Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[P W]

Trevor, love your Bombadil! Would build one very close to that, if I ever
had the chance.

What bars are those on it?

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 4:40 AM Trevor Bradshaw 
wrote:

> Late to the party but I absolutely love my Bombadil. Sure it's pretty and
> popular with twin top tube enthusiasts but it also performs well off-road.
> Originally in a touring setup, I swapped a few things around just in time
> for a 65-mile ride through Hickman County, TN at an organized gravel event.
> While other's bikes were snapping and getting mechanicals, this bike easily
> cruised through the muddy day up and down into creeks and hollows. No
> flats, just lots and lots of mud, and a perfect adventure for the
> well-built Bombadil.
>
> "I LOVE your bike. I can't believe you are getting that thing dirty."
>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[Chris L]

I've found that the 71cm Jones Bar with his grips is a fantastic setup for 
my Hunqapillar.  LOVE the look of the Bullmoose, though!  

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:46:51 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> That's a great idea, that's what I have on the Jones bar... I'll swap 'em 
> out and try that. Thanks John!
>
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:37:59 PM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote:
>
>> Hello Max!
>>
>> Nice Bombadil and great photos. 
>>
>> For the bullmoose, I find that ergo grips (ergon or anything with a 
>> paddle under your palms) help with the position. Maybe worth a try?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 6:11:20 PM UTC+2 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
>>> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
>>> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
>>> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
>>> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
>>> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't 
>>> seem to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>>>
>>> [image: bomba2.jpg]
>>>
>>> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks 
>>> Jason for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering 
>>> some parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
>>> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
>>> iteration. 
>>>
>>> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
>>> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
>>> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
>>>  (pretty cool site with 
>>> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
>>> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
>>> recommended.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9934.jpeg]
>>>
>>> After getting to the entrance of the Fells, I started thinking that 
>>> perhaps this wasn't ideal for my slick tires and fenders. Many of the 
>>> trails had big rocks and require you to dismount and walk (see below) but I 
>>> guess that's part of the fun so I kept going.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9918.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9923.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I walked up the slope and then started riding a winding gravel path with 
>>> some smaller rocks. There were some wet / muddy patches but overall it was 
>>> all very enjoyable and the bike handled great.
>>>
>>> [image: 4EEC3310-9B05-419E-9A9D-3B2F0A9E8D1D.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9930.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I think the cockpit is ideal for this type of riding, which leaves me 
>>> wishing the wrist position would be an issue. I'll give it more miles 
>>> before deciding what to do.
>>>
>>> I had to lower the bar quite a bit from my initial position because I 
>>> wanted to use my Rod Steward (Pec Deck v2) and if I had the bars higher up, 
>>> it just wouldn't reach. I'll take it off and try with the bars higher. It's 
>>> also very close to the Paul canti arms, so maybe not the best fit for this 
>>> build.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9935.jpeg]
>>>
>>> When I stopped following the route and started following my GPS to get 
>>> home, I ended up going through some areas that weren't very bike friendly - 
>>> after the photo below. I had to carry the bike up a slope and ended up in a 
>>> place with huge rocks. Once I crossed I rode a bit more and hit the main 
>>> road which brought me back home.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9941.jpeg]
>>>
>>> All in all, the bike was amazing throughout the 13.5 mile ride. I feel 
>>> incredibly lucky to have found this rare 2TT on my size! Can't wait to go 
>>> out again.
>>>
>>> Max near Boston.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[maxcr]

That's a great idea, that's what I have on the Jones bar... I'll swap 'em 
out and try that. Thanks John!

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:37:59 PM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote:

> Hello Max!
>
> Nice Bombadil and great photos. 
>
> For the bullmoose, I find that ergo grips (ergon or anything with a paddle 
> under your palms) help with the position. Maybe worth a try?
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 6:11:20 PM UTC+2 maxcr wrote:
>
>> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
>> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
>> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
>> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
>> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
>> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
>> thread.
>>
>> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't 
>> seem to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>>
>> [image: bomba2.jpg]
>>
>> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks Jason 
>> for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering some 
>> parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
>> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
>> iteration. 
>>
>> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
>> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
>> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
>>  (pretty cool site with 
>> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
>> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
>> recommended.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9934.jpeg]
>>
>> After getting to the entrance of the Fells, I started thinking that 
>> perhaps this wasn't ideal for my slick tires and fenders. Many of the 
>> trails had big rocks and require you to dismount and walk (see below) but I 
>> guess that's part of the fun so I kept going.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9918.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_9923.jpeg]
>>
>> I walked up the slope and then started riding a winding gravel path with 
>> some smaller rocks. There were some wet / muddy patches but overall it was 
>> all very enjoyable and the bike handled great.
>>
>> [image: 4EEC3310-9B05-419E-9A9D-3B2F0A9E8D1D.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_9930.jpeg]
>>
>> I think the cockpit is ideal for this type of riding, which leaves me 
>> wishing the wrist position would be an issue. I'll give it more miles 
>> before deciding what to do.
>>
>> I had to lower the bar quite a bit from my initial position because I 
>> wanted to use my Rod Steward (Pec Deck v2) and if I had the bars higher up, 
>> it just wouldn't reach. I'll take it off and try with the bars higher. It's 
>> also very close to the Paul canti arms, so maybe not the best fit for this 
>> build.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9935.jpeg]
>>
>> When I stopped following the route and started following my GPS to get 
>> home, I ended up going through some areas that weren't very bike friendly - 
>> after the photo below. I had to carry the bike up a slope and ended up in a 
>> place with huge rocks. Once I crossed I rode a bit more and hit the main 
>> road which brought me back home.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9941.jpeg]
>>
>> All in all, the bike was amazing throughout the 13.5 mile ride. I feel 
>> incredibly lucky to have found this rare 2TT on my size! Can't wait to go 
>> out again.
>>
>> Max near Boston.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[John Johnson]

Hello Max!

Nice Bombadil and great photos. 

For the bullmoose, I find that ergo grips (ergon or anything with a paddle 
under your palms) help with the position. Maybe worth a try?

Cheers,

John

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 6:11:20 PM UTC+2 maxcr wrote:

> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
> thread.
>
> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't seem 
> to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>
> [image: bomba2.jpg]
>
> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks Jason 
> for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering some 
> parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
> iteration. 
>
> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
>  (pretty cool site with 
> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
> recommended.
>
> [image: IMG_9934.jpeg]
>
> After getting to the entrance of the Fells, I started thinking that 
> perhaps this wasn't ideal for my slick tires and fenders. Many of the 
> trails had big rocks and require you to dismount and walk (see below) but I 
> guess that's part of the fun so I kept going.
>
> [image: IMG_9918.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_9923.jpeg]
>
> I walked up the slope and then started riding a winding gravel path with 
> some smaller rocks. There were some wet / muddy patches but overall it was 
> all very enjoyable and the bike handled great.
>
> [image: 4EEC3310-9B05-419E-9A9D-3B2F0A9E8D1D.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_9930.jpeg]
>
> I think the cockpit is ideal for this type of riding, which leaves me 
> wishing the wrist position would be an issue. I'll give it more miles 
> before deciding what to do.
>
> I had to lower the bar quite a bit from my initial position because I 
> wanted to use my Rod Steward (Pec Deck v2) and if I had the bars higher up, 
> it just wouldn't reach. I'll take it off and try with the bars higher. It's 
> also very close to the Paul canti arms, so maybe not the best fit for this 
> build.
>
> [image: IMG_9935.jpeg]
>
> When I stopped following the route and started following my GPS to get 
> home, I ended up going through some areas that weren't very bike friendly - 
> after the photo below. I had to carry the bike up a slope and ended up in a 
> place with huge rocks. Once I crossed I rode a bit more and hit the main 
> road which brought me back home.
>
> [image: IMG_9941.jpeg]
>
> All in all, the bike was amazing throughout the 13.5 mile ride. I feel 
> incredibly lucky to have found this rare 2TT on my size! Can't wait to go 
> out again.
>
> Max near Boston.
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Luke Hendrickson]

I gotta see that when it’s painted!
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 5:57:01 PM UTC-8 mitchel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Recently scored a 64cm Bombadil Prototype - currently getting blasted and 
> painted @ D ! Reading these Bombadil articles have got me real stoked!
> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 8:56:54 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the links, Gino. 
>>
>> Here in 2023 I think we'd all be down for a Bombadil at $1,600 for the 
>> frame and fork. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:17:41 PM UTC-5 Gino Zahnd wrote:
>>
>>> In 2008 I rode the Bomba prototype for a few weeks. Here are my photos 
>>> from then:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/albums/72157607024143730
>>>
>>> And my review of it in 2008:
>>>
>>> https://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:16:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Mitch]

Recently scored a 64cm Bombadil Prototype - currently getting blasted and 
painted @ D ! Reading these Bombadil articles have got me real stoked!
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 8:56:54 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the links, Gino. 
>
> Here in 2023 I think we'd all be down for a Bombadil at $1,600 for the 
> frame and fork. 
>
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:17:41 PM UTC-5 Gino Zahnd wrote:
>
>> In 2008 I rode the Bomba prototype for a few weeks. Here are my photos 
>> from then:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/albums/72157607024143730
>>
>> And my review of it in 2008:
>>
>> https://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:16:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>>
>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>>
>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>>> thread 
>>> ,
>>>  there's 
>>> some great info there. 
>>>
>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>>
>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>>
>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>>
>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
>>> here .
>>>
>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for the links, Gino. 

Here in 2023 I think we'd all be down for a Bombadil at $1,600 for the 
frame and fork. 

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:17:41 PM UTC-5 Gino Zahnd wrote:

> In 2008 I rode the Bomba prototype for a few weeks. Here are my photos 
> from then:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/albums/72157607024143730
>
> And my review of it in 2008:
>
> https://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:16:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>
>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
>> .
>>
>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>
>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Gino Zahnd]

In 2008 I rode the Bomba prototype for a few weeks. Here are my photos from 
then:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/albums/72157607024143730

And my review of it in 2008:
https://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:16:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Leslie]

That was exactly what I spec'd it as, since they were kinda semi-custom, I 
wanted the Ram orange on it.(My Ram is a green one, but then I later 
found a tall Ram frame for my son, so we've got two Ram orange bikes and 
then my canti-Rom is that light silverish blue color.)

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:52:33 AM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:

> Leslie, is your frame painted the same color as the Orange Rambouillet?  
> Did you have it painted or did it come from Riv like that?  If I ever get 
> my Hunqapillar repainted it will match the original Rams.  
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:32:36 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:
>
>> I'd originally put a deposit down on a normal Bomba (56, a 650b);  then 
>> they started talking about the diaga-Bomba, and I called in, paid the diff, 
>> upgraded to it instead.  
>>
>> When I first built up my Bomba, I was running 2.4 NeoMotos on it (under 
>> fenders).I then tried out swapping to my 700c wheelset off my Ram 
>> (ended up converting the Ram to 650b). 
>> Later went to non-knobbies, then robbed that cockpit for my son's Ram.   
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
>>> seller).
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:
>>>

 There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
 Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
 remember the longer bolt being included.
 [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
 - Frank
 On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify 
> for the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.
>
> [image: B72side s.jpg]
>
> [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, 
>> find a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
>> Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty 
>> well 
>> with the B-72 on my Hunq.
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the 
>>> Breezer Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, 
>>> used 
>>> to be on my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 
>>> years 
>>> ago) with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>

 Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
 https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
 On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
>> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
>> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
>> Rosco 
>> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
>> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>>
>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
>> Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat, 
>>  Kent 
>> Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>
>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jennings]

Leslie, is your frame painted the same color as the Orange Rambouillet?  
Did you have it painted or did it come from Riv like that?  If I ever get 
my Hunqapillar repainted it will match the original Rams.  

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:32:36 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:

> I'd originally put a deposit down on a normal Bomba (56, a 650b);  then 
> they started talking about the diaga-Bomba, and I called in, paid the diff, 
> upgraded to it instead.  
>
> When I first built up my Bomba, I was running 2.4 NeoMotos on it (under 
> fenders).I then tried out swapping to my 700c wheelset off my Ram 
> (ended up converting the Ram to 650b). 
> Later went to non-knobbies, then robbed that cockpit for my son's Ram.   
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
>   
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
>> seller).
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
>>> Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
>>> remember the longer bolt being included.
>>> [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
>>> - Frank
>>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify 
 for the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.

 [image: B72side s.jpg]

 [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]

 Laing


 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, 
> find a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
> Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty 
> well 
> with the B-72 on my Hunq.
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer 
>> Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be 
>> on 
>> my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) 
>> with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
>>> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
 condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.

 JohnS


 On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
> Rosco 
> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>
> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
> Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  
> Kent 
> Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>
> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>
> JohnS
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Leslie]

I'd originally put a deposit down on a normal Bomba (56, a 650b);  then 
they started talking about the diaga-Bomba, and I called in, paid the diff, 
upgraded to it instead.  

When I first built up my Bomba, I was running 2.4 NeoMotos on it (under 
fenders).I then tried out swapping to my 700c wheelset off my Ram 
(ended up converting the Ram to 650b). 
Later went to non-knobbies, then robbed that cockpit for my son's Ram.   

https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
  



On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
> seller).
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ
>
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:
>
>>
>> There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
>> Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
>> remember the longer bolt being included.
>> [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
>> - Frank
>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify for 
>>> the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.
>>>
>>> [image: B72side s.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, 
 find a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
 Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty 
 well 
 with the B-72 on my Hunq.

 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer 
> Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be 
> on 
> my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) 
> with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>>
>> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
>> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
>>> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
 Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
 Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
 Rosco 
 Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
 Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.

 Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
 Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  
 Kent 
 Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).

 Laing


 On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
 Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???

 Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)

 JohnS



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[greenteadrinkers]

Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
seller).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:

>
> There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
> Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
> remember the longer bolt being included.
> [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
> - Frank
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify for 
>> the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.
>>
>> [image: B72side s.jpg]
>>
>> [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, find 
>>> a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
>>> Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty well 
>>> with the B-72 on my Hunq.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer 
 Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be 
 on 
 my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) 
 with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.

 Laing

 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

>
> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
>> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
>>> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
>>> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
>>> Rosco 
>>> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>>>
>>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
>>> Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  
>>> Kent 
>>> Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>>
>>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[James M]

Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, find a 
3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had Shapeways 
print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty well with the 
B-72 on my Hunq.

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer Seat 
> Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be on my 
> fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) with a 
> black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>>
>> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
>> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
>>> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
 Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
 Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco 
 Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
 Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.

 Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 
 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
 (recumbent 3 wheeler).

 Laing


 On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
 Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???

 Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)

 JohnS



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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Slin]

It’d be cool to see photos or videos of someone riding the bike. I’m 
curious about how the handlebars can be comfy at that angle!


On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:08:20 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> More correctly, mine has a crescent moon above the curly-cue as opposed to 
> the three dots above the curly cue.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:45:44 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> Something that I have noticed is that My Bombadil has a different fork 
>> crown than many. Most seem to have the curly-cue on the crown but mine has 
>> crescent moon, like the Clementine:
>>
>> [image: Curly-Cue.JPG]  
>>
>> [image: bomb2 (2).jpg]  [image: Capture (3).PNG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:16:08 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[lconley]

More correctly, mine has a crescent moon above the curly-cue as opposed to 
the three dots above the curly cue.

Laing

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:45:44 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Something that I have noticed is that My Bombadil has a different fork 
> crown than many. Most seem to have the curly-cue on the crown but mine has 
> crescent moon, like the Clementine:
>
> [image: Curly-Cue.JPG]  
>
> [image: bomb2 (2).jpg]  [image: Capture (3).PNG]
>
> Laing
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:16:08 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[lconley]

After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer Seat 
Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be on my 
fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) with a 
black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.

Laing

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

>
> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
>> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
>>> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
>>> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco 
>>> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>>>
>>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 
>>> 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
>>> (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>>
>>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Brian Turner]

That was great… but “balloon tire bike”?? On Feb 6, 2023, at 7:29 AM, maxcr  wrote:Enjoy, Johns article is up: https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.JohnSOn Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).LaingOn Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)JohnS



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[maxcr]

Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, Mystery 
>> Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, Rivendell 
>> Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
>> Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The Hubbuhubbuh has 
>> been sold since the picture was taken.
>>
>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 2 
>> Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
>> (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>
>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[JohnS]

Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.

JohnS


On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, Mystery 
> Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, Rivendell 
> Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
> Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The Hubbuhubbuh has 
> been sold since the picture was taken.
>
> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 2 
> Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
> (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>
> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>
> JohnS
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[lconley]

8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, Mystery 
Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, Rivendell 
Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The Hubbuhubbuh has 
been sold since the picture was taken.

Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 2 
Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
(recumbent 3 wheeler).

Laing

On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???

Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)

JohnS

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[JohnS]

Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???

Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)

JohnS


On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 6:21:15 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:28:29 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
> One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 
>
> It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and relatively 
> traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming meant more 
> for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting lnger and 
> more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the Bombadils in 
> terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under the 
> impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always from 
> what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 
>
> It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
> were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
> physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 
>
> Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a 
> hunqapillar and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back 
> oriented designs? 
>
>
> Mackenzey, You have it correct in that the Bombas were a bit longer in 
> reach and front-center overall. There's no direct comparing them as the 
> frame sizes were never the same, save the 48cm. If the H frames were an 
> equal to or greater than the B in terms of stack, reach and f-c I would 
> have purchased one, but they were not.  Even the 62 H didn't have the 
> reach/f-c of 60 B.The 60 B from the original batch is dimensionally "just 
> right" for me. 
>
> The frames in mass didn't go looong-er in the font end until the 2019 Clem 
> update. Well, not all of them did, not the road bikes. But all the others 
> went much longer than previous. As if everyone wants or needs to ride with 
> a vertical posture ? (Rhetorically) Hah hah  certainly 
> not...(Me,We,Thee) !  To me the whole lengthening of the bikes is from the 
> belief in the vertical posture(ride like a horseman) thing and long 
> chainstays. Having the rear end long, without the front long, and sitting 
> vertically, well I could sense that as being a bit unbalanced feeling. 
> (opinion here) Well gee, the vertical benefit thing is assumptive to begin 
> with so there is no cure/compensation for it. If the stays weren't so 
> long the front end wouldn't need to be so long either, like how the Bomba 
> is. Of course one can still ride posture-vertical on any bike if that's 
> your thing, you certainly don't need surfboard length to do it. 
>
> In regards to decals mine has none, as it had the original font style that 
> to me, just didn't fit the bike. I prefer no brandings/names of frames 
> anyways. Create a cool looking(subjective, I know) small "LaBomba" or "Mad 
> Bomba" sticker and maybe I'd consider it   ((( laughing ))). The 
> frame/form speaks for itself though and doesn't need anything more. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Garth]

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:28:29 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 

It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and relatively 
traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming meant more 
for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting lnger and 
more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the Bombadils in 
terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under the 
impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always from 
what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 

It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 

Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a hunqapillar 
and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back oriented 
designs? 


Mackenzey, You have it correct in that the Bombas were a bit longer in 
reach and front-center overall. There's no direct comparing them as the 
frame sizes were never the same, save the 48cm. If the H frames were an 
equal to or greater than the B in terms of stack, reach and f-c I would 
have purchased one, but they were not.  Even the 62 H didn't have the 
reach/f-c of 60 B.The 60 B from the original batch is dimensionally "just 
right" for me. 

The frames in mass didn't go looong-er in the font end until the 2019 Clem 
update. Well, not all of them did, not the road bikes. But all the others 
went much longer than previous. As if everyone wants or needs to ride with 
a vertical posture ? (Rhetorically) Hah hah  certainly 
not...(Me,We,Thee) !  To me the whole lengthening of the bikes is from the 
belief in the vertical posture(ride like a horseman) thing and long 
chainstays. Having the rear end long, without the front long, and sitting 
vertically, well I could sense that as being a bit unbalanced feeling. 
(opinion here) Well gee, the vertical benefit thing is assumptive to begin 
with so there is no cure/compensation for it. If the stays weren't so 
long the front end wouldn't need to be so long either, like how the Bomba 
is. Of course one can still ride posture-vertical on any bike if that's 
your thing, you certainly don't need surfboard length to do it. 

In regards to decals mine has none, as it had the original font style that 
to me, just didn't fit the bike. I prefer no brandings/names of frames 
anyways. Create a cool looking(subjective, I know) small "LaBomba" or "Mad 
Bomba" sticker and maybe I'd consider it   ((( laughing ))). The 
frame/form speaks for itself though and doesn't need anything more. 







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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Chris L]

That should have been "advertised 46cm chainstay".   

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:44:29 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:

> For years, RBW's geometry for the 54cm Hunqapillar was incorrect in saying 
> it had a 58cm ETT  when in fact, it had a 59.9 cm ETT.  I have a schematic 
> of the 54 Hunqapillar with the 59.9 length and it also shows 47cm 
> chainstays, instead of the advertised 56cm.  I confirmed with Will that the 
> 59.9 ETT is correct.  
>
> [image: Copy of 00.jpg]
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 3:28:29 PM UTC-6 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 
>>
>> It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and 
>> relatively traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming 
>> meant more for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting 
>> lnger and more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the 
>> Bombadils in terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under 
>> the impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always 
>> from what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 
>>
>> It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
>> were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
>> physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 
>>
>> Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a 
>> hunqapillar and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back 
>> oriented designs? 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:15:25 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. 
>>>
>>> Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee 
>>> shirt with that design. 
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:
>>>
 Ill play along.  I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010.  Its my 
 absolute favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized 
 expedition i owned.  I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was 
 selling when these first came out.  

 On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for 
> John's yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos:
>
> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg]
> Max
> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?
>>
>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
>>> Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9161.jpg]
>>>
>>> Happy holidays,
>>> Vern in San Francisco
>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 
>>> foolis...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
 associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It 
 keeps 
 up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like 
 a 
 swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq 
 info 
 flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to 
 me. 

 On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:

> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered 
> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to 
> somebody else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the 
> remaining 
> 54CM from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more 
> ornate lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were 
> too 
> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the 
> less 
> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything 
> people 
> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my 
> frame 
> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides 
> surprisingly 
> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides 
> with 
> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would 
>> only recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Mackenzy Albright]

One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 

It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and relatively 
traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming meant more 
for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting lnger and 
more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the Bombadils in 
terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under the 
impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always from 
what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 

It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 

Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a hunqapillar 
and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back oriented 
designs? 

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:15:25 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. 
>
> Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee 
> shirt with that design. 
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:
>
>> Ill play along.  I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010.  Its my absolute 
>> favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized expedition i 
>> owned.  I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was selling when 
>> these first came out.  
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for 
>>> John's yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg]
>>> Max
>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?

 On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
> Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!
>
> [image: IMG_9161.jpg]
>
> Happy holidays,
> Vern in San Francisco
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 
> foolis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
>> associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It 
>> keeps 
>> up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like a 
>> swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq 
>> info 
>> flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to 
>> me. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered 
>>> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to 
>>> somebody else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the 
>>> remaining 
>>> 54CM from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more 
>>> ornate lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were 
>>> too 
>>> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the 
>>> less 
>>> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything 
>>> people 
>>> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
>>> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my 
>>> frame 
>>> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides surprisingly 
>>> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides 
>>> with 
>>> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
>>> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
>>> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would 
 only recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In 
 the 
 following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed 
 quite a 
 collection of Hunqapillar photos.  

 One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest 
 Hunqapillars have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the 
 sides but on some bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no 
 point 
 on some bikes and pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if 
 this 
 factor differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo 
 made 
 some, it seems like they did) ones.  

 The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  

 [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. 

Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee 
shirt with that design. 
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:

> Ill play along.  I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010.  Its my absolute 
> favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized expedition i 
> owned.  I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was selling when 
> these first came out.  
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for John's 
>> yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos:
>>
>> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg]
>> Max
>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
 Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!

 [image: IMG_9161.jpg]

 Happy holidays,
 Vern in San Francisco
 On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
> associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It 
> keeps 
> up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like a 
> swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq 
> info 
> flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to 
> me. 
>
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered 
>> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to 
>> somebody else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the 
>> remaining 
>> 54CM from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more 
>> ornate lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were 
>> too 
>> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the less 
>> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything 
>> people 
>> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
>> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my frame 
>> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides surprisingly 
>> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides 
>> with 
>> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
>> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
>> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would 
>>> only recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In 
>>> the 
>>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed 
>>> quite a 
>>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>>
>>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest 
>>> Hunqapillars have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the 
>>> sides but on some bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no 
>>> point 
>>> on some bikes and pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if 
>>> this 
>>> factor differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo 
>>> made 
>>> some, it seems like they did) ones.  
>>>
>>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>>
>>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 006.jpg]
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 
>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 All,

 I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original 
 Hunqabook" PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you 
 go.

 On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim 
 wrote:

> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
> Tolkien names.
>
> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during 
> a visit to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the 
> Readers. 
>
> The first Hunqapillar I ever 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Luke Hendrickson]

Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?

On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:

> Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
> Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!
>
> [image: IMG_9161.jpg]
>
> Happy holidays,
> Vern in San Francisco
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
>> associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It keeps 
>> up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like a 
>> swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq info 
>> flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to me. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered from 
>>> the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to somebody 
>>> else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the remaining 54CM 
>>> from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more ornate 
>>> lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were too 
>>> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the less 
>>> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything people 
>>> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
>>> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my frame 
>>> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides surprisingly 
>>> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides with 
>>> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
>>> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
>>> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would only 
 recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In the 
 following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed quite a 
 collection of Hunqapillar photos.  

 One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest Hunqapillars 
 have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the sides but on 
 some 
 bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no point on some bikes and 
 pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if this factor 
 differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo made some, 
 it seems like they did) ones.  

 The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  

 [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]


 This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug

 [image: 005 (2).jpg]


 I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
 Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug

 [image: 006.jpg]
 On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 
 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> All,
>
> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original 
> Hunqabook" PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.
>
> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
>> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
>> Tolkien names.
>>
>> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
>> visit to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the 
>> Readers. 
>>
>> The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
>> I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) 
>> Flickr feed - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00_all=1=hunqapillar
>>
>> There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I 
>> visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in 
>> production - 
>> this image shows an unpainted model - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
>> (taken mid-2010)
>>
>> For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
>> kidney bean red - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
>>> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
>>> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Trevor Bradshaw]

Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I associate 
"overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It keeps up with a 
casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like a swiss army 
knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq info flowing. 
They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to me. 

On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:

> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered from 
> the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to somebody 
> else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the remaining 54CM 
> from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more ornate 
> lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were too 
> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the less 
> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything people 
> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my frame 
> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides surprisingly 
> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides with 
> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would only 
>> recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In the 
>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed quite a 
>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>
>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest Hunqapillars 
>> have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the sides but on some 
>> bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no point on some bikes and 
>> pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if this factor 
>> differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo made some, 
>> it seems like they did) ones.  
>>
>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>
>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>
>>
>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>
>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>
>>
>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>
>> [image: 006.jpg]
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original Hunqabook" 
>>> PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
 "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
 Tolkien names.

 Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
 visit to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the Readers. 

 The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
 I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) 
 Flickr feed - 

 https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00_all=1=hunqapillar

 There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I 
 visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production 
 - 
 this image shows an unpainted model - 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
 (taken mid-2010)

 For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
 kidney bean red - 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF

 J


 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>
> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my 
> knowledge 
> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
> that’s not the case, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Joe Bernard]

You are correct sir. I had my custom built to be kind of light/flexy for 
mostly road riding with light loads. I later picked up the Bombadil you now 
own and found that it felt pretty much like a shorter wheelbase version of 
my custom! I presume it would carry more stuff - especially with that 
second toptube - but it's very far from a tank. 

On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:25:40 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I know some people find romance in a bike being described as 
> stout-as-all-get-out, or sturdy enough to survive an apocalypse; for me, 
> that is is a turn-off: I want a bike that is as strong and stiff as I need 
> it to be, but ideally no more than necessary. Especially in the case of 
> steel, because much of the beauty of steel is how it flexes and springs as 
> it works with you during a ride.  So on paper, the Bombadil is not right 
> for me at all (I'm 160lbs) but yet I find it rides lighter and more lively 
> than its tubing spec would ever suggest - certainly, still a pretty solid 
> bike, but nothing 'tank like' about it.  I presume the same is true of the 
> Hunq.  I suppose that's true of all Rivs - they tend to ride lighter and 
> livelier than their specs on paper would suggest. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 13:36:35 UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Overbuilt is exactly the word I think of when it comes to my Bombadil. 
>> It's perfect just like some of the early ATB of yesteryear. Perfect for a 
>> bomb cyclone! Happy holidays everyone!
>>
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:26:48 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would only 
>>> recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In the 
>>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed quite a 
>>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>>
>>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest Hunqapillars 
>>> have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the sides but on some 
>>> bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no point on some bikes and 
>>> pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if this factor 
>>> differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo made some, 
>>> it seems like they did) ones.  
>>>
>>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>>
>>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 006.jpg]
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All,

 I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original 
 Hunqabook" PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.

 On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim 
 wrote:

> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
> Tolkien names.
>
> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
> visit to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the 
> Readers. 
>
> The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
> I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) 
> Flickr feed - 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00_all=1=hunqapillar
>
> There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I 
> visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production 
> - 
> this image shows an unpainted model - 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
> (taken mid-2010)
>
> For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
> kidney bean red - 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF
>
> J
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
>> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
>> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
>> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>>
>> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
>> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
>> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific 
>> White 
>> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my 
>> knowledge 
>> — are current generation rear hubs 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

I know some people find romance in a bike being described as 
stout-as-all-get-out, or sturdy enough to survive an apocalypse; for me, 
that is is a turn-off: I want a bike that is as strong and stiff as I need 
it to be, but ideally no more than necessary. Especially in the case of 
steel, because much of the beauty of steel is how it flexes and springs as 
it works with you during a ride.  So on paper, the Bombadil is not right 
for me at all (I'm 160lbs) but yet I find it rides lighter and more lively 
than its tubing spec would ever suggest - certainly, still a pretty solid 
bike, but nothing 'tank like' about it.  I presume the same is true of the 
Hunq.  I suppose that's true of all Rivs - they tend to ride lighter and 
livelier than their specs on paper would suggest. 



On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 13:36:35 UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Overbuilt is exactly the word I think of when it comes to my Bombadil. 
> It's perfect just like some of the early ATB of yesteryear. Perfect for a 
> bomb cyclone! Happy holidays everyone!
>
> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:26:48 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would only 
>> recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In the 
>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed quite a 
>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>
>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest Hunqapillars 
>> have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the sides but on some 
>> bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no point on some bikes and 
>> pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if this factor 
>> differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo made some, 
>> it seems like they did) ones.  
>>
>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>
>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>
>>
>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>
>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>
>>
>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>
>> [image: 006.jpg]
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original Hunqabook" 
>>> PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
 "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
 Tolkien names.

 Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
 visit to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the Readers. 

 The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
 I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) 
 Flickr feed - 

 https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00_all=1=hunqapillar

 There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I 
 visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production 
 - 
 this image shows an unpainted model - 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
 (taken mid-2010)

 For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
 kidney bean red - 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF

 J


 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>
> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my 
> knowledge 
> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I 
> need 
> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit 
> contemporary 
> components.
>
> Jay Lonner
>
 Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thank you for sharing, Captain.  I do not believe I've ever seen that 
before and also likely my first glimpse of the original Hunqa drawing for 
the headbadge.  Looks like that tall Bombadil in the brochure is the same 
one captured by Jim at HQ as well.

On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:02:36 AM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> All,
>
> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original Hunqabook" 
> PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.
>
> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
>> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
>> Tolkien names.
>>
>> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
>> visit to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the Readers. 
>>
>> The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
>> I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) Flickr 
>> feed - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00_all=1=hunqapillar
>>
>> There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I visited. 
>> IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production - this 
>> image shows an unpainted model - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
>> (taken mid-2010)
>>
>> For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
>> kidney bean red - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
>>> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
>>> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
>>> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>>>
>>> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
>>> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
>>> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
>>> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge 
>>> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
>>> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
>>> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
>>> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
>>> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need 
>>> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary 
>>> components.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>>
>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J  wrote:
>>>
>>> Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
>>> “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
>>> bike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if 
 others have insight. 

 Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
 the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
 Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and 
 other 
 changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 

 Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
 say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
 guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
 Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
 of inspiration as well. 

 Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
 erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
 to be a full-time YouTube person. 
 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
>> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
>> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself 
>> an 
>> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of 
>> his appreciation for 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was "suggested" 
that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the Tolkien names.

Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a visit 
to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the Readers. 

