Quickbeam or SimpleOne? I'd be able to pickup in SF or Reno-Tahoe, and would consider shipping too. Nathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
Interesting - there were 5 total did the 59 really go that quick? On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:06:28 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote: > > Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment it > said inventory issues. > > Oh well. > > Clayton Scott > SF, CA > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:47:01 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote: >> >> well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post >> >> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote: >>> >>> Anxiously awaiting any announcement. Finger exercises and stretching >>> for quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited >>> replacement for my dearly departed Quickbeam. >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote: The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today? >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment it said inventory issues. Oh well. Clayton Scott SF, CA On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:47:01 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote: > > well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote: >> >> Anxiously awaiting any announcement. Finger exercises and stretching for >> quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited replacement >> for my dearly departed Quickbeam. >> >> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote: >>> >>> The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today? >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
Well, I ordered the 53. I was hoping to see geometry for the 55 but I think the 53 is right. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?
Thanks Bill! You do remind me of a friend, a co-worker, in Denver. I would have spent far too long overanalyzing something, usually which bike to keep, sell, modify, build a different way, etc. I would tell him of my dilemma, whatever it was, expecting at least a delay in his response while he thought through all that I told him. Anyway, without any discernible hesitation, he would say, just do this, this and this and, well, problem solved! And I would stand there, lost for words, as he always seemed to cut to the essence of the problem and present, almost always, the right answer. You guys kill me! And make me laugh at myself as well... You are exactly right! The only danger would be my own habit of overbuilding and making a bike heavier than it needs to be. I do know the Sam would fit me, no doubt about that. I am going on more group rides (the "Cyclists of Galesburg"!) and though we do not go that fast, a little additional efficiency or speed would be welcome. I could overbuild the Joe for touring and rough-stuff and just try and have some discipline with the other bike, whatever it might be. I will consider your words! As they are wise... :>) Hope all is well there! Following your adventures and bike builds is a true gift here, so please keep all that up! Thanks for your help. >From the "true winter will be here soon" Midwest, Bob L. Galesburg, IL On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:37:53 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > My main 'real world road bike' is my Sam Hillborne. I have a stipped down > racing bike that resembles a Roadini, a Black Mountain Road bike. If your > application requires a stripped down racing bike, the Roadini is more like > that. > > Let's say hypothetically you built up a Roadini with a light build and had > a 22 pound road bike, with 32 mm tires. If you moved that build kit over > to a Hillborne, the only different thing you would need is a 135mm rear hub > and cantilever brakes. That hypothetical Hillborne would be about 23 > pounds, or about half a water bottle heavier. On that light Hillborne > you'd could run 38mm Barlow Pass tires instead and be just as fast (or > faster) and way more comfortable, and still could run fenders, which would > take you up to 24 pounds. You could add a nice handlebar bag and dynamo > lighting and now you have a full feature brevet bike. > > It's true that if you do an urban assault vehicle build on a Sam you might > end up with a 32 pound bike which would 'overlap' a fair bit with an > Appaloosa. A light Sam build could definitely give a Roadini a run for its > money. A Roadini is a straightforward stripped down race bike. If you are > sure you need/want a stripped down straightforward race bike (and nothing > more, ever), it's a great choice. If you want a 'real world road bike' that > excels at a wider swath of applications, there's very little compromise > with a Sam to buy you that versatility. You could absolutely run the Sam as > a loaded touring bike, or a cyclocross race bike, or a drop bar trail bike, > or an upright commuter, or a stripped down road bike. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote: > > Anxiously awaiting any announcement. Finger exercises and stretching for > quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited replacement > for my dearly departed Quickbeam. > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote: >> >> The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today? >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Big cassettes/Do I need a wolftooth roadlink or similar
