Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride: wee dram optional

[Patrick Moore]

https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2011/jun/13/poem-week-g-k-chesterton

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:02 AM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> “Bannockburn by way of Brighton Beach” is dead funny, and euphonious. And
> dark, considering Bannockburn’s place in history, which sets up the last
> verse pretty well.
>
> The rest of it I’ll have to google.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride: wee dram optional

[Philip Williamson]

“Bannockburn by way of Brighton Beach” is dead funny, and euphonious. And dark, 
considering Bannockburn’s place in history, which sets up the last verse pretty 
well. 

The rest of it I’ll have to google.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride: wee dram optional

[Patrick Moore]

One of your best stories yet. I'm sorry you have no photos.

To celebrate the anecdote, here is a poem first publishe din 1913 under the
title "A Song Of Temperance Reform."

The Rolling English Road
By G. K. Chesterton 
Before the Roman came to Rye or out to Severn strode,
The rolling English drunkard made the rolling English road.
A reeling road, a rolling road, that rambles round the shire,
And after him the parson ran, the sexton and the squire;
A merry road, a mazy road, and such as we did tread
The night we went to Birmingham by way of Beachy Head.

I knew no harm of Bonaparte and plenty of the Squire,
And for to fight the Frenchman I did not much desire;
But I did bash their baggonets because they came arrayed
To straighten out the crooked road an English drunkard made,
Where you and I went down the lane with ale-mugs in our hands,
The night we went to Glastonbury by way of Goodwin Sands.

His sins they were forgiven him; or why do flowers run
Behind him; and the hedges all strengthening in the sun?
The wild thing went from left to right and knew not which was which,
But the wild rose was above him when they found him in the ditch.
God pardon us, nor harden us; we did not see so clear
The night we went to Bannockburn by way of Brighton Pier.

My friends, we will not go again or ape an ancient rage,
Or stretch the folly of our youth to be the shame of age,
But walk with clearer eyes and ears this path that wandereth,
And see undrugged in evening light the decent inn of death;
For there is good news yet to hear and fine things to be seen,
Before we go to Paradise by way of Kensal Green.

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 2:26 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> In 2000, me wifie and cousin and I did a hired bike tour of the best
> whisky in the world. Three miles, three distilleries. Grin. The winding
> costal road got straighter with each stop. Grin. Then we discovered that
> our bnb was the other side of the island instead of just three miles on.
> Whooof.  My bike had no tools, but the handlebars came loose in the
> headset. Bashed it back into place with a bit borrowed from one of those
> drystone walls you can see there. Jacobs sheep laughing at me through the
> whisky mist. The roads that go inland are straight, which seems mighty
> curvy after three distilleries of tasting. Grin. Scotland redefines
> headwinds. Islay redefines them yet again. Ain't nuffin' slowing them down
> from gaining speed across the Atlantic. Then they hit me and I slowed down.
> A lot. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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> On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 10:03:29 AM UTC-7, David Carner wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/aug/17/hardcore-cycling-in-almost-guaranteed-rain-scotlands-no-frills-anti-sportive
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[lum gim fong]

Masala Chai and a Samosa

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[Ryan Fleming]

I hear you about accidents in traffic

I've never enjoyed riding in heavy traffic at the best of times ...but next 
spring (since I don't ride in winter...prefer walking) I'm going to be even 
more attentive...not that I wasn't when I had my accident

On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-6, RJM wrote:
>
> MTB single track and some double. Not terribly technical, but steep climbs 
> are the norm.  I've started doing a bunch of gravel riding too and have 
> been shying away from riding in traffic. Too many incidents and a few 
> deaths have me rethinking it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[RJM]

MTB single track and some double. Not terribly technical, but steep climbs are 
the norm.  I've started doing a bunch of gravel riding too and have been shying 
away from riding in traffic. Too many incidents and a few deaths have me 
rethinking it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[Patrick Moore]

My experience exactly. For a while, I tried watching TV shows, but already
crappy shows just got crappier, and so much slower that they were painful
to watch. That said, I have to acknowledge the others who do tolerate and
even thrive on indoor training. If it works, good for you. If I lived in a
place where circumstances made riding unpleasant, I'd probably choose --
reluctantly -- an indoor trainer over, say, going to the gymn and killing
brain cells on a treadmill or stair stepper. That would be hell, and
inconvenient hell because you'd doubtless drive to your place of punishment.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 3:59 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> I use to own an indoor trainer.  I called it my time machine.  I would
> ride it for an hour, look at my watch and discover that only 5 minutes had
> gone bye.
>
> Fresh air, daylight & exercise are all critical for good health -
> physical, mental and spiritual.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 6:31:07 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-
>> thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>>
>> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>>
>> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies,
>> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear
>> ride.
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>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[Ryan Fleming]

I take it  RJM means MTB single and double track

On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 12:15:26 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> When you say "trail riding" are you referring to riding paved bike 
> trails, or to MTB single or double track? 
>
>
> On 11/25/2016 01:07 PM, RJM wrote: 
> > I spend a decent amount of time on the trainer throughout the year and 
> > actually like following workouts using it, which has helped me greatly 
> > now that I've been doing a bit of cyclocross racing. Which, IMHO, is 
> > the best type of racing and even great for those of us who aren't 
> > competitive and just want to ride our own rides. Huge fun...Uuuge 
> > fun...and not so serious-like. 
> > 
> > When I ride outside on the road I generally am either with a group 
> > or on a charity ride and doing whatever everybody else is doing or 
> > I'm riding the trails at whatever intensity level I feel like, which 
> > is usually pretty slow and leisurely. I vastly prefer trail riding 
> > nowadays. The trainer makes it very easy to knock out effective 
> > workouts to up my fitness which makes trail riding way less 
> > ridiculously exhausting and much more pleasurable. I've never been 
> > much of a gym person, but I can bust out an hour or two on the trainer 
> > at home no problem if I didn't get a chance to ride outside for a 
> > while. Works for me. 
> > 
> > Spin classes are no joke and will get you fitter pretty quick. 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[Steve Palincsar]

When you say "trail riding" are you referring to riding paved bike 
trails, or to MTB single or double track?