The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) Flickr 
feed - 
https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00_all=1=hunqapillar

There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I visited. 
IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production - this 
image shows an unpainted model - 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
(taken mid-2010)

For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
kidney bean red - 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF

J


On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and woolly 
> mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when Oliphaunt 
> was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a cease-and-desist from 
> the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>
> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I sure 
> love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on the 
> Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge 
> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need 
> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary 
> components.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J  wrote:
>
> Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
> “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
> bike.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if 
>> others have insight. 
>>
>> Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
>> the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
>> Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
>> changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 
>>
>> Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
>> say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
>> guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
>> Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
>> of inspiration as well. 
>>
>> Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
>> erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
>> to be a full-time YouTube person. 
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
>>> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
>>> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
 might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
 are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
 expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
 I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of 
 his appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a 
 main inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But 
 then, he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property 
 names and references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, 
 but there may be others:

 Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
 Fellowship of the Ring is formed
 Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
 Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
 Sackville-Bagginses
 Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
 out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
 Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Marc Irwin]

This thread has been informative and interesting.  I don't know how 
definitive my experience is but here is what I thought when I made the 
decision 12  years ago: 
http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2010/12/elves-of-rivendell-are-delivering-for.html
On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 5:00:47 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great write-up, pics and story Willet! 
>
> This thread is really paying off :) 
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:37:12 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Yes, the saga continues! I think it’s plausible that the prototype was 
>> indeed a prototype for both bikes — let’s call it a super heavy duty frame 
>> prototype — even if that was not the intention from the get go. And then 
>> there would have been a split, so to speak, with one going in this 
>> direction and one going in that, each with its own characteristics and 
>> nuances that we could list. In a rough and very imperfect analogy, it could 
>> be akin to a split for identical twins that start out from one, but whose 
>> real-world “gene expression” results in each twin developing their own 
>> personality, having a different appearance in some respects, and different 
>> strengths, weaknesses, and interests. 
>>
>> I know this is a stretch! But without a definitive story straight from 
>> the horse’s mouth, all this sleuthing and piecing together stories and 
>> evidence is the best we’ve got. It’s a fantastic thread. 
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 3:53:56 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, that's an interesting little twist!  It was my assumption after 
>>> posting the "origin story" of my Protovelo that I probably had many of the 
>>> details wrong and that there would be a long list of 
>>> clarifications/modifications to the information that I had pieced together 
>>> about it.  In particular, I assumed that there had been additional owners 
>>> of the frame that were unknown to me, and that perhaps Daniel M. had never 
>>> really "owned" the frame but had just borrowed it from Grant for the one 
>>> journey, etc.  But I had never seen anything regarding the 
>>> "proto-Hunqapillar" making the Great Divide trip.  I'm sure there are 
>>> others on the forum with more information about this than me, but my 
>>> initial thought is that perhaps my frame was very "interim" and included 
>>> both Bombadil and Hunqapillar elements/geometry???  On the other hand, the 
>>> fact that Daniel referred to it pretty precisely as a "new unpainted 
>>> Bombadil" in the Reddit thread seems to slot it in timeline-wise as an 
>>> early Bombadil rather than a later Hunqapillar.  As always, I will defer to 
>>> the experts and look forward to possibly fleshing out more details as we go 
>>> along.
>>>
>>> Thanks, though, for pointing out the discrepancy.
>>>
>>> Willet M.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>
 Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 

 One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: 
 the Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was 
 ridden by Daniel on the Great Divide.

 From Riv:

 And it's a trail bike.
 The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged 
 joints should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you 
 need fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
 *Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
 2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are 
 vast 
 improvements over that*.

 So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto 
 Hunqapillar were the same proto frames. Right?



 On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:

>
> Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
> definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
> the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with 
> pics 
> and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
> would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
> particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
> thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
> information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.
>
> My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others 
> apparently have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
> Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
> amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
> custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
> naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
> braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
> admire.  And then along 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Great write-up, pics and story Willet! 

This thread is really paying off :) 

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:37:12 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Yes, the saga continues! I think it’s plausible that the prototype was 
> indeed a prototype for both bikes — let’s call it a super heavy duty frame 
> prototype — even if that was not the intention from the get go. And then 
> there would have been a split, so to speak, with one going in this 
> direction and one going in that, each with its own characteristics and 
> nuances that we could list. In a rough and very imperfect analogy, it could 
> be akin to a split for identical twins that start out from one, but whose 
> real-world “gene expression” results in each twin developing their own 
> personality, having a different appearance in some respects, and different 
> strengths, weaknesses, and interests. 
>
> I know this is a stretch! But without a definitive story straight from the 
> horse’s mouth, all this sleuthing and piecing together stories and evidence 
> is the best we’ve got. It’s a fantastic thread. 
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 3:53:56 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, that's an interesting little twist!  It was my assumption after 
>> posting the "origin story" of my Protovelo that I probably had many of the 
>> details wrong and that there would be a long list of 
>> clarifications/modifications to the information that I had pieced together 
>> about it.  In particular, I assumed that there had been additional owners 
>> of the frame that were unknown to me, and that perhaps Daniel M. had never 
>> really "owned" the frame but had just borrowed it from Grant for the one 
>> journey, etc.  But I had never seen anything regarding the 
>> "proto-Hunqapillar" making the Great Divide trip.  I'm sure there are 
>> others on the forum with more information about this than me, but my 
>> initial thought is that perhaps my frame was very "interim" and included 
>> both Bombadil and Hunqapillar elements/geometry???  On the other hand, the 
>> fact that Daniel referred to it pretty precisely as a "new unpainted 
>> Bombadil" in the Reddit thread seems to slot it in timeline-wise as an 
>> early Bombadil rather than a later Hunqapillar.  As always, I will defer to 
>> the experts and look forward to possibly fleshing out more details as we go 
>> along.
>>
>> Thanks, though, for pointing out the discrepancy.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 
>>>
>>> One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: the 
>>> Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was ridden by 
>>> Daniel on the Great Divide.
>>>
>>> From Riv:
>>>
>>> And it's a trail bike.
>>> The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged 
>>> joints should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you 
>>> need fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
>>> *Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
>>> 2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are vast 
>>> improvements over that*.
>>>
>>> So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto 
>>> Hunqapillar were the same proto frames. Right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>>>

 Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
 definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
 the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with 
 pics 
 and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
 would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
 particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
 thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
 information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.

 My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others 
 apparently have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
 Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
 amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
 custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
 naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
 braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
 admire.  And then along comes the naked Protovelo, which seems to have 
 scratched the very same itch for me that the Bilenky did.

 Not surprisingly, owning a naked (Bombadil)Protovelo zoomed to the top 
 of my bucket list and remained there for 3-4 years while I searched for 
 one 
 on ebay and craigslist and elsewhere.  In reality, I had very little hope 
 of ever finding one, let alone being able to afford one if I 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

Yes, the saga continues! I think it’s plausible that the prototype was 
indeed a prototype for both bikes — let’s call it a super heavy duty frame 
prototype — even if that was not the intention from the get go. And then 
there would have been a split, so to speak, with one going in this 
direction and one going in that, each with its own characteristics and 
nuances that we could list. In a rough and very imperfect analogy, it could 
be akin to a split for identical twins that start out from one, but whose 
real-world “gene expression” results in each twin developing their own 
personality, having a different appearance in some respects, and different 
strengths, weaknesses, and interests. 

I know this is a stretch! But without a definitive story straight from the 
horse’s mouth, all this sleuthing and piecing together stories and evidence 
is the best we’ve got. It’s a fantastic thread. 
On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 3:53:56 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:

>
> Well, that's an interesting little twist!  It was my assumption after 
> posting the "origin story" of my Protovelo that I probably had many of the 
> details wrong and that there would be a long list of 
> clarifications/modifications to the information that I had pieced together 
> about it.  In particular, I assumed that there had been additional owners 
> of the frame that were unknown to me, and that perhaps Daniel M. had never 
> really "owned" the frame but had just borrowed it from Grant for the one 
> journey, etc.  But I had never seen anything regarding the 
> "proto-Hunqapillar" making the Great Divide trip.  I'm sure there are 
> others on the forum with more information about this than me, but my 
> initial thought is that perhaps my frame was very "interim" and included 
> both Bombadil and Hunqapillar elements/geometry???  On the other hand, the 
> fact that Daniel referred to it pretty precisely as a "new unpainted 
> Bombadil" in the Reddit thread seems to slot it in timeline-wise as an 
> early Bombadil rather than a later Hunqapillar.  As always, I will defer to 
> the experts and look forward to possibly fleshing out more details as we go 
> along.
>
> Thanks, though, for pointing out the discrepancy.
>
> Willet M.
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 
>>
>> One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: the 
>> Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was ridden by 
>> Daniel on the Great Divide.
>>
>> From Riv:
>>
>> And it's a trail bike.
>> The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged 
>> joints should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you 
>> need fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
>> *Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
>> 2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are vast 
>> improvements over that*.
>>
>> So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto 
>> Hunqapillar were the same proto frames. Right?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
>>> definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
>>> the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with pics 
>>> and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
>>> would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
>>> particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
>>> thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
>>> information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.
>>>
>>> My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others apparently 
>>> have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
>>> Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
>>> amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
>>> custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
>>> naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
>>> braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
>>> admire.  And then along comes the naked Protovelo, which seems to have 
>>> scratched the very same itch for me that the Bilenky did.
>>>
>>> Not surprisingly, owning a naked (Bombadil)Protovelo zoomed to the top 
>>> of my bucket list and remained there for 3-4 years while I searched for one 
>>> on ebay and craigslist and elsewhere.  In reality, I had very little hope 
>>> of ever finding one, let alone being able to afford one if I found it.  But 
>>> then, out of the blue, popped up on ebay in October of 2019 this repainted 
>>> Protovelo that had started out life naked and with a very interesting 
>>> history.  Below is a pic and some description (in italics) of that 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, that's an interesting little twist!  It was my assumption after 
posting the "origin story" of my Protovelo that I probably had many of the 
details wrong and that there would be a long list of 
clarifications/modifications to the information that I had pieced together 
about it.  In particular, I assumed that there had been additional owners 
of the frame that were unknown to me, and that perhaps Daniel M. had never 
really "owned" the frame but had just borrowed it from Grant for the one 
journey, etc.  But I had never seen anything regarding the 
"proto-Hunqapillar" making the Great Divide trip.  I'm sure there are 
others on the forum with more information about this than me, but my 
initial thought is that perhaps my frame was very "interim" and included 
both Bombadil and Hunqapillar elements/geometry???  On the other hand, the 
fact that Daniel referred to it pretty precisely as a "new unpainted 
Bombadil" in the Reddit thread seems to slot it in timeline-wise as an 
early Bombadil rather than a later Hunqapillar.  As always, I will defer to 
the experts and look forward to possibly fleshing out more details as we go 
along.

Thanks, though, for pointing out the discrepancy.

Willet M.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 
>
> One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: the 
> Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was ridden by 
> Daniel on the Great Divide.
>
> From Riv:
>
> And it's a trail bike.
> The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged 
> joints should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you 
> need fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
> *Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
> 2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are vast 
> improvements over that*.
>
> So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto 
> Hunqapillar were the same proto frames. Right?
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
>> definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
>> the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with pics 
>> and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
>> would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
>> particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
>> thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
>> information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.
>>
>> My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others apparently 
>> have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
>> Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
>> amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
>> custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
>> naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
>> braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
>> admire.  And then along comes the naked Protovelo, which seems to have 
>> scratched the very same itch for me that the Bilenky did.
>>
>> Not surprisingly, owning a naked (Bombadil)Protovelo zoomed to the top of 
>> my bucket list and remained there for 3-4 years while I searched for one on 
>> ebay and craigslist and elsewhere.  In reality, I had very little hope of 
>> ever finding one, let alone being able to afford one if I found it.  But 
>> then, out of the blue, popped up on ebay in October of 2019 this repainted 
>> Protovelo that had started out life naked and with a very interesting 
>> history.  Below is a pic and some description (in italics) of that 
>> frameset, shown built and complete in a for-sale posting by Erik from 
>> Oakland on this forum from April of 2018.  
>>
>> 
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>> *60cm ish upsloper, fits me like a glove. 93 is my PBH. All my other riv 
>> bikes have been 62 to 66cm. Second top tube is beautifully fillet brazed. I 
>> liked the improved standover compared to my 62cm Hunqapillar. The bike has 
>> a slightly higher bottom bracket though and a slightly shorter set of 
>> chainstays than the eventual production Bombadil - I like how nimble it 
>> felt by comparison. Way shreddier than my old Toyo Hunqapillar, it carves 
>> turns - after I got this bike the hunqapillar was sold. Best bike I have 
>> ever owned, to be certain.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *It's built for resilience and singletrack adventuring. Before I rebuilt 
>> it from the repainted frame, a raw clearcoated it rolled down the 
>> continental divide with Daniel from Tumbleweed Bikes. Some scratches, but 
>> cared for in my travels with it and 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 

One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: the 
Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was ridden by 
Daniel on the Great Divide.

>From Riv:

And it's a trail bike.
The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged joints 
should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you need 
fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
*Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are vast 
improvements over that*.

So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto Hunqapillar 
were the same proto frames. Right?



On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:

>
> Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
> definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
> the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with pics 
> and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
> would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
> particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
> thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
> information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.
>
> My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others apparently 
> have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
> Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
> amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
> custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
> naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
> braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
> admire.  And then along comes the naked Protovelo, which seems to have 
> scratched the very same itch for me that the Bilenky did.
>
> Not surprisingly, owning a naked (Bombadil)Protovelo zoomed to the top of 
> my bucket list and remained there for 3-4 years while I searched for one on 
> ebay and craigslist and elsewhere.  In reality, I had very little hope of 
> ever finding one, let alone being able to afford one if I found it.  But 
> then, out of the blue, popped up on ebay in October of 2019 this repainted 
> Protovelo that had started out life naked and with a very interesting 
> history.  Below is a pic and some description (in italics) of that 
> frameset, shown built and complete in a for-sale posting by Erik from 
> Oakland on this forum from April of 2018.  
>
> 
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> *60cm ish upsloper, fits me like a glove. 93 is my PBH. All my other riv 
> bikes have been 62 to 66cm. Second top tube is beautifully fillet brazed. I 
> liked the improved standover compared to my 62cm Hunqapillar. The bike has 
> a slightly higher bottom bracket though and a slightly shorter set of 
> chainstays than the eventual production Bombadil - I like how nimble it 
> felt by comparison. Way shreddier than my old Toyo Hunqapillar, it carves 
> turns - after I got this bike the hunqapillar was sold. Best bike I have 
> ever owned, to be certain.*
>
>
>
> *It's built for resilience and singletrack adventuring. Before I rebuilt 
> it from the repainted frame, a raw clearcoated it rolled down the 
> continental divide with Daniel from Tumbleweed Bikes. Some scratches, but 
> cared for in my travels with it and riding like new. I can equip it with 
> Albatross or Raw Bullmoose bars. Right now it has albatross bars. Paul 
> Cantis, Paul Levers, Paul Thumbies. 3 Bottle Cages. Hands on wheels, 
> shimano hubs, heavy rims (I think cliffhangers) front and rear. Will 
> include a set of knobbies. Also happy to include a porteur rack up front if 
> you want it.*
> *This bike has ridden me through many a mile of twisting californian 
> backcountry, and has thousands of miles to go.*
>
> *
>
> Of particular interest to me in the posting above from Erik was the 
> reference to Daniel from Tumbleweed having taken this particular Protovelo, 
> with Grant's blessing, on an epic adventure down the Great Divide Route.  I 
> later found another reference to this trip in a thread from Daniel Molloy 
> of Tumbleweed Bikes on Reddit, where he talks about how he got interested 
> in bikes and started out at RBW.  A snippit of that conversation is below 
> in italics.  
>
> ***
>
> *RipVanBinkle* 
> *·4 yr. ago 
> *
>
> *What was your time at Riv like? How did you end up there? Any major 
> 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Chris L]

My first run gray/orange Hunqapillar fits Antelope Hills (700 x 55) on Dyad 
rims with plenty of clearance.  

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:35:21 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:

> James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René 
> Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 
> 58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS 
> fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum 
> width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
>> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
>> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
>> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means 
 a lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
 first ride on the rebuild after paint.

 I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
 lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
 two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
 Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
 clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
 little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
 made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
 simplifying the design a bit. 

 To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails 
 loaded or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as 
 you're not in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, 
 it really comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) 
 details on the Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and 
 geometry specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and 
 Atlantis - basically two flavors of the same bike.   

