[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Joe Bernard]

It's gorgeous. The very first Riv I ever saw live in person was in San 
Francisco and looked just liked that, a yellow/gold/mustard Road or 
LongLow. It's a lot of money but somebody needs to build that frame up and 
ride it. 

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:44:38 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Me too! A mustard custom! Didn't like the color? I have one...I think it's 
> a great color
>
> I love those Royal Gran Compe brakes...nice NOS Ritchey cranks...meh on 
> the  bars. 
>
> Ran out of money? Not impossible considering the last 2 years. Or having a 
> tough time chasing down the rest of the build
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 4:06:51 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'd love to know THAT story. At first I balked at "NOS Rivendell" cuz how 
>> is that possible, but there really is no sign this frame ever carried 
>> wheels, brakes and derailers. Sheesh! 
>>
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:55:28 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Custom/Vintage F/F/HS & parts 
>>> 58cm 
>>> 5000 (!?) 
>>> Worcester, MA 
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/115324851726 
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank Jones Sr. 
>>> 59cm 
>>> 1800 
>>> Lafayette, CA 
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/lafayette-rivendell-frank-jones-59cm/7466106763.html
>>>  
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Joe Bernard]

I'd love to know THAT story. At first I balked at "NOS Rivendell" cuz how 
is that possible, but there really is no sign this frame ever carried 
wheels, brakes and derailers. Sheesh! 

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:55:28 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Custom/Vintage F/F/HS & parts
> 58cm
> 5000 (!?)
> Worcester, MA
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/115324851726
>
>
> Frank Jones Sr.
> 59cm
> 1800
> Lafayette, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/lafayette-rivendell-frank-jones-59cm/7466106763.html
>
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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Joe Bernard]

Clem L, 52, LimeOlive

Lordy that's a pretty bike. Too big for his wife, we're going to see a 
bunch of these, people are surprised how dang stretched these frames have 
become. 


https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/santa-clara-rivendell-clem-52/7465872103.html



On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:57:28 AM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Roadini
> 54cm
> $1800
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-54cm-rivendell-roadini-road/7450820256.html
>
>
> Rambouillet
> 54cm
> $1350
> Portland, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-rambouillet-54cm/7450919755.html
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Joe Bernard]

Oh. I didn't know it was a joke. That's a weird joke. Not a fan of this 
dumb day. 

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:17:07 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> The F-250 comment gave it away as an April Fool's Day joke. haha
>
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:37:25 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That's hardcore 👊
>>
>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:24:38 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I swooped it up immediately. I live in LA but I took a quick flight up 
>>> to the Bay to snag it. Too good a deal to pass up. Riding it back down to 
>>> LA now. I’ll post pics soon!
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2022, at 3:34 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> That price barely covers the wheels and tires!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:17:34 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> All right, which one of you jokers did it? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-cheviot/7465623523.html
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Joe Bernard]

That's hardcore 👊

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:24:38 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I swooped it up immediately. I live in LA but I took a quick flight up to 
> the Bay to snag it. Too good a deal to pass up. Riding it back down to LA 
> now. I’ll post pics soon!
>
> Joe
>
> On Apr 1, 2022, at 3:34 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> That price barely covers the wheels and tires!
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:17:34 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> All right, which one of you jokers did it? 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-cheviot/7465623523.html
>>  
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Joe Bernard]

That price barely covers the wheels and tires!

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:17:34 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> All right, which one of you jokers did it?
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-cheviot/7465623523.html
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS. V-O 31.8 black riser bar, vegan saddle

[Joe Bernard]

All sold. 

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 4:56:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Saddle sold. Buy my bars!
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Two leftovers from a project that got sold before anything was mounted. 
>>
>> Seine Bar $70 shipped
>>
>> https://velo-orange.com/products/seine-bar
>>
>> Smooth touring saddle $45 shipped
>>
>> https://velo-orange.com/products/smooth-touring-saddle-wide
>>
>> Email or text for pics but they're new, looks like the product pages. 
>> Joe Bernard
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>> 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS. V-O 31.8 black riser bar, vegan saddle

[Joe Bernard]

Saddle sold. Buy my bars!

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Two leftovers from a project that got sold before anything was mounted. 
>
> Seine Bar $70 shipped
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/seine-bar
>
> Smooth touring saddle $45 shipped
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/smooth-touring-saddle-wide
>
> Email or text for pics but they're new, looks like the product pages. 
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
> 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
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[RBW] FS. V-O 31.8 black riser bar, vegan saddle

[Joe Bernard]

Two leftovers from a project that got sold before anything was mounted. 

Seine Bar $70 shipped

https://velo-orange.com/products/seine-bar

Smooth touring saddle $45 shipped

https://velo-orange.com/products/smooth-touring-saddle-wide

Email or text for pics but they're new, looks like the product pages. 
Joe Bernard
joeremi62 gmail com
415 786 4623

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[RBW] Re: Which RBW model (current or former) is best for light touring?

[Joe Bernard]

My bad, I misunderstood the situation. 

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 10:03:29 AM UTC-7 Forrest wrote:

> I have a 60 cm Platypus. Previous Homer (from many years ago) in 59 fit me 
> well. Same with Hillborne in 55 (current canti version) that I’ve ridden. 
> Current Homer, I’m not sure, but I think 54.5. I’m 5’10” with 85-86 PBH and 
> like saddle height of about 76. So the 51’s would be too small for me. 
>
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 11:56:23 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You need to look at PBH sizing and effective toptube numbers to find your 
>> size in Sam and Homer, the seattubes will now be in the 51cm range for you. 
>> Great bikes which will cover your needs well, plus I would consider the 
>> Platypus if you want low stepover and canti/v-brakes in a road-ish frame. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 9:25:00 AM UTC-7 Forrest wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been looking at various RBW models, current and former, trying to 
>>> find one well-suited to light touring (2-4 days light camping) and/or 
>>> credit-card touring. Something that also is suitable for group/club 
>>> non-competitive road/pavement rides. 
>>>
>>> Something lighter than an Atlantis or Joe Appaloosa. Maybe more like a 
>>> Sam Hillborne or A. Homer Hilsen. Canti or V brakes would be okay (but 
>>> maybe not necessary), and sidepulls would be fine for my purposes, I think. 
>>>
>>> I know new models of Sam and Homer are not available in my size (55 and 
>>> 54.5). So may look at used, or early-generation models of the AHH. 
>>>
>>> Thoughts and advice welcome, thanks.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Which RBW model (current or former) is best for light touring?

[Joe Bernard]

You need to look at PBH sizing and effective toptube numbers to find your 
size in Sam and Homer, the seattubes will now be in the 51cm range for you. 
Great bikes which will cover your needs well, plus I would consider the 
Platypus if you want low stepover and canti/v-brakes in a road-ish frame. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 9:25:00 AM UTC-7 Forrest wrote:

> I’ve been looking at various RBW models, current and former, trying to 
> find one well-suited to light touring (2-4 days light camping) and/or 
> credit-card touring. Something that also is suitable for group/club 
> non-competitive road/pavement rides. 
>
> Something lighter than an Atlantis or Joe Appaloosa. Maybe more like a Sam 
> Hillborne or A. Homer Hilsen. Canti or V brakes would be okay (but maybe 
> not necessary), and sidepulls would be fine for my purposes, I think. 
>
> I know new models of Sam and Homer are not available in my size (55 and 
> 54.5). So may look at used, or early-generation models of the AHH. 
>
> Thoughts and advice welcome, thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Joe Bernard]

Hunqapillar frame
51cm
Very rare gray/orange

Once upon a time this would have been an instant buy for me but my 
bike-buying days are over. Snap it up!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Hunqapillar-frameset-size-51-with-Paul-brakes-/125231635490?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 8:16:06 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hunquapillar
> 62cm
> 3700
> Santa Fe, NM
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/304419352111
>

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[RBW] Re: Note To Future Clem L Buyers

[Joe Bernard]

The reversed brake levers mirror the reversed thumbies so you don't end up 
with a shift lever jammed into the protruding end of a clamp. If you really 
do want to swap them it's easy to release the cables at the lever (brakes): 
unhook the v-brakes, then pull the now-slack cable out of the lever and 
swap 'em 👍

Joe Bernard

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 4:57:59 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I was able to grab a 52 Clem L from Crust when they listed them on Wed and 
> it was delivered today. I had zero idea that Crust was close to me! It came 
> late so I only got it out of the box and roughly together.  A note to those 
> looking to buy one of these later this year from Rivendell. They offer the 
> option of pulling the bikes and going over them (making small adjustments 
> and such) then reboxing before shipping to you. I have no idea if that cost 
> money but if so pay whatever it costs. These do not come straight from 
> Taiwan in ready to go shape. The brakes are not set up properly at all. 
> Cables were crossed where they shouldn't be crossed. I had to remove loads 
> of stuff and put them back on. If you are good to do it all on your own or 
> if you are taking it right to a shop then you can skip it. Otherwise have 
> them go over it.
>
> A few initial thoughts:
>
>- I wish they would have stayed with the big pulley Altus derailleur. 
>The one they have on this is nice and all but just doesn't look as sweet.  
>I know that means using friction shifters vs index BUT
>- This thing should come with friction shifters vs the trigger guy. It 
>just should. I am going to throw on some of those clicky friction guys 
> they 
>used to use.
>- These Tektro brake levers that are on the most current batch are 
>huge and ugly. They have that plastic chrome look. I know that this is a 
>bike that uses affordable stuff where it makes sense but there is a line 
>for me. These have to go and ALSO
>- I don't understand the backwards mounted brake levers. I understand 
>with the thumbshifters but I don't get why the screws should go on the 
>outside.  And once they are all wired up there is no easy switching them 
>back.
>- The toscos look right up my alley. I was going to throw some Billie 
>bars on this but the tosco bars are going to stay for awhile. 
>- I think they should stop including the 50 reflectors, kickstand, and 
>cheap plastic bell and bring back the composite clem pedals they used to 
>include
>
> I am pumped to get it up and running. Until I get the friction shifters on 
> I am going to move that trigger guy down next to the stem like Will 
> suggests. I'm always up to try something new and it seems wise to get that 
> thing further away from all the places I grip.
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem wheel woes: To rebuild or not to build...

[Joe Bernard]

4. Have your shop return the front wheel to a non-dyno hub. I think the 
main reason to try to drop significant weight from a Clem wheelset is to 
counteract the gain in a SON and headlamp, if you're pulling those 
weight-gainers out then it's probably enough to give your bike the 
sprightliness you need. At the end of the day a Clem is never going to be a 
superlight, you just need a little weight reduction boost on the hills. In 
my opinion. 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:49:09 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> Help! I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... I have a size 45 Clem complete 
> that I adore, purchased in the last Riv lottery. I wanted dynamo lighting 
> so I had my local bike shop rebuild the stock front wheel with a SON hub. 
> My clem feels quick enough for me - I'm a slow rider, and the weight 
> doesn't bother me, except for when I'm riding uphill, and there are a lot 
> of hills where I live. Still, I have wheel fomo, and I can't stop thinking 
> about how good the Clem could be if I were to put on different wheels than 
> the stock wheels.
>
> I'm considering a bunch of options, with the top ones being:
>
> 1. Get a set of new, relatively lightweight wheels without Dyno for 
> daytime riding (which is what I mostly do anyway). Keep Clem stock wheels 
> for when I really need the Dyno. I'd have two sets of wheels. 
>
> 2. Get new rims (Velocity Cliffhangers?) and salvage the SON hub - Rich 
> can use the hub in rebuilding the front wheel. This leaves me with an extra 
> Clem stock rear wheel. 
>
> 3. Be happy with what I have.
>
> What would you do?
>
> Sofie
>
>

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[RBW] Re: $500 Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

That's a good question. My policy is no smash-and-grabs, if the bike is 
priced too low I make sure the seller is on the up and up and knows what 
they have. If at that point they're clear they really just want it out of 
the garage then I'll move forward.*

*I did not talk to the seller, I need fewer bikes than I have already have. 

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 5:12:38 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> We’ve always sold at fair prices on this forum, I have no issue with 
> someone telling him it is worth more.  My only question is would he have 
> told him that if he would have shipped it? 
>
> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 6:21:13 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dang, I was hoping someone got it for a sweet deal. Too bad the person 
>> asking for shipping ruined it for the next buyer. 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 1:38:53 PM UTC-4 J wrote:
>>
>>> No. The seller was contacted by someone from this group wanting him to 
>>> ship it. When he said it was local pickup only the person told him then he 
>>> should sell it for much more. Congrats to whomever that was. Let this one 
>>> rest. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:30:12 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anybody here nab this?
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 7:57:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's still dicey but if he's come to a place of just needing it gone, 
>>>>> that number should do it. I've done sales like that. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 4:42:21 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually , Joe...you are right...I didn't see what he wrote about the 
>>>>>> bike at first glance when I posted earlier
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feels like it should be worth more...someone is getting that bike at 
>>>>>> a nice price
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: $500 Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

It's still dicey but if he's come to a place of just needing it gone, that 
number should do it. I've done sales like that. 



On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 4:42:21 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Actually , Joe...you are right...I didn't see what he wrote about the bike 
> at first glance when I posted earlier
>
> Feels like it should be worth more...someone is getting that bike at a 
> nice price
>

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Joe Bernard]

It's weird but the description is written like he knows exactly what he 
has. If he's the original owner and knocking the selling price down from 
what he paid all those years ago it could make sense. Especially if his 
area isn't a good market for Rivbikes. 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:32:49 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> $500 for that Atlantis listed as a Road Standard? In pretty good shape? 
> I'd be asking questions; not really much info aside from the photos but 
> looks like a standard Riv build. Too good to be true?
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 4:59:18 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Sam Hillborne
>> 62cm
>> $1600
>> Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/255444602628
>>
>>
>> Atlantis
>> 58cm
>> $500
>> Sun City, AZ
>>
>> https://bicyclebluebook.com/marketplace/buy-now/2005-rivendell-road-standard-55357
>
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[RBW] Re: FS 1.5 Riv Sweaters and some hats

[Joe Bernard]

RBW Blue Lug hat back on the market, it doesn't look right on me, same $60 
shipped I paid Bones. 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 6:26:34 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> Both hats claimed, sweaters still available.
>
> Bones
>
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:33:56 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> RBW hat has been claimed.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> All items including shipping CONUS.
>>>
>>> Tragically, my new size large William and Ringo sweater from Riv's last 
>>> batch found it's way into the wash and is now even smaller than a medium. 
>>> It was worn once, and I will sell it for about half off (let's say $65 
>>> shipped).
>>>
>>> I also have a brand new never worn medium William and Ringo sweater. I 
>>> would like what I paid for it plus shipping ($120 shipped).
>>>
>>> A Blue Lug RBW cycle cap in coyote. Brand new; too large for my tiny 
>>> head ($60 shipped)
>>>
>>> A Blue Lug Work Hat in grey... also brand new and too large for me ($60 
>>> shipped)
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking!
>>> Bones
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Drop bar - Fit question

[Joe Bernard]

Dang it, I wish there was a way to edit these things. I'd swap the post 
first and see what you think. You may end up happy with the reach without 
changing anything else. 



On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 11:39:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Since no one with more knowledge than dumb-old me has answered yet: I 
> don't know anything about hamstrings and quads but I do know that is indeed 
> a very setback post you're using on a rather slack seattube. Considering 
> that you're also using a short stem I think you could keep your current 
> reach by shifting your whole body forward. Maybe not a zero-setback post, 
> I'm thinking a Nitto S65 post and 7cm stem.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 8:24:22 PM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Group , need your thoughts on drop bar fit . I recently bought homer 
>> Hilsen ( most recent batch ) . I have short torso but long legs and arms . 
>> My height is 5’8.5 ish and pbh is 86.5. I have homer in 54.5 , which has tt 
>> of 57.5. I am running a short stem 50mm and nitto m151(75 mm reach) . I am 
>> also using nitto lugged seat post , which I understand has a lot of set 
>> back.The reach seems to be working fine , however I do find my hamstrings 
>> are getting taxed way more than I like compared to my quads especially on 
>> climbs in the saddle . My understanding is that homer has a slack seat tube 
>> angle of 71.5. Will running a zero set back seatpost help ? Has anybody run 
>> zero setback posts on rivs. I understand that general recommendation is to 
>> have more set back .
>>
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[RBW] Re: Drop bar - Fit question

[Joe Bernard]

Since no one with more knowledge than dumb-old me has answered yet: I don't 
know anything about hamstrings and quads but I do know that is indeed a 
very setback post you're using on a rather slack seattube. Considering that 
you're also using a short stem I think you could keep your current reach by 
shifting your whole body forward. Maybe not a zero-setback post, I'm 
thinking a Nitto S65 post and 7cm stem.

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 8:24:22 PM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Group , need your thoughts on drop bar fit . I recently bought homer 
> Hilsen ( most recent batch ) . I have short torso but long legs and arms . 
> My height is 5’8.5 ish and pbh is 86.5. I have homer in 54.5 , which has tt 
> of 57.5. I am running a short stem 50mm and nitto m151(75 mm reach) . I am 
> also using nitto lugged seat post , which I understand has a lot of set 
> back.The reach seems to be working fine , however I do find my hamstrings 
> are getting taxed way more than I like compared to my quads especially on 
> climbs in the saddle . My understanding is that homer has a slack seat tube 
> angle of 71.5. Will running a zero set back seatpost help ? Has anybody run 
> zero setback posts on rivs. I understand that general recommendation is to 
> have more set back .
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[RBW] Re: Choco bar / brake lever advice?