I agree, Jim. Totally valid but a "pro tip". It also depends on the rear derailleur; some MTB RDs have enough chain takeup for a very long chain. On my Riv ('97 Road Standard), I have a 52/42/30 road triple and an 11-34 cassette. The Shimano RD-M772-SGS (long cage) can handle enough chain for the Sheldon-recommended big-big+2 method, without sagging on small-small. Not that I'll ever use either cross-chain combination on purpose, but on a long day of touring my brain gets fuzzy. On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Jim Bronson wrote: > Big-Big only if you have a double. On a triple, if you use your gears > contentiously, you'd never ride big-big anyway. (This advice for RBWers and > other experienced riders only, FWIW). > > I'm using combinations past the capacity of the my current derailer so the > only real requirement in my mind is that only the gears I actually use will > work. That is what I test and adjust for. I'm never going to use > small-small on a triple so I don't care if the chain is slack when I put it > in that combination, or not enough chain length on big-big. > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Tim Gavin com> wrote: > >> Drew- >> >> To be clear; you will need to lengthen the chain and possibly the cables >> when you install the larger cassette. Big cog to big chainring, plus two >> links. >> >> Benz is trying to say that you can do those things without the Roadlink, >> and that installing the Roadlink shouldn't change those things. He's >> saying that you could ride it with the large cassette and without the >> Roadlink if you lock out the largest cog or two. >> >> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 11:44 AM, drew wrote: >> >>> ah, i didnt realize it wouldn't need chain and cable lengthening. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > -- > signature goes here > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?
My main 'real world road bike' is my Sam Hillborne. I have a stipped down racing bike that resembles a Roadini, a Black Mountain Road bike. If your application requires a stripped down racing bike, the Roadini is more like that. Let's say hypothetically you built up a Roadini with a light build and had a 22 pound road bike, with 32 mm tires. If you moved that build kit over to a Hillborne, the only different thing you would need is a 135mm rear hub and cantilever brakes. That hypothetical Hillborne would be about 23 pounds, or about half a water bottle heavier. On that light Hillborne you'd could run 38mm Barlow Pass tires instead and be just as fast (or faster) and way more comfortable, and still could run fenders, which would take you up to 24 pounds. You could add a nice handlebar bag and dynamo lighting and now you have a full feature brevet bike. It's true that if you do an urban assault vehicle build on a Sam you might end up with a 32 pound bike which would 'overlap' a fair bit with an Appaloosa. A light Sam build could definitely give a Roadini a run for its money. A Roadini is a straightforward stripped down race bike. If you are sure you need/want a stripped down straightforward race bike (and nothing more, ever), it's a great choice. If you want a 'real world road bike' that excels at a wider swath of applications, there's very little compromise with a Sam to buy you that versatility. You could absolutely run the Sam as a loaded touring bike, or a cyclocross race bike, or a drop bar trail bike, or an upright commuter, or a stripped down road bike. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 4:09:49 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > > I figured I would ask on the off chance (or maybe not so off?) that > someone has ridden all three bikes and can describe their take on the > differences they detected. I know from design that the Roadini should be > faster than the Sam and the Sam faster than the Joe. I know from a touring > and rough stuff perspective it would be the Joe then the Sam then the > Roadini. > > That said, I am curious if anyone has had the chance to ride all three and > what impressed them regarding differences as well as similarities. > > My caveat, as I now say often, is I have no business asking! Still, I > would be curious... I have a Joe that I love but having the Joe built for > rough stuff and something else built for faster and smoother riding does > sound like a great thing. I am attracted to the Sam but fear there is just > too much overlap with the Joe I already have. > > Anyway, figured I would ask... Thanks in advance for any help or > descriptions. > > Bob L. > Galesburg, IL > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?