  

 On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
> the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> ,
>  there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
> got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
> here .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Garth]

FWIW, my 2010 or so 700c 60cm Waterford Bomba could clear 65mm fenders with 
ease using cantilever brakes. I have SKS 53mm ones on there no and they 
have plenty of room. The 65 require just a smidge of modification for the 
fork blades. I bought some VO's but decided against using them unless I 
modified the lower front mount to go down lover as the stock holes are 
right where your toes could catch on them. Sheesh  The canti's I've 
used are the Shimano MC-70's, M732/34/whatever, and Dia Compe 988's. If you 
chop off the trailing portion of wonky Kool Stop offset and too long posted 
pads, they will clear the stays. I hate long/offest pads that don't clear 
the stays, just the dumbest design, ever. Dia Compe 988's come with road 
sized, centered smooth post pads, those are the best !  Stock Suntour XC 
Pro pads are that size too. Longer pads offer no better braking. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

Jay, I run cantis. I’ve never used Motolites or any other V brakes. I’m 
stubborn about some things and I just love my cantis! I’m curious if the 
Motolites would work, though — if anyone else reading this has tried them 
with the 65 SKS, please chime in. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 11:12:44 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Are you using cantis or linear pull brakes with the 65 SKS fenders? When 
> my Big Bens wear out I’m thinking of switching to Antelope Hills, and am 
> hoping they’ll work with Motolites and fenders. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA 
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 14, 2022, at 5:35 PM, J J  wrote:
>
> James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René 
> Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 
> 58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS 
> fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum 
> width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
>> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
>> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
>> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means 
 a lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
 first ride on the rebuild after paint.

 I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
 lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
 two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
 Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
 clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
 little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
 made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
 simplifying the design a bit. 

 To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails 
 loaded or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as 
 you're not in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, 
 it really comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) 
 details on the Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and 
 geometry specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and 
 Atlantis - basically two flavors of the same bike.   

  

 On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
> the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> ,
>  there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
> got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
> here .
>
> [image: 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jay Lonner]

Are you using cantis or linear pull brakes with the 65 SKS fenders? When my Big Bens wear out I’m thinking of switching to Antelope Hills, and am hoping they’ll work with Motolites and fenders. Jay LonnerBellingham, WA Sent from my Atari 400On Dec 14, 2022, at 5:35 PM, J J  wrote:James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?JamesOn Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove the location of manufacture from the equation. On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, first ride on the rebuild after paint.I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by simplifying the design a bit. To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis - basically two flavors of the same bike.    On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the origins and intended uses of these frames. I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these bikes along with pictures of builds. Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another thread, there's some great info there. The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdfThe first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here. Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had to stop using Tolkien names. 



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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René 
Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 
58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS 
fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum 
width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
>>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
>>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>>
>>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
>>> lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
>>> two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
>>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
>>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
>>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
>>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
>>> simplifying the design a bit. 
>>>
>>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
>>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
>>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
>>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
>>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
>>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
>>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Hoch in ut]

I had a green one. 700c. Clearance and wheelbase appeared to be essentially 
the same. I couldn’t fit anything bigger than Thunder Burt’s. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:37:40 PM UTC-7 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
>>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
>>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>>
>>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
>>> lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
>>> two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
>>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
>>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
>>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
>>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
>>> simplifying the design a bit. 
>>>
>>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
>>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
>>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
>>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
>>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
>>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
>>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

Ahh, unfortunately the 700c models had 2.1" clearance like the Bombadil,
it's the 26" and 650B models had more generous clearance (I'm just going by
an old geometry chart, not real world experience)

On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 4:37 PM James M  wrote:

> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July
> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I
> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green
> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch
>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more
>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove
>> the location of manufacture from the equation.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a
>>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day,
>>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>>
>>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a
>>> lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the
>>> two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The
>>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire
>>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made
>>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they
>>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by
>>> simplifying the design a bit.
>>>
>>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded
>>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not
>>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really
>>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the
>>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry
>>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis
>>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs.
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the
 origins and intended uses of these frames.

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about
 these bikes along with pictures of builds.

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another
 thread
 ,
  there's
 some great info there.

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here:
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images.

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon.

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg]

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW
 had to stop using Tolkien names.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[James M]

What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?

James

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>
> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>
>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot 
>> has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two 
>> anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
>> simplifying the design a bit. 
>>
>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>>
>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>>
>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>>> thread 
>>> ,
>>>  there's 
>>> some great info there. 
>>>
>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>>
>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>>
>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>>
>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
>>> here .
>>>
>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
the location of manufacture from the equation. 

On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>
> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot 
> has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two 
> anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
> simplifying the design a bit. 
>
> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>
>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
>> .
>>
>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>
>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
first ride on the rebuild after paint.

I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot 
has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two 
anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
simplifying the design a bit. 

To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded or 
not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not in 
too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really comes 
down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
- basically two flavors of the same bike.   

 

On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[RichS]

Bombadil and Hunqapillar—two of the best names (among some really good 
ones) in the Rivendell lineup. When I was contemplating my first Rivendell 
(it was an Atlantis) they were selling an unpainted 48cm Bomba frame for a 
good price. So tempting. One of the details that got to me was the lug 
joining the headtube/downtube. Didn't buy it but if I had it would have 
been for that lug!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:16:08 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Joe Bernard]

I believe Watson is hoping to find a wheel (Chris King hub, actually) with 
an 8-speed cassette already on it, which might explain his phrasing. 

My Riv uses a WI hub with an 11-speed-sized freehub, it comes with a spacer 
that you put on first if you want to install an 8/9/10-speed cassette.*

* Now to muddy the waters. A lot of wide-range 11-speed cassettes actually 
fit like an 8/9/10, the big cog is lipped over to fit on 8/9/10 freehubs. 
On my bike with a SunRace 11-50 11-speed cassette I use the spacer. Not 
confusing at all! 

Joe "more information than you need" Bernard 
On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and woolly 
> mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when Oliphaunt 
> was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a cease-and-desist from 
> the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>
> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I sure 
> love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on the 
> Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge 
> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need 
> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary 
> components.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J  wrote:
>
> Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
> “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
> bike.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if 
>> others have insight. 
>>
>> Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
>> the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
>> Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
>> changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 
>>
>> Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
>> say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
>> guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
>> Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
>> of inspiration as well. 
>>
>> Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
>> erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
>> to be a full-time YouTube person. 
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
>>> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
>>> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
 might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
 are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
 expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
 I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of 
 his appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a 
 main inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But 
 then, he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property 
 names and references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, 
 but there may be others:

 Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
 Fellowship of the Ring is formed
 Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
 Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
 Sackville-Bagginses
 Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
 out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
 Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the 
 dismay of many fans.
 Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
 Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits 
 Merry and Pippin during the Ent Moot

 Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jay Lonner]

This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary components.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J  wrote:Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the bike.On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if others have insight. Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point of inspiration as well. Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want to be a full-time YouTube person. On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build videos. Sorry for the tangent.On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there may be others:Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the Fellowship of the Ring is formedBaggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and FrodoSackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the Sackville-BagginsesBombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the dismay of many fans.Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the RingQuickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry and Pippin during the Ent MootCan anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is different. Also, it might not be Indiana.On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about these two models. On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the origins and intended uses of these frames. I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these bikes along with pictures of builds. Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another thread, there's some great info there. The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdfThe first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
“Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
bike.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if others 
> have insight. 
>
> Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
> the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
> Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
> changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 
>
> Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
> say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
> guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
> Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
> of inspiration as well. 
>
> Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
> erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
> to be a full-time YouTube person. 
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
>> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
>> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
>>> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
>>> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
>>> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
>>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
>>> appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
>>> inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
>>> he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
>>> references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
>>> may be others:
>>>
>>> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
>>> Fellowship of the Ring is formed
>>> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
>>> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
>>> Sackville-Bagginses
>>> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
>>> out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
>>> Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the 
>>> dismay of many fans.
>>> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
>>> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits 
>>> Merry and Pippin during the Ent Moot
>>>
>>> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>>
 The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling 
 is different. Also, it might not be Indiana.

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
> these two models. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
>> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and 
>> lugs. 
>> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
>> the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> ,
>>  there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the 
>> picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
>> got 
>> a Hunq) so 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if others 
have insight. 

Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have the 
screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 

Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
of inspiration as well. 

Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the erratic 
upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want to be a 
full-time YouTube person. 
On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire your 
> style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build videos. 
> Sorry for the tangent.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
>> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
>> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
>> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
>> appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
>> inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
>> he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
>> references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
>> may be others:
>>
>> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
>> Fellowship of the Ring is formed
>> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
>> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
>> Sackville-Bagginses
>> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
>> out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
>> Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the 
>> dismay of many fans.
>> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
>> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
>> and Pippin during the Ent Moot
>>
>> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
>>> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
 these two models. 

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
> the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> ,
>  there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
> got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
> here .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names 

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eliot B]

Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire your 
style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build videos. 
Sorry for the tangent.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
> appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
> inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
> he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
> references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
> may be others:
>
> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
> Fellowship of the Ring is formed
> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
> Sackville-Bagginses
> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits out 
> of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in Middle 
> Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the dismay of 
> many fans.
> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
> and Pippin during the Ent Moot
>
> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
>> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
>>> these two models. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Brian Turner]

Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I might 
try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here are, I've 
long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert... 
I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
may be others:

Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
Fellowship of the Ring is formed
Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
Sackville-Bagginses
Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits out 
of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in Middle 
Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the dismay of 
many fans.
Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
and Pippin during the Ent Moot

Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
>> these two models. 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>>
>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>>
>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>>> thread 
>>> ,
>>>  there's 
>>> some great info there. 
>>>
>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>>
>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>>
>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>>
>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
>>> here .
>>>
>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[E. Ricky Creek]

The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
different. Also, it might not be Indiana.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about these 
> two models. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>
>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
>> .
>>
>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>
>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Luke Hendrickson]

Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about these 
two models. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Eric Floden]

My 60cm Bomba has 700's...

EricF
Vancouver

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 12:30, Jason Fuller  wrote:

>
>
> Jay - this frame, and most Bombadils, is 650B.  I used to believe they all
> were 650, but iirc some of the biggest sizes are 700c. Good eye on the
> tires - can't wait to ride them!  I bought them in September but haven't
> put a mile on them yet.
>
> w-owners-bunch/CAGBpHnfsgbM10M9j_Xt0M57-NpotUhuquBGfHfaMkZ6Qyxxkrg%40mail.gmail.com
> 
> .
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Jason Fuller]

Thanks Juan! It's a 52cm, which came with dual TT's only for the first
batch or two from my understanding.

Erik, Paul, Ryan, Joe - appreciated! I tend to agree :D

Jay - this frame, and most Bombadils, is 650B.  I used to believe they all
were 650, but iirc some of the biggest sizes are 700c. Good eye on the
tires - can't wait to ride them!  I bought them in September but haven't
put a mile on them yet.



On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 12:18 PM Juan Medina  wrote:

> That;s one gorgeous bike! What’s the frame size?
>
> JM
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 1, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Very nice Jason! That model Rivendell is becoming the "classic". Fully
> lugged, details, "standard" chain stays, etc. To boot, it's bombproof and
> has room for wide tires.
>
> Of course, "classic" is a moving target. Expectations for a frame change
> over time and parts for older bikes get harder to obtain, pushing some
> older "classics" into the realm of "vintage". But unlike carbon, it takes
> decades for that transition.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Fri, Dec 31, 2021 8:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)
>
> That is a stunning paint job, Jason.  It looks beautiful.  Can't wait to
> see ride reports once its all built up!
>
> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> It's not quite done, so I should really wait until it is... but it might
> be a couple weeks for the last parts to show up and I am not that patient.
>
> Here's the same old Bombadil with a fresh coat and assortment of new
> parts. Feels like new bike day, even though it's technically not!  Bars
> will be wrapped with light grey padded Newbaums. Dual grey Riv fender
> flaps, and the rear Motolite are now installed (not pictured).  It was
> painted by Chris Dekerf, two coats of clearcoat, full lug detailing,
> addition of Rene Herse tail light. It was not cheaper than what Joe Bell
> would have charged, and it's also up to Joe's level of quality.
>
> 2022 is going to be a heck of a year for this Bombadil, if all goes
> according to plan!
>
> [image: PXL_20211231_032223436.jpg]
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 17:04:49 UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear about the fender mishap.
>
> I'm running 2.1 knobbies under Tanaka 68mm fenders with the PDW safety
> tabs. I'm curious if anyone's had incidents with the safety tab setup? I
> caught a bit of stuff in the front wheel a few weeks ago and the tabs
> released, the wheel didn't lock, and I was fine. That made me feel better,
> but I'm still totally ready to abandon the combination.
>
> I tried no fenders for a bit but just couldn't deal with the amount of
> mess after every ride.
>
> Keeping the front wheel off the ground is definitely an elegant solution.
>
> Adam
>
> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> Jason,
>
> Sorry about your fender incident. As someone else said, those PDW Safety
> Tabs will help you regain your confidence. I've been using them for about 6
> years. Though I haven't gotten a stick or rock caught while riding, I once
> dropped the front of the bike onto the rear of the front fender with the
> wheel removed while loading it into the van.
>
> The safety tab worked just as it should and I was able to pop it back into
> place, no harm done.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Fuller 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 1:56 am
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)
>
> ...and here's some photos from the ride that ultimately ended in fender
> ruinage and full body aches.
>
> On Friday, 27 August 2021 at 22:36:45 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Ever since I had the stick wedged in the front fender situation, which
> tossed me over the bars and made me realize I'm not as young as I once was,
> I haven't been willing to let the front wheel touch the ground.  I figure
> this avoids the problem entirely.
>
> (No new front fender yet - maybe this'll be a fenderless bike for a bit?
> Unclear. One thing's for sure: I keep riding it)
>
> [image: signal-2021-08-27-124701.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, 13 July 2021 at 22:17:49 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Cheers Eric!  In the spirit, here are a few photos from this past Sunday's
> trip up the Seymour valley.  I have a few new parts collected to install on
> the Bombadil, and an Albatross bar in the mail which I

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Juan Medina]

That;s one gorgeous bike! What’s the frame size? 

JM

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 1, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Very nice Jason! That model Rivendell is becoming the "classic". Fully 
> lugged, details, "standard" chain stays, etc. To boot, it's bombproof and has 
> room for wide tires. 
> 
> Of course, "classic" is a moving target. Expectations for a frame change over 
> time and parts for older bikes get harder to obtain, pushing some older 
> "classics" into the realm of "vintage". But unlike carbon, it takes decades 
> for that transition.
> 
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Fri, Dec 31, 2021 8:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)
> 
> That is a stunning paint job, Jason.  It looks beautiful.  Can't wait to see 
> ride reports once its all built up!
> 
> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
> It's not quite done, so I should really wait until it is... but it might be a 
> couple weeks for the last parts to show up and I am not that patient. 
> 
> Here's the same old Bombadil with a fresh coat and assortment of new parts. 
> Feels like new bike day, even though it's technically not!  Bars will be 
> wrapped with light grey padded Newbaums. Dual grey Riv fender flaps, and the 
> rear Motolite are now installed (not pictured).  It was painted by Chris 
> Dekerf, two coats of clearcoat, full lug detailing, addition of Rene Herse 
> tail light. It was not cheaper than what Joe Bell would have charged, and 
> it's also up to Joe's level of quality. 
> 
> 2022 is going to be a heck of a year for this Bombadil, if all goes according 
> to plan! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 17:04:49 UTC-7 Adam wrote:
> Sorry to hear about the fender mishap.
> 
> I'm running 2.1 knobbies under Tanaka 68mm fenders with the PDW safety tabs. 
> I'm curious if anyone's had incidents with the safety tab setup? I caught a 
> bit of stuff in the front wheel a few weeks ago and the tabs released, the 
> wheel didn't lock, and I was fine. That made me feel better, but I'm still 
> totally ready to abandon the combination.
> 
> I tried no fenders for a bit but just couldn't deal with the amount of mess 
> after every ride.
> 
> Keeping the front wheel off the ground is definitely an elegant solution.
> 
> Adam
> 
> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
> Jason,
> 
> Sorry about your fender incident. As someone else said, those PDW Safety Tabs 
> will help you regain your confidence. I've been using them for about 6 years. 
> Though I haven't gotten a stick or rock caught while riding, I once dropped 
> the front of the bike onto the rear of the front fender with the wheel 
> removed while loading it into the van. 
> 
> The safety tab worked just as it should and I was able to pop it back into 
> place, no harm done.
> 
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Fuller 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 1:56 am
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)
> 
> ...and here's some photos from the ride that ultimately ended in fender 
> ruinage and full body aches. 
> 
> On Friday, 27 August 2021 at 22:36:45 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
> Ever since I had the stick wedged in the front fender situation, which tossed 
> me over the bars and made me realize I'm not as young as I once was, I 
> haven't been willing to let the front wheel touch the ground.  I figure this 
> avoids the problem entirely.  
> 
> (No new front fender yet - maybe this'll be a fenderless bike for a bit?  
> Unclear. One thing's for sure: I keep riding it)
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 13 July 2021 at 22:17:49 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
> Cheers Eric!  In the spirit, here are a few photos from this past Sunday's 
> trip up the Seymour valley.  I have a few new parts collected to install on 
> the Bombadil, and an Albatross bar in the mail which I think will do the 
> trick - kind of wish I bought both it and the Choco just to try, but alas, I 
> have too many handlebars as it is.  Going to swap off the knobby 
> Ultradynamico for the slicker Cava's as well
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, 26 June 2021 at 19:25:48 UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
> Jason,
> 
> you inspire me (I hope) --I used to be on the north shore on a bike weekly, 
> pre-pandemic. But I have only biked past Burrard Inlet a couple of times 
> since then. I really 
> hope I can get back into the habit once p

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Joe Bernard]

That paint is AMAZING!!! 