[Joe Bernard]

Good catch, Bill. Yep, mine are 23.8 and I think the Porteur bars I was 
going to use must have been, too..I didn't remember that either came in 
that size. Whoops! 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 9:49:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Joe and Keith
>
> Make sure between yourselves that the clamp diameter and bar diameter 
> match.  The brakelevers pictured in the OP were probably 23.8mm (what 
> Patrick Moore correctly referred to as "road levers").  The Choco bars that 
> Keith is trying to fit will want a 22.2mm clamp diameter.  If Joe's levers 
> are already 22.2, then you're good to go.  If Joe's levers are 23.8mm, then 
> Keith will have to find other bands (totally doable) or fashion a shim 
> arrangement.  That same "mismatch" is what Patrick Moore was describing 
> when he found a bent part of his Ahearne bars that allow the "road" levers 
> to mount securely.  That workaround works well when it does.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 8:27:30 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Thanks so much, Joe.   I'll send you a PM.  It does look like these might 
>> work.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:58:12 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Keith, 
>>>
>>> I have these levers, bought from V-O to use with their Porteur bars but 
>>> never got as far as hooking cables to brakes (I must have sold the bike). 
>>> Here's a not-terribly-clear mockup of what you want to do on Billie Bars, I 
>>> think it'll work. They're short-pull for canti or road and there's a ton of 
>>> room for lever travel. If you put the clamp at the front of your Chocos you 
>>> should be able to get the curve of the lever lined up with the curve in the 
>>> bar. 
>>>
>>> These are new, you can have them for $20 shipped if you don't already 
>>> have a source, I'm never going to use them. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 6:42:32 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any experience with these L-shaped Dia Compe brake 
>>>> levers intended for bullhorn-style handlebars, but perhaps suitable for 
>>>> installation on a choco (or moustache) bars?   Do they work well (provide 
>>>> adequate leverage, easy to reach, enough movement  without bottoming out 
>>>> against the bar)?  Would they work with choco bars?  If so, would they 
>>>> work 
>>>> better installed one direction versus another?  It seems they could be 
>>>> installed with the hinge on the front section, forward of the bend, as 
>>>> easily as at the end.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.euroasiaimports.com/productcart/pc/Dia-Compe-DC139-Brake-Lever-p14878.htm
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to replace one of my numerous moustache bars with a choco 
>>>> moose bar - mostly for the sake of variety, but partly because I thought 
>>>> they'd be almost identical with the exception of the primary and secondary 
>>>> grip positions being reversed - but it isn't quite working out that way.  
>>>>
>>>> Because the choco doesn't bend forward before coming back, and because 
>>>> the fixed "stem" reach is effectively short, my hands want to rest at the 
>>>> curve even in my upright/relaxed body position - so basically like a 
>>>> moustache bar without a leaned-forward, aero, position and with the 
>>>> relaxed/default position being forward of the straight section where a 
>>>> normal brake lever would mount.  (Hope that makes sense)
>>>>
>>>> Combined with the fact that it's difficult to even find straight bar 
>>>> brake levers at the moment  I'm wondering if these might work by giving me 
>>>> access to  the brakes from multiple grip locations.  I suppose I could try 
>>>> drop bar levers mounted forward of the curve, but that kind of defeats the 
>>>> point of getting rid of the moustache bar, when I could achieve something 
>>>> similar with a shorter stem.
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

[Joe Bernard]

Moving the shifter shouldn't be a problem, I suspect you simply don't have 
quite what you need to index-shift that low-normal mech. 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 1:56:33 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting. Will moving the shifter location on the handlebar generally 
> require a cable adjustment? I’ve been playing quite a bit with where I want 
> those shifters.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 28, 2022, at 8:37 AM, James Valiensi  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As a matter of fact, derailleur cables do not stretch. The forces involved 
> in shifting are many orders of magnitude lower than the yield stress 
> required to stretch the cable. What actually happens is that inside liner 
> of the cable housing wears and causes the cable to become looser. 
> Generally, a half turn out of the cable tension adjuster will compensate 
> for this.
>
> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not 
> familiar with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
>
> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear 
> on a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the 
> adjuster counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; 
> clockwise to move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the 
> cassette, you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is 
> correct.
>
> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use the 
> one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those kind 
> so I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a few 
> turns this way and that. Good luck! 
>
> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my 
>> Clem with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
>> rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
>> can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
>> derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
>> deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.
>>
>>
>> *Components:*
>> Rivendell Platypus 
>> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
>> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
>> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
>>
>>
>> *Specific symptoms:*
>> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
>> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
>>
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
>> Drew. LA
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[RBW] Re: Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

[Joe Bernard]

I'd look for a loose chain first, it might be too stretched in the middle 
gears where there's not much angle on it. Next is a sticky cable, it might 
be binding in the housing. 

Also if you're using a Microshift 9 thumb shifter I've found some are less 
than awesome. They don't recenter as well as Shimano, so you can end up 
with the shift kinda sticking wherever you pushed it instead of settling 
back to center over the chosen cog. 

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 4:10:24 PM UTC-8 Drw wrote:

> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
> rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
> can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
> derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
> deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.
>
> *Components:*
> Rivendell Platypus 
> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
>
>
> *Specific symptoms:*
> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
> Drew. LA
>

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[RBW] Re: Chocomoose vs. Bosco?

[Joe Bernard]

Having used both (and BoscoMoose): Bosco all day unless you're absolutely 
positively sure the CM is going to be right for height and reach and angle. 
The only thing I ended liking about ChocoMoose was they looked great. 

Joe Bernard

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 1:58:43 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi all, I'm trying to decide between the Chocomoose and the Nitto B353 
> "Bosco" bars. 
>
> What are the advantages and disadvantages of each? Do you have a distinct 
> preference for one over the other, and why? Is one set of bars better 
> suited for a specific type of ride, or are they "six of one, half-dozen of 
> the other?"
>
>
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Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

Speaking of...it's about time for someone to start a new version of this 
thread. This one is purty dang long. 



On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 5:04:10 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> "It's a long drive to right field, going deep and this thread is *outta 
> here!*"
>
> I get the rationale behind the one-by drive train and certainly the 
> satisfaction of filling your recycling bin with front derailers. And 
> nothing against 'em! If you get by on a one-by that's all right by me. 
>
> My thinking: "That massive cassette is absurdly big! It's almost like a 
> middle finger to front mechs everywhere! What do people have against front 
> mechs, anyway?"  
>
> Okay, then. I'm heading to Etsy to look for stickers that say COME AND 
> TAKE IT with little front derailer sillhouettes on them. 
>
> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 6:23:06 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Did that, too. Rohloff Speedhub for the win! 🏆
>>
>> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 2:16:46 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Better still, switch to an IGH. No front *or* rear derailleur!
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2022, at 11:48 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> "I just don't understand what people have against front mechs."
>>>
>>> A dropped chain if you're lucky, a chain jammed between the chainring 
>>> and chainstay if you're not. Plus eliminating it gets rid of the need to 
>>> trim, a thing that always annoyed me. My Riv Custom is 1x, no more front 
>>> derailers for me. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just don't understand what people have against front mechs
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 1:15:09 PM UTC-5 samwe...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> holy mackerel, get a load of that cassette!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 10:27:24 AM UTC-6 Matthew Williams 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bleriot
>>>>>> 59cm
>>>>>> $2500
>>>>>> San Francisco, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-bleriot-59/7450454742.html
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

Mine is 36t front, 11-50 rear. That's all ya need 👍



On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 12:22:11 PM UTC-8 mas...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:

> As rear cassettes get more cogs and chains get narrower, front Derailleur 
> cages also get narrower, this causes rubbing problems to be exacerbated, 
> especially when the chain gets to the small-small or big-big combinations.
> Fat tires make the problem worse.
> I would say in this instance the medium size front ring and Huge back cog 
> might have infringed on the owners enjoyment of the bike?  Simply dropping 
> the front ring to 36t(?) and mounting a smaller cassette would have dropped 
> at least a pound and livelied up that bike considerably!
>
>
> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 12:54:28 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just don't understand what people have against front mechs
>
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Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

"I just don't understand what people have against front mechs."

A dropped chain if you're lucky, a chain jammed between the chainring and 
chainstay if you're not. Plus eliminating it gets rid of the need to trim, 
a thing that always annoyed me. My Riv Custom is 1x, no more front 
derailers for me. 

Joe Bernard 
On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just don't understand what people have against front mechs
>
> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 1:15:09 PM UTC-5 samwe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> holy mackerel, get a load of that cassette!
>>
>> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 10:27:24 AM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Bleriot
>>> 59cm
>>> $2500
>>> San Francisco, CA
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-bleriot-59/7450454742.html
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Roadini formerly owned by Grant Petersen

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, I had this size frame and 56.5 straight across sounds about right. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 5:41:24 PM UTC-8 ezra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Brady :)
>
> I just measured the top-tube from center of seat-tube to the center of 
> head-tube and it measured about 54.7cm
>
> And I believe since it has a slightly upward sloping top tube, the 56.5cm 
> measurement is the "effective" top tube length, as mentioned above and in 
> the geometry link. Thanks for that Damien.
>
> On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:46:02 AM UTC-8 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> Hi Ezra,
>>
>> Any idea on the TT measurements for this model? 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brady
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 6:01:11 PM UTC-7 ezra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately the day has come... I'm low on space/money and must sell 
>>> my beloved Roadini. This 2020 model was originally owned and ridden by 
>>> Grant Petersen for a few months as his personal bike. Then it was sold to 
>>> me by Rivendell as a demo at the end of 2020. Over the last year I have 
>>> made a fair share of changes and upgrades in order to make the bike fit me 
>>> better and ride a bit more sporty.
>>>
>>> -*54 cm Rivendell "Leo Roadini" Frame* (in really great shape other 
>>> than a few scuffs and nicks)
>>> -*Ritchey Zeta 700c Wheels* w/ Phantom flange removable/interchangeable 
>>> rear hub. Tubeless compatible, but run with tubes right now. Very light and 
>>> strong. Under 1500g 
>>> -*32mm Bontrager R3 Brown Sidewall Hard-Case Lite TLR Road Tire* My 
>>> favorite road tires I've ever owned. Perfect mix of fast and supple/cushy 
>>> yet puncture resistant. Still haven't flatted with these. Tubeless 
>>> compatible, but run tubed currently. Still very new. Less than 200 miles.
>>> -*42cm Soma Highway One* handle bars
>>> -*100mm Nitto Pearl Stem*. Nitto's top of the line fanciest stem.
>>> -Rivendell Silver2 Friction Shifters
>>> -FSA Duron Headset
>>> -Microshift silver double front derailler
>>> -Shimano Acera rear derailleur (scuffed and scratched a little bit)
>>> -Clipper triple crank with 50t-30t double chainring setup. (This 50t is 
>>> a bit bigger than they recommend, but it totally works and gives more 
>>> range). Tip of crank arm scratched a little.
>>> -11-32t Cassette
>>> -Tekro R559 Brakes
>>> -Shimano Brake levers
>>> -Nitto Seatpost
>>> -Newbaums bar cloth bar tape. Left side is brand new.
>>> -Saddle, bottle cages, and pedals not included
>>> *Located in Los Angeles*
>>>
>>> *$1875 *
>>> *(Local pickup preferred, but will ship if buyer pays for 
>>> packing/shipping)*
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4911.jpeg][image: IMG_4912.jpeg][image: IMG_4913.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_4915.jpeg][image: IMG_4916.jpeg][image: IMG_4917.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_4918.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah I'm officially sick of the Rivendell price gougers. There was some 
sense to it at the height of the pandemic bike boom/supply shortage, but 
it's just rude now. 

Joe Bernard

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:20:29 PM UTC-8 Sean B. wrote:

> The price on that AHH is ridiculous. You could get a brand new frame for 
> cheaper. 
>
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:18:35 PM UTC-6 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I forgot the link: 
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/los-angeles-58cm-650b-rivendell-homer/7449252554.html
>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:17:32 PM UTC-8 Matt Maceda wrote:
>>
>>> 58cm 650b Rivendell A Homer Hilsen - $2,000 (Los Angeles)
>>>
>>> "Sale includes Frameset plus Silver brakes"
>>> On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 10:53:02 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, maybe too good a deal. It was sold before I could make the call. 
>>>> Someone here snag it? I had a 64 QB a while back, but it always felt just 
>>>> a 
>>>> little too tall for me. Fun bike though. 
>>>>
>>>> Marty
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:38:45 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That QB is a good deal! I’ve been swapping messages with the seller, 
>>>>> who runs a bike shop. It’s a consignment sale, which he says is a 
>>>>> cash-only 
>>>>> deal. Not really feasible for me, being on the opposite coast, but I’d be 
>>>>> surprised if he couldn’t find a local buyer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay Lonner
>>>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 61cm Quickbeam, $1,100 in Cream Ridge, NJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/362753662336585/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 9:56:57 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone must be looking for this one, 62 hunq!: 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-hunqapillar-62/7446589184.html
>>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am so shocked that's still available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:40:29 AM UTC-5 Caroline Golum 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not need another 52cm Riv mixte but I am seriously, seriously 
>>>>>>>> tempted to inquire about that Glorius. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:03:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Mike! I continue to look at these pictures and think about 
>>>>>>>>> Lyle's Rambouillet quite a lot. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 1:28:31 AM UTC-5 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wow that is a cool art project! Just lovely.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:42:41 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No relation to seller but an exquisite 62cm Rambouillet in San 
>>>>>>>>>>> Francisco. Lots more pictures on instagram. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CZP662ePJRl/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *FOR

[RBW] Re: Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

[Joe Bernard]

It's entirely possible I've developed an 'old guy' thing about it. I used 
to own a very loud FIAT 500 Abarth which I adored, then traded for a much 
quieter Chevy Impala five years ago. I don't think I'd be ok with the yappy 
little Italian car now, I've turned into a grumpy old man who wants his 
peace. Get off my lawn!  



On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:10:14 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> The freewheel mechanisms in my hubs vary from Onyx (completely silent), 
> through Shimano (fairly quiet), DT Swiss (not so quiet), to Hope (pretty 
> loud). But I can't say that I really think about or notice hub noise when 
> I'm riding. I really only notice it when I'm servicing bikes in the garage.
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Pam!

It's quite glorious to ride..and gorgeous and built into a perfect wheel by 
Rich Lesnik at Riv and Hands On Wheels. I don't love the buzz but it's not 
a deal breaker, I'm keeping it! 
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 7:55:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I don't like the fancy, loud hubs.  I don't mind them on other people's 
> bikes but I like a quiet bike.  Just my preference.  I just want something 
> reliable that will last.  I got a Phil touring hub and asked before I got 
> it if it'd be loud.  It's whatever you like.  But how does it ride?
>
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:58:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Just back from a ride on my fancy schmancy custom with its fancy schmancy 
>> White Industries hubs. Why did I think that loud freewheeling buzz was the 
>> cool jam?? I feel like I'm on a Harley with straight pipes pissing all the 
>> neighbors off! What's the verdict around here, are buzzy hubs hip and cool 
>> and I'm a grouchy old anti-hip and cool person? 
>>
>> Joe "uncool as always" Bernard 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

[Joe Bernard]

I don't remember the question and such as and thereof. 

Joe "what's that buzzing sound" Bernard

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:10:10 AM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Are you pissing all the neighbors off, or pissing off all the neighbors?  
> I think the grammar needs to be explored as much as the hubba bubba of the 
> hubs. I am not the one to dissect the grammar though. Is off at the end of 
> a sentence a preposition?  I cannot recall.  Joe, just a gentil jab who is 
> jonesing on the cacophony of rotating steel bits. I have silent, medium and 
> kind of noisy rear hubs. Three bikes, three different hubs, but they all 
> have the same brake levers. I try and ride each one on different days. 
> Swarm of bees is the newest (my ex-GF did not like the euphemism swarm of 
> rattlesnakes which I think more closely describes buzzy hubs).   
>
> Mike SLO CA 
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 3:21:22 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I had my White hub apart this weekend and put a few drops of Finish 
>> Line (wet) on the ratchet teeth before reassembling. The hub is noticeably 
>> more quiet.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 1:18:31 PM UTC+9 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I find my Hope hubs (quite noisy when freewheeling) are useful on 
>>> bikepaths. When approaching pedestrians from behind, a quick freewheel is 
>>> usually enough to get their attention without having to ring my bell.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Choco-moose

[Joe Bernard]

The first problem is they're insanely expensive to ship for private sellers 
and you would already have a local deal if there was one out there. The 
second problem is I see no sign of Riv doing more of these (see: shipping 
issue) so this is probably your (or anyone's) best bet for owning a 
Choco-Moose. 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 2:41:21 PM UTC-8 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Doug and Eric.  I've seen them on the Rivendell site, and may end 
> up going that way, but would love to buy a used pair, if anyone has `em 
> collecting dust!
>
> (Might have sent a version of this as a private message - sorry - still 
> getting used to the posting system here!)
>
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:20:48 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> They're on the site if you search for 'em but not in the handlebars 
>> section 
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-choco-moose-bar-cromo-dulbright-54cm-16250?_pos=2&_sid=ffc888141&_ss=r
>>
>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 4:17:58 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I had Choco-moose on a Simple One and really like them. Rivendell may 
>>> have them in stock even though they aren't on the website. They did when I 
>>> bought mine.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 2:45:45 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Even though I'm going to give my Ron's Ortho bars another shot on my 
>>>> Hunq with a longer stem, I really want to try out the Choco-moose bars.  
>>>> Anybody have a set they want to let go of?  Preferably in the NY/NJ area 
>>>> so 
>>>> we don't have to deal with shipping, which I assume will be a bear...
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Happy Valentine’s Day: Triple hearts for you!

[Joe Bernard]

Geez, did I use the word "hearts" enough in that post?? I guess this is the 
day for it! 🙃



On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 1:51:14 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I have hearts, too! I think this is the same pic I posted last year but in 
> my defense I don't have any new heart bikes. Same old hearts! (I also don't 
> know how to put the pic in the post like Leah so please enjoy this lovely 
> attached screenshot 😬)
>
> This is a good opportunity for my heart story surrounding the custom, I 
> don't think I ever told it:
>
> I've been bessotted with the Riv hearts ever since they showed up on the 
> first mixtes, specifically the red ones on the Betty Foy. A couple years 
> ago I saw a Riv custom that had a dropped toptube and used the heart 
> seatlug, it was blue with a red heart and I said " THAT'S it. Whatever else 
> my custom becomes it has to have the heart lug and it has to be red." Which 
> is how I eventually arrived at this sort-of-a-mixte with a Dove Gray frame 
> and Rad Red (Joe Bell's name) fills. 
>
> Happy Valentine's Day!!! ❤️❤️❤️
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:36:08 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 2:35 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It’s time for my annual Valentine post. Hearts all around, from my trio 
>> in snowy Michigan, see next post:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 8:43:27 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Joe and Leah, 
>>> Thanks!  I’m glad you liked the photo.  Another detail you may not have 
>>> been able to see is a snappy little Corgi pin on the hat.  (That’s another 
>>> story that may show up on IG).
>>>
>>> —Joyce and Snow Buddy (“I’m elting!”)
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 6:06:39 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joyce, you’re a trooper! I love the photo and I’m glad you pointed out 
>>>> the sign language because I’d have missed that endearing detail. 
>>>> #RivSisters,
>>>> Leah
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:26 PM, JAS  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> <7AE73C28-DB3A-49D7-90DA-7CD78FAE8520.jpeg>
>>>> Snow buddies have hearts too.  Love that Clem!  (It’s hard to see, but 
>>>> the gloves are signing “I love you!”). 
>>>>
>>>> —Joyce, from the snowy NW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 1:16:08 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:15 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy Valentine’s Day! Every year I send Betty Foy hearts on this 
>>>>> forum, but this year, you get Platy hearts. Coming to you in the 2nd 
>>>>> post, 
>>>>> and hopefully not sideways. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We started the day off with a ride into town for coffee. We dashed 
>>>>> home with breakfast burritos in tow to enjoy with the boys, and not even 
>>>>> my 
>>>>> husband’s flat tire could ruin our fun. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a lovely day, everyone. I wish you bike rides and chocolate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[Joe Bernard]

I originally answered the "buzzy hub" component of this topic which I think 
hues close enough to the purpose of the list to get away with, but I'm less 
comfortable (one person's opinion, I'm not a moderator) with the extensive 
exploration of spirituality. Some of us pray while riding, too, which I'm 
not sure is a Riv Bunch discussion. 

