Re: [RBW] WTB: Paul Racer, front, silver

[mikel66...@juno.com]

the mounting bolts are easily removable so you can use any length bolt to get 
the correct front/rear length..unless you have braze on Racers

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times!

[Karl]

Bought a Rivendell from Craigslist there a few years back and Landis did a 
great job (seller dropped and paid the shop). You got a great deal Joe! I 
cannot wait to see pictures and buy it from you when you are tired of 
it ;)

Karl 
Nashville, TN

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>
> I'm interested and PMed Kevin. Can anyone recommend bike shops in the area 
> that work with Bike Flights for packing and pick up?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA.  
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[RBW] Looking For Love (In the form of an Atlantis Frame or Quickbeam Frame) In All The Wrong Places

[Karl]

My stable purge is complete and looking for a bike to send for S&S 
Couplers and repaint. Anyone have a 58cm Atlantis or Quickbeam frame that 
needs love and a new paint job? Looking for one well worn as couplers and a 
paint job will set me back a bit! Thanks all!

Karl
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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud GB25 bag

[Lum Gim Fong]

Sold!

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[RBW] Re: FS Berthoud 700x40 stainless fenders w/extras

[David Wadstrup]

The fenders have sold.  Thank you, everyone.



On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 4:05:32 PM UTC-4, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
>
> I purchased these fenders a couple of months ago along with some assorted 
> and necessary accessories. Specifically, the Berthoud rear caliper mount 
> required to attach the rear fender to the bike’s rear brake bridge, 4 
> leather washers from Walnut Studios, and Portland Design Works’ Safety Tabs 
> which allows the front fender to “break away” should something get jammed 
> between the fender and tire. 
>
>
> I discovered immediately upon installing the front fender that these would 
> not work with my bike. The tires are too big to fit(I’m pushing the limits 
> of my Ram’s tire capacity even w/o the fenders.). I immediately removed the 
> fender, packaged everything back up, and am now offering it all up for 
> sale.  They were never ridden and the rear fender was never even installed. 
>
>
> One very important note: 
>
>
> A step in installing these fenders(I’ve installed 4 sets so far, each 
> mounted to Rivendells) requires trimming the daruma bolt. I did so 
> approximately 3/16”. This is the least I’ve ever had to trim from this 
> bolt, and have probably done you the favor of doing pre-trimming it. BUT 
> EVERY BIKE IS DIFFERENT. You might very well have to trim more from the 
> bolt. Or it could be perfect as is. Or, the bolt could have been trimmed 
> too much. I think this is HIGHLY unlikely, but there is a risk you should 
> be aware of. 
>
>
> Anyways, these are BEAUTIFUL fenders! My personal favorite. Properly 
> installed, they are quiet and solid. The leather washers help with this and 
> give them a very classic look. And the Safety Tabs are a bonus that work 
> similarly to SKS plastic fenders. 
>
>
> Let me know if you have any questions.  Asking $60 shipped CONUS. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times!

[Joe Bernard]

Hehe, we'll see, Karl. We haven't made a deal yet (and I'm struggling with 
popping dollars out for another bike)..I don't want folks to get the impression 
the guy's bike is sold already.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times!

[kevin spicher]

The bike is still for sale.

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 5:43:23 AM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
>
> Bought a Rivendell from Craigslist there a few years back and Landis did a 
> great job (seller dropped and paid the shop). You got a great deal Joe! I 
> cannot wait to see pictures and buy it from you when you are tired of 
> it ;)
>
> Karl 
> Nashville, TN
>
> On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I'm interested and PMed Kevin. Can anyone recommend bike shops in the 
>> area that work with Bike Flights for packing and pick up?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Bernard
>> Novato CA.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Film Processing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Following up on the recent discussion about film processing, I wonder if anyone 
has advice on mail-in processing labs. I’ve used TheDarkroom.com 
 several times, and they do a very good job processing 
and scanning my film. Usually takes 6-7 days from putting the film in the mail 
to getting the scans. No additional charge for black and white.

Anybody using a different lab that you would recommend?

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Paul Racer, front, silver

[Dan McNamara]

Hi Reid,

I have a front silver Paul Pacer with both nutted and recessed bolts. I don’t 
have a rear so it is probably a good time to make it part of a set. 

I’ll send a pic this evening via PM. 

Dan

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:11 PM, Reid Echols  wrote:
> 
> Got a great deal on one of these recently (rear), and looking for a front 
> brake to complete the set! I’d be open to a pair at the right price, of 
> course.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for floor pumps?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Go-to pump is a Zefal HP Husky, but I also have a classic Silca. I would still 
be using the Silca that I bought back in the 1980s if it hadn’t been 
accidentally left by the side of the road at a race out in the country a couple 
of years ago.

Silcas have the advantage of being reparable. You can buy the leather plunger 
if it wears out (or just take it out and put a little grease on it in most 
cases), and the hose/chuck assembly is easily available. Take care of a 
Silca—and don’t lose it—and it will last forever.

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> On Sep 30, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
> 
> I’ve had a good run with the basic specialized model I bought at my local 
> bike store. $35, easy with shrader or presta, nothing fancy, great volume 
> compared to my Lezyne with that super fiddle head that some people can use 
> with no problems. Not me! I was always unscrewing codes and whatnot. 
> 
> Liking dual head easy pumps with no screwing involved,
> 
> Edwin 
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Re: [RBW] Re: cliffhanger rims and canti brakes

[Jason Ridgeway]

Thanks for the replies, everyone!

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM Ed Fausto  wrote:

> I have also installed cliffhanger wheelset on my 48 Hunqapillar and using
> CX70 brakes.
> Edgar
>
> PS Installed also SKS P65 fenders.
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 2:07 AM, Kalmia Vt 
> wrote:
>
>> As it happens I built my Appaloosa this year with Cliffhanger rims and
>> CX-50 canti brakes. Everything works fine. For what it's worth, Velo Orange
>> 700 x 63 fenders give ample clearance over Riddler 45 tires, and I had no
>> problem setting up the brakes to clear the fenders.   -   K
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 2:00:33 AM UTC-4, dirtp wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone, I'm building a Joe Appaloosa and I'm thinking about buying
>>> some Cliffhanger rims for it, but I've heard that some people have had
>>> problems with wide rims and cantis. I've seen several Joes on-line with
>>> Cliffhangers and V-brakes, though. Does anyone have any experience with
>>> Cliffhangers and cantis?
>>>
>>> Thanks very much!
>>>
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[RBW] Help with fenders

[nemomom123]

I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in 
Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video 
regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some 
questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .

1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that require 
a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean drill 
hole result? 
2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable 
tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room 
to cut shorter - and really am 
new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the 
cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the 
brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore 
it apart again.
3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find 
any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be 
appreciated.

Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D

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[RBW] Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[LeRoy]

I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put 
about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my 
Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the 
brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's 
something that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented 
bikes they own. So I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride. 
Thus it was with a bit of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call 
out, *"Hey, nice Riv!"* as he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty 
chuffed, in a private sort of way, that a stranger recognized the bike and 
called it out. Did I need the "validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must 
say that it was nice to hear. When was your first such experience?

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[RBW] Re: New Rosco Cargo Mixte

[LeRoy]

Please don't be offended, but I'm going to have a hard time un-seeing that.

LeRoy, without malice


On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 5:35:01 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> Just finished converting my rosco mtn mixte with a crust cargo fork. I 
> think it came out perfectly weird. Shakedown ride says it rides 
> surprisingly normal, though I need to cut the steerer down some more. 
> Eventually it’ll get a big basket on the front and a kid seat on the back. 

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[RBW] Re: Ahearne+Map Comfort... Also, WTB

[cam starnes]

Always something else, indeed, Tom. Have 46c Noodles perched on a Dirt Drop on 
the Sam currently. It feels great, so my question is more related to the 
“something else” nature of the Ahearne+Map bar, which is one I’ve never tried 
and have long been curious about. Have ridden Alba, Bosco, Moustache, 
Albastache, numerous road drops, riser bar, track drops, flipped/chopped track 
drops... alll had their strengths and weaknesses, of course. With the ‘stache 
bars I just could never get used to leaning forward to brake - always felt 
backwards to me. Really like Albatross bars, generally, because of the range of 
hand positions and the range of body positioning that goes with them. All told, 
I’d probably swap cockpits monthly if it weren’t such a pain, just for the sake 
of variety. Much of my riding is commuting and/or rides of 20 miles or less, I 
would just hate to commit the expense and work of even trying Ahearne bars just 
to scratch an itch if feedback is that those are strictly short-distance bars. 
Because occasionally I like to ride a bit further. Don’t fix what ain’t broken, 
you might say. Ah, but “broken” is a relative term sometimes. 

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[RBW] FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[nemomom123]

*FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST *- Hi, Sorry this may be a 
duplicate posting but I'm learning about this process and I hope to get 
better with this group - I just used the parts from this frame set to build 
myself a new Joe Appaloosa which I'm pretty much in love with. Will have 
more questions on that a little later. But I'm selling this Frameset for 
$600 + $80 for shipping. I think I've successfully posted this on my google 
account so here's the link with some pics. Oh and yes, I would consider a 
partial trade for a front rack and a large basket if anyone is interested 
in that type of exchange.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zJg4H9teqRprB3s9A

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[RBW] Re: Recommend 700 x 28c tire, please.

[Mohammad Sahrapour]

I have a set of Clement Strada lgg tires that I've ridden for about 1500 miles. 
Zero flats, fast riding (I'm not a super fast rider but  I never felt the tires 
were slowing me down at all). They show a tiny bit of wear, but certainly have 
a lot of tread to go. Overall, I'd definitely recommend them. 

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[RBW] Re: New Rosco Cargo Mixte

[Joe Bernard]

Just think of it as the Picasso of bikes, LeRoy 😂

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times!

[kevin spicher]

I don't remember the frame size, but using my phone and a tape measure I 
came up with the following measurements...
STA -17
HTA -16
SOH 30 1/2"
TTL 20"

As I mentioned earlier in the first post, my wife is 5' 7" 32" inseam. 

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 7:07:47 AM UTC-7, kevin spicher wrote:
>
> The bike is still for sale.
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 5:43:23 AM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
>>
>> Bought a Rivendell from Craigslist there a few years back and Landis did 
>> a great job (seller dropped and paid the shop). You got a great deal Joe! I 
>> cannot wait to see pictures and buy it from you when you are tired of 
>> it ;)
>>
>> Karl 
>> Nashville, TN
>>
>> On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm interested and PMed Kevin. Can anyone recommend bike shops in the 
>>> area that work with Bike Flights for packing and pick up?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Novato CA.  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times!

[kevin spicher]

21 1/2" TTL from center of head tube to center of seat tube.

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-7, kevin spicher wrote:
>
> Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times. Bought in 1997 (I think, 
> could have been 1998)
>
> This is my wifes bike, she is 5'7" 32" inseam.
>
> I'm selling it for her because she is not interested in riding it and she 
> would like to sell it.
>
>
> Will ship if buyer pays shipping, and details how and where bike is to be 
> shipped from (specific bike shop etc.)
>
> Bike is located in Phoenix AZ
>
> $1500.00 or best offer.
>

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[RBW] FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[DarinM]

Frame and wheel size? 

Darin

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[RBW] FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[Joe Bernard]

The pics say 48cm so it's going to be 650B. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Light Blue Appaloosa Frame

[Reid Echols]

Great price for a great frame! Just decided to keep mine, same color same 
size. Someone should snap this up. 

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 10:22:09 AM UTC-5, Ryan Olson wrote:
>
> Up for sale is my used 62cm Light Blue, original run Appaloosa.  The color 
> is my favorite of all Rivendells.  A superb bike in all respects.  It was 
> just too big for me.  I got a 58cm.  There are a few small scratches 
> (beausage?) on the frame - mostly in hidden spots.  There is some shellac 
> drippage on the fork.  Never crashed, in great functional shape.  $850 plus 
> shipping.  Less than a CLEM frame!  Includes bottom bracket, headset and 
> seatpost.   Feel free to email me with questions.  I have more photos I can 
> provide if interested.
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Paul Racer, front, silver

[Reid Echols]

Thanks Dan! (and Mike for the info!) 

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 10:13:20 AM UTC-5, danmc wrote:
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> Hi Reid, 
>
> I have a front silver Paul Pacer with both nutted and recessed bolts. I 
> don’t have a rear so it is probably a good time to make it part of a set. 
>
> I’ll send a pic this evening via PM. 
>
> Dan 
>
> > On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:11 PM, Reid Echols  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Got a great deal on one of these recently (rear), and looking for a 
> front brake to complete the set! I’d be open to a pair at the right price, 
> of course. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for floor pumps?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I was thinking about the new Pista since it is back on the market. But I dont 
want to pay more than 60 for a floor pump. The SKS sounds good so far.

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Re: [RBW] FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[Denise Granger]

650b wheel size and 48cm frameset 

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> Frame and wheel size? 
> 
> Darin
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[RBW] Re: Film Processing

[Philip Williamson]

I used to use The Darkroom when their physical location was right by my 
work. I generally drop my film off at Jeremiah's Photo Corner, and they 
send it out to a place in SF. It's fun to chat with a human about photo 
stuff, and Jeremiah is also a bike nerd. 

I recently bought the chemicals, and started developing film again, and I'm 
figuring out how to scan negatives in a reasonable way.  

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 


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>
> Following up on the recent discussion about film processing, I wonder if 
> anyone has advice on mail-in processing labs. I’ve used TheDarkroom.com 
> several 
> times, and they do a very good job processing and scanning my film. Usually 
> takes 6-7 days from putting the film in the mail to getting the scans. No 
> additional charge for black and white.
>
> Anybody using a different lab that you would recommend?
>
> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for floor pumps?