On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> It's not quite done, so I should really wait until it is... but it might 
> be a couple weeks for the last parts to show up and I am not that patient. 
>
> Here's the same old Bombadil with a fresh coat and assortment of new 
> parts. Feels like new bike day, even though it's technically not!  Bars 
> will be wrapped with light grey padded Newbaums. Dual grey Riv fender 
> flaps, and the rear Motolite are now installed (not pictured).  It was 
> painted by Chris Dekerf, two coats of clearcoat, full lug detailing, 
> addition of Rene Herse tail light. It was not cheaper than what Joe Bell 
> would have charged, and it's also up to Joe's level of quality. 
>
> 2022 is going to be a heck of a year for this Bombadil, if all goes 
> according to plan! 
>
> [image: PXL_20211231_032223436.jpg]
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 17:04:49 UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> Sorry to hear about the fender mishap.
>>
>> I'm running 2.1 knobbies under Tanaka 68mm fenders with the PDW safety 
>> tabs. I'm curious if anyone's had incidents with the safety tab setup? I 
>> caught a bit of stuff in the front wheel a few weeks ago and the tabs 
>> released, the wheel didn't lock, and I was fine. That made me feel better, 
>> but I'm still totally ready to abandon the combination.
>>
>> I tried no fenders for a bit but just couldn't deal with the amount of 
>> mess after every ride.
>>
>> Keeping the front wheel off the ground is definitely an elegant solution.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, 
>>>
>>> Sorry about your fender incident. As someone else said, those PDW Safety 
>>> Tabs will help you regain your confidence. I've been using them for about 6 
>>> years. Though I haven't gotten a stick or rock caught while riding, I once 
>>> dropped the front of the bike onto the rear of the front fender with the 
>>> wheel removed while loading it into the van. 
>>>
>>> The safety tab worked just as it should and I was able to pop it back 
>>> into place, no harm done.
>>>
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Jason Fuller 
>>> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 1:56 am
>>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)
>>>
>>> ...and here's some photos from the ride that ultimately ended in fender 
>>> ruinage and full body aches. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 27 August 2021 at 22:36:45 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> Ever since I had the stick wedged in the front fender situation, which 
>>> tossed me over the bars and made me realize I'm not as young as I once was, 
>>> I haven't been willing to let the front wheel touch the ground.  I figure 
>>> this avoids the problem entirely.  
>>>
>>> (No new front fender yet - maybe this'll be a fenderless bike for a 
>>> bit?  Unclear. One thing's for sure: I keep riding it)
>>>
>>> [image: signal-2021-08-27-124701.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 13 July 2021 at 22:17:49 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> Cheers Eric!  In the spirit, here are a few photos from this past 
>>> Sunday's trip up the Seymour valley.  I have a few new parts collected to 
>>> install on the Bombadil, and an Albatross bar in the mail which I think 
>>> will do the trick - kind of wish I bought both it and the Choco just to 
>>> try, but alas, I have too many handlebars as it is.  Going to swap off the 
>>> knobby Ultradynamico for the slicker Cava's as well
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 26 June 2021 at 19:25:48 UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
>>>
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>> you inspire me (I hope) --I used to be on the north shore on a bike 
>>> weekly, pre-pandemic. But I have only biked past Burrard Inlet a couple of 
>>> times since then. I really 
>>> hope I can get back into the habit once public health protocols allow it.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I am hoping the oppressive heat leaves us soon...ugghh
>>>
>>> EricF
>>> Vancouver BC
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Ryan]

That IS nice. Chris Dekerf builds frames too. Canadian eh! I  remember 
seeing a couple of nice fillet-brazed frames in the late nineties in a shop 
owned by a good friend of mine.

https://www.dekerf.com/ 

Enjoy...sweet bike!

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 5:48:11 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> It's not quite done, so I should really wait until it is... but it might 
> be a couple weeks for the last parts to show up and I am not that patient. 
>
> Here's the same old Bombadil with a fresh coat and assortment of new 
> parts. Feels like new bike day, even though it's technically not!  Bars 
> will be wrapped with light grey padded Newbaums. Dual grey Riv fender 
> flaps, and the rear Motolite are now installed (not pictured).  It was 
> painted by Chris Dekerf, two coats of clearcoat, full lug detailing, 
> addition of Rene Herse tail light. It was not cheaper than what Joe Bell 
> would have charged, and it's also up to Joe's level of quality. 
>
> 2022 is going to be a heck of a year for this Bombadil, if all goes 
> according to plan! 
>
> [image: PXL_20211231_032223436.jpg]
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 17:04:49 UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> Sorry to hear about the fender mishap.
>>
>> I'm running 2.1 knobbies under Tanaka 68mm fenders with the PDW safety 
>> tabs. I'm curious if anyone's had incidents with the safety tab setup? I 
>> caught a bit of stuff in the front wheel a few weeks ago and the tabs 
>> released, the wheel didn't lock, and I was fine. That made me feel better, 
>> but I'm still totally ready to abandon the combination.
>>
>> I tried no fenders for a bit but just couldn't deal with the amount of 
>> mess after every ride.
>>
>> Keeping the front wheel off the ground is definitely an elegant solution.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, 
>>>
>>> Sorry about your fender incident. As someone else said, those PDW Safety 
>>> Tabs will help you regain your confidence. I've been using them for about 6 
>>> years. Though I haven't gotten a stick or rock caught while riding, I once 
>>> dropped the front of the bike onto the rear of the front fender with the 
>>> wheel removed while loading it into the van. 
>>>
>>> The safety tab worked just as it should and I was able to pop it back 
>>> into place, no harm done.
>>>
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Jason Fuller 
>>> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 1:56 am
>>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)
>>>
>>> ...and here's some photos from the ride that ultimately ended in fender 
>>> ruinage and full body aches. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 27 August 2021 at 22:36:45 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> Ever since I had the stick wedged in the front fender situation, which 
>>> tossed me over the bars and made me realize I'm not as young as I once was, 
>>> I haven't been willing to let the front wheel touch the ground.  I figure 
>>> this avoids the problem entirely.  
>>>
>>> (No new front fender yet - maybe this'll be a fenderless bike for a 
>>> bit?  Unclear. One thing's for sure: I keep riding it)
>>>
>>> [image: signal-2021-08-27-124701.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 13 July 2021 at 22:17:49 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> Cheers Eric!  In the spirit, here are a few photos from this past 
>>> Sunday's trip up the Seymour valley.  I have a few new parts collected to 
>>> install on the Bombadil, and an Albatross bar in the mail which I think 
>>> will do the trick - kind of wish I bought both it and the Choco just to 
>>> try, but alas, I have too many handlebars as it is.  Going to swap off the 
>>> knobby Ultradynamico for the slicker Cava's as well
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 26 June 2021 at 19:25:48 UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
>>>
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>> you inspire me (I hope) --I used to be on the north shore on a bike 
>>> weekly, pre-pandemic. But I have only biked past Burrard Inlet a couple of 
>>> times since then. I really 
>>> hope I can get back into the habit once public health protocols allow it.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I am hoping the oppressive heat leaves us soon...ugghh
>>>
>>> EricF
>>> Vancouver BC
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you ar

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Very nice Jason! That model Rivendell is becoming the "classic". Fully lugged, 
details, "standard" chain stays, etc. To boot, it's bombproof and has room for 
wide tires. 
Of course, "classic" is a moving target. Expectations for a frame change over 
time and parts for older bikes get harder to obtain, pushing some older 
"classics" into the realm of "vintage". But unlike carbon, it takes decades for 
that transition.
Paul GermainMidlothian, Va.


-Original Message-
From: Erik 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Fri, Dec 31, 2021 8:45 pm
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

That is a stunning paint job, Jason.  It looks beautiful.  Can't wait to see 
ride reports once its all built up!

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

It's not quite done, so I should really wait until it is... but it might be a 
couple weeks for the last parts to show up and I am not that patient. 

Here's the same old Bombadil with a fresh coat and assortment of new parts. 
Feels like new bike day, even though it's technically not!  Bars will be 
wrapped with light grey padded Newbaums. Dual grey Riv fender flaps, and the 
rear Motolite are now installed (not pictured).  It was painted by Chris 
Dekerf, two coats of clearcoat, full lug detailing, addition of Rene Herse tail 
light. It was not cheaper than what Joe Bell would have charged, and it's also 
up to Joe's level of quality. 

2022 is going to be a heck of a year for this Bombadil, if all goes according 
to plan! 






On Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 17:04:49 UTC-7 Adam wrote:

Sorry to hear about the fender mishap.
I'm running 2.1 knobbies under Tanaka 68mm fenders with the PDW safety tabs. 
I'm curious if anyone's had incidents with the safety tab setup? I caught a bit 
of stuff in the front wheel a few weeks ago and the tabs released, the wheel 
didn't lock, and I was fine. That made me feel better, but I'm still totally 
ready to abandon the combination.

I tried no fenders for a bit but just couldn't deal with the amount of mess 
after every ride.

Keeping the front wheel off the ground is definitely an elegant solution.
Adam

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

Jason,
Sorry about your fender incident. As someone else said, those PDW Safety Tabs 
will help you regain your confidence. I've been using them for about 6 years. 
Though I haven't gotten a stick or rock caught while riding, I once dropped the 
front of the bike onto the rear of the front fender with the wheel removed 
while loading it into the van. 
The safety tab worked just as it should and I was able to pop it back into 
place, no harm done.
Paul GermainMidlothian, Va.


-Original Message-
From: Jason Fuller 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 1:56 am
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

...and here's some photos from the ride that ultimately ended in fender ruinage 
and full body aches. 

On Friday, 27 August 2021 at 22:36:45 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

Ever since I had the stick wedged in the front fender situation, which tossed 
me over the bars and made me realize I'm not as young as I once was, I haven't 
been willing to let the front wheel touch the ground.  I figure this avoids the 
problem entirely.  

(No new front fender yet - maybe this'll be a fenderless bike for a bit?  
Unclear. One thing's for sure: I keep riding it)


On Tuesday, 13 July 2021 at 22:17:49 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

Cheers Eric!  In the spirit, here are a few photos from this past Sunday's trip 
up the Seymour valley.  I have a few new parts collected to install on the 
Bombadil, and an Albatross bar in the mail which I think will do the trick - 
kind of wish I bought both it and the Choco just to try, but alas, I have too 
many handlebars as it is.  Going to swap off the knobby Ultradynamico for the 
slicker Cava's as well



On Saturday, 26 June 2021 at 19:25:48 UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:

Jason,
you inspire me (I hope) --I used to be on the north shore on a bike weekly, 
pre-pandemic. But I have only biked past Burrard Inlet a couple of times since 
then. I really 
hope I can get back into the habit once public health protocols allow it.
Meanwhile, I am hoping the oppressive heat leaves us soon...ugghh
EricFVancouver BC




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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Erik]

That is a stunning paint job, Jason.  It looks beautiful.  Can't wait to 
see ride reports once its all built up!

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> It's not quite done, so I should really wait until it is... but it might 
> be a couple weeks for the last parts to show up and I am not that patient. 
>
> Here's the same old Bombadil with a fresh coat and assortment of new 
> parts. Feels like new bike day, even though it's technically not!  Bars 
> will be wrapped with light grey padded Newbaums. Dual grey Riv fender 
> flaps, and the rear Motolite are now installed (not pictured).  It was 
> painted by Chris Dekerf, two coats of clearcoat, full lug detailing, 
> addition of Rene Herse tail light. It was not cheaper than what Joe Bell 
> would have charged, and it's also up to Joe's level of quality. 
>
> 2022 is going to be a heck of a year for this Bombadil, if all goes 
> according to plan! 
>
> [image: PXL_20211231_032223436.jpg]
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 17:04:49 UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> Sorry to hear about the fender mishap.
>>
>> I'm running 2.1 knobbies under Tanaka 68mm fenders with the PDW safety 
>> tabs. I'm curious if anyone's had incidents with the safety tab setup? I 
>> caught a bit of stuff in the front wheel a few weeks ago and the tabs 
>> released, the wheel didn't lock, and I was fine. That made me feel better, 
>> but I'm still totally ready to abandon the combination.
>>
>> I tried no fenders for a bit but just couldn't deal with the amount of 
>> mess after every ride.
>>
>> Keeping the front wheel off the ground is definitely an elegant solution.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, 
>>>
>>> Sorry about your fender incident. As someone else said, those PDW Safety 
>>> Tabs will help you regain your confidence. I've been using them for about 6 
>>> years. Though I haven't gotten a stick or rock caught while riding, I once 
>>> dropped the front of the bike onto the rear of the front fender with the 
>>> wheel removed while loading it into the van. 
>>>
>>> The safety tab worked just as it should and I was able to pop it back 
>>> into place, no harm done.
>>>
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Jason Fuller 
>>> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 1:56 am
>>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)
>>>
>>> ...and here's some photos from the ride that ultimately ended in fender 
>>> ruinage and full body aches. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 27 August 2021 at 22:36:45 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> Ever since I had the stick wedged in the front fender situation, which 
>>> tossed me over the bars and made me realize I'm not as young as I once was, 
>>> I haven't been willing to let the front wheel touch the ground.  I figure 
>>> this avoids the problem entirely.  
>>>
>>> (No new front fender yet - maybe this'll be a fenderless bike for a 
>>> bit?  Unclear. One thing's for sure: I keep riding it)
>>>
>>> [image: signal-2021-08-27-124701.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 13 July 2021 at 22:17:49 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> Cheers Eric!  In the spirit, here are a few photos from this past 
>>> Sunday's trip up the Seymour valley.  I have a few new parts collected to 
>>> install on the Bombadil, and an Albatross bar in the mail which I think 
>>> will do the trick - kind of wish I bought both it and the Choco just to 
>>> try, but alas, I have too many handlebars as it is.  Going to swap off the 
>>> knobby Ultradynamico for the slicker Cava's as well
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 26 June 2021 at 19:25:48 UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
>>>
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>> you inspire me (I hope) --I used to be on the north shore on a bike 
>>> weekly, pre-pandemic. But I have only biked past Burrard Inlet a couple of 
>>> times since then. I really 
>>> hope I can get back into the habit once public health protocols allow it.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I am hoping the oppressive heat leaves us soon...ugghh
>>>
>>> EricF
>>> Vancouver BC
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Adam]

Sorry to hear about the fender mishap.

I'm running 2.1 knobbies under Tanaka 68mm fenders with the PDW safety 
tabs. I'm curious if anyone's had incidents with the safety tab setup? I 
caught a bit of stuff in the front wheel a few weeks ago and the tabs 
released, the wheel didn't lock, and I was fine. That made me feel better, 
but I'm still totally ready to abandon the combination.

I tried no fenders for a bit but just couldn't deal with the amount of mess 
after every ride.

Keeping the front wheel off the ground is definitely an elegant solution.