On 11/25/2016 01:07 PM, RJM wrote:
I spend a decent amount of time on the trainer throughout the year and 
actually like following workouts using it, which has helped me greatly 
now that I've been doing a bit of cyclocross racing. Which, IMHO, is 
the best type of racing and even great for those of us who aren't 
competitive and just want to ride our own rides. Huge fun...Uuuge 
fun...and not so serious-like.


When I ride outside on the road I generally am either with a group 
or on a charity ride and doing whatever everybody else is doing or 
I'm riding the trails at whatever intensity level I feel like, which 
is usually pretty slow and leisurely. I vastly prefer trail riding 
nowadays. The trainer makes it very easy to knock out effective 
workouts to up my fitness which makes trail riding way less 
ridiculously exhausting and much more pleasurable. I've never been 
much of a gym person, but I can bust out an hour or two on the trainer 
at home no problem if I didn't get a chance to ride outside for a 
while. Works for me.


Spin classes are no joke and will get you fitter pretty quick.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[Steve Palincsar]

It's been many years since I was last at a spin class, but they had a 
very mixed programme including sprints at a very high RPM, "hill 
climbing" with very high resistance, a lot of out-of-the-saddle work and 
one-legged drills.  It was a very intense workout, and many of the 
skills transferred to the road, as did the enhanced level of aerobic 
fitness.



On 11/24/2016 09:20 AM, George Schick wrote:
Speaking of indoor cycling, has anyone ever run into one of these 
people who go for these "spinning" classes?  IOW, are they spinning at 
outrageous RPM's with very low "gears" (resistance) so that when the 
get out on the road on an actual bike, into stiff headwinds and 
variable climatic conditions the bottom falls out of their 
performance?  Or are they over the top when they transfer to the 
outdoors so they can knock your socks off?  Just curious.


On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 5:31:07 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:


https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/




Courtesy of you-know-who.

Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"

Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray
skies, and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just
Ride fixed gear ride.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[Steve Palincsar]

I am definitely beginning to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEDb3xzdec


On 11/24/2016 05:38 AM, Garth wrote:


Maybe if you would cease yours you would understand .

Ahahahahahahaahahahahaha!


On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 12:46:46 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore 
wrote:


Time for your meds, Garth.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Garth  wrote:


Riding is riding.

Why is why.

The two can't be mixed.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[Garth]

Maybe if you would cease yours you would understand .

Ahahahahahahaahahahahaha!


On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 12:46:46 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Time for your meds, Garth.
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Garth  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Riding is riding.   
>>
>> Why is why. 
>>
>> The two can't be mixed. 
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> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[Patrick Moore]

Time for your meds, Garth.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Garth  wrote:

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> Riding is riding.
>
> Why is why.
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> The two can't be mixed.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride - Kindle Version - One Sale

[cyclotourist]

One sale to rule them all!

Cheers,
David

it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal





On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:53 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Wow!  I bought a hard copy when it first came out but for that price I
 just bought the Kindle version for convenience and to support Grant.
  Thanks for the link!



 On Friday, May 9, 2014 5:32:25 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 FYI, this was on the blug, but if you haven't seen it, the Kindle version
 of Just Ride is on sale: http://www.amazon.com/
 Just-Ride-Radically-Practical-Riding/dp/0761155589

 Pretty good investment of $2.51!


 Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] Re: just ride sighting

[Aaron Young]

Hah!  I think Riv might be a new house staging trend.  Check this out:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1518-W-13th-St-The-Dalles-OR-97058/86346788_zpid/#hdp-photo-lightbox

-Aaron
Vancouver, WA


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Liesl,
  I would love to meet up - but I don't live in Madison. My Little brother
 lives up there and me and the SO have talked about moving up there. We like
 the feel and the bike-ness of it. Not sure we can leave Durham, NC, though.
 It's a good problem to have, to love too many places. :)

 And onto the subject - yes - I would love to be in a swank jenifer st
 retreat, too.

 I can picture a nice day:
 Get up, paddle across the lake and back
 Bike down to new glarus brewery
 bike home
 fall asleep watching the sun go down.

 wash, rinse, repeat

  -sv



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 Good eye!  I used to live in Madison—well, actually I grew up there— and
 come back for a visit on occasion.  When I do, I'll give you a holler,
 Seth.  Hopefully you'll be in your swank Jenifer Street Lake Monona retreat!

 Liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: just ride sighting

[cyclotourist]

Awesome!

Cheers,
David



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 http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1518-W-13th-St-The-Dalles-OR-97058/86346788_zpid/#hdp-photo-lightbox

 -Aaron
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 Liesl,
  I would love to meet up - but I don't live in Madison. My Little brother
 lives up there and me and the SO have talked about moving up there. We like
 the feel and the bike-ness of it. Not sure we can leave Durham, NC, though.
 It's a good problem to have, to love too many places. :)

 And onto the subject - yes - I would love to be in a swank jenifer st
 retreat, too.