[Joe Bernard]

I can recommend the Joe Blow Sport, too. Mine has worked great for the last 
3-or-so years I've owned it, but now I need something with an extender hose. 

Btw, the more expensive Joe Blow with the fancy head was a headache. It never 
worked right and I eventually tossed it. 

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[RBW] WTB: Paul Minimotos

[phil k]

Looking to buy a pair of minimotos. Doesn't matter which color.

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[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi D,
Honjo fenders are terrific, but installation can be challenging. Get the 
fenderline set before fixing the 

For tools and drilling in aluminum, here's Ocean Air 
Cycles: http://oceanaircycles.com/2014/01/26/holes-in-metal-fenders/

Jitensha and Velo Orange have decent instructions, if you have some 
familiarity with fender installation. 
https://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html
https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2009/03/fender-mounting-instructions.html

There's also BQ's fender installation instructions, which you'd need to 
purchase from BQ.

For Q2, do you mean [straddle] cable hanger rubs on the fender? On my 48-cm 
Hunqapillar, there was little room between the rear brake cable hanger and 
fender. The straddle cable hanger was set almost to touch the fender in 
order to have any room for brake actuation. If you have room, then you can 
raise the straddle hanger. The brake feel+performance might change, but 
it's the rear wheel, so probably doesn't matter that much. (YMMV!)

For Q3, Paul touring canti brakes and Paul Neo-retros would work fine with 
fenders.

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA




On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
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> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in 
> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video 
> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some 
> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that 
> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean 
> drill hole result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable 
> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room 
> to cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the 
> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the 
> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore 
> it apart again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find 
> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
>

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[RBW] FS: Clem H 52c, Acorn Saddlebag, Swift Panniers

[cam starnes]

Rivendell Clem Smith, Jr. frame - 52cm, dark green, previously built and 
ridden, but in really good shape $600

Acorn large saddlebag, tan waxed canvas, includes Acorn leather standoff, 
excellent used condition $120

Swift Industries Mini Short-Stack panniers, tan waxed canvas, Arkel 
cam-lock hardware, very good used condition $250/pair

58c Bosco bars with Portugese cork grips, Tektro levers, and Suntour 
shifters, navy Newbaum's tape, 110c Tallux stem $110 

Photos: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Dy8HoNbRmXKdv8go7Sfb2a1stySPQIA4

Shipping not included

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for floor pumps?

[BSWP]

SKS Renkompressor, bought from RBW many years ago, now on its second head. 
Which lever sometimes slips off its axis pin... seeing the comments on the 
Kurahawa Hirame, I see I need to spend $65 immediately!

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 7:01:06 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Please recommend a good floor pump.
>
> Must:
> 1. Be easy on/off. I do not want to have to rip the head off each time 
> after inflating to get it off the stem.
> 2. Seal well. I do not want to have to pump faster and faster to beat the 
> escaping air to the psi number want.
> 3. Be less than $65 US
>
> Thanks for your recommendations.
>

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[RBW] Re: Film Processing

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I run a lab in NYC:

LTI-Lightside (www.lti-lightside.com)

We run a lot of C-41 and B+W film, daily -- we no longer handle E-6, 
though. I've looked through the Darkroom.com site and give them a thumbs up 
for going after the mail-in market. I think the Riv guys use them and I'm 
guessing they do a good job -- and their prices are good, too. I'm not 
normally in the habit of praising my competitors (but we're really not in 
the same market) -- and I haven't used their services so can't actually say 
one way or the other but my industry savvy hunch is that they're probably a 
safe-bet and unless you're seeing results that you don't like and can 
attribute it to them. Again, I'd guess that they're probably one of the 
better film processing options out there at this time.

That said -- being a long time reader of this list (and film shooting bike 
nerd)) and knowing that many of you are into photography it's always nagged 
at the back of my mind that I wish I could offer you all services somehow. 
I'd be happy to create discount codes for RGB Owners Bunch readers any time 
(though we don't have those fancy pre-paid mailers like the darkroom.com). 
Please feel free to take a look through our site and notice that all our 
prices are published online, we offer multiple upload to print options and 
have a near ten year deep project archive link detailing our customers work 
in both fine-art and commercial & advertising categories ...

We also have an instagram account (@lti-lightside) and count none other 
than UltraRomance himself as our sole "influencer" ... ha.

Feel free to reach out to me personally if you're interested in anything -- 
and like I said, I'd be happy to offer up some discounts for like-minded 
bikers

jsk




My groups  

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:04:18 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Following up on the recent discussion about film processing, I wonder if 
> anyone has advice on mail-in processing labs. I’ve used TheDarkroom.com 
> several 
> times, and they do a very good job processing and scanning my film. Usually 
> takes 6-7 days from putting the film in the mail to getting the scans. No 
> additional charge for black and white.
>
> Anybody using a different lab that you would recommend?
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Pondero]

It is encouraging to hear a call like that.  There is a difference between 
folks who see the bike as simply "nice", and those who seem to understand, 
appreciate, and value the same things we do.  I think it is more than 
validation.  I think it is "connection".

Hey, nice Riv, LeRoy!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for floor pumps?

[Joe Bernard]

Sorry, my comments about 'extender hose' don't make sense, I don't know how I 
got stuck on that term. I need a narrow chuck to fit inbetween the spokes on 
those itty bitty Brompton wheels. 

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Paul Richardson]

sightings are rare here in baltimore, too--my first recognition was a bit 
less formal, but definitely smile-inducing:  i, atop my 67cm homer, 
approached a cross-country-ready atlantis and gave two friendly rings of my 
brass bell.  he struck his dinger, and we two strangers made melodious bell 
music.

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[BSWP]

I ride in Berkeley and all of the East Bay... it's not uncommon to get 
chuffed several times each day. And as well, to hand out chuffs to fellow 
Riv riders I see. We are part of a not-so-secret not-so-subterranean 
society, that recognizes and embraces, through use, ownership, and 
promotion, the reverence of good things that work simply, and that simply 
work.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:18:57 AM UTC-7, LeRoy wrote:
>
> I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put 
> about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my 
> Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the 
> brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's 
> something that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented 
> bikes they own. So I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride. 
> Thus it was with a bit of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call 
> out, *"Hey, nice Riv!"* as he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty 
> chuffed, in a private sort of way, that a stranger recognized the bike and 
> called it out. Did I need the "validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must 
> say that it was nice to hear. When was your first such experience?
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[RBW] Fil Processing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jeffrey:

What would you charge to process and scan (no prints) a roll or color (c-41) or 
BW film? Would it be $8 + $13 (for “prints or CD”)? Can you upload the scans, 
or do you just put them on CD?

Thanks in advance!