Adam

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Jason, 
>
> Sorry about your fender incident. As someone else said, those PDW Safety 
> Tabs will help you regain your confidence. I've been using them for about 6 
> years. Though I haven't gotten a stick or rock caught while riding, I once 
> dropped the front of the bike onto the rear of the front fender with the 
> wheel removed while loading it into the van. 
>
> The safety tab worked just as it should and I was able to pop it back into 
> place, no harm done.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Fuller 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 1:56 am
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)
>
> ...and here's some photos from the ride that ultimately ended in fender 
> ruinage and full body aches. 
>
> On Friday, 27 August 2021 at 22:36:45 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Ever since I had the stick wedged in the front fender situation, which 
> tossed me over the bars and made me realize I'm not as young as I once was, 
> I haven't been willing to let the front wheel touch the ground.  I figure 
> this avoids the problem entirely.  
>
> (No new front fender yet - maybe this'll be a fenderless bike for a bit?  
> Unclear. One thing's for sure: I keep riding it)
>
> [image: signal-2021-08-27-124701.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, 13 July 2021 at 22:17:49 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Cheers Eric!  In the spirit, here are a few photos from this past Sunday's 
> trip up the Seymour valley.  I have a few new parts collected to install on 
> the Bombadil, and an Albatross bar in the mail which I think will do the 
> trick - kind of wish I bought both it and the Choco just to try, but alas, 
> I have too many handlebars as it is.  Going to swap off the knobby 
> Ultradynamico for the slicker Cava's as well
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 26 June 2021 at 19:25:48 UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
>
> Jason,
>
> you inspire me (I hope) --I used to be on the north shore on a bike 
> weekly, pre-pandemic. But I have only biked past Burrard Inlet a couple of 
> times since then. I really 
> hope I can get back into the habit once public health protocols allow it.
>
> Meanwhile, I am hoping the oppressive heat leaves us soon...ugghh
>
> EricF
> Vancouver BC
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jason,
Sorry about your fender incident. As someone else said, those PDW Safety Tabs 
will help you regain your confidence. I've been using them for about 6 years. 
Though I haven't gotten a stick or rock caught while riding, I once dropped the 
front of the bike onto the rear of the front fender with the wheel removed 
while loading it into the van. 
The safety tab worked just as it should and I was able to pop it back into 
place, no harm done.
Paul GermainMidlothian, Va.


-Original Message-
From: Jason Fuller 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2021 1:56 am
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

...and here's some photos from the ride that ultimately ended in fender ruinage 
and full body aches. 

On Friday, 27 August 2021 at 22:36:45 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

Ever since I had the stick wedged in the front fender situation, which tossed 
me over the bars and made me realize I'm not as young as I once was, I haven't 
been willing to let the front wheel touch the ground.  I figure this avoids the 
problem entirely.  

(No new front fender yet - maybe this'll be a fenderless bike for a bit?  
Unclear. One thing's for sure: I keep riding it)


On Tuesday, 13 July 2021 at 22:17:49 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

Cheers Eric!  In the spirit, here are a few photos from this past Sunday's trip 
up the Seymour valley.  I have a few new parts collected to install on the 
Bombadil, and an Albatross bar in the mail which I think will do the trick - 
kind of wish I bought both it and the Choco just to try, but alas, I have too 
many handlebars as it is.  Going to swap off the knobby Ultradynamico for the 
slicker Cava's as well



On Saturday, 26 June 2021 at 19:25:48 UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:

Jason,
you inspire me (I hope) --I used to be on the north shore on a bike weekly, 
pre-pandemic. But I have only biked past Burrard Inlet a couple of times since 
then. I really 
hope I can get back into the habit once public health protocols allow it.
Meanwhile, I am hoping the oppressive heat leaves us soon...ugghh
EricFVancouver BC




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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Eric Floden]

Jason,

you inspire me (I hope) --I used to be on the north shore on a bike weekly,
pre-pandemic. But I have only biked past Burrard Inlet a couple of times
since then. I really
hope I can get back into the habit once public health protocols allow it.

Meanwhile, I am hoping the oppressive heat leaves us soon...ugghh

EricF
Vancouver BC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Jason Fuller]

Hahaha, thanks Paul, yeah the weird bars were polarizing as one would
expect - most in the "it's ugly" camp, many in the "if it works, rock it!"
camp (who may or may not be in the first camp), and a few who genuinely
liked the look it seems.

The handlebar I keep eyeing that I think would look cool on the Bombadil is
the Choco-moose, but not being able to adjust angle or reach is pretty
scary!



On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 8:31 AM Paul Richardson 
wrote:

> i'll just say again that i'm grateful for these posts and
> pictures--they're consistently great and maddeningly fomo-inducing.  and i
> must add i'm glad the bar end / handlebar thing was only a temporary
> experiment!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:10:39 PM UTC-4 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Jason,
>>
>> Great write up. I really appreciate both the tone and tenor of the
>> retelling and the ride.
>>
>> It makes me want to travel North once again to experience your fantastic
>> route.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:50:58 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe,
>>> and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town
>>> here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of
>>> trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or
>>> hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only
>>> extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as
>>> well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this
>>> region.
>>>
>>> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved
>>> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell
>>> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you
>>> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among
>>> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard
>>> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a
>>> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km
>>> into the valley and away from the city.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>>>
>>> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with
>>> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel.
>>> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far
>>> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're
>>> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>>>
>>> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people
>>> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life
>>> without full-coverage fenders!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was
>>> only about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to
>>> the west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm
>>> now.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>>>
>>> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's
>>> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that
>>> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on
>>> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous,
>>> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full
>>> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep
>>> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the
>>> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and
>>> lichen covered trees.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>>>
>>> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice
>>> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4
>>> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for
>>> the rest of the evening!
>>>
>>> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Paul Richardson]

i'll just say again that i'm grateful for these posts and pictures--they're 
consistently great and maddeningly fomo-inducing.  and i must add i'm glad 
the bar end / handlebar thing was only a temporary experiment!

paul
takoma park, md.
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:10:39 PM UTC-4 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Jason,
>
> Great write up. I really appreciate both the tone and tenor of the 
> retelling and the ride. 
>
> It makes me want to travel North once again to experience your fantastic 
> route.
>
> Hugh
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:50:58 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, 
>> and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town 
>> here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of 
>> trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or 
>> hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only 
>> extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as 
>> well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this 
>> region. 
>>
>> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
>> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>>
>> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
>> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
>> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
>> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
>> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>>
>> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
>> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
>> into the valley and away from the city. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>>
>> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
>> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
>> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
>> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
>> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>>
>> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
>> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
>> without full-coverage fenders! 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>>
>> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
>> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
>> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>>
>> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
>> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
>> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
>> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
>> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>>
>> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>>
>> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
>> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
>> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>>
>> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
>> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
>> lichen covered trees. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>>
>> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
>> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
>> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
>> the rest of the evening! 
>>
>> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Hugh Smitham]

Jason,

Great write up. I really appreciate both the tone and tenor of the 
retelling and the ride. 

It makes me want to travel North once again to experience your fantastic 
route.

Hugh

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:50:58 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, and 
> today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town here 
> in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of trails 
> on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or hiking 
> trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only extended 
> stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as well as the 
> only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this region. 
>
> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>
> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>
> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>
> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>
> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
> into the valley and away from the city. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>
> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>
> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>
> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
> without full-coverage fenders! 
>
> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>
> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>
> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>
> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>
> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>
> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>
> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
> lichen covered trees. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>
> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
> the rest of the evening! 
>
> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice work Jason! I feel like I was there! Your side of the continent looks 
absolutely primordial compared to the Mid-Atlantic!
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:50:58 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, and 
> today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town here 
> in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of trails 
> on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or hiking 
> trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only extended 
> stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as well as the 
> only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this region. 
>
> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>
> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>
> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>
> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>
> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
> into the valley and away from the city. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>
> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>
> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>
> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
> without full-coverage fenders! 
>
> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>
> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>
> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>
> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>
> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>
> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>
> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
> lichen covered trees. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>
> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
> the rest of the evening! 
>
> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Andrew Stevens]

Amazing amazing photos! Thanks for this!

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:15:04 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Now that's a Rivbike in its proper environment. Nice work, Jason! 
>
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:50:58 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, 
>> and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town 
>> here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of 
>> trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or 
>> hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only 
>> extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as 
>> well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this 
>> region. 
>>
>> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
>> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>>
>> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
>> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
>> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
>> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
>> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>>
>> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
>> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
>> into the valley and away from the city. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>>
>> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
>> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
>> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
>> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
>> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>>
>> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
>> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
>> without full-coverage fenders! 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>>
>> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
>> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
>> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>>
>> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
>> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
>> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
>> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
>> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>>
>> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>>
>> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
>> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
>> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>>
>> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
>> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
>> lichen covered trees. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>>
>> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
>> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
>> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
>> the rest of the evening! 
>>
>> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[brendonoid]

Absolutely magical. Thanks for sharing.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Jason Fuller]

Gosh I'm glad the story has been enjoyable!  It felt a little 
self-indulgent as I wrote it; I just wanted to share this ride with others 
and unfortunately I can only do so virtually right now. 

Robert - we don't get a lot of snowfall at lower elevations here, since 
we're right on the coast. It's the only area of Canada that does not live 
up to people's expectation as a snowy, cold place in winter! We tend to get 
a few good dumps of snow a year, and the temperature will hover either side 
of freezing most of winter. I used to frequent the ski hills but the lines, 
drive etc have become too much to bother so I now just ride year-round! 
Mountain biking here is great even in the snow, as it's usually not too 
deep. 

Joyce - One day! I would be happy to either provide a detailed route plan 
or join for the ride when you do! The 'trial and error' of putting together 
these non-technical routes usually involves having to hike-a-bike on 
unrideable trails, but I can save you that trouble now. Some sections are 
challenging but most is quite leisurely. 

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[JAS]

Thank you for the detail in your ride report and especially for the photos, 
Jason.  I’m a bit south from you (Whidbey Island) and experienced the same 
pre-sunset fog you described yesterday about 4:30pm.  Your non-technical single 
track is my favorite riding conditions on Clem...someday the border will open 
and I’ll head to North Van to try it out!

—Joyce

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Roberta]

A beautiful ride on the most perfect bike. Your words and pictures helped 
me live the adventure vicariously thru you. Thank you for taking the time 
to indulge us. 
On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:50:58 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, and 
> today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town here 
> in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of trails 
> on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or hiking 
> trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only extended 
> stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as well as the 
> only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this region. 
>
> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>
> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>
> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>
> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>
> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
> into the valley and away from the city. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>
> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>
> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>
> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
> without full-coverage fenders! 
>
> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>
> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>
> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>
> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>
> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>
> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>
> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
> lichen covered trees. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>
> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
> the rest of the evening! 
>
> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Robert Hakim]

Wow, that route looks spectacular! It seems like you caught it on a 
spectacular day as well! 

Does that area get much snowfall or can you ride there year round?

Cheers!
Robert
On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:15:04 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Now that's a Rivbike in its proper environment. Nice work, Jason! 
>
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:50:58 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, 
>> and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town 
>> here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of 
>> trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or 
>> hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only 
>> extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as 
>> well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this 
>> region. 
>>
>> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
>> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>>
>> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
>> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
>> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
>> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
>> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>>
>> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
>> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
>> into the valley and away from the city. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>>
>> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
>> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
>> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
>> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
>> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>>
>> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
>> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
>> without full-coverage fenders! 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>>
>> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
>> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
>> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>>
>> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
>> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
>> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
>> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
>> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>>
>> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>>
>> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
>> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
>> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>>
>> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
>> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
>> lichen covered trees. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>>
>> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
>> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
>> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
>> the rest of the evening! 
>>
>> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Joe Bernard]

Now that's a Rivbike in its proper environment. Nice work, Jason! 


On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:50:58 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, and 
> today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town here 
> in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of trails 
> on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or hiking 
> trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only extended 
> stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as well as the 
> only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this region. 
>
> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>
> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>
> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>
> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>
> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
> into the valley and away from the city. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>
> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>
> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>
> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
> without full-coverage fenders! 
>
> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>
> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>
> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>
> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>
> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>
> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>
> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
> lichen covered trees. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>
> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
> the rest of the evening! 
>
> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil

[George Rosselle]

I have seen this bike in person and can honestly say the photos don't do it 
justice. It is a beautiful and functional bike. The buyer will be very 
happy. As far as sale price I think Bill is correct, probably $2600-$3000. 
It cost a lot more to build but all that matters is what someone will pay. 



On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 5:05:14 PM UTC-4, John McBurney wrote:
>
> Garth
>
> It’s not a bad idea. I do get more joy from giving things away than the 
> cash brings. In the past few months I’ve given my Scott Sub 10 belt drive 
> bike to a young couple and that makes me very happy. 
>
> However in this instance I need to raise some money to fund another bike 
> project without pissing my wife of 40 years off too much. I did offer it at 
> roughly half of what it has been valued here to a local friend but he was 
> unable to take advantage of the opportunity In this instance the joy will 
> come not from maximizing profit but rather in the knowledge that someone 
> who really loves these bikes will be able to enjoy it. 
>
> It truly is special and I know someone will be very happy with it. 
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 2:01 PM Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>   John, although the bike doesn't fit you, it doesn't sound like you 
>> really want to sell it, or at least go through "the process" of sale and 
>> all that may include.  Who says you have to sell it and for what cost , and 
>> what makes them some sort of authority over your own sense ?   Hell, you 
>> can do anything you want with it, sell it or give it away.  I've had many 
>> things that I once enjoyed, or thought I did, that I have even given away 
>> to people who had use for them.  Seeing or hearing the joy of someone using 
>> those "things" is priceless.  I'm not telling you to do anything or not, 
>> you already know exactly what that is. 
>>
>>   Really it's not going to make any difference regardless of what you do 
>> with the bike. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 8:54:00 PM UTC-4, John McBurney wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I’m considering sellingBombadil. What do you think a reasonable price 
>>> would be?  It’s a Waterford frame, Joe Bell paint. Nitto, Sun XCD, SON, 
>>> Bush and Mueller,  Honjo, Brooks, Compass. Nicer than any 10 year old bike 
>>> has a right to be. 
>>>
>>> It’s just too short for me and I’m not riding it. 
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> .
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil

[John McBurney]

Garth

It’s not a bad idea. I do get more joy from giving things away than the
cash brings. In the past few months I’ve given my Scott Sub 10 belt drive
bike to a young couple and that makes me very happy.

However in this instance I need to raise some money to fund another bike
project without pissing my wife of 40 years off too much. I did offer it at
roughly half of what it has been valued here to a local friend but he was
unable to take advantage of the opportunity In this instance the joy will
come not from maximizing profit but rather in the knowledge that someone
who really loves these bikes will be able to enjoy it.

It truly is special and I know someone will be very happy with it.

John

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 2:01 PM Garth  wrote:

>
>
>   John, although the bike doesn't fit you, it doesn't sound like you
> really want to sell it, or at least go through "the process" of sale and
> all that may include.  Who says you have to sell it and for what cost , and
> what makes them some sort of authority over your own sense ?   Hell, you
> can do anything you want with it, sell it or give it away.  I've had many
> things that I once enjoyed, or thought I did, that I have even given away
> to people who had use for them.  Seeing or hearing the joy of someone using
> those "things" is priceless.  I'm not telling you to do anything or not,
> you already know exactly what that is.
>
>   Really it's not going to make any difference regardless of what you do
> with the bike.
>
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 8:54:00 PM UTC-4, John McBurney wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’m considering sellingBombadil. What do you think a reasonable price
>> would be?  It’s a Waterford frame, Joe Bell paint. Nitto, Sun XCD, SON,
>> Bush and Mueller,  Honjo, Brooks, Compass. Nicer than any 10 year old bike
>> has a right to be.
>>
>> It’s just too short for me and I’m not riding it.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil

[Nick Ybarra]

I'd answer, but I kind of want to buy it, so I feel like that presents a 
conflict of interest.

-Nick in ATX

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 7:54:00 PM UTC-5, John McBurney wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’m considering sellingBombadil. What do you think a reasonable price 
> would be?  It’s a Waterford frame, Joe Bell paint. Nitto, Sun XCD, SON, 
> Bush and Mueller,  Honjo, Brooks, Compass. Nicer than any 10 year old bike 
> has a right to be. 
>
> It’s just too short for me and I’m not riding it. 
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil

[Patrick Moore]

The OP isn't riding it because it's too small, and he wants to sell it but
isn't sure how much to ask; obviously, he wants to get a good price for it.
Answering his question will sure as hell will make a different to his
wallet! And, just possibly, increase his options for a replacement, no
small thing.

As to an answer to the OP's question, I can't say since I've not really
paid attention to the Bombadil as I have to, say, the Ram and the Sam. But
I will emphasize the truth of what others have pointed out, that purchase
options can increase your liklihood of sale; and also, that demand
fluctuates: you may have no takers for a quarter, and then find that next
quarter you get half a dozen inquiries, and sometimes patience can maximize
your return.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:01 PM Garth  wrote:

> ...
>
>   Really it's not going to make any difference regardless of what you do
> with the bike.
>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil

[Garth]

  John, although the bike doesn't fit you, it doesn't sound like you really 
want to sell it, or at least go through "the process" of sale and all that 
may include.  Who says you have to sell it and for what cost , and what 
makes them some sort of authority over your own sense ?   Hell, you can do 
anything you want with it, sell it or give it away.  I've had many things 
that I once enjoyed, or thought I did, that I have even given away to 
people who had use for them.  Seeing or hearing the joy of someone using 
those "things" is priceless.  I'm not telling you to do anything or not, 
you already know exactly what that is. 