Joe Bernard

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:36:42 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's an interesting question (the noise one related to my thread). My 
> Rohloff hub makes various noises that I find soothing, the freewheel buzz 
> on my WI hub is somewhat intrusive. So yes, I do have "Zen rides" but 
> they're not necessarily achieved through quiet. There's lots of sounds 
> external of the bike out there that contribute, too. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:19:55 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> In a talk called "Zen Reconsidered" 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCV2ShFQCWs>, Alan Watts relates a 
>> conversation he had with Horace Blyth about sitting meditation (zazen). 
>> Just a couple of Zen scholars shooting the breeze, I imagine. The gist, as 
>> I understand it, is that those who practice Zen and fixate on sitting 
>> meditation miss the whole point of Zen. The practice of Zen can be found in 
>> anything we do. Or, to be more precise, in any doing. The most intriguing 
>> example Watts (or Blyth) gives is 'riding-a-bicycle Zen'.*
>>
>> I'm curious, does this resonate with others here? What is your experience 
>> of 'riding-a-bicycle Zen'? And, per the 'Buzzy Hubs' thread, does the noise 
>> your hub makes detract from or enhance your 'riding-a-bike Zen' experience? 
>> ;)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>> *The reference comes around 1:35:25 in the talk.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[Joe Bernard]

I understand the Riv philosophy and generally agree with it, and it's what 
they do and sell. Rivendell has no reason to like everything and build 
everything so they don't, there's no business case for it. On the consumer 
end it's a free for all (if you have the money), we can buy and enjoy 
whatever-the-blazes we want. Everybody wins. 



On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-8 Scott Calhoun wrote:

> This is a good discussion. Riding mostly steel bikes with steel forks, I 
> often count myself among the anoraks here, but like the OP, I've tried some 
> new bike technology that enhances my cycling experiences. Once you know, 
> you know. Tubeless tires, brifters, and even carbon rims can be great for 
> certain riders, rides, and conditions. 
>
> Even bikes that many here would consider completely impractical, can be 
> really fun to ride and offer an interesting counter-argument to the 
> prevailing Rivendell wisdom. During the pandemic I started doing a lot of 
> long solo rides. I did them on a variety of bikes and in a variety of 
> clothing, including a bike with some aero equipment like low spoke count 
> deep carbon wheels combined with a tight fitting jersey. I went on longer 
> rides in less time and returned home feeling fresher. It was also fun. It 
> got me thinking more about the latest generation of carbon fiber racing 
> bicycles designed for aerodynamics and comfort. Someday I'd like to try a 
> bike like the Look 795 Blade or Time Scylon (made with 3km! of carbon 
> threads) just because I think they are beautifully engineered and kind of 
> bonkers. Interestingly, even in 2022, both of those are available in rim 
> brake models with mechanical shifting so in an odd way they also appeal to 
> my inner retro-grouch.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:36:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:12:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> It is; it's the British term for a windbreaker, especially the old 
>>> fashioned type with only a half-zipper. The name is borrowed from that of 
>>> an Inuit garment of similar design, I believe.
>>>
>>> I think the extension of the meaning came about because fanatical steam 
>>> train or steam waggon viewers (steam trucks were used in Britain until the 
>>> 1960s or even 1970s and there are entertaining Youtube videos of steam 
>>> waggon fairs and steam traction engines and lorries holding up traffic on 
>>> narrow English roads) often wore these anoraks in England's wet, cold 
>>> climate. 
>>>
>>>
>> Partially correct, it's from the groups of men (trainspotters) who would 
>> collect locomotive numbers and stand clustered at the ends of station 
>> platforms in the wind & rain.  The anorak is also referred to as a kagoule.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[Joe Bernard]

That's an interesting question (the noise one related to my thread). My 
Rohloff hub makes various noises that I find soothing, the freewheel buzz 
on my WI hub is somewhat intrusive. So yes, I do have "Zen rides" but 
they're not necessarily achieved through quiet. There's lots of sounds 
external of the bike out there that contribute, too. 

Joe Bernard

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:19:55 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> In a talk called "Zen Reconsidered" 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCV2ShFQCWs>, Alan Watts relates a 
> conversation he had with Horace Blyth about sitting meditation (zazen). 
> Just a couple of Zen scholars shooting the breeze, I imagine. The gist, as 
> I understand it, is that those who practice Zen and fixate on sitting 
> meditation miss the whole point of Zen. The practice of Zen can be found in 
> anything we do. Or, to be more precise, in any doing. The most intriguing 
> example Watts (or Blyth) gives is 'riding-a-bicycle Zen'.*
>
> I'm curious, does this resonate with others here? What is your experience 
> of 'riding-a-bicycle Zen'? And, per the 'Buzzy Hubs' thread, does the noise 
> your hub makes detract from or enhance your 'riding-a-bike Zen' experience? 
> ;)
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> *The reference comes around 1:35:25 in the talk.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Altus!

[Joe Bernard]

Which btw screws up my big pulley timeline a bit. I'd forgotten this mech 
had that feature, it had 
*everything *Shimano was trying to talk the public into at the time 
including the rollamijig thing for the cable routing. 
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:22:11 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Shimano Nexave, RapidRise/high-normal. Grant has a stash of them and will 
> put one on a complete build if you ask. It was a commuter/hybrid group 
> offered with a 7-speed "MegaRange" freewheel in the late '90s. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:16:37 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Speaking of big pulleys, what is this RD on this Gallop proto?
>>
>> [image: fenderson_charlie.jpeg]
>>
>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 10:19:44 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Another (slightly hilarious) theory from Shimano was that the big 
>>> pulleys masked how long the cage was, making it still look sorta short cage 
>>> (it did not do this). The road bike market in the late '90s was a little 
>>> conservative...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:03:55 PM UTC-8 velomann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoa. I have a NOS DA long-cage with the big pulleys sitting in my 
>>>> parts box. It's way prettier than that Altus. I almost put it on my custom 
>>>> Bantam but went with my tried-and-true Ultegra. Almost put it on my 
>>>> Sam...Ultegra again. Now I'm thinking it might be time to put it on The 
>>>> Bay 
>>>> as an investment in the Roaduno fund. Cuz it's definitely not going on 
>>>> THAT 
>>>> bike ;-)
>>>>
>>>> The local guy I bought it from years ago worked in a bike shop and he 
>>>> said the target clientele - I'm paraphrasing his words - was old white 
>>>> guys 
>>>> with the money to afford Dura-Ace but who wouldn't think of giving up 
>>>> their 
>>>> triple chain rings.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 1:29:38 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's fascinating about that big pulley design decision - a bit of 
>>>>> Shimano lore lost to history now - is they offered it at the low end and 
>>>>> on 
>>>>> the Dura-Ace 7703 long cage rear derailer. It never landed (back in those 
>>>>> days) on any other higher end mech in the line and didn't survive to 
>>>>> 10-speed D-A. I don't know the pulley situation now with modern Shimano, 
>>>>> but for a very long time Altus was the best derailer you could get with 
>>>>> this innovation. You had to NOT spend too much money! 
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 8:26:20 PM UTC-8 
>>>>> row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have 3 Rivendell bikes with Altus r derailleur.
>>>>>> It handles the 9spd w/ 12-36 cassette with ease on my Platypus. It's 
>>>>>> my favorite derailleur. A derailleur before it's time with large jockey 
>>>>>> wheels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022, 8:54 PM Johnny Alien  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting that this came up. I have a brand new Altus that I have 
>>>>>>> been debating about using on my upcoming build.  I was pushed into "yes 
>>>>>>> do 
>>>>>>> it" when I saw that Rivendell had put them on some Gus and Susie 
>>>>>>> builds. If 
>>>>>>> they put a $20 part on a $2000 frame then I should give it a shot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:46:39 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> High praise indeed!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/02/09/the-smoothness-of-friction/#more-8766
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Patrick Moore
>>>>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Altus!

[Joe Bernard]

Shimano Nexave, RapidRise/high-normal. Grant has a stash of them and will 
put one on a complete build if you ask. It was a commuter/hybrid group 
offered with a 7-speed "MegaRange" freewheel in the late '90s. 

Joe Bernard

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:16:37 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Speaking of big pulleys, what is this RD on this Gallop proto?
>
> [image: fenderson_charlie.jpeg]
>
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 10:19:44 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Another (slightly hilarious) theory from Shimano was that the big pulleys 
>> masked how long the cage was, making it still look sorta short cage (it did 
>> not do this). The road bike market in the late '90s was a little 
>> conservative...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:03:55 PM UTC-8 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> Whoa. I have a NOS DA long-cage with the big pulleys sitting in my parts 
>>> box. It's way prettier than that Altus. I almost put it on my custom Bantam 
>>> but went with my tried-and-true Ultegra. Almost put it on my Sam...Ultegra 
>>> again. Now I'm thinking it might be time to put it on The Bay as an 
>>> investment in the Roaduno fund. Cuz it's definitely not going on THAT bike 
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> The local guy I bought it from years ago worked in a bike shop and he 
>>> said the target clientele - I'm paraphrasing his words - was old white guys 
>>> with the money to afford Dura-Ace but who wouldn't think of giving up their 
>>> triple chain rings.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 1:29:38 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's fascinating about that big pulley design decision - a bit of 
>>>> Shimano lore lost to history now - is they offered it at the low end and 
>>>> on 
>>>> the Dura-Ace 7703 long cage rear derailer. It never landed (back in those 
>>>> days) on any other higher end mech in the line and didn't survive to 
>>>> 10-speed D-A. I don't know the pulley situation now with modern Shimano, 
>>>> but for a very long time Altus was the best derailer you could get with 
>>>> this innovation. You had to NOT spend too much money! 
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 8:26:20 PM UTC-8 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have 3 Rivendell bikes with Altus r derailleur.
>>>>> It handles the 9spd w/ 12-36 cassette with ease on my Platypus. It's 
>>>>> my favorite derailleur. A derailleur before it's time with large jockey 
>>>>> wheels.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022, 8:54 PM Johnny Alien  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting that this came up. I have a brand new Altus that I have 
>>>>>> been debating about using on my upcoming build.  I was pushed into "yes 
>>>>>> do 
>>>>>> it" when I saw that Rivendell had put them on some Gus and Susie builds. 
>>>>>> If 
>>>>>> they put a $20 part on a $2000 frame then I should give it a shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:46:39 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> High praise indeed!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/02/09/the-smoothness-of-friction/#more-8766
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Patrick Moore
>>>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[Joe Bernard]

I think what you described in your full-sus experience breaks down to "it 
didn't beat the crap outta me and that was more fun." The conventional 
wisdom from the "it's too much technology" crowd is it allows one to go too 
fast on trails, but I contend there's a strong argument for not going too 
fast but feeling safer and more comfortable. I used to to a lot of 
singletrack on rigid Bridgestones and getting knocked off the bike from a 
rock or root was not big fun for me. If I did it now I'd take the 
technology with me, then ride my Rivendell on pavement and smooth trails. 

Joe Bernard

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:21:32 AM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> So upon further reflection I’m starting to realize that the act of riding 
> my bike can get so bound up with political and aesthetic considerations 
> that I forget to have fun. Most of my biking is utilitarian commuting and 
> grocery hauling, and sometimes that can get to be a drag. There are days 
> when the weather is crummy or I have a late meeting or I slept a little too 
> long and riding my bike seems more like a chore than anything else. What 
> was eye-opening for me riding this technological wonder of a machine was 
> that it was just pure fun, in a way that I haven’t experienced on a bike 
> for a long time.
>
> More than anything else I guess this is a wake-up call to myself that I 
> can get a little too hung up on having a “pure” experience at the expense 
> of my own enjoyment. I really have no interest in super technical off-road 
> riding with huge drops or otherwise extreme terrain. It was just really 
> nice to go on a ride in beautiful surroundings and let the bike soak up the 
> bumps. I wish there was an easy way to demo other bikes that come at this 
> problem in different ways (such as a Gus or the Jones and Black Mountain 
> options mentioned upthread), but for now I’m going to remain open to the 
> possibilities and try to remind myself that while I have a lot of respect 
> for Riv/Grant there’s really no right or wrong way to have fun on a bike.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Feb 11, 2022, at 9:04 AM, Brady Smith  wrote:
>
> I regularly ride my Riv-styled BMC monster cross with a Rapha brevet 
> jersey and Rivendell MUSA pants. I like the look, the jersey is great, and 
> sometimes the pants are a welcome break from the usual lycra, especially in 
> moderate temperatures. 
>
>
> As for bikes, I too have been tempted by full-suspension mountain bikes, 
> but in the end I decided that the BMC La Cabra was probably my best bet, 
> and it's been great for the relatively mild singletrack available in the 
> greater SLC area. Not having suspension forces me to ride more slowly and 
> pick good lines, and the TRP Hylex disk brakes I have on it make speedy 
> descents viable in a way they wouldn't be on a Gus. I have thought about 
> adding a hardtail to the stable, but as I explained the idea to my wife, 
> she said, "So you're proposing to spend $4k on a bike to avoid the 3 
> minutes you spend walking out of a 3 hour mountain bike ride?" It sounds 
> kind of silly when you put it that way. 
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:28:01 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> This is an interesting subject and there have been some good replies. 
>>  Golf was mentioned.  I recall when clubs with fiberglass then later carbon 
>> fiber shafts were introduced.  They made a big difference in the game for 
>> someone with a slow, mild swing.  Later, oversized drivers came along. 
>>  They gave the skilled golfer a distinct advantage.  Sobeit 
>>
>> In the mid-70's "standard" wooden tennis rackets were supplanted with 
>> oversized net surfaces and aluminum shanks.  That advancement clearly 
>> improved the game for many tennis buffs.
>>
>> But over the years there have been attempts to push things a bit too far. 
>>  I remember when someone designed a tennis racket with soft, spaghetti-like 
>> material in the netting.   This allowed the player to put "english" on the 
>> ball that made return volleys nearly impossible and it was hastily outlawed 
>> by various amateur and professional tennis associations.
>>
>> I used to do .22 rimfire silhouette shooting back in the 70's.  Then some 
>> yahoo came along and invented a rifle with an electronic trigger wired to a 
>> laser sight that wouldn't allow the shooter to pull the trigger unless the 
>> rifle was absolutely dead-on the target.  That device, too, was outlawed. 
>>  It took the fun out of the sport and took competition down the drain.
>>
>> I could go on, but the point is...whe

Re: [RBW] Re: Altus!

[Joe Bernard]

Another (slightly hilarious) theory from Shimano was that the big pulleys 
masked how long the cage was, making it still look sorta short cage (it did 
not do this). The road bike market in the late '90s was a little 
conservative...



On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:03:55 PM UTC-8 velomann wrote:

> Whoa. I have a NOS DA long-cage with the big pulleys sitting in my parts 
> box. It's way prettier than that Altus. I almost put it on my custom Bantam 
> but went with my tried-and-true Ultegra. Almost put it on my Sam...Ultegra 
> again. Now I'm thinking it might be time to put it on The Bay as an 
> investment in the Roaduno fund. Cuz it's definitely not going on THAT bike 
> ;-)
>
> The local guy I bought it from years ago worked in a bike shop and he said 
> the target clientele - I'm paraphrasing his words - was old white guys with 
> the money to afford Dura-Ace but who wouldn't think of giving up their 
> triple chain rings.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 1:29:38 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> What's fascinating about that big pulley design decision - a bit of 
>> Shimano lore lost to history now - is they offered it at the low end and on 
>> the Dura-Ace 7703 long cage rear derailer. It never landed (back in those 
>> days) on any other higher end mech in the line and didn't survive to 
>> 10-speed D-A. I don't know the pulley situation now with modern Shimano, 
>> but for a very long time Altus was the best derailer you could get with 
>> this innovation. You had to NOT spend too much money! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 8:26:20 PM UTC-8 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have 3 Rivendell bikes with Altus r derailleur.
>>> It handles the 9spd w/ 12-36 cassette with ease on my Platypus. It's my 
>>> favorite derailleur. A derailleur before it's time with large jockey wheels.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022, 8:54 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting that this came up. I have a brand new Altus that I have 
>>>> been debating about using on my upcoming build.  I was pushed into "yes do 
>>>> it" when I saw that Rivendell had put them on some Gus and Susie builds. 
>>>> If 
>>>> they put a $20 part on a $2000 frame then I should give it a shot.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:46:39 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> High praise indeed!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/02/09/the-smoothness-of-friction/#more-8766
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Patrick Moore
>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Altus!

[Joe Bernard]

You are correct about the cog maximum, I had forgotten this. My Romulus was 
already a 105 triple bike with (I think) a 12-25 cassette, all I did was 
swap derailers. Cuz Dura-Ace man! 🙌

Joe "derailer snob" Bernard

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 11:51:40 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> Shimano tacked the 03 onto the front derailleur number for the triple 
> chainwheel version of the Dura Ace - FD-7703.
>
> The funny thing about the RD-7700 GS big pulley version was that it would 
> not shift any bigger rear gears than the regular version, both listed as 
> 29T maximum, but it would allow a wider spaced front chainrings because it 
> had greater chain wrap. 
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That's the one, I got the number wrong, I thought they tacked a 3 onto 
>> the end for the long cage model. Reality nice piece, I put one on my first 
>> Riv, a Romulus. Now my custom has a spiritual successor with its Garbaruk 
>> cage and pulleys on SRAM derailer. THAT'S some big pulleys! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 5:28:06 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> There was a new-in-box Dura-Ace 7700 GS on Ebay for big bucks, but I 
>>> still lusted after it. There was also a beat-up used one for similar money. 
>>> I did buy a Dura-Ace 7700 that was used but almost looks brand new for $51. 
>>> These are also available for high dollars, not sure who buys them. 
>>> I have, I think, 5 Altus RDs, four in silver and one in black.
>>>
>>> [image: 7700 GS.JPG]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 4:29:38 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's fascinating about that big pulley design decision - a bit of 
>>>> Shimano lore lost to history now - is they offered it at the low end and 
>>>> on 
>>>> the Dura-Ace 7703 long cage rear derailer. It never landed (back in those 
>>>> days) on any other higher end mech in the line and didn't survive to 
>>>> 10-speed D-A. I don't know the pulley situation now with modern Shimano, 
>>>> but for a very long time Altus was the best derailer you could get with 
>>>> this innovation. You had to NOT spend too much money! 
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 8:26:20 PM UTC-8 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have 3 Rivendell bikes with Altus r derailleur.
>>>>> It handles the 9spd w/ 12-36 cassette with ease on my Platypus. It's 
>>>>> my favorite derailleur. A derailleur before it's time with large jockey 
>>>>> wheels.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022, 8:54 PM Johnny Alien  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting that this came up. I have a brand new Altus that I have 
>>>>>> been debating about using on my upcoming build.  I was pushed into "yes 
>>>>>> do 
>>>>>> it" when I saw that Rivendell had put them on some Gus and Susie builds. 
>>>>>> If 
>>>>>> they put a $20 part on a $2000 frame then I should give it a shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:46:39 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> High praise indeed!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/02/09/the-smoothness-of-friction/#more-8766
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Patrick Moore
>>>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

[Joe Bernard]

"The hub or freewheel noise or lack thereof is all part of a bike's 
personality. I have loud WI freewheels and I have quiet Shimano Deore 
freehubs."

This is true. I present the discussion as a discussion because I find it 
mildly interesting, I'm afraid I've left the impression I consider it a 
real problem I need to solve. Nope! I'm just not likely to put this hub on 
another bike.