Thanks Ed. That helps a lot, as well as the comments from others. Question(s) - From a sizing standpoint, did you fit in the middle of the PBH recommendations for a particular size (of the Roadini) or were you on the outer edge of those recommendations (where you could have gone with either a smaller or larger frame)? If on the edge, which way did you choose? Also, if you were in the middle of the recommendations, does the bike fit you just as expected? Any surprises as to saddle/handlebar heights or reach? What size Joe vs Roadini? Big thanks for any help or info! Bob On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:11:03 PM UTC-6, Ed Carolipio wrote: > > I was in a similar situation: I have a Joe and was looking for "something > else" to complement it. I ended up getting a Roadini instead of the Sam > since I thought there was too much overlap between the Sam and the Joe. (To > be fair, I haven't ridden the Sam.) I peeked at the Roadeo but don't ride > often enough to justify the cost difference. As others have said, setup is > everything so I purpose built each for the job: Joe is an upright > tourer/townie (racks, fenders, dynamo lights) and Leo is a drop bar > meanderer. I live in the city so all my riding is asphalt, with road > quality and traffic being the biggest variables. > > As expected, efficiency is the most notable difference with the two (duh). > I say "efficiency" since as an old fart I don't go much faster on the > Roadini, but I can definitely go further and hills are much easier to > tackle. Both are fun to ride in their own Rivendell way, and the Roadini > "just for fun" is a nice change of pace from put-putting around on the Joe. > The ride position makes a difference to me as well as I prefer the Joe when > playing in traffic while I would rather ride the Roadini on dedicated paths > or on not-so-busy streets. > > Note that I did find the skinny tires (Paselas) on the Roadini a little > jarring, at least compared to the 50mm Marathons on the Joe, so I bit the > bullet and got Compass 32mm tire. That helped out a lot. I'm still messing > with other setup things on the Roadini, but I'm definitely happy with it as > an alternative to the Joe which I can just grab and ride. > > > --Ed C. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Big cassettes/Do I need a wolftooth roadlink or similar
Big-Big only if you have a double. On a triple, if you use your gears contentiously, you'd never ride big-big anyway. (This advice for RBWers and other experienced riders only, FWIW). I'm using combinations past the capacity of the my current derailer so the only real requirement in my mind is that only the gears I actually use will work. That is what I test and adjust for. I'm never going to use small-small on a triple so I don't care if the chain is slack when I put it in that combination, or not enough chain length on big-big. On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Tim Gavin wrote: > Drew- > > To be clear; you will need to lengthen the chain and possibly the cables > when you install the larger cassette. Big cog to big chainring, plus two > links. > > Benz is trying to say that you can do those things without the Roadlink, > and that installing the Roadlink shouldn't change those things. He's > saying that you could ride it with the large cassette and without the > Roadlink if you lock out the largest cog or two. > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 11:44 AM, drew wrote: > >> ah, i didnt realize it wouldn't need chain and cable lengthening. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- signature goes here -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?
I was in a similar situation: I have a Joe and was looking for "something else" to complement it. I ended up getting a Roadini instead of the Sam since I thought there was too much overlap between the Sam and the Joe. (To be fair, I haven't ridden the Sam.) I peeked at the Roadeo but don't ride often enough to justify the cost difference. As others have said, setup is everything so I purpose built each for the job: Joe is an upright tourer/townie (racks, fenders, dynamo lights) and Leo is a drop bar meanderer. I live in the city so all my riding is asphalt, with road quality and traffic being the biggest variables. As expected, efficiency is the most notable difference with the two (duh). I say "efficiency" since as an old fart I don't go much faster on the Roadini, but I can definitely go further and hills are much easier to tackle. Both are fun to ride in their own Rivendell way, and the Roadini "just for fun" is a nice change of pace from put-putting around on the Joe. The ride position makes a difference to me as well as I prefer the Joe when playing in traffic while I would rather ride the Roadini on dedicated paths or on not-so-busy streets. Note that I did find the skinny tires (Paselas) on the Roadini a little jarring, at least compared to the 50mm Marathons on the Joe, so I bit the bullet and got Compass 32mm tire. That helped out a lot. I'm still messing with other setup things on the Roadini, but I'm definitely happy with it as an alternative to the Joe which I can just grab and ride. --Ed C. On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 4:09:49 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > > I figured I would ask on the off chance (or maybe not so off?) that > someone has ridden all three bikes and can describe their take on the > differences they detected. I know from design that the Roadini should be > faster than the Sam and the Sam faster than the Joe. I know from a touring > and rough stuff perspective it would be the Joe then the Sam then the > Roadini. > > That said, I am curious if anyone has had the chance to ride all three and > what impressed them regarding differences as well as similarities. > > My caveat, as I now say often, is I have no business asking! Still, I > would be curious... I have a Joe that I love but having the Joe built for > rough stuff and something else built for faster and smoother riding does > sound like a great thing. I am attracted to the Sam but fear there is just > too much overlap with the Joe I already have. > > Anyway, figured I would ask... Thanks in advance for any help or > descriptions. > > Bob L. > Galesburg, IL > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
Anxiously awaiting any announcement. Finger exercises and stretching for quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited replacement for my dearly departed Quickbeam. On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote: > > The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] My low-trail Atlantis is coming up for sale...