  Really it's not going to make any difference regardless of what you do 
with the bike. 


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> Hi all,
>
> I’m considering sellingBombadil. What do you think a reasonable price 
> would be?  It’s a Waterford frame, Joe Bell paint. Nitto, Sun XCD, SON, 
> Bush and Mueller,  Honjo, Brooks, Compass. Nicer than any 10 year old bike 
> has a right to be. 
>
> It’s just too short for me and I’m not riding it. 
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil 68-cm FS or Trade

[a spens]

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 9:09:41 PM UTC-5, a spens wrote:
>
>
> Hi Riv-Folks,
>
> Going to put my 68- Bombadil up for sale. It has a bit of the expected 
> beausage and is otherwise in terrific working order.  
>
> --$1550--Included in the price is Frame & fork, Chris King headset, Campy 
> BB, lugged seatpost, bullmoose handlebars
>
> Suitable for most riders 6-5 and taller.  Would possibly consider a 
> trade/deal for a taller Homer Hilsen, Sam Hilborne, etc.
>
> Pics to soon be available at the CL below.
>
> Please PM me with questions.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

[John McBurney]

thanks. Ill check your website.

John

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:45 AM br...@bgcycles.com 
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> Yes - they are in stock and shipped every day in 2 sizes 700 x 43 and 650b
> x 43 both sizes are available in Blackwall or Skinwall.
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2019, at 8:01 AM, John McBurney  wrote:
>
> Are Bruce Gordon Rock and Road tires still available?
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:30 AM Chad  wrote:
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>> Forgot to include the thread link.
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/5zVJH4V2txA/r6PI3as5DAAJ
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>> Road tires on.  They also gave me about an additional 1.5cm of standover
>> room.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

[br...@bgcycles.com]

Yes - they are in stock and shipped every day in 2 sizes 700 x 43 and 650b x 43 
both sizes are available in Blackwall or Skinwall.


> On Mar 19, 2019, at 8:01 AM, John McBurney  wrote:
> 
> Are Bruce Gordon Rock and Road tires still available?
> 
> John
> 
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:30 AM Chad  > wrote:
> Forgot to include the thread link.  
> 
> 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/5zVJH4V2txA/r6PI3as5DAAJ 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

[John McBurney]

Are Bruce Gordon Rock and Road tires still available?

John

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> Forgot to include the thread link.
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/5zVJH4V2txA/r6PI3as5DAAJ
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

[Chad]

Forgot to include the thread link.  


https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/5zVJH4V2txA/r6PI3as5DAAJ

This is why I ended up putting the 650Bx43 (45 measured width) Rock n Road 
tires on.  They also gave me about an additional 1.5cm of standover room.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

[John McBurney]

My paint is incredible for any 11 year old bike. But that said I’m not
surprised. The guy I bought it from is more of a runner than a cyclist. He
is a dentist and his wife an attorney in a WV college town that is an exurb
of DC. No kids. I’m into old school 2 channel audio. I have some decent
tube and SS equipment. He has custom built tube electronics. 

I’ve put more wear on the sidewalls of the rims in 4 months than he did in
11 years. There is no wear on the TA chainrings. ( I got a sun XCD2 crank
with removable spider and am running the 70 mm spider as a mountain double
but also have a second 110 spider with road compact double). I replaced the
brake pads because they were dried out.

Well it’s interesting to think about. I hope this one has more room under
the brake bridge than yours.  I’m running Compass 48s now but when I head
out on bikepacking trips I plan to switch to quasi Moto’s. The new new
Compass 80H 650b Honjo fenders are beautiful and fit the 48s well. Here’s
hoping I don’t need to remove then to run the 2.0’s.

John


On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 10:52 PM Chad  wrote:

> Well I found a pic of the serial number and I’ll PM it to you.  Build date
> was Oct 2008, same as yours.  I’m almost certain the original paint on mine
> was not done by Joe Bell.  It was not very durable and was peeling on the
> fork and kickstand mount.  The original owner said he probably should have
> sent it back for a repaint, but he didn’t custom order it.  He bought it as
> a web special from RBW (maybe ours was your reject LOL).  Also, I believe
> Joe Bell usually initials the chainstay.  It says on the RBW site that they
> usually only use JB on their custom frame builds but you can pay $1300
> extra  and wait several months to have him do it. I think they use Rick at
> D cycles for most custom paint or repainted as also he does good work and
> is considerably cheaper.  I talked to and sent pics to Rick and he said he
> didn’t paint it because he was not necessarily fond of the color scheme,
> but he did have gold decals and was recommended by Riv so I was going to
> have him do the repaint before I decided to sell it (which I now regret!).
> I also sent pics to Waterford and they didn’t paint it either.  They are
> also by recommended by RBW for repaints but charge $850 and didn’t have
> gold decals.  Kevin at RBW talk to several staff and no one remembered who
> painted it and they did not have any of gold decals on hand.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

[Chad]

Well I found a pic of the serial number and I’ll PM it to you.  Build date was 
Oct 2008, same as yours.  I’m almost certain the original paint on mine was not 
done by Joe Bell.  It was not very durable and was peeling on the fork and 
kickstand mount.  The original owner said he probably should have sent it back 
for a repaint, but he didn’t custom order it.  He bought it as a web special 
from RBW (maybe ours was your reject LOL).  Also, I believe Joe Bell usually 
initials the chainstay.  It says on the RBW site that they usually only use JB 
on their custom frame builds but you can pay $1300 extra  and wait several 
months to have him do it. I think they use Rick at D cycles for most custom 
paint or repainted as also he does good work and is considerably cheaper.  I 
talked to and sent pics to Rick and he said he didn’t paint it because he was 
not necessarily fond of the color scheme, but he did have gold decals and was 
recommended by Riv so I was going to have him do the repaint before I decided 
to sell it (which I now regret!).  I also sent pics to Waterford and they 
didn’t paint it either.  They are also by recommended by RBW for repaints but 
charge $850 and didn’t have gold decals.  Kevin at RBW talk to several staff 
and no one remembered who painted it and they did not have any of gold decals 
on hand.

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/repaints-repairs-re-brazeons

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

[John McBurney]

Here is the reply from the dentist I bought to Bombadil from:

“Not his. I bought it new from Rivendell and had them custom paint it for
me. I think they had Joe Bell paint it. That’s the original paint. ”

Lightening strikes twice

John

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:53 AM Chad  wrote:

> I don’t have the original receipt since I bought it used from the first
> owner.  I think it is in California right now.  I’ll look and see if I have
> the serial number in an old email or pic and PM it to you.  I remember it
> likely being from the first batch of frames based on the production date
> and low serial number.  I loved that bike but there was a defect that was
> causing the paint to peel off the fork.  Also the original owner took it on
> a tour overseas and sanded and primed all the big chips to avoid rust from
> the sea air.   It was a too nice of a bike not to have the frame repainted
> but I decided that it was just a bit to tall for my PBH if I was going to
> continue using it as a pure MTB.  The other one nit pick that I had was
> that the tire clearance was limited to about a 51mm Pacenti Quasi-Moto due
> to the the really low seat stay bridge.  I was going to send it to Riv’s
> recommenced painter, Rick, and he said he could easily raise the bridge a
> little bit and his price were somewhat reasonable. I believe Riv used a
> local painter, but not Rick, to shoot the frame.  IIRC the first of the
> Bombadil frames came raw and you had the choice of a powder coat in clear
> or powder in a limited palet of colors.  I think you could also have it
> custom wet painted at extra cost.  I found several upclose frame shots in
> the silver and gold color that Riv may have used for their site or in a
> catalogue.  I bought it the Bomba from the original owner and he bought it
> when it was a web special.  He or the guy I sold it to may still be on this
> list and I think I still have their contact info.  I also think I saw some
> shots of your bike on Facebook recently.  You have a fantastic bike!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

[Chad]

I don’t have the original receipt since I bought it used from the first owner.  
I think it is in California right now.  I’ll look and see if I have the serial 
number in an old email or pic and PM it to you.  I remember it likely being 
from the first batch of frames based on the production date and low serial 
number.  I loved that bike but there was a defect that was causing the paint to 
peel off the fork.  Also the original owner took it on a tour overseas and 
sanded and primed all the big chips to avoid rust from the sea air.   It was a 
too nice of a bike not to have the frame repainted but I decided that it was 
just a bit to tall for my PBH if I was going to continue using it as a pure 
MTB.  The other one nit pick that I had was that the tire clearance was limited 
to about a 51mm Pacenti Quasi-Moto due to the the really low seat stay bridge.  
I was going to send it to Riv’s recommenced painter, Rick, and he said he could 
easily raise the bridge a little bit and his price were somewhat reasonable. I 
believe Riv used a local painter, but not Rick, to shoot the frame.  IIRC the 
first of the Bombadil frames came raw and you had the choice of a powder coat 
in clear or powder in a limited palet of colors.  I think you could also have 
it custom wet painted at extra cost.  I found several upclose frame shots in 
the silver and gold color that Riv may have used for their site or in a 
catalogue.  I bought it the Bomba from the original owner and he bought it when 
it was a web special.  He or the guy I sold it to may still be on this list and 
I think I still have their contact info.  I also think I saw some shots of your 
bike on Facebook recently.  You have a fantastic bike!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

[John McBurney]

I don’t suppose you have your receipt and SN around do you? 



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> Wow.  It’s quite possible that they sold more than one silver and gold
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

[Chad]

Wow.  It’s quite possible that they sold more than one silver and gold 
Bombadil.  Seeing the pics of your gorgeous bike makes me miss my old Bomba.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil Info

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What a wonderful bike.  Beautiful! 

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Chad]

I would agree Ted..  I too am happy with my Bombadil.  I am trying out the 
Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and I think they might be a good happy medium.  I 
have spoken to Riv and for $2400 they can have Waterford build me a 48cm 
Bombadil in any stock Riv color.  However, Brian and Vince suggested that 
the newest Hunqapillars have even more tire clearance than the the second 
gen Bombadil.  They did suggest that with my 80 PBH I would get a better 
fit on a 48 Bombadil or 48 Hunqapillar especially with the tires maxed 
out.  My Hillborne is a 51 and fits me great, but I run 42mm tires.

On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 9:45:34 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>
> Chad,
>
> I wouldn't say I have issues with my Bombadil. It works great for me, and 
> I am very happy with it. But it does sound like you probably have the same 
> clearance that I do, and that there isn't anything off nominal about your 
> frame. If you want/need to run Quasi-Motos at 30 to 35 psi and would rather 
> run larger tires that that, I suspect you would be happier with a different 
> frame. Perhaps a Hunqapillar.
>
> regards
> Ted
>
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 9:18:37 AM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>>
>> Garth- I too have an '83 Stumpjumper Sport frame and a box full of the 
>> most of the original parts.  I'm not sure what the tire clearance is like, 
>> but I have this neat old article from '83 as a reference 
>> http://www.vintagecrank.com/vintage-bicycle-articles/Fat-Tire-Bikes-Bicycle-Mag-May-83.pdf
>>
>> Looks like every bike test is running 2.125 tires.  I also have a '87 MB-2 
>> (one of Grant's first designs, the first was the '86 MB-1) that can only 
>> fit a fit a 1.9 tire.  I was able to squeeze in some reproduction Panaracer 
>> Timbuk II 2.0 tires, but they are super tight fit between the chainstays.
>>  
>> Jim and Ted- sounds like you guys have similiar issues on your early 
>> Bombadils (mine is a 52 BTW), so the problem is not just unique to my 
>> Bomba.  I think you folks our right about the Bomba being designed at a 
>> time when the Schwalbe HS 315 "Fatty" (true size 45-47) was the biggest 
>> 650b tire readily available. I CAN get about 5mm of clearance between tire 
>> and bridge if I run the Quasi's at 25-28 psi, but the one time I ran them 
>> that low I got a pinch flat.  I usually run 35 on pavement and then drop to 
>> 30 on rough trails.  I would like to eventually upgrade to a tubeless setup.
>>  
>> Mud clearance was a big issue this past season for both my Hillborne and 
>> Bomba.  I used my Hillborne for the Dirty Kanza gravel grinder and ending 
>> up carrying it for 3 miles because the wheels kept getting stuck between 
>> the frame and sidepulls.  I ended up wearing through the paint in a couple 
>> of spots when I finally was able to get the wheels unclogged enough to spin 
>> the clay-like mud was full of sand and pebbles.  I was running 40.5 wide 
>> Fatty Rumpkins and had at least 10mm of clearance above the tires on the 
>> Hillborne.  I may switch to Paul Racers and 38 mm tires this year on the 
>> Hillborne.  Similiarly, our local single track trails in KC were closed 
>> most of June and July here in KC due to rain and when they were open, they 
>> were still sticky in dirt and slick on the rocks.  I tried running the 
>> Schwalbe Fatties but could not get enough traction for climbing.
>>  
>> I have been talking to Rick at D cycles about getting the Bomba 
>> repainted, but I don't want to wreck the new paint with tire rub.  I am 
>> also considering trying to get the bridge raised 5mm.  I just installed 
>> Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and they have tons of room in the frame and the 
>> tanwalls look great on the Bomba.  I am hoping the work well enough on our 
>> local trails.  I use my Bomba as here in KC as my primary trail bike, as my 
>> full-suspension MTB currently lives at our vacation place in Colorado.
>>  
>> Chad
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[ted]

Glad you like your Bombadil, though you might like a 48 Hunqapillar even 
better. Get a frame and wheels, move all components over from the Bombadil 
and your all set. Then if you like the new rig sell the Bombadil frame and 
recoup half your outlay. Of course if the Rock n Roads do it for you no 
reason to change, but if you really want big tires you probably want a 
Hunqapillar.

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 9:51:34 AM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>
> I would agree Ted..  I too am happy with my Bombadil.  I am trying out the 
> Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and I think they might be a good happy medium.  I 
> have spoken to Riv and for $2400 they can have Waterford build me a 48cm 
> Bombadil in any stock Riv color.  However, Brian and Vince suggested that 
> the newest Hunqapillars have even more tire clearance than the the second 
> gen Bombadil.  They did suggest that with my 80 PBH I would get a better 
> fit on a 48 Bombadil or 48 Hunqapillar especially with the tires maxed 
> out.  My Hillborne is a 51 and fits me great, but I run 42mm tires.
>
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 9:45:34 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>>
>> Chad,
>>
>> I wouldn't say I have issues with my Bombadil. It works great for me, and 
>> I am very happy with it. But it does sound like you probably have the same 
>> clearance that I do, and that there isn't anything off nominal about your 
>> frame. If you want/need to run Quasi-Motos at 30 to 35 psi and would rather 
>> run larger tires that that, I suspect you would be happier with a different 
>> frame. Perhaps a Hunqapillar.
>>
>> regards
>> Ted
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 9:18:37 AM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>>>
>>> Garth- I too have an '83 Stumpjumper Sport frame and a box full of the 
>>> most of the original parts.  I'm not sure what the tire clearance is like, 
>>> but I have this neat old article from '83 as a reference 
>>> http://www.vintagecrank.com/vintage-bicycle-articles/Fat-Tire-Bikes-Bicycle-Mag-May-83.pdf
>>>
>>> Looks like every bike test is running 2.125 tires.  I also have a '87 MB-2 
>>> (one of Grant's first designs, the first was the '86 MB-1) that can only 
>>> fit a fit a 1.9 tire.  I was able to squeeze in some reproduction Panaracer 
>>> Timbuk II 2.0 tires, but they are super tight fit between the chainstays.
>>>  
>>> Jim and Ted- sounds like you guys have similiar issues on your early 
>>> Bombadils (mine is a 52 BTW), so the problem is not just unique to my 
>>> Bomba.  I think you folks our right about the Bomba being designed at a 
>>> time when the Schwalbe HS 315 "Fatty" (true size 45-47) was the biggest 
>>> 650b tire readily available. I CAN get about 5mm of clearance between tire 
>>> and bridge if I run the Quasi's at 25-28 psi, but the one time I ran them 
>>> that low I got a pinch flat.  I usually run 35 on pavement and then drop to 
>>> 30 on rough trails.  I would like to eventually upgrade to a tubeless setup.
>>>  
>>> Mud clearance was a big issue this past season for both my Hillborne and 
>>> Bomba.  I used my Hillborne for the Dirty Kanza gravel grinder and ending 
>>> up carrying it for 3 miles because the wheels kept getting stuck between 
>>> the frame and sidepulls.  I ended up wearing through the paint in a couple 
>>> of spots when I finally was able to get the wheels unclogged enough to spin 
>>> the clay-like mud was full of sand and pebbles.  I was running 40.5 wide 
>>> Fatty Rumpkins and had at least 10mm of clearance above the tires on the 
>>> Hillborne.  I may switch to Paul Racers and 38 mm tires this year on the 
>>> Hillborne.  Similiarly, our local single track trails in KC were closed 
>>> most of June and July here in KC due to rain and when they were open, they 
>>> were still sticky in dirt and slick on the rocks.  I tried running the 
>>> Schwalbe Fatties but could not get enough traction for climbing.
>>>  
>>> I have been talking to Rick at D cycles about getting the Bomba 
>>> repainted, but I don't want to wreck the new paint with tire rub.  I am 
>>> also considering trying to get the bridge raised 5mm.  I just installed 
>>> Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and they have tons of room in the frame and the 
>>> tanwalls look great on the Bomba.  I am hoping the work well enough on our 
>>> local trails.  I use my Bomba as here in KC as my primary trail bike, as my 
>>> full-suspension MTB currently lives at our vacation place in Colorado.
>>>  
>>> Chad
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[ted]

Does your bike have the crown with the partial moon cutout (like a 
Hunqapillar), or the three dots (like a Hillborne or Hilsen)? Diagonal tube 
and mid stays or parallel second top tube?