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 5:11:15 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> The hub or freewheel noise or lack thereof is all part of a bikes 
> personality. I have loud WI freewheels and I have quiet Shimano Deore 
> freehubs. I like them both. I also have a couple of Sturmey-Archer 3 speed 
> hubs that make that distinct "tick" that I remember from the "English 
> Racers" of my youth. It is all good. I do use the WI freewheels in lieu of 
> a bell sometimes when approaching pedestrians.
>
> I wonder if the unique tick of the S-A hubs has to do with them being made 
> of steel?
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:58:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Just back from a ride on my fancy schmancy custom with its fancy schmancy 
>> White Industries hubs. Why did I think that loud freewheeling buzz was the 
>> cool jam?? I feel like I'm on a Harley with straight pipes pissing all the 
>> neighbors off! What's the verdict around here, are buzzy hubs hip and cool 
>> and I'm a grouchy old anti-hip and cool person? 
>>
>> Joe "uncool as always" Bernard 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Altus!

[Joe Bernard]

What's fascinating about that big pulley design decision - a bit of Shimano 
lore lost to history now - is they offered it at the low end and on the 
Dura-Ace 7703 long cage rear derailer. It never landed (back in those days) 
on any other higher end mech in the line and didn't survive to 10-speed 
D-A. I don't know the pulley situation now with modern Shimano, but for a 
very long time Altus was the best derailer you could get with this 
innovation. You had to NOT spend too much money! 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 8:26:20 PM UTC-8 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have 3 Rivendell bikes with Altus r derailleur.
> It handles the 9spd w/ 12-36 cassette with ease on my Platypus. It's my 
> favorite derailleur. A derailleur before it's time with large jockey wheels.
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022, 8:54 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> Interesting that this came up. I have a brand new Altus that I have been 
>> debating about using on my upcoming build.  I was pushed into "yes do it" 
>> when I saw that Rivendell had put them on some Gus and Susie builds. If 
>> they put a $20 part on a $2000 frame then I should give it a shot.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:46:39 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> High praise indeed!
>>>
>>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/02/09/the-smoothness-of-friction/#more-8766
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

[Joe Bernard]

My new-to-me Rohloff (I don't think it has many miles on it) seems eerily 
quiet so it's funny to hear others say they're loud. It has some ticking 
and buzzes and vibrations in various gears (or coasting) but not very loud 
and I love all of it. 

I should emphasize I don't HATE my WI hub - it's light and pretty and 
fabulous - I just thought I'd be more into the freewheeling noise. But it's 
ok! 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 11:20:52 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I definitely don’t have that many miles on them  I’m still less than 1,000 
> miles on both of mine. I need to get out more…
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:45 PM, Mr. Ray  wrote:
>
> "My Rohloff’s are louder than I like but I put up with it since I like 
> the hubs".
>
>
>
> This means you haven't put enough miles on them.  After 20,000 miles, they 
> are silent.
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 12:09:58 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I prefer quiet hubs which is why I typically stick to Shimano. You can 
>> hear them if you try but it’s not overwhelming. It seems like there is no 
>> mechanical benefit from the extra noise so there is no need for me to 
>> switch.
>>
>> My Rohloff’s are louder than I like but I put up with it since I like the 
>> hubs.
>>
>> Robert a Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 7:58 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Just back from a ride on my fancy schmancy custom with its fancy 
>> schmancy White Industries hubs. Why did I think that loud freewheeling buzz 
>> was the cool jam?? I feel like I'm on a Harley with straight pipes pissing 
>> all the neighbors off! What's the verdict around here, are buzzy hubs hip 
>> and cool and I'm a grouchy old anti-hip and cool person? 
>>
>>
>> Joe "uncool as always" Bernard 
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[RBW] Re: Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

[Joe Bernard]

"While it makes for fine hyperbole, your equivalency with the Harley falls 
short in that your bicycle will never be as annoying or as carbon-spewing."

In my defense it was intentionally hyperbolic. A little drama, don'tcha 
know. 

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 8:44:51 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Well, I don't know if 'cool' or 'hip' really enters into it, but I think I 
> get your drift. Certainly, there is something to be said about gliding 
> through a forest quietly and being able to sneak up on unsuspecting 
> pedestrians. While it makes for fine hyperbole, your equivalency with the 
> Harley falls short in that your bicycle will never be as annoying or as 
> carbon-spewing.
>
> I, for one, like the sound of pawls and ratchets playing nicely. The sound 
> reminds me of why I like bicycles so much- their beautiful, mechanical 
> nature. I can make my hubs quiet by the simple, graceful motion of pedaling 
> or I can let them sing, 'I am a mechanical, steel being, and happy to be 
> so!' I certainly don't wish to piss off my neighbors or other riders, but I 
> am of the mind that if someone is pissed off because I'm riding a bicycle, 
> then it's their perspective that is the issue and not my spinning wheels. 
>
> That you are riding a bicycle is cool and hip, and this trumps (gosh, I 
> hate using what used to be such a wonderful word) all else.
>
> FWIW,
> John
>
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 12:58:17 PM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Just back from a ride on my fancy schmancy custom with its fancy schmancy 
>> White Industries hubs. Why did I think that loud freewheeling buzz was the 
>> cool jam?? I feel like I'm on a Harley with straight pipes pissing all the 
>> neighbors off! What's the verdict around here, are buzzy hubs hip and cool 
>> and I'm a grouchy old anti-hip and cool person? 
>>
>> Joe "uncool as always" Bernard 
>>
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[RBW] Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

[Joe Bernard]

Just back from a ride on my fancy schmancy custom with its fancy schmancy 
White Industries hubs. Why did I think that loud freewheeling buzz was the 
cool jam?? I feel like I'm on a Harley with straight pipes pissing all the 
neighbors off! What's the verdict around here, are buzzy hubs hip and cool 
and I'm a grouchy old anti-hip and cool person? 

Joe "uncool as always" Bernard 

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Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

Roberta,

Here's the geometry chart I had buried somewhere in my phone. Effective 
toptube 57.5. Do you have a 54 Homer? That bike is 57cm ETT so very close. 

Joe Bernard

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 3:19:30 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> What PBH would fit this 52 cm Glorious?  
>
> Glorius Mixte: 52cm
> $2700
> Austin, TX
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398882232009568
>
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Clem Smith Jr. L: 52cm
>> $2100
>> Athens, GA
>>
>> https://athensga.craigslist.org/bik/d/athens-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7430832354.html
>>
>>
>> Hubbuhhubbuh: Large/Medium
>> $3000
>> Indianapolis, IN
>>
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-hubbuh-hubbuh/7442843686.html
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr. L: 59cm
>> $2400
>> Indianapolis, IN 
>>
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7439900563.html
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith: 52cm
>> $2250
>> Ann Arbor, MI
>>
>> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/ann-arbor-52cm-mustard-rivendell-clem/7436783168.html
>>
>>
>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS: 48cm
>> $1300
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7442728957.html
>>
>>
>> Sam Hillborne: 51cm
>> $3500
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bik/d/kirkland-rivendell-sam-hillborne-650b/7442678714.html
>>
>>
>> A. Homer Hilsen: 64cm
>> $3200
>> Rohnert Park, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/rohnert-park-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7441960344.html
>>
>>
>> Sam Hillborne: 55cm
>> $2500
>> San Mateo, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/san-mateo-rivendell-sam-hillborne-55cm/7439587278.html
>>
>>
>> Sam Hillborne: 58cm
>> $2500
>> Oakland, CA
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1261836544329534
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr.: 60cm
>> $2200
>> Livermore, CA
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633243111274221
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr. L
>> $2500
>> Midland, MI
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/659143348411672
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr. L F/F/HS: 64cm
>> $1050
>> Annandale, VA
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/280020787439844
>>
>>
>> Glorius Mixte: 52cm
>> $2700
>> Austin, TX
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398882232009568
>>
>>
>> Appaloosa: 57cm
>> C$5000
>> Montréal, QC
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3075688719326150
>>
>>
>> Protovelo: 58cm
>> $1299
>> New York, NY
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/262568405858434
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

It's one of the clearcoat-over-raw frames Riv did in the later '00s. That 
gave up on it for exactly the reason you state, the steel starts to rust 
under the coat and freaks people out. I briefly owned a Bombadil with this 
and didn't like it (the finish) much, I sold it to listmember Jason. He 
painted it! 


On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 12:59:30 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Oh Wow! Barn find???
>
> Paint around the head lugs looks a little rough, like some sort of rust 
> bloom or something..color looks meh because of dust and discoloration, but 
> probably  nice in 2005...and that dark roast coffee color just screams for 
> cream accents.
>
> Definitely an orphan in need of a good home
>
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 2:46:20 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I want that Glorius but I'd be so tempted to ship it straight to Joe 
>> Bell for very expensive paint. Probably not the best idea! 😜 💸💸💸
>>
>> The Athens Clem L is Doug H's, I think he sold it this morning. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 12:36:43 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> That Glorius is amazing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clem Smith Jr. L: 52cm
>>>> $2100
>>>> Athens, GA
>>>>
>>>> https://athensga.craigslist.org/bik/d/athens-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7430832354.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hubbuhhubbuh: Large/Medium
>>>> $3000
>>>> Indianapolis, IN
>>>>
>>>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-hubbuh-hubbuh/7442843686.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clem Smith Jr. L: 59cm
>>>> $2400
>>>> Indianapolis, IN 
>>>>
>>>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7439900563.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clem Smith: 52cm
>>>> $2250
>>>> Ann Arbor, MI
>>>>
>>>> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/ann-arbor-52cm-mustard-rivendell-clem/7436783168.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS: 48cm
>>>> $1300
>>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>>>
>>>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7442728957.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam Hillborne: 51cm
>>>> $3500
>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>
>>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bik/d/kirkland-rivendell-sam-hillborne-650b/7442678714.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A. Homer Hilsen: 64cm
>>>> $3200
>>>> Rohnert Park, CA
>>>>
>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/rohnert-park-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7441960344.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam Hillborne: 55cm
>>>> $2500
>>>> San Mateo, CA
>>>>
>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/san-mateo-rivendell-sam-hillborne-55cm/7439587278.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam Hillborne: 58cm
>>>> $2500
>>>> Oakland, CA
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1261836544329534
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clem Smith Jr.: 60cm
>>>> $2200
>>>> Livermore, CA
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633243111274221
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clem Smith Jr. L
>>>> $2500
>>>> Midland, MI
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/659143348411672
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clem Smith Jr. L F/F/HS: 64cm
>>>> $1050
>>>> Annandale, VA
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/280020787439844
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Glorius Mixte: 52cm
>>>> $2700
>>>> Austin, TX
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398882232009568
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Appaloosa: 57cm
>>>> C$5000
>>>> Montréal, QC
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3075688719326150
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Protovelo: 58cm
>>>> $1299
>>>> New York, NY
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/262568405858434
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

I want that Glorius but I'd be so tempted to ship it straight to Joe 
Bell for very expensive paint. Probably not the best idea! 😜 💸💸💸

The Athens Clem L is Doug H's, I think he sold it this morning. 



On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 12:36:43 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> That Glorius is amazing
>
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Clem Smith Jr. L: 52cm
>> $2100
>> Athens, GA
>>
>> https://athensga.craigslist.org/bik/d/athens-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7430832354.html
>>
>>
>> Hubbuhhubbuh: Large/Medium
>> $3000
>> Indianapolis, IN
>>
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-hubbuh-hubbuh/7442843686.html
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr. L: 59cm
>> $2400
>> Indianapolis, IN 
>>
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7439900563.html
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith: 52cm
>> $2250
>> Ann Arbor, MI
>>
>> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/ann-arbor-52cm-mustard-rivendell-clem/7436783168.html
>>
>>
>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS: 48cm
>> $1300
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7442728957.html
>>
>>
>> Sam Hillborne: 51cm
>> $3500
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bik/d/kirkland-rivendell-sam-hillborne-650b/7442678714.html
>>
>>
>> A. Homer Hilsen: 64cm
>> $3200
>> Rohnert Park, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/rohnert-park-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7441960344.html
>>
>>
>> Sam Hillborne: 55cm
>> $2500
>> San Mateo, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/san-mateo-rivendell-sam-hillborne-55cm/7439587278.html
>>
>>
>> Sam Hillborne: 58cm
>> $2500
>> Oakland, CA
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1261836544329534
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr.: 60cm
>> $2200
>> Livermore, CA
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633243111274221
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr. L
>> $2500
>> Midland, MI
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/659143348411672
>>
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr. L F/F/HS: 64cm
>> $1050
>> Annandale, VA
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/280020787439844
>>
>>
>> Glorius Mixte: 52cm
>> $2700
>> Austin, TX
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398882232009568
>>
>>
>> Appaloosa: 57cm
>> C$5000
>> Montréal, QC
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3075688719326150
>>
>>
>> Protovelo: 58cm
>> $1299
>> New York, NY
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/262568405858434
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Joe Bernard]

Ryan,

My experience is just like Laing's, the whole chainstay is wrapped and I 
didn't notice for months. 

What I believe Grant means by "slap guard" is those old timey braze-ons 
touring bikes used to have that you would stretch a piece of leather 
between. He's not a stickler for paint staying pretty and probably thinks 
the clear stuff isn't necessary, either.*

*In fact he'd probably be appalled at how pristine my custom still is after 
a year and a half. I don't like scratches! 😬

Joe Bernard  

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:23:28 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> It's interesting that on Riv's Custom page they offer a chainstay slap 
> guard for a $50.00 upcharge...but don't think it's really required.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/custom-framesets 
>
> Looked at my 3 Rivendells...and nope, nothing to see there. I don't recall 
> this option ever coming up on my last two customs...and I'm not fussing 
> about it too much.
>
> So, Joe, did you have to request the 3M wrapping specifically? 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:13:36 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on 
>> my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get 
>> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I 
>> don't know what's happening under there. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see 
>>>> lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like 
>>>> it 
>>>> wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Joe Bernard]

3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on my 
chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get 
queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I 
don't know what's happening under there. 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:

> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see lots 
>> of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it wold 
>> not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Joe Bernard]

Congrats! I can't wait to see it built up, it's such a beautiful frame. 


On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:15:44 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:

> Thanks everyone who responded and who helped out. I didn’t have the chance 
> to respond to each of you, but I read and appreciated all your messages. 
>
> So today I went back with a trusted bike friend and we did the stand over. 
> Somehow, this bike frame is a fit. Even though I am 5’5, I think my shorter 
> torso helps with the reach. 
>
> I will spend the next couple of weeks building it up with the help of some 
> friends here in San Francisco, who will be helping me pick and locate 
> parts. 
>
> I will update my progress and post the finished product at some point. 
>
> - Adrianna
>
> On Jan 29, 2022, at 4:00 PM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Adrianna
>
> Here are my answers to your questions
>
>  
>
> --Question 1: What is your usual distance from pedal center to top of 
> saddle?
>
> Saddle Height (SH) is measured from the center of the BB spindle to the 
> top of the saddle along the seat tube.   Not to a pedal located to some 
> position in it’s rotation.  
>
>  
>
>  You can adjust the saddle so there is a slight bend in your leg when your 
> on the saddle and the pedal is at 5 o’clock, but it is NOT Saddle Height.  
> Pedal at 5 o’clock typically puts the crank arm parallel to the seat tube.
>
>  
>
> Grant Peterson has stated Saddle Height is related to PBH by  SH = PBH 
> – 10 to 11 cm.  a few times in the Rivendell Readers.   For example, I’m 
> 5’7”, my PBH is 80.6cm and my SH is 70.5cm (set by someone watching pedal 
> on my bike in a trainer).  This difference is 10.1cm, very close to Grant.
>
>  
>
> SO if you your PBH, you can get a good approximation of your SH.
>
>  
>
> A 5’5” person typically uses a 170mm (17cm) crank arm.  Even if you used a 
> 165mm arm, the distance is reduced by only 5mm (0.5cm) which is very small 
> change compared to the 87cm distance from saddle to pedal given my 70cm SH 
> and I use a 17cm crank arm.  Crank arm length is typically a fine tuning 
>  adjustment
>
>  
>
>  
>
> --Question 2: What is your usual top of saddle (at seat tube centerline) 
> and handlebar heights?
>
> BAR HEIGHT is typically referenced to the Top of the Saddle, not to the 
> Ground.  Your bars are in 1 of 3 positions:
>
> Bars BELOW the Saddle by XXcm
>
> Bars EVEN with the Saddle, 0cm difference
>
> Bars ABOVE the Saddle by XXcm
>
>  
>
> I keep my bars EVEN with the Saddle to 1cm BELOW the Saddle, depending on 
> my fitness level.  I find I am comfortable in the drops and prefer the 
> drops vs the brake hoods.
>
>  
>
> 15 to 20 years ago Rivendell recommended bars even with saddle.  Now they 
> say Bars above saddle.   I feel my setting (Even to 1cm Below) are within 
> their recommendations.
>
>  
>
> The lower the bars, your muscles are mor effective, but there is more 
> weight is on your hands and your hands can get numb.  The higher the bars 
> are, less weight on the hands and you are more upright, but your muscles 
> are less effective
>
>  
>
> If I read you diagram correctly, your bars are 3.5” (9cm) BELOW the Saddle 
> (37” – 33.5”).  This is an extremely LOW bar position, typically used by 
> the pros. 
>
>  
>
> -Question 3: What is your usual distance from top of saddle (at seat tube 
> centerline) to handlebar center?
>
> My distance (Saddle where ST would come through to center of the stem 
> clamp) is 60.4cm on my 88 Voyageur (53.3cm STL, 54cm TTL, 74° STA, 71°HTA, 
> 71cm SH) with Bars EVEN with Saddle and 1 7cm stem length.   This along 
> with a drop bar reach of 11.5cm (C-E) puts my back at a 45° or slightly 
> higher position (back angle referenced to the horizontal).
>
>  
>
> This distance plus the Bar REACH results in your back at a certain angle 
> to the horizontal.   Long distances result in LOW back angles and mor 
> weight on your arms and hands,  Short distances result in HIGH back angles, 
> you are more upright and less weight on arms and hands.  15 to 20 years ago 
> Rivendell recommended a 45° back angle.  Now they recommend HIGHER angles, 
> more upright. I am comfortable with 45°, but it’s a personal choice.
>
>  
>
> Additional Info
>
>  
>
> I calculated the distance from Saddle to stem clamp for a 50cm Ramboiulet 
> since it’s STL and TTL matched the Road Standard.  The calculation assumes 
> bars EVEN with Saddle and a horizontal TT.
>
>  
>
> Assumed a 69sm Saddle Height for you based on my 71cm and 5’7” height vs 
> your 5’5”, a 7cm stem length and 26” x 32mm tires (radius = 31.6cm).   Here 
> are the 50cm Ramboilett geo, the STL was increased 1.9cm due to the 2° 
> upsloping TT, and assuming the geo table is Effective TTL
>
>  
>
> STL 51.9cm,  TTL 52cm,  STA 72.5°,  HTA 71°,  BBD 5.5cm,  Rake 4.25cm
>
>  
>
> Here are the results
>
> Saddle to center of stem clamp,   59.0 cm
>
> Trail,  6.4cm & Flop =2.0cm,  both match the g

[RBW] Re: A few comments on the aesthetics of my new Homer

[Joe Bernard]

Indeed, the paint shop in Taiwan is WAY underrated. Whoever is mixing that 
stuff takes the job SERIOUSLY. 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 5:51:37 PM UTC-8 John G. wrote:

> My Homer complete arrived today, a few days after my erstwhile Roadeo 
> began its journey back to its previous owner. This is the first time I 
> bought a complete build from Riv, and the experience was excellent. I 
> haven't really put any miles on the Homer, but in honor of New Bike Day, I 
> wanted to share a few notes on its looks. Some background: I've owned a few 
> Rivs (Hunqapillar, Atlantis, Quickbeam, Roadeo) and I wish I had kept every 
> one I've sold. The Roadeo was fantastic, but a bit small. The Atlantis was 
> great, but it wasn't a Roadeo. The Quickbeam I still own. I've always been 
> a bit overly precious about the Made in Taiwan frames, and wrongly assumed 
> they would never look as nice as a MUSA Riv. Man, I was wrong.
>
> Anyway! 
> - The compact geometry and long chainstays look really beautiful and 
> balanced in person. I've never been much of a fan of sloping top tubes, but 
> it really looks great on the Homer. The proportions just work.
> - The paint is far and away the best I've ever seen on a production Riv. 
> Way, way better than the paint on my Waterford Atlantis and Roadeo. It's 
> just...lustrous. It feels almost lit from within. Pics do not do it justice.
> - The build quality is superlative. 
>
> More on how it rides soon when I get some more miles on it! 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Platypus (50cm) and Randonneur (63cm)

[Joe Bernard]

Welcome Kathie, 

Go get it! The numbers on that frame are hard to come by so far (no 
geometry chart), but a list member recently checked the effective toptube 
on the 55 Platy and came up with about 59.5-60cm. At 5'-6" 80-ish PBH I 
could ride that size with bars and post slammed, and I know I can ride the 
50 because I rode the prototype at RBW. Which is to say I'm at the bottom 
of the size range for the 55 and will fit a 50 easy, so if you're my height 
or shorter the small Platy will work! 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:52:14 PM UTC-8 kbe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’m new to this site. I am in the market for a Platy. I just need to 
> double check my PBH , then I can pull the trigger.  Hopefully tomorrow! 
> Thanks!
> Kathie 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2022, at 8:52 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> Pretty sure someone on the list is looking for a Platy. That is a nice 
> build!
>
> Doug
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-5 Daniel wrote:
>
>> Hi, all!
>> My friend (and former owner of my Clem H!) Gautam is selling a 50cm 
>> Platypus: 
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bik/d/azusa-rivendell-platypus-50-cm-like-new/7440088017.html
>>
>> It's stunning...the pictures do NOT do it justice! It's no secret these 
>> are sold out and those who were fortunate to grab one love them! Please 
>> reach out to him via his CL ad, but if you won't hear back (you will!), let 
>> me know and I can nudge him.
>>
>> While I'm posting, I'll make a shameless plug for J Bryant randonneur. 
>> It's 63cm, kitted out with all the right bits (Herse cranks, Edelux, Noodle 
>> bars, Berthoud bag and Dura Ace 9s, etc.). It's also ready for a new home: 
>> https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/d/yorba-linda-63cm-custom-randonneur/7416115606.html
>>
>> Thank you for your time!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Daniel
>> Yorba Linda, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike-Trade Day - A(nother) Quickbeam

[Joe Bernard]

I am also this naive. The number of used bikes I see with "get all my money 
back" prices these days makes me nauseous. Yay for them if they can get it, 
yay for me that I end up not spending anything! 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:11:11 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Thanks Doug, but that's out of my price range.  It may be naive of me, but 
> I think used-anything should be half-retail.  $2800 for that build strikes 
> me as a fair bit more than half retail, even though it is a high-end 
> build.  Add to that the fact that the FJ Senor has essentially zero cult 
> following.  Maybe it's collectors prices for the Paul Racer brakes?  HAHA
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:54:44 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> There is a 57 cm Frank Jones Sr. on eBay if that interests you. I'll post 
>> the link in case you hadn't seen it. 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185245621839?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&siteid=0&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&toolid=20008&campid=5335981329&customid=with-subcat
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 10:46:59 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> APPROVE!
>>>
>>> I want a silver 58cm Quickbeam.  There's a green 60cm locally, but I 
>>> don't like British Racing Green on bikes.  I might end up with it anyway, 
>>> but I'm not going to cry if somebody else buys it.  If that 60cm green was 
>>> a 58cm silver, I'd already have it...
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:28:48 AM UTC-8 Patch T wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bunch,
>>>>
>>>> *tl:dr - Kyle's Quickbeam was too big. Mine was maybe too small. We 
>>>> swapped. Photos.*
>>>>
>>>> I've ridden an orange Quickbeam for about 5 years. It's seen all sorts 
>>>> of builds, all sorts of rides, camping trips, commutes; the slow end of a 
>>>> toxic relationship and the start of a healthy one, an engagement, a 
>>>> cross-country move (again), a pandemic a career change... As you can 
>>>> imagine, I'm in love with the bike. My first and only Rivendell (so far) 
>>>> but I don't really feel the itch for another. Ok maybe a Mountain Mixte. 
>>>> Or 
>>>> Roadeo. Or Saluki, maybe. I digress. 
>>>>
>>>> I sold a few frames so I could purchase it, used, from an angel named 
>>>> John who even let me pay in installments. I've learned a lot about bikes 
>>>> and about wrenching, but also about sizing in the short 5 years since - 
>>>> one 
>>>> thing I learned is that I should/could ride larger bikes than I thought. 
>>>>
>>>> For a while it was my only bike. Kyle from Golden Saddle Cycles used to 
>>>> frequently catch me outside riding the QB back when I lived in LA, or when 
>>>> I visited his shop, and every time he would remind me he'd gladly purchase 
>>>> that bike when I'm ready to sell. You can imagine my answer - however, he 
>>>> never let up. 
>>>>
>>>> Fast forward to cruising Instagram late last year, now living in NYC, 
>>>> and I saw that Kyle finally got his holy grail - a silver Quickbeam - but 
>>>> in a size too big for him. He thought he'd like to try out a French fit, 
>>>> but it didn't work out. So I wrote him, thinking his new-to-him 56 would 
>>>> fit me better (or, differently + nicely) than my beloved 54. He agreed, 
>>>> and 
>>>> we packed and shipped each other our frames (he had me ship his to Black 
>>>> Magic Paint!) 
>>>>
>>>> I've spent the past month rebuilding; highlights include a TA crank, 
>>>> shiny VO fenders, Compass Maes Parallel bar, Swift rando bag, dyno 
>>>> lighting, Paul brakes (minimoto front, touring rear), 38mm Gravelking 
>>>> slicks.
>>>>
>>>> Was it worth the $80ish in shipping? Maybe. It's not necessarily *more* 
>>>> comfortable, but *differently* comfortable. I do like having a shorter 
>>>> stem, and less seatpost showing than before - that feeling of being *in* 
>>>> it, rather than *above* it. All in all - with the new color and different 
>>>> (again) parts - it's kinda like a new bike day, for under $100.
>>>>
>>>> Patch
>>>> BK/NYC
>>>>  [image: image3 (2).jpeg][image: image1 (16).jpeg]
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Please help me find a Rosco Bubbe MMM!

[Joe Bernard]

I hesitate to add this because I don't want your WTB to get hijacked into 
an accessory discussion but let's try it: these folks in Oregon make a 
leather lift handle. If an MMM never pops up you could put this on a 
Platypus or Clem L. I think you would fit the 55cm Platy in Davis, plus 
member Doug H. has a 52 Clem L that might work (the latest generation of 
that frame has a very long effective toptube). I don't know if either are 
shipping though, I mostly wanted to show the lifting device. I know your 
dilemma, I have back issues which have pretty much knocked me out of the 
carrying bikes upstairs game. 

https://walnutstudiolo.com/collections/bicycle-accessories/products/bicycle-frame-handle-the-little-lifter

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 10:49:30 AM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I know this is a long, long, long-shot, but I am searching for a Rosco 
> like the ones in the photo below or as Bill L once called it, the Rosco 
> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte. I spoke to Will about the frame and it ticks 
> off ALL the boxes for what I am looking for. 
>
> Supposedly there were two batches of 12 made. The first batch was a more 
> pale blue than the second. I couldn’t tell you which shade of blue is my 
> favorite color as they both are gorgeous. The lighter blue is my current 
> favorite but the darker reminds me more of the cerulean crayons that were 
> my favorite as a child. The size of the frame is perfect for my 85 PBH and 
> I'm told it’s able to do all the things I’d want to do with it. If I could 
> afford a custom, I get this bike made in either one of those shades of blue 
> but most likely the lighter shade.
>
> I suffered a shoulder injury lifting my lady’s lightweight road bike up 
> onto a roof rack. It has been a few months but unfortunately it still 
> hasn’t healed. Getting my Sam up and down the stairs at my house has become 
> a frightening chore, especially when loaded. I’m hoping that the lifter bar 
> will help prevent future injuries. My line of work requires me to hold a 
> boom microphone over my head 5 days a week so I need my shoulders in tip 
> top condition!
>
> I’ve been dreaming of a 650B go-everywhere-with-all-my-things bike 
> (GEWAMT?). After speaking with Vince about whether the medium 650B Gus 
> would be a good fit for me, he strongly suggested the large which is 
> designed for 700C wheels (not that it matters since I didn’t pre-order 
> one). The 53cm Atlantis is currently the ideal candidate, and a bike I’d 
> love to one day own since it’s designed around 650B, but I’d really like a 
> step through or at least a swoop tube, especially since this bike will 
> hopefully one day hold a child seat. (High top tube related trail injuries 
> might stand in the way of that plan).
>
> Again, I know its a long shot but I’m crossing my fingers that the kind 
> members here might keep an eye out for me if one pops up for sale. I 
> believe several of you folks own one and love them. If someone happens to 
> have one that’s gathering dust in the corner, I’d be happy to give it a 
> loving home!
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
> Joe Mullins
>
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> [image: Rosco MMMs.png] 
>

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[RBW] Re: 55cm Platypus for sale Davis, CA

[Joe Bernard]

There will be no guesses. 



On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 2:04:54 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Any guesses as to what that big black sticker is on the seattube? College 
> parking or commuter train thing? I'm into these frames but I'm worried 
> about what's under there...
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>
>> NOT my bike but I am close enough to help if necessary. 
>>
>>
>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/davis-rivendell-platypus/7438484202.html
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Joe Bernard]

47.5 and 51 Homer are 650B, I believe all Roadeos are 700C. The last 26-er 
I'm aware of in Riv's lineup is the 46cm Appaloosa and I'll be surprised if 
we see it again. The new 45 Clem dropped 26" for 650B this year. 



On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 11:29:01 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Curious: are the smaller HHs and Roadeos built for 26" wheels?
>
> I know that if I were in the market for a top-level, light road bike I'd 
> certainly consider the Roadeo (700c wheels in my size, of course).
>

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[RBW] Re: 55cm Platypus for sale Davis, CA

[Joe Bernard]

Any guesses as to what that big black sticker is on the seattube? College 
parking or commuter train thing? I'm into these frames but I'm worried 
about what's under there...

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> NOT my bike but I am close enough to help if necessary. 
>
>
> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/davis-rivendell-platypus/7438484202.html
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[RBW] Re: Riv SimpleOne Color/Cream Headtube change Question

[Joe Bernard]

I remember this process for the Clem, which went the opposite direction. 
Originally it was supposed to come in a flat black you could bang around on 
commutes, then touch up with a spray can. I believe the decals were going 
to be stick-on and come in a baggy so you could leave them off. Somewhere 
along the line Grant decided Clems were going to be pretty. 



On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I'm almost certain there were more produced in the burgundy color than 
> just a prototype or two.  I think there was a choice between that color and 
> the green, but perhaps not in equal numbers.  You could probably spend some 
> time on the wayback machine (internet archive) and find out for sure.  
>
> As to the lack of creme headtube, it was probably an aspiration that 
> didn't pencil out once the final costs were known.  The thing about 
> Rivendell is that they are very open about sharing details as projects and 
> ideas develop.  It is fun watching the process and is nice in that you get 
> to plan and anticipate,  but can lead to disapointment if you get your 
> heart set on something and become emotionally invested. Details always 
> change.
>
> I'd say paint it as you'd like it.  If it's a quality, professional paint 
> job and in a subdued, tasteful color that works with the decal, it's not 
> like the bike is devalued.  Same with adding the creme headtube and wings 
> and window fill, if that's what you like.
>
> When the quickbeam (the japan- made predecessor and template for the 
> simple one)  was in production, I think there were a couple of one-off 
> versions made, with fancier lugs and/or fancier paint.  In fact, Riv used 
> to offer the option of custom paint
>  on production models, at the buyer's expense and in approved colors.
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:40:52 PM UTC-7 jasonz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All, I'm new here, **Shout out to any Riv folks in Omaha.   Anyway, I 
>> have been digging into the Riv Blog history and haven't been able to find 
>> the content surrounding the rational behind the changes to the simpleone... 
>> Initially the description states it would be a "fancier paint" with cream 
>> headtube and also a dark red color, then slime green with cream accents, 
>> then it was released entirely in dark "slime" green.  Does anyone here have 
>> any further insight on the changes?  I am working on a restoration project 
>> of a SimpleOne and have chosen to go with the prototype Burgundy color with 
>> cream head tube and fork accents.  I am looking forward to it being what 
>> may have been the OG intent for the color way of this bike.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Stuff at Analog

[Joe Bernard]

I'ma buy me some STUFF! 



On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 4:25:07 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> They at Analog are good folks up there in the Vermont back woods. Hey, 
> there are some deals in that sales sheet! Thanks for posting Joe.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:51:55 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Cuz they're lovely people and have done some incredible Riv builds and 
>> they have stuff you might like. 
>>
>> Joe "a satisfied customer" Bernard
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini heavy?

[Joe Bernard]

I owned a Roadini for a while - great bike, kinda wish I'd kept it - but I 
wouldn't begin to define 'light' for someone who's never ridden a Riv. You 
really need to hop on one (any model) and see if the vibe is right for you. 
In my opinion. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:44:32 AM UTC-8 Ezra wrote:

> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>
> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell 
> that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a 
> Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with 
> Waive bars. 
>
> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that 
> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>
> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight unseen 
> difficult. 
>
> Ezra
> Michigan 
>

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[RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Adrianna, 

This is my comment from your original thread:

I've been staring at that frame for weeks, it's gorgeous! At 5'-6"-ish it's 
too small for me, I'll bet a 50 × 52cm would be perfect for you, especially 
with drops or Moustache/Albastache bars. 

My guess - cuz that's all we can do here without you being able to size it 
with wheels and bars on, which I agree is frustrating - is the reach would 
be on the cramped side with flat bars. A super long stem might solve that 
though. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:

> Hi Joe, Greg, thanks for your thoughts.
>
> The main thing is that I'm having trouble understanding whether this is 
> too small, or just right for me (I'm 5'5, I would say short torso and 
> reach, and regular legs). That's what I hope someone on this group can help 
> me understand. I understand it's not an exact science, but in this case I 
> don't even know if I'm in the right wheel house. 
>
> Types of rides I like: 
>
> - bikepacking
> - mostly road with 20% gravel
>
> I currently ride a modern gravel bike but that just got stolen.
>
> If this is *possibly* the right size for me, I will probably set it up 
> with flat bars and 26" by 1.25" Elk Pass tires. It'll be a long term 
> project to get this set up as a 'forever bike', a bike that I'd spend time 
> building, and hopefully ride for a long time. I am fine with the price of 
> the frame, given the cause and rarity. 
>
> But I don't know at all whether or not it's even possible. I went to see 
> it yesterday and stood over it, but without anything attached to it, that 
> felt hard to gauge.
>
> With the current info above, what do you all think?  
>
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:41:38 PM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
>
>> Hi Adrianna - what do you want to know from the group?  If it's whether 
>> you should buy it or not, that's really for you to decide, but -- as 
>> mentioned before -- (1) the price is on the high end (but it's for a good 
>> cause and also, these don't come around often, especially in this size); 
>> (2) it's a nice frame that probably rides very well.  Not the lightest 
>> bike, and limited tire selection (there are not as many high-end road tires 
>> for 26 x 1.5 as for 700c), but I'm sure it handles well in a neutral way. 
>>  Plenty versatile for all types of road riding and some trails.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure you can get the year from the serial number (from the 
>> Waterford site), if that matters.
>>
>> But really, what are you looking for?  What type of rides will you use 
>> this for?  What do you currently ride?  How will you build it up?  And what 
>> do you like about it?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:13 AM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I went to see Joe B at the Marin Museum of Bicycling to see if I want 
>>> the Riv Road Standard bike frame.
>>>
>>> Details were somewhat unclear and as this group pointed out, it's hard 
>>> to tell size and fit when the bike is not built up.
>>>
>>> So further details are posted her (on my personal page):
>>>
>>> https://skinnylatte.notion.site/Riv-Bike-e56ddf417ee54e788e3a445eafc46f44
>>>
>>> Joe also called Grant and provided this update:
>>>
>>> " After talking with Grant, and trying a few more wheels, it appears the 
>>> frameset is for 26x1.4" wheels (MTB, 559 bead seat size). So tires would be 
>>> 35mm max, 32mm more like it. "Pre-1999 for sure," says Grant."
>>>
>>> My main question is: I previously thought this might be *just nice*, now 
>>> I am not so sure.
>>>
>>> Anyone see anything interesting about the new information here? I still 
>>> want it very badly of course, and that's maybe why I can't be objective 
>>> about it ;/
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Whiskey No. 7 flared drops, 31.8, 46cm

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD



On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 1:34:48 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Or make offer just enough over the cost of shipping to make me box it up 
> and get it out of here. Everything must go! 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 2:13:20 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Take-off from my V-O Neutrino I got as a demo from Analog Cycles. Usage 
>> unknown but I don't think the bike was ridden much based on its condition, 
>> and I rode these bars hardly at all. Some sticky stuff remains unless I get 
>> around to a Goo Gone session before you buy it. 
>>
>> $30 plus shipping, bars are a headache to ship but maybe we'll get lucky 
>> on a price. PayPal, Venmo, check, cash stuffed in an envelope. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> joeremi62 gmail com
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[RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Joe Bernard]

I think it's beautiful, which counts for a lot with me..I love the color 
and have an affinity for the older frames without creamy details. But it's 
a road bike with road rear spacing that you're going to have to have 26" 
wheels built for, you're going to have a very hard time finding a set 
already built that isn't 135 spacing. And it's overpriced no matter how 
much we all might appreciate supporting the museum. 

I won't tell you what choice to make but I think you can see what I would 
do..