 I can picture a nice day:
 Get up, paddle across the lake and back
 Bike down to new glarus brewery
 bike home
 fall asleep watching the sun go down.

 wash, rinse, repeat

  -sv



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 come back for a visit on occasion.  When I do, I'll give you a holler,
 Seth.  Hopefully you'll be in your swank Jenifer Street Lake Monona retreat!

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Re: [RBW] Re: just ride sighting

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Liesl,
 I would love to meet up - but I don't live in Madison. My Little brother
lives up there and me and the SO have talked about moving up there. We like
the feel and the bike-ness of it. Not sure we can leave Durham, NC, though.
It's a good problem to have, to love too many places. :)

And onto the subject - yes - I would love to be in a swank jenifer st
retreat, too.

I can picture a nice day:
Get up, paddle across the lake and back
Bike down to new glarus brewery
bike home
fall asleep watching the sun go down.

wash, rinse, repeat

-sv



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 Seth.  Hopefully you'll be in your swank Jenifer Street Lake Monona retreat!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride!

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I remember Turbos.  I thought they were the best saddles ever.  However
when handlebar height equals or exceeds saddle height they become quite
uncomfortable. For me at least. I can't convince my lower back to bend over
that far for any length of time anymore. Never owned a Flite.  My humble
opinions, worth perhaps 40 % of a nickel.



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 I find that the original Flites are the most comfortable - they disappear.
 Even better than original issue Turbos, which are a bit too rounded. Of all
 the Brookses, the Pro was the best, but I could not comfortably adjust the
 tilt, so after 12-18 months I sold it. B17s are too wide.


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 I love the B17/Flyer saddles.
 That smooth leather is painless on my rump compared to plasticy saddles
 which seem to gouge every seem on my clothes into my flesh.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride!

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I find that the original Flites are the most comfortable - they disappear.
Even better than original issue Turbos, which are a bit too rounded. Of all
the Brookses, the Pro was the best, but I could not comfortably adjust the
tilt, so after 12-18 months I sold it. B17s are too wide.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

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Funny when I was wrestling we called them squat thrusts, they were still a
pain though, haha. But the most exerting exercise I remember was the duck
walk where you obvioulsy squat down and walk like a duck but you have to
hold you ankles while you do it, man everthing burned after a minute or
two, havent been in that good of shape in at least 10 years as my wife is
fond of reminding me :)

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 Chapter 34 burpee reverse-ladder kicked my butt.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Steven Frederick]

Man, that's an effective analogy!  I'm going to use that...

Steve, make mine loafers.

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Exactly. What if every shoe store in America only sold running shoes and
 hiking boots? And the staff looked at you cross-eyed if you dared  suggest
 you might want to do anything but run or hike. You'd have to dig deep into
 the dark corners of some internet sub-culture to buy loafers, or sandals!

 On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:03:40 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:

 When I first started cycling as an adult, I purchased a $430 big-brand
 hybrid style bike that was god-awful ugly but served my novice self
 perfectly as a commuter and general transportation/recreation machine. But
 when I decided that I was committed enough to bikes to get something
 fancier/cooler, the big-brand shop didn't have any upgrades that weren't
 racing-style bikes or suspended MTBs. The message was clear: the only way
 to be a serious cyclist was to aspire to the racing image and racing
 paradigms. I knew that probably was not ever going to be my cup of tea. The
 ensuing internet research led me to conclude that a touring bike was what I
 really wanted, but the only one likely to be found locally was the Trek
 520, and none of the local shops I called had one in stock. Eventually, I
 discovered and purchased an Atlantis. That was my first truly good bike,
 and even though I no longer own it, it has influenced all my subsequent
 ideas about bikes.

 Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are
 probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went
 that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of
 other options?

 On Monday, May 21, 2012 10:05:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote:

 On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect
 that
  some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun.

 Agreed.  Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it.  And
 despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of
 racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which
 is a good thing.  Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport
 and it's not just lance wannabes who do it - the vast majority of
 people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro
 level.  But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and
 participate in something.  It's no different than any other physical
 endeavor - you can take it as far as you want.

 There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about
 as a good of an example as you can get of people of different
 abilities challenging themselves in the same race.  99% of the
 people who line up know they will not win the race.  100% are there to
 prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing -
 just finishing, or setting a personal record (the PR) will be a big
 deal.  it's very similar to randonneuring.  bike racing is the same.
 it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

[Peter Morgano]

I love how all of Brooklyn is lumped in as hipster and cool. Hilarious for
those of us who live in the thoroughly uncool areas like Bay Ridge where
Coors Lite rules, that is in south area of Bay Ridge. I live in an all
Muslim area where you cant get beer or wine, or pork products for
that matter but Halal stuff is at a higher standard so it is good stuff if
you like goat, or lamb products. Mmmm, making me hungry.

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 I'm just glad we can still be internet-friends.


 On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:35:25 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:

 Some people do, which is fine; we don't want to all be identical...   I'm
 just not fond of the citrus-y orange twinge in it.



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 I do like Blue Moon...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

[Bruce Herbitter]

You mean my old digs of Far Rockaway will never make the grade?
Some Genny Cream would be good right now (not available in the deep South
where I pedal these days)
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I love how all of Brooklyn is lumped in as hipster and cool.

 And that no amount of misconception will allow Queens to make that
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

[cyclotourist]

All those ladies can't be wrong!