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[lconley]

>
> I have never seen another Rivendell in the wild. The only Rivendells that 
>> I have seen are the ones I own and the ones at World Headquarters.
>>
>
Laing
Cocoa, FL 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for floor pumps?

[Jim Bronson]

I have one of those basic Specialized models too, cost about $35 and I've
had it for 14-15 years, still works fine.  It's better at Presta than
Schrader, but that doesn't really bother me because my fleet is all
Presta.  Only thing that's Shrader is the jogging stroller, but I don't jog
anyway, so no problem.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 8:46 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> I’ve had a good run with the basic specialized model I bought at my local
> bike store. $35, easy with shrader or presta, nothing fancy, great volume
> compared to my Lezyne with that super fiddle head that some people can use
> with no problems. Not me! I was always unscrewing codes and whatnot.
>
> Liking dual head easy pumps with no screwing involved,
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[Erik Wright]

Is the attached geo chart correct for the 2011 Hillbornes? I'm strongly 
considering this for my partner who's 5'3".

Thanks!
Erik in Philly

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>
> 650b wheel size and 48cm frameset 
>
> > On Oct 1, 2018, at 8:48 AM, DarinM > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Frame and wheel size? 
> > 
> > Darin 
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[RBW] Re: Fil Processing

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric:

$8.00 per roll to process  plus $12.00 for full roll scans. We send scans 
via WeTransfer link.
Shipping is on you but we'll hold negatives for a bulk return every month 
or two so you dopn't have to pay back and forth every time you send 
something in.
-20% discount for RBW list members (DM me to confirm)

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 2:03:54 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Jeffrey:
>
> What would you charge to process and scan (no prints) a roll or color 
> (c-41) or BW film? Would it be $8 + $13 (for “prints or CD”)? Can you 
> upload the scans, or do you just put them on CD?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
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Re: [RBW] FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[Joe Bernard]

I think that's correct and the frame should work with sweptback bars for a 
5'-3" person.. certainly Boscos. 

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Re: [RBW] FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[Jonathan D.]

I have one for my wife who is 5’2” with Albatross.  Works fine. She loves it. 

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Bob B]

My favorite time was when I was riding my Hunq home from work in Brooklyn 
and a guy pulled up next to me at a stop light riding a custom Johnny 
Coast, the first Coast I had seen in the wild!

My favorite time I saw another Riv while I wasn't riding one was when I was 
driving out of Zion National Park enjoying the spectacular scenery, when 
all of the sudden there's a guy riding down the road with a Sam Hillborne 
touring rig. I could tell what it was instantly as soon as I saw the seat 
stays from the rear. Had to yell "NICE BIKE MAN!!"

Bob B
Brooklyn, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fil Processing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks!

I’ll send you a roll soon.

--Eric Norris
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> On Oct 1, 2018, at 12:16 PM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Eric:
> 
> $8.00 per roll to process  plus $12.00 for full roll scans. We send scans via 
> WeTransfer link.
> Shipping is on you but we'll hold negatives for a bulk return every month or 
> two so you dopn't have to pay back and forth every time you send something in.
> -20% discount for RBW list members (DM me to confirm)
> 
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 2:03:54 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
> Jeffrey:
> 
> What would you charge to process and scan (no prints) a roll or color (c-41) 
> or BW film? Would it be $8 + $13 (for “prints or CD”)? Can you upload the 
> scans, or do you just put them on CD?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fil Processing

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Awesome -- just shoot me a DM when you're ready / jsk


On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 3:52:19 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
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> Thanks!
>
> I’ll send you a roll soon.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Oct 1, 2018, at 12:16 PM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Eric:
>
> $8.00 per roll to process  plus $12.00 for full roll scans. We send scans 
> via WeTransfer link.
> Shipping is on you but we'll hold negatives for a bulk return every month 
> or two so you dopn't have to pay back and forth every time you send 
> something in.
> -20% discount for RBW list members (DM me to confirm)
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 2:03:54 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Jeffrey:
>>
>> What would you charge to process and scan (no prints) a roll or color 
>> (c-41) or BW film? Would it be $8 + $13 (for “prints or CD”)? Can you 
>> upload the scans, or do you just put them on CD?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>
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[RBW] Kid Clemmin' & The Morally Indignant Motorist

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Yesterday I had a pleasant day with the family, with the exception of 
having the pleasure of being heckled/scolded/yelled at for the first time 
in years while riding a bicycle in public... while riding with our 14month 
old son... because I was riding with my 14month old son.

We decided to take our son apple picking at a nearby orchard only 2 miles 
away.  The majority of the route cuts through a network of parks and 
multiuse trails in preserved farmland/meadows but does require some 
pavement (along two different 2 lane roads.)  Naturally, being cyclists and 
having bikes and gear suitable for carrying a few extra pounds of flesh and 
produce we decided to keep the car parked for the day and take the scenic 
route and make an afternoon of it considering the close proximity, familiar 
route, and favorable weather.

The off pavement portion is on multiuse paths to which we directly connect 
through a park at the back of our neighborhood.  Part of the trail runs 
parallel to one of the paved roads we'll need to double-back on to ride 
for 1000 to 2000ft before turning onto the intersecting road on 
which the orchard is located a mile further down.

En route to the farm, during that first 1000-2000ft straight paved section, 
is where we encountered the indignant motorist.  The road is an old 2-lane 
farm road and admittedly not ideal for cycling with an insufficient 
shoulder and drainage ditches on either side, but not very heavily 
trafficked.  We entered the road with a right hand turn at the 
nearest crossing, my son and I out front with my wife trailing a couple 
hundred feet or so behind.  As we were nearing the left turn I glance back 
and see a vehicle approaching from a slight distance back behind my 
wife but with lots of space still between us (and the vehicle) and the 
intersection almost upon us I deliberately signal our turn and begin to 
take the lane for the final 50yds or so.  As we complete our turn and begin 
to head into the last mile on the even less trafficked 2 lane 
residential/rural road the driver proceeds to yell "...something something 
something... with an f#$%!ng child you f#$%!ng a-hole!" just as he floors 
the gas to accelerate and regain his desired mph.

There was nothing confrontational about the situation otherwise... we were 
never even close enough to make eye contact, the driver never attempted to 
pass aggressively or do anything to otherwise put us in harms way, nor did 
I make any abrupt or sudden movements, etc.  This was the first vehicle to 
encounter us heading in the same direction for the entire short stretch and 
I made what I felt was the safest and most reasonable decision after 
surveying our surroundings by taking the lane and swiftly turning off the 
busier of the two roads while we had the space and timing to safely do so.

Our child's safety is something we certainly do not take lightly.  I could 
sympathize with concern over the general element of risk of cycling on 
today's roads, and yes, this same risk clearly extends to my child 
passenger but apparently this person was so deeply offended enough by our 
actions of simply cycling with a toddler that they felt the need to erupt 
into an outburst of anger as they sped past... the irony of which is that 
in their final moment within our limited interaction they did nothing more 
than demonstrate the exact kind of driving behavior that puts all 
cyclists/pedestrians/motorists at risk (distracted/aggressive/etc.) and 
would jeopardize the safety of the child they seemed so concerned about in 
the first place.