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:13 AM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I went to see Joe B at the Marin Museum of Bicycling to see if I want the 
> Riv Road Standard bike frame.
>
> Details were somewhat unclear and as this group pointed out, it's hard to 
> tell size and fit when the bike is not built up.
>
> So further details are posted her (on my personal page):
>
> https://skinnylatte.notion.site/Riv-Bike-e56ddf417ee54e788e3a445eafc46f44
>
> Joe also called Grant and provided this update:
>
> " After talking with Grant, and trying a few more wheels, it appears the 
> frameset is for 26x1.4" wheels (MTB, 559 bead seat size). So tires would be 
> 35mm max, 32mm more like it. "Pre-1999 for sure," says Grant."
>
> My main question is: I previously thought this might be *just nice*, now I 
> am not so sure.
>
> Anyone see anything interesting about the new information here? I still 
> want it very badly of course, and that's maybe why I can't be objective 
> about it ;/
>

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[RBW] Re: Hub Play

[Joe Bernard]

Huh, I've learned a new thing. The MI5 on my custom is a year old and not 
ridden hard, I grabbed the tire and wiggled and there's at least a mm or 
two of play in mine, too. I remember in the very early years of Riv that 
Grant mentioned Bullseye hubs do this and to basically ignore it. Until 
I've done a 
*lot *more riding..ignore it I shall. 
On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 3:07:46 AM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you, Garth! What an education this is, and I really appreciate the 
> time and effort you've put into helping me understand this. 
>
> As for how much play, if I had to guess I'd say that when I grab my wheel 
> at the tire a move it laterally to test for play there's maybe a 1-2mm 
> shift. Maybe? I don't notice it when I'm riding. Then again, I'm not even 
> sure what I would be noticing if the wheel were flopping around as I ride. 
>
> However, I have noticed of late that sometimes when I'm braking in a 
> corner there's a little bit of a shriek from the rear rim. This is, in 
> fact, what got me thinking about the play again after coming to terms with 
> it for some time. Could be just an improperly adjusted brake pad, but I did 
> just change them (salmon thinlines), set them up properly, and still a 
> little noise while cornering. Somehow I'm imagining the angle of contact 
> between the brake pad and the rim changes slightly while in a corner due to 
> the play in the hub, and this is what's causing the noise. But, I'm 
> certainly not knowledgeable enough for this to be anything but an 
> hypothesis. 
>
> I'm looking forward to investigating the RC vs AC bearings. In the 
> meantime, my take-away from your note is that as long as I have radial 
> bearings I should expect some play in the hub when off the bike.
>
> Thanks again!
> John
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 6:22:54 PM UTC+9 Garth wrote:
>
>> John, I know it's impossible to put into words how much play you are 
>> experiencing, but if it helps at all many cartridge bearing hub with radial 
>> type bearings exhibit a small amount of lateral play. It's not enough to 
>> notice when riding or braking, only when you're off the bike and wiggle the 
>> rim. Radial type cartridges are preloaded and nonadjustable. While I see WI 
>> shows the end being adjustable, other that to snug up the end I don't see 
>> any other benefit to it. If the bearings were angular contact type then yes 
>> it could be adjusted. As I was writing this I was curious, and sure, that 
>> someone has replaced their outermost radial bearings with AC type, and sure 
>> enough I found this thread :  
>> https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-mechanics/1074471-swap-radial-cartridge-angular-contact-bearings.html
>>
>> The relevant reply after many "whys and no you can'ts" from people who 
>> have not done it, is #15 ... and watch the video contained in reply #19 for 
>> a brief on the differences between radial and AC cartridge bearings. 
>>
>>
>> *Thanks*
>>
>> *I posed this question to my wheel builder, Jude at Sugar, and here is 
>> what she said about using AC bearings with my White T11 hub:*
>>
>> *Yes, it would be ideal to have angular contact bearings as the outermost 
>> bearings in the hub. White Industries doesn't do this as a stock option 
>> because it's a lot of bearings for them to manage in inventory. But, as we 
>> replace bearings here, we use angular contact bearings which will require 
>> an adjustment.*
>>
>> *Then I asked about the preload issue and her response was:*
>>
>> *The locking collar on the non-drive side is actually an adjusting 
>> collar.*
>>
>> * So you'll lock down the collar just until the play disappears which is 
>> much like doing the bearing adjustment but you will have to be aware of any 
>> play in your wheel.So I guess its possible but not clear why its ideal on 
>> the outermost bearings.*
>>   
>> 
>>
>> The answer to "why" would be longevity of the bearings and the ability to 
>> remove any play. You just have to be aware of your preload, like on loose 
>> ball hubs. 
>>
>> Yay ! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 1:28:17 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Garth and Jeffrey,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your kind replies. Yes, this was my first course 
>>> of action when the problem first arose, and while WI contacts at the time 
>>> were attentive and wished to help, I recall we didn't really come to a 
>>> solution. I do have a conversation in the wings with another knowledgeable 
>>> fellow, so I'll see where this one takes me. I contact WI again if 
>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> S.Greco, I'll keep you informed should my issue be resolved. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC+9 S. Greco wrote:
>>>
 I have this same issue with one of my M15 hubs. Please post if you get 
 a solid answer. 
 My LBS recommended new bearings which I bought and installed, but it 
 did not fix the issue

Re: [RBW] Re: Onyx hubs from Rivendell in 135 rim brake flavor

[Joe Bernard]

The price of the Onyx is slightly mind boggling, but I gotta admit the 
silence is worth some money. I have a Riv custom with WI hub and I thought 
the buzzy sound would be neat but it can be irritating. I recently picked 
up a bike with a Rohloff Speedhub (also spendy!) and MUCH prefer how quiet 
it is. 

Joe Bernard

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:29:21 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Discounting the engagement issue, my Clem came with humble Deore hubs. 
> Completely silent. I have been riding semi “buzzy” hubs for so long I had 
> no idea. What a welcome surprise.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 25, 2022, at 10:08 AM, lconley  wrote:
>
> Too bad they only come in maximum 32 hole, that is a deal breaker for me, 
> until I lose some weight. Not that I *need * any new hubs.
>
>
> Laing
> 36, 40 and 48 hole hubs
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[RBW] Re: FS: Whiskey No. 7 flared drops, 31.8, 46cm

[Joe Bernard]

Or make offer just enough over the cost of shipping to make me box it up 
and get it out of here. Everything must go! 



On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 2:13:20 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Take-off from my V-O Neutrino I got as a demo from Analog Cycles. Usage 
> unknown but I don't think the bike was ridden much based on its condition, 
> and I rode these bars hardly at all. Some sticky stuff remains unless I get 
> around to a Goo Gone session before you buy it. 
>
> $30 plus shipping, bars are a headache to ship but maybe we'll get lucky 
> on a price. PayPal, Venmo, check, cash stuffed in an envelope. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
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Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Joe Bernard]

Missed it! Probably wouldn't have jumped anyway - I'm getting a strong itch 
for a Platy - but it's cool!

Joe Bernard

On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 1:52:05 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Joe, you need that Stainless Steel Clem!
> Doug
>
> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:04:44 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> The prototype is for sale on the Riv site. $2k complete, 57cm. If it were 
>> a 60cm I would have bought it.
>>
>> I did some powerpoint measurements and estimate the seat height in the 
>> photo to be 30.6", FWIW.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 10:38 AM Pancake  wrote:
>>
>>> I was excited for a Charles H Gallop too, but no v-brakes means I’m out. 
>>> Wish I could snag that prototype, because that is just an ideal setup. 
>>>
>>> But the Sam Hillborne also started with long reach brakes (like mine) 
>>> and eventually made its way to canti/V-brake posts so hopefully CHG goes 
>>> the same way and sooner than later. 
>>>
>>> Abe
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 09:38:06 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I was really looking forward to the CHG, but the long reach 
>>>> brakes kill it for me. 
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am a little shocked that they are apparently bringing that change 
>>>>> over to the Charlie Gallop too. Instead of the V-brake/cantilever setup 
>>>>> that the previous prototype had. Since they are designing their own V 
>>>>> brakes that look to be quite nice it seems that they would push the bikes 
>>>>> toward that. The only reason I can think that they would make that change 
>>>>> is because sidepulls are a little more common on road style bikes. But 
>>>>> making a decision based only on aesthetics seems counter to how Rivendell 
>>>>> normally does things.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm so glad I bought my Roadini frame before this change! The 559 
>>>>>> brakes do not work for me: poor power in dry conditions and unusable in 
>>>>>> wet. I find that 33mm tires have plenty of cush and 42's would probably 
>>>>>> create toe overlap on a 50 size frame. I'm grateful to have found a 
>>>>>> Rivendell frame that works for me. 
>>>>>> [image: DSC00040.JPG]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 9:46:12 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed 
>>>>>>> for R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as 
>>>>>>> I’m 
>>>>>>> concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
>>>>>>> coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. 
>>>>>>> That 
>>>>>>> may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 
>>>>>>> 80’s 
>>>>>>> Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eamon
>>>>>>> Seattle 
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Re: [RBW] Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[Joe Bernard]

You need folding baskets with Wald bags in them. I still have the bags, you 
can have them for shipping, they're perfect for shopping. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 2:23:15 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Robert. I'd rather not deal with neck cords or zippers. Right now 
> the Backrollers work alright, especially since I removed the internal 
> pockets that would catch bags and items as I shoved them down, and I will 
> investigate the North St. bag.
>
> Funny to admit, but if my criteria were purely practical, I'd go back to 
> the very best ever grocery panniers I've ever used, no exception: a pair of 
> $4 (on sale) 13 gallon plastic trash cans from Target, strapped using 
> dowels for support to the rear rack. huge capacity, no obstruction at all 
> for shoving things, bags or otherwise, in, and plenty of room in back for 
> reflective stickers. Their fatal downside, I have to admit, was that they 
> made me look like a dork. 
>
> Even funnier: I recall how, back 10 years ago or so when I was young and 
> fit and green -- mid 50s -- I was spinning along on that 1973 Motobecane 
> making time in the 67" gear with these trashcans attached, and was 
> unintentionally gaining space on a CF lycra clad -- I will use the word 
> "roadie" because he got annoyed and sped up to pass me; so the derogation 
> is appropriate. He then missed the turn I made, and came back to pass me 
> again. It didn't click with me until I got home -- my reaction at the 
> moment was, "what's this guy doing here again; didn't I just see him?"; if 
> I'd understood, I'd have run him off the road. But I am sure that he got 
> upset because what to his provincial eyes looked like a fredly dork on a 
> beater bike -- and with a long pony tail, no helmet, and in more or less 
> civilian clothes -- was disrespecting him.
>
> Actually sold them with an old beater bike to my NDN who used the setup 
> for some years, though for the last 7 or so bike and trashcans have been 
> slowly disintegrating in the NM sun.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:04 PM  wrote:
>
>> I used the Arkel grocery pannier quite a bit and I really liked it. It 
>> meets most of your criteria but has a zip top and not a buckle top. The new 
>> version looks to have a draw cord top which would make sliding a paper bag 
>> full of groceries in more difficult maybe? Their hardware is adjustable so 
>> it would be simple to position it further back on a rack.
>>
>> https://www.arkel-od.com/shopper-foldable/
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 2:57 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet
>> possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria.
>>
>> A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve
>> well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the
>> rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier,
>> defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance:
>> 1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery
>> sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort;
>> 2. Flap with single buckle.
>> 3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's
>> cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be
>> waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge).
>> 4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must
>> offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer
>> the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems;
>> 5. Comes in red;
>> 6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o' 
>> keys.
>>
>> Criteria 1 thru 4 are required, # 5 is important, # 6 would be nice.
>>
>> B. On rides like this afternoon's, 48-50 F but cloudy (full sun at 5K+
>> feet is the equivalent of +10*F in air temperature) I like a ls med
>> weight wool jersey + a second ls layer, and I've been using a full-zip
>> wool jersey bought deliberately large. But the fit isn't as good as it
>> might be. So:
>>
>> What is a good LS, full-cut (to fit over a ls wool jersey) medium
>> weight wool (*wool* -- it has to breathe) with either a full zip or at
>> least a long partial zipper (must be easy to get on over ls jersey),
>> rear pockets preferred (I'd happily accept chest pockets, but it must
>> have cycling-compatible -- drop bar cycling -- pockets). Red, blue,
>> gray, orange, even, ev

[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

Right?? I can't even ride singlespeeds these days and I would snap up a 54 
QB in a heartbeat. Any color! (but make it green)


On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Yeah, Joe...I thought that's what you meant...may be one reason why I'm 
> not super-jonesing for an orange quickbeam...although if a 54 QB fell into 
> my lap like the proverbial crumbs from the proverbial rich man's table, I 
> wouldn't be  unhappy😊
>
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 1:26:22 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> To calarify because I was trying to be nice (it's my new thing), I don't 
>> think the color on '93 X0-1's needs improving. I wouldn't repaint at all 
>> unless it was completely trashed. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 10:23:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> X0-1 repainted to "better than Pumpkin" Orange. Yeah. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/morgan-hill-bridgestone-xo-52cm/7435187965.html
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:04:17 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> 62cm Sam
>>>>
>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

To calarify because I was trying to be nice (it's my new thing), I don't 
think the color on '93 X0-1's needs improving. I wouldn't repaint at all 
unless it was completely trashed. 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 10:23:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> X0-1 repainted to "better than Pumpkin" Orange. Yeah. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/morgan-hill-bridgestone-xo-52cm/7435187965.html
>
> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:04:17 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 62cm Sam
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html
>
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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

X0-1 repainted to "better than Pumpkin" Orange. Yeah. 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/morgan-hill-bridgestone-xo-52cm/7435187965.html

On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:04:17 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 62cm Sam
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html

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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Joe Bernard]

I'll call you on the party line, MElrose 7-5833. 

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 6:11:37 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Old people are so lame.
>
> Patrick "no damned emoticons from me" Moore, who uses a fountain pen and 
> notebook to schedule work deadlines, in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 6:28 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Ha! I too am racing toward 67. Just let me everything from my phone, 
>> please.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate, 
>> hate using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes texting, 
>> and I tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2) 
>> default communication system. 
>>
>> I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop I 
>> can reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I generally 
>> improve my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.
>>
>> Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that we 
>> oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually connected 
>> away from our desks.
>>
>> I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for work, 
>> but I hate it too. 
>>
>> Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, so 
>> don't give me any guff.
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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Joe Bernard]

I'm 59 and love that I can do all my computery stuff from my phone, my PC 
and laptop are stashed away and I probably wouldn't remember how to operate 
them now. I can print from my phone to a wireless printer, that's crazy! 

Still don't get Zoom, though. I've always had a bit of photo/video phobia 
and this new world of video calling, not my gig. 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 4:22:57 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is it a generational thing? Me, closing fast on age 67, I hate, hate, hate 
> using a phone for surfing web or email; this hatred includes texting, and I 
> tolerate texting only because it is my daughter's (age 20 1/2) default 
> communication system. 
>
> I tried an iPad and thought it merely a very bad laptop. With a laptop I 
> can reply to email and browse der Veb without annoyance, and I generally 
> improve my laptop experience by using a full-size keyboard and real mouse.
>
> Again, is this a generational thing? I expect so: I rather think that we 
> oldsters don't expect to, and don't even want to, be perpetually connected 
> away from our desks.
>
> I do agree: no g-d Facebook. I do have an account on LinkedIn for work, 
> but I hate it too. 
>
> Patrick "hate, hate, hate" Moore, who was researching laptops in 1985, so 
> don't give me any guff.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Joe Bernard]

"This is my go-fast All Rounder, and this is my shopping All Rounder. Oh 
this one? That's my weekend All Rounder!" 



On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:04:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> We need several All Rounders for the All Arounding we’re always doing. 
> Duh. 
>
> On Jan 18, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I tend to refer to the type of bike my Rivendells are as an "all-rounder" 
> when asked. Of course that then begs the question why I need several of 
> them... 
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 3:32 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> It reminds me of shoes. What kind of shoes are you wearing? Walking, 
>> running, tennis, track, etc. I'm just wearing shoes to go mobile. I'm just 
>> riding my bicycle and it is a ride bike!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 5:32:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> After all this time watching (and contributing silliness to) this 
>>> thread, I still don't know what we are. Shortly after I picked up my custom 
>>> someone asked me what kind of bike I got and I said road bike. Because I 
>>> had it designed to be lightish and zippy on the road; no hardcore trail 
>>> riding, no touring loads. But when you look at it there's high Billie Bars 
>>> and a droptube Platypus-style and does not say "road bike" to anyone asking 
>>> that question! 
>>>
>>> So I ride my Rivendell in town and when people ask me what kind of 
>>> riding I do they get a whole paragraph 😬🤷
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:31:09 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to 
>>>> SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
>>>> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This 
>>>> List 
>>>> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>>>>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that 
>>>> hosts 
>>>> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>>>>
>>>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>>>>
>>>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and 
>>>> I don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick 
>>>> off other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on 
>>>> the 
>>>> way to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your 
>>>> group and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all 
>>>> nervous.) I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag 
>>>> for a group. I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I 
>>>> suppose I will just have to risk it.
>>>>
>>>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>>>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I 
>>>> doubt 
>>>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
>>>> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>>>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>>>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
>>>> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
>>>> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who 
>>>> do 
>>>> we ride with?
>>>>
>>>> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
>>>> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
>>>> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>>>>
>>>> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though 
>>>> I suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
>>>> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
>>>> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
>>>> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
>>>> these people I can talk to?!
>>>>
>>>> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
>>>> figure out

[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Joe Bernard]

After all this time watching (and contributing silliness to) this thread, I 
still don't know what we are. Shortly after I picked up my custom someone 
asked me what kind of bike I got and I said road bike. Because I had it 
designed to be lightish and zippy on the road; no hardcore trail riding, no 
touring loads. But when you look at it there's high Billie Bars and a 
droptube Platypus-style and does not say "road bike" to anyone asking that 
question! 