Hello all and Happy Holidays! As part of my ongoing journey with life and cycling and other stuff, the next step in downsizing has arrived. The short story is that I'm going to put my custom fork low-trail 61cm Atlantis (custom painted) for sale. I know the odds of selling it complete are very low, but nevertheless, if anyone is interested in making any offers, please e-mail me privately. Most likely, it will be disassembled to sell as frame + fork + headset + any additional parts the buyer wants, since most people in this list have tons of parts and want to build the bike to their specs. Still, there may be someone who says "I was just looking for something like this for my and this was meant to come my way"... :-) Photos of the complete bike are here: http://alturl.com/apw7q I've made some minor changes since these photos were taken and will upload the most recent photos with the Chocomoose bars and a Brooks saddle. Here are the details of the complete build: - 61 cm custom painted (original color + downtube panel & decal with low trail fork (I'll include the original fork as well, although the paint looks different) - 700c 36 spoked polished Atlas rims with rear White Industries MI-5 hub and front Sondelux Widebody Dynamo hub with 700x38 Compass Barlow Pass tires. - 10 speed drivetrain with the René Herse triple crankset, 24/38/46 and 11/36 cassette, and Shimano 10 sp XT chain - Campagnolo FD - Shimano XT long cage RD - Shimano 10 speed downtube shifters - Smooth Honjo fenders - King bottle cages - Nitto S83 seatpost (not the lugged seatpost shown on some of the photos) - Brooks Cambium C17 saddle - Choco Moose handlebar - Shimano brake levers (not the Paul's shown on the images) - F/R Paul polished Touring Cantilever brakes - Front Nitto Campee 27F low rider pannier rack - Rear Nitto Campee 27F pannier rack - Edelux 2 polished front light The main reason for my decision is that after I got my Steve Rex Custom, this bike truly fits me wonderfully and has exceeded all my expectations in terms of fit, comfort, feeling one with the bike, etc. There is a ton of overlap between my custom and my Atlantis, which actually was instrumental in helping me understand how I wanted my bike to fit me and feel when riding it. I've also been moving lately to downsize and reduce clutter, and having so many bikes (for me) is one of the areas that I strongly feel I need to address. I don't want to have a wonderful bike just hanging from a rack because I don't ride it but am too egotistical to let go so it can do for someone else what it did for me. And, I'd still have the Homer, the Cheviot, and the Hubbuhubbuh around to deal with. Plus my Bike Friday Lama to take when traveling and my carbon Santa Cruz Tallboy LT for MTB, which I haven't done in several years... so plenty of opportunity to keep what I need and let go what I don't need. Anyway, if anyone is interested in the whole bike or parts, please e-mail me privately. I'm in no rush, but want to actually take the next steps. Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Happy Kwanzaa, and again, Happy Holidays in case I'm missing any other!!! Rene -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.