It could be that I'm a little overly sensitive still being a new parent, 
and new to family cycling, and maybe the amount of time that's lapsed 
between prior conflicts with motorists has re-sensitized me to an extent 
(several years ago I'd expect nothing less from most drivers, just sans the 
"child" part) but I've had this brief moment nagging me a bit this morning 
and curious to know what others have experienced in terms of cycling with 
kids and overly opinionated motorists, etc.?

I recall reading of others who bike often with children, or incorporate it 
much more into daily life... sometimes dropping off and picking up kids at 
school, etc.  Many of our local roads are less than desirable (same reasons 
noted above: insufficient shoulders, mostly) and many I've already ruled 
out for riding with our son and until this weekend all rides have been 
contained almost exclusively to our local park/trail system and rides into 
our small downtown (1 mile down from our development on low traffic 
residential roads.)

I'm genuinely curious, how does everyone else evaluate their child/no child 
routes?  Have you been similarly lectured by non-cyclists and has it been a 
recurring theme?  I already have several non-cyclists in my family 
who've previously considered me crazy for cycling on roads with motorized 
vehicles long before our son arrived.  I'm very conscientious about 
exposing him to un

[RBW] Re: Kid Clemmin' & The Morally Indignant Motorist

[Kevin Mulcahy]

My 4.5 year old son rides on the back of our cargo bike to/from daycare, 
about 4 miles each way. Madison is a great place to ride a bike, and we 
have a really nice route along some scenic and low-traffic streets. Last 
week, a motorist caught up to us about a block after we rolled through an 
unoccupied 4 way stop at the end of a little hill. We always roll through 
this intersection; everyone does. Well, so this guy pulls up next to us and 
and just screams, "YOU'RE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE FOR YOUR KID!" and then 
speeds off. 

Yeah, so afterwards me and my son had a pretty good conversation about how 
to appropriately display your emotions. As a four year old, that's a lesson 
he's heard before, but I think it was nice (in a way) for him to see how 
ugly it can be. My son also drew a connection with a book he was reading 
about Star Wars and how Yoda teaches about how fear and anger lead to the 
dark side. So... I think he got it. :)

That all being said. We're lucking enough to have a nice route, but I 
really try to avoid sketchy/ high traffic roads, even ones with bike lanes. 
It just kinda kills the vibe. We've also have had many good interactions 
with motorists, even back when he was in a trailer. Someone once yelled at 
me (which was weird) something like, "Your trailer is really visable, I 
love the lights! You're a great dad!" That really made my day!

Kevin 
In Madison, WI

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[George Schick]

"Chuffed?"  I must have slipped even more generations behind on slang than 
I thought.

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 10:18:57 AM UTC-5, LeRoy wrote:
>
> I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put 
> about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my 
> Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the 
> brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's 
> something that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented 
> bikes they own. So I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride. 
> Thus it was with a bit of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call 
> out, *"Hey, nice Riv!"* as he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty 
> chuffed, in a private sort of way, that a stranger recognized the bike and 
> called it out. Did I need the "validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must 
> say that it was nice to hear. When was your first such experience?
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[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Shoji's links are spot on -- I'd say grab a coffee (or a beer) and read 
through them. Getting your hands on the JP Weigel / BQ article would be 
very helpful as well. 

My 2 cents: I'd suggest a sharp awl as opposed to drilling. Alu fenders are 
super soft and a small round file will remove the burr from the awl easily 
enough.


On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in 
> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video 
> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some 
> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that 
> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean 
> drill hole result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable 
> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room 
> to cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the 
> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the 
> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore 
> it apart again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find 
> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with fenders

[Denise Granger]

SEEMS LIKE IT - I’ve read 2 already and this is just so helpful - I will check 
the BQ article as well. Really appreciate that - I’ll shoot some pics once I’ve 
successfully tackled this project.
> On Oct 1, 2018, at 1:47 PM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Shoji's links are spot on -- I'd say grab a coffee (or a beer) and read 
> through them. Getting your hands on the JP Weigel / BQ article would be very 
> helpful as well. 
> 
> My 2 cents: I'd suggest a sharp awl as opposed to drilling. Alu fenders are 
> super soft and a small round file will remove the burr from the awl easily 
> enough.
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in Japanese. 
> While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video regarding the 
> installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some questions if 
> someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
> 
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that require a 
> special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean drill hole 
> result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable tip 
> rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room to 
> cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the cable 
> hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the brake 
> cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore it apart 
> again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find any 
> substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be appreciated.
> 
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
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Re: [RBW] Help with fenders

[Denise Granger]

thanks for this - awesome! Yes I was referring to the straddle hanger and the 
brake cable that runs through it - with a shorter trim on the cable and end cap 
I think it might work as is. I Really appreciate all this info - I’ll let you 
know once I’ve got this all finalized. D

> On Oct 1, 2018, at 9:45 AM, Shoji Takahashi  wrote:
> 
> Hi D,
> Honjo fenders are terrific, but installation can be challenging. Get the 
> fenderline set before fixing the 
> 
> For tools and drilling in aluminum, here's Ocean Air Cycles: 
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2014/01/26/holes-in-metal-fenders/
> 
> Jitensha and Velo Orange have decent instructions, if you have some 
> familiarity with fender installation. 
> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html
> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2009/03/fender-mounting-instructions.html
> 
> There's also BQ's fender installation instructions, which you'd need to 
> purchase from BQ.
> 
> For Q2, do you mean [straddle] cable hanger rubs on the fender? On my 48-cm 
> Hunqapillar, there was little room between the rear brake cable hanger and 
> fender. The straddle cable hanger was set almost to touch the fender in order 
> to have any room for brake actuation. If you have room, then you can raise 
> the straddle hanger. The brake feel+performance might change, but it's the 
> rear wheel, so probably doesn't matter that much. (YMMV!)
> 
> For Q3, Paul touring canti brakes and Paul Neo-retros would work fine with 
> fenders.
> 
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in Japanese. 
> While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video regarding the 
> installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some questions if 
> someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
> 
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that require a 
> special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean drill hole 
> result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable tip 
> rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room to 
> cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the cable 
> hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the brake 
> cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore it apart 
> again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find any 
> substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be appreciated.
> 
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
> 
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[RBW] Re: Film Processing

[Lester Lammers]

Have you seen Kodachrome on Netflix?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/netflix-s-kodachrome-was-inspired-by-a-headline-1104279

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 5:24:57 PM UTC-4, Paul Richardson wrote:

> i'm such a big fan of dwayne's photo in parsons, kansas, that i made a 
> pilgrimage.  i've always appreciated their turnaround times and think they 
> print a good photo to boot.
>
>
> [image: dwayne.png]
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[RBW] Re: Kid Clemmin' & The Morally Indignant Motorist

[M G]

Ugh…sorry you had to experience that, but it’s all over. 

im not much of a poster here these days, but my now 16 year old boy* spent 
10 years on the back of our kid adapted tandem(s) // we live in a rural 
part of Western Mass and i was glad at all the stupidity hurled in our 
direction, as well as the  genuinely lovely things and gestures people made 
when they’d see us riding, both here and when we’d take the tandem into NYC.

