[RBW] Re: Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[Joe Bernard]

Leah addresses another thing I meant to include and forgot because I'm not in 
my 30s anymore and forget stuff: I used to ride all kinds of ridiculous 
car-crowded roads I don't anymore; my attitude was I had "a right" to be there 
and would not yield. Well that was dumb and I stopped doing it. I ride roads 
and paths I feel relatively safe on while watching out for and predicting in 
advance what can go wrong. 

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[RBW] Re: Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Oh, Paul, this is so sad. And relatable. If I had a close call like yours, I 
might be very tempted to put the bike away. I got banged up hiking 2 weeks ago 
and being injured is no joke - and the older you get, the more terrifying it 
is. I’m in my 30s, but that’s my theory. Top fears: hitting my face. Breaking 
my teeth. I know there are worse things.

I make drivers look at me. I won’t go through an intersection unless I’ve made 
eye contact. That’s my #1 tip. If they are looking at me, I have some hope of 
them paying attention and not finding myself under their wheels. My boys know 
this in their marrow of their bones; we take a MUP down the artery of our 
canyon to school and there are several neighborhoods that empty out into that 
artery. At every single crossing, we look and if the driver doesn’t make eye 
contact we don’t move. I don’t care how much momentum we lose on the hill or 
what time it is, we’re at a dead stop if we aren’t staring into the eyes of a 
human piloting 2 tons of steel in our path. 

You have to make the choice for yourself, but don’t feel like you have to ride 
everywhere you go or that you have to ride in unsafe parts of town. Just ride 
where you can feel safe and where there are protected bike lanes or MUPs. Maybe 
just start by biking to a coffee shop? Coffee soothes most anything. 
Best,
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[Joe Bernard]

Doug, 

Yes, that's how I ride, too, and with your (knock on wood) results. I probably 
got it from being a motorcyclist before cyclist, you get pretty good at 
predicting what that idiot is going to do and then watching them do it. One of 
my favorite things to shout at a motorist meeting my low expectations is "OF 
COURSE!"

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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[Wyatt]

Love to see someone really pushing the limits of a custom frame design. Can’t 
wait to see this thing built up. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville, Baggins, Tubus, Pass & Stow, Albatross, MKS

[Drw]

These are great prices. I need none of these things but am so tempted. 

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[RBW] Re: Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[dougP]

Paul:

Most of those who've commented are of an age where they may remember the 
term "defensive driving".  I try to practice "defensive cycling."  To me, 
that means viewing every situation for the potential to go wrong.  Is that 
car rolling up at an intersection really going to stop, or will it blow 
thru?  Is the car that just past me before an intersection going to turn 
right or carry on straight?  That sort of thinking.  I know it sounds 
paranoid, but I have few near misses, and have been cycling over 50 years.  
When I used to ride motorcycles, one piece of advice was "ride like you're 
invisible & everyone is out to kill you."  

On the motivation question, if you don't feel like it, don't bother.  It's 
a sport, not a religion.  

dougP

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 4:34:28 PM UTC-8, PG wrote:
>
> I'm turning 67 in a week, and haven't ridden in a couple of months. The 
> last time out, a woman blew a stop sign at an intersection -- presumably 
> while texting, base on her body language -- and if I'd been 100 feet closer 
> to the intersection, I would have been creamed. I shook for a couple of 
> days afterwards, and haven't been motivated to go out since. As with most 
> of us, this isn't an isolated incident.
>
> My instinct is to quit riding. A couple things are behind that. Because of 
> my age, my reflexes, depth perception, and general eyesight are in decline. 
>
> I only ride on the road, as mountain and trail riding don't appeal to me. 
> I guess I could start spinning at home to keep my fitness level up. 
>
> I know the odds are that I will be fine, but even a minor accident would 
> take months to recover from. A major accident could result in permanent 
> damage.
>
> Am I overreacting? It's been several months and I've had no urge to ride 
> again.
>
>
> Paul
>

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[RBW] Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[Joe Bernard]

Good example, Christopher. I resumed motorcycle riding 10 years ago because I'd 
always wanted a Harley and promptly sold it. I still like the bikes and ebikes 
at 57-years-old, but I don't need the motorcycles anymore. 

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[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

What's the lifta-tube length on that beauty! 
-Kai

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[Bill Lindsay]

Riv sold it as a 58, but it has much more of a dropped top tube than lugged 
Rivs. It’s a solid size Large. It may measure 57cm from the center of the BB to 
the top of the top tube. 