Updated list and new deal. 5% off everything. 10% off total if you buy 2 things. 20% if you buy 3 -Clever Cycles Tire Levers/Chain quick link tool- really cool levers that link together to make a chain quick link remover. the company only sells these in sets of three, im offering one set here so you dont have to drop 45$- 15$ shipped -HT albastache bars/ 8cm nitto dirt drop stem/ TRP RRL brake levers/ Shimano ultegra bar end shifters- all around very very good condition. newbaums wrapped and shellacked with gray jagwire housing. small cut in one of the hoods. 220$ shipped. -Brooks honey B17- i engraved my name in the back and then sanded it off. see photos. otherwise very good condition. 65$ shipped -WTB 29x2.1 Nano tires- maybe 50 miles on them, essentially new- 50$ shipped -B+M Eyc t senso plus dynamo light- a few months old. no front weird reflector thing- 45$ shipped -Zefal XPX3 frame pump- black. some scuffs here and there -20$ shipped -tektro cr720 cantilever brakes for one wheel-15$ shipped -Vintage Shimano BR MC70 cantilever brakes for 1 wheel- good condition. these are good for conversions on older canti frames- 15$ shipped -700c x 28-32mm tube. free with purchase over 20$ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Big cassettes/Do I need a wolftooth roadlink or similar
Drew- To be clear; you will need to lengthen the chain and possibly the cables when you install the larger cassette. Big cog to big chainring, plus two links. Benz is trying to say that you can do those things without the Roadlink, and that installing the Roadlink shouldn't change those things. He's saying that you could ride it with the large cassette and without the Roadlink if you lock out the largest cog or two. On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 11:44 AM, drew wrote: > ah, i didnt realize it wouldn't need chain and cable lengthening. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Big cassettes/Do I need a wolftooth roadlink or similar
ah, i didnt realize it wouldn't need chain and cable lengthening. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT - Nitto Dirt Drop 10cm stem (26.0) new in package for 8cm
> > Same specs as the one sold from Riv (i.e. quill length)? Is it in good > shape? Send me a pic. > Thanks, Sean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?
> > Revisiting this thread with a slight deviation but still 3 speed related >> and hoping those of you with more Sturmey Archer 3 speeding experience may >> help clarify: >> >> Are vintage SA rear hubs axles compatible with modern 10mm horizontals by >> simply replacing with appropriately sized new anti-rotation washers? >> >> >> >> I realize this question ignores over lock nut and frame spacing… I have >> considered this as well but before pursuing any further I wanted to at >> least confirm the issue with the old narrower flatted axle vs modern 10mm >> is a non-issue if the correct washers will take care of it? I have an >> old 114 spaced AW hub (still built into the original steel wheel) and >> recently considered whether or not I could rebuild into a 700c alloy rim to >> fit 120mm spaced frame(s)? >> >> >> >> Doing so would provide a 3 speed wheel that could fit both my Milwaukee >> single speed & old Raleigh frame that I THOUGHT would take the stock >> 590/650A/26x1-3/8 wheel but instead fits 700c with x-long reach brakes and >> already has 10mm rear horizontals. >> >> >> >> If this works it’ll not only bring 3 speeding back into my life but help >> push some other conversion ideas out of my mind and only require rebuilding >> one wheel. If using a Velocity dyad rim it would also provide a >> matching rear to an otherwise unmatched spare 700c dyad front wheel I >> already have. >> > Thanks, Brian Cole Lawrenceville NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT - Thompson seatpost
On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 9:54:53 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote: > > I've got a nice silver Thomson Elite setback seatpost and I'd prefer a > zero setback post... Silver or black, doesn't have to be extra long though > my current position is uncut and quite long. > > I can pull it to measure it provide photos if requested. I'm looking for > a straight trade, both parties cover their own shipping. > > Tony > 27.2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Question about the 'downtube shifter stop washers'
Great, thanks for that Bill. I understand that typically they come with the baggie - I found overseas some shifters for a good price $15-16USD bit without the base washers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
Frankly, Jay, Ones enough. Okay, I'm (d)one. On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 8:15:44 AM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > Not completely random. It has a hidden message: Frank J(ones). Frank J. > Ones. One's enough. One speed. Okay, maybe a stretch. I should go do some > bike maintenance. > > On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: >> >> I love that the Blue Lug people were like, "Yeah, we'll take the random >> American name, let's go with that." > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post