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Philip Williamson 
philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:

 I went to St. Paul a couple years ago, and my boss ordered a Blue Moon in
 a funky bar famous for its stuffed hamburger. The waiter said, Yeh, that's
 real popular... with the ladies.

  Philip

 Philip Williamson
 www.biketinker.com


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 I do like Blue Moon...

 On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:44:58 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:

 On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:25:19 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I really hate PBR.


 LOL!!!

 Several friends have been huge Natty Lite fans, I just don't go
 there...   Bass, Guinness, Fat Tire, 1554, Dead Guy, milk stouts, oatmeal
 porters, etc., those are the ones I like...   (ie, NOT Blue Moon).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Peter Morgano]

Peer pressure might be a big part of it but the same can also be said for
the fixie or 29er crazes. I know a few  years ago my LBS was full of
muscle heads who were interested in going down a hill really fast who how
now gone back to the gym or tanning booths where they came from. For me it
isnt the gear or the marketing that annoys me about racing  bikes but the
riders, sad to say. Here in NYC they ride around in their team kit weaving
in and out of slower riders and shouting at people who are in their way,
its really annoying and dangerous too. They are just truly aggravating and
therefore build an animosity in most of us unracers. Had a nice talk with
two girls on their LHTs who were expressing the same concerns the other
day, we have all just had it with their pretend racing dreams and acting
like arrogant jerks out there.  For the record I don't have anything
against actual racing cyclists, my uncle was a competitive rider for 10
years and still does 20 miles before work at 5am at age 50, the only shame
is he is 6'6 so I cant borrow any of his fancy racing rigs or I definitely
would take them out for a spin. I cant deny that the speed of a sub 20 bike
is fun but certainly not comfy or practical for me to actually own.  Long
story short, if you have racing dreams, please feel free to pursue them but
dont shout at the delivery guys who are in your way because you are
training and dont tell me my bike is slow, I am the one who is slow,
haha.
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 On May 21, 12:03 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 thill@gmail.com wrote:

  Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are
  probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went
  that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of
  other options?

 I don't think there are any shortcuts to finding the stuff that
 works for us, as individuals.  It takes a lot of trial and error and
 a willingness to try new things and think outside of the box before we
 find the stuff that really sings. Lack of options is certainly a
 problem - I suspect that for some of us, most bike shops are mostly
 irrelevant.  But for others just getting into cycling, it's a
 perfectly adequate place to start.  Peer pressure is an issue too, no
 doubt.  But knowing that there are other options and learning that
 what works for Joe may not work for Jim only comes with experience and
 at some point we take control of our decisions about what to ride.

 it's not a coincidence that many older, experienced riders (racers
 included) have some of the smarter (IMO), more personalized bikes
 around.  same with bike mechanics, who tend to have lots of experience
 with different bikes/components.  there's no real substitute for
 experience, passion and critical thinking - but how many people are
 willing to go that far in their decision making process, especially
 with something that only amounts to a peripheral hobby?  a lot of
 people simply don't care that much and are happy (or content, at
 least) with that big brand hybrid or whatever.  they're certainly not
 debating low-trail, frame flex, tire clearance, etc.

  the fact that you discovered an Atlantis says more about you and
 your approach to exploring something you enjoy doing than anything
 else.  most folks on this list probably don't just scratch the
 surface of things they really like doing.  that's a unique trait and
 the mass-market is never going favor it - it much prefers hobbyist
 contentment.

 Anyway, this subject is interesting to me because i'm going through
 the learning process now with running - i look at running shoes in
 an entirely different way now that i'm developing some clear
 preferences from my running experience and I'm finding options that i
 simply never knew about or even considered before.  There are many
 parallels to cycling.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[PATRICK MOORE]

My experience, too. Albuquerque has a very extensive cycling
population among whom are many racers. I've caught up to or
otherwise ridden with several of the higher level ones and they have
been uniformly polite; one sponsored man telling me, hang on, if you
want. (I wanted but realized I couldn't, thereby saving myself much
needed humiliation.) The Masters-level captain of a local team rode
with me two or three times -- we lived in the same neighborhood. (This
was some years go; come to think of it, all of these instances were
~10 years ago which says something of the decline in my speed.) The
assholes have been, at least to first appearance and seeming ability,
neophytes, like the jerk who drafted me on the grocery-front-loaded
Herse, of all things (huge porteur bag stuffed with 25 lb) and, when I
expressed my annoyance, passed me on the *right* resulting in some
words from me -- as well as an attempt to draft *him* which succeeded
for a mile or so).

OTOH, I think ABQ has, probably just from the size of the cycling
population, all sorts including a large and lively hilpster
population. Just last week I passed two women on what looked to be
very high end Dutch bikes: glossy colors, colored balloon tires, hub
brakes, full fenders and chaincases, lighting: should have slowed to
talk but didn't think about it until half mile ahead.

The bike shops here carry a wide selection of different types; even
the high end racing shop nearby carried Amersterdams and Milanos in
addition to the $4500 carbon fiber 29ers and Cervelos. They do much of
my special ordering: SS stuff, dynamo stuff, 27 mm wide Synergy rims,
ooh'd and aah'd over the trike, built my SnoCat wheels, etc.

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 completely understandable.  attitude counts.  there's no excuse for
 being a jerk.  i'm fortunate to be in a scene where most of the local
 pro's and competitive riders (and we have our share) are super nice
 and respectful on and off the road.  interestingly enough, i find that
 it's usually the lower level amateur racers that are the most aggro/
 obnoxious.  there seems to be a real mutual respect for others at the
 higher levels.






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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Justin August]

Shouldn't we all just be having fun when we ride?


If 23mm tires and carbon is truly, in a zen way, fun for you: do it!
Mirrors, panniers, bags, steel? Do it.
650b fixed gear 70s racer to townie conversion? Do it! (I do!)

Much like underwear, as long as its not chafing others who cares what other 
people are doing as long as we're all having fun?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Corollary to Justin's excellent point of 'whatever makes you happy is 
nobody else's business', I think Grant is saying 'don't be bullied into 
conformity by popular bike culture, particularly by unrealistic racing 
fantasies'. Sometimes I think Grant likes to humorously needle even 
conformity with the Riv aesthetic, which he does by running non-boutique, 
sometimes even blatantly cheap components, having bikes that are well 
beausaged (aka beat up), putting kickstand feet on his bar-end shifters, 
etc. In any case, the point is to do your own thing and be skeptical of 
others' opinions. 

Underlying all this, there is the sense that the bike industry channels us 
into a choice between serious sport bikes or geekier, less cool options, 
with little in between. Of course, the bike world has changed a lot in the 
past 5-10 years, and now there are choices in bicycles and gear available 
to suit almost any taste or personality.

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 7:30:46 AM UTC-5, Justin August wrote:

 Shouldn't we all just be having fun when we ride?


 If 23mm tires and carbon is truly, in a zen way, fun for you: do it!
 Mirrors, panniers, bags, steel? Do it.
 650b fixed gear 70s racer to townie conversion? Do it! (I do!)

 Much like underwear, as long as its not chafing others who cares what 
 other people are doing as long as we're all having fun?

 -J



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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Justin August]

Jim-
Thanks! You're one of the folks who steered me and my family towards Riv and 
Surly. I just emailed GP because the Kindle version has his name as Grant 
Persen on the title page. Hopefully they fix it and push it out to us nonpaper 
folks.  I wish I could have purchased an electronic version not through Amazon 
though!

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Peter Morgano]

Preaching to the choir man,  rode plastic bikes for years for how light and
perceived fast they were.  Always uncomfortable,  now feel liberated on
my 42s getting passed by team kit getting ready for the tour in their
minds.
On May 18, 2012 1:18 AM, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote:

 Well, it's not about the equipment. It's the motivations of the person
 picking the equipment. Biking has become associated with fitness and
 competition. Riding for fun and enjoyment comes in a distant second place
 in a lot of people's minds. This has meant a lot of people out there are
 miserable when riding their bikes. It has become a chore, or something they
 feel they have to do, like eating broccoli. It has also meant even more
 people have simply stayed away from riding altogether because they think it
 has to be a miserable, character-building endeavor.

 The point of Grant's talk (I haven't read the book yet) is to free people
 of these ill-conceived notions. I can't decided if this is lame or not, but
 I'm thinking it might be apt to summarize Grant's goal as Zen and the Art
 of Bicycle Riding. If you're not at peace with how you ride, you're doing
 it wrong.

 Trying to straddle some line between practical and fitness is probably
 still missing the point. (Though not necessarily, so please don't take
 offense, I'm not trying to call you out) One should only ride that which
 they enjoy. There shouldn't be trade-offs or balancing acts figuring one's
 enjoyment. Choosing to get beat-up *less* on 25 mm tires to go 1 mph
 faster, instead of 23 mm tires to go 2 mph faster is still doing it wrong.
 Everyone's sole and unequivocal condition should be don't get beat-up by
 your tires. After that is met, who cares about width? It is what it is.

 Hope this doesn't come across too preachy.

 Regards,
 -Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Pondero]

Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect that 
some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun.  That was me 
10 years ago.  But what fun is to me has changed.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The woman in question didn't buy a bike from me yet, but the Pacer, 
Cross-check, and San Marcos were the three I showed her. Most of the problem is 
not speed, but wanting to fit in with the clubby roadies she imagines she'll 
ride with someday. And those guys have preached a different sort of gospel 
about carbon being a magical substance that makes everything about bike riding 
better. I used to ride my Atlantis with 50 mm Big Apples, fenders, a rack, a 
grocery pannier, and flat pedals on a weekly ride like that. At least half my 
conversations on those rides involved my companions trying to sell me on the 
trappings of the faux-racer. And I was the one who was selling bikes as a job 
(pre-HC days).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride on NPR's Morning Edition May 18

[PATRICK MOORE]

Interesting; I see a trend away from real cyclist = racer and
doubtless this NPR piece is both a sign and will be an encouragement
of the trend.

Interesting, too: first, that Grant hasn't managed yet to shed all his
lowdown, racer-boy ways (I can sympathize, tho' I never raced formally
-- slow motion attack!); second that he gives $300 - $400 as the
minimum for a usable utility bike (I'd guess that this is true if you
don't commute more than, say, 2-3 miles each way; new bikes only, used
is cheating); and riding in your work clothes: can't see that for
rides over 2-3 miles. Me, summer, street shorts but jerseys (pockets,
trim fit and long tails), SPDs and shoes and the most important piece
of cycling kit ever developed, the cycling cap (blocks sun, wind and
mops up sweat).



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 Link is up, listening now:

 http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/05/18/152945439/bike-to-work-day-your-photos-and-riding-advice-from-grant-petersen

 (i think it's funny they describe him as long time bike shop owner ahahah.
  i think Grant is a bit more than that, just my .02)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I can't know her (or anyone else's!!!) motivation, desires, intention or 
financial situation, but it just seems that buying a good middle of the 
road do-everything versatile bike for a first adult bike is a good idea. 
Try it out in a bunch of different situations; club rides, commuting, CC 
touring, rough-stuff. Then find out what you really like and more 
importantly what you really are using it for. Then buy a bike that's a bit 
more specialized in that area. Either keep the original bike for a back up 
to the dedicated one, or sell it to subsidize the new one. Everyone's a 
winner!

I'd throw the Gunnar Sport for a MUSA brand and the Black Mountain Cycles 
Road as an indie brand into the mix as well.

Of course contrary to what *I *think is best, most people in this situation 
end up w/ a racey Tre-iant-alized. 


On Friday, May 18, 2012 6:28:34 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
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 The woman in question didn't buy a bike from me yet, but the Pacer, 
 Cross-check, and San Marcos were the three I showed her. Most of the 
 problem is not speed, but wanting to fit in with the clubby roadies she 
 imagines she'll ride with someday. And those guys have preached a different 
 sort of gospel about carbon being a magical substance that makes everything 
 about bike riding better. I used to ride my Atlantis with 50 mm Big Apples, 
 fenders, a rack, a grocery pannier, and flat pedals on a weekly ride like 
 that. At least half my conversations on those rides involved my companions 
 trying to sell me on the trappings of the faux-racer. And I was the one who 
 was selling bikes as a job (pre-HC days).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Bruce Herbitter]

A local riding buddy has a Riv'd out Surly Pacer and it is a dynamite bike.
Originally done in black it was just powder coated custard at Spectrum and
looks nice. Rides great too.  Maybe he'll post a picture.

Needs lugs though :)

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.comwrote:

 Jim,


 Others have suggested a Surly LHT. My thought is another: why not one of
 the new Surly Pacers, which are designed for standard reach brakes? It
 could be built up in a racy, weight-conscious way with a smart mix of
 Ritchey or FSA parts and a SRAM Apex or Rival gruppo


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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Buy the Pacer frame and build it up as a 650b. It's a super bike (700c
or 650b)!  I'm sure the Cross Check and Long Haul Trucker are great
bikes as well. I tell my friends to find one of those used on
Craigslist as a great starter bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I read the last issue of Momentum online after the Riv ad was linked.
Is it always available online for free?

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Robert F. Harrison]

Geez Allan. I don't recall you mentioning the strip clubs to me last week.
I ended up spending all my money at art museums and such. Sigh.

I did however ride around Portland a bit, several times. A bike ride is a
bike ride. :-)



On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Allan in Portland
allan_f...@aracnet.comwrote:

 Don't leave us hanging... did she opt for a relaxed fit 
 Surlyhttp://clevercycles.com/blog/2012/05/09/pimp-your-surly/to pull her 
 Burley?

 Also, I had a very similar experience, this week, in fact. In July a group
 of middle-aged women are coming down from Vancouver to do a ride. Their
 plan was the Willamette Valley the first half of the week and then out the
 Columbia River Gorge the second half. They are hiring me to shuttle them
 from Eugene to Portland mid-week and then The Dalles to Portland at the end
 of the week. While I try to keep route kibitzing to a minimum, their
 original plan was that I would take them from Eugene to about 40 miles west
 of Portland. This would allow them to get more miles in for their ride to
 The Dalles, which is east of Portland.

 I graciously explained their intended point 40 miles west of Portland
 wasn't going to offer much of anything different in scenery or terrain from
 the previous ~120 they did to get to Eugene, but that it would have them
 pedaling about 30 miles of suburban semi-sprawl as they come-and-go through
 Portland's outer bedroom communities. My suggestion was they use the day as
 an option day to allow people to split into smaller groups (there are 13 of
 them total) and sight-see around Portland-proper. They can hit coffee
 shops, restaurants, taco carts, dive bars, strip clubs, whatever is their
 fancy. And the racers can ride the Spring Water Trail or Marine Drive or
 both to get their miles in.
 In the end, I think it was the strip clubs that convinced them to take the
 rest day.

 It is a strange, though common occurrence that people come all the way out
 to Oregon to ride, but then do not spend any time riding around Portland
 because, hey, sight-seeing is junk miles.

 -Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Peter Morgano]

I think that part of the issue is racy weight conscious 25mm tire riders
probably aren't looking at rivendell or surly since they have aspirations
to be fast in the club.  I banish them to madone land,  hahaha.
Sometimes you can't have it all,  why not just 2 bikes that each serve a
purpose they were built for. There is enough room in even my tiny brooklyn
apt for two dedicated rigs,  but neither one is for racing,  I leave that
to the lance wanna bes out there in their team kit crouched over tiny
plastic bikes.
On May 17, 2012 10:52 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jim,

 As someone who straddles the line between Rivendellish sensibilities and
 club rider hammering, I can relate to the seemingly divergent desires of
 your customer. And I wonder whether there needs to be such a stark
 dichotomy drawn between a practical bike and one suitable for
 fitness-oriented clubby rides.

 Others have suggested a Surly LHT. My thought is another: why not one of
 the new Surly Pacers, which are designed for standard reach brakes? It
 could be built up in a racy, weight-conscious way with a smart mix of
 Ritchey or FSA parts and a SRAM Apex or Rival gruppo. A Burly could be
 affixed when necessary. And I'm blanking now, but aren't there pedals out
 there that have simultaneous clipless and regular shoe capabilities?

 Perhaps she could be outfitted with two wheelsets, one with some Jack
 Browns for Burly duties, the other with some sensible (to me) 25mm
 performance tires, such as Michelin Krylion or Panaracer Type-D.

 The only thing that might get in the way of a truly dual-purpose Pacer
 would be the rack, which would add unnecessary weight and drag when used
 for club rides.

 Sounds good to me. Wouldn't mind one myself!

 Aaron

 On Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:09:55 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:

 Just Ride was on my mind yesterday when I tried to help a woman decide on
 her first nice bike. She wants a sporty-ish bike for Burley-pulling and it
 would be nice if it had a rack. Easy enough. But she's also athletic and
 aspires to the racer archetype. I should add that she's the type of woman
 that most men would notice in any crowd, which means that various bike
 dudes have tried to help her with all sorts of advice. All the usual
 suspects were present: the necessity and efficiency of clipless pedals, the
 magical properties of carbon, and the (baffling-to-me) popularity of
 time-trial bikes, none of which are necessary, or even desirable, in a bike
 for daily errands and family rides. Anyway, she was clearly struggling with
 the perceived compromises between making a bike useful and making a bike
 fast (or at least light/expensive enough to impress the racer wannabe
 crowd). I thought to myself: this would be a lot easier if she could drop
 the racer notions and stop hanging out with guys who read Bicycling
 Magazine as a comprehensive source of cycling wisdom.

 On Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:15:32 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:

 Maybe there should be a spoiler alert here - be advised that I will be
 discussing various aspects of the new book, so navigate away from this page
 if you prefer the content of the book to be a complete surprise.

 I finished reading the book tonight, which if I can summarize in a line,
 is about all the good things about bikes that appear only when you toss
 racer prejudices and attitudes out the window and Just Ride. After the
 first few chapters, I thought that maybe the editors really sanitized GP's
 historically familiar against-the-grain opinions to be more blandly
 vanilla, hopefully to be appealing to a broader audience. The general
 content wasn't unpredictable to me, having read the Readers and Catalogs
 and most everything else Riv going back to 2004 when I wanted a touring
 bike and couldn't find any to buy except the Atlantis (that's how I first
 found Riv in the internet universe). But I was somewhat surprised that
 there was little to no discernible lug evangelism or quill stem absolutism
 or singing the praises of friction shifters, and the Retro-Grouchiness was
 held to a dull roar.

 But as I got further along in the book, I started to think that maybe Mr
 Petersen has simply mellowed about the trivial details over the years (I
 know I have!). Or maybe more accurately, there's less to be peeved about in
 the bike industry now than there was 10 years ago or even 5 years ago.
 After all, smart, sturdy bikes with ample tire clearance and useful
 braze-ons and some attention to classic, non-billboard aesthetics have
 become, dare I say, normal. If racing bikes and gear are the status quo in
 the world, then I must live in a lucky bubble in South Minneapolis where I
 ride and fix bikes every day, as I see lots of reincarnated 1980s
 sport-tourers, old steel MTBs, and new(ish) Surly Cross-checks and LHTs on
 a daily basis, but feel like I see relatively few road bikes being ridden
 by obvious faux-racers. To the extent that 

Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Brian Hanson]

The ride worked out well.  Grant had to leave for the airport by 7:30, so
we had to cut out the out and back to Golden Gardens, but the ride to the
locks, and back along both sides of the canal was really pleasant.  We
didn't have much foot traffic to contend with when crossing the locks, and
even got a short stretch of dirt along the railroad track in...

Brian

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Lawnsbyt tklawn...@comcast.net wrote:

 I'm so bummed I couldn't make it to see Grant last night, had to be at
 work and all.  How did the ride go?  Hope he enjoyed seeing that part
 of Seattle.

 On May 12, 6:31 am, Frank pguil...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm with Alex: go. It was a nice event in Seattle, a great way to
 support a
  local business (in our case Kathleen and Freerange Cycles), and a
 pleasure
  to hear Grant speak. His talk was, as you'd expect, low key, open, and
  appropriately opinionated, but sort of delivered at perfect pitch. Grant
  makes bikes get built and doesn't do book tour talks each day, but he's
  pretty good at both.
 
  Many of us on this list have learned more than we might realize over the
  years about un-racing ourselves, and that's the point of the book. I
 was
  struck by the notion that if I simply gave a copy of this book to anyone
  who, noticing that I ride a lot, and presuming some degree of correlative
  expertise, inevitably asks me for bicycling advice. Happens at least
 once a
  week.  If they started off with this book and nothing more, they'd find
  themselves well served. I ordered four more copies for just that reason
  this morning, and will keep one on the bike (you know, I have a place for
  it, being a guy who rides with bags and all) to give away when warranted,
  sort of like carrying an extra tube for someone who didn't.
 
  My 9-year old took my dog-eared copy into the fray and came out with an
  inscription that said George, I hope this gets you off to a good start.
  Grant. Seemed like the right thing to say.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Friday, May 11, 2012 10:56:06 PM UTC-7, Alex Moll wrote:
 
   Go - it was fun to hear him this evening in Seattle. Glad I went.
   Alex
 
   On May 11, 7:42 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
Received my copy of Just Ride via the brown pony a couple of hours
ago. So much good stuff. I liked the ending of chapter 19--Don't be
cheap and dead.
 
I also love the illustrations. I have a feeling it'll be a pretty big
seller at Powell's here in Portland for a few weeks. Nice that it
 came
out before summer. If it's really slow at work I may take an extended
lunch break and go down to Powell's to hear him. We'll see.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Mojo]

I am in the boonies of western Colorado so will not get to see the 
GGBT (great Grant book tour).
 
But I am enjoying the book. Being a Riv member since 1995 I have heard 
most (all?) of it before. But still what a great viewpoint of a simple fun 
semi-exercise. He describes all the negative things that racing has brought 
to cycling. He describes in detail the fun there is to be had for the 
Unracer. I have said in the recent past that I am no longer a cyclist, I 
am a bike rider. Now I know, I am an Unracer! 
 
Its a simple but well though out book that leaves me feeling good when I 
put it down. Oh and the mini-chapter format is perfect for pre-sleep 
reading or for reading material in the bathroom (forgive me for that 
please). I have already given one copy away to a friend.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Addison Wilhite]

I had a similar reaction that I wrote about here after the 2012 NAHBS:

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2012/03/reflections-on-north-american-http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2012/03/reflections-on-north-american-handmade.html
handmade.htmlhttp://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2012/03/reflections-on-north-american-handmade.html

Although I had certainly been thinking about it prior to this year...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[PATRICK MOORE]

Good points by Jim and Addison. Grant certainly was at the start of a
sea change over the last 10+ years in the bike industry -- I remember
when Rivendell was the only source (at least, the only one relatively
easy to find) for Brooks saddles and Carradice saddlebags and one of
the few voices promoting steel and friction shifting.

It's good to see photos of steel road bikes, too. That is one niche
that Rivendell has gradually moved away from, tho' they jumped back
quite a way with the Roadeo. By road bikes I mean the traditional
gofast bike meant for riding on pavement, much like the pre-crit stage
racer types commonly available up to the '80s, not all rounder types
like the Sam Hillborne. Those old racing bikes were wonderful bikes --
in my little mind, anyway, they overlap with the Japanese sports
tourers of the '80s, but my preference has always been for a
lightweight steel road bike with room for 28s and fenders, long stays
but quicker handling. I see in one of Addison's photos that Richard
Sachs makes even modern road components look almost pretty!

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Addison Wilhite
addisonwilh...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had a similar reaction that I wrote about here after the 2012 NAHBS:

 http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2012/03/reflections-on-north-american-
 handmade.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Tim McNamara]

On May 10, 2012, at 9:21 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 
 Good points by Jim and Addison. Grant certainly was at the start of a
 sea change over the last 10+ years in the bike industry

True enough although Grant's impact goes back to the B-stone days and it just 
took a while for the larger industry to catch up with the fact that he had 
found resonance with a decent sized section of cyclers.  I think that he has 
had a surprising impact on the bike industry over the years, given he runs a 
tiny bike business in a suburb of San Francisco.

In line with Just Ride and Jim's comments, check out the serendipitous Calvin 
 Hobbes for 5/10/12:

http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[PATRICK MOORE]

I bought a '92 XO-1 in 1993 and at that point became aware of
Bridgestone/Grant/the iconoclasm that became part of Rivendell. I
joined the BOB in 1993, got on the early Riv mailing list in 1994 and
ordered my first frame at the end of that year. I was pretty aware of
what was on the mainstream market -- mountain bikes and steel/aluminum
racing bikes plus some decent but wholly uninspired hybrids (the
original 4130 Crossroads Cruz wasn't bad for the price; I owned one).
There was far less imaginative and creative product development for
bikes that weren't mountain bikes where all the energy seemed to be
going -- remember the common complaint about the death of the road
bike market?

Moreover, people whose principal motive for buying a new bike is that
gas is too high don't drive the sort of creativity that we saw in
Addison's and others' photos and with Surley, Salsa, and all the
others I can't now remember, let alone Rivendell.

I really think Grant not only kept the flame alive but sparked new
fires among all those in the cycling world who got bored with high
travel suspension and lighter than ever racing bikes.

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Allan in Portland
allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote:

 On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:15:32 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:

 snip

 but that Grant gave voice to a backlash movement and opened a
 long-neglected market


 Hmm.  This isn't to take anything away from Grant, but I think Grant was
 more a keeper-of-the-flame than prophet or apostle. The distinction, to my
 mind, concerns causality. The precise stats get fuzzy for me, but the trends
 I remember well -- fuel consumption and miles driven in the US are below
 something like 10 years ago and on a per-capita basis it's even worse.
 Looking at motor vehicle travel one would think it's the recession of
 1980-82 all over again.

 So, have practical bikes come back into vogue because people have been
 converted to that _style of bike_, or has that style of bike come back into
 vogue because people are feeling a marked economic pinch (among a few other
 macro themes like environmental sustainability and diminishing to the point
 of negative returns of sprawl and now urban blow-back) and that _style of
 riding_ (ie. transportation) makes the practical bike vogue? I submit it is
 the latter.

 In simpler terms -- yes, absolutely Grant was country bike before country
 bike was cool. :-) But the country bike became cool not so much because of
 Grant (again not diminishing his impressive contributions), but because the
 environment had changed to make the country bike superior. Mammals over
 dinos if you will.

 Regards,
 -Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Bill Gibson]

ETA for my paper-copy Amazon pre-order is Fryday. Oops, shouldn't announce
that on the internets. Might attract Ninja cyclists...

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:11 PM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had no idea it was coming out on Kindle.  That is great news.


 On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 7:43:20 PM UTC-5, EricP wrote:

 Am going to wait on a hard copy until Grant is in Minneapolis at Hiawatha
 Cyclery on May 31st.  Pre-ordered the Kindle version, but that doesn't come
 out until next Tuesday.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:43:18 PM UTC-5, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote:

 In the spirit of the old threads tracking Rivendell Readers, my copy
 of Just Ride was just dropped off on my doorstep.




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