BL in EC

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[RBW] Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[Christopher Murray]

This is a tough and personal question. I think it boils down to the amount of 
risk you are willing to accept. All activities (even sitting in your house) 
come with some risk. At some point the risk or perceived risk of an activity is 
outweighed by the enjoyment of an activity. For me, motorcycles and old 
Volkswagens fall into this category. No matter how much I like them, I can just 
not participate and not feel like I am depriving myself or feel like I am 
living my life in fear. Other activites- like cycling and running- are worth 
the risk to me. If I gave them up I would feel like I was living in fear and 
would miss them every single day. 

Ride in places with protected bike lanes or trails. Or give yourself permission 
to take a break from cycling. You can always start again. Just Ride, to me, 
means being true to yourself and doing what makes you happy and gives you 
enjoyment. If that means not riding then that's ok. Talk to people-- friends, 
doctors, etc. They may have radically different perspectives. Keep an open 
mind. Explore other types of cycling. Explore other types of exercise. But 
mostly, do what makes you happiest. Life is too short not to. 

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[RBW] Re: Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[John Phillips]

 I'm only 61 and I have to admit to having the same feelings you're 
having. It's not just the fear of being so injured I end up in the 
hospital. The last time I was taken to emergency and admitted, I contracted 
a lung infection in the hospital which was partially antibiotic resistant, 
and took a month to get rid of. Absolutely no fun.
   
 Last night I was looking online at last years bike vs car accidents in 
my town. The website broke it down to whether the car driver or bike rider 
was at fault, and many of the accidents where the car driver was at fault 
were due to a failure to obey the stop sign or traffic signal. This backed 
up my own experience dealing with cars in my town, and I have to admit, I 
no longer run errands on my bike. And even though I use my small SUV for 
grocery runs, I still average about 4 near accidents for every 6 miles I 
drive, but that's counting cars, bikes and peds. I drive slower these days, 
and expect everyone else on the road to do something really stupid.

And I now only ride my bike where I feel comfortable, and respect my 
sense of fear when I'm riding. Besides, I don't ride to stress myself out.

John

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[Joe Bernard]

Bill, any idea what 57cm means on this frame?

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[Bill Lindsay]

That model was built with the fork from a Simple One and it has horizontal Riv 
dropouts so it would be easy to set up as a single speed. (I have one of them). 

BL in EC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[S]

I don't need convincing -- I already have two Rivendells, albeit older 
models with shorter chain stays. I know, too, that of course you can 
calculate the stresses, but the raw numbers tell only part of the story. 
Certainly, we know that frames such as the Gus Boots are more than strong 
enough, because they have passed the toughest mountain bike frame tests. 
What I am curious about has more to do with things such as drive train 
efficiency, rider feel, and frame longevity, all of which can be hard to 
measure, at least initially. I recognize there isn't going to be a pat 
answer that someone here can give. I was just thinking out loud, wondering 
where the practical limits lie, at what point performance starts to be 
compromised, when the drawbacks begin to outweigh the benefits. 