I taught my boy that i believe in non-violence but that i make exceptions 
[yes i’m a [benign] (cycling) sociopath who likes parentheses). And 
sometimes i modeled less than stellar behavior back at the yellers.  But i 
have no regrets. It’s part of being a parent.

It was a learning opportunity for both of us, i was able to say ‘let’s come 
up with some good responses that run the gamut’ and also to explain that we 
could get killed at any minute, any time, not just from hostile jerks.  And 
i taught him how to use a mirror, how to say peculiar things, how to say 
nothing, how to wave inappropriately as if deranged [that’s one of the best 
strategies, a super enthusiastic wave, as if it’s your long lost grandpa in 
the car].  And also, using the mirror, the excellent Grant P strategy of 
moving a little awkwardly as they come up behind you, so they give you a 
slightly wider berth.

I rode my kid on the back of a tandem every day for many years when he was 
especially young, and in addition to being hassled by drivers, was hassled 
by cops a few times. 

It became a math lesson too, what % of drivers were fine VS % that hassled 
us, and that was a way to de-escalate for us.

And we practiced a few times emergency ditching, crashing the tandem, etc.

So mostly it was great opportunity to show not tell, and the unmediated kid 
raising time on the bike was and is the best time we have together.  Go 
forth and ride w your kiddos, and the best piece of safety equip i have is 
a mirror.  Oh, and I like a stainless steel bottle. Just in case. 

* he now rides a Bruce Gordon barn find which was too big for me /and is 
sometimes the stoker on the back of our Riv tandem wherein he tries to 
break the speed limit [he rows crew, does MMA, and builds stone walls; is 
super strong]

Ron, Western MA

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 4:36:01 PM UTC-4, Kevin Mulcahy wrote:
>
> My 4.5 year old son rides on the back of our cargo bike to/from daycare, 
> about 4 miles each way. Madison is a great place to ride a bike, and we 
> have a really nice route along some scenic and low-traffic streets. Last 
> week, a motorist caught up to us about a block after we rolled through an 
> unoccupied 4 way stop at the end of a little hill. We always roll through 
> this intersection; everyone does. Well, so this guy pulls up next to us and 
> and just screams, "YOU'RE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE FOR YOUR KID!" and then 
> speeds off. 
>
> Yeah, so afterwards me and my son had a pretty good conversation about how 
> to appropriately display your emotions. As a four year old, that's a lesson 
> he's heard before, but I think it was nice (in a way) for him to see how 
> ugly it can be. My son also drew a connection with a book he was reading 
> about Star Wars and how Yoda teaches about how fear and anger lead to the 
> dark side. So... I think he got it. :)
>
> That all being said. We're lucking enough to have a nice route, but I 
> really try to avoid sketchy/ high traffic roads, even ones with bike lanes. 
> It just kinda kills the vibe. We've also have had many good interactions 
> with motorists, even back when he was in a trailer. Someone once yelled at 
> me (which was weird) something like, "Your trailer is really visable, I 
> love the lights! You're a great dad!" That really made my day!
>
> Kevin 
> In Madison, WI
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Film Processing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks interesting! And he’s shooting with a Leica!

--Eric N

> On Oct 1, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Lester Lammers  wrote:
> 
> Have you seen Kodachrome on Netflix?
> 
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/netflix-s-kodachrome-was-inspired-by-a-headline-1104279
> 
>> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 5:24:57 PM UTC-4, Paul Richardson wrote:
>> i'm such a big fan of dwayne's photo in parsons, kansas, that i made a 
>> pilgrimage.  i've always appreciated their turnaround times and think they 
>> print a good photo to boot.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Andrew Letton]

Ummm... I'd be careful about handing out "chuffs"! ;-)
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chuff




  From: BSWP 
 To: RBW Owners Bunch  
 Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 3:44 AM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed
   
I ride in Berkeley and all of the East Bay... it's not uncommon to get chuffed 
several times each day. And as well, to hand out chuffs to fellow Riv riders I 
see. We are part of a not-so-secret not-so-subterranean society, that 
recognizes and embraces, through use, ownership, and promotion, the reverence 
of good things that work simply, and that simply work.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:18:57 AM UTC-7, LeRoy wrote:
I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put 
about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my 
Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the 
brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's something 
that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented bikes they own. So 
I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride. Thus it was with a bit 
of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call out, "Hey, nice Riv!" as 
he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty chuffed, in a private sort of way, 
that a stranger recognized the bike and called it out. Did I need the 
"validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must say that it was nice to hear. When 
was your first such experience?

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[RBW] Re: handlebar/stem bags - what do people like?

[Neil Doran]

That Outer Shell is a pretty nifty bag! Basically just what I'm looking 
for, especially with the camera insert. I have a Swift bag that lives in 
the same spot on the bars, but this one looks more versatile.

On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:59:22 AM UTC-7, Adam in Indiana wrote:
>
> I'm quite fond of Outer shell Adventures' Drawcord Handlebar Bag.  Not 
> quite the same style you're asking about, but can still be opened and 
> closed with one hand, and he also makes a separate padded liner if youre 
> carrying a camera in it.
>
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 12:13:54 PM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
> > What do folks like for handlebar/stem bags, especially ones that can 
> hold an SLR with short lens? I missed the boat on the Riv product a while 
> back.
> > 
> > 
> > I have a Carsick Designs stem bag that I love, but it is first gen meant 
> only for a bike water bottle. Need bigger.
> > 
> > 
> > Randi Jo looks great, just not sure it is wide enough. I'm sure I would 
> not regret the purchase, tho.
> > 
> > 
> > Revelate seems to be a standard-bearer, and apparently has one-handed 
> operation, which seems slick.
> > 
> > 
> > Any opinions out there?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Andrew Letton]

Not certain, but I think it is much more common in countries with historical 
British influence. In my experience, it's common in NZ and here in 
Oz.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chuffedCheers,Andrew, a Yank in 
Oz 

  From: George Schick 
 To: RBW Owners Bunch  
 Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 6:44 AM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed
   
"Chuffed?"  I must have slipped even more generations behind on slang than I 
thought.

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 10:18:57 AM UTC-5, LeRoy wrote:
I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put 
about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my 
Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the 
brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's something 
that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented bikes they own. So 
I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride. Thus it was with a bit 
of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call out, "Hey, nice Riv!" as 
he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty chuffed, in a private sort of way, 
that a stranger recognized the bike and called it out. Did I need the 
"validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must say that it was nice to hear. When 
was your first such experience?

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[RBW] Re: handlebar/stem bags - what do people like?

[Neil Doran]

Lotsa good ideas here, as usual. Thanks Bunch!

I picked up a Revelate feedbag yesterday at my local REI and immediately 
did not like it...my knee hits it when I stand to pedal. Plus my camera 
does not fit, so no go.

I am a dedicated Mark's rack and basket guy (and I load it heavy, ha!). 
I've been down the rando bag route, liked it for awhile, but I find Wald 
basket plus shopsack is just so versatile.

I found my camera does *just* fit into my Swift bar bag. That spot is kinda 
crowded with SIS cables and the aforementioned basket, but it does hold the 
camera well. Just not super easy to pull out.

I'll likely stick with what I got, or figure out some sort of padded insert 
that can live in my basket.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think I’m gonna boof.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Oct 1, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Andrew Letton  wrote:
> 
> Ummm... I'd be careful about handing out "chuffs"! ;-)
> 
> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chuff 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: BSWP 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch  
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 3:44 AM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed
> 
> I ride in Berkeley and all of the East Bay... it's not uncommon to get 
> chuffed several times each day. And as well, to hand out chuffs to fellow Riv 
> riders I see. We are part of a not-so-secret not-so-subterranean society, 
> that recognizes and embraces, through use, ownership, and promotion, the 
> reverence of good things that work simply, and that simply work.
> 
> - Andrew, Berkeley
> 
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:18:57 AM UTC-7, LeRoy wrote:
> I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put 
> about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my 
> Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the 
> brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's something 
> that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented bikes they own. 
> So I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride. Thus it was with a 
> bit of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call out, "Hey, nice 
> Riv!" as he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty chuffed, in a private 
> sort of way, that a stranger recognized the bike and called it out. Did I 
> need the "validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must say that it was nice to 
> hear. When was your first such experience?
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Re: [RBW] Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Tim Butterfield]

I got that once a year after I got my AHH.  I was heading out to do a small
loop and met a Steve coming back on his Riv (Rambouillet?).  I have not
seen anyone else on one.

Tim

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 8:18 AM LeRoy  wrote:

> I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put
> about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my
> Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the
> brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's
> something that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented
> bikes they own. So I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride.
> Thus it was with a bit of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call
> out, *"Hey, nice Riv!"* as he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty
> chuffed, in a private sort of way, that a stranger recognized the bike and
> called it out. Did I need the "validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must
> say that it was nice to hear. When was your first such experience?
>
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[RBW] Re: Film Processing

[Philip Williamson]

I saw that on my workmates' recommendation. 
Loved it. It's almost more about music than film, but, you know, it IS a 
film...


Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 2:56:54 PM UTC-7, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> Have you seen Kodachrome on Netflix?
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/netflix-s-kodachrome-was-inspired-by-a-headline-1104279
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 5:24:57 PM UTC-4, Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> i'm such a big fan of dwayne's photo in parsons, kansas, that i made a 
>> pilgrimage.  i've always appreciated their turnaround times and think they 
>> print a good photo to boot.
>>
>>
>> [image: dwayne.png]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I was quite surprised when my wife and I were taking a spin a couple
hundred feet from our place on her first ride on her Riv, when a guy (who I
didn't know) said, "Hey, nice bike, is that a Betty Foy?"

Wow, who wouldda thunk it?

Toshi
(In Riv country, Oakland CA)

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[RBW] MIT 64cm Homer

[Joe Bernard]

This looks CRAZY. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoaHaRvDFNl/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1rii54y083es6

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Craig Montgomery]

Camping out in the Chiricahua Mountains of southeast Arizona this weekend. 
Riding around mostly. Onion Saddle. Massai Point. I was the only camper in 
Pinery Canyon. Sunday morning I hear an unexpected sound coming up the 
road. A bike tourer. Fully loaded. On a Trek 520. He rides by my camp and 
says his "Howdies" and I say "Talk to me". First thing he does is haul his 
bike into camp, walk over to mine and says "Damn, that's a beautiful bike." 
"Rivendell," I respond. "I think I've heard of those."  

I guess you could call that a semi-chuff. 

Craig in Tucson

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On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:18:57 AM UTC-7, LeRoy wrote:
>
> I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put 
> about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my 
> Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the 
> brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's 
> something that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented 
> bikes they own. So I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride. 
> Thus it was with a bit of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call 
> out, *"Hey, nice Riv!"* as he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty 
> chuffed, in a private sort of way, that a stranger recognized the bike and 
> called it out. Did I need the "validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must 
> say that it was nice to hear. When was your first such experience?
>

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Re: [RBW] MIT 64cm Homer

[James Warren]

Lugged AND swoopy gets the big thumbs up from me.

New Atlantean!



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>Sent: Oct 1, 2018 4:10 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] MIT 64cm Homer
>
>This looks CRAZY. 
>
>https://www.instagram.com/p/BoaHaRvDFNl/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1rii54y083es6
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Re: [RBW] Kid Clemmin' & The Morally Indignant Motorist

[Eric Daume]

I did a lot of miles on roads pulling the kids behind me a trailer, or
trail-a-bike, or both at once.

Without exception, I found that drivers were more courteous to me and gave
me more space when I was with the kids.

Maybe Ohio drivers are just nicer?

Eric
Plain City, OH
who will probably be getting rid of my last trail-a-bike by next summer.
Sniff sniff...

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 4:15 PM Coal Bee Rye Anne 
wrote:

> Yesterday I had a pleasant day with the family, with the exception of
> having the pleasure of being heckled/scolded/yelled at for the first time
> in years while riding a bicycle in public... while riding with our 14month
> old son... because I was riding with my 14month old son.
>
> We decided to take our son apple picking at a nearby orchard only 2 miles
> away.  The majority of the route cuts through a network of parks and
> multiuse trails in preserved farmland/meadows but does require some
> pavement (along two different 2 lane roads.)  Naturally, being cyclists and
> having bikes and gear suitable for carrying a few extra pounds of flesh and
> produce we decided to keep the car parked for the day and take the scenic
> route and make an afternoon of it considering the close proximity, familiar
> route, and favorable weather.
>
> The off pavement portion is on multiuse paths to which we directly connect
> through a park at the back of our neighborhood.  Part of the trail runs
> parallel to one of the paved roads we'll need to double-back on to ride
> for 1000 to 2000ft before turning onto the intersecting road on
> which the orchard is located a mile further down.
>
> En route to the farm, during that first 1000-2000ft straight paved
> section, is where we encountered the indignant motorist.  The road is an
> old 2-lane farm road and admittedly not ideal for cycling with an
> insufficient shoulder and drainage ditches on either side, but not very
> heavily trafficked.  We entered the road with a right hand turn at the
> nearest crossing, my son and I out front with my wife trailing a couple
> hundred feet or so behind.  As we were nearing the left turn I glance back
> and see a vehicle approaching from a slight distance back behind my
> wife but with lots of space still between us (and the vehicle) and the
> intersection almost upon us I deliberately signal our turn and begin to
> take the lane for the final 50yds or so.  As we complete our turn and begin
> to head into the last mile on the even less trafficked 2 lane
> residential/rural road the driver proceeds to yell "...something something
> something... with an f#$%!ng child you f#$%!ng a-hole!" just as he floors
> the gas to accelerate and regain his desired mph.
>
> There was nothing confrontational about the situation otherwise... we were
> never even close enough to make eye contact, the driver never attempted to
> pass aggressively or do anything to otherwise put us in harms way, nor did
> I make any abrupt or sudden movements, etc.  This was the first vehicle to
> encounter us heading in the same direction for the entire short stretch and
> I made what I felt was the safest and most reasonable decision after
> surveying our surroundings by taking the lane and swiftly turning off the
> busier of the two roads while we had the space and timing to safely do so.
>
> Our child's safety is something we certainly do not take lightly.  I could
> sympathize with concern over the general element of risk of cycling on
> today's roads, and yes, this same risk clearly extends to my child
> passenger but apparently this person was so deeply offended enough by our
> actions of simply cycling with a toddler that they felt the need to erupt
> into an outburst of anger as they sped past... the irony of which is that
> in their final moment within our limited interaction they did nothing more
> than demonstrate the exact kind of driving behavior that puts all
> cyclists/pedestrians/motorists at risk (distracted/aggressive/etc.) and
> would jeopardize the safety of the child they seemed so concerned about in
> the first place.
>
> It could be that I'm a little overly sensitive still being a new parent,
> and new to family cycling, and maybe the amount of time that's lapsed
> between prior conflicts with motorists has re-sensitized me to an extent
> (several years ago I'd expect nothing less from most drivers, just sans the
> "child" part) but I've had this brief moment nagging me a bit this morning
> and curious to know what others have experienced in terms of cycling with
> kids and overly opinionated motorists, etc.?
>
> I recall reading of others who bike often with children, or incorporate it
> much more into daily life... sometimes dropping off and picking up kids at
> school, etc.  Many of our local roads are less than desirable (same reasons
> noted above: insufficient shoulders, mostly) and many I've already ruled
> out for riding with our son and until this weekend all rides have been
> contained almost exclusively to our local park/tr

[RBW] Re: New Rosco Cargo Mixte

[Drw]

It is...a monster. I’m so happy to have a bike that I can truly weird out. Some 
of the parts, I’m realizing, are actually too classy, and probably should be 
replaced by weirder ones. I’ve been restrained by good taste with every other 
bike. I want this to be a Rivendell unhinged. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 18" Trek 950, Riv-inspired build - $325

[CMR]

Bump for a great bike, would consider partial trade for a high end, silver, 
quick release 700c dynamo wheel (e.g. Schmidt, SP)

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[RBW] Re: New Rosco Cargo Mixte

[Joe Bernard]

I'll send you my bright orange ESI grips I bought here and can't bring myself 
to use. That bike needs an inexplicable dash of orange that matches nothing 
else on the frame! 

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[RBW] New Rosco Cargo Mixte

[Timothy Hurley]

Wooh that thing is nuts! Two weird thumbs up.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 18" Trek 950, Riv-inspired build - $325

[CMR]

Looks like the Treks taller cousin! Great build.

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Re: [RBW] MIT 64cm Homer

['kobe' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Second top tube seems backwards to me. I like the effort though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with fenders

[Steve Palincsar]

Dilling holes is easy.  Aluminum is soft, and you can finish the hole 
off with a rat tail file.  It helps to start it with a punch.  In any 
event you don't see the hole when it's all assembled so no need to get 
obsessive about it.  Just make absolutely positively 100% sure don't 
even think about trying to shortcut the process to only do one set of 
holes at a time.  Mark, drill mount, mark the next set, dismount, drill, 
remount.  You cannot mark all the holes at once, because mounting the 
first hole changes the alignment and your next hole is going to end up 
in the wrong place.  That's the chief reason why it takes a long time 
and requires huge amounts of patience.  That, and of course because it's 
easy to screw up and ruin an expensive fender.  Haste truly makes waste 
here.


Also under no circumstances ever try to pull the fender into shape by 
means of tension on the fender stays.  That works with plastic fenders, 
but it's the kiss of death with metal ones.  You adjust the fender line 
by squeezing the edges of the fender together or spreading them apart.  
Stressing the fender by means of tension on the stays ends up causing 
cracking.



On 10/01/2018 12:45 PM, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

Hi D,
Honjo fenders are terrific, but installation can be challenging. Get 
the fenderline set before fixing the


For tools and drilling in aluminum, here's Ocean Air 
Cycles: http://oceanaircycles.com/2014/01/26/holes-in-metal-fenders/


Jitensha and Velo Orange have decent instructions, if you have some 
familiarity with fender installation.

https://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html
https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2009/03/fender-mounting-instructions.html

There's also BQ's fender installation instructions, which you'd need 
to purchase from BQ.


For Q2, do you mean [straddle] cable hanger rubs on the fender? On my 
48-cm Hunqapillar, there was little room between the rear brake cable 
hanger and fender. The straddle cable hanger was set almost to touch 
the fender in order to have any room for brake actuation. If you have 
room, then you can raise the straddle hanger. The brake 
feel+performance might change, but it's the rear wheel, so probably 
doesn't matter that much. (YMMV!)


For Q3, Paul touring canti brakes and Paul Neo-retros would work fine 
with fenders.


Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA




On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, nemom...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe
Appaloosa - they did not come with any instructions and the parts
tags were in Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I
could find) video regarding the installation which looks pretty
extensive, I do have some questions if someone has experience with
these. Here goes . . .

1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does
that require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to
get a clean drill hole result?
2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake
cable tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't
have much room to cut shorter - and really am
new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced
the cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire
so that the brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted
to ask before I tore it apart again.
3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but
couldn't find any substantive video on whether these would be ok
with the fenders - the cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on
this as well would be appreciated.

Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D

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Re: [RBW] MIT 64cm Homer

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jet engine air intake, Kobe. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: MIT 64cm Homer

[CMR]

I love it, wish I was taller haha

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[RBW] Re: MIT 64cm Homer

[Paul M]

I'm in if they carry the double top tube over to the 61.5cm frameset!! The 
61.5cm also has shorter chainstays !!

On Monday, 1 October 2018 19:53:21 UTC-7, CMR wrote:
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> I love it, wish I was taller haha
>

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Bill Schairer]

I got one recently from a mailman doing his rounds. 

Bill

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[RBW] New Rosco Cargo Mixte

[Drw]

Please everyone, send me your weirdest. 

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