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>
> My Bomba is a 56, 650b, and I've run 2.3 NeoMotos under fenders;  if I 
> pulled the fenders off, I have no idea what tire is out there that would be 
> too big...  I think there isn't a 650b tire that it couldn't fit
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 12:51:34 PM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>>
>> I would agree Ted..  I too am happy with my Bombadil.  I am trying out 
>> the Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and I think they might be a good happy 
>> medium.  I have spoken to Riv and for $2400 they can have Waterford build 
>> me a 48cm Bombadil in any stock Riv color.  However, Brian and Vince 
>> suggested that the newest Hunqapillars have even more tire clearance than 
>> the the second gen Bombadil.  They did suggest that with my 80 PBH I would 
>> get a better fit on a 48 Bombadil or 48 Hunqapillar especially with the 
>> tires maxed out.  My Hillborne is a 51 and fits me great, but I run 42mm 
>> tires.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 9:45:34 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>>>
>>> Chad,
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say I have issues with my Bombadil. It works great for me, 
>>> and I am very happy with it. But it does sound like you probably have the 
>>> same clearance that I do, and that there isn't anything off nominal about 
>>> your frame. If you want/need to run Quasi-Motos at 30 to 35 psi and would 
>>> rather run larger tires that that, I suspect you would be happier with a 
>>> different frame. Perhaps a Hunqapillar.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Ted
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 9:18:37 AM UTC-8, Chad wrote:

 Garth- I too have an '83 Stumpjumper Sport frame and a box full of the 
 most of the original parts.  I'm not sure what the tire clearance is like, 
 but I have this neat old article from '83 as a reference 
 http://www.vintagecrank.com/vintage-bicycle-articles/Fat-Tire-Bikes-Bicycle-Mag-May-83.pdf

 Looks like every bike test is running 2.125 tires.  I also have a '87 MB-2 
 (one of Grant's first designs, the first was the '86 MB-1) that can only 
 fit a fit a 1.9 tire.  I was able to squeeze in some reproduction 
 Panaracer 
 Timbuk II 2.0 tires, but they are super tight fit between the chainstays.
  
 Jim and Ted- sounds like you guys have similiar issues on your early 
 Bombadils (mine is a 52 BTW), so the problem is not just unique to my 
 Bomba.  I think you folks our right about the Bomba being designed at a 
 time when the Schwalbe HS 315 "Fatty" (true size 45-47) was the biggest 
 650b tire readily available. I CAN get about 5mm of clearance between tire 
 and bridge if I run the Quasi's at 25-28 psi, but the one time I ran them 
 that low I got a pinch flat.  I usually run 35 on pavement and then drop 
 to 
 30 on rough trails.  I would like to eventually upgrade to a tubeless 
 setup.
  
 Mud clearance was a big issue this past season for both my Hillborne 
 and Bomba.  I used my Hillborne for the Dirty Kanza gravel grinder and 
 ending up carrying it for 3 miles because the wheels kept getting stuck 
 between the frame and sidepulls.  I ended up wearing through the paint in 
 a 
 couple of spots when I finally was able to get the wheels unclogged enough 
 to spin the clay-like mud was full of sand and pebbles.  I was running 
 40.5 
 wide Fatty Rumpkins and had at least 10mm of clearance above the tires on 
 the Hillborne.  I may switch to Paul Racers and 38 mm tires this year on 
 the Hillborne.  Similiarly, our local single track trails in KC were 
 closed 
 most of June and July here in KC due to rain and when they were open, they 
 were still sticky in dirt and slick on the rocks.  I tried running the 
 Schwalbe Fatties but could not get enough traction for climbing.
  
 I have been talking to Rick at D cycles about getting the Bomba 
 repainted, but I don't want to wreck the new paint with tire rub.  I am 
 also considering trying to get the bridge raised 5mm.  I just installed 
 Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and they have tons of room in the frame and the 
 tanwalls look great on the Bomba.  I am hoping the work well enough on our 
 local trails.  I use my Bomba as here in KC as my primary trail bike, as 
 my 
 full-suspension MTB currently lives at our vacation place in Colorado.
  
 Chad
  

  

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Leslie]

My Bomba is a 56, 650b, and I've run 2.3 NeoMotos under fenders;  if I 
pulled the fenders off, I have no idea what tire is out there that would be 
too big...  I think there isn't a 650b tire that it couldn't fit

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 12:51:34 PM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>
> I would agree Ted..  I too am happy with my Bombadil.  I am trying out the 
> Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and I think they might be a good happy medium.  I 
> have spoken to Riv and for $2400 they can have Waterford build me a 48cm 
> Bombadil in any stock Riv color.  However, Brian and Vince suggested that 
> the newest Hunqapillars have even more tire clearance than the the second 
> gen Bombadil.  They did suggest that with my 80 PBH I would get a better 
> fit on a 48 Bombadil or 48 Hunqapillar especially with the tires maxed 
> out.  My Hillborne is a 51 and fits me great, but I run 42mm tires.
>
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 9:45:34 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>>
>> Chad,
>>
>> I wouldn't say I have issues with my Bombadil. It works great for me, and 
>> I am very happy with it. But it does sound like you probably have the same 
>> clearance that I do, and that there isn't anything off nominal about your 
>> frame. If you want/need to run Quasi-Motos at 30 to 35 psi and would rather 
>> run larger tires that that, I suspect you would be happier with a different 
>> frame. Perhaps a Hunqapillar.
>>
>> regards
>> Ted
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 9:18:37 AM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>>>
>>> Garth- I too have an '83 Stumpjumper Sport frame and a box full of the 
>>> most of the original parts.  I'm not sure what the tire clearance is like, 
>>> but I have this neat old article from '83 as a reference 
>>> http://www.vintagecrank.com/vintage-bicycle-articles/Fat-Tire-Bikes-Bicycle-Mag-May-83.pdf
>>>
>>> Looks like every bike test is running 2.125 tires.  I also have a '87 MB-2 
>>> (one of Grant's first designs, the first was the '86 MB-1) that can only 
>>> fit a fit a 1.9 tire.  I was able to squeeze in some reproduction Panaracer 
>>> Timbuk II 2.0 tires, but they are super tight fit between the chainstays.
>>>  
>>> Jim and Ted- sounds like you guys have similiar issues on your early 
>>> Bombadils (mine is a 52 BTW), so the problem is not just unique to my 
>>> Bomba.  I think you folks our right about the Bomba being designed at a 
>>> time when the Schwalbe HS 315 "Fatty" (true size 45-47) was the biggest 
>>> 650b tire readily available. I CAN get about 5mm of clearance between tire 
>>> and bridge if I run the Quasi's at 25-28 psi, but the one time I ran them 
>>> that low I got a pinch flat.  I usually run 35 on pavement and then drop to 
>>> 30 on rough trails.  I would like to eventually upgrade to a tubeless setup.
>>>  
>>> Mud clearance was a big issue this past season for both my Hillborne and 
>>> Bomba.  I used my Hillborne for the Dirty Kanza gravel grinder and ending 
>>> up carrying it for 3 miles because the wheels kept getting stuck between 
>>> the frame and sidepulls.  I ended up wearing through the paint in a couple 
>>> of spots when I finally was able to get the wheels unclogged enough to spin 
>>> the clay-like mud was full of sand and pebbles.  I was running 40.5 wide 
>>> Fatty Rumpkins and had at least 10mm of clearance above the tires on the 
>>> Hillborne.  I may switch to Paul Racers and 38 mm tires this year on the 
>>> Hillborne.  Similiarly, our local single track trails in KC were closed 
>>> most of June and July here in KC due to rain and when they were open, they 
>>> were still sticky in dirt and slick on the rocks.  I tried running the 
>>> Schwalbe Fatties but could not get enough traction for climbing.
>>>  
>>> I have been talking to Rick at D cycles about getting the Bomba 
>>> repainted, but I don't want to wreck the new paint with tire rub.  I am 
>>> also considering trying to get the bridge raised 5mm.  I just installed 
>>> Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and they have tons of room in the frame and the 
>>> tanwalls look great on the Bomba.  I am hoping the work well enough on our 
>>> local trails.  I use my Bomba as here in KC as my primary trail bike, as my 
>>> full-suspension MTB currently lives at our vacation place in Colorado.
>>>  
>>> Chad
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Leslie]

Mine?  It's a diagastay Bomba w/ the half-moon crown...  (see the pics from 
my earlier post in this thread if you'd like).

-L


On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 4:39:33 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>
> Does your bike have the crown with the partial moon cutout (like a 
> Hunqapillar), or the three dots (like a Hillborne or Hilsen)? Diagonal tube 
> and mid stays or parallel second top tube?
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> My Bomba is a 56, 650b, and I've run 2.3 NeoMotos under fenders;  if I 
>> pulled the fenders off, I have no idea what tire is out there that would be 
>> too big...  I think there isn't a 650b tire that it couldn't fit
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 12:51:34 PM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>>>
>>> I would agree Ted..  I too am happy with my Bombadil.  I am trying out 
>>> the Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and I think they might be a good happy 
>>> medium.  I have spoken to Riv and for $2400 they can have Waterford build 
>>> me a 48cm Bombadil in any stock Riv color.  However, Brian and Vince 
>>> suggested that the newest Hunqapillars have even more tire clearance than 
>>> the the second gen Bombadil.  They did suggest that with my 80 PBH I would 
>>> get a better fit on a 48 Bombadil or 48 Hunqapillar especially with the 
>>> tires maxed out.  My Hillborne is a 51 and fits me great, but I run 42mm 
>>> tires.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 9:45:34 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:

 Chad,

 I wouldn't say I have issues with my Bombadil. It works great for me, 
 and I am very happy with it. But it does sound like you probably have the 
 same clearance that I do, and that there isn't anything off nominal about 
 your frame. If you want/need to run Quasi-Motos at 30 to 35 psi and would 
 rather run larger tires that that, I suspect you would be happier with a 
 different frame. Perhaps a Hunqapillar.

 regards
 Ted

 On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 9:18:37 AM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>
> Garth- I too have an '83 Stumpjumper Sport frame and a box full of the 
> most of the original parts.  I'm not sure what the tire clearance is 
> like, 
> but I have this neat old article from '83 as a reference 
> http://www.vintagecrank.com/vintage-bicycle-articles/Fat-Tire-Bikes-Bicycle-Mag-May-83.pdf
>
> Looks like every bike test is running 2.125 tires.  I also have a '87 
> MB-2 
> (one of Grant's first designs, the first was the '86 MB-1) that can only 
> fit a fit a 1.9 tire.  I was able to squeeze in some reproduction 
> Panaracer 
> Timbuk II 2.0 tires, but they are super tight fit between the chainstays.
>  
> Jim and Ted- sounds like you guys have similiar issues on your early 
> Bombadils (mine is a 52 BTW), so the problem is not just unique to my 
> Bomba.  I think you folks our right about the Bomba being designed at a 
> time when the Schwalbe HS 315 "Fatty" (true size 45-47) was the biggest 
> 650b tire readily available. I CAN get about 5mm of clearance between 
> tire 
> and bridge if I run the Quasi's at 25-28 psi, but the one time I ran them 
> that low I got a pinch flat.  I usually run 35 on pavement and then drop 
> to 
> 30 on rough trails.  I would like to eventually upgrade to a tubeless 
> setup.
>  
> Mud clearance was a big issue this past season for both my Hillborne 
> and Bomba.  I used my Hillborne for the Dirty Kanza gravel grinder and 
> ending up carrying it for 3 miles because the wheels kept getting stuck 
> between the frame and sidepulls.  I ended up wearing through the paint in 
> a 
> couple of spots when I finally was able to get the wheels unclogged 
> enough 
> to spin the clay-like mud was full of sand and pebbles.  I was running 
> 40.5 
> wide Fatty Rumpkins and had at least 10mm of clearance above the tires on 
> the Hillborne.  I may switch to Paul Racers and 38 mm tires this year on 
> the Hillborne.  Similiarly, our local single track trails in KC were 
> closed 
> most of June and July here in KC due to rain and when they were open, 
> they 
> were still sticky in dirt and slick on the rocks.  I tried running the 
> Schwalbe Fatties but could not get enough traction for climbing.
>  
> I have been talking to Rick at D cycles about getting the Bomba 
> repainted, but I don't want to wreck the new paint with tire rub.  I am 
> also considering trying to get the bridge raised 5mm.  I just installed 
> Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and they have tons of room in the frame and the 
> tanwalls look great on the Bomba.  I am hoping the work well enough on 
> our 
> local trails.  I use my Bomba as here in KC as my primary trail bike, as 
> my 
> full-suspension MTB currently lives at our vacation place in Colorado.
>  
> Chad
>  
>
>  
>

[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Chad]

http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/marathon_mondial
 

> I may try the new 650b x 2.0 Marathon Mondials on the Bomba when they 
> become available.  I have considered Big Bens, but I don't think they will 
> work well on the trails in my neck of the woods.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Tire Clearance

[Chad]

Garth- I too have an '83 Stumpjumper Sport frame and a box full of the most 
of the original parts.  I'm not sure what the tire clearance is like, but I 
have this neat old article from '83 as a reference 
http://www.vintagecrank.com/vintage-bicycle-articles/Fat-Tire-Bikes-Bicycle-Mag-May-83.pdf
   
Looks like every bike test is running 2.125 tires.  I also have a '87 MB-2 
(one of Grant's first designs, the first was the '86 MB-1) that can only 
fit a fit a 1.9 tire.  I was able to squeeze in some reproduction Panaracer 
Timbuk II 2.0 tires, but they are super tight fit between the chainstays.
 
Jim and Ted- sounds like you guys have similiar issues on your early 
Bombadils (mine is a 52 BTW), so the problem is not just unique to my 
Bomba.  I think you folks our right about the Bomba being designed at a 
time when the Schwalbe HS 315 "Fatty" (true size 45-47) was the biggest 
650b tire readily available. I CAN get about 5mm of clearance between tire 
and bridge if I run the Quasi's at 25-28 psi, but the one time I ran them 
that low I got a pinch flat.  I usually run 35 on pavement and then drop to 
30 on rough trails.  I would like to eventually upgrade to a tubeless setup.
 
Mud clearance was a big issue this past season for both my Hillborne and 
Bomba.  I used my Hillborne for the Dirty Kanza gravel grinder and ending 
up carrying it for 3 miles because the wheels kept getting stuck between 
the frame and sidepulls.  I ended up wearing through the paint in a couple 
of spots when I finally was able to get the wheels unclogged enough to spin 
the clay-like mud was full of sand and pebbles.  I was running 40.5 wide 
Fatty Rumpkins and had at least 10mm of clearance above the tires on the 
Hillborne.  I may switch to Paul Racers and 38 mm tires this year on the 
Hillborne.  Similiarly, our local single track trails in KC were closed 
most of June and July here in KC due to rain and when they were open, they 
were still sticky in dirt and slick on the rocks.  I tried running the 
Schwalbe Fatties but could not get enough traction for climbing.
 
I have been talking to Rick at D cycles about getting the Bomba 
repainted, but I don't want to wreck the new paint with tire rub.  I am 
also considering trying to get the bridge raised 5mm.  I just installed 
Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and they have tons of room in the frame and the 
tanwalls look great on the Bomba.  I am hoping the work well enough on our 
local trails.  I use my Bomba as here in KC as my primary trail bike, as my 
full-suspension MTB currently lives at our vacation place in Colorado.
 
Chad
 

 

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