Not completely random. It has a hidden message: Frank J(ones). Frank J. Ones. One's enough. One speed. Okay, maybe a stretch. I should go do some bike maintenance. On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I love that the Blue Lug people were like, "Yeah, we'll take the random > American name, let's go with that." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Question about the 'downtube shifter stop washers'
No. Silver downtube stop washers are not compatible with Shimano downtube shifters. Your photo, of a set of Shimano downtube shifters, has a little baggie of hardware on the left. The curve profile base washers in that baggie serve the function of stop-washers on Shimano downtube shifters. That stop-function happens out in the open on Campy-clone downtube shifters, which friction Suntours and Silvers are. That stop function happens on the inside with indexed Shimano and Shimano-clone shifters. If you 'stock up' on Shimano downtube shifters, they should come with that baggie of hardware, so you're done. If you somehow get your hands on the shifter part in the right of the photo, but are missing the hardware baggie on the left, then you'll need to buy some Shimano base washer bits and some appropriate screws to mount the shiftlevers onto the downtube shifter bosses. The base washers come in a curved variant, to match the curvature of a steel downtube, and they come in a flat variant, to use in barcon applications as well as on some downtube shifter bosses where the downtube is oversized or otherwise irregular in shape Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:42:23 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote: > > Would they work with the Shimano R400 shifters? > > These: > https://www.rivbike.com/collections/shifting/products/silver-shifter-downtube-stop-washer-pair > > With these: [image: Image result for r400 sora] > > I am looking at stocking up on a few bits. I recently bought 4 Tiagra R440 > front derailleurs because the price was right (12.44) and 28.6 front > derailleurs are hard to find. I want to pick up some silver bits to have on > hand for the next X years. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Question about the 'downtube shifter stop washers'
Would they work with the Shimano R400 shifters? These: https://www.rivbike.com/collections/shifting/products/silver-shifter-downtube-stop-washer-pair With these: [image: Image result for r400 sora] I am looking at stocking up on a few bits. I recently bought 4 Tiagra R440 front derailleurs because the price was right (12.44) and 28.6 front derailleurs are hard to find. I want to pick up some silver bits to have on hand for the next X years. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT - Thompson seatpost
Julian - Great question. I was thinking about that on my ride in realizing I hadn't given enough info. It's for my Saluki, and the setback one I own is currently installed on that bike so I'll caliper it when I get home to double check. A quick look at Riv's site didn't turn up the seatpost size for a Saluki/AHH but I'm sure someone on the list had the info in their memory bank. I'll update tonight. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT - Thompson seatpost
Tony, what size seat post do you have/want? 26.8? 27.2? 27.4? or? Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 8:54:53 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote: > > I've got a nice silver Thomson Elite setback seatpost and I'd prefer a > zero setback post... Silver or black, doesn't have to be extra long though > my current position is uncut and quite long. > > I can pull it to measure it provide photos if requested. I'm looking for > a straight trade, both parties cover their own shipping. > > Tony > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Big cassettes/Do I need a wolftooth roadlink or similar
On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:13:38 AM UTC+8, drew wrote: > > Interesting all around. I'm trying to save myself having to set it up and > then order a roadlink, wait for delivery and re set up. I'm just excited to > ride this bike and not wanting to wait. > Anyway, I just ordered the wolftooth since it sounds like in the least, it > won't hurt. Maybe I'm missing something. The additional setup time/effort to add a Roadlink is minimal, since the chain wrap, derailleur adjustment, and derailleur cable loop length will not change. So you only need to use the "lo" limit screw to prevent overshifting into the larger cogs, and even that is optional if you're careful (not a catastrophic failure mode). So no need to wait unless you are counting on that last few low gears to get you over a climb. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.