So I ride my Rivendell in town and when people ask me what kind of riding I 
do they get a whole paragraph 😬🤷

Joe Bernard

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:31:09 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to SW 
> Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>
> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>
> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
> will just have to risk it.
>
> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
> we ride with?
>
> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>
> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
> these people I can talk to?!
>
> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
> figure out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>
> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? 
> Are we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I 
> buy Lycra? 
>
> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Joe Bernard]

I SO could see Leah becoming the ringleader of her own bike gang. "Follow 
her, I'm not sure where she's going but it looks fun!" 🥳🎉🎈🚴‍♀️



On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:51:39 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Well, I do believe that when you find a group with whom (which?) to ride, 
> you'll show up on that beautiful Platy and cause quite a stir. At which 
> point you'll be able to choose your own direction and ride off with any 
> number of riders smitten by raspberry, steel and Ornithorhynchus close 
> behind. And, you'll become a group of your own. Have some possible group 
> names ready!
>
> Cheers,
> John 'A lone wolf who enjoys bumping into other lone wolves' Rinker
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:48:33 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Michigan, they're all the same.
>>
>> I'll think about a bobblehat pic. And after I think about it, I'll wince. 
>> But the earflaps do work very well.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:45 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, who lives in Minneapolis? Not me! (And as the bikiest city in 
>>> the nation, yes they beat Portland, they certainly DO have such groups. And 
>>> the most Rivs I have ever seen has been in Minneapolis, I will add.)
>>>
>>> Can we see the faux-Peruvian bobble hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> > On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:40 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > I like to think of myself as a Velominatus, one of the cycling
>>> > enlightened, earnestly and exactingly preserving the Rules and the
>>> > Lore while wearing an expression of noble and aloof gravity befitting
>>> > the dignity of the responsibility, but I expect others just take me
>>> > for a dork on a bike, especially when I wear my faux-Peruvian bobble
>>> > hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties.
>>> > 
>>> > Slightly less in earnest: in ABQ there is the NM Touring Society which
>>> > hosts daily rides year 'round and has 3 or 4 different ride levels
>>> > including "slow and friendly and we stop for everyone." I have twice
>>> > almost signed up only to forebear since they start at 7:30 or 8:30 in
>>> > the morning and I take pleasure in cycling only after about 10 am. My
>>> > mornings are in any event too busy, and in any event I prefer to ride
>>> > mid-day, even in the heat.
>>> > 
>>> > Pre-Covid I did several rides with a friend and q group of fellow
>>> > engineers and managers from Sandia National Labs, and that was fun for
>>> > the occasional ride even tho' I had to get up at 4 to get ready for
>>> > and drive to the 6 am start; this was summertime, but 6 am rides are
>>> > Not My Thing. I do like to ride with said friend, but two is not
>>> > group.
>>> > 
>>> > I can't imagine that in a city like Minneapolis there isn't at least 1
>>> > riding group that is neither roadie nor mtb and that emphasizes
>>> > friendliness and "wait up" with cafe stops at the end.
>>> > 
>>> > Patrick "life begins after 10 am" Moore
>>> > 
>>> >> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:31 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing 
>>> from Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life 
>>> Bike Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also 
>>> made me want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I 
>>> have found a shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the 
>>> year. There is hope!
>>> >> 
>>> >> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else.
>>> >> 
>>> >> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, 
>>> and I don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would 
>>> tick off other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons 
>>> on the way to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for 
>>> your group and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all 
>>> nervous.) I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag 
>>> for a group. I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I 
>>> suppose I will just have to risk it.
>>> >> 
>>> >> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of 
>>> their friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I 
>>> doubt I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When 
>>> I say I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to 
>>> mountain bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I 
>>> don’t have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike 
>>> people assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t 
>>> know what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? 
>>> Who do we ride with?
>>> >> 
>>> >> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and 
>>> there are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, 
>>> raspberry sparkle Platypus, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Joe Bernard]

"What I've learned from this is I probably can't keep up with Leah!"

Dude if I ever show up for a group ride with the Killer Hill Crusher I'm 
not even pretending. I'm bringing an ebike! 😂

Joe "I'm gonna need a little assistance here" Bernard
On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:19:35 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> What I've learned from this is I probably can't keep up with Leah!  
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Joe Bernard]

It's brake hole to rim center you gotta get right. A medium-reach caliper 
won't reach the rim as the Gallop is currently configured. 


On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:14:28 PM UTC-8 Brady Smith wrote:

> Is there any reason why one couldn’t just use medium reach brakes with 
> skinnier tires on this new model? I’m starting to wonder if the new VO 
> Randonneur might not be a better option, or if I should just keep an eye 
> out for an older Roadini/Rambouillet. I already have a BMC monster cross I 
> use with 42mm tires. 
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 12:59:29 PM UTC-7 Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
>> Count me among those with no enthusiasm for 55-73mm long reach caliper 
>> brakes. IME, much worse performance than medium 47-57mm reach brakes. In 
>> the medium reach format, one has several high quality brake options: Velo 
>> Orange Grand Cru, TRP 957, and Paul Racer M. In long reach calipers, 
>> especially now that the Paul Racer regulars have been discontinued, there 
>> are no high performance options to my knowledge.
>>
>> I would have prefered sticking with the medium reach, or going to canti 
>> posts if wider than 38mm tires is a must.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:38:54 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> I was excited for a Charles H Gallop too, but no v-brakes means I’m out. 
>>> Wish I could snag that prototype, because that is just an ideal setup. 
>>>
>>> But the Sam Hillborne also started with long reach brakes (like mine) 
>>> and eventually made its way to canti/V-brake posts so hopefully CHG goes 
>>> the same way and sooner than later. 
>>>
>>> Abe
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 09:38:06 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I was really looking forward to the CHG, but the long reach 
 brakes kill it for me. 

 Eric


 On Sunday, January 16, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:

> I am a little shocked that they are apparently bringing that change 
> over to the Charlie Gallop too. Instead of the V-brake/cantilever setup 
> that the previous prototype had. Since they are designing their own V 
> brakes that look to be quite nice it seems that they would push the bikes 
> toward that. The only reason I can think that they would make that change 
> is because sidepulls are a little more common on road style bikes. But 
> making a decision based only on aesthetics seems counter to how Rivendell 
> normally does things.
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>
>> I'm so glad I bought my Roadini frame before this change! The 559 
>> brakes do not work for me: poor power in dry conditions and unusable in 
>> wet. I find that 33mm tires have plenty of cush and 42's would probably 
>> create toe overlap on a 50 size frame. I'm grateful to have found a 
>> Rivendell frame that works for me. 
>> [image: DSC00040.JPG]
>>
>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 9:46:12 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>>> I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed 
>>> for R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as 
>>> I’m 
>>> concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
>>> coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. 
>>> That 
>>> may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 
>>> 80’s 
>>> Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>> Seattle 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: SF Bay Area powdercoat

[Joe Bernard]

Eh, it's more of a lark because I'm looking at most of the bike being 
stripped down than any commentary on the stock color. It looks great as is! 
I probably won't change it! 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:58:13 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> You don't like your pistachio green? I have one of the first batch Gray 
> Neutrinos, and almost wish I had waited. Of course, the purple anodized 
> bits would not have gone well with the green though. Everybody should have 
> a Neutrino, I got one because I am too fat to ride my Bike Friday.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 8:56:13 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Thanks everybody, West Coast sounds like the answer, especially if they 
>> do those gorgeous Fitz's. And the price is right! I kinda doubt I'll 
>> actually make the plunge but could happen 🤷
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:47:16 PM UTC-8 DB wrote:
>>
>>> I can vouch for West Coast Powdercoating.  I had my bike repainted there 
>>> last year and I'm really happy with it.  They charged $175 and the 
>>> turnaround time was only 4 days.  D&D and Ed Litton are the others I know 
>>> of but charge more and take a lot longer.  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know someone who just got a very nice powdercoat from West Coast 
>>>> Powdercoating in SF, sounds like $200 - 240 is the going rate which is 
>>>> impressively cheap for a nice paintjob. 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 15 January 2022 at 18:09:48 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is a low probability project but my new-to-me V-O Neutrino mini 
>>>>> velo (it's awesome, get one!) is going to get stripped down for a new 
>>>>> cockpit and cables and I'm tempted to keep stripping stuff off until 
>>>>> there's just frame to put a new color on. I don't need fancy wet paint, 
>>>>> just a basic one color powdercoat..who's good for this in my area? 
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Joe Bernard]

It depends on when the frame was built, it could be several years away from 
when that spec sheet was published. The ad says it's measured C-to-T so I 
believe it's a real 50cm frame, and my (vague) memory of that time is it 
came with 26" wheels. The Rambouillet in 50 and 52cm also used the smaller 
wheels. 



On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:29:26 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> But in the spec sheet Jim attached, the smallest size is 52cm. I guess it 
> depends on how Rivendell  measures .CC or CT?  Rear spacing is 130 and 
> wheel size is 700 c according to the Riv spec.
>
> Nice frame...grab it if it fits!
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:20:20 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I've been staring at that frame for weeks, it's gorgeous! At 5'-6"-ish 
>> it's too small for me, I'll bet a 50 × 52cm would be perfect for you, 
>> especially with drops or Moustache/Albastache bars. 
>>
>> The listing says 125 rear spacing but I'm pretty sure all Riv Roads werr 
>> 130. Check for wheel size, I think the 50cm frames used 26" like mountain 
>> bikes. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html
>>>
>>> I'm going to see it next week to decide.
>>>
>>> 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 
>>>
>>> 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other 
>>> tips or advice on this particular frame? 
>>>
>>> -Adrianna
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Homer Hilsen Refreash

[Joe Bernard]

I think it will be a wonderful tribute to your dad to keep that bike on the 
road. 

Long-reach calipers: I don't love them either but if you have good pads 
they'll probably be fine. Paul Centerpulls are great if you want to spend 
the cash, but it's a lot of cash! 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:59:42 PM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks All!
>
> Joe- that build looks similar to what I'm thinking... The will actually be 
> shipped out Monday, so I'll see what I got to work with when it gets here. 
> I'm really excited as I know Dad would have wanted to me to use it for 
> sure. 
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:28:02 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Chris, here's the setup on my custom which I just got back from riding 
>> and can't say enough good things about. It's a SRAM Rival 1 derailleur with 
>> SunRace 11-50 11-speed cassette..the cage/pulleys are Garbaruk fron Analog 
>> Cycles but honestly the stock cage worked fine before I made the switch. 
>> Front is 36t. I use a trigger shifter but you can match this drivetrain to 
>> Rival 1 dropbar levers. 
>>
>> *zoom for detail, the background in this pic kinda washes everything out*
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:44:12 PM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy, been a member for a while, don't post much. 
>>>
>>> Looking for some ideas from the collective here...
>>>
>>> Background:
>>> My dad passed away last year and I will soon be getting his very lightly 
>>> used Riv Homer Hilsen. The bike is currently set up (as far as I know) with 
>>> swept-back bars, MTB levers, 9sp RD (Deore maybe?), Triple front chainset 
>>> (Sugino), Paul Thumbies, and Riv Silver brakes.
>>>
>>> I'm looking to modernize it a bit with drop bars (Nitto stem/bars), 
>>> tubeless wheels/tires (Pacenti Brevet wheels and Gravel Kings?), and update 
>>> the drivetrain... this last part is where I'm looking for some advice.
>>>
>>> Since I have to invest in new levers and shifters (or at least modify 
>>> the Thumbies to bar ends), I've considering a whole new drivetrain... maybe 
>>> a 1x gravel setup with something like a 42/42? Also, maybe go with a set of 
>>> Paul's in the brake dept? I think I've read the Silver brakes can be a 
>>> little flexy at times?
>>>
>>> I will ride as is for a bit, but... Thoughts? 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: SF Bay Area powdercoat

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks everybody, West Coast sounds like the answer, especially if they do 
those gorgeous Fitz's. And the price is right! I kinda doubt I'll actually 
make the plunge but could happen 🤷



On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:47:16 PM UTC-8 DB wrote:

> I can vouch for West Coast Powdercoating.  I had my bike repainted there 
> last year and I'm really happy with it.  They charged $175 and the 
> turnaround time was only 4 days.  D&D and Ed Litton are the others I know 
> of but charge more and take a lot longer.  
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I know someone who just got a very nice powdercoat from West Coast 
>> Powdercoating in SF, sounds like $200 - 240 is the going rate which is 
>> impressively cheap for a nice paintjob. 
>>
>> On Saturday, 15 January 2022 at 18:09:48 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> This is a low probability project but my new-to-me V-O Neutrino mini 
>>> velo (it's awesome, get one!) is going to get stripped down for a new 
>>> cockpit and cables and I'm tempted to keep stripping stuff off until 
>>> there's just frame to put a new color on. I don't need fancy wet paint, 
>>> just a basic one color powdercoat..who's good for this in my area? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Joe Bernard]

I've been staring at that frame for weeks, it's gorgeous! At 5'-6"-ish it's 
too small for me, I'll bet a 50 × 52cm would be perfect for you, especially 
with drops or Moustache/Albastache bars. 

The listing says 125 rear spacing but I'm pretty sure all Riv Roads werr 
130. Check for wheel size, I think the 50cm frames used 26" like mountain 
bikes. 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html
>
> I'm going to see it next week to decide.
>
> 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 
>
> 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other tips 
> or advice on this particular frame? 
>
> -Adrianna
>

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[RBW] Re: [Repainted] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route

[Joe Bernard]

It's. So. RAD 😎



On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 8:28:12 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> So as some of you already know, I had my Bombadil (bought from Joe in 
> 2020) repainted by local legend Chris Dekerf. I stripped it down in 
> September, and just got it together again for a ride today. 
>
> I took it up the same valley route north of the city as my original post 
> about this bike, though I didn't make it as far due to the conditions. Here 
> are some photos though! 
>
> Full detail about the ride is here:  
> https://www.jasonmytail.com/2022/01/16/2022-01-15-bombadil-rebirth-ride/

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[RBW] SF Bay Area powdercoat

[Joe Bernard]

This is a low probability project but my new-to-me V-O Neutrino mini velo 
(it's awesome, get one!) is going to get stripped down for a new cockpit 
and cables and I'm tempted to keep stripping stuff off until there's just 
frame to put a new color on. I don't need fancy wet paint, just a basic one 
color powdercoat..who's good for this in my area? 

Joe Bernard

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[RBW] Re: FS: Ergon GP1 grips, S

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD



On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:54:47 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Very recently bought for 40 bucks, the pic is supposed to show the one 
> mark on them from knocking it against a door jam but you really can't see 
> it. I'm spoiled by the GC1 model on my custom and need to buy more for my 
> V-O Neutrino!
>
> Small diameter for smaller hands
> $25 shipped 
> PayPal, Venmo, check, stuff the cash in an envelope, whatever ya like! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[Joe Bernard]

We can, in fact, fall from grace and return to it. Which is entirely off 
topic but there ya go. 


On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:39:02 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I see Grant's point about triples, I just don't agree with it. My custom 
> runs a 36 × 11-51 11-speed and I love not messing with two shifters and the 
> chain-suck/drop issues that come with front derailers. One is enough! (for 
> me) 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:24:26 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
>
>> It'll be interesting to see what cog sizes the 13-42 has.  I imagine the 
>> 13-34 will be the same as the old Shimano (13-15-17-20-24-28-34, IIRC).  
>> Matched up with a 24-36-48 triple it was an excellent, wide range, easy 
>> shifting drive train.  I also enjoyed his discussion of triples in the 
>> latest blahg.  It seems the supposed simplicity of eliminating the FD by 
>> stacking more & thinner cogs in the back is really self-defeating.  
>> Coupling an 11 or 12 cog cassette with a thinner chain a more sensitive RD 
>> & shifter doesn't smack of simplicity.  Kudos to Rivendell for also 
>> resurrecting cassettes with 14 tooth small cogs.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:17:46 AM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also looking forward to the wide range 7 speed cassettes.  I really 
>>> like the idea of a 7 speed rear hub as well as it would lower the dish of 
>>> the wheel. I recall the old Phil wood 7 speed freewheel hubs were dishless 
>>> (never could afford one when they were available). Not sure if that would 
>>> be possible on a cassette hub. This cassette with a single ring up front 
>>> would be great for around town and a double (or triple) up front would have 
>>> a great range for touring.
>>> Happy to see Grant continuing to come up with new and practical bike 
>>> parts.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option. 
>>>> I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday practical 
>>>> bike gear.
>>>> I will definitely get a couple. 
>>>> I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer. 
>>>> Thank you once again Grant. 
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[Joe Bernard]

I see Grant's point about triples, I just don't agree with it. My custom 
runs a 36 × 11-51 11-speed and I love not messing with two shifters and the 
chain-suck/drop issues that come with front derailers. One is enough! (for 
me) 

Joe Bernard

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:24:26 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> It'll be interesting to see what cog sizes the 13-42 has.  I imagine the 
> 13-34 will be the same as the old Shimano (13-15-17-20-24-28-34, IIRC).  
> Matched up with a 24-36-48 triple it was an excellent, wide range, easy 
> shifting drive train.  I also enjoyed his discussion of triples in the 
> latest blahg.  It seems the supposed simplicity of eliminating the FD by 
> stacking more & thinner cogs in the back is really self-defeating.  
> Coupling an 11 or 12 cog cassette with a thinner chain a more sensitive RD 
> & shifter doesn't smack of simplicity.  Kudos to Rivendell for also 
> resurrecting cassettes with 14 tooth small cogs.  
>
> dougP
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:17:46 AM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> I'm also looking forward to the wide range 7 speed cassettes.  I really 
>> like the idea of a 7 speed rear hub as well as it would lower the dish of 
>> the wheel. I recall the old Phil wood 7 speed freewheel hubs were dishless 
>> (never could afford one when they were available). Not sure if that would 
>> be possible on a cassette hub. This cassette with a single ring up front 
>> would be great for around town and a double (or triple) up front would have 
>> a great range for touring.
>> Happy to see Grant continuing to come up with new and practical bike 
>> parts.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option. 
>>> I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday practical 
>>> bike gear.
>>> I will definitely get a couple. 
>>> I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer. 
>>> Thank you once again Grant. 
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Chainrings NEW 110/74 & 130, TA Dura-Ace Sugino more [long]

[Joe Bernard]

What does TK mean?