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 5:43:25 PM UTC-8, James Valiensi wrote:
>
> For the Engineer - the bike frame is a simple truss - one can calculate 
> the defection. 
> But don’t waste you time over thinking a Rivendell - just ride one and 
> you’ll be sold.
>
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 5:21 PM, S > wrote:
>
> From an engineering perspective, I worry about excessive flex with super 
> long chain stays. I don't believe super short stays deliver significantly 
> better acceleration, but I wonder if super long stays might rob energy from 
> the drive train, "flubbing out" your pedal strokes. Also, some of the 
> highest stresses in a frame are in the BB area, specifically in the area 
> where the right chainstay enters the BB. By lengthening the stay, you are 
> in effect creating a longer lever and potentially increasing the stress, 
> more so over rough ground where the rider is bouncing up and down on the 
> bike.   
>
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 4:43:56 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> I have wanted to start this thread for weeks. Fearing controversy, not 
>> desiring to start fights, and worried that staff at Riv will read this, I 
>> never mustered up the guts. But the long wheelbase bike topic has come up 
>> in several threads now, and maybe we should just have the discussion. 
>> People are wanting to buy these bikes, and since most don’t live near a 
>> dealer, we need to help each other out regarding bike fit. 
>>
>> I got a new Clem L (unless you have been living under a ROCK you know 
>> this since it’s all I talk about. Go ahead, I dare you to ask me about the 
>> color of paint that it has. ) and it’s nothing like the other Clems I’ve 
>> known and loved. Why? Because it has an even longer wheelbase than than its 
>> long-wheelbase predecessors. 
>>
>> Recently, Rivendell pointed us to an Ask Me Anything with Grant on 
>> Reddit. It was a wall of text and I read it. Folks asked their most 
>> pressing questions and Grant graciously answered them. Over and over and 
>> over again long wheelbase bikes were brought up, and Grant offered his 
>> opinion. Longer bikes are more stable, Cadillac-like, comfortable, etc. The 
>> opposite of twitchy, short-wheelbase bikes. We know this and most of us 
>> will accept it. 
>>
>> BUT...what I am dying to know is this: how long can you go before it is 
>> no longer an improvement? 
>>
>> Example: My 52 Clementine was much more comfortable than my 55 Betty Foy. 
>> Like it was tailor-made for me alone. The Betz was totally fine, no knocks 
>> against it, but the Clementine was just more plush. So, I agree with Grant 
>> - longer was better. 
>>
>> The problem came with my Clem L, the 2019 version that had had its 
>> geometry changed. I didn’t know I was getting a different bike. I was 
>> surprised when I had to buy (several) different stems and a new long 
>> wheelbase bar for my Saris rack. It’s been a lot of adjustment, and I’ve 
>> been frustrated. If I understand correctly, several Rivendell models have 
>> been lengthened as of late. 
>>
>> The burning question I have: Can anyone tell us if the new longer bikes 
>> are better or worse than the previous (also long) versions? We know the 
>> theory, what of the reality? I’m thinking especially of the Clems, as they 
>> were already SO long. But I think Atlantis people will also have something 
>> to say... 
>>
>> I wanted to have this discussion because I genuinely want to know how the 
>> newest long bikes are working out for folks. But I also want to let others 
>> know that there are some things to consider if you get one of these new 
>> iterations. Will a 52 Clem fit on public transport? I think no. Will it fit 
>> on your vehicle hitch bike rack? Mine won’t. Will it be difficult for you 
>> to park your long bike in a public rack? Can you back your bike out of your 
>> garage/shed easily at this new length? What if you are right between sizes? 
>> Rivendell would have you go up, I’m not sure I wouldn’t have done better on 
>> the next size down. 
>>
>> Of course we can have this discussion and keep it kind, can’t we, 
>> Friends. It would be so horrible if Rivendell staff read this and saw a lot 

[RBW] Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[Joe Bernard]

I know this is the place where everyone is inclined to say keep riding no 
matter what, but I can't support that. It's not the safest activity in the 
world - at least not with the lousy infrastructure this country provides for 
cyclists - and you don't have to do it. If you've been off the bike for months 
and find that you feel calmer without it, then that may be the choice you need. 
Going for walks is nice, too. 

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[RBW] Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[WETH]

Paul,
So sorry to learn about your close call.  I have had a few close calls on my 
bike with cars.  I’ve been able to keep riding, though at least one encounter 
had me quite shaken.  All this to express my understanding with your situation. 
 It is not hard for me to imagine that at some point I will feel as you do; I 
dread that day. Are there multipurpose trails in your area where you could ride 
and be more at ease?
With best wishes,
Erl
Kensington, MD

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Re: [RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[James Valiensi]

For the Engineer - the bike frame is a simple truss - one can calculate the 
defection. 
But don’t waste you time over thinking a Rivendell - just ride one and you’ll 
be sold.

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 5:21 PM, S  wrote:
> 
> From an engineering perspective, I worry about excessive flex with super long 
> chain stays. I don't believe super short stays deliver significantly better 
> acceleration, but I wonder if super long stays might rob energy from the 
> drive train, "flubbing out" your pedal strokes. Also, some of the highest 
> stresses in a frame are in the BB area, specifically in the area where the 
> right chainstay enters the BB. By lengthening the stay, you are in effect 
> creating a longer lever and potentially increasing the stress, more so over 
> rough ground where the rider is bouncing up and down on the bike.   
> 
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 4:43:56 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
> I have wanted to start this thread for weeks. Fearing controversy, not 
> desiring to start fights, and worried that staff at Riv will read this, I 
> never mustered up the guts. But the long wheelbase bike topic has come up in 
> several threads now, and maybe we should just have the discussion. People are 
> wanting to buy these bikes, and since most don’t live near a dealer, we need 
> to help each other out regarding bike fit. 
> 
> I got a new Clem L (unless you have been living under a ROCK you know this 
> since it’s all I talk about. Go ahead, I dare you to ask me about the color 
> of paint that it has. ) and it’s nothing like the other Clems I’ve known and 
> loved. Why? Because it has an even longer wheelbase than than its 
> long-wheelbase predecessors. 
> 
> Recently, Rivendell pointed us to an Ask Me Anything with Grant on Reddit. It 
> was a wall of text and I read it. Folks asked their most pressing questions 
> and Grant graciously answered them. Over and over and over again long 
> wheelbase bikes were brought up, and Grant offered his opinion. Longer bikes 
> are more stable, Cadillac-like, comfortable, etc. The opposite of twitchy, 
> short-wheelbase bikes. We know this and most of us will accept it. 
> 
> BUT...what I am dying to know is this: how long can you go before it is no 
> longer an improvement? 
> 
> Example: My 52 Clementine was much more comfortable than my 55 Betty Foy. 
> Like it was tailor-made for me alone. The Betz was totally fine, no knocks 
> against it, but the Clementine was just more plush. So, I agree with Grant - 
> longer was better. 
> 
> The problem came with my Clem L, the 2019 version that had had its geometry 
> changed. I didn’t know I was getting a different bike. I was surprised when I 
> had to buy (several) different stems and a new long wheelbase bar for my 
> Saris rack. It’s been a lot of adjustment, and I’ve been frustrated. If I 
> understand correctly, several Rivendell models have been lengthened as of 
> late. 
> 
> The burning question I have: Can anyone tell us if the new longer bikes are 
> better or worse than the previous (also long) versions? We know the theory, 
> what of the reality? I’m thinking especially of the Clems, as they were 
> already SO long. But I think Atlantis people will also have something to 
> say... 
> 
> I wanted to have this discussion because I genuinely want to know how the 
> newest long bikes are working out for folks. But I also want to let others 
> know that there are some things to consider if you get one of these new 
> iterations. Will a 52 Clem fit on public transport? I think no. Will it fit 
> on your vehicle hitch bike rack? Mine won’t. Will it be difficult for you to 
> park your long bike in a public rack? Can you back your bike out of your 
> garage/shed easily at this new length? What if you are right between sizes? 
> Rivendell would have you go up, I’m not sure I wouldn’t have done better on 
> the next size down. 
> 
> Of course we can have this discussion and keep it kind, can’t we, Friends. It 
> would be so horrible if Rivendell staff read this and saw a lot of 
> inflammatory remarks. I think we’re allowed to have a decent and informative 
> chat, and undoubtedly some people will find it helpful. Plus, maybe Rivendell 
> will find it useful. If the extra long bikes aren’t meeting expectations, 
> maybe there will be changes to future bikes. 
> 
> I did put 9 miles riding up a mountain with groceries in my front basket on 
> the new Clem L, so I’m working our relationship! 
> Leah 
> 
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[RBW] Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[ctifusion]

Have you ridden a nice recumbent trike? 

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[S]

>From an engineering perspective, I worry about excessive flex with super 
long chain stays. I don't believe super short stays deliver significantly 
better acceleration, but I wonder if super long stays might rob energy from 
the drive train, "flubbing out" your pedal strokes. Also, some of the 
highest stresses in a frame are in the BB area, specifically in the area 
where the right chainstay enters the BB. By lengthening the stay, you are 
in effect creating a longer lever and potentially increasing the stress, 
more so over rough ground where the rider is bouncing up and down on the 
bike.   

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 4:43:56 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I have wanted to start this thread for weeks. Fearing controversy, not 
> desiring to start fights, and worried that staff at Riv will read this, I 
> never mustered up the guts. But the long wheelbase bike topic has come up 
> in several threads now, and maybe we should just have the discussion. 
> People are wanting to buy these bikes, and since most don’t live near a 
> dealer, we need to help each other out regarding bike fit. 
>
> I got a new Clem L (unless you have been living under a ROCK you know this 
> since it’s all I talk about. Go ahead, I dare you to ask me about the color 
> of paint that it has. ) and it’s nothing like the other Clems I’ve known 
> and loved. Why? Because it has an even longer wheelbase than than its 
> long-wheelbase predecessors. 
>
> Recently, Rivendell pointed us to an Ask Me Anything with Grant on Reddit. 
> It was a wall of text and I read it. Folks asked their most pressing 
> questions and Grant graciously answered them. Over and over and over again 
> long wheelbase bikes were brought up, and Grant offered his opinion. Longer 
> bikes are more stable, Cadillac-like, comfortable, etc. The opposite of 
> twitchy, short-wheelbase bikes. We know this and most of us will accept it. 
>
> BUT...what I am dying to know is this: how long can you go before it is no 
> longer an improvement? 
>
> Example: My 52 Clementine was much more comfortable than my 55 Betty Foy. 
> Like it was tailor-made for me alone. The Betz was totally fine, no knocks 
> against it, but the Clementine was just more plush. So, I agree with Grant 
> - longer was better. 
>
> The problem came with my Clem L, the 2019 version that had had its 
> geometry changed. I didn’t know I was getting a different bike. I was 
> surprised when I had to buy (several) different stems and a new long 
> wheelbase bar for my Saris rack. It’s been a lot of adjustment, and I’ve 
> been frustrated. If I understand correctly, several Rivendell models have 
> been lengthened as of late. 
>
> The burning question I have: Can anyone tell us if the new longer bikes 
> are better or worse than the previous (also long) versions? We know the 
> theory, what of the reality? I’m thinking especially of the Clems, as they 
> were already SO long. But I think Atlantis people will also have something 
> to say... 
>
> I wanted to have this discussion because I genuinely want to know how the 
> newest long bikes are working out for folks. But I also want to let others 
> know that there are some things to consider if you get one of these new 
> iterations. Will a 52 Clem fit on public transport? I think no. Will it fit 
> on your vehicle hitch bike rack? Mine won’t. Will it be difficult for you 
> to park your long bike in a public rack? Can you back your bike out of your 
> garage/shed easily at this new length? What if you are right between sizes? 
> Rivendell would have you go up, I’m not sure I wouldn’t have done better on 
> the next size down. 
>
> Of course we can have this discussion and keep it kind, can’t we, Friends. 
> It would be so horrible if Rivendell staff read this and saw a lot of 
> inflammatory remarks. I think we’re allowed to have a decent and 
> informative chat, and undoubtedly some people will find it helpful. Plus, 
> maybe Rivendell will find it useful. If the extra long bikes aren’t meeting 
> expectations, maybe there will be changes to future bikes. 
>
> I did put 9 miles riding up a mountain with groceries in my front basket 
> on the new Clem L, so I’m working our relationship! 
> Leah 
>
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[RBW] Long shot desperately seeking 56 cm saluki.

[Hugh Smitham]

Just kidding I'm nowhere near desperate but I figured I'd try and see if 
anybody wanted to sell a 56 CM saluki frame and fork?

I'm expecting crickets but hey you never know?

Best Regards,

Hugh

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[RBW] Craigslist Outing - No Affiliation - Rosco Bubbe Road Frame in Blue with Rich built wheels. Complete $900

[Paul Clifton]

I don't have any more details. It's close to me if anyone needs a proxy, I 
can probably sort out the time.
https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/fayetteville-dirt-road-daytripper/7065145511.html

Paul in NW Arkansas

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Lovely Eric! Congrats on the build.
Paul GermainMidlothian, Va.


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Subject: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

Wow, those Hillibikes are really growing on me. That's a beautiful orange on 
the Susie. I wonder if that's close to what the burnt orange will look like on 
the new round of Joe Appa's.
Here's my Leo Roadini, freshly swapped to 28's with fenders in preparation for 
my first (ever) brevet this weekend.
Erik, PHL
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[RBW] Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[PG]

I'm turning 67 in a week, and haven't ridden in a couple of months. The 
last time out, a woman blew a stop sign at an intersection -- presumably 
while texting, base on her body language -- and if I'd been 100 feet closer 
to the intersection, I would have been creamed. I shook for a couple of 
days afterwards, and haven't been motivated to go out since. As with most 
of us, this isn't an isolated incident.

My instinct is to quit riding. A couple things are behind that. Because of 
my age, my reflexes, depth perception, and general eyesight are in decline. 

I only ride on the road, as mountain and trail riding don't appeal to me. I 
guess I could start spinning at home to keep my fitness level up. 

I know the odds are that I will be fine, but even a minor accident would 
take months to recover from. A major accident could result in permanent 
damage.

Am I overreacting? It's been several months and I've had no urge to ride 
again.


Paul

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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[Jesse]

I almost never post here, but that is the best location for shifter bosses 
of all time. 

Cheers

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Re: [RBW] So Close, Yet So Far

[George Rosselle]

Congratulations on getting exactly the right size frame for you. It will be a 
joy to ride. Look forward to photos of the build.

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[RBW] Re: Not quite as close, ready for paint

[Joe Bernard]

Grey with red fills, headtube and a panel behind the Rivendell decal. Kinda 
like a brightened up version of the original Hunqapillar scheme. As seen on 
this Kirk frame, which Joe Bell painted. 

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 11:51:39 AM UTC-8, Roberta wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> 
> What color are you painting it?  All I know is that the lug cutouts will be 
> red.  
> 
> 
> 
> Roberta
> 
> On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:Yes and 
> the numbers are surprisingly close to yours although I'm shorter. But I 
> specified a very upright position to accommodate my bad right hand, I suspect 
> the headtube is way up there and tipped back.

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[RBW] Re: Not quite as close, ready for paint

[Joe Bernard]

Roberta, I'll spill on the Instagram PM thing. I'm saving the big reveal for 
when the frame is here and I can blast y'all with pics 

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Re: [RBW] FS: 55 cm Betty Foy

[Leah Peterson]

Rocky - dog deep into those pockets! This is the bike for your wife and she 
deserves it (I’ve never met her but I have a gut feeling )

Joe - yes, I am not sure you shouldn’t have had BF Blue on your custom! This 
paint is to die for - and I would never ever have dreamt it up but it’s 
phenomenal. But nah, your color scheme is going to be perfect for your custom.

Valentine’s Day is coming, folks. Wouldn’t this be the perfect gift? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Rocky B  wrote:
> 
> Ugh .  Just the bike I was looking for but unfortunately can’t pull the 
> trigger right now.  Such a beautiful Betty and a perfect build for my wife.  
> Whoever buys it will be very lucky.
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[RBW] Re: Ride length on Jitensha/Map type bars? Updated my Redwood.

[Kieran J]

I've done some longer (100k-ish) rides on the Soma Clarence bars, which 
have a similar but not identical shape to these. No issues came up for me 
at all running thick foam grips and MTB trigger shifters. For mixed terrain 
in particular, those are my preferred shape.

KJ


On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 3:52:35 PM UTC-8, David B wrote:
>
> Out of nothing but curiosity, I put a Jitensha bar setup that was going to 
> go on my Yves Gomez on my Redwood instead. Super comfortable, more so than 
> I remember my previous drop bar setups being. It's currently a single 
> speed, but I'll likely connect a cable to the dt shifter that's on there.
> Question then:
> Other Jitensha/Map type bar setups on road frames?
> How long do you feel comfortable on them? Full day rides?
>
> Here's my current 650b'd setup: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/B710F-BFJwP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
>
> David
> River Grove, IL
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Re: [RBW] So Close, Yet So Far

[Joe Bernard]

I had downtubers there on a mini velo once. Worked great. 

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Re: [RBW] So Close, Yet So Far

[Patrick Moore]

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:17 PM lconley  wrote:

> There are shifter bosses on both sides of the headtube. It is a drop bar
> bike. Downtube shifters are a little to far to reach for me these days, I
> don't really like bar end shifters, stem shifters seem a little high and
> the shifter cables never look right when they are long enough to allow
> turning, so I had them put on the headtube. They will be close enough to
> reach and will have very short cables that do not turn with the handlebars.
>

Very interesting; have you used dt shifters so located before? I'll be very
interested in hearing how you like them once the bike is built.


> This is an old fat man's road bike, sort of in the 60s - 70s "racing"
> style. No racks or fenders or kickstand or eyelets. Rene Herse center
> pulls. But with 48mm tires and a long wheelbase and the drop bars are
> mounted high. Just for riding for the fun of riding. I have handlebar bags
> and seat bags (in tweed) if I need to carry anything on event rides -
> centuries or?
>

I approve! The only thing it needs in addition is an AM-hub drivetrain.

Again, it looks not only beautiful but intriguing, and I'll be interested
in further reports.

Patrick Moore, who even now is having an AM wheel built -- and is wondering
where to put the shifter.

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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[Roberta]

That's a beautiful shade of orange.  Awsome detail on the lug paint.  
You'll have to remember to look down at it only when not movinG

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> My Custom is almost ready
>
> [image: Custom.png]
>
> Laing
> Delray FL
>
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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[Dave Grossman]

> I thought this was going to be a thread about the Metallica black 
> album...
>

Thats awesome Laing! 

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[RBW] Re: Not quite as close, ready for paint

[Roberta]

Joe,

What color are you painting it?  All I know is that the lug cutouts will be 
red.  

Roberta

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Yes and the numbers are surprisingly close to yours although I'm shorter. 
> But I specified a very upright position to accommodate my bad right hand, I 
> suspect the headtube is way up there and tipped back. 

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Re: [RBW] So Close, Yet So Far

[lconley]

There are shifter bosses on both sides of the headtube. It is a drop bar 
bike. Downtube shifters are a little to far to reach for me these days, I 
don't really like bar end shifters, stem shifters seem a little high and 
the shifter cables never look right when they are long enough to allow 
turning, so I had them put on the headtube. They will be close enough to 
reach and will have very short cables that do not turn with the handlebars.

This is an old fat man's road bike, sort of in the 60s - 70s "racing" 
style. No racks or fenders or kickstand or eyelets. Rene Herse center 
pulls. But with 48mm tires and a long wheelbase and the drop bars are 
mounted high. Just for riding for the fun of riding. I have handlebar bags 
and seat bags (in tweed) if I need to carry anything on event rides - 
centuries or?

It might show up as the same time as the Gus Boots Willsen. Now that's a 
high quality problem - which one do I work on

Laing

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 1:38:06 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lovely. Please explain what looks like a shifter boss on the left side of 
> the head tube ...?
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:44 AM lconley > 
> wrote:
>
>> My Custom is almost ready
>>
>> [image: Custom.png]
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray FL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Backabike bags versus Ortlieb Sports Packer Classics: practical capacity and ease of closure

[Patrick Moore]

Perhaps one day Rivendell will make a bigger brother (or sister) to the
Backabikes; I'll bite then.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 11:50 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks, Joe; saw both pairs. I like the crisp new look of the Bikeabags
> and what seems to be the much stiffer canvas, so I'll hold off for now.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 1:13 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> You might want to take a look at a recent FS post here that lists
>> Baggins, Tubus, etc. He forgot to list them with a price, but his photo
>> link shows Sackville rear bags I've never seen before. They look big and
>> someone attached modern plastic sliders on the back.
>>
>> Or contact me! I have a way vintage Baggins set that also has sliders
>> added (Arkel) that I'm not using at the moment. I'll send pics and we can
>> hash out a deal if you're interested.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Marin County CA.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Backabike bags versus Ortlieb Sports Packer Classics: practical capacity and ease of closure

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Joe; saw both pairs. I like the crisp new look of the Bikeabags and
what seems to be the much stiffer canvas, so I'll hold off for now.



On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 1:13 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You might want to take a look at a recent FS post here that lists Baggins,
> Tubus, etc. He forgot to list them with a price, but his photo link shows
> Sackville rear bags I've never seen before. They look big and someone
> attached modern plastic sliders on the back.
>
> Or contact me! I have a way vintage Baggins set that also has sliders
> added (Arkel) that I'm not using at the moment. I'll send pics and we can
> hash out a deal if you're interested.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA.
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Re: [RBW] 55 cheviot for sale

[JAS]

Robert, thank you for your reply.  My PBH is 84; maybe that’s why it felt a 
little cramped regarding the saddle and pedal relationship.  Good luck with 
your sale!

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[RBW] Re: Not quite as close, ready for paint

[Joe Bernard]

Yes and the numbers are surprisingly close to yours although I'm shorter. But I 
specified a very upright position to accommodate my bad right hand, I suspect 
the headtube is way up there and tipped back. 

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[RBW] Re: Not quite as close, ready for paint

[lconley]

>
> Very nice. Also a combination of fillet brazing and lugs.


Laing 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville, Baggins, Tubus, Pass & Stow, Albatross, MKS

[Brencho]

Updates, price drops, or best offer:

Tubus Cargo Rack. Cut the two curvy hook things to better accommodate 
saddle bags. $60 plus shipping
Sackville Saddlesack Medium in grey ripstop fabric. $120 plus shipping.
Pass & Stow 5-rail rack, early version before they made it 
modular/take-apart-able. $110 plus shipping. 
Sackville panniers modded with mounting hardware. $80 plus shipping. 

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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, you don't have the frame yet. This explains things!

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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[lconley]

This was all they sent me. Working out the last details on the headtube 
mounted shifters (the "Yet So Far" part).
It is a long top tube, long chain stay 650B for my 6' tall, 83 PBH body. I 
actually need a custom for correct fit - I am tired of long stems and 
setback seatposts - it is somewhere around 54 seat tube, 60+ top tube with 
6 degree upsweep. The BB is filet brazed and seat lug is the Rivendell ball 
socket type because I am heavy - the seat stay connection is in compression 
instead of shear. Kind of like the Frank Jones Sr construction, but with 
Mystery Bike proportions and derailleurs.
.
I really love the outlined lugs.

Laing

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 12:34:46 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Why not a full frame pic? 

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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[Joe Bernard]

Why not a full frame pic? 

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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[phil k]

Oooh this looks like it will be fun! PLease post pics when you get it and a 
run down of your process1

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> My Custom is almost ready
>
> [image: Custom.png]
>
> Laing
> Delray FL
>
>

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[RBW] So Close, Yet So Far

['Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That is gorgeous 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Velocity Cliffhanger Wheelset - 700c - Black Rims - Shimano Dynamo Hub 36/40 - B IQ-XS Dynamo Light

[David B]

Light is sold. Wheelset still available. Lowering to $325 plus shipping.
David

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-6, David B wrote:
>
> Had these on my Clem that I've been using for kid-haulin' to local parks - 
> no serious miles on these. Kids are getting bigger, so switching to a 
> trail-a-bike and/or trailer for the coming season, so no need for this 
> burly wheelset and I've been keeping the previous wheelset to swap in/out 
> different tires easily, but that never happened.
> Odd ball combo of black, non-machined sidewalls and silver hubs/spokes.
> I built these myself - I am NOT a pro wheelbuilder, however I've been 
> building wheels for many years for my own builds and bikes I used to rehab 
> and sell. 
> Very light miles on these - I bought the non-machined sidewalls figuring 
> the brake tracks would wear through the anodized black finish right away, 
> however only the rear is starting to show anodizing wear.
>
> Built up with:
>
> Velocity Cliffhanger Rims - black, non-machined sidewalls, 36h front, 40h 
> rear
> Shimano DH-3N72 Dynamo Hub, silver finish
> Wheelmaster 'Tandem' Hub - 40h, polished silver finish, 135mm width
> Sapim Spokes - double-butted, silver
> QR Skewers included
>
> $350 plus shipping for the wheelset.
> Photos of the whole bike awhile back - 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq0gvDFlXY0/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
> will take some new photos and email for anyone interested.
>
> Also have:
>
> Busch & Muller IQ-XS Dynamo Head Light
> Silver, new in packaging.
> Was going to use this to replace a smaller light, again never happened.
> Purchased from Riv a while back. This one: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/iq-xs-1?_pos=1&_sid=6470b44ab&_ss=r
> $90 shipped in US.
>
> Contact offlist
>

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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[Christopher Murray]

Supercool! We definitely need pics when it is built. Congrats!

Chris

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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[lambbo]

oh my heart stopped, beautiful!  

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
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> My Custom is almost ready
>
> [image: Custom.png]
>
> Laing
> Delray FL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: So Close, Yet So Far

[jtallman]

Interesting shifter boss location!

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> My Custom is almost ready
>
> [image: Custom.png]
>
> Laing
> Delray FL
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 55 cm Betty Foy

[Rocky B]

Ugh .  Just the bike I was looking for but unfortunately can’t pull the 
trigger right now.  Such a beautiful Betty and a perfect build for my wife.  
Whoever buys it will be very lucky.

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[RBW] Re: Backabike bags versus Ortlieb Sports Packer Classics: practical capacity and ease of closure

[Tom Wyland]

My two cents: I haven't used the Backabike, but I commuted for many years 
with a Sackville large saddlebag and no-name canvas panniers with 
drawstring and plastic buckle closure (similar to Carridice Super C).  I'm 
currently commuting with a set of new Ortlieb High Visibility Roll-tops 
(front).  The roll-top closure isn't may favorite. I prefer being able to 
flip open the pannier instead of unrolling it.  The rolling and buckling 
part just drives me nuts for some reason. Probably because it takes two 
hands and is difficult to do on the bike (with my front rack setup). With 
my model the shoulder strap is also part of the closure, clipping down low 
on the front of the bag.  I do however like the positive clip-on Orlieb 
attachment system (QL-2? or 3?), but man, it seems awfully delicate and 
generally not sturdy.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Mark Roland]

If you lived there before 1938, you wouldn't have;^)

On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 8:30:43 PM UTC-5, Scott Calhoun wrote:
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> Point taken Jack—if I lived in Seattle, I might feel differently about 
> dryers. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Backabike bags versus Ortlieb Sports Packer Classics: practical capacity and ease of closure

[Joe Bernard]

You might want to take a look at a recent FS post here that lists Baggins, 
Tubus, etc. He forgot to list them with a price, but his photo link shows 
Sackville rear bags I've never seen before. They look big and someone attached 
modern plastic sliders on the back. 

Or contact me! I have a way vintage Baggins set that also has sliders added 
(Arkel) that I'm not using at the moment. I'll send pics and we can hash out a 
deal if you're interested.

Joe Bernard
Marin County CA.  

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