On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 12:31:06 PM UTC-8 David Hallerman wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Today’s TK sale continues with chainrings, a big batch. All of these 
> chainrings are new, except for the Suntour bits 15-17. I’m selling most of 
> the 38 items as sets, triples and doubles, mainly 110/74 BCD and several 
> 130 BCD. There’s also a bunch of 74 BCD solo grannies, and a few single 
> rings. A few sets were installed and removed, but never ridden, never 
> chained. Some chainrings have varying degrees of ramps and pins (RP), while 
> some are flat (FL), and are marked with those two acronyms, RP or FL.
>
> All prices include shipping when buyers cover Paypal fees. Photos 
> available as needed. Questions quickly answered. All offers considered, 
> especially for multiple purchases. And if you want any of these rings, send 
> me the item number too - will help both of us.
>
> Thanks for looking. Thanks for helping us downsize.
>
> Dave, who notes how the Sugino Alpina Cospea chainrings are as 
> functionally wonderful as TA chainrings just a matte black with silver 
> teeth rather than the French company’s shiny black with silver teeth
>
> *Double RP*
> 1.   Sugino Alpina Cospea 50/34 black/silver RP (3 sets available) = $65 
> ea.
> 2.   FSA Pro 48/34 black/silver RP = $50
> 3.   Sugino Alpina Cospea 50/36 black/silver RP (2 sets available) = $65 
> ea.
> 4.   FSA Pro 48/36 black/silver RP = $45
> 5.   FSA Pro 50/36 black/silver RP = $45
> 6.   Vuelta USA 48/38 bronze/silver RP = $40
>
> *Triple RP*
> 7.   Vuelta SE Plus 46/34/24 black/silver RP = $60
> 8.   TA Zephyr/Zelito 48/38/28 black/silver RP = $125
> 9.   Avitar Werx 46/36/24 black RP = $60
> 10.  Sugino Supershift Pro 46/36/26 silver RP = $80
>
> *Double FL*
> 11.   Salsa 50/38 110 BCD silver FL = $30
> 12.   Sugino/Avitar 52/38 110 BCD silver FL = $25
>
> *Triple FL*
> 13.   Vuelta USA 48/38/26 silver FL = $35
> 14.   Sakae Ringyo 50/38/28 silver FL = $30
> 15.   Suntour XC Pro PowerRing 46/36/24 dark bronze used/exc. = $30
> 16.   Suntour XC Comp PowerRing 46/36/24 dark grey/black used/exc. = $25
> 17.   Suntour XC Pro PowerRing 46/36/24 dark bronze used/VG = $25
>
> *Granny Rings 74 BCD FL*
> 18.   Avitar XTD 24 silver = $20 SOLD
> 19.   Sakae Platinum 26 silver = $25
> 20.   Vuelta USA 26 silver = $20
> 21.   Sakae Ringyo 26 silver = $20 SOLD
> 22.   Sakae Ringyo 26 black = $20
> 23.   Shimano 26 black = $20
> 24.   Sakae Ninja stainless 28 silver = $25
> 25.   QBP Engagement Ring 28 silver = $20
> 26.   Campagnolo 30 silver = $25
>
> *130 BCD RP & FL*
> 27.   Shimano Dura-Ace (7700) 53/39 130 BCD silver RP = $85
> 28.   Shimano Ultegra (6500) 53/39 130 BCD silver RP = $70
> 29.   Race Face Cadence 53/39 130 BCD silver RP = $75
> 30.   Salsa 52/38 130 BCD silver FL = $40
> 31.   Suntour 52/42 130 BCD silver FL = $35
> 32.   Vuelta USA 52/38 130 BCD silver FL = $35
> 33.   Sugino 50/44 130 BCD silver FL = $30
> 34.   Sakae Ringyo 48/38 130 BCD silver FL = $30
>
> *Singles FL*
> 35.   QBP Engagement Ring 42T 144 BCD silver FL = $25
> 36.   QBP Engagement Ring 52T 110 BCD silver FL = $25
> 37.   Sakae Ringyo 50T 110 BCD silver FL = $20
> 38.   Sugino 52T 130 BCD silver FL = $20
>
> ==
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

[Joe Bernard]

"Don’t listen to Joe - it’s not a contest. 😁"

Well to be fair to me - which I'm always willing to do - I said people 
*shouldn't 
*take all the good stuff off to reduce weight. But you could. But you 
shouldn't! 😬

Joe Bernard
On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 6:59:18 AM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:

> Thanks, Kate!
>
> Nice set-up.  Don’t listen to Joe - it’s not a contest.  😁
> It gives my wife more ammunition, though.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

[Joe Bernard]

Not bad at all. You could lose 4-5 pounds off that bike easy without the 
rack, dyno and lights. Which no one should do! 😁



On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 3:58:02 PM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> [image: 2022.1.11 Mermaid 31 pounds.jpg]
> Weighed in @31 pounds with everything that you seedyno 
> hub+light+bell+cyclometer+2 cages+Nitto back rack with tail light
> Kate... who can lift the weight... in Trenton, NJ
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:59:44 AM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yay Leah,
>> I love the new Platy and of course the #PlatyPosing we have been waiting 
>> for.  The colors shine.  I'm not that hard core either.  I purchased a wool 
>> hat with flaps from RandiJo  but haven't ventured into the cold windy air 
>> to ride yet.  Catch me around March and I'll be there.  Til then, I am 
>> working out indoors and walking daily outside.  Keeping up my upper body 
>> strength for spring posing.  I just received my front bag from Rons.com  
>> and a back bag from Swift.  I'll see if I can get a weight on my bike for 
>> anyone interested. I've ridden for 30 years and never weighed my bikes.  I 
>> never thought it mattered.  I also didn't know better.  Maybe ignorance is 
>> bliss.  I rode a hybrid bike with generic tires across Iowa and thought it 
>> was the most fun thing ever.  Someone on the ride commented on my big tires 
>> at the time and I shook my head and probably said something dumb.  I am 
>> seriously the 'just ride' person out there who gets on a bike and rides.  
>> But now I'm curious.  Since I do lift weights.  My husband lifted the 
>> bike and put in on the Yakima racks on top of his car.  He did it with 
>> ease.  I have a hitch rack on the back of my Subaru that makes it a bit 
>> easier to get a bike on.  
>> Stay tuned.
>> Kate in Trenton, NJ
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:07:27 AM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Demanding passenger, seated in the basket, adds five or so pounds (it 
>>> would be rude to ask the exact amount) to our total weight. 
>>>
>>> She is pleased with this Platy's 'Olive' tones. We'd have to change her 
>>> name to Persimmon or Pomegranate before considering those nice custom 
>>> colors. 
>>>
>>> A typical weekly ride has about a thousand feet of climbing. Even with 
>>> her there, the bike rides wonderfully 'light and breezy', I hardly notice 
>>> she's there, until she looks back at me and whines about our uphill pace. 
>>>
>>> Weather has been clear and cool following some welcome rains last month. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2554.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Cheers, 
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 5:23:54 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Didn't you move to a place that has snow? For grocery getting by pedal 
 power on snowy or icy streets, let me wholeheartedly (and I'm serious 
 here) 
 recommend at British Racing Tricycle. I owned one for 18-24 months before 
 I 
 sold it because I needed the money. I live in the SW high desert where 
 snow 
 that stays rarely sticks around, but I did considerable shopping on it 
 when 
 dry, and during that week or 2 in ~2010 that snow and ice stayed on the 
 ground, I discovered how liberating a third wheel. With a Baggins Hoss on 
 the back, it was the ideal grocery getter*, and with 3 wheels, when I saw 
 ice or snow, I sped up**. If I lived where there was snow on the streets 
 for more than 1 month per year, I'd buy another one.***

 In the photo it has a tiny Camper Longflap, but I did use it with a 
 Hoss, much bigger. Even better: get a custom-made rack / basket for the 
 rear end. Downside: it tends to roll away from you when loading the rear 
 unless you set the "parking brake" by cinching a brake lever. Two front 
 brakes: cantis pulled by left, right pulled a ~1960s Alternburger dual 
 pivot. Both on front wheel. Bottle dynamo with IQ something headlight.

 * I used to wheel it through the aisles of the nearby groceries, as I 
 do my bikes and, nice features: didn't fall over while loading; never had 
 to worry about flipping down the stand or leaning it against a fragile row 
 of merchandise; weight didn't affect handling.

 ** You can also stop dead at stoplights or on hills without unclipping.

 *** I'd also convert from single wheel drive to a 2-wheel Trykit drive. 
 This was 1-wheel drive and British, so that riding on the left, pedaling 
 torque would push you up against the crown of the road and away from the 
 kerb. In US of A, right side riding, the left drive wheel tended to push 
 you down the camber into the curb. But I only noticed this while standing 
 and honking hard up hills, and leaning to the left fixed it. Or perhaps 
 our 
 roads are flatter than in rainier climates.


 [image: image.png]

 On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:40 PM Leah Peterson  
 wrote:

> It’s a shame that my 

Re: [RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[Joe Bernard]

The three of them all lined up together is a LOT. All so tastefully and 
brilliantly executed by Leah and the Analog crew.. excellent work! 
👏👏👏🏆🏆🏆

Joe "bows down" Bernard 

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 2:58:27 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Strangely enough the kids around here say 'sick', so the Play is sick!  
> And that's supposed to be a compliment but that just sounds wrong though to 
> my ears. It is too legit to quit!
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 5:54:03 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Do the kids still say legit? Your new Platy is LEGIT! 🙌
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 2:13:51 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot the green taillight!
>>>
>>> And lastly, the group:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Favorite things, continued: bright lime cog, filigreed metal that is the 
>>> pulley/cage, mismatched brakes and bolts…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2021, at 8:07 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Joe, that mismatched bolt and brake bridge are my favorite details!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Green and yellow/gold on the fork crown, I totally missed that! The cap 
>>> that tightens the cassette down is green, too. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 3:25:54 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love your new not-so-secret Platy.  The greens and golds are rich.  
>>>> Did you notice also the different color nuts (not sure what they are 
>>>> called) on the fork crown?  The gold color of the chain ring bolts?  the 
>>>> green spacer?  Even the chain has a golden undertone.
>>>>
>>>> And, of course, you know about the ride.
>>>>
>>>> Roberta
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 9:34:35 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll 
>>>>> answer them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on 
>>>>> Analog’s Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of 
>>>>> Analog. I don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> the parts arrived to make it a whole bike.
>>>>>
>>>>> I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. 
>>>>> I made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, 
>>>>> because as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. 
>>>>> My 
>>>>> raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
>>>>> keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
>>>>> pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with 
>>>>> racks 
>>>>> and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
>>>>> worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
>>>>> and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 
>>>>>
>>>>> It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale 
>>>>> was long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. 
>>>>> BUT, I found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and 
>>>>> no one had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and 
>>>>> they 
>>>>> did a complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> an earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the 
>>>>> brake colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with 
>>>>> colorful spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON 
>>>>> makes 
>>>>> colorful lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try 
>>>>> Garbaruk - prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> my first 1x build.

Re: [RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[Joe Bernard]

Do the kids still say legit? Your new Platy is LEGIT! 🙌



On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 2:13:51 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I forgot the green taillight!
>
> And lastly, the group:
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Favorite things, continued: bright lime cog, filigreed metal that is the 
> pulley/cage, mismatched brakes and bolts…
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2021, at 8:07 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Joe, that mismatched bolt and brake bridge are my favorite details!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 21, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Green and yellow/gold on the fork crown, I totally missed that! The cap 
> that tightens the cassette down is green, too. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 3:25:54 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I love your new not-so-secret Platy.  The greens and golds are rich.  Did 
>> you notice also the different color nuts (not sure what they are called) on 
>> the fork crown?  The gold color of the chain ring bolts?  the green 
>> spacer?  Even the chain has a golden undertone.
>>
>> And, of course, you know about the ride.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 9:34:35 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll 
>>> answer them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on 
>>> Analog’s Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of 
>>> Analog. I don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now have 
>>> the parts arrived to make it a whole bike.
>>>
>>> I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. I 
>>> made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, because 
>>> as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. My 
>>> raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
>>> keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
>>> pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with racks 
>>> and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
>>> worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I was 
>>> hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
>>> and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 
>>>
>>> It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale was 
>>> long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. BUT, I 
>>> found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and no one 
>>> had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and they did a 
>>> complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went with an 
>>> earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the brake 
>>> colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with colorful 
>>> spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON makes colorful 
>>> lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try Garbaruk - 
>>> prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This is my first 1x 
>>> build. The front and rear Nitto racks were saved from previous bikes and 
>>> will be installed with the lights mounted on them. I will add olive 
>>> Backabikes on the rear and a Goldilocks Fanny to the bars.
>>>
>>> Since the bike was ordered, major life changes have occurred. We moved 
>>> to southwest Michigan last week, and the Clem would be no trouble on the 
>>> elevation here. This 2nd Platy is now probably superfluous. But, I’m still 
>>> overjoyed to have it, and like the other 2 bikes, it will get plenty of 
>>> miles. The winter has been mild so far and in between the chores of setting 
>>> up the new house and unpacking our things, I’ve been out on some brief 
>>> rides. People here keep telling me I need a “beater bike” for the winter, 
>>> but I just like riding my Rivendells. Should I tell them this is my beater 
>>> bike? 
>>>
>>> A common question I get that I’ll address here: Why don’t you sell the 
>>> Clem? Or let it be the utilitarian bike?
>>>
>>> The Clem will never be for sale. It’s hopelessly sentimental to me. I 
>>> know it’s hard to believe I’d care more about the Clem than the fancy 
>>> mermaid Platypus, but I do. That Clem is a hug. Everyone should have one.
>

[RBW] Re: Platypus Questions

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, a Platy should be on the lighter side, remember it's derived from the 
Cheviot which was kind of a droptube Hillborne road bike with road brakes. 
Grant changed the brakes and a couple frame details, but it still should be 
closer to Hillborne and Homer than the touring/fire roads category covered 
by Atlantis and Appaloosa. 


On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:48:39 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> I don't mind a heavy-ish bike (I do own Rivendells, after all), but it can 
> be too heavy for me to lift onto a bike rack or over a log.  I never 
> weighed my Platy, but I built it up with lightish parts--Brevet rims, some 
> kind of Gravel King tires run tubeless, 1x with Garbaruk cassette (they 
> remove unneeded metal), SKS fenders and lighter Axiom rack.  One light 
> nylon bag.   I did spend "poundage" by installing a Brooks B68 and 
> Greenfield kickstand.   I can lift it, but it is heavier than my more bare 
> AHomerHilsen. 
>
> The *ride*, though, is light--light and breezy.  My old "lightened up" 
> Appaloosa probably weighed about the same, and it rode great, but not the 
> light and breezy ride of the Platy.
>
> If you're ever on the eastern side of the state, I'm in Philadelphia and 
> wouldn't mind letting your wife test my 55cm Platy.
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 4:43:34 PM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:
>
>>
>> Another question...How much does the Platypus weigh?  When I see 
>> pictures, especially of Leah's beautiful bike, it seems to be exactly what 
>> my wife describes as the bike she wants.  When I offer to look for one to 
>> replace the Tr*k we bought in desperation this past year, she says she 
>> doesn't want that heavy of a bike.  She may be projecting my Atlantis and 
>> Sam Hillborne builds onto the Platy.
>>
>> Rusty C.
>> Pgh, PA
>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:58:04 AM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any suggestions with regards to putting it on a work stand? For some 
>>> reason, it feels wobbly when I clamp the seat post, but I probably just 
>>> need to get used to it and trust that it will be okay.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 5:45:07 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Hi, Hugo. 

 I'm so glad you're enjoying the ride of your bike.  Me, too! I had a 
 stand (no kick.  you'd remove it when not in use) that attached to the 
 rear 
 axle.  While that worked perfect for my shorter chain stay Homer, there 
 was 
 too much weight in front and Platy would get tipsy.  I opted for the 
 standard Greenfield single leg kickstand with the foot, so it wouldn't mar 
 my floor.  Works perfectly.  <$20.

 Roberta

 On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Everyone, I have been enjoying my 60cm Platypus since I received it 
> in October. On rides, I have been loving the extra long top tube, 
> however, 
> it has made the bike unwieldy when it is in storage, on the repair stand 
> or 
> locked up. Anyone else having these issues? Anyone have any suggestions 
> for 
> 1. a good kickstand, and 2. a good position on the repair stand? Thanks!
>
> As far as kickstands are concerned, I did try the single leg kick 
> stand that came with my Big Dummy long tail cargo bike, however, it did 
> not 
> work. The Big Dummy's extra length is in the extra long chain stay 
> whereas 
> the Platypus's extra length is in every part of the geometry being 
> stretched out. I also purchased a Pletscher twin kickstand, however it 
> appears that the kickstand plate on the Platypus is built only for a 
> single 
> kick stand. Has anyone had any luck getting the twin on the Platypus, or 
> should I just shell out and get one of the recommended kickstands from 
> Riv? 
> If so, does someone recommend a specific model for the Platypus?
>
> Thanks! - HH 
>


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[RBW] Re: Platypus Questions

[Joe Bernard]

As long as the seatpost is tight in the frame and the clamp is tight on the 
post you should be good. My very long Platy-ish custom is the same way in 
my Park stand, those wheels are wa out there and you're going to get a 
rocking effect when working on it. 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 8:58:04 AM UTC-8 hugohal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Any suggestions with regards to putting it on a work stand? For some 
> reason, it feels wobbly when I clamp the seat post, but I probably just 
> need to get used to it and trust that it will be okay.
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 5:45:07 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi, Hugo. 
>>
>> I'm so glad you're enjoying the ride of your bike.  Me, too! I had a 
>> stand (no kick.  you'd remove it when not in use) that attached to the rear 
>> axle.  While that worked perfect for my shorter chain stay Homer, there was 
>> too much weight in front and Platy would get tipsy.  I opted for the 
>> standard Greenfield single leg kickstand with the foot, so it wouldn't mar 
>> my floor.  Works perfectly.  <$20.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone, I have been enjoying my 60cm Platypus since I received it 
>>> in October. On rides, I have been loving the extra long top tube, however, 
>>> it has made the bike unwieldy when it is in storage, on the repair stand or 
>>> locked up. Anyone else having these issues? Anyone have any suggestions for 
>>> 1. a good kickstand, and 2. a good position on the repair stand? Thanks!
>>>
>>> As far as kickstands are concerned, I did try the single leg kick stand 
>>> that came with my Big Dummy long tail cargo bike, however, it did not work. 
>>> The Big Dummy's extra length is in the extra long chain stay whereas the 
>>> Platypus's extra length is in every part of the geometry being stretched 
>>> out. I also purchased a Pletscher twin kickstand, however it appears that 
>>> the kickstand plate on the Platypus is built only for a single kick stand. 
>>> Has anyone had any luck getting the twin on the Platypus, or should I just 
>>> shell out and get one of the recommended kickstands from Riv? If so, does 
>>> someone recommend a specific model for the Platypus?
>>>
>>> Thanks! - HH 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: XL Susie Handlebar dilemma

[Joe Bernard]

At first it sounds like a Billie would do the trick but then you say it's 
not a 'fun stuff' bar. For less flare I would recommend the Riv Nitto Wavie 
or Velo-Orange Postino..both 25.4, both in stock. I don't know if they'll 
hit the reach-back spot, though, you may need the Billie for that. 

Joe Bernard
On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 5:24:32 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:

> Alright folks I'm coming to the brains trust here. Don't let me down!
> I was relying/hoping to get my hands on a Rons Back Bar but no bueno 
> because I was asleep/at work while they were going out of stock.
> Custom handlebars have been suggested which is brilliant except that my 
> main spec requirement is that my handlebars be Aluminium. I am going for a 
> 'light' build and also it's just a preference that I'm sticking to. It is 
> the reason I have also ruled out Tosco bars. Tosco's are almost exactly 
> what I want but for the Cro-mo part.
>
> *My needs:*
> -Aluminium
> -Comes back a bunch
> -Is wider than 600mm
> -Has a nice amount of flare 40-60 degree range preferred
> -Not too much rise
> -Bar and stem combo Are in stock somewhere or will be in stock in a 
> reasonable time frame.
>
> *My Problems:*
> -Reach on an XL frame. I have no idea how to know exactly what I am going 
> to need reach wise but I know i'll need those bars to come back. ETT length 
> from the stats Riv published years ago don't really tell me enough with the 
> converging seat/headtube angle and unknown stack. I'm 187cm tall with a 
> 90cm PBH so longer leg to arm ratio. This bike is going to be *HUGE* for 
> me but I'm 3cm within the fit range so...
> -For a Flatish bars the best pick I can see would be a Jones non-loop bar. 
> It has the width and flare I would be good with but I will need a zero 
> reach stem or like a crust BJ. The problem here is finding a 31.8 clamp 
> diameter quill stem in stock? I don't like my chances.
> -For bars that come back Billie is my preference. Loscos are not wide 
> enough and don't have enough flare. Boscos have too much rise and not 
> enough flare but might be wide enough. The Tosco is steel only. The problem 
> is with all these options is flare. this is the problem Ron's Back Bar 
> solved for me. Billie is a great bar for 8 hours in the saddle rolling 
> along but for 'fun stuff' it's not as good.
>
> *HALP:*
> Please point me towards an obvious solution that I have missed! Thank you!
>
> Also I live in Australia so everything is harder to get and shipping would 
> make you Americans cry yourselves to sleep. Don't even start on exchange 
> rates/ import duties and taxes.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Joe Bernard]

"Xtreme comfort tech"

I love it 😂

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 10:49:06 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Some have cyclers have been waiting for these, Ron's swept-back super wide 
> bars. They quietly went up on the Crust site this week. I believe these are 
> based on Bosco bars that Ron modified by somehow flattening and bending 
> them to make 'em wider.  
>
> https://crustbikes.com/products/rons-ortho-bar-for-whenever-it-shows-